From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] A list…
Date: December 29, 2001 at 6:05:24 PM EST
To: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 05:55:08PM -0800], [Dana Beal] wrote:
| >We do have the footage but it will take a little while to get it edited and
| >copied. However we have the audio, which I will get sorted out for
| >distribution in te new year. It was great getting a chance to chat to you
| >properly ad I thought your presentation was fantastic.
| >
| >Keep in touch, and HAPPY CHRISTMAS
|
| I think I should at least get a review. A tape of the entire
| conference exists. –Dana/cnw
Yeah, I skimmed all of us into one paragraph (who said whut…),
next issue is more in depth this and that… Whut I need though are two
things… [1] THE TAPE! video and/or audio. and [2] PHOTOS… or just
the tape, I can pull the stills offa that.
This issue there wuz no time for anything. Nobody had any photos when I
asked this question (cept for bruce, who only takes money shots, and has
Nick sieg-heiling, and drug-treatment facilitators smoking pot in the back
of that restaurant. I figured neither would Help the Cause much…)
Patrick
so like: sumbody, anybody… tape… dvd… audio… photos…
multimedia materials… gimme, and I’ll make everybody look just
brilliant n’ shit… There is roughly 3 weeks of time for this, but 3
weeks will pass pretty fast…
From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] A list…
Date: December 29, 2001 at 8:55:08 PM EST
To: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
On [Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:21:12AM -0000], [Nick Sandberg] wrote:
| Hi A list,
|
| Be interesting to see what comes out of this list. Personally, I figure word
| propogation, as in getting the words “ibogaine” and/or “iboga” out into
| public consciousness, is a good strategy for 2002. Many people report
| strange insights and dreams simply from being exposed to the word, and thus
| name propogation does the drug’s work at this level and allows other layers
| of consciousness to do the rest.
|
| Qabalistic symbols related to iboga indicate Oct/Nov 2002 could be major. If
| the drug wants to make a major stage entrance via dream activity I figure
| it’s gonna be around then.
|
| best wishes to all
Actually, the reason this list exists is ‘cuz Jerry who was going to be at
the ibogaine conference, who was in fact “going dude!” 24 hours before I
left the States, did not show up, and instead of photographing everything
and making a writeup, he asked me to do that… Which might have stopped
a lesser person, but facts only get in the way of things, and I figured
filling up space with WORDS which were encouraging wouldn’t hurt. Hadda
work better than the truth, “uhm, I dunno dude. I slept until noon and
showed up at 1pm. I don’t got no photos, it’s a lil’ hard photgraphing
myself from 20 feet away.” However, I strongly suspect Nick gave an
excellent talk, so I just went ahead and wrote that; plus, also, I have
this FEELING that Brian and Roman talked about dosing people with
ibogaine, which sure works for that whole entire having a habit thing;
let’s just not ever discuss what happens to people afterwards, and
furthermore…
At 10:03 PM +0000 12/25/01, Hattie wrote:
I was wondering if you have video of my presentation at the conf. I’d
like to go over it with an eye to improvements. Hope all is going
well, best for the holidaze, etc.
dana/cnw
We do have the footage but it will take a little while to get it edited and
copied. However we have the audio, which I will get sorted out for
distribution in te new year. It was great getting a chance to chat to you
properly ad I thought your presentation was fantastic.
Keep in touch, and HAPPY CHRISTMAS
I think I should at least get a review. A tape of the entire
conference exists. –Dana/cnw
So anyway, I linked this, ‘cuz I cannot yet link the ibogaine list(s) (we
are now at 3. This “intranet” for people involved in the
promoting/acitivism/treatment, part of the ibogaine scenario; as Brian
pointed out very cogently in an email, which I didn’t quote, ‘cuz I’m not
sure he wanted on the list itself / an Ibogaine list for People who Have
Dosed and are Trying to Hold it Together… ‘cuz I have, whoah… a LOT
of these people, and I cannot answer questions one-by-one to 50 dudes n
dudettes, it’s a lot simpler for people who’ve been there/done that, to
talk amongst themselves / plus, also, a general ibogaine list, ‘cuz the
current one blows dead goats…)
^^^ Those’ll list out as forums. The problem of the minute is, all
content is non-html. It’s generated by WebObjects, and rendered
dynamically, so we gotta sort that out (how does someone link TO
something, which moves all the time and does not have static locale…
whatever, these are details).
Anyway. If anyone knows other people who should be added, lemme know I’ll
be happy to do that. I’d personally add Dave Hunter, ‘cuz he’s cool
people, and uhm, like whomever… Carl, the iboga.nl guy… anybody
DOING sumthin, not just talking shit… who want’s to be added.
Also, if anybody wants to be linked, the Links section will light up Any
Minute Now, and I’ll be more than happy to list, well, EVERYBODY, all the
main ibogaine sites, treatment sites, places to obtain materials….
etc… Whut I need if you want this, is a banner. Banners are just those
graphic things that fill up one of the rectangles on m1ndv0x. they’re
.jpg or .gif, 468×60.
I suspect that for the most part, it’ll be useful for interacting amongst
ourselves, and fielding 10-20 random letters from Crazy People seeking
materials and/or treatment. Either alla that, or no one will ever post to
it again. Either one’s okay.
To sumarize/recap: the above contains a lotta words, cuz I type 70wpm,
sadly, I have not yet drank 5 cups of coffee and there is limited
coherence interspersed amongst the words.
Laters, I am outta here. A (ool new year to all.
Patrick
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] A list…
Date: December 29, 2001 at 4:13:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:21:12AM -0000], [Nick Sandberg] wrote:
| Hi A list,
|
| Be interesting to see what comes out of this list. Personally, I figure word
| propogation, as in getting the words “ibogaine” and/or “iboga” out into
| public consciousness, is a good strategy for 2002. Many people report
| strange insights and dreams simply from being exposed to the word, and thus
| name propogation does the drug’s work at this level and allows other layers
| of consciousness to do the rest.
|
| Qabalistic symbols related to iboga indicate Oct/Nov 2002 could be major. If
| the drug wants to make a major stage entrance via dream activity I figure
| it’s gonna be around then.
|
| best wishes to all
Actually, the reason this list exists is ‘cuz Jerry who was going to be at
the ibogaine conference, who was in fact “going dude!” 24 hours before I
left the States, did not show up, and instead of photographing everything
and making a writeup, he asked me to do that… Which might have stopped
a lesser person, but facts only get in the way of things, and I figured
filling up space with WORDS which were encouraging wouldn’t hurt. Hadda
work better than the truth, “uhm, I dunno dude. I slept until noon and
showed up at 1pm. I don’t got no photos, it’s a lil’ hard photgraphing
myself from 20 feet away.” However, I strongly suspect Nick gave an
excellent talk, so I just went ahead and wrote that; plus, also, I have
this FEELING that Brian and Roman talked about dosing people with
ibogaine, which sure works for that whole entire having a habit thing;
let’s just not ever discuss what happens to people afterwards, and
furthermore…
So anyway, I linked this, ‘cuz I cannot yet link the ibogaine list(s) (we
are now at 3. This “intranet” for people involved in the
promoting/acitivism/treatment, part of the ibogaine scenario; as Brian
pointed out very cogently in an email, which I didn’t quote, ‘cuz I’m not
sure he wanted on the list itself / an Ibogaine list for People who Have
Dosed and are Trying to Hold it Together… ‘cuz I have, whoah… a LOT
of these people, and I cannot answer questions one-by-one to 50 dudes n
dudettes, it’s a lot simpler for people who’ve been there/done that, to
talk amongst themselves / plus, also, a general ibogaine list, ‘cuz the
current one blows dead goats…)
^^^ Those’ll list out as forums. The problem of the minute is, all
content is non-html. It’s generated by WebObjects, and rendered
dynamically, so we gotta sort that out (how does someone link TO
something, which moves all the time and does not have static locale…
whatever, these are details).
Anyway. If anyone knows other people who should be added, lemme know I’ll
be happy to do that. I’d personally add Dave Hunter, ‘cuz he’s cool
people, and uhm, like whomever… Carl, the iboga.nl guy… anybody
DOING sumthin, not just talking shit… who want’s to be added.
Also, if anybody wants to be linked, the Links section will light up Any
Minute Now, and I’ll be more than happy to list, well, EVERYBODY, all the
main ibogaine sites, treatment sites, places to obtain materials….
etc… Whut I need if you want this, is a banner. Banners are just those
graphic things that fill up one of the rectangles on m1ndv0x. they’re
.jpg or .gif, 468×60.
I suspect that for the most part, it’ll be useful for interacting amongst
ourselves, and fielding 10-20 random letters from Crazy People seeking
materials and/or treatment. Either alla that, or no one will ever post to
it again. Either one’s okay.
To sumarize/recap: the above contains a lotta words, cuz I type 70wpm,
sadly, I have not yet drank 5 cups of coffee and there is limited
coherence interspersed amongst the words.
Laters, I am outta here. A (ool new year to all.
Patrick
From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick.sandberg@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] A list…
Date: December 29, 2001 at 5:21:12 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: “Nick Sandberg” <nick.sandberg@btinternet.com>
Hi A list,
Be interesting to see what comes out of this list. Personally, I figure word
propogation, as in getting the words “ibogaine” and/or “iboga” out into
public consciousness, is a good strategy for 2002. Many people report
strange insights and dreams simply from being exposed to the word, and thus
name propogation does the drug’s work at this level and allows other layers
of consciousness to do the rest.
Qabalistic symbols related to iboga indicate Oct/Nov 2002 could be major. If
the drug wants to make a major stage entrance via dream activity I figure
it’s gonna be around then.
best wishes to all
Nick
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] A list…
Date: December 28, 2001 at 4:50:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
This list exists ‘cuz basically, I just published it in the nExt thing
that’s gonna emit outta Heroin Times, and will dump it in a few other
places as well.
You are on this list, ‘cuz it’s The List to send mail to everyone who
spoke at, or organized, the London Ibogaine Conference…
The only people on it are:
nick.sandberg@btinternet.com
patricius@volny.cz
chris@schmoo.co.uk
dana@cures-not-wars.org
ibo_ka@yahoo.com
mallendi@voila.fr
jpp71@hotmail.com
laurentsazy@free.fr
epoptica@freeuk.com
roman.paskulin@siol.net
Iboga@guest.arnes.si
Some people did not speak, or show up, but they’re here anyway, because at
one time or another, they were planning to, and Nick cc’d them into the
correspondence. Marko is here just because Marko should be here.
This isn’t an open-access list, people cannot subscribe to it, it doesn’t
archive anything, send digests, or set reply-to: Meaning if you wanna
mail to it, you need to send: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Any Minute Now (realtime 2-4 weeks), we’re hooking up an ibogaine forum on
MindVox, which’ll be exported to the web, and anybody that wants can
subscribe to it.
This is NOT that. This is just a mail reflector that sends to everybody
who was present at the conference and Marko (‘cuz, he’s speshul).
If you wish to be removed, please tell me. / [digital@phantom.com]
Mucho gracias,
Patrick
