Ibogaine List Archives – 2006-03

From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Opiates
Date: March 31, 2006 at 11:09:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Nick,

I’ve been having some strangeness with my ibogaine posts, so just in case you didn’t get my letter–which I don’t have the patience to re-write in its entirety–but here’s the real reason opiates produce pleasure, which has nothing to do with ‘repressed emotions’–although opiates, by causing euphoria, can be said to be mood enhancers. The following is from a medical site, written by an actual Doctor who studies such things:

HOW DRUGS AFFECT NEUROTRANSMITTERS

Dopamine appeared very early in the course of evolution and is involved in many functions that are essential for survival of the organism, such as motricity, attentiveness, motivation, learning, and memorization. But most of all, dopamine is a key element in identifying natural rewards for the organism. These natural stimuli such as food and water cause individuals to engage in approach behaviours. Dopamine is also involved in unconscious memorization of signs associated with these rewards. 

It has now been established that all substances that trigger dependencies in human beings increase the release of a neuromediator, dopamine, in a specific area of the brain: the nucleus accumbens. 

But not all drugs increase dopamine levels in the brain in the same way.
• Some substances imitate natural neuromediators and take their place on their receptors. Morphine, for example, binds to the receptors for endorphin (a natural “morphine” produced by the brain), while nicotine binds to the receptors for acetylcholine.
• Other substances increase the secretion of natural neuromediators. Cocaine, for example, mainly increases the amount of dopamine in the synapses, while ecstasy mainly increases the amount of serotonin.
• Still other substances block a natural neuromediator. Alcohol, for example, blocks the NMDA receptors.
Click on the names of each of the following drugs to read about how they work and what effects they have.
Alcohol —– Opiates (heroin, morphine, etc.) —– Cocaןne —– Nicotine
Caffeine —– Amphetamines —– Cannabis —– Ecstasy —– Benzodiazepines


Opiates (heroin, morphine, etc.)
The human body naturally produces its own opiate-like substances and uses them as neurotransmitters. These substances include endorphins, enkephalins, and dynorphin, often collectively known as endogenous opioids. Endogenous opioids modulate our reactions to painful stimuli. They also regulate vital functions such as hunger and thirst and are involved in mood control, immune response, and other processes. 

The reason that opiates such as heroin and morphine affect us so powerfully is that these exogenous substances bind to the same receptors as our endogenous opioids. There are three kinds of receptors widely distributed throughout the brain: mu, delta, and kappa receptors. 

These receptors, through second messengers, influence the likelihood that ion channels will open, which in certain cases reduces the excitability of neurons. This reduced excitability is the likely source of the euphoric effect of opiates and appears to be mediated by the mu and delta receptors. 

This euphoric effect also appears to involve another mechanism in which the GABA-inhibitory interneurons of the ventral tegmental area come into play. By attaching to their mu receptors, exogenous opioids reduce the amount of GABA released (see animation). Normally, GABA reduces the amount of dopamine released in the nucleus accumbens. By inhibiting this inhibitor, the opiates ultimately increase the amount of dopamine produced and the amount of pleasure felt. 

Chronic consumption of opiates inhibits the production of cAMP, but this inhibition is offset in the long run by other cAMP production mechanisms. When no opiates are available, this increased cAMP production capacity comes to the fore and results in neural hyperactivity and the sensation of craving the drug.
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From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] US Embassy recommends coca tea…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 6:36:17 AM EST
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Coca-cola is still the worlds largest consumer of coca leaves.  Granted they use denatured leaves and sell the cocaine derived from them to pharmaceutical companies but they still use the leaves in their “soft drink”.

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=51732
Published: Sunday, March 26, 2006
Bylined to: Niko Kyriakou
US embassy in Bolivia recommends coca tea to help alleviate altitude
sickness
The (Caracas) Daily Journal (Niko Kyriakou): The war against coca … the
plant used to make cocaine … has become a defining issue for U.S. policy
in South America, yet many people outside South America know little about
the plant the US. is fighting against.
In a meeting with newly elected Bolivian President Evo Morales earlier this
month, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sought renewed cooperation
between the two countries to counter drug trafficking, but it was the coca
leaf that captured headlines.
Morales, a former coca farmer who calls himself pro-coca but anti-cocaine,
ended his half-hour meeting with Rice by giving her a guitar decorated with
real coca leaves sealed under lacquer.
While the gesture bears a mark of humor, in the context of Morales’ wider
stance on coca, the message seems designed to point out the importance of
the plant to South American culture, and not — as it is often perceived in
the United States — to illicit markets.
Morales still serves as head of the coca farmers’ union that lifted him to
power. He has increased the allowed level of coca cultivation to about 1,600
square meters per family since taking office last December. At his inaugural
dinner, Morales served coca wine, coca cake, and coca cookies.
In Bolivia’s Andean neighbor Peru, presidential candidate and retired Lt.
Col. Ollanta Humala announced in mid-March that if the left-wing Humala wins
Peru’s presidency in April, he plans to serve poor children bread made from
flour containing five percent coca.
While coca gains top-level approval in various parts of Latin America, in
the US coca remains taboo. If a US politician were to suggest giving
children coca it would be seen not just as political suicide, but as a
criminal act.
And that difference in perspective reflects a vast gap between US and South
American experience of a substance with a known history stretching back long
before Christopher Columbus’s landfall, times when the Incas controlled much
of the continent.
For thousands of years, coca has been a rich source of nutrients for poor
South Americans.
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Read Complete Article at Above URL

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: WWF featuring Preston n Nick.
Date: March 31, 2006 at 5:59:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was right! You truly are funny! And oh how that is needed in this so serious business! Though I have to admit that I launched another attack myself…it just seems to be taking a long time to register. Nick will not be happy! rotf and lol!

 

From:  Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] Re: WWF featuring Preston n Nick.
Date:  Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:54:03 +1200
>Um, what Round is this??? I’ve lost count………
>”round n round the therapy bush, the therapy bush….”
>(cant remember the words…..)
>Carry on, generalmen.
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: WWF featuring Preston n Nick.
Date: March 31, 2006 at 4:54:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, what Round is this??? I’ve lost count………
“round n round the therapy bush, the therapy bush….”
(cant remember the words…..)
Carry on, generalmen.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 3:27:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Addicts are no different from anybody else. But suddenly this is the moment for them to be “different”, when the pressure is on a little suddenly it’s “I don’t have to listen to you because you’re not ‘like me.'” I mean, shit, did you ever hear such a manipulative load of old bollocks in your life? I’d be embarrassed to come out with that crap.<

Why is it non-addicts seem to so often come out with this total canard “oh, that darned druggie/junkie is being manipulative”? Talk about complete and utter bullshit, particularly in this case.
Hasn’t a single thing to do with the question. It appears to me that you don’t know much about, much less about dealing with “the human condition” period, hence your willingly locking yourself into a tc; using “abusive” and “theraputic” in the same sentence as though they fit together; “yelling at others is healing for me” (what a selfish outlook on life it seems to me).
Sigh.

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“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
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—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 23:56
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh?
Hey Alan,
I believe that if you see someone you care about doing shit you don’t think is good for them then you should call them on it, yes. Is this what you mean?
And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language.
It attracts attention.
I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference.
I’m not a drug addict and I never have been. I work as a therapist assisting with Humaniversity therapy groups here at the Leela Centre where I live and in Holland at the Humaniversity. Leela is not a TC, does not primarily deal with addiction issues, Humaniversity is. This is my experiential background. However, if you care to actually read what I am saying, as opposed to simply reacting, you will see that this has little to do with anything of it.
If you do not like what I write, then why not simply say so? You want to engage in discussion, then you imply that somehow, because I’m not an addict, I don’t know anything about the human condition as it is for addicts. That’s just bollocks. Addicts are no different from anybody else. But suddenly this is the moment for them to be “different”, when the pressure is on a little suddenly it’s “I don’t have to listen to you because you’re not ‘like me.'” I mean, shit, did you ever hear such a manipulative load of old bollocks in your life? I’d be embarrassed to come out with that crap.
I do not see addicts as addicts first but as people first, with addiction issues.

Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!. Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!
Opiates I don’t take and have only taken a little in my life. Opiate is an analgesic, it stops you feeling. If you experience bliss from an analgesic it is because your body is struggling to hold down a lot of feelings your ego has decided it doesn’t want to have. I don’t see another reason for it, happy to hear one if you have it. And I’m not just being a judgmental mf. It can happen to anyone. If your ego orientation is strongly away from feeling, you want to look cool, but you actually have a lot of feelings then opiates will give bliss for sure. Some people need opiates just to keep feelings down enough to function. It’s common.
Nick

 

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
process.<

LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
“therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a
“fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas
about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for
“junkies”?
Peace and love.
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
stigma and methadone

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP
is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the
latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you
feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying
to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m
saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor
baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in
the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the
place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever.
This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen
are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic
pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it
that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with
the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to
be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen
experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased
awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most
this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
stigma and methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang
terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those
terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not
scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical
journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language.
Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic
programing.
Saludos
Alberto

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT-quakes in Iran
Date: March 31, 2006 at 3:27:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anyone heard from pascal? I am kind of worried about him and his family.
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Tired
Date: March 31, 2006 at 1:59:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Bill, Welcome to the list.
Can you please share more about yourself…how old you are, location, drugs of choice, previous attempts at a clean way of life,etc., etc……..
Hope to hear more about you! So far, it sounds like you have found something that might change your life!!
Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] encounter
Date: March 31, 2006 at 3:38:51 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When I first did it, I was so scared, then afterwards so liberated I was an instant convert<

The word “cult” comes leaping to mind.

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Peace and love.
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—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] encounter

 

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 31 March 2006 17:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

 

In a message dated 3/31/06 9:12:06 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 18:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Nick,

It is not a matter of resolving addiction.  It is a matter of respect,  Yes brain washing and torture work. There is also the adage, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just think people should be treated decently and that is more important than whether they are using drugs or not.  Just to be clear, though you did not say it, I don’t consider myself a mindy academic.  I’ve been in the trenches.

Howard

Howard,

I do not regard you as a mindy academic. I also don’t regard you as above misunderstanding, or getting caught in reaction. I would appreciate it if you could explain to me just how brain-washing and torture relate to encounter therapy? I have not stated or inferred that I don’t think people should be treated without respect, simply that there are two sides to the coin, with the positive there also comes the negative – What I like about you is…..; What I don’t like about you is… This is how it goes, share both sides. That is what I’m saying. With the whole pc trip, there’s a danger you start to use only one side. And this doesn’t usually work.

I have to say that it seems to me that even discussing encounter therapy trips so many people out they are just reacting all over the place. Perhaps there is another explanation or I am wrong.

 

Hi Nick,

In my opinion encounter therapy is brain washing and torture in that it uses actions that will cause discomfort and pain in an attempt to change behavior. While verbal abuse is not the cutting off of a finger it is painful.  I will acknowledge that there are matters of degree but that encounter therapy and torture are similar in concept.

Howard

 

Hi Howard,

The intention of encounter is not to change behaviour but to release judgments and come closer to people. There maybe behavioural changes as a result but this is not the focus of the intention. Thus I couldn’t see it as brainwashing. Using affirmations or NLP, perhaps, both great therapeutic techniques, I would agree could be termed “brainwashing” as both are direct attempts to change thinking and behaviour.

With encounter you simply sit down and make public, face-to-face, judgments you have about people, positive and negative. Usually negative first, then emotional release, then positive. When I first did it, I was so scared, then afterwards so liberated I was an instant convert. I mean, to no longer have to live with a load of mindfucks about what other people might think about you, I find it such a freedom. I spent a long time being busy with “what if…..this” or “what if….that.” Then my mind no longer needed to bother with that stuff. I’m not an expert but I couldn’t really see much residential rehab or TC working without a decent sized element of encounter. And for anyone with fears around judging or being judged then encounter is really an absolute must.

Nick

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] hello list…
Date: March 31, 2006 at 1:56:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

good vibes coming your way right NOW!! also said a little prayer! that never hurts, huh?
asking for blessings on you too Mark, bless all who help us addicts try to better ourselves!
good vibes to all!
callie

 

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] encounter
Date: March 31, 2006 at 12:18:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 31 March 2006 17:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

In a message dated 3/31/06 9:12:06 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 18:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Nick,

It is not a matter of resolving addiction.  It is a matter of respect,  Yes brain washing and torture work. There is also the adage, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just think people should be treated decently and that is more important than whether they are using drugs or not.  Just to be clear, though you did not say it, I don’t consider myself a mindy academic.  I’ve been in the trenches.

Howard

Howard,

I do not regard you as a mindy academic. I also don’t regard you as above misunderstanding, or getting caught in reaction. I would appreciate it if you could explain to me just how brain-washing and torture relate to encounter therapy? I have not stated or inferred that I don’t think people should be treated without respect, simply that there are two sides to the coin, with the positive there also comes the negative – What I like about you is…..; What I don’t like about you is… This is how it goes, share both sides. That is what I’m saying. With the whole pc trip, there’s a danger you start to use only one side. And this doesn’t usually work.

I have to say that it seems to me that even discussing encounter therapy trips so many people out they are just reacting all over the place. Perhaps there is another explanation or I am wrong.

Hi Nick,

In my opinion encounter therapy is brain washing and torture in that it uses actions that will cause discomfort and pain in an attempt to change behavior. While verbal abuse is not the cutting off of a finger it is painful.  I will acknowledge that there are matters of degree but that encounter therapy and torture are similar in concept.

Howard

Hi Howard,

The intention of encounter is not to change behaviour but to release judgments and come closer to people. There maybe behavioural changes as a result but this is not the focus of the intention. Thus I couldn’t see it as brainwashing. Using affirmations or NLP, perhaps, both great therapeutic techniques, I would agree could be termed “brainwashing” as both are direct attempts to change thinking and behaviour.

With encounter you simply sit down and make public, face-to-face, judgments you have about people, positive and negative. Usually negative first, then emotional release, then positive. When I first did it, I was so scared, then afterwards so liberated I was an instant convert. I mean, to no longer have to live with a load of mindfucks about what other people might think about you, I find it such a freedom. I spent a long time being busy with “what if…..this” or “what if….that.” Then my mind no longer needed to bother with that stuff. I’m not an expert but I couldn’t really see much residential rehab or TC working without a decent sized element of encounter. And for anyone with fears around judging or being judged then encounter is really an absolute must.

Nick

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 11:35:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/31/06 9:12:06 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 18:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Nick,

It is not a matter of resolving addiction.  It is a matter of respect,  Yes brain washing and torture work. There is also the adage, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just think people should be treated decently and that is more important than whether they are using drugs or not.  Just to be clear, though you did not say it, I don’t consider myself a mindy academic.  I’ve been in the trenches.

Howard

Howard,

I do not regard you as a mindy academic. I also don’t regard you as above misunderstanding, or getting caught in reaction. I would appreciate it if you could explain to me just how brain-washing and torture relate to encounter therapy? I have not stated or inferred that I don’t think people should be treated without respect, simply that there are two sides to the coin, with the positive there also comes the negative – What I like about you is…..; What I don’t like about you is… This is how it goes, share both sides. That is what I’m saying. With the whole pc trip, there’s a danger you start to use only one side. And this doesn’t usually work.

I have to say that it seems to me that even discussing encounter therapy trips so many people out they are just reacting all over the place. Perhaps there is another explanation or I am wrong.

Hi Nick,

In my opinion encounter therapy is brain washing and torture in that it uses actions that will cause discomfort and pain in an attempt to change behavior. While verbal abuse is not the cutting off of a finger it is painful.  I will acknowledge that there are matters of degree but that encounter therapy and torture are similar in concept.

Howard

 

 

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 10:22:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How’s this for abusive, you bunch of bickering ninnies?!?!?!

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 23:56
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh?
Hey Alan,
I believe that if you see someone you care about doing shit you don’t think is good for them then you should call them on it, yes. Is this what you mean?
And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language.
It attracts attention.
I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference.
I’m not a drug addict and I never have been. I work as a therapist assisting with Humaniversity therapy groups here at the Leela Centre where I live and in Holland at the Humaniversity. Leela is not a TC, does not primarily deal with addiction issues, Humaniversity is. This is my experiential background. However, if you care to actually read what I am saying, as opposed to simply reacting, you will see that this has little to do with anything of it.
If you do not like what I write, then why not simply say so? You want to engage in discussion, then you imply that somehow, because I’m not an addict, I don’t know anything about the human condition as it is for addicts. That’s just bollocks. Addicts are no different from anybody else. But suddenly this is the moment for them to be “different”, when the pressure is on a little suddenly it’s “I don’t have to listen to you because you’re not ‘like me.'” I mean, shit, did you ever hear such a manipulative load of old bollocks in your life? I’d be embarrassed to come out with that crap.
I do not see addicts as addicts first but as people first, with addiction issues.

Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!
Opiates I don’t take and have only taken a little in my life. Opiate is an analgesic, it stops you feeling. If you experience bliss from an analgesic it is because your body is struggling to hold down a lot of feelings your ego has decided it doesn’t want to have. I don’t see another reason for it, happy to hear one if you have it. And I’m not just being a judgmental mf. It can happen to anyone. If your ego orientation is strongly away from feeling, you want to look cool, but you actually have a lot of feelings then opiates will give bliss for sure. Some people need opiates just to keep feelings down enough to function. It’s common.
Nick
From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever.
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen
>are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language.
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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Subject: [Ibogaine] hello list…
Date: March 31, 2006 at 10:17:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 9:17:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,

Sure we’ve been through this before, on at least several occasions, but I’m
happy to do it again. Here we go, once and for all, I HAVE NEVER BEEN A DRUG
ADDICT. Never ever ever ever. Ok, that’s it. This now means that if ever I
should say or write something that you don’t like, you don’t have to listen
to it. Ever! Is this good for you?

Addiction to an analgesic means you don’t like to feel, or you’re just so
overloaded with feelings you can’t function. It does not, imo, opinion
separate you from the rest of the human race, most of whom suffer from a
similar problem but have just learned different (not better) ways of dealing
with it. Though there’s more social stigma with addiction, that’s for sure.

Nick

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 19:36
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
and methadone

I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
process.<

LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
“therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a “fucking
junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas about
what serves
“junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for “junkies”?
Peace and love.
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and
methadone

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real.
NLP is fine
and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter
you can use
more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting
that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo
fuckwit you’re
in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for
abusive language
in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to
watch a little
the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the
easiest thing
in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them
the place
where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This
is what I
see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen are
trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
is, to me, a
few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic pronouncements without
awareness or experience. It’s this side of it that I also bring up. You
cannot so easily resolve addiction with the higher mind, imo. It’s more
reptilian brain stuff. There need to be deep rooted changes at
this level.
Stuff needs to happen experientially – maturation, resolution of
conflict,
increased awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy –
for most
this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and
methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The
slang terms
are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are
judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
difficult. On top
of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate.
We would
not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have
to promote
the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called
neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 9:04:31 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 18:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Nick,

It is not a matter of resolving addiction.  It is a matter of respect,  Yes brain washing and torture work. There is also the adage, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just think people should be treated decently and that is more important than whether they are using drugs or not.  Just to be clear, though you did not say it, I don’t consider myself a mindy academic.  I’ve been in the trenches.

Howard

Howard,

I do not regard you as a mindy academic. I also don’t regard you as above misunderstanding, or getting caught in reaction. I would appreciate it if you could explain to me just how brain-washing and torture relate to encounter therapy? I have not stated or inferred that I don’t think people should be treated without respect, simply that there are two sides to the coin, with the positive there also comes the negative – What I like about you is…..; What I don’t like about you is… This is how it goes, share both sides. That is what I’m saying. With the whole pc trip, there’s a danger you start to use only one side. And this doesn’t usually work.

I have to say that it seems to me that even discussing encounter therapy trips so many people out they are just reacting all over the place. Perhaps there is another explanation or I am wrong.

Nick
In a message dated 3/30/06 8:21:08 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto

 

 

 

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the term junky
Date: March 31, 2006 at 9:06:32 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Bookaye

I dont see a reason for this hubub.  To me the term junky adequetly describes  people who dont care about anything but their next fix.  These are people who will shake your hand with their right hand and stab you with their left. This doesnt have anything to do with prohabition or the war on drugs.  I belive that if opiates were regulated and legal we would still have a high number of people living on skid row, existing just to get high.  Naturaly you can not label every heroin addict a junky since some managed to retain their human traits.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 8:24:55 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Callie,

Yes, the strongest thing is when the peers get involved. This is the most confrontational, whether you’ve been into drugs or not, when you experience the people you identify with pulling you up on your behaviour. That is why it is so good when former addicts become drug rehab therapists. They are the best.

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: 31 March 2006 06:22
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

This entire discussion is/has been very interesting and thought provoking.
Don’t know if I have ever mentioned this but I worked in the addiction field about 10 years before I ever admitted I was an addict/junkie, whatever you want to label me.
The first treatment setting was the ‘Care Unit’ back in the 80’s. It was hospital based and patients were treated respectfully and labeled and called addicts, alcoholics. It was 12 step based and ‘group therapy’ with addiction psychologist was confrontational using each persons prior actions (fuck ups) as the basis for the confrontation.
The success rate of patients followed up in one year were that about 15 % remained clean and sober for the first year.
I then worked for a treatment center Buffalo Valley. It was state funded. Patients were alcoholic and addicts. It was non medical. Patients were required to be drug and alcohol free for 72 hours prior to admission. Therapy was 12 step based. Group therapy was very confrontational and was lead by recovering staff members and patients instead of an addiction psychologist. Patients prior actions (fuck ups) were used as basis of confrontation just as before at Care Unit.
The big difference here is that peers and recovering staff did the confronting and was accepted more than it was by the psychologist, non recovering psychologist.
The success rate of this treatment center after a year was double the Care Unit….33%.
I think the reason for this is that peers did the confronting and labeling. The term junky was used freely but only by those who also considered themselves junkies.
Does this make sense to y’all?
Of course the patients at the hospital based Care Unit were ‘high bottom’ drunks and addicts. They had insurance to cover their treatment, meaning most still had employment. The patients at state facility were on their own…..’low bottom’ addicts and alcoholics, well seasoned to the consequences of their behaviors.
I really hope you all can get what I am saying. I used to be a lot more eloquent in my descriptions. A result of many years using and abusing!
Callie

 

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 8:42:39 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 23:56
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh?
Hey Alan,
I believe that if you see someone you care about doing shit you don’t think is good for them then you should call them on it, yes. Is this what you mean?
And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language.
It attracts attention.
I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference.
I’m not a drug addict and I never have been. I work as a therapist assisting with Humaniversity therapy groups here at the Leela Centre where I live and in Holland at the Humaniversity. Leela is not a TC, does not primarily deal with addiction issues, Humaniversity is. This is my experiential background. However, if you care to actually read what I am saying, as opposed to simply reacting, you will see that this has little to do with anything of it.
If you do not like what I write, then why not simply say so? You want to engage in discussion, then you imply that somehow, because I’m not an addict, I don’t know anything about the human condition as it is for addicts. That’s just bollocks. Addicts are no different from anybody else. But suddenly this is the moment for them to be “different”, when the pressure is on a little suddenly it’s “I don’t have to listen to you because you’re not ‘like me.'” I mean, shit, did you ever hear such a manipulative load of old bollocks in your life? I’d be embarrassed to come out with that crap.
I do not see addicts as addicts first but as people first, with addiction issues.

Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!
Opiates I don’t take and have only taken a little in my life. Opiate is an analgesic, it stops you feeling. If you experience bliss from an analgesic it is because your body is struggling to hold down a lot of feelings your ego has decided it doesn’t want to have. I don’t see another reason for it, happy to hear one if you have it. And I’m not just being a judgmental mf. It can happen to anyone. If your ego orientation is strongly away from feeling, you want to look cool, but you actually have a lot of feelings then opiates will give bliss for sure. Some people need opiates just to keep feelings down enough to function. It’s common.
Nick
From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever.
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen
>are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language.
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Tired
Date: March 31, 2006 at 1:38:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello guess what. I have just discovered that if you just drill a small hole in the back left side of your head and let some of the pressure of this world run out , then everything is O.K.
Well aside from the ride to the Emergency, everything is going to be Alright. Well in my opinion anyways, the Doctors say that I can’t have my carries anymore but, Maybe I don;t need them now.
Only time will tell I guess.

Oh no I have just noticed it is only March 31st. April fools day is tomorrow.

Have a good day Peoples of Understanding.

I have just been reading for a couple of days seeing as how I really was not up to much Because , Well I didn’t(nor would I) drill a whole in my head, but When you (I) overdrink and then go without and then do it all over again and keep somehow doing the same thing over aand over and — .
It will be different next week, 2 witness prior to my carries.
Hey wheres that magic wand,?

Ibogaine, Can somebody talk more on the program – I know the first thing is to be serious, well I am more than serious, if you knew who sleeps in my home you could see how serious I really am, I just cannot seem to be trusted with myself medicating.(to proud to tell the doc and then there is who else? Your It.

God Bless this place and you
Bill

P.S.Please Keep an open mind, be kind, Its Free and remember that if I do not write so good or ?? that is cause this be my 1st experiance talking, and even this is scary.

 

Hey again Kirsty—

You’re funny. I think you’re one of the ones I’m going to like on this list.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:43:34 +1200

 

 

 

 

 

Alan, Meet Nick.

 

 

 

From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 10:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

 

 

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh? And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language. I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference. Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would
eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!

 

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually
answered my question- have you ever been a
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey
Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever.
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen
>are
trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on

>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language.
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 12:22:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This entire discussion is/has been very interesting and thought provoking.
Don’t know if I have ever mentioned this but I worked in the addiction field about 10 years before I ever admitted I was an addict/junkie, whatever you want to label me.
The first treatment setting was the ‘Care Unit’ back in the 80’s. It was hospital based and patients were treated respectfully and labeled and called addicts, alcoholics. It was 12 step based and ‘group therapy’ with addiction psychologist was confrontational using each persons prior actions (fuck ups) as the basis for the confrontation.
The success rate of patients followed up in one year were that about 15 % remained clean and sober for the first year.
I then worked for a treatment center Buffalo Valley. It was state funded. Patients were alcoholic and addicts. It was non medical. Patients were required to be drug and alcohol free for 72 hours prior to admission. Therapy was 12 step based. Group therapy was very confrontational and was lead by recovering staff members and patients instead of an addiction psychologist. Patients prior actions (fuck ups) were used as basis of confrontation just as before at Care Unit.
The big difference here is that peers and recovering staff did the confronting and was accepted more than it was by the psychologist, non recovering psychologist.
The success rate of this treatment center after a year was double the Care Unit….33%.
I think the reason for this is that peers did the confronting and labeling. The term junky was used freely but only by those who also considered themselves junkies.
Does this make sense to y’all?
Of course the patients at the hospital based Care Unit were ‘high bottom’ drunks and addicts. They had insurance to cover their treatment, meaning most still had employment. The patients at state facility were on their own…..’low bottom’ addicts and alcoholics, well seasoned to the consequences of their behaviors.
I really hope you all can get what I am saying. I used to be a lot more eloquent in my descriptions. A result of many years using and abusing!
Callie

 

From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 31, 2006 at 12:25:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey again Kirsty—
You’re funny. I think you’re one of the ones I’m going to like on this list.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:43:34 +1200

Alan, Meet Nick.
From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 10:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh? And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language. I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference. Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic 
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and 
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a 
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas 
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for 
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on 
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP 
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the 
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you 
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying 
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m 
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic 
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor 
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in 
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the 
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. 
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen 
>are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that 
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic 
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it 
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with 
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to 
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen 
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased 
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most 
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on 
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang 
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those 
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more 
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not 
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical 
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. 
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic 
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 10:43:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Alan, Meet Nick.
From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 10:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh? And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language. I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference. Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic 
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and 
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a 
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas 
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for 
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on 
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP 
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the 
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you 
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying 
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m 
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic 
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor 
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in 
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the 
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. 
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen 
>are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that 
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic 
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it 
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with 
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to 
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen 
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased 
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most 
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on 
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang 
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those 
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more 
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not 
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical 
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. 
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic 
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 5:55:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey everyone. Nick, what is your deal? I bet you subscribe to that whole “tough love” theory too, eh? And how, pray tell, is abusive language going to make a difference on the “supposed” reptilian brain, since that part of the brain –the reptilian part–is much older than the part that deals with language. I wonder if you’re not just trying to stir up controversy. And why don’t you answer Preston’s question as to whether you’ve ever been an addict, or experienced  withdrawal, or–especially–the stigma that comes with using or abusing any drugs–and in the minds of many, there is no difference. Well, there certainly is, I can tell you that. Through-out my life I’ve experimented with many drugs, for varying lengths of time…and always, I would eventually tire of whatever chemical I was using (with the exception of marijuana, which I view as a medicine and sacrament..although even my use of this has been prevented by the worms who have nothing better to do than tell others what THEY can and cannot do) and leave it behind. The same would be true of my use of opiates, were it not for my inability to withstand the withdrawal…and let me tell you, NO ONE CAN POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND EITHER THE BLISS OF POWERFUL OPIATES, OR THE HELL WITHDRAWALING FROM THEM!.  Personally, I’m tired of this whole subject; if you truly are an addict, I’m sure you can find someone to abuse you night and day with offensive language. Let me know when it starts to work. I don’t mean to be rude, but addicts–a term that I hate–go thru enough abuse without any extra. Peace!

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:36:13 -0500
>>I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>>process.<
>
>LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and
>”therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
>You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a
>”fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas
>about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for
>”junkies”?
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hey Alberto,
>
>It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP
>is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the
>latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you
>feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying
>to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m
>saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic
>process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor
>baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in
>the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the
>place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever.
>This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.
>
>Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen
>are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that
>is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic
>pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it
>that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with
>the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to
>be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen
>experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased
>awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most
>this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.
>
>Nick
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
>Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hola:
>Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang
>terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those
>terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more
>difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not
>scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical
>journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language.
>Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic
>programing.
>Saludos
>Alberto
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 1:36:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process.<

LOL, somehow I’m having a LOT of trouble equating “abusive” and “therapeutic” in any process whatsoever Nick.
You never actually answered my question- have you ever been a “fucking junkie” Nick, or are you merely projecting your own ideas about what serves “junkies” best and what is most “therapeutic” for “junkies”?
Peace and love.
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 2:20:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t think treating anybody with a “poor you” attitude is helpful, addict or no addict it just keeps people in a victim state.  Abuse is just that, abuse lol.
Aint that right you fucking winjing fucking pom???? (;o))))))))))))))
Hugs n kisses n touchy feely crap
Oi fucking oi, Liverpool Kisses ALL ROUND

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT: amazingly gorgeous, out of this world….
Date: March 30, 2006 at 2:07:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cheers Lisa, I love fractals really awesome these ones though I must say!!!!!
Hope all is good wit cha!!!
Kirk J
From: Tiger Lisa [mailto:tigerlisa@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2006 12:13 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT: amazingly gorgeous, out of this world….

Three-D fractals–WOW!
I’ve never seen anything like this!

http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?Form.SortOrder=UserName&Start=1&Artist=josleys&ByArtist=Yes 

(This person’s actual website, www.josleys.com,  is impossible to reach–apparently it is overcome with visitors right now–but this page has some AMAZINGLY gorgeous images!)

Love,
Lisa
The time has come… My mind has been….psychedelicized! 😉

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 12:18:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick,

It is not a matter of resolving addiction.  It is a matter of respect,  Yes brain washing and torture work. There is also the adage, you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. I just think people should be treated decently and that is more important than whether they are using drugs or not.  Just to be clear, though you did not say it, I don’t consider myself a mindy academic.  I’ve been in the trenches.

Howard

In a message dated 3/30/06 8:21:08 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto

 

 

 

From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: Alan/meth…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 6:02:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Jane Kirk,
I do apologize for the gender mixup! Don’t feel bad; as a rather long-haired blue-eyed blond (though strictly hetero..not that it matters) I have often be accidentaly called ma’am many, many times! Also, thanks for all the encouragement. I used to love hallucinogens, and did more than my share, and never once had a bad trip until I turned 25..after that, my body chemistry seemed to change and I started to have bad trips, which was a real ‘bummer’ (haha) for me…I also even started having panick attacks from as little as smoking alot of good weed. Eventually, I read a good book on anxiety, and my panick attacks went away, at least as far as smoking went. I still have very bad nerves, inherited from my mother, who is the biggest pessimist/worry-ridden person you would ever care not to meet….But I’m still a little hesitant about taking the big dose of ibogaine, though it sounds exciting as well…I started taking hallucinogens for the very purpose of trying to plumb the depths of my psyche, and this sounds like the ideal drug to do it…Also, since it slows the heartbeat, I think any panick attacks would be less likely, as rapid heartbeat from the speed element of street acid is usually what set me off (I have high cholesterol, plus heart disease runs in my family..). As for obtaining ibogaine in the US..well, I don’t think I could trust anyone that I didn’t know with that, and I absolutely cannot end up in prison doing a cold turkey after 7 years of meth! But I thought that, if it were available in Mexico, without the treatment plan (or one that would work with me) I could get a two-week supply of meth and give it a shot, if I could come up with the cash. My methadone program, after not doing it for years and years, has recently started testing and punishing for THC, also, which makes my clinic experience sheer hell. I already lost my takeouts due to a THC U.A….it’s so absurd, and obviously political, since canabis has zero reaction with opiates…and igf they’re going to start testing for hallucinogens, why the weakest one of all? Why not LSD or MDMA?  I tell you, the US is becoming a truly fascist country under Bush and all the Republicans..not that the Democrats are much better (not to mention that they can’t debate worth shit). They are stripping our Civil Rights left and right!
Well..sorry. I do get carried away sometimes. You seem like a very intelligent and nice lady, and I appreciate your advice and support. Thanks again………..Sincerely…..A.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Alan/meth…
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:37:52 +1200

HI Alan,
That would be, thanks for the info, Ma’am lol (Captain Jane Kirk… things got messed up in the transporter, stay tuned for episode of Star Trek, The Search for Jim’s Genitals……).
There is information on Mindvox about what you wish to do, as well as far more qualified people than myself to give you what you need to  know.   I am in New Zealand and thank the Dog’s that be it’s not illegal here…..my advice to you is research research ask many questions, they will be answered….
As for myself, I did what is called Step Dosing of ibogaine… in which I had my last drink of done (came off 30 mg’s) then pretty much waited for the w/d’s to set in, then started taking small amounts of Ibogaine HCL.    I am most  happy to inform you that the symptoms went away!  On the third day, not due to any major discomfort, more a time frame had to be kept as my Ibo provider couldn’t stay for long, so the Flood dose (large dose) was administered.  I’ve been, um, debating the importance of this flood dose with a friend (actually Ex of 8 years lol) who also wishes to just take small amounts to stop the w/d’s.  He feels he knows how and why he’s addicted and doesn’t like any form of tripping type substances.  Anyway….if anyone has any suggestions or experience with low dosing (was interesting to read about long term pain patients using ibo to reduce tolerance on a regular basis..,…)  be interested to read.
All the best Alan, I  hope the chance to take Ibogaine comes your way in some way or other….as far as detoxes go it was a picnic.
Kirk (aka kirsty)

From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 8:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses

Hey Kirk,
Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I would like to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a relatively rapid taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I can’t afford the 5 day program at any of the detox places, and second, I live in the U.S. (Orlando, Florida) and have no way to get ahold of ibogaine. I totally believe that if I had the ibogaine, and some basic idea of usage, I could use small amounts to taper-off rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the greatest shape, so I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at once method, anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and someone to give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the withdrawal from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would even take my chances with experimentation…but the other problem is more difficult. Do you know if you can obtain ibogaine from a doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve heard many clinics there just ask you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet listing drugs, and you just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard that for white (and I could make myself look conservative) don’t get hassled too much coming back across. Any ideas? ………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200
What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling repetitive??? Lol
Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )
Kirk J
From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix
That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] anti-snitching campaign riles police
Date: March 30, 2006 at 4:24:24 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-28-stop-snitching_x.htm

Anti-snitch campaign riles police, prosecutors
By Rick Hampson, USA TODAY
PITTSBURGH – It was not the first time prosecutor Lisa Pellegrini had been enraged by the sight of the T-shirt with the traffic-sign message: STOP SNITCHING. But this guy was about to wear one into court, with matching baseball cap.
snip-

Interesting article folks.
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“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 4:31:09 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In such a demanding area that evokes such intense feeling it is highly
unlikely that everyone will ever agree on one sole solution or approach. Nor
will there ever be an approach that will fit all. At least i hope not!<

Hear hear!!! Words of wisdom, thanks Edward.

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

I’d like to comment on this,

I feel that the desire to change language and the language of description appropriated to others is namely from a source of desire to reframe an already existing position, view point or address. In such the opportunity is given for the recipient to move out of a previous framework within which they had forund themselves placed by others.

The effect of which may not immediately go to change behavior, but the opportunity taken to experiment has intentioned to allow a new form of access to that individual, a new form of inter communicative exchange, a chance at being listened to maybe.

The result of which can allow for and create a momentary window of opportunity, for however long that lasts, both personally and historically, and no doubt will require to change with the times…that in turn creates a moment of freedom. Freedom from the usual, repetitive, boring, hypnotic, relentless drone of life…the one which at times we all need to switch off from.

So  language can access a Self by a change from the norm, the ‘what I’ve got used to and automatically tune out from’, it can also express a desire to reach out, to include and therefore to heal. What is done after that is the following stages, requirements and demands of furthering deepening relationships of trust and growth.

Challenge can therefore crop up and be experienced as healthy, rather than alientating. Challenge having to come after trust has been established. And always challenge and language will carry both risk aswell as rewards. The relative value and potency of their usage will be engendered in the ability, skill, sensitivity and quality of relationship that is present.

In such a demanding area that evokes such intense feeling it is highly unlikely that everyone will ever agree on one sole solution or approach. Nor will there ever be an approach that will fit all. At least i hope not!

Our demands, dynamics and ideas are always changing, and so are those of others, its therefore important that as providers of healing and social inclusion we learn how to adapt and tolerate and also how to change.

I really understand the repulsion at PC language, but in context, it atleast allows someone to be included and recognise the attempt to include, how they react to that will change afterward, as it will atleast now allow them to release some of the hatred, pain and torture they have endured for so long, atleast now they have an audience, and therefore somewhere for the pain within to fall on and be heard. With out that first door openeing, one is still in the circle, and like we all know, when someone asks us how we feel and we don’t say “OK”, at least I know I do…I tell them about the crock of feelings and shit that is swilling around my gut and head. If I had’nt been invited in the first place, I might just have taken it to a Bar.!

Ed.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:19:47 +0200 (CEST)

>
>   —–Original Message—–
>   From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>   Sent: 28 March 2006 20:17
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
> and methadone
>
>
>
>   In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>   Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
> and methadone
>
>
>
>   In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>   Hi Howard,
>
>   Personally, I still feel that itâ?Ts a bit of a fantasy to suggest
that
> changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have
> a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a
> narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then
> itâ?Ts pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will
> have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using
> drugs. Itâ?Ts reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to
> overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after
> recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to
> â?oaddictsâ?ť sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor
> bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being > called
> â?oa fucking junkieâ?ť focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw
> someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some > of
> the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.
>
>   I donâ?Tt think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of
how
> society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present > and
> heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
> while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low
> self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the
> stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full
> responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of
> their drug-using history.
>
>   Nick
>
>
>   Hi Nick,
>
>   I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people
> are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they > act
> and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in
> both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as
> other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but,
> having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it
> easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing
> moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to
> change or moderate in your life.
>
>   Howard
>
>   Hi Howard,
>
>   I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing > language
> does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely
> counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think
> that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc
> terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible > for
> your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to
> you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how
> we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of
> potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, > is
> quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore
> irresponsible.
>
>   Nick
>
>
>   Hi Nick,
>
>   How we view ourselves is ultimately “down to us,” however we are all
the
> products of our environments in part.  If we were not defined > negatively
> we would not perceive ourselves as negative.  I would opt for your
> recognition that it is damaging to many and have to weight that heavily
> than it being rather beneficial to a few and I would add, very few.  So
> I guess we will just have to disagree on whether treating people kindly
> and with respect precipitates a better return than treating them > cruelly
> and with disrespect.  On the issue “that if the treatment of chemical
> dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would
> suffer”  I have to disagree.  At the time I passed Herman Joseph’s post
> to this list I had, with permission, also provided a post from the
> addict-L list to the methadone list.  Maybe that would add useful
> discussion here and so I will present it as well.  See below.
>
>   Howard
>
>
>     To the List:
>
>     But really, being ambivalent about treatment is not unique to
> addiction.  Who hasn’t put off getting an annual physical?  It’s
> common to dread surgery, mammograms, prostate evaluations.  Cancer
> patients become almost phobic about receiving courses of cancer
> chemotherapy.  Schizophrenics often can’t stand taking their
> medications because of the way the agents make them feel.  Even blood
> pressure medication compliance is poor.  Most diabetics do a terrible
> job with giving themselves insulin shots.  And diet and exercise
> instructions are more typically ignored than adopted.
>
>     For all conditions other than addiction, such reluctance and
> half-hearted compliance is managed primarily by encouragment,
> patience, and empathy.  Only with addiction is this same phenomenon
> pathologized and turned into a blame game.  Approaching an addict’s
> reluctance the same way a clinician would approach a sufferer of any
> other disease becomes labelled as “co-dependent” or “enabling.”
>
>     That’s all hogwash.  Having any disease sucks.  Having to have
> treatment for any disease sucks.  Being reluctant and ambivalent about
> receiving treatment for any disease is simply normal human behavior,
> not “addict behavior.”  People with addictions are entitled to the
> same level of respect, professionalism, tolerance, and patience as
> those who suffer other diseases.
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Steve
>     Steve Coulter, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>   Howard,
>
>   I am not advocating an inhumane approach. This is not what it is > about
> at all. I am saying that, for me, empowerment of the individual is the
> core means by which dependence can be broken long-term. And the > absolute
> core of this approach is to adopt the position “I am 100% responsible
> for everything that happens to me.” It takes time, often a lot of time,
> and a lot of work is needed before someone can take this position. If a
> therapist starts from the position that addiction is the result of
> societal conditioning, I think it greatly weakens the process. That’s > my
> opinion.
>
>   Working with people, some with addiction issues, others with > different
> issues, it’s clear to me that treating addiction does have specific
> angles to it that make it distinct from other conditions. Again and
> again in addicts I do see this absolutely resolute desire not to
> self-examine, not to look at their behaviour. A lot of addicts are
> fucking great people, frankly, imo. But this issue is present, this
> incredible capacity to avoid. When treatment starts to go more down the
> pc road, I think you also have to check in that you’re not simply
> patronizing the whole “poor baby” routine. It is a very easy thing to > be
> popular with addicts, the easiest thing in the world, actually. You > just
> adopt a position that enables them to continue avoiding. It is easy to
> take a humane approach. What’s tougher is to stand up and say it like > it
> is.
>
>   Nick

 

In a way I wouldn’t like to do to others what I would not want to be done
to me,
if I were in the same position.

Sara

 

 

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From: “Charles Rossouw” <kabel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report
Date: March 30, 2006 at 8:59:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara

Thanks.  Being called a good friend by you is a great compliment.
And Guy – I know you’re doing good.  Speak with you soon.

Love, respect

Charles

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 30 March 2006 01:04 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report

 

hi Guy
Charles is a good friend, I would love to come and visit SA and meet with
you too.

be well,

Sara

 

Hi Sara, sounds like you are doing good work! Keep it up. Do you know that
there is now a team of people in South Africa doing Ibogaine treatment. I
did it with them(IBO) and they were fantastic. Are you in touch with
Charles
in SA.

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 30 March 2006 10:09
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report

Howard,

thanks, I have already a contact with a Clinic that will do the after
care,
they were very positive with an ex client of mijn,and will accept
people directly after the detox. with Ibo.
thanks to Frank Leenders we will pick up the research again here in the
Netherlands.

Sara

 

In a message dated 3/25/06 11:40:15 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

this is on tonight here about the Iboga treatment.

best wishes,

Sara

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&
reportage_id=4220

I asked one of my Dutch speaking friends to monitor the program and I
received a glowing report that follows. It would be very positive if the
Dutch were
to pick up the research. Very good work Sara.

Howard
*******************
This is a very positive pro-Ibogaine documentary. Nova also holds high
regard in terms of scientific reporting – it’s excellent – you can be
really
stoked about this.

Leenders and Fromberg simply explain that yes Ibogaine really works,
there
is no doubt about it and Fromberg says it even has been proven in
pharmacological research done in Rotterdam (not sure which research he’s
referring to). When asked about the “shady treatment settings” like the
ones
with Sara, Leenders says these settings are not shady at all. Where
there
is
demand there is supply, and if the government doesn’t provide it other
people will. He also says that Ibogaine is not a recreational substance,
that the experience is really intense and should be done under prop

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 30, 2006 at 8:20:02 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Alberto,

It is not so much about creating offense, more about being real. NLP is fine and has its place. Likewise encounter therapy. With the latter you can use more abusive language if it expresses what you feel. I am not suggesting that you should start a session by saying to the client, “Yo fuckwit you’re in a right fucking state!” I’m saying there is a place for abusive language in the therapeutic process. I’m also saying that you have to watch a little the “poor baby” routine with this nice guy approach. It’s the easiest thing in the world to be the addict’s friend. You just don’t show them the place where they don’t want to go and they will love you forever. This is what I see Peter Cohen doing.

Generally, I support what people like Herman Joseph and Peter Cohen are trying to do. But there is also the side of this movement that is, to me, a few mindy academics making pseudo-humanistic pronouncements without awareness or experience. It’s this side of it that I also bring up. You cannot so easily resolve addiction with the higher mind, imo. It’s more reptilian brain stuff. There need to be deep rooted changes at this level. Stuff needs to happen experientially – maturation, resolution of conflict, increased awareness of the inner dynamic, redirection of energy – for most this is the case. I don’t make pronouncements for everybody.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Alberto Sola [mailto:plago@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 March 2006 02:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto
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From: “Alberto Sola” <plago@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 8:50:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hola:
Medical profesionals, should treat everybody with respect. The slang terms are both offensive and give no benefit for the patients. Those terms are judgemental and make the patient doctor comunication more difficult. On top of that like all slang the terms are not scientifically adecuate. We would not write them in a medical journal. I agree with Howard we have to promote the right language. Slowly will change the attitudes, it’s called neurolinguistic programing.
Saludos
Alberto
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From: “Tiger Lisa” <tigerlisa@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT: amazingly gorgeous, out of this world….
Date: March 30, 2006 at 7:12:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Three-D fractals–WOW!
I’ve never seen anything like this!

http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?Form.SortOrder=UserName&Start=1&Artist=josleys&ByArtist=Yes

(This person’s actual website, www.josleys.com,  is impossible to reach–apparently it is overcome with visitors right now–but this page has some AMAZINGLY gorgeous images!)

Love,
Lisa
The time has come… My mind has been….psychedelicized! 😉

 

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report
Date: March 30, 2006 at 6:04:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Guy
Charles is a good friend, I would love to come and visit SA and meet with
you too.

be well,

Sara

 

Hi Sara, sounds like you are doing good work! Keep it up. Do you know that
there is now a team of people in South Africa doing Ibogaine treatment. I
did it with them(IBO) and they were fantastic. Are you in touch with
Charles
in SA.

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 30 March 2006 10:09
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report

Howard,

thanks, I have already a contact with a Clinic that will do the after
care,
they were very positive with an ex client of mijn,and will accept
people directly after the detox. with Ibo.
thanks to Frank Leenders we will pick up the research again here in the
Netherlands.

Sara

 

In a message dated 3/25/06 11:40:15 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

this is on tonight here about the Iboga treatment.

best wishes,

Sara

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&
reportage_id=4220

I asked one of my Dutch speaking friends to monitor the program and I
received a glowing report that follows. It would be very positive if the
Dutch were
to pick up the research. Very good work Sara.

Howard
*******************
This is a very positive pro-Ibogaine documentary. Nova also holds high
regard in terms of scientific reporting – it’s excellent – you can be
really
stoked about this.

Leenders and Fromberg simply explain that yes Ibogaine really works,
there
is no doubt about it and Fromberg says it even has been proven in
pharmacological research done in Rotterdam (not sure which research he’s
referring to). When asked about the “shady treatment settings” like the
ones
with Sara, Leenders says these settings are not shady at all. Where
there
is
demand there is supply, and if the government doesn’t provide it other
people will. He also says that Ibogaine is not a recreational substance,
that the experience is really intense and should be done under prop

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report
Date: March 30, 2006 at 5:25:16 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara, sounds like you are doing good work! Keep it up. Do you know that
there is now a team of people in South Africa doing Ibogaine treatment. I
did it with them(IBO) and they were fantastic. Are you in touch with Charles
in SA.

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 30 March 2006 10:09
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report

Howard,

thanks, I have already a contact with a Clinic that will do the after care,
they were very positive with an ex client of mijn,and will accept
people directly after the detox. with Ibo.
thanks to Frank Leenders we will pick up the research again here in the
Netherlands.

Sara

 

In a message dated 3/25/06 11:40:15 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

this is on tonight here about the Iboga treatment.

best wishes,

Sara

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&
reportage_id=4220

I asked one of my Dutch speaking friends to monitor the program and I
received a glowing report that follows. It would be very positive if the
Dutch were
to pick up the research. Very good work Sara.

Howard
*******************
This is a very positive pro-Ibogaine documentary. Nova also holds high
regard in terms of scientific reporting – it’s excellent – you can be
really
stoked about this.

Leenders and Fromberg simply explain that yes Ibogaine really works, there
is no doubt about it and Fromberg says it even has been proven in
pharmacological research done in Rotterdam (not sure which research he’s
referring to). When asked about the “shady treatment settings” like the
ones
with Sara, Leenders says these settings are not shady at all. Where there
is
demand there is supply, and if the government doesn’t provide it other
people will. He also says that Ibogaine is not a recreational substance,
that the experience is really intense and should be done under proper
guidance.

It is the Ministry of Health that come out as the bad guys for not
studying
Ibogaine. The Ministry admits comparing Ibogaine to
Naltrexone-under-narcosis and they are saying that since Naltrexone didn’t
work with cravings then Ibogaine would be doubtable in this department as
well. They are somewhat vaguely saying that this now might be a wrong
assumption.

The documentary ends on the note saying that Ibogaine is not being
research
in Holland (and it really is making the Dutch government look like idiots
because they mention this) and that it IS being researched in other
countries, like the USA and that conclusive, positive information is
expected within the next few years as to how/why it works.

Wow! Very, very cool documentary. Be stoked, very stoked! Leenders and
Fromberg are 100+% behind Ibogaine, nothing but super-positive stuff from
them; they are your allies.

 

 

 

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report
Date: March 30, 2006 at 3:08:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

thanks, I have already a contact with a Clinic that will do the after care,
they were very positive with an ex client of mijn,and will accept
people directly after the detox. with Ibo.
thanks to Frank Leenders we will pick up the research again here in the
Netherlands.

Sara

 

In a message dated 3/25/06 11:40:15 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

this is on tonight here about the Iboga treatment.

best wishes,

Sara

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&
reportage_id=4220

I asked one of my Dutch speaking friends to monitor the program and I
received a glowing report that follows. It would be very positive if the
Dutch were
to pick up the research. Very good work Sara.

Howard
*******************
This is a very positive pro-Ibogaine documentary. Nova also holds high
regard in terms of scientific reporting – it’s excellent – you can be
really
stoked about this.

Leenders and Fromberg simply explain that yes Ibogaine really works, there
is no doubt about it and Fromberg says it even has been proven in
pharmacological research done in Rotterdam (not sure which research he’s
referring to). When asked about the “shady treatment settings” like the
ones
with Sara, Leenders says these settings are not shady at all. Where there
is
demand there is supply, and if the government doesn’t provide it other
people will. He also says that Ibogaine is not a recreational substance,
that the experience is really intense and should be done under proper
guidance.

It is the Ministry of Health that come out as the bad guys for not
studying
Ibogaine. The Ministry admits comparing Ibogaine to
Naltrexone-under-narcosis and they are saying that since Naltrexone didn’t
work with cravings then Ibogaine would be doubtable in this department as
well. They are somewhat vaguely saying that this now might be a wrong
assumption.

The documentary ends on the note saying that Ibogaine is not being
research
in Holland (and it really is making the Dutch government look like idiots
because they mention this) and that it IS being researched in other
countries, like the USA and that conclusive, positive information is
expected within the next few years as to how/why it works.

Wow! Very, very cool documentary. Be stoked, very stoked! Leenders and
Fromberg are 100+% behind Ibogaine, nothing but super-positive stuff from
them; they are your allies.

 

 

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From: captkirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: OT Capt Kirk..
Date: March 29, 2006 at 11:36:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have seen just this on American tv – it’s called Boston
Legal,  and he/Shatner plays a theorizing alpha
establishment male bandit  confronting senility. Humping
his own image with lusty abandon.

Ohhh yehhh I haven’t seen much of Boston Legal, but what I
have seen cracks me up, loved the one where they boys were
going to a cabin to “touch themselves…. urhhh GET in touch
with themselves” then he gets pissed off trying to catch
fish with a rod so storms off and comes back with a shotgun
to blow the fish outta the water.
A very funny documentary is “How Trekkies Changed the World”
I am still blown away by how much technology was invented by
geeks who watched Star Trek when they were kids (um, or
adults..)!!!!  Shatner takes the mickey out of himself and
Star Trek on a regular basis.  How could he not?
Gotta love the captain….(also like the story told my a
friend of his, of when they were all out playing Paint Ball,
Shatner was losing so he feigned a heart attack and when the
players came to his aid he shot them all.  Excellent Star
Trek tactics!! Play possum.  WE COME IN PEACE, SHOOT TO
KILL.)
Capt Kirsty Koiky Kirk

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sara on Dutch TV – NOVA ibogaine report
Date: March 30, 2006 at 1:06:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/25/06 11:40:15 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

this is on tonight here about the Iboga treatment.

best wishes,

Sara

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=videoaudio.details&reportage_id=4220

I asked one of my Dutch speaking friends to monitor the program and I received a glowing report that follows. It would be very positive if the Dutch were to pick up the research. Very good work Sara.

Howard
*******************
This is a very positive pro-Ibogaine documentary. Nova also holds high
regard in terms of scientific reporting – it’s excellent – you can be really
stoked about this.

Leenders and Fromberg simply explain that yes Ibogaine really works, there
is no doubt about it and Fromberg says it even has been proven in
pharmacological research done in Rotterdam (not sure which research he’s
referring to). When asked about the “shady treatment settings” like the ones
with Sara, Leenders says these settings are not shady at all. Where there is
demand there is supply, and if the government doesn’t provide it other
people will. He also says that Ibogaine is not a recreational substance,
that the experience is really intense and should be done under proper
guidance.

It is the Ministry of Health that come out as the bad guys for not studying
Ibogaine. The Ministry admits comparing Ibogaine to
Naltrexone-under-narcosis and they are saying that since Naltrexone didn’t
work with cravings then Ibogaine would be doubtable in this department as
well. They are somewhat vaguely saying that this now might be a wrong
assumption.

The documentary ends on the note saying that Ibogaine is not being research
in Holland (and it really is making the Dutch government look like idiots
because they mention this) and that it IS being researched in other
countries, like the USA and that conclusive, positive information is
expected within the next few years as to how/why it works.

Wow! Very, very cool documentary. Be stoked, very stoked! Leenders and
Fromberg are 100+% behind Ibogaine, nothing but super-positive stuff from
them; they are your allies.

 

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Alan/meth…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 11:18:51 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The
Search for Jim’s Genitals..).

I have seen just this on American tv – it’s called Boston Legal,
and he/Shatner plays a theorizing alpha establishment male bandit
confronting senility. Humping his own image with lusty abandon.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:37:52 -0800 Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
wrote:
HI Alan,

That would be, thanks for the info, Ma’am lol (Captain Jane Kirk.
things got
messed up in the transporter, stay tuned for episode of Star Trek,

The
Search for Jim’s Genitals..).

There is information on Mindvox about what you wish to do, as well

as far
more qualified people than myself to give you what you need to
know.   I am
in New Zealand and thank the Dog’s that be it’s not illegal
here…my advice
to you is research research ask many questions, they will be
answered..

As for myself, I did what is called Step Dosing of ibogaine. in
which I had
my last drink of done (came off 30 mg’s) then pretty much waited
for the
w/d’s to set in, then started taking small amounts of Ibogaine
HCL.    I am
most  happy to inform you that the symptoms went away!  On the
third day,
not due to any major discomfort, more a time frame had to be kept
as my Ibo
provider couldn’t stay for long, so the Flood dose (large dose)
was
administered.  I’ve been, um, debating the importance of this
flood dose
with a friend (actually Ex of 8 years lol) who also wishes to just

take
small amounts to stop the w/d’s.  He feels he knows how and why
he’s
addicted and doesn’t like any form of tripping type substances.
Anyway..if
anyone has any suggestions or experience with low dosing (was
interesting to
read about long term pain patients using ibo to reduce tolerance
on a
regular basis..,.)  be interested to read.

All the best Alan, I  hope the chance to take Ibogaine comes your
way in
some way or other..as far as detoxes go it was a picnic.

Kirk (aka kirsty)

 

 

_____

From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 8:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses

 

 

Hey Kirk,

Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I
would like
to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a relatively
rapid
taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I can’t afford the 5
day
program at any of the detox places, and second, I live in the U.S.

(Orlando,
Florida) and have no way to get ahold of ibogaine. I totally
believe that if
I had the ibogaine, and some basic idea of usage, I could use
small amounts
to taper-off rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the
greatest
shape, so I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at
once
method, anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and
someone to
give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the
withdrawal
from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would even take my

chances
with experimentation…but the other problem is more difficult. Do

you know
if you can obtain ibogaine from a doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve
heard many
clinics there just ask you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet

listing
drugs, and you just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard
that for
white (and I could make myself look conservative) don’t get
hassled too much
coming back across. Any ideas?
………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.

_____

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200

What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling
repetitive??? Lol

Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was
NOT hell in
the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it
doesn’t seem
to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a
bitch.   Not
with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have
also thought
that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than
methadone,
or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of

blood
stream?  )

Kirk 🙂

 

_____

From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

 

 

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a
“fucking
junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than
anything…I don’t
know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as
a person’s
behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed

in a
respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical
imbalances in
their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to
keep using
may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–
and not the
ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also,
most of the
problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its
prohibition,
which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I
never
stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But
it did take
all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn
shop. It did
not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the
doctors I
went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the
benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and
panic
attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten
hooked on
heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did
for me
plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors
have no
problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-
depressant for
the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to

request
the same thing for other more controversial drugs.

Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with

this
drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient
for 7
years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50
milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin,
yes, they
might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they

gave it a
little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of
course, there
are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating;

they are
all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics
will start
someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing
opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine)
and then
start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself
when I
first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks
like a few
drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace
the half
gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs,
what they
start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was
ready to
stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw
and needle
fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep
raising my
dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was
withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at

least the
one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally
addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they
don’t like
ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10
day) detox
over your head!

There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they
decide that
they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it
won’t take
long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the

hoops of
a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion
is this–if
you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t
stay on it
longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100
milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you
re-lapse,
you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any
dose really,
but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body
chemistry
and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones,

etc. And
if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim,
unless you
are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment

program,
like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going
to have to
go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem
easy…and it’s
not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more
intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At

the VERY
least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people
experience
pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering
withdrawal for
up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly
wear
yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during
methadone
withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal
doesn’t even
begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of
Xanax, in
desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I

was wide
awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time
walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from
being sedated
for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense.
This is
party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases
adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be
your worse
nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone
larger
doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their
lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these

many
over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis,
asteroids, birdflu,
hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your

town or a
larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering
that
methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?

Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve
rambled on for
too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you

all well!
We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally

found
something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the
crazy
legislations of this country!

_____

 

 

_____

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

 

 

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,
HSLotsof@aol.com writes:

you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is
quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would
guess not
since you report doing 15-25 a day.

I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired
actions
from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short
you would
probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.

I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25

oxys on a
day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel
withdrawals if
you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such
a long
acting substance.

I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my
115 mg of
Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.

Peace out, Callie

 

 

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 6:11:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the link, biscuitboy, I will check those sites out. They just always seem to cost so much money, though! But perhaps I’m speaking too soon. At any rate, I appreciate it! And I love Parliament Funkadelic!

 

From:  biscuitboy714@aol.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date:  Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:52:05 -0500
>Alan, do a google on Ibeginagain. I think that is how you spell it.
>Check it out.        Free your mind and your ass will follow.
>(George Clinton)           Randy
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Alan Hehe <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:12:24 -0500
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
>
>
>
>
>
>    Hey Kirk,
>
>     Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I
>would like to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a
>relatively rapid taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I
>can’t afford the 5 day program at any of the detox places, and
>second, I live in the U.S. (Orlando, Florida) and have no way to get
>ahold of ibogaine. I totally believe that if I had the ibogaine, and
>some basic idea of usage, I could use small amounts to taper-off
>rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the greatest shape, so
>I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at once method,
>anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and someone to
>give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the
>withdrawal from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would
>even take my chances with experimentation…but the other problem is
>more difficult. Do you know if you can obtain ibogaine from a
>doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve heard many clinics there just ask
>you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet listing drugs, and you
>just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard that for white (and
>I could make myself look conservative) don’t get hassled too much
>coming back across. Any ideas?
>………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.
>
>
>
>  ——–
>From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200
>
>       What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling
>repetitive??? Lol
>
>  Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was
>NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with
>methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you
>come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah
>bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to
>come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff
>that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )
>
>Kirk J
>
>
>
>   ——–
>
>From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>    I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a
>”fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than
>anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big
>difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly
>have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many
>”junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates
>correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to
>do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the
>ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also,
>most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do
>with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did
>heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work
>my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my
>possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was
>basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see
>before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines
>that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks)
>there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on
>heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did
>for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that
>doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some
>tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but
>act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more
>controversial drugs.
>
>       Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with
>this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a
>patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose
>over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of
>heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50
>milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would
>soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let
>me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different,
>some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone
>on methadone before they even get back the results showing
>opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and
>then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical
>myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that
>what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could
>possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was
>shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of
>the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still
>hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and
>continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my
>dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was
>withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at
>least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you
>totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if
>they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect
>of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
>
>        There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they
>decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe
>not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up
>with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or
>good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off
>heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6
>months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That
>way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can
>always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really,
>but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body
>chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your
>liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your
>chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very
>well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine
>ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to
>be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the
>intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more
>intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At
>the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most
>people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months,
>and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin
>withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep,
>YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed
>just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd
>or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for
>sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake
>again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time
>walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being
>sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully
>intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal,
>your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of
>mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very
>carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t
>mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also
>always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes
>(earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes,
>etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a
>larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that
>methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
>
>      Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve
>rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these
>issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for
>use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and
>once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!
>
>
>   ——–
>
>
>
>   ——–
>
>From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST
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>    In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard
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>   you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is
>quite a mix
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>   That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would
>guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
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>   I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired
>actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose
>short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
>
>
>   I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those
>15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should
>not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that
>because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
>
>
>   I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my
>115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
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>  Peace out, Callie
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From: biscuitboy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 5:52:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Alan, do a google on Ibeginagain. I think that is how you spell it. Check it out.        Free your mind and your ass will follow.   (George Clinton)           Randy

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From: Alan Hehe <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:12:24 -0500
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses

 

 

Hey Kirk,

Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I would like to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a relatively rapid taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I can’t afford the 5 day program at any of the detox places, and second, I live in the U.S. (Orlando, Florida) and have no way to get ahold of ibogaine. I totally believe that if I had the ibogaine, and some basic idea of usage, I could use small amounts to taper-off rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the greatest shape, so I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at once method, anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and someone to give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the withdrawal from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would even take my chances with experimentation…but the other problem is more difficult. Do you know if you can obtain ibogaine from a doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve heard many clinics there just ask you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet listing drugs, and you just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard that for white (and I could make myself look conservative) don’t get hassled too much coming back across. Any ideas? ………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200

What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling repetitive??? Lol

Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )

Kirk J

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

 

 

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.

Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!

There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?

Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

 

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:

you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.

I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.

I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.

I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.

Peace out, Callie

 

 

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Junkie self-esteem and Methadone doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 11:36:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Alan/meth…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 5:37:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI Alan,
That would be, thanks for the info, Ma’am lol (Captain Jane Kirk… things got messed up in the transporter, stay tuned for episode of Star Trek, The Search for Jim’s Genitals……).
There is information on Mindvox about what you wish to do, as well as far more qualified people than myself to give you what you need to  know.   I am in New Zealand and thank the Dog’s that be it’s not illegal here…..my advice to you is research research ask many questions, they will be answered….
As for myself, I did what is called Step Dosing of ibogaine… in which I had my last drink of done (came off 30 mg’s) then pretty much waited for the w/d’s to set in, then started taking small amounts of Ibogaine HCL.    I am most  happy to inform you that the symptoms went away!  On the third day, not due to any major discomfort, more a time frame had to be kept as my Ibo provider couldn’t stay for long, so the Flood dose (large dose) was administered.  I’ve been, um, debating the importance of this flood dose with a friend (actually Ex of 8 years lol) who also wishes to just take small amounts to stop the w/d’s.  He feels he knows how and why he’s addicted and doesn’t like any form of tripping type substances.  Anyway….if anyone has any suggestions or experience with low dosing (was interesting to read about long term pain patients using ibo to reduce tolerance on a regular basis..,…)  be interested to read.
All the best Alan, I  hope the chance to take Ibogaine comes your way in some way or other….as far as detoxes go it was a picnic.
Kirk (aka kirsty)

From: Alan Hehe [mailto:a.h.veil68@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 8:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses

Hey Kirk,
Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I would like to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a relatively rapid taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I can’t afford the 5 day program at any of the detox places, and second, I live in the U.S. (Orlando, Florida) and have no way to get ahold of ibogaine. I totally believe that if I had the ibogaine, and some basic idea of usage, I could use small amounts to taper-off rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the greatest shape, so I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at once method, anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and someone to give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the withdrawal from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would even take my chances with experimentation…but the other problem is more difficult. Do you know if you can obtain ibogaine from a doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve heard many clinics there just ask you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet listing drugs, and you just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard that for white (and I could make myself look conservative) don’t get hassled too much coming back across. Any ideas? ………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200
What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling repetitive??? Lol
Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )
Kirk J
From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix
That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 3:12:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Kirk,
Thanks for the info, man. I totally believe you! Actually, I would like to use small amounts of ibogaine in combination with a relatively rapid taper-off…My problems are two, though:one, I can’t afford the 5 day program at any of the detox places, and second, I live in the U.S. (Orlando, Florida) and have no way to get ahold of ibogaine. I totally believe that if I had the ibogaine, and some basic idea of usage, I could use small amounts to taper-off rather quickly…I’m almost forty and not in the greatest shape, so I would rather do it this way, than the all-out, all at once method, anyway. My problem is getting ahold of the ibogaine, and someone to give me a basic idea of how to use small doses to stave off the withdrawal from dropping…actually, as far as the last, I would even take my chances with experimentation…but the other problem is more difficult. Do you know if you can obtain ibogaine from a doctor’s office in Mexico? I’ve heard many clinics there just ask you what’s wrong, and then give you a sheet listing drugs, and you just circle the ones you want…I’ve also heard that for white (and I could make myself look conservative) don’t get hassled too much coming back across. Any ideas? ………………………………..Sincerely, Alan.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:23 +1200

What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling repetitive??? Lol
Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )
Kirk J
From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix
That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 2:41:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’d like to comment on this,

I feel that the desire to change language and the language of description appropriated to others is namely from a source of desire to reframe an already existing position, view point or address. In such the opportunity is given for the recipient to move out of a previous framework within which they had forund themselves placed by others.

The effect of which may not immediately go to change behavior, but the opportunity taken to experiment has intentioned to allow a new form of access to that individual, a new form of inter communicative exchange, a chance at being listened to maybe.

The result of which can allow for and create a momentary window of opportunity, for however long that lasts, both personally and historically, and no doubt will require to change with the times…that in turn creates a moment of freedom. Freedom from the usual, repetitive, boring, hypnotic, relentless drone of life…the one which at times we all need to switch off from.

So  language can access a Self by a change from the norm, the ‘what I’ve got used to and automatically tune out from’, it can also express a desire to reach out, to include and therefore to heal. What is done after that is the following stages, requirements and demands of furthering deepening relationships of trust and growth.

Challenge can therefore crop up and be experienced as healthy, rather than alientating. Challenge having to come after trust has been established. And always challenge and language will carry both risk aswell as rewards. The relative value and potency of their usage will be engendered in the ability, skill, sensitivity and quality of relationship that is present.

In such a demanding area that evokes such intense feeling it is highly unlikely that everyone will ever agree on one sole solution or approach. Nor will there ever be an approach that will fit all. At least i hope not!

Our demands, dynamics and ideas are always changing, and so are those of others, its therefore important that as providers of healing and social inclusion we learn how to adapt and tolerate and also how to change.

I really understand the repulsion at PC language, but in context, it atleast allows someone to be included and recognise the attempt to include, how they react to that will change afterward, as it will atleast now allow them to release some of the hatred, pain and torture they have endured for so long, atleast now they have an audience, and therefore somewhere for the pain within to fall on and be heard. With out that first door openeing, one is still in the circle, and like we all know, when someone asks us how we feel and we don’t say “OK”, at least I know I do…I tell them about the crock of feelings and shit that is swilling around my gut and head. If I had’nt been invited in the first place, I might just have taken it to a Bar.!

Ed.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and      methadone
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:19:47 +0200 (CEST)

>
>   —–Original Message—–
>   From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>   Sent: 28 March 2006 20:17
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
> and methadone
>
>
>
>   In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>   Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
> and methadone
>
>
>
>   In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>   Hi Howard,
>
>   Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that
> changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have
> a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a
> narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then
> it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will
> have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using
> drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to
> overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after
> recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to
> “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor
> bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called
> “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw
> someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of
> the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.
>
>   I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how
> society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and
> heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
> while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low
> self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the
> stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full
> responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of
> their drug-using history.
>
>   Nick
>
>
>   Hi Nick,
>
>   I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people
> are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act
> and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in
> both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as
> other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but,
> having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it
> easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing
> moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to
> change or moderate in your life.
>
>   Howard
>
>   Hi Howard,
>
>   I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing language
> does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely
> counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think
> that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc
> terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible for
> your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to
> you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how
> we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of
> potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, is
> quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore
> irresponsible.
>
>   Nick
>
>
>   Hi Nick,
>
>   How we view ourselves is ultimately “down to us,” however we are all the
> products of our environments in part.  If we were not defined negatively
> we would not perceive ourselves as negative.  I would opt for your
> recognition that it is damaging to many and have to weight that heavily
> than it being rather beneficial to a few and I would add, very few.  So
> I guess we will just have to disagree on whether treating people kindly
> and with respect precipitates a better return than treating them cruelly
> and with disrespect.  On the issue “that if the treatment of chemical
> dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would
> suffer”  I have to disagree.  At the time I passed Herman Joseph’s post
> to this list I had, with permission, also provided a post from the
> addict-L list to the methadone list.  Maybe that would add useful
> discussion here and so I will present it as well.  See below.
>
>   Howard
>
>
>     To the List:
>
>     But really, being ambivalent about treatment is not unique to
> addiction.  Who hasn’t put off getting an annual physical?  It’s
> common to dread surgery, mammograms, prostate evaluations.  Cancer
> patients become almost phobic about receiving courses of cancer
> chemotherapy.  Schizophrenics often can’t stand taking their
> medications because of the way the agents make them feel.  Even blood
> pressure medication compliance is poor.  Most diabetics do a terrible
> job with giving themselves insulin shots.  And diet and exercise
> instructions are more typically ignored than adopted.
>
>     For all conditions other than addiction, such reluctance and
> half-hearted compliance is managed primarily by encouragment,
> patience, and empathy.  Only with addiction is this same phenomenon
> pathologized and turned into a blame game.  Approaching an addict’s
> reluctance the same way a clinician would approach a sufferer of any
> other disease becomes labelled as “co-dependent” or “enabling.”
>
>     That’s all hogwash.  Having any disease sucks.  Having to have
> treatment for any disease sucks.  Being reluctant and ambivalent about
> receiving treatment for any disease is simply normal human behavior,
> not “addict behavior.”  People with addictions are entitled to the
> same level of respect, professionalism, tolerance, and patience as
> those who suffer other diseases.
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Steve
>     Steve Coulter, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>   Howard,
>
>   I am not advocating an inhumane approach. This is not what it is about
> at all. I am saying that, for me, empowerment of the individual is the
> core means by which dependence can be broken long-term. And the absolute
> core of this approach is to adopt the position “I am 100% responsible
> for everything that happens to me.” It takes time, often a lot of time,
> and a lot of work is needed before someone can take this position. If a
> therapist starts from the position that addiction is the result of
> societal conditioning, I think it greatly weakens the process. That’s my
> opinion.
>
>   Working with people, some with addiction issues, others with different
> issues, it’s clear to me that treating addiction does have specific
> angles to it that make it distinct from other conditions. Again and
> again in addicts I do see this absolutely resolute desire not to
> self-examine, not to look at their behaviour. A lot of addicts are
> fucking great people, frankly, imo. But this issue is present, this
> incredible capacity to avoid. When treatment starts to go more down the
> pc road, I think you also have to check in that you’re not simply
> patronizing the whole “poor baby” routine. It is a very easy thing to be
> popular with addicts, the easiest thing in the world, actually. You just
> adopt a position that enables them to continue avoiding. It is easy to
> take a humane approach. What’s tougher is to stand up and say it like it
> is.
>
>   Nick

 

In a way I wouldn’t like to do to others what I would not want to be done
to me,
if I were in the same position.

Sara

 

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 2:28:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What’s up with the internet??? Or are people just feeling repetitive??? Lol
Alan I have to say that coming off Methadone using Ibogaine was NOT hell in the least. Compared to regular detox.  And with methadone, it doesn’t seem to matter how small the dose when you come off, it’s still a bitch.   Not with ibogaine.  Hallelooooyah bless th’ ‘Boga!!!!!!!   (I have also thought that using Ibogaine to come off an IV habit would be easier than methadone, or other stuff that is absorbed thru the stomach lining instead of blood stream?  )
Kirk J
From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST
In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix
That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] junkies and self esteem and meth doses
Date: March 29, 2006 at 12:09:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:38:01 -0500

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 29, 2006 at 9:30:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi..Alan here. I’m a methadone patient, and have also done a  bit of research on it as well. Methadone doesn’t start to completely block opiates until you get up to around 50 milligrams a day. I know this from experience. Be careful with those oxy’s, though–you know that only the name-brand ones work, right? The generic ones have naltrexone mixed in with them–or so I’ve heard–and if this is true, and you shot one, it would of course put you into immediate withdrawal. Personally, as an opiate high, I don’t understand why so many people like oxycontins…I mean, sure, I’ve done them–but they’re just as expensive as heroin, if not more, and not nearly as strong…plus, they last a very short time.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 29, 2006 at 12:34:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ann—Thanks.

From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:51:50 -0500

I like this post very much (for what that’s worth).  Partly because you support a lot of my beliefs and biases
on this whole subject.  I want to learn and understand as much as I can.  It is obvious to me that you have
thought about this in a logical way and have not left out the psychological/physiological parts.  Please keep
on contributing.

Ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Alan Hehe
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 29, 2006 at 11:51:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I like this post very much (for what that’s worth).  Partly because you support a lot of my beliefs and biases
on this whole subject.  I want to learn and understand as much as I can.  It is obvious to me that you have
thought about this in a logical way and have not left out the psychological/physiological parts.  Please keep
on contributing.

Ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Alan Hehe
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Preston OT (Music)
Date: March 29, 2006 at 12:19:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No regrets, sweetie!  I’ll let you know when I’m in NYC.  Until then, you can hear some Italy remixes (DATURA, Space Noah) at myspace.com/sweetfeetmusic  Our website is not done yet because our webmistress was just competing for a shoot with Vanity Fair – oh, what problems to have!

But where my real heart lies concerning music is my mid-tempo organic house with full on lyrics – coming soon 🙂

Love ya,

brenda

On 3/28/06 10:02 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> Re: [Ibogaine] To  Callie>Guess what?  We got a record deal via Sleaze Sisters
> in London!  Promos coming out next month.  Being released on Universal
> Records.<
>
> I’ve regretted not hooking up for coffee/whathaveyou when you wrote me Brenda
> (but hopefully you’ll understand that I wasn’t in exactly a decent state for
> meeting new people at that point), but I’m hoping too that you’ll let us know
> when this promo is being released and that we’ll get to have a listen.
> Peace, love and lotsof respect.
>

 

From: marko <marko@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] bright future…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 9:03:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

… for Big Brother…

http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE320060327033840&Page=3&Title=Features+%2D+Health+%26+Science&Topic=166&

Marko

… — …  … — …  … — …

BEIJING: Chinese scientists have invented a device that can detect a drug user simply from the way his pupils react to certain rays.

The technology, developed by scientists in South-western Yunnan province, bordering the ill-famed ‘golden triangle’, has proved successful in six pilot projects in local villages, and have passed the assessment of the ministry of public security, the state media reported on Monday.

In the tests, 891 cannabis smokers were mixed with 826 non-drug takers. The device was able to catch 93.94 per cent of the addicts if they smoked the drug the day before the test, and 88.52 per cent of them if they did it six days before.

No non-drug takers were mistaken for smoking the drug in the tests, scientists with the department of science and technology said.

For addicts to opium or its related drugs, lights of certain wavelength and intensity make their pupils expand and contract, they said, adding that the new device can find out “how much a person is addicted to drugs.”

The technology is obviously more advanced than similar detection techniques applied by police across the country, and it will be a good help if promoted nationwide, the scientists said.

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] way ot: Bush and Cheney in drag
Date: March 29, 2006 at 10:00:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just thought i’d send you all a bit of a giggle..
love tink

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 29, 2006 at 9:38:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:43 EST

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

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From: biscuitboy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 9:46:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s my call on this. To use the term junky is like any other slur. If you are a junky it is OK to use the term amongst other junkies. Same as a lot of racial slurs among those races. Personaly I think the big issue here is low self esteme and what is the best way to work on it on a personal level. I would think it depends on the person and how they were raised. I know this is a big issue for me and a lot of other addicts I know. Self realazation is a bitch. I’m working on it.         Randy

—–Original Message—–
From: Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:38:55 +0100
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 29 March 2006 06:25
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
and methadone

>Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on
yourself and can
>draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so
than some
>of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.<

Calling someone a “fucking junky” (have you ever been a “fucking
junkie”
Nick? And why are you talking about “you” again? How do you know what
it
does for other people, to be called a “fucking junkie” anyway?) is
just
plain meanspirited, rude, not to mention prejudiced and completely
unconstructive, and to top it off, perpetuates the prohibitionist
mind-set
that all junkies are scum and not as human as non-users and junkies,
and
therefore don’t deserve love, compassion and understanding. And it’s
pathetic.

>I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of
how
>society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present
and
>heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it
for a
>while.<

You have a point Nick, in that I too feel that much heroin use is due
to
some self-esteem issues in SOME folk. But I’m completely at a loss as
to
your last sentence, about how those who take full responsibility
for their
life don’t get to be called a “junkie,” as it appears to me that you
feel
all heroin users are “fucking junkies” anyway Nick.

 

Hey Preston,

“No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a
junkie, regardless of their drug-using history” – means exactly what it says
on the tin to me. I stand by that statement as it’s my experience this is
so.

As to being prejudiced against addicts, I’m not, except when they’re being a
real pain in the arse in the group room, and even then I’m just complaining,
as I do about other people without addiction issues, and other people do
about me when I’m being a pain. Frankly, I don’t even label people as
“addicts” in a therapy situation, they’re just more participants. This has
nothing to do with prejudice, it’s about the reality of taking people who
want to move away from addiction to that space. I’m putting out my opinion,
and you can read into it what you like, create from it what you like, read
into it whatever you like, rearrange bits and manipulate from it whatever
you like. Or you can accept it as my truth.

Nick

 

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From: “Alan Hehe” <a.h.veil68@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 9:03:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I totally agree with Preston on this; I think being called a “fucking junkie” would have more to do with low self-esteem than anything…I don’t know if changing terminology will make a big difference as far as a person’s behavior goes, but we all certainly have the right to be addressed in a respectful manner. I think many “junkies” may have chemical imbalances in their brain, and opiates correct this. So, the determination to keep using may have more to do with the person finally feeling ‘complete’–and not the ever-pounded-in idea that ‘once a junkie always a junkie’. Also, most of the problems that arrise from heroin use have more to do with its prohibition, which causes it to be so expensive. I did heroin for years, but I never stole or anything–I continued to work my ass off at my job. But it did take all my money, and alot of my possessions ended up in the pawn shop. It did not change who I was basically as a person. Furthermore, if the doctors I went to see before I had ever started opiates, had given me the benzodiazepines that I requested (for I have very bad nerves and panic attacks) there’s a good chance that I never would have gotten hooked on heroin…although, I must admit, that opiates did what benzos did for me plus alot more. It’s very darkly funny and ironic that doctors have no problem with putting someone on prozac or some tricyclic anti-depressant for the rest of the patients lives, but act as though one is insane to request the same thing for other more controversial drugs.
Also, as far as methadone goes–and I do have experience with this drug, both through research and the fact that I’ve been a patient for 7 years–I think very, very few people truly need a dose over 50 milligrams…Now, if they’ve been really heavy users of heroin, yes, they might not be immediately comfortable at 50 milligrams..but if they gave it a little time, I believe it would soon ‘hold’ them just fine. Of course, there are exceptions. But let me say this: clinics are very frustrating; they are all different, some better than others…Profit making clinics will start someone on methadone before they even get back the results showing opiates..a person could take a couple Tylenol 3’s (with codeine) and then start on a very powerful painkiller. I was very skeptical myself when I first started on methadone–it hard to believe that what looks like a few drops of red liquid, or one small wafer, could possibly replace the half gram a day of mexican brown that I was shooting…But at 30 mgs, what they start one at, it held me most of the day; and by fifity, I was ready to stop…unfortunately, I still hadn’t gotten over the whole outlaw and needle fixation and continued to use, which gave them the excuse to keep raising my dose..I tried to explain to them that I wasn’t using because I was withdrawaling, but they wouldn’t listen. Profit making clinics–at least the one I went to–do everything in their power to get you totally addicted…And once they have you, forget about it! And if they don’t like ANYTHING that you’re doing, they hold the prospect of a rapid (10 day) detox over your head!
There will come a time, in most addicts lives, when they decide that they either want to be free of opiates–maybe, maybe not–but it won’t take long for the person to become totally fed up with jumping thru the hoops of a clinic–depending on how bad or good the clinic is. My opinion is this–if you want to get off heroin, methadone is a great way–but don’t stay on it longer than 6 months, and don’t go over, at the very highest, 100 milligrams. That way, getting off won’t be too hard…and if you re-lapse, you can always try again. But if you stay on methadone, at any dose really, but esp. a high one, for over two years, it will change your body chemistry and get into every part of your body–stored in your liver, bones, etc. And if you ever decide to get off..well, your chances are very slim, unless you are able to handle withdrawal very well, or can get to a treatment program, like one of the ibogaine ones–and even then, you are still going to have to go thru hell to be free. Methadone makes kicking Heroin seem easy…and it’s not the intensity…in fact, Heroin, for the worse period, is more intense–it’s the duration of the withdrawal that does one in…At the VERY least, you will withdrawal for a solid month. But most people experience pretty intense withdrawal for about two months, and lingering withdrawal for up to a year. And unlike Heroin withdrawal, where you occasionaly wear yourself out enough to sleep, YOU WILL NOT SLEEP A WINK during methadone withdrawal. I once missed just two days (and real withdrawal doesn’t even begin till the 3rd or 4th day). I took about 15 milligrams of Xanax, in desperation for sleep. And I did sleep–for about one hour. Then I was wide awake again! And the Xanax were good, because I had a helluva time walking..but no sleep. You get like a slingshot effect…from being sedated for so long, when it wears off, everything is painfully intense. This is party due to the fact that when you withdrawal, your body releases adrenaline. Methadone can be an angel of mercy–it can also be your worse nightmare. So, I would be very carefull in advocating to anyone larger doses…unless they don’t mind staying on it for the rest of their lives….and there’s also always the possibility that one of these many over-due catastrophes (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, asteroids, birdflu, hurricanes, etc) may strike, destroying the infrastructure of your town or a larger area. Image, on top of all the other hell, the suffering that methadone patients went thru in New Orleans after Katrina?
Well, I tent to be long-winded, and I apologize if I’ve rambled on for too long. I just feel very strongly about these issues. I wish you all well! We need to get ibogaine approved for use in the U.S.! I’ve finally found something that could help, and once again it’s blocked by the crazy legislations of this country!

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date:  Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:25:18 -0500
>>Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself
>>and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far
>>more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these
>>guys.<
>
>Calling someone a “fucking junky” (have you ever been a “fucking
>junkie” Nick? And why are you talking about “you” again? How do you
>know what it does for other people, to be called a “fucking junkie”
>anyway?) is just plain meanspirited, rude, not to mention prejudiced
>and completely unconstructive, and to top it off, perpetuates the
>prohibitionist mind-set that all junkies are scum and not as human
>as non-users and junkies, and therefore don’t deserve love,
>compassion and understanding. And it’s pathetic.
>
>>I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of
>>how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already
>>present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to
>>anaesthetize it for a while.<
>
>You have a point Nick, in that I too feel that much heroin use is
>due to some self-esteem issues in SOME folk. But I’m completely at a
>loss as to your last sentence, about how those who take full
>responsibility for their life don’t get to be called a “junkie,” as
>it appears to me that you feel all heroin users are “fucking
>junkies” anyway Nick.
>
>
>—–
>”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright
>
>Peace and love.
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:57 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on
>stigma and methadone
>
>
>Hi Howard,
>
>Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest
>that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence
>will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has
>been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a
>period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks
>of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily
>stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it
>takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go
>on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify.
>Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away
>some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does
>also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your
>awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of
>self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms
>put out by these guys.
>
>I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of
>how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already
>present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to
>anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the
>posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another
>protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who
>takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie,
>regardless of their drug-using history.
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>Sent: 27 March 2006 18:30
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
>and methadone
>
>There have seen some posts to lists that I thought interesting to
>cross post with the permission of the author.  Here is one from
>Herman Joseph who worked on early methadone research with Dole and
>Nyswander.
>
>Howard
>
>
>
>Subj: Re: [namaadvocate] Vancouver
>Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:49:51 AM
>From: urherman@earthlink.net
>To: namaadvocate@yahoogroups.com
>
>I met the wonderful insightful Bill Nelles  at the last harm
>reduction
>conference in Belfast as well as others including the Dutch harm
>reduction
>people who are responsible for this vocabulary and they are
>stubborn. Only
>the patients can confront them being identified as patients
>—However,
>they will tell you that 75% of the patients in Holland accept the
>substitution concept–in my opinion  because that is what they have
>been
>told either overtly or covertly and by professional attitudes. While
>Holland has good accessibility to programs and has pioneered the use
>of
>methadone buses and needle exchange they have a distorted
>understanding of
>what methadone really does and initially they have been a low dose
>country
>never prescribing above 80 mg/dy with many patients receiving sub
>therapeutic doses of 40 and below –In recent  years this has
>changed
>somewhat but the old concepts remain: patients now receive higher
>doses
>but substitution is the word and methadone user/client.  The harm
>reduction
>language and English slang expressions have really contributed to
>the
>stigmatization of the medication, the treatment and the patients.
>Dr. Dole
>is on our side-he realizes the full power of language to induce
>stigma.
>Stigmatizing language is not semantics, it reduces ones status. Dole
>and
>Nyswander never used the words substitution and user–They and I
>feel that
>patients should be uplifted with the vocabulary to express what
>methadone
>and now buprenorphine are -long acting agonist medications to treat
>the
>physiological impairments of opioid addiction.  Medication and
>patients
>-not substitution and user/ clients
>Lastly and this is my old refrain –it is the patients who must
>define how
>they and their treatment are to be regarded –not the nurses, not
>the
>social workers, not the doctors, not the world Health Organization,
>not the
>researchers, not the sociologists, not the psychologists, not the
>harm
>reduction workers. not the administrators.  The quality of patient
>lives is
>at stake with the stigma issue and it must be resolved. Lastly the
>professionals can always earn a living–the stigmatized patients may
>not.
>I will be at both the AATOD and Harm Reduction conferences
>Herman
>
>
>
>
>
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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 7:38:55 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 29 March 2006 06:25
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
and methadone

Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on
yourself and can
draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so
than some
of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.<

Calling someone a “fucking junky” (have you ever been a “fucking junkie”
Nick? And why are you talking about “you” again? How do you know what it
does for other people, to be called a “fucking junkie” anyway?) is just
plain meanspirited, rude, not to mention prejudiced and completely
unconstructive, and to top it off, perpetuates the prohibitionist
mind-set
that all junkies are scum and not as human as non-users and junkies, and
therefore don’t deserve love, compassion and understanding. And it’s
pathetic.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how
society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and
heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
while.<

You have a point Nick, in that I too feel that much heroin use is due to
some self-esteem issues in SOME folk. But I’m completely at a loss as to
your last sentence, about how those who take full responsibility
for their
life don’t get to be called a “junkie,” as it appears to me that you feel
all heroin users are “fucking junkies” anyway Nick.

 

Hey Preston,

“No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a
junkie, regardless of their drug-using history” – means exactly what it says
on the tin to me. I stand by that statement as it’s my experience this is
so.

As to being prejudiced against addicts, I’m not, except when they’re being a
real pain in the arse in the group room, and even then I’m just complaining,
as I do about other people without addiction issues, and other people do
about me when I’m being a pain. Frankly, I don’t even label people as
“addicts” in a therapy situation, they’re just more participants. This has
nothing to do with prejudice, it’s about the reality of taking people who
want to move away from addiction to that space. I’m putting out my opinion,
and you can read into it what you like, create from it what you like, read
into it whatever you like, rearrange bits and manipulate from it whatever
you like. Or you can accept it as my truth.

Nick

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 12:25:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.<

Calling someone a “fucking junky” (have you ever been a “fucking junkie” Nick? And why are you talking about “you” again? How do you know what it does for other people, to be called a “fucking junkie” anyway?) is just plain meanspirited, rude, not to mention prejudiced and completely unconstructive, and to top it off, perpetuates the prohibitionist mind-set that all junkies are scum and not as human as non-users and junkies, and therefore don’t deserve love, compassion and understanding. And it’s pathetic.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while.<

You have a point Nick, in that I too feel that much heroin use is due to some self-esteem issues in SOME folk. But I’m completely at a loss as to your last sentence, about how those who take full responsibility for their life don’t get to be called a “junkie,” as it appears to me that you feel all heroin users are “fucking junkies” anyway Nick.

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—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 27 March 2006 18:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

There have seen some posts to lists that I thought interesting to cross post with the permission of the author.  Here is one from Herman Joseph who worked on early methadone research with Dole and Nyswander.

Howard

 

Subj: Re: [namaadvocate] Vancouver
Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:49:51 AM
From: urherman@earthlink.net
To: namaadvocate@yahoogroups.com

I met the wonderful insightful Bill Nelles  at the last harm reduction
conference in Belfast as well as others including the Dutch harm reduction
people who are responsible for this vocabulary and they are stubborn. Only
the patients can confront them being identified as patients —However,
they will tell you that 75% of the patients in Holland accept the
substitution concept–in my opinion  because that is what they have been
told either overtly or covertly and by professional attitudes. While
Holland has good accessibility to programs and has pioneered the use of
methadone buses and needle exchange they have a distorted understanding of
what methadone really does and initially they have been a low dose country
never prescribing above 80 mg/dy with many patients receiving sub
therapeutic doses of 40 and below –In recent  years this has changed
somewhat but the old concepts remain: patients now receive higher doses
but substitution is the word and methadone user/client.  The harm reduction
language and English slang expressions have really contributed to the
stigmatization of the medication, the treatment and the patients.  Dr. Dole
is on our side-he realizes the full power of language to induce stigma.
Stigmatizing language is not semantics, it reduces ones status. Dole and
Nyswander never used the words substitution and user–They and I feel that
patients should be uplifted with the vocabulary to express what methadone
and now buprenorphine are -long acting agonist medications to treat the
physiological impairments of opioid addiction.  Medication and patients
-not substitution and user/ clients
Lastly and this is my old refrain –it is the patients who must define how
they and their treatment are to be regarded –not the nurses, not the
social workers, not the doctors, not the world Health Organization, not the
researchers, not the sociologists, not the psychologists, not the harm
reduction workers. not the administrators.  The quality of patient lives is
at stake with the stigma issue and it must be resolved. Lastly the
professionals can always earn a living–the stigmatized patients may not.
I will be at both the AATOD and Harm Reduction conferences
Herman

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie
Date: March 29, 2006 at 1:02:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>Guess what?  We got a record deal via Sleaze Sisters in London!  Promos coming out next month.  Being released on Universal Records.<

I’ve regretted not hooking up for coffee/whathaveyou when you wrote me Brenda (but hopefully you’ll understand that I wasn’t in exactly a decent state for meeting new people at that point), but I’m hoping too that you’ll let us know when this promo is being released and that we’ll get to have a listen.
Peace, love and lotsof respect.
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Peace and love.
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—– Original Message —–
From: brenda brewer
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie

Callie,

If you could entertain this thought for a moment:  the “part of you that is addicted” is only one small part and does not have to run your life with all the physical and emotional side effects that comes with it.  I’ll speak to this more specifically in a moment.

When I took my final drink, I was on my 3rd drink.  All of a sudden I had a transcendental experience where I looked at my hand and felt I was looking at someone else holding the drink (very common in the process of spiritual inquiry).  I recognized that “I” was the one watching but it was not *really* I who was doing the drinking – not the real me anyway.  It was my real first separation of myself and my addictive voice or addicted self (false self).

Now, at the secular recovery meetings I attend we talk about that addictive voice and the many ways it shows up – and we speak from our truer selves, the part of us not addicted – it is in there!  In this way, we make the true part stronger, or bring it back to the forefront, and the addicted part weaker and it fades from our consciousness so we no longer identify with it.  It may always be there, locked away, may try to re-emerge in times of stress, but we learn how to deal when and if it does.

Not knowing this kept me away from recovery for years – and I hated the word recovery!  But, I am recovering and I will and I don’t have to go to AA!  Yee ha!  And Ibogaine helps unravel the underlying causes so getting to therapy/aftercare asap is critical but not all is lost if one doesn’t – as long as your alive there’s hope 🙂

Oh. The financial part – yes, I was a mess.  I was so desperate that I took one of those payday loans and paid like 400% interest when I returned.  It was SO worth it though!  But,  I was ready to quit my music career last October – that how the alcohol had screwed up my brain.  Guess what?  We got a record deal via Sleaze Sisters in London!  Promos coming out next month.  Being released on Universal Records.

I almost lost all of that.

Love ya,

brenda

On 3/28/06 6:32 AM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

> Brenda, I am so happy for you.The information you offer is so very  important
> to others who have not had the Ibogaine experience. Deciding to  interrupt
> addictive behavior is a HUGE step. It is financially a big step  too, so to go
> into the experience without a complete plan is a mistake. BUT, it  is typical
> addict/alcoholic behavior to not have a plan for the months  after.
> Being an addict I can say that desiring to get rid of addiction is probably
> number one on my ‘wish list’. If I am honest though I will acknowledge that I
> can never be entirely rid of addiction. It is a part of who I am whether I
> like  it or not.
> It is wonderful that you say you feel ‘part of it all’. I know the feeling
> of alienating myself and feeling I am different from everyone. I usually blame
> that on other people thinking they are better than me but really it is I who
> feels I am not as good as everyone else.
> You keep on keeping on Brenda! Share your accomplishments and mistakes. To
> hear those things help me.
> toodles, Callie
>


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals
650-906-2543

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] US Embassy recommends coca tea…
Date: March 29, 2006 at 3:04:08 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=51732
Published: Sunday, March 26, 2006
Bylined to: Niko Kyriakou
US embassy in Bolivia recommends coca tea to help alleviate altitude sickness
The (Caracas) Daily Journal (Niko Kyriakou): The war against coca … the plant used to make cocaine … has become a defining issue for U.S. policy in South America, yet many people outside South America know little about the plant the US. is fighting against.
In a meeting with newly elected Bolivian President Evo Morales earlier this month, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sought renewed cooperation between the two countries to counter drug trafficking, but it was the coca leaf that captured headlines.
Morales, a former coca farmer who calls himself pro-coca but anti-cocaine, ended his half-hour meeting with Rice by giving her a guitar decorated with real coca leaves sealed under lacquer.
While the gesture bears a mark of humor, in the context of Morales’ wider stance on coca, the message seems designed to point out the importance of the plant to South American culture, and not — as it is often perceived in the United States — to illicit markets.
Morales still serves as head of the coca farmers’ union that lifted him to power. He has increased the allowed level of coca cultivation to about 1,600 square meters per family since taking office last December. At his inaugural dinner, Morales served coca wine, coca cake, and coca cookies.
In Bolivia’s Andean neighbor Peru, presidential candidate and retired Lt. Col. Ollanta Humala announced in mid-March that if the left-wing Humala wins Peru’s presidency in April, he plans to serve poor children bread made from flour containing five percent coca.
While coca gains top-level approval in various parts of Latin America, in the US coca remains taboo. If a US politician were to suggest giving children coca it would be seen not just as political suicide, but as a criminal act.
And that difference in perspective reflects a vast gap between US and South American experience of a substance with a known history stretching back long before Christopher Columbus’s landfall, times when the Incas controlled much of the continent.
For thousands of years, coca has been a rich source of nutrients for poor South Americans.
snip-

Read Complete Article at Above URL

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 2:19:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 20:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
and methadone

 

In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

 

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma
and methadone

 

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that
changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have
a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a
narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then
it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will
have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using
drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to
overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after
recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to
“addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor
bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called
“a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw
someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of
the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how
society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and
heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low
self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the
stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full
responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of
their drug-using history.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people
are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act
and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in
both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as
other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but,
having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it
easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing
moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to
change or moderate in your life.

Howard

Hi Howard,

I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing language
does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely
counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think
that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc
terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible for
your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to
you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how
we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of
potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, is
quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore
irresponsible.

Nick

Hi Nick,

How we view ourselves is ultimately “down to us,” however we are all the
products of our environments in part.  If we were not defined negatively
we would not perceive ourselves as negative.  I would opt for your
recognition that it is damaging to many and have to weight that heavily
than it being rather beneficial to a few and I would add, very few.  So
I guess we will just have to disagree on whether treating people kindly
and with respect precipitates a better return than treating them cruelly
and with disrespect.  On the issue “that if the treatment of chemical
dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would
suffer”  I have to disagree.  At the time I passed Herman Joseph’s post
to this list I had, with permission, also provided a post from the
addict-L list to the methadone list.  Maybe that would add useful
discussion here and so I will present it as well.  See below.

Howard

To the List:

But really, being ambivalent about treatment is not unique to
addiction.  Who hasn’t put off getting an annual physical?  It’s
common to dread surgery, mammograms, prostate evaluations.  Cancer
patients become almost phobic about receiving courses of cancer
chemotherapy.  Schizophrenics often can’t stand taking their
medications because of the way the agents make them feel.  Even blood
pressure medication compliance is poor.  Most diabetics do a terrible
job with giving themselves insulin shots.  And diet and exercise
instructions are more typically ignored than adopted.

For all conditions other than addiction, such reluctance and
half-hearted compliance is managed primarily by encouragment,
patience, and empathy.  Only with addiction is this same phenomenon
pathologized and turned into a blame game.  Approaching an addict’s
reluctance the same way a clinician would approach a sufferer of any
other disease becomes labelled as “co-dependent” or “enabling.”

That’s all hogwash.  Having any disease sucks.  Having to have
treatment for any disease sucks.  Being reluctant and ambivalent about
receiving treatment for any disease is simply normal human behavior,
not “addict behavior.”  People with addictions are entitled to the
same level of respect, professionalism, tolerance, and patience as
those who suffer other diseases.

Best wishes,

Steve
Steve Coulter, MD

 

 

Howard,

I am not advocating an inhumane approach. This is not what it is about
at all. I am saying that, for me, empowerment of the individual is the
core means by which dependence can be broken long-term. And the absolute
core of this approach is to adopt the position “I am 100% responsible
for everything that happens to me.” It takes time, often a lot of time,
and a lot of work is needed before someone can take this position. If a
therapist starts from the position that addiction is the result of
societal conditioning, I think it greatly weakens the process. That’s my
opinion.

Working with people, some with addiction issues, others with different
issues, it’s clear to me that treating addiction does have specific
angles to it that make it distinct from other conditions. Again and
again in addicts I do see this absolutely resolute desire not to
self-examine, not to look at their behaviour. A lot of addicts are
fucking great people, frankly, imo. But this issue is present, this
incredible capacity to avoid. When treatment starts to go more down the
pc road, I think you also have to check in that you’re not simply
patronizing the whole “poor baby” routine. It is a very easy thing to be
popular with addicts, the easiest thing in the world, actually. You just
adopt a position that enables them to continue avoiding. It is easy to
take a humane approach. What’s tougher is to stand up and say it like it
is.

Nick

 

In a way I wouldn’t like to do to others what I would not want to be done
to me,
if I were in the same position.

Sara

 

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 29, 2006 at 1:58:14 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 20:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

 

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate in your life.

Howard

Hi Howard,

I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing language does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible for your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, is quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore irresponsible.

Nick

Hi Nick,

How we view ourselves is ultimately “down to us,” however we are all the products of our environments in part.  If we were not defined negatively we would not perceive ourselves as negative.  I would opt for your recognition that it is damaging to many and have to weight that heavily than it being rather beneficial to a few and I would add, very few.  So I guess we will just have to disagree on whether treating people kindly and with respect precipitates a better return than treating them cruelly and with disrespect.  On the issue “that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would suffer”  I have to disagree.  At the time I passed Herman Joseph’s post to this list I had, with permission, also provided a post from the addict-L list to the methadone list.  Maybe that would add useful discussion here and so I will present it as well.  See below.

Howard

To the List:

But really, being ambivalent about treatment is not unique to addiction.  Who hasn’t put off getting an annual physical?  It’s common to dread surgery, mammograms, prostate evaluations.  Cancer patients become almost phobic about receiving courses of cancer chemotherapy.  Schizophrenics often can’t stand taking their medications because of the way the agents make them feel.  Even blood pressure medication compliance is poor.  Most diabetics do a terrible job with giving themselves insulin shots.  And diet and exercise instructions are more typically ignored than adopted.

For all conditions other than addiction, such reluctance and half-hearted compliance is managed primarily by encouragment, patience, and empathy.  Only with addiction is this same phenomenon pathologized and turned into a blame game.  Approaching an addict’s reluctance the same way a clinician would approach a sufferer of any other disease becomes labelled as “co-dependent” or “enabling.”

That’s all hogwash.  Having any disease sucks.  Having to have treatment for any disease sucks.  Being reluctant and ambivalent about receiving treatment for any disease is simply normal human behavior, not “addict behavior.”  People with addictions are entitled to the same level of respect, professionalism, tolerance, and patience as those who suffer other diseases.

Best wishes,

Steve
Steve Coulter, MD

 

Howard,

I am not advocating an inhumane approach. This is not what it is about at all. I am saying that, for me, empowerment of the individual is the core means by which dependence can be broken long-term. And the absolute core of this approach is to adopt the position “I am 100% responsible for everything that happens to me.” It takes time, often a lot of time, and a lot of work is needed before someone can take this position. If a therapist starts from the position that addiction is the result of societal conditioning, I think it greatly weakens the process. That’s my opinion.

Working with people, some with addiction issues, others with different issues, it’s clear to me that treating addiction does have specific angles to it that make it distinct from other conditions. Again and again in addicts I do see this absolutely resolute desire not to self-examine, not to look at their behaviour. A lot of addicts are fucking great people, frankly, imo. But this issue is present, this incredible capacity to avoid. When treatment starts to go more down the pc road, I think you also have to check in that you’re not simply patronizing the whole “poor baby” routine. It is a very easy thing to be popular with addicts, the easiest thing in the world, actually. You just adopt a position that enables them to continue avoiding. It is easy to take a humane approach. What’s tougher is to stand up and say it like it is.

Nick

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 7:32:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m the one in agreement with you Krista.

Howard

In a message dated 3/28/06 5:06:48 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com writes:

I’m sure that both of you can phrase things better than I can, but in
my experience and that of being around people who are “junkies” or
“crackheads” the low level of self esteem is horrible and usually one
of the major problems that pushes people over the edge back into
relapse.

People have loads of problems from all over, abuse, dual diagnosis,
you name it, but what does not help at all are the years or decades of
abuse that the medical establishment and police state has heaped on to
of all that, until people don’t even consider themselves human
anymore, because they’ve been told for so long they’re not.

Being stigmatized is a huge problem, it’s not about being politically
correct, how about treating someone like a human being! I don’t think
anybody has the right to get self righteous at drug addicts, anymore
then someone getting self righteous at a diabetic with their insulin
or someone who needs heart medication. If drug addiction is a disease,
then why are those who suffer from this disease treated so much worse
then everybody else? Is it ok to do that?

KV

On 3/28/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>  In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>
>  From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>  Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
>  To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and
> methadone
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
>  Hi Howard,
>
>  Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that
> changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a
> significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a
> narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s
> pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been
> hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s
> reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of
> awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people
> will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes
> away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also
> have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on
> yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far
> more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.
>
>  I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how
> society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and
> heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
> while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem
> is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can
> always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets
> to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.
>
>  Nick
>
>
>  Hi Nick,
>
>  I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are
> treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and
> respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long
> and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other
> environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having
> another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to
> gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or
> stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate
> in your life.
>
>  Howard

 

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Way OT…but beautiful!Check out Perpetual Ocean ~ Peter Miller
Date: March 28, 2006 at 7:29:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Perpetual Ocean ~ Peter Miller

These are absolutely beautiful! Hope you enjoy!
Callie

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie
Date: March 28, 2006 at 6:01:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s so good to hear you that positive, Brenda!!  Keep up the good
work.  My life is changing very quickly, but I think in a very
positive direction, for once, as well.  I’m sending you tons of love-
tink

On 3/28/06, brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
Callie,

My decision to do Ibogaine saved my life in many ways – my health, my
relationships, my career – everything.  My relapse was a very important
learning experience for me that helped my process along.

My follow through with aftercare is what is rounding out the whole
experience and make each part work –  I think anyone doing Ibogaine for
addiction interruption without an aftercare plan is wasting their time.

I’m beginning the experience of thriving now.  I’m sitting next to a
sizzling fireplace in a seaside resort home in Monterey, CA wind howling
outside.  I’m vacationing here with my boyfriend’s family sipping on a cup
of chamomile tea and I feel a part of it all.

And I’m going for everything I have ever dreamed of – I almost gave up
those dreams before Ibogaine.

brenda

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Eclipse
Date: March 28, 2006 at 5:57:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2006 1:15 AM
Subject: Solar Eclipse
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for March 28, 2006
http://spaceweather.com

Parts of Brazil, Africa, Turkey, central Asia and Mongolia: These are
places where people can see a total eclipse of the sun on Wednesday,
March 29th.  A partial eclipse will be visible over a much wider area,
including all of Europe.  Astronauts onboard the International Space
Station will have the rarest view of all.  The station is due to pass
over Turkey while the eclipse is in progress there, giving astronauts
a magnificent view—not of the sun, but of the moon’s cool shadow.

Visit spaceweather.com for full coverage, including an animated
eclipse map, links to live webcasts, and a simulated view from the
International Space Station.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

To unsubscribe click here:
http://www.spaceweather2.com/u?id=665828G&n=T&l=spaceweather
or send a blank email to leave-spaceweather-665828G@www.spaceweather2.com

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From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 5:04:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sure that both of you can phrase things better than I can, but in
my experience and that of being around people who are “junkies” or
“crackheads” the low level of self esteem is horrible and usually one
of the major problems that pushes people over the edge back into
relapse.

People have loads of problems from all over, abuse, dual diagnosis,
you name it, but what does not help at all are the years or decades of
abuse that the medical establishment and police state has heaped on to
of all that, until people don’t even consider themselves human
anymore, because they’ve been told for so long they’re not.

Being stigmatized is a huge problem, it’s not about being politically
correct, how about treating someone like a human being! I don’t think
anybody has the right to get self righteous at drug addicts, anymore
then someone getting self righteous at a diabetic with their insulin
or someone who needs heart medication. If drug addiction is a disease,
then why are those who suffer from this disease treated so much worse
then everybody else? Is it ok to do that?

KV

On 3/28/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and
methadone

 

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that
changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a
significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a
narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s
pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been
hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s
reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of
awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people
will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes
away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also
have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on
yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far
more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how
society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and
heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a
while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem
is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can
always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets
to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are
treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and
respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long
and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other
environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having
another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to
gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or
stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate
in your life.

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] What’s up wih Stanley?
Date: March 28, 2006 at 3:32:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s the one with Hane’s No Way Panties… LOLOLOLOLOL
Hi Everyone!!!
love tink

On 3/28/06, biscuitboy714@aol.com <biscuitboy714@aol.com> wrote:

News flash from Albany Med…………………. Severe morphine
shortage at Albany Med. Heroin going for a premeum price amogst Glick’s
untreated rat’s. I wonder how his research is going.
Randy
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder
Readings

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46452

Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings

gotta go to the URL above to read this.
GO Onion.

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?” ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: OT southern versus northern hemisphere…
Date: March 28, 2006 at 2:24:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you know, I didn’t realize how far away you are from my computer Kirk!! You and your keyboard are a LLLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG way from Tennessee, USA!!!
I think Autumn is my favorite season here. Beautiful colors. What kind of trees do y’all have ‘down under’?
Callie

Um, we got big ones n small ones wif trunks n branches n leafs n stuff…….

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 2:16:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/28/06 12:57:21 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

 

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate in your life.

Howard

Hi Howard,

I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing language does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible for your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, is quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore irresponsible.

Nick

Hi Nick,

How we view ourselves is ultimately “down to us,” however we are all the products of our environments in part.  If we were not defined negatively we would not perceive ourselves as negative.  I would opt for your recognition that it is damaging to many and have to weight that heavily than it being rather beneficial to a few and I would add, very few.  So I guess we will just have to disagree on whether treating people kindly and with respect precipitates a better return than treating them cruelly and with disrespect.  On the issue “that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would suffer”  I have to disagree.  At the time I passed Herman Joseph’s post to this list I had, with permission, also provided a post from the addict-L list to the methadone list.  Maybe that would add useful discussion here and so I will present it as well.  See below.

Howard

To the List:

But really, being ambivalent about treatment is not unique to addiction.  Who hasn’t put off getting an annual physical?  It’s common to dread surgery, mammograms, prostate evaluations.  Cancer patients become almost phobic about receiving courses of cancer chemotherapy.  Schizophrenics often can’t stand taking their medications because of the way the agents make them feel.  Even blood pressure medication compliance is poor.  Most diabetics do a terrible job with giving themselves insulin shots.  And diet and exercise instructions are more typically ignored than adopted.

For all conditions other than addiction, such reluctance and half-hearted compliance is managed primarily by encouragment, patience, and empathy.  Only with addiction is this same phenomenon pathologized and turned into a blame game.  Approaching an addict’s reluctance the same way a clinician would approach a sufferer of any other disease becomes labelled as “co-dependent” or “enabling.”

That’s all hogwash.  Having any disease sucks.  Having to have treatment for any disease sucks.  Being reluctant and ambivalent about receiving treatment for any disease is simply normal human behavior, not “addict behavior.”  People with addictions are entitled to the same level of respect, professionalism, tolerance, and patience as those who suffer other diseases.

Best wishes,

Steve
Steve Coulter, MD

 

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for Chi
Date: March 28, 2006 at 2:26:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s all good, panic not dear aussie one, was when your emails were coming
in twice….seems Jasen having a bit of trubble with it too, you got a Koala
bear stuck in the lines somewhere??
Heheh ;o)

Kirsty……huh???? im lost, wots the huh for??? (dont forget, me stoopid
australian)
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Chi….. huh????

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 8:33 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked

a

sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT
THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the
pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of
it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all
the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still
on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the
early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment
no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted
and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —–
From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading
it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African
plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to
provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even
idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web
pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African
lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal
help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world
may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 12:33:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: 28 March 2006 16:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi Howard,
 
Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.
 
I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.
 
Nick
Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate in your life.

Howard

Hi Howard,

I totally agree. Negative feedback or the use of stigmatizing language does not serve all situations well, and for many would be completely counter-productive. But it is a very useful tool at times, and I think that if the treatment of chemical dependence became embroiled in pc terminology only the user would suffer. Finally, you are responsible for your self-esteem, it has nothing to do with what the other is saying to you. Yes, we need compassion and help along the way but in the end how we view ourselves is down to us. For me, to ascribe such a level of potential benefit to the use of more gentle language, as Herman does, is quite counter-productive to treating dependence, and furthermore irresponsible.

Nick

 

From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..
Date: March 28, 2006 at 10:19:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

SHHHHH your interupting the jazz 😮
😉

On 3/27/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Lol who you callin a snob ya freak? (im seriously kidding here….)
Actually that was a line off the movie “the commitments” I couldn’t resist
throwing it in.,.. shoulda quoted it didn’t neva mind.
Im maybe one of the least snobby music lovers on the planet….i listen to
just about every genre of music there is. Bar a couple, I think you’d probly
guess what they are…. (“We got both kainds of music, Country AND Western”
Blues Brothers.  In saying that I love Johnny Cash…)
Ok,
S’all gewd.
CK

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 11:47 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

to each their own. I spent a long time being a “music snob” but as noted
just one or two posts back, music is therapy, and while I might not
appreciate jazz so much, it’s Music still, and moves many in ways that
Kyuss/Queens of the Stone
Age/IronMaiden/Bauhaus/Cure/BasementJaxx/FreelanceHellraiser move me (btw,
if anyone has FH’s mashup of BasementJaxx/Clash, I’d LOVE to have the MP3,
so write me off list, please if so and can help- I can’t find it, not even
here in Manhattan- AND, if anyone down in Oz can find and burn me a copy of
Bady Doll’s first album, I’d be eternally grateful as NO ONE here as EVER
heard of them, and I LOVE their first album, having heard it in Amsterdam
but as noted cannot at all find it here).

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

How funny, I’ve always looked at Jazz as a form of Musical Wanking……..
hmm

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 4:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie
Date: March 28, 2006 at 11:41:16 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

If you could entertain this thought for a moment:  the “part of you that is addicted” is only one small part and does not have to run your life with all the physical and emotional side effects that comes with it.  I’ll speak to this more specifically in a moment.

When I took my final drink, I was on my 3rd drink.  All of a sudden I had a transcendental experience where I looked at my hand and felt I was looking at someone else holding the drink (very common in the process of spiritual inquiry).  I recognized that “I” was the one watching but it was not *really* I who was doing the drinking – not the real me anyway.  It was my real first separation of myself and my addictive voice or addicted self (false self).

Now, at the secular recovery meetings I attend we talk about that addictive voice and the many ways it shows up – and we speak from our truer selves, the part of us not addicted – it is in there!  In this way, we make the true part stronger, or bring it back to the forefront, and the addicted part weaker and it fades from our consciousness so we no longer identify with it.  It may always be there, locked away, may try to re-emerge in times of stress, but we learn how to deal when and if it does.

Not knowing this kept me away from recovery for years – and I hated the word recovery!  But, I am recovering and I will and I don’t have to go to AA!  Yee ha!  And Ibogaine helps unravel the underlying causes so getting to therapy/aftercare asap is critical but not all is lost if one doesn’t – as long as your alive there’s hope 🙂

Oh. The financial part – yes, I was a mess.  I was so desperate that I took one of those payday loans and paid like 400% interest when I returned.  It was SO worth it though!  But,  I was ready to quit my music career last October – that how the alcohol had screwed up my brain.  Guess what?  We got a record deal via Sleaze Sisters in London!  Promos coming out next month.  Being released on Universal Records.

I almost lost all of that.

Love ya,

brenda

On 3/28/06 6:32 AM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

> Brenda, I am so happy for you.The information you offer is so very  important
> to others who have not had the Ibogaine experience. Deciding to  interrupt
> addictive behavior is a HUGE step. It is financially a big step  too, so to go
> into the experience without a complete plan is a mistake. BUT, it  is typical
> addict/alcoholic behavior to not have a plan for the months  after.
> Being an addict I can say that desiring to get rid of addiction is probably
> number one on my ‘wish list’. If I am honest though I will acknowledge that I
> can never be entirely rid of addiction. It is a part of who I am whether I
> like  it or not.
> It is wonderful that you say you feel ‘part of it all’. I know the feeling
> of alienating myself and feeling I am different from everyone. I usually blame
> that on other people thinking they are better than me but really it is I who
> feels I am not as good as everyone else.
> You keep on keeping on Brenda! Share your accomplishments and mistakes. To
> hear those things help me.
> toodles, Callie
>


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals
650-906-2543

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 10:58:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/28/06 10:01:11 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I think it is all part and parcel of one big ball of wax.  How people are treated including how they are verbally treated effects how they act and respond.  Changes are not instantaneous and Herman means them in both long and short term and within a methadone maintenance as well as other environments.  And certainly people lay it all on themselves but, having another pushing it down your mouth all the time does not make it easier to gain your self-esteem, an important element in accomplishing moderating or stopping drug use or just about anything else you want to change or moderate in your life.

Howard

From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..
Date: March 28, 2006 at 10:22:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ha ha the blues brothers LOL

On 3/27/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Lol who you callin a snob ya freak? (im seriously kidding here….)
Actually that was a line off the movie “the commitments” I couldn’t resist
throwing it in.,.. shoulda quoted it didn’t neva mind.
Im maybe one of the least snobby music lovers on the planet….i listen to
just about every genre of music there is. Bar a couple, I think you’d probly
guess what they are…. (“We got both kainds of music, Country AND Western”
Blues Brothers.  In saying that I love Johnny Cash…)
Ok,
S’all gewd.
CK

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 11:47 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

to each their own. I spent a long time being a “music snob” but as noted
just one or two posts back, music is therapy, and while I might not
appreciate jazz so much, it’s Music still, and moves many in ways that
Kyuss/Queens of the Stone
Age/IronMaiden/Bauhaus/Cure/BasementJaxx/FreelanceHellraiser move me (btw,
if anyone has FH’s mashup of BasementJaxx/Clash, I’d LOVE to have the MP3,
so write me off list, please if so and can help- I can’t find it, not even
here in Manhattan- AND, if anyone down in Oz can find and burn me a copy of
Bady Doll’s first album, I’d be eternally grateful as NO ONE here as EVER
heard of them, and I LOVE their first album, having heard it in Amsterdam
but as noted cannot at all find it here).

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

How funny, I’ve always looked at Jazz as a form of Musical Wanking……..
hmm

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 4:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 28, 2006 at 10:18:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Music sounded much faster to me after ibogaine, as if it had increased
in tempo but that effect didn’t seem to last.  I find my hearing
changed at times though and I hear parts of music that I never noticed
particularly base parts.

Rock n roll makes me feel high and energised,  I needed to listen to
something more chilled while at work or I felt like exploding.

Luke

On 3/27/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
music definitely puts me in a “buzzed” state, and I’ve used music I can’t
count how many times to get through the worst of withdrawals- it seriously
helped me through weeks of methadone withdrawal years ago, combined with
pot.
Post ibogaine, I find I’m much more adventerous musically too.
Peace, love and respect.
Preston
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: biscuitboy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] What’s up wih Stanley?
Date: March 28, 2006 at 10:13:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

News flash from Albany Med…………………. Severe morphine shortage at Albany Med. Heroin going for a premeum price amogst Glick’s untreated rat’s. I wonder how his research is going.                Randy
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46452

Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings

gotta go to the URL above to read this.
GO Onion.

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?” ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Desire
Date: March 26, 2006 at 8:25:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

— Original Message —–
From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:34 AM

I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

Hey Bill,

Welcome mate,.I for one can say that sexual desire definitely comes back after
treatment.

When I was on methadone my sexual desire was diminished especially when I
was not exercising. Whenever I had a reduction, my sexual desire would come back until
I stabilised again. I remember an ex saying,..well,..that’s definitely a bonus to reducing.

After having an Ibo’ session, the big fella down there,..ok ok,..the little teeny fella down
there wouldn’t leave me alone he was up every morning looking for the crack of Dawn,..
and Dawn always came.

I found when I was on the methadone and I was exercising often then the desire would
get stronger,..if I stopped exercising it would diminish.

love, Jasen

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 28, 2006 at 9:57:36 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,

Personally, I still feel that it’s a bit of a fantasy to suggest that changing the terminology used in treating chemical dependence will have a significant effect in changing behaviour. If someone has been using a narcotic analgesic like heroin or methadone for a period of years, then it’s pretty inevitable, imo, that large chunks of their psyche will have been hard-wired to respond to many daily stimuli simply by using drugs. It’s reptilian brain stuff and it takes a lot of will power to overcome, a lot of awareness. It can go on for years, way after recovery, as a lot of people will testify. Changing the way we refer to “addicts” sounds nice and takes away some of the patient/doctor bullshit but stigmatizing language does also have its uses. Being called “a fucking junkie” focuses your awareness on yourself and can draw someone into deeper levels of self-examination, far more so than some of the touchy-feely pc terms put out by these guys.

I don’t think that using heroin induces low self esteem because of how society regards users, rather the low self-esteem is already present and heroin is the learned way the psyche has found to anaesthetize it for a while. In actuality, the adoption of the posture of having low self-esteem is, like the drug, merely another protection. And the stigmatization can always be removed. No one who takes full responsibility for their life gets to be called a junkie, regardless of their drug-using history.

Nick

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: 27 March 2006 18:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone

There have seen some posts to lists that I thought interesting to cross post with the permission of the author.  Here is one from Herman Joseph who worked on early methadone research with Dole and Nyswander.

Howard
Subj: Re: [namaadvocate] Vancouver 
Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:49:51 AM
From: urherman@earthlink.net
To: namaadvocate@yahoogroups.com

I met the wonderful insightful Bill Nelles  at the last harm reduction
conference in Belfast as well as others including the Dutch harm reduction
people who are responsible for this vocabulary and they are stubborn. Only
the patients can confront them being identified as patients —However,
they will tell you that 75% of the patients in Holland accept the
substitution concept–in my opinion  because that is what they have been
told either overtly or covertly and by professional attitudes. While
Holland has good accessibility to programs and has pioneered the use of
methadone buses and needle exchange they have a distorted understanding of
what methadone really does and initially they have been a low dose country
never prescribing above 80 mg/dy with many patients receiving sub
therapeutic doses of 40 and below –In recent  years this has changed
somewhat but the old concepts remain: patients now receive higher doses
but substitution is the word and methadone user/client.  The harm reduction
language and English slang expressions have really contributed to the
stigmatization of the medication, the treatment and the patients.  Dr. Dole
is on our side-he realizes the full power of language to induce stigma.
Stigmatizing language is not semantics, it reduces ones status. Dole and
Nyswander never used the words substitution and user–They and I feel that
patients should be uplifted with the vocabulary to express what methadone
and now buprenorphine are -long acting agonist medications to treat the
physiological impairments of opioid addiction.  Medication and patients
-not substitution and user/ clients
Lastly and this is my old refrain –it is the patients who must define how
they and their treatment are to be regarded –not the nurses, not the
social workers, not the doctors, not the world Health Organization, not the
researchers, not the sociologists, not the psychologists, not the harm
reduction workers. not the administrators.  The quality of patient lives is
at stake with the stigma issue and it must be resolved. Lastly the
professionals can always earn a living–the stigmatized patients may not.
I will be at both the AATOD and Harm Reduction conferences
Herman
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings
Date: March 28, 2006 at 9:44:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hahahahahahahaha!!! I love the Onion! Thanks Preston!
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 28, 2006 at 9:41:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:43:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix

That is quite a mix! Do you even feel the oxycontins? I would guess not since you report doing 15-25 a day.
I have found that Methadone blocks any euphoria or other desired actions from opiates. Honestly, if you double dose and are a dose short you would probably feel the same if you take the oxys or not.
I think that is your psychological obsession to ‘need’ those 15-25 oxys on a day without your Methadone. Physically you should not feel withdrawals if you go a day without dosing. I say that because Methadone is such a long acting substance.
I always think I feel like shit if I miss a day and don’t have my 115 mg of Methadone but it is psychological and not physical.
Peace out, Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie
Date: March 28, 2006 at 9:32:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda, I am so happy for you.The information you offer is so very important to others who have not had the Ibogaine experience. Deciding to interrupt addictive behavior is a HUGE step. It is financially a big step too, so to go into the experience without a complete plan is a mistake. BUT, it is typical addict/alcoholic behavior to not have a plan for the months after.
Being an addict I can say that desiring to get rid of addiction is probably number one on my ‘wish list’. If I am honest though I will acknowledge that I can never be entirely rid of addiction. It is a part of who I am whether I like it or not.
It is wonderful that you say you feel ‘part of it all’. I know the feeling of alienating myself and feeling I am different from everyone. I usually blame that on other people thinking they are better than me but really it is I who feels I am not as good as everyone else.
You keep on keeping on Brenda! Share your accomplishments and mistakes. To hear those things help me.
toodles, Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings
Date: March 28, 2006 at 6:20:06 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46452

Study: High Times Not A Gateway Magazine To Harder Readings

gotta go to the URL above to read this.
GO Onion.

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Dana/Road to Eleusis
Date: March 28, 2006 at 2:34:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dana,

I was surfing the web and came across a reference to The Road to Eleusis, Unveiling the Secrets of the Mysteries, by R. Gordon Wasson, Albert Hofmann and Carl Ruck. I really enjoyed Ruck’s presentation at the 2005 NYC Ibogaine Conference.  I am not sure if the pdf is for the complete book as it is being offered on the web for close to $300.00 so take a look at the pdf that is downloadable from the url below. Howard

http://www.egodeath.com/eleusis.pdf

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Callie
Date: March 28, 2006 at 1:18:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

My decision to do Ibogaine saved my life in many ways – my health, my relationships, my career – everything.  My relapse was a very important learning experience for me that helped my process along.

My follow through with aftercare is what is rounding out the whole experience and make each part work –  I think anyone doing Ibogaine for addiction interruption without an aftercare plan is wasting their time.

I’m beginning the experience of thriving now.  I’m sitting next to a sizzling fireplace in a seaside resort home in Monterey, CA wind howling outside.  I’m vacationing here with my boyfriend’s family sipping on a cup of chamomile tea and I feel a part of it all.

And I’m going for everything I have ever dreamed of – I almost gave up those dreams before Ibogaine.

brenda

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 28, 2006 at 12:15:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/27/06 11:12:13 PM, billjohnson6@sympatico.ca writes:

Is that the way it goes? and happily ever after 130 ml drink
meth daily and or 15-25 x40mg of Oxys

Sometimes and sometimes not.  Well, that is for the methadone part.  I just caught that you say you are using additionally 15- 25 40mg oxys.  That is quite a mix.  I’d like to hear from anyone who can report on treating a mix as described. And certainly I think everyone here would like to know what it is like for you to do it.  If you have cardiovascular disease of any type I would just say just forget it.

Whatever effect you can anticipate will be better than for any other pharmacotherapy I have ever heard of. The three, four or five key ibogaine web pages have a lot of information both technical and patient reports.

Howard

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 4:10:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirsty……huh???? im lost, wots the huh for??? (dont forget, me stoopid australian)
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Chi….. huh????

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 8:33 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a

sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT
THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all
the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still
on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading
it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal
help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

 

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 11:37:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey Bill, welcome to the Ibogaine list. A good list to be on.
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: OT southern versus northern hemisphere…
Date: March 27, 2006 at 11:41:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you know, I didn’t realize how far away you are from my computer Kirk!! You and your keyboard are a LLLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG way from Tennessee, USA!!!
I think Autumn is my favorite season here. Beautiful colors. What kind of trees do y’all have ‘down under’?
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Guy & Bill
Date: March 27, 2006 at 11:29:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

brenda, of course i can only go by your posts and you seem a lot better since January! You may be doing better than you realize. I am not taking away from the ‘relapse’ but you were a MESS before your Ibogaine.
I hear a calmer, maybe saner brenda!
hug yourself!
callie

 

From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Meth vs Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 11:09:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok I am just getting started and I have 2 computers that I use so I am getting things mixed up as far as trying to follow anything that yous are taliking about,

Thats OK though– I will still see if any person out there has really taken ibogaine after being on methadone for a year or 2?,. not to mention some inbetweens happenings, like when I over drink and am on empty/ like right now.

Couple of things to just get going here- so far I am very pleased with the good words that seem to be used here, Meaning it appears like this is a grownup site L.O.L. not a vulgar ,well you can  imagane. OK so you may slip here and there never mind eh!

Alright now, I have a problem(s) Many, my obvious one of course is that I am contemplating making this BIG plan to get the $3,000.00 or so together (got some spare change?) and go on a 3-5 day or so layover somewhere and have Ibogaine administered, fly back home (across country) and carry on my marry way , working eating sleeping and who knows, maybe my wife and I will re-start some fire,After all I will be RE-SET or at least free from my physical addiction and have little or no cravings???
Is that the way it goes? and happily ever after 130 ml drink meth daily and or 15-25 x40mg of Oxys
Can a guy speak freely here? I do not expect much yet I have recieved a reply x2 and that was very uplifting and I felt good to know someone actually heard me!!

I’ll stop now (writing,rambling)

Good night New people

Bill J

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: OT southern versus northern hemisphere…
Date: March 27, 2006 at 2:23:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Those of us here in the southern hemisphere are now in autumn and heading into winter…. not sure what that means for them bloody aussie folk, but here in Dunedin it means  ….brrr, but not too brrr just enough to be a pain lol.
So, embrace your spring and enjoy ya summer.
Koiky xx

oh, oops, never mind then.
;-))
I thought that seemed like I’d already answered it in some form, but thought you were just clarifying, so I too clarified.
So it’s all clear now.
Whew.
Hope you and everyone else is enjoying these first days of Spring- it’s gorgeous if still a bit cold here.
Lotsof respect.
—–
”If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

hey Preston, that was the same msg that i sent like a week ago, the computer servers playing up
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Again Chi, he’s mistaken if that’s really what was said- if, as Howard made very clear, one goes back to using at the Same Levels one was using previous to taking ibogaine, the risk is high. If one takes decreased amounts, the risks are seriously decreased as well.
Peace, love and respect.
—–
”Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano- 
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..
oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Desire
Date: March 27, 2006 at 2:25:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OK, it has to be said.  WHO IS DAWN?
Luff n laughter
Capt Kirk (yeh that’s what I said, Capt KIRK) lol

After having an Ibo’ session, the big fella down there,..ok ok,..the
little teeny fella down
there wouldn’t leave me alone he was up every morning looking for the
crack of Dawn,..
and Dawn always came.

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 1:57:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO, not just me then… although I guess it’s completely different for a woman!!!!
K

That’s a touchy subject!!!

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: 27 March 2006 08:04
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Guy, what was your, um….stamina like though??  Lol just curious….

—–Original Message—–
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 5:27 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Hi Bill, sex drive come back? You better believe it!!!!
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 27 March 2006 02:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have
just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very
recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT
SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE
AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and
I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the
program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do
not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries
I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the
potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse
every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a
bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I
am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this
$&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive
and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending
just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there
and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our
Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be
done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could
go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them
addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made
it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “FrantiÅ¡ek Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant
– I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help
is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Guy & Bill
Date: March 27, 2006 at 12:59:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi guys (and list),

Ii would err on the side of caution when it comes to aftercare.  The wonderful experience of having no urges does not last.  Mine was not so wonderful, I had no urges but I was very sick with the flu for a month – but that was just what it was.

I did my session at the end of Nov. – no aftercare set up.  At Christmas got on a plane to Mexico and my documents were not in order.  They put me back on the plane and that little addictive voice took over – free drinks!  Alcohol with-drawl is not pretty.

I slipped and slided for a few months quitting and starting.  Finally I went back to my doctor to get some substance abuse counseling, therapy, whatever.  Now, I’m going to secular recovery meetings and I am REALLY enjoying them!  I even have a friend close by in San Francisco who did Ibo that is going to be joining me sometime.

So, as they say, “relapses” can be very educational if you learn from them.  What’s cool is that I am learning about urges and the many different ways they can show up.  I may even do Ibo again 🙂

Did your Ibo providers suggest aftercare?  Mine did over and over.  I think I was really too much in a state of shock at the time because I had to fly right back to California.  But, it’s all good.  Thinking long-term, when you can, is really worth it.  Life is SO much better now!  I love myself more (even like myself!) and enjoying things again I had stopped enjoying a long tome ago – simple things.

Blessings and welcome to the list,

brenda

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] from methadone list – Herman Joseph on stigma and methadone
Date: March 27, 2006 at 12:30:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There have seen some posts to lists that I thought interesting to cross post with the permission of the author.  Here is one from Herman Joseph who worked on early methadone research with Dole and Nyswander.

Howard

Subj: Re: [namaadvocate] Vancouver
Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:49:51 AM
From: urherman@earthlink.net
To: namaadvocate@yahoogroups.com

I met the wonderful insightful Bill Nelles  at the last harm reduction
conference in Belfast as well as others including the Dutch harm reduction
people who are responsible for this vocabulary and they are stubborn. Only
the patients can confront them being identified as patients —However,
they will tell you that 75% of the patients in Holland accept the
substitution concept–in my opinion  because that is what they have been
told either overtly or covertly and by professional attitudes. While
Holland has good accessibility to programs and has pioneered the use of
methadone buses and needle exchange they have a distorted understanding of
what methadone really does and initially they have been a low dose country
never prescribing above 80 mg/dy with many patients receiving sub
therapeutic doses of 40 and below –In recent  years this has changed
somewhat but the old concepts remain: patients now receive higher doses
but substitution is the word and methadone user/client.  The harm reduction
language and English slang expressions have really contributed to the
stigmatization of the medication, the treatment and the patients.  Dr. Dole
is on our side-he realizes the full power of language to induce stigma.
Stigmatizing language is not semantics, it reduces ones status. Dole and
Nyswander never used the words substitution and user–They and I feel that
patients should be uplifted with the vocabulary to express what methadone
and now buprenorphine are -long acting agonist medications to treat the
physiological impairments of opioid addiction.  Medication and patients
-not substitution and user/ clients
Lastly and this is my old refrain –it is the patients who must define how
they and their treatment are to be regarded –not the nurses, not the
social workers, not the doctors, not the world Health Organization, not the
researchers, not the sociologists, not the psychologists, not the harm
reduction workers. not the administrators.  The quality of patient lives is
at stake with the stigma issue and it must be resolved. Lastly the
professionals can always earn a living–the stigmatized patients may not.
I will be at both the AATOD and Harm Reduction conferences
Herman
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine short report from Dutch TV
Date: March 27, 2006 at 10:49:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Marko,

Thanks,;)

Sara

 

Hi Sara,

nice to meet you !!

=)

Marko

Sara Glatt wrote:

look up the link then look up Ibogawortel then its easy.
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=archief.zoekopdatum&datum=24-3-2006

 

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From: marko <marko@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine short report from Dutch TV
Date: March 27, 2006 at 9:20:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara,

nice to meet you !!

=)

Marko

Sara Glatt wrote:

look up the link then look up Ibogawortel then its easy.
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=archief.zoekopdatum&datum=24-3-2006

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 6:26:16 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Bill, my experience pre Ibo was that once a thought entered my brain that
thought became an uncontrollable urge and it was only a matter of time
before I relapsed.(from traditional re-hab) post iBo I can think about drugs
but it has not yet become an uncontrollable urge. IT is quite amazing. I
always used to imagine I had a switch in my brain and once it tripped, I was
a gonner. Now it feels like the switch has been removed. I am only 5 weeks
clean off H. I hope it stays this way.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 27 March 2006 08:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Bill here, I am new today, posted a couple of notes and got some great
people talking to me, I mean I don’t feel like no loser,even though I am not

post Ibo yet, but give me some time and I will be. In response to the
reseting of the recepters to a pre-addictive state,YES that sounds tooooo
goood to be true, yet I want to believe – If that is true or even remotelly
close please talk more about it, Thanks.

P.S. Is it O.K. to talk about other kinda stuff like hey I have fallen and
now I am short meds or else I have stayed on track for a change or stuff-
you know.

First time in such a place
B.J.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:35:25 EST

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:

and I  can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic
opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction  state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 7:37:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh, oops, never mind then.
;-))
I thought that seemed like I’d already answered it in some form, but thought you were just clarifying, so I too clarified.
So it’s all clear now.
Whew.
Hope you and everyone else is enjoying these first days of Spring- it’s gorgeous if still a bit cold here.
Lotsof respect.
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

hey Preston, that was the same msg that i sent like a week ago, the computer servers playing up
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Again Chi, he’s mistaken if that’s really what was said- if, as Howard made very clear, one goes back to using at the Same Levels one was using previous to taking ibogaine, the risk is high. If one takes decreased amounts, the risks are seriously decreased as well.
Peace, love and respect.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 26, 2006 at 5:47:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey Preston, that was the same msg that i sent like a week ago, the computer servers playing up
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Again Chi, he’s mistaken if that’s really what was said- if, as Howard made very clear, one goes back to using at the Same Levels one was using previous to taking ibogaine, the risk is high. If one takes decreased amounts, the risks are seriously decreased as well.
Peace, love and respect.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 6:21:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s a touchy subject!!!

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: 27 March 2006 08:04
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Guy, what was your, um….stamina like though??  Lol just curious….

—–Original Message—–
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 5:27 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Hi Bill, sex drive come back? You better believe it!!!!
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 27 March 2006 02:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have
just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very
recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT
SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE
AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and
I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the
program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do
not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries
I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the
potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse
every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a
bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I
am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this
$&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive
and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending
just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there
and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our
Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be
done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could
go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them
addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made
it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “FrantiÅ¡ek Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant
– I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help
is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 2:56:54 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ibogaine is just a little part of trying to change your life.

This could be the motto over the door of every iboga treatment.

I have issues … and Ibogaine brought them out for me to
promtly ignore.

I heard that a therapist trainer said, never settle on an answer,
and I would add here – good conclusion or bad one, don’t stop
thinking, don’t settle for mere eloquence. Especially watch out if
you find yourself putting yourself down.

 

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:18:51 -0800 biscuitboy714@aol.com wrote:
Preston, my car didn’t get put in the lot they just moved it
across the
street. 65 dollar parking ticket. You gotta love NYC. I didn’t
mean to
run you off with my drama. Fact is the project that you are
working on
is gonna be real cool when it is done. I was going to change the
header
on this post but looking at it it seems pertinet to where I am.
I’m in
the city helping Dana with the museam project and looking for a
good
therapist. I have a number to call tomorrow and I will call at 9
am.
when I ffigure the guy gets in to the office. I fucked up. I know
that.
I should have stopped to think long enough to know the outcome of
me
not following up with therapy my Ibogaine treatment. I saw a few
people
who hadn’t ever heard of Ibogaine and tried but since I was
smarter
than they were (I’m sick, I know) I didn’t think I could get
anything
from it. Well that’s bullshit, Ibogaine is just a little part of
trying
to change your life. It is the only way to go for interupting the
addiction but there is so much more to it than that. I have issues

(to
say the fuckin’ least) and Ibogaine brought them out for me to
promtly
ignore. I’m gonna work on them now. I have to. This is kind of
scary. I
don’t run from much but I have been running from this a long time.

Please forgive the typo’s, I’m on Dana’s hot rod……..I mean
computer
and can’t use it very well. In the meantime I have written a
really
cool blues tune and the music is in my head again in full force.
Clarity rules. Somebody put me in a studio. Thank God for my
friends
here. I love you all. You can’t stop me.       Randy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I recently picked up the book The Strength of
the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs<

by Douglas Valentine.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 27, 2006 at 4:10:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wholeness emerging from who-o-ol-ness
wholeness sti-i-l-l remains

what happens if you suck on the straw?

The first time I had a Macdonald’s Milkshake???? Absolutely bloody
buggery-all bloody NOTHING!!!  It was a MilkSolid!!!  Worst milkshake
ever!!!
What was the question again?>??
Kirk

 

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 27, 2006 at 3:02:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wholeness emerging from who-o-ol-ness
wholeness sti-i-l-l remains

what happens if you suck on the straw?

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:39:56 -0800 Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi,

Interesting view, once explained to me in the following way:
Imagine a painting (creation), which depicts everything that was,
is and
will be (time). We, us, our limited consciousness look at this
picture
through a tiny straw, all we can conceive is what we see through
the straw.
The straw is moving, giving us the illusion of time and space.
Here we are, stuck with a tunnel vision of That  What Is.
Forgotten that there is no coming or going, that we are All and
One.
Gracias a Dios

Henk

Kevin Brady wrote:

Time is an illusion.  There is no such thing as motion, or heat,

or
energy.  Each moment is a complete universe.  The impression of
motion
is created by the viewpoint scanning through moments, much like
animation.  The speed with which we compulsively scan through
the
moments fools us into “belief” in time, space, location, etc.

In other words, they both came first.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no
knowledge
that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

Facilitator, Applied Metapsychology International/Traumatic
Incident
Reduction Association
www.tir.org

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:47:00 +1200

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
The real truth is that there is no chicken.

=)

Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
horny birds of
different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on
bro,
Chuckle.

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my
Son.

Of
course,
the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
Father.
Bless you

my
Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

Bless
you
all Paul!!!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 3:12:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh, Bill, I was sceptical but extremely hopeful but it’s true…
As for what to talk about?  If it wasn’t ok to talk about other stuff I
woulda been kicked out a long time ago!!!!
As would most of us…….
There’s people here at all sorts of stages, which is what makes this place
really interesting. I love hearing from people before, during and after a
session on ibo.  The change can be incredible.
Yakkit Up!!
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 6:42 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Bill here, I am new today, posted a couple of notes and got some great
people talking to me, I mean I don’t feel like no loser,even though I am not

post Ibo yet, but give me some time and I will be. In response to the
reseting of the recepters to a pre-addictive state,YES that sounds tooooo
goood to be true, yet I want to believe – If that is true or even remotelly
close please talk more about it, Thanks.

P.S. Is it O.K. to talk about other kinda stuff like hey I have fallen and
now I am short meds or else I have stayed on track for a change or stuff-
you know.

First time in such a place
B.J.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:35:25 EST

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:

and I  can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic
opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction  state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

 

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 3:12:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Read the intro – whatever you’ve got, you can put yourself out on
the list and see what happens. Try to be nice to others.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:41:44 -0800 BILL JOHNSON
<billjohnson6@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Bill here, I am new today, posted a couple of notes and got some
great
people talking to me, I mean I don’t feel like no loser,even
though I am not
post Ibo yet, but give me some time and I will be. In response to
the
reseting of the recepters to a pre-addictive state,YES that sounds

tooooo
goood to be true, yet I want to believe – If that is true or even
remotelly
close please talk more about it, Thanks.

P.S. Is it O.K. to talk about other kinda stuff like hey I have
fallen and
now I am short meds or else I have stayed on track for a change or

stuff-
you know.

First time in such a place
B.J.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:35:25 EST

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:

and I  can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by

habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as

narcotic
opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre
addiction  state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

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From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 27, 2006 at 1:41:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bill here, I am new today, posted a couple of notes and got some great people talking to me, I mean I don’t feel like no loser,even though I am not post Ibo yet, but give me some time and I will be. In response to the reseting of the recepters to a pre-addictive state,YES that sounds tooooo goood to be true, yet I want to believe – If that is true or even remotelly close please talk more about it, Thanks.

P.S. Is it O.K. to talk about other kinda stuff like hey I have fallen and now I am short meds or else I have stayed on track for a change or stuff- you know.

First time in such a place
B.J.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:35:25 EST

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:

and I  can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic
opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction  state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 1:03:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy, what was your, um….stamina like though??  Lol just curious….

—–Original Message—–
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 5:27 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Hi Bill, sex drive come back? You better believe it!!!!
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 27 March 2006 02:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have
just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very
recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT
SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE
AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and
I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the
program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do
not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries
I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the
potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse
every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a
bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I
am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this
$&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive
and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending
just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there
and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our
Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be
done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could
go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them
addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made
it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “FrantiÅ¡ek Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant
– I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help
is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Desire
Date: March 27, 2006 at 12:59:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Desire

 

— Original Message —–
From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:34 AM

I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

Hey Bill,

Welcome mate,.I for one can say that sexual desire definitely comes back after
treatment.

When I was on methadone my sexual desire was diminished especially when I
was not exercising. Whenever I had a reduction, my sexual desire would come back until
I stabilised again. I remember an ex saying,..well,..that’s definitely a bonus to reducing.

After having an Ibo’ session, the big fella down there,..ok ok,..the little teeny fella down
there wouldn’t leave me alone he was up every morning looking for the crack of Dawn,..
and Dawn always came.

I found when I was on the methadone and I was exercising often then the desire would
get stronger,..if I stopped exercising it would diminish.

love, Jasen

 

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From: Canela <canela@artcamp.com.mx>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Missing Person EMERGENCY
Date: March 27, 2006 at 1:27:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.artcamp.com.mx/Tourmaline/index.htm
Sorry to interrupt the always fascinating discussion

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 27, 2006 at 12:26:33 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Bill, sex drive come back? You better believe it!!!!
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: 27 March 2006 02:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have
just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very
recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT
SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE
AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and
I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the
program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do
not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries
I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the
potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse
every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a
bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I
am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this
$&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive
and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending
just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there
and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our
Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be
done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could
go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them
addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made
it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “FrantiÅ¡ek Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant
– I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help
is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]argumentative????
Date: March 26, 2006 at 4:15:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I appreciate your corrections and find them informative
chi x
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

>And it IS  true that Anslinger was a nazi creep who
used his feds to run a regular police state against against
dissenters who questioned the basis of marijuana prohibition, such as
Lindesmith, the professor from Indiana who persecution finally moved
Kennedy to kick Anslinger upstairs to the U.N., where it was thought
he couldn’t do as much mischief.<

No trouble with this bit here. I recently picked up the book The Strength of the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs, which covers the history of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Anslinger’s baby, which existed from 1930 to 1968. I haven’t actually started it yet (reading the ibogaine story still), but am looking forward to cracking this baby open.
Discovery Channel every so often runs a show about Hitler’s crazy doctors and the use of drugs in the Reich, so you’re on the money there too, I think.
Anyway, I’m not trying to be argumentative, I just like to correct misconceptions if I come across them and know they aren’t quite correct. It doesn’t help my side of the issue much if I or fellow drug users begin telling others false information- it can lead to prohibitionists belittling all our arguments and more easily getting away with it because of any proveably wrong info I or others might pass on.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I didn’t want people to misinterpret your refutation of the folk  myth, is all. Surely you’ve heard the sub-variant where the inventor  synthesizes it in 1934-5, names it Adolphine to cash in on Hitler- mania (which was real in the early Reich), and gets a  big medal from  the Nazis. Alas, it sounds great, but isn’t true. The website  probably has it right, since it’s based on chemical company documents.

But all the stuff about Goering, Goebbels and Hitler is true–I have  a book somewhere about Hitler’s crazy doctors. New Age medicine is  not really a very good way to run a Reich (possible reflection on  Ramtha there). And it IS  true that Anslinger was a nazi creep who  used his feds to run a regular police state against against  dissenters who questioned the basis of marijuana prohibition, such as  Lindesmith, the professor from Indiana who persecution finally moved  Kennedy to kick Anslinger upstairs to the U.N., where it was thought  he couldn’t do as much mischief.

I can attest that Allen Ginsberg was traumatized by his persecution  at the hands of Anslinger until the day he died.

JFK himself was a medical marijuana user– for his bad back. I don’t think he really thought thru the implications of the U.N. Single Convention on Cannabis and other Psychotropic Drugs. This is an international treaty all the signatories can pretty much enforce as  they please, so long as they don’t legalize outright. But DEA cited  it against UDV and are trying to get all signatories to ban ibogaine  under it.

Dana/cnw

On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I.<

LOL, Where in the world are you getting the impression I said  anything but that the Germans invented methadone Dana?
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

 

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the  germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i  know, from  the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american  kids chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it  did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an  addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is  now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted  to opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the  Nazis had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent  to the entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union,  which Goering had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis  literally lost the war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was  by far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late,  since as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4  years earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power  plundering Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find  that it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been  in  WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end,  corpulent  from high living rather than methadone. I find the  scenario of  Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to  substitute  methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of  drugs he was  injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since  there was a sudden  deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943,  when the cocaine blockade really kicked in. I think those  injections also may have included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave  their soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent  investigation of the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding  party, the fact once again surfaced that they routinely put their  pilots on ten milligrams of speed “to improve performance” (i.e,  bomb more wedding parties because they’re seeing insects, snakes  and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients here in New York being forced on to methadone for their  peripheral neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the  medical marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and   penalize, and because med-mar just WORKS so much better for  neuropathy and phantom pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a  Nazi vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics  Movement Judge Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to  criminalize weed in Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,   and who is cited by Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his  inspirations. Of course Anslinger teamed up with Joseph Goebbels  in 1937 to pass identical legislation against cannabis in August  in the US., and September in the Third Reich. And Anslinger had a  plan promote German-American cooperation thru  a mass roundup of  jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You can check with Larry  Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau of Narcotics  list. It was stopped only because they needed many of these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the  middle of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they  had had to have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The  Nazis considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex  between black men and white women. And Anslinger believed that  because syncopation meant you could put in extra beats, jazz  replicated pot’s time- distorting effect, making jazz a form of  AURAL cannabis vapor, or hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan  of World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile  supporters such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies  claiming that all the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to  acheive just that result in 1962 thru the U.N, an organization  originally set up to defeat Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar,  Stringaris became the mentor of Gabriel Nahas, whose faked  experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau were later used to stop  the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..
Date: March 26, 2006 at 8:21:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lol who you callin a snob ya freak? (im seriously kidding here….)
Actually that was a line off the movie “the commitments” I couldn’t resist
throwing it in.,.. shoulda quoted it didn’t neva mind.
Im maybe one of the least snobby music lovers on the planet….i listen to
just about every genre of music there is. Bar a couple, I think you’d probly
guess what they are…. (“We got both kainds of music, Country AND Western”
Blues Brothers.  In saying that I love Johnny Cash…)
Ok,
S’all gewd.
CK

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 11:47 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

to each their own. I spent a long time being a “music snob” but as noted
just one or two posts back, music is therapy, and while I might not
appreciate jazz so much, it’s Music still, and moves many in ways that
Kyuss/Queens of the Stone
Age/IronMaiden/Bauhaus/Cure/BasementJaxx/FreelanceHellraiser move me (btw,
if anyone has FH’s mashup of BasementJaxx/Clash, I’d LOVE to have the MP3,
so write me off list, please if so and can help- I can’t find it, not even
here in Manhattan- AND, if anyone down in Oz can find and burn me a copy of
Bady Doll’s first album, I’d be eternally grateful as NO ONE here as EVER
heard of them, and I LOVE their first album, having heard it in Amsterdam
but as noted cannot at all find it here).

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

How funny, I’ve always looked at Jazz as a form of Musical Wanking……..
hmm

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 4:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT?) Re: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..
Date: March 26, 2006 at 6:46:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

to each their own. I spent a long time being a “music snob” but as noted just one or two posts back, music is therapy, and while I might not appreciate jazz so much, it’s Music still, and moves many in ways that Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age/IronMaiden/Bauhaus/Cure/BasementJaxx/FreelanceHellraiser move me (btw, if anyone has FH’s mashup of BasementJaxx/Clash, I’d LOVE to have the MP3, so write me off list, please if so and can help- I can’t find it, not even here in Manhattan- AND, if anyone down in Oz can find and burn me a copy of Bady Doll’s first album, I’d be eternally grateful as NO ONE here as EVER heard of them, and I LOVE their first album, having heard it in Amsterdam but as noted cannot at all find it here).

—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..

How funny, I’ve always looked at Jazz as a form of Musical Wanking……..
hmm

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 4:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

> hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
> did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
> the movie sid & nancy years ago.
> when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
> germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
> chugging it.
> so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
> come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
> pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
> upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 8:05:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hiya Bill Johnson,
Welcome to the mad house ;o)
Guess what, it’s never a fluke when one comes across Ibogaine ;o)
Not sure about a Vancouver clinic but someone posted a link on here for a new one starting in Canada.,…. those more organised than me could kindly repost it for you perhaps? Tanks heeps.
I am now a month after treatment and apart from this darn cold and neck pain I am in good spirits and the world feels ok again.
This list is a great support system, it’s the best place to start.
Look forward to hearing more about you and watching you as you (hopefully soon) go thru treatment.
Kirsty 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: BILL JOHNSON [mailto:billjohnson6@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 12:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have
just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very
recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT
SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE
AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and
I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the
program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do
not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries
I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the
potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse
every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a
bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I
am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this
$&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive
and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending
just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there
and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our
Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be
done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could
go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them
addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made
it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “FrantiÅ¡ek Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant
– I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help
is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “BILL JOHNSON” <billjohnson6@sympatico.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fanz <Lets Move On Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 7:34:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Losing Hope From Canada

Wow, and Finally hello Ibogaine@mindvox.com My name is Bill and I have just by fluke came across the Word Ibogaine and it’s Possibilities very recently, SO YES FANZ I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF EDUCATING THE WORLD ABOUT SUCH A PRODUCT SO AS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION OR ALTURNATIVE CHOICE AVAILABLE TO ALL.
I have not gotten to take Ibo yet but I hope to in the near future and I also would like to be able to take some good time Out so as to get the program down and be able to hurt and or grow and or ??? whatever, but I do not do pain and suffering very good, so I am very scared.
I take 130mls of Methadone each day and when I go overboard with my carries I end up searching and using the Oxys for a few days to help escape the potential pain of withdrawl. It is very stupid, because I keep doing worse every time I seem to get the drive to just stop the insanity.
Not feeling so well this moment but I wanted to say that after reading a bunch of your posts I have been a little encouraged to find out again that I am not alone and there still seems to be some good people kiking around this $&%$@%$&^%$$* world of ours.
I will read more and stay conected, because I need people that are alive and who carry hope and are not to judgemental.
I have been in touch with a clinic in Vancouver that I plan on attending just as soon as I can pull things together. (Hopefully they are still there and can take me when I have all the money).
I hope to find out some other things via this forum. Things like our Methadone program and the loss of any sexual desire, and if anything can be done to help it, also with Ibogaine, does that desire come back?

I’ll be back.
Thanks, I hope I am O.K.
Bill

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:52:14 +1000

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 6:42:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

music definitely puts me in a “buzzed” state, and I’ve used music I can’t count how many times to get through the worst of withdrawals- it seriously helped me through weeks of methadone withdrawal years ago, combined with pot.
Post ibogaine, I find I’m much more adventerous musically too.
Peace, love and respect.
Preston
—–
“If God dropped acid, would he see people?”  ~Steven Wright

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

> hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
> did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
> the movie sid & nancy years ago.
> when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
> germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
> chugging it.
> so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
> come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
> pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
> upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: “Jeff G” <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] go go randy
Date: March 26, 2006 at 3:04:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy!
Glad your in town .Lets get together ….D has my #’s
Freak Free…not out!
Jeff

On 3/26/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Better late than…… really really late ay Randy!!!
Go for it!!
Why would anyone here wanna stop you!!!  Keep us informed.
Love ya heaps
Koiky xxx
—–Original Message—–
From: biscuitboy714@aol.com [mailto:biscuitboy714@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 3:19 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Preston, my car didn’t get put in the lot they just moved it across the
street. 65 dollar parking ticket. You gotta love NYC. I didn’t mean to
run you off with my drama. Fact is the project that you are working on
is gonna be real cool when it is done. I was going to change the header
on this post but looking at it it seems pertinet to where I am. I’m in
the city helping Dana with the museam project and looking for a good
therapist. I have a number to call tomorrow and I will call at 9 am.
when I ffigure the guy gets in to the office. I fucked up. I know that.
I should have stopped to think long enough to know the outcome of me
not following up with therapy my Ibogaine treatment. I saw a few people
who hadn’t ever heard of Ibogaine and tried but since I was smarter
than they were (I’m sick, I know) I didn’t think I could get anything
from it. Well that’s bullshit, Ibogaine is just a little part of trying
to change your life. It is the only way to go for interupting the
addiction but there is so much more to it than that. I have issues (to
say the fuckin’ least) and Ibogaine brought them out for me to promtly
ignore. I’m gonna work on them now. I have to. This is kind of scary. I
don’t run from much but I have been running from this a long time.
Please forgive the typo’s, I’m on Dana’s hot rod……..I mean computer
and can’t use it very well. In the meantime I have written a really
cool blues tune and the music is in my head again in full force.
Clarity rules. Somebody put me in a studio. Thank God for my friends
here. I love you all. You can’t stop me.       Randy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

> I recently picked up the book The Strength of
the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs<

by Douglas Valentine.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] go go randy
Date: March 26, 2006 at 1:00:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Better late than…… really really late ay Randy!!!
Go for it!!
Why would anyone here wanna stop you!!!  Keep us informed.
Love ya heaps
Koiky xxx
—–Original Message—–
From: biscuitboy714@aol.com [mailto:biscuitboy714@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 3:19 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Preston, my car didn’t get put in the lot they just moved it across the
street. 65 dollar parking ticket. You gotta love NYC. I didn’t mean to
run you off with my drama. Fact is the project that you are working on
is gonna be real cool when it is done. I was going to change the header
on this post but looking at it it seems pertinet to where I am. I’m in
the city helping Dana with the museam project and looking for a good
therapist. I have a number to call tomorrow and I will call at 9 am.
when I ffigure the guy gets in to the office. I fucked up. I know that.
I should have stopped to think long enough to know the outcome of me
not following up with therapy my Ibogaine treatment. I saw a few people
who hadn’t ever heard of Ibogaine and tried but since I was smarter
than they were (I’m sick, I know) I didn’t think I could get anything
from it. Well that’s bullshit, Ibogaine is just a little part of trying
to change your life. It is the only way to go for interupting the
addiction but there is so much more to it than that. I have issues (to
say the fuckin’ least) and Ibogaine brought them out for me to promtly
ignore. I’m gonna work on them now. I have to. This is kind of scary. I
don’t run from much but I have been running from this a long time.
Please forgive the typo’s, I’m on Dana’s hot rod……..I mean computer
and can’t use it very well. In the meantime I have written a really
cool blues tune and the music is in my head again in full force.
Clarity rules. Somebody put me in a studio. Thank God for my friends
here. I love you all. You can’t stop me.       Randy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I recently picked up the book The Strength of
the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs<

by Douglas Valentine.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jazz…..
Date: March 26, 2006 at 1:01:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How funny, I’ve always looked at Jazz as a form of Musical Wanking……..
hmm

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2006 4:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

 

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 11:35:36 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wonder is there anything in that idea of Jazz creating effects
similar to cannibis.  I painted my room while listening to Miles Davis
album Bitches Brew, really trippy, and I felt in an altered state.  I
want to paint some pictures under the influence of Jazz 🙂

Luke

On 3/25/06, Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans
did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from
the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the
germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids
chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did
come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im
pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping
upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to
opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis
had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the
entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering
had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the
war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his
opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the
defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by
far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since
as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years
earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering
Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent
from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of
Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute
methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was
injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden
deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine
blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have
included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their
soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of
the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once
again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams
of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties
because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients
here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral
neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical
marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and
because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom
pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi
vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge
Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in
Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by
Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger
teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation
against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third
Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation
thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You
can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau
of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of
these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them
barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle
of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to
have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis
considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black
men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation
meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-
distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or
hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of
World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters
such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all
the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result
in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat
Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of
Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau
were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: biscuitboy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 10:18:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, my car didn’t get put in the lot they just moved it across the street. 65 dollar parking ticket. You gotta love NYC. I didn’t mean to run you off with my drama. Fact is the project that you are working on is gonna be real cool when it is done. I was going to change the header on this post but looking at it it seems pertinet to where I am. I’m in the city helping Dana with the museam project and looking for a good therapist. I have a number to call tomorrow and I will call at 9 am. when I ffigure the guy gets in to the office. I fucked up. I know that. I should have stopped to think long enough to know the outcome of me not following up with therapy my Ibogaine treatment. I saw a few people who hadn’t ever heard of Ibogaine and tried but since I was smarter than they were (I’m sick, I know) I didn’t think I could get anything from it. Well that’s bullshit, Ibogaine is just a little part of trying to change your life. It is the only way to go for interupting the addiction but there is so much more to it than that. I have issues (to say the fuckin’ least) and Ibogaine brought them out for me to promtly ignore. I’m gonna work on them now. I have to. This is kind of scary. I don’t run from much but I have been running from this a long time. Please forgive the typo’s, I’m on Dana’s hot rod……..I mean computer and can’t use it very well. In the meantime I have written a really cool blues tune and the music is in my head again in full force. Clarity rules. Somebody put me in a studio. Thank God for my friends here. I love you all. You can’t stop me.       Randy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

> I recently picked up the book The Strength of
the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs<

by Douglas Valentine.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 26, 2006 at 3:56:56 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Again Chi, he’s mistaken if that’s really what was said- if, as Howard made very clear, one goes back to using at the Same Levels one was using previous to taking ibogaine, the risk is high. If one takes decreased amounts, the risks are seriously decreased as well.
Peace, love and respect.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine short report from Dutch TV
Date: March 26, 2006 at 6:19:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

look up the link then look up Ibogawortel then its easy.
http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?ln=nl&fuseaction=archief.zoekopdatum&datum=24-3-2006

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 4:09:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Oh yes that reminds me, I must post him back his Velcro Gloves and
Gumboots
;o)
Kxxx

Yeah,…..good secret keeper anyway

OHhhh Jasen, BTW, Dolly the Sheep says “Hi baaaaaaabyyyyyyyy”
;o)

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 4:59:47 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Oh yes that reminds me, I must post him back his Velcro Gloves and Gumboots
;o)
Kxxx

Yeah,…..good secret keeper anyway

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 11:16:56 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

>and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the >1st
place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).
From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 4:12:43 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if you got the same msg like 3 times its this silly machine. keeps returning my mail and telling
me it was unable to send it for 4hrs……. i think the puter might be a bit stoned.
chi xo
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Chi….. huh????

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 8:33 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a

sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT
THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all
the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still
on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading
it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal
help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 8:22:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 2:23:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Chi….. huh????

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 8:33 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a

sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT
THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all
the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still
on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the
1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —–
From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading
it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal
help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:33:24 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:37:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 1:24:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I recently picked up the book The Strength of
the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs<

by Douglas Valentine.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 26, 2006 at 12:42:27 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And it IS  true that Anslinger was a nazi creep who
used his feds to run a regular police state against against
dissenters who questioned the basis of marijuana prohibition, such as
Lindesmith, the professor from Indiana who persecution finally moved
Kennedy to kick Anslinger upstairs to the U.N., where it was thought
he couldn’t do as much mischief.<

No trouble with this bit here. I recently picked up the book The Strength of the Wolf-the Secret History of America’s War on Drugs, which covers the history of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Anslinger’s baby, which existed from 1930 to 1968. I haven’t actually started it yet (reading the ibogaine story still), but am looking forward to cracking this baby open.
Discovery Channel every so often runs a show about Hitler’s crazy doctors and the use of drugs in the Reich, so you’re on the money there too, I think.
Anyway, I’m not trying to be argumentative, I just like to correct misconceptions if I come across them and know they aren’t quite correct. It doesn’t help my side of the issue much if I or fellow drug users begin telling others false information- it can lead to prohibitionists belittling all our arguments and more easily getting away with it because of any proveably wrong info I or others might pass on.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I didn’t want people to misinterpret your refutation of the folk  myth, is all. Surely you’ve heard the sub-variant where the inventor  synthesizes it in 1934-5, names it Adolphine to cash in on Hitler- mania (which was real in the early Reich), and gets a  big medal from  the Nazis. Alas, it sounds great, but isn’t true. The website  probably has it right, since it’s based on chemical company documents.

But all the stuff about Goering, Goebbels and Hitler is true–I have  a book somewhere about Hitler’s crazy doctors. New Age medicine is  not really a very good way to run a Reich (possible reflection on  Ramtha there). And it IS  true that Anslinger was a nazi creep who  used his feds to run a regular police state against against  dissenters who questioned the basis of marijuana prohibition, such as  Lindesmith, the professor from Indiana who persecution finally moved  Kennedy to kick Anslinger upstairs to the U.N., where it was thought  he couldn’t do as much mischief.

I can attest that Allen Ginsberg was traumatized by his persecution  at the hands of Anslinger until the day he died.

JFK himself was a medical marijuana user– for his bad back. I don’t think he really thought thru the implications of the U.N. Single Convention on Cannabis and other Psychotropic Drugs. This is an international treaty all the signatories can pretty much enforce as  they please, so long as they don’t legalize outright. But DEA cited  it against UDV and are trying to get all signatories to ban ibogaine  under it.

Dana/cnw

On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I.<

LOL, Where in the world are you getting the impression I said  anything but that the Germans invented methadone Dana?
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

 

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the  germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i  know, from  the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the   germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american  kids  chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it  did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an  addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is  now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted  to opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the  Nazis had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent  to the entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union,  which Goering had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis  literally lost the war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was  by far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late,  since  as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4  years  earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power  plundering  Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find  that it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been  in  WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end,  corpulent  from high living rather than methadone. I find the  scenario of  Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to  substitute  methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of  drugs he was  injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since  there was a sudden  deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943,  when the cocaine blockade really kicked in. I think those  injections also may have included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave  their soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent  investigation of the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding  party, the fact once again surfaced that they routinely put their  pilots on ten milligrams of speed “to improve performance” (i.e,  bomb more wedding parties because they’re seeing insects, snakes  and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients   here in New York being forced on to methadone for their  peripheral neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the  medical  marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and   penalize, and  because med-mar just WORKS so much better for  neuropathy and phantom  pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a  Nazi vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics  Movement Judge Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to  criminalize weed in Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,   and who is cited by Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his  inspirations. Of course Anslinger teamed up with Joseph Goebbels  in 1937 to pass identical legislation against cannabis in August  in the US., and September in the Third Reich. And Anslinger had a  plan promote German-American cooperation thru  a mass roundup of  jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You  can check with Larry  Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau  of Narcotics  list. It was stopped only because they needed many of  these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the  middle of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they  had had to have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The  Nazis  considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex  between black  men and white women. And Anslinger believed that  because syncopation  meant you could put in extra beats, jazz  replicated pot’s time- distorting effect, making jazz a form of  AURAL cannabis vapor, or  hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan  of World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile  supporters such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies  claiming that all the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to  acheive just that result in 1962 thru the U.N, an organization  originally set up to defeat Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar,  Stringaris became the mentor of Gabriel Nahas, whose faked  experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau were later used to stop  the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: “Mason Shipley” <maseshipley@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 25, 2006 at 7:06:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for taking the time to put all this up. Other then being plain
weird, it’s a little weirder to read people’s writing without having
much of a idea who is behind the words. It was great to see some of
the people I’ve never seen before from the list (Howard, Patrick,
Dana, it’s not hard to find photographs of you, but most of the rest
of you I’ve never seen).

Not sure how to describe how I feel, but with some funny captions and
blurry photos, you managed to humanize some of the people here who I
would have imagined to be closer to homeless and yelling at people on
a street corner, based on what they write here. It was good to see all
this, thanks Patrick. You have a weird sense of humor that goes
between brilliant and sick, it works for you, even if you are a
egomaniac like most of the people championing ibogaine, you’re a human
one and have a self effacing sense of humor. You can laugh at
yourself. As much as you hate them, you’d do all right at any 12 step
meeting, you’re sicker then most but don’t look to be suffering, you
should share that at some more main stream recovery conferences, you
would be heard.

-Mase

On 3/23/06, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Art/CoSM2006/CoSM2006.html

Patrick

MindVox Transcendental Enlightenment Temple / Heroin Maintenance Clinic

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 4:31:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://opioids.com/heroin/heroinhistory.html
How aspirin turned hero
A hundred years ago Heinrich Dreser made a fortune from the discovery of heroin and aspirin – but he may have ended his days as an addict. RICHARD ASKWITH reports on a chemist who prescribed heroin for coughs

THE MAN in the 100-year-old photograph is not, to the modern eye, prepossessing. Balding, bespectacled and clerkish, he scarcely dominates his own portrait, let alone the picture of him with his staff in his laboratory.
Yet Heinrich Dreser, chemist and opportunist, was one of the most influential men of his age.
Between 1897 and 1914, Dreser worked for Bayer, the former dye factory that was to become the first of the world’s pharmaceutical giants, in Wuppertal, north-west Germany.
Friedrich Engels was born there. While Dreser made less of a mark on history, you could argue he had the greater influence on the 20th century. As head of Bayer’s pharmacological laboratory, he was responsible for the launch of two drugs that have shaped the way we live: aspirin, the world’s most successful legal drug; and heroin, the most successful illegal one.
Aspirin, of which the world now consumes 40 billion tablets a year, was launched 100 years ago next February. A fanfare of publicity will mark the centenary.
The centenary of heroin is more ambiguous: it was launched in November 1898 but was registered as a trademark in various countries from June that year, most lucratively in the US in August. But whenever the centenary falls, Bayer won’t be celebrating.

snip-
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Heroin means “strong” or “powerful” in German. That’s where it got its name.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 25 March 2006 16:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Henk wrote > think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,<

This isn’t actually the case Henk. From my essay just posted (but apparently

not yet read- I write with a smile):

One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of
the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not
given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical
company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans
who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the
French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).<

And Henk also wrote:

After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

Sorry to be so contrary but this isn’t the case either. Again from the same
essay I just posted:

On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600
kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had
discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that
the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high,
causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben
was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent,
trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the
formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas [or agent as some have argued with me- P]
that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was
now an American possession.<

So I hope this helps clear up some very common misconceptions about
methadone.
As I note in the beginning couple of paragraphs, “Unless otherwise noted,
facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston,
London: Waterbridge House, 1996.”

Peace, love and lots of respect.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted
and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links
following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no
sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I
was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone.
Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to
sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to
someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well.
I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less
habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982
[revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug

is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite
rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer
(keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is
feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from
Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the

week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their
medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is
habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are
already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So,
‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly
untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O.
Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic
which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine).
Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the
place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to
naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the
Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing,
edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working
with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching
for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics
(sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal

tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally

dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and

escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg.

One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued
Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had
been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea,
overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was
in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade
names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for

Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination
programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the

dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given
the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in
America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who

invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French

words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began
clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and
cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after
experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to
200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and
euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side
effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . .

deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once
again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were
far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided
that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts

started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in
the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as
the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to
receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited
tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin
addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus
Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate
Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors
still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the

Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report
states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the
doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further
evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce
withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what
paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on
the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not
happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving
Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still

on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the
money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts
in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment
no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made,
dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he
could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get
them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till
they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading

it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does,
but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about
everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment,
please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,

since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do
not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African
plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to
provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even
idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try
domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to
do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at
september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I
would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very
general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so.
What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in
helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African
lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie
to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and
personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this
fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and
doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good –
hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 5:26:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I didn’t want people to misinterpret your refutation of the folk myth, is all. Surely you’ve heard the sub-variant where the inventor synthesizes it in 1934-5, names it Adolphine to cash in on Hitler-mania (which was real in the early Reich), and gets a  big medal from the Nazis. Alas, it sounds great, but isn’t true. The website probably has it right, since it’s based on chemical company documents.

But all the stuff about Goering, Goebbels and Hitler is true–I have a book somewhere about Hitler’s crazy doctors. New Age medicine is not really a very good way to run a Reich (possible reflection on Ramtha there). And it IS  true that Anslinger was a nazi creep who used his feds to run a regular police state against against dissenters who questioned the basis of marijuana prohibition, such as Lindesmith, the professor from Indiana who persecution finally moved Kennedy to kick Anslinger upstairs to the U.N., where it was thought he couldn’t do as much mischief.

I can attest that Allen Ginsberg was traumatized by his persecution at the hands of Anslinger until the day he died.

JFK himself was a medical marijuana user– for his bad back. I don’t think he really thought thru the implications of the U.N. Single Convention on Cannabis and other Psychotropic Drugs. This is an international treaty all the signatories can pretty much enforce as they please, so long as they don’t legalize outright. But DEA cited it against UDV and are trying to get all signatories to ban ibogaine under it.

Dana/cnw

On Mar 25, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I.<

LOL, Where in the world are you getting the impression I said anything but that the Germans invented methadone Dana?
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

 

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans  did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from  the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the  germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids  chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did  come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im  pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping  upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis  had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the  entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering  had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the  war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his  opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the  defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by  far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since  as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years  earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering  Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that  it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their  battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in  WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent  from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of  Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute  methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was  injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden  deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of  the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once  again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams  of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties  because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients  here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral  neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical  marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and  because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom  pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by  Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger  teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation  against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third  Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation  thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You  can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau  of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of  these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them  barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle  of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to  have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis  considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black  men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation  meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time- distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or  hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of  World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters  such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all  the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result  in 1962 thru the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat  Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of  Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau  were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 4:29:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that
it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their
battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in
WW I.<

LOL, Where in the world are you getting the impression I said anything but that the Germans invented methadone Dana?
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

 

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans  did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from  the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the  germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids  chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did  come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im  pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping  upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis  had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the  entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering  had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the  war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his  opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the  defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by  far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since  as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years  earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering  Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that  it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their  battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in  WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent  from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of  Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute  methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was  injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden  deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of  the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once  again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams  of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties  because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients  here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral  neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical  marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and  because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom  pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by  Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger  teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation  against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third  Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation  thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You  can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau  of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of  these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them  barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle  of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to  have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis  considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black  men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation  meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time- distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or  hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of  World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters  such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all  the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result  in 1962 thru the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat  Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of  Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau  were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

Dana/cnw

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceutical of the future…
Date: March 25, 2006 at 2:46:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/25/06 2:15:35 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

***We can call it ” Lotsof Pharmaceuticals”***

Brilliant!!!!  Patrick can make up the labels….they’ll be the most
psychedelic product on the shelf!!!  With humorous descriptions…..

Lotsof Pharmaceutials already existed.  It was called NDA International, Inc.  NDA contracted with the University of Miami to perform an FDA approved clinical study.  NDA International, Cures Not Wars, the International Coalition for Addict Self-Help and other organizations independently and in collaboration pressured the FDA to approve the Miami study.  A year or so into the study Deborah Mash walked away from it and set up St. Kitts.  With the study stopped NDA collapsed financially. NDA also contracted with Stanley Glick to start him on his ibogaine research.  The patents for ibogaine are lapsed (20 years) and there are so many competing candidates for second generation and third generation ibogaine-like drugs that it is likely none of them will be developed or at least not for decades and the possibility on independent financing is pretty slim.   So that is where we are today with ibogaine in the hands of a medical subculture.  You ought to read the Alper/Beal/Kaplan history of ibogaine.  http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/history.html

Of course labels are cheap and can always be printed.  See http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/drlotsof.html

Howard

Howard

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 2:46:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the name heroin comes from ‘heroisch’, the German word for hero.
It was originally intended to wean morphine addicts from the drug, but has
since become a much bigger problem than morphine. The name is derived from
“a hero” for it’s supposed effect of saving morphine addicts.

—–Original Message—–
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2006 6:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Heroin means “strong” or “powerful” in German. That’s where it got its name.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 25 March 2006 16:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Henk wrote > think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,<

This isn’t actually the case Henk. From my essay just posted (but apparently

not yet read- I write with a smile):

One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of
the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not
given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical
company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans
who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the
French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).<

And Henk also wrote:

After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

Sorry to be so contrary but this isn’t the case either. Again from the same
essay I just posted:

On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600
kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had
discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that
the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high,
causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben
was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent,
trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the
formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas [or agent as some have argued with me- P]
that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was
now an American possession.<

So I hope this helps clear up some very common misconceptions about
methadone.
As I note in the beginning couple of paragraphs, “Unless otherwise noted,
facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston,
London: Waterbridge House, 1996.”

Peace, love and lots of respect.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted
and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links
following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no
sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I
was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone.
Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to
sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to
someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well.
I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less
habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982
[revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug

is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite
rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer
(keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is
feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from
Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the

week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their
medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is
habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are
already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So,
‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly
untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O.
Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic
which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine).
Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the
place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to
naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the
Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing,
edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working
with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching
for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics
(sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal

tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally

dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and

escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg.

One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued
Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had
been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea,
overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was
in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade
names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for

Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination
programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the

dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given
the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in
America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who

invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French

words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began
clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and
cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after
experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to
200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and
euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side
effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . .

deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once
again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were
far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided
that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts

started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in
the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as
the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to
receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited
tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin
addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus
Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate
Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors
still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the

Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report
states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the
doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further
evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce
withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what
paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on
the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not
happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving
Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still

on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the
money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts
in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment
no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made,
dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he
could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get
them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till
they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading

it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does,
but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about
everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment,
please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,

since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do
not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African
plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to
provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even
idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try
domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to
do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at
september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I
would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very
general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so.
What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in
helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African
lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie
to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and
personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this
fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and
doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good –
hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 1:55:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heroin means “strong” or “powerful” in German. That’s where it got its name.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 25 March 2006 16:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Henk wrote > think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,<

This isn’t actually the case Henk. From my essay just posted (but apparently

not yet read- I write with a smile):

One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of
the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not
given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical
company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans
who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the
French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).<

And Henk also wrote:

After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

Sorry to be so contrary but this isn’t the case either. Again from the same
essay I just posted:

On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600
kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had
discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that
the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high,
causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben
was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent,
trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the
formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas [or agent as some have argued with me- P]
that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was
now an American possession.<

So I hope this helps clear up some very common misconceptions about
methadone.
As I note in the beginning couple of paragraphs, “Unless otherwise noted,
facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston,
London: Waterbridge House, 1996.”

Peace, love and lots of respect.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go
to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted
and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links
following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no
sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I
was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone.
Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to
sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to
someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well.
I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less
habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982
[revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug

is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite
rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer
(keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is
feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from
Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the

week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their
medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is
habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are
already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So,
‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly
untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O.
Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic
which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine).
Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the
place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to
naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the
Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing,
edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working
with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching
for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics
(sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal

tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally

dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and

escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg.

One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued
Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had
been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea,
overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was
in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade
names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for

Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination
programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the

dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given
the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in
America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who

invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French

words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began
clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and
cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after
experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to
200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and
euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side
effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . .

deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once
again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were
far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided
that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts

started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in
the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as
the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to
receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited
tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin
addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus
Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate
Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors
still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the

Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report
states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the
doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further
evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce
withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what
paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on
the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not
happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving
Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still

on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the
money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about
ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts
in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment
no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made,
dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the

1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he
could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get
them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till
they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading

it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does,
but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about
everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment,
please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,

since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do
not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African
plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to
provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug
centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and
how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even
idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try
domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to
do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at
september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I
would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very
general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so.
What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in
helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African
lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie
to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some
personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and
personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this
fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and
doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good –
hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceutical of the future…
Date: March 25, 2006 at 2:10:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

***We can call it ” Lotsof Pharmaceuticals”***

Brilliant!!!!  Patrick can make up the labels….they’ll be the most
psychedelic product on the shelf!!!  With humorous descriptions……

 

 

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 2:04:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:16 AM, cm wrote:

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.

The truth is more interesting. ReichsMarshall Goering was addicted to opiates–and so squandered the military/ industrial complex the Nazis had seized from the Jews, Czechs and others — equivalent to the entire military/idustrial complex of the Soviet Union, which Goering had Hitler put him in charge of — that the Nazis literally lost the war while he was on the nod.

When he was put on trial at Nuremberg and the Allies cut off his opiates, he lost a lot of weight, came to his senses and led the defense of the Regime-members on the dock. Prosecutors said he was by far the smartest of the defendents; but it was a little late, since as head of the Luftwaffe he could have developed the jet 4 years earlier and won the war. But he wasted his years in power plundering Europe for art for his collection.

As for the Adolphine controversy, Preston, I think you will find that it WAS first developed in Germany out of concern that their battlefield supply of opiates might be blockaded, as it had been in WW I. But Goering probably got good heroin up to the end, corpulent from high living rather than methadone. I find the scenario of Hitler’s quack doctor Morel being forced to substitute methamphetamine for the cocaine in the cocktail of drugs he was injected der Fuhrer with much more likely, since there was a sudden deterioration in Hitler’s performance in 1943, when the cocaine blockade really kicked in. I think those injections also may have included belladonna.

But it was crystal meth, not methadone, that the Germans gave their soldiers. That’s nothing– in some of those recent investigation of the U.S. Air Force bombing the wrong wedding party, the fact once again surfaced that they routinely put their pilots on ten milligrams of speed “to improve performance” (i.e, bomb more wedding parties because they’re seeing insects, snakes and rats… ).

Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned with the issue of AIDS patients here in New York being forced on to methadone for their peripheral neuropathy, because it’s so much more toxic than the medical marijuana the whole system is set up to detect and  penalize, and because med-mar just WORKS so much better for neuropathy and phantom pain.

This bizarre pro-opiate, anti-cannabis  attitude perpetuates a Nazi vendetta against cannabis that dates back to Eugenics Movement Judge Emily Murphy of Alberta who led the campaign to criminalize weed in Canada in 1923, predating  Henry Anslinger,  and who is cited by Hitler in Mein Kampf as one of his inspirations. Of course Anslinger teamed up with Joseph Goebbels in 1937 to pass identical legislation against cannabis in August in the US., and September in the Third Reich. And Anslinger had a plan promote German-American cooperation thru  a mass roundup of jazz musicians and fans who smoke pot. You can check with Larry Sloman. I think it was 6,000 people on a Bureau of Narcotics list. It was stopped only because they needed many of these people to make war films like Casablanca in 1942. (Imagine them barging onto the set and grabbing Sam the piano player in the middle of the move!) Everyone knew the Nazis hated jazz, so they had had to have an obligatory jazz scene in most war movies. The Nazis considered to jazz to be a Jewish plot to promote sex between black men and white women. And Anslinger believed that because syncopation meant you could put in extra beats, jazz replicated pot’s time-distorting effect, making jazz a form of AURAL cannabis vapor, or hash smoke in sonic form.

Banning Cannabis everywhere was definitely part of Hitler’s plan of World Conquest. So it’s highly ironic that his erstwhile supporters such as Anslinger, who spent the war making movies claiming that all the heroin was coming from Japan, went on to acheive just that result in 1962 thru  the U.N, an organization originally set up to defeat Nazism. And Goebbel’s Drug Czar, Stringaris became the mentor of Gabriel Nahas, whose faked experiments for the U.N. Narcotics Bureau were later used to stop the decrim tide in the ’70’s

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 12:46:51 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And Bayer (maker of aspirin) was making heroin long before WWII- if I’m reading what you’ve written here correctly.
Peace, love and respect.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

>I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

No, again, this isn’t quite right. Please read essay I just posted about methadone. As I note in the essay, If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Western
compan(ies) that took over the production of METHADONE after WWII- and yes, methadone was still methadone, even if they called it something else.
Peace and love.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 9:31:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Henk wrote > think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,<

This isn’t actually the case Henk. From my essay just posted (but apparently not yet read- I write with a smile):

One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first
trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of
the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called
“Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not
given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical
company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans
who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the
French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).<

And Henk also wrote:

After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

Sorry to be so contrary but this isn’t the case either. Again from the same essay I just posted:

On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application
for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820
(Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed
“Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike
Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600
kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American
researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G.
Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had
discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that
the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high,
causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben
was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent,
trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the
formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas [or agent as some have argued with me- P]
that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.<

So I hope this helps clear up some very common misconceptions about methadone.
As I note in the beginning couple of paragraphs, “Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996.”

Peace, love and lots of respect.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 12:42:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes, the Germans did invent methadone (patenting it and calling it Polamidon), but they were not calling “Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug” in honor of Hitler, this part is a myth- it didn’t get that name until after the war, as noted in the essay. Nowhere have i said the Germans didn’t invent the stuff.
.
Peace, love and respect.
Preston
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

>and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the >1st
place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).
From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: history of methadone
Date: March 25, 2006 at 11:46:28 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:45 AM
Subject: history of methadone

thanks Preston i had a look,read around. found this helpful http://www.indro-online.de/historymethadone.htm as well as your
page – still dont trust the nazis :))))

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] history of methadone
Date: March 25, 2006 at 11:45:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks Preston i had a look,read around. found this helpful http://www.indro-online.de/historymethadone.htm as well as your
page – still dont trust the nazis :))))

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 11:16:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi ‘Preston’, i went to your link and from what i read the germans did invent it. i got my info, not a reliable source i know, from the movie sid & nancy years ago.
when they are being dosed they get this big lecture about the germans having made the shit and he didnt like seeing american kids chugging it.
so i then asked someone more on the subject and the told me it did come from the germans cos one of hitlers generals was an addict. im pretty sure the person i asked all those years ago is now sleeping upstairs. i’ll go and prod him later and find out.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

>and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the >1st
place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).
From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 9:25:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.<

No, again, this isn’t quite right. Please read essay I just posted about methadone. As I note in the essay, If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Western
compan(ies) that took over the production of METHADONE after WWII- and yes, methadone was still methadone, even if they called it something else.
Peace and love.
Preston

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 8:12:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it was heroin the nazis synthesized for the first time,
they called it Adolphine, in honor of Adolf Hitler,
After the war, the name was changed to heroin, why heroin, I don’t know.
Methadone  was developed much later.

Henk

Preston Peet wrote:

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).

From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists

working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
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—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 25, 2006 at 6:24:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, that sounds more like it.
And it’s Preston (Peet is the last name Chi, just to let you know.)
;-))
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

sorry if i wasnt clear pete, i didnt mean if you use any amount after ibo YOU WILL DIE – i was just trying to let her know that from
what ive been told it does take your receptars back to zippo, so you would have a babylike tolerance.
chi x
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

>I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of >opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to >recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the >bell curve.<

Sorry if I wasn’t clear Howard- yes, there are folk who fall all along the curve, with different reactions to any drug(s).
But by the same token, to allege that any use after taking ibogaine is going to automatically lead to overdose is wrong, from personal experience, which is what I was trying to say in reply to the previous post.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

 

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:50:23 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

 

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently, if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken ibogaine, extremely small.

Preston,

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the bell curve.

Howard

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 6:24:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st
place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.<

No offense, as usual, but this is not true (there are a ton of links following this essay as well as imbedded in the text, at the URL here):

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/index.html

m is for methadone
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@cs.com) – January 14, 2002

Temperature’s rising, fever is high, can’t see no future, can’t see no sky. My feet are so heavy, so is my head. I wish I was a baby. I wish I was dead.
Cold turkey has got me on the run. Body is aching, goose-pimple bone. Can’t see nobody. Leave me alone. My eyes are wide open, I can’t get to sleep.
One thing I’m sure of, I’m in at the deep freeze.
Cold Turkey has got me on the run. 36 hours rolling in pain, praying to someone, free me again. Oh, I’ll be a good boy, so please make me well. I’ll promise you anything, get me out of this hell!
Cold turkey has got me, oh, oh, oh, Cold turkey has got me on the run.
~ ~Cold Turkey, John Lennon/Yoko Ono (October 20, 1969)

Methadone (meth’e don’)-n.[< it’s chemical name] a synthetic drug, less habit-forming than morphine, used in treating morphine addicts.
~ ~ Webster’s New World Compact School and Office Dictionary, 1982 [revised edition]

This is pure unadulterated bullshit. Ask any methadone patient which drug is easier to kick – Heroin or Methadone – and they will tell you, quite rightly, that Methadone is the more hellish “drug” of the two.
While Methadone has no discernible high, and affects the body for longer (keeping withdrawals at bay for longer than heroin), once a person is feeling the lack of Methadone, the difference is clear. Detoxing from Methadone takes more time, a month or more at minimum, as compared to the week or two maximum for Heroin.
Patients in Methadone Maintenance Treatment (MMT) must take their medication every single day, or they get sick. Clearly, Methadone is habit-forming, although admittedly in every case, heroin habits are already formed, or a person cannot (or will not) be placed into MMT. So, ‘less habit-forming’ is semantic in the above definition, and blatantly untrue.
In 1939 two scientists working for I.G. Farben, Otto Eisleb, and O. Schaumann, at Hoechst-Am-Main, Germany, discovered an opioid analgesic which after numbering compound 8909, they named Dolantin (Pethidine). Hopes that it would be a new, non-addictive pain reliever, to take the place of Morphine, just like Diamorphine (heroin), before it, came to naught. However, because it was an extremely effective analgesic, the Germans used the drug extensively throughout War World II.
(Unless otherwise noted, facts are taken from The Methadone Briefing, edited by Andrew Preston, London: Waterbridge House, 1996).
From 1937 through the Spring and Summer of 1938, two other scientists working for I.G. Farben, Max Bockmuhl, and Gustav Ehrart, were working with similar compounds to Dolantin. Bockmuhl and Ehrart were searching for drugs with certain characteristics, such as “water soluble hypnotics (sleep inducing) substances, effective drugs to slow the gastrointestinal tract to make surgery easier, effective analgesics that were structurally dissimilar to Morphine-in the hopes that they would be non-addictive, and escape the strict controls on opiates.”
On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed “Amidon”, to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc.
After the war ended, the Allies divided up the spoils. I. G. Farben was in an US-occupied zone so all its “intellectual capital” (patent, trade names, and the like) came under US management. Along with the formula for Zyklon B, a nerve gas that the Nazis used in some of their extermination programs, Methadone was now an American possession.
One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from “Adolph”, in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called “Adolophine.” The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words “dolor” (pain), and “fin” (end).
Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, “signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness.” Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.
Promoted by Drs. Marie Nyswynder, and Vincent Dole in the mid-1960s as the most promising method of treating heroin addiction, MMT began to receive more attention from the medical community, and gradually limited tests were begun to gauge MMT’s efficacy in treating hardcore heroin addicts. Reading through the National Institute of Health’s Consensus Development Statement, titled “Effective Medical Treatment Of Opiate Addiction”, not much, it seems, has changed. US scientists and doctors still have a lack of compassion for their “test subjects” that echoes the Nazi doctors. In the Diagnosis of Opioid Addiction section, the report states that if an addict has failed after all tests to convince the doctor he/she is really a heroin addict, the doctor can obtain further evidence by administering a “Naloxone (Narcan) challenge test to induce withdrawal symptoms.” This instantly induces withdrawals, and is what paramedics give overdose victims when trying to resuscitate them dead on the sidewalk. I’ve seen it given to a friend, and he was definitely not happy when jerking awake, sick as a dog. It is sadistic torture giving Naloxone to someone simply, to prove that they’re are an addict.
snip-

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 4:58:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment
no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont
want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.

it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all the
shares et voila!!

 

***We can call it ” Lotsof Pharmaceuticals”***

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:22:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id
asked a sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Oh yes that reminds me, I must post him back his Velcro Gloves and Gumboots
;o)
Kxxx

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:40:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

 

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

anything i wrote about the pharmaceutical companies was something id asked a sheep loving australian lad over coffee
last year and that was the answer he gave me : )
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Tolerance apres ibo
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:10:04 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know if this is helpful, probably it isn’t because poppy seed tea is
more or less unknown strength-wise to majority of drug using community and
it also seems to vary depending on time of year I noticed… anyway,…..
but…
When I did the weaker form of ibo (gawd when does the brain unfry itself
LOL)  back in 2001, and had my “furry freak brothers clean out episode” as
someone so wonderfully put it…….it would have been 48 ish hours later
that I had some poppy seed tea and it would have been a quarter of what I
had been having pre ibo…and I don’t remember any withdrawals.
Kind of rams home the importance of knowing what the heck is going on and/or
having someone there who has been thru it.  So good to see all this
information about now.
Oh btw, hopefully next week a Kiwi woman will be signing up to the list,
with a plan to do ibo in the next couple of months.  She has full support of
the Drug clinic which is pretty cool I didn’t make a complete eejit of
myself during my sweaty rant to them lmao.  I’d hate to have done this
treatment an injustice.
So yeh I know ewes wierdos will make her feel most welcome :o) If ya don’t
I’ll be round to break ya kneecaps.  Hehehehhehehehehehe
In jest n joy
Koikxxx
—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 8:20 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

sorry if i wasnt clear pete, i didnt mean if you use any amount after ibo
YOU WILL DIE – i was just trying to let her know that from
what ive been told it does take your receptars back to zippo, so you would
have a babylike tolerance.
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of
opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to
recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the
bell curve.<

Sorry if I wasn’t clear Howard- yes, there are folk who fall all along the

curve, with different reactions to any drug(s).
But by the same token, to allege that any use after taking ibogaine is
going to automatically lead to overdose is wrong, from personal
experience, which is what I was trying to say in reply to the previous
post.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

 

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:50:23 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

 

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same
levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine
treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems
to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently,
if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the
risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken
ibogaine, extremely small.

Preston,

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of
opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to
recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the
bell curve.

Howard

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 25, 2006 at 2:41:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk yells “I’M NOT OUTSPOKEN AND I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT”.
..
After watching the rite of passage dvd and being a long term snarler at
Pharamaceuticals, a point was made that it’s not just the pharmaceuticals,
it’s the SHAREHOLDERS, social stigma blah blah who won’t have a bar of it,
so us born again iboganutz need to start our own pharmaceutical, own all the
shares et voila!!
Yeh well, that’s from a fried brain, gimmee a break LOL
Koikywoiky going mad.

—–Original Message—–
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 11:52 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on
methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money
together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine,
and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early
90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no
pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want

to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st

place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to
battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and
wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the
next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little
hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an
outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —–
From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it

all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to
express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like
humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but
are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything,
but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me,
since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to
express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not
say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant –
I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,

hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how

many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea
that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with
Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september.
There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to
register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages
with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people
think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady
in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx
and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal

help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help

is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may
be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope,
help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 25, 2006 at 3:20:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry if i wasnt clear pete, i didnt mean if you use any amount after ibo YOU WILL DIE – i was just trying to let her know that from
what ive been told it does take your receptars back to zippo, so you would have a babylike tolerance.
chi x
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

>I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of >opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to >recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the >bell curve.<

Sorry if I wasn’t clear Howard- yes, there are folk who fall all along the curve, with different reactions to any drug(s).
But by the same token, to allege that any use after taking ibogaine is going to automatically lead to overdose is wrong, from personal experience, which is what I was trying to say in reply to the previous post.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

 

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:50:23 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

 

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently, if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken ibogaine, extremely small.

Preston,

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the bell curve.

Howard

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 23, 2006 at 6:52:14 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Q.3 WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY? i havent done ibogaine myself yet, still on methadone, lowering my dose, going to counselling and getting the money together to take 2 months off when i do. from what ive read about ibogaine, and ive read alot, NIDA did studies on ibogaine using addicts in the early 90’s, there was a death and the trials stopped.
ive also been told that because ibogaine is largely a one off treatment no pharmaceutical co. will put their name to it, no money to be made, dont want to be affiliated with drug/herion addicts.
and furthermore, if im not wrong the nazis came up with methadone in the 1st place for one of hitlers generals who was an opium addict so he could go to battle. they ended up giving it to their soldiers to get them addicted and wouldnt give them more (leave them hanging out) till they made it to the next town they were to strike.
so if there was no one left on methadone, there would be no more little hitler soldiers running around, how would the government keep such an outspoken bunch of people quiet?????
—– Original Message —– From: “František Hrdý” <fanyz@seznam.cz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 25, 2006 at 1:07:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s not so much what he’s coming off, it’s more the fear of the flood dose.  I know he’ll do it if he really has to, he was just hoping just to stop the symptoms, but like a wise man recently said…..
there is the “witness” component to the process that is maintained.  There is always a person who knows they are under the covers watching this scary pictorial or archtypal vision but ya don’t lose yourself, i.e. ya don’t merge with the theme..
Thank you wise man ;o)
Krik in the Neck. xxxx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 4:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend

There was a chick on the list who used Ibogaine to get off poppy tea. I bet she will answer you!
Callie
Think she corresponded with Christopher Luke or his name be Luke Christopher.
Hope you find what you are seeking my friend!
callie

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 25, 2006 at 12:58:09 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you thank you one n all n all n one!!!  Am forwarding any and all information to him (I know I’m lazy the shame the shame lol)  still urging him to join the list he can ask his OWN damn questions lol juss kiddink……he’s a bit fearful and I completely understand that….
Luke Christopher, I do believe, Miss Callie…..  someone who seems to have dropped off the Ebog list……
Muchas Grassy Ass to All.
:o)
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 25 March 2006 4:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend

There was a chick on the list who used Ibogaine to get off poppy tea. I bet she will answer you!
Callie
Think she corresponded with Christopher Luke or his name be Luke Christopher.
Hope you find what you are seeking my friend!
callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 24, 2006 at 11:57:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There was a chick on the list who used Ibogaine to get off poppy tea. I bet she will answer you!
Callie
Think she corresponded with Christopher Luke or his name be Luke Christopher.
Hope you find what you are seeking my friend!
callie

 

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 24, 2006 at 11:52:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The link is this one:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

You can also download the pdf for printing by clicking the Articles
section like Howard said, I don’t know the link for the PDF it’s in
there. My understanding from reading Patrick’s article and from what
Howard has said, is that it can be dangerous if you don’t know what
you’re doing but that aplies to almost everything 😉

.:vector:.

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All narcotics can be dose reduced.   The key is to go slow or at
least that
is the given with methadone.   But, ibogaine makes going through
withdrawal so
much easier.   You don’t have to take a full therapeutic dose, just
review
Patrick and Hattie’s, article on low dose ibogaine.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/

It is in the articles section.   Patrick can most likely post a
direct
address to the article.   It is basically a dose replacement therapy
that requires
some skill wherein you use low dose ibogaine therapy (25 mg to 250 mg
(total
dose) in my experience, more or less, to reduce tolerance to opioids.
This is
not to say that skill and knowledge are not required as in any aspect
of
medical/health care.

Caveat emptor. (The buyer beware)

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 24, 2006 at 10:18:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:56:58 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

 

Hey all,
I am after some advice, theories or whatever to pass on to a friend who is interested in doing Ibogaine, but after a few bad trips (mushrooms I think) in the past is very wary of any type of tripping state.   His question is, could one come off, in his case, Poppy Seed Tea (which unfortunately has the same shelf life w.d’s as methadone) by step dosing his way thru it?
Hope you’re all having a great eek end.
Luff n all dat
Kirk J

All narcotics can be dose reduced.  The key is to go slow or at least that is the given with methadone.  But, ibogaine makes going through withdrawal so much easier.  You don’t have to take a full therapeutic dose, just review Patrick and Hattie’s, article on low dose ibogaine.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/

It is in the articles section.  Patrick can most likely post a direct address to the article.  It is basically a dose replacement therapy that requires some skill wherein you use low dose ibogaine therapy (25 mg to 250 mg (total dose) in my experience, more or less, to reduce tolerance to opioids.  This is not to say that skill and knowledge are not required as in any aspect of medical/health care.

Caveat emptor. (The buyer beware)

Ibogaine in the 21st Century:
Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance

Howard

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Question for a friend
Date: March 24, 2006 at 9:51:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey all,
I am after some advice, theories or whatever to pass on to a friend who is interested in doing Ibogaine, but after a few bad trips (mushrooms I think) in the past is very wary of any type of tripping state.   His question is, could one come off, in his case, Poppy Seed Tea (which unfortunately has the same shelf life w.d’s as methadone) by step dosing his way thru it?
Hope you’re all having a great eek end.
Luff n all dat
Kirk J

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 9:37:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/24/06 5:20:53 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

>I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of
>opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to
>recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the
>bell curve.<

Sorry if I wasn’t clear Howard- yes, there are folk who fall all along the
curve, with different reactions to any drug(s).
But by the same token, to allege that any use after taking ibogaine is going
to automatically lead to overdose is wrong, from personal experience, which
is what I was trying to say in reply to the previous post.

 

Preston,

I am in complete agreement with you. What I was looking for was your professional experience as an author.  At 24 or 48 hours post ibogaine,  what percentage dose of a narcotic that you were using on hour minus one before dosing with ibogaine might be suggested if you were to use again at that point.  I would say NO MORE than 25% of the pre ibogaine dose.  You can always take more.  You can’t take less once you’ve taken it particularly if you are using via an IV route though within a five minute window I am not sure if smoking or snorting make much of a difference. What’s your opinion?  If anyone has data from observations or experience I would very much like to hear from you.

IN GENERAL, I am seeking information not proposing that anyone take any given drug post ibogaine.

Thanks

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 5:20:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the bell curve.<

Sorry if I wasn’t clear Howard- yes, there are folk who fall all along the curve, with different reactions to any drug(s).
But by the same token, to allege that any use after taking ibogaine is going to automatically lead to overdose is wrong, from personal experience, which is what I was trying to say in reply to the previous post.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
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To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

 

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:50:23 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

 

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently, if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken ibogaine, extremely small.

Preston,

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the bell curve.

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 24, 2006 at 5:06:50 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no, just waved it around a lot.
peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

Sweet 🙂 Nice everything. For peeps who haven’t physically hung out
with all of you yet, but feel they know most of the participants from
having spent years reading their words, this was nice.

It’ll be interesting to see how peeps react to this in years to come,
not having been and only reading about the ‘love and light death match’
here from Rachel’s long posts and Lee’s reactions, the captions are
f**cking hysterical 🙂 Patrick your gf is hot 🙂 It’s great to see your
picture Lee! Not what I was expecting (you’re not wearing a long brown
robe and living in a cave 😉

Preston! Waytogo, did you ever light that joint while on the panel? 🙂
🙂

.:vector:.

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] testing anybody out there?
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:24:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

just a test. I got the enzmlm warning.
Callie

 

From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 24, 2006 at 2:47:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you, it’s so nice to put faces to some of the main names here. Very nice
presentation, maybe the photos melting and being out of focus adds to the whole
scene. I’m enjoying looking through them, slowly one page at a time because we
don’t have a reasonable cable solution here still. Patrick and Laura you’re
both yummy, come visit if you’re ever in this part of the world! It’s so nice
to see both Howard and Norma together, I don’t think I’ve ever seen both of you
before! Lee you too, refreshing to see you, very different person then what I’d
make of you by only reading your words here.

I am struck by how different the gathering is from the first day at the
university to the second day at Alex Gray’s chapel. Same people, different
clothing and much different space. Would enjoy making it to the next one.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sweet 🙂 Nice everything. For peeps who haven’t physically hung out
with all of you yet, but feel they know most of the participants from
having spent years reading their words, this was nice.

It’ll be interesting to see how peeps react to this in years to come,
not having been and only reading about the ‘love and light death match’
here from Rachel’s long posts and Lee’s reactions, the captions are
f**cking hysterical 🙂 Patrick your gf is hot 🙂 It’s great to see your
picture Lee! Not what I was expecting (you’re not wearing a long brown
robe and living in a cave 😉

Preston! Waytogo, did you ever light that joint while on the panel? 🙂
🙂

.:vector:.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 12:13:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/24/06 9:50:23 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently, if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken ibogaine, extremely small.

Preston,

I would think you may have access to hard data on what percentage of opioids suffice immediately post ibogaine.  That being said, we have to recognize that individual responses to any drug fall somewhere along the bell curve.

Howard

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 24, 2006 at 10:27:55 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sweet 🙂 Nice everything. For peeps who haven’t physically hung out
with all of you yet, but feel they know most of the participants from
having spent years reading their words, this was nice.

It’ll be interesting to see how peeps react to this in years to come,
not having been and only reading about the ‘love and light death match’
here from Rachel’s long posts and Lee’s reactions, the captions are
f**cking hysterical 🙂 Patrick your gf is hot 🙂 It’s great to see your
picture Lee! Not what I was expecting (you’re not wearing a long brown
robe and living in a cave 😉

Preston! Waytogo, did you ever light that joint while on the panel? 🙂
🙂

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:45:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing<

No, there’s a high risk of overdosing if a person picks up at the same levels of use that they left off at, or if one uses during the ibogaine treatment itself, while under the influence of the ibogaine, which seems to potentiate the effects of opiates and some other drugs too apparently, if Dana’s Ibogaine book is correct. If one takes a smaller amount, the risk of overdose is the same as it is for those who haven’t taken ibogaine, extremely small.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:37:11 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I finally watched this film last night, and was impressed with the fun and the intelligence of the presentations, even if there are parts of the film that seem entirely useless, unneeded to get across the point. I enjoyed it a lot as did V.
I don’t know how much is genuinely scientific or not, or inspired by Ramtha (the whole “we’re addicted chemically when we say we’re in love, so why settle for one partner” was one message I thought the film was saying in one small section, which could stem from the Ramtha “free love” attitude. I am getting that right, yes? Ramtha(ans?) do believe in fairly open sexual relations, yes?
Regardless I very much enjoyed this film.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

 

That’s interesting, I sort of wondered why the Ramtha lady was in there
with a lot of physicists, now I know! But having read the link and not
doubting that it’s true, it wasn’t really overt and in your face, I
didn’t know any of this when I saw the movie and it didn’t detract from
enjoying it. If it makes someone rush out and join a cult, then pay
them a lot of money for private tutoring, maybe it’s all for the best!
😉

I still say it’s a cool movie, I liked it.

.:vector:.

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I am still very interested in the theories outlines in the book, and
will
see the movie when I do get a chance to.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

>
> It was cultish in that it was a feature length advertisement for
the
> Ramtha cult, members of which wrote, starred in, and financed the
film…
>
> http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index.html
>
>
>> I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did
you
>> find cultish about it?
>>
>> .:vector:.
>>
>> — jon@mindvox.com wrote:
>>
>>> if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…
>>>
>>>
>>> > What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who
saw it
>>> > liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!
>>> >
>>> > .:vector:.
>>> >
>>> > — tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> “The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to
be in
>>> >> the mystery.”
>>> >>    – from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
>>> >>
>>> >> Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it
to
>>> >> anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
>>> >> possibilities….
>>> >> Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
>>> >> love tink
>>> >> “We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
>>> >> addictions.”
>>> >> (Same movie)
>>> >>
>>
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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Watershed & Session Pricelist
Date: March 24, 2006 at 7:05:18 AM EST
To: Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

The personal events in my life over the last few months have led to a watershed of revelation.

I fully realise that my personality has been getting in the way of the message (healing) and needs certain adjustments. I would also add that the incident with Daniel Pinchbeck (one of whose articles has been advertised on the front of my web site for quite some time) was unfortunate as he struck me as quite a  likeable chap after all was said and done and I would have liked to have made his acquaintance and chatted a while with him. However, weeks of unnecessary talk preparation, family matters, travelling from the South of Spain, jet lag, culture shock etc not to mention Daniels unique way to make an entrance caused me to lose my cool in his presence or lack of it when he left the table. Fortunately in full view of the audiance we did shake hands at the end and ended on very amicable terms. Anyway hi to you Daniel. I am very happy we met. I hope we run into one another sometime soon.

Eboga works in strange ways and I now realise that all that has happened has been for the good. I also realise, after hitting my head against a brick wall, that I am not responsible for anothers healing. We are each responsible for our own healing. However we can facilitate others. I am also not a teacher, nor do I aspire to be one. I am an observer or as I wrote in Amazing Grace, an investigative healing journalist who is trying in his own way to facilitate others and to understand the healing mechanisms of Eboga one of which is to know that everybody’s journey is different and the best one can do to help is to create a supportive environment and mental space for Eboga to carry out its work, as it knows far better than any of us what is needed for a given individual. In that sense I try (in a supportive way based on 7 1/2 years of personal experience) to tune into the ways of Eboga and also I try to make sense of the many mysteries it presents in order to make the journey a little less foreign to anyone who choses to undertake it. In the end, though, mystery will always be a part of the Eboga experience and nobody or nothing will ever remove that element from the process as it is necessary in order to lead one into unexpected and necessary change.

I also realise the responsibility for the growth of Eboga (as I understand it) does not rest in my hands. It will grow of itself naturally, if it is to grow at all. Eboga is about freedom and happiness and some of the roles I have taken on are unnecessary, unproductive and personally restrictive, i.e. not Eboga. Eboga permeates everything. If it wishes to explode onto the stage of human consciousness it can do so whenever it wishes.

After the conference I felt the need for a conference (focussed on healing), and hence the idea to hold an Eboga conference but now that I have had time to reflect, I do not wish to be driven by that goal either. If it is meant to happen it will happen when the time is right regardless. Otherwise it is pointless. If I have a role in that, fine. If not, also fine. Lets just see how it goes.

Building towers hoping they will be populated is a fools errand and I cannot afford to delude myself right now when I have a personal life that needs some important changes. So I have decided to step back and take a look at what really matters to me apart from Eboga.

I have already devoted 7 1/2 years to eboga and ibogaine. All time well spent but the time has come to make greater space for the reconnection of my inner self as it unfolds and not to wrap myself up in conflict or responsibility that has no point to it and little or nothing to do with my work.

So for one thing I have decided to change the nature of the Eboga List. It will now be defined as:

The Eboga List is a self-help email list open to anyone interested in the use of eboga or ibogaine for personal healing and transformation. All areas of healing and spirituality are open to discussion. Those whose interest is principally chemical dependence interruption are advised that specialist knowledge in this area is more readily available on the ibogaine list. Messages are archived and may be accessed via the webpage: http://www.elistas.com/list/eboga/archive/.

The Eboga list is not moderated. Details here: www.my-eboga.org/network.html.

My own role will change from actively participating in discussions to one of observer and facilitator. I will not be contributing to the discussions on the Eboga list. However, I will contribute items of information and occasional pieces of Eboga specific writting for general interest etc from time to time. If the Eboga list grows well and good. If not so be it. Remember it is not about the number of messages. Its about making a difference in a safe environment. Therefore, if you do not want to own your own feelings then its probably not the place for you.

I am also renouncing my title as a Nganga in preference for Ibogaine Provider (despite what I am told by Eboga) and I seriously doubt what the spirits told me when they said I could heal blood related discorders.

Apart from these changes there will be a slight change in style on my web site which will emerge with time. In fact since January there has been quite a few significant changes. So this is all part of a follow on process.

I am returning to my own center in search of my own peace. Eboga works in strange ways and I have no doubt that all I have done (as an ever ready fool) is part of a process of personal liberation from fantasy, ideology and whatever other nonsense is inside my head.

my-eboga.org/com will continue to exist and grow as will my eventual publications outlining what I have learned, among other things. I prefer to write in this manner as I have weeks more time to reconsider and reflect on my words and to get it right rather than fall into personal traps in my own writtings which alienate others from the message (which one can take or leave) in ongoing list discussions.

I will continue to offer Psychospiritual sessions as well as sessions for chemical dependency – price list below. I will also continue to offer support to clients and providers via the www.my-eboga.info. Any provider not listed is most welcome to contact me and I will add your name and details. This page is also accessible via the principal web site www.my-eboga.org or www.my-eboga.com.

Thank you to everyone and anyone who in one way or another contributed to my thoughts. It all helped in making me realise that I am at a turning point in my own journey and the time has come for me to look at events closer to home and to put my own house in order.

Gracias a Eboga

Lee

Contact: + 34 647 044373 (Mobile)
& my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk

Psychospiritual & Chemical Dependence Treatment
Price List in Euros

Psychospiritual                             Overheads         Service

Mini-Session (4-7mg/Kilo)               100e        +     100-200e*
Full-Session (16-21mg/Kg)              250e        +     250-400e*

* Depending on clients ability to pay.

Chemical Dependence

Session price: on request. Followup session 1 month later 1/2 price. EKG, Blood and Liver tests required.

Access – LOW COST AIRLINE – RYANAIR

London (Stansted) to Granada (Airport 20 mins from Granada).
Other low cost airlines fly into Malaga (1 1/2 hrs from Granada).

Prices do not include accomodation except in the case of chemical dependency & full psychospiritual sessions where the client will be at my home for the first 3 nights and then spend the next few nights at a nearby hotel. Otherwise a client has the option of a local hotel (where prices range from e15 to e75+ euros per night) or they can stay with me and my cat. (Cat can be temporarily evicted if necessary!) I live in a spacious 1-bed apartment so the sofa will have to be negotiated on the basis of need – add 25 euro per night for this option.

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:38:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!<

Seems to finally be the case here Callie .
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:49:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have been sooooo happy and almost normal since I started Methadone in 1999.<

I understand this ain’t necessarily a popular opinion here Callie, but if you are reasonably happy now, why risk setting yourself up for disaster by taking ibogaine and getting off methadone? I mean, I realize you aren’t looking at doing so in the foreseeable future (or I’ve not seen that you have plans already in place to do so). I’m not at all saying, “don’t take ibogaine and don’t get off methadone.” That’s a decision you need to make on your own. What I am saying is that if it were me, with my own past experiences, I’d go really slowly on getting off methadone. I personally don’t find a single thing sad about you being an old lady still getting your methadone, not if you’ve had a happy, law-enforcement goon-free life.
Be safe.
Peace and love and respect.
Preston
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

hi Chi, No, I haven’t. I had one opportunity and chickened out before I made the plans. I guess one of the reasons I chickened out is that I was afraid it wouldn’t work and I would be back miserable again with no drugs!
I know that is really a cop out!
Another reason is the financial aspect. BUT……I can always find the $$ for my Methadone Maintenance which I feel is too expensive. Hell, deep down I know if it was 800 bucks a month for my Methadone I would try to plop down 800 a month to keep from being all sick and miserable again.
So really, the financial excuse is a cop out too!
I pay 84.00 a week for Methadone and I could sure find something else to spend the money on.
I have been sooooo happy and almost normal since I started Methadone in 1999. I do miss the euphoria from narcotics and feel like that desire to feel that euphoria would make me go back to the opiates.
I am the primary and only caregiver to my boyfriend who is a quadriplegic as a result of an auto accident and I work full time as a Practical Nurse. I don’t think I could do everything I do now without the Methadone. I do not know though….I might be able to but I doubt it. So, that is a cop out too.
I am in a pretty miserable place …….
I feel that I have wasted and ‘missed; the last 20 years of my life! When I think of the future I see myself as a very old lady in the Nursing Home and the medication nurse giving me my Methadone juice every morning! Sad, huh?
I have several more rationalizations if anyone wants to hear them! No joke.
I keep hanging out with these ‘brave’ folks who have taken the plunge, reading their personal accomplishments after Ibogaine and just keep hoping I will get another chance and have the courage to try the Ibogaine.
I am sending positive vibes out your way chi. Please stay with the list after your treatment and share….whether you succeed or if you don’t.
I can honestly say I have only heard of 1 or 2 folks who didn’t gain anything from their session so I am eagerly awaiting the gifts Ibogaine will bestow on you!
Peace, Callie

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 4:54:33 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to stay squeaky clean or I lose it.
We are all different, I see that, bit jealous in fact!<

We’re all different Guy. I continue enjoying seeing you post on the list, regardless of whether you are doingr your post-ibo living differently than I- particulary since you’re doing it differently.
Peace and love.

—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Shelly Preston and everybody else that responded. Thank you, I get what you are saying. You guys are lucky. I have been struggling with substances since forever and will abuse or get addicted to malaria tablets or anything else. I have to stay squeaky clean or I lose it.
We are all different, I see that, bit jealous in fact!
Love to all
Guy

 

From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 March 2006 18:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Hi Guy, congratulations on your sobriety! In answer to your question , i think there are many goals for folks here , some do ibogaine to reduce their habit- or milligrams of needed analgesia, most to get off opiates, for me it has been to get drug free – a kind of quality of life thing. Lord knows I’ve done it several ways, continued to drink “socially”,( pot’s not my deal- sure got saturated from 65-75),this time I’ve been drug free over a year now. The neat thing here is the freedom we give each other to be who we are without an agenda, you get to decide your goal & get the support ,leave the part that doesnt fit.love shelley

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

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From: “Tiger Lisa” <tigerlisa@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] SheShamans
Date: March 24, 2006 at 1:43:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Speaking of enthogens (which some of us were), here is an interesting conference (people of any gender invited), celebrating “the role of women as psychonauts.” Hmmm. Ahem!  I’m going to try to be there. It would be great to have info about Ibogaine there, for anyone who might be interested for whatever reason. I can see MAPS is co-sponsoring, or at least involved somehow. Has this already been thought of? (I’m new here, don’t know who the Ibo allies are…)
http://www.sheshamans.com/index.html

Tiger

 

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] Free
Date: March 24, 2006 at 1:09:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Callie,

Wow,..$84US a week blows me away. In Oz it is approx $35AU a week and I thought that was too much.

As Kirsty said,..you need to choose another vision,..you can be the very old lady in the nursing home
with the Med’ nurse bringing your dose every morning if this is what you choose,..or,..you can choose
another outcome. You know Callie,..our thoughts are very powerful

The last 20 years has been an experience, no time is wasted time even when it seems to be wasted.

I am looking forward to hearing about you experiencing Ibo’ Many of us here will be there for you when
you decide to have the experience.

Heaven is watching a movie….

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

hi Chi, No, I haven’t. I had one opportunity and chickened out before I made the plans. I guess one of the reasons I chickened out is that I was afraid it wouldn’t work and I would be back miserable again with no drugs!
I know that is really a cop out!
Another reason is the financial aspect. BUT……I can always find the $$ for my Methadone Maintenance which I feel is too expensive. Hell, deep down I know if it was 800 bucks a month for my Methadone I would try to plop down 800 a month to keep from being all sick and miserable again.
So really, the financial excuse is a cop out too!
I pay 84.00 a week for Methadone and I could sure find something else to spend the money on.
I have been sooooo happy and almost normal since I started Methadone in 1999. I do miss the euphoria from narcotics and feel like that desire to feel that euphoria would make me go back to the opiates.
I am the primary and only caregiver to my boyfriend who is a quadriplegic as a result of an auto accident and I work full time as a Practical Nurse. I don’t think I could do everything I do now without the Methadone. I do not know though….I might be able to but I doubt it. So, that is a cop out too.
I am in a pretty miserable place …….
I feel that I have wasted and ‘missed; the last 20 years of my life! When I think of the future I see myself as a very old lady in the Nursing Home and the medication nurse giving me my Methadone juice every morning! Sad, huh?
I have several more rationalizations if anyone wants to hear them! No joke.
I keep hanging out with these ‘brave’ folks who have taken the plunge, reading their personal accomplishments after Ibogaine and just keep hoping I will get another chance and have the courage to try the Ibogaine.
I am sending positive vibes out your way chi. Please stay with the list after your treatment and share….whether you succeed or if you don’t.
I can honestly say I have only heard of 1 or 2 folks who didn’t gain anything from their session so I am eagerly awaiting the gifts Ibogaine will bestow on you!
Peace, Callie

 

From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 23, 2006 at 11:48:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Totally dope, thanks! Love your Daniel Pinchbeck and Lee Albert
captions. the Love and Light deathmatch re tuned.

broc

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 24, 2006 at 12:01:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Shelly Preston and everybody else that responded. Thank you, I get what you are saying. You guys are lucky. I have been struggling with substances since forever and will abuse or get addicted to malaria tablets or anything else. I have to stay squeaky clean or I lose it.
We are all different, I see that, bit jealous in fact!
Love to all
Guy
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 23 March 2006 18:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Hi Guy, congratulations on your sobriety! In answer to your question , i think there are many goals for folks here , some do ibogaine to reduce their habit- or milligrams of needed analgesia, most to get off opiates, for me it has been to get drug free – a kind of quality of life thing. Lord knows I’ve done it several ways, continued to drink “socially”,( pot’s not my deal- sure got saturated from 65-75),this time I’ve been drug free over a year now. The neat thing here is the freedom we give each other to be who we are without an agenda, you get to decide your goal & get the support ,leave the part that doesnt fit.love shelley

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy
New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 23, 2006 at 11:53:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow Sweet, and also LMFAO!!!!!
What the hell was the photographer on at the time????? Hehehehe
Great to see sum of ewes, even though most of you look like  DBoMF  (dodgey
bunch of Mutha F****ers heheheh juss kidding…. )
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 4:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

Ohhhhh is that what that link was. I didn’t understand Patricks gibberish,
dese are dose. thought it was some weirdo cyber geek stuff hehehhe *wink*

—–Original Message—–
From: lorenzo-aguila@excite.com [mailto:lorenzo-aguila@excite.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 2:34 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

 

It’s good to see so many of you again in 2006 or for first time. Thanks for
that! Beautiful space. Great photo descriptions. Thank you!

 

Cheers

Lorenzo

 

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From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto: digital@phantom.com]

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:52:05 -0500

Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 23, 2006 at 11:39:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhhhh is that what that link was. I didn’t understand Patricks gibberish,
dese are dose. thought it was some weirdo cyber geek stuff hehehhe *wink*

—–Original Message—–
From: lorenzo-aguila@excite.com [mailto:lorenzo-aguila@excite.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 2:34 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

 

It’s good to see so many of you again in 2006 or for first time. Thanks for
that! Beautiful space. Great photo descriptions. Thank you!

 

Cheers

Lorenzo

 

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From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto: digital@phantom.com]

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:52:05 -0500

Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

 

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From: “lorenzo-aguila@excite.com” <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 23, 2006 at 9:34:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

It’s good to see so many of you again in 2006 or for first time. Thanks for that! Beautiful space. Great photo descriptions. Thank you!

Cheers
Lorenzo

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Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 10:42:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am not lying…  😉  It is possible..  I was treated by Sara back in march of 04, and I have been free of opiates since then..  I have had 2 broken bones in which I was given vicodin as a prescription..  Taking 2 every 4-6 hours as needed for pain, as directed, would actually make me nod, now..  I also gave them away when the pain subsided..  I also had no withdrawal or cravings after I stopped taking them..  I was doing around a gram a day when I had a habit (around 3+ years), then got on methadone, 100mgs a day(for another 3+ years)…  Hell, I never would get a nod off of a vicodin, even before I was addicted, so the Iboga definitely seemed to reset my opiate tolerance..  Never really been into other hard drugs, cause I only ever liked cocaine for the rush(IV), but the high always sucked to me..  Same with methamphetamine, I prefer to eat and sleep, not be awake all night without being able to eat or sleep…  I now enjoy beer maybe a couple nights a week, no hard liquor, because I don’t like getting wasted drunk, just a nice beer buzz in a social situation..  I smoke cannabis daily, and eat LSD maybe twice a month on average…  I use mushrooms about 6-8 times a year, mescaline on occasion, and I like to take a hit of DMT, as well, during my LSD trips or by itself on occasion..  None of those drugs are really necessary for me to feel good and/or function, but they sure are a lot of fun…  I just never bought into the 12 step nonsense that once you are an addict, you are always an addict..  I am not an addict anymore, because I CHOOSE not to be..  I hope everyone can achieve what they want with Iboga, but if they can’t, I know it has worked for me…  Thanks again to Sara and Iboga, for showing me I can decide!!
Sincerely,
CrookedEye

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

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From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 10:36:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, the problem I have with it isn’t just that it was funded by a cult.. more that it made a lot of spurious claims that it presented as solid.

I mean, for example, the possible link between quantum mechanics and consciousness is a very interesting one, but it’s purely speculation and should be presented as such.

And they shouldn’t misrepresent people’s credentials to make them sound more authoritative either.

Vector Vector wrote:
That’s interesting, I sort of wondered why the Ramtha lady was in there
with a lot of physicists, now I know! But having read the link and not
doubting that it’s true, it wasn’t really overt and in your face, I
didn’t know any of this when I saw the movie and it didn’t detract from
enjoying it. If it makes someone rush out and join a cult, then pay
them a lot of money for private tutoring, maybe it’s all for the best!
😉
I still say it’s a cool movie, I liked it.
.:vector:.
— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I am still very interested in the theories outlines in the book, and
will see the movie when I do get a chance to.
Peace and love.
—–
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Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
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The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
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—– Original Message —– From: <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

 

It was cultish in that it was a feature length advertisement for

the

Ramtha cult, members of which wrote, starred in, and financed the

film…

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index.html

 

I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did

you

find cultish about it?

.:vector:.

— jon@mindvox.com wrote:

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

 

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who

saw it

liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to

be in

the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it

to

anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 10:26:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Callie!!!!
Ok firstly, quit beating yourself up, although I and probly everybody here absolutely one hundy percent relates to you.   We are the rationalisation pros.  An excuse for every occasion.  Ibogaine quite nicely shoved that in my face and held my head in a Clockwork Orange kinda way with eyes wide open. I already knew.  There’s a different awareness of it now……
I’m still stunned you are charged for your methadone over there.  It’s free in NZ.  Smaller population? Je ne sais pas.
Chickening out of doing Ibogaine is in no way a cop out.  It’s a huge step into the unknown regardless of what you know or who you have talked to about the experience.  Don’t beat yourself up on that either, you have very valid issues in your life that aren’t going to go away when you have no energy post Ibogaine.  You will need looking after.  But, perhaps, instead of your image of ole lady in a home downing her jungle juice and yakkin the ears off Bert in the next wheelchair, replace it with one that sees you absolutely being able to do Ibogaine with everything in your life being managed until you are once again able.  It’s all totally possible.  Make it happen.  Hey when I’ve “manifested” the necessary wotevas to be able to I’ll be on a plane and I’ll come over there and give you a hand ;o)
You’re doing great, don’t look backwards…….look at what you’ve accomplished to date.  Far out you’re doing amazing!!  You must be an incredibly strong woman to be doing what you are.  Take pride in that, my friend ;o)
With much love from a slightly stir fried and crazy Cappen Krik (I have a krik in my neck lol)
xxxxxxxxxxx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 2:01 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

hi Chi, No, I haven’t. I had one opportunity and chickened out before I made the plans. I guess one of the reasons I chickened out is that I was afraid it wouldn’t work and I would be back miserable again with no drugs!
I know that is really a cop out!
Another reason is the financial aspect. BUT……I can always find the $$ for my Methadone Maintenance which I feel is too expensive. Hell, deep down I know if it was 800 bucks a month for my Methadone I would try to plop down 800 a month to keep from being all sick and miserable again.
So really, the financial excuse is a cop out too!
I pay 84.00 a week for Methadone and I could sure find something else to spend the money on.
I have been sooooo happy and almost normal since I started Methadone in 1999. I do miss the euphoria from narcotics and feel like that desire to feel that euphoria would make me go back to the opiates.
I am the primary and only caregiver to my boyfriend who is a quadriplegic as a result of an auto accident and I work full time as a Practical Nurse. I don’t think I could do everything I do now without the Methadone. I do not know though….I might be able to but I doubt it. So, that is a cop out too.
I am in a pretty miserable place …….
I feel that I have wasted and ‘missed; the last 20 years of my life! When I think of the future I see myself as a very old lady in the Nursing Home and the medication nurse giving me my Methadone juice every morning! Sad, huh?
I have several more rationalizations if anyone wants to hear them! No joke.
I keep hanging out with these ‘brave’ folks who have taken the plunge, reading their personal accomplishments after Ibogaine and just keep hoping I will get another chance and have the courage to try the Ibogaine.
I am sending positive vibes out your way chi. Please stay with the list after your treatment and share….whether you succeed or if you don’t.
I can honestly say I have only heard of 1 or 2 folks who didn’t gain anything from their session so I am eagerly awaiting the gifts Ibogaine will bestow on you!
Peace, Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 9:00:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Chi, No, I haven’t. I had one opportunity and chickened out before I made the plans. I guess one of the reasons I chickened out is that I was afraid it wouldn’t work and I would be back miserable again with no drugs!
I know that is really a cop out!
Another reason is the financial aspect. BUT……I can always find the $$ for my Methadone Maintenance which I feel is too expensive. Hell, deep down I know if it was 800 bucks a month for my Methadone I would try to plop down 800 a month to keep from being all sick and miserable again.
So really, the financial excuse is a cop out too!
I pay 84.00 a week for Methadone and I could sure find something else to spend the money on.
I have been sooooo happy and almost normal since I started Methadone in 1999. I do miss the euphoria from narcotics and feel like that desire to feel that euphoria would make me go back to the opiates.
I am the primary and only caregiver to my boyfriend who is a quadriplegic as a result of an auto accident and I work full time as a Practical Nurse. I don’t think I could do everything I do now without the Methadone. I do not know though….I might be able to but I doubt it. So, that is a cop out too.
I am in a pretty miserable place …….
I feel that I have wasted and ‘missed; the last 20 years of my life! When I think of the future I see myself as a very old lady in the Nursing Home and the medication nurse giving me my Methadone juice every morning! Sad, huh?
I have several more rationalizations if anyone wants to hear them! No joke.
I keep hanging out with these ‘brave’ folks who have taken the plunge, reading their personal accomplishments after Ibogaine and just keep hoping I will get another chance and have the courage to try the Ibogaine.
I am sending positive vibes out your way chi. Please stay with the list after your treatment and share….whether you succeed or if you don’t.
I can honestly say I have only heard of 1 or 2 folks who didn’t gain anything from their session so I am eagerly awaiting the gifts Ibogaine will bestow on you!
Peace, Callie

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 8:58:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

have you been treated with ibogaine callie??? i havent – but from what ive read and from what the kind young
man who has already had it done and will be treating me this is what it does. so if you go back to using after
theres a very high risk of od’ing
chi x
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference 2006 – Photos
Date: March 23, 2006 at 7:52:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dese R dosE

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 7:35:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:30:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..

oh!!!oh!!!oh!!!! THAT IS WHAT I WANT!!!!!
Is that really possible? I can’t imagine being that way as far as narcotic opiates are concerned!
Did the Ibogaine reset your receptors totally back to pre addiction state?
Sorry, but I just have the damndest time believing that is true!
Callie

 

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 5:59:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s interesting, I sort of wondered why the Ramtha lady was in there
with a lot of physicists, now I know! But having read the link and not
doubting that it’s true, it wasn’t really overt and in your face, I
didn’t know any of this when I saw the movie and it didn’t detract from
enjoying it. If it makes someone rush out and join a cult, then pay
them a lot of money for private tutoring, maybe it’s all for the best!
😉

I still say it’s a cool movie, I liked it.

.:vector:.

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I am still very interested in the theories outlines in the book, and
will
see the movie when I do get a chance to.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

 

It was cultish in that it was a feature length advertisement for
the
Ramtha cult, members of which wrote, starred in, and financed the
film…

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index.html

I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did
you
find cultish about it?

.:vector:.

— jon@mindvox.com wrote:

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who
saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to
be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it
to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 4:41:28 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am still very interested in the theories outlines in the book, and will see the movie when I do get a chance to.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

 

It was cultish in that it was a feature length advertisement for the
Ramtha cult, members of which wrote, starred in, and financed the film…

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index.html

I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did you
find cultish about it?

.:vector:.

— jon@mindvox.com wrote:

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

> What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
> liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!
>
> .:vector:.
>
> — tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> “The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
>> the mystery.”
>>    – from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
>>
>> Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
>> anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
>> possibilities….
>> Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
>> love tink
>> “We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
>> addictions.”
>> (Same movie)
>>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 4:39:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can also look for the book Beyond the Bleep, put out by Disinformation Company, which goes into much greater details the theories of each person who appears in the film.
An interesting little book, although I’ve read some pretty derogatory things about WTBDWK- which I don’t really agree with, finding all the theorizing in the book (haven’t seen the film yet) very intriguing. Especially with my entheogen background.
Peace and love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: jon@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 3:34:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It was cultish in that it was a feature length advertisement for the
Ramtha cult, members of which wrote, starred in, and financed the film…

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/09/16/bleep/index.html

I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did you
find cultish about it?

.:vector:.

— jon@mindvox.com wrote:

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 23, 2006 at 2:47:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Krista,

Thank you sincerely for even not very pleasant answer. Good to know someone cares. =)

Is this what you mean? ‘There have been many more qualified before and you better forget you can move it anywhere?’

Though I don’t want to get drawn in so often arguing here, I don’t know how to get what I want better way.

I sure do not expect anyone to do research for me. I just want to gather data from the source. I spent plenty of time reading and researching. Answers are so various though, that I decided to ask the ones who most probably know.

I cooperate with Brian Mariano, and have lot of information and experiences from him. He sometimes says something different than I read posted here though.

I joined this list to know more about Ibogaine and that’s what I’m trying to get.

I don’t expect to be on first Google page when searching for Ibogaine. That would mean the person already knows Ibogaine exist. (Although it would not be as hard to achieve as you declare.) I want to be on first page when searching for detox, addiction, drug abuse… and so.

I don’t intend to create site full of links only. I want coherent lucid page that shows addicts and all people interested clear way how to stop addiction. I don’t want to be concurrent to anyone, but put links to all Ibogaine places with commentary. Let one choose what fits him best. Some are looking for cheapest, some for closest, some for safest.

I don’t want to steal that movie, that’s the reason I’m asking. It might be positioned on some licensed site. I suppose main reason this movie exist is to let people know about Ibogaine. If I’m wrong here, sorry, my mistake.

If you know the 3/4 of those answers would it take you longer to type it down then this mail?

From your answer I get feeling that nothing should be done for free, even giving away some information. Well, I’m from different matter – you may say it’s just because I’m young or because I’m not an American.
It’s clear especially in software business; Microsoft is achieving quality by selling their software as expensive as possible and Linux by using as many people willing to help for free as possible. Which way is the good one?

 

———— Původní zpráva ————
Od: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Předmět: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Datum: 23.3.2006 17:00:17
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Hi Franktisek, I’m not sure why I’m writing you and I’m certainly not
in the ibogaine expert category, I guess I’m answering because I seem
to be the only one who ever replies to your messages 😉

From what I gather most or all of what you’ve suggested and more, has
been done over years of time by people like Howard, Patrick, Dana,
Nick Sandberg, those who already run the main ibogaine sites. I think
maybe nobody replies because it would take them more time to explain
what you’re trying to do is already been done and maybe some of your
ideas are not the best, the last idea of stealing Ben’s movie and
pirating it on the internet will most probably not get met with
applause either 😉

Most of everything you asked is on the main ibogaine sites,
ibogaine.org, mindvox, ibogaine.co.uk already. If you can’t bother to
find the answers to your own questions, that probably makes the people
who spent all the time to already do all this and make their own work
available for free, even less likely to have interest. What you look
like you always ask is that you have a idea and then want everyone
else to do the work for you and end up with, yet another ibogaine site
that has no original research or information and only links all the
sites that are already on page 1 when you google for ibogaine.

I do reply because you seem to be a nice person who wants to help, but
at least from what I’ve read, your idea of help is asking people to
redo work they’ve already done and then present it to you neatly
organized so you can republish it on yet another ibogaine site that
nobody will ever read because it will be on page 50 of a ibogaine
search. This accomplishes nothing for ibogaine because nobody is
listening to you and maybe fills up time as a hobby for you.

I’m not a ibogaine expert by a long shot but I can answer maybe 3/4 of
the messages you asked, because I take the time to read and search on
google instead of posting huge messages making many demands with no
solutions. People who ask for help here get it, because that’s the
main reason we are here, addicts helping each other and sorry to use
the word addict, how about people helping each other.

Good luck! If this is what you want to do, then you should probably do
some work on it!
KV

On 3/23/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it
all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express
their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like
to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the
main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but
if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since
I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express
what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck
yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that
already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide
Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres,
hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how
many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that
something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain
Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine?
Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages
on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and
Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links,
explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there
someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in
Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and
publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal
help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is
sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made
better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help,
faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 2:28:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I thought it was a cool movie. Simplified alot maybe, but what did you
find cultish about it?

.:vector:.

— jon@mindvox.com wrote:

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: jon@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 2:14:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if you’re into cult propaganda, sure…

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 2:10:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What tbe bleep was a great movie. Nearly everyone I know who saw it
liked it, for different reasons. Rent it!

.:vector:.

— tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in
the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our
addictions.”
(Same movie)

 

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 11:13:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Guy, congratulations on your sobriety! In answer to your question , i think there are many goals for folks here , some do ibogaine to reduce their habit- or milligrams of needed analgesia, most to get off opiates, for me it has been to get drug free – a kind of quality of life thing. Lord knows I’ve done it several ways, continued to drink “socially”,( pot’s not my deal- sure got saturated from 65-75),this time I’ve been drug free over a year now. The neat thing here is the freedom we give each other to be who we are without an agenda, you get to decide your goal & get the support ,leave the part that doesnt fit.love shelley

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

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From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 23, 2006 at 10:59:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Franktisek, I’m not sure why I’m writing you and I’m certainly not
in the ibogaine expert category, I guess I’m answering because I seem
to be the only one who ever replies to your messages 😉

From what I gather most or all of what you’ve suggested and more, has
been done over years of time by people like Howard, Patrick, Dana,
Nick Sandberg, those who already run the main ibogaine sites. I think
maybe nobody replies because it would take them more time to explain
what you’re trying to do is already been done and maybe some of your
ideas are not the best, the last idea of stealing Ben’s movie and
pirating it on the internet will most probably not get met with
applause either 😉

Most of everything you asked is on the main ibogaine sites,
ibogaine.org, mindvox, ibogaine.co.uk already. If you can’t bother to
find the answers to your own questions, that probably makes the people
who spent all the time to already do all this and make their own work
available for free, even less likely to have interest. What you look
like you always ask is that you have a idea and then want everyone
else to do the work for you and end up with, yet another ibogaine site
that has no original research or information and only links all the
sites that are already on page 1 when you google for ibogaine.

I do reply because you seem to be a nice person who wants to help, but
at least from what I’ve read, your idea of help is asking people to
redo work they’ve already done and then present it to you neatly
organized so you can republish it on yet another ibogaine site that
nobody will ever read because it will be on page 50 of a ibogaine
search. This accomplishes nothing for ibogaine because nobody is
listening to you and maybe fills up time as a hobby for you.

I’m not a ibogaine expert by a long shot but I can answer maybe 3/4 of
the messages you asked, because I take the time to read and search on
google instead of posting huge messages making many demands with no
solutions. People who ask for help here get it, because that’s the
main reason we are here, addicts helping each other and sorry to use
the word addict, how about people helping each other.

Good luck! If this is what you want to do, then you should probably do
some work on it!
KV

On 3/23/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] slightly OT; “What the Bleep Do We Know?”
Date: March 23, 2006 at 9:49:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“The real challenge in life isn’t to be in the know, it’s to be in the mystery.”
– from “What the Bleep Do We Know?”

Has anyone else seen this documentary?  I highly recommend it to
anyone interested in having their brain turned inside out from
possibilities….
Hope all are well, and welcome to the freak show, Colleen!!
love tink
“We must pursue knowledge without any interference form our addictions.”
(Same movie)

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] Self-Harm is good for you!
Date: March 23, 2006 at 9:26:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: _Lister <lister@technorama.net>
Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: [Vox] Self-Harm is good for you!
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4830448.stm

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 23, 2006 at 9:24:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
As usual, you rock!
love ya
tink

On 3/22/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Before we get TOOOOOOOO Serial on this……….

The great chicken and egg debate, finally resolved!!!!!

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed.

The chicken is leaning against the headboard, a satisfied smile on its
face.

The egg, looking a bit irritated, grabs the sheet, rolls over, and says,
“Well, I guess we finally answered THAT question!”

 

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 8:30:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Iboga helped me beat my addiction to opiates..  That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy cannabis, or other psychedelics..  They also helped me kick hard drugs..  I have no desire to stop smokin cannabis, or using LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, DMT, etc…   I have found that I can take any drugs I choose now, without the fear of addiction..  I have even been prescribed vicodin for broken bones, which I used to curb the pain..  I gave away the rest when the pain stopped..  I have no cravings, nor desire to get high on opiates, at all…  I used Iboga to be free of addiction, not free of drugs..  Hell, caffeine in your morning cup of coffee is a drug, will you stop caffeine(I have)?  I believe that certain substances have a much greater potential for abuse, and I can now decide what I want to do, rather than be guided by habit..  While many on the list may believe that using any drugs may lead them back to addiction, I have been using the drugs I choose since my Iboga treatment, and I need nothing to feel fine..  That was the purpose I took Iboga for, to free myself of addiction, and it worked…  Hope this sheds some light…  I’ll never stop trippin or smokin the herb!!
CE

BTW there is meetings for people who want to do the 12 steps(NA/AA), however, the 12 steps never worked for me…

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Move on with Ibogaine
Date: March 23, 2006 at 8:00:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This forum is running so fast now, that I really can’t catch up reading it all. Most of posts seem to me either empty talk or people trying to express their lives misery. Maybe I’m just lazy to read though. I like humour and I like to say that life sucks just as everyone else does, but are we not missing the main point here?

I really want to do something to bring Ibogaine closer to the light.
More specifically, I want all addicts to have hope.

Well, couple questions here!
Probably towards Mr. Howard, since he is most informed about everything, but if anyone of you feels you have something to comment, please do it!

First of all, I heard this hundred times, but it’s never enough for me, since I was never addicted.
1. ARE YOU SURE IBOGAINE WORKS?
And I don’t want you to understand this question wrong. Can you try to express what may be stated about Ibogaine with no doubt? (Please, do not say ‘fuck yeah!’ or tell me, it’s extract of root of some African plant – I learned that already!)

2. IS THERE ANY PLAN?
Is there a leader person or leader organisation with plan what to provide Ibogaine to everyone who needs it? What steps are missing?

3. WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY?
What communication has been done with different governments, drug centres, hospitals, and rich people?
How far did it come in scientific researches?
Were there any courses done in public places, schools or churches?
What about posters and so?
I found endless sources on Internet, but what about TV shows?
Was Ibogaine ever mentioned in any mass-movie?
Can you estimate, how many people has already heard about Ibogaine and how many are positive about it?

4. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION HOW I COULD BE HELPFUL?
I agree here, that main problem is, that most people don’t have even idea that something like Ibogaine could exist. What can we do about it?

There is .eu domain registration open now. (Did anyone of you try domain Ibogaine.com or Ibogaine.info – what does this content have to do with Ibogaine? Well, .com probably expires next year and .info at september. There are no pages on .org, which is registered to NDA.) I would like to register Ibogaine.eu and Detox.eu domains and make very general web pages with tons of links, explanations, statistics and so. What do you people think about it, is there someone here interested in helping me?

I have two side questions: From what disease was treated the African lady in Rite of passage movie? Would you mind me to convert the movie to divx and publish it on Internet?

I’m pretty certain that I would get more replies if I needed some personal help. Well that’s cool too. You are nice people and love and personal help is sure most important. But I still believe that this fucked-up world may be made better by good people joining together and doing something big.
Please participate in improving in what all people agree is good – hope, help, faith, freedom … any ideas?

 

With love and devotion

fanyz

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 7:48:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and of course my sig line shoulda read Report on the Staten Island Project, not Staton…
Ooops, darn drugs.
;-))
Peace and much love.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staten Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

>I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!
Love to all and stay clean<

Hi Guy,
The above may be what YOU wanted/needed from taking ibogaine, but it’s not what I wanted from taking ibogaine- being completely clean off all outside substances. I never ever claimed that’s what I wanted myself, nor will I ever I suspect.
I may or may not be one of those you’re discussing when noting that some folk seem to be “glamorizing all sorts of shit” in emails to the list, but regardless, I just wanted to point out that I obviously had/have different aims from taking ibogaine than you, but that’s totally cool with me.
I’ve ALWAYS found the ibogaine list a “drug users’ chat room,” whether the people posting are still using “drugs” or not. Considering it was a “drug” that got you to the point you are now (ibogaine I mean) I’m surprised that you, and anyone else who voices similar notions here, seem to feel that once you are “clean,” discussions about other drugs aren’t cool or unhelpful.
Peace and love and much respect,
Preston, who doesn’t want to stay “clean” other than from those habits which leave me suffering.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staton Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 7:41:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!
Love to all and stay clean<

Hi Guy,
The above may be what YOU wanted/needed from taking ibogaine, but it’s not what I wanted from taking ibogaine- being completely clean off all outside substances. I never ever claimed that’s what I wanted myself, nor will I ever I suspect.
I may or may not be one of those you’re discussing when noting that some folk seem to be “glamorizing all sorts of shit” in emails to the list, but regardless, I just wanted to point out that I obviously had/have different aims from taking ibogaine than you, but that’s totally cool with me.
I’ve ALWAYS found the ibogaine list a “drug users’ chat room,” whether the people posting are still using “drugs” or not. Considering it was a “drug” that got you to the point you are now (ibogaine I mean) I’m surprised that you, and anyone else who voices similar notions here, seem to feel that once you are “clean,” discussions about other drugs aren’t cool or unhelpful.
Peace and love and much respect,
Preston, who doesn’t want to stay “clean” other than from those habits which leave me suffering.
—–
“Bring us, oh Cardinal, three junkies.
Give them the wine and the wafer,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
We’ll bring three junkies also,
give them Ibogaine,
and sit with them for forty-eight hours.
At the end of the time,
you have breakfast with your junkies,
and we’ll have breakfast with ours.”
Beal/Armentano-
The Ibogaine Story:
Report on the Staton Island Project

Peace and love.
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I dont get it

Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

From: COLLEEN COLLEEN <cjones2929@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 6:52:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you are definetly not alone, i so get it and i hope to remain and stay chemical free. it’s such a better way for me.  yeah, stay clean. many blessings in your walk in the sunlight of the spirits.

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

From: COLLEEN COLLEEN <cjones2929@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to the list
Date: March 23, 2006 at 6:38:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

many thanks, truly, for the welcomes. the powerful magic of the medicine along with a rearrangement of my brain was welcomed.    the first two times i got to do the ibo in a big blast was way effective and way rearranging and the aftershock, especially the first time i was totally unprepared as i returned to my so called real world, it was difficult (totally understated-I unraveled)  for all but helped me in so many ways and in looking back it was just the beginning, this last experience the medicine was administered over four days as the symptoms of withdrawl appeared, the medicine was administered, and the symptoms disappeared, the third day a kind of flooding with the Ibo, which was awesome.  completely horizontal, awake, and crystal clear in the brain for five days, which allowed the medicine to work in a new way for me, i experienced the time that was so needed for giving my full attention to some root stuff, really that i had been avoiding most of my life, it was harsh at first, as my brain can be, and then there was such a huge and powerful change, i believe the spirits entered, offering love and answers to this stuff that really wasn’t all that big a deal, no more harshness, it is amazing that when i gave my full attention to some of this, mostly family stuff, it lost a lot of its power, now i know its only a beginning and at least i have a starting place and i am grateful, for it is time to move on and not stay stuck in the past… my brain continues to feel the “aftershock” , rearrangement, I haven’t quite landed, maybe i wont, don’t really care if i do, i have been having a hell of a good time with my friends and my little girl,, so much laughing, smiling, inside and out, the energy is good, real good,
I didn’t completely unravel either
the focus on the job a little waning,  work is overrated and inconvenient oh well how important is it anyway (yeah right).  i am amazed how well i did my job loaded and how well i do it now,
forty five and  i feel so new at all of this.the ibo began my initiation to waking up and jumping back into the fast pace is trying to put me to sleep.  slow is real
take care, many blessings always

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I dont get it
Date: March 23, 2006 at 6:36:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi everybody, Guy here, I,ve been working in capetown but back now. Just over a month since I did the Ibo and still clean and strong. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I don’t get it?
I thought we took Ibogaine to get off drugs and there seem to be a lot of letters telling us how to get the best out of various substances. I thought the point of Ibogaine is that it shows us that we do not need any drugs and helps us get there. To a clean place. I really do not need to learn any new drug or substance tricks or get any advice on how or what is the best one or type to take.
Am I alone in this, but people seem to be glamourizing all sorts of shit in their letters. it seems to be becoming a drug users chat room instead of clean people helping and supporting others with the same desire!!

Love to all and stay clean
Guy

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???& the house of 1000 corpses
Date: March 23, 2006 at 6:04:40 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

preston, that reminds of a line Otis says in rob zombies movie, the house of 1000 corpses. cant remember it exactly
but its something to the effect of ‘you’re so dumb if i told you hell was in that fireplace you’d stick you’re head in for a look,
meanwhile you got a pack of demons with their heads stickin outta your arse sayin “golly miss molly we got us a live one”
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

>is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.<

Sounds neat and all, but I’d like to see someone stick their fingers into the fire, even blindfolded with no idea that’s what happening, and see if they don’t get burned- which I myself suspect is definitely going to happen.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hi,

Interesting view, once explained to me in the following way:
Imagine a painting (creation), which depicts everything that was, is and will be (time). We, us, our limited consciousness look at this picture through a tiny straw, all we can conceive is what we see through the straw.
The straw is moving, giving us the illusion of time and space.
Here we are, stuck with a tunnel vision of That  What Is.
Forgotten that there is no coming or going, that we are All and One.
Gracias a Dios

Henk

Kevin Brady wrote:

Time is an illusion.  There is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.  Each moment is a complete universe.  The impression of motion is created by the viewpoint scanning through moments, much like animation. The speed with which we compulsively scan through the moments fools us into “belief” in time, space, location, etc.

In other words, they both came first.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

Facilitator, Applied Metapsychology International/Traumatic Incident Reduction Association
www.tir.org

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:47:00 +1200

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
>The real truth is that there is no chicken.
>
>=)
>
>> Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
>> It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
>horny birds of
>> different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
>> Chuckle.
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
>>
>> Hello all,
>>           Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

>Of
>> course,
>> the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
>Father.
>>                                                    Bless you my
>Son!!!
>> Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

> Bless
>> you
>> all Paul!!!
>>
>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 23, 2006 at 4:46:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.<

Sounds neat and all, but I’d like to see someone stick their fingers into the fire, even blindfolded with no idea that’s what happening, and see if they don’t get burned- which I myself suspect is definitely going to happen.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Henk” <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hi,

Interesting view, once explained to me in the following way:
Imagine a painting (creation), which depicts everything that was, is and will be (time). We, us, our limited consciousness look at this picture through a tiny straw, all we can conceive is what we see through the straw.
The straw is moving, giving us the illusion of time and space.
Here we are, stuck with a tunnel vision of That  What Is.
Forgotten that there is no coming or going, that we are All and One.
Gracias a Dios

Henk

Kevin Brady wrote:

Time is an illusion.  There is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.  Each moment is a complete universe.  The impression of motion is created by the viewpoint scanning through moments, much like animation. The speed with which we compulsively scan through the moments fools us into “belief” in time, space, location, etc.

In other words, they both came first.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

Facilitator, Applied Metapsychology International/Traumatic Incident Reduction Association
www.tir.org

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:47:00 +1200

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
>The real truth is that there is no chicken.
>
>=)
>
>> Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
>> It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
>horny birds of
>> different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
>> Chuckle.
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
>>
>> Hello all,
>>           Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

>Of
>> course,
>> the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
>Father.
>>                                                    Bless you my
>Son!!!
>> Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

> Bless
>> you
>> all Paul!!!
>>
>>
>_________________________________________________________________
>> Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN
>Messenger
>> 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Panel Advises Disclosure of Drugs’ Psychotic Effects
Date: March 23, 2006 at 5:02:04 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Panel Advises Disclosure of Drugs’ Psychotic Effects

By GARDINER HARRIS
Published: March 23, 2006
GAITHERSBURG, Md., March 22 – Stimulants like Ritalin lead a small number of children to suffer hallucinations that usually feature insects, snakes or worms, according to federal drug officials, and a panel of experts said on Wednesday that physicians and parents needed to be warned of the risk.
The panel members said they hoped the warning would prevent physicians from prescribing a second drug to treat the hallucinations caused by the stimulants, which one expert estimated affect 2 to 5 of every 100 children taking them. Instead, they said, the right thing to do in such cases was to stop prescribing the stimulants.
On Feb. 9, a different advisory committee voted 8 to 7 to recommend that the Food and Drug Administration place its most serious warning label, a so-called black box, on the labels of stimulants to warn that they could have dangerous effects on the heart, particularly in adults. That recommendation grew out of reports that 25 people, mostly children, had died suddenly while taking the drugs.
The twin conclusions come more than 50 years after Ritalin was first approved to treat attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity. Since then, stimulants have become among the most widely prescribed medicines in the world. In the United States alone, about 2.5 million children and 1.5 million adults take them; as many as 10 percent of boys ages 10 to 12 do.
In addition to Ritalin, two other stimulants, Adderall and Concerta, are popular.
The drugs have been studied in hundreds of trials over five decades and have proven to be extremely effective. But they have always been controversial, with some experts saying they are overprescribed. It is a measure of the difficulty of uncovering the physiological effects of medicines that experts are only now grappling with some of the drugs’ serious, though rare, physical and mental effects.
Dr. Thomas B. Newman, an epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who is a member of the pediatric advisory committee, estimated that out of 100 patients treated for a year with stimulants, 2 to 5 will suffer serious psychotic episodes like hallucinations.
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Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
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Peace and love,
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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]nice thought jase
Date: March 23, 2006 at 1:06:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks for the suggestions to claude jasen. however, since we got back together in december we have not
had sex. he considers me his life partner but is probably one of the only asexual men ive come across in my
life. so once again thanks, youve just drawn attention to my frustrations and probably one of the causes of my
angst…….. aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh ;))))
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love Chi

Hey Chi,

Yes,..I understand fragile, when I was reducing I also would get fragile at times.
As you know when you are reducing off methadone a lot of emotions come to
the surface making you fragile and emotional. This is a part of reducing, and hey,..
it’s ok,..it’s simply a process,..just understand what’s happening,..if you feel like
crying your eyes out then cry,..if you feel like screaming then scream and if you
feel like laughing then laugh your arse off.

Take your time reducing,..don’t be in too much of a hurry,..let things come to the
surface slowly so you can handle it better.

You now know about Ibo’ and this has given you hope, Lotsof hope The change in you from
the first time I met you till now is already huge,..mainly from hope,..a way out.

Remember,.. by doing this for yourself
you do it for others, as what you do for yourself you do for another and what you do
for another you do for your self.

Kung Fu woman,..yeah,..you go girl,..I am sure Claude won’t mind massaging those
legs. Oh and by the way,..the more sex you have with Claude the better. (wink to Claude).

Kirsty is hysterical,..we had a lot of laughs,..still do,..love that girl.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

thanks jasen, you’re always so positive. i feel im doing so well at the moment but i am still fragile –
if claude wasnt here as support i feel that anyone being negative about my progress will make me think
‘what the hell, might as well go and score then. i am just a useless junkie afterall’. because im lucky enough
to have people like claude and yourself encouraging me im not going to let that happen.
kung fu last night. an hour and half of sheer torture, my legs are in agony.
chi xo
btw…;. kirsty is hysterical, you guys must have had a ball
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Hey Chi,

I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
very dangerous.

You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.

When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to start
with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
that’s the best advice first and foremost.

Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before doing
my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.

love, Jasen

 

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 23, 2006 at 12:39:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Interesting view, once explained to me in the following way:
Imagine a painting (creation), which depicts everything that was, is and will be (time). We, us, our limited consciousness look at this picture through a tiny straw, all we can conceive is what we see through the straw.
The straw is moving, giving us the illusion of time and space.
Here we are, stuck with a tunnel vision of That  What Is.
Forgotten that there is no coming or going, that we are All and One.
Gracias a Dios

Henk

Kevin Brady wrote:

Time is an illusion.  There is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.  Each moment is a complete universe.  The impression of motion is created by the viewpoint scanning through moments, much like animation.  The speed with which we compulsively scan through the moments fools us into “belief” in time, space, location, etc.

In other words, they both came first.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

Facilitator, Applied Metapsychology International/Traumatic Incident Reduction Association
www.tir.org

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:47:00 +1200

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
>The real truth is that there is no chicken.
>
>=)
>
>> Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
>> It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
>horny birds of
>> different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
>> Chuckle.
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
>>
>> Hello all,
>>           Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

>Of
>> course,
>> the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
>Father.
>>                                                    Bless you my
>Son!!!
>> Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

> Bless
>> you
>> all Paul!!!
>>
>>
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From: “Richard Harris” <richardh_2005@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 22, 2006 at 8:20:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

cDc is the shiznit, Vox is beyond cool, never heard of no yippies until I started reading this place. Would have to say mebbe the problem with the “youth international party” is that other then being over with according to paul krasnner who invented them, the “youth” they rep are all pushing 60 >:P nothing wrong with that, but reading the most tagged up into Kroupa’s external links http://yippie.mindvox.com/speakers.html, the only peeps I recognize other hten kroupa are Hunter S. Thompson and he’s dead now isn’t he and Grace Slick. Recognize Dana because of ibogaine the CNW links opening on what seems like every second page of the MindVox site.

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:00:14 -0800 (PST)

Interesting fusion of the hacker underground and ibogaine 😉 Sacrament,
MindVox, Cures not Wars and cDc? 🙂 🙂 🙂 Never thought I’d see that
one 🙂

I don’t have any trouble understanding how the el337 h4xor underground
gets mixed into whatever your interest are Patrick, but it is a little
weird to start finding ibogaine in cyberpunk role playing games.
Ibogaine is now a brain expansion drug that gives you added powers in
the matrix 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂 No other psychedelics mentioned, but if Lord
Digital does it, it must be cool 😉

(search for ibogaine)

http://www.serenadawn.com/GITS-InformationAge.htm

http://syrisgone.livejournal.com/3655.html

You really should write a book Patrick, you’ve got a whole generation
of kids who were 5 when you started MindVox and weren’t born when you
were in LOD. No matter what you write, your cult is going to buy it 😉

Speaking of cults, the cDc army is doing a amazing job of building
shrines to you all over the internet, but I am
wondering…………..why is there so much Dana Beal wedged into all
your entries? 😉 It almost looks like someone edits your entries to
insert nothing but Dana Beal and Cures Not Wars. Very different writing
styles too 😉 ‘dude hacking! dude LOD! dude lord digital! dude heroin,
drugs, ibogaine!’ with a dana beal and yippie rant that mysteriously
references Dana Beal always put in there. I wonder who could be doing
that 😉 I’m sure if you asked cDc, not one person in 100 would know
what a yippie even is. I always forget, Dana has his own dysfunctional
army, I guess some of them can type 🙂

This has been a truly bizarre collection of crossed hits for ibogaine
this afternoon. Ok why not, Vox, cDc and CnW.

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 22, 2006 at 8:00:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Interesting fusion of the hacker underground and ibogaine 😉 Sacrament,
MindVox, Cures not Wars and cDc? 🙂 🙂 🙂 Never thought I’d see that
one 🙂

I don’t have any trouble understanding how the el337 h4xor underground
gets mixed into whatever your interest are Patrick, but it is a little
weird to start finding ibogaine in cyberpunk role playing games.
Ibogaine is now a brain expansion drug that gives you added powers in
the matrix 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂 No other psychedelics mentioned, but if Lord
Digital does it, it must be cool 😉

(search for ibogaine)

http://www.serenadawn.com/GITS-InformationAge.htm

http://syrisgone.livejournal.com/3655.html

You really should write a book Patrick, you’ve got a whole generation
of kids who were 5 when you started MindVox and weren’t born when you
were in LOD. No matter what you write, your cult is going to buy it 😉

Speaking of cults, the cDc army is doing a amazing job of building
shrines to you all over the internet, but I am
wondering…………..why is there so much Dana Beal wedged into all
your entries? 😉 It almost looks like someone edits your entries to
insert nothing but Dana Beal and Cures Not Wars. Very different writing
styles too 😉 ‘dude hacking! dude LOD! dude lord digital! dude heroin,
drugs, ibogaine!’ with a dana beal and yippie rant that mysteriously
references Dana Beal always put in there. I wonder who could be doing
that 😉 I’m sure if you asked cDc, not one person in 100 would know
what a yippie even is. I always forget, Dana has his own dysfunctional
army, I guess some of them can type 🙂

This has been a truly bizarre collection of crossed hits for ibogaine
this afternoon. Ok why not, Vox, cDc and CnW.

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 4:29:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Love ya Kirsty!
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New to the list
Date: March 22, 2006 at 3:43:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ahhhh,WELCOME cjones!! You give me hope! I bet it does feel amazing to be off clinic for week and not sick! Your clinic ‘buddies’ and staff would find it hard to believe also.
Please post a lot. Keep me/us informed of honestly how you are doing.
Again, welcome and I hope you can continue to slow your life down to what is comfortable to you.
Peace and virtual hugs!
Callie

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 3:13:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Before we get TOOOOOOOO Serial on this……….

The great chicken and egg debate, finally resolved!!!!!

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed.

The chicken is leaning against the headboard, a satisfied smile on its
face.

The egg, looking a bit irritated, grabs the sheet, rolls over, and says,
“Well, I guess we finally answered THAT question!”

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] New to the list
Date: March 22, 2006 at 2:55:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Colleen,
Hehehe you brain sounds like mine at the moment……the lack of sleep thing tends to fry it a bit and I am sure everyone who has been thru that is smiling along with you.
Totally understand the rat race thing…..and kids jobs n bills wait for no one………keeping my eyes open for an alternative lol.  Is selling off teenagers illegal??????????  Must look into that….. ;o)
Anyway, keep writing nobody bites unless you ask them to…..
Oh, one question, to everyone who has done Ibogaine without breaking a habit, what’s the aftershock like?  Just the sleep thing I gather…? What’s energy like?
Koiky xxx
From: COLLEEN COLLEEN [mailto:cjones2929@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:21 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to the list

Howdy. . . not sure what to say or where to start.  six weeks since my session which was by far the best one yet. six weeks off all the chemicals. it’s interesting, the method of administration was different than mexico in 2003 (strung out) or the ceremony in 2004 (clean) and feeling like this gradual method was not only gentle yet far reaching internally. . .Safe . .  time will tell  I am just SO fucking grateful to wake up clean and not sick.  I have been reading some of the e mails from the list …and the one thing I am hearing and I get and have is a loving supportive network that want me healthy.  i have eliminated the negative.  the one thing i would like to be different, is that i could allow more time to heal before jumping back into the fast paced life that i live, somehow slow it down, it’s definetly my goal, however the kid, the job, the bills don’t quite allow it YET.  the county condones the rat race.  Whatever, most importantly, is that the spirt of Iboga saved my life again and offered a way out of the dark dark world of drug addiction.  Okay so I am rambling on, yeah… still hoping for sleep, though it’s so much better, at first for several weeks i would go a hell of a long time not sleeping, part of the deal coming of the juice.  so amazing tojump off the clinic and the next week be free of the stuff, no withdrawl. what a miracle medicine.  have i written too much?  wishing my ibo brothers and sisters MANY BLESSINGS!
Thanks for the angry alien website

 

From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 2:54:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Time is an illusion.  There is no such thing as motion, or heat, or energy.  Each moment is a complete universe.  The impression of motion is created by the viewpoint scanning through moments, much like animation.  The speed with which we compulsively scan through the moments fools us into “belief” in time, space, location, etc.

In other words, they both came first.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

Facilitator, Applied Metapsychology International/Traumatic Incident Reduction Association
www.tir.org

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:47:00 +1200

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
>The real truth is that there is no chicken.
>
>=)
>
>> Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
>> It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
>horny birds of
>> different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
>> Chuckle.
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
>>
>> Hello all,
>>           Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

>Of
>> course,
>> the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
>Father.
>>                                                    Bless you my
>Son!!!
>> Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

> Bless
>> you
>> all Paul!!!
>>
>>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 2:47:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Ego and the chicken or the Egg-o and the chicken?
This could get interesting…

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 5:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
The real truth is that there is no chicken.

=)

Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
horny birds of
different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
Chuckle.

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

Of
course,
the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
Father.
Bless you my
Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

Bless
you
all Paul!!!

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 12:09:59 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The ego and the chicken are one.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:14:29 -0800 jon@mindvox.com wrote:
The real truth is that there is no chicken.

=)

Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of
horny birds of
different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
Chuckle.

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son.

Of
course,
the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou
Father.
Bless you my
Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect

Bless
you
all Paul!!!

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From: jon@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 10:14:29 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The real truth is that there is no chicken.

=)

Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of horny birds of
different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
Chuckle.

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son. Of
course,
the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou Father.
Bless you my Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect                               Bless
you
all Paul!!!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New to the list
Date: March 22, 2006 at 8:04:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and the one thing I am hearing and I get and have is a loving supportive network that want me healthy.  i have eliminated the negative.<

This is SO key to my own peace of mind and spirit. I have to work at it for sure- it ain’t easy to keep this attitude at all time, feeling like a good scream every so often (Hi Nick), but it’s such a positive thing for ME to struggle to be positive, to keep what I consider positive energy- which doesn’t involve screaming (Hi again Nick).
BTW, I’m just ribbing Nick here, in a completely positive feeling of (new agey?) energy.
I have found that if I exude this positive energy out to the world, it come back at Least 10 fold. I’ve always believed there’s a lot to the whole “magic” idea, influencing out surroundings in ways not normally accepted by the status quo, but having experienced a slew of interesting and joyful happenings since my return from Sara’s (Hi Sara- much love to you and the kids), I have to say I’ve now experienced real,  honest to goodness, what I call “magic” in that instead of putting out that “god I am in pain/I’m miserable/isn’t life hard” vibe I was wallowing in for some time, I remain vigilant of this creeping nasty energy and focus instead of the good, constructive and healthy energy, which attracts the same (though I admit it’s not always easy and happy energy I run into, that life does indeed place hurdles and tests of sorts in my way- but then I CHOSE to react to what comes, nothing forces me to scream and yell, that’s something I’d have to chose to do these days).
Good to hear from a new voice, one who has started posting After having taken ibogaine too. That’s a change here.
;-))
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Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
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—– Original Message —– From: COLLEEN COLLEEN
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:21 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to the list

Howdy. . . not sure what to say or where to start.  six weeks since my session which was by far the best one yet. six weeks off all the chemicals. it’s interesting, the method of administration was different than mexico in 2003 (strung out) or the ceremony in 2004 (clean) and feeling like this gradual method was not only gentle yet far reaching internally. . .Safe . . time will tell  I am just SO fucking grateful to wake up clean and not sick. I have been reading some of the e mails from the list …and the one thing I am hearing and I get and have is a loving supportive network that want me healthy.  i have eliminated the negative.  the one thing i would like to be different, is that i could allow more time to heal before jumping back into the fast paced life that i live, somehow slow it down, it’s definetly my goal, however the kid, the job, the bills don’t quite allow it YET.  the county condones the rat race.  Whatever, most importantly, is that the spirt of Iboga saved my life again and offered a way out of the dark dark world of drug addiction.  Okay so I am rambling on, yeah… still hoping for sleep, though it’s so much better, at first for several weeks i would go a hell of a long time not sleeping, part of the deal coming of the juice.  so amazing tojump off the clinic and the next week be free of the stuff, no withdrawl. what a miracle medicine.  have i written too much?  wishing my ibo brothers and sisters MANY BLESSINGS!
Thanks for the angry alien website

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From: COLLEEN COLLEEN <cjones2929@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to the list
Date: March 22, 2006 at 7:21:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howdy. . . not sure what to say or where to start.  six weeks since my session which was by far the best one yet. six weeks off all the chemicals. it’s interesting, the method of administration was different than mexico in 2003 (strung out) or the ceremony in 2004 (clean) and feeling like this gradual method was not only gentle yet far reaching internally. . .Safe . .  time will tell  I am just SO fucking grateful to wake up clean and not sick.  I have been reading some of the e mails from the list …and the one thing I am hearing and I get and have is a loving supportive network that want me healthy.  i have eliminated the negative.  the one thing i would like to be different, is that i could allow more time to heal before jumping back into the fast paced life that i live, somehow slow it down, it’s definetly my goal, however the kid, the job, the bills don’t quite allow it YET.  the county condones the rat race.  Whatever, most importantly, is that the spirt of Iboga saved my life again and offered a way out of the dark dark world of drug addiction.  Okay so I am rambling on, yeah… still hoping for sleep, though it’s so much better, at first for several weeks i would go a hell of a long time not sleeping, part of the deal coming of the juice.  so amazing tojump off the clinic and the next week be free of the stuff, no withdrawl. what a miracle medicine.  have i written too much?  wishing my ibo brothers and sisters MANY BLESSINGS!
Thanks for the angry alien website

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 5:34:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, actually Paul, I heard a different story…..
It was actually the egg which was the result of a couple of horny birds of
different species (of wot I dunno mate….) getting’ it on bro,
Chuckle.

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:31 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son. Of course,
the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou Father.
Bless you my Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect                               Bless you
all Paul!!!

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Which came first???
Date: March 22, 2006 at 4:31:29 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,
Which came first. The Chicken or the egg? Well my Son. Of course, the Chicken, for, how else would they have babies. Thankyou Father.
Bless you my Son!!!
Strength, Power and Honour, Respect                               Bless you all Paul!!!

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: [IbogaTherapyHouse] Update on the Iboga Therapy House program]
Date: March 22, 2006 at 12:47:30 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

——– Original Message ——–
Subject:
[IbogaTherapyHouse] Update on the Iboga Therapy House program
Date:
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:30:48 -0600 (CST)
From:
sandra@ibogatherapyhouse.net
To:
newsletter@ibogatherapyhouse.net

Ibogaine Treatment:
A Progress Report on the Iboga Therapy House and Request for Applications

I am pleased to announce that through the generous funding, assistance
and mentorship of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic
Studies (MAPS) and after many long months of setbacks and challenges,
the Iboga Therapy House is now a non-profit society ready to open the
doors of our ibogaine facility in Canada.

Our ibogaine therapy program is based on a holistic harm reduction and
health promotion-based approach to recovery and personal exploration. It
is
our goal to facilitate an improvement in the quality of life of those
seeking recovery from chemical dependence in a safe and supportive
environment and to also support the psychospiritual and therapeutic
exploration of deeper issues through processes facilitated by the powerful
experience that ibogaine may catalyze.

Our staff consists of two Emergency Medical Technicians (1st Aid Level
3) to be present in case of an emergency, ten facilitators with a wide
range%20of skills to monitor and support participants in their
treatment (including two professional substance use counselors)
plus a host of community volunteers offering aftercare services such as
bodywork/massage therapy, ecstatic dance, guided breathwork, reiki,
aromatherapy, light exercise such as yoga and comprehensive nutritional
planning.

For more information about our program please see our website at:
http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net

*Applications*

We are now accepting applications from chemically dependant individuals
seeking detoxification through ibogaine-assisted therapy.

We also provide a venue for facilitating ibogaine-assisted psychospiritual
explorations.

The cost of participation is $3500 CDN (approximately $3000 USD) for a 5
day residential ibogaine therapy program. This price is all inclusive and
is based on a non-profit model.

If you are interested in applying for ibogaine therapy, please respond
to Sandra@ibogatherapyhouse.net for an application guide or phone us at
604-215-1947.

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point, and some of you have been waiting for a long time to hear from
us. We are now confident that we will be able to offer you a safe and
supportive environment for your recovery. We look forward to the journey
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From: captkirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Chi
Date: March 21, 2006 at 10:39:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kia Ora Chi,
Hope you are doing great today.  Specially after a email
like that from Mr Oh Wise One Chamoun *wink*. Man, Claude is
gonna LOVE Jase, dishing out advice like that LOL!!!!
When i was reducing prior to doing the ibogaine, I said to
my counsellor don’t tell me when or how much just do it I
don’t want to know.  I never even noticed it.  Mind over
matter…. I didn’t mind so it didn’t matter lol.  Dates for
doing ibogaine got bounced around alot which kinda
frustrated me a lot and before Jasen got here I was in a bit
of panic mode and avoiding a lot of stuff…………the
morning Jasen flew in (on his broom) I was downing cat nip
tea like it was going out of fashion! But as soon as I saw
him any anxiety just vanished…cept for a few tears here n
there before treatment, well far out life changing
experience.
Anyway, got a official thank you letter from the Drug Clinic
thanking me for coming in and talked to the receptionist
today who is still buzzing from the talk I gave. Phew,
didn’t make a complete Eejit of myself then lol.
Chi, you’ll be on the other side of this before ya know it.
keep writing to us.  Love hearing from you, and hearing how
you are doing.
KIA KAHA (stay strong)
Aroha (love)
Kirsty xxxxxxx

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love Chi
Date: March 21, 2006 at 8:12:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Chi,

Yes,..I understand fragile, when I was reducing I also would get fragile at times.
As you know when you are reducing off methadone a lot of emotions come to
the surface making you fragile and emotional. This is a part of reducing, and hey,..
it’s ok,..it’s simply a process,..just understand what’s happening,..if you feel like
crying your eyes out then cry,..if you feel like screaming then scream and if you
feel like laughing then laugh your arse off.

Take your time reducing,..don’t be in too much of a hurry,..let things come to the
surface slowly so you can handle it better.

You now know about Ibo’ and this has given you hope, Lotsof hope The change in you from
the first time I met you till now is already huge,..mainly from hope,..a way out.

Remember,.. by doing this for yourself
you do it for others, as what you do for yourself you do for another and what you do
for another you do for your self.

Kung Fu woman,..yeah,..you go girl,..I am sure Claude won’t mind massaging those
legs. Oh and by the way,..the more sex you have with Claude the better. (wink to Claude).

Kirsty is hysterical,..we had a lot of laughs,..still do,..love that girl.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

thanks jasen, you’re always so positive. i feel im doing so well at the moment but i am still fragile –
if claude wasnt here as support i feel that anyone being negative about my progress will make me think
‘what the hell, might as well go and score then. i am just a useless junkie afterall’. because im lucky enough
to have people like claude and yourself encouraging me im not going to let that happen.
kung fu last night. an hour and half of sheer torture, my legs are in agony.
chi xo
btw…;. kirsty is hysterical, you guys must have had a ball
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Hey Chi,

I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
very dangerous.

You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.

When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to start
with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
that’s the best advice first and foremost.

Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before doing
my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.

love, Jasen

 

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From: marko <marko@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 4:49:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul,

this is not the right list to discuss Cosmic Reboot. It was only announced here (as it was elsewhere). I suggest that you read the Cosmic Reboot section at

http://sacrament.kibla.si/

and just
*FoLloW the yELloW BrIcK RoaD*

Marko

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Could you please send me some for free please so I can help my friend. He can’t get throught he pain, like i couldn’t without Iboga.
Bless!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:40:16 +0100 (CET)

>
would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂
>
> You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉
>
> .:vector:.
>
> — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:
>>
>> Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:
>>
>> Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
>> initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
>> individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
>> the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
>> seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
>> heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
>> or illicit molecules.
>>
>> We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
>> effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
>> and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
>> beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.
>>
>> If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
>> ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
>> begin offering remote initiations at no cost.
>>
>> One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
>> official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and
>>
>> Winter Solstice.
>>
>> …
>>
>> For further information, please see:
>>
>> http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html
>>
>> Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

 

 

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From: jon@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 4:40:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Maybe they could email him some virtual ibo =)

I’m not sure they’ll post to hotmail dot Com……………………

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:13 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot

Could you please send me some for free please so I can help my friend. He
can’t get throught he pain, like i couldn’t without Iboga.
Bless!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:40:16 +0100 (CET)

would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂

You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and

Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 4:25:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not sure they’ll post to hotmail dot Com……………………

—–Original Message—–
From: Paul Brookshaw [mailto:jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 9:13 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot

Could you please send me some for free please so I can help my friend. He
can’t get throught he pain, like i couldn’t without Iboga.
Bless!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:40:16 +0100 (CET)

would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂

You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and

Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

 

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 4:13:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Could you please send me some for free please so I can help my friend. He can’t get throught he pain, like i couldn’t without Iboga.
Bless!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:40:16 +0100 (CET)

>
would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂
>
> You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉
>
> .:vector:.
>
> — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:
>>
>> Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:
>>
>> Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
>> initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
>> individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
>> the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
>> seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
>> heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
>> or illicit molecules.
>>
>> We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
>> effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
>> and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
>> beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.
>>
>> If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
>> ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
>> begin offering remote initiations at no cost.
>>
>> One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
>> official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and
>>
>> Winter Solstice.
>>
>> …
>>
>> For further information, please see:
>>
>> http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html
>>
>> Patrick / Sacrament of Transition
>>
>
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 21, 2006 at 2:37:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Chi is lucky in that she will have Jasen with her for the treatment so ITS ALL GEWD!!!!!!!!

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 7:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Chi,

Everyone on this list is supportive of you.  We expect miracles but accept earthly delights and realities.  Aspects of ibogaine effects that I find most interesting is its ability to make the fragile strong and  to remove the fear that drives pathological drug dependence. But, there are never guarantees.  I could go on saying great thins about ibogaine but, there have also been a few fatalities and there is no definitive reason as to why. The developing belief within this discussion is that most likely they are cardiac related events which is one reason virtually everyone who goes for ibogaine therapy is asked to present an EKG and that is no guarantee. It just eliminates an at risk group.

http://doraweiner.org/aatod_hrc.html#kamlet

Howard

In a message dated 3/20/06 8:02:33 PM, cm67@optusnet.com.au writes:
thanks jasen, you’re always so positive. i feel im doing so well at the
moment but i am still fragile -
if claude wasnt here as support i feel that anyone being negative about my
progress will make me think
’what the hell, might as well go and score then. i am just a useless junkie
afterall’. because im lucky enough
to have people like claude and yourself encouraging me im not going to let
that happen.
kung fu last night. an hour and half of sheer torture, my legs are in agony.
chi xo
btw…;. kirsty is hysterical, you guys must have had a ball
—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love


> Hey Chi,
>
> I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
> that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
> very dangerous.
>
> You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.
>
> When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to
> start
> with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
> that’s the best advice first and foremost.
>
> Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before
> doing
> my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
> a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.
>
>                                                          love, Jasen
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 21, 2006 at 2:32:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Chi,

Everyone on this list is supportive of you.  We expect miracles but accept earthly delights and realities.  Aspects of ibogaine effects that I find most interesting is its ability to make the fragile strong and  to remove the fear that drives pathological drug dependence. But, there are never guarantees.  I could go on saying great thins about ibogaine but, there have also been a few fatalities and there is no definitive reason as to why. The developing belief within this discussion is that most likely they are cardiac related events which is one reason virtually everyone who goes for ibogaine therapy is asked to present an EKG and that is no guarantee. It just eliminates an at risk group.

http://doraweiner.org/aatod_hrc.html#kamlet

Howard

In a message dated 3/20/06 8:02:33 PM, cm67@optusnet.com.au writes:

thanks jasen, you’re always so positive. i feel im doing so well at the
moment but i am still fragile –
if claude wasnt here as support i feel that anyone being negative about my
progress will make me think
‘what the hell, might as well go and score then. i am just a useless junkie
afterall’. because im lucky enough
to have people like claude and yourself encouraging me im not going to let
that happen.
kung fu last night. an hour and half of sheer torture, my legs are in agony.
chi xo
btw…;. kirsty is hysterical, you guys must have had a ball
—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

> Hey Chi,
>
> I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
> that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
> very dangerous.
>
> You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.
>
> When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to
> start
> with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
> that’s the best advice first and foremost.
>
> Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before
> doing
> my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
> a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.
>
>                                                          love, Jasen

 

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*
Date: March 21, 2006 at 2:25:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston……………….HUH?????

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2006 12:37 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*

Jasen IS from Oz you much remember Capt.
Chi, no offense at all in this apartment in front of this computer. You’ve
got every right to voice your concerns, and I’m glad to see you doing so.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “captkirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*

As a very straight and conservative serious Kiwi yes I am
extremely off Ended Up Ended and totally Overturned by this.
How i ever will recover is a mystery to me.
Just to let yu know what a very serious epidemic Mr Jasen
has unleashed on Dunedin NZ,
every 2 in 5 Dunedinites now has this Aussie strain of Flu
Bug.  He will now be investigated as a Biochemical Warfare
Terroist.  (He had the cheek to ask me to save him a pretty
sexy Kiwi Sheep. The very nerve of it…)
cough hack choke sneeze and snot everywhere
Koiky xxxxx

—– Original Message Follows —–
thanks pete, it probably is my own paranoia and i am sorry
if ive offended  anyone.
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

I’m not sure they’re finding your request “amusing” Chi.
I don’t. I think about you on and off, along with
everyone else here, and  hope for the best for us all.
But remember, if we don’t ever laugh, we’re really gonna
sink fast. This  war upon folk like us has gone on
waaaaaay toooo long not to occasionally  laugh where and
when we can. Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to
you guys and you  >>would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice
and trying to get  >> off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —–
From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my
partners puter – he >>>>never
has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party
speed 15yrs ago.  >>>> > he’s
on
the list to try and see what it is im going through
and understand me >>>> > better. at present i havent used
since november, was on 80m of  >>>> > methadone
and
have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive
already read/talked a  >>>> > lot
about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am
waiting to get  >>>> > the
money
together to do it myself. scared but excited at the
prospect at the  >>>> > same
time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on
the list would be  >>>> > much
appreciated …. chi

advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 21, 2006 at 2:11:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/20/06 7:21:16 PM, cm67@optusnet.com.au writes:

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you
would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off
methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —–
From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

> Nice one Sara!!!
>
>
>>From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
>>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)
>>
>> > hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
>>never
>> > has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s
>>on
>> > the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
>> > better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of
>> > methadone
>> > and
>> > have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a
>> > lot
>> > about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
>> > money
>> > together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the
>> > same
>> > time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
>> > appreciated …. chi
>> >
>> >
>> > advice: don’t do it yourself!!!
>>
>>

Sara’s advice is valid.  Find a reliable provider.  Your chocie.  Expect nothing.  Be aware of everything and let us know what happens.  I would suggest htto://www.ibogaine.org/clin-perspectives.html and http://doraweiner.org/alexanderlotsof.html and http://www.ibogaine.co.uk

After that let me know what else you want to know.

Good luck.

Howard

 

From: Pipetman9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SSRI ads questioned
Date: March 21, 2006 at 11:30:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/174/6/754-a

Canadian  Medical Association Journal*
*NEWS*
*SSRI ads questioned *
*Colin  Meek*

Wester Ross, Scotland

Claims in drug monographs and  advertising that selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitor (SSRI)  antidepressants work by normalizing serotonin
levels are not based on  scientific evidence and should be prohibited,
says a leading US  psychiatrist.

“Biological psychiatrists have looked very closely for a  serotonin
imbalance or dysfunction in patients with depression or  obsessive
compulsive disorder and, to date, it has been elusive,” says Dr.  Wayne
Goodman, Chair of the US Food and Drug Administration  (FDA)
Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee. Although an SSRI may  work
well in an individual, this “doesn’t prove that there is an  underlying
imbalance, defect or dysfunction in the person’s serotonin  system,” he
added.

Goodman was reacting to a recent article (December  2005,/ PLoS
Medicine/) about the growing body of medical literature that  casts doubt
on the “serotonin hypothesis.” Co-author Jonathan Leo,  associate
professor of anatomy at Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine,  says
the FDA should prohibit SSRI manufacturers from making these  claims.

GlaxoSmith-Kline (GSK), for example, claims  (_www.paxil.com_
<http://www.paxil.com>) that paroxetine (Paxil) can  “help restore the
balance of serotonin — which helps reduce the symptoms of  anxiety and
depression.” GSK officials refused to comment.

In 2003,  Ireland’s drug regulator banned GSK from stating on its patient
information  leaflet that paroxetine “works by bringing serotonin levels
back to normal.”  Officials stated that “There is no scientific
investigation to measure what  are normal serotonin levels in the human
brain receptors. As such, claiming  that a particular medicinal product
works by bringing serotonin levels back  to normal is not accurate.”

The claims do not appear on Canadian product  information, says Health
Canada spokesperson Chris Williams. The Paxil  monograph states it is
“thought to work by increasing levels of serotonin in  the brain.”

Goodman would not comment on whether the FDA should ban these  claims.
While he accepts that claiming SSRIs correct a serotonin imbalance  goes
“too far,” he says he has no problem if patients are told that  SSRIs
normalize some kind of chemical imbalance or disturbance. “I think  that
is reasonable shorthand for expressing that this is a chemically  or
brain-based problem and that the medications are normalizing  function.”

 

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not No.2
Date: March 21, 2006 at 10:39:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s why it said “OFF TOPIC” at the beginning…

On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:
Bush didn’t have to say, “bring it on” for us that are somewhat Native
American. Still off topic…

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] that glint in the eye
Date: March 21, 2006 at 9:54:07 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Shine on, Preston!!!

On 3/16/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Interestingly enough, after that cyber discussion about eyes and comments
about them, someone at Dana’s yesterday evening says to me, completely outta
the blue, “you’re eyes are shining.”
Amazing. I can’t remember the last time(s) folks were telling me I had
shining eyes. Usually it was “your eyes are fucking billboards, don’t come
in here all fucked up like that, everyone KNOWS you’re doped to the gills,”
or “your eyes look dead,” or “why are your pupils so huge and your eyeballs
buggingoutta your face!”
Not, “you look so good, alive, shining, twinkling, you have a mischievous
glint,” etc.
;-))))
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: marko <marko@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 9:45:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vector,

it’s NOT the point in having a lotttt of IBO, or not. It’s more about being a human being. Read the whole Cosmic Reboot text in the link Patrick provided, or at the Cosmic Reboot section of

http://sacrament.kibla.si/

… perhaps someone will fill out the questionnaire, too….

Sara,

would that be for you personally, or for addicts who can not afford the treatment, and need it?

Perhaps we could join forces an offer free initiations (I mean, treatments) at your place, on SofT  official holidaze?

Marko

Sara Glatt wrote:

would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂

You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and

Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT-Patriot Act Game Pokes Fun at Government
Date: March 21, 2006 at 9:33:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patriot Act Game Pokes Fun at Government

By WAYNE PARRY
Associated Press Writer

HAMILTON, N.J.

In this send-up of “Monopoly,” players don’t pass “Go” and they don’t
go directly to jail _ they go to Guantanamo Bay.

Instead of losing cash for landing on certain squares, they lose civil
liberties. And the “Mr. Monopoly” character at the center of the board
is replaced by a scowling former Attorney General John Ashcroft.

“Patriot Act: The Home Version” pokes fun at “the historic abuse of
governmental powers” by the recently renewed anti-terrorism law,
according to its creator’s Web site.

But while it may be fun, creator Michael Kabbash, a graphic artist and
Arab civil rights advocate, is serious about how he feels the law has
curtailed Americans’ freedom.

The object of the game is not to amass the most money or real estate,
but to be the last player to retain civil liberties.

“I’ve had people complain to me that when they play, nobody wins. They
say `We’re all in Guantanamo and nobody has any civil liberties
left,'” he said. “I’m like `Yeah, that’s the point.'”

The real Patriot Act, passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks
and renewed earlier this month, gave law enforcement new investigative
and prosecutorial powers. Critics say it unacceptably impinges on
civil liberties, but the government defends the law as a vital tool
that has helped prevent another terror attack.

Kabbash decided to keep Ashcroft as the visual focus of the game, even
though he stepped down in January 2005, because “he really is the icon
that people associate with the Patriot Act.”

In a nod to President Bush’s prewar comments, the “Go” space in is
renamed “Bring It On!” Players roll the dice to determine how many
civil liberties they start out with, accumulating them from a variety
of categories: U.S. citizens get 5; non-citizens 1. Whites and Asians
get 5; Arabs 1. Ultra right-wingers get 6; Democrats 3 or 4.

Instead of landing on, say Oriental Avenue, players land on a color-
coded spaces corresponding to the national terror alert. A player who
lands on a red space loses one civil liberty, as does anyone else
within five spaces. A player who lands on an orange space gets to
designate another player to lose one civil liberty.

“Chance” cards are now “Homeland Security Cards,” with orders such as,
“FBI wants you for questioning; Lose one turn;” and “You provide the
local authorities with speculative information on your next door
neighbor; Collect one civil liberty from each player.”

Kabbash, of Green Brook, created a few full board sets but is also
distributing the game free over the Internet, with the game board and
playing cards all printable. More than 2,000 copies have been
downloaded since it debuted in 2004.

“I wanted it to be not only a parody but a teaching tool,” said
Kabbash, 38, who teaches graphics at the College of New Jersey. “This
is my way of putting my political ideas forward, hoping people will
wake up. There’s a lot of apathy, and we have to realize that we’re in
a democracy, that we’re all allowed to say something.”

Ashcroft had no comment on the game when asked about it Saturday
during a crime conference in Miami Gardens, Fla., but he laughed when
told “jail” had been replaced with Guantanamo Bay. U.S. Justice
Department public affairs did not immediately return a call Saturday
seeking comment.

Kabbash says his next project will probably have something to do with
the National Security Agency’s domestic eavesdropping program. He is
reasonably certain “there’s a file on me somewhere.”

Asked if the FBI keeps a file on Kabbash, a bureau spokesman refused to comment.

___

Associated Press Writer Jessica Gresko in Miami Gardens, Fla.,
contributed to this report.

___

On the Net:

Game: http://www.graphix4change.com/

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Weekend Auroras
Date: March 21, 2006 at 9:26:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Date: Mar 19, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Weekend Auroras
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for March 19, 2006
http://spaceweather.com

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a geomagnetic storm and auroras over northern US states such as
Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan.  It’s no coincidence that auroras
are showing up now–on the eve of Northern Spring. History shows that
weeks around the equinoxes are often good times to catch Northern
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] http://www.aforanarchy.com/
Date: March 21, 2006 at 9:26:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Friedrich von Hardenberg <the_knowledge_of_pain@earthlink.net>
Date: Mar 16, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: [Vox] http://www.aforanarchy.com/
To: vox@mindvox.com
Cc: ClubVex@yahoogroups.com, elite_sociopath@yahoogroups.com,
MildredsBoobs@yahoogroups.com

 

http://www.aforanarchy.com/

This website is intended to introduce fans of the film/graphic novel V
For Vendetta to the history and philosophy of Anarchy. V For Vendetta
was originally a comic produced in the mid 1980s by Alan Moore and
David Lloyd about a man who destroys the corrupt state he lives in,
promoting Anarchy to the masses all the while. This core message of
Anarchy has been severely twisted in the film verison. So much that
Alan Moore has asked to be withdrawn from all media references and to
have his name removed from the film’s posters.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Holland: Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’
Date: March 21, 2006 at 8:57:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Egad, indeed.

On 3/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said.<

Egad.
Peace and love
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Tim Meehan” <tmeehan@connect.carleton.ca>
To: “CMAP” <cmap@mapinc.org>; “NDPot” <ndpot@drugsense.org>;
<endproh-chat@drugsense.org>; “Drugwar” <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Holland: Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article352562.ece

Source: Independent (UK)
Contact: letters@independent.co.uk
Website: http://www.independent.co.uk/
Address: 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DL
Copyright: 2006 Independent Newspapers (UK) Ltd.
Pubdate: March 21, 2006
Author: Isabel Conway

Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’

By Isabel Conway in Amsterdam
The Independent (UK)

Dutch schoolchildren as young as 12 are being treated for addiction to a
powerful home-grown marijuana which is up to 20 times stronger than
imported varieties, an addiction clinic in the Netherlands has revealed.

But while the age of regular and dependent cannabis users has dropped
sharply in recent years, the dangers and health hazards of soft drugs have
been “completely underestimated” by parents caught “in a flower- power
time warp”, Dr Romeo Ashruf, an addiction specialist, said.

The cannabis that Dutch children take, nederwiet, is produced in Holland
and is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, he told Network
2’s Bij ons Thuis television programme last night. It was not unusual for
children as young as 12 to be addicted to cannabis and referred to drugs
clinics by their GPs, said Dr Ashruf.

“In years gone by, the age group for referrals was between 16 and 21 but
now it has gone down to between 14 and 19,” he said. “Children of 12 and
13 who are addicted to soft drugs are also brought in. It is an alarming
development.”

Dr Ashruf, director of the Parnassia Clinic in The Hague, said that Dutch
parents are largely unaware of the dangers because of the changes the drug
has undergone since the 1960s.

“A lot of parents think back to the Sixties when flower power was at its
height and they were passing around a joint from one to the other. It was
the done thing then, and they just think their kids are doing the same and
it’s all a bit of harmless fun and part of growing up.

“What they fail to realise is that there is a world of difference between
then and now. Kids don’t share; they light up their own joint, and the
drug they use is far stronger than in days gone by. Parents unfortunately
massively underestimate the effects of using Dutch-grown nederwiet on
their children and its potential to create dependency and health risks.”

Research into the strength of nederwiet has shown it to have between 14
and 20 times more THC (tetrahydro-cannabinol) – the active ingredient
which makes users high and encourages dependency – than imported
varieties. Once a cottage industry, it is today a huge criminally
organised business.

Bela Willems, 19, a former cannabis user, said he became hooked on the
drug while still in junior school. By the time he was 16 he was smoking
eight joints daily. Now he visits junior schools to warn pupils about the
dangers of cannabis. “I come across kids in the last two years of junior
school who are taking soft drugs regularly,” he said.

Dr Ashruf said he was convinced that regular soft drugs use by young
people in Holland can lead to addiction and a range of serious health
effects. ”

Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said. “The
children I am treating who are heavy users have arrested development.
Somebody of 18 is mentally developed to the age of about 15. They become
apathetic, they perform badly at school, they cannot sustain friendships,
they have problems in all their daily relationships, they can’t sleep
properly, they are introverted and disturbed. Most of the time nobody –
neither parents, nor teachers – realises that it is caused by their use of
soft drugs.”

Dutch schoolchildren as young as 12 are being treated for addiction to a
powerful home-grown marijuana which is up to 20 times stronger than
imported varieties, an addiction clinic in the Netherlands has revealed.

But while the age of regular and dependent cannabis users has dropped
sharply in recent years, the dangers and health hazards of soft drugs have
been “completely underestimated” by parents caught “in a flower- power
time warp”, Dr Romeo Ashruf, an addiction specialist, said.

The cannabis that Dutch children take, nederwiet, is produced in Holland
and is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, he told Network
2’s Bij ons Thuis television programme last night. It was not unusual for
children as young as 12 to be addicted to cannabis and referred to drugs
clinics by their GPs, said Dr Ashruf.

“In years gone by, the age group for referrals was between 16 and 21 but
now it has gone down to between 14 and 19,” he said. “Children of 12 and
13 who are addicted to soft drugs are also brought in. It is an alarming
development.”

Dr Ashruf, director of the Parnassia Clinic in The Hague, said that Dutch
parents are largely unaware of the dangers because of the changes the drug
has undergone since the 1960s.

“A lot of parents think back to the Sixties when flower power was at its
height and they were passing around a joint from one to the other. It was
the done thing then, and they just think their kids are doing the same and
it’s all a bit of harmless fun and part of growing up.

“What they fail to realise is that there is a world of difference between
then and now. Kids don’t share; they light up their own joint, and the
drug they use is far stronger than in days gone by. Parents unfortunately
massively underestimate the effects of using Dutch-grown nederwiet on
their children and its potential to create dependency and health risks.”
Research into the strength of nederwiet has shown it to have between 14
and 20 times more THC (tetrahydro-cannabinol) – the active ingredient
which makes users high and encourages dependency – than imported
varieties. Once a cottage industry, it is today a huge criminally
organised business.

Bela Willems, 19, a former cannabis user, said he became hooked on the
drug while still in junior school. By the time he was 16 he was smoking
eight joints daily. Now he visits junior schools to warn pupils about the
dangers of cannabis. “I come across kids in the last two years of junior
school who are taking soft drugs regularly,” he said.

Dr Ashruf said he was convinced that regular soft drugs use by young
people in Holland can lead to addiction and a range of serious health
effects. ”

Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said. “The
children I am treating who are heavy users have arrested development.
Somebody of 18 is mentally developed to the age of about 15. They become
apathetic, they perform badly at school, they cannot sustain friendships,
they have problems in all their daily relationships, they can’t sleep
properly, they are introverted and disturbed. Most of the time nobody –
neither parents, nor teachers – realises that it is caused by their use of
soft drugs.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 21, 2006 at 8:56:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANK GAWD FOR KIRKIE-BRAIN!!!!!!
sniffling in commiseration…
tink

On 3/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
NO, don’t worry good Captain, your brain is working just fine (and I don’t
mean “fucked up, insecure, neurotic and emotional).
Peace and love and quickly running waaay off topic.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share

 

 

 

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

Callie, I bin thunking hard I keep coming up with this.
Get in touch with your Masculine side, grab a strap on and just go with the
imagery.
I worry about the state of my brain sometimes….
[o][o]
L
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT 30 second bunny movies
Date: March 21, 2006 at 8:41:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

lolololol- thanks howard!
tink

On 3/10/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
I loved war of the worlds

http://www.angryalien.com/1005/wowbuns.asp

But, you can go to the index and choose from a batch of 30 second bunny
movies.

http://www.angryalien.com

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*
Date: March 21, 2006 at 7:37:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen IS from Oz you much remember Capt.
Chi, no offense at all in this apartment in front of this computer. You’ve got every right to voice your concerns, and I’m glad to see you doing so.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “captkirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*

As a very straight and conservative serious Kiwi yes I am
extremely off Ended Up Ended and totally Overturned by this.
How i ever will recover is a mystery to me.
Just to let yu know what a very serious epidemic Mr Jasen
has unleashed on Dunedin NZ,
every 2 in 5 Dunedinites now has this Aussie strain of Flu
Bug.  He will now be investigated as a Biochemical Warfare
Terroist.  (He had the cheek to ask me to save him a pretty
sexy Kiwi Sheep. The very nerve of it…)
cough hack choke sneeze and snot everywhere
Koiky xxxxx

—– Original Message Follows —–
thanks pete, it probably is my own paranoia and i am sorry
if ive offended  anyone.
chi xo
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

> I’m not sure they’re finding your request “amusing” Chi.
> I don’t. I think about you on and off, along with
> everyone else here, and  hope for the best for us all.
> But remember, if we don’t ever laugh, we’re really gonna
> sink fast. This  war upon folk like us has gone on
> waaaaaay toooo long not to occasionally  laugh where and
> when we can. Peace and love.
> —–
> “Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
> Do you know that?
> Your future must differ from your past.
> The future must always differ from the past.”
> Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor Underground
> Editor Under the Influence
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —– > From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
>
>
>>i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to
you guys and you  >>would be willing to give info/advice.
>> that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice
and trying to get  >> off methadone baffles me.
>> chi
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
>>
>>
>>> Nice one Sara!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
>>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
>>>>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)
>>>>
>>>> > hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my
partners puter – he >>>>never
>>>> > has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party
speed 15yrs ago.  >>>> > he’s
>>>>on
>>>> > the list to try and see what it is im going through
and understand me >>>> > better. at present i havent used
since november, was on 80m of  >>>> > methadone
>>>> > and
>>>> > have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive
already read/talked a  >>>> > lot
>>>> > about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am
waiting to get  >>>> > the
>>>> > money
>>>> > together to do it myself. scared but excited at the
prospect at the  >>>> > same
>>>> > time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on
the list would be  >>>> > much
>>>> > appreciated …. chi
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > advice: don’t do it yourself!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 21, 2006 at 1:40:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

would it be possible to have some ibo. sent here for no cost?
I’m also a seeker.

Sara

Allright superfreak 🙂

You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and

Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

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From: captkirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibo Love/bloody aussies *wink*
Date: March 20, 2006 at 11:59:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As a very straight and conservative serious Kiwi yes I am
extremely off Ended Up Ended and totally Overturned by this.
How i ever will recover is a mystery to me.
Just to let yu know what a very serious epidemic Mr Jasen
has unleashed on Dunedin NZ,
every 2 in 5 Dunedinites now has this Aussie strain of Flu
Bug.  He will now be investigated as a Biochemical Warfare
Terroist.  (He had the cheek to ask me to save him a pretty
sexy Kiwi Sheep. The very nerve of it…)
cough hack choke sneeze and snot everywhere
Koiky xxxxx

—– Original Message Follows —–
thanks pete, it probably is my own paranoia and i am sorry
if ive offended  anyone.
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

I’m not sure they’re finding your request “amusing” Chi.
I don’t. I think about you on and off, along with
everyone else here, and  hope for the best for us all.
But remember, if we don’t ever laugh, we’re really gonna
sink fast. This  war upon folk like us has gone on
waaaaaay toooo long not to occasionally  laugh where and
when we can. Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to
you guys and you  >>would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice
and trying to get  >> off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —–
From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my
partners puter – he >>>>never
has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party
speed 15yrs ago.  >>>> > he’s
on
the list to try and see what it is im going through
and understand me >>>> > better. at present i havent used
since november, was on 80m of  >>>> > methadone
and
have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive
already read/talked a  >>>> > lot
about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am
waiting to get  >>>> > the
money
together to do it myself. scared but excited at the
prospect at the  >>>> > same
time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on
the list would be  >>>> > much
appreciated …. chi

advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Strychnine
Date: March 20, 2006 at 11:05:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for clarifying this Patrick. Wonder why this person I forwarded a comment by did not know that about rat poison.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Strychnine

 

On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

Yeah, that is mentioned in the Shulgin bit, about there being NO strychnine in cactus at all whatsoever.
Whew.

For what it’s worth, you’d have to ingest quite a bit of strychnine  to have something eXtremely bad happen to you…

To give a fast example, in NYC the most common recipe for what lands  in the little glassine bags with the stamps on ’em, containing  “heroin”, is: quinine, Dalmane and heroin.  In that order.

Or, rat poison, Dalmane and heroin.  And noap, that’s NOT an urban legend.  I’ve watched this done too many times to count … and then proceeded to bang up those very bags.  El Dominican rat poison —  available at de corner bodega, in a big-ass carton for $2 bucks —  contains strychnine.  Strychnine has a nice rush.  People confuse  getting a rush, with high heroin content (pure heroin has no rush  whatsoever. Even if you mainline it.  Morphine and hydromorphone  have a cool pins and needles rush, but not junk).

So, the question becomes … if you’re bangin’ 3-5 bundles a day. Nevermind the heroin, but how much OTHER SHIT are you dumping into  your veins…?

The answer being: quite a bit more than what could possibly be  present on a sheet of acid.  J0n is right, you’d have to eat MANY  SHEETS to get any noticeable effect.

Patrick

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Holland: Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’
Date: March 20, 2006 at 11:04:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said.<

Egad.
Peace and love
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Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: “Tim Meehan” <tmeehan@connect.carleton.ca>
To: “CMAP” <cmap@mapinc.org>; “NDPot” <ndpot@drugsense.org>; <endproh-chat@drugsense.org>; “Drugwar” <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Holland: Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article352562.ece

Source: Independent (UK)
Contact: letters@independent.co.uk
Website: http://www.independent.co.uk/
Address: 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DL
Copyright: 2006 Independent Newspapers (UK) Ltd.
Pubdate: March 21, 2006
Author: Isabel Conway

Dutch children of 12 ‘addicted to cannabis’

By Isabel Conway in Amsterdam
The Independent (UK)

Dutch schoolchildren as young as 12 are being treated for addiction to a powerful home-grown marijuana which is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, an addiction clinic in the Netherlands has revealed.

But while the age of regular and dependent cannabis users has dropped sharply in recent years, the dangers and health hazards of soft drugs have been “completely underestimated” by parents caught “in a flower- power time warp”, Dr Romeo Ashruf, an addiction specialist, said.

The cannabis that Dutch children take, nederwiet, is produced in Holland and is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, he told Network 2’s Bij ons Thuis television programme last night. It was not unusual for children as young as 12 to be addicted to cannabis and referred to drugs clinics by their GPs, said Dr Ashruf.

“In years gone by, the age group for referrals was between 16 and 21 but now it has gone down to between 14 and 19,” he said. “Children of 12 and 13 who are addicted to soft drugs are also brought in. It is an alarming development.”

Dr Ashruf, director of the Parnassia Clinic in The Hague, said that Dutch parents are largely unaware of the dangers because of the changes the drug has undergone since the 1960s.

“A lot of parents think back to the Sixties when flower power was at its height and they were passing around a joint from one to the other. It was the done thing then, and they just think their kids are doing the same and it’s all a bit of harmless fun and part of growing up.

“What they fail to realise is that there is a world of difference between then and now. Kids don’t share; they light up their own joint, and the drug they use is far stronger than in days gone by. Parents unfortunately massively underestimate the effects of using Dutch-grown nederwiet on their children and its potential to create dependency and health risks.”

Research into the strength of nederwiet has shown it to have between 14 and 20 times more THC (tetrahydro-cannabinol) – the active ingredient which makes users high and encourages dependency – than imported varieties. Once a cottage industry, it is today a huge criminally organised business.

Bela Willems, 19, a former cannabis user, said he became hooked on the drug while still in junior school. By the time he was 16 he was smoking eight joints daily. Now he visits junior schools to warn pupils about the dangers of cannabis. “I come across kids in the last two years of junior school who are taking soft drugs regularly,” he said.

Dr Ashruf said he was convinced that regular soft drugs use by young people in Holland can lead to addiction and a range of serious health effects. ”

Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said. “The children I am treating who are heavy users have arrested development. Somebody of 18 is mentally developed to the age of about 15. They become apathetic, they perform badly at school, they cannot sustain friendships, they have problems in all their daily relationships, they can’t sleep properly, they are introverted and disturbed. Most of the time nobody – neither parents, nor teachers – realises that it is caused by their use of soft drugs.”

Dutch schoolchildren as young as 12 are being treated for addiction to a powerful home-grown marijuana which is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, an addiction clinic in the Netherlands has revealed.

But while the age of regular and dependent cannabis users has dropped sharply in recent years, the dangers and health hazards of soft drugs have been “completely underestimated” by parents caught “in a flower- power time warp”, Dr Romeo Ashruf, an addiction specialist, said.

The cannabis that Dutch children take, nederwiet, is produced in Holland and is up to 20 times stronger than imported varieties, he told Network 2’s Bij ons Thuis television programme last night. It was not unusual for children as young as 12 to be addicted to cannabis and referred to drugs clinics by their GPs, said Dr Ashruf.

“In years gone by, the age group for referrals was between 16 and 21 but now it has gone down to between 14 and 19,” he said. “Children of 12 and 13 who are addicted to soft drugs are also brought in. It is an alarming development.”

Dr Ashruf, director of the Parnassia Clinic in The Hague, said that Dutch parents are largely unaware of the dangers because of the changes the drug has undergone since the 1960s.

“A lot of parents think back to the Sixties when flower power was at its height and they were passing around a joint from one to the other. It was the done thing then, and they just think their kids are doing the same and it’s all a bit of harmless fun and part of growing up.

“What they fail to realise is that there is a world of difference between then and now. Kids don’t share; they light up their own joint, and the drug they use is far stronger than in days gone by. Parents unfortunately massively underestimate the effects of using Dutch-grown nederwiet on their children and its potential to create dependency and health risks.”
Research into the strength of nederwiet has shown it to have between 14 and 20 times more THC (tetrahydro-cannabinol) – the active ingredient which makes users high and encourages dependency – than imported varieties. Once a cottage industry, it is today a huge criminally organised business.

Bela Willems, 19, a former cannabis user, said he became hooked on the drug while still in junior school. By the time he was 16 he was smoking eight joints daily. Now he visits junior schools to warn pupils about the dangers of cannabis. “I come across kids in the last two years of junior school who are taking soft drugs regularly,” he said.

Dr Ashruf said he was convinced that regular soft drugs use by young people in Holland can lead to addiction and a range of serious health effects. ”

Cannabis causes addiction; there is no doubt about that,” he said. “The children I am treating who are heavy users have arrested development. Somebody of 18 is mentally developed to the age of about 15. They become apathetic, they perform badly at school, they cannot sustain friendships, they have problems in all their daily relationships, they can’t sleep properly, they are introverted and disturbed. Most of the time nobody – neither parents, nor teachers – realises that it is caused by their use of soft drugs.”

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 9:50:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks pete, it probably is my own paranoia and i am sorry if ive offended anyone.
chi xo
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

I’m not sure they’re finding your request “amusing” Chi.
I don’t. I think about you on and off, along with everyone else here, and hope for the best for us all.
But remember, if we don’t ever laugh, we’re really gonna sink fast. This war upon folk like us has gone on waaaaaay toooo long not to occasionally laugh where and when we can.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. > he’s
on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of > methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a > lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get > the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the > same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be > much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Strychnine
Date: March 20, 2006 at 9:01:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

Yeah, that is mentioned in the Shulgin bit, about there being NO strychnine in cactus at all whatsoever.
Whew.

For what it’s worth, you’d have to ingest quite a bit of strychnine to have something eXtremely bad happen to you…

To give a fast example, in NYC the most common recipe for what lands in the little glassine bags with the stamps on ’em, containing “heroin”, is: quinine, Dalmane and heroin.  In that order.

Or, rat poison, Dalmane and heroin.  And noap, that’s NOT an urban legend.  I’ve watched this done too many times to count … and then proceeded to bang up those very bags.  El Dominican rat poison — available at de corner bodega, in a big-ass carton for $2 bucks — contains strychnine.  Strychnine has a nice rush.  People confuse getting a rush, with high heroin content (pure heroin has no rush whatsoever.  Even if you mainline it.  Morphine and hydromorphone have a cool pins and needles rush, but not junk).

So, the question becomes … if you’re bangin’ 3-5 bundles a day. Nevermind the heroin, but how much OTHER SHIT are you dumping into your veins…?

The answer being: quite a bit more than what could possibly be present on a sheet of acid.  J0n is right, you’d have to eat MANY SHEETS to get any noticeable effect.

Patrick

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:49:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

apparently this is a myth too, according to all that info I sent earlier Randy. Rat poison, or “modern” rat poison doesn’t have strychinine either.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml

Strychnine is not found in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, peyote, LSD,
discount luncheon meats, Chilean grapes, or even modern-day rat poisons.<

And Jon is right, according to more of the info at some of these links- one would need a LOT more strychnine to get any effect than can fit on even a handful of blotter tabs.
But good to hear from you Randy.

—–
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Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

In a message dated 3/20/06 1:55:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

In friendliest terms, this “strychnine in LSD” thing is a complete myth, not
to burst any bubbles.
Shit acid, no problem believing- strychnine no- won’t you DIE, or at least
Be Poisoned if you eat strychnine? Think about it.

 

Preston, I remember about 1973 going over to these real hard core guys house to buy some fine Columbian they always had and when we got there these two guys said that they were eating De-con rat poison to trip on. Not enough to kill a person just a rat. Could of been bullshit these guys were nuts. Hard to tell but I believed em at the time.     Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:41:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not sure they’re finding your request “amusing” Chi.
I don’t. I think about you on and off, along with everyone else here, and hope for the best for us all.
But remember, if we don’t ever laugh, we’re really gonna sink fast. This war upon folk like us has gone on waaaaaay toooo long not to occasionally laugh where and when we can.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s
on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of > methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a > lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the > same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be > much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:39:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, that is mentioned in the Shulgin bit, about there being NO strychnine in cactus at all whatsoever.
Whew.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

And then there is the Peyote/strychnine myth I have heard about the white
fuzz that must be removed from dried buttons. The fuzz is really
fine-hairlike cactus spines that will irritate your insides if injested. No
strychnine, just cactus spines.
WT.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:31:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

NO, don’t worry good Captain, your brain is working just fine (and I don’t mean “fucked up, insecure, neurotic and emotional).
Peace and love and quickly running waaay off topic.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share

 

 

 

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

Callie, I bin thunking hard I keep coming up with this.
Get in touch with your Masculine side, grab a strap on and just go with the imagery.
I worry about the state of my brain sometimes….
[o][o]
L
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:07:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/20/06 1:55:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

In friendliest terms, this “strychnine in LSD” thing is a complete myth, not
to burst any bubbles.
Shit acid, no problem believing- strychnine no- won’t you DIE, or at least
Be Poisoned if you eat strychnine? Think about it.

Preston, I remember about 1973 going over to these real hard core guys house to buy some fine Columbian they always had and when we got there these two guys said that they were eating De-con rat poison to trip on. Not enough to kill a person just a rat. Could of been bullshit these guys were nuts. Hard to tell but I believed em at the time.     Randy

From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:07:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

there’s no physical way to get enough strychnine on a blotter sheet to have it have any physiological effect. you’d have to eat like 10 sheets for it to reach any noticeable level.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:
Strychnine!!!!!!!!! That what they kick shit acid with. The kids think its real, but it only about 75mic+.3% strychnine. Kills rats!!!
Lucky I ain’t a rat, one time loss only, stick with mushrooms, you know what you are going to get. lolol                         Oh by the way anyone remember Speck Blues, they where Stryc. Much preferred myself Dexedrine, much much smoother. Or Methamphetamine, if you got a good source. Anyway glad for this day that I ain’t into all that crap no more.
Blessings and heart felt love to all. Paul
Strength Power and Honour, Respect!!!
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:59:52 -0500

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

 

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:00:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Allright superfreak 🙂

You and Marko have a lotttt of ibo don’t you? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si> wrote:

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual
initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of
individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for
the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer
seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as
heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription
or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which
effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination,
and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions
beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to
ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will
begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s
official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and

Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:20:54 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks jasen, you’re always so positive. i feel im doing so well at the moment but i am still fragile –
if claude wasnt here as support i feel that anyone being negative about my progress will make me think
‘what the hell, might as well go and score then. i am just a useless junkie afterall’. because im lucky enough
to have people like claude and yourself encouraging me im not going to let that happen.
kung fu last night. an hour and half of sheer torture, my legs are in agony.
chi xo
btw…;. kirsty is hysterical, you guys must have had a ball
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Hey Chi,

I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
very dangerous.

You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.

When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to start
with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
that’s the best advice first and foremost.

Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before doing
my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. > he’s
on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of > methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a > lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get > the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the > same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be > much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 7:43:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Chi,

I think you misunderstand. One of the main concerns about doing Ibo’ is
that people may attempt to have a session by themselves which can be
very dangerous.

You will get to know the personalities on the list as time goes by.

When Sara says to you “don’t do it your self” that’s the best advice to start
with. So when someone says,”Nice one Sara” I am assuming they mean
that’s the best advice first and foremost.

Keep on,..your doing great.  I fished on this list for 4 months before doing
my treatment at Sara’s,..sometimes I caught nothing other times I caught
a good feed and there was times I caught some beauties.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s
on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of > methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a > lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the > same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be > much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 20, 2006 at 7:33:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com, apocalypsenow@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com, crashtestdummies@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This message has been processed by Symantec AntiVirus.

offering remote initiations at no cost. was not scanned for viruses because of the error: DECERR_CHILD_EXTRACT

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@sacrament.kibla.si>
Subject: Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot
Date: March 20, 2006 at 7:33:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com, apocalypsenow@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com, crashtestdummies@mindvox.com

 

Sacrament of Transition announces Cosmic Reboot:

Although Sacrament of Transition uses ibogaine for spiritual initiation ceremonies; we recognize that the vast majority of individuals who are seeking access to Tabernanthe iboga, do so for the plethora of beneficial effects this sacred plant can offer seekers who are physically dependent upon addictive drugs such as heroin, crack cocaine, alcohol, and a variety of other prescription or illicit molecules.

We believe that freedom, liberation from addictive substances which effectively enslave you and can take away your self-determination, and the ability to make CHOICES instead of following compulsions beyond your control; are the basic right of every human being.

If you are presently drug-dependent, and do not have access to ibogaine treatment, or cannot afford it; Sacrament of Transition will begin offering remote initiations at no cost.

One remote initiation will be given on each of the religion’s official holidays: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Fall Equinox, and Winter Solstice.

For further information, please see:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/CosmicReboot.html

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

 

 

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 7:42:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was told by someone on this list that i could chat to you guys and you would be willing to give info/advice.
that you find it amusing that i am asking for advice and trying to get off methadone baffles me.
chi
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s
on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of > methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a > lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the > same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 6:31:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO the Fuzz…….. Yesss makes sense, man, The Fuzz really do irritate my
insides when encountered.

—–Original Message—–
From: WARRENTHERIOT [mailto:warrentheriot@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 11:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

And then there is the Peyote/strychnine myth I have heard about the white
fuzz that must be removed from dried buttons. The fuzz is really
fine-hairlike cactus spines that will irritate your insides if injested. No
strychnine, just cactus spines.
WT.

 

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 6:26:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And then there is the Peyote/strychnine myth I have heard about the white
fuzz that must be removed from dried buttons. The fuzz is really
fine-hairlike cactus spines that will irritate your insides if injested. No
strychnine, just cactus spines.
WT.

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 20, 2006 at 5:43:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL thx Chi  (no my brain is definitely not with it, I just put a “T” on the end of Chi……go figure lmao)
Well woulda bin better if I hadn’t had got that bloody diseased aussie boy’s flu bug he brought with him!!!!!!!!!  JASENNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!! I bet his ears have been burning all weekend.  He was cussed out several times, or everytime I sneezed, choked, coughed or couldn’t breathe properly!!!!
Hehehehehe.
Was good to get away though.
Koiky
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 11:00 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share

i like it lmao  …. and i think your brain is fine. hope you had a good getaway
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

Callie, I bin thunking hard I keep coming up with this.
Get in touch with your Masculine side, grab a strap on and just go with the imagery.
I worry about the state of my brain sometimes……..
[o][o]
L
_____

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 20, 2006 at 5:59:53 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i like it lmao  …. and i think your brain is fine. hope you had a good getaway
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share

 

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

Callie, I bin thunking hard I keep coming up with this.
Get in touch with your Masculine side, grab a strap on and just go with the imagery.
I worry about the state of my brain sometimes……..
[o][o]
L
_____

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 20, 2006 at 5:28:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

Callie, I bin thunking hard I keep coming up with this.
Get in touch with your Masculine side, grab a strap on and just go with the imagery.
I worry about the state of my brain sometimes……..
[o][o]
L
_____

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 20, 2006 at 5:21:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Congrats to you!!

On 3/16/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:lsd/strychnine myth2
Date: March 20, 2006 at 4:15:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I once took some acid with 2 friends of mine who where complaining
about strychnine being in the acid.  They were twitching away the next
day but I was fine even though I took 3 and they only 1 each.  Though
I didn’t take any of the E tabs they were taking :).

Luke

On 3/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Oh, I guess you wouldn’t die or even perhaps feel the strychnine, in the
amounts that Would be on LSD if it were really true.
Regardless, the LSD laced with strychnine is a myth.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Strychnine!!!!!!!!! That what they kick shit acid with. The kids think its
real, but it only about 75mic+.3% strychnine. Kills rats!!!
Lucky I ain’t a rat, one time loss
only, stick with mushrooms, you know what you are going to get. lolol
Oh by the way anyone remember Speck Blues, they where Stryc. Much
preferred myself Dexedrine, much much smoother. Or Methamphetamine, if you
got a good source. Anyway glad for this day that I ain’t into all that
crap no more.
Blessings and heart felt love to all. Paul
Strength Power and Honour, Respect!!!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:59:52 -0500

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being
not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending
prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the
impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands
and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as
he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that
it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD
I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT”
<warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if
it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch
of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of
mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling
once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for
Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad
the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:lsd/strychnine myth2
Date: March 20, 2006 at 1:56:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, I guess you wouldn’t die or even perhaps feel the strychnine, in the amounts that Would be on LSD if it were really true.
Regardless, the LSD laced with strychnine is a myth.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Strychnine!!!!!!!!! That what they kick shit acid with. The kids think its real, but it only about 75mic+.3% strychnine. Kills rats!!!
Lucky I ain’t a rat, one time loss only, stick with mushrooms, you know what you are going to get. lolol Oh by the way anyone remember Speck Blues, they where Stryc. Much preferred myself Dexedrine, much much smoother. Or Methamphetamine, if you got a good source. Anyway glad for this day that I ain’t into all that crap no more.
Blessings and heart felt love to all. Paul
Strength Power and Honour, Respect!!!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:59:52 -0500

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 1:53:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In friendliest terms, this “strychnine in LSD” thing is a complete myth, not to burst any bubbles.
Shit acid, no problem believing- strychnine no- won’t you DIE, or at least Be Poisoned if you eat strychnine? Think about it.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth2.shtml

Strychnine in LSD?
by Erowid

 

 

MYTH ORIGINS
Looking into the origin of the strychnine rumor, some slim basis for it can be found. One report in the professional literature was by Sid Schnoll (Schnoll, SH & Vogel, WH (1971) New Engl J Med 284(14):791) who reported a positive thin-layer chromatography (TLC) result in a sample of LSD. TLC is a screening test only and not suited for definite identification. When Sid was contacted he said that, to the best of his recollection, the sample had only a trace of strychnine and that it was never confirmed with another method.
The other report of note comes from the popular press: Albert Hofmann’s LSD: My problem child. In the book, Albert reported that strychnine had been sold as LSD powder, two people had ingested it and one had died. When contacted, Albert could not provide details of how he analyzed the sample presented to him or any information on the clinical course of these two people, but said that this event had occured in 1970 and that no toxicologic analyses had been performed on any clinical specimens. It should be noted that in this case, LSD was not involved. LSD was not adulterated with strychnine, but rather strychnine was represented as being LSD.
The first published reports of strychnine contaminated LSD predate 1970 and have of course persisted, even being enshrined in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed.), despite the lack of any conclusive evidence.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml
Strychnine in LSD?

 

 

 

From: lamontg@u.washington.edu
Subject: RUN FOR YOUR LIVES ITS STRYCHNINE!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 8 Apr, 1993

On the issue of strychnine in LSD:

The following text was written by Alexander T. Shulgin in response to the overwhelming misconception that strychnine is commonly found in street samples of LSD:

“The observation of strychnine as being present in any street drug, as a by-product, or a contaminant, or an impurity has never been documented. It is a natural plant product, as are the ergots which are used in the synthesis of LSD. But they come from totally unrelated plants; there has never been a report of strychnine and an ergot alkaloid co-existing in a single species. So if the two materials are together in a drug sample, it could only be by the hand of man. I have personally looked a large number of illicit street offerings and have never detected the presence of strychnine. The few times that I have indeed found it present, have been in legal exhibits where it usually occurred in admixture with brucine (also from the plant Strychnos nux-vomica) in criminal cases involving attempted or successful poisoning.

The same argument applies to the myth that occasionally surfaces, that strychnine occurs in the white tufts of peyote. This is equally fraudulent — it has never been reported in that cactus or any other cactus.”
Furthermore, it should probably be spelled out that strychnine is not needed to bond LSD to blotter paper, nor is strychnine a breakdown product of LSD. these are probably the two most commonly repeated gross misconceptions.

The source of the “strychnine is commonly found in LSD” myth may be somewhat grounded in truth. For example, in “LSD: My Problem Child” Albert Hofmann cites a case in the late sixties of Strychnine being found in an “LSD” sample that was a white powder. However, what is commonly claimed is that strychnine is found in a significant percentage of LSD, specifically blotter LSD, which is *not* true. Shulgin’s note that he has analyzed many samples of LSD and never found strychnine is backed up by published analyses done by PharmChem and the LA County Street Drug Analysis program, which likewise never found any strychnine.

This is intuitively backed up by the fact that a 5mm x 5mm “standard” square of blotter LSD only weights about 2mg and if the paper itself was made completely out of pure strychnine it is still on the very low end of Strychnine’s threshold of activity.

Strychnine is not the cause of tracers, cramps, nausea, or amphetamine-like LSD-effects. Its possible that poorly synthesized LSD might have other ergot derivatives in it, which might contribute to the harsh body load that some get on taking LSD. Also, the very close chemical relatives 1-Methyl-LSD and 1-Acetyl-LSD (which break down into LSD in aqueous solution) might be present in some street samples and might contribute to the harsh body load. (Petter Stafford has claimed in his _Psychedelics Encyclopedia_ that 1-Acetyl-LSD is supposedly “smoother” than d-LSD — thus “strychnine laced acid” may acutally be pure d-LSD, while “pure lsd” may be 1-Acetyl-LSD or some substitute). And the chemicals iso-LSD and lumi-LSD which are breakdown products of LSD might contribute to the body loading on some trips, particularly via a hypothetical synergistic effect. Given this plethora of possible chemicals in street “LSD”, its not needed to look to a chemical which has hardly ever been found in analyzed samples to explain variations in the strength and “cleanliness” of street acid.

Its also possible that LSD itself simply causes adverse physical effects, particularly muscle cramping, in persons suceptible to it. The reported side effects of LSD (the nausea and apparent CNS stimulant effects) are commonly reported side effects of seritonergic drugs such as fluoxetine (Prozac) and buspirone (Buspar), and also are commonly reported (and typically more severe) with other psychedelics like Mescaline.

Or its quite likely that the “strychnine” reactions to LSD are entirely psychosomatic. Both Leary (“The Psychedelic Experience”) and Lilly (“Programming and Metaprogramming…”, “Center of the Cyclone”) have each observed this reaction in people who cannot handle the surge of emotion associated with a trip.

Further advice would be to avoid methylxanthines (caffiene, theophylline in tea, etc) prior to dosing. Some have noted a possible synergistic effect between them and LSD causing, or contributing, to a harsh body load during a trip. And prior use of dramamine may alleviate the nausea sometimes associated with LSD, and other psychedelic drugs (although it may also effect the quality of the trip — Shulgin has noted in PiHKAL that he shuns the use of anti-nauseants in order to experience the effects of the psychedelic, both good and bad, with no possible interference).

In summary, it can’t be said that we know specifically why sometimes acid feels “cleaner” than other times. However, based on the availability of plausible explanations, and the evidence of drug analysis, and general implausiblity of the whole strychnine concept, we can conclude that it isn’t due to any concentration of strychnine. Also, while it can’t completely be ruled out, the presence of strychnine in LSD is so minimal that the majority of LSD users will never once come across it.

 

 

From: Colonel Mode
Subject: There is no strychnine. None, none, none.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 6 Mar 1992

To my knowledge, the only plants that contain strychnine are the Asian tree, Strychnos nux-vomica, and perhaps a few close relatives in the genus Strychnos. This is not to say that there are definitely no plants outside of the genus Strychnos that contain strychnine, but all of the posts to this newsgroup that claim strychnine is found in “X” that I have read have been false.

Strychnine is not found in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, peyote, LSD, discount luncheon meats, Chilean grapes, or even modern-day rat poisons.

The most likely place to find strychnine is in myths posted to alt.drugs based on hearsay and other unreliable sources.

Read “The Botany and Chemistry of the Hallucinogens”, by Richard Evans Shultes and Albert Hofmann. They are respected scientists who know what they are talking about. Don’t take my word for it. Certainly don’t take the word of authors of flakey pamphlets or usenet randoms who spout myths heard from their friends.

 

 

From: George Root
Subject: Re: What are the different kinds of LSD?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994

From 1972 to 1977 i was Director of Florida’s anonymous street drug testing program (Clearwater Free Clinic/Drug Analysis Project) and later was a research associate with UpFront, Inc. in Miami (1978 & 79). During this period of time i was directly familiar with the results from our analytical labs and those operating in California, Oregon and Detroit. I recall NO instances of samples of (actual) LSD being combined with strychnine, brucine or amphetamines and derivitives of amphetamine. (Which is not to say that there were no instances of people intentionally co-dosing with other drugs such as amphetamine; seems to me there were some clinical experiments where such a combination was tested and i recall people telling me about instances when they had done the same.)

Of course, there were samples that were out-and-out misrepresentations. Generally these were easily distinguished from legitamate LSD by such signs as dosage quantity and form. Strychnine, brucine and amphetamine are typically active at dosage levels in the milligram ranges which are considerably higher than that of LSD. I also recall that there was a time when “white crosses” were analyzed to be brucine rather than amphetamine.

In the early 70’s the typical dosage range of LSD on the street was from ~100 ug to ~300 ug. From the late 70’s to the present (far as i know) the typical dosase is ~40 ug to ~100 ug (with some exceptions, the “Bay Area” blotters are typically in higher dose ranges than that of “Southern Cal.”)

It may well be, from what folks tell me, that typical dose ranges have crept up again from the typical lows of the 80’s. It has been many years since i have been directly involved with qualitative/quantitative analysis programs.

The physiological signs which people attribute to being due to “bad acid” or to stychinine, amphetamine and the like seem to show up in the literature for clinical experimentation with LSD. So, it is likely that to some extent these effects are potentially found in association with LSD itself. Although, based on field work and other experience i am inclined to think that factors such as dietary, endocrine rythems & diurnal cycles, as well as set & setting influence the extent to which undesirable effects may exhibit with various entheogens. The Yachajruna (Quijos, Ecuador) who was my informant was very particular about diet and lunar phase when using (enetama) Banisteriopsis sp. Many traditional users of entheogens (i.e., shaman’s as categorized in anthropology) insist on “purification(s)” being performed before utilization of an entheogen.

Further, there are possibly effects which might be attributed to the agent (LSD) such as by-products of synthesis and degradation products. It seems reasonable that this would increase the likelyhood of undesirable effects… yet even this is not real clear as there is so much variation between individuals and individual trips. I have observed people who had signs of discomfort yet reported no subjective discomfort and vice-versa.

All exogenous agents seem to produce varying degrees of desirable/undesirable effects.

 

Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Strychnine!!!!!!!!! That what they kick shit acid with. The kids think its real, but it only about 75mic+.3% strychnine. Kills rats!!!
Lucky I ain’t a rat, one time loss only, stick with mushrooms, you know what you are going to get. lolol Oh by the way anyone remember Speck Blues, they where Stryc. Much preferred myself Dexedrine, much much smoother. Or Methamphetamine, if you got a good source. Anyway glad for this day that I ain’t into all that crap no more.
Blessings and heart felt love to all. Paul
Strength Power and Honour, Respect!!!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:59:52 -0500

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

 

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 20, 2006 at 8:10:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Strychnine!!!!!!!!! That what they kick shit acid with. The kids think its real, but it only about 75mic+.3% strychnine. Kills rats!!!
Lucky I ain’t a rat, one time loss only, stick with mushrooms, you know what you are going to get. lolol                         Oh by the way anyone remember Speck Blues, they where Stryc. Much preferred myself Dexedrine, much much smoother. Or Methamphetamine, if you got a good source. Anyway glad for this day that I ain’t into all that crap no more.
Blessings and heart felt love to all. Paul
Strength Power and Honour, Respect!!!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:59:52 -0500

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

 

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 20, 2006 at 7:06:57 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nice one Sara!!!

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:08:58 +0100 (CET)

> hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he never
> has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s on
> the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
> better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of methadone
> and
> have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a lot
> about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
> money
> together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the same
> time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
> appreciated …. chi
>
>
> advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 18, 2006 at 11:01:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh my my!!!
What about us girls? We need an analogy too!
Maybe I can come up with one for us!
any suggestions girls??????

Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] new sig line I wanna share
Date: March 18, 2006 at 9:20:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just thought I’d share this new sig line, finding it very well put.
Got it in an email message this morning from a new friend.
Peace and love.
—–
“Because it is a lying bitch. Heroin is like pushing inside the
aforementioned beautiful goddess’ silky warm pussy and then right
as the experience peaks,  the industrial strength spiked rat trap
hidden in her cervix SNAPS onto your dick and balls. Then her eyes
glow fire-yellow as she breaths forth a demonic laugh with molten
spittle and digs her black nails into your skin, scratching off
chunks of flesh. But you can’t go anywhere because your dick is
caught in a rat trap inside her pussy…
that’s heroin….”
Brian Tibbetts

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Pot leaves painted on house not illegal
Date: March 18, 2006 at 2:31:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WINSTED, Conn. (March 16) – Having marijuana in your house is illegal, but having marijuana images on your house is not, according to town officials.

 

 

Bryan Sundie, Republican-American

 

 

Five months after Christopher Seekins was arrested and charged with cultivating marijuana in his home, neighbors have complained about the giant marijuana leaves he has spray-painted on the outside of his home on High Street.
“There’s no reason anybody should have a problem with it,” Seekins said Wednesday.
Town officials said the marijuana paintings apparently do not conflict with local laws.
“There’s nothing in the property maintenance code that deals with writing on your house,” Joe Beadle, chief code enforcement officer, said.
Seekins says the large leaves are in support of the cause of the legalization of marijuana. He believes firmly in the usefulness of hemp, the coarse fiber of the cannabis plant, from textiles to paper products.
“People have the wrong impression about it,” Seekins said.
In October, police said they found 100 plants inside Seekins’ house, along with grow lights, fertilizers and portable heaters.
Police charged Seekins, 26, with cultivating marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia. Free on $10,000 bond, his court case is pending.

03/16/06 17:36 EST

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Rachel, definition needed please 🙂
Date: March 18, 2006 at 9:11:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Irascibility – rather easily irritated and frustrated to anger.  Hot-headed.   Having a propensity to “get one’s Irish up” in the face of stupid, irrational, anti-human legal systems.

One particular result of easily losing one’s cool:  the irascible activist may be more likely than the average Joe/Joann to end up in handcuffs for over-reacting to authoritarianism or other powertrips.

Used in a sentence:  “The irascibility factor was running high during the love-and-light death match of the recent ibogaine forum.”

xo rachel

On 3/18/06, CallieMimosa@aol.com <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
Irish irascibility

Rachel, What does that mean? Sorry I am so dense. I guess I could look it up but I think you would explain it better.
Thanks in advance
Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 18, 2006 at 6:51:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You go Warren, you go!
;-)))
Hard to be positive and optimistic. It’s usually easier for me anyway to yell, scream, jump up and down and complain, etc, etc. But I work on not giving in to that “oh shit, I’m pissed and now I better whino, complaino, yello, etco.”
;-)))

—–
“Everything they tell you about pot is a lie.
They tell you pot smoking makes you unmotivated.
It’s a lie.
When you’re high you can do everything
you can normally do, just as well, you just realize
it’s not worth the fucking effort.”
Bill Hicks

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga

I would never hurt an animal on purpose. Anyway I’m going to get over this
dog thing and stop complaining already.
WarrenT

 

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From: “boaz” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 18, 2006 at 4:18:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dana,

Be more specific please: What are you planning etc.
Check this link and look who is talking about what in the water world and especially in the middle east
My writing is under w of course
http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/me_water.htm

boaz

From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:36 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved

Who in the U.S. is into the water issue? We want to do some forums on how to stave off desertification.

Dana/cnw

On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:08 PM, boaz wrote:

Mazal tov dana for you and the entirely wonderful yippie movement
Boaz Wachtel

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Rachel, definition needed please 🙂
Date: March 18, 2006 at 1:07:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Irish irascibility

Rachel, What does that mean? Sorry I am so dense. I guess I could look it up but I think you would explain it better.
Thanks in advance
Callie

 

From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 17, 2006 at 10:52:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would never hurt an animal on purpose. Anyway I’m going to get over this
dog thing and stop complaining already.
WarrenT

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 17, 2006 at 10:50:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Obsessed on the earplugs for a year or two, still could hear the dogs.
Electronica/Dance music to the rescue. When my dog died last May, I quit
with the earplugs and its not so bad now. I look forward to the future and
as it begins now, I feel better already. I have got to lighten up. Just its
going to be a convoluted path to get to the Bwiti, if its ever possible for
me.
WarrenT

 

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dream of inquisition
Date: March 17, 2006 at 9:45:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ll take  a cpl. ‘o slices at this point. Thanks for the lead and new mission. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] dream of inquisition

What is the Freedom Root?  That’s what I want to know.  Just tell me what that means.

Over and over again, the Judge wanted to know.  This is in my dream this morning.  What is the Freedom Root?

“the” root?  or “the” collective? or “the” person behind the moniker?  Not sure who or what or why the question was repeated so insistently, but in the absence of another way to reply, here goes nothing.

It’s a route to liberation from the shackles of dope addiction.
It’s the pharmacologically-active root of an equatorial rainforest bush called Eboga.
It’s an ethnobotanical sacrament.
It’s “the African cure” for “the Asian poppy problem.”
It’s the national treasure of Gabon.
It’s a route to liberation.

Hope that answers the question, whoever or whatever was asking.  And hope y’all are doing quite well on this festive day of Irish irascibility.  xoxoxo Rachel

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT: Where is the airplane?!!
Date: March 17, 2006 at 7:12:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to admit, I am right here with you Callie. I think so much weird crap happened that day that we’re not being told.
Where are all the videos of that so-called plane hitting the pentagon, and why did they release 5 still shots from the one camera, and no other shots, and the stills they did release were dated wrong.
You go girl.

—–
“Everything they tell you about (everything) pot is a lie.
They tell you pot smoking makes you unmotivated.
It’s a lie.
When you’re high you can do everything
you can normally do, just as well, you just realize
it’s not worth the fucking effort.”
Bill Hicks

Peace and love.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT: Where is the airplane?!!

Subject: Where is the airplane???
This really made me stand up and take notice!
I think we blew the jet out of the sky that was headed to Pentagon…..blew it into a million tiny pieces. Guess one of the missiles ‘accidentally’ hit the Pentagon.
Our government knows we are all a bunch of gullible dumb asses who will swallow whatever line they feed us! And we did!
Peace on Earth! (I only hope and pray)
Callie

For all of you Grassy Knoll, the Mafia did it, Castro did it folks here’s a new conspiracy to chew on. 
  
Where is the airplane??? 
How’s this for a 9/11 conspiracy theory? 
Where is the airplane……..that crashed into the Pentagon………????? 
Where are the airplane parts??? 
Go to this website and watch this film………do it quickly as it has already been pulled off several web sites already!……..afterwards you’ll see why!
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT: Where is the airplane?!!
Date: March 17, 2006 at 6:32:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Where is the airplane???
This really made me stand up and take notice!
I think we blew the jet out of the sky that was headed to Pentagon…..blew it into a million tiny pieces. Guess one of the missiles ‘accidentally’ hit the Pentagon.
Our government knows we are all a bunch of gullible dumb asses who will swallow whatever line they feed us! And we did!
Peace on Earth! (I only hope and pray)
Callie

For all of you Grassy Knoll, the Mafia did it, Castro did it folks here’s a new conspiracy to chew on. 
  
Where is the airplane??? 
How’s this for a 9/11 conspiracy theory? 
Where is the airplane……..that crashed into the Pentagon………????? 
Where are the airplane parts??? 
Go to this website and watch this film………do it quickly as it has already been pulled off several web sites already!……..afterwards you’ll see why!
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
From: porn storm <pornstorm66@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] party next wednesday at the Frying Pan in NYC
Date: March 17, 2006 at 2:36:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

see the invitation here.
http://bithewaymovie.blogspot.com/

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] dream of inquisition
Date: March 17, 2006 at 1:02:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What is the Freedom Root?  That’s what I want to know.  Just tell me what that means.

Over and over again, the Judge wanted to know.  This is in my dream this morning.  What is the Freedom Root?

“the” root?  or “the” collective? or “the” person behind the moniker?  Not sure who or what or why the question was repeated so insistently, but in the absence of another way to reply, here goes nothing.

It’s a route to liberation from the shackles of dope addiction.
It’s the pharmacologically-active root of an equatorial rainforest bush called Eboga.
It’s an ethnobotanical sacrament.
It’s “the African cure” for “the Asian poppy problem.”
It’s the national treasure of Gabon.
It’s a route to liberation.

Hope that answers the question, whoever or whatever was asking.  And hope y’all are doing quite well on this festive day of Irish irascibility.  xoxoxo Rachel

 

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 5:36:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Who in the U.S. is into the water issue? We want to do some forums on how to stave off desertification.

Dana/cnw

On Mar 16, 2006, at 5:08 PM, boaz wrote:
Mazal tov dana for you and the entirely wonderful yippie movement

Boaz Wachtel
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

 

From: “ARON KAY” <pieman@pieman.org>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 5:35:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

todah rabah boaz
—– Original Message —–
From: boaz
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved

Mazal tov dana for you and the entirely wonderful yippie movement

Boaz Wachtel
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

 

From: “boaz” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 5:08:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mazal tov dana for you and the entirely wonderful yippie movement

Boaz Wachtel
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

 

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 16, 2006 at 4:32:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh and one more thing, when those grams are laid, the actual dosage, is dependant upon the purity of the LSD.  So with needlepoint, at 95% pure and laid at 1 gram per 100 sheets, it actually works out to 95 micrograms of LSD per hit, with the other 5 mics being biproduct(which in such small amount gives no side effects)…  However, with lavender at say 70% pure, you only get 70 mics of LSD with 30 mics of some biproduct, which in turn gives those unpleasant side effects..  The dirty acid may actually feel a bit more intense on less, but in higher dosage amounts, both of the tense negative effects and the trip is intensified, which in turn cause discomfort, coupled with tripping, and can definitely increase the chance of a bad trip…
CE

Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah, those aren’t some names someone gave to some certain print on blotter paper, those are actual colors of raw crystal..  1 gram equals usually ten tenpacks(tenpack=10 sheets) which make each of the sheets 10,000 mics, or 100 100 microgram hits per sheet, with 100 sheets per gram, but obviously not everyone lays LSD at the same strength, although most reputable suppliers on Dead Tour, do have competition, so generally this is what’s done…  With needlepoint or white fluff the chance for a “bad” trip is less likely, unless extreme doses are taken, and there should be no pain..  I am of the thought that there is no such thing as a bad trip, and the most difficult(what some would consider bad) are the most therapeutric, and seem to teach the most, IME…  Dirty acid, can definitely cause discomfort, but unless an extreme dose is taken, it should last much longer than a day after the trip..  I have literally eaten thousands and thousands of hits of LSD throughout many hundred trips, and have yet to experience any lasting changes physically, however, my mind has been permanently opened to what I would call other realms of possibility…  WIth that said, I’ll stop with my LSD crusade…  LOL  Best wishes!!
CE

Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
That’s amazing. I’ve never heard of thos different types of lsd. Most
of the acid I did was fairly similar just differnts strenghts thought
there was one type called ufo’s that seemed speedier but I wasn’t sure
why. My friends said there was strycnine in it but I didn’t believe
that.

Luke

On 3/14/06, Crooked Eye wrote:
> I have literally tripped hundreds and hundreds of times off of LSD.. It
> varies in purity, when in raw form, and the various colors of the raw
> crystal can give an idea of purity.. The most pure is known as needlepoint,
> or white fluff which is 95%+ pure, and it is a very clean, visual, trip with
> no body load, mostly euphoria.. Next you have silver crystal, which is
> around 85-95% pure.. Usually it is pretty clean, but can seem a little
> speedier, which is due to some biproducts from the synthesis.. Then you
> have amber crystal, which is about 75-85% pure, and it can feel a little
> more tense, and cause some gas or backache.. This is intensified with
> larger doses… There is lavender, that is up to 80% pure, but can range to
> almost black, which is much less pure.. There is also tornado juice, of
> unkown purity… With fluff, it seems the more you eat, the stronger the
> trip, without any negative side effects, but with the less pure crystal, in
> higher doses, the negative effects are intensified.. This could account for
> bad acid, or also, nowadays, there has been blotter paper sold as acid, but
> is actually one of the phenethylamines like DOC, DOB, or DOI.. With a
> normal dose, it is very similar to an LSD trip, but when taken in higher
> doses, people can OD, which is pretty much unheard of with LSD..
>
> As for LSD leading to other drugs, I believe that is just not true… LSD
> helped me to come to the realization, that I could live life without
> methadone, and it helped prepare my mind for making the transition.. Iboga,
> I credit for the actual addicition interruption, but I think it was the
> various psychedelics that helped to maintain the mental fortitude to stick
> with it… Many people like to claim certain drugs lead to other drugs, but
> many people I know, have smoked cannabis, eaten LSD, etc, yet never went on
> to hard drugs, like I did..
>
> Also, acid didn’t turn any Grateful Dead member into an alcoholic.. I
> imagine you’re speaking of Ron “Pigpen” Mckernan, who actually was already
> pretty heavy into drugs and alcohol, and never really liked LSD… You are
> not gonna get ergotism from LSD, but some biproducts in the dirtier acid can
> cause some discomfort during the trip and into the next day… This will
> wear off just like the trip, though…
>
>
> cm wrote:
>
> i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or
> take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
> and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of
> 1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and
> then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories;
> the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking
> being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really,
> really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Luke Christoffersen”
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
>
>
> > Hello
> > Is there such a thing as bad acid? I thought that was a myth?
> >
> > I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
> > after taking acid and having a bad trip. Could it be that acid opens
> > up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
> > seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
> > have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
> > years now to supress his anger. I would have thought that the same
> > possiblities would be there with other psychedelics. Maybe acid is
> > more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
> > setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
> > society!!
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Dana,
> >> I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
> >> because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
> >> possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and
> >> even
> >> Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid,
> >> like
> >> Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
> >> cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all
> >> the
> >> damage.
> >> And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin”
> >> that
> >> made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by
> >> ruling
> >> of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
> >> Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers that
> >> the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed
> >> suicide
> >> when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of
> >> nylon
> >> fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s
> >> soul
> >> burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes
> >> of
> >> fame as the first Drug Czar.
> >> Respectfully,
> >> WarrenT
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 16, 2006 at 4:26:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, those aren’t some names someone gave to some certain print on blotter paper, those are actual colors of raw crystal..  1 gram equals usually ten tenpacks(tenpack=10 sheets) which make each of the sheets 10,000 mics, or 100 100 microgram hits per sheet, with 100 sheets per gram, but obviously not everyone lays LSD at the same strength, although most reputable suppliers on Dead Tour, do have competition, so generally this is what’s done…  With needlepoint or white fluff the chance for a “bad” trip is less likely, unless extreme doses are taken, and there should be no pain..  I am of the thought that there is no such thing as a bad trip, and the most difficult(what some would consider bad) are the most therapeutric, and seem to teach the most, IME…  Dirty acid, can definitely cause discomfort, but unless an extreme dose is taken, it should last much longer than a day after the trip..  I have literally eaten thousands and thousands of hits of LSD throughout many hundred trips, and have yet to experience any lasting changes physically, however, my mind has been permanently opened to what I would call other realms of possibility…  WIth that said, I’ll stop with my LSD crusade…  LOL  Best wishes!!
CE

Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
That’s amazing. I’ve never heard of thos different types of lsd. Most
of the acid I did was fairly similar just differnts strenghts thought
there was one type called ufo’s that seemed speedier but I wasn’t sure
why. My friends said there was strycnine in it but I didn’t believe
that.

Luke

On 3/14/06, Crooked Eye wrote:
> I have literally tripped hundreds and hundreds of times off of LSD.. It
> varies in purity, when in raw form, and the various colors of the raw
> crystal can give an idea of purity.. The most pure is known as needlepoint,
> or white fluff which is 95%+ pure, and it is a very clean, visual, trip with
> no body load, mostly euphoria.. Next you have silver crystal, which is
> around 85-95% pure.. Usually it is pretty clean, but can seem a little
> speedier, which is due to some biproducts from the synthesis.. Then you
> have amber crystal, which is about 75-85% pure, and it can feel a little
> more tense, and cause some gas or backache.. This is intensified with
> larger doses… There is lavender, that is up to 80% pure, but can range to
> almost black, which is much less pure.. There is also tornado juice, of
> unkown purity… With fluff, it seems the more you eat, the stronger the
> trip, without any negative side effects, but with the less pure crystal, in
> higher doses, the negative effects are intensified.. This could account for
> bad acid, or also, nowadays, there has been blotter paper sold as acid, but
> is actually one of the phenethylamines like DOC, DOB, or DOI.. With a
> normal dose, it is very similar to an LSD trip, but when taken in higher
> doses, people can OD, which is pretty much unheard of with LSD..
>
> As for LSD leading to other drugs, I believe that is just not true… LSD
> helped me to come to the realization, that I could live life without
> methadone, and it helped prepare my mind for making the transition.. Iboga,
> I credit for the actual addicition interruption, but I think it was the
> various psychedelics that helped to maintain the mental fortitude to stick
> with it… Many people like to claim certain drugs lead to other drugs, but
> many people I know, have smoked cannabis, eaten LSD, etc, yet never went on
> to hard drugs, like I did..
>
> Also, acid didn’t turn any Grateful Dead member into an alcoholic.. I
> imagine you’re speaking of Ron “Pigpen” Mckernan, who actually was already
> pretty heavy into drugs and alcohol, and never really liked LSD… You are
> not gonna get ergotism from LSD, but some biproducts in the dirtier acid can
> cause some discomfort during the trip and into the next day… This will
> wear off just like the trip, though…
>
>
> cm wrote:
>
> i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or
> take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
> and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of
> 1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and
> then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories;
> the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking
> being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really,
> really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Luke Christoffersen”
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
>
>
> > Hello
> > Is there such a thing as bad acid? I thought that was a myth?
> >
> > I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
> > after taking acid and having a bad trip. Could it be that acid opens
> > up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
> > seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
> > have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
> > years now to supress his anger. I would have thought that the same
> > possiblities would be there with other psychedelics. Maybe acid is
> > more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
> > setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
> > society!!
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Dana,
> >> I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
> >> because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
> >> possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and
> >> even
> >> Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid,
> >> like
> >> Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
> >> cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all
> >> the
> >> damage.
> >> And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin”
> >> that
> >> made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by
> >> ruling
> >> of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
> >> Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers that
> >> the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed
> >> suicide
> >> when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of
> >> nylon
> >> fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s
> >> soul
> >> burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes
> >> of
> >> fame as the first Drug Czar.
> >> Respectfully,
> >> WarrenT
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 16, 2006 at 4:08:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s amazing. I’ve never heard of thos different types of lsd.  Most
of the acid I did was fairly similar just differnts strenghts thought
there was one type called ufo’s that seemed speedier but I wasn’t sure
why.  My friends said there was strycnine in it but I didn’t believe
that.

Luke

On 3/14/06, Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have literally tripped hundreds and hundreds of times off of LSD..  It
varies in purity, when in raw form, and the various colors of the raw
crystal can give an idea of purity..  The most pure is known as needlepoint,
or white fluff which is 95%+ pure, and it is a very clean, visual, trip with
no body load, mostly euphoria..  Next you have silver crystal, which is
around 85-95% pure..  Usually it is pretty clean, but can seem a little
speedier, which is due to some biproducts from the synthesis..  Then you
have amber crystal, which is about 75-85% pure, and it can feel a little
more tense, and cause some gas or backache..  This is intensified with
larger doses…  There is lavender, that is up to 80% pure, but can range to
almost black, which is much less pure..  There is also tornado juice, of
unkown purity…  With fluff, it seems the more you eat, the stronger the
trip, without any negative side effects, but with the less pure crystal, in
higher doses, the negative effects are intensified..  This could account for
bad acid, or also, nowadays, there has been blotter paper sold as acid, but
is actually one of the phenethylamines like DOC, DOB, or DOI..  With a
normal dose, it is very similar to an LSD trip, but when taken in higher
doses, people can OD, which is pretty much unheard of with LSD..

As for LSD leading to other drugs, I believe that is just not true…  LSD
helped me to come to the realization, that I could live life without
methadone, and it helped prepare my mind for making the transition..  Iboga,
I credit for the actual addicition interruption, but I think it was the
various psychedelics that helped to maintain the mental fortitude to stick
with it…  Many people like to claim certain drugs lead to other drugs, but
many people I know, have smoked cannabis, eaten LSD, etc, yet never went on
to hard drugs, like I did..

Also, acid didn’t turn any Grateful Dead member into an alcoholic..  I
imagine you’re speaking of Ron “Pigpen” Mckernan, who actually was already
pretty heavy into drugs and alcohol, and never really liked LSD…  You are
not gonna get ergotism from LSD, but some biproducts in the dirtier acid can
cause some discomfort during the trip and into the next day…  This will
wear off just like the trip, though…

cm <cm67@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or
take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of
1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and
then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories;
the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking
being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really,
really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen”
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Hello
Is there such a thing as bad acid? I thought that was a myth?

I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
after taking acid and having a bad trip. Could it be that acid opens
up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
years now to supress his anger. I would have thought that the same
possiblities would be there with other psychedelics. Maybe acid is
more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
society!!

Luke

On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT wrote:

Hello Dana,
I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and
even
Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid,
like
Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all
the
damage.
And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin”
that
made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by
ruling
of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers that
the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed
suicide
when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of
nylon
fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s
soul
burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes
of
fame as the first Drug Czar.
Respectfully,
WarrenT

 

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 16, 2006 at 3:29:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve heard of the no hallucintains and cramps before.   I always
thought it was probably the state of mind the person was in at the
time that caused the different reaction but maybe not.  I took a lot
of acid at 2 points in my life and second time around it messed up my
memory.  I didn’t really have any bad trips but was going through an
emotionally stressfull time.

I think acid good or bad can mess up a persons mind when abused
recreationally.  I used to be zealously for it but now I think it can
be very dangerous for some people and could lead to a breakdown.

Luke

On 3/14/06, cm <cm67@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or
take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of
1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and
then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories;
the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking
being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really,
really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Hello
Is there such a thing as bad acid?  I thought that was a myth?

I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
after taking acid and having a bad trip.  Could it be that acid opens
up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
years now to supress his anger.  I would have thought that the same
possiblities would be there with other psychedelics.  Maybe acid is
more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
society!!

Luke

On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:

Hello Dana,
I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and
even
Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid,
like
Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all
the
damage.
And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin”
that
made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by
ruling
of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers  that
the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed
suicide
when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of
nylon
fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s
soul
burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes
of
fame as the first Drug Czar.
Respectfully,
WarrenT

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] TOTALLY AND UTTERLY OT:-Murphy’s Law
Date: March 16, 2006 at 3:09:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can guarantee when you’ve just slathered your face with hair removal cream, some Prick will come knocking on  your door.
(Insert Ren and Stimpy style hysterical laughter…….)
Roll on holiday.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] holiday yayyy
Date: March 16, 2006 at 3:05:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Have a awesome weekend all, I’m running away to the lakes district, my family have a holiday home up yonder so going up to chill n grill without the swill (methadone that is…. Liquid handcuffs, makes life pretty tuff, hahaha I hadd enuff).
Catch you all on the return, don’t talk too much lol
Love n laughter to all
Alba Koiky xxxxxx
From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 12:53:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:32 AM, HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

Yeah, but our application, which I did not fill out, apparently misspelled Ibogaine as Ibocaine. No one I know could have made that mistake, but some one did. Have to do something about that one.

http://www.nysun.com/article/29241

The Yippies Apply for a Piece of Establishment
By DEBORAH KOLBEN – Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 16, 2006

A man named “Kenny the coke freak” once lived in the basement of the three-story brick building at 9 Bleecker St., just off the Bowery. In the early 1970s, when Kenny no longer could pay the rent, the Yippies moved in.
More than three decades later, the counterculture group founded by Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin is looking to turn its Bleecker Street headquarters into a museum. The state Office of Cultural Education is recommending that the Board of Regents grant a five-year provisional charter to the Youth International Party – which spearheads an annual march calling for the legalization of marijuana – at its March meeting next week. The Regents are likely to follow the recommendation.
“It’s sort of going to be like the Hard Rock Cafe of radical culture,” a longtime member of the Yippies, Dana Beal, a co-curator of the museum, said during a tour through the building yesterday. Mr. Beal, who has a shock of white hair and a moustache like Mark Twain’s, has inhabited 9 Bleecker St. since 1973.
The items to be on display will include some of the cremated ashes of acid guru Timothy Leary and an American flag blazer donated by Hoffman’s son, Andrew, who lives in Indonesia.
“You can say the Yippies started in this building; the gay movement also started out of this building,” Mr. Beal, 59, said as a worker in a red bandanna installed a new wooden floor behind him.
“‘Sex and the City’ did an episode here, where the main character goes home with a hippie and wakes up and is like ‘Whoa, where am I?’ That was here,” he said. The television crew left behind a large wooden ladder that the Yippies have painted red. They will use it to usher visitors up to a loft that they originally hoped to turn into a hookah lounge. They have abandoned those plans in an effort to keep the place “legal.”
The first floor will feature a coffee house and display cases, the basement will be converted into comedy club dedicated to the likes of Lenny Bruce, and the second floor will house the archives.
“We’re still working out the admission issue,” Mr. Beal, said. “The Yippies were always more anarchist than anti-capitalist … everybody knows they’re against capitalism, but nobody knows what to replace it with.”
In 2004, the Yippies partnered with a group called the National AIDS Brigade to purchase their longtime headquarters for $1.2 million. They plan to finance the museum with grants and donations.
The Yippies are known for pranks such running a pig named Pigasus for president in 1968 and showering the floor of the New York Stock Exchange with dollar bills in an effort to protest against greed. Several members were indicted for conspiring to incite a riot at the 1968 Democratic Convention.
According to the application submitted to the Regents, the museum will become “a tourist attraction in New York City for intellectuals interested in the history of the new left, the smoke-in movement, the Ibocaine movement, Dylanology, the connection between rogue CIA agents and the Kennedy assassination including the housing of over 100,000 pages released under the JFK documents act.”
The museum’s six-member board of directors would include the founder of the White Panther Party, John Sinclair, and an anti-Nazi activist, Aron Morton Kay, who distinguished himself by tossing pies at those he considered political enemies, such as Abe Beame and William Buckley.
Another member, longtime Yippie A. J. Weberman, assembled the board and put together the charter application. He gained some notoriety years back for researching Bob Dylan by digging through his trash, and later coined the phrase “garbology.” He recently completed “Dylan to English Dictionary,” which was published by the Yippie Museum Press.
Over the years, he claims to have assembled 50 boxes of FBI files on Yippie members, which will be on display at the museum.
“People in the Weather Underground had the equivalent of penis envy – maybe something more like file envy – when they saw the footage of files we had on us,” Mr. Weberman said while sitting on old chairs in the jam-packed second floor.
Mr. Beal sleeps in a loft on the second floor. Underneath his bed sit stacks of boxes with yellowing newspapers, overflowing file cabinets, composition notebooks with phone numbers for people like William Kunstler, posters for the annual “Global March for Cannabis Liberation,” and two small cats.
In the building’s new incarnation, this area will officially become the archives. Mr. Beal said he would be happy to host visitors between 9 a.m. and 11 p.m.
Mr. Weberman now lives on the Upper East Side with his wife and daughter, who is a chess champion at Hunter College High School.
The remaining Yippies are crossing their fingers that the Regents will approve their charter next week. In addition to overseeing the state’s public educational institutions, the Regents are empowered to create corporations to operate educational institutions of all kinds, including colleges, universities, schools, libraries, museums, historical societies, and public television and radio corporations.
Other cultural institutions up for consideration next week include the Town of Wheatfield Historical Society and the Johnsburg Historical Society.

 

 

From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 9:09:29 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Congrats Dana.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:32:05 EST

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 9:09:10 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The amazing Mr. Beal.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:32:05 EST

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell
Date: March 16, 2006 at 6:53:16 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah, I remember watching Gift waaaaay back when.
Never looked back- been a Jane’s/Perry fan ever since.
If you hadn’t quite guessed that, but I think you have.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —–
From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell

being some what of janes fan myself, i see a slight resemblance ….. back to the days when they made the movie the gift. great movie.
chi xo

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] that glint in the eye
Date: March 16, 2006 at 6:24:33 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Interestingly enough, after that cyber discussion about eyes and comments about them, someone at Dana’s yesterday evening says to me, completely outta the blue, “you’re eyes are shining.”
Amazing. I can’t remember the last time(s) folks were telling me I had shining eyes. Usually it was “your eyes are fucking billboards, don’t come in here all fucked up like that, everyone KNOWS you’re doped to the gills,” or “your eyes look dead,” or “why are your pupils so huge and your eyeballs buggingoutta your face!”
Not, “you look so good, alive, shining, twinkling, you have a mischievous glint,” etc.
;-))))
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] yippie museum approved
Date: March 16, 2006 at 1:32:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2006Meetings/March2006/0306bra1.htm

Too amazing to believe but, true.

Applause for Dana.

Howard

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:46:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, ok so you are 36 but didn’t’ get a habit until you were 95………………what’s your secret for reversing age back to 36???
I’m just being a smart ass……
And you are getting back up.
Good On You.
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 6:04 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

how long, forgot that bit, im 36, had my first shot at 20 but didnt really get a habit till 95,. went on methadone for the 2nd time 3yrs ago but was still using everyday up until october … whoops – falling downs not a mistake but not getting back up again is 🙂
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

Hi Chi,
Can I ask how long for you and what dose you are on?
I was down to 30 mg’s.
Feeling better everyday.
Going to the lake district for the weekend tomorrow, Cannot Wait!!!! Will be very medicinal to get out of here!!!
Kirk xx

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:44:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Great!! Get down as low as ya can, but don’t suffer it.
Hahahahahaha run naked thru the trees LMAO.  Might try a slow walk….. running might kill me atm hehehehe
I’ll just hug em instead I think.  Hoping for HOT weather.
Cool I wanna be kept updated everyday when you are doing it PLEASE and TY (note jasen, TY does not mean THAI food…… hahahahahahah dumb bloody aussie lmao… no offence chi… heheheh)
Will be a nice change for Jasen, he walked into an absolute Train Wreck of a life and house here, poor bugger!!!!  Forever indebted.
All the best xx
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 6:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

i was on 80 mg’s in the last 5wks ive gone down to 60, i havent used since late october. had an appt at the methadone clinic today so they could see i was ok to keep reducing, im now going to reduce 5 a fortnight till i get to about 40 then see how i go.  im waiting for a lump sum of money im owed so i can afford to take a couple of months off work, when that comes through jasen and i are going to go ahead with the treatment.
hope you have a fantastic getaway, run naked through trees and all that kinda crap
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

Hi Chi,
Can I ask how long for you and what dose you are on?
I was down to 30 mg’s.
Feeling better everyday.
Going to the lake district for the weekend tomorrow, Cannot Wait!!!! Will be very medicinal to get out of here!!!
Kirk xx

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi
Date: March 16, 2006 at 12:03:59 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

how long, forgot that bit, im 36, had my first shot at 20 but didnt really get a habit till 95,. went on methadone for the 2nd time 3yrs ago but was still using everyday up until october … whoops – falling downs not a mistake but not getting back up again is 🙂
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

Hi Chi,
Can I ask how long for you and what dose you are on?
I was down to 30 mg’s.
Feeling better everyday.
Going to the lake district for the weekend tomorrow, Cannot Wait!!!! Will be very medicinal to get out of here!!!
Kirk xx

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi
Date: March 16, 2006 at 12:01:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was on 80 mg’s in the last 5wks ive gone down to 60, i havent used since late october. had an appt at the methadone clinic today so they could see i was ok to keep reducing, im now going to reduce 5 a fortnight till i get to about 40 then see how i go.  im waiting for a lump sum of money im owed so i can afford to take a couple of months off work, when that comes through jasen and i are going to go ahead with the treatment.
hope you have a fantastic getaway, run naked through trees and all that kinda crap
chi xo
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi

Hi Chi,
Can I ask how long for you and what dose you are on?
I was down to 30 mg’s.
Feeling better everyday.
Going to the lake district for the weekend tomorrow, Cannot Wait!!!! Will be very medicinal to get out of here!!!
Kirk xx

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:Chi
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:34:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Chi,
Can I ask how long for you and what dose you are on?
I was down to 30 mg’s.
Feeling better everyday.
Going to the lake district for the weekend tomorrow, Cannot Wait!!!! Will be very medicinal to get out of here!!!
Kirk xx

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:49:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if im not being too nosy can i ask how long ago you had your treatment and what you were coming off????
chi
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell

Coming from the team Captain, President AND CEO, I’m honored.
;-)))
Seriously, thanks for the kind words. I am feeling so much better these days (knock on wood loudly). Now, if I could just figure out how to iron out the last few little irritating things, I’ll be totally and completely enlightened.
;-))

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell

thats a badass pic preston 😛

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry
Farrell
From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, March 15, 2006 5:43 pm
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

being some what of janes fan myself, i see a slight resemblance ….. back to the days when they made the movie the gift. great movie.
chi xo

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:05:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Coming from the team Captain, President AND CEO, I’m honored.
;-)))
Seriously, thanks for the kind words. I am feeling so much better these days (knock on wood loudly). Now, if I could just figure out how to iron out the last few little irritating things, I’ll be totally and completely enlightened.
;-))

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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—– Original Message —–
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell

thats a badass pic preston 😛

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry
Farrell
From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, March 15, 2006 5:43 pm
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

being some what of janes fan myself, i see a slight resemblance ….. back to the days when they made the movie the gift. great movie.
chi xo

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
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Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 8:44:31 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank YOU Sara, it’s in large part thanks to YOU.
;-))
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

>Preston,
you are looking sooooo much better then when you got here,
best wishes,
Sara

 

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t
look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude
uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close
(and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as
I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):

At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:03:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,
you are looking sooooo much better then when you got here,
best wishes,
Sara

 

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t
look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude
uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close
(and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as
I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):

At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 6:35:09 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL,
Luckily, the dog right downstairs only barks rarely, and she’s sweet so I can’t get upset at her, and the other dog in the building lives in the second floor and only barks when I’m going up or down the stairs past her door (or anyone else passes for that matter) and I can’t hear her up here.
;-))
Good luck.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga

A couple of barks at the beginning of a song is not the problem. It is the
constant interruption of my day and sometimes night that makes me want to
scream. In fact, I screamed so loud and long at the neighbors last May that
I lost my voice for a week.
The neighbors on the other side of me moved away shortly after that incident
and though I wasn’t yelling at them at the time, they deserved and were a
large part of the target of my emotions. I am an Artist and technician and I
demand a quiet environment. I didn’t sign up for a 30 year mortgage only to
have to eat shti through my ears everyday. Maybe I can sell this place, use
some of the money for treatment and then find a remote place in the desert
with only my own dog to listen to. I never let my dog carry on like all
these other people I have had to live next to. What do you do in a Manhattan
hi-rise when dogs bark through the walls. Wasn’t there a Sinfeld episode
about that?
WT

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone clinic 2day
Date: March 15, 2006 at 6:01:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi kirsty, how goes it???? ive got an appt at the methadone clinic today. my case manager said its
to make sure i need another script for valium but i know she just wants to see me face to face, check up
on me and make sure i havent been using since my reductions started before she’ll do another one.
im thinking of wearing some freaky contact lenses in to f*ck with her a bit hehehe.
hope you’re feeling well today, hugs from chi xo

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:37:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,
Too bad New York is so far away from L.A.. I haven’t known anyone here in
over 30 years with acid and wouldn’t know where to go now anyway. My days of
Acid are long gone, but the feet problem remains. What about the song,
Tambourine Man, “my feet to numb to step” ? That is a classic Acid feeling.
By best trip was out in the Mojave desert in 1973 camping out amongst the
Joshua trees. I felt literally 12 feet high and my feet felt a little numb
because they seemed so far away. There was nothing bad about that trip. In
fact I only took acid about 5 or 6  times in the 70’s and 80’s. The last
time in 1987 was old windowpane and the sensations were a night of painful
insomnia, no colors until the sun came up and then it was no fun I hurt so
much. Small dose, 1/16″  x 1/8″ in size. Nowadays, I can relive the best
feelings of acid for a couple of minutes with Salvia with no unpleasant
aftereffects. Thats all I need, except that if I lived in a country where
Ayahuasca or Mushrooms were legal, I would use them probably regularly.
Anyway one drug should not be construed as being a gateway for another. The
Civil War led to Morphine abuse and the invention of Heroin. So I say War is
the gateway behavior to drug abuse.
WT

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:56:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah, there was a seinfeld episode bout barking dogs. i remember elaine wanted kramer to poison it for her
but i dont think they did
—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga

A couple of barks at the beginning of a song is not the problem. It is the
constant interruption of my day and sometimes night that makes me want to
scream. In fact, I screamed so loud and long at the neighbors last May that
I lost my voice for a week.
The neighbors on the other side of me moved away shortly after that incident
and though I wasn’t yelling at them at the time, they deserved and were a
large part of the target of my emotions. I am an Artist and technician and I
demand a quiet environment. I didn’t sign up for a 30 year mortgage only to
have to eat shti through my ears everyday. Maybe I can sell this place, use
some of the money for treatment and then find a remote place in the desert
with only my own dog to listen to. I never let my dog carry on like all
these other people I have had to live next to. What do you do in a Manhattan
hi-rise when dogs bark through the walls. Wasn’t there a Sinfeld episode
about that?
WT

 

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From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:30:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thats a badass pic preston 😛

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry
Farrell
From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Date: Wed, March 15, 2006 5:43 pm
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

being some what of janes fan myself, i see a slight resemblance ….. back to the days when they made the movie the gift. great movie.
chi xo

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:24:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um… earplugs??  Walkman?

—–Original Message—–
From: WARRENTHERIOT [mailto:warrentheriot@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:20 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga

A couple of barks at the beginning of a song is not the problem. It is the
constant interruption of my day and sometimes night that makes me want to
scream. In fact, I screamed so loud and long at the neighbors last May that
I lost my voice for a week.
The neighbors on the other side of me moved away shortly after that incident
and though I wasn’t yelling at them at the time, they deserved and were a
large part of the target of my emotions. I am an Artist and technician and I
demand a quiet environment. I didn’t sign up for a 30 year mortgage only to
have to eat shti through my ears everyday. Maybe I can sell this place, use
some of the money for treatment and then find a remote place in the desert
with only my own dog to listen to. I never let my dog carry on like all
these other people I have had to live next to. What do you do in a Manhattan
hi-rise when dogs bark through the walls. Wasn’t there a Sinfeld episode
about that?
WT

 

 

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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo Re: Preston Peet or Perry Farrell
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:43:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

being some what of janes fan myself, i see a slight resemblance ….. back to the days when they made the movie the gift. great movie.
chi xo

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

 

From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:19:59 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A couple of barks at the beginning of a song is not the problem. It is the
constant interruption of my day and sometimes night that makes me want to
scream. In fact, I screamed so loud and long at the neighbors last May that
I lost my voice for a week.
The neighbors on the other side of me moved away shortly after that incident
and though I wasn’t yelling at them at the time, they deserved and were a
large part of the target of my emotions. I am an Artist and technician and I
demand a quiet environment. I didn’t sign up for a 30 year mortgage only to
have to eat shti through my ears everyday. Maybe I can sell this place, use
some of the money for treatment and then find a remote place in the desert
with only my own dog to listen to. I never let my dog carry on like all
these other people I have had to live next to. What do you do in a Manhattan
hi-rise when dogs bark through the walls. Wasn’t there a Sinfeld episode
about that?
WT

 

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 15, 2006 at 5:12:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Actually, lysergic acid has been used for spiritual enlightenment by native americans in the form of morning glory and hawaiian baby woodrose seeds..  LSD has never made my hands or feet numb, even on huge doses (hundreds of hits at once)..  Until the drugwar is ended, you will always have the danger of someone passing off bad drugs, but if we could get past that, I believe real LSD to be one of the safest drugs known to man..  The biproducts in LSD synthesis can be washed out, and is mostly, usually iso-LSD, which is inactive, but can be seperated with chromatography..  As with any drug, it’s best to find a source you can trust…

<warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:
“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 15, 2006 at 4:59:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

seems to me everything you are describing is due to either the LSD being not real, or something that could, and would, be solved by ending prohibition and legalizing all drugs- that way we would know the impurities (what impurities are there in real LSD btw, and if your hands and feet were getting numb, I hope you stopped buying from that dealer as he/she was ripping you off), there were or weren’t, that it was safe, that it was actually “real” in the first place.
Nothing you’ve described here even comes close to describing any LSD I’ve ever, and I mean ever, eating.
Peace, love and truth.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 15, 2006 at 4:49:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was right; so I’m not the only person in the world to have that sort of
experience. # 2 is the bad symptom to worry about. Maybe it was my body at
the time, but also I never drank before taking acid, only after, so it
couldn’t have been an alcohol problem.
WT

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 15, 2006 at 4:42:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee,
Count me in. I went to the web site, but the “Post Box” returns a URL not found message. I used to think that Ibogaine treatment should have started out by hospital or in-clinic treatment centers, but it that had it  been the case 30 years ago, the process would have evolved into safe out-patient clinics by now. But The Iboga Movement seems timely if not way overdue now. Better than participating in any way in the USA’s Orewellian wars on everything. Please send me an email address so I can communicate directly. Thanks beaucoups!
WarrenT

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 15, 2006 at 4:27:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

Good ness me Lad, can’t have everyone escaping the Matrix now can we????
Who would they control then?
Lol
Wishing you speedy escape from your situation.
Have you ever heard of the Bio Mag wool rest?  Magnets in the wool rest,
have talked to one major back pain sufferer who benefited from it.
Kirsty xx

 

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 15, 2006 at 4:24:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Lysergic acid” as a seratonin agonist can be extremely dangerous to the
circulatory system. Why does LSD make your hands and feet numb, even if it
isn’t a dangerous condition like ergotism? What about the side products
during manufacturing process that don’t get properly filtered out? How do
you know they will be before you take something advertised as LSD? What
about very old acid that didn’t cause any good feelings, but just a bunch of
aches and pains that seemed to last for years? I am a lot more concerned
about physical reactions to the Lysergic acid component than I am of mental
effects of the Diethylamide Tartrate derivative, except for the feeling once
that I would never be able to look at a circuit board or an electronic
schematic again without freaking out. I had the feeling once that I was
being sucked up into the sky and would die like that. Thank God for Tequila.
But never acid again for me thanks. What the American Indians use from
cactus has been proven effective and safe for hundreds of years for
spiritual enlightenment, but I haven’t seen that for 32 years. Too bad the
swine in the government feel so threatened by enlightenment.
WT

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 2:19:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Normally, and for most of my life, barking dogs were not an issue. Until at the last place I lived there was a dog barking constantly, even at the moment I found my best friend dead of a Heroin overdose. Then when I  at last had the right amount of money for a downpayment on a home, and my Grandparents’ old place in Tujunga came up for sale, and I bought it and moved it, immediately, I was plagued by a nasty vicious Australian Sheepdog, a gray spotted miserable specimen of a dog that I wanted so much to rip its throat out every time it burst outside its open screen door to the neighbors’ house, angry and challenging the world. This happened every day for three years morning noon and night. I worked for 2 1/2 years after I moved in, so days weren’t a problem, but after  coming home from a frustrating hi-tech day of concentrating on  how to make High Definition TV signal converters work in the manufacturing process, I completely ran out of psychic patience. When I heard the news of my other best friend and then my brothers deaths, I was already surrounded in an atmosphere of inconsiderate  neighbors. Then another neighbor “rescued” an abused dog, and I had to put up with that for another 4 years. I went from calm to internally miserable. And I screamed and yelled at the neighbors, called forth lawyers to write threatening letters of impending lawsuits, even had to go to court to fight false and unproveable charges of battery against myself. [for in my words, careless use of a garden hose] At least I didn’t shoot any body in the face because I squirted before I actually was certain I had my target in my eyesight, like some [sic] dickwad that thinks he has the right to fuck over the world for his personal gain.  Others I have spoken with agree with my view of the situation. The dogs in question have been abused, neglected and generally not well treated before I moved into my house. The dogs next door now, though they are friendly and can be petted, bark as loud as a freight train when they need to be fed morning and evening. The people can’t even anticipate this and feed the dogs before they are miserable. Also they live in a muddy, wet-when-it-rains-yard [it just snowed here for the first time in 15 years] and get no love nor attention except when fed. The small dog house for two dogs, one a Husky mix, another a shepherd/boxer mix lies over the cesspool at the rear of the yard. The rest of the day they are clamoring for attention. The racket makes it hard for me to maintain a calm state of mind, when I am always worrying about what am I going to do for work next, how am I going to pay all my bills, fighting real serious pain in my back, shoulders and suffering from numb fingers and weak hands from elbow nerve damage. Plus the lack of sleep from chronic insomnia. Recently I solved the insomnia problem by finally getting my body clock timed for day and night, using Melatonin for sleep. The last time I had an emotional outburst because the dogs were fighting at 10:30PM, [the owners son sometimes brings his own pitbull to his parents’ house and then I have to put up with that chaotic situation.] , it was the night my Father had a stroke that caused his death within 6 weeks of the incident. I not blowing up now because I don’t want to transmit any negative vibes to my Mother who is 82. But now the neighbors have gotten a new dog, a poodle that howls and whose shrill barking is even more disturbing than the deep loud barking of the larger dog in the yard. The poodle now resides on the same back porch where that miserable Australian dog lived 4 years ago. 25 feet from my bedroom window. I am going to have to get a lawyer to write some more letters. The city of Los Angeles makes anybody who doesn’t like what someone else is doing with the way they let their dogs bark, jump through a series of disappointing hoops to get anything changed. My only choice sometimes ideates in thoughts  to move [where, money?]  or commit suicide it seems sometimes. Suicide is a poor option because I am more afraid of an eternity of silence than a living world of hurt. So I just keep sucking it up. I will make my neighbors want to move if it gets worse, without doing anything illegal. I just don’t like having to turn into an asshole to fight assholes. I am praying that I can find a way to move out of here before I lose everything of value. Anyway, why is Adderal, a racemic mixture of Amphetamines, the biggest scourge of the DEA, is legal for ADD and remains Highly abusable, when Ibogaine is still illegal for the prevention and treatment of addicting drugs, and NOT highly abuseable? I am going to ask these sort of questions every time I post until something changes. Obviously Dana and Howard have been at it for years trying to change the system. I’m new to this forum of discussion, but I will Not sit back and take no for an answer.
WarrenT

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 2:28:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Unless there is a badge you can earn entitled “punk/alternative dress”
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 8:16 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

Excellent photo!!!!  Not too boy scout looking…….hahahhahaah
Cheers PP J
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 5:40 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
”Unless your past perishes, you are doomed. 
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 2:21:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Unless there is a badge you can earn entitled “punk/alternative dress”
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 8:16 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

Excellent photo!!!!  Not too boy scout looking…….hahahhahaah
Cheers PP J
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 5:40 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
”Unless your past perishes, you are doomed. 
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 2:16:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Excellent photo!!!!  Not too boy scout looking…….hahahhahaah
Cheers PP J
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 5:40 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
”Unless your past perishes, you are doomed. 
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new photo
Date: March 15, 2006 at 11:39:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

One reason I’m rarely if ever asked “are you a cop” is because I don’t look like many cops, as near as I can tell. Either that or I exude uncopness, or it’s that my eyes usually look reeeaaaally stoned up close (and I am incredibly herbalized here, even realatively unstoned looking as I am in this photo. Soooo, is this Really off topic?):
At the BYTE party, the Delancy bar, LES, Sunday March 12, 2006
photo by Adrian Buckmaster, www.adrianbuckmaster.com
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 15, 2006 at 10:35:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

weeeellllll, “scant” is certainly the word I’d use when considering how many “taxpayers” and even “Non-taxpayers” there are in the US alone.
That’s why I use the word “scant” especially when considering the size of the budget to wage war on these “scant” numbers of addicts.
;-((
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics

Well you know… one million people isn’t exactly a scant number. but it’s definately not the epidemic the drug warriors make it out to be.

the total number of hard drug addicts (heroin, coke, meth, etc) is prolly around 10-15 million or so. add another 5 or 10 million if you wanna include prescription drugs.

Preston Peet wrote:
I was gonna pipe up and say that 2.5 million seems HIGH to me.
The US government props up its war on some drugs by citing the massive numbers of pot smokers- otherwise how in the hell could they rationally justify (lol, as if they ever thought rationally to begin with come to think rationally of it) their huge budgets to wage war on “real” drugs like heroin and cocaine with the scant numbers of actual addicts in this country?
Sigh.
Thanks Jon.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics

Magnolia Martin wrote:

Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

NIDA estimates it at around 800,000 – 1,000,000.

 

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From: Magnolia Martin <mmartin382@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 15, 2006 at 9:56:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the feedback, I’m still going to look into stats of all opiate addicts, including those on vics and oxys. For my purpose I need it to be as high as possible. (NOT a drug war purpose, no worries about that)
M

On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

I was gonna pipe up and say that 2.5 million seems HIGH to me.
The US government props up its war on some drugs by citing the massive numbers of pot smokers- otherwise how in the hell could they rationally justify (lol, as if they ever thought rationally to begin with come to think rationally of it) their huge budgets to wage war on “real” drugs like heroin and cocaine with the scant numbers of actual addicts in this country?
Sigh.
Thanks Jon.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics

Magnolia Martin wrote:
Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of  heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just  seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly  appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

NIDA estimates it at around 800,000 – 1,000,000.

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 15, 2006 at 9:25:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Prescribed painkillers in the opiate-family?

From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 15, 2006 at 8:35:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well you know… one million people isn’t exactly a scant number. but it’s definately not the epidemic the drug warriors make it out to be.

the total number of hard drug addicts (heroin, coke, meth, etc) is prolly around 10-15 million or so. add another 5 or 10 million if you wanna include prescription drugs.

Preston Peet wrote:
I was gonna pipe up and say that 2.5 million seems HIGH to me.
The US government props up its war on some drugs by citing the massive numbers of pot smokers- otherwise how in the hell could they rationally justify (lol, as if they ever thought rationally to begin with come to think rationally of it) their huge budgets to wage war on “real” drugs like heroin and cocaine with the scant numbers of actual addicts in this country?
Sigh.
Thanks Jon.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Magnolia Martin wrote:

Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of  heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just  seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly  appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

NIDA estimates it at around 800,000 – 1,000,000.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirk Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:21:24 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

tell me though kirsty do you have that same soulful look in your eyes and cat that swallowed the canary grin after treatment that jase does???<

I’ve heard from more than one person since my return from Sara’s that I have a “mischiveous glint” in my eyes, and that I seem to have been doing a “lot of meditating.”
LOL.And THIS time, compared to every other time previously, I STILL feel good, even having gone through a bunch of complicated fighting, arguing, and basic living since my return to the World.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: cm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

 

ive met up with jasen and been out drinking with him. i know he’s a fantastic person and i wouldnt trust anyone else to put me through this but him. tell me though kirsty do you have that same soulful look in your eyes and cat that swallowed the canary grin after treatment that jase does???
as for being waited on hand and foot – ive already got the house set up with 4 intercoms through the place so he cant hide, i can scream at him from anywhere!!!
thanks for your helpful words.
love chi

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:16:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Or don’t, as you see fit Lee.
;-))
I kinda like that you’ve used ibogaine so many times, and continue to see it as a learning tool, even after using it so many times already.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
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—– Original Message —– From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement

For real, was fun to meet you Lee and everyone at the show but if I
was to peg the most egotistical and ill peeps in the room, that would
be you and Daniel Pinchbeck. Love all of you, but I’d hold off on
maybe planning to heal the world and get to yourself first. Well
balanced and healthy do not come to mind when thinking of either one
of you. Speaking to you and not including Pinchbeck, well doing up
iboga 900 times maybe says you need to solve some of your probs
without it and maybe use it as a escape not a healing tool. Smoke a
bowl and lighten up!

broc

On 3/14/06, Mark Corcoran <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Hey Lee! It was great to meet you. We really are one big disfunctional
family when all is said and done, arent we.  And I don’t think I’d want it
any other way.

Okay thats all for me right now. Gonna go sprinkle some Eboga on my
cornflakes. ;o)

Love -Mark

 

________________________________

From:  Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List
<ibogaine@mindvox.com>, sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
Subject:  [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:30:53 +0000 (GMT)

 

Dear list,

Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email
addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my
forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a
revelation for me.

Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that
healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the
science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time
perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in
europe.

Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and
present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing
healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the
power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in
a safe environment.

This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical
dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth,
officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of
my work and is a growing and much needed area.

So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under
the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:

1. Spirituality.
2. Education.
3. Service.

When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope
to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active
interest in Eboga such as:

Emotional Release
Buddhism
Counselling
Medicine
Harm Reduction
Family Counselling

Divination
Sign Language
Support Networks
Art & Music Therapy
Shamanism & Mysticism
Anthropology
Sexuality

These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine
list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which
may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3
years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your
name.

For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:

www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc

Warm regards,

Lee Albert

PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for
the invite/hospitality and flight over.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:14:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was gonna pipe up and say that 2.5 million seems HIGH to me.
The US government props up its war on some drugs by citing the massive numbers of pot smokers- otherwise how in the hell could they rationally justify (lol, as if they ever thought rationally to begin with come to think rationally of it) their huge budgets to wage war on “real” drugs like heroin and cocaine with the scant numbers of actual addicts in this country?
Sigh.
Thanks Jon.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jon@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics

Magnolia Martin wrote:
Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of  heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just  seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly  appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

NIDA estimates it at around 800,000 – 1,000,000.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:12:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee,
Now that I have a passport in hand, you can count on my desire to attend any conference overseas I’m either invited to or better have my way paid to.
;-))
Seriously, I’m very into this idea.
Also, I’m not sure why discussions of “ongoing healing” inappropriate, even if some here are still seeking their first treatment. If anything I personally think discussions of ongoing healing are and will continue being inspiration or at least informational for those still seeking help.
Just my own thoughts.
Peace and love and the pleasure was all mine in meeting you finally face to face.
Now, when do I get my long-distance hands healing?
:-)))
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: Lee Albert
To: Eboga Network ; Ibogaine List ; sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement

Dear list,

Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a revelation for me.

Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in europe.

Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in a safe environment.

This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth, officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of my work and is a growing and much needed area.

So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:

1. Spirituality.
2. Education.
3. Service.

When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active interest in Eboga such as:

Emotional Release
Buddhism
Counselling
Medicine
Harm Reduction
Family Counselling
Divination
Sign Language
Support Networks
Art & Music Therapy
Shamanism & Mysticism
Anthropology
Sexuality

These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3 years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your name.

For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:

www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc

Warm regards,

Lee Albert

PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for the invite/hospitality and flight over.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Rockefeller Laws are a Queer Issue – Event
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:01:43 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 15, 2006 at 6:46:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Was there a Jane’s Addiction song that starts out with that theme?<

Um Been Caught Stealin’?
Or Porno for Pyros’ Dogs Rule the Night perhaps is the song you’re thinking of? Naw, gotta be BCS.
;-)))
Peace and love and lotsa new music I scored this week, praise be the powers etc.

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“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
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—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga

Aw hell, Warren. Barking dogs.  High on the list of life’s little annoyances.  Was there a Jane’s Addiction song that starts out with that theme?

Have you ever checked out your Mayan calendared supehero glactic star signature?  Maybe you are a White Dog and your neighbors’ animals are trying to reactivate your wolfycoyoteinnerwisdom?  www.tortuga.com  (see “decode a birthdate” to find your kin)

Full moon coming, with an eclipse, so it could be the Universe is bringing this all into sharp focus at this particular moment for a reason.

No need to apologize for sharing your sorrows.  YITRP/KKB.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk Re: and your fantastic progress
Date: March 14, 2006 at 7:18:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehehehehehheh YES!  Side effect of Ibogaine.   We cats have found the endless source of CREAM   lmao.
Excellent description.  Even the counsellors @ drug clinic saw the change.
Intercoms!! Excellent!!!  I had a bell, which BTW I never used.  Much to Jasen’s annoyance.  I think he wanted to make up for being such a pathetic male at Sara’s hahahahaahahahahahaa bloody males, they get sick and they think they’re dying!!!!!!! Heehee.
Maybe he can repent for Sara’s with you……I think it’s something he really really needs to get off his conscious!!!!!!!! I didn’t help much in that area, I’m used to being Independent.
All the best J
Kirk xx
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2006 1:08 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

ive met up with jasen and been out drinking with him. i know he’s a fantastic person and i wouldnt trust anyone else to put me through this but him. tell me though kirsty do you have that same soulful look in your eyes and cat that swallowed the canary grin after treatment that jase does???
as for being waited on hand and foot – ive already got the house set up with 4 intercoms through the place so he cant hide, i can scream at him from anywhere!!!
thanks for your helpful words.
love chi

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress
Date: March 14, 2006 at 7:07:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ive met up with jasen and been out drinking with him. i know he’s a fantastic person and i wouldnt trust anyone else to put me through this but him. tell me though kirsty do you have that same soulful look in your eyes and cat that swallowed the canary grin after treatment that jase does???
as for being waited on hand and foot – ive already got the house set up with 4 intercoms through the place so he cant hide, i can scream at him from anywhere!!!
thanks for your helpful words.
love chi

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress
Date: March 14, 2006 at 5:55:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh one other thing……….get ready to like conversations with god lmao!!!!
It’s good for the mind n soul ;o)
Or you may hate it…. Lol just be open to it (non religiously affiliated lol)
Love
Kirsty xx
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

Anything else to be aware of…………….yeh lack of sleep, but it seems different after Ibogaine you have a lot to think about and process, and for me I have a nice sense of peace with the world now that I haven’t had before.
Be aware, you’ll be waited on hand n foot.
End transmission.
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2006 6:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

hey kirk, my names chi im from bris and was introduced to jasen a few months ago. he’s a beautiful person and he’ll be helping me out when im ready. im glad to see you’re doing so well so quickly(im sure to you time probably seems to be going backwards) after treatment. can you tell me aside from lack of sleep if there’s anything else i should be aware of???
cheers …. chi

 

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 14, 2006 at 5:54:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have literally tripped hundreds and hundreds of times off of LSD..  It varies in purity, when in raw form, and the various colors of the raw crystal can give an idea of purity..  The most pure is known as needlepoint, or white fluff which is 95%+ pure, and it is a very clean, visual, trip with no body load, mostly euphoria..  Next you have silver crystal, which is around 85-95% pure..  Usually it is pretty clean, but can seem a little speedier, which is due to some biproducts from the synthesis..  Then you have amber crystal, which is about 75-85% pure, and it can feel a little more tense, and cause some gas or backache..  This is intensified with larger doses…  There is lavender, that is up to 80% pure, but can range to almost black, which is much less pure..  There is also tornado juice, of unkown purity…  With fluff, it seems the more you eat, the stronger the trip, without any negative side effects, but with the less pure crystal, in higher doses, the negative effects are intensified..  This could account for bad acid, or also, nowadays, there has been blotter paper sold as acid, but is actually one of the phenethylamines like DOC, DOB, or DOI..  With a normal dose, it is very similar to an LSD trip, but when taken in higher doses, people can OD, which is pretty much unheard of with LSD..

As for LSD leading to other drugs, I believe that is just not true…  LSD helped me to come to the realization, that I could live life without methadone, and it helped prepare my mind for making the transition..  Iboga, I credit for the actual addicition interruption, but I think it was the various psychedelics that helped to maintain the mental fortitude to stick with it…  Many people like to claim certain drugs lead to other drugs, but many people I know, have smoked cannabis, eaten LSD, etc, yet never went on to hard drugs, like I did..

Also, acid didn’t turn any Grateful Dead member into an alcoholic..  I imagine you’re speaking of Ron “Pigpen” Mckernan, who actually was already pretty heavy into drugs and alcohol, and never really liked LSD…  You are not gonna get ergotism from LSD, but some biproducts in the dirtier acid can cause some discomfort during the trip and into the next day…  This will wear off just like the trip, though…

cm <cm67@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or
take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of
1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and
then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories;
the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking
being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really,
really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen”
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

> Hello
> Is there such a thing as bad acid? I thought that was a myth?
>
> I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
> after taking acid and having a bad trip. Could it be that acid opens
> up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
> seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
> have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
> years now to supress his anger. I would have thought that the same
> possiblities would be there with other psychedelics. Maybe acid is
> more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
> setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
> society!!
>
> Luke
>
> On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dana,
>> I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
>> because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
>> possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and
>> even
>> Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid,
>> like
>> Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
>> cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all
>> the
>> damage.
>> And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin”
>> that
>> made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by
>> ruling
>> of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
>> Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers that
>> the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed
>> suicide
>> when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of
>> nylon
>> fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s
>> soul
>> burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes
>> of
>> fame as the first Drug Czar.
>> Respectfully,
>> WarrenT
>
>
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress
Date: March 14, 2006 at 5:43:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anything else to be aware of…………….yeh lack of sleep, but it seems different after Ibogaine you have a lot to think about and process, and for me I have a nice sense of peace with the world now that I haven’t had before.
Be aware, you’ll be waited on hand n foot.
End transmission.
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2006 6:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

hey kirk, my names chi im from bris and was introduced to jasen a few months ago. he’s a beautiful person and he’ll be helping me out when im ready. im glad to see you’re doing so well so quickly(im sure to you time probably seems to be going backwards) after treatment. can you tell me aside from lack of sleep if there’s anything else i should be aware of???
cheers …. chi

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Chi
Date: March 14, 2006 at 5:36:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH dear oh dear oh dear, I must warn you…. Being in the company of jasen can be hazardous to your health.   There is a strong possibility that either A: You will die laughing or B: You will want to chain him to your house and make him your personal slave.   Just thought you should be aware of this…..
Otherwise, consider yourself heavenly blessed to have come across this amazing human of a bean, with risk to inflating Jasen’s ego beyond deflation, everybody needs one of him for this journey.
Feel free to write off list if you want, or msn captkirk@free.net.nz  also have Yafekkinhoo….. I’d love to answer anything you may want to ask.
You are in good hands, I am so happy for you.
Love n laughter
Koiky xxxxx
From: cm [mailto:cm67@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2006 6:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress

hey kirk, my names chi im from bris and was introduced to jasen a few months ago. he’s a beautiful person and he’ll be helping me out when im ready. im glad to see you’re doing so well so quickly(im sure to you time probably seems to be going backwards) after treatment. can you tell me aside from lack of sleep if there’s anything else i should be aware of???
cheers …. chi

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Luke Christottersen Re: bad acid
Date: March 14, 2006 at 5:35:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i took a fair bit of acid as a youngin – id say between 60-80 trips, give or take 20 ( ive done a bit of damage to my memory since then)
and in my mind there is definately ‘bad acid’, it can come off a sheet of 1000 and all the others will be fine but for whatever reason, every now and then you get a phuct one. i used put ‘bad acid’ in 2 different categories; the first and most obvious where you have a really bad trip, its liking being in a nightmare and the 2nd when i got no hallucinations just really, really bad stomach cramps and a killer back ache.
—– Original Message —– From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Hello
Is there such a thing as bad acid?  I thought that was a myth?

I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
after taking acid and having a bad trip.  Could it be that acid opens
up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
years now to supress his anger.  I would have thought that the same
possiblities would be there with other psychedelics.  Maybe acid is
more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
society!!

Luke

On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:

Hello Dana,
I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and even
Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid, like
Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all the
damage.
And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin” that
made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by ruling
of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers  that
the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed suicide
when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of nylon
fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s soul
burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes of
fame as the first Drug Czar.
Respectfully,
WarrenT

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk’s talk at the drug clinic
Date: March 14, 2006 at 4:43:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bin thar n dun it, think I did it justice, just spoke from the heart in front of all the counsellors, psychiatrists and docs even the receptionists sat in on it, they’re all fascinated.   Had them in stitches when I had a massive brain fart and couldn’t for the  life of me think of the term “psych nurse” so instead came out with “Nut Nurse”. Bloody funny.  They also thought Jasen’s Jesus Christ status was pretty funny too (for those of you who don’t know, born in same country, on xmas day and his initials are JC hahahahaha).  So yeh a good lighthearted time, sprinkled with questions from the team, which I hope I answered in semi intelligent fashion!!!! Huh. Intelligent. Oh shit now I know I fukd it up hahahahahaha!
So yeh, hopefully we’ll be seeing some more Kiwis on the Ibogaine list and better yet I get the chance to Pay It Forward.
Feeling good today after sleeping from 11 pm to 7 am.  And the sun is out.
Life is good
Love to all
Koiky xxxxxxx
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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 14, 2006 at 3:48:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Did I meet you Dave?

 

From:  “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:41:59 -0500
>For real, was fun to meet you Lee and everyone at the show but if I
>was to peg the most egotistical and ill peeps in the room, that would
>be you and Daniel Pinchbeck. Love all of you, but I’d hold off on
>maybe planning to heal the world and get to yourself first. Well
>balanced and healthy do not come to mind when thinking of either one
>of you. Speaking to you and not including Pinchbeck, well doing up
>iboga 900 times maybe says you need to solve some of your probs
>without it and maybe use it as a escape not a healing tool. Smoke a
>bowl and lighten up!
>
>broc
>
>On 3/14/06, Mark Corcoran <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Lee! It was great to meet you. We really are one big disfunctional
> > family when all is said and done, arent we.  And I don’t think I’d want it
> > any other way.
> >
> > Okay thats all for me right now. Gonna go sprinkle some Eboga on my
> > cornflakes. ;o)
> >
> > Love -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >
> > From:  Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To:  Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List
> > <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
> > Subject:  [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
> > Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:30:53 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email
> > addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my
> > forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a
> > revelation for me.
> >
> > Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that
> > healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the
> > science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time
> > perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in
> > europe.
> >
> > Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and
> > present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing
> > healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the
> > power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in
> > a safe environment.
> >
> >
> > This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical
> > dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth,
> > officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of
> > my work and is a growing and much needed area.
> >
> > So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under
> > the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:
> >
> > 1. Spirituality.
> > 2. Education.
> > 3. Service.
> >
> > When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope
> > to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active
> > interest in Eboga such as:
> >
> > Emotional Release
> > Buddhism
> > Counselling
> > Medicine
> > Harm Reduction
> > Family Counselling
> >
> > Divination
> > Sign Language
> > Support Networks
> > Art & Music Therapy
> > Shamanism & Mysticism
> > Anthropology
> > Sexuality
> >
> > These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine
> > list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which
> > may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3
> > years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your
> > name.
> >
> > For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:
> >
> >
> > www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Lee Albert
> >
> > PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for
> > the invite/hospitality and flight over.
> >
> >
> >
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From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 14, 2006 at 3:41:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

For real, was fun to meet you Lee and everyone at the show but if I
was to peg the most egotistical and ill peeps in the room, that would
be you and Daniel Pinchbeck. Love all of you, but I’d hold off on
maybe planning to heal the world and get to yourself first. Well
balanced and healthy do not come to mind when thinking of either one
of you. Speaking to you and not including Pinchbeck, well doing up
iboga 900 times maybe says you need to solve some of your probs
without it and maybe use it as a escape not a healing tool. Smoke a
bowl and lighten up!

broc

On 3/14/06, Mark Corcoran <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Hey Lee! It was great to meet you. We really are one big disfunctional
family when all is said and done, arent we.  And I don’t think I’d want it
any other way.

Okay thats all for me right now. Gonna go sprinkle some Eboga on my
cornflakes. ;o)

Love -Mark

 

________________________________

From:  Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List
<ibogaine@mindvox.com>, sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
Subject:  [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:30:53 +0000 (GMT)

 

Dear list,

Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email
addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my
forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a
revelation for me.

Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that
healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the
science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time
perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in
europe.

Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and
present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing
healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the
power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in
a safe environment.

This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical
dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth,
officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of
my work and is a growing and much needed area.

So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under
the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:

1. Spirituality.
2. Education.
3. Service.

When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope
to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active
interest in Eboga such as:

Emotional Release
Buddhism
Counselling
Medicine
Harm Reduction
Family Counselling

Divination
Sign Language
Support Networks
Art & Music Therapy
Shamanism & Mysticism
Anthropology
Sexuality

These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine
list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which
may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3
years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your
name.

For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:

www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc

Warm regards,

Lee Albert

PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for
the invite/hospitality and flight over.

 

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 14, 2006 at 2:14:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Lee! It was great to meet you. We really are one big disfunctional family when all is said and done, arent we.  And I don’t think I’d want it any other way.
Okay thats all for me right now. Gonna go sprinkle some Eboga on my cornflakes. ;o)
Love -Mark

 

From:  Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
Subject:  [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:30:53 +0000 (GMT)

Dear list,

Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a revelation for me.

Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in europe.

Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in a safe environment.

This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth, officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of my work and is a growing and much needed area.

So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:

1. Spirituality.

2. Education.

3. Service.

When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active interest in Eboga such as:

Emotional Release

Buddhism

Counselling

Medicine

Harm Reduction

Family Counselling

Divination

Sign Language

Support Networks

Art & Music Therapy

Shamanism & Mysticism

Anthropology

Sexuality

These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3 years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your name.

For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:

www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc

Warm regards,

Lee Albert

PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for the invite/hospitality
and flight over.

 

 

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From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 14, 2006 at 12:51:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Magnolia Martin wrote:
Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of  heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just  seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly  appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

NIDA estimates it at around 800,000 – 1,000,000.

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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Eboga Movement
Date: March 14, 2006 at 8:30:53 AM EST
To: Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>, Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, sacrament@sacrament.kibla.si
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

Firstly, it was nice to finally meet real people rather than email addresses. Hi to everyone who was at the conference. As the title of my forum discussion stated: Ibogaine – Source of Revelation. It certainly was a revelation for me.

Coming back from NY I reflected on my experience there and realized that healing is in some ways a fringe aspect of the ibogaine movement – the science/dependence treatment and legalization issues taking most of the time perhaps. Fortunately we do not have the same legalisation problems here in europe.

Also, it seems to me that in my time on the ibogaine list the real and present issues of people needing to have an initial treatment made ongoing healing discussions on the list somewhat inappropriate. I believe in the power of Eboga to heal and I also believe that healing should take place in a safe environment.

This is why I feel its important to widen the scope of ibogaine for chemical dependence into, eboga for healing of trauma and spiritual growth, officially. That has always been my intention and the primary motivation of my work and is a growing and much needed area.

So I would like to state that as of now there is “An Eboga Movement” under the auspices of www.my-eboga.org and it will consist of 3 pillars:

1. Spirituality.
2. Education.
3. Service.

When the first conference is held one day, hopefully within 3 years, I hope to draw together people from complementary areas to Eboga with an active interest in Eboga such as:

Emotional Release
Buddhism
Counselling
Medicine
Harm Reduction
Family Counselling
Divination
Sign Language
Support Networks
Art & Music Therapy
Shamanism & Mysticism
Anthropology
Sexuality

These are the areas that spring to mind. Anyone out there on the ibogaine list or eboga list who is interested in being apart of this conference which may, Eboga willing, take place in Spain or another european country in 3 years time, please write to me off list and I will keep a record of your name.

For those who may have missed it. I posted my prepared talk on the web site:

www.my-eboga.org/COSM-LA-Feb-2006.doc

Warm regards,

Lee Albert

PS. Thank you Alex Gey for such a wonderful setting and thank you Dana for the invite/hospitality and flight over.

 

From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] and your fantastic progress
Date: March 14, 2006 at 12:07:09 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey kirk, my names chi im from bris and was introduced to jasen a few months ago. he’s a beautiful person and he’ll be helping me out when im ready. im glad to see you’re doing so well so quickly(im sure to you time probably seems to be going backwards) after treatment. can you tell me aside from lack of sleep if there’s anything else i should be aware of???
cheers …. chi

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 13, 2006 at 10:51:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

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From: Magnolia Martin <mmartin382@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] heroin addict statistics
Date: March 13, 2006 at 5:19:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone happen to have a reliable source as to the number of heroin addicts in the US? I’ve found over 2.5 million but this just seems low, at least in my opinion. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Magnolia

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 13, 2006 at 3:49:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello
Is there such a thing as bad acid?  I thought that was a myth?

I remember reading a member of the greatfull dead became an alcoholic
after taking acid and having a bad trip.  Could it be that acid opens
up the unconscious and leaks out unpleasant feelings leading people to
seek out other drugs to supress the pain such as heroin and alcohol. I
have a friend who took acid and has been on loads of medication for 10
years now to supress his anger.  I would have thought that the same
possiblities would be there with other psychedelics.  Maybe acid is
more potent or prehaps the Indians have a better or more suportive
setting for their use as opposed to the stressfull pace of modern
society!!

Luke

On 3/12/06, WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:

Hello Dana,
I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not
because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could
possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and even
Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid, like
Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not
cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all the
damage.
And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin” that
made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by ruling
of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate
Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers  that
the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed suicide
when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of nylon
fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s soul
burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes of
fame as the first Drug Czar.
Respectfully,
WarrenT

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Barking Dogs in Tujunga
Date: March 13, 2006 at 10:24:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aw hell, Warren. Barking dogs.  High on the list of life’s little annoyances.  Was there a Jane’s Addiction song that starts out with that theme?

Have you ever checked out your Mayan calendared supehero glactic star signature?  Maybe you are a White Dog and your neighbors’ animals are trying to reactivate your wolfycoyoteinnerwisdom?  www.tortuga.com  (see “decode a birthdate” to find your kin)

Full moon coming, with an eclipse, so it could be the Universe is bringing this all into sharp focus at this particular moment for a reason.

No need to apologize for sharing your sorrows.  YITRP/KKB.

 

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 13, 2006 at 10:07:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Warren & welcome to our list. I do hope that you are able to experience ibogaine & freedom from opiate addiction. I was reading your last post, did you say Tujunga? I used to live in Tujunga when I was a little girl, wow its a small world isn’t it? shell

WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Rachel,
Thank you for you kind words. I have been isolating myself too much over
the years since my best friend died in 1994 and its gotten worse in the last
five years. But I know there is still hope. Sometimes I get an overwhelming
feeling of paranoia about the present era and a yearning to find something
new. I don’t want to return to the old, because it ended up here on the
timeline.
Its hard to know where to look when you are blinded by hurt, anger and
hunger for a new beginning. Even my once career has lost its appeal these
days. If I had the time and wherewithal, I would like to study pharmacology
as a profession, but it seems like just a pipe dream. I am tied of the
rampant commercialism of Hollywood. Where is the reward when it costs at
least $50 a month for 24/7 infomertials on Pay-TV, free TV, HDTV, lo-def TV,
its all the same bling-spew. The sitcoms are all product placement
infomercials with misleading messages about everything. Driving for 2 hours
a day and spending $50 to $100 a week in Gasoline. Working so hard all those
years just to see my town over-run with cars and helicopters so there is no
sense of security. The harder we fight all these wars overseas and in our
own cities against each other and ourselves, the less secure we are.
Referring to an off topic post about cartoons and Islamic rage, it would not
have come to this if we had not removed the sacred carbon fossil substance
from the Earth with such little concern for man or beast in the beginning.
What good is it to be cured of Cancer [because of fossil-fuel technology]
and then have to worry about working and dying in a tall building near an
airport because of some mad-people? Call me a “sort” of Luddite. Half the
CO2 released in the last 3 centuries has dissolved in the Ocean and is
acidifying the seas like soda. In 3 more centuries the oceans will be more
acidic than in 300 million years. There goes all the shell fish, coral,
oxygen-giving plankton. Who cares about 3 hundred years from now? Why have
children when there is no future? The scenario of the future might be
brighter if I wasn’t really seriously depressed. I read where Ibogaine even
had some quality of being able to target the part of the brain responsible
for psychosis. Not that I have that problem, just that when I have taken a
comfortable dosage of Codeine for helping with a previous back injury, the
dopamine stimulation of the drug along with my neighbors allowing their dogs
to be a constant noise-nuisance-racket, now the 3rd next door neighbor group
in 6 years with the same problem of no respect for peace and quiet or the
sanctity of ones own bedroom, causes me to become so angry inside that I end
up breaking my own things. I [think] I drove away two sets of neighbors by
my complaining and yelling, but I am so tired of that. The home I grew up in
during weekend visits to my Grandparents here in Tujunga is no longer a
sanctuary. The local historical museum has published a book about the
history of Tujunga and my family and Grandparents written about in it.
Nothing has yet been publicly written about my Next-Door-Neighbors-From-Hell
for the last 6 years until now. My sister is sick of hearing about my
problems living here. My Dad just had a stroke and passed away, just 5 years
after my brother’s suicide. I haven’t been able to forgive myself for not
being there more for my Brother and now I am feeling guilty about worrying
my Dad so much. But this has not been a quiet and easy neighbor hood in
which to own a home. What should be a place of peace and quiet and
productiveness has been quite the opposite. There I go again. Sorry, Rachel.
Best Wishes,
WarrenT

 

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 13, 2006 at 10:06:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is making me hungry for thin mint GS cookies!

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Lunar Eclipse
Date: March 12, 2006 at 6:43:38 PM EST
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Lunar Eclipse
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for March 12, 2006
http://spaceweather.com

LUNAR ECLIPSE:  When the full moon rises on Tuesday evening, March
14th, you might notice something odd–a pale shadow darkening the
moon’s southern hemisphere. That is the shadow of Earth, and if you
can see it, you’ve spotted a “penumbral” lunar eclipse.  Weather
permitting, the eclipse will be visible from eastern parts of the USA
and Canada, all of Europe and Africa, most of Asia and South America,
and western Australia. The eclipse will *not* be visible from
California and other far western US states.

BLUE SUN:  Lately, the sun over Egypt has been turning a strange
color–blue!  This is a side-effect of very fine particles in the air
kicked up by seasonal dust storms. Where there are blue suns, there
could be blue moons, too, and maybe even a blue lunar eclipse.
Observers in and around Egypt should keep an eye on the sky in the
nights ahead.

Visit http://Spaceweather.com for pictures of Egypt’s blue sun and
more information about the March 14th eclipse.

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 12, 2006 at 6:37:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Dana,
I have a theory about LSD use leading to Heroin, or other opioids. Not because of one high leading to want another, but that Bad Acid that could possible cause a ergotism like reaction leading to chronic leg pain and even Restless Legs Syndrome. But since there are safer substances than Acid, like Mescaline, which in thousands of years of use by Native Americans has not cause their societies to falter. It was White-Mans’ alcohol that did all the damage.
And it is not because of a “drug-problem” like “the scourge of Heroin” that made cannabis illegal, it was purely economical and still is today by ruling of the Supreme Court that Marijuana being legal goes against interstate Commerce laws. Nothing to do with product safety. Reminding readers  that the inventor of Nylon, working for Dupont in the 1940’s, committed suicide when Hemp was made illegal so as to facilitate the mass marketing of nylon fibers over the death of the hemp fiber industry. May Henry Anslinger’s soul burn in hell for the trouble he has cause the world since his 15 minutes of fame as the first Drug Czar.
Respectfully,
WarrenT

 

From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 12, 2006 at 6:18:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Rachel,
Thank you for you kind words. I have been isolating myself too much over
the years since my best friend died in 1994 and its gotten worse in the last
five years. But I know there is still hope. Sometimes I get an overwhelming
feeling of paranoia about the present era and a yearning to find something
new. I don’t want to return to the old, because it ended up here on the
timeline.
Its hard to know where to look when you are blinded by hurt, anger and
hunger for a new beginning. Even my once career has lost its appeal these
days. If I had the time and wherewithal, I would like to study pharmacology
as a profession, but  it seems like just a pipe dream. I am tied of the
rampant commercialism of Hollywood. Where is the reward when it costs at
least $50 a month for 24/7 infomertials on Pay-TV, free TV, HDTV, lo-def TV,
its all the same bling-spew. The sitcoms are all product placement
infomercials with misleading messages about everything. Driving for 2 hours
a day and spending $50 to $100 a week in Gasoline. Working so hard all those
years just to see my town over-run with cars and helicopters so there is no
sense of security. The harder we fight all these wars overseas and in our
own cities against each other and ourselves, the less secure we are.
Referring to an off topic post about cartoons and Islamic rage, it would not
have come to this if we had not removed the sacred carbon fossil substance
from the Earth with such little concern for man or beast in the beginning.
What good is it to be  cured of Cancer [because of fossil-fuel technology]
and then have to worry about working and dying  in a tall building near an
airport because of some mad-people?  Call me a “sort” of Luddite.  Half the
CO2 released in the last 3 centuries has dissolved in the Ocean and is
acidifying the seas like soda. In 3 more centuries the oceans will be more
acidic than in 300 million years. There goes all the shell fish, coral,
oxygen-giving plankton. Who cares about 3 hundred years from now? Why have
children when there is no future? The scenario of the future might be
brighter if I wasn’t really seriously depressed. I read where Ibogaine even
had some quality of being able to target the part of the brain responsible
for psychosis. Not that I have that problem, just that when I have taken a
comfortable dosage of Codeine for helping with a previous back injury, the
dopamine stimulation of the drug along with my neighbors allowing their dogs
to be a constant noise-nuisance-racket, now the 3rd next door neighbor group
in 6 years with the same problem of  no respect for peace and quiet or the
sanctity of ones own bedroom, causes me to become so angry inside that I end
up breaking my own things. I [think] I drove away two sets of neighbors by
my complaining and yelling, but I am so tired of that. The home I grew up in
during weekend visits to my Grandparents here in Tujunga is no longer a
sanctuary. The local historical museum has published a book about the
history of Tujunga and my family and Grandparents written about in it.
Nothing has yet been publicly written about my Next-Door-Neighbors-From-Hell
for the last 6 years until now. My sister is sick of hearing about my
problems living here. My Dad just had a stroke and passed away, just 5 years
after my brother’s suicide. I haven’t been able to forgive myself for not
being there more for my Brother and now I am feeling guilty about worrying
my Dad so much. But this has not been a  quiet and easy neighbor hood in
which to own a home. What should be a place of peace and quiet and
productiveness has been quite the opposite. There I go again. Sorry, Rachel.
Best Wishes,
WarrenT

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: FW: SIGHTS YOU MAY NOT SEE IN A LIFETIME
Date: March 12, 2006 at 6:03:17 PM EST
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Margaret Irish <bohbox@sover.net>
Date: Mar 10, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: FW: SIGHTS  YOU MAY NOT SEE IN A LIFETIME
To: Linda Babic <ltbabic@yahoo.com>
Cc: Lisa Ryan <staff@barreoperahouse.org>, Dan Casey <bohops@sover.net>, People’s Health & Wellness Clinic <PHWC@sover.net>, Carol Dawes <cdawes@sover.net>, Carolyn Emerson <cemerson@suffolk.lib.ny.us>, Doris Emerson <dorisemers@aol.com>, Vyctorya Emerson <vyctorya58@gmail.com>, Matt Lash <barpart@barrecity.org>, Charlene McCarney <cmccarney@nationallife.com>, Patty Meriam <agelessp@charter.net>, Shelley Morton <shellmo@verizon.net>, Marjorie Ohaus <gustafer@aol.com>, Greg Rausch <greg.rausch@nasdaq.com>, Amanda Renfrew <arenfrew@yahoo.com>, Sarah <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>, Bennett Shapiro <madtechsound@yahoo.com>, Samantha Tuncharoen <sammy_05602@yahoo.com>, Alison Underhill <alisonun@sover.net>

Sights you may not see in a lifetime

Now send to everyone that needs to smile today!!

 

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 12, 2006 at 5:52:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was an urban girlscout- we camped in backyards in the valley.  Ew.

On 3/12/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
i don’t think I’d fit in a girlscout uniform…and I think I might get in
trouble if I tried to get into a girlscout’s uniform anyway.
;-))
But yeah, I not only learn my wilderness survival skills in the boyscouts, I
first learned how to smoke pot too in the boyscouts.
I loved the boyscouts for a long time. I also first traveled to a foreign
country in the boyscouts and climbed the tallest mountain in Great Britain,
Ben Neves (which I recently read some dude rollerbladed up to the top of,
which is completely beyond my imagining when I think back on how rocky and
difficult that hike was, especially since we had to utilize our firstaid
skills and rig up a strecher out of one of our backpack frames and carry
this one kid all the way down the freakin’ mountain due to his becoming
incapacitated by hypothermia. How that guy got to the top in blades seems
nearly impossible, but obviously it wasn’t as he made it.) and kayaked on
Loch Lomand among other lochs (but didn’t see Loch Ness).

Ah well. Youthhood.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

like a goth punk Angus from AC/DC…
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
I think he’d look adorable in a girlscout uniform-but I don’t know how
he feels about those sashes and that shade of green.
Hmmm.
tink

On 3/11/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

 

Geeez woman get outta my head!!!!!!! That’s the image I Have!!!!!!

Toooo funny

Love ya  Preston!!!

;o)

heehee

 

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

 

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

Kirk, I swear we must think just alike! I pictured pierced, tatooed, lonf
har Preston in boy scout suit with tie, shorts and hiking boots! Quite the
visual I must say!

Callie

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] Drug companies say Take your Medicine or else
Date: March 12, 2006 at 5:50:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
Thank you for a well needed chuckle…
tinkergoth

On 3/12/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Did anyone else see the Onion yet this week?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46032

Wonder Drug Inspires Deep, Unwavering Love Of Pharmaceutical Companies
March 6, 2006 | Issue 42•10
NEW YORK—The Food and Drug Administration today approved the sale of the
drug PharmAmorin, a prescription tablet developed by Pfizer to treat chronic
distrust of large prescription-drug manufacturers.
Pfizer executives characterized the FDA’s approval as a “godsend” for
sufferers of independent-thinking-related mental-health disorders.
snip-

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “mcoady” <mcoady@COMCAST.NET>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] Drug companies say Take your Medicine or else

Now this is comforting!! Seems pharmaceutical companies are experiencing a
slowdown in sales and have hired people they say are nurses to call you and
remind you to take your medication.

What next? Will they be showing up at our homes and forcing their
medications down our throat on the premise that it’s good for us.

***************************************************

March 11, 2006
Take Your Pills, All Your Pills
By ANDREW POLLACK
Joseph A. Brocato’s weekly self-injections of a drug to treat hepatitis C
left him so feverish and fatigued, he said, he often thought of quitting. He
didn’t, thanks to a nurse who urged him by phone to stay the course.

The nurse, Colleen Dinsdale, did not work for Mr. Brocato’s doctor. Rather,
Ms. Dinsdale was paid by the drug’s maker, Roche, and its distributor,
McKesson. Each month that Mr. Brocato took the drug, Pegasys, and its
companion pill, ribavirin, meant $3,000 in sales — most of it paid by his
insurance company. His share was a $50 co-payment.

The take-your-medicine program is part of a sales and marketing strategy
that is gaining urgency for drug makers experiencing slowing sales. As it
turns out, the industry leaves billions of dollars on the table — or the
pharmacy shelves — annually because people do not take their drugs as often
or as long as prescribed.

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 12, 2006 at 5:10:26 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink,
I’m trying very hard to hang in here, as my poor Mother is also in mourning for my Dad and I need to show strength. A lot of the time it is emotionally hard to be there for anyone even myself.
It strikes some kind of chord in me that “Ibogaine should find you first”. If it was not for the Internet, I would have never known. If maybe I had gotten interested in neuro-pharmacology much earlier in life maybe. And in my on-line research for knowledge, I found out about Ibogaine, which just happened to have more appeal to me than any of the hype and promises of bliss of any other substance offered on the Internet’s knowledge base. Because it represented an actual proved treatment that could have save the lives of my friends from 30 or more years back if Ibogaine was  a common hospital treatment like it should have been at least 20 years ago. I believe what I have read from Dana and Howard.   I tried Salvia several years ago, but the cosmic relief is too short lived. I remember though, that I relived the feelings, memories and everything wonderful about all the best dreams in my life in just about three minutes. At least I learned that in this case of being completely under the influence of an unknown substance [at the time, except for name], that my inner-core is still intact. I learned of an internal  comedy punchline that goes on forever, every word funnier than the last. I also know of the importance  for being cautious and the appropriate limits. Which is about once or twice a year because of the other real life bummer I am on now.
Thank you for your concern. One of my problems is I don’t get out much these days. At least there is a forum here. As there are support groups for many other physical ailments, Its about time I found one about Ibogaine. I found something that seems to have some promise better that $30000 in some clinic for 2 months. My feeling is that Ibogaine should be a legitimate AMA approved treatment in this country.  There should be no stigma attached with using a drug in a therapeutic manner that goes a long way to reverse the chemical imbalances caused by chronic use of opioid like drugs. What is the stigma of “hallucinations”? All hallucinogens are NOT THE SAME. You can hallucinate on Elavil or Benadryl or Unisom.Not much fun but hallucinate all the same.  Anyway, the Morphine class drugs are legal [for the most part], why shouldn’t an effective drug used for the reverse treatment for over-use be legal? What is all the fuss about the abuse potential for Ibogaine, when the stories I read about the “body load” of the effective dosage tell of it Not being a party-drug. Even when Lambarene was legal in France, weren’t they concerned about it being used to cheat in the Tour de France? Aren’t there sports doping laws and regulations now?  Does it have any potential in low doses as an anti-depressant? Why isn’t it legal and controlled as carefully as Accutane for instance?
Best Regards,
WarrenT
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] Drug companies say Take your Medicine or else
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:27:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>, “newsroom-l” <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Did anyone else see the Onion yet this week?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46032

Wonder Drug Inspires Deep, Unwavering Love Of Pharmaceutical Companies
March 6, 2006 | Issue 42•10
NEW YORK—The Food and Drug Administration today approved the sale of the drug PharmAmorin, a prescription tablet developed by Pfizer to treat chronic distrust of large prescription-drug manufacturers.
Pfizer executives characterized the FDA’s approval as a “godsend” for sufferers of independent-thinking-related mental-health disorders.
snip-

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “mcoady” <mcoady@COMCAST.NET>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] Drug companies say Take your Medicine or else

Now this is comforting!! Seems pharmaceutical companies are experiencing a slowdown in sales and have hired people they say are nurses to call you and remind you to take your medication.

What next? Will they be showing up at our homes and forcing their medications down our throat on the premise that it’s good for us.

***************************************************

March 11, 2006
Take Your Pills, All Your Pills
By ANDREW POLLACK
Joseph A. Brocato’s weekly self-injections of a drug to treat hepatitis C left him so feverish and fatigued, he said, he often thought of quitting. He didn’t, thanks to a nurse who urged him by phone to stay the course.

The nurse, Colleen Dinsdale, did not work for Mr. Brocato’s doctor. Rather, Ms. Dinsdale was paid by the drug’s maker, Roche, and its distributor, McKesson. Each month that Mr. Brocato took the drug, Pegasys, and its companion pill, ribavirin, meant $3,000 in sales — most of it paid by his insurance company. His share was a $50 co-payment.

The take-your-medicine program is part of a sales and marketing strategy that is gaining urgency for drug makers experiencing slowing sales. As it turns out, the industry leaves billions of dollars on the table — or the pharmacy shelves — annually because people do not take their drugs as often or as long as prescribed.

 

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From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:27:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Callie.  Do you have a pic ?
Just remember, you’re only as old as you think you are.  A youthful outlook and a good attitude are more helpful than any medicine of man.

As Above, So Below,

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Sat, March 11, 2006 1:48 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh my! Quite handsome and so young! Or am I just very old? Maybe both! lol!
Callie
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From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:23:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL @ Kirk

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Date: Sat, March 11, 2006 2:03 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahah yehhh that’s what I was thinking…
I refuse to believe it’s just age!!!!! Ahhahahahaa
Koiky xx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:48 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

Oh my! Quite handsome and so young! Or am I just very old? Maybe both! lol!
Callie
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From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos and OT
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:21:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston, it’s good to be aboard !

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos and OT
From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, March 11, 2006 10:08 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

You’ve done your share of dodging bullets though Preston.
Hey all. Thank God for this Ibogaine stuff, ah?
Feeling very grateful this morning. Partially because its Saturday and its beautiful outside. Partially becasue it feels so good to be a year out of the shit. What an insane process this year was and I hung on by the skin of my teeth at times, but I’m still in the land of the living today, and my life is a million times better than it was. I had made quite a mess of every area of my life during 12 years of heroin addiction. I’m about 80K in debt with 40k of that owed to the IRS alone. I ignored a lot fo health issues with a crazy history of cancer in my fam and I’m paying the price for that one as well. My drivers lic. was revoked (thank god I’m in NYC) and thats just the tip of the iceberg.  But what I’m getting to is that I’m starting to tackle all of these issues and no one is more surprised than I am. Maybe not as fast as some people, including myself, would have liked but as I look back on this year I’ve done a hell of a alot and as this next year for me begins things are contiuning to come together and faster and faster. It has become a lot easier to begin to address all of these things, where as before I was totally paralyzed. Once I was able to get some kind of a footing, and that took months post Ibogaine, I just started to address one issue at a time, starting with my head of course. Things are far from fixed but there getting there and the best part is that nothing is insurmountable. I’m working at a job I really don’t like all that much but that isn’t terrible either and I’m sitting still and riding it out for a while so I can put some cash togther and so that I CAN eventually do something I want to do. Long term thinking that I could never wrap my head around before.  I’m working with the fuckin IRS to pay them back and I might be able to get that huge number down a bit with deductions. I finally went to see a doctor and I’m getting my heatlh addressed, and its not cancer. erosive esophagitis/peptic ulcers. Not a good thing but again not insermountable and its forcing me to take better care of myself and that never would have happened before. I’m sending the DMV a check for a 1000 bucks to get my lic. back. That one I have been putting off from 5 years.
I don’t even know what I’m trying to say. I guess I’m reveling in the fact that I don’t have to be a slave to anything anymore including myself. Its a very simpile but amazing revelation for me.
Jeeze. Where would I have been now if it wasn’t for this Ibogaine stuff and all of the amazing people that came into my life as a result.
Okay thanks for listenin.
And of course, thank you so much Howard.

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date:  Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:25:35 -0500
>I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a
>major steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg
>troubles, I’ve been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a
>camping-loving former boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
>Happy to have you aboard Eric.
>
>—–
>”Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
>Do you know that?
>Your future must differ from your past.
>The future must always differ from the past.”
>Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
>
>
>
>
>Robert Eric Bryan III
>Captain, Team DragonFire
>President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball
>
>
>
>——– Original Message ——–
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
>From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
>Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>
>
>very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
>Callie
>
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:05:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i don’t think I’d fit in a girlscout uniform…and I think I might get in trouble if I tried to get into a girlscout’s uniform anyway.
;-))
But yeah, I not only learn my wilderness survival skills in the boyscouts, I first learned how to smoke pot too in the boyscouts.
I loved the boyscouts for a long time. I also first traveled to a foreign country in the boyscouts and climbed the tallest mountain in Great Britain, Ben Neves (which I recently read some dude rollerbladed up to the top of, which is completely beyond my imagining when I think back on how rocky and difficult that hike was, especially since we had to utilize our firstaid skills and rig up a strecher out of one of our backpack frames and carry this one kid all the way down the freakin’ mountain due to his becoming incapacitated by hypothermia. How that guy got to the top in blades seems nearly impossible, but obviously it wasn’t as he made it.) and kayaked on Loch Lomand among other lochs (but didn’t see Loch Ness).

Ah well. Youthhood.
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philip K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

like a goth punk Angus from AC/DC…
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
I think he’d look adorable in a girlscout uniform-but I don’t know how
he feels about those sashes and that shade of green.
Hmmm.
tink

On 3/11/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

 

Geeez woman get outta my head!!!!!!! That’s the image I Have!!!!!!

Toooo funny

Love ya  Preston!!!

;o)

heehee

 

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

 

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

Kirk, I swear we must think just alike! I pictured pierced, tatooed, lonf
har Preston in boy scout suit with tie, shorts and hiking boots! Quite the
visual I must say!

Callie

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 12, 2006 at 3:59:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Desperately waiting to cut the ties.  The message I also hear is that after
death there is life. I’ve dreamed of it. But those memories of hopes seem so
remote now. And at this point this life is emotionally chaotic. Especially
when my Dad just died before I could show him I was going to pull out of
this rut. And at the probable moment when he passed on, I dreamed of him
meeting my deceased brother in something like a post-Katrina, New Orleans
scenario. As usual, I just want to get this bs part of my life over with and
then move away somewhere other than where I grew up. Because it is so vastly
different now than the world I use to know and this world now seems filled
with pain. Not the kind that can be even treated with opiates. They weren’t
called the Flowers of Evil for nothing. Because they take more than they
give. My back is out again and I have nothing much stronger than aspirin
but even so, it doesn’t hurt as much as my heart right now. Or whatever you
call it.

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not No.2
Date: March 12, 2006 at 3:36:26 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bush didn’t have to say, “bring it on” for us that are somewhat Native
American. Still off topic…

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not No.1
Date: March 12, 2006 at 3:34:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well 6 years ago I wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition. This is way off
topic.

 

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From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 12, 2006 at 2:36:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anyone WANTING to be a politician should be instantly banned from being one.

ehehehe… agreed!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 12, 2006 at 2:27:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here in New Zealand we have MMP which I think stands for Multiple Moronic
Politicians, so instead of FFPP (first Fekkers Past the Post) the highest
voted parties get so many seats in parliament, which is good in that there
are more voices but because we are such a small country it’s not really
economically viable to have all those fat bellies on higher salaries.
That’s about all I understand of it lol, I hate the whole system and all
they seem to do is fight like cats n dogs and nothing productive gets done
to help this country out.
Anyone WANTING to be a politician should be instantly banned from being one.
Luff n fluffy ducks
Koiky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: jon [mailto:jon@mindvox.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Thanks for posting that, Tink.  Reminds me that those of y’all with
parliamentary democracies actually seem to have far more democratic
governments than the Stazi Americana.

yeah… i’ve often gotten that impression. i think a lot of the problem
is our two party system (which would really be more accurately described
as a one party system, seeing how alike the republicans and dems have
gotten in the past decade or so).

i think there’s a bit more diversity in the voices in government in
places like canada, england etc… and that diversity means a lot i think.

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 12, 2006 at 1:37:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Warren,
Much like Preston said, I’m not sure I have anything of immediate
‘feel-better’ value at the moment, but I’ve been in a pair of very
similar shoes, as have most of us, and can appreciate how you must be
feeling.
It took me almost two years to get the money together to get treated
the first time, and there were many moments when I thought it was
never going to happen, but I hung in there and made it work.  Ibogaine
is funny like that (at least for me).  It’s like the idea of it finds
you, and then you have to find IT.
I never in a million years thought I’d ever get clean, and though it’s
been a very long and turbulent path to get here, it HAS happened.
Listing and bitching has helped keep me grounded, knowing that people
are reading and responding and commiserating, or giving me a well
needed kick in the ass.
Keep posting, and you are being sent much love and light!
tink

On 3/11/06, WARRENTHERIOT <warrentheriot@comcast.net> wrote:
Right. So much about the loss of more human rights for self control of body
and mind.   As I was immediately off on a tangent due to this internal anger
from all the failures to act. I have been  interested in Ibogaine since I
discovered the subject on the Internet several years ago. If it had been
legal treatment 35 years ago, I wouldn’t have lost three friends and my
brother to the ravages of heroin and alcohol.  I have had a little tablet
problem for some years first as a way of making my legs and feet stop
killing me all the time, to needing more and more, plus more  because of
real injuries to my back, shoulder and elbow nerves. Now,  just one or two
#4’s a day to keep my legs and or feet from killing me.  But its still
making me fell like crap anyway. A year ago I was clean for two months until
my legs just wouldn’t get better after the  worst part of the withdrawals
went away. It took four days from cold turkey to maximum body pain, then a
slow taper down that lasted at least a month. I almost killed myself with a
needle over  a decade ago and it was like seeing the angel of death slowly
appearing in a fog in front of me as I struggled to keep awake. I must have
had a guardian angel with me as I managed to stay away the whole night with
the help of a friend. The worst headache I ever had for three days, really.
Absolutely no fun at all. Two weeks later it was probably the same dose that
killed my friend. Only I don’t drink and he had most of a 40 ounce beer gone
when I found him covered with ants.
Then I  found that codeine helped to cover up the pain of the loss of my
best friend.  At the end of 99 and the beginning of 2000, I also lost my
other best friend and also my brother to suicides. Something seemed to go
away from inside my brain when they were gone. There is this lingering
emptiness. And on top of that I’ve been put through the wringer by my
inconsiderate neighbors’ loud dogs for 6 years. The dogs have gotten better
and worse at times since I moved here 6 years ago. The City of Los Angeles
Animal Regulation Supervisor was from hell. Should not have been in the job.
No luck fighting against idiot bureaucrats and neighbors. The resulting
anger and frustration has gotten me into a deep depression that seemed to me
like it was my fault that my Father just died of a stroke at 84. Just before
Christmas he had a stroke and died Feb 1.
So for the most part I want to stay out of politics. Another  time I tried
to write this message board a note about my quest for a new beginning
instead of the same old loss of joie de vivre, the message got bounced back.
Then again I  felt better that I didn’t get to show so much negativity. Next
question is: Why it is so important to fight a trillion dollar war against
dangerous narcotics and stimulants, fighting in vain against the Human
animal nature to be victim of the diabolical Pavlovian reward system that
the drugs offer. And denying one of the most effective drugs Mother Nature
provided Earthlings as a cure.  Unless there is more money to be made by a
perpetual Orwellian War Against Anything and Everything than money saved by
keeping people off of dangerous drugs. And who really is showing any
sensitivity for human life and dignity from this current US government?
There seems to be no scientific logic for Ibogaine not to be as legal  for
treating the chemical imbalance caused by chronic drug use as Vanblastine is
for treating cancer. They both have similarities in structure and
Vinblastine is also very much more toxic. But then again, no one who will
change things tomorrow is listening or cares about “logic”.  Right now I’m
having a hard time trying to figure to how to juggle being broke, depressed,
out of work and maintaining sanity while also trying to figure out how to
get into the right treatment program before and after Ibogaine. I am really
tired of feeling just plain bad all the time.
Warren

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 12, 2006 at 12:50:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

like a goth punk Angus from AC/DC…
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
I think he’d look adorable in a girlscout uniform-but I don’t know how
he feels about those sashes and that shade of green.
Hmmm.
tink

On 3/11/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

 

Geeez woman get outta my head!!!!!!! That’s the image I Have!!!!!!

Toooo funny

Love ya  Preston!!!

;o)

heehee

 

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

 

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

Kirk, I swear we must think just alike! I pictured pierced, tatooed, lonf
har Preston in boy scout suit with tie, shorts and hiking boots! Quite the
visual I must say!

Callie

 

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From: jon <jon@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 12, 2006 at 4:28:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for posting that, Tink.  Reminds me that those of y’all with
parliamentary democracies actually seem to have far more democratic
governments than the Stazi Americana.

yeah… i’ve often gotten that impression. i think a lot of the problem is our two party system (which would really be more accurately described as a one party system, seeing how alike the republicans and dems have gotten in the past decade or so).

i think there’s a bit more diversity in the voices in government in places like canada, england etc… and that diversity means a lot i think.

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 12, 2006 at 12:34:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was once a girl scout.  they made me carve soap with a plastic
butter knife and prostitute myself for cookie sales.  I think my troop
leader really liked one of my friends. I hate camping and s’mores now,
and the national anthem has been known to drive me into a state of
catatonic insanity.
I wish they still gave me all of those cookies…
love
tink

On 3/11/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Ok, here’s the challenge, I’ll hunt up my Girl Guide make you wet yourself
laughing photo and you get one of you!~!!!!!! That goes for any other past
budding young upright citizens!!!!!
Come on I’m bored I neeeeeed laughs people!!!!!!
Hows this for bad, sitting outside smoking this moaning, I have a church
right next door I had a urge to go over and just sing hymns at the top of my
lungs and laugh lots.
Oh dear DOG help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
(Sings an old punk song,,,,,,, BANNED FRM THE CHURCH, BANNED FROM THE
CHURCH….um think it was peter n the test tube babies, banned from the pub
correct me if I am wrong)
Koiky xxxxxxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

no, but I’m sure my ‘rents do somewhere.
I did make Eagle btw.
;-))

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a major
steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg troubles, I’ve
been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a camping-loving
former
boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
Happy to have you aboard Eric.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

 

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 12, 2006 at 12:28:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Welcome aboard the short bus, tiger!
how does that song go? “I’m not sick, but I’m not well….”
back at you with loving vengeance on the possession of your own life
juices, joy and passions!
love
tink
On 3/11/06, Tiger Lisa <tigerlisa@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, everyone, I’m just loving this list, and how much vulnerability
and wisdom and caring and authenticity and raw feeling and pain and
humor and… LOVE I can feel here!

So, what do you do with a hard on? 🙂
http://www.sexuality.org/l/sex/mywtllaf.html
(this is LONG–9 pages as a WORD document–I can send it on in that
form for anyone that doesn’t have easy web access… definitely worth
reading!)

Wishing everyone full possession of all the juice of life that runs
through your veins,
all the joy and passion that is your birthright, all of YOUR OWN
ENERGY and SELF-LOVE that has been twisted and atrophied and lost. May
we all regain that which is ours! And it starts… right HERE….
Loving you all,
Tiger

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:46:18 EST
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Are you laughing as hard as I am? I’m going to get kicked out of here
for this but it is true.  My dick rules me. I don’t know what to do with it.
It lays around and doesn’t say much but it rules, I can’t forget about it.
Every once in a while it raises it’s ugly head. (chukle know) and I lose my
mind. Let’s go into this a bit longer. (he said longer)  I hope you all are
laughing as much as I am. But………….lets contemplate
this……….what do you do with a hard on? Just where do I stick it? I’ll
think of something.          Skeeter

 

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From: “Tiger Lisa” <tigerlisa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 11, 2006 at 8:15:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, everyone, I’m just loving this list, and how much vulnerability
and wisdom and caring and authenticity and raw feeling and pain and
humor and… LOVE I can feel here!

So, what do you do with a hard on? 🙂
http://www.sexuality.org/l/sex/mywtllaf.html
(this is LONG–9 pages as a WORD document–I can send it on in that
form for anyone that doesn’t have easy web access… definitely worth
reading!)

Wishing everyone full possession of all the juice of life that runs
through your veins,
all the joy and passion that is your birthright, all of YOUR OWN
ENERGY and SELF-LOVE that has been twisted and atrophied and lost. May
we all regain that which is ours! And it starts… right HERE….
Loving you all,
Tiger

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:46:18 EST
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Are you laughing as hard as I am? I’m going to get kicked out of here
for this but it is true.  My dick rules me. I don’t know what to do with it.
It lays around and doesn’t say much but it rules, I can’t forget about it.
Every once in a while it raises it’s ugly head. (chukle know) and I lose my
mind. Let’s go into this a bit longer. (he said longer)  I hope you all are
laughing as much as I am. But………….lets contemplate
this……….what do you do with a hard on? Just where do I stick it? I’ll
think of something.          Skeeter

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 11, 2006 at 7:06:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok, here’s the challenge, I’ll hunt up my Girl Guide make you wet yourself
laughing photo and you get one of you!~!!!!!! That goes for any other past
budding young upright citizens!!!!!
Come on I’m bored I neeeeeed laughs people!!!!!!
Hows this for bad, sitting outside smoking this moaning, I have a church
right next door I had a urge to go over and just sing hymns at the top of my
lungs and laugh lots.
Oh dear DOG help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
(Sings an old punk song,,,,,,, BANNED FRM THE CHURCH, BANNED FROM THE
CHURCH….um think it was peter n the test tube babies, banned from the pub
correct me if I am wrong)
Koiky xxxxxxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

no, but I’m sure my ‘rents do somewhere.
I did make Eagle btw.
;-))

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a major
steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg troubles, I’ve
been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a camping-loving
former
boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
Happy to have you aboard Eric.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

 

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:51:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no, but I’m sure my ‘rents do somewhere.
I did make Eagle btw.
;-))

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a major
steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg troubles, I’ve
been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a camping-loving former
boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
Happy to have you aboard Eric.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

 

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

 

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From: “Charles Rossouw” <kabel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:16:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aren’t we overreacting just a little bit?  Can’t the common erection be likened to the common craving?  Mostly it goes away after a while, doesn’t it?

Should we now say: “You crazy f@#%, why do want more of this or of that?  What goes on in your head?”
—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: 11 March 2006 11:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..

Suggestion:-  Warm Apple Pie??????
Lmao
What goes on in your head boy??????
LOL
Koiky xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 3:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..

Are you laughing as hard as I am? I’m going to get kicked out of here for this but it is true.  My dick rules me. I don’t know what to do with it. It lays around and doesn’t say much but it rules, I can’t forget about it. Every once in a while it raises it’s ugly head. (chukle know) and I lose my mind. Let’s go into this a bit longer. (he said longer)  I hope you all are laughing as much as I am. But………….lets contemplate this……….what do you do with a hard on? Just where do I stick it? I’ll think of something.          Skeeter

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 11, 2006 at 4:51:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geeez woman get outta my head!!!!!!! That’s the image I Have!!!!!!
Toooo funny
Love ya  Preston!!!
;o)
heehee
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 10:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe
Kirk, I swear we must think just alike! I pictured pierced, tatooed, lonf har Preston in boy scout suit with tie, shorts and hiking boots! Quite the visual I must say!
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 11, 2006 at 4:44:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:08:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

Kirk, I swear we must think just alike! I pictured pierced, tatooed, lonf har Preston in boy scout suit with tie, shorts and hiking boots! Quite the visual I must say!
Callie

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 4:20:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks howard!

On 3/11/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 3/11/06 12:12:06 PM, freedomroot@gmail.com writes:

 

Thanks for posting that, Tink.  Reminds me that those of y’all with
parliamentary democracies actually seem to have far more democratic
governments than the Stazi Americana.

Here is Boaz’s green leaf party web page.  In hebrew but, each flower you
click on the left side of the page will load a different video.  Some
interesting stuff.  Boaz has a very good chance of being elected to the
Knesset, the Israeli parliament.

http://elections.ale-yarok.org.il/2006/index.htm

Howard

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 11, 2006 at 4:07:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Suggestion:-  Warm Apple Pie??????
Lmao
What goes on in your head boy??????
LOL
Koiky xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 3:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..

Are you laughing as hard as I am? I’m going to get kicked out of here for this but it is true.  My dick rules me. I don’t know what to do with it. It lays around and doesn’t say much but it rules, I can’t forget about it. Every once in a while it raises it’s ugly head. (chukle know) and I lose my mind. Let’s go into this a bit longer. (he said longer)  I hope you all are laughing as much as I am. But………….lets contemplate this……….what do you do with a hard on? Just where do I stick it? I’ll think of something.          Skeeter

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Preston the Boy Scout
Date: March 11, 2006 at 4:06:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks Preston, that image will stay with me for a long time!!!!!!!
Any photos????? Ehheheehehehehehehe

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a major
steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg troubles, I’ve
been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a camping-loving former
boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
Happy to have you aboard Eric.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

 

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 3:22:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/11/06 12:12:06 PM, freedomroot@gmail.com writes:

Thanks for posting that, Tink.  Reminds me that those of y’all with parliamentary democracies actually seem to have far more democratic governments than the Stazi Americana.

Here is Boaz’s green leaf party web page.  In hebrew but, each flower you click on the left side of the page will load a different video.  Some interesting stuff.  Boaz has a very good chance of being elected to the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.

http://elections.ale-yarok.org.il/2006/index.htm

Howard

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 3:10:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 11, 2006, at 2:44 PM, boaz wrote:
Boaz is a proponent of cheap Ibogaine and not a cheap proponent. The AP news item is not bad but it did not include my discussion on Ibogaine and that’s a shame.

Boaz wachtel
Tink mis-understood. She did it  on Alice’s new computer while I dictated. It was meant to read: “chief proponent.”

But the fact ibogaine never makes it into articles about the Green Leaf brings up an interesting question.

You  (and the Worldwide Marijuana March in all its many affiliates and extensions) support the Dutch model of market separation of cannabis and hard drugs. Ibogaine is merely the logical extension of that. The press should always mention the two in the same sentence practically. But they don’t because they’ve bought in to the conventional wisdom, which is that marijuana ineluctably leads to hard druigs and addiction– not the other way around, which is the case with ibogaine in the picture.

Remember, exponents of the gateway effect argue that ANY illicit use leads to perdition. LSD leads ot heroin just as surely as regular consumption of pot.

OTOH, pygmies, who originally found iboga, specifically claim a deep connection of iboga with cannabis. Maybe we have to start out by educating the press that iboga is the mother, cannabis is the father.

According to the pygmies.

Dana/cnw

 

From: “boaz” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 2:44:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “‘Shahar Ben-Porath'” <cj@actcom.co.il>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boaz is a proponent of cheap Ibogaine and not a cheap proponent. The AP news item is not bad but it did not include my discussion on Ibogaine and that’s a shame.

Boaz wachtel

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:18 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update

Note:
Boaz is a cheap proponent of ibogaine in Israe l-or- he’s working on a
clinical trial on ibogaine for interurption of heroin dependency.
dana
Mar 11, 10:38 AM EST
Green Leaf Party May Win Seats in Israel

By ARON HELLER
Associated Press Writer

AP Photo/ARIEL SCHALIT

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Dressed in sneakers, khaki pants and a
sweatshirt, the chairman of Israel’s pro-marijuana Green Leaf party
takes a drag from his cigarette.

“If it was up to the youth, I would be the Prime Minister of Israel,”
Boaz Wachtel says, sitting on a worn-out sofa in his Tel Aviv office.
That may be a pipe-dream, but the prospect of Wachtel and his party
getting into parliament is not.

Some pollsters say Green Leaf – buoyed by support from young, urban,
secular Israelis – could win two seats in the 120-member Knesset in
the March 28 election, leading the charge of small parties.

The ultraliberal party, whose platform includes legalizing marijuana,
gambling and prostitution, was twice before on the verge of gaining
access to the halls of power. In 2003, it was just 7,000 votes short
of a place in parliament. This time, Wachtel promises to break
through.

“If I didn’t think we had a chance of getting into the Knesset, I
wouldn’t be wasting my time,” he said.

Despite widening its platform to include a dovish attitude toward
Palestinians, Green Leaf has remained firmly on the fringes, and
public opinion experts say the legalization of marijuana is not a
campaign issue in Israel.

“It is more like an ‘in your face’ thing, like saying ‘we are turning
our back on the political establishment and we will vote for someone
who is against the mainstream,'” said researcher Tamar Hermann of Tel
Aviv University. “People don’t take them seriously because everything
they say is taken as if it is said under the influence of drugs.”

Israel is no stranger to political fringe parties. Other candidates
vying for parliament this year include an ex-spy chief representing
pensioners, a fishmonger and a puppeteer campaigning to do away with
bank fees for transactions.

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In the past, single-issue parties campaigning on men’s rights in the
family and the establishment of a national casino have also made a
run. But no one has gotten as close, or attracted as much attention as
Green Leaf.

The party’s past election campaigns have included a jingle with the
national anthem played to the beat of trance music. During Israel’s
withdrawal from Gaza last summer, they recommended settlers roll up a
joint and relax.

On Feb. 20, two of party’s candidates for parliament were arrested
after trying to break into a high school to protest the party’s
exclusion from mock elections there. Green Leaf petitioned the courts
to be allowed to join the vote, but was rejected.

The latest public official to lash out at the party was Silvan Shalom,
a former foreign minister and a candidate from the hawkish Likud
Party, who recently said, “legalizing drugs is insane. It starts with
a cigarette, leads to a joint and ends with cocaine.”

Wachtel said the criticism and media exposure have only helped Green
Leaf. He said his party represents an alternative culture of people
who care about the environment, civil rights and personal freedom.

But he acknowledged that drugs were the great unifier for his motley
crew of candidates for parliament, some of whom had their official
portraits taken with sunglasses and a glass of beer in hand.

“The common denominator is the love of cannabis,” he said.

Yet the 47-year-old Wachtel is hardly your typical hippie.

Educated in the U.S., he has become a respected lecturer on the Middle
East water crisis. In the 1980s, he was the assistant to the military
attache at the Israeli embassy in Washington, and served on a team of
Israeli representatives to former President Ronald Reagan’s
space-based anti-missile shield program.

It was there he first became interested in alternative drug-abuse
treatment. In 1999, he established Green Leaf. He stressed his party
does not promote drug use, only its decriminalization, like in the
Netherlands.

According to a recent survey, 16 percent of Israelis said they had
tried soft drugs at least once. In 2005, 12.5 tons of marijuana and
922 kilograms of hashish were confiscated by Israeli police.

“People in Israel are slaves of the status quo,” he said. “We try to
liberate this plant and the people who consume it from these
horrendous laws and penalties that cause much more harm than the use
of cannabis.”

He pointed to world leaders who have tried pot, including former
President Bill Clinton, who said he didn’t inhale. “So I don’t see the
difference,” Wachtel said.

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 12:12:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for posting that, Tink.  Reminds me that those of y’all with parliamentary democracies actually seem to have far more democratic governments than the Stazi Americana.

 

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Boaz Wachtal update
Date: March 11, 2006 at 11:17:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Note:
Boaz is a cheap proponent of ibogaine in Israe l-or- he’s working on a
clinical trial on ibogaine for interurption of heroin dependency.
dana
Mar 11, 10:38 AM EST
Green Leaf Party May Win Seats in Israel

By ARON HELLER
Associated Press Writer

 

AP Photo/ARIEL SCHALIT

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Dressed in sneakers, khaki pants and a
sweatshirt, the chairman of Israel’s pro-marijuana Green Leaf party
takes a drag from his cigarette.

“If it was up to the youth, I would be the Prime Minister of Israel,”
Boaz Wachtel says, sitting on a worn-out sofa in his Tel Aviv office.
That may be a pipe-dream, but the prospect of Wachtel and his party
getting into parliament is not.

Some pollsters say Green Leaf – buoyed by support from young, urban,
secular Israelis – could win two seats in the 120-member Knesset in
the March 28 election, leading the charge of small parties.

The ultraliberal party, whose platform includes legalizing marijuana,
gambling and prostitution, was twice before on the verge of gaining
access to the halls of power. In 2003, it was just 7,000 votes short
of a place in parliament. This time, Wachtel promises to break
through.

“If I didn’t think we had a chance of getting into the Knesset, I
wouldn’t be wasting my time,” he said.

Despite widening its platform to include a dovish attitude toward
Palestinians, Green Leaf has remained firmly on the fringes, and
public opinion experts say the legalization of marijuana is not a
campaign issue in Israel.

“It is more like an ‘in your face’ thing, like saying ‘we are turning
our back on the political establishment and we will vote for someone
who is against the mainstream,'” said researcher Tamar Hermann of Tel
Aviv University. “People don’t take them seriously because everything
they say is taken as if it is said under the influence of drugs.”

Israel is no stranger to political fringe parties. Other candidates
vying for parliament this year include an ex-spy chief representing
pensioners, a fishmonger and a puppeteer campaigning to do away with
bank fees for transactions.

 

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In the past, single-issue parties campaigning on men’s rights in the
family and the establishment of a national casino have also made a
run. But no one has gotten as close, or attracted as much attention as
Green Leaf.

The party’s past election campaigns have included a jingle with the
national anthem played to the beat of trance music. During Israel’s
withdrawal from Gaza last summer, they recommended settlers roll up a
joint and relax.

On Feb. 20, two of party’s candidates for parliament were arrested
after trying to break into a high school to protest the party’s
exclusion from mock elections there. Green Leaf petitioned the courts
to be allowed to join the vote, but was rejected.

The latest public official to lash out at the party was Silvan Shalom,
a former foreign minister and a candidate from the hawkish Likud
Party, who recently said, “legalizing drugs is insane. It starts with
a cigarette, leads to a joint and ends with cocaine.”

Wachtel said the criticism and media exposure have only helped Green
Leaf. He said his party represents an alternative culture of people
who care about the environment, civil rights and personal freedom.

But he acknowledged that drugs were the great unifier for his motley
crew of candidates for parliament, some of whom had their official
portraits taken with sunglasses and a glass of beer in hand.

“The common denominator is the love of cannabis,” he said.

Yet the 47-year-old Wachtel is hardly your typical hippie.

Educated in the U.S., he has become a respected lecturer on the Middle
East water crisis. In the 1980s, he was the assistant to the military
attache at the Israeli embassy in Washington, and served on a team of
Israeli representatives to former President Ronald Reagan’s
space-based anti-missile shield program.

It was there he first became interested in alternative drug-abuse
treatment. In 1999, he established Green Leaf. He stressed his party
does not promote drug use, only its decriminalization, like in the
Netherlands.

According to a recent survey, 16 percent of Israelis said they had
tried soft drugs at least once. In 2005, 12.5 tons of marijuana and
922 kilograms of hashish were confiscated by Israeli police.

“People in Israel are slaves of the status quo,” he said. “We try to
liberate this plant and the people who consume it from these
horrendous laws and penalties that cause much more harm than the use
of cannabis.”

He pointed to world leaders who have tried pot, including former
President Bill Clinton, who said he didn’t inhale. “So I don’t see the
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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos and OT
Date: March 11, 2006 at 10:08:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You’ve done your share of dodging bullets though Preston.
Hey all. Thank God for this Ibogaine stuff, ah?
Feeling very grateful this morning. Partially because its Saturday and its beautiful outside. Partially becasue it feels so good to be a year out of the shit. What an insane process this year was and I hung on by the skin of my teeth at times, but I’m still in the land of the living today, and my life is a million times better than it was. I had made quite a mess of every area of my life during 12 years of heroin addiction. I’m about 80K in debt with 40k of that owed to the IRS alone. I ignored a lot fo health issues with a crazy history of cancer in my fam and I’m paying the price for that one as well. My drivers lic. was revoked (thank god I’m in NYC) and thats just the tip of the iceberg.  But what I’m getting to is that I’m starting to tackle all of these issues and no one is more surprised than I am. Maybe not as fast as some people, including myself, would have liked but as I look back on this year I’ve done a hell of a alot and as this next year for me begins things are contiuning to come together and faster and faster. It has become a lot easier to begin to address all of these things, where as before I was totally paralyzed. Once I was able to get some kind of a footing, and that took months post Ibogaine, I just started to address one issue at a time, starting with my head of course. Things are far from fixed but there getting there and the best part is that nothing is insurmountable. I’m working at a job I really don’t like all that much but that isn’t terrible either and I’m sitting still and riding it out for a while so I can put some cash togther and so that I CAN eventually do something I want to do. Long term thinking that I could never wrap my head around before.  I’m working with the fuckin IRS to pay them back and I might be able to get that huge number down a bit with deductions. I finally went to see a doctor and I’m getting my heatlh addressed, and its not cancer. erosive esophagitis/peptic ulcers. Not a good thing but again not insermountable and its forcing me to take better care of myself and that never would have happened before. I’m sending the DMV a check for a 1000 bucks to get my lic. back. That one I have been putting off from 5 years.
I don’t even know what I’m trying to say. I guess I’m reveling in the fact that I don’t have to be a slave to anything anymore including myself. Its a very simpile but amazing revelation for me.
Jeeze. Where would I have been now if it wasn’t for this Ibogaine stuff and all of the amazing people that came into my life as a result.
Okay thanks for listenin.
And of course, thank you so much Howard.

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date:  Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:25:35 -0500
>I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a
>major steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg
>troubles, I’ve been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a
>camping-loving former boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
>Happy to have you aboard Eric.
>
>—–
>”Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
>Do you know that?
>Your future must differ from your past.
>The future must always differ from the past.”
>Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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>—– Original Message —– From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
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>
>Robert Eric Bryan III
>Captain, Team DragonFire
>President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball
>
>
>
>——– Original Message ——–
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
>From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
>Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>
>
>very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
>Callie
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]My dick rules me..
Date: March 11, 2006 at 9:46:18 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are you laughing as hard as I am? I’m going to get kicked out of here for this but it is true.  My dick rules me. I don’t know what to do with it. It lays around and doesn’t say much but it rules, I can’t forget about it. Every once in a while it raises it’s ugly head. (chukle know) and I lose my mind. Let’s go into this a bit longer. (he said longer)  I hope you all are laughing as much as I am. But………….lets contemplate this……….what do you do with a hard on? Just where do I stick it? I’ll think of something.          Skeeter

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:53:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Warren –

Sometimes “there are no words,” as the poet Yvgeny Yvetshenko mourns.  But reading your story, a bit of song came to mind.

“All night, all day…
angels watching over me my Lord…
All night, all day….
angels watching over me.”

Wishing for you the courage, support, and strength you seek.  There are, most definitely, ibogaine angels.

love, Rachel

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:25:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve always wanted to play paintball and have yet to do so. I was a major steal the flag player years ago, but with my back and leg troubles, I’ve been refraining from trying the PB thing. Still, as a camping-loving former boyscout, the game has alway intrigued me.
Happy to have you aboard Eric.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

 

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:47:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Actually Guy, I’ve taken ibogaine a few more than three times now.
It’s been four full treatment sessions total, and a few times taking much smaller doses in hopes it would be enough to at least cut my tolerance- to mixed results.

How much time passed between the times and where they big full on doses.<

I first took ibogaine in August of 2004, and this past Jan./Feb. was the fourth full on dosing- but come to think of it, this last time, I took waaaaaaaaaay less than I’ve ever taken as a treatment dose (one gram of indra, than three half-grams over the next couple of days, at Sara’s in the Netherlands), and it was seemingly most effective. But I suspect it was due to the circumstances and my desire to real, and I mean real change, not just a break from the routine but real fucking change.
I’m not exactly sure what the dose amounts were the first three times now, although I do believe I’ve got them written down on the stories I wrote, at least the first one I wrote (Kicking drugs with drugs- http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm) detailing my experiences. You can search the front page of DrugWar.com for this and more ibogaine-based stories if you’d like more personal info and descriptions.

I had 15mg’s per kg of body weight and I weigh 95kg’s.<

Considering I weigh a lot less than you, it seems my doses the first three times were much larger than yours- which, come to think of it just this second, might have had something to do with my not getting “it”- due to my feeling so overwhelmed and having difficulty assimilating whatever it was I “learned” under the influence of ibogaine HCL those first three times (and HCL boosters intermittently too). I mean, I LOVE tripping but, even though I felt really rejuvinated those first times, I also felt really shattered simultaneously, which made it a little difficult for ME to get a grip on what I really wanted to do and how to do it. This time I had a much easier time with the whole process, as terrified as I was pre-iboga at Sara’s. She could tell you how scared I sounded the last couple of times I spoke to her on the phone before boarding a plane- I really wasn’t sure I wanted to go and do ibogaine again, even the indra which is supposed to be much milder (and for me was much milder).
Now I’m so damned glad I went ahead and flew to see Sara and always will be.

Also I was coming off a rather nasty substance, which I hope will not be the
case next time. I am 41 years old and believe it or not am in quite good
condition. Even though I was on one substance I do not drink or take other
drugs, I eat well and get regular exercise.(I suppose I am a white collar
Junkie)<

Were I you Guy, I’d wait a while, perhaps 3 to 6 months before going another round, but again, this is just me. You sound as though you are in pretty good health, but why risk it?
Hope this answers a few questions or at least gives you food for thought.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Preston you say you have taken Ibogaine 3 times. Wow, while I found it
incredible it was also very hard, physically, emotionally and spiritually.
How much time passed between the times and where they big full on doses. I
had 15mg’s per kg of body weight and I weigh 95kg’s. I feel that where I
took my body was close to death or at least close to a shut down. I could;nt
eat or drink for 4 days. My strength is only now starting to return(17days
later) I can imagine doing it again but not until a few months have passed.
Also I was coming off a rather nasty substance, which I hope will not be the
case next time. I am 41 years old and believe it or not am in quite good
condition. Even though I was on one substance I do not drink or take other
drugs, I eat well and get regular exercise.(I suppose I am a white collar
Junkie)
Guy in deepest darkest Afrika.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 10 March 2006 12:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

It seems that, from what I’ve read that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?<

Just speaking for myself, the first couple or three time having taken
ibogaine, I got seriously depressed after a couple or three weeks. This time

that has NOT been the case, even when I feel like I have an excuse to wallow

in depression. I’ve realized it’s an ongoing process, that it’s up to me to
keep that buoyant feeling alive in me. Because it will not stay on it’s own-

I Have to give my spirit reasons to be content.
Peace and love and best of luck and positive wishes your way Guy.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Thanks Preston,
So far every time I have started to make movies in my head(which in the
past
lead to relapse) I have been able to stop the movie and see it for what it
is and not go and buy some popcorn. It seems that, from what I’ve read
that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?
Love Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 13:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I
ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day,
or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m
not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the
first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better
than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will
be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:32:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wow, Warren, there’s not a single thing I can think of off the top of my head to help you feel better- except to say I too have had that little pill problem on and off due to steady, unrelenting pain issues (still ever present, damn the pain). But I’m doing well today, and didn’t think it possible- so there may very well be hope, despite the chance it doesn’t look like it to you now.
This probably hasn’t helped you at all, but maybe just knowing others are reading your words and thinking about you will.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:44 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far

Right. So much about the loss of more human rights for self control of body
and mind.   As I was immediately off on a tangent due to this internal anger
from all the failures to act. I have been  interested in Ibogaine since I
discovered the subject on the Internet several years ago. If it had been
legal treatment 35 years ago, I wouldn’t have lost three friends and my
brother to the ravages of heroin and alcohol.  I have had a little tablet
problem for some years first as a way of making my legs and feet stop
killing me all the time, to needing more and more, plus more  because of
real injuries to my back, shoulder and elbow nerves. Now,  just one or two
#4’s a day to keep my legs and or feet from killing me.  But its still
making me fell like crap anyway. A year ago I was clean for two months until
my legs just wouldn’t get better after the  worst part of the withdrawals
went away. It took four days from cold turkey to maximum body pain, then a
slow taper down that lasted at least a month. I almost killed myself with a
needle over  a decade ago and it was like seeing the angel of death slowly
appearing in a fog in front of me as I struggled to keep awake. I must have
had a guardian angel with me as I managed to stay away the whole night with
the help of a friend. The worst headache I ever had for three days, really.
Absolutely no fun at all. Two weeks later it was probably the same dose that
killed my friend. Only I don’t drink and he had most of a 40 ounce beer gone
when I found him covered with ants.
Then I  found that codeine helped to cover up the pain of the loss of my
best friend.  At the end of 99 and the beginning of 2000, I also lost my
other best friend and also my brother to suicides. Something seemed to go
away from inside my brain when they were gone. There is this lingering
emptiness. And on top of that I’ve been put through the wringer by my
inconsiderate neighbors’ loud dogs for 6 years. The dogs have gotten better
and worse at times since I moved here 6 years ago. The City of Los Angeles
Animal Regulation Supervisor was from hell. Should not have been in the job.
No luck fighting against idiot bureaucrats and neighbors. The resulting
anger and frustration has gotten me into a deep depression that seemed to me
like it was my fault that my Father just died of a stroke at 84. Just before
Christmas he had a stroke and died Feb 1.
So for the most part I want to stay out of politics. Another  time I tried
to write this message board a note about my quest for a new beginning
instead of the same old loss of joie de vivre, the message got bounced back.
Then again I  felt better that I didn’t get to show so much negativity. Next
question is: Why it is so important to fight a trillion dollar war against
dangerous narcotics and stimulants, fighting in vain against the Human
animal nature to be victim of the diabolical Pavlovian reward system that
the drugs offer. And denying one of the most effective drugs Mother Nature
provided Earthlings as a cure.  Unless there is more money to be made by a
perpetual Orwellian War Against Anything and Everything than money saved by
keeping people off of dangerous drugs. And who really is showing any
sensitivity for human life and dignity from this current US government?
There seems to be no scientific logic for Ibogaine not to be as legal  for
treating the chemical imbalance caused by chronic drug use as Vanblastine is
for treating cancer. They both have similarities in structure and
Vinblastine is also very much more toxic. But then again, no one who will
change things tomorrow is listening or cares about “logic”.  Right now I’m
having a hard time trying to figure to how to juggle being broke, depressed,
out of work and maintaining sanity while also trying to figure out how to
get into the right treatment program before and after Ibogaine. I am really
tired of feeling just plain bad all the time.
Warren

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:32:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

did I miss something?
Peace and love.
—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
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Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not

Do you actually think that Islam is the worst enemy of the US when idiots
like Cheney hold onto intellegence like “Bin Laden Likely to Strike in US”.
Rumsfeld wanted a “Second Pearl Harbor” .  Pat Robertson, a so-called
Christian wants to kill the President of Venezuela. Your talking points are
sick and so is the GOP>

 

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not No.2
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:27:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you actually think that Islam is the worst enemy of the US when idiots
like Cheney hold onto intellegence like “Bin Laden Likely to Strike in
US”.
Rumsfeld wanted a “Second Pearl Harbor” .  Pat Robertson, a so-called
Christian wants to kill the President of Venezuela. Your talking points
are
sick and so is the GOP>

Salman Rushdie is among a dozen writers to have put their names to a
statement in a
French weekly paper warning against Islamic “totalitarianism”.
The writers say the violence sparked by the publication of cartoons
satirising the
Prophet Muhammad shows the need to fight for secular values and freedom.

The statement is published in Charlie Hebdo, one of several European
papers to
reprint the caricatures.

The images, first published in Denmark, have angered Muslims across the
world.

One showed the Prophet Muhammad, whose depiction is banned in Islam, as a
terrorist
bomber.

Many newspapers defended their decision to reprint the cartoons on the
grounds of
freedom of expression.

‘Global threat’

Almost all of those who have signed the statement have experienced
difficulties with
Islamic militancy first-hand, says the BBC’s Caroline Wyatt in Paris.

They include Dutch MP and filmmaker Ayaan Hirsi Ali and exiled Bangladeshi
writer
Taslima Nasreen.

STATEMENT SIGNATORIES
Salman Rushdie – Indian-born British writer with fatwa issued ordering his
execution for The Satanic Verses
Ayaan Hirsi Ali – Somali-born Dutch MP
Taslima Nasreen – exiled Bangladeshi writer, with fatwa issued ordering her
execution
Bernard-Henri Levy – French philosopher
Chahla Chafiq – Iranian writer exiled in France
Caroline Fourest – French writer
Irshad Manji – Ugandan refugee and writer living in Canada
Mehdi Mozaffari – Iranian academic exiled in Denmark
Maryam Namazie – Iranian writer living in Britain
Antoine Sfeir – director of French review examining Middle East
Ibn Warraq – US academic of Indian/Pakistani origin
Philippe Val – director of Charlie Hebdo

“After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces
a new
global threat: Islamism,” the manifesto says.
“We, writers, journalists, intellectuals, call for resistance to religious
totalitarianism and for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and
secular
values for all.”

The clashes over the cartoons “revealed the necessity of the struggle for
these
universal values,” the statement continues.

“It is not a clash of civilisations nor an antagonism of West and East
that we are
witnessing, but a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats.”

The writers said they refused to accept that Muslim men and women “should be
deprived of their rights to equality, liberty or secularity in the name of
respect
for culture or tradition”.

They also said they would not give up their critical spirit out of fear of
being
accused of Islamophobia.

“Islamism is a reactionary ideology which kills equality, freedom and
secularism
wherever it is present,” the writers added, saying it is nurtured by fears
and
frustrations.

 

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not No.1
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:24:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you actually think that Islam is the worst enemy of the US when idiots
like Cheney hold onto intellegence like “Bin Laden Likely to Strike in
US”.
Rumsfeld wanted a “Second Pearl Harbor” .  Pat Robertson, a so-called
Christian wants to kill the President of Venezuela. Your talking points
are
sick and so is the GOP>

 

Europe is pregnant with Islam and will give a birth to an Islamic nation’
5/19/2005
KurdishMedia.com – By Aland Mizell
Europe is pregnant with Islam and will give birth to an Islamic Nation
(Saidi Kurdi 1908)

Since September 11, the word Islam has become familiar words around the
world. Some Muslims see this phenomenon as an open door for spreading
Islam globally. Some even interpret this tragedy as fortuitous because
they say Allah will bring good news out of bad news. Others argue that in
the future Islam and the message of the Qur’an would have prevailed in any
case. Also, some Muslims go further to provide what they perceive as clear
proof that this victory will occur.

For example, students of Mola Saidi Kurdi refer to his writings to provide
such evidence. Saidi Kurdi, an Islamic theologian, born in 1876 in the
Kurdish city of Bedlîs in Northern Kurdistan (Southeastern Turkey),
predicted a long time ago that Islam would, in what he deemed the near
future, gain ascendancy. Because Islam
holds that everything happens for a reason, some Islamists interpret the
World Trade Center attack as a means of spreading Islam. In this view the
event advanced the early twentieth century prophecy of the Bediuzzamans
[holy man].

In 1908, Saidi Kurdi foretold that Europe would become an Islamic nation.
He wrote that his followers should take with pleasure the advantages of
Europe – like technology and industry – that would assist them in their
progress toward their goal and in the development of their civilization.
However, he admonished them that they should forbid the sins and evils of
Western civilization from entering the boundaries of their freedom and
their culture. With the sword of the Sharia, the Quran, young people in
his civilization would be protected by the pure, cold spring of life of
the Sharia. He advised that they must imitate the Japanese in acquiring
civilization, for by taking only the virtues of civilization from the
Europeans, they would preserve their national customs, the leaven of every
nation’s continuance, but leave behind the undesirable.

Believing that the most effective tool to defeat the enemy is to shoot the
enemy with his own weapon, Muslims see the enemy’s weapon as democracy,
rule of law, and particularly freedom of expression. Technology and higher
education are also to be appropriated to use against infidels. In their
home countries, most Islamists cannot exercise freedom of expression, but
in the West they seize the benefits of democracy to spread Islam.
Ironically, the airplane hijackers lived in the United States under the
rule of law as ordinary members of the community until they executed their
plan to crash the planes into the buildings and kill so many occupants. By
this strategy of assessing the most advantageous tools of the Western
world, Islamic organizations with a mission to revive an international
Islamic state take hold of every means of achieving their goal, especially
the benefits of the enemy’s society. Academic freedom, freedom of
assembly, sophisticated technology, as well as values of tolerance, equal
access, and freedom of speech have permitted Islam to become the most
rapidly growing religion in both the United States and Europe.

At the turn of the twentieth century, Saidi Kurdi recognized that through
their own technology Europeans could be conquered. His early writings
predict this conquest. In the autumn of 1908, one of the leading members
of the famous el-Ezher University in Cairo, and at one time Grand Mufti of
Egypt, Seyh Muhammed Bahid visited Istanbul. The Istanbul ulema, inferior
to Bediuzzaman in argument and debate, asked Seyh Bahid if he would meet
him for an intellectual exchange. The Seyh accepted, and one day after
prayers in Aya Sophia, a contest began. Bediuzzaman was seated in a
tea-house with other ulema present. Seyh Bahid approached Bediuzzaman, and
questioned him: “What is your opinion concerning Freedom and the Ottoman
State, and European civilization?” Bediuzzaman unhesitatingly replied with
insightful comment. “The Ottoman State is pregnant with Europe, and it
will give birth to a European state one day. And Europe is pregnant with
Islam; one day it will give birth to an Islamic state (Tarihe-i Hayat,
shf. 45).

In his early writing he explained, “Europe and America are pregnant with
Islam. One day, they will give birth to an Islamic state. Just as the
Ottomans were pregnant with Europe and gave birth to a European state.” He
addressed his followers and those who would come, “O my brothers who are
here in the Umayyad Mosque and those who are in the mosque of the world of
Islam half a century later! to foretell of a worldwide Islamic empire.

He forecast that it is only Islam that will provide true moral and
spiritual rule in the future and only Islam that will lead those under its
State to happiness in this world and the next. He believed that true
Christianity, stripping off superstition and corrupted belief, would be
transformed into Islam; following the Qur’an, it would unite with Islam
(Hutbe-i Samiye, 19-28.) Saidi Kurdi argued that Islam’s progress and
supremacy in the future would prevail, because European civilization is
founded on the negative virtues of “lust and passion, rivalry and
oppression,” rather than on virtue and guidance, as he believed Islam is.
Secular Europe has cast off its Judeo-Christian values and the culture
derived from them leaving a moral vacuum for Islam to rush in. Researchers
studying Europe today note that church attendance has dropped and, for
example in France, is at approximately five percent. As one cardinal
noted, Europe has become a pagan continent. It is this secular paganism
that has created the void.

Saidi Kurdi questioned his followers, “How is it that while there are such
powerful and unshakable ways and means for the material and moral progress
for the believers and people of Islam, and the road to future happiness
has been opened up like a railway, you despair and fall into hopelessness
in the face of the future and destroy the morale of the Islamic world?….
Since the inclination to seek perfection has been included in man’s
essential nature, in the future truth and equity will show the way to a
worldly happiness in the world of Islam, God willing, in which there will
be atonement for the former errors of mankind (Hutbe-i Samiye, 28-32.) He
asked them how they could be losing hope with such a potential for
expansion.

In considering the expansion of his movement, Saidi Kurdi noticed that one
of the sicknesses that had entered heart of the world of Islam was
despair. In his interpretation of Said Nursi’s writings, Fethullah Gulen,
a Turkish Islamic spiritual leader of a worldwide movement today, remarks:
“He says that it was despair that had destroyed the morale of Muslims, so
that the Europeans had been able to dominate them and make them their
captives for the preceding four hundred years. And it was despair that had
killed their high morality, and caused them to abandon the public good for
personal benefit. And despair had even caused them to use the indifference
and despondence of others as an excuse for their own laziness, and to
abandon the courageousness of belief, and neglect their Islamic duties. He
says that despair is the quality and pretext of cowards, the base, and the
impotent. It cannot be the quality of the Arabs in particular, who are
famous for their tenacity (Hutbe-i Samiye,
37-9).

Setting aside Saidi Kurdi’s Kurdishness, his successors capitalized on his
Islamic theology and presented him as Said Nursi in his writings and in
his reputation. Instead of remaining in a post-Ottoman despair, Saidi
Kurdis followers were encouraged to spread Islam diligently, particularly
through education. Said Nursi tells a parable of his movement: When Saidi
Kurdi was on his way from Batum to Van he claimed that, “the future shall
be Islam’s and Islam alone.” In Tbilisi, today the capital of Georgia,
Saidi Kurdi climbed the hill known as Shaykh Sanan Tepesi, which views the
city of Tbilisi and valley of the river of Kura. When a Russian policeman
approached him, the policeman asked him, “Why are you studying the land
with such attention, Saidi Kurd?” Saidi Kurdi replied: “I am planning my
medrese,” and the conversation went on as follows:

Where are you from?
I’m from Bedlîs
But this is Tbilisi!
Bedlîs is one of Tbilisi.

The policeman was bewildered:
What do you mean?

Saidi Kurdi explained that three lights are beginning to be revealed one
after the other in Asia and in the world of Islam. Three layers of
darkness will start to recede, [ meaning that the Caucasian and Central
Asian countries would become independent and take on Islam.]

This only increased the policemans bewilderment. I’m sorry for you he
said. I’m astonished that you should entertain such a hope. And I am
astonished at your lack of understanding! replied Bediuzzaman. Do you
think it possible that this winter will continue? Every winter is followed
by spring, and every night by day. But the Islamic world is all broken up
and fragmented. They have gone to study. It is like this: India is an able
son of Islam; it is studying in the high school of the British. Egypt is a
clever son of Islam; it is taking lessons in the British school for civil
servants. Caucasia and Turkestan are two valiant sons of Islam; they are
training in the Russian war academy. And so on. You see, after these noble
sons of Islam have received their diplomas, each will lead a continent,
and, waving the banner of Islam, their just and mighty father, on the
horizons of perfection, will proclaim the mystery of pre-eternal wisdom
inherent in mankind in the view of pre-eternal divine determining and in
the face of obstinate fate (Said Nursi. Kastamonu Lahikasi, 121-32).

Although written several decades ago, this narrative clearly sets forth
the goals as well as the strategy of the Nur movement. Taking this
prophecy to heart, Fethullah Gulen, the leader of the Fetullahci world
wide educational system, Interfaith Dialogues, and the Rumi Organization,
has raised up an army of young Islamists armed with a good education and
the code of secrecy and unwavering allegiance to him, to go as
missionaries to spread Islam and in so doing ensure the birth of Islam in
Europe, and then in the United States. These youth are today’s noble sons
who have waved the banner of Islam to bring about the obstinate fate of a
global Islamic movement. Fethullah seemingly offers an alternative voice
to radical Islam but behind the guise of tolerance and ecumenicalism lies
Said Nursi’s injunction to bring about a European Islamic polity.

Gulen encourages his followers to leave their Islamic country to spread
Islam and economically to be independent of the western countries. By
infiltrating the most prestigious universities in Europe and in the United
States, among other regions, they can gain not only an excellent education
but through that means gain access to power, influence, and wealth.
Receiving major scholarships, grants, and influential academic positions
from teaching assistants to chairs of departments, they have made great
inroads to influence the minds of the youth from the classroom lecture to
the numerous articles in scholarly journals and leading newspapers.

Writing as supposed secular academicians, journalists, and independent
players, they critique Islam and its tenets with seeming objectivity,
while advancing their message in each seminar, symposium, article, or
cultural event. A concerted effort to orchestrate Saidi Kurdi’s goals
underlies the movements today. The success of this orchestration in Europe
results from Saidi Kurdi’s oath to teach the Quran, so that it became the
religious, social, and political foundation for a worldwide empire.
Believing that the task of
Muslims was to spread the revelation of the Quran until the entire world
accepted it, he applied this mission to Europe. Saidi Kurdi pledged to
conquer through the Quran.

One time an Ottoman Pasha showed him an article about Islam in a London
newspaper. It argued that as long as the Muslims had the Quran in their
hands, they [the Europeans] could not colonize them [the Muslims]. It
proposed, “We needed to take the Quran away from the Muslims, and then we
can colonize them.” Today Muslims
believe that once Muslims get away from the Quran, they will become
inferior to non- Muslims; also, they believe that Islam will otherwise not
be defeated but will instead prevail. From then on Saidi Kurdi believed
their strength lay in the Quran and took an oath that he would prove to
the world that the Quran is like a sun and would not disappear but would
instead shine forever.

As of April 2005, the CIA Factbook categorizes the religious affiliations
in Germany as 34% Protestants, 34% Catholic, 3.7% Muslim and 28.3%
unaffiliated, but many of those labeled Protestant or Catholic are nominal
while most of the Muslim hold to their faith in part because of their
immigration to a host country. Approximately 3.4% of the population in
Germany is Turkish. Other variables are the 0% population growth rate and
the 2.18 per 1000 immigration rate. Indigenous Germans are having fewer
children while immigrants are having many. Today, Germany has 2600
mosques, in England there are 900 mosques and many Islamic schools, and in
France almost every city has at least one mosque (Yeni Asya newspaper 3
Nov. 2005). Clearly, Europe has a tremendously growing Muslim population.

According to the German Federal Foreign Office, there are about 3.2
million Muslims from forty-one different countries with Turks and Kurds
being the most represented group. They came forty years ago trying to get
the jobs that the Germans did not want like Mexicans today in the United
States. Leaving much of the hard labor for immigrants, Germany allocates
this work to the Turks today, but they have dominated almost all of the
textile industry in Germany and have an Islamic bank, schools, and even a
voice in politics. The Islamic scholar Fethullah Gulen encouraged his
follower to go to Europe to spread Islam and to prove that Saidi Kurdi was
right.

Fethullah Glen believes that the Islamic nation would begin with the
German people. He claims that if Muslims are to be successful, first they
have to be independent of Europe economically, and then be superior
economically and socially. He argues that they cannot be a super nation if
they are still begging from Europe or from the infidels (Fasildan Fasila
3). Muslims in Turkey advocate Turkey’s accession to the European Union
more than secular people in Turkey for several reasons. First, Muslims
will freely increase their missionary activity in Europe. Secondly, they
will not have any pressure from the Turkish military, a long-term check on
Islamic activities, because the role of the military will decrease.
Thirdly, the unsolved problems, such as wearing the headscarf, will be
solved because the EU’s value of freedom of religion will overcome the
threat to secularism that the scarves pose today. If we look at the AK
Party, Erdogan is following exactly the same line that Fethullah Gulen is
using, pressing Turkey to join the European Union. He uses a secular cloak
to disguise his fundamental Islamic spirit characterized by his pre-prison
poem.

In an article in the Cumhuriyet newspaper, Ahmet Arpad claims that since
September 11 Muslim organizations have conquered Germany. He explains that
they took advantage of the lacuna of Islam in the West; they know how to
use this advantage by infiltrating into intellectual circles, churches,
liberal organizations, and other institutions to present a different face
of Islam by using Interfaith Dialogue. In the early 90s, Fethullah sent
young businessman and students to Germany to open schools and to start
businesses. The schools were mostly the elementary level; education was
free and very successful. Arpad says that Gulen’s followers were never
associated with him. He admits, “If you try to associate them with any
kind of religious organization, they threaten you by suing you. This is
their kind of trick to counter the charges. Fethullah has spent an
enormous amount of unaccounted Euros, but still leaders in the schools
deny that they are associated with him” (Cumhuriyet 13 Mar. 2005).

Also, the data presented in an article in Ozgur Politika, notes that
Fethullah Gulen’s aim is to start a new Islamic university in Germany
besides the high schools, elementary schools, and preschools. He has sent
hundreds students overseas to get their Masters and Doctorates in Germany.
According to the Ozgur Politika newspaper, Fethullah has sent 500 students
to the U.S. since 2001 to get Ph.D.s and Masters degrees (Ozgur Politika
29 Jan. 2001). This estimate is very conservative. In addition, most of
those students are getting funds or scholarship from the U.S government.

The noted Middle Eastern historian from Princeton University, Bernard
Lewis, ignited the European world when he commented on July 28, 2004, to
the conservative Hamburg-based daily Die Welt that Europe would be Islamic
by the end of this century “at the very latest” (Qtd. in Caldwell 1).
Agreeing with Lewis, a Syrian immigrant and prominent Muslim in Germany,
Bassam Tibi, refined the opinion in Welt am Sonntag, “Either Islam gets
Europeanized, or Europe gets Islamized.” He believes that Europe cannot
defend itself against Islam nor steer its direction, but merely can chose
between two forms: “The problem is not whether the majority of Europeans
is Islamic,” he added, “but rather which Islam–sharia Islam or
Euro-Islam–is to dominate in Europe” (Qtd. in Caldwell).

Many Muslims recognize Said Nursi for his religious leadership rather than
for his Kurdishness. Said Nursi even offered a solution for the Kurdish
question to the Ottoman sultan, but the sultan rejected it. Said Nursi
wrote a letter to Sultan Abuldulhamid, proposing a solution by suggesting
that he open a university in Wan, in Northern Kurdistan (southeastern
Turkey), and suggested that the language should be in Turkish, Kurdish,
and Arabic because the majority of people who live in Wan are Kurds;
Arabic was the language used for religion, and Turkish was the language of
government affairs, but the Sultan failed to understand Mullah Saidi.
Today the Turkish government seems to be returning to his solution, but
whether these initiatives are motivated by Muslims in the current
administration who understand Saidi Nursi’s ideology or by the pressure of
the European Unions criteria remains unanswered. Even though there is no
such Kurdish language in academia in Turkey yet, in the near future the
recommendations of Said Nursi will be implemented.

Said Nursi gained his reputation, not for his Kurdish identity, but for
his Islamic writings and for his message of spreading Islam over the
world, so that first Europe and then the United States would give birth to
Islamic nations that would merge into a transnational empire in the
future. His prediction from 1908 is becoming a reality with thirty million
Muslims living in Europe, with Islamic websites linked to the official
national homepages of, for example, Germany’s Federal Foreign Office, and
with Fethullah Gulen’s Abant Journalists and Writers Foundation advocating
the accession of Turkey into the EU at the European Parliament meeting in
Brussels. Europe is close to delivering an Islamic nation.

Works cited

Arpad, Ahmet. Fethullahcilar Almanya’da emin adimlarla… Cumhuriyet 13
Mar. 2005

Germany. CIA Factbook. Apr. 2005.

Christopher Caldwell. Islamic Europe? The Weekly Standard. 10.4

From the 4th Oct. 2004 article, When Bernard Lewis Speaks. (4 Oct. 2004).

CIA World Factbook. Apr. 2005.

Federal Foreign Office.

Gulen Almanya’da Universite Kuruyor. Ozgur Politika. 29 Jan. 2001.

Gulen, Fethullah. Fasildan Fasila 3 .

Saidi Kurdi. Hutbe-i Samiye, 28-32.

—. Kastamonu Lahikasi, 121-32

—. Tari.he-i Hayat, shf. 45.

Yeni Asya, 3 Nov. 2005.

Aland Mizell,
University Of Texas at Dallas
School of Social Science

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] US MA: Edu: Harvard in the Sky With Diamonds
Date: March 11, 2006 at 6:23:22 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

an lsd scare story? This is yet one more sign, I think, that lsd is coming back around again. Someone is producing it again, as I recently was handed a single blotter that was REAL, and even saw a handful of bottles of liquid lsd (yeah, I know, bottles plural- it was a LOT of lsd I was looking at, but the person who had it is no longer contactable, so if the feds are reading this, I don’t know where the person is nor their name- ok?) about 5 months ago now, though I only got a fairly weak sugar cube handed to me out of that batch. Still, this means, to my limited view, that lsd is at the very least back in view again after a pretty long drought.
Good.
Despite this scare story outta harvard.
Peace and love.

—–
“Unless your past perishes, you are doomed.
Do you know that?
Your future must differ from your past.
The future must always differ from the past.”
Sophia, in “Valis”- Philp K. Dick

Peace and love,
Preston
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Columnist New York Waste
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—– Original Message —– From: “Richard Lake” <rlake@mapinc.org>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:22 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] US MA: Edu: Harvard in the Sky With Diamonds

Newshawk: allan
Pubdate: Thu, 09 Mar 2006
Source: Harvard Independent (MA Edu)
Page: Cover Article
Copyright: 2006 The Harvard Independent, Inc.
Contact: ekman@fas.harvard.edu
Website: http://www.harvardindependent.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/3984
Authors: Shane Wilson and Jon Liu
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/LSD (LSD)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hallucinogens.htm (Hallucinogens)

HARVARD IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS

Of veritas and LSD.

When news broke a fortnight ago that two undergraduates had been arrested in connection with a nude, acid-fueled spectacle in the corridors of Quincy House’s C-entry, one could have been forgiven for checking the calendar. Yes, it was 2006, not 1966 — yet once again, the banks of the Charles were playing host to psychedelic excess.

Thirty-eight hits’ worth of excess, to be precise — the number that the Harvard University Police Department (HUPD) allegedly found in the room of Soren J. Siebach ’08, as first reported in a February 25 article on the Crimson’s website. The other arrestee, whom HUPD has not yet named, was hospitalized for drug treatment after assaulting two officers; naked and “acting in an aggressive and threatening manner,” in the words of police logs, he initially eluded capture because his skin was too sweaty to seize.

Siebach, a Utah native, came to college with a perfect ACT score and an avowed interest in “disco skating,” according to his high-school newspaper. Now he faces a mandatory minimum sentence of two years’ imprisonment, thanks to Massachusetts school-zone provisions. (Quincy House is across the street from the Radcliffe Child Care Center, a “private accredited preschool” under the law.)

Siebach’s cohort will face arraignment next week on one count of marijuana possession and two counts of assault and battery against a police officer, said HUPD spokesperson Steven G. Catalano. The former charge has a maximum sentence of six months; the latter, two and a half years.

The incident came as a surprise, wrote Quincy C resident Kevin J. Feeney ’08 in an e-mail. “A lot of people are confused about what did happen that night, and I suppose worried about what will happen.” Nonetheless, Feeney said, “the talk has stayed relatively quiet. Nothing on the open list, no official statement.” He described the Quincy community overall as “sympathetic toward everyone involved. We haven’t gone Salem, yet.”

Catalano, the HUPD spokesperson, characterized the incident as unusual —  especially in light of the hallucinogen involved. “We weren’t necessarily surprised,” he said, “but it was something new. Most of our drug arrests involve marijuana.” He could not recall another specific LSD-related arrest from his six years with the Department.

In all likelihood, Catalano said, the event does not signal a resurgence of LSD use at Harvard — though one wonders who was on the receiving end of Siebach’s alleged “intent to distribute” the 38 hits. Regardless, the Quincy House sideshow represents just the latest chapter in Harvard’s long and storied history with D-lysergic acid diethylamide — a history that has seen the hallucinogen flirting with both sides of the countercultural divide.

American Pioneers

Today, the Massachusetts Mental Health Center, described on its website as “a unique collaboration between the Massachusetts Department of Health and Harvard Medical School,” serves as a premier teaching hospital for psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental-health professionals. In a less genteel time, however, the Harvard-affiliated Center was called the Boston Psychopathic Hospital — and in 1949, it witnessed the American arrival of a European immigrant: LSD.

Six years earlier, the Swiss scientist Albert Hoffman had discovered first-hand the hallucinogenic powers of the compound, which he had originally synthesized in 1938. But according to John D. Marks’ 1979 book The Search for the “Manchurian Candidate” (Time Books), Hoffman’s substance received little attention in the States until a Viennese psychiatry professor named Otto Kauders extolled its virtues at a conference held at Boston Psychopathic. Kauders, described in an Associated Press obituary as “internationally known,” suggested that the schizophrenia-like state that LSD seemed to induce might come in handy for researchers; if they could find an antidote to the drug, they might also find the cure for a range of mental illnesses. Fascinated by Kauders’ ideas, the neuropsychiatrist Max Rinkel, a German emigre working for Boston Psychopathic’s Department of Research, requested a sample of LSD from a Swiss pharmaceutical company.

Robert W. Hyde, the hospital’s assistant superintendent, volunteered to serve as the guinea pig. Rinkel later described Hyde’s first foray into psychedelia at a neuropharmacology conference in Princeton. After downing 100 micrograms of LSD, Rinkel said, Hyde “became quite paranoid, saying that we had not given him anything. He also berated us and said that the company had cheated us…That was not Dr. Hyde’s normal behavior; he is a very friendly, pleasant man.” To be sure, Hyde’s transformation blew no minds, and his drug-addled persona, however abrasive, paled in comparison to that of his literary namesake. Even so, his was the first documented “trip” in American history — organized and funded, at least in part, by the Harvard Medical School.

In another early test case described by Rinkel, he and a Massachusetts General Hospital psychiatrist “were very fortunate in having an outstanding contemporary American painter volunteer for an experiment with LSD.” The volunteer was Hyman Bloom, a then prominent Boston artist who had studied under Denman W. Ross, a Harvard professor emeritus. Not only were Bloom’s LSD-loosened words recorded for science; he also translated his experience into a series of pencil drawings. The scribbles charted Bloom’s hallucinatory descent. Two hours into the experiment, Rinkel said, Bloom wrote “Hindu religion” in the upper corner of a piece of paper; “in the lower part he drew monsters, commenting: ‘This face comes out like a cat-like face.'” At times, he was reduced to “making dots and dashes”; at other times, he managed to sketch out a picture of “a butchered beef or ox” that he later sold to a private collector. Seeking the opinion of an expert critic, Rinkel turned to Wilhelm R. W. Koehler, the William Dorr Boardman Professor Emeritus of Fine Arts at Harvard. What Koehler said is unknown, but with or without his approbation the Fogg Art Museum eventually acquired over 60 of Bloom’s works, thanks in part to donations from his old mentor, Professor Ross.

In 1966, Bloom spoke to the New York Times about his path-breaking trip, calling it “really a great experience.” “On the other hand,” he said, “it was more difficult to draw.”

With Rinkel’s help, the heavily Harvard-connected Bloom had become one of the first people ever to combine art with LSD; he would not be the last. Yet while Bloom and Rinkel led the way in creative and aesthetic uses of the drug, Rinkel’s colleagues at Boston Psychopathic — and in particular ur-tripper Robert W. Hyde — were steering the hallucinogen in much more sinister directions.

Central Intelligence

It is not clear precisely how or when it happened, but perhaps as early as 1952 Boston Psychopathic had become ground zero for Project MKULTRA. Described in a 1977 New York Times article as “a secret, 25-year, $25-million effort by the Central Intelligence Agency to learn how to control the human mind,” the project sought to counter potential Soviet brainwashing by developing its own techniques for manipulating and programming behavior — techniques that sometimes involved hallucinogenic drugs. “The most fascinating thing about [LSD],” an anonymous former MKULTRA official told author John Marks in 1979, “was that such minute quantities had such a terrific effect.” But precisely what “effect” LSD had was still poorly understood. By funneling money to academics through a number of private foundations and front groups, the CIA aimed to find out exactly what the drug could do.

And Dr. Hyde aimed to help. Officially, only he and his immediate superior — hospital superintendent, Harvard Medical School graduate, and Harvard Medical School psychiatry professor Harry C. Solomon — knew where the money for the hospital’s LSD program — some $286,000 spread across nine years — really came from. Unofficially, other high-level researchers could not be so easily hoodwinked; one, Dr. J. Herbert DeShon, told Marks that his colleagues were aware of the intelligence agency’s role but “agreed not to discuss it.”

Supported by CIA largesse, Hyde and a handful of collaborators — including a fellow Medical School professor and a future Bureau of Study Counsel director — undertook basic LSD research, publishing a series of journal articles that meticulously investigated the effects of the drug on experimental subjects. In flat, academic prose, the articles’ abstracts paint a lurid picture of what the project entailed. A 1952 study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry and co-authored by Hyde, Rinkel, DeShon, and Solomon outlined “the effect of [LSD]…upon normal male and female individuals, who responded to the administration of this drug with a psychotic-schizophrenic like reaction. Disturbances of thought and speech, affect and mood, perception, depersonalization, behavior, and intellect are reported.” A 1957 study entitled “Experimentally Induced Depersonalization” claimed to catalogue “569 distortions” induced in 48 subjects dosed with LSD; “these are classified as changes of self, of others, of objects and physical environment, and of general thought processes…Persons with strong positive or negative feelings are especially exposed to depersonalization experiences.”

Such responses, however intriguing or frightening, remained vague and difficult to measure. Hyde pressed on with more experiments, examining as many as 100 subjects at a time in ever sharper physiological and psychological detail. According to a 1994 Boston Globe investigation, these subjects included Harvard and Radcliffe students — enticed by the $25 offered in exchange for participation — along with hospital staff members and mentally ill patients, many of whom did not or could not give informed consent by today’s standards. In later years, students might well have leaped at the opportunity to get paid for taking the drug, but according to the Globe, Boston Psychopathic’s subjects typically did not understand what they were getting themselves into when they “volunteered.” They knew they would participate in a drug study; they did know that LSD was the drug in question. Even if they had, LSD was still obscure in the ’50s and early ’60s. Only medical professionals had a good idea of what the substance could do — and at Boston Psychopathic, they kept their mouths shut for the sake of the project.

Despite the efforts of Hyde and his colleagues, however, the secret of “mind control” continued to elude MKULTRA. Ideally, Boston Psychopathic’s public research was supposed to yield covert applications: “in effect,” wrote Marks, “the scientists would write openly about how LSD affects a patient’s pulse rate, but they would tell only the CIA how the drug could be used to ruin that patient’s marriage or memory.” But while LSD did sometimes render people extremely suggestible or otherwise vulnerable, its effects were so contingent, so unstable, that it made for an unreliable truth serum or brainwashing agent. By 1961, the Harvard-affiliated hospital’s CIA-funded drug research came to a close. For at least one of its subjects, however, the story did not end there. The Globe uncovered a 1981 letter written by a student — alma mater unknown — who took part in an LSD test in 1955. Devastated by the experience, he dropped out of school and meandered around the globe for more than two decades, lost and alone.

“A New Race of Mutants”?

Far better known than Harvard’s complicity in clandestine intelligence research is its relationship with the late counterculture icon Timothy Leary. Leary, a lecturer in clinical psychology, joined forces with Richard Alpert, an assistant professor in the same field, to explore the mind-expanding powers of hallucinogenic drugs — first psilocybin (the substance that makes “magic” mushrooms magic), then LSD.

Colleagues at the Center for Personality Research attacked Leary and Alpert for their unscientific methodology, which consisted chiefly of giving people drugs and seeing what happened. Herbert C. Kelman, then a lecturer on social psychology and now the Richard Clarke Cabot Professor Emeritus of Social Ethics, denounced Leary and Alpert as “nonchalant” and “anti-intellectual,” according to a March 15, 1962, article in the Crimson (prior to the founding of the Independent). The rogue researchers placed an inappropriate “emphasis…on pure experience, not on verbalizing findings,” Kelman reportedly said. “It is an attempt to reject most of what the psychologist tries to do.”

The Harvard Corporation agreed, dismissing both Alpert and Leary in 1963. By 1967, Alpert had traveled to India, taken up yoga, and renamed himself Ram Dass (“servant of God”). By 1970, Leary had been convicted of marijuana possession twice and had been broken out of jail once, thanks to the radical group known as the Weather Underground. At least the former faculty members were keeping themselves busy.

But by the time Harvard expelled Alpert and Leary, it was already too late: the lysergic genie was out of the blotter. A breathless Crimson story in 1962 “revealed that sugar cubes impregnated with LSD have been sold in the Square.” In 1963, a columnist for the newspaper called Cambridge “the Drug Capital of the East Coast — at least for your better class of compounds.” And in 1967, John U. Monro, then the Dean of the College, took the unusual step of informing the Class of 1970 in a sternly worded letter that, “as anyone bright enough to be at Harvard knows perfectly well, possession or distribution of marijuana and L.S.D. are strictly against the law.” Added Monro, “if a student is stupid enough to misuse his time here fooling around with illegal and dangerous drugs, our view is that he should leave the college.” Even Timothy Leary was (briefly) worried: in 1966, he suggested that “LSD may be creating a new race of mutants,” according to an April 23 Crimson report.

But how many students actually used LSD? How populous was Leary’s “new race”? Roland J. Cole ’70, a co-founder and former vice president of the Independent, said that fewer students may have been “tripping” than many imagined. “LSD, in particular, was a new drug, so it got more attention than existing drugs, even though I suspect actual use of it by Harvard and Radcliffe students was never very widespread,” wrote Cole in an e-mail. Taking LSD, Cole suggested, became charged with significance at a time when “political and social efforts ‘to do something different’ [and] ‘to look at the world in new ways'” consumed the campus. Tripping “could be seen as a symbol” more than a common pastime, said Cole.

A former Independent editor from the Class of 1973 offered a different account from a slightly later period. The former editor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, wrote in an e-mail that “the early ’70s saw a remarkable confluence of drugs, sex, and rock and roll…Psychedelics were certainly to be found in the dorm rooms of adherents to the Tim Leary/Ram Dass school of profound spiritual exploration as well as the more bacchanalian Ken Kesey/Grateful Dead school.” But the “bacchanalian” revelry might have had its costs, the source said. “Most people survived their experimentations; sadly, rumors suggested a few did not.” No one said being a mutant would be easy.

Records and Wreckage

However much LSD was actually ingested by Harvard’s student body during the late ’60s and early ’70s, a not inconsiderable fraction of it wound up in the bloodstream of James Toback ’66. Toback, the director behind such movies as Two Girls and a Guy, Black and White, and most recently, When Will I Be Loved, claims to have taken the largest recorded dose of LSD in history — 100,000 micrograms — while he was an undergraduate here. Unlike some of his peers, Toback lived to tell the tale; he even set it to celluloid in his semiautobiographical 2001 film Harvard Man, which starred Adrian Grenier opposite Sarah Michelle Gellar as a brooding Crimson basketball player who drops acid and learns the true meaning of madness. In a telephone interview, Toback discussed the experiences that inspired the scene.

“No one knew what [LSD] could do,” Toback said. “Few people knew about it. But [Aldous] Huxley, Alan Watts, the Tibetan Book of the Dead: these books were floating around — all of which made you want to try it.” (Huxley, the well-known author of Brave New World, and Watts, a philosopher with a strong interest in Eastern religions, both made public their use of psychedelic drugs in the ’60s. The Tibetan Book of the Dead, an ancient Buddhist text, was sometimes used a “guidebook” for acid trips.)

“I was definitely looking at [LSD] as a potential God connection,” Toback said. “People were talking about it in religious terms.” Curious about the mysterious substance, he managed to obtain it from a friend who had just returned from Switzerland, home to the pharmaceutical company from which the Boston Psychopathic Hospital had also purchased its LSD supply. When his friend went through Swiss customs, Toback said, an officer asked him to identify his hallucinogen-soaked sugar cubes. Told that they were LSD, the officer was elated and asked to try out a cube himself. “I’m not sure what happened to him,” Toback said.

Once he had his hands on the drug, Toback immediately slid into excess. “I took this massive dose,” he said. “It was nine hours of total bliss followed by eight days of indescribable catastrophe — physically, emotionally, and every other way.” Tripping intensely but enjoyably, he encountered a classmate, a swimmer from Arizona, who had himself done LSD once, albeit a much smaller dose. “I told him that Earth was the insane asylum of the universe. ‘Don’t you agree? Isn’t it [LSD] the answer?'” But the swimmer demurred. Toback grew anxious. He asked the swimmer how long his intoxication was supposed to last. The answer —  “Sometimes it never ends” — shattered Toback’s “bliss” in an instant.

“My self had been disintegrated,” he said. “I realized I was just an artificial construction. It’s like when you’re three years old — your brain hasn’t formulated a self yet.” Behaving erratically, succumbing to madness, wandering the streets of Cambridge for eight days, Toback came close to the breaking point. “If I knew that by killing myself I could end this feeling,” he said, “I would blow my brains out” — words that went through his mind at the time and that he later gave to Adrian Grenier’s character in Harvard Man.

But Toback didn’t blow his brains out. Instead, someone came to his rescue — Max Rinkel, the researcher from Boston Psychopathic who first brought LSD to the States. “Rinkel saved my life,” Toback said. “My mother called around and spoke to an internist who found out that [Rinkel] was one of originators of LSD.” Miraculously, he still lived in the area and was willing to administer an antidote to the ailing Toback. “No one else would have done it,” Toback said. “There was a fair chance I would die from the antidote.” Rinkel succeeded, however, and Toback recovered.

He never did drugs again.

For Toback, LSD served as an agent of what he called “transcendental education.” “The absolute benefit you get” from the drug, he said, “is that you’re completely fearless in the face of death afterwards.” Shuffling off the mortal coil, however bad it might be, could never outdo the horror of eight days of tripping.

Perhaps, then, the unnamed undergraduate who ran naked through Quincy House will be able to soldier on through his ordeal, even as his identity stands revealed and his future falls into the hands of the criminal justice system. Perhaps LSD has liberated from petty concerns.

More likely, however, he’s terrified. Who wouldn’t be? Like Miniver Cheevy, it seems, the student was born too late. At Harvard in the ’50s, he would have been a valuable test subject; in the ’60s, he would have been a subversive hero. Today, alas, he is nothing but a curiosity — the last desperate champion of a mutant race.

[sidebar]

LSD SIDEBAR: THE FACTS, THE FEELINGS

‘Enveloped by All of Nature’

By Jon Liu

Few drugs carry the lifelong stigma — perhaps literally, given what the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV calls the Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder — attached to lysergic acid diethylamide. As youthful substance abuse increasingly shifts from the recreational to the utilitarian — marijuana and mushrooms replaced by Adderall and Ritalin — what place is left for future “intensified colors, trailing images, perceptions of entire objects, afterimages, halos around objects, macropsia, and micropsia”?

A Rye-Bred Escape From a White-Bread World

In 1976, psychologist Linnda R. Carporael proposed a novel explanation for the Salem Witch Trials: ergotism. Ergot is a toxic fungus commonly found on rye grain; might the witches of Salem — victims of misogyny and superstition, yes — have also scarfed down some particularly nasty bread? Carporael’s five-page article in Science was audacious, and a bit kooky. “Convulsive ergotism,” she wrote, “is characterized by a number of symptoms. These include crawling sensations in the skin, tingling in the fingers, vertigo, tinnitus aurium, headaches, disturbances in sensation, hallucination… All…are alluded to in the Salem witchcraft records.”

Ergo, ergot poisoning made Salem’s nice little girls into witches. The ’70s may have made this conceivable, even believable. The psychoactive ingredient in ergot, you see, is ergotamine, which, through hydrolysis, becomes the salt ergotamine tartrate, a lysergic-acid derivative that is, in turn, relatively easily transformed into LSD itself. Give your average second-year pre-med student the proper grounding in orgo, some batches of contaminated rye, and access to Google, and, if all goes well and all explosions are averted, she’ll be either a felon or a tycoon in less than half a week. Or online telling her tale.

Consider the “Share Your Experiences” section of , which appears half support group, half forum for experimental poetry, and half cracked-AARP reminiscence zone (it seems fair to assume that regular LSD users experience at least 1.5 times more reality than the rest of us).

Jack from India: “it was in goa…..saw plants turn into animals…..wierd faces in the sea….lots of colors all around….had a gr8 time.” Sunrise from England: “first time 4 purple ohms, 27th october 1989, remember gold rain falling from the street lights, hands shimmering with colour, willow tree danceing with rainbow branches, on the horizon purple and gold stars twinkling, mosaic patterns on the walls, could go on.” Jimmy from a location unknown: “i saw me…… i looked me in the eyes…”

Whether staring at oneself in the eyes is a net positive or negative seems impossible to answer without further research. It seems hard to argue, however, with the profundity, if not the desirability, of some of Liquid Sound Design’s more narratively coherent testimonials. “I took 2 Jerry Garcia’s and a hit of E,” writes a user from Oregon. “It was like day shifting to night and back really fast in my room. Then things divided up into segments of reality, where everything that existed was seperate from everything else. It looked like a comic book with one depth level and lines cutting out shapes of everything. We went to a tree. My friends told me not to stay from the tree, which I interpreted in many ways. Someone said the leaves looked like slugs, and then everywhere there were slithering slugs. I wasn’t scared, just fascinated.”

If the bright orange pages of Liquid Sound Design seem to signify a typically inchoate Internet — and drug — society, Erowid.org might be its antithesis, and perhaps the end of drug culture as such. Looking at its LSD page — a meticulously organized list of histories, warnings, and linked scientific studies — one can’t help but feel a twinge of epochal despair. Has Gen-Y succeeded in rationalizing and disenchanting even drug use?

Even the testimonials are long and studied. In a college admissions essay of a piece titled “Why I’m Never Touching LSD,” a teenager tells a strangely Kafkaesque tale: “Then K and her parents ran upstairs…right through me. ‘Oh Shit’, I thought ‘I was dead.’ I ran after them and saw my own body on the ground completely still. Then I realized that I hadn’t been breathing and had no pulse the entire time I was downstairs.”

Sadder still is the melancholia of A: “[By 1985] I had bought a condominium, and was working. I began to realise that I really couldn’t do this anymore. My life was no longer free and uncomplicated. When I would try to trip, I would find myself becoming bogged down with worrisome thoughts… such as getting the bills payed, making sure I did my tasks at work, suddenly there was just too much responsibility…”

The title of A’s Erowid piece? “Enveloped By All of Nature, then I Joined the Rat Race.”

The Comedown

Anecdotally at least, it seems that even some of today’s most drug-prone Harvardians have decided that the negative consequences of acid, disciplinary and psychological, may not be worth the positive.

A junior studying in the humanities told the Indy that he tried LSD twice in high school but wouldn’t do it again. “It made me have paranoid hallucinations both times,” he said, “and the second time lasted for a very long time and was totally unpleasant.” Anyway, he reasoned, acid is “not as good as mushrooms [because it’s] not euphoric” and “not as good as stimulants or sedatives because LSD doesn’t really make you feel good by messing with those parts of your chemistry.” Ultimately, the junior concluded, “Drugs that mess with your cognition aren’t fun; drugs that mess with your mood are great.”

As for Soren Siebach, LSD has nonetheless quite likely messed with his mood. In an e-mail to the Indy, he wrote that he left Sunday for his home in Utah, where he’ll have to hold down a full-time job for six months before the College will even consider letting him back. An official Harvard penalty will be set “only after all the criminal stuff is resolved.” Asked about the reaction of his friends and family, Siebach wrote back curtly, “My family has been as good as I could have hoped. I’ve told as few people about it as possible.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 11, 2006 at 5:35:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And all the self-denial – I’m not angry<

No, I still think you’re misunderstanding me, willfully or not. You call it liberating, I call it immature.
;-))
No, seriously, I don’t necessarily think it’s always immature to yell, because, as you note, you for example, do it in a “safe” setting.
I personally don’t feel liberated…well, that’s not actually true. For a couple of seconds I might feel liberated at having given in to the “anger” by yelling, but as noted Nick, it rarely if ever leaves things “better,” and that’s got nothing to do with my mind’s conditioning- it has to do with feel good about myself, and giving in to tempertantrum Never ever feels good to me. I feel weak and pathetic if I give in to yelling (and don’t worry, I won’t be having kids either, to whomever it was who kindly and wisely suggested that).
As noted, I prefer to channel my anger in creative ways- which doesn’t mean I don’t feel angry and let it show- I just prefer to let it show in ways that leave something behind beyond bad feelings and disappointment. It’s kinda like getting myself pierced. I know bands (more than one) who do piercings on folk in the audience during their acts, but they are “play” piercings, and they don’t leave anything behind in the piercing besides blood and pain. Why go through that if I’m not going to have a cool nifty shiny ring hanging in that hole when I’m finished with the pain? Same for my anger issues- I’d prefer a neato painting or cool story after, even drenched in scary, angry, bloody imagery. It has NOTHING to do with NOT getting angry, but since I don’t live in a TC (thank Preston), I chose to react to my anger differently.
To those around me, who aren’t living in a situation where they’ve willingly said, “Ok, I live in this TC where people yell,” it’s abusive to those around me, a scare tactic and even oppresive (believe me, I’ve heard these terms after blowing up and yelling at someone, more than once). As a means of communication OUTSIDE a “safe” TC environment, it sucks Nick. I like to consider myself a communicator, so I am always trying to build up my communication skills, not the volume of my yelling.
But you live in a society where you accept yelling as a “norm” and as I’ve written a number of time, that’s cool with me Nick. Butt, and a great big butt, I don’t take kindly to yelling directed at ME and never will- hence my aversion to your TC ideas.
And I must say that after having done ibogaine numerous times, the idea of yelling at others is even less attractive, and has been less and less attractive to me each time I’ve taken it.
Peace and love and freedom to chose.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 10 March 2006 11:29
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

I don’t know guys, seems like there is a HUGE difference between being in
touch with my anger and taking out my frustration(s) on those
around me. I
have no trouble with anger, feeling it’s just one more of my
emotions that
does have a place and time, but I also feel that as a modern, thinking,
caring human being, I’m responsible for my actions and reactions, and
personally I don’t like being yelled at, so I try not to yell at others.
I’ve been at times in my life just as likely to pop someone in
the nose for
yelling at me as I am to walk away.
;-)))
So I’m making conscious effort to evolve and not give in to my baser
instincts, as those are the ones I usually give in to just before I screw
myself over in some royal way. Each time I give in to screaming,
I usually
feel like shit, thinking I should have been able to keep control
and not act
like a five year old. It has nothing to do with other people
“handling” my
shit- it ain’t their responsibility to handle my shit, ever, right? It’s
mine. I do not relate at all well to yelling, even though I
occasionaly do
succumb to the temptation to yell myself- which 99.999999999
percent of the
time leaves things worse than they were before I lost my temper
and yelled.
As Rachel noted, I myself prefer breaking shit to yelling
actually too, but
as she said, if the person I’m upset with thinks I’ve thrown the
book/iron/sharpimpliments/dishes/glasses/stereo/guitar/curtain/myp
ants/whateverisinmyhandorwithinreachatthatmoment
might think I’ve thrown it at THEM, which really, really leaves
things worse
than they were before I indulged in my temper tantrum.
Personally? If I subject other people to my shit without
their asking me
to, I’ve transgressed upon their space and their rights- but this
is just my
way of viewing things and I don’t always hold myself to the high
standards I
describe here. But I try to. Even with a shitload of anger inside me at
times- there are CREATIVE ways to get it out, that do me and
everyone else
much more good than my simply yelling and screaming. (Like
playing the blues
or anything at all for instance Randy?)
Again, this is JUST ME I’m describing. Maybe other people get
some good out
of screaming at others- Nick seems to feel it benefits him and
that’s cool
with me. Just please don’t ever scream at me or things might get ugly.
;-))
Peace and love.

 

“Don’t ever scream at me or things might get ugly” Preston, that is THE most
routine you hear in the group room from people who are terrified of going
into their anger. I mean time and time and time and time again. Really. It’s
the fear of the mind. What the fuck might happen if I really lose it? I
remember this happened before when I started to lose it, and this could have
happened, etc, etc. And it’s totally cool and understandable and OK but, in
a safe setting, being able to put out anger is THE most liberating thing
going. It’s totally expansive. Really. It’s freedom. The judgments of the
mind – anger is bad, bad, BAD. It’s just a fucking energy, it’s just
feelings moving, energy motion, e-motion, that’s all it is, but the mind is
conditioned to believe that it is just wrong. And then the fear comes in.
And then the whole trip is, whatever happens I mustn’t get angry. And then
all the defensive belief patterns and rationalizing – anger is unnecessary.
And all the self-denial – I’m not angry. And all the avoidance of certain
ways of being with people, of doing stuff – whatever happens I mustn’t get
angry. And all the drugs that blockade feeling, for a while. So many lives
become so fucking entangled in bullshit because people are conditioned into
believing they mustn’t get angry. And finally it goes into the body and all
the feelings back up and it’s cancer, or a stroke, energy can’t flow because
the mind is trying to keep it all under control. And this is the average
life. Fuck that.

Nick

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 11, 2006 at 3:51:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you actually think that Islam is the worst enemy of the US when idiots
like Cheney hold onto intellegence like “Bin Laden Likely to Strike in US”.
Rumsfeld wanted a “Second Pearl Harbor” .  Pat Robertson, a so-called
Christian wants to kill the President of Venezuela. Your talking points are
sick and so is the GOP>

 

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From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,but not too far
Date: March 11, 2006 at 3:44:48 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Right. So much about the loss of more human rights for self control of body
and mind.   As I was immediately off on a tangent due to this internal anger
from all the failures to act. I have been  interested in Ibogaine since I
discovered the subject on the Internet several years ago. If it had been
legal treatment 35 years ago, I wouldn’t have lost three friends and my
brother to the ravages of heroin and alcohol.  I have had a little tablet
problem for some years first as a way of making my legs and feet stop
killing me all the time, to needing more and more, plus more  because of
real injuries to my back, shoulder and elbow nerves. Now,  just one or two
#4’s a day to keep my legs and or feet from killing me.  But its still
making me fell like crap anyway. A year ago I was clean for two months until
my legs just wouldn’t get better after the  worst part of the withdrawals
went away. It took four days from cold turkey to maximum body pain, then a
slow taper down that lasted at least a month. I almost killed myself with a
needle over  a decade ago and it was like seeing the angel of death slowly
appearing in a fog in front of me as I struggled to keep awake. I must have
had a guardian angel with me as I managed to stay away the whole night with
the help of a friend. The worst headache I ever had for three days, really.
Absolutely no fun at all. Two weeks later it was probably the same dose that
killed my friend. Only I don’t drink and he had most of a 40 ounce beer gone
when I found him covered with ants.
Then I  found that codeine helped to cover up the pain of the loss of my
best friend.  At the end of 99 and the beginning of 2000, I also lost my
other best friend and also my brother to suicides. Something seemed to go
away from inside my brain when they were gone. There is this lingering
emptiness. And on top of that I’ve been put through the wringer by my
inconsiderate neighbors’ loud dogs for 6 years. The dogs have gotten better
and worse at times since I moved here 6 years ago. The City of Los Angeles
Animal Regulation Supervisor was from hell. Should not have been in the job.
No luck fighting against idiot bureaucrats and neighbors. The resulting
anger and frustration has gotten me into a deep depression that seemed to me
like it was my fault that my Father just died of a stroke at 84. Just before
Christmas he had a stroke and died Feb 1.
So for the most part I want to stay out of politics. Another  time I tried
to write this message board a note about my quest for a new beginning
instead of the same old loss of joie de vivre, the message got bounced back.
Then again I  felt better that I didn’t get to show so much negativity. Next
question is: Why it is so important to fight a trillion dollar war against
dangerous narcotics and stimulants, fighting in vain against the Human
animal nature to be victim of the diabolical Pavlovian reward system that
the drugs offer. And denying one of the most effective drugs Mother Nature
provided Earthlings as a cure.  Unless there is more money to be made by a
perpetual Orwellian War Against Anything and Everything than money saved by
keeping people off of dangerous drugs. And who really is showing any
sensitivity for human life and dignity from this current US government?
There seems to be no scientific logic for Ibogaine not to be as legal  for
treating the chemical imbalance caused by chronic drug use as Vanblastine is
for treating cancer. They both have similarities in structure and
Vinblastine is also very much more toxic. But then again, no one who will
change things tomorrow is listening or cares about “logic”.  Right now I’m
having a hard time trying to figure to how to juggle being broke, depressed,
out of work and maintaining sanity while also trying to figure out how to
get into the right treatment program before and after Ibogaine. I am really
tired of feeling just plain bad all the time.
Warren

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 2:03:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahah yehhh that’s what I was thinking…
I refuse to believe it’s just age!!!!! Ahhahahahaa
Koiky xx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:48 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

Oh my! Quite handsome and so young! Or am I just very old? Maybe both! lol!
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 1:48:25 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh my! Quite handsome and so young! Or am I just very old? Maybe both! lol!
Callie

 

From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 1:39:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cheers to you too mate ! ! !

Thanks Kirk,

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Date: Sat, March 11, 2006 1:27 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cheers Robert Eric Bryan III
Nice to see another face on the list.
Now, grab that camera and do another one….. with a big grin on ya face ;o)
Great!
Koiky xx
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com [mailto:ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:13 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball
——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 1:27:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cheers Robert Eric Bryan III
Nice to see another face on the list.
Now, grab that camera and do another one….. with a big grin on ya face ;o)
Great!
Koiky xx
From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com [mailto:ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2006 7:13 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball
——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 11, 2006 at 1:12:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Date: Tue, March 07, 2006 9:32 pm
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT 30 second bunny movies
Date: March 10, 2006 at 10:30:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I loved war of the worlds

http://www.angryalien.com/1005/wowbuns.asp

But, you can go to the index and choose from a batch of 30 second bunny movies.

http://www.angryalien.com

Howard

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 7:37:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I’ve realized it’s an ongoing process, that it’s up to me to
keep that buoyant feeling alive in me. Because it will not stay on it’s own- I Have to give my spirit reasons to be content.
Peace and love and best of luck and positive wishes your way Guy.

Hey Guy,

I think Preston hit the nail on the head.

love, Jasen

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 10, 2006 at 6:33:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 10 March 2006 11:29
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

I don’t know guys, seems like there is a HUGE difference between being in
touch with my anger and taking out my frustration(s) on those
around me. I
have no trouble with anger, feeling it’s just one more of my
emotions that
does have a place and time, but I also feel that as a modern, thinking,
caring human being, I’m responsible for my actions and reactions, and
personally I don’t like being yelled at, so I try not to yell at others.
I’ve been at times in my life just as likely to pop someone in
the nose for
yelling at me as I am to walk away.
;-)))
So I’m making conscious effort to evolve and not give in to my baser
instincts, as those are the ones I usually give in to just before I screw
myself over in some royal way. Each time I give in to screaming,
I usually
feel like shit, thinking I should have been able to keep control
and not act
like a five year old. It has nothing to do with other people
“handling” my
shit- it ain’t their responsibility to handle my shit, ever, right? It’s
mine. I do not relate at all well to yelling, even though I
occasionaly do
succumb to the temptation to yell myself- which 99.999999999
percent of the
time leaves things worse than they were before I lost my temper
and yelled.
As Rachel noted, I myself prefer breaking shit to yelling
actually too, but
as she said, if the person I’m upset with thinks I’ve thrown the
book/iron/sharpimpliments/dishes/glasses/stereo/guitar/curtain/myp
ants/whateverisinmyhandorwithinreachatthatmoment
might think I’ve thrown it at THEM, which really, really leaves
things worse
than they were before I indulged in my temper tantrum.
Personally? If I subject other people to my shit without
their asking me
to, I’ve transgressed upon their space and their rights- but this
is just my
way of viewing things and I don’t always hold myself to the high
standards I
describe here. But I try to. Even with a shitload of anger inside me at
times- there are CREATIVE ways to get it out, that do me and
everyone else
much more good than my simply yelling and screaming. (Like
playing the blues
or anything at all for instance Randy?)
Again, this is JUST ME I’m describing. Maybe other people get
some good out
of screaming at others- Nick seems to feel it benefits him and
that’s cool
with me. Just please don’t ever scream at me or things might get ugly.
;-))
Peace and love.

 

“Don’t ever scream at me or things might get ugly” Preston, that is THE most
routine you hear in the group room from people who are terrified of going
into their anger. I mean time and time and time and time again. Really. It’s
the fear of the mind. What the fuck might happen if I really lose it? I
remember this happened before when I started to lose it, and this could have
happened, etc, etc. And it’s totally cool and understandable and OK but, in
a safe setting, being able to put out anger is THE most liberating thing
going. It’s totally expansive. Really. It’s freedom. The judgments of the
mind – anger is bad, bad, BAD. It’s just a fucking energy, it’s just
feelings moving, energy motion, e-motion, that’s all it is, but the mind is
conditioned to believe that it is just wrong. And then the fear comes in.
And then the whole trip is, whatever happens I mustn’t get angry. And then
all the defensive belief patterns and rationalizing – anger is unnecessary.
And all the self-denial – I’m not angry. And all the avoidance of certain
ways of being with people, of doing stuff – whatever happens I mustn’t get
angry. And all the drugs that blockade feeling, for a while. So many lives
become so fucking entangled in bullshit because people are conditioned into
believing they mustn’t get angry. And finally it goes into the body and all
the feelings back up and it’s cancer, or a stroke, energy can’t flow because
the mind is trying to keep it all under control. And this is the average
life. Fuck that.

Nick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Ibogaine for Meth?
Date: March 10, 2006 at 6:03:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: ccadden
To: drugwar
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Ibogaine for Meth?

Can anyone here help? I’m going to tell her ibogaine again.

christopher
cadden
—– Original Message —–
From: Kathryn Gold
To: ccadden
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Ibogaine

HI Chris,

I have perused several of the links from the sites you have given.
I cannot find any reference to methamphetamine addiction being
helped.  My son is hopelessly addicted to meth and I am hoping
to hear that Ibogaine is the answer, whether legal or not.

I do belive that drug addiction begins due to a personality defect,
and, judging by my own experience with Ibogaine (which, by the
way, was a HORRIBLE ordeal, certainly NOT something one would
want to do recreationally), it would seem to aid in correcting that
defect.  Admittedly, I am grasping at straws, looking for some way
to help my son.

If you have heard of anyone with beneficial effect on methamphetamine
addiction I would be grateful to hear of it.

Thanks.
Kathryn

K.G. =^..^=

Our mind is of 3 categories: what we know,
what we don’t know, and what we don’t know
we don’t know. Not knowing is unfortunate;
not knowing that we don’t know is tragic. – W. Erhardt

“If you want to make someone angry, tell him a lie; if
you want to make him furious, tell him the truth.”

The world we live in – doctors destroy health, lawyers
destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists
destroy truth, major media destroy information, religions
destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom. – Michael Ellner

“Failure is not a single, cataclysmic event. You don’t fail overnight.
Instead, failure is a few errors in judgement, repeated every day.”
Jim Rohn

—– Original Message —–
From: ccadden
To: dgo1denone@earthlink.net
Sent: 3/10/2006 9:48:18 AM
Subject: Re: Ibogaine

The friend who wrote it runs/edits a site called www.drugwar.com, and all your questions can be answered in the article he wrote about it here: http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm. Yes, he did leave the country, and there’s been no relapse yet. I believe this was his second or third time taking it. From that site you can join a mailing list dedicated to Ibogaine itself. I myself am on a mailing list from that site dedicated to the war on drugs, and the ridiculousness and failure of illegality. As far as introspection and nature’s many gifts to us goes, ibogaine really sounds to me like number one—just like something like ephedra might be called number one as far as nature’s gift to us of spiritual flight.
christopher
cadden
—– Original Message —–
From: Kathryn Gold
To: elgrekkko@carolina.rr.com
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Ibogaine

Hello,
I was intrigued by your post re Ibogaine.  I myself took Ibogaine a few years ago, found it to be an amazing tool for self-realization.  Would like to experience it again sometime in the future.  Has your friend had a remission of his craving after having used Ibogaine?  Did he have to leave the country to take it, or did he find someone here in the U.S. (as I did) who administered it?
Kathryn

K.G. =^..^=

Our mind is of 3 categories: what we know,
what we don’t know, and what we don’t know
we don’t know. Not knowing is unfortunate;
not knowing that we don’t know is tragic. – W. Erhardt

“If you want to make someone angry, tell him a lie; if
you want to make him furious, tell him the truth.”

The world we live in – doctors destroy health, lawyers
destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists
destroy truth, major media destroy information, religions
destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom. – Michael Ellner

“Failure is not a single, cataclysmic event. You don’t fail overnight.
Instead, failure is a few errors in judgement, repeated every day.”
Jim Rohn
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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 7:38:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston you say you have taken Ibogaine 3 times. Wow, while I found it
incredible it was also very hard, physically, emotionally and spiritually.
How much time passed between the times and where they big full on doses. I
had 15mg’s per kg of body weight and I weigh 95kg’s. I feel that where I
took my body was close to death or at least close to a shut down. I could;nt
eat or drink for 4 days. My strength is only now starting to return(17days
later) I can imagine doing it again but not until a few months have passed.
Also I was coming off a rather nasty substance, which I hope will not be the
case next time. I am 41 years old and believe it or not am in quite good
condition. Even though I was on one substance I do not drink or take other
drugs, I eat well and get regular exercise.(I suppose I am a white collar
Junkie)
Guy in deepest darkest Afrika.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 10 March 2006 12:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

It seems that, from what I’ve read that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?<

Just speaking for myself, the first couple or three time having taken
ibogaine, I got seriously depressed after a couple or three weeks. This time

that has NOT been the case, even when I feel like I have an excuse to wallow

in depression. I’ve realized it’s an ongoing process, that it’s up to me to
keep that buoyant feeling alive in me. Because it will not stay on it’s own-

I Have to give my spirit reasons to be content.
Peace and love and best of luck and positive wishes your way Guy.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Thanks Preston,
So far every time I have started to make movies in my head(which in the
past
lead to relapse) I have been able to stop the movie and see it for what it
is and not go and buy some popcorn. It seems that, from what I’ve read
that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?
Love Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 13:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I
ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day,
or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m
not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the
first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better
than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will
be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 10, 2006 at 6:28:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know guys, seems like there is a HUGE difference between being in touch with my anger and taking out my frustration(s) on those around me. I have no trouble with anger, feeling it’s just one more of my emotions that does have a place and time, but I also feel that as a modern, thinking, caring human being, I’m responsible for my actions and reactions, and personally I don’t like being yelled at, so I try not to yell at others. I’ve been at times in my life just as likely to pop someone in the nose for yelling at me as I am to walk away.
;-)))
So I’m making conscious effort to evolve and not give in to my baser instincts, as those are the ones I usually give in to just before I screw myself over in some royal way. Each time I give in to screaming, I usually feel like shit, thinking I should have been able to keep control and not act like a five year old. It has nothing to do with other people “handling” my shit- it ain’t their responsibility to handle my shit, ever, right? It’s mine. I do not relate at all well to yelling, even though I occasionaly do succumb to the temptation to yell myself- which 99.999999999 percent of the time leaves things worse than they were before I lost my temper and yelled. As Rachel noted, I myself prefer breaking shit to yelling actually too, but as she said, if the person I’m upset with thinks I’ve thrown the book/iron/sharpimpliments/dishes/glasses/stereo/guitar/curtain/mypants/whateverisinmyhandorwithinreachatthatmoment might think I’ve thrown it at THEM, which really, really leaves things worse than they were before I indulged in my temper tantrum.
Personally? If I subject other people to my shit without their asking me to, I’ve transgressed upon their space and their rights- but this is just my way of viewing things and I don’t always hold myself to the high standards I describe here. But I try to. Even with a shitload of anger inside me at times- there are CREATIVE ways to get it out, that do me and everyone else much more good than my simply yelling and screaming. (Like playing the blues or anything at all for instance Randy?)
Again, this is JUST ME I’m describing. Maybe other people get some good out of screaming at others- Nick seems to feel it benefits him and that’s cool with me. Just please don’t ever scream at me or things might get ugly.
;-))
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

Hey Randy,

Sounds like that’s what ibogaine is about for you, at this moment. If you can get out of the US and get some notes together the best place to go is a TC called Humaniversity in Holland www.humaniversity.nl They understand all about addiction, anger and craziness over there, and they’ll show you how to turn what society considers dangerous into something very positive. Rock music, yeah, I was into it and used to play, mostly on the London underground, punk stuff mostly, and not very well! But the dance thing in the mid 80s carried me away. Now it’s come back round again with breakbeat and bands like Crystal method (wonder where they got their name). Anger…it’s just energy trying to move in the body, trying to expand you. It’s a gift that you can contact it but you do have to work with people who can handle it and know what it’s about, otherwise you just end up with well-meaning therapist types who are themselves afraid and who end up laying their own fear trips on you.

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 21:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

In a message dated 3/9/06 10:14:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out. That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is. But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.

 

Nick, I’ve been talking about leaving the US of A if I can get a passport. You sound like you have the same balls as me. I’m not afraid of confrontation. Hell dude, if you could have been through the same program I went through in the 70’s we would be best friends. My one and only best friend (whom I treated) went through the same shit I did. We scream at each other and piss and moan and then we play the blues like I taught him to. It feels good to know that someone is not afraid of my anger I just can’t stand the bullshit over here. Everybody claims that they are in touch with their feelings but when it comes to anger……………..look out. We aint supposed to feel like that. Yea well, I do. It makes me rock. I couldn’t play music like I do if I didn’t feel everything that comes along. When I get angry it makes me want to play in A. Lots of grind and turn up the drive. Just like Pete Townsend. However you spell his name. Bend the top string to G and hit A as hard as you can. Then let it ride. Listen to the feedback. My tube amp is going to explode. I never thought that we could relate like this. What do I do with my anger?       PS I aint gonna kill anybody I just want some help.       Is this what Ibogaine is about? Randy

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 10, 2006 at 5:55:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If the entire Bush Family, Hitler, Carl Rove, Dickwad Cheney, Skeletor
Chertoff, Jackoff Ambram, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, The Governor and
Legislature of South Dakota, etc were aborted, we would not be in the
current world crises were are now into like a water buffalo in neck high
river caca!
Ther you go!

oh, then you would have another crises, where islam will rule you or other
rullers.

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 5:55:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It seems that, from what I’ve read that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?<

Just speaking for myself, the first couple or three time having taken ibogaine, I got seriously depressed after a couple or three weeks. This time that has NOT been the case, even when I feel like I have an excuse to wallow in depression. I’ve realized it’s an ongoing process, that it’s up to me to keep that buoyant feeling alive in me. Because it will not stay on it’s own- I Have to give my spirit reasons to be content.
Peace and love and best of luck and positive wishes your way Guy.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Thanks Preston,
So far every time I have started to make movies in my head(which in the past
lead to relapse) I have been able to stop the movie and see it for what it
is and not go and buy some popcorn. It seems that, from what I’ve read that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?
Love Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 13:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day, or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 10, 2006 at 3:49:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

Sounds like that’s what ibogaine is about for you, at this moment. If you can get out of the US and get some notes together the best place to go is a TC called Humaniversity in Holland www.humaniversity.nl They understand all about addiction, anger and craziness over there, and they’ll show you how to turn what society considers dangerous into something very positive. Rock music, yeah, I was into it and used to play, mostly on the London underground, punk stuff mostly, and not very well! But the dance thing in the mid 80s carried me away. Now it’s come back round again with breakbeat and bands like Crystal method (wonder where they got their name). Anger…it’s just energy trying to move in the body, trying to expand you. It’s a gift that you can contact it but you do have to work with people who can handle it and know what it’s about, otherwise you just end up with well-meaning therapist types who are themselves afraid and who end up laying their own fear trips on you.

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 21:58
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

In a message dated 3/9/06 10:14:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out. That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is. But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.

 

Nick, I’ve been talking about leaving the US of A if I can get a passport. You sound like you have the same balls as me. I’m not afraid of confrontation. Hell dude, if you could have been through the same program I went through in the 70’s we would be best friends. My one and only best friend (whom I treated) went through the same shit I did. We scream at each other and piss and moan and then we play the blues like I taught him to. It feels good to know that someone is not afraid of my anger I just can’t stand the bullshit over here. Everybody claims that they are in touch with their feelings but when it comes to anger……………..look out. We aint supposed to feel like that. Yea well, I do. It makes me rock. I couldn’t play music like I do if I didn’t feel everything that comes along. When I get angry it makes me want to play in A. Lots of grind and turn up the drive. Just like Pete Townsend. However you spell his name. Bend the top string to G and hit A as hard as you can. Then let it ride. Listen to the feedback. My tube amp is going to explode. I never thought that we could relate like this. What do I do with my anger?       PS I aint gonna kill anybody I just want some help.       Is this what Ibogaine is about?          Randy

 

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 10, 2006 at 3:40:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Haven’t got any yet! I’ll alert you if it looks like they’re coming!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: 09 March 2006 20:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

Suggestion:-  don’t have children.
(joking)

—–Original Message—–
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 9:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44
-0000 Issue
1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 18:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything.<

“You”? What do you (and I’m addressing “you” directly here and
elsewhere in
this email, not some general “everyone” Nick) mean, “you?”
Don’t you mean
“Nick needs to fucking scream at people” Nick?
I mean, who are you to speak for me or anyone else, just out of
curiosity,
or try to tell me what I need? How would you know Nick, I ask
in friendly
but pointed fashion?

Preston, man

I’m just speaking generally about my experience. I like to have a good
scream and shout at people every so often. I mean, are you saying
you can’t
understand what I write or something? I just write it. I’m not
busy with Oh
my God am I implying that Preston is like this or something. I
just fucking
write, man. Chill. Or scream. Whatever

Nick

 

Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole
irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.<

Don’t you mean “Nick just gots to…” etc?

What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.<

Don’t you mean “if Nick really creates a space….etc”?

Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44
-0000 Issue
1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away
some of the
shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to
come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at
my surface
and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel
ibogaine “ripped
away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or
“nudged” me in
directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more
seconds about
things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a
pleasent and
happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that
anything was
ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of
opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is
that this
is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the
LAST place
I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially,
but THIS IS
JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m
talking about
anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve
mentioned
previously. That’s another one of those things I myself
learned and took
away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living
in (so they
aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact
with my own
feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as
personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when
speaking or
writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and
if they did
I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn
when other
people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the
yeller like
he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common
sense nor
the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions,
and being too
lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a
little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time-
because I’m the
only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the
personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I
think, what
you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever,
“Everything is
cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one
hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

I live in community, have done so on and off for years. I like living
around
people. And every now and again you just need to fucking scream
at people,
I
mean really full-on vent everything. A proper TC, I don’t
think it’s any
different. I mean, people always try and sort everything out
with their
rational mind. Guys especially. And when they get spiritual or new age
they
just try and rationalize all this stuff as well – love, spirit,
whatever.
None of this works if you ask me. I don’t see it working for
people. Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole
irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.
What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a
space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.

That’s why I figure this stuff is for Randy. He likes to
scream. I mean,
you
can believe in some spiritual fantasy that you’re going to
come back and
life goes on and on or something, like you get a second chance,
or you can
say “fuck that” and just go for it as much as possible every
second you’re
alive. If you like to scream, use that. Don’t get stuck with all the
rationalizing bullshit. Live now. That’s my position.

You also get to appreciate just how good this sounds too –
www.puravida.uk.com/Sounds/High-noon.mp3!

Nick

 

 

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: March 10, 2006 at 2:03:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

whoa pilgrim,
i’m a bigger ass, freaking ego maniac, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2

I’ve been quiet for a month. Yes I am an ass.

tink wrote:
You really are an ass, aren’t you?

On 2/21/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:

Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list. Not
a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a whorehouse to do
a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try digging in the archives.
Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:
Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want
to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you
please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making
it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please
reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot
of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

2. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
a) Once and I feel drug free
b) More times and I feel drug free
c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction

3. How many years have you been using drugs?
4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 10, 2006 at 1:10:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nice thought but I’m sure there would still have been/are many more asswipes
that would have risen to take their place in megalomanic land.

—–Original Message—–
From: WARRENTHERIOT [mailto:warrentheriot@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 12:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not

If the entire Bush Family, Hitler, Carl Rove, Dickwad Cheney, Skeletor
Chertoff, Jackoff Ambram, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, The Governor and
Legislature of South Dakota, etc were aborted, we would not be in the
current world crises were are now into like a water buffalo in neck high
river caca!
Ther you go!

 

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 1:09:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Guy,
Yehhh we are!  Cool ay!!
I’m good today, had a bit of a grr argghyy night but that’s just par for the course as far as I am concerned, considering what I usually went thru this is a picnic.
My mind still feels calm, focused, I still feel child like laughter bubble inside me at the slitest funny thing (which, judging by Jasen may NEVER go away hahaahahahahah)  the only thing really bugging me is our weather which has turned unusually windy and wet and cold.  I need some hot sunny days so I can catch a bus into town and sit and look at everyone.
I popped into my local chemist today to see my favourite pharmacist lady who I got on really well with. She was amazed to see someone post methadone, usually they find it too hard to return.  Very happy for me.  As am I.
I understand your concern about this “going away” eventually.,.. so the trick is now I guess to find maybe a CD that you get a buzz from (I was introduced to the cd Conversations with God and am using that daily)  and play it every single chance you get preferably on headphones.  Or whatever else it takes.  Brainwash, or wash your brain until the good shit sticks.   I guess that’s why NA etc works for people it’s support and a brain washing (I don’t mean in cult form lol).  I guess we need to change our thought processes and make this feeling STAY.  This CD is certainly sticking with me and I find myself repeating parts of it regularly thru out the day.  I’ll be keeping a wary eye on that forbidding 3 month mark which has always been my downfall.  Hoping to do another session before then, get rid of this block I feel didn’t quite get moved during the flood dose.  Perhaps make sure you have a booster dose to take?   The body n brain will remember it fondly I’d think heheh.
All the best to you and love to hear how you’re doing.
Love from NZ
Kirsty xx

From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 6:45 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Kirk we seem to be on a similar time line RE our Ibo recovery. How are you today?
Guy
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: 09 March 2006 08:08
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Keep On guy.
16th day for me tomorrow….. but that’s since I last visited the chemist for my chug of Drone.
Don’t miss it at all, but I was stable and often forgot about going down til slite symptoms set in, so yeh don’t miss it at all.
Anyway, all the best to you.
Anything is possible, we just have to know it’s so.
Look at the crap we learnt to create…..flip it…..make it……. Um… good crap? Lol
Love to all
Koiky xxx
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 March 2006 6:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms, headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance. This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 12:44:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk we seem to be on a similar time line RE our Ibo recovery. How are you today?
Guy
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: 09 March 2006 08:08
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Keep On guy.
16th day for me tomorrow….. but that’s since I last visited the chemist for my chug of Drone.
Don’t miss it at all, but I was stable and often forgot about going down til slite symptoms set in, so yeh don’t miss it at all.
Anyway, all the best to you.
Anything is possible, we just have to know it’s so.
Look at the crap we learnt to create…..flip it…..make it……. Um… good crap? Lol
Love to all
Koiky xxx
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 March 2006 6:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms, headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance. This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 12:43:12 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston,
So far every time I have started to make movies in my head(which in the past
lead to relapse) I have been able to stop the movie and see it for what it
is and not go and buy some popcorn. It seems that, from what I’ve read that
this strength will go away with time and this really worries me. Do you
think this strength of mind stays and for how long?
Love Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 13:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day, or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 12:39:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Kirk,
Tock anutha day!!!
Yay
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: 09 March 2006 14:06
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Tick (another second gone) tock (cool now it’s nearly sunrise) tick (fuk
it’s cold smoking out here) tock(yeh yeh nuvva second and it’ll be a whole 5
seconds later yay gibber gibber gibber gibber gibber)
Yeh works like a farking charm that does
Kirk, going mental.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 12:32 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day, or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 10, 2006 at 12:38:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy,
I became aware of a huge universe and a lot of energy but could not see a “god” or creator. I came away feeling that maybe there is no distinction between creation and the creator.
Guy
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:26
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

In a message dated 3/9/06 12:09:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, guybragge@mweb.co.za writes:
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way
Guy, I’m curious. Were you aware of this big power thing when you were in the flood or at any time during your journey? Stay strong brutha.        Randy

 

From: “WARRENTHERIOT” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:12:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If the entire Bush Family, Hitler, Carl Rove, Dickwad Cheney, Skeletor
Chertoff, Jackoff Ambram, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, The Governor and
Legislature of South Dakota, etc were aborted, we would not be in the
current world crises were are now into like a water buffalo in neck high
river caca!
Ther you go!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 5:12:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is.

Heheh bet nobody ever called you Judgemental *wink*
You’re right. Even when you’re wrong you’re right *nuvva wink*
Back to my on version of reality.
Hippy shit n all.
Koik
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 4:58:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/9/06 10:14:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out. That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is. But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.

 

Nick, I’ve been talking about leaving the US of A if I can get a passport. You sound like you have the same balls as me. I’m not afraid of confrontation. Hell dude, if you could have been through the same program I went through in the 70’s we would be best friends. My one and only best friend (whom I treated) went through the same shit I did. We scream at each other and piss and moan and then we play the blues like I taught him to. It feels good to know that someone is not afraid of my anger I just can’t stand the bullshit over here. Everybody claims that they are in touch with their feelings but when it comes to anger……………..look out. We aint supposed to feel like that. Yea well, I do. It makes me rock. I couldn’t play music like I do if I didn’t feel everything that comes along. When I get angry it makes me want to play in A. Lots of grind and turn up the drive. Just like Pete Townsend. However you spell his name. Bend the top string to G and hit A as hard as you can. Then let it ride. Listen to the feedback. My tube amp is going to explode. I never thought that we could relate like this. What do I do with my anger?       PS I aint gonna kill anybody I just want some help.       Is this what Ibogaine is about?          Randy

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 3:53:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Personally, I prefer the satisfaction of a breaking a glass over that of a good scream.

The only drawback being when the object of one’s angry outburst  thinks the hurling glass is being aimed at their body.  And also, I suppose, cleaning it up, although there is some penance in that physical process that redeems.

Who knew crystal shattered into such tiny little pieces?

Come to think of it, I guess that option wouldn’t work if one had nine kitty-cats prancing around one’s living space and in danger of being cut.  Never mind.  Back to Peet on Sandberg.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 3:50:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Suggestion:-  don’t have children.
(joking)

—–Original Message—–
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 9:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue
1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 18:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything.<

“You”? What do you (and I’m addressing “you” directly here and
elsewhere in
this email, not some general “everyone” Nick) mean, “you?” Don’t you mean
“Nick needs to fucking scream at people” Nick?
I mean, who are you to speak for me or anyone else, just out of
curiosity,
or try to tell me what I need? How would you know Nick, I ask in friendly
but pointed fashion?

Preston, man

I’m just speaking generally about my experience. I like to have a good
scream and shout at people every so often. I mean, are you saying you can’t
understand what I write or something? I just write it. I’m not busy with Oh
my God am I implying that Preston is like this or something. I just fucking
write, man. Chill. Or scream. Whatever

Nick

 

Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.<

Don’t you mean “Nick just gots to…” etc?

What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.<

Don’t you mean “if Nick really creates a space….etc”?

Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44
-0000 Issue
1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away
some of the
shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to
come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at
my surface
and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel
ibogaine “ripped
away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or “nudged” me in
directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more
seconds about
things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a pleasent and
happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that
anything was
ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of
opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is
that this
is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the
LAST place
I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially,
but THIS IS
JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m talking about
anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve
mentioned
previously. That’s another one of those things I myself
learned and took
away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living in (so they
aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact
with my own
feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as
personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when
speaking or
writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and
if they did
I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn when other
people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the yeller like
he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common
sense nor
the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions,
and being too
lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a
little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time-
because I’m the
only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the
personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I
think, what
you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever,
“Everything is
cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one
hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

I live in community, have done so on and off for years. I like living
around
people. And every now and again you just need to fucking scream
at people,
I
mean really full-on vent everything. A proper TC, I don’t think it’s any
different. I mean, people always try and sort everything out with their
rational mind. Guys especially. And when they get spiritual or new age
they
just try and rationalize all this stuff as well – love, spirit,
whatever.
None of this works if you ask me. I don’t see it working for
people. Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole
irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.
What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.

That’s why I figure this stuff is for Randy. He likes to
scream. I mean,
you
can believe in some spiritual fantasy that you’re going to come back and
life goes on and on or something, like you get a second chance,
or you can
say “fuck that” and just go for it as much as possible every
second you’re
alive. If you like to scream, use that. Don’t get stuck with all the
rationalizing bullshit. Live now. That’s my position.

You also get to appreciate just how good this sounds too –
www.puravida.uk.com/Sounds/High-noon.mp3!

Nick

 

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 3:33:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 18:50
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything.<

“You”? What do you (and I’m addressing “you” directly here and
elsewhere in
this email, not some general “everyone” Nick) mean, “you?” Don’t you mean
“Nick needs to fucking scream at people” Nick?
I mean, who are you to speak for me or anyone else, just out of
curiosity,
or try to tell me what I need? How would you know Nick, I ask in friendly
but pointed fashion?

Preston, man

I’m just speaking generally about my experience. I like to have a good
scream and shout at people every so often. I mean, are you saying you can’t
understand what I write or something? I just write it. I’m not busy with Oh
my God am I implying that Preston is like this or something. I just fucking
write, man. Chill. Or scream. Whatever

Nick

 

Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.<

Don’t you mean “Nick just gots to…” etc?

What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.<

Don’t you mean “if Nick really creates a space….etc”?

Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44
-0000 Issue
1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away
some of the
shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to
come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at
my surface
and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel
ibogaine “ripped
away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or “nudged” me in
directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more
seconds about
things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a pleasent and
happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that
anything was
ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of
opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is
that this
is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the
LAST place
I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially,
but THIS IS
JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m talking about
anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve
mentioned
previously. That’s another one of those things I myself
learned and took
away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living in (so they
aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact
with my own
feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as
personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when
speaking or
writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and
if they did
I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn when other
people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the yeller like
he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common
sense nor
the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions,
and being too
lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a
little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time-
because I’m the
only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the
personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I
think, what
you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever,
“Everything is
cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one
hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

I live in community, have done so on and off for years. I like living
around
people. And every now and again you just need to fucking scream
at people,
I
mean really full-on vent everything. A proper TC, I don’t think it’s any
different. I mean, people always try and sort everything out with their
rational mind. Guys especially. And when they get spiritual or new age
they
just try and rationalize all this stuff as well – love, spirit,
whatever.
None of this works if you ask me. I don’t see it working for
people. Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole
irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.
What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.

That’s why I figure this stuff is for Randy. He likes to
scream. I mean,
you
can believe in some spiritual fantasy that you’re going to come back and
life goes on and on or something, like you get a second chance,
or you can
say “fuck that” and just go for it as much as possible every
second you’re
alive. If you like to scream, use that. Don’t get stuck with all the
rationalizing bullshit. Live now. That’s my position.

You also get to appreciate just how good this sounds too –
www.puravida.uk.com/Sounds/High-noon.mp3!

Nick

 

 

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From: calliemimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] WAAAY OT but still…
Date: March 9, 2006 at 3:07:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hahahahahahahahaha!!!! Namesake to Britney and Kevin’s baby!!! hahahahahahahahahha!!!!! wtg Preston!!
Callie

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:59:28 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] WAAAY OT but still…

I know, call me high (I’m surfing the internest and reading about Britney Spears instead of being productive…LOL, so whether I’m high or not, you can CALL me high), but regardless of my mental condition, or perhaps because of it, I just found the following nothing-of-an-article, except for the citaion of a certain “famous” person.
Another hearty LOL!
I’m not even IN the darned film either (see below), even though I got a screen credit- they CUT the freakin’ scene.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16136523&method=full&siteid
=66633&headline=i-m-ecstatic–name_page.html

16 September 2005
I’M ECSTATIC
Britney’s joy at her baby boy
By Helen William
POP princess Britney Spears has told of her delight after giving birth to a baby boy.
The 23-year-old singer and dancer husband Kevin Federline announced the news on her official website yesterday morning.
The proud parents revealed: “We are ecstatic to announce the birth of our son. Everyone is happy, healthy and doing wonderful. Thank you all for your love and well wishes!! Love Britney & Kevin.”
US magazines had claimed on Wednesday that Britney had been taken into the UCLA Medical Centre in Santa Monica – a claim denied by the star’s press spokesman.
But yesterday the couple, often mocked for their trailer trash style, made the news official with a picture showing them kissing in front of a sign saying: “It’s a boy!”
No name has yet been announced but Preston is believed to be the front-runner. snip-
PRESTON ON MAP
The name Preston derives from Old English and means priest’s town.
Namesakes of Britney’s baby include Preston Sturges, a famous Hollywood director and Preston Peet who played Goth Man in box-office smash Fantastic Four. Preston North End won the first Football League championship in 1889. Preston has Europe’s second-largest bus station which boasts 79 gates.
Residents of Preston have included England cricketer Andrew Flintoff and actor Kenny Baker, who played R2D2 in Star Wars.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] WAAAY OT but still…
Date: March 9, 2006 at 2:59:28 PM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know, call me high (I’m surfing the internest and reading about Britney Spears instead of being productive…LOL, so whether I’m high or not, you can CALL me high), but regardless of my mental condition, or perhaps because of it, I just found the following nothing-of-an-article, except for the citaion of a certain “famous” person.
Another hearty LOL!
I’m not even IN the darned film either (see below), even though I got a screen credit- they CUT the freakin’ scene.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16136523&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=i-m-ecstatic–name_page.html

16 September 2005
I’M ECSTATIC
Britney’s joy at her baby boy
By Helen William
POP princess Britney Spears has told of her delight after giving birth to a baby boy.
The 23-year-old singer and dancer husband Kevin Federline announced the news on her official website yesterday morning.
The proud parents revealed: “We are ecstatic to announce the birth of our son. Everyone is happy, healthy and doing wonderful. Thank you all for your love and well wishes!! Love Britney & Kevin.”
US magazines had claimed on Wednesday that Britney had been taken into the UCLA Medical Centre in Santa Monica – a claim denied by the star’s press spokesman.
But yesterday the couple, often mocked for their trailer trash style, made the news official with a picture showing them kissing in front of a sign saying: “It’s a boy!”
No name has yet been announced but Preston is believed to be the front-runner. snip-
PRESTON ON MAP
The name Preston derives from Old English and means priest’s town.
Namesakes of Britney’s baby include Preston Sturges, a famous Hollywood director and Preston Peet who played Goth Man in box-office smash Fantastic Four. Preston North End won the first Football League championship in 1889. Preston has Europe’s second-largest bus station which boasts 79 gates.
Residents of Preston have included England cricketer Andrew Flintoff and actor Kenny Baker, who played R2D2 in Star Wars.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:50:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything.<

“You”? What do you (and I’m addressing “you” directly here and elsewhere in this email, not some general “everyone” Nick) mean, “you?” Don’t you mean “Nick needs to fucking scream at people” Nick?
I mean, who are you to speak for me or anyone else, just out of curiosity, or try to tell me what I need? How would you know Nick, I ask in friendly but pointed fashion?

Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it.<

Don’t you mean “Nick just gots to…” etc?

What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.<

Don’t you mean “if Nick really creates a space….etc”?

Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

>With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the
>shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at
my surface
and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel
ibogaine “ripped
away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or “nudged” me in
directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more seconds about
things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a pleasent and
happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that
anything was
ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

>That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the LAST place
I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially, but THIS IS
JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m talking about
anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve mentioned
previously. That’s another one of those things I myself learned and took
away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living in (so they
aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact
with my own
feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as
personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when
speaking or
writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and
if they did
I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn when other
people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the yeller like
he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common
sense nor
the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions, and being too
lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

>But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a
little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time-
because I’m the
only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the
personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I think, what
you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever,
“Everything is
cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one
hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

I live in community, have done so on and off for years. I like living around
people. And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything. A proper TC, I don’t think it’s any
different. I mean, people always try and sort everything out with their
rational mind. Guys especially. And when they get spiritual or new age they
just try and rationalize all this stuff as well – love, spirit, whatever.
None of this works if you ask me. I don’t see it working for people. Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it. What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.

That’s why I figure this stuff is for Randy. He likes to scream. I mean, you
can believe in some spiritual fantasy that you’re going to come back and
life goes on and on or something, like you get a second chance, or you can
say “fuck that” and just go for it as much as possible every second you’re
alive. If you like to scream, use that. Don’t get stuck with all the
rationalizing bullshit. Live now. That’s my position.

You also get to appreciate just how good this sounds too –
www.puravida.uk.com/Sounds/High-noon.mp3!

Nick

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:44:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oops.
my bad.
peace and love?
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs

For those of you interested in anoymity, FEAR NOT!!  preston does not
know how to load a manual camera and i got a blank roll of film
(#$%#^%$#^$@#@$%^&%).
better luck at the next event, eh?
tink

On 3/6/06, Mark Corcoran <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

what about my anomimity, Goddammitt?!? ;o) “Mark X” in the captions ok?

OT

I don’t hate my job, I just hate working and not being able to do exactly
what I want to do when I want to do it. Just wanted to say that out loud
again.

Another day, another dollar, I guess.

Its only temporary. In a few months I hope to be able to walk to the beach
instead of the subway. So this is what I must do in the meantime.

Sacrific is bulllshit. (someone on this list will get that).

Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass.

________________________________

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:00:21 -0500

>trying to get the film out of my camera now- will have them put on
>disc and email in the next day or two…
>love
>tink
>
>On 3/2/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
> > Would appreciate it if anyone with interesting digital conference
> > photographs would email some at ibogaine@earthlink.net
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > Howard Lotsof
> > President
> > Dora Weiner Foundation
> > 46 Oxford Place
> > Staten Island, NY 10301
> > USA
> > dir tel: 1 718 442-2754
> > dir fax: 1 718 442-1957
> > email: dwf123@earthlink.net
> > http://www.doraweiner.org
> >
>
>
>
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] photos coming soon…
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:30:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he’d better get used to it if i’m coming that way….
(evil chuckle)
love tink

On 3/7/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Attempting upload from digi camrerera, promise it only be tiny as.
My back is playing up, making this a harder road than it should be. If I can
get someone to carry me to a massage therapist, it’ll all be good. Now my
guests have gone, bed is in lounge. Stairs too tough at times lol.
What we do to ourselves (tsk tskies)
Sigh.
Love to all
Koiky
PS Jasen got beaten by a GIRL at POOL hahahahahahahahahahahaahhaha

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:24:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanx again for the giggle, mr peet
tink

On 3/8/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I nearly got myself in trouble waking up V, sleeping soundly behind me, when
watching the following video just now, unable to keep from laughing out loud
at parts.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ali-g-drugs-p1.php?fromrelated=1

Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 12:59:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Welcome back(?) Guy, and glad to hear it went well for you.  It took
me a while to get back to “normal”(lolololollollolollol-like anything
about me is normal), but it does happen.  You are loved
tink

On 3/9/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 3/9/06 12:09:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
guybragge@mweb.co.za writes:

I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way

Guy, I’m curious. Were you aware of this big power thing when you were in
the flood or at any time during your journey? Stay strong brutha.
Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date: March 9, 2006 at 12:47:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

For those of you interested in anoymity, FEAR NOT!!  preston does not
know how to load a manual camera and i got a blank roll of film
(#$%#^%$#^$@#@$%^&%).
better luck at the next event, eh?
tink

On 3/6/06, Mark Corcoran <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

what about my anomimity, Goddammitt?!? ;o) “Mark X” in the captions ok?

OT

I don’t hate my job, I just hate working and not being able to do exactly
what I want to do when I want to do it. Just wanted to say that out loud
again.

Another day, another dollar, I guess.

Its only temporary. In a few months I hope to be able to walk to the beach
instead of the subway. So this is what I must do in the meantime.

Sacrific is bulllshit. (someone on this list will get that).

Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass.

________________________________

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:00:21 -0500

trying to get the film out of my camera now- will have them put on
disc and email in the next day or two…
love
tink

On 3/2/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Would appreciate it if anyone with interesting digital conference
photographs would email some at ibogaine@earthlink.net

Thanks

Howard

Howard Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
USA
dir tel: 1 718 442-2754
dir fax: 1 718 442-1957
email: dwf123@earthlink.net
http://www.doraweiner.org

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 12:36:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 09 March 2006 16:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the
shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at
my surface
and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel
ibogaine “ripped
away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or “nudged” me in
directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more seconds about
things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a pleasent and
happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that
anything was
ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the LAST place
I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially, but THIS IS
JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m talking about
anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve mentioned
previously. That’s another one of those things I myself learned and took
away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living in (so they
aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact
with my own
feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as
personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when
speaking or
writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and
if they did
I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn when other
people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the yeller like
he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common
sense nor
the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions, and being too
lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a
little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time-
because I’m the
only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the
personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I think, what
you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever,
“Everything is
cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one
hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

I live in community, have done so on and off for years. I like living around
people. And every now and again you just need to fucking scream at people, I
mean really full-on vent everything. A proper TC, I don’t think it’s any
different. I mean, people always try and sort everything out with their
rational mind. Guys especially. And when they get spiritual or new age they
just try and rationalize all this stuff as well – love, spirit, whatever.
None of this works if you ask me. I don’t see it working for people. Every
now and again you’ve just got to really go into the whole irrational side
and give yourself the space to fucking let fly with all of it. What makes
this civilized and not just abusive is if you really create a space and
structure so that everyone can do it together, and it’s held.

That’s why I figure this stuff is for Randy. He likes to scream. I mean, you
can believe in some spiritual fantasy that you’re going to come back and
life goes on and on or something, like you get a second chance, or you can
say “fuck that” and just go for it as much as possible every second you’re
alive. If you like to scream, use that. Don’t get stuck with all the
rationalizing bullshit. Live now. That’s my position.

You also get to appreciate just how good this sounds too –
www.puravida.uk.com/Sounds/High-noon.mp3!

Nick

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 11:37:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out.<

Beg to differ, but while I do have my feelings jangling away at my surface and feeling like a livewire a lot of the time, I don’t feel ibogaine “ripped away” anything. I would phrase it more of “revealed,” or “nudged” me in directions that enabled me to stop and think for a few more seconds about things than I would have pre-ibogaine. It wasn’t always a pleasent and happy trip by any means, but I dont’ feel in the slightest that anything was ripped at all, be it away or whathaveyou.

That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk.<

First of all, ARRRGGGHHH!!!!! A TC community? EGAD, that’s the LAST place I’d recommend anyone to go, after doing ibogaine especially, but THIS IS JUST ME.
I also hesitate to write or speak the word “you” when I’m talking about anything, as I can only speak for “me” Nick, as I believe I’ve mentioned previously. That’s another one of those things I myself learned and took away from the first TC I ever had the “pleasure” of living in (so they aren’t all all bad I suppose)- that I would be better in contact with my own feelings and emotions if I concentrated on something so simple as personalizing and refraining from ever using the word “you” when speaking or writing.
But then, in this TC no one ever raised their voices at me, and if they did I would have been gone in an instant. I myself do not learn when other people yell at me- I get extremely defensive and treat the yeller like he/she is an asshole for yelling at me and not having the common sense nor the maturity to control themselves and their base emotions, and being too lazy to try rational communication with me instead of YELLING Nick.

But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.<

Hence my writing about my own experiences much of the time- because I’m the only person I know and can ever really speak FOR and be aware of the personal dynamics of.
And I do know that if I’m yelled at, I do not respond well at all.
“Well meaning talk.” I think I actually do understand Nick, I think, what you mean by this. Because I nowadays hesitate to say, ever, “Everything is cool now, I’m better and never going back,” because I’ll never be one hundred percent sure of that.
But a TC is NOT what I need, thank you very much.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

Preston, Sara,

I see people in therapy groups all the time who would give their right arm
to be able to get totally wasted and scream abuse at people! They cannot do
it! They cannot in themselves contact their own anger or feelings, it’s been
so layered over with conditionings and traumas and whatever. They live
miserable half-lives bullshitting their way through and sitting on so many
feelings that finally they have a stroke or get cancer or just totally
wasted on booze or drugs. Now this may sound a bit crazy but it’s also true.
To be real in this world you need to be able to feel, and feel all of it,
not just the bits you want to show to the world.

When I hear Randy is screaming abuse at people, ok for the people he’s
screaming at it’s a fucking drag and I would also be pissed off, but ALSO,
it’s actually something to be able to do this. And if (it can be a big IF)
you have the guts to take that same energy out into a more therapeutic
situation THEN you get big changes in your whole life, your whole being. If
you can lay the worst trip out that you’re capable of in an enclosed
therapeutic environment and be prepared to be totally confronted, then you
will get change fast.

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out. That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is. But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.

Nick

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 09 March 2006 11:33
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

>

 

>Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so >terrible.
>>Now you know.<
>
Preston, I fine screaming abusive and such therapies could do more harm
then good, it is terrible to be with people who think they
know better and show no respect to someone else is feelings.

Sara Glatt,

“When one is connected above,” he said
quietly, “he does not fall below.”
OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK…

> LOLOLOL!!!!!
> Oh boy Nick, why oh why does this comment not surprise me in
the slightest
> bit?
> Seriously though, I do appreciate your commentary. And I was just this
> second saying to V that “I can’t wait to meet this Nick
Sandberg cat, and
> I
> know I’m someday gonna.”
> Just don’t yell at me, ok?
> ;-))
> Peace and love.
> ——
> “Found her out in a field about a mile from home
> Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
> Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
> Just another overdose.
> Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
> She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
> She would do anything.”
> Everclear- “Heroin Girl”
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor Underground
> Editor Under the Influence
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Nick Sandberg
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
> Issue
> 1688
>
>
> Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on
the phone
> but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to > get
> loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This > is
> how
> you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to
start putting
> this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re
> really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of
> anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used > to
> anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + > wtf
> needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath
that, anger
> is
> actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly.
> Therapy,
> man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom.
This is your
> pathway, man. That’s what I see.
>
> Love
>
> Nick
>
>
>  —–Original Message—–
> From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
> Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
> Issue
> 1688
>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> digital@phantom.com writes:
>
>
> Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
> Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
> Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?
>
> Dr. Kroupa
>
>
>
>
> UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that.
Anyway I love
> you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning.
> I’ll
> be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 10:50:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara,
I’m right with you on every point you make in this short but pointed note. I’m not much of a screamer, although I have been known to blow a fuse every now and then.
I didn’t write that, just to make sure you know, I only cut and pasted it. I certainly don’t agree with people screaming at one another as some kind of therapy, nor do I get along well with folk who “know” it all.
While Nick has an  extreme attitude and outlook on life I find little to agree with (if much of anything), I still suspect his heart is in the right place, hence my thinking I’m gonna meet him someday, whether I like it or not.
;-)))
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

>

 

Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible.
Now you know.<

Preston, I fine screaming abusive and such therapies could do more harm
then good, it is terrible to be with people who think they
know better and show no respect to someone else is feelings.

Sara Glatt,

“When one is connected above,” he said
quietly, “he does not fall below.”
OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK…

LOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh boy Nick, why oh why does this comment not surprise me in the slightest
bit?
Seriously though, I do appreciate your commentary. And I was just this
second saying to V that “I can’t wait to meet this Nick Sandberg cat, and
I
know I’m someday gonna.”
Just don’t yell at me, ok?
;-))
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on the phone
but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to get
loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This is
how
you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to start putting
this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re
really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of
anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used to
anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + wtf
needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath that, anger
is
actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly.
Therapy,
man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom. This is your
pathway, man. That’s what I see.

Love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that. Anyway I love
you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning.
I’ll
be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 10:13:51 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, Sara,

I see people in therapy groups all the time who would give their right arm
to be able to get totally wasted and scream abuse at people! They cannot do
it! They cannot in themselves contact their own anger or feelings, it’s been
so layered over with conditionings and traumas and whatever. They live
miserable half-lives bullshitting their way through and sitting on so many
feelings that finally they have a stroke or get cancer or just totally
wasted on booze or drugs. Now this may sound a bit crazy but it’s also true.
To be real in this world you need to be able to feel, and feel all of it,
not just the bits you want to show to the world.

When I hear Randy is screaming abuse at people, ok for the people he’s
screaming at it’s a fucking drag and I would also be pissed off, but ALSO,
it’s actually something to be able to do this. And if (it can be a big IF)
you have the guts to take that same energy out into a more therapeutic
situation THEN you get big changes in your whole life, your whole being. If
you can lay the worst trip out that you’re capable of in an enclosed
therapeutic environment and be prepared to be totally confronted, then you
will get change fast.

With ibogaine this is important, because it is ripping away some of the shit
that covers us over, it is leaving all the feelings bare and ready to come
out. That’s why I maintain, as I have done for yonks, that the best thing
post-ibo is a good therapeutic community. There’s a window of opportunity
for two weeks, a month, after you come down and what I see is that this is
usually squandered away on new-age foolishness and nice-sounding,
well-meaning talk. OK, that’s how it is. But when you’ve done ibo and gone
back to using a few times then maybe it’s a chance to look a little deeper.
Awareness is the real trip, awareness of your own personal dynamic.

Nick

 

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 09 March 2006 11:33
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue 1688

 

 

 

Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible.
Now you know.<

Preston, I fine screaming abusive and such therapies could do more harm
then good, it is terrible to be with people who think they
know better and show no respect to someone else is feelings.

Sara Glatt,

“When one is connected above,” he said
quietly, “he does not fall below.”
OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK…

LOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh boy Nick, why oh why does this comment not surprise me in
the slightest
bit?
Seriously though, I do appreciate your commentary. And I was just this
second saying to V that “I can’t wait to meet this Nick
Sandberg cat, and
I
know I’m someday gonna.”
Just don’t yell at me, ok?
;-))
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on
the phone
but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to get
loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This is
how
you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to
start putting
this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re
really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of
anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used to
anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + wtf
needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath
that, anger
is
actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly.
Therapy,
man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom.
This is your
pathway, man. That’s what I see.

Love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that.
Anyway I love
you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning.
I’ll
be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

 

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 9:25:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/9/06 12:09:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, guybragge@mweb.co.za writes:

I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way

Guy, I’m curious. Were you aware of this big power thing when you were in the flood or at any time during your journey? Stay strong brutha.        Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 7:05:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tick (another second gone) tock (cool now it’s nearly sunrise) tick (fuk
it’s cold smoking out here) tock(yeh yeh nuvva second and it’ll be a whole 5
seconds later yay gibber gibber gibber gibber gibber)
Yeh works like a farking charm that does
Kirk, going mental.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 10 March 2006 12:32 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I ever

took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day, or
hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s
another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of
trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not

alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have
been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms,
headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me
from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first
time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to
avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever
do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance.
This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking
it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than
the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had
been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how
much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging
it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from
work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high
stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be
ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am
planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:32:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.<

One of the best (and only…well, not “only” but nearly “only”) thing I ever took from NA and other “rooms” was the above tactic- take it day by day, or hour by hour, or even minute by minutes. Whatever it takes (oops, there’s another one from the “rooms”) to keep yourself alive, happy and out of trouble, by all means, do it.
Very happy to hear from you Guy.
Keep posting, please.
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms, headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance. This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:35:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bloody hell you bastards with broadband.  Find smaller downloads lol.
Do you get Ali G’s show over there?  Bloody funny man.  Specially his
Russian character, Borat.
Check this out if you don’t http://www.disbealig.com/
yous need to check da ali g show coz it is for real well wicked and some
well wicked material on ‘erbal remedy. i do ‘ope yous all get to check ‘im
one day.
(have fun with the translation section lol)
Kirk xx
RESPECK

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 9 March 2006 2:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs

I nearly got myself in trouble waking up V, sleeping soundly behind me, when

watching the following video just now, unable to keep from laughing out loud

at parts.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ali-g-drugs-p1.php?fromrelated=1

Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

 

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:32:30 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

 

Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible.
Now you know.<

Preston, I fine screaming abusive and such therapies could do more harm
then good, it is terrible to be with people who think they
know better and show no respect to someone else is feelings.

Sara Glatt,

“When one is connected above,” he said
quietly, “he does not fall below.”
OINK OINK OINK OINK OINK…

LOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh boy Nick, why oh why does this comment not surprise me in the slightest
bit?
Seriously though, I do appreciate your commentary. And I was just this
second saying to V that “I can’t wait to meet this Nick Sandberg cat, and
I
know I’m someday gonna.”
Just don’t yell at me, ok?
;-))
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on the phone
but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to get
loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This is
how
you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to start putting
this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re
really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of
anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used to
anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + wtf
needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath that, anger
is
actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly.
Therapy,
man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom. This is your
pathway, man. That’s what I see.

Love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000
Issue
1688

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that. Anyway I love
you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning.
I’ll
be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:21:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We need Sara”s in every country. So get cloning you.

love, Jasen

Kirk writes:-
And get cloning you too boy!  We need Jasen’s in every galaxy.

Ahmen.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] drug baron’s evil wares destroyed
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:05:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s my JOB Callie.
It’s nearly all I do all day long, read and research War on Some Drugs and Users crap. Occasionally it’s not as depressing or infuriating a job as it usually is.
;-))
Like those days when I find a whole slew of gems like those videoclips I sent yesterday.
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] drug baron’s evil wares destroyed

lol! Where do you find this stuff!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Callie

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs
Date: March 9, 2006 at 6:00:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

can’t yet watch this, as V just lay down to sleep, again. Grrr. Our schedule is so weird.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Crooked Eye
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs

http://ts.searching.com/torrent/375549/Nine_lives_of_Fritz_the_Cat_final  me too, this is classic…

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I nearly got myself in trouble waking up V, sleeping soundly behind me, when
watching the following video just now, unable to keep from laughing out loud
at parts.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ali-g-drugs-p1.php?fromrelated=1

Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 9, 2006 at 5:54:31 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know.<

LOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh boy Nick, why oh why does this comment not surprise me in the slightest bit?
Seriously though, I do appreciate your commentary. And I was just this second saying to V that “I can’t wait to meet this Nick Sandberg cat, and I know I’m someday gonna.”
Just don’t yell at me, ok?
;-))
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on the phone but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This is how you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to start putting this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used to anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + wtf needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath that, anger is actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly. Therapy, man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom. This is your pathway, man. That’s what I see.

Love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that. Anyway I love you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning. I’ll be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 9, 2006 at 5:04:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

cool!

 

Hi Sara,

Chi is in Australia (Brisbane),..when she is ready I will be there for
her.

I have been talking to Chi for a few months now,…great girl,..very
keen.
So no worries she will have someone there for her when she is ready.

We need Sara”s in every country. So get cloning you.

love, Jasen

 

—– Original Message —–
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he
never
has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s
on
the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of
methadone
and
have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a
lot
about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
money
together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the
same
time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
appreciated …. chi

advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 9, 2006 at 4:25:52 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara,

Chi is in Australia (Brisbane),..when she is ready I will be there for her.

I have been talking to Chi for a few months now,…great girl,..very keen.
So no worries she will have someone there for her when she is ready.

We need Sara”s in every country. So get cloning you.

love, Jasen

 

—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he never
has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s on
the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of methadone
and
have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a lot
about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
money
together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the same
time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
appreciated …. chi

advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 9, 2006 at 2:08:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he never
has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s on
the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me
better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of methadone
and
have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a lot
about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the
money
together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the same
time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much
appreciated …. chi

advice: don’t do it yourself!!!

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:08:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keep On guy.
16th day for me tomorrow….. but that’s since I last visited the chemist for my chug of Drone.
Don’t miss it at all, but I was stable and often forgot about going down til slite symptoms set in, so yeh don’t miss it at all.
Anyway, all the best to you.
Anything is possible, we just have to know it’s so.
Look at the crap we learnt to create…..flip it…..make it……. Um… good crap? Lol
Love to all
Koiky xxx
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 March 2006 6:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms, headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance. This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 9, 2006 at 1:02:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geez these bloody people who just hit FORWARD and we have to sift thru a ton
of damn arrows. Do yu know how long I take deleting out those annoying
little buggers before I send it on?
Heheheheheh
Cheers to my luverly aussie angel
:oP
Koiky xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2006 10:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not

 

This is  interesting

Subject: Fw: 2 tough questions – Test your moral and
character

2 tough questions – Test your  moral
and  character
Question  1:

If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids
already,  three
who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded,

and she  had
syphilis, would you recommend that she have an
abortion?

Read the next question before looking at the response
for this  one.

Question  2:

It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your
vote  counts.
Here are the facts about the three  candidates.

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and
consults  with
astrologist. He’s had two mistresses. He also chain
smokes  and
drinks 8 to 10 martinis a  day.

Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice,  sleeps
until
noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of
whiskey every  evening.

Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He’s  a
vegetarian,
doesn’t smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never
cheated  on  his  wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide
first…  no
peeking,then scroll down for the  response.

 

 

Candidate A is Franklin D.  Roosevelt.

Candidate B is Winston  Churchill.

Candidate C is Adolph  Hitler.

 

 

And, by the way, on your answer to the abortion question:

If  you
said YES, you just killed Beethoven. Pretty interesting
isn’t it?  Makes
a person think before judging someone. Wait till you see
the end  of
this note! Keep  reading..

Never be afraid to try something  new.

Remember:
Amateurs…built the  ark.
Professionals…built the  Titanic

And Finally, can you imagine working for a company that
has   a
little more than 500 employees and has the  following
statistics:

* 29 have been accused of spousal  abuse
* 7 have been arrested for  fraud
* 19 have been accused of writing bad  checks
* 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least  2
businesses
* 3 have done time for  assault
* 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad  credit
* 14 have been arrested on drug-related  charges
* 8 have been arrested for  shoplifting
* 21 are currently defendants in  lawsuits
* 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the  last
year…

Can you guess which organization this  is?

 

 

Give up  yet?

 

 

 

It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress. The
same  group
that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed
to keep the  rest
of us in  line.

You gotta pass this on…

Emma Tait
Manager
Shift Natural Fashion
574B Johnson St
VICTOIA  BC  CANADA
V8W 1M3
(250) 385 7443

swtuvShift gears towards real, sustainable change!vutws

 

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]More of me or maybe not??????????
Date: March 9, 2006 at 12:12:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t remember really moving but I do remember Christi making up a real cool bedroom for me down by the river. I had burnt every bridge that I thought I had. About the time I came to, the fire burning real hard in the fireplace was the first thing I noticed. I was sick I knew that, and just what the fuck is everyone laughing about in there? Better check myself……..I have clothes on……………….I haven’t pissed my paints………………..hell, somebody made me take a shower. I’m actually in pajama’s!!!!! OOOOOO yea know I remember, we had to have fucked for hours. I wont go into that. I can still smile about it though. I know that we have some Dilaudids left, I stole them myself, and I know that these people would never fuck me over for them all, they know me better than that. Soooooo I get up and pull my hair back and walk into the living room. The whole band is there. I walk over to the coffee table thinking “I don’t look that fucked up……do I? and grab the bottle of Jack sitting there and take a long pull for Bukowski’s sake and holler I love Charles. The silence in the room is golden. They have no idea who I am talking about. “Well?? what’s ups guys? Paul asks me, “Do you think you can practice?” Sure (yawn) lets do that Skinnard song you been workin’ on. But first I have to talk to ya about something. When we get in his bedroom I ask “where’s the 4’s?” “We only have 10 left and Mike wants 2 of those.” Fuck him they are mine, give ’em here. “Got any fits left?” Yea I got a new box at work today. Do you realize you have been asleep for 24 hour’s? Really? (no surprise) What day is it? It’s Tuesday. Just give me the Dilaudids and a new fit. I can hear the buzz of the tube amps as the guys turn them on. And that bangin’ ass drummer. I crush 2, pour them in the fit and pull up half enough water, then shake like hell. As I’m pulling up just a little more water I hear my buddy in the room talking about we need more dope. “I’ve got something in mind” I say about the time I find a vein. I could have sworn I had about 30 when I got here. But what the fuck, I’m buzzed and the PA is on, so we play. Not real well, but we play.
Next day and the sky is charcoal gray, it was dreary down town day, but here on the end of my 30 foot leash is my little dog Q……….you get the point. The guys wouldn’t get that either. These guys want to fight punk rockers. I think it’s cool and say so. Just another reason not to be trusted. I guess it was enough makin’ ’em play that Wild Cherry song. I Dooooooo love the funk. Always have. I have one 4 left and everyone is asleep but me. Let’s take stock here. We have 500 blue valium’s, 10000 Placidyl’s and who know’s how much speed we have but NOOOOOOO NARCOTICS. Time to do a store.          Tell ya later      Randy

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 16 days
Date: March 9, 2006 at 12:08:37 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi everybody, I have been reading you all every day and good to know I’m not alone!!!!!
Its been 16 days since my ibo blast and still clean. Must say that I have been struggling a bit physically with stomach cramps, sweaty palms, headaches etc. But they are dealable with. Stuff keeps coming back to me from the Ibo blast and everyday my thinking seems clearer and for the first time ever I can recognize old dangerous patterns and triggers and how to avoid them. I realize that if I use again it may be the last thing I ever do. I have this overwhelming feeling that I have been given a last chance. This scares me, especially with my history of relapse!!!. I am just taking it hour by hour, day by day.. Each morning that I wake up feels better than the morning before. I can also for the first time see the hole that I had been digging. Now I am standing at the bottom of my hole and I realise how much work I have to do to full it in. But thank God I have stopped digging it any deeper. I originally had planned to take off about one week from work, this has become two and I go back to work on Monday. I have a high stress job in which I am expected perform without excuses. I feel I will be ready by Monday!?!?!
I thank the “big power thing” that I am alive today and clean and am planning on doing what ever it takes to stay this way.

Love and strength to all.
We have to believe we can beat our disease.
Guy

 

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 6, 2006 at 4:01:53 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

>>       This is  interesting
>>
>>
>>              Subject: Fw: 2 tough questions – Test your moral and
>>  character
>>
>>
>>               2 tough questions – Test your  moral
>>               and  character
>>               Question  1:
>>
>>               If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids
>>already,  three
>>              who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded,

>>and she  had
>>               syphilis, would you recommend that she have an >> abortion?
>>
>>               Read the next question before looking at the response
>>for this  one.
>>
>>               Question  2:
>>
>>               It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your
>>vote  counts.
>>               Here are the facts about the three  candidates.
>>
>>               Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and
>>consults  with
>>               astrologist. He’s had two mistresses. He also chain
>>smokes  and
>>               drinks 8 to 10 martinis a  day.
>>
>>               Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice,  sleeps
until
>>               noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of
>>whiskey every  evening.
>>
>>               Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He’s  a
vegetarian,
>>               doesn’t smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never
>>cheated  on  his  wife.
>>
>>
>>               Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide
>>first…  no
>>               peeking,then scroll down for the  response.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>               Candidate A is Franklin D.  Roosevelt.
>>
>>               Candidate B is Winston  Churchill.
>>
>>               Candidate C is Adolph  Hitler.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>              And, by the way, on your answer to the abortion question:

>>If  you
>>              said YES, you just killed Beethoven. Pretty interesting
>>isn’t it?  Makes
>>              a person think before judging someone. Wait till you see
>>the end  of
>>              this note! Keep  reading..
>>
>>               Never be afraid to try something  new.
>>
>>
>>               Remember:
>>               Amateurs…built the  ark.
>>               Professionals…built the  Titanic
>>
>>               And Finally, can you imagine working for a company that
>>has   a
>>               little more than 500 employees and has the  following
>>statistics:
>>
>>
>>               * 29 have been accused of spousal  abuse
>>               * 7 have been arrested for  fraud
>>               * 19 have been accused of writing bad  checks
>>               * 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least  2
>>businesses
>>               * 3 have done time for  assault
>>               * 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad  credit
>>               * 14 have been arrested on drug-related  charges
>>               * 8 have been arrested for  shoplifting
>>              * 21 are currently defendants in  lawsuits
>>               * 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the  last
>>year…
>>
>>
>>               Can you guess which organization this  is?

 

 

>>               Give up  yet?

 

 

 

It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress. The
>>same  group
>>               that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed
>>to keep the  rest
>>               of us in  line.
>>
>>               You gotta pass this on…

Emma Tait
Manager
Shift Natural Fashion
574B Johnson St
VICTOIA  BC  CANADA
V8W 1M3
(250) 385 7443

swtuvShift gears towards real, sustainable change!vutws

 

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 8, 2006 at 7:58:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Chi,

I see you are well,..good going girl. I am glad you are here on the list.

Keep on doing what you are doing,..Kung Fu classes are great. You
are looking much better.

Your sons father Claude sounds like he genuinley wants to understand
and help in whatever way he can. Good on ya Claude.

I am here when you need me,..ready when you are. You have already
started to lay the foundations.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he never has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s on the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of methadone and have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a lot about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the money together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the same time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much appreciated …. chi

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] drug baron’s evil wares destroyed
Date: March 8, 2006 at 7:00:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

lol! Where do you find this stuff!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Callie

 

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 8, 2006 at 4:35:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I sent this already,….computers,..I dunno know
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

Hey Randy,

Your right on topic brother. Trying to be politicly correct is sometimes what fu*ks us up in the first place.I’m getting your feelings and I like it. Your a special one you are
Randy, thats why I feel you in my heart when I read your messages,..you are easy to re-member with,..to connect with. I believe what you are feeling is very normal for
people that have experienced addiction,..we are all trying to walk without our crutch and sometimes it gets hard.

I love you brother.

I am so glad that you are going to be writng more on this fabulous list,..I love reading you. You are right,..this is a good form of therapy,..it has and is for me and I am sure
many others. Thankyou Patrick,..I saw you you at Kirsty’s place on “Rite of passage” very cool.

Randy,..you are a rock. Maybe,..hey,..just maybe we need to study therapy so we can give people what we have not been able to get the last twenty years or so,..a
good psycho therapist,..fu*k man,..we are in an ideal position to make a difference. You are already making a difference. Just a thought. Although i must say I did meet
a couple of good therapists in my time and one was a Gestalt Therapist,..the others did not have a fu*ken clue.

I love you brother.

You are most definatley worthy. The quest continues.

with love, your brother Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] regae ambassador talks shit
Date: March 8, 2006 at 9:05:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/ali-g-smoking-p1.php?fromrelated=1
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’ Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: “cm” <cm67@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 7, 2006 at 7:20:32 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi all this is my 1st time on the list, using my partners puter – he never has been a drug user aside the odd spot of party speed 15yrs ago. he’s on the list to try and see what it is im going through and understand me better. at present i havent used since november, was on 80m of methadone and have reduced down to 60 in the last month. ive already read/talked a lot about ibogaine with someone who’s been there and am waiting to get the money together to do it myself. scared but excited at the prospect at the same time. any advice/help from anyone on the list on the list would be much appreciated …. chi

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs
Date: March 8, 2006 at 10:00:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://ts.searching.com/torrent/375549/Nine_lives_of_Fritz_the_Cat_final  me too, this is classic…

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I nearly got myself in trouble waking up V, sleeping soundly behind me, when
watching the following video just now, unable to keep from laughing out loud
at parts.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ali-g-drugs-p1.php?fromrelated=1

Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] drug baron’s evil wares destroyed
Date: March 8, 2006 at 9:25:10 AM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yet another hilarious reporting job.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/news-p1.php

What I wouldn’t give for this assignment, even if it’s “only” a skit.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’ Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 8, 2006 at 11:55:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Kirky!! I’m so happy for you! Hey I was gonna mention that I’ve had alot of trouble with my jaw since sober, and a chiropractor has helped alot, as well as acupuncture, anyways…hang tight for now ,itll get better, love shell

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Hi Kirk,

Methadone is a pain medication.  Possibly, it was covering up an existing condition.  Do you think the pain is dental or structural to your jaw?  Possibly, you should see a dentist or doctor to have it looked into.

Howard

In a message dated 3/7/06 9:58:37 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

Heh, I won’t tell you how much I touched up the photo then lol
Thx Callie J
I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone.  Whenever I eat something I get pain or something in my jaw… it’s weird, never experienced that before…
Day 14.  tick tock tick tock.
Love
Kirk xx

 

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 8, 2006 at 12:03:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t flail too much, Randy. I never met you or spoke to you on the phone but I feel what you write and I resonate with it. Ok, so you like to get loaded and scream at people. It’s not so terrible. Now you know. This is how you are at times. No judgments. If you can take the risk to start putting this energy out in more a therapy/encounter type situation then you’re really going to start to get positive change fast. People are scared of anger, it bothers them. If you freak out at people who aren’t so used to anger then you can get a lot of reactions back and it’s difficult, + wtf needs to be woken up by some ranting lunatic? But, underneath that, anger is actually OK and a great tool to have when you can use it properly. Therapy, man, encounter stuff, emotional release, it’s really freedom. This is your pathway, man. That’s what I see.

Love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 07 March 2006 13:42
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that. Anyway I love you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning. I’ll be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

 

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 8, 2006 at 11:53:37 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink,

I’m good. Busy organizing a music-meditation festival over here
www.puravida.uk.com + helping run the centre here. It’s fun…mostly! Also
busy with my relationship and trying to create it so that we are both happy,
I like to date a bit, she not so much. I figure it’s this kind of man-woman
stuff we’re here to work out, well for me anyway.

love

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 17:09
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

well said, nick…
how are you, btw?
love tink

On 3/6/06, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Randy,

It sounds like you’re the same as most of us. You push people away coz
you’re scared of love, you freak out with all kinds of crazy
shit at people
so they can reject you and you can say “They didn’t mean it, I knew you
wouldn’t love me when you saw me like this”. I’ve done it, it’s routine
stuff, but you can still go crazy or kill yourself like this. It happens
easily. You need to get help, man. Really. Or it sounds to me
like you will
wind up dead soon. You have to find some therapy stuff and
start to talk.
Start to open up. And don’t say you did it all before (just in
case you were
going to). Otherwise, seems to me you’re just fucking with your friends’
minds, with their love and good will. You have to get
responsible for how
you are. You have to start laying your shit in a more
therapeutic situation,
man, where you can be confronted, and start to go into the feelings
underneath. Not just dump on your friends. That’s a child’s game.

Nick

 

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 00:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 00:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I want to thank everybody for being my friend. God knows I need you all.
Callie, I love you too. If it weren’t for you I wouldn’t have
stayed on the
list like I did. I’m in KY and your in Tennessee, same
difference aint it?
Kirk, I am so proud of you for doing what you did. I really
want to meet you
and Jasen someday. I’ve met a lot of really good people through
this list
I’ve made a vow to myself to at least write every day and leak
a little of
my very intense feelings. I wish I didn’t feel so deeply, it
hurts like hell
sometimes and other times I’m so happy it’s like a drug or something.
Patrick, you are the fucking man. Thanx for calling and thanx
for getting
the list out here for all of us. God is making a list or two and you are
deffenitly on the good one my brutha. I made a complete ass of
myself last
night and if it weren’t for the people I have met through this
list I think
I would have blown my brains out or something today. I can’t drink
responsibly, (besides what fun is that?) I’m an alcoholic. Yea, I didn’t
shoot any dope or hit the fuckin’ crack pipe but I fucked up. I
said some
things that I didn’t mean to the people that I love the most. I
don’t know
what I was thinking. I don’t remember most of it. So at this
point I guess
you could tell me I said anything or did anything last night and I would
have to believe it. But on the bright side my asshole doesn’t hurt and I
still have all of my facilities.(it’s a joke, please laugh at your
convenience) I’m so depressed right now. I need to get back to playing
music. I play a little but most of the time I just wish I was. I quit
everything in the name of Ibogaine, even playin’ the blues. I
need to be in
a band that plays every weekend and have something to take my
mind off of
all the shit that comes up in this world. Ibogaine changed me
forever but I
have to move on and do some more things for my own sanity. I may do a
booster tomorrow night though. It seems to help ground me. Soooooooooooo
thank you all for being here and letting me rant. I love you
Randy

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ali g’s in-depth investigation into drugs
Date: March 8, 2006 at 8:46:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I nearly got myself in trouble waking up V, sleeping soundly behind me, when watching the following video just now, unable to keep from laughing out loud at parts.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ali-g-drugs-p1.php?fromrelated=1

Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: March 8, 2006 at 6:07:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes I agree. Does this imply that if you eat the right foods you ain’t going to cluck off of endorphine agonist type substances. I do not think so.
I grant you, eat well and sleep well. Less stress. Plus a lot of foods we eat are full of junk, but until I can go to Big Mac and get a Hamberger and salad that will stop me from withdrawing, then I shall stick to eating food that I know were it came from.
Report from Russia: Macdonalds started a chain of fast food outlets in the then Soviat Union. The government was so tight on beef rations at the time that the Burgers being sold , had no beef in them at all. They used minced earth worms. They farmed the worms on all good veggy waste, and then put them in bins full of flour, for 4 days. The worms ate the flour and passed the earth and debrie out. Then they minced the worms and made burgers from them. Very high in protien. Do you know what you are eating, when you go to the local chinky or any of the fast and funky food stores that you eat at?

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:13:22 -0600

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Oh, but I must stress that I am right there with you on the Food idea helping balance us out, having recently rediscovered eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —–
From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run
To: drugwar@mindvox.com ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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mistaken for madness”
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 2:21:25 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

Your right on topic brother. Trying to be politicly correct is sometimes what fu*ks us up in the first place.I’m getting your feelings and I like it. Your a special one you are
Randy, thats why I feel you in my heart when I read your messages,..you are easy to re-member with,..to connect with. I believe what you are feeling is very normal for
people that have experienced addiction,..we are all trying to walk without our crutch and sometimes it gets hard.

I love you brother.

I am so glad that you are going to be writng more on this fabulous list,..I love reading you. You are right,..this is a good form of therapy,..it has and is for me and I am sure
many others. Thankyou Patrick,..I saw you you at Kirsty’s place on “Rite of passage” very cool.

Randy,..you are a rock. Maybe,..hey,..just maybe we need to study therapy so we can give people what we have not been able to get the last twenty years or so,..a
good psycho therapist,..fu*k man,..we are in an ideal position to make a difference. You are already making a difference. Just a thought. Although i must say I did meet
a couple of good therapists in my time and one was a Gestalt Therapist,..the others did not have a fu*ken clue.

I love you brother.

You are most definatley worthy. The quest continues.

with love, your brother Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 8, 2006 at 12:58:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yayy thx Randy, though I still stand by the Wierdo title…. Lol
Yehhhh man, Jasen is like that……….we just have to remember all the shit he gave us in past lives LMAO………..
Just waiting to hear back from massage therapist….if you can Randy, if this therapist you want to go to is a professional, she’ll handle anything that “pops up” with cool and professionalism.  Very common for guys, us girls can hide it a bit better lol.  Just ask her to stay away from the Gluts. That apparently is the “raising” area. Lol  But get some done… it’s holding my recovery back.  Pain sux. I got two whiplashes untreated (farking Dunedin drivers grrrrrrr)
Did I mention how amazing my daughter is?  She’s been such a rock since everyone left.  Love her heaps.
And alla ewes…..
Koiky xxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 6:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

In a message dated 3/7/06 9:58:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:
I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone
Kirk, I got some kind of weird sensation coming off of methadone like you are describing. When I would start to eat it was like my mouth was super sensitive and would water and hurt like that. Sounds just like what you are describing. It will go away soon if you are at day 14. By the way I love the photo. You and Jasen looked so much like I imagined you would it gave me cold chills. Especially Jasen. I swear I knew just what he looked like.   Love and Kiwi’s    Randy.

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] re: jaw pain
Date: March 8, 2006 at 12:39:04 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes I have suffered from TMJ in the past, but the rest of the time my jaw is fine, I just get this rush when I eat certain foods, it feels more like overexcited taste buds and the sensation ends up in the jaw LOL, either that or I just a weirdo OHHH hang on we already established that!!!!
Thx Howard,  man of mega info ;o)
Koiky xx
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 5:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

Hi Kirk,

Methadone is a pain medication.  Possibly, it was covering up an existing condition.  Do you think the pain is dental or structural to your jaw?  Possibly, you should see a dentist or doctor to have it looked into.

Howard

In a message dated 3/7/06 9:58:37 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:
Heh, I won’t tell you how much I touched up the photo then lol
Thx Callie J
I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone.  Whenever I eat something I get pain or something in my jaw… it’s weird, never experienced that before…
Day 14.  tick tock tick tock.
Love
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 8, 2006 at 12:39:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/7/06 9:58:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone

Kirk, I got some kind of weird sensation coming off of methadone like you are describing. When I would start to eat it was like my mouth was super sensitive and would water and hurt like that. Sounds just like what you are describing. It will go away soon if you are at day 14. By the way I love the photo. You and Jasen looked so much like I imagined you would it gave me cold chills. Especially Jasen. I swear I knew just what he looked like.   Love and Kiwi’s    Randy.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 7, 2006 at 11:01:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Kirk,

Methadone is a pain medication.  Possibly, it was covering up an existing condition.  Do you think the pain is dental or structural to your jaw?  Possibly, you should see a dentist or doctor to have it looked into.

Howard

In a message dated 3/7/06 9:58:37 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

Heh, I won’t tell you how much I touched up the photo then lol
Thx Callie J
I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone.  Whenever I eat something I get pain or something in my jaw… it’s weird, never experienced that before…
Day 14.  tick tock tick tock.
Love
Kirk xx

 

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:37:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, I won’t tell you how much I touched up the photo then lol
Thx Callie J
I was wondering if anyone else got a sensitivity in their jaw after doing Ibogaine, coming off methadone.  Whenever I eat something I get pain or something in my jaw… it’s weird, never experienced that before…
Day 14.  tick tock tick tock.
Love
Kirk xx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2006 3:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:32:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very nice looking folks! you guys are as beautiful as I imagined!
Callie

 

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:39:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The blog has nothing to do with ibogaine and is mostly about the
author’s infatuation with Alex Grey, but it has a good photo from what
was probably the COSM conference:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2946703&blogID=95215793

.:vector:.

— BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/6/06 6:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass

Thanx Marc, I hope your right. I don’t feel like this will ever pass.
I feel
like I have lost a loved one or something. I suffer from depression
and may
even be a little manic. I’m not a shrink I don’t know, I just know
that watching
everybody else go about life it looks so easy to do but impossible
for me to
accomplish. I can get things done no doubt about it but sometimes I
shut down
and isolate. That’s where I am right now. Locked in a hotel room
feeling
miserable and frightened. I know who is reading this sometimes and I
don’t care
anymore I’m writing this for my own sanity. I personally think that
anything said
here should stay here but maybe that’s just the AA in me, I know it’s
not
that way. So fuckin’ be it. I aint said Blow Me here in a while maybe
that is my
problem. I know what I want to do and I know I have the best
intentions I’m
just screwed in the head like everybody else here. He He I already
feel better
just writing. I’m making a plan Mark. It aint easy to do right now
with what
I’ve got to work with but I’ll get past this. I know it. I refuse to
let the
fuckers grind me down like Gatewood Galbreth likes to say. O by the
way yall,
Gatewood is putting his book out in paper back and it has an updated
chapter in
it about Ibogaine. He’s a great dude. I’m not spamming the list here
for him I
just thought you all would like to know about it.    PS Peaches and
Regalia is
a Frank Zappa instrumental with George Duke on keyboards (I think)
Preston
Thanx for the cyber hugs. Even you NIck, I trust your intentions.

Randy

 

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Photos
Date: March 7, 2006 at 4:38:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here ya go. This is me, Jasen and my oldest and dearest mate who was conveniently over from Dublin for a holiday. We are at the top of what used to be the steepest street in Dunedin, Baldwin st. but apparently San Fran has a steeper one but they can just go get fuk’d. We don’t care.

 

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 7, 2006 at 10:34:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The blog has nothing to do with ibogaine and is mostly about the
author’s infatuation with Alex Grey, but it has a good photo from what
was probably the COSM conference:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2946703&blogID=95215793

.:vector:.

— BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/6/06 6:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass

Thanx Marc, I hope your right. I don’t feel like this will ever pass.
I feel
like I have lost a loved one or something. I suffer from depression
and may
even be a little manic. I’m not a shrink I don’t know, I just know
that watching
everybody else go about life it looks so easy to do but impossible
for me to
accomplish. I can get things done no doubt about it but sometimes I
shut down
and isolate. That’s where I am right now. Locked in a hotel room
feeling
miserable and frightened. I know who is reading this sometimes and I
don’t care
anymore I’m writing this for my own sanity. I personally think that
anything said
here should stay here but maybe that’s just the AA in me, I know it’s
not
that way. So fuckin’ be it. I aint said Blow Me here in a while maybe
that is my
problem. I know what I want to do and I know I have the best
intentions I’m
just screwed in the head like everybody else here. He He I already
feel better
just writing. I’m making a plan Mark. It aint easy to do right now
with what
I’ve got to work with but I’ll get past this. I know it. I refuse to
let the
fuckers grind me down like Gatewood Galbreth likes to say. O by the
way yall,
Gatewood is putting his book out in paper back and it has an updated
chapter in
it about Ibogaine. He’s a great dude. I’m not spamming the list here
for him I
just thought you all would like to know about it.    PS Peaches and
Regalia is
a Frank Zappa instrumental with George Duke on keyboards (I think)
Preston
Thanx for the cyber hugs. Even you NIck, I trust your intentions.

Randy

 

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] COSM Photo
Date: March 7, 2006 at 3:26:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The blog has nothing to do with ibogaine and is mostly about the
author’s infatuation with Alex Grey, but it has a good photo from what
was probably the COSM conference:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2946703&blogID=95215793

.:vector:.

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 3:02:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree. I spent so many years falling into those holes that I started to furnish them.  Now I walk on the other side of the street.
From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date:  Tue, 7 Mar 2006 06:59:40 -0500
>Yeah, I gotta second Randy here. Great poem, thanks.
>Peace and love.
>—–
>”Nobody said it would be fair.
>But in the end I think it is.
>Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
>it’s really there just keep looking for it.
>Nobody said it would be fair.
>They warned you before you went out there.
>But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
>to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
>Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor Underground
>Editor Under the Influence
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44
>-0000 Issue 1688
>
>
>In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s
>last
>post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
>maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.
>
>I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I
>feel
>very connected to many of you!
>
>With warm wishes and respect,
>Tiger
>
>
>
>
>Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to
>see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and
>haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me
>all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t
>know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty
>good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to
>hear more from you in the future.     Love and light Randy
>
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cocaine, Kate and the media: Just who is the bad influence?
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:20:20 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I feel there is something pertinent to all three of these lists (and those I’ve blind copied this to), hence my cross-posting so openly, without qualm nor hesitation.

Craig Morris, who has contributed previously to DrugWar.com and to Under the Influence, has done me the honor of submitting the following new editorial article about the portrayal of Kate Moss’ cocaine use and cocaine use in general by the media, primarily the UK media in his piece but relative to media protrayal of drug issues all over the prohibitionist world. I’ve added a number of links and illustrations, and invite you all to read and hopefully link to this well argued editorial.

Feel free to newshawk this to MAPInc. too btw, if anyone else thinks it deserves archiving.
Peace and love and a great big thank you to Craig.

I do accept submissions to DrugWar.com btw, but do not pay at this time. That said, if anyone has anything pro OR con in terms of the war on drugs, or drugs in any way shape or form and want a place to post your viewpoint(s), I’ll be happy to read and consider posting them at DrugWar.com.

http://www.drugwar.com/morrismoss.shtm

Cocaine, Kate and the media: Just who is the bad influence?
By Craig Morris
for DrugWar.com
posted at DrugWar.com
March 7, 2006

(image)
Apothecary Jar c. 1880.
Image from the Chicago Historical Society
(Archived at Erowid.org)

Once again, society is in the grip of another media led, drug-related moral panic. This time (in the UK specifically) the drug in question is cocaine. However, similar waves of media hysteria can be seen historically around drugs and young people-from reefer madness myths around cannabis in the 1930s in the US to acid house/rave and ecstasy in the late 1980s in the UK. The truth is that especially in the tabloid press, social anxiety sells and drug-related stories are among the best sellers.

Whilst some journalists and newspapers are better than others in terms of factuality and understanding drug issues, most will have problems simply because they do not make recourse to expert knowledge on the subject (Coomber, Morris and Dunn, 2000). Much of what they think is true about drugs and drug users is often nonsense. Journalists are trained in finding and producing stories, they are not experts in the field of substance use. Entertaining stories they may often be, but factual insight may not often be on top of the list of priorities. Much of the media (especially in the tabloid press market) is far more interested in a good story (i.e. one that will generate sales) than a factual/educational one.

Whilst there has been an undercurrent of concern in the British media about growing cocaine use by young people for a few years now, the current wave of cocaine media coverage seems to have begun with a front cover photo story of the fashion supermodel Kate Moss and her alleged cocaine use in The Daily Mirror on September 15th, 2005. Whether or not Kate Moss did or even still does use cocaine is not the focus of this article. I am more interested in the consequences of the media coverage and social anxieties which seem to coalesce around the idea that Moss is a role-model for some young people.
snip-
Read Article at above URL
—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 6:59:40 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I gotta second Randy here. Great poem, thanks.
Peace and love.
—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

 

Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to hear more from you in the future.     Love and light Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:29:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I gotta admit that while I don’t make doohicky from my “job,” I really do love what I do for the most part to make a living.
Peace and love.
—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]

I am really beginning to hate my job too! That is all I have this morning! Just really wishing I could stay home and be a housewife, even tho I am not a wife!!
Callie

 

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 9:45:55 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Patrick, thanks for making my morning and putting everything into
perspective. It would be cool if you posted to your own list more
often, back in the day 2001, 2002 you used to talk a lot more, other
then the info content your msgs are funny shit. Drop a line once a
month or so 😉 Good luck Randy, you look like you’re in good hands but
living up to examples set by Dana Beal is hard work!

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:11 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s

last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below],
and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I

feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

 

Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to

see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and

haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me

all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t

know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty
good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to
hear more from you in the future.     Love and light   Randy

Uhm … Randy…  You’ve been extremely naughty and BAD.  You kinda
skipped conveniently right over that part where you threatened to
kill people, when we talked on the phone…  Say you’re awfully,
extremely sorry, a lot, and explain how if you were not drunk out of

your fucking mind, you’d understand this is a BAD thing to
do.  …And then, add in, how you won’t ever, never, do it again,
cross your heart hope to die.  I mean, unless deMoni( forces swooOOP

down, run amok through your brain, and make you do TERRIBLE THINGS;
and I understand completely, shit happens, events spIn ouT of
Control, mistakes are made… additionally, probably your ID and
grandparent’s super-ego is inVolved; partially, some small tiny part,

may — in fact — be your fault.  But maybe not, that could be the
aliens too, you can never tell with these things (ibogaine was
originally planted in the Gabon by Junkie spaCe Aliens).

Go spank yourself and say 174 Hail Mary’s … Ya know, ALL OF THIS
could have been avoided had you gone to see a good transpersonal
therapisT; checked the ALIGMENT of the Planets, and RoTation (of the

TIRES (inside your mind)), before going Completely Fucking Berserk.

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think

Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

Department of Bioassays / University of Little Cuba

 

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 7:14:22 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?<

LOL, no, of COURSE Dana wouldn’t. I can’t recall Dana EVER acting like a drunken lunati…errrr, ummm, heck…what was I scribbling?
Never mind. Carry on all.
Oh and Randy already apologized to ME, so….
;-))
(of course, I called later, after the violence and cursing, so perhaps I simply missed all that outta my always great luck and such. But he did apologize.)
Peace and love.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688

 

On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:11 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s  last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I  feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

 

Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to  see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and  haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me  all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t  know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty  good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to  hear more from you in the future.     Love and light   Randy

Uhm … Randy…  You’ve been extremely naughty and BAD.  You kinda skipped conveniently right over that part where you threatened to  kill people, when we talked on the phone…  Say you’re awfully,  extremely sorry, a lot, and explain how if you were not drunk out of  your fucking mind, you’d understand this is a BAD thing to  do.  …And then, add in, how you won’t ever, never, do it again,  cross your heart hope to die.  I mean, unless deMoni( forces swooOOP  down, run amok through your brain, and make you do TERRIBLE THINGS;  and I understand completely, shit happens, events spIn ouT of  Control, mistakes are made… additionally, probably your ID and  grandparent’s super-ego is inVolved; partially, some small tiny part,  may — in fact — be your fault.  But maybe not, that could be the  aliens too, you can never tell with these things (ibogaine was  originally planted in the Gabon by Junkie spaCe Aliens).

Go spank yourself and say 174 Hail Mary’s … Ya know, ALL OF THIS  could have been avoided had you gone to see a good transpersonal  therapisT; checked the ALIGMENT of the Planets, and RoTation (of the  TIRES (inside your mind)), before going Completely Fucking Berserk.

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

Department of Bioassays / University of Little Cuba

 

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: March 7, 2006 at 8:51:07 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am really beginning to hate my job too! That is all I have this morning! Just really wishing I could stay home and be a housewife, even tho I am not a wife!!
Callie

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 8:41:30 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/7/06 12:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, digital@phantom.com writes:

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think
Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of
Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

 

UUUUUUUhhhh Patrick I could have sworn that I told ya that. Anyway I love you mahn!!! I get your point. At least you made me laugh this morning. I’ll be very busy flailing myself today. Thank you Dr. Kroupa      Randy

From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]
Date: March 6, 2006 at 1:10:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I hate my fuckin JOB!!!! Okay just needed to verbalize it. Back to the grind.
Hang in the Randy. Sometimes tough love is the only thing that gets through to us.
Take some time for you. You got a lot to figure out brotha.
Love -M.

 

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] Fw: MedBoardWatch: 4th National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics, April 6-8, Santa Barbara, California
Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:01:15 -0500
>—– Original Message —– From: Frank Lucido MD
>To: Frank Lucido M.D.
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:17 AM
>Subject: MedBoardWatch: 4th National Clinical Conference on Cannabis
>Therapeutics, April 6-8, Santa Barbara, California
>
>
>Patients Out of Time
>The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
>The Mind-Body Connection
>April 6-8, 2006
>Santa Barbara, California
>
>Complete schedule posted at bottom of this email
>and at:
>http://www.medicalcannabis.com/conference.htm
>
>Register for conference at:
>http://www.medicalcannabis.com/registration/
>
>
>Don’t miss it!
>
>This is a great conference, and has much of core knowledge that
>medical cannabis-recommending physicians and other health care
>professionals should know, and also should be of interest to
>patients and patient advocates.
>(I attended the past two, and will be on a physicians’ panel with
>Dr. David Bearman and Dr. Arnold Leff this time.)
>(Agenda and Faculty list below.)
>
>
>peace and health,
>Frank Lucido M.D.
>www.DrLucido.com
>www.MedicalBoardWatch.com
>www.AIMLegal.org
>
>
>
>
>UCSF designates this activity for a maximum of 15.75 AMA PRA
>category 1 credits.
>The approved credits include 6.5 credits toward meeting Pain
>Management and End-of-Life Care.
>
>The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
>Santa Barbara, CA
>April 6-8, 2006
>Agenda
>Thursday, April 6
>
>7:00pm Registered Attendees and Faculty Reception at Val Verde,
>Santa Barbara, Exhibits, Music.
>
>Friday, April 7
>
>7:30 Registration – Continental Breakfast
>8:00 Opening Remarks; Donald Abrams MD, David Bearman MD, Harriet
>Miller
>8:30 Staying Safe: The Challenge (What You Don’t Know Will Hurt
>You); Mark Miller
>9:00 Cannabinoids and the Physics of Life; Robert Melamede, PhD
>9:40 Cannabis: Synthetic vs. Natural; Daniele Piomelli, PhD, PharmD
>10:00 Efficacy of Smoked Cannabis on Human Experimental Pain; Mark
>Wallace, MD
>10:20 Break
>10:40 Patients Experience Treating MS with Cannabis; Barbara
>Douglass and Montel Williams
>11:00 UK Experience With New Cannabis Medicines; Stuart Ratcliffe,
>MD
>11:30 The Current Status of Cannabinoid Research in Israel; Natalya
>Kogan, PhD
>12:00 Lunch Buffet: DEA/NIDA and the Obstruction of Privately Funded
>Research; Rick Doblin, PhD
>1:30 The Therapeutic Use of a Cannabis Project in Catalonia Spain:
>Information, Prescription and Research; Marta Duran Delmas, MD
>2:00 Canadian Pain and Cannabis; Mark Ware, MD, MRCP, MSc
>2:30 Pharmacy Grade Cannabis in The Netherlands; Marco van de Velde,
>PharmD
>2:50 Break
>3:10 Federal Patients, Are They Healthy?; Barbara Douglass, Irvin
>Rosenfeld, George McMahon, Elvy Musikka, Mary Lynn Mathre, RN, MSN,
>CARN
>
>3:50 Cannabis Spouses Speak; Deborah Rosenfeld, Nancy Cavanaugh, RN,
>Alice O’Leary, LPN, Joan Dangerfield
>4:30 Adjourn
>
>6:30 Patients Out of Time Benefit Dinner – Robert Randall Tribute
>-Auction- Live Band- Comedy.
>
>
>Saturday, April 8
>
>7:30 Registration – Continental Breakfast
>8:00 Opening Remarks: Marty Blum, JD, Allan Byrne, CA Nurses
>Association RN
>8:30 Cannabis in Pain and Palliative Care; Donald Abrams, MD
>9:00 Cannabis Use and Pregnancy; Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD, FAAN
>9:20 Therapeutic Cannabis Use During Pregnancy and It’s Efficacy
>Treating “Morning Sickness”; Philippe Lucas
>9:40 AIDS and Cannabis; Steven Hosea, MD
>10:00 Break
>10:20 Cannabis and Mental Health; Mitch Earleywine, PhD
>10:40 Clinical Implications of the Endocannabinoid System: PTSD, ADD
>and Beyond; David Bearman, MD
>11:00 PTSD Panel; Erin Hildebrandt, Allan Byrne, Christopher Largen
>11:40 Oregon Survey of Cannabis Applications; Edward Glick, RN
>12:00 Lunch Buffet: Patient Empowerment; William Britt, Russell
>Peterson, Rita Solinas PhD
>1:30 California Doctors, Medical Cannabis and the Medical Board:
>Safe and Appropriate Recommendations for a Safe and Effective
>Medicine; Frank Lucido, MD; Arnold Leff, MD; David Bearman, MD
>2:15 Break
>2:30 Medical Cannabis and the Public Policy Process; Jon Gettman,
>PhD
>3:00 Q&A Session, All Presenters; Mary Lynn Mathre, RN, MSN, CARN
>4:30 Adjourn
>
>
>UCSF designates this activity for a maximum of 15.75 AMA PRA
>category 1 credits.
>The approved credits include 6.5 credits toward meeting Pain
>Management and End-of-Life Care.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Faculty | Agenda | Register/Pay Online | top
>
>
>
>
>The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
>City College Santa Barbara, CA
>April 6-8, 2006
>
>Faculty
>
>Donald Abrams, MD Professor of Clinical Medicine and Head
>Hematology-Oncology Section, University of California, San
>Francisco, San Francisco General Hospital. *
>
>Michelle Aldrich Cannabis Historian, San Francisco, CA. *
>
>David Bearman, MD Practicing Physician, Santa Barbara, CA. *
>
>Marty Blum, JD Mayor, Santa Barbara, CA.
>
>William Britt Patient and Founder, Association of Patient Advocates,
>Long Beach, CA.
>
>California Nurses Association Representative.
>
>Nancy Cavanaugh, RN Widow of Cannabis Patient, West Hills, CA.
>
>Allan Byrne Co-founder, Patients Out of Time, Howardsville, VA. *
>
>Joan Dangerfield Widow of Cannabis Patient, Beverly Hills, CA.
>
>Marta Duran Delmas, MD Researcher, Fundacio Institut Catala de
>Farmocoligia, Barcelona, Spain.
>
>Rick Doblin, PhD Founder, Multidisciplinary Association of
>Psychedelic Studies, Sarasota, FL.
>
>Barbara Douglass IND Patient, MS, Lakeside, IA.
>
>Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD Dean College of Nursing, University of Iowa,
>Iowa City, IA.
>
>Mitch Earleywine, PhD Associate Professor, University of Albany, NY.
>*
>
>Jon Gettman, PhD Senior Fellow, George Mason University, Fairfax,
>VA.
>
>Ed Glick, RN Practicing Nurse, Monmouth, OR.
>
>Erin Hildebrandt Patient and Executive Director, Parents Ending
>Prohibition, Lafayette, OR.
>
>Steve Hosea, MD Infectious Disease Specialist, Hospitalist, Cottage
>Hospital, Santa Barbara, CA.
>
>Natalya Kogan, PhD Cannabinoid Researcher, The Hebrew University,
>Jerusalem, Israel.
>
>Christopher Largen Patient, Co-author of “Prescription Pot” and
>Author of “Junk”, Denton, TX.
>
>Arnold Leff, MD Clinical Faculty Stanford University, HIV Specialist
>PACE Clinic, San Jose, CA.
>
>Philippe Lucas Founder and Director Vancouver Island Compassion
>Society and Legal Canadian Cannabis Patient.
>
>Frank Lucido, MD Family Practice Physician, Berkeley, CA. Founder of
>MediclBoardWatch.com and AIMLegal.org.
>
>M.L.Mathre, RN,MSN,CARN Executive Director, Pantops Clinic,
>Co-founder, Patients Out of Time, Howardsville, VA.*
>
>George McMahon IND Patient, Nail Patella Syndrome; Co-author of
>“Prescription Pot”, Livermore, IA.
>
>B.J. Miller, MD Patient.
>
>Harriet Miller Former Mayor Santa Barbara, Former Executive director
>of AARP, Santa Barbara, CA.
>
>Mark A. Miller Drug Information Consultant, Comprehensive Drug
>Education Consultants, Oregon City, OR.
>
>Robert Melamede, PhD Associate Professor and Biology Chairman
>(ret.), Biology Department, University of Colorado, Colorado
>Springs, CO. Americans for Safe Access, Medical Advisory Board.
>
>Elvy Musikka IND Patient, Glaucoma, Eugene, OR.
>
>Alice O’Leary, LPN Co-founder of Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics,
>Sarasota, FL.
>
>Russell Peterson Patient, San Luis Obispo, CA.
>
>Daniele Piomelli, PhD Louise Turner Arnold Chair in the
>Neurosciences; Professor, Departments of Pharmacology and Biological
>Chemistry; Director, Center for Drug Discovery, University of
>California, Irvine, CA.
>
>Stuart Ratcliffe, MD Director, Barts Pain Research Group, Barts and
>the London NHS Trust, Barts, UK.
>
>Irvin Rosenfeld IND Patient, Multiple Congenital Cartilaginous
>Exostoses, Lauderhill, FL.
>
>Deborah Rosenfeld IND Patient’s Wife, Lauderhill, FL.
>
>
>Rita Solinas, PhD Patient, Santa Barbara, CA.
>
>M.J. van de Velde, PhD, MBA Head, Office of Medical Cannabis,
>Ministry of Health Welfare and Sports, The Netherlands.
>
>Mark S. Wallace, MD Professor of Clinical Anesthesiology, Director,
>Center for Pain and Palliative Care, University of California, San
>Diego.
>
>Mark Ware, MD, MRCP, MSc Assistant Professor of Family Medicine and
>Anesthesia, McGill University, Montreal, Canada.
>
>Montel Williams Patient, New York, NY.
>
>
>* Planning Committee
>
>
>
>
>
>Below are two hotels that have provided a reduced rate for the
>conference.
>These hotels are very close to the Santa Barbara City College
>campus.
>Reservations expire 60 days before April 6. Pets are allowed at the
>Best Western at a fee.
>
>ALL ROOMS IN SANTA BARBARA ARE NON-SMOKING.
>The hotels usually charge a $100 a day in addition to basic charges
>if there was smoking in the room.
>
>Make reservations asap to get special rates.
>
>
>Best Western
>Beachside Inn
>336 W Cabrillo Boulevard, Santa Barbara, California,
>United States, 93101-3855
>Phone: (805)965-6556 Fax: 805-966-6626
>Website: www.beachsideinn.com
>$155 a night ….mention “medical cannabis”
>
>
>Mason Beach Inn
>324 W. Mason St. Santa Barbara, California 93101
>Reservations: (805) 962-3203
>Toll-free: (800) 446-0444
>Fax: (805) 962-1056
>Website: www.masonbeachinn.com
>Thursday $98, Friday $129, Saturday $149
>mention “medical cannabis”
>
>
>
>
>Press and journalist contact: Al Byrne
>ph (434) 263-4484 fax (434) 263-6753
>Al@medicalcannabis.com
>
>
>
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not
Date: March 6, 2006 at 5:59:32 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: Fw: 2 tough questions. Off topic,..but not

 

 

>>       This is  interesting
>>
>>
>>              Subject: Fw: 2 tough questions – Test your moral and
>>  character
>>
>>
>>               2 tough questions – Test your  moral
>>               and  character
>>               Question  1:
>>
>>               If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids
>>already,  three
>>              who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally >> retarded,

>>and she  had
>>               syphilis, would you recommend that she have an >> abortion?
>>
>>               Read the next question before looking at the response
>>for this  one.
>>
>>               Question  2:
>>
>>               It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your
>>vote  counts.
>>               Here are the facts about the three  candidates.
>>
>>               Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and
>>consults  with
>>               astrologist. He’s had two mistresses. He also chain
>>smokes  and
>>               drinks 8 to 10 martinis a  day.
>>
>>               Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice,  sleeps
until
>>               noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of
>>whiskey every  evening.
>>
>>               Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He’s  a
vegetarian,
>>               doesn’t smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never
>>cheated  on  his  wife.
>>
>>
>>               Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide
>>first…  no
>>               peeking,then scroll down for the  response.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>               Candidate A is Franklin D.  Roosevelt.
>>
>>               Candidate B is Winston  Churchill.
>>
>>               Candidate C is Adolph  Hitler.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>              And, by the way, on your answer to the abortion >> question:

>>If  you
>>              said YES, you just killed Beethoven. Pretty interesting
>>isn’t it?  Makes
>>              a person think before judging someone. Wait till you see
>>the end  of
>>              this note! Keep  reading..
>>
>>               Never be afraid to try something  new.
>>
>>
>>               Remember:
>>               Amateurs…built the  ark.
>>               Professionals…built the  Titanic
>>
>>               And Finally, can you imagine working for a company that
>>has   a
>>               little more than 500 employees and has the  following
>>statistics:
>>
>>
>>               * 29 have been accused of spousal  abuse
>>               * 7 have been arrested for  fraud
>>               * 19 have been accused of writing bad  checks
>>               * 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least >> 2
>>businesses
>>               * 3 have done time for  assault
>>               * 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad  credit
>>               * 14 have been arrested on drug-related  charges
>>               * 8 have been arrested for  shoplifting
>>              * 21 are currently defendants in  lawsuits
>>               * 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the  last
>>year…
>>
>>
>>               Can you guess which organization this  is?

 

 

>>               Give up  yet?

 

 

 

It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress. The
>>same  group
>>               that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed
>>to keep the  rest
>>               of us in  line.
>>
>>               You gotta pass this on…

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] photos coming soon…
Date: March 7, 2006 at 12:19:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Attempting upload from digi camrerera, promise it only be tiny as.
My back is playing up, making this a harder road than it should be. If I can
get someone to carry me to a massage therapist, it’ll all be good. Now my
guests have gone, bed is in lounge. Stairs too tough at times lol.
What we do to ourselves (tsk tskies)
Sigh.
Love to all
Koiky
PS Jasen got beaten by a GIRL at POOL hahahahahahahahahahahaahhaha

 

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 7, 2006 at 12:06:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:11 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

 

Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to hear more from you in the future.     Love and light   Randy

Uhm … Randy…  You’ve been extremely naughty and BAD.  You kinda skipped conveniently right over that part where you threatened to kill people, when we talked on the phone…  Say you’re awfully, extremely sorry, a lot, and explain how if you were not drunk out of your fucking mind, you’d understand this is a BAD thing to do.  …And then, add in, how you won’t ever, never, do it again, cross your heart hope to die.  I mean, unless deMoni( forces swooOOP down, run amok through your brain, and make you do TERRIBLE THINGS; and I understand completely, shit happens, events spIn ouT of Control, mistakes are made… additionally, probably your ID and grandparent’s super-ego is inVolved; partially, some small tiny part, may — in fact — be your fault.  But maybe not, that could be the aliens too, you can never tell with these things (ibogaine was originally planted in the Gabon by Junkie spaCe Aliens).

Go spank yourself and say 174 Hail Mary’s … Ya know, ALL OF THIS could have been avoided had you gone to see a good transpersonal therapisT; checked the ALIGMENT of the Planets, and RoTation (of the TIRES (inside your mind)), before going Completely Fucking Berserk.

Being a LIVING EXAMPLE(R) is Hard Work(TM).  I mean c’mon, d’ya think Dana would be the North American Apostolic Delegate of Sacrament of Transition, if he behaved like a drunken lunatic?

Dr. Kroupa

Department of Bioassays / University of Little Cuba

 

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc on 60 Minutes
Date: March 6, 2006 at 11:54:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

Marc did great, The USA would like to send him to one of those prisons that don’t exist and make him disappear. Surely he is a terrorist threat if there ever was one, maybe the USA will  bomb Canada and take him out, a little collateral damage or wrong targets are to be expected but what kind of message does the USA sendc if they let him get away with this?

Brett

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
How did he do? I did not get home in time to catch it! 🙁
If there is an online version please someone turn me on to it.
I respect his guts but I am afraid for his freedom. His issues are true and need to be addressed but not at the sake of his freedom.
Not too much PR you can do from prison! I really hope it doesn’t come to that.
Peace, Callie

 

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo Love
Date: March 6, 2006 at 8:51:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/6/06 6:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass

Thanx Marc, I hope your right. I don’t feel like this will ever pass. I feel like I have lost a loved one or something. I suffer from depression and may even be a little manic. I’m not a shrink I don’t know, I just know that watching everybody else go about life it looks so easy to do but impossible for me to accomplish. I can get things done no doubt about it but sometimes I shut down and isolate. That’s where I am right now. Locked in a hotel room feeling miserable and frightened. I know who is reading this sometimes and I don’t care anymore I’m writing this for my own sanity. I personally think that anything said here should stay here but maybe that’s just the AA in me, I know it’s not that way. So fuckin’ be it. I aint said Blow Me here in a while maybe that is my problem. I know what I want to do and I know I have the best intentions I’m just screwed in the head like everybody else here. He He I already feel better just writing. I’m making a plan Mark. It aint easy to do right now with what I’ve got to work with but I’ll get past this. I know it. I refuse to let the fuckers grind me down like Gatewood Galbreth likes to say. O by the way yall, Gatewood is putting his book out in paper back and it has an updated chapter in it about Ibogaine. He’s a great dude. I’m not spamming the list here for him I just thought you all would like to know about it.    PS Peaches and Regalia is a Frank Zappa instrumental with George Duke on keyboards (I think) Preston        Thanx for the cyber hugs. Even you NIck, I trust your intentions.      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 6, 2006 at 8:11:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/6/06 4:30:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigerlisa@gmail.com writes:

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

 

Tiger, thanx for sending that poem. It helps for sure. I’m glad to see you here. I’ve been trying to sort things out today myself and haven’t said much of anything to anybody. My feelings have ruled me all of my life and once again I let them make an ass of me. I don’t know what to say or do at this point. I’ve been told some pretty good advice lately and I plan to implement some of it. I hope to hear more from you in the future.     Love and light   Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Ask The Drug Czar
Date: March 6, 2006 at 6:03:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Doug McVay” <dmcvay@patriot.net>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: [DrugWar] Ask The Drug Czar

Good Morning Folks,
I thought this would be of interest. Forgive me if someone sent a notice
about it already.
Have a great day,
Doug


http://www.pushingback.com/archives/030106_3.html

Ask the Drug Czar

John P. Walters is the Director of the White House Office of National Drug
Control Policy Do you have questions for our Nation’s “Drug Czar?” Do you
want to learn more about President Bush’s balanced strategy to reduce drug
use in America? Why has youth drug use gone down so dramatically over the
past four years? Find out by joining him for an online chat on Friday,
March 10th at 2 p.m.

Submit your questions now by clicking on the “Send Comments” button below.
We will continue to accept questions until noon on Friday.

“<<<

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Editor/Webmaster, Drug War Facts
1377-C Spencer Ave., Lancaster, PA 17603
717-299-0600 — cel 717-940-2154
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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date: March 6, 2006 at 6:41:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

what about my anomimity, Goddammitt?!? ;o) “Mark X” in the captions ok?
OT
I don’t hate my job, I just hate working and not being able to do exactly what I want to do when I want to do it. Just wanted to say that out loud again.
Another day, another dollar, I guess.
Its only temporary. In a few months I hope to be able to walk to the beach instead of the subway. So this is what I must do in the meantime.
Sacrific is bulllshit. (someone on this list will get that).
Randy- Hang in there bro. This too shall pass.

 

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:00:21 -0500
>trying to get the film out of my camera now- will have them put on
>disc and email in the next day or two…
>love
>tink
>
>On 3/2/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
> > Would appreciate it if anyone with interesting digital conference
> > photographs would email some at ibogaine@earthlink.net
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > Howard Lotsof
> > President
> > Dora Weiner Foundation
> > 46 Oxford Place
> > Staten Island, NY 10301
> > USA
> > dir tel: 1 718 442-2754
> > dir fax: 1 718 442-1957
> > email: dwf123@earthlink.net
> > http://www.doraweiner.org
> >
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 6:00:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah, I think I did tink, sorry.
;-()(

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

amen, bruthah….
i think you put the film in the camera wrong and i’m afraid to open
it, mr peet..
call me
love tink

On 3/6/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Yes Callie, start smoking herb again.
It ain’t opiates, but really, it’s extemely helpful to me. Personally that
is.
Peace and love.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

Randy, I love you and I hate that you are feeling fucked right now.
Please write! I love to read what you write….I can always identify with
it!
I am broke…..so financially fucked right now that it is not funny! I had
to buy an extra dose of Methadone today cause I doubled up when I had to go
to work yesterday. I never feel good anymore! If I double dose I feel good
for 4 or 5 hours then it is back to normal…..uuuuggghhhh!!!! I HATE
NORMAL!! lol!
I think I need to start smoking herb again.
Anyway….didn’t mean to get off on me…..Write Randy…..please write. It
is good therapy for you and me both!
Peace and hugs and smooches……
Callie

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot f$%ing computers
Date: March 6, 2006 at 11:52:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all.  My computer isn’t working and I’m going to have a fit if i
can’t get it fixed like immediately, but wanted to let you all know
that I’ll be checking in every couple of days until I can resolve
this.
Love to all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date: March 6, 2006 at 11:00:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

trying to get the film out of my camera now- will have them put on
disc and email in the next day or two…
love
tink

On 3/2/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Would appreciate it if anyone with interesting digital conference
photographs would email some at ibogaine@earthlink.net

Thanks

Howard

Howard Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
USA
dir tel: 1 718 442-2754
dir fax: 1 718 442-1957
email: dwf123@earthlink.net
http://www.doraweiner.org

 

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From: “Tiger Lisa” <tigerlisa@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 6 Mar 2006 17:06:44 -0000 Issue 1688
Date: March 6, 2006 at 4:03:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,

I’m a little nervous about posting for the first time, but Tink’s last
post to Randy made me think of this [see poem, included below], and
maybe it will be of some help to you, Randy.

I’ve been lurking for only a few weeks and (believe it or not!) I feel
very connected to many of you!

With warm wishes and respect,
Tiger

…from a poem by Portia Nelson (in There’s a Hole in My Sidewalk, 1993):

Autobiography in Five Short Chapters

Chapter 1: I walk down the street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I fall in. …
It takes forever to find a way out.

Chapter 2: I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I pretend I don’t see it.
I fall in again. …
It … takes a long time to get out.

Chapter 3: I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I see it is there.
I still fall in; it’s a habit. …
I get out …

Chapter 4: I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I walk around it.

Chapter 5: I walk down another street.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2006 11:22 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

 

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be
politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help.
I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit
doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement.
They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t
know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in
the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my
feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded
me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I
try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here
and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me
and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get
where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or
not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from
outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every
day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever
take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I
digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m
not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I
worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up
addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean
them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a
treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk
last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck
fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted
him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.
Randy

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc on 60 Minutes
Date: March 6, 2006 at 12:41:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I taped it, if any one is interested.  No, he didn’t mention ibogaine.
The Candain Pm laughed when asked whether or not he though that Marc
was a serious threat to the US as a drug dealer and said something
along the lines of “If they think that this is a serious issue, well,
they’ve got more problems that I care to think about…”
Let me know if you find out about how to get a flag ;]
love tink
On 3/6/06, Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

Others’ mileage may vary, and I had to take a phone call so missed the last
third of the segment – did he get to mention ibogaine?  does it look like
Canada will stand firm against the extradition request? have they correlated
the uptick in methamphetamine abuse with the crackdown on marijuana
commerce? – but at least from the get go the fact that this cross-border
persecution has strong political overtones was made clear.  So that’s a plus
for “60 Minutes”‘ truthiness.  They showed, for example, Marc rallying at
the microphone with some strong words, and hilarious outtakes of his
johnnyappleseed cartoons covering the Earth with one of its most
medically-salutorius herbs.

Where can we get one of those alt-mapleleaf flags??

in solidarity, rachel

 

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc on 60 Minutes
Date: March 6, 2006 at 10:51:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Others’ mileage may vary, and I had to take a phone call so missed the last third of the segment – did he get to mention ibogaine?  does it look like Canada will stand firm against the extradition request? have they correlated the uptick in methamphetamine abuse with the crackdown on marijuana commerce? – but at least from the get go the fact that this cross-border persecution has strong political overtones was made clear.  So that’s a plus for “60 Minutes”‘ truthiness.  They showed, for example, Marc rallying at the microphone with some strong words, and hilarious outtakes of his johnnyappleseed cartoons covering the Earth with one of its most medically-salutorius herbs.

Where can we get one of those alt-mapleleaf flags??

in solidarity, rachel

 

 

From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 12:33:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi, Biscuit.  You can feel free to email me regarding anything that’s going on in your life.  I’m a “therapist in training”, and a natural empath.  I’m not very good at leading my own life, but I’m told I have a great “bedside manner” and am very good at helping others work out things that are bothering them.  If you prefer to write to the list as a whole, that’s fine with me.

Best of luck!

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:22:09 EST

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly
correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to
get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when
I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of
people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I
still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s
sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it
easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like
that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny
Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I
just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life.
I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my
feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten
outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man.
Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing
Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in
my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just
survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I
don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a
fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being
clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a
treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last
night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck
fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him
about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 12:08:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

well said, nick…
how are you, btw?
love tink

On 3/6/06, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Randy,

It sounds like you’re the same as most of us. You push people away coz
you’re scared of love, you freak out with all kinds of crazy shit at people
so they can reject you and you can say “They didn’t mean it, I knew you
wouldn’t love me when you saw me like this”. I’ve done it, it’s routine
stuff, but you can still go crazy or kill yourself like this. It happens
easily. You need to get help, man. Really. Or it sounds to me like you will
wind up dead soon. You have to find some therapy stuff and start to talk.
Start to open up. And don’t say you did it all before (just in case you were
going to). Otherwise, seems to me you’re just fucking with your friends’
minds, with their love and good will. You have to get responsible for how
you are. You have to start laying your shit in a more therapeutic situation,
man, where you can be confronted, and start to go into the feelings
underneath. Not just dump on your friends. That’s a child’s game.

Nick

 

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 00:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 00:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I want to thank everybody for being my friend. God knows I need you all.
Callie, I love you too. If it weren’t for you I wouldn’t have stayed on the
list like I did. I’m in KY and your in Tennessee, same difference aint it?
Kirk, I am so proud of you for doing what you did. I really want to meet you
and Jasen someday. I’ve met a lot of really good people through this list
I’ve made a vow to myself to at least write every day and leak a little of
my very intense feelings. I wish I didn’t feel so deeply, it hurts like hell
sometimes and other times I’m so happy it’s like a drug or something.
Patrick, you are the fucking man. Thanx for calling and thanx for getting
the list out here for all of us. God is making a list or two and you are
deffenitly on the good one my brutha. I made a complete ass of myself last
night and if it weren’t for the people I have met through this list I think
I would have blown my brains out or something today. I can’t drink
responsibly, (besides what fun is that?) I’m an alcoholic. Yea, I didn’t
shoot any dope or hit the fuckin’ crack pipe but I fucked up. I said some
things that I didn’t mean to the people that I love the most. I don’t know
what I was thinking. I don’t remember most of it. So at this point I guess
you could tell me I said anything or did anything last night and I would
have to believe it. But on the bright side my asshole doesn’t hurt and I
still have all of my facilities.(it’s a joke, please laugh at your
convenience) I’m so depressed right now. I need to get back to playing
music. I play a little but most of the time I just wish I was. I quit
everything in the name of Ibogaine, even playin’ the blues. I need to be in
a band that plays every weekend and have something to take my mind off of
all the shit that comes up in this world. Ibogaine changed me forever but I
have to move on and do some more things for my own sanity. I may do a
booster tomorrow night though. It seems to help ground me. Soooooooooooo
thank you all for being here and letting me rant. I love you
Randy

 

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 12:05:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

It sounds like you’re the same as most of us. You push people away coz you’re scared of love, you freak out with all kinds of crazy shit at people so they can reject you and you can say “They didn’t mean it, I knew you wouldn’t love me when you saw me like this”. I’ve done it, it’s routine stuff, but you can still go crazy or kill yourself like this. It happens easily. You need to get help, man. Really. Or it sounds to me like you will wind up dead soon. You have to find some therapy stuff and start to talk. Start to open up. And don’t say you did it all before (just in case you were going to). Otherwise, seems to me you’re just fucking with your friends’ minds, with their love and good will. You have to get responsible for how you are. You have to start laying your shit in a more therapeutic situation, man, where you can be confronted, and start to go into the feelings underneath. Not just dump on your friends. That’s a child’s game.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 06 March 2006 00:55
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I want to thank everybody for being my friend. God knows I need you all. Callie, I love you too. If it weren’t for you I wouldn’t have stayed on the list like I did. I’m in KY and your in Tennessee, same difference aint it? Kirk, I am so proud of you for doing what you did. I really want to meet you and Jasen someday. I’ve met a lot of really good people through this list I’ve made a vow to myself to at least write every day and leak a little of my very intense feelings. I wish I didn’t feel so deeply, it hurts like hell sometimes and other times I’m so happy it’s like a drug or something. Patrick, you are the fucking man. Thanx for calling and thanx for getting the list out here for all of us. God is making a list or two and you are deffenitly on the good one my brutha. I made a complete ass of myself last night and if it weren’t for the people I have met through this list I think I would have blown my brains out or something today. I can’t drink responsibly, (besides what fun is that?) I’m an alcoholic. Yea, I didn’t shoot any dope or hit the fuckin’ crack pipe but I fucked up. I said some things that I didn’t mean to the people that I love the most. I don’t know what I was thinking. I don’t remember most of it. So at this point I guess you could tell me I said anything or did anything last night and I would have to believe it. But on the bright side my asshole doesn’t hurt and I still have all of my facilities.(it’s a joke, please laugh at your convenience) I’m so depressed right now. I need to get back to playing music. I play a little but most of the time I just wish I was. I quit everything in the name of Ibogaine, even playin’ the blues. I need to be in a band that plays every weekend and have something to take my mind off of all the shit that comes up in this world. Ibogaine changed me forever but I have to move on and do some more things for my own sanity. I may do a booster tomorrow night though. It seems to help ground me. Soooooooooooo thank you all for being here and letting me rant. I love you            Randy

 

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 10:43:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 3/5/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of.

Dear Randy,

Humility is all well and good; I admire, and praise you for possessing so much of it.  And sympathetically understand why an unexpected hangover might cultivate a bit more of it.  IM(n)SHO, you are more than worthy.

But if I understood the gist of revelations discussed by Dana, Paul, and Lee, it’s the quest that matters, not whether or not one actually finds the grail of myth, mystery, and shadowed history.

Therefore, rally onward!!

You are so loved – rachel

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Biscuitboy, writing, and healing
Date: March 6, 2006 at 10:56:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all, howzit going? It’s been a pretty volatile 36 hours, and I had
to chime in here and say something after reading all of the responses
to Randy. First off, you know I love you , Biscuitboy, and will always
be here if you need me, and I’m pretty sure that everyone who knows
you will agree on that.  This forum allows for unconditional cyber
love and a place to do exactly what Patrick said (HI PAT!!)- write,
rant, rave, piss in the wind, moan, convulse, laugh, cry, and work on
that aneurysm when it all freaks you out.  Utilize it with care and
love, and you’ll get it in return.  PLEASE write more and get it out
of you before you let it poison you again!
And now for the “However”…
After the conversations that we’ve had over the last 2 days, the very
frightening suicidal message you left on my phone, the threats of
violence that were thrown out in a very real manner, and the explosive
nature of your anger, I am incredibly concerned about where you’re at
and what you’re planning on doing about it.
I’ve known you for a little while now and have seen you struggling
with the same cyclical self-destruction we all share, to some extent.
It’s what you do about it that’s frightening me, your mom, your son,
and those of us who have gotten to know and care for you.  From what
you said last night, you don’t remember a lot of what you said and
did, but that doesn’t make it any less real to those of us who were on
the receiving end.  I (we) didn’t know whether or not I was going to
get another one of those lovely calls in the middle of the night, and
it was very hard to be that helpless.  It has helped me to better
understand what I put my friends and family through, however, and
given me a greater insight to how I am behaving today.
None of us is perfect, and I’ve been known to relapse quite a bit: I
can’t say that it won’t happen in the future: but I’ve also found that
it’s happened less and less frequently the more I think things through
from beginning to end.  I’ve had to learn how to take a long, hard,
uncomfortable look at myself with out flinching to much and work
through the shit I don’t want to deal with.  I’ve learned how to
listen to those around me who know what they’re talking about, and to
implement their suggestions into my own life in order to keep myself
from going backwards.  Am I any where near “normal”?  FUCK NO!!! But I
keep digging away at the giant heap that surrounds me, and it does get
better, incrementally.
What m said is so true, and he said it with love, as I do now.  No
matter how much you want to help any one else out, and no matter how
badly you want to do it now, until you can learn to love and trust
yourself, you won’t be able to provide that for any one else.
I know you have a lot of love and support to give, and I think that
you would do wonderfully at helping others to help themselves- AT SOME
POINT- but I can’t reiterate strongly enough to you that it has to
start from within.  So far, every time life’s lovely little applecart
has crashed and flipped and spilled your apples all over, you’ve
reacted in the same way- you freak the fuck out, get hammered for a
couple of days, call up and complain about everything that’s being
done to you, and refuse to see your own part of the situation.  You
got fired because you were loudly and angrily threatening people.
You’re throwing out statements about not knowing who to trust, when it
these very people who have gone far out on a limb for you, and
continued to do so, regardless of relapse and setbacks.
Like myself, and I’m sure a vast majority of us, learning to be
patient and not getting what we want, when we want it has been more
than a little difficult, but it’s something that has to be learned and
endured before you can move on to the next stage.  When you talk about
just wanting to help others out, that’s great, but you HAVE TO START
WITH YOURSELF!!!
Like I said to you last night,  was anything any one said to you
wrong?  Are you ready?  Did you listen to any of the suggestions given
with love and concern? No.  And you acknowledged that. That’s a big
step in the right direction, but you have to follow it with another
step, and then another after that until you find that you’ve made it
to a new block, then a new neighborhood, then an entirely new state,
maybe even a new country.
You are loved and cared for, and you have an unbelievable resource to
help yourself with here, but it all comes back to YOU helping YOURSELF
before you can help anyone else.  Sometimes you have to just take a
deep breath and start mucking about in your own shit in order to get
out of it.
We’re all here for you, when ever you need us, anytime, but please get
honest with yourself before it’s too late.
love
tink

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 10:45:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy, sorry to hear you are struggling, I’ve been there, done that too, havent drank since I got sober the last time, (a year on the 19th of Feb). I wonder if the hep c treatment is effecting your mood too- I hear it can cause some awful depression. Not to sound trite–but this too shall pass. Glad you’re here and alive, love shell

tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
amen, bruthah….
i think you put the film in the camera wrong and i’m afraid to open
it, mr peet..
call me
love tink

On 3/6/06, Preston Peet wrote:
>
> Yes Callie, start smoking herb again.
> It ain’t opiates, but really, it’s extemely helpful to me. Personally that
> is.
> Peace and love.
>
> —–
> “Nobody said it would be fair.
> But in the end I think it is.
> Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
> it’s really there just keep looking for it.
> Nobody said it would be fair.
> They warned you before you went out there.
> But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
> to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
> Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor Underground
> Editor Under the Influence
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
>
>
> Randy, I love you and I hate that you are feeling fucked right now.
> Please write! I love to read what you write….I can always identify with
> it!
> I am broke…..so financially fucked right now that it is not funny! I had
> to buy an extra dose of Methadone today cause I doubled up when I had to go
> to work yesterday. I never feel good anymore! If I double dose I feel good
> for 4 or 5 hours then it is back to normal…..uuuuggghhhh!!!! I HATE
> NORMAL!! lol!
> I think I need to start smoking herb again.
> Anyway….didn’t mean to get off on me…..Write Randy…..please write. It
> is good therapy for you and me both!
> Peace and hugs and smooches……
> Callie
>

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 10:15:30 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

amen, bruthah….
i think you put the film in the camera wrong and i’m afraid to open
it, mr peet..
call me
love tink

On 3/6/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Yes Callie, start smoking herb again.
It ain’t opiates, but really, it’s extemely helpful to me. Personally that
is.
Peace and love.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

Randy, I love you and I hate that you are feeling fucked right now.
Please write! I love to read what you write….I can always identify with
it!
I am broke…..so financially fucked right now that it is not funny! I had
to buy an extra dose of Methadone today cause I doubled up when I had to go
to work yesterday. I never feel good anymore! If I double dose I feel good
for 4 or 5 hours then it is back to normal…..uuuuggghhhh!!!! I HATE
NORMAL!! lol!
I think I need to start smoking herb again.
Anyway….didn’t mean to get off on me…..Write Randy…..please write. It
is good therapy for you and me both!
Peace and hugs and smooches……
Callie

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 8:51:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes Callie, start smoking herb again.
It ain’t opiates, but really, it’s extemely helpful to me. Personally that is.
Peace and love.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

Randy, I love you and I hate that you are feeling fucked right now.
Please write! I love to read what you write….I can always identify with it!
I am broke…..so financially fucked right now that it is not funny! I had to buy an extra dose of Methadone today cause I doubled up when I had to go to work yesterday. I never feel good anymore! If I double dose I feel good for 4 or 5 hours then it is back to normal…..uuuuggghhhh!!!! I HATE NORMAL!! lol!
I think I need to start smoking herb again.
Anyway….didn’t mean to get off on me…..Write Randy…..please write. It is good therapy for you and me both!
Peace and hugs and smooches……
Callie

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 8:31:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much.<

Peaches, as in the band Peaches? LOL, I can’t even picture this, but if so, you’re even cooler than I’ve been thinking, and I think you’ve got to be one of the coolest rednecks I’ve ever known Randy.
Thank whatever powers that be that there ain’t no heroin where you are my friend and remember you can ALWAYS call me if you wanna chat- if I don’t pick up the phone leave a gosh darned message.
;-0)))
Peace and love.
—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: MedBoardWatch: 4th National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics, April 6-8, Santa Barbara, California
Date: March 6, 2006 at 7:01:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Frank Lucido MD
To: Frank Lucido M.D.
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:17 AM
Subject: MedBoardWatch: 4th National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics, April 6-8, Santa Barbara, California

Patients Out of Time
The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
The Mind-Body Connection
April 6-8, 2006
Santa Barbara, California

Complete schedule posted at bottom of this email
and at:
http://www.medicalcannabis.com/conference.htm

Register for conference at:
http://www.medicalcannabis.com/registration/

Don’t miss it!

This is a great conference, and has much of core knowledge that medical cannabis-recommending physicians and other health care professionals should know, and also should be of interest to patients and patient advocates.
(I attended the past two, and will be on a physicians’ panel with Dr. David Bearman and Dr. Arnold Leff this time.)
(Agenda and Faculty list below.)

peace and health,
Frank Lucido M.D.
www.DrLucido.com
www.MedicalBoardWatch.com
www.AIMLegal.org

 

UCSF designates this activity for a maximum of 15.75 AMA PRA category 1 credits.
The approved credits include 6.5 credits toward meeting Pain Management and End-of-Life Care.

The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
Santa Barbara, CA
April 6-8, 2006
Agenda
Thursday, April 6

7:00pm Registered Attendees and Faculty Reception at Val Verde, Santa Barbara, Exhibits, Music.

Friday, April 7

7:30 Registration – Continental Breakfast
8:00 Opening Remarks; Donald Abrams MD, David Bearman MD, Harriet Miller
8:30 Staying Safe: The Challenge (What You Don’t Know Will Hurt You); Mark Miller
9:00 Cannabinoids and the Physics of Life; Robert Melamede, PhD
9:40 Cannabis: Synthetic vs. Natural; Daniele Piomelli, PhD, PharmD
10:00 Efficacy of Smoked Cannabis on Human Experimental Pain; Mark Wallace, MD
10:20 Break
10:40 Patients Experience Treating MS with Cannabis; Barbara Douglass and Montel Williams
11:00 UK Experience With New Cannabis Medicines; Stuart Ratcliffe, MD
11:30 The Current Status of Cannabinoid Research in Israel; Natalya Kogan, PhD
12:00 Lunch Buffet: DEA/NIDA and the Obstruction of Privately Funded Research; Rick Doblin, PhD
1:30 The Therapeutic Use of a Cannabis Project in Catalonia Spain: Information, Prescription and Research; Marta Duran Delmas, MD
2:00 Canadian Pain and Cannabis; Mark Ware, MD, MRCP, MSc
2:30 Pharmacy Grade Cannabis in The Netherlands; Marco van de Velde, PharmD
2:50 Break
3:10 Federal Patients, Are They Healthy?; Barbara Douglass, Irvin Rosenfeld, George McMahon, Elvy Musikka, Mary Lynn Mathre, RN, MSN, CARN

3:50 Cannabis Spouses Speak; Deborah Rosenfeld, Nancy Cavanaugh, RN, Alice O’Leary, LPN, Joan Dangerfield
4:30 Adjourn

6:30 Patients Out of Time Benefit Dinner – Robert Randall Tribute -Auction- Live Band- Comedy.

Saturday, April 8

7:30 Registration – Continental Breakfast
8:00 Opening Remarks: Marty Blum, JD, Allan Byrne, CA Nurses Association RN
8:30 Cannabis in Pain and Palliative Care; Donald Abrams, MD
9:00 Cannabis Use and Pregnancy; Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD, FAAN
9:20 Therapeutic Cannabis Use During Pregnancy and It’s Efficacy Treating “Morning Sickness”; Philippe Lucas
9:40 AIDS and Cannabis; Steven Hosea, MD
10:00 Break
10:20 Cannabis and Mental Health; Mitch Earleywine, PhD
10:40 Clinical Implications of the Endocannabinoid System: PTSD, ADD and Beyond; David Bearman, MD
11:00 PTSD Panel; Erin Hildebrandt, Allan Byrne, Christopher Largen
11:40 Oregon Survey of Cannabis Applications; Edward Glick, RN
12:00 Lunch Buffet: Patient Empowerment; William Britt, Russell Peterson, Rita Solinas PhD
1:30 California Doctors, Medical Cannabis and the Medical Board: Safe and Appropriate Recommendations for a Safe and Effective Medicine; Frank Lucido, MD; Arnold Leff, MD; David Bearman, MD
2:15 Break
2:30 Medical Cannabis and the Public Policy Process; Jon Gettman, PhD
3:00 Q&A Session, All Presenters; Mary Lynn Mathre, RN, MSN, CARN
4:30 Adjourn

UCSF designates this activity for a maximum of 15.75 AMA PRA category 1 credits.
The approved credits include 6.5 credits toward meeting Pain Management and End-of-Life Care.

 

 

Faculty | Agenda | Register/Pay Online | top

 

The Fourth National Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics
City College Santa Barbara, CA
April 6-8, 2006

Faculty

Donald Abrams, MD Professor of Clinical Medicine and Head Hematology-Oncology Section, University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco General Hospital. *

Michelle Aldrich Cannabis Historian, San Francisco, CA. *

David Bearman, MD Practicing Physician, Santa Barbara, CA. *

Marty Blum, JD Mayor, Santa Barbara, CA.

William Britt Patient and Founder, Association of Patient Advocates, Long Beach, CA.

California Nurses Association Representative.

Nancy Cavanaugh, RN Widow of Cannabis Patient, West Hills, CA.

Allan Byrne Co-founder, Patients Out of Time, Howardsville, VA. *

Joan Dangerfield Widow of Cannabis Patient, Beverly Hills, CA.

Marta Duran Delmas, MD Researcher, Fundacio Institut Catala de Farmocoligia, Barcelona, Spain.

Rick Doblin, PhD Founder, Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies, Sarasota, FL.

Barbara Douglass IND Patient, MS, Lakeside, IA.

Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD Dean College of Nursing, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA.

Mitch Earleywine, PhD Associate Professor, University of Albany, NY. *

Jon Gettman, PhD Senior Fellow, George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

Ed Glick, RN Practicing Nurse, Monmouth, OR.

Erin Hildebrandt Patient and Executive Director, Parents Ending Prohibition, Lafayette, OR.

Steve Hosea, MD Infectious Disease Specialist, Hospitalist, Cottage Hospital, Santa Barbara, CA.

Natalya Kogan, PhD Cannabinoid Researcher, The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel.

Christopher Largen Patient, Co-author of “Prescription Pot” and Author of “Junk”, Denton, TX.

Arnold Leff, MD Clinical Faculty Stanford University, HIV Specialist PACE Clinic, San Jose, CA.

Philippe Lucas Founder and Director Vancouver Island Compassion Society and Legal Canadian Cannabis Patient.

Frank Lucido, MD Family Practice Physician, Berkeley, CA. Founder of MediclBoardWatch.com and AIMLegal.org.

M.L.Mathre, RN,MSN,CARN Executive Director, Pantops Clinic, Co-founder, Patients Out of Time, Howardsville, VA.*

George McMahon IND Patient, Nail Patella Syndrome; Co-author of “Prescription Pot”, Livermore, IA.

B.J. Miller, MD Patient.

Harriet Miller Former Mayor Santa Barbara, Former Executive director of AARP, Santa Barbara, CA.

Mark A. Miller Drug Information Consultant, Comprehensive Drug Education Consultants, Oregon City, OR.

Robert Melamede, PhD Associate Professor and Biology Chairman (ret.), Biology Department, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, CO. Americans for Safe Access, Medical Advisory Board.

Elvy Musikka IND Patient, Glaucoma, Eugene, OR.

Alice O’Leary, LPN Co-founder of Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics, Sarasota, FL.

Russell Peterson Patient, San Luis Obispo, CA.

Daniele Piomelli, PhD Louise Turner Arnold Chair in the Neurosciences; Professor, Departments of Pharmacology and Biological Chemistry; Director, Center for Drug Discovery, University of California, Irvine, CA.

Stuart Ratcliffe, MD Director, Barts Pain Research Group, Barts and the London NHS Trust, Barts, UK.

Irvin Rosenfeld IND Patient, Multiple Congenital Cartilaginous Exostoses, Lauderhill, FL.

Deborah Rosenfeld IND Patient’s Wife, Lauderhill, FL.

Rita Solinas, PhD Patient, Santa Barbara, CA.

M.J. van de Velde, PhD, MBA Head, Office of Medical Cannabis, Ministry of Health Welfare and Sports, The Netherlands.

Mark S. Wallace, MD Professor of Clinical Anesthesiology, Director, Center for Pain and Palliative Care, University of California, San Diego.

Mark Ware, MD, MRCP, MSc Assistant Professor of Family Medicine and Anesthesia, McGill University, Montreal, Canada.

Montel Williams Patient, New York, NY.

* Planning Committee

 

 

Below are two hotels that have provided a reduced rate for the conference.
These hotels are very close to the Santa Barbara City College campus.
Reservations expire 60 days before April 6. Pets are allowed at the Best Western at a fee.

ALL ROOMS IN SANTA BARBARA ARE NON-SMOKING.
The hotels usually charge a $100 a day in addition to basic charges if there was smoking in the room.

Make reservations asap to get special rates.

Best Western
Beachside Inn
336 W Cabrillo Boulevard, Santa Barbara, California,
United States, 93101-3855
Phone: (805)965-6556 Fax: 805-966-6626
Website: www.beachsideinn.com
$155 a night ….mention “medical cannabis”

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324 W. Mason St. Santa Barbara, California 93101
Reservations: (805) 962-3203
Toll-free: (800) 446-0444
Fax: (805) 962-1056
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Thursday $98, Friday $129, Saturday $149
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 6, 2006 at 3:32:33 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

Hey Randy,

Your right on topic brother. Trying to be politicly correct is sometimes what fu*ks us up in the first place.I’m getting your feelings and I like it. Your a special one you are
Randy, thats why I feel you in my heart when I read your messages,..you are easy to re-member with,..to connect with. I believe what you are feeling is very normal for
people that have experienced addiction,..we are all trying to walk without our crutch and sometimes it gets hard.

I love you brother.

I am so glad that you are going to be writng more on this fabulous list,..I love reading you. You are right,..this is a good form of therapy,..it has and is for me and I am sure
many others. Thankyou Patrick,..I saw you you at Kirsty’s place on “Rite of passage” very cool.

Randy,..you are a rock. Maybe,..hey,..just maybe we need to study therapy so we can give people what we have not been able to get the last twenty years or so,..a
good psycho therapist,..fu*k man,..we are in an ideal position to make a difference. You are already making a difference. Just a thought. Although i must say I did meet
a couple of good therapists in my time and one was a Gestalt Therapist,..the others did not have a fu*ken clue.

I love you brother.

You are most definatley worthy. The quest continues.

with love, your brother Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc on 60 Minutes
Date: March 5, 2006 at 11:10:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How did he do? I did not get home in time to catch it! 🙁
If there is an online version please someone turn me on to it.
I respect his guts but I am afraid for his freedom. His issues are true and need to be addressed but not at the sake of his freedom.
Not too much PR you can do from prison! I really hope it doesn’t come to that.
Peace, Callie

 

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:36:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:22 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….

Randy,

Hey brother, it’s okay.  I don’t think anybody here qualifies as being politically correct — whatever exactly that means this week — and if being an asshole was met with being deleted; then I don’t think too many people would be left here, and that certainly includes me.

Write anything, everything, nothing.  Argue with people who tell you to shut up, don’t argue with ’em.  Do whatever you need to do, that makes you feel better, without bangin’ up or sucking on the base pipe.  That’s it.  There is no other reason that here exists, and we’re all here.  If it helps you, then do it.

The only thing I ever said about writing messages here vs. talking about it; was that writing engages more parts of your brain than just talking.  It makes it more real.  For YOU.  And having a written archive of where you were, back then … can be a cool thing.  “Whoah, was that me?  Did I say all that in 2003?”

It’s possible that you have made the long journey from way-fucked, to less fucked, clean, helping others, being an example of what other people who are in the same headspace you were in, not long ago, can attain.  And, so, you don’t want to let them down, or let yourself down.

But basically, fuck it.  Don’t worry about it.  Everybody here is lost and found, fucked, and saved, totally damned, and already enlightened.

We are all worthy.  We have already paid, and paid, and paid summore, for what was ours to begin with.  If writing it out, helps release it — and in my own experience, FUCK YES it does — then write motherfucker, write.

There aren’t any real rules, just try not to act like an asshole.  In the half-decade+ this place has existed, exactly one person was removed, and that’s the guy who kept writing an endless stream of one line messages to the list; roughly every 5 minutes.  By day 2 he was no longer even talking to anyone present, but cross-connecting his addressbook to this forum, and having conversations with people inside his head.

Okay, set down the crackpipe, bang some dope, find your meds, wait for the planets to re-align, calm down and stop sending 50 one line messages to the list.  He signed back onto the forum a few days later, got treated, and has been clean over a year at this time.  I’m not gonna out him, but you’ve met him and know who he is.

I love you mahn, and this is quite possibly the last place you need to worry ’bout what is “correct.”  The “rules” are contained in the list description, located at the bottom of every message.  They haven’t changed.

Patrick

 

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 8:10:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/5/06 8:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

Don’t beat yourself up but DO SOMETHING already! -M

Call me. I don’t have your number.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:11:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahah you can tell the state of my brain……..I meant to type because of this LIST not lift (I have a spleech Implediment)  ……roll on the lift man I feel I got a whole planet on my head, so heavy. Just hung out some washing, feel like I climbed mt everest. Roll on april……..
Kirkxx
.
Because of this lift, I had the immense pleasure of meeting one of the most incredible human beings on this planet, was looked after like royalty, laughed so damn hard I had Milo coming out of my Nostrils………..
Write away.
Love ya heaps
Kirk xxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2006 11:22 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict. 
        Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 8:04:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A wise man told me about 6 months back that if I didn’t seek therapy in one form of another immediately that he feared the next thing he was going to hear about me was that I relapsed of worse. He was right,  and thank god he said it when he did. It was just in the nick of time. You start to self destruct as soon as someone tells you something that you don’t like or that you don’t want to hear. Thats not the behavior of someone thats mentally or spiritually sound enough to help anyone, let alone be doing treatments. You’ve come a long way bro, but you got a hell of a long way to go. Randy needs to work on Randy. You need to go right back to the beginning and figure out what you missed because your an absolute disaster right now.
We both know the conversations we had over the past few days and quite frankly, some of it… actually most of it was terrifying. (i.e. threats of physical violence towards both youself and others) Your not at all in touch with any kind of reality, and that says a lot coming from me. You refuse to do anything that feels remotely uncomfortable. You refuse to take a look at yourself. You refuse to set a goal and stick to a plan to make it happen. Everyone is your bro until they tell u something u dont want to hear and then there your sworn enemy, even the very people that saved your life in one way or another.
You are behaving like a kid who throws a tantrum when he doesn’t get what he wants.
I love you bro so for god sakes, get it together and figure this shit out in a hurry. There are a lot of people out here who love you but your making in VERY hard for them and for yourself. You can only push people so far.
Don’t beat yourself up but DO SOMETHING already! -M.
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:22:09 EST

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 7:55:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I want to thank everybody for being my friend. God knows I need you all. Callie, I love you too. If it weren’t for you I wouldn’t have stayed on the list like I did. I’m in KY and your in Tennessee, same difference aint it? Kirk, I am so proud of you for doing what you did. I really want to meet you and Jasen someday. I’ve met a lot of really good people through this list I’ve made a vow to myself to at least write every day and leak a little of my very intense feelings. I wish I didn’t feel so deeply, it hurts like hell sometimes and other times I’m so happy it’s like a drug or something. Patrick, you are the fucking man. Thanx for calling and thanx for getting the list out here for all of us. God is making a list or two and you are deffenitly on the good one my brutha. I made a complete ass of myself last night and if it weren’t for the people I have met through this list I think I would have blown my brains out or something today. I can’t drink responsibly, (besides what fun is that?) I’m an alcoholic. Yea, I didn’t shoot any dope or hit the fuckin’ crack pipe but I fucked up. I said some things that I didn’t mean to the people that I love the most. I don’t know what I was thinking. I don’t remember most of it. So at this point I guess you could tell me I said anything or did anything last night and I would have to believe it. But on the bright side my asshole doesn’t hurt and I still have all of my facilities.(it’s a joke, please laugh at your convenience) I’m so depressed right now. I need to get back to playing music. I play a little but most of the time I just wish I was. I quit everything in the name of Ibogaine, even playin’ the blues. I need to be in a band that plays every weekend and have something to take my mind off of all the shit that comes up in this world. Ibogaine changed me forever but I have to move on and do some more things for my own sanity. I may do a booster tomorrow night though. It seems to help ground me. Soooooooooooo thank you all for being here and letting me rant. I love you            Randy

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:13:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Oh, but I must stress that I am right there with you on the Food idea helping balance us out, having recently rediscovered eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run
To: drugwar@mindvox.com ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Columnist New York Waste
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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar]ode to don, my main man on this block
Date: March 5, 2006 at 1:48:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don:
I tried to wait a month so  not to disappoint you but could not. Sorry to let you down.  Now there you go again, pitchin’  barbs at newcomers to this forum.  could I have an ally? Dude’s enthusiastic, that a crime with this smorgasboard of misfits?  Me think not mate. but so good to hear you shouting in the wilderness again on vacant eyes and ears  ‘cept  for my crazy arse.  —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Paul writes:

ok sorry people. But that really got to me, when I read that, using Ibogaine to exchange one addiction from another. I am into abot seven months of pure hell and reading that just got my back ok!
Strenght, Power and Honour, I shall remember to respect.
Paul

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:56:00 -0600

Wow, I thought I was an ass. Got it all figgered out, do ya? That will be good news here. You might be better served by putting down the pen and bringing valid points to the foreground. You have some valid points, the horse ain’t got no ass. Calm down, make your point. We see your fervor. Attacking is not the right approach. You have something to say and we want to hear it. We are not enemies, nor are we stupid. It seems a little odd that you stomp in here and piss all over veterans, founders, creators of this room, to what end? We mean you no harm, this is only a discussion group, and you need to seriously BACK DOWN.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Paul writes,

Hey Bill,
You are full of crap mate, that’s for sure. I have never read such a pony, full of horse—-! in all my life.
Firstly any way that can reduce the hellish pain of withdrawal and enable the addict to experience a greater spiritual awareness, is a tool. You are a fool to think that, someone with a physical addiction to Opiate based drugs and other such gateway drugs such as Cocaine, is only changing there drug of addiction, by taking Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not a gateway drug. Before you come here and criticize people, who are looking for real help with their problems, why don’t you educate yourself and learn about what you are talking about. Instead of just spouting out a load of baloney that you read in a report. Cannabis along with many many other entheogenics, do not pose a problem of physical withdrawal, such as the likes of Heroin, Methadone and synthetic Opiates and Cocaine.
Psychological addictive properties have been known of any drug that stimulates the Ventral Tegmental Dopamine Neurons, but non gateway drugs do not enforce the cycle of a Dopamine release, so therefore are not, impulse dependant. Morphine and Cocaine like substances induce a Dopamine release, so are impulse dependant. Once the cycle has been started, the brain Reward Cascade, has to be constantly recharged, in order for the enforcing affect of such substances to take place.
Seeing as Entheogenic substances do not enforce this cycle, they are dependant on another process.
Pleasure reward of such substances is short lived, so the drug can only be called psychologically addictive. The effect of such Entheogenics, has but a short life of possibly 56 hours max. Then the Adrenal glands become depleted and the Brain Reward Cascade Stops.
Any person with a physical dependence problem will tell you that they get no pleasure from the drugs they need to take each day to operate. This being the case there is no reward, so the person is taking the drugs for a different reason than to get pleasure.
This my friend, is what you seem to so sorely to misunderstand.
Ibogaine and such likes are tools. They should and are used for what they are meant for.
I do not know anyone who would take Ibogaine, just for pleasure.
Get your head out of the sand, you Ostrich.
How can you say that you are just changing the drug of addiction, when Ibogaine, would be used as a tool to help prevent self destruction on drugs, and would be took, maybe 3 or 4 times throughout one persons life. That is not an addiction.
What the hell are you doing here, if you can’t see that your own concept is warped. This being the case, then SOD OFF!!
Strength leads to Power, leads to Honour, hence self respect!!!
You are some dumb idiot. ha ha ha !!!

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:39:23 -0800 (PST)

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html

Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:49:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, I love you and I hate that you are feeling fucked right now.
Please write! I love to read what you write….I can always identify with it!
I am broke…..so financially fucked right now that it is not funny! I had to buy an extra dose of Methadone today cause I doubled up when I had to go to work yesterday. I never feel good anymore! If I double dose I feel good for 4 or 5 hours then it is back to normal…..uuuuggghhhh!!!! I HATE NORMAL!! lol!
I think I need to start smoking herb again.
Anyway….didn’t mean to get off on me…..Write Randy…..please write. It is good therapy for you and me both!
Peace and hugs and smooches……
Callie

 

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:18:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

finally got my life straightened out. no more anything,thank you forum, you’ve been kind, may chime in occasionally, I’ll be a listener to see what new things come up , peace to all, and to those who paved the way.  not leaving list, just reading as we are all brothers and sisters in the fight . love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Oh, but I must stress that I am right there with you on the Food idea helping balance us out, having recently rediscovered eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run
To: drugwar@mindvox.com ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 5:40:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, hugamungous hugs to you.
Fuk sake, write away man, if there’s one thing I’ve learnt here it’s that the ones who count who DO read this will help you in any way they can. If the rest don’t like it, they don’t count and I wouldn’t give a toss about what they thought.
Because of this lift, I had the immense pleasure of meeting one of the most incredible human beings on this planet, was looked after like royalty, laughed so damn hard I had Milo coming out of my Nostrils………..
Write away.
Love ya heaps
Kirk xxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 6 March 2006 11:22 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict. 
        Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT help me
Date: March 5, 2006 at 5:22:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know if this is off topic or not. I’m tired of trying to be politicly correct. Fuck it, don’t read it if it pisses you off. I need help. I used to get on this list every day and talk about my feelings. I quit doing that when I started getting more involved with the Ibogaine movement. They’s a lot of people reading this list in case you didn’t know. I didn’t know who to trust, I still don’t. Anyway, I hold this list and Patrick in the highest regard, it’s sacred to me. Just being here talking about my feelings with yall made it easier to get along. I asked Patrick if he minded me archiving my feelings like that and he said just don’t be an asshole. I try…….I swear to God Man (Donny Baker). Butt when I quit writing here and couldn’t find a good therapist I just let everything build up inside me and exploded. I need you all in my life. I’m tired of bullshiting to get where I have to go. You all are gonna get my feelings whether you like it or not. If Patrick decides that I have gotten outta hand he can zap me from outer space where he lives, I love you man. Sooooooooo I plan to write every day like I did when I was addicted and doing Interferon for Hep C. Yall ever take that shit? And the Rbeatrol gave me open sores in my mouth, but I digress. My life was so simple then, all I had to do was just survive. I’m not in that position anymore, I have taken on a quest that I don’t know if I worthy of. But I won’t stop unless somebody kills me. I’m a fucked up addict, alcoholic, and if I don’t do some work and effort into being clean them I’m fucked. Thank God that I haven’t shot any dope or have to do a treatment for addiction but I’m real close to losing it here. I got drunk last night. That’s a relapse for me. Kill me for being an addict.
Peaches and Regalia was playing in my head when the dumb ass redneck fucked with me just a little too much. I lost my job too when I confronted him about it. Help me, I’m a redneck.                          Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: March 5, 2006 at 6:22:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Matt,

Excuse me for taking so long to get back to you but, exactly what do you mean by “marketing it?” And, how would you go about best doing that?

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 3/2/06 4:59:46 PM, mattzielinski@hotmail.com writes:

since the legalizing of ibogaine seems like a lost fight why not focus on spreading the word about it?
why not spend all that effort in marketing it?……in reality anyone can obtain it, whether from illegal sources or legally in canada, whatever, so the fact that its illegal in the US does not stop anybody from taking it
what stops most people from taking it is the fact that they dont know it exists
maybe just maybe the goverment would take a different stand on it if 100.00 people knew about and affirmed its effects rathen than just a handfull of people (although i really doubt it)
anyway just my thoughts after reading the powerpoint presantation
m

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:45:34 EST

I’ve placed my powerpoint presentation on the Ibogaine Dossier.  The presentation is titled, Ibogaine Development: Politics, Policy, Prejudice, Profit and Science.  The file is 5 mb. I hope you find the slide show interesting.

You can obtain it from the first topic link on the Opinion page on either the US or EU sites.

http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html or http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/opinion.html

Let me know what you think.  Constructive criticism appreciated.

Howard

 

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery (CBS)
Date: March 4, 2006 at 7:49:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

March 2, 2006

The Prince Of Pot
—————————————————————————————–
Marc Emery (CBS)

(CBS) A Canadian who calls himself the “Prince of Pot” could wind up in a
U.S. jail for life for selling marijuana seeds, but says he would be
“blessed” because such a plight could help legalize the drug.

60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon talks to Marc Emery, who had a
mail-order pot seed business that Canada ignored and the U.S. Drug
Enforcement Agency wants to prosecute him for, this Sunday, March 5 at 7
p.m. ET/PT.

[snip]

Rest here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/02/60minutes/main1363340.shtml

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story
Date: March 4, 2006 at 10:41:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/4/06 10:00:36 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

eah, and nearly every bit of information I gave this reporter on the phone
is now reported wrong.
Amazingly bad note taking on her part. I’m really disappointed in her. She
got just about every single thing I told her wrong, almost.

The reporter agreed to send me a copy prepublication for fact checking. Needless to say, that did not happen.  I suggested the most accurate article(s) written on ibogaine were ones in which all parties cited in the article were supplied copies for correction prior to publication but, that takes a lot of courage on the part of any author.

Howard

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Mexico: Ibogaine: Exploring the New Frontier of Psychedelic Addiction Therapy
Date: March 4, 2006 at 10:19:48 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

have to say publically that this report got numerous “facts” from and about me wrong. I’m seriously disappointed in her note taking.
I mean, she did get my previous use just about right though, so that’s something.
Peace and love.
—–
“Big blue in the gas field, you caught me lying.
Pathetic religion of sex and crying.
I nailed the door shut to leave you blind.
I nailed the door shut for peace of mind.
You were the first love I ever had.
You hit me high, you hit me low.
Time doesn’t slow down for those who dream.
I wake only to hear this scream”
-Ima Robot (title unknown)

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To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Mexico: Ibogaine: Exploring the New Frontier of Psychedelic Addiction Therapy

Newshawk: allan
Pubdate: Wed, 01 Mar 2006
Source: San Diego City Beat (CA)
Copyright: 2006 San Diego City Beat
Contact: editor@sdcitybeat.com
Website: http://www.sdcitybeat.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/2764
Author: Kia Momtazi
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/Ibogaine
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/hallucinogens.htm (Hallucinogens)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/heroin.htm (Heroin)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?136 (Methadone)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/rehab.htm (Treatment)

IBOGAINE

EXPLORING THE NEW FRONTIER OF PSYCHEDELIC ADDICTION THERAPY

Ray slips his shades back over his eyes and leans against the window as the van crosses the border into Mexico. It’s noon on Monday, Oct. 31, and he hasn’t slept in three days. He thinks about the bag of chronic he threw out the window on the way to meet the guy from the clinic. He thinks about the pipe load of meth stashed in the seat of his motorcycle back home. Ray is skeptical–will he really be so changed by Friday that he’ll be able to go home and throw it away?

Ray is a 33-year-old meth producer, dealer and addict. So far, Ray’s missing fingerprints are the only physical evidence of his addiction–they gradually peeled off after repeated contact with so many chemicals.

Six months ago, after a stint in prison and more than two years clean, he relapsed and took a leave of absence from refrigerator-repair school “to go run amok.” The past few months, says Ray, “have been out of control . I won’t do anything unless I smoke first. I feel like I just have to do it.”

He’s afraid that either death or jail is imminent if he doesn’t change his life.

“I find myself doing stuff that I would never even do normally,” Ray says. “I have a pocket full of money, but I’m out there robbing warehouses and things–Target warehouses, Wal-Mart–just to do something. I’ve got $2,300 in my pocket and I’m sitting there trying to break into a Coke machine at the Embassy Suites.”

Reluctant to quit partying but desperate to curb his destructive behavior, Ray is traveling to the Ibogaine Association, a Tijuana clinic originally founded in Mexico City that treats patients with a powerful psychedelic–ibogaine–rumored to be able to stop addiction in its tracks. Legally accepted as an experimental therapy in most countries, ibogaine is classified as a Schedule 1 substance in the United States, believed to have a high potential for abuse with no accepted medical value.

Every Monday, program director Nathen Gabriel meets new patients at Urban Grind, a cafe located just north of Balboa Park, and shuttles them to the clinic, where they stay until he picks them up Friday morning.

Program director since March 2005, Gabriel has a background in psychedelic healing and a doctorate in naturopathic medicine. He’s a lean, compact man in his early 40s with a gaunt face and large eyes that seem to take everything seriously. He looks like a mystic only from the neck up, where an elaborate tattoo of serpents twining around a lotus flower crowns his shaved head and creates the illusion of a third eye at the base of his skull.

Though he’s worked at the clinic less than a year, Gabriel’s talent for the job emerges during the 30-minute drive. He’s friendly and sincere with each patient, asks them straightforward questions about their addictions and absorbs their answers without judgment. They invariably ask questions about ibogaine, and when they do, excitement creeps into his responses.

He explains that ibogaine comes from the root bark of Tabernathe Iboga, a shrub that grows in Central Africa, and has been used for centuries in various ceremonies of the Bwiti tribe.

A man named Howard Lotsof, Gabriel says, took ibogaine in 1962 as a 19-year-old junkie chasing a new thrill. After enduring 36 hours of harrowing visions, Lotsof awoke to find he had no desire to use heroin and was totally free from any symptoms of withdrawal. He has spent the rest of his life trying to make ibogaine more readily available for those in need.

Gabriel himself has taken ibogaine twice, he says–once to better relate to his patients and again recently in an attempt to curb his pot habit. Gabriel describes his own personal experience of ibogaine as “completely hellish” but hastily adds that everyone experiences it differently.

Before leaving San Diego, Gabriel stops the van at a downtown Days Inn to pick up another patient. Ted is in his early-50s, has red hair and a red beard and wears a faded blue-gray polo shirt, green shorts and athletic socks under Birkenstock sandals. He’s been on Vicodin for seven years to treat his chronic neck pain–a result of getting hit by a car while crossing the street 10 years ago–and currently takes 15 to 20 pills every day. He wants to stop and has tried to quit cold turkey “numerous times” but finds it “physically impossible.”

Though he’s emphatic that the pain he now experiences is from Vicodin withdrawal and not from his injury, he hopes that at the very least ibogaine will reset his tolerance to the Vicodin, enabling him to once again get full relief from a couple of pain pills instead of 20.

Preston Peet, a 38-year-old New York writer, told CityBeat in a phone interview that he uses ibogaine for just that. Ever since a car accident 24 years ago, Peet says he has suffered from chronic pain in his back and legs. Until he took ibogaine for the first time in 2004, he took four MS-Contins (a morphine-based pain killer) and more than 12 Dilaudids every day for the pain. He’ll live with chronic pain for the rest of his life, he says, but periodic boosters of ibogaine enable him to keep his painkiller intake down to a mere two MS-Contins per day.

The van arrives at the clinic–a nondescript house in Tijuana’s most affluent residential neighborhood–shortly after noon. On the inside, the four-bedroom house looks more like a travelers’ hostel than a medical clinic. The only medical equipment in sight is a heart-rate monitor on the nightstand next to each bed. The walls are sparsely decorated, the furniture secondhand, and paisley tapestries are draped over the couches. It was once a grand house, full of high ceilings, chandeliers and pink marble. The contrast gives it a haunting air of abandoned opulence.

Gabriel shows Ted and Ray upstairs to their rooms. In turn, they submit to a blood test, which will be taken to a lab for analysis before they take the ibogaine later that night. Gabriel collects the $4,000 fee before their blood is drawn, and a staff member searches their bags for drugs. At no point does anyone search the patients or their pockets.

When Ted’s wife calls on his cell phone, Ray goes out on the balcony for a cigarette.

He leans against the railing and smokes pensively.

Hundreds of cigarette butts have collected on the ledge beneath, a reminder that so many people before Ray have stood smoking on that same balcony, all probably pondering ibogaine’s power to change them for good.

Greg Douglass, a musician and recovered heroin addict who’s been clean since he took ibogaine in 2003, told CityBeat that the visions he experienced with ibogaine were what changed him the most.

“The whole time I was hallucinating, I didn’t feel like I was hallucinating,” says Douglass. “I felt like I was being shown something for a reason. All of a sudden it was right there for me to see  it’s really marvelous to be on this planet and part of this universe. Why didn’t I see that before? And all of a sudden it was like this big black hole got filled in.”

But Ray is skeptical that he will have a psycho-spiritual epiphany with ibogaine.

“I never saw no ray of light when I was sober,” he says matter-of-factly. He gloomily predicts the ibogaine won’t work and he’ll end up being “burned four grand.”

Ray perks up when he remembers that he still gets to trip out one last time before he’s supposed to turn his life around.

“I want to fry,” Ray says smiling, his eyes lighting up. “Let’s do it.”

Although Ted and Ray are eager to get the treatment underway, hours remain before the blood tests come back. To kill time and give them a better picture of what they’re about to experience, Gabriel shows a documentary about ibogaine called “Ibogaine–Right of Passage.”

Before it ends, Gabriel leaves Ray and Ted in the hands of the medical staff. Gabriel, whose role is more administrative than medical, won’t see either of them until he returns on Friday to pick them up and take them back to San Diego.

Ever since his discovery, Lotsof has reportedly endeavored to make ibogaine legitimate in Western medicine. He quickly passed some out to his junkie friends for more informal testing, but things got complicated in 1970 when the American government cracked down on psychedelics, making ibogaine illegal along with LSD and psilocybin.

Lotsof gained some ground in the mid-’80s when he obtained patents for the use of ibogaine to treat symptoms of multi-drug dependence, but they were never picked up by any pharmaceutical companies and have recently expired.

Nevertheless, since ibogaine remains legal in most other countries, a scattering of informal clinics like the Ibogaine Association have emerged as testimonies spread through personal networks and–more recently–over the Internet.

When Gabriel returns Friday morning, Ray and Ted await him anxiously at the kitchen table. They giggle conspiratorially like two schoolboys who’ve bonded during a week at summer camp, cracking jokes about the stray dogs outside and the boredom of their post-ibogaine confinement.

There is more color in Ray’s face, and he appears physically illuminated from within. He smiles in spite of himself, and his eyes sparkle. But despite the obvious improvement in Ray’s appearance, he says he’s not sure how effective the treatment was. He says he’s feeling good without meth and plans to get rid of the pipe in the motorcycle, but he says he’ll probably keep smoking weed. He is disappointed that he didn’t experience any visions.

“Everything is just alright,” he shrugs. “I still didn’t see no ray of light.”

Back on the road to San Diego, Ray’s quiet until someone on a motorcycle zooms ahead of the van. His eyes light up all over again.

“That’s what I want to do,” he says, “go for a ride.”

The change in Ted is different. No longer in a Vicodin haze, by Friday morning he’s grouchy and cursing. He rubs his shoulder repeatedly through the neck of his T-shirt but says the pain he’s feeling now is from Wednesday night’s overzealous Thai massage. Still, he’s full of praise for the medical staff and leaves a hefty tip for the night nurses.

His hallucinations were much more memorable than Ray’s.

“I saw myself in the Civil War,” Ted tells Gabriel on the ride back to San Diego. “There were themes of honor and courage,” he continues. “I got stabbed in the back by someone with a bayonet, but I didn’t feel fear.” So far he doesn’t regret his decision to come, he says, but isn’t sure he would want to take ibogaine again.

A week after his return, Ted reflects on his experience with a much more optimistic tone.

Now that he isn’t living through a mix of pain and Vicodin, Ted says, his biggest pleasure has been spending more time with his children. “I’m really hoping the effects stay around for awhile,” Ted concludes. “It does feel like my life’s better because of it.”

Despite the fact that most addiction specialists today seem to regard psychedelic addiction therapy as a bygone fancy of Timothy Leary and his ilk, a small community of researchers still strives to find a place for ibogaine in mainstream medicine.

Dr. Stanley Glick, chairman of the department of pharmacology and neuroscience at the Albany Medical Institute, has been studying the effects of ibogaine in drug-addicted rats since the late 1980s. Though he’s published data that confirms ibogaine’s ability to block opiate withdrawal and cravings in animals, initiating clinical research on ibogaine in humans has been trickier.

Though the FDA approved initial stages of clinical research on ibogaine in humans in 1993, protocol was still being developed for the studies when the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) pulled its funding in 1995.

Frank Vocci, director of the Division of Pharmacotherapies and Medical Consequences of Drug Abuse at NIDA, says NIDA’s review panel made the decision not to go forward with the research based on evidence that ibogaine was a neurotoxin in rats and posed other potential health risks like bradychardia (slowed heart rate) and grand mal seizures.

That much of the data NIDA reviewed of ibogaine’s effect on humans came from observations of informal treatment in the Netherlands, rather than clinical research that had passed through peer review, seems to have added to the medical establishment’s already disdainful view of psychedelic therapy.

“I think that we need some published data on ibogaine,” said Vocci in a phone interview. “That’s where I really think this whole issue is, in terms of both safety, metabolism and possible effects.”

However, ibogaine supporters like Patrick Kroupa, a heroin addict for 16 years who recovered with ibogaine and now runs an online discussion board called the Ibogaine List, believe ibogaine will never make it out of Schedule 1 status because pharmaceutical companies–some of whom have representatives on the NIDA review board–don’t see big dollars in the development of a one-time-use drug for a stigmatized population, especially a drug that has known hallucinogenic side effects.

“The pharmaceutical industry exists for one purpose: to make money for their shareholders,” Kroupa said in a phone interview. “There is no pharmaceutical company that could even recover the money it would have to spend to get [ibogaine] through the FDA.”

“To take a drug through the FDA is very expensive,” confirms Dr. Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology and pharmacotherapy at the University of Miami who responded to NIDA’s withdrawal of financial support in 1996 by moving her human research on ibogaine to a facility in the Caribbean. She published her first batch of data in 2000 and then went back to work collecting more evidence.

“The data that was collected from there supports the development track that we’re trying to do with the FDA here,” says Mash. “I’m getting ready now to re-convene the clinical studies in the U.S.”

However, until she does, it seems there won’t be any shortage of people desperate enough for relief to cross national borders for ibogaine treatment.

The Monday after Ray and Ted’s visit to the clinic, three new patients meet Gabriel at the cafe. This time, they’re all there because of heroin.

One of the men changes his pants behind a dumpster as the other two pile into the van. The vibe among the patients is considerably different, but Gabriel’s approach doesn’t change. He remains unswervingly calm and again seems at once respectful and intrigued by his patients’ take on their addictions.

Joe Alex is 51, Hispanic and has a droopy graying moustache. When his withdrawals cause him to sweat, he peels off his sweatshirt to reveal an upper body covered almost entirely in tattoos. He is the oldest of the three passengers but by far the most upbeat. He calls Gabriel “doc” and engages him in friendly conversation.

He says casually that he’s used heroin on and off since he was 18, when he started “out of curiosity.” He’s been in and out of jail many times since, with one four-year sober stretch, during which he became a certified substance-abuse counselor. He says he enjoyed the work and that people told him he was good at it. But he relapsed when he stopped counseling to take part in a family real-estate venture.

“I’ve stopped a thousand times,” he says good-naturedly. “The problem is staying stopped.”

He proves his point as he counts aloud the different times and ways he’s detoxed: cold turkey “about a dozen times,” in the hospital “about two dozen times,” four or five times in Christian homes and six or so times in secular facilities.

He says he hopes he can find his passion, something that will give him something else in life to look forward to.

“I got a Harley I’m passionate about,” he adds, “but I can only keep it clean so much.”

Josh is a former heroin addict currently on methadone, and at 32 is the youngest patient in the past two weeks. He is white and tall, has short brown hair, wears jeans and a green hoodie and carries James Frey’s recovery “memoir” A Million Little Pieces. His skin is yellowish and sallow, and the color of his lips span the spectrum from green to purple. There are dark circles around his eyes and he leans listlessly against the window in the same seat Ray occupied just a week before. He’s shy, and his story emerges haltingly. “A bad roommate” introduced him to heroin nine years ago.

“Six months later, I realized I was in trouble,” he recalls. “The whole time I was doing heroin I wanted to stop.”

He used heroin for four years straight, got clean for three years, but a year ago “a bad breakup” sent him back to the needle. He transitioned to methadone four months ago but is ready to get off it so he can go back to school for shoe design.

It turns out Josh has already been working through a recovery program. He goes to group and individual therapy on a weekly basis and feels like he’s already worked through a lot of the “psychological stuff” that caused his addiction. He isn’t looking for a spiritual awakening with ibogaine, he says–he just wants a fast, easy way to detox off the methadone.

The third man in the van, Jesus, like Joe Alex, has been using drugs since he was in his teens.

“I know why I use–I grew up around it,” Jesus says bluntly. “My brother did it, and I wanted to be like my brother.”

Jesus has a jet-black moustache and wears black jeans, a gray sweatshirt, a baseball cap and a dog tag around his neck that says “father of a soldier.” He has spent 18 of his 41 years in jail, makes not-so-veiled references about gang involvement and is clearly terrified of ibogaine. His watery eyes–a common sign of early opiate withdrawal–dart back and forth around the van like those of a caged animal. He confesses he almost ran away from the van when it stopped at the bank but couldn’t reach anyone from the pay phone. He dominates the conversation in the van, another question pouring out of him while Gabriel is still answering the one before. He’s had bad acid trips before, he says–is this one going to be like that? He’s going to break parole when he crosses the border–what about that? What if they get the blood tests back and find out he can’t take the ibogaine–what will they do for him then? He has overdosed before and his heart has stopped–could that happen again?

Gabriel patiently and repeatedly tries to calm him, but with marginal success.

At the clinic, Jesus chain-smokes on the downstairs patio. His withdrawal symptoms continue to worsen, and even though he is afraid of the ibogaine trip, he tries to persuade Gabriel to let him take it sooner. Instead, Gabriel shows them the ibogaine documentary, hoping it will distract Jesus and help calm his nerves. He wishes them all well–just like last week, he won’t see them again until Friday.

By the time the acupuncturist arrives on Wednesday night, Jesus is already long gone. According to Gabriel, who was contacted by phone in the middle of the night on Monday by one of the night nurses, Jesus remained agitated even after they gave him the ibogaine and was ultimately sent home when he became disruptive toward the other patients.

“Dr. Paula,” who gave Jesus his capsule of ibogaine, said at the time that she personally saw him put it in his mouth.

But the fact that Jesus was active and mobile a few hours after pill was given–highly unusual for someone under the effects of ibogaine–compounded with his vocalized fear of having a bad trip, suggests to Gabriel that Jesus never actually ingested any ibogaine.

Jesus’ own account is quite different. A few days later, over the phone from his home, he says he did take the ibogaine but could still feel painful symptoms of his withdrawal and wanted more drugs to knock him out. When the night nurses wouldn’t give him any, he demanded that they call Gabriel. Once he realized Gabriel was not coming to his aid, Jesus tried to roust Joe Alex, who he believed had methadone. It was around this time that Gabriel instructed the night staff to call a taxi and get Jesus out of the house.

“He treated me with indifference,” Jesus says of Gabriel. “He should have come down, or sent Dr. Paula. His solution was to put me in a taxi and send me on my way.”

Jesus took the taxi all the way home to San Bernardino; his family had to pay for the $300 ride.

“My family didn’t believe in this shit–nobody believed,” Jesus says angrily. “The next thing they see is I’m looking to them to cop some dope. That was so difficult. It was just disappointing.”

It turns out Jesus’ fear of ibogaine may have been more than paranoia. On Jan. 31, a man named Jason Sears died at the Ibogaine Association while receiving treatment for his heroin addiction. Nineteen hours after Sears ingested the ibogaine, his heart monitor sounded, alerting the staff. Gasping for air in the arms of the doctor, Sears died of pulmonary thrombosis, which is the end result of a blood clot that forms in the body over time and eventually travels to the lungs.

Like all the patients who come through the Ibogaine Association, Sears’ heart and liver functions were checked for abnormalities before he was given the ibogaine, says Dr. Medina, who treated Sears at the Tijuana clinic and prefers his first name not be used.

“Evidence shows that ibogaine can slow the pulse of the heart, so it’s a red flag when you have a patient with previous heart disease or rhythm abnormalities,” Medina explains. “That’s why we do an EKG prior to the administration of the ibogaine. He had a perfectly normal heart . His liver enzymes were completely normal.”

Though Sears wasn’t technically killed by ibogaine, there have been a handful of fatalities reported during informal ibogaine treatments worldwide over the past two decades, none of which have been good publicity for the drug.

Mash, who collects her data in a traditional clinical facility with much more extensive medical scrutiny, is afraid her work will eventually be derailed by such ibogaine-related fatalities.

“I get concerned  the more dead bodies we have,” she says. “And at some point the door is going to shut tight forever because of this behavior.”

However, many ibogaine supporters don’t seem overly worried about standards of care at the smaller, informal clinics.

“With all due respect to her opinion,” says Kenneth Alper, associate professor of psychiatry and neurology at New York University and co-author of A Contemporary History of Ibogaine in the United States and Europe, “my approach is simply to appreciate the fact that they exist.”

In contrast to Jesus, Josh and Joe Alex experience ibogaine without incident. Even by Wednesday, Josh’s physical transformation is remarkable. His lips and cheeks are pink again, and he’s much more vibrant and alert. He’s still shy while he describes his trip, but, just like Ray, he seems unable to contain his smile.

“It wasn’t as intense as I expected it to be,” he says. He didn’t have many visions but does recall feeling shame and embarrassment.

“I had probably every feeling,” he says, and then reconsiders. “I wasn’t really scared.”

While Josh didn’t gain too much insight into his addiction, he repeats that that wasn’t his expectation. “I feel almost the same as I did the day before I took [ibogaine],” he says confidently, “but I know I don’t have to do methadone anymore.”

Perhaps because he’s 20 years older, Joe Alex doesn’t recover as fast and is still groggy on Wednesday evening. After some ear-acupuncture, Thai massage and a guided meditation exercise, Joe Alex curls up on the carpet and weeps softly, murmuring that it’s hard to forgive himself, that he is feeling powerful shame and guilt.

When Gabriel comes to pick them up on Friday, Joe Alex’s condition has improved. He and Josh sit side by side on the couch as they wait to depart the clinic, both more mellow and less anxious to depart than Ted and Ray before them. Both men have been through excruciating heroin withdrawals before and seem stunned by their ability to function and feel relatively normal so soon.

By now, Joe Alex is invigorated and chatty. He talks animatedly about all the unfinished business he wants to take care of, like getting his teeth fixed, building another motorcycle and helping his daughter buy a house.

“I’m glad I did this,” he says firmly. “It’s definitely the best detox I’ve ever had.”

On the way back to San Diego, Gabriel stops at a gas station for a pit stop.

“Hey, Doc!” cries Joe Alex like a proud child as he clambers back into the van, “I can feel I’ve got a little spring in my step!”

For Lotsof, Glick and Mash, progress and legitimacy lie in ibogaine derivatives.

There’s not much money to be made in psychedelic drugs, it turns out, and now that Lotsof’s patents on ibogaine have expired, there’s not really much incentive to try.

But second-generation drugs have not yet been patented and look like they might be as successful as ibogaine, in terms of stopping cravings and withdrawal. Glick has already developed one such drug, a synthesized version of ibogaine called 18 MC.

Mash is also working in a similar direction.

“All the data we’ve obtained to date suggests that ibogaine gets converted to an active metabolite and that the active metabolite holds promise as a drug candidate,” Mash explains. “The ibogaine causes the visions. The active metabolite is what blocks opiate withdrawals, the cravings and the desire to use the drugs.”

Until Glick and Mash secure funding to test these non-hallucinatory derivatives on humans, one question remains: how big a part do the visions play in the overall healing process?

One biologist and former crack addict, who asked that his name not be published, told CityBeat in a phone interview that ibogaine presented him with a clear choice to surrender to death or keep on living.

“It doesn’t seem like random images that come up,” he explained. “I saw a man with graying hair. He was sitting alone in a motel room, and I suddenly realized it was myself, and I had to make a decision whether I was going to kill myself or decide not to and lead a healthy life. That was an image I tried to get rid of, but it kept popping up, like that was the crucial thing I was supposed to see.”

Because of testimonials like these, over the years the media has repeatedly portrayed ibogaine as a possible “magic bullet” cure for addiction. But even the most ardent ibogaine supporters say this is hogwash.

“You have to do a tremendous amount of work,” affirms Kroupa, the former heroin addict. “One thing that is absolutely certain is that after ibogaine, you need to have some sort of aftercare plan in place. Whatever that means for you [because] problems will not magically vanish. Ibogaine will not hand you a brand new life.”

CityBeat followed five desperate men to the Ibogaine Association in Tijuana to see firsthand how ibogaine really works. Four of them returned visibly healthier, free from cravings and relatively optimistic about their future. But how far away from their former lives did ibogaine really take them?

As of press time, Ted remains unreachable by phone and e-mail.

Ray has been in jail since Dec. 21, his mother told CityBeat.

“It was almost like he was on a mission once he got home to get back in jail,” she said. “I know that that’s not exactly the case, but that’s what it seemed like. He just went berserk. I was actually glad that he wound up in jail; I was expecting a worse phone call, to be honest.”

Joe Alex checked into a sober-living home at the beginning of December and stayed there for a few weeks. Once he returned home to San Bernardino, he “had some slips” and says he “hasn’t been completely clean.” He is now taking methadone and thinking of going back to the Ibogaine Association for a second treatment.

Josh is still clean, goes to Narcotics Anonymous meetings twice a week, and was on his way to a job interview when CityBeat called to follow up.

“If I ever got in that situation again, I wouldn’t even think twice about doing [ibogaine] again . I was practically dead before,” says Josh. “I hope I don’t. I’m still kind of blown away at how well that worked and the opportunity it’s given me.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story
Date: March 4, 2006 at 9:59:53 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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Yeah, and nearly every bit of information I gave this reporter on the phone is now reported wrong.
Amazingly bad note taking on her part. I’m really disappointed in her. She got just about every single thing I told her wrong, almost.
Peace and love.
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Pathetic religion of sex and crying.
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I nailed the door shut for peace of mind.
You were the first love I ever had.
You hit me high, you hit me low.
Time doesn’t slow down for those who dream.
I wake only to hear this scream”
-Ima Robot (title unknown)

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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story

 

In a message dated 3/3/06 1:47:24 PM, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:

 

San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story. Follows addicts to the Mexico clinic
which has had all the deaths, quotes from Mash, Patrick, Howard, Glick,
Preston. Out of 4 peeps it followed, one is clean, one is doing better
but not clean, one is in jail, the 4th is missing and didn’t return
phone calls or email.

Hi vector,

No quotes from me in the article.  Interesting patient profiles but, significantly inaccurate in that both noribogaine and 18-mc are in fact patented.  One more article sans fact checking.

Howard

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Date: March 4, 2006 at 8:58:29 AM EST
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story
Date: March 3, 2006 at 2:38:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/3/06 1:47:24 PM, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:

San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story. Follows addicts to the Mexico clinic
which has had all the deaths, quotes from Mash, Patrick, Howard, Glick,
Preston. Out of 4 peeps it followed, one is clean, one is doing better
but not clean, one is in jail, the 4th is missing and didn’t return
phone calls or email.

Hi vector,

No quotes from me in the article.  Interesting patient profiles but, significantly inaccurate in that both noribogaine and 18-mc are in fact patented.  One more article sans fact checking.

Howard

From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story
Date: March 3, 2006 at 2:32:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It followed 5, the 5th is the one who complained he was still sick and
the director at Mexico, Nathan Gabriel told them to remove him, so he
left in the middle of the night and took a $300 cab ride home.

1 out of 5 clean, 2 weeks later.

KV

On 3/3/06, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story. Follows addicts to the Mexico clinic
which has had all the deaths, quotes from Mash, Patrick, Howard, Glick,
Preston. Out of 4 peeps it followed, one is clean, one is doing better
but not clean, one is in jail, the 4th is missing and didn’t return
phone calls or email.

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=4102

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story
Date: March 3, 2006 at 1:44:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

San Diego Citybeat Ibogaine story. Follows addicts to the Mexico clinic
which has had all the deaths, quotes from Mash, Patrick, Howard, Glick,
Preston. Out of 4 peeps it followed, one is clean, one is doing better
but not clean, one is in jail, the 4th is missing and didn’t return
phone calls or email.

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=4102

.:vector:.

IBOGAINE
Exploring the new frontier of psychedelic addiction therapy · story and
photos by kia momtazi
by Kia Momtazi

Ray slips his shades back over his eyes and leans against the window as
the van crosses the border into Mexico. It’s noon on Monday, Oct. 31,
and he hasn’t slept in three days. He thinks about the bag of chronic
he threw out the window on the way to meet the guy from the clinic. He
thinks about the pipe load of meth stashed in the seat of his
motorcycle back home. Ray is skeptical—will he really be so changed by
Friday that he’ll be able to go home and throw it away?

Ray is a 33-year-old meth producer, dealer and addict. So far, Ray’s
missing fingerprints are the only physical evidence of his
addiction—they gradually peeled off after repeated contact with so many
chemicals.

Six months ago, after a stint in prison and more than two years clean,
he relapsed and took a leave of absence from refrigerator-repair school
“to go run amok.” The past few months, says Ray, “have been out of
control
. I won’t do anything unless I smoke first. I feel like I just
have to do it.”

He’s afraid that either death or jail is imminent if he doesn’t change
his life.

“I find myself doing stuff that I would never even do normally,” Ray
says. “I have a pocket full of money, but I’m out there robbing
warehouses and things—Target warehouses, Wal-Mart—just to do something.
I’ve got $2,300 in my pocket and I’m sitting there trying to break into
a Coke machine at the Embassy Suites.”

Reluctant to quit partying but desperate to curb his destructive
behavior, Ray is traveling to the Ibogaine Association, a Tijuana
clinic originally founded in Mexico City that treats patients with a
powerful psychedelic—ibogaine—rumored to be able to stop addiction in
its tracks. Legally accepted as an experimental therapy in most
countries, ibogaine is classified as a Schedule 1 substance in the
United States, believed to have a high potential for abuse with no
accepted medical value.

Every Monday, program director Nathen Gabriel meets new patients at
Urban Grind, a café located just north of Balboa Park, and shuttles
them to the clinic, where they stay until he picks them up Friday
morning.

Program director since March 2005, Gabriel has a background in
psychedelic healing and a doctorate in naturopathic medicine. He’s a
lean, compact man in his early 40s with a gaunt face and large eyes
that seem to take everything seriously. He looks like a mystic only
from the neck up, where an elaborate tattoo of serpents twining around
a lotus flower crowns his shaved head and creates the illusion of a
third eye at the base of his skull.

Though he’s worked at the clinic less than a year, Gabriel’s talent for
the job emerges during the 30-minute drive. He’s friendly and sincere
with each patient, asks them straightforward questions about their
addictions and absorbs their answers without judgment. They invariably
ask questions about ibogaine, and when they do, excitement creeps into
his responses.

He explains that ibogaine comes from the root bark of Tabernathe Iboga,
a shrub that grows in Central Africa, and has been used for centuries
in various ceremonies of the Bwiti tribe.

A man named Howard Lotsof, Gabriel says, took ibogaine in 1962 as a
19-year-old junkie chasing a new thrill. After enduring 36 hours of
harrowing visions, Lotsof awoke to find he had no desire to use heroin
and was totally free from any symptoms of withdrawal. He has spent the
rest of his life trying to make ibogaine more readily available for
those in need.

Gabriel himself has taken ibogaine twice, he says—once to better relate
to his patients and again recently in an attempt to curb his pot habit.
Gabriel describes his own personal experience of ibogaine as
“completely hellish” but hastily adds that everyone experiences it
differently.

Before leaving San Diego, Gabriel stops the van at a downtown Days Inn
to pick up another patient. Ted is in his early-50s, has red hair and a
red beard and wears a faded blue-gray polo shirt, green shorts and
athletic socks under Birkenstock sandals. He’s been on Vicodin for
seven years to treat his chronic neck pain—a result of getting hit by a
car while crossing the street 10 years ago—and currently takes 15 to 20
pills every day. He wants to stop and has tried to quit cold turkey
“numerous times” but finds it “physically impossible.”

Though he’s emphatic that the pain he now experiences is from Vicodin
withdrawal and not from his injury, he hopes that at the very least
ibogaine will reset his tolerance to the Vicodin, enabling him to once
again get full relief from a couple of pain pills instead of 20.

Preston Peet, a 38-year-old New York writer, told CityBeat in a phone
interview that he uses ibogaine for just that. Ever since a car
accident 24 years ago, Peet says he has suffered from chronic pain in
his back and legs. Until he took ibogaine for the first time in 2004,
he took four MS-Contins (a morphine-based pain killer) and more than 12
Dilaudids every day for the pain. He’ll live with chronic pain for the
rest of his life, he says, but periodic boosters of ibogaine enable him
to keep his painkiller intake down to a mere two MS-Contins per day.

The van arrives at the clinic—a nondescript house in Tijuana’s most
affluent residential neighborhood—shortly after noon. On the inside,
the four-bedroom house looks more like a travelers’ hostel than a
medical clinic. The only medical equipment in sight is a heart-rate
monitor on the nightstand next to each bed. The walls are sparsely
decorated, the furniture secondhand, and paisley tapestries are draped
over the couches. It was once a grand house, full of high ceilings,
chandeliers and pink marble. The contrast gives it a haunting air of
abandoned opulence.

Gabriel shows Ted and Ray upstairs to their rooms. In turn, they submit
to a blood test, which will be taken to a lab for analysis before they
take the ibogaine later that night. Gabriel collects the $4,000 fee
before their blood is drawn, and a staff member searches their bags for
drugs. At no point does anyone search the patients or their pockets.

When Ted’s wife calls on his cell phone, Ray goes out on the balcony
for a cigarette.

He leans against the railing and smokes pensively.

Hundreds of cigarette butts have collected on the ledge beneath, a
reminder that so many people before Ray have stood smoking on that same
balcony, all probably pondering ibogaine’s power to change them for
good.

Greg Douglass, a musician and recovered heroin addict who’s been clean
since he took ibogaine in 2003, told CityBeat that the visions he
experienced with ibogaine were what changed him the most.

“The whole time I was hallucinating, I didn’t feel like I was
hallucinating,” says Douglass. “I felt like I was being shown something
for a reason. All of a sudden it was right there for me to see
it’s
really marvelous to be on this planet and part of this universe. Why
didn’t I see that before? And all of a sudden it was like this big
black hole got filled in.”

But Ray is skeptical that he will have a psycho-spiritual epiphany with
ibogaine.

“I never saw no ray of light when I was sober,” he says
matter-of-factly. He gloomily predicts the ibogaine won’t work and
he’ll end up being “burned four grand.”

Ray perks up when he remembers that he still gets to trip out one last
time before he’s supposed to turn his life around.

“I want to fry,” Ray says smiling, his eyes lighting up. “Let’s do it.”

Although Ted and Ray are eager to get the treatment underway, hours
remain before the blood tests come back. To kill time and give them a
better picture of what they’re about to experience, Gabriel shows a
documentary about ibogaine called “Ibogaine—Right of Passage.”

Before it ends, Gabriel leaves Ray and Ted in the hands of the medical
staff. Gabriel, whose role is more administrative than medical, won’t
see either of them until he returns on Friday to pick them up and take
them back to San Diego.

Ever since his discovery, Lotsof has reportedly endeavored to make
ibogaine legitimate in Western medicine. He quickly passed some out to
his junkie friends for more informal testing, but things got
complicated in 1970 when the American government cracked down on
psychedelics, making ibogaine illegal along with LSD and psilocybin.

Lotsof gained some ground in the mid-’80s when he obtained patents for
the use of ibogaine to treat symptoms of multi-drug dependence, but
they were never picked up by any pharmaceutical companies and have
recently expired.

Nevertheless, since ibogaine remains legal in most other countries, a
scattering of informal clinics like the Ibogaine Association have
emerged as testimonies spread through personal networks and—more
recently—over the Internet.

When Gabriel returns Friday morning, Ray and Ted await him anxiously at
the kitchen table. They giggle conspiratorially like two schoolboys
who’ve bonded during a week at summer camp, cracking jokes about the
stray dogs outside and the boredom of their post-ibogaine confinement.

There is more color in Ray’s face, and he appears physically
illuminated from within. He smiles in spite of himself, and his eyes
sparkle. But despite the obvious improvement in Ray’s appearance, he
says he’s not sure how effective the treatment was. He says he’s
feeling good without meth and plans to get rid of the pipe in the
motorcycle, but he says he’ll probably keep smoking weed. He is
disappointed that he didn’t experience any visions.

“Everything is just alright,” he shrugs. “I still didn’t see no ray of
light.”

Back on the road to San Diego, Ray’s quiet until someone on a
motorcycle zooms ahead of the van. His eyes light up all over again.

“That’s what I want to do,” he says, “go for a ride.”

The change in Ted is different. No longer in a Vicodin haze, by Friday
morning he’s grouchy and cursing. He rubs his shoulder repeatedly
through the neck of his T-shirt but says the pain he’s feeling now is
from Wednesday night’s overzealous Thai massage. Still, he’s full of
praise for the medical staff and leaves a hefty tip for the night
nurses.

His hallucinations were much more memorable than Ray’s.

“I saw myself in the Civil War,” Ted tells Gabriel on the ride back to
San Diego. “There were themes of honor and courage,” he continues. “I
got stabbed in the back by someone with a bayonet, but I didn’t feel
fear.” So far he doesn’t regret his decision to come, he says, but
isn’t sure he would want to take ibogaine again.

A week after his return, Ted reflects on his experience with a much
more optimistic tone.

Now that he isn’t living through a mix of pain and Vicodin, Ted says,
his biggest pleasure has been spending more time with his children.
“I’m really hoping the effects stay around for awhile,” Ted concludes.
“It does feel like my life’s better because of it.”

Despite the fact that most addiction specialists today seem to regard
psychedelic addiction therapy as a bygone fancy of Timothy Leary and
his ilk, a small community of researchers still strives to find a place
for ibogaine in mainstream medicine.

Dr. Stanley Glick, chairman of the department of pharmacology and
neuroscience at the Albany Medical Institute, has been studying the
effects of ibogaine in drug-addicted rats since the late 1980s. Though
he’s published data that confirms ibogaine’s ability to block opiate
withdrawal and cravings in animals, initiating clinical research on
ibogaine in humans has been trickier.

Though the FDA approved initial stages of clinical research on ibogaine
in humans in 1993, protocol was still being developed for the studies
when the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) pulled its funding in
1995.

Frank Vocci, director of the Division of Pharmacotherapies and Medical
Consequences of Drug Abuse at NIDA, says NIDA’s review panel made the
decision not to go forward with the research based on evidence that
ibogaine was a neurotoxin in rats and posed other potential health
risks like bradychardia (slowed heart rate) and grand mal seizures.

That much of the data NIDA reviewed of ibogaine’s effect on humans came
from observations of informal treatment in the Netherlands, rather than
clinical research that had passed through peer review, seems to have
added to the medical establishment’s already disdainful view of
psychedelic therapy.

“I think that we need some published data on ibogaine,” said Vocci in a
phone interview. “That’s where I really think this whole issue is, in
terms of both safety, metabolism and possible effects.”

However, ibogaine supporters like Patrick Kroupa, a heroin addict for
16 years who recovered with ibogaine and now runs an online discussion
board called the Ibogaine List, believe ibogaine will never make it out
of Schedule 1 status because pharmaceutical companies—some of whom have
representatives on the NIDA review board—don’t see big dollars in the
development of a one-time-use drug for a stigmatized population,
especially a drug that has known hallucinogenic side effects.

“The pharmaceutical industry exists for one purpose: to make money for
their shareholders,” Kroupa said in a phone interview. “There is no
pharmaceutical company that could even recover the money it would have
to spend to get [ibogaine] through the FDA.”

“To take a drug through the FDA is very expensive,” confirms Dr.
Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology and pharmacotherapy at the
University of Miami who responded to NIDA’s withdrawal of financial
support in 1996 by moving her human research on ibogaine to a facility
in the Caribbean. She published her first batch of data in 2000 and
then went back to work collecting more evidence.

“The data that was collected from there supports the development track
that we’re trying to do with the FDA here,” says Mash. “I’m getting
ready now to re-convene the clinical studies in the U.S.”

However, until she does, it seems there won’t be any shortage of people
desperate enough for relief to cross national borders for ibogaine
treatment.

The Monday after Ray and Ted’s visit to the clinic, three new patients
meet Gabriel at the café. This time, they’re all there because of
heroin.

One of the men changes his pants behind a dumpster as the other two
pile into the van. The vibe among the patients is considerably
different, but Gabriel’s approach doesn’t change. He remains
unswervingly calm and again seems at once respectful and intrigued by
his patients’ take on their addictions.

Joe Alex is 51, Hispanic and has a droopy graying moustache. When his
withdrawals cause him to sweat, he peels off his sweatshirt to reveal
an upper body covered almost entirely in tattoos. He is the oldest of
the three passengers but by far the most upbeat. He calls Gabriel “doc”
and engages him in friendly conversation.

He says casually that he’s used heroin on and off since he was 18, when
he started “out of curiosity.” He’s been in and out of jail many times
since, with one four-year sober stretch, during which he became a
certified substance-abuse counselor. He says he enjoyed the work and
that people told him he was good at it. But he relapsed when he stopped
counseling to take part in a family real-estate venture.

“I’ve stopped a thousand times,” he says good-naturedly. “The problem
is staying stopped.”

He proves his point as he counts aloud the different times and ways
he’s detoxed: cold turkey “about a dozen times,” in the hospital “about
two dozen times,” four or five times in Christian homes and six or so
times in secular facilities.

He says he hopes he can find his passion, something that will give him
something else in life to look forward to.

“I got a Harley I’m passionate about,” he adds, “but I can only keep it
clean so much.”

Josh is a former heroin addict currently on methadone, and at 32 is the
youngest patient in the past two weeks. He is white and tall, has short
brown hair, wears jeans and a green hoodie and carries James Frey’s
recovery “memoir” A Million Little Pieces. His skin is yellowish and
sallow, and the color of his lips span the spectrum from green to
purple. There are dark circles around his eyes and he leans listlessly
against the window in the same seat Ray occupied just a week before.
He’s shy, and his story emerges haltingly. “A bad roommate” introduced
him to heroin nine years ago.

“Six months later, I realized I was in trouble,” he recalls. “The whole
time I was doing heroin I wanted to stop.”

He used heroin for four years straight, got clean for three years, but
a year ago “a bad breakup” sent him back to the needle. He transitioned
to methadone four months ago but is ready to get off it so he can go
back to school for shoe design.

It turns out Josh has already been working through a recovery program.
He goes to group and individual therapy on a weekly basis and feels
like he’s already worked through a lot of the “psychological stuff”
that caused his addiction. He isn’t looking for a spiritual awakening
with ibogaine, he says—he just wants a fast, easy way to detox off the
methadone.

The third man in the van, Jesus, like Joe Alex, has been using drugs
since he was in his teens.

“I know why I use—I grew up around it,” Jesus says bluntly. “My brother
did it, and I wanted to be like my brother.”

Jesus has a jet-black moustache and wears black jeans, a gray
sweatshirt, a baseball cap and a dog tag around his neck that says
“father of a soldier.” He has spent 18 of his 41 years in jail, makes
not-so-veiled references about gang involvement and is clearly
terrified of ibogaine. His watery eyes—a common sign of early opiate
withdrawal—dart back and forth around the van like those of a caged
animal. He confesses he almost ran away from the van when it stopped at
the bank but couldn’t reach anyone from the pay phone. He dominates the
conversation in the van, another question pouring out of him while
Gabriel is still answering the one before. He’s had bad acid trips
before, he says—is this one going to be like that? He’s going to break
parole when he crosses the border—what about that? What if they get the
blood tests back and find out he can’t take the ibogaine—what will they
do for him then? He has overdosed before and his heart has
stopped—could that happen again?

Gabriel patiently and repeatedly tries to calm him, but with marginal
success.

At the clinic, Jesus chain-smokes on the downstairs patio. His
withdrawal symptoms continue to worsen, and even though he is afraid of
the ibogaine trip, he tries to persuade Gabriel to let him take it
sooner. Instead, Gabriel shows them the ibogaine documentary, hoping it
will distract Jesus and help calm his nerves. He wishes them all
well—just like last week, he won’t see them again until Friday.

By the time the acupuncturist arrives on Wednesday night, Jesus is
already long gone. According to Gabriel, who was contacted by phone in
the middle of the night on Monday by one of the night nurses, Jesus
remained agitated even after they gave him the ibogaine and was
ultimately sent home when he became disruptive toward the other
patients.

“Dr. Paula,” who gave Jesus his capsule of ibogaine, said at the time
that she personally saw him put it in his mouth.

But the fact that Jesus was active and mobile a few hours after pill
was given—highly unusual for someone under the effects of
ibogaine—compounded with his vocalized fear of having a bad trip,
suggests to Gabriel that Jesus never actually ingested any ibogaine.

Jesus’ own account is quite different. A few days later, over the phone
from his home, he says he did take the ibogaine but could still feel
painful symptoms of his withdrawal and wanted more drugs to knock him
out. When the night nurses wouldn’t give him any, he demanded that they
call Gabriel. Once he realized Gabriel was not coming to his aid, Jesus
tried to roust Joe Alex, who he believed had methadone. It was around
this time that Gabriel instructed the night staff to call a taxi and
get Jesus out of the house.

“He treated me with indifference,” Jesus says of Gabriel. “He should
have come down, or sent Dr. Paula. His solution was to put me in a taxi
and send me on my way.”

Jesus took the taxi all the way home to San Bernardino; his family had
to pay for the $300 ride.

“My family didn’t believe in this shit—nobody believed,” Jesus says
angrily. “The next thing they see is I’m looking to them to cop some
dope. That was so difficult. It was just disappointing.”

It turns out Jesus’ fear of ibogaine may have been more than paranoia.
On Jan. 31, a man named Jason Sears died at the Ibogaine Association
while receiving treatment for his heroin addiction. Nineteen hours
after Sears ingested the ibogaine, his heart monitor sounded, alerting
the staff. Gasping for air in the arms of the doctor, Sears died of
pulmonary thrombosis, which is the end result of a blood clot that
forms in the body over time and eventually travels to the lungs.

Like all the patients who come through the Ibogaine Association, Sears’
heart and liver functions were checked for abnormalities before he was
given the ibogaine, says Dr. Medina, who treated Sears at the Tijuana
clinic and prefers his first name not be used.

“Evidence shows that ibogaine can slow the pulse of the heart, so it’s
a red flag when you have a patient with previous heart disease or
rhythm abnormalities,” Medina explains. “That’s why we do an EKG prior
to the administration of the ibogaine. He had a perfectly normal
heart
. His liver enzymes were completely normal.”

Though Sears wasn’t technically killed by ibogaine, there have been a
handful of fatalities reported during informal ibogaine treatments
worldwide over the past two decades, none of which have been good
publicity for the drug.

Mash, who collects her data in a traditional clinical facility with
much more extensive medical scrutiny, is afraid her work will
eventually be derailed by such ibogaine-related fatalities.

“I get concerned
the more dead bodies we have,” she says. “And at some
point the door is going to shut tight forever because of this
behavior.”

However, many ibogaine supporters don’t seem overly worried about
standards of care at the smaller, informal clinics.

“With all due respect to her opinion,” says Kenneth Alper, associate
professor of psychiatry and neurology at New York University and
co-author of A Contemporary History of Ibogaine in the United States
and Europe, “my approach is simply to appreciate the fact that they
exist.”

In contrast to Jesus, Josh and Joe Alex experience ibogaine without
incident. Even by Wednesday, Josh’s physical transformation is
remarkable. His lips and cheeks are pink again, and he’s much more
vibrant and alert. He’s still shy while he describes his trip, but,
just like Ray, he seems unable to contain his smile.

“It wasn’t as intense as I expected it to be,” he says. He didn’t have
many visions but does recall feeling shame and embarrassment.

“I had probably every feeling,” he says, and then reconsiders. “I
wasn’t really scared.”

While Josh didn’t gain too much insight into his addiction, he repeats
that that wasn’t his expectation. “I feel almost the same as I did the
day before I took [ibogaine],” he says confidently, “but I know I don’t
have to do methadone anymore.”

Perhaps because he’s 20 years older, Joe Alex doesn’t recover as fast
and is still groggy on Wednesday evening. After some ear-acupuncture,
Thai massage and a guided meditation exercise, Joe Alex curls up on the
carpet and weeps softly, murmuring that it’s hard to forgive himself,
that he is feeling powerful shame and guilt.

When Gabriel comes to pick them up on Friday, Joe Alex’s condition has
improved. He and Josh sit side by side on the couch as they wait to
depart the clinic, both more mellow and less anxious to depart than Ted
and Ray before them. Both men have been through excruciating heroin
withdrawals before and seem stunned by their ability to function and
feel relatively normal so soon.

By now, Joe Alex is invigorated and chatty. He talks animatedly about
all the unfinished business he wants to take care of, like getting his
teeth fixed, building another motorcycle and helping his daughter buy

a house.

“I’m glad I did this,” he says firmly. “It’s definitely the best detox
I’ve ever had.”

On the way back to San Diego, Gabriel stops at a gas station for a pit
stop.

“Hey, Doc!” cries Joe Alex like a proud child as he clambers back into
the van, “I can feel I’ve got a little spring in my step!”

For Lotsof, Glick and Mash, progress and legitimacy lie in ibogaine
derivatives.

There’s not much money to be made in psychedelic drugs, it turns out,
and now that Lotsof’s patents on ibogaine have expired, there’s not
really much incentive to try.

But second-generation drugs have not yet been patented and look like
they might be as successful as ibogaine, in terms of stopping cravings
and withdrawal. Glick has already developed one such drug, a
synthesized version of ibogaine called 18 MC.

Mash is also working in a similar direction.

“All the data we’ve obtained to date suggests that ibogaine gets
converted to an active metabolite and that the active metabolite holds
promise as a drug candidate,” Mash explains. “The ibogaine causes the
visions. The active metabolite is what blocks opiate withdrawals, the
cravings and the desire to use the drugs.”

Until Glick and Mash secure funding to test these non-hallucinatory
derivatives on humans, one question remains: how big a part do the
visions play in the overall healing process?

One biologist and former crack addict, who asked that his name not be
published, told CityBeat in a phone interview that ibogaine presented
him with a clear choice to surrender to death or keep on living.

“It doesn’t seem like random images that come up,” he explained. “I saw
a man with graying hair. He was sitting alone in a motel room, and I
suddenly realized it was myself, and I had to make a decision whether I
was going to kill myself or decide not to and lead a healthy life. That
was an image I tried to get rid of, but it kept popping up, like that
was the crucial thing I was supposed to see.”

Because of testimonials like these, over the years the media has
repeatedly portrayed ibogaine as a possible “magic bullet” cure for
addiction. But even the most ardent ibogaine supporters say this is
hogwash.

“You have to do a tremendous amount of work,” affirms Kroupa, the
former heroin addict. “One thing that is absolutely certain is that
after ibogaine, you need to have some sort of aftercare plan in place.
Whatever that means for you [because] problems will not magically
vanish. Ibogaine will not hand you a brand new life.”

CityBeat followed five desperate men to the Ibogaine Association in
Tijuana to see firsthand how ibogaine really works. Four of them
returned visibly healthier, free from cravings and relatively
optimistic about their future. But how far away from their former lives
did ibogaine really take them?

As of press time, Ted remains unreachable by phone and e-mail.

Ray has been in jail since Dec. 21, his mother told CityBeat.

“It was almost like he was on a mission once he got home to get back in
jail,” she said. “I know that that’s not exactly the case, but that’s
what it seemed like. He just went berserk. I was actually glad that he
wound up in jail; I was expecting a worse phone call, to be honest.”

Joe Alex checked into a sober-living home at the beginning of December
and stayed there for a few weeks. Once he returned home to San
Bernardino, he “had some slips” and says he “hasn’t been completely
clean.” He is now taking methadone and thinking of going back to the
Ibogaine Association for a second treatment.

Josh is still clean, goes to Narcotics Anonymous meetings twice a week,
and was on his way to a job interview when CityBeat called to follow
up.

“If I ever got in that situation again, I wouldn’t even think twice
about doing [ibogaine] again
. I was practically dead before,” says
Josh. “I hope I don’t. I’m still kind of blown away at how well that
worked and the opportunity it’s given me.”

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] update marc emery
Date: March 3, 2006 at 1:19:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Newshawk: Herb
Pubdate: Thu, 02 Mar 2006
Source: Metro (CN BC)
Copyright: Metro 2006
Contact: vancouverletters@metronews.ca
Website: http://www.metronews.ca/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/3775
Author: Jared Ferrie, Metro Vancouver
Note: 60 Minutes is on CBS, not CBC. Please see the show details on
Marc at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/02/60minutes/main1363340.shtml
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mjcn.htm (Cannabis – Canada)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/decrim.htm (Decrim/Legalization)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Marc+Emery (Emery, Marc)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Baghdadlian

‘PRINCE OF POT’ PONDERS PREDICAMENT

Tuesday’s announcement that the RCMP busted an Internet cannabis seed
selling operation in Montreal has Vancouver’s ‘Prince of Pot’
contemplating charges laid against him for the same crime.

Marijuana activist Marc Emery is facing life in prison, but he
suggested Montreal ringleader Richard Baghdadlian might get two years.

The difference? Emery is fighting extradition to the United States,
while Baghdadlian is being charged in Canada.

The RCMP accuses Baghdadlian of selling seeds in North America and
“elsewhere in the world.”

Emery said that although Baghdadlian was likely selling seeds in the
U.S., he is not being charged there because, “There was no political
aspect to it.”

RCMP Staff Sgt. John Ward said the Americans had the right to charge
Emery, as he was selling seeds in the U.S.

Emery will appear on CBC’s 60 Minutes this Sunday at 7 p.m.

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] OT I can’t help it
Date: March 3, 2006 at 6:53:27 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy asked about Nice Shot >Can you play this one? I had to ask. This was the first song I listened to after my Ibogaine treatment for Methadone. God, it sounded killer. For me the guitar part is tricky because of the timing involved. Drop D tuning is used for all it is worth here, and I wish I could scream like that without wrecking my voice.<

I keep meaning to learn this one actually, having just recently discovered the rest of the album and deciding I really do like Filter a lot. I’ve always loved this song but only listened to it and maybe the next one then changed cds all the time. Silly me.
Also, thanks for the “drop D” hint, that’ll help once I do break out the guitar WHILE listening to this.
Timing is something I REALLY have to work on too, forgetting when playing all by my lonesome how important that timing stuff is- until I started jamming with Lucas and realized, “Hell, there are TOO many beats in this measure,” or “Hey, why are there so few beats in just this ONE measure here?” LOL!
I’ve been playing along to Green Day’s American Idiot lately, and want to learn the entire Subhuman’s EP-LP next.
;-))

I wish we could have jammed when I was last in the city. Next time I’m there we absolutely have to play some.<

I think, if I remember correctly, this was my bad, not yours. Now I’m not quite as distracted.
I would love jamming with you Randy (and I’d love for you to give me that gorgeous guitar too, that all-white beaut you have, but I suppose I’m pipe dreaming at this early hour- I should be asleep as I have to call at 8AM for a call time today for some film the casting agent wanted a “tattoed and pierced musician type” for, but the call time ain’t ’til 11ish- or so they thought yesterday when booking me but as noted I still have to call at 8- and I got up around 1:30 this morning, having taken a nap that turned into 7 and a half hours, which means I got my night’s sleep VERY early, leaving me a bit nervous about being on set a whole 10 hours after I got up, which means I’m going to have a VERY long day today- and hopefully wreak a good check out of it too.
My point being my sleep patterns are really really weird lately. I’ve been sleeping very soundly with tons of dreaming, just as I always have on and off opiates, etc, but I seem to still be on Amsterdam or at least Preston time.
;-)))
Randy, moving lotsa dirt and getting a provider to give you a massage despite the color of your gonads does sound a LOT more appealing to “shooting up in a dirty bathroom somewhere.”
Sooner than later we’ll jam, promise. So long as you come back to the Rotten Apple at some point.
Peace and love.

—–
“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] OT I can’t help it

In a message dated 3/3/06 5:11:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

That’s why I say hey man nice shot.
What a good shot man.
A man has gone.
Hey man have fun.
Nice shot.
I wish I woulda met you.
Filter- “Nice Shot

Can you play this one? I had to ask. This was the first song I listened to after my Ibogaine treatment for Methadone. God, it sounded killer. For me the guitar part is tricky because of the timing involved. Drop D tuning is used for all it is worth here, and I wish I could scream like that without wrecking my voice. I wish we could have jammed when I was last in the city. Next time I’m there we absolutely have to play some.
I hope things are going good for you my friend, me, I’m losing my mind here. I’m wondering if I have done the right thing. I’m involved with the movement, but I’m pretty much on my own. Working makes me so tired I can’t seem to get much done. I was afraid that this would happen. I have a pretty much all consuming job. Lot’s of addicts here but they are pretty skeptical about Ibogaine. Please tell me it will take some time and I’m doing the right thing. I’ve been operating heavy equipment though and that kind of rocks. All that horse power and torque with the turbo screaming as I bite into some dirt takes me away from my troubles some but as soon as I leave work I start to worry. I came back here for a reason and it’s just not going the way I wanted it to. Not to mention all of my pain issues have come screaming back with a vengeance that I didn’t expect. Ibuprofen helps…………I just had a thought though. I have an Ibo friend here who does massage therapy and has offered to try and help my back.There is nothing I can do for my wrist. I just can’t get past how good looking she is and I don’t know how I would react to her rubbing me like that………………………………..yes I do, I’ll lose my freakin’ mind that’s why I haven’t let her touch me. Aint I a sick fucker? But as Dimitri says, “It beats shooting up in a dirty bathroom somewhere.” I miss you guys. A lot.           Skeeter

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] OT I can’t help it
Date: March 3, 2006 at 5:58:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/3/06 5:11:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

That’s why I say hey man nice shot.
What a good shot man.
A man has gone.
Hey man have fun.
Nice shot.
I wish I woulda met you.
Filter- “Nice Shot

Can you play this one? I had to ask. This was the first song I listened to after my Ibogaine treatment for Methadone. God, it sounded killer. For me the guitar part is tricky because of the timing involved. Drop D tuning is used for all it is worth here, and I wish I could scream like that without wrecking my voice. I wish we could have jammed when I was last in the city. Next time I’m there we absolutely have to play some.
I hope things are going good for you my friend, me, I’m losing my mind here. I’m wondering if I have done the right thing. I’m involved with the movement, but I’m pretty much on my own. Working makes me so tired I can’t seem to get much done. I was afraid that this would happen. I have a pretty much all consuming job. Lot’s of addicts here but they are pretty skeptical about Ibogaine. Please tell me it will take some time and I’m doing the right thing. I’ve been operating heavy equipment though and that kind of rocks. All that horse power and torque with the turbo screaming as I bite into some dirt takes me away from my troubles some but as soon as I leave work I start to worry. I came back here for a reason and it’s just not going the way I wanted it to. Not to mention all of my pain issues have come screaming back with a vengeance that I didn’t expect. Ibuprofen helps…………I just had a thought though. I have an Ibo friend here who does massage therapy and has offered to try and help my back.There is nothing I can do for my wrist. I just can’t get past how good looking she is and I don’t know how I would react to her rubbing me like that………………………………..yes I do, I’ll lose my freakin’ mind that’s why I haven’t let her touch me. Aint I a sick fucker? But as Dimitri says, “It beats shooting up in a dirty bathroom somewhere.” I miss you guys. A lot.           Skeeter

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the body b/4 one can switch to pure bup
Date: March 3, 2006 at 2:34:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul:
Thanks again bro, slow learner here. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the body b/4 one can switch to pure bup

Hi Ron,
I explained all of this before to you mate. If you are on too high a dose of Methadone, say over 20ml, you are gong to have a rough five days withdrawal. The Methadone will be out of your system, blood clean, in four days.
You can switch from Methadone to a single Ion Opiate, Buprenorphine, after abstinence of said Methadone, after 30-48 hours. If you can hold out until day five with nothing then you will not withdraw when you take the Buprenorphine. You have to experience at least 4 or five days withdrawal either way. Plus you have to stop all of the short acting Opiates as well. Oxy and all Codeines. If you take the shorter root of 4 days, then abstain all Opiates for 30 hours and then take a small amount of Buprenorphine. At this stage, seeing that you are not blood clean, the Buprenophine will have an antagonist affect on the rest of the Methadone in your blood. (Remember it takes four days to get blood clean off Methadone. Short acting, half that and slow release or sustained release, four days.)
You will experience a withdrawal on a Parr with you waiting four days. But you can control this at this time with small amounts of short acting.
You should be stable on just Buprenophine by day seven.
I am trying to help you mate. There ain’t no easy way, cos believe me bro, When I say I have tried many different ways of switching from one Opiate to another and it ain’t easy. You didn’t get where you are today without it taking you many days, weeks, months, years, your whole life. You are the sum total of that life. You are in control, as much as society and your conscience will allow. If you build a prison in your mind, then remember, you made it, so you can take down the walls and walk out. It is your choice. No one can make it for you. You can only listen to advice and then come to your own conclusions of what is or is not real.
I can only give you my experience as a guide. Someone may have a better idea than me. If they do then I wish that I knew about it, 10-20 odd years back! Then I wouldn’t still be fighting a beast I am only just beginning to understand, after many years of non self exploration and only self experimentation and self abuse, looking for the answers to who I am today.
I would just like to add also at this point, to whoever is reading this. I do not give a monkeys hind ——- whoever I stomp all over on this list, with my views. At least I can say that I have took the time to investigate and study, with body and mind, what I say. So if it brings the person closer to a point of looking at themselves, then I have done a good job!!! So sod you lot who just do not agree, Debate,!!! Speak, but put your brain in gear before you act please. Stupid comments like “just swapping one addiction for another” are just totally useless, and just prove to me, that the person has not even thought of or lived the life of Physical Addiction and the ways in which to cope with this condition. All debate can never be called negative, as exchange of views is paramount to man so that he may understand how he fits in this crazy world.
I wish all of you the best in your quests for what you are looking for. But please remember we where born with all the tools we need to live, it is just that this crazy world has made us not use them(prevented us from using, or never allowed us to) for so long that we have forgotten, how to live and be and enjoy just being alive.
For surely that is what we are all looking for. But firstly we must look to ourselves and see,(if we can) where we are not connecting with ourselves and rectify this. For when we connect with ourselves we shall automatically connect with the world. The energy of pure life force is very contagious. Are you just alive or are you living your life?
Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

 

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the bodyy b/4 one can switch to pure bup
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:01:04 -0600

anyone know how long it takes methadone to clear the body after last dose b/4 one can take the pure Bup? thanks , ron ( to avoid withdrawals).
as a follow up,  if one takes bup b/4 the meth clears and goes into w/ds, how long do the w/ds last before one can get comfortable w/ bup?  thanks to all, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

 

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

A randomised clinical trial of methadone vs. buprenorphine to opioid dependants. Kristensen O, Espegren O, Asland R, Jakobsen E, Lie O, Seiler S. Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen 2005 125;2:148-151

 

Dear Colleagues,

After decades of denial in Norway, methadone was finally introduced in 1998 and buprenorphine in 2000 for opioid dependence.  These researchers set out to compare the effects of the two maintenance therapies in their own drug using population.

 

There were 50 long term (>10 years) opioid dependent subjects randomised to receive 16mg fixed dose buprenorphine or variable dose methadone (mean daily dose 106mg, range 80-160mg) over 6 months observation.  Patient retention rate was 85% in the methadone group and 36% for those prescribed buprenorphine.  Opiate positive urine tests were slightly lower in the methadone group (20% vs. 24%).  Importantly, the methadone subjects reported less high risk behaviour.  For some reason, only the buprenorphine group (or the minority who remained in the trial) reported significant improvements in general health.

 

This small study should be the last to compare methadone and buprenorphine in this way.  Their results were predictable, adding little more than Scandinavian corroboration to 20 years of preceding research. The fixed dose buprenorphine dosing schedule here was probably based on a successful Swedish model (Kakko, 2003).  However, methadone and buprenorphine should both be prescribed in tailored doses according to clinical need, using appropriate increments (eg 5mg for methadone, 0.4mg for buprenorphine).  It is likely that some buprenorphine patients in this trial dropped out because they received too little or too much of the drug (32mg is the maximum recommended dose).  I could only access this abstract in English translation, so I am not able to bring further details at this point.

 

There is no longer any doubt that both methadone and buprenorphine are effective for substantial numbers of heroin addicted subjects treated with adequate supervised (and flexible) doses along with psychosocial supports.

 

From a body of research, including numerous RCT’s, we know that when compared to buprenorphine: (1) methadone generally suits a higher proportion of the total and (2) it reduces the use of other opiates to a greater degree and (3) whilst in treatment, such patients are less likely to be involved in high risk behaviours.  Methadone is also considered to be safe in pregnancy and is much cheaper and easier to administer.  Thus methadone should probably still be our preferred first option and buprenorphine kept in reserve for particular indications.  If there are concerns about patients misusing methadone then take-away doses should be limited until stability has been demonstrated.  It may be that long-term users are less likely to fare well on buprenorphine, as shown in this study.

 

It is unfortunate that decisions for physicians and especially for patients are frequently dictated not by clinical considerations as much as by regulatory constraints.  In some countries (and for no logical reason) these are far more onerous and odious for methadone, while others artificially restrict or even ban the use of buprenorphine for addiction treatment, despite almost 20 years of favourable research.

 

My feeling is that buprenorphine should be available as an option to all patients who report problems taking methadone.  Such patients, however, should be carefully monitored since a high proportion relapse (in this case 74% within 6 months) and may need to transfer back to methadone or to consider other alternatives such as detoxification.

 

There is no indication that new combination formulation of buprenorphine (with naloxone) will be any more effective than the pure product.  Some evidence points towards lowered efficacy (50% higher doses were required in one small comparative trial).  While some have stated that sublingual naloxone is not relevant clinically, others have found objective changes and significant absorption (10% or more).  Naloxone has a rapid serum clearance time (~5 minute half life) but its serum half life following distribution is just over one hour.  While one hopes for less diversion with this formulation, Charles (Bob) Schuster writes: “It is unlikely, however, that any formulation can be developed that cannot be altered by ‘street chemists’ into a more abusable form.”

 

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

 

References:

 

Harris DS, Jones RT,  Welm S, Upton RA, Lin E, Mendelson J. Buprenorphine and naloxone co-administration in opiate-dependent patients stabilized on sublingual buprenorphine. 2000 Drug and Alcohol Dependence 61:85-94

 

Berkowitz BA. The relationship of pharmacokinetic to pharmacological activity: morphine, methadone and naloxone. Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976 1;3:219-30

 

Kakko J, Svanborg KD, Kreek MJ, Heilig M. 1-year retention and social function after buprenorphine-associated relapse prevention treatment for heroin dependence in Sweden: a randomised, placebo-controlled trial. (2003) Lancet 361:662-668

 

Schuster CR. History and current perspectives on the use of drug formulations to decrease the abuse of prescription drugs. Drug and Alcohol Dependence (2006 in press, pre-publication version, accessed 28/2/06)

 

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Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)

Dependency Medicine,

75 Redfern Street, Redfern,

New South Wales, 2016, Australia

Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au

Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631

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Thomas De Quincey’s Confessions book on free web site:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2040/2040-h/2040-h.htm

My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:

http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm

Author of: “Addict in the Family” and

“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”

http://www.csdp.org/addict/

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

 

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

 

 

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From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: March 2, 2006 at 6:10:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

since the legalizing of ibogaine seems like a lost fight why not focus on spreading the word about it?

Or get more specialized about legalization.  Look at the Church in Texas that got the legal right to use DMT tea in their services!  Perhaps what is needed is an American Church of Transformational Ascendance, or some such, that believes Ibogaine is a route to personal salvation, etc.  Once incorporated, I’ll bet such an organization could offer “religious” drug counseling without being interfered with by the government.  If the Church of Scientology can offer the Purification Rundown based on Niacin and vitamins, I’ll bet such a Church could use Ibogaine for similar purposes.

why not spend all that effort in marketing it?……in reality anyone can obtain it, whether from illegal sources or legally in canada, whatever, so the fact that its illegal in the US does not stop anybody from taking it

That’s not really true.  LSD is illegal in the US, and while you might be able to find a source for it through the underground, it requires major change of lifestyle sometimes and a significant degree of risk.  I might be able to find DMT or Ibogaine sources, but I can’t just go down to the druggist and buy it, and I SHOULD be able to.

what stops most people from taking it is the fact that they dont know it exists

And don’t know where to get it.

maybe just maybe the goverment would take a different stand on it if 100.00 people knew about and affirmed its effects rathen than just a handfull of people (although i really doubt it)

This hasn’t affected their view of marijuana, where millions of people are regular users, and many states have legalized it for personal consumption.

anyway just my thoughts after reading the powerpoint presantation

m

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:45:34 EST

I’ve placed my powerpoint presentation on the Ibogaine Dossier.  The presentation is titled, Ibogaine Development: Politics, Policy, Prejudice, Profit and Science.  The file is 5 mb. I hope you find the slide show interesting.

You can obtain it from the first topic link on the Opinion page on either the US or EU sites.

http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html or http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/opinion.html

Let me know what you think.  Constructive criticism appreciated.

Howard

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: March 2, 2006 at 4:59:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

since the legalizing of ibogaine seems like a lost fight why not focus on spreading the word about it?
why not spend all that effort in marketing it?……in reality anyone can obtain it, whether from illegal sources or legally in canada, whatever, so the fact that its illegal in the US does not stop anybody from taking it
what stops most people from taking it is the fact that they dont know it exists
maybe just maybe the goverment would take a different stand on it if 100.00 people knew about and affirmed its effects rathen than just a handfull of people (although i really doubt it)
anyway just my thoughts after reading the powerpoint presantation
m
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:45:34 EST

I’ve placed my powerpoint presentation on the Ibogaine Dossier.  The presentation is titled, Ibogaine Development: Politics, Policy, Prejudice, Profit and Science.  The file is 5 mb. I hope you find the slide show interesting.

You can obtain it from the first topic link on the Opinion page on either the US or EU sites.

http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html or http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/opinion.html

Let me know what you think.  Constructive criticism appreciated.

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] conference presentation
Date: March 2, 2006 at 2:45:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve placed my powerpoint presentation on the Ibogaine Dossier.  The presentation is titled, Ibogaine Development: Politics, Policy, Prejudice, Profit and Science.  The file is 5 mb. I hope you find the slide show interesting.

You can obtain it from the first topic link on the Opinion page on either the US or EU sites.

http://www.ibogaine.org/opinion.html or http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/opinion.html

Let me know what you think.  Constructive criticism appreciated.

Howard

From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 2, 2006 at 2:21:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry you are right, Ken Alper was the MD who kept going and going and
going and going, Lee Albert was the healing angels person in the
Daniel Pinchbeck ‘love and light death match’

broc

On 3/2/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
You have Ken Alper< MD and Lee Albert author discussing angels confused.

Howard

In a message dated 3/1/06 6:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
richardh_2005@hotmail.com writes:

 

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
ego war on stage

 

Very cool. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same.
I still can’t believe I missed this. I would have liked to seen the “Freak
rolling a joint with the long hair. C’mon Preston you gonna share that? And
the shorter dude with the shaved head? Freakin’ people let anybody in the
room? I can imagine it was my mad Greek friend whom I miss dearly along with
all my other NYC friends. And Dana……….I think he is already the Pope.
Got my vote anyway. Did anybody record this for prosperity? How ’bout a copy
for a mentally bored physically exhausted country boy? What about it
Patrick? Did I miss anything I should know about? I had an update every few
hours but it only made me feel left out and lonely. I miss NYC.
“I am an egomaniac with an inferiority complex”      Skeeter

 

 

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the body b/4 one can switch to pure bup
Date: March 2, 2006 at 1:04:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron,
I explained all of this before to you mate. If you are on too high a dose of Methadone, say over 20ml, you are gong to have a rough five days withdrawal. The Methadone will be out of your system, blood clean, in four days.
You can switch from Methadone to a single Ion Opiate, Buprenorphine, after abstinence of said Methadone, after 30-48 hours. If you can hold out until day five with nothing then you will not withdraw when you take the Buprenorphine. You have to experience at least 4 or five days withdrawal either way. Plus you have to stop all of the short acting Opiates as well. Oxy and all Codeines. If you take the shorter root of 4 days, then abstain all Opiates for 30 hours and then take a small amount of Buprenorphine. At this stage, seeing that you are not blood clean, the Buprenophine will have an antagonist affect on the rest of the Methadone in your blood. (Remember it takes four days to get blood clean off Methadone. Short acting, half that and slow release or sustained release, four days.)
You will experience a withdrawal on a Parr with you waiting four days. But you can control this at this time with small amounts of short acting.
You should be stable on just Buprenophine by day seven.
I am trying to help you mate. There ain’t no easy way, cos believe me bro, When I say I have tried many different ways of switching from one Opiate to another and it ain’t easy. You didn’t get where you are today without it taking you many days, weeks, months, years, your whole life. You are the sum total of that life. You are in control, as much as society and your conscience will allow. If you build a prison in your mind, then remember, you made it, so you can take down the walls and walk out. It is your choice. No one can make it for you. You can only listen to advice and then come to your own conclusions of what is or is not real.
I can only give you my experience as a guide. Someone may have a better idea than me. If they do then I wish that I knew about it, 10-20 odd years back! Then I wouldn’t still be fighting a beast I am only just beginning to understand, after many years of non self exploration and only self experimentation and self abuse, looking for the answers to who I am today.
I would just like to add also at this point, to whoever is reading this. I do not give a monkeys hind ——- whoever I stomp all over on this list, with my views. At least I can say that I have took the time to investigate and study, with body and mind, what I say. So if it brings the person closer to a point of looking at themselves, then I have done a good job!!! So sod you lot who just do not agree, Debate,!!! Speak, but put your brain in gear before you act please. Stupid comments like “just swapping one addiction for another” are just totally useless, and just prove to me, that the person has not even thought of or lived the life of Physical Addiction and the ways in which to cope with this condition. All debate can never be called negative, as exchange of views is paramount to man so that he may understand how he fits in this crazy world.
I wish all of you the best in your quests for what you are looking for. But please remember we where born with all the tools we need to live, it is just that this crazy world has made us not use them(prevented us from using, or never allowed us to) for so long that we have forgotten, how to live and be and enjoy just being alive.
For surely that is what we are all looking for. But firstly we must look to ourselves and see,(if we can) where we are not connecting with ourselves and rectify this. For when we connect with ourselves we shall automatically connect with the world. The energy of pure life force is very contagious. Are you just alive or are you living your life?
Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

 

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the bodyy b/4 one can switch to pure bup
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:01:04 -0600

anyone know how long it takes methadone to clear the body after last dose b/4 one can take the pure Bup? thanks , ron ( to avoid withdrawals).
as a follow up,  if one takes bup b/4 the meth clears and goes into w/ds, how long do the w/ds last before one can get comfortable w/ bup?  thanks to all, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

 

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

A randomised clinical trial of methadone vs. buprenorphine to opioid dependants. Kristensen O, Espegren O, Asland R, Jakobsen E, Lie O, Seiler S. Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen 2005 125;2:148-151

 

Dear Colleagues,

After decades of denial in Norway, methadone was finally introduced in 1998 and buprenorphine in 2000 for opioid dependence.  These researchers set out to compare the effects of the two maintenance therapies in their own drug using population.

 

There were 50 long term (>10 years) opioid dependent subjects randomised to receive 16mg fixed dose buprenorphine or variable dose methadone (mean daily dose 106mg, range 80-160mg) over 6 months observation.  Patient retention rate was 85% in the methadone group and 36% for those prescribed buprenorphine.  Opiate positive urine tests were slightly lower in the methadone group (20% vs. 24%).  Importantly, the methadone subjects reported less high risk behaviour.  For some reason, only the buprenorphine group (or the minority who remained in the trial) reported significant improvements in general health.

 

This small study should be the last to compare methadone and buprenorphine in this way.  Their results were predictable, adding little more than Scandinavian corroboration to 20 years of preceding research.  The fixed dose buprenorphine dosing schedule here was probably based on a successful Swedish model (Kakko, 2003).  However, methadone and buprenorphine should both be prescribed in tailored doses according to clinical need, using appropriate increments (eg 5mg for methadone, 0.4mg for buprenorphine).  It is likely that some buprenorphine patients in this trial dropped out because they received too little or too much of the drug (32mg is the maximum recommended dose).  I could only access this abstract in English translation, so I am not able to bring further details at this point.

 

There is no longer any doubt that both methadone and buprenorphine are effective for substantial numbers of heroin addicted subjects treated with adequate supervised (and flexible) doses along with psychosocial supports.

 

From a body of research, including numerous RCT’s, we know that when compared to buprenorphine: (1) methadone generally suits a higher proportion of the total and (2) it reduces the use of other opiates to a greater degree and (3) whilst in treatment, such patients are less likely to be involved in high risk behaviours.  Methadone is also considered to be safe in pregnancy and is much cheaper and easier to administer.  Thus methadone should probably still be our preferred first option and buprenorphine kept in reserve for particular indications.  If there are concerns about patients misusing methadone then take-away doses should be limited until stability has been demonstrated.  It may be that long-term users are less likely to fare well on buprenorphine, as shown in this study.

 

It is unfortunate that decisions for physicians and especially for patients are frequently dictated not by clinical considerations as much as by regulatory constraints.  In some countries (and for no logical reason) these are far more onerous and odious for methadone, while others artificially restrict or even ban the use of buprenorphine for addiction treatment, despite almost 20 years of favourable research.

 

My feeling is that buprenorphine should be available as an option to all patients who report problems taking methadone.  Such patients, however, should be carefully monitored since a high proportion relapse (in this case 74% within 6 months) and may need to transfer back to methadone or to consider other alternatives such as detoxification.

 

There is no indication that new combination formulation of buprenorphine (with naloxone) will be any more effective than the pure product.  Some evidence points towards lowered efficacy (50% higher doses were required in one small comparative trial).  While some have stated that sublingual naloxone is not relevant clinically, others have found objective changes and significant absorption (10% or more).  Naloxone has a rapid serum clearance time (~5 minute half life) but its serum half life following distribution is just over one hour.  While one hopes for less diversion with this formulation, Charles (Bob) Schuster writes: “It is unlikely, however, that any formulation can be developed that cannot be altered by ‘street chemists’ into a more abusable form.”

 

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

 

References:

 

Harris DS, Jones RT,  Welm S, Upton RA, Lin E, Mendelson J. Buprenorphine and naloxone co-administration in opiate-dependent patients stabilized on sublingual buprenorphine. 2000 Drug and Alcohol Dependence 61:85-94

 

Berkowitz BA. The relationship of pharmacokinetic to pharmacological activity: morphine, methadone and naloxone. Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976 1;3:219-30

 

Kakko J, Svanborg KD, Kreek MJ, Heilig M. 1-year retention and social function after buprenorphine-associated relapse prevention treatment for heroin dependence in Sweden: a randomised, placebo-controlled trial. (2003) Lancet 361:662-668

 

Schuster CR. History and current perspectives on the use of drug formulations to decrease the abuse of prescription drugs. Drug and Alcohol Dependence (2006 in press, pre-publication version, accessed 28/2/06)

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)

Dependency Medicine,

75 Redfern Street, Redfern,

New South Wales, 2016, Australia

Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au

Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631

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Thomas De Quincey’s Confessions book on free web site:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2040/2040-h/2040-h.htm

My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:

http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm

Author of: “Addict in the Family” and

“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”

http://www.csdp.org/addict/

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

 

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From: Aubert Little <aubertlittle@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hello All
Date: March 2, 2006 at 1:02:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy,

Thanks for the response.  I’m not exactly sure how this whole mailing list works, but I think I’m getting the jist of it.  I hope ibogaine is not to difficult to get a hold of.  I will definitely have someone there with me through the three days during the experience.  I guess I’ll start doing some research because I want to get started as soon as possible.  Thanks.

Regards,
Aubert

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi Aubert, your story sounds very similar to mine. The difference being I was born in Zimbabwe and now live in South Africa. I have battled with drugs for about 14 years and have done more rehabs than I can remember. One week ago I did Ibogaine in the African Bush. I was shooting a gram of H a day. I tripped hard, had visions and internal dialogues with my subconscious. I now know U cant bullshit your subconscious. I must recommend that if you track down Ibogaine and I know there are various sources in the states, do not do it by yourself!!!!!!. For up to 36 hours you may be physically immobilized and may need help, to pee etc, also somebody to keep you hydrated. Just punch in Ibogaine and search and you will find the right person. I am still physically weak and experience mild withdrawls but no cravings!!!!
Good Luck
Guy
From: Aubert Little [mailto:aubertlittle@yahoo.com]
Sent: 28 February 2006 21:10
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello All

Greetings,

My name’s Aubert and I’m new to the ibogaine mailing list.  I first read about ibogaine three or four years ago and thought that it would be an interesting experience.  Today things are much different and my interest in ibogaine has changed as well.  I started my journey into altered states of consciousness at about 15 years old, young and naive.  Now six years later I’ve let myself, close friends, and family down many times due to my own neglegence.

At 18 years old I served sometime in Los Angeles County Jail for a sales charge (meth, mdma).  I got a DUI about a year after being released from jail.  I was on formal probation for the sales charge for three years so I had to drug test randomly… this actually helped me stay pretty clean and live a healthy life.  However, once I paid off my debt to the state and my probation was terminated I got a little reck less and went back into pushing.  At first it was strictly pushing and no using, then a little party usage here and there, and now the usage has taken on a life of it’s own and my attempts at putting a stop to it always start off strong but end in me eating my words along with the drugs.

I still work full time and maintain myself and my life the best I can, but it’s wearing me down and I desire nothing more than to put a stop to all my cravings, whims, and urges.  I know deep down that I have gotten everything positive I can out of using drugs and am now only hurting myself and my ability to function in reality.

I use to have a strong will and I considered myself to have a very non-addictive personality, but the meth and oxy’s are still giving me trouble, even after I promised myself that they never would interfere with my life again.

My family doesn’t have much money&nb sp;nor do I, but I am willing to put what money I can into obtaining ibogaine.  I believe I have enough resolve to stay clear of substance usage after the iboga journey, but don’t have any idea how I can get ibogaine.  I’ve read about rehabilitation clinics that use ibogaine and of course the journey to Africa and even Mexico, but I don’t have the time nor the money.

I don’t smoke ciggarettes, I enjoy working out at the gym (it’s either gym or drugs, currently it’s been drugs), I work full time, and have enough things on my plate to keep me away from drugs, but I need to break the cycle I’ve created.  Drugs are my coping mechanism for stress and responsibility.  I really do feel it’s time I face and solve problems that come my way instead of putting them off or trying to forget about them with drugs.

If anyone can offer any help on obtaining the ibogaine here in Cali fornia it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for reading.

Regards,
Aubert

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 2, 2006 at 12:10:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard & all you ibonauts, I stayed off the email yesterday or i would have responded to Howard’s question sooner, my first ibogaine exp was very spiritual ; the second nonsensical,cartoony nonsense; my third was for spiritual intent rather than detox,& it was spectacularly spiritual ;the third was the gradual protocol so it was less spiritual & more perfunctory; I’ve been contemplating another journey- we’ll see…love shell

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>Your experience of forseeing someones suicide must have
been rough. I’ve never really been sure whether I believe in
premonitions of psychic stuff. There was one time that creeped me
out.<

My girlfriend V, a couple of weeks before I left for the Netherlands,
overheard a friend say he was going somewhere in particular, and she
immediately felt like saying, “don’t go.” She told me that after he left our
apartment- then we didn’t hear from him for the next 7 weeks. Turned out
he’d been shot through the neck during a robbery.
She totally read her gut feelings right- whether it was psychic stuff or
not, she still foresaw something bad happening.
Very weird stuff. And she’s never taken ibogaine, only shrooms and weed and
a few other things not including ibo.
Peace and love.
—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen”
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Hi Tink,
Your experience of forseeing someones suicide must have
been rough. I’ve never really been sure whether I believe in
premonitions of psychic stuff. There was one time that creeped me
out. When I got back to work last year after christmas there was a
mail about a guy I worked with and his name was the subject line. I
‘knew’ ‘felt’ he was dead before I opened it and that’s how it was. I
wasn’t sure if it was my own obssession with death or actual knowledge
but it was weird.

Also lately I’ve been very nervous sometimes and found myself
getting a fright when the message alert on my mobile phone went. I
actually felt like I’d jump before the message arrived and the sound
camelike I’d feel myself startle and then hear the sound.

If you’re interested in things about saving the planet I came across
this book that might be good. It’s called The Revenge of Gaia by
James lovelock. It says he deals with Earth as a living organism.
here’s a link to amazon.

On 3/1/06, tink wrote:
> The first time I did it, it was an intense journey (via a smallish
> guide with a staff and a little white toga, chilllin’ with the Bwiti)
> through the beginning of the our little planet, how man evolved, how
> man was devolving, and my infinitesimal part in all of it,
> overpopulation, war, death, destruction, rebirth, the whole cycle as
> it repeats itself, as well as a bit of childhood misery. I also had a
> very bizarre series of shared visions with the other people in the
> room i was being treated with on Kitts, and was able to tell two
> different people about some very personal information involving the
> death of one fellow’s father, and the other’s impending suicide(which
> unfortunately happened less than a month after his treatment. he hung
> himself in jail and I saw the whole thing, but didn’t specify when we
> talked about it. he said that he had seen himself die, and I said I
> had too. Still creeps me out more than I can convey. Mash said I was
> an empath.) The second was incredibly different, focusing on the need
> to get back to the earth, and the basics of caring for the world we
> live on before it’s too late. It was more celebratory, with drums and
> dance and a lot of gardening. The third time was more personal, and
> precisely the cosmic bitchslapping I needed to remove my head from my
> ass (to an extent). I had alot of flashes of myself in the future, if
> I kept going where I was going, as well as a glimpse back to different
> paths I could’ve chosen and didn’t. Spiritually, it was an awakening
> in that I finally understood on a much deeper level that I really am a
> part of everything around me, and it was time to take responsibilty
> for that and do something about who and what I am. This experience
> left me far more zapped, and took a lot longer to come back from, but
> included a bit of repeating of theme from the second treatment.
> Emphasis keeps going back to one message, as I see it:
> NOW YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??!!!!!
> After the conference, now I know ;]
> Love to all
> tink
>
> On 3/1/06, matthew zielinski wrote:
> >
> >
> > First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a
> > direct contact with what we perceive as “god”
> >
> > Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless
> > infinite
> > space—- vibrating only on one level—-LOVE
> >
> > the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i
> > had
> > finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about
> > for
> > thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling
> >
> > The land of the dead was very special as well
> >
> >
> > my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you
> > closer
> > to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in
> > fact
> > brings you back to your true self.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: “Guy Bragge”
> > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
> > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being
> > internal
> > dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the
> > universe as I perceive it but had no visions of God or Creators and I
> > regard myself as quite a spiritual person.
> >
> > Go Figure?
> >
> > Guy
> >
> > Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes
> > open
> > and closed.
> >
> > My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a
> > big
> > dose, 9 capsules in total
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
> > Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear list,
> >
> > A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated
> > with
> > ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
> > percentage has a profane or secular experience. I realize these are
> > pretty
> > broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
> > responses.
> >
> > And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider
> > sacred,
> > spiritual, profane or secular.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Howard
> >
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] conference photographs
Date: March 2, 2006 at 11:34:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Would appreciate it if anyone with interesting digital conference photographs would email some at ibogaine@earthlink.net

Thanks

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 2, 2006 at 11:13:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You have Ken Alper< MD and Lee Albert author discussing angels confused.

Howard

In a message dated 3/1/06 6:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, richardh_2005@hotmail.com writes:

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
>you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
>saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
>and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
>to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
>won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
>message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
>Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
>you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
>loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
>content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
>of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
>do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
>talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
>ego war on stage

Very cool. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same. I still can’t believe I missed this. I would have liked to seen the “Freak rolling a joint with the long hair. C’mon Preston you gonna share that? And the shorter dude with the shaved head? Freakin’ people let anybody in the room? I can imagine it was my mad Greek friend whom I miss dearly along with all my other NYC friends. And Dana……….I think he is already the Pope. Got my vote anyway. Did anybody record this for prosperity? How ’bout a copy for a mentally bored physically exhausted country boy? What about it Patrick? Did I miss anything I should know about? I had an update every few hours but it only made me feel left out and lonely. I miss NYC.               “I am an egomaniac with an inferiority complex”      Skeeter

 

 

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: how long does it take meth to clear the bodyy b/4 one can switch to pure bup
Date: March 2, 2006 at 11:01:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

anyone know how long it takes methadone to clear the body after last dose b/4 one can take the pure Bup? thanks , ron ( to avoid withdrawals).
as a follow up,  if one takes bup b/4 the meth clears and goes into w/ds, how long do the w/ds last before one can get comfortable w/ bup?  thanks to all, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

A randomised clinical trial of methadone vs. buprenorphine to opioid dependants. Kristensen O, Espegren O, Asland R, Jakobsen E, Lie O, Seiler S. Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen 2005 125;2:148-151

Dear Colleagues,
After decades of denial in Norway, methadone was finally introduced in 1998 and buprenorphine in 2000 for opioid dependence.  These researchers set out to compare the effects of the two maintenance therapies in their own drug using population.

There were 50 long term (>10 years) opioid dependent subjects randomised to receive 16mg fixed dose buprenorphine or variable dose methadone (mean daily dose 106mg, range 80-160mg) over 6 months observation.  Patient retention rate was 85% in the methadone group and 36% for those prescribed buprenorphine.  Opiate positive urine tests were slightly lower in the methadone group (20% vs. 24%).  Importantly, the methadone subjects reported less high risk behaviour.  For some reason, only the buprenorphine group (or the minority who remained in the trial) reported significant improvements in general health.

This small study should be the last to compare methadone and buprenorphine in this way.  Their results were predictable, adding little more than Scandinavian corroboration to 20 years of preceding research.  The fixed dose buprenorphine dosing schedule here was probably based on a successful Swedish model (Kakko, 2003).  However, methadone and buprenorphine should both be prescribed in tailored doses according to clinical need, using appropriate increments (eg 5mg for methadone, 0.4mg for buprenorphine).  It is likely that some buprenorphine patients in this trial dropped out because they received too little or too much of the drug (32mg is the maximum recommended dose).  I could only access this abstract in English translation, so I am not able to bring further details at this point.

There is no longer any doubt that both methadone and buprenorphine are effective for substantial numbers of heroin addicted subjects treated with adequate supervised (and flexible) doses along with psychosocial supports.

From a body of research, including numerous RCT’s, we know that when compared to buprenorphine: (1) methadone generally suits a higher proportion of the total and (2) it reduces the use of other opiates to a greater degree and (3) whilst in treatment, such patients are less likely to be involved in high risk behaviours.  Methadone is also considered to be safe in pregnancy and is much cheaper and easier to administer.  Thus methadone should probably still be our preferred first option and buprenorphine kept in reserve for particular indications.  If there are concerns about patients misusing methadone then take-away doses should be limited until stability has been demonstrated.  It may be that long-term users are less likely to fare well on buprenorphine, as shown in this study.

It is unfortunate that decisions for physicians and especially for patients are frequently dictated not by clinical considerations as much as by regulatory constraints.  In some countries (and for no logical reason) these are far more onerous and odious for methadone, while others artificially restrict or even ban the use of buprenorphine for addiction treatment, despite almost 20 years of favourable research.

My feeling is that buprenorphine should be available as an option to all patients who report problems taking methadone.  Such patients, however, should be carefully monitored since a high proportion relapse (in this case 74% within 6 months) and may need to transfer back to methadone or to consider other alternatives such as detoxification.

There is no indication that new combination formulation of buprenorphine (with naloxone) will be any more effective than the pure product.  Some evidence points towards lowered efficacy (50% higher doses were required in one small comparative trial).  While some have stated that sublingual naloxone is not relevant clinically, others have found objective changes and significant absorption (10% or more).  Naloxone has a rapid serum clearance time (~5 minute half life) but its serum half life following distribution is just over one hour.  While one hopes for less diversion with this formulation, Charles (Bob) Schuster writes: “It is unlikely, however, that any formulation can be developed that cannot be altered by ‘street chemists’ into a more abusable form.”

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Harris DS, Jones RT,  Welm S, Upton RA, Lin E, Mendelson J. Buprenorphine and naloxone co-administration in opiate-dependent patients stabilized on sublingual buprenorphine. 2000 Drug and Alcohol Dependence 61:85-94

Berkowitz BA. The relationship of pharmacokinetic to pharmacological activity: morphine, methadone and naloxone. Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976 1;3:219-30

Kakko J, Svanborg KD, Kreek MJ, Heilig M. 1-year retention and social function after buprenorphine-associated relapse prevention treatment for heroin dependence in Sweden: a randomised, placebo-controlled trial. (2003) Lancet 361:662-668

Schuster CR. History and current perspectives on the use of drug formulations to decrease the abuse of prescription drugs. Drug and Alcohol Dependence (2006 in press, pre-publication version, accessed 28/2/06)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thomas De Quincey’s Confessions book on free web site:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2040/2040-h/2040-h.htm
My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” and
“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”
http://www.csdp.org/addict/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 2, 2006 at 9:38:10 AM EST
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From: Dave Brockman [mailto:davebroc@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 March 2006 19:00
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf

Thanks to all of you who made the conf happen it was informative and I
enjoyed it. To give some feedback from a outsider point of view, I
went in not knowing that much about ibogaine and came out knowing so
much info and background from different views that I think all of you
did a great job. Way to go Tyler and SSDP!!

The blonde guy with earrings and the doctor with the pony tail at the
start were great, both talk really well and it was great to listen to
them, they complimented each other and were real gracious. The short
talk about drug development was good, my only comment would be to put
that other doctor with the real short hair on last or for whoever is
moderating that panel to moderate it instead of doing nothing. Not
meaning to dis anyone, he’s a smart guy and knows a lot, but he
doesn’t communicate it too well and he went on way wayyyyy over his
scheduled time. Not to name anyone, but there are a lot of people
including most of the panelists who left the room during his talk,
went back, saw he was still on then left again 3 or 4 times and went
outside or talked in the lobby. I being one of them and then I missed
Lotsoff’s talk which I really wanted to see but the doctor before him
ran so far over time and wasn’t a good communicator that he cleared
out a lot of the room before Lotsoff. I think that’s a disservice to
anyone interested in ibo. Either enforce time limits or put the doc on
last.

Opened the conference schedule in another window to read the names,
the people I meant at the start were Kroupa and Kamlet and the doc who
kept going on was Dr. Alpert.

The politico panel at the end was great fun, the long haired freak
rolling a joint in the room and the shorter guy on the left with the
shaved head, were good presenters and didn’t talk the same loop as
everyone else.

I really loved Alex Grey’s it was a great party during and after, the
artists were dope but if the intent was to really say anything about
spiritual experience or religion about ibogaine, you missed the
ballpark by a mile. The first panel is trying to tie everything with
ibo into Christianity, the second panel was really fun because it’s
the first time I’ve been to Grey’s where the panelists spend so much
time sniping at each other, when both of them are supposedly talking
about spirituality, Kroupa was really funny ‘that’s it for the love
and light death match’ was right on, and the sacrament religion is a
dope idea and I think you should take some of the advice and check
Leary’s starting your own religion and maybe make contact with the
counsel of spiritual practices, because what you’ve got right now is a
real religion that is a real mess. The only person who was halfway
sane is Kroupa, I don’t know if sane is the right word, but he moves
between talking about his life as a junkie, to science, to religion
and makes it sound plausible, but then you’ve got Dana who wants to be
pope and turn it into pschedelic christianity, scoping the website for
sacrament its nuts with some biocybernetic book, then the person
fighting with daniel pinchbeck Lee Alper is another member of the
religion who says something different then all the other members.

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
ego war on stage.

broc

Hi Dave,

I couldn’t make the conference thing, would have loved to come, and I really
appreciate you (and others) giving your personal commentary. Thanks for
taking the time and if anyone else feels to put in a personal report I’d
love to read it. Maybe some could be put online.

Nick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 2, 2006 at 7:14:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and where’re the photos?

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update

> think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! >

Dark hair blowing? Is Cpt. Kirk a hottie? Is that what you’re telling us?
;-))
Seriously Kirk, more power to you.

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update

Kirsty, i am so happy for you! Everytime I think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! Enjoy the peace and the peacefulness. You deserve it. All addicts eventually deserve some peace. So very happy you are experiencing it now while you are youthful and alive.
Be sure to post all as it is encouraging to us who have not had the nerves to do the journey yet.
Callie

Jasen, you rock for being there with kirk! Your soul will be rewarded I feel positive!

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 2, 2006 at 7:13:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would have liked to seen the “Freak rolling a joint with the long hair. C’mon Preston you gonna share that?<

I’m sure I have NO idea what you’re babbling on about Randy…but I have HEARD there are some photos…that I’m STILL WAITING for.
;-)))
But a friend told me he’s sending some incriminated photography in my direction, LAST NIGHT, so I’m thinking I must be or have been stoned at some point and missed it- or he is.
Another big ;-)))
And I don’t know about the rest of you, but I think using a joint as a baton, to illustrate just how I feel about that EVIL prohibition and to show point blank that the use of ibogaine AND marijuana and most other mind-expanding substances is, to me anyway, a spiritual experience…although I was thinking just last night that I MAY have used the word “religious” on Saturday, but meant “spiritual.”

Peace and love,
Preston

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf

In a message dated 3/1/06 6:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, richardh_2005@hotmail.com writes:

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
ego war on stage

Very cool. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same. I still can’t believe I missed this. I would have liked to seen the “Freak rolling a joint with the long hair. C’mon Preston you gonna share that? And the shorter dude with the shaved head? Freakin’ people let anybody in the room? I can imagine it was my mad Greek friend whom I miss dearly along with all my other NYC friends. And Dana……….I think he is already the Pope. Got my vote anyway. Did anybody record this for prosperity? How ’bout a copy for a mentally bored physically exhausted country boy? What about it Patrick? Did I miss anything I should know about? I had an update every few hours but it only made me feel left out and lonely. I miss NYC. “I am an egomaniac with an inferiority complex”      Skeeter

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 2, 2006 at 6:50:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

> think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! >

Dark hair blowing? Is Cpt. Kirk a hottie? Is that what you’re telling us?
;-))
Seriously Kirk, more power to you.

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update

Kirsty, i am so happy for you! Everytime I think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! Enjoy the peace and the peacefulness. You deserve it. All addicts eventually deserve some peace. So very happy you are experiencing it now while you are youthful and alive.
Be sure to post all as it is encouraging to us who have not had the nerves to do the journey yet.
Callie

Jasen, you rock for being there with kirk! Your soul will be rewarded I feel positive!

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 2, 2006 at 6:40:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is so awesome to read. I’m very happy for you both. Whatever powers that be should be lining up to offer you both blessings.
Peace and love
—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update

Hey guys,

Just a quick note to let you know Kirsty is doing well. She is upstairs
at the moment resting and is in good spirits.

This is a great experience with the perfect patient, I am blessed to
be a part of this. Your kind words, prayers and thoughts give Kirsty
strength,協uel協or the spirit.

Love, Jasen

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 2, 2006 at 6:01:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/1/06 6:38:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, richardh_2005@hotmail.com writes:

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
>you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
>saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
>and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
>to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
>won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
>message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
>Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
>you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
>loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
>content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
>of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
>do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
>talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
>ego war on stage

Very cool. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same. I still can’t believe I missed this. I would have liked to seen the “Freak rolling a joint with the long hair. C’mon Preston you gonna share that? And the shorter dude with the shaved head? Freakin’ people let anybody in the room? I can imagine it was my mad Greek friend whom I miss dearly along with all my other NYC friends. And Dana……….I think he is already the Pope. Got my vote anyway. Did anybody record this for prosperity? How ’bout a copy for a mentally bored physically exhausted country boy? What about it Patrick? Did I miss anything I should know about? I had an update every few hours but it only made me feel left out and lonely. I miss NYC.               “I am an egomaniac with an inferiority complex”      Skeeter

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 2, 2006 at 2:56:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Haven’t felt much up to sitting here formala… formullit…… putting words togevva inna email thingy heheh, promise I will tell all when it’s time…….soon soon,.
Heh that image was me today…. After a booster buzz wuzz lol no symptoms now, funky chicken legs are put to rest.
Just send the goddam sleep fairy for feks sake!!
Love n hugs 2 all
And all a ….. notha long night lol
KoIkYxxx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 6:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update

Kirsty, i am so happy for you! Everytime I think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! Enjoy the peace and the peacefulness. You deserve it. All addicts eventually deserve some peace. So very happy you are experiencing it now while you are youthful and alive.
Be sure to post all as it is encouraging to us who have not had the nerves to do the journey yet.
Callie

Jasen, you rock for being there with kirk! Your soul will be rewarded I feel positive!

 

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 2, 2006 at 12:07:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirsty, i am so happy for you! Everytime I think of you in my head I see you smiling this peaceful smile and your dark hair blowing all around in a weird way!! lol! I do not know why that image comes into my head….it just does! Enjoy the peace and the peacefulness. You deserve it. All addicts eventually deserve some peace. So very happy you are experiencing it now while you are youthful and alive.
Be sure to post all as it is encouraging to us who have not had the nerves to do the journey yet.
Callie

Jasen, you rock for being there with kirk! Your soul will be rewarded I feel positive!

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: brief update
Date: March 1, 2006 at 11:47:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Just a quick note to let you know Kirsty is doing well. She is upstairs
at the moment resting and is in good spirits.

This is a great experience with the perfect patient, I am blessed to
be a part of this. Your kind words, prayers and thoughts give Kirsty
strength,…fuel…for the spirit.

Love, Jasen

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 1, 2006 at 10:09:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/1/06 9:20:55 PM, mattzielinski@hotmail.com writes:

please enlighten the rest of us about the discusion held between lee and daniel

I don’t remember the details and possibly any one else can add them but, it stuck me as beginning somewhat caustically and proceeding to two writers recognizing each other’s humanity.

I bet there are some other opinions.  To me it was about the healing spirit of Alex Grey’s gallery.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 9:52:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Your experience of forseeing someones suicide  must have
been rough.  I’ve never really been sure whether I believe in
premonitions of psychic stuff.  There was one time that creeped me
out.<

My girlfriend V, a couple of weeks before I left for the Netherlands, overheard a friend say he was going somewhere in particular, and she immediately felt like saying, “don’t go.” She told me that after he left our apartment- then we didn’t hear from him for the next 7 weeks. Turned out he’d been shot through the neck during a robbery.
She totally read her gut feelings right- whether it was psychic stuff or not, she still foresaw something bad happening.
Very weird stuff. And she’s never taken ibogaine, only shrooms and weed and a few other things not including ibo.
Peace and love.
—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —– From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Hi Tink,
Your experience of forseeing someones suicide  must have
been rough.  I’ve never really been sure whether I believe in
premonitions of psychic stuff.  There was one time that creeped me
out.  When I got back to work last year after christmas there was a
mail about a guy I worked with and his name was the subject line.  I
‘knew’ ‘felt’ he was dead before I opened it and that’s how it was.  I
wasn’t sure if it was my own obssession with death or actual knowledge
but it was weird.

Also lately I’ve been very nervous sometimes and found myself
getting a fright when the message alert on my mobile phone went.  I
actually felt like I’d jump before the message arrived and the sound
camelike I’d feel myself startle and then hear the sound.

If you’re interested in things about saving the planet I came across
this book that might be good. It’s called The Revenge of Gaia  by
James lovelock.  It says he deals with Earth as a living organism.
here’s a link to amazon.

On 3/1/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
The first time I did it, it was an intense journey (via a smallish
guide with a staff and a little white toga, chilllin’ with the Bwiti)
through the beginning of the our little planet, how man evolved, how
man was devolving, and my infinitesimal part in all of it,
overpopulation, war, death, destruction, rebirth, the whole cycle as
it repeats itself, as well as a bit of childhood misery. I also had a
very bizarre series of shared visions with the other people in the
room i was being treated with on Kitts, and was able to tell two
different people about some very personal information involving the
death of one fellow’s father, and the other’s impending suicide(which
unfortunately happened less than a month after his treatment.  he hung
himself in jail and I saw the whole thing, but didn’t specify when we
talked about it.  he said that he had seen himself die, and I said I
had too.  Still creeps me out more than I can convey.  Mash said I was
an empath.) The second was incredibly different, focusing on the need
to get back to the earth, and the basics of caring for the world we
live on before it’s too late.  It was more celebratory, with drums and
dance and a lot of gardening.  The third time was more personal, and
precisely the cosmic bitchslapping I needed to remove my head from my
ass (to an extent).  I had alot of flashes of myself in the future, if
I kept going where I was going, as well as a glimpse back to different
paths I could’ve chosen and didn’t.  Spiritually, it was an awakening
in that I finally understood on a much deeper level that I really am a
part of everything around me, and it was time to take responsibilty
for that and do something about who and what I am. This experience
left me far more zapped, and took a lot longer to come back from, but
included a bit of repeating of theme from the second treatment.
Emphasis keeps going back to one message, as I see it:
NOW YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??!!!!!
After the conference, now I know ;]
Love to all
tink

On 3/1/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a
> direct contact with what we perceive as “god”
>
> Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless > infinite
> space—- vibrating only on one  level—-LOVE
>
> the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i > had
> finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about > for
> thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling
>
> The land of the dead was very special as well
>
>
> my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you > closer
> to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in > fact
> brings you back to your true self.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
> Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200
>
>
>
>
> I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being > internal
> dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the
> universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I
> regard myself as quite a spiritual person.
>
> Go Figure?
>
> Guy
>
> Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes > open
> and closed.
>
> My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a > big
> dose, 9 capsules in total
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
> From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
> Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
>
>
>
> Dear list,
>
> A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated > with
> ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
> percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are > pretty
> broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
> responses.
>
> And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider > sacred,
> spiritual, profane or secular.
>
> Thanks
>
> Howard
>
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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 1, 2006 at 9:20:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

please enlighten the rest of us about the discusion held between lee and daniel
From: “Richard Harris” <richardh_2005@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:34:55 -0500

Same, same. Liked the whole show, except for nobody enforcing the time limit for the science MD. He’s like a lot of teachers I’ve had, obviously loves his subject but can’t communicate or make it interesting. Minute 10 is the same as minute 1000 which is how long it seemed he went on and more of the same, I too missed Lotsoff’s first 20 minutes because the bro before him would not get off the stage even when way past his time.

Second day was great, no boring moments. I don’t think anyone goes to COSM expecting sane presentations or if they are, they need to load up before going through the doors. Loved the love and light deathmatch personally, beats the usual boring droning. Can’t say I got got anything out of it either, but better entertainment then going to a movie!

>From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:59:34 -0500
>
>Thanks to all of you who made the conf happen it was informative and
>I
>enjoyed it. To give some feedback from a outsider point of view, I
>went in not knowing that much about ibogaine and came out knowing so
>much info and background from different views that I think all of
>you
>did a great job. Way to go Tyler and SSDP!!
>
>The blonde guy with earrings and the doctor with the pony tail at
>the
>start were great, both talk really well and it was great to listen
>to
>them, they complimented each other and were real gracious. The short
>talk about drug development was good, my only comment would be to
>put
>that other doctor with the real short hair on last or for whoever is
>moderating that panel to moderate it instead of doing nothing. Not
>meaning to dis anyone, he’s a smart guy and knows a lot, but he
>doesn’t communicate it too well and he went on way wayyyyy over his
>scheduled time. Not to name anyone, but there are a lot of people
>including most of the panelists who left the room during his talk,
>went back, saw he was still on then left again 3 or 4 times and went
>outside or talked in the lobby. I being one of them and then I
>missed
>Lotsoff’s talk which I really wanted to see but the doctor before
>him
>ran so far over time and wasn’t a good communicator that he cleared
>out a lot of the room before Lotsoff. I think that’s a disservice to
>anyone interested in ibo. Either enforce time limits or put the doc
>on
>last.
>
>Opened the conference schedule in another window to read the names,
>the people I meant at the start were Kroupa and Kamlet and the doc
>who
>kept going on was Dr. Alpert.
>
>The politico panel at the end was great fun, the long haired freak
>rolling a joint in the room and the shorter guy on the left with the
>shaved head, were good presenters and didn’t talk the same loop as
>everyone else.
>
>I really loved Alex Grey’s it was a great party during and after,
>the
>artists were dope but if the intent was to really say anything about
>spiritual experience or religion about ibogaine, you missed the
>ballpark by a mile. The first panel is trying to tie everything with
>ibo into Christianity, the second panel was really fun because it’s
>the first time I’ve been to Grey’s where the panelists spend so much
>time sniping at each other, when both of them are supposedly talking
>about spirituality, Kroupa was really funny ‘that’s it for the love
>and light death match’ was right on, and the sacrament religion is a
>dope idea and I think you should take some of the advice and check
>Leary’s starting your own religion and maybe make contact with the
>counsel of spiritual practices, because what you’ve got right now is
>a
>real religion that is a real mess. The only person who was halfway
>sane is Kroupa, I don’t know if sane is the right word, but he moves
>between talking about his life as a junkie, to science, to religion
>and makes it sound plausible, but then you’ve got Dana who wants to
>be
>pope and turn it into pschedelic christianity, scoping the website
>for
>sacrament its nuts with some biocybernetic book, then the person
>fighting with daniel pinchbeck Lee Alper is another member of the
>religion who says something different then all the other members.
>
>You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
>you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
>saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is
>saying
>and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
>to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
>won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out
>your
>message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
>Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original
>religion,
>you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
>loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
>content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the
>two
>of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
>do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and
>are
>talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
>ego war on stage.
>
>broc
>
>On 3/1/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings, true believers, and thank you all for a wonderful
>>weekend
>>in NYC! Here’s a quick run-down on how the conference went for
>>me…
>>Friday was unbelievable. I got to the city around 3, checked into
>>my
>>hotel, and then sat there, wondering what the hell I was supposed
>>to
>>be doing. Not having an evil agenda and cash in pocket was a very
>>strange, but immensely pleasurable experience, and I roamed the LES
>>with a coffee and a shit-eating grin.
>>Preston and I went for indian food-(yes, folks, Preston is EATING)
>>and
>>some pool, and I went back to my hotel early, happy and tired,
>>sleeping for real for the first time in a long time. It really is
>>too
>>quiet where I am.
>>The conference on Saturday was very informative, though hard to
>>find
>>at first, and it was wonderful to meet some of the people I’ve been
>>yakking at for the past year or so, and renewing old friendships
>>was
>>a
>>trip and half. I don’t think that any of us who ran around the LES
>>ever thought we’d be alive, never mind at Columbia for a friggin’
>>conference. It did a lot for my morale to be in the thick of it,
>>and
>>not desparing over my next fix.
>>Sunday was just right, after so much straight data thrown at us, it
>>was a relief to have the more spiritual and artisitic side
>>represented. Aside from Pinchbeck and Lee almost sniping each
>>other
>>to death, it was an excellent way to end. I have to say that both
>>brought up some good points, though Pinchbeck seemed a bit
>>hypocritical, stating he thought that people who flew all over the
>>world experiencing different initiations and spirtual experiences
>>were
>>doing more to harm the environment than help. Isn’t that kind of
>>exactly what he’s doing? His info on the mayan mind calanderr was
>>interesting, and apparently, we’re all about to become mid-wives of
>>the spiritual kind when the world as we know it ends in 2008, and
>>is
>>set on track by 2012 (hence, Apocolypse be here now….)
>>The best of all of this was the time spent with fellow iboganauts,
>>newly met and otherwise. I hadn’t realized how truly isolated i
>>was
>>(or feel) until i was in the middle of it all, and it renewed and
>>reconfirmed my commitment to do something- ANYTHING- to keep my
>>self
>>involved. Ibogaine has proven to be a life line in more than one
>>way
>>for me, always reaching out to help in one way or another, exactly
>>when i need it.
>>As I stepped (very relunctantly) off of the train and back into the
>>sub-zero Maine air, my friend that picked me up said, “You look
>>different.”
>>”Different how? Like, I’ve been on trains for 9 hours and am coming
>>down with the flu different? I’m tired as hell different?”
>>”No, just….different.”
>>This a response I’ve gotten several times after each treatment, and
>>it
>>sort of surprised me, but after thinking back to what the whole
>>weekend was about, I suppose it makes sense. I know that I feel a
>>hell of a lot better after being around that many Iboganauts, far
>>more
>>focused and relaxed about everything that I did before I went.
>>Thank you all for everything this weekend! I haven’t felt this
>>close
>>to normal in a very long time, and am lucky to know you all!
>>re-energized and refocused love from
>>tink
>>
>>
>>
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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Detox b4 Detoxing #2
Date: March 1, 2006 at 3:49:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all Part #2 Colon Cleanse.
OK. What is the point of trying to come off of drugs, IE detox, if you haven’t got healthy tools, in the first place, to detox with.
I finished my Liver flush last nite. I shall tell all of results after posting this recipe for, Coffee Enema.
No experiment, no matter what the outcome maybe to your preconceived ideas, can be called bad or good. It is all knowledge. It is all learning.
The Colon eliminates solid waste from the body, clearing toxins and evacuating them out of the body regularly. Because it performs a crucial role in eliminating waste from the body completely it must be an integral part of keeping you well and healthy.
If your colon is blocked or not eliminating matter from the body or is just plain overwhelmed then you get a toxic build up of the worst kind, it’s as simple as that.
The aim of a colon detox is to remove any mucoid plaque or compacted matter that may be lodged in or lining the surface of the colon walls that may inhibit or even prevent peristalsis (natural flexing motion of colon) and also move any sluggish or slow moving matter through the colon and out of the body in a regular, predictable, consistent and timely way. It can take several cleanses before the body finally relinquishes “old” matter that stubbornly refuses to be passed in the regular manner.
Once thoroughly cleaned the colon environment needs to be rebuilt with probiotics, so that beneficial/friendly bacteria multiplies and helps you encourage a healthy colon environment. This should be an ongoing process,- you need these guys, they work hard for you! A healthy colon and bowel provides oxygen enriched nutrients a path to the blood stream. This makes somber reading. Up to 20-30 pounds of compacted faecal matter could be sitting in your colon right now.
Liquefy and melt away the compaction with warm water Enema.
This will effectively cleanse the rectum and release any toxins which maybe causing headaches of wind. Also Saline Enemas are good for re-hydration, be sensible with the salts you use, as you are talking about a very sensitive part of your anatomy. oh Bum.lol Natural unrefined, pure sea salt, ground. Add one teaspoonful per 0.5 litre of water.
Please note, this is important: Do not use ordinary mains water for your Enema. Ideally you should use quality mineral water like Evian water or freshly filtered as a basis for your Enema. Normal tap water contains Chlorine and would kill the pro-biotic bacteria you are trying to help in the first place. Ensure that any decoctions you use are fresh or as close to fresh as possible. You do not wish to introduce further toxins into your body! The water should be room temperature neither hot nor cold.
The coffee Enema is widely used these days as part of cancer therapy and chronic care naturopathy. It is excellent to relieve healing crisis pain and discomfort, to stimulate the Liver to dump bile by absorption of the coffee into the Hemorrhoidal veins and the Portal vein, and to encourage deep cleansing of the colon by stimulating peristaltic activity. It is a regular part of the Gerson Therapy regime and the Kelly cancer programme.
Guidance for preparation:
Place the following into a non-aluminium pot or saucepan:
32 fluid ounces of filtered or distilled water
3 rounded tablespoons of Therapy blend Organic coffee
-Stir the water and coffee solution to make sure it is well mixed
-Bring the mixture to the boil and continue to boil for 3-5 minutes (stir occasionally)
-Reduce heat and cover pot or saucepan with lid and simmer for 15-20 minutes
-Remove from hob and let coffee cool down to room temperature
-Strain coffee through a fine sieve to remove as many coffee grinds as possible. Do not use paper or cloth filters as these remove some of the prime elements of the blend as well as the grounds.
-Because of the boiling process, some of the water will have evaporated, so add plain filtered water to the coffee to bring back up to 32 fluid ounces quantity.
Remember the coffee Enema works best when the rectum is empty and cleansed first, so use the warm water or Saline Enema to clear faecal matter first.
The Enema Kits are available on the Internet.
If you have any questions, or need help with supply of equipment or Herbs, please contact me
at    anavar@vodafone.net
and I shall do all I can to aid you in getting your eliminative tools in good and healthy working condition. I can tell you from my recent experience that following just these simple daily tasks has enabled me to dramatically reduce my abusive intake. Stable on 30ml Meth from 80ml in less than five weeks and I have been sleeping between 5-8 hours a night and have started to simulate (dream) again. I feel so amazingly clean that I was able to drop 15mg Methadone in one week without to much discomfort.
More to come from Manifesting your Health.
Paul.
Strength, Power and Honour.

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From: “Richard Harris” <richardh_2005@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:34:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Same, same. Liked the whole show, except for nobody enforcing the time limit for the science MD. He’s like a lot of teachers I’ve had, obviously loves his subject but can’t communicate or make it interesting. Minute 10 is the same as minute 1000 which is how long it seemed he went on and more of the same, I too missed Lotsoff’s first 20 minutes because the bro before him would not get off the stage even when way past his time.

Second day was great, no boring moments. I don’t think anyone goes to COSM expecting sane presentations or if they are, they need to load up before going through the doors. Loved the love and light deathmatch personally, beats the usual boring droning. Can’t say I got got anything out of it either, but better entertainment then going to a movie!

From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:59:34 -0500

Thanks to all of you who made the conf happen it was informative and I
enjoyed it. To give some feedback from a outsider point of view, I
went in not knowing that much about ibogaine and came out knowing so
much info and background from different views that I think all of you
did a great job. Way to go Tyler and SSDP!!

The blonde guy with earrings and the doctor with the pony tail at the
start were great, both talk really well and it was great to listen to
them, they complimented each other and were real gracious. The short
talk about drug development was good, my only comment would be to put
that other doctor with the real short hair on last or for whoever is
moderating that panel to moderate it instead of doing nothing. Not
meaning to dis anyone, he’s a smart guy and knows a lot, but he
doesn’t communicate it too well and he went on way wayyyyy over his
scheduled time. Not to name anyone, but there are a lot of people
including most of the panelists who left the room during his talk,
went back, saw he was still on then left again 3 or 4 times and went
outside or talked in the lobby. I being one of them and then I missed
Lotsoff’s talk which I really wanted to see but the doctor before him
ran so far over time and wasn’t a good communicator that he cleared
out a lot of the room before Lotsoff. I think that’s a disservice to
anyone interested in ibo. Either enforce time limits or put the doc on
last.

Opened the conference schedule in another window to read the names,
the people I meant at the start were Kroupa and Kamlet and the doc who
kept going on was Dr. Alpert.

The politico panel at the end was great fun, the long haired freak
rolling a joint in the room and the shorter guy on the left with the
shaved head, were good presenters and didn’t talk the same loop as
everyone else.

I really loved Alex Grey’s it was a great party during and after, the
artists were dope but if the intent was to really say anything about
spiritual experience or religion about ibogaine, you missed the
ballpark by a mile. The first panel is trying to tie everything with
ibo into Christianity, the second panel was really fun because it’s
the first time I’ve been to Grey’s where the panelists spend so much
time sniping at each other, when both of them are supposedly talking
about spirituality, Kroupa was really funny ‘that’s it for the love
and light death match’ was right on, and the sacrament religion is a
dope idea and I think you should take some of the advice and check
Leary’s starting your own religion and maybe make contact with the
counsel of spiritual practices, because what you’ve got right now is a
real religion that is a real mess. The only person who was halfway
sane is Kroupa, I don’t know if sane is the right word, but he moves
between talking about his life as a junkie, to science, to religion
and makes it sound plausible, but then you’ve got Dana who wants to be
pope and turn it into pschedelic christianity, scoping the website for
sacrament its nuts with some biocybernetic book, then the person
fighting with daniel pinchbeck Lee Alper is another member of the
religion who says something different then all the other members.

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
ego war on stage.

broc

On 3/1/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, true believers, and thank you all for a wonderful weekend
in NYC!  Here’s a quick run-down on how the conference went for me…
Friday was unbelievable.  I got to the city around 3, checked into my
hotel, and then sat there, wondering what the hell I was supposed to
be doing.  Not having an evil agenda and cash in pocket was a very
strange, but immensely pleasurable experience, and I roamed the LES
with a coffee and a shit-eating grin.
Preston and I went for indian food-(yes, folks, Preston is EATING)
and
some pool, and I went back to my hotel early, happy and tired,
sleeping for real for the first time in a long time. It really is too
quiet where I am.
The conference on Saturday was very informative, though hard to find
at first, and it was wonderful to meet some of the people I’ve been
yakking at for the past year or so, and renewing old friendships was
a
trip and half.  I don’t think that any of us who ran around the LES
ever thought we’d be alive, never mind at Columbia for a friggin’
conference. It did a lot for my morale to be in the thick of it, and
not desparing over my next fix.
Sunday was just right, after so much straight data thrown at us, it
was a relief to have the more spiritual and artisitic side
represented.  Aside from Pinchbeck and Lee almost sniping each other
to death, it was an excellent way to end.  I have to say that both
brought up some good points, though Pinchbeck seemed a bit
hypocritical, stating he thought that people who flew all over the
world experiencing different initiations and spirtual experiences
were
doing more to harm the environment than help.  Isn’t that kind of
exactly what he’s doing?  His info on the mayan mind calanderr was
interesting, and apparently, we’re all about to become mid-wives of
the spiritual kind when the world as we know it ends in 2008, and is
set on track by 2012 (hence, Apocolypse be here now….)
The best of all of this was the time spent with fellow iboganauts,
newly met and otherwise.  I hadn’t realized how truly isolated i was
(or feel) until i was in the middle of it all, and it renewed and
reconfirmed my commitment to do something- ANYTHING- to keep my self
involved.  Ibogaine has proven to be a life line in more than one way
for me, always reaching out to help in one way or another, exactly
when i need it.
As I stepped (very relunctantly) off of the train and back into the
sub-zero Maine air, my friend that picked me up said, “You look
different.”
“Different how? Like, I’ve been on trains for 9 hours and am coming
down with the flu different? I’m tired as hell different?”
“No, just….different.”
This a response I’ve gotten several times after each treatment, and
it
sort of surprised me, but after thinking back to what the whole
weekend was about, I suppose it makes sense.  I know that I feel a
hell of a lot better after being around that many Iboganauts, far
more
focused and relaxed about everything that I did before I went.
Thank you all for everything this weekend!  I haven’t felt this close
to normal in a very long time, and am lucky to know you all!
re-energized and refocused love from
tink

 

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Detox b4 Detoxing Liver flush results!
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:00:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh Paul!  Thank you for sharing!!  ; )  And I only mean that about 15% sardonically, as actually I am quite interested to hear about your (and all) cleansing experiences.  Such a valuable adjunct to the detox process.

The other day I had no food but raw green beans, and the energetic difference in my body was palpable!  I’ve done a Vitamin C flush – with surprisingly painful results – but am still pondering the possibilities of a full-on colonic therapy.  One of these days… maybe when we move back to California and I can soak in Harbin Hot Springs for a week to recover.

A semi-unrelated note on any confusion about the name games:

1) Lee Albert, the Irishman in Spain who visited the U.S. for the recent Ibogaine Forum and is author of Amazing Grace.  Advocates for small-dose psychospiritual treatment to heal past traumas and integrate the shadow.

2) Dr. Ken Alper, the brainpower psych M.D. from NYU with an incredibly compassionate track record in helping addicts, sick people, and the research agenda for ibogatherapy.  He did, in fact, have a lot to say at Columbia.  There is, however, a lot to be said.

3) “Alpert” is I surmise a pun, poetic, or inadvertent typo drawing from the former Harvard and Stanford psychology professor, Richard Alpert, later known as “Baba Ram Dass” after he journeyed to India in June of 1967 and met his Teacher, Neem Karoli Baba.  Bolo Ram ki jai!!!

love, the also egoistic, Rachel

 

From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 4:02:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink,
Your experience of forseeing someones suicide  must have
been rough.  I’ve never really been sure whether I believe in
premonitions of psychic stuff.  There was one time that creeped me
out.  When I got back to work last year after christmas there was a
mail about a guy I worked with and his name was the subject line.  I
‘knew’ ‘felt’ he was dead before I opened it and that’s how it was.  I
wasn’t sure if it was my own obssession with death or actual knowledge
but it was weird.

Also lately I’ve been very nervous sometimes and found myself
getting a fright when the message alert on my mobile phone went.  I
actually felt like I’d jump before the message arrived and the sound
camelike I’d feel myself startle and then hear the sound.

If you’re interested in things about saving the planet I came across
this book that might be good. It’s called The Revenge of Gaia  by
James lovelock.  It says he deals with Earth as a living organism.
here’s a link to amazon.

On 3/1/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
The first time I did it, it was an intense journey (via a smallish
guide with a staff and a little white toga, chilllin’ with the Bwiti)
through the beginning of the our little planet, how man evolved, how
man was devolving, and my infinitesimal part in all of it,
overpopulation, war, death, destruction, rebirth, the whole cycle as
it repeats itself, as well as a bit of childhood misery. I also had a
very bizarre series of shared visions with the other people in the
room i was being treated with on Kitts, and was able to tell two
different people about some very personal information involving the
death of one fellow’s father, and the other’s impending suicide(which
unfortunately happened less than a month after his treatment.  he hung
himself in jail and I saw the whole thing, but didn’t specify when we
talked about it.  he said that he had seen himself die, and I said I
had too.  Still creeps me out more than I can convey.  Mash said I was
an empath.) The second was incredibly different, focusing on the need
to get back to the earth, and the basics of caring for the world we
live on before it’s too late.  It was more celebratory, with drums and
dance and a lot of gardening.  The third time was more personal, and
precisely the cosmic bitchslapping I needed to remove my head from my
ass (to an extent).  I had alot of flashes of myself in the future, if
I kept going where I was going, as well as a glimpse back to different
paths I could’ve chosen and didn’t.  Spiritually, it was an awakening
in that I finally understood on a much deeper level that I really am a
part of everything around me, and it was time to take responsibilty
for that and do something about who and what I am. This experience
left me far more zapped, and took a lot longer to come back from, but
included a bit of repeating of theme from the second treatment.
Emphasis keeps going back to one message, as I see it:
NOW YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??!!!!!
After the conference, now I know ;]
Love to all
tink

On 3/1/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a
direct contact with what we perceive as “god”

Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless infinite
space—- vibrating only on one  level—-LOVE

the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i  had
finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about for
thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling

The land of the dead was very special as well

my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you closer
to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in fact
brings you back to your true self.

 

 

________________________________
From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200

 

I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being internal
dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the
universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I
regard myself as quite a spiritual person.

Go Figure?

Guy

Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes open
and closed.

My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a big
dose, 9 capsules in total

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

 

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty
broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 3:46:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston 🙂

I took a tiny amount of ibogaine a few months after the vision of
future society and felt that feeling of communication starting again
but then it never came around in any sessions since.   I did have a
sensation of connecting in to another level of consciousness that felt
it was a bigger whole on other sessions though.

Luke

On 3/1/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Luke wrote in reply to Howard’s request
I also communicated with my dead Grandfather and
communication with future alien societies.  I don’t know wether it was
just my mind but those experiences were spiritual.<

(First off, I just wanna point out that the guy I’ve been jamming and
writing new songs with since returning from Sara’s is named Luke too- his
former band was Cool Hand. You’ve got a great name Luke.)
Now, while I did not speak nor hear from any dead relatives, at least not so
as I remember (I’m adopted so I don’t really remember any blood relatives
anyway), I did communicate and see many different kinds of future societies
which all came to bad ends whether they themselves were “bad” or not.
I’m not sure whether I’d call any of my visions “spiritual” or “religious”
at all- but I would call the entire experience VERY spiritual, to me anyway.
I honestly feel that by taking ibogaine (and shrooms on various occasions
too I must note) I experienced direct communication with whatever great mind
is out there, or even MINDS, or beings or whatever it is the Earth calls
itself.
;-))
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —–
From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Hi Howard,
I had a religious type of spiritual experience on a
low dose of ibogaine.  This was a blissfull feeling with christian
images of Jesus.

I had some other experiences which seemed spiritual in a
different way. A long sequence of watching a peacefull self fullfilled
society where people lived uncomplicated and content lives and also
seeing them dealing with death and their wonderment at this process
and the world.

I also communicated with my dead Grandfather and
communication with future alien societies.  I don’t know wether it was
just my mind but those experiences were spiritual.  There might have
been others but I can’t remember of hand.  Most of my other
experiences didn’t seem that spiritual though I wasn’t particularly
interested in searching for spirituality which could be a factor.  I’m
becoming more curious about this so maybe next time.

Luke

On 2/28/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are
pretty
broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Detox b4 Detoxing Liver flush results!
Date: March 1, 2006 at 3:54:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

#2 Follow up on Liver flush.
I completed my Liver flush last nite with Cytocleanse and Psyllium husks.
I downed 90ml of cold pressed virgin olive oil and 90ml of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice, it doesn’t mix very well. lol I wrapped my self in Castor oil soaked cloth and wrapped myself in cling film (I liked that bit the best:) grabbed hot water bottle and went to bed.
Lots of noise going on, then I drifted to sleep. Awoke 2 hours later with a slight pressure pain in my bowels and ran to the toilet. ahhhhhhh.
This went on every to hours.
Now for the gory details for all you people who have mainlined over the years. Remeber the Liver and Kidneys are our filters for the blood. Before going to bed I put a strainer in the loo so that i could see what came out.
Dark brown sludge with black lumps in and sand and gravel. The sandy gravely particles where a green-brown in colour and as hard as stone. The sizes ranged from very tiny like grains of refined sugar to 3mm in dia. Shocking eh!
Imagine if that was in the tank of your car, you wouldn’t be going very far.
Wow, no wonder i feel so clean and my thinking is very very clear. Still running to the loo, but that is only the oil now. lol
I have dried the hard matter and weighed it. It comes to an incredible 4.671gr. Yuk. I had all that rubbish stuck in my gall bladder, gall tract and colon.
Actually for what I found is very little considering what people have had to have removed by surgery, 14-18gr stones of roughly the same brown and green colour.
This bit of experimentation has really opened my mind to how unhealthy we really must be and just accept it as the Norm
Well Norman left town and I came home. I like me, so I am going to stay around me and learn some more.    Paul.
Strength, Power and Honour, learn to respect yourself, for you is all you have.

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 2:53:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Didn’t want to be misunderstood. Extremely life changing and extremely profound but not easy. Fist one that made me take a real hard look at myself and that can be very difficult especially when your coming from where most of us are coming from. Okay.

From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:03:06 -0500

I’m good, Thanks. Feeling a bit un-inspired being back at work after the weekend but I’m hanging in there and nothing is permenent unless I choose it to be. So I’m just riding another one of my moods out. I have to say though its quite amazing that I have the ability to do that these days.
As for your question, I didn’t get to read the beginning of the topic becasue I’m at work but if your asking me what I think your asking me, A bit of both. My last session that is (which is a year ago in 6 days!).
I think I might of mentioned this to you once before but I had what I consider to be something similar to post tramautic stress disorder that lasted a good three months or so. I wouldn’t call it profane per say, but definately the ass kicking of my life. But almost like some kind of kind yet stern entity was doing it. So I guess a little bit of both.
Thanks again and it was great seein you as always, especially under such good circumstances.
I’ll be in touch real soon to catch up. -M.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:06:31 EST

In a message dated 3/1/06 8:47:43 AM, mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

 

The conference inspired me to get back on this list. Just got in to work (ugh) so I can’t get into much but it was great meeting all of you that I hadn’t met yet.  Hope all of you are well and I’ll touch base soon. Thank you Dana and of course always much thanks to Howard. -Mark

Hi Mark,

How about you?  Sacred or Profane?  Your ibo experiences that is.

Howard

 

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 2:04:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey baby! I can’t talk or write now cuz I’m at work but give me a call later. I don’t have your number.

 

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date:  Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:41:40 -0500
>The first time I did it, it was an intense journey (via a smallish
>guide with a staff and a little white toga, chilllin’ with the Bwiti)
>through the beginning of the our little planet, how man evolved, how
>man was devolving, and my infinitesimal part in all of it,
>overpopulation, war, death, destruction, rebirth, the whole cycle as
>it repeats itself, as well as a bit of childhood misery. I also had a
>very bizarre series of shared visions with the other people in the
>room i was being treated with on Kitts, and was able to tell two
>different people about some very personal information involving the
>death of one fellow’s father, and the other’s impending suicide(which
>unfortunately happened less than a month after his treatment.  he hung
>himself in jail and I saw the whole thing, but didn’t specify when we
>talked about it.  he said that he had seen himself die, and I said I
>had too.  Still creeps me out more than I can convey.  Mash said I was
>an empath.) The second was incredibly different, focusing on the need
>to get back to the earth, and the basics of caring for the world we
>live on before it’s too late.  It was more celebratory, with drums and
>dance and a lot of gardening.  The third time was more personal, and
>precisely the cosmic bitchslapping I needed to remove my head from my
>ass (to an extent).  I had alot of flashes of myself in the future, if
>I kept going where I was going, as well as a glimpse back to different
>paths I could’ve chosen and didn’t.  Spiritually, it was an awakening
>in that I finally understood on a much deeper level that I really am a
>part of everything around me, and it was time to take responsibilty
>for that and do something about who and what I am. This experience
>left me far more zapped, and took a lot longer to come back from, but
>included a bit of repeating of theme from the second treatment.
>Emphasis keeps going back to one message, as I see it:
>NOW YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??!!!!!
>After the conference, now I know ;]
>Love to all
>tink
>
>On 3/1/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a
> > direct contact with what we perceive as “god”
> >
> > Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless infinite
> > space—- vibrating only on one  level—-LOVE
> >
> > the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i  had
> > finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about for
> > thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling
> >
> > The land of the dead was very special as well
> >
> >
> > my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you closer
> > to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in fact
> > brings you back to your true self.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
> > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
> > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being internal
> > dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the
> > universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I
> > regard myself as quite a spiritual person.
> >
> > Go Figure?
> >
> > Guy
> >
> > Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes open
> > and closed.
> >
> > My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a big
> > dose, 9 capsules in total
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
> > Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear list,
> >
> > A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
> > ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
> > percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty
> > broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
> > responses.
> >
> > And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
> > spiritual, profane or secular.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > ________________________________
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From: “Dave Brockman” <davebroc@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: APOCALYPSE BE HERE NOW! Ibo conf
Date: March 1, 2006 at 1:59:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks to all of you who made the conf happen it was informative and I
enjoyed it. To give some feedback from a outsider point of view, I
went in not knowing that much about ibogaine and came out knowing so
much info and background from different views that I think all of you
did a great job. Way to go Tyler and SSDP!!

The blonde guy with earrings and the doctor with the pony tail at the
start were great, both talk really well and it was great to listen to
them, they complimented each other and were real gracious. The short
talk about drug development was good, my only comment would be to put
that other doctor with the real short hair on last or for whoever is
moderating that panel to moderate it instead of doing nothing. Not
meaning to dis anyone, he’s a smart guy and knows a lot, but he
doesn’t communicate it too well and he went on way wayyyyy over his
scheduled time. Not to name anyone, but there are a lot of people
including most of the panelists who left the room during his talk,
went back, saw he was still on then left again 3 or 4 times and went
outside or talked in the lobby. I being one of them and then I missed
Lotsoff’s talk which I really wanted to see but the doctor before him
ran so far over time and wasn’t a good communicator that he cleared
out a lot of the room before Lotsoff. I think that’s a disservice to
anyone interested in ibo. Either enforce time limits or put the doc on
last.

Opened the conference schedule in another window to read the names,
the people I meant at the start were Kroupa and Kamlet and the doc who
kept going on was Dr. Alpert.

The politico panel at the end was great fun, the long haired freak
rolling a joint in the room and the shorter guy on the left with the
shaved head, were good presenters and didn’t talk the same loop as
everyone else.

I really loved Alex Grey’s it was a great party during and after, the
artists were dope but if the intent was to really say anything about
spiritual experience or religion about ibogaine, you missed the
ballpark by a mile. The first panel is trying to tie everything with
ibo into Christianity, the second panel was really fun because it’s
the first time I’ve been to Grey’s where the panelists spend so much
time sniping at each other, when both of them are supposedly talking
about spirituality, Kroupa was really funny ‘that’s it for the love
and light death match’ was right on, and the sacrament religion is a
dope idea and I think you should take some of the advice and check
Leary’s starting your own religion and maybe make contact with the
counsel of spiritual practices, because what you’ve got right now is a
real religion that is a real mess. The only person who was halfway
sane is Kroupa, I don’t know if sane is the right word, but he moves
between talking about his life as a junkie, to science, to religion
and makes it sound plausible, but then you’ve got Dana who wants to be
pope and turn it into pschedelic christianity, scoping the website for
sacrament its nuts with some biocybernetic book, then the person
fighting with daniel pinchbeck Lee Alper is another member of the
religion who says something different then all the other members.

You had a great show, Kroupa says he doesn’t care about dogma, then
you’ve got 2 other people from the religion where he’s high priest,
saying something that totally contradicts what each of them is saying
and talking nothing but dogma, Dana wants to be pope and Alper talks
to angels, then there’s the person who started it named Marko who
won’t enter the US according to Kroupa, you all need to sort out your
message, it is real confusing, but real entertaining too!
Then instead of one person to talk about the Bwiti original religion,
you have two white people arguing with each other about who is
loopiest (Alper and Pinchbeck). It was a lot of fun, but no real
content. Scratch that there was a lot of content, but between the two
of them none of it was coherent or made any sense or had anything to
do with ibogaine, except that both of them have tripped on it and are
talking about healing, higher consciousness and love while having a
ego war on stage.

broc

On 3/1/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings, true believers, and thank you all for a wonderful weekend
in NYC!  Here’s a quick run-down on how the conference went for me…
Friday was unbelievable.  I got to the city around 3, checked into my
hotel, and then sat there, wondering what the hell I was supposed to
be doing.  Not having an evil agenda and cash in pocket was a very
strange, but immensely pleasurable experience, and I roamed the LES
with a coffee and a shit-eating grin.
Preston and I went for indian food-(yes, folks, Preston is EATING)
and
some pool, and I went back to my hotel early, happy and tired,
sleeping for real for the first time in a long time. It really is too
quiet where I am.
The conference on Saturday was very informative, though hard to find
at first, and it was wonderful to meet some of the people I’ve been
yakking at for the past year or so, and renewing old friendships was
a
trip and half.  I don’t think that any of us who ran around the LES
ever thought we’d be alive, never mind at Columbia for a friggin’
conference. It did a lot for my morale to be in the thick of it, and
not desparing over my next fix.
Sunday was just right, after so much straight data thrown at us, it
was a relief to have the more spiritual and artisitic side
represented.  Aside from Pinchbeck and Lee almost sniping each other
to death, it was an excellent way to end.  I have to say that both
brought up some good points, though Pinchbeck seemed a bit
hypocritical, stating he thought that people who flew all over the
world experiencing different initiations and spirtual experiences
were
doing more to harm the environment than help.  Isn’t that kind of
exactly what he’s doing?  His info on the mayan mind calanderr was
interesting, and apparently, we’re all about to become mid-wives of
the spiritual kind when the world as we know it ends in 2008, and is
set on track by 2012 (hence, Apocolypse be here now….)
The best of all of this was the time spent with fellow iboganauts,
newly met and otherwise.  I hadn’t realized how truly isolated i was
(or feel) until i was in the middle of it all, and it renewed and
reconfirmed my commitment to do something- ANYTHING- to keep my self
involved.  Ibogaine has proven to be a life line in more than one way
for me, always reaching out to help in one way or another, exactly
when i need it.
As I stepped (very relunctantly) off of the train and back into the
sub-zero Maine air, my friend that picked me up said, “You look
different.”
“Different how? Like, I’ve been on trains for 9 hours and am coming
down with the flu different? I’m tired as hell different?”
“No, just….different.”
This a response I’ve gotten several times after each treatment, and
it
sort of surprised me, but after thinking back to what the whole
weekend was about, I suppose it makes sense.  I know that I feel a
hell of a lot better after being around that many Iboganauts, far
more
focused and relaxed about everything that I did before I went.
Thank you all for everything this weekend!  I haven’t felt this close
to normal in a very long time, and am lucky to know you all!
re-energized and refocused love from
tink

 

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 2:03:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m good, Thanks. Feeling a bit un-inspired being back at work after the weekend but I’m hanging in there and nothing is permenent unless I choose it to be. So I’m just riding another one of my moods out. I have to say though its quite amazing that I have the ability to do that these days.
As for your question, I didn’t get to read the beginning of the topic becasue I’m at work but if your asking me what I think your asking me, A bit of both. My last session that is (which is a year ago in 6 days!).
I think I might of mentioned this to you once before but I had what I consider to be something similar to post tramautic stress disorder that lasted a good three months or so. I wouldn’t call it profane per say, but definately the ass kicking of my life. But almost like some kind of kind yet stern entity was doing it. So I guess a little bit of both.
Thanks again and it was great seein you as always, especially under such good circumstances.
I’ll be in touch real soon to catch up. -M.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:06:31 EST

In a message dated 3/1/06 8:47:43 AM, mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

 

The conference inspired me to get back on this list. Just got in to work (ugh) so I can’t get into much but it was great meeting all of you that I hadn’t met yet.  Hope all of you are well and I’ll touch base soon. Thank you Dana and of course always much thanks to Howard. -Mark

Hi Mark,

How about you?  Sacred or Profane?  Your ibo experiences that is.

Howard

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirk here….
Date: March 1, 2006 at 10:08:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WELCOME BACK!!!!
So glad it went well for you, and much love being sent your way- you,
too, Jasen!!
Thanks for taking excellent care of our Kirkie!
take BiscuitBoy’s advice on the yoghurt- it helped me a bit, anyhow.
It’s a bit miraclulous how it all eventually comes together, eh?
Love to you in abundance
tink
On 2/27/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
Kirk it is great to see you so lucid and feeling so well. I figured you had
lotso help, it’s really cool to see how many beautiful people are willing to
help isn’t it? I just have to say one thing though, don’t forget to eat some
yogurt everyday for about a week (in my opinion) it helps to replace the
bacteria in your stomach that the Ibogaine will deplete. Tell Jasen hey for
me, and may the love light shine on you forever.           Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] APOCOLYPSE BE HERE NOW!!!!!(or, dana wants to be Pope)
Date: March 1, 2006 at 11:58:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Greetings, true believers, and thank you all for a wonderful weekend
in NYC!  Here’s a quick run-down on how the conference went for me…
Friday was unbelievable.  I got to the city around 3, checked into my
hotel, and then sat there, wondering what the hell I was supposed to
be doing.  Not having an evil agenda and cash in pocket was a very
strange, but immensely pleasurable experience, and I roamed the LES
with a coffee and a shit-eating grin.
Preston and I went for indian food-(yes, folks, Preston is EATING) and
some pool, and I went back to my hotel early, happy and tired,
sleeping for real for the first time in a long time. It really is too
quiet where I am.
The conference on Saturday was very informative, though hard to find
at first, and it was wonderful to meet some of the people I’ve been
yakking at for the past year or so, and renewing old friendships was a
trip and half.  I don’t think that any of us who ran around the LES
ever thought we’d be alive, never mind at Columbia for a friggin’
conference. It did a lot for my morale to be in the thick of it, and
not desparing over my next fix.
Sunday was just right, after so much straight data thrown at us, it
was a relief to have the more spiritual and artisitic side
represented.  Aside from Pinchbeck and Lee almost sniping each other
to death, it was an excellent way to end.  I have to say that both
brought up some good points, though Pinchbeck seemed a bit
hypocritical, stating he thought that people who flew all over the
world experiencing different initiations and spirtual experiences were
doing more to harm the environment than help.  Isn’t that kind of
exactly what he’s doing?  His info on the mayan mind calanderr was
interesting, and apparently, we’re all about to become mid-wives of
the spiritual kind when the world as we know it ends in 2008, and is
set on track by 2012 (hence, Apocolypse be here now….)
The best of all of this was the time spent with fellow iboganauts,
newly met and otherwise.  I hadn’t realized how truly isolated i was
(or feel) until i was in the middle of it all, and it renewed and
reconfirmed my commitment to do something- ANYTHING- to keep my self
involved.  Ibogaine has proven to be a life line in more than one way
for me, always reaching out to help in one way or another, exactly
when i need it.
As I stepped (very relunctantly) off of the train and back into the
sub-zero Maine air, my friend that picked me up said, “You look
different.”
“Different how? Like, I’ve been on trains for 9 hours and am coming
down with the flu different? I’m tired as hell different?”
“No, just….different.”
This a response I’ve gotten several times after each treatment, and it
sort of surprised me, but after thinking back to what the whole
weekend was about, I suppose it makes sense.  I know that I feel a
hell of a lot better after being around that many Iboganauts, far more
focused and relaxed about everything that I did before I went.
Thank you all for everything this weekend!  I haven’t felt this close
to normal in a very long time, and am lucky to know you all!
re-energized and refocused love from
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SILICON chips implanted?
Date: March 1, 2006 at 11:36:55 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

friggin’ scary, is what!
thanks for posting it
tink
On 2/27/06, Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a science fiction movie but who knows what!

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story263.htm

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Murder, poison and destruction good, druggies BAD!
Date: March 1, 2006 at 11:15:08 AM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
How anyone can still support these fascist maniacs is beyond me, PARTICULARLY those who call themselves “christians.” Egad. What in the world would the “real” Jesus say today, if he appeared one day and saw what is and has been done in his name, over and over again? I imagine he’s gonna be pretty darned pissed off. But then, he might also advise turning the other cheek, so who knows, the “real” Jesus might simply love us all, including the out-and-out criminals I discuss in the following blog, regardless of the henious crimes our leaders commit in our name, using our taxes while denying us all universal health care.

http://www.myspace.com/prestonpeet

Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Murder, poison and destruction good, druggies BAD!
Current mood: irritated, indignant, yet happy
Category: News and Politics

“The links between drug abuse, deprivation, unemployment and certain types of criminal behaviour are well known. None of these, individually or collectively, cause drug abuse any more than drug abuse is the sole cause of crime, poverty and unemployment.”

So reads the latest Report of the International Narcotics Control Board 2005, which can be read in its entirety at this URL:
http://www.incb.org/incb/annual_report_2005.html

While this is simply common sense to anyone who stops to think about it with an open mind, those in control of the War on Some Drugs and Users would prefer none of us read this sort of thing, and will quite probably ignore this report, just as they have every other report decrying the insane WOSDU that’s come out since Nixon declared his ultra-destructive, fascist WOSDU 30-odd years ago.

As a matter of fact, many of the maniacs who once worked with and/or for Nixon are back in office today, like Richard “the Dick” Cheney, who not only has nearly equal powers to the President, the first time in history this is the case.

As Syndey Blumenthal reported for Salon.com last week:

“On March 25, 2003, President Bush signed Executive Order 13292, a hitherto little known document that grants the greatest expansion of the power of the vice president in American history. The order gives the vice president the same ability to classify intelligence as the president. By controlling classification, the vice president can in effect control intelligence and, through that, foreign policy.”

(http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2006/02/23/cheney_power/)
The Dick is the very same asshole who claimed while serving under the first Bush Presidency that all those crimes committed during Iran-Contra were simple “mistakes” and that Congress was acting out of line by curtailing the powers of the President to commit yet more crimes.

As John Dean, another former Nixon lackey and now outspoken critic of the current Bush cartel, put it in his recent article for FindLaw.com describing how Cheney’s mind set has changed little since his days defending and kissing the first Bush ass while royally screwing over the citizenry:

“The majority report asserted that the entire affair ‘was characterized by pervasive dishonesty and inordinate secrecy.’ But Cheney authored a minority report – joined by several other Republicans, though not all.

Cheney’s report took a very different view: He called the failures of the Reagan White House to comply with the laws ‘mistakes,’ insisting they ‘were just that – mistakes in judgment and nothing more.’

These so-called mistakes were actually serious criminal offenses according to Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh, who successfully prosecuted some eight Reagan officials for their mistakes. All eight, however, either had their verdicts reversed on technicalities, or were pardoned by President George H.W. Bush. The George W. administration hired many of these people, and has made the records of George H.W. Bush disappear.

Somewhat astoundingly, Cheney’s minority report not only defended the White House’s lawbreaking but also scolded Congress for passing the relevant laws in the first place. Congress, he argued, was ‘abusing its power’ when it adopted laws restricting the president’s spending of money to aide the Nicaraguan Contras. ‘Congress must recognize that effective foreign policy requires, and the Constitution mandates, the President to be the country’s foreign policy leader,’ Cheney’s report declared, ignoring the fact the Constitution gives Congress exclusive power over the purse.”
(http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021206A.shtml)

Meanwhile, Depleted Uranium, highly toxic material used by both the US and Great Britain in many of their newfangled favorite weapons, is drifting through the air into British airspace, meaning that every other country between the Middle East and Afghanistan and Great Britain has probably also had a huge influx of Depleted Uranium drifting into their airspace too.

“The highest levels of depleted uranium ever measured in the atmosphere in Britain, were transported on air currents from the Middle East and Central Asia; of special significance were those from the Tora Bora bombing in Afghanistan in 2001, and the ‘Shock & Awe’ bombing during Gulf War II in Iraq in 2003.

Out of concern for the public, the official British government air monitoring facility, known as the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), at Aldermaston, was established years ago to measure radioactive emissions from British nuclear power plants and atomic weapons facilities.

The British government facility (AWE) was taken over 3 years ago by Halliburton, which refused at first to release air monitoring data to Dr. Busby, as required by law.”
(http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2006/DU-Europe-Moret26feb06.htm)

What this means is that The Dick’s “former” corporation, Halliburton, is involved in covering up the damaging effects of DU. This also means that heroin and opium aren’t the only illicit substance being spread across the globe since the US and Britain invaded. The cutthroat maniacs of the Northern Alliance, that drug-funded army we handed Afghanistan to, were only ones still growing poppies when the US and Britain invaded in 2001 (we’d just given the Taliban $43 million in “humanitarian aid” in May, 2001, due to their having destroyed most of that year’s crops- but not their stockpiles of course- thereby earning the aid as a “cooperating War on Some Drugs and Users partner” of the US prohibitionistic Nazis.

snip-

Read the entire blog at:

http://www.myspace.com/prestonpeet

Peace and love
—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 11:06:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 3/1/06 8:47:43 AM, mcorcoran27@hotmail.com writes:

 

The conference inspired me to get back on this list. Just got in to work (ugh) so I can’t get into much but it was great meeting all of you that I hadn’t met yet.  Hope all of you are well and I’ll touch base soon. Thank you Dana and of course always much thanks to Howard. -Mark

Hi Mark,

How about you?  Sacred or Profane?  Your ibo experiences that is.

Howard

 

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 10:56:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy,

Yes, please feel free to pick up the discussion at your convenience.

Howard

In a message dated 3/1/06 6:05:30 AM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com writes:

Howard,  I missed the conference and didn’t get to thank you again in person for all the research and love you have put into Ibogaine and Iboga. Now to answer your question. I consider my Ibogaine experience to have been a spiritual experience because of how I felt afterwards. I didn’t see God in person but I could feel the overwhelming love that I always expected of God. I saw the universe on a level that I had never ever even considered and I knew that I wasn’t alone. In my reflections afterwards I felt calmer about life and where I was going in it then I have ever felt in my entire existence. I still feel the same way. It gave me a sense of resolve and just having that gave me peace. I’m not sure what secular means or profane for that matter,.so maybe what I’m describing is just that, I don’t know. It’s getting time for me to leave for work so I have to leave it at this for the moment. Can I get back with ya on this? Sure will give me something to think about while I’m diggin’ in the dirt down here in the bluegrass state.        Much love and respect for you and yours       Randy

 

 

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] FBI shut down server, and seized hardware. So now who is sending this virus?
Date: March 1, 2006 at 10:52:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

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Date: Feb 24, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: [Vox] FBI shut down server, and seized hardware. So now who is sending this virus?
To: vox@mindvox.com

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 10:41:40 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The first time I did it, it was an intense journey (via a smallish
guide with a staff and a little white toga, chilllin’ with the Bwiti)
through the beginning of the our little planet, how man evolved, how
man was devolving, and my infinitesimal part in all of it,
overpopulation, war, death, destruction, rebirth, the whole cycle as
it repeats itself, as well as a bit of childhood misery. I also had a
very bizarre series of shared visions with the other people in the
room i was being treated with on Kitts, and was able to tell two
different people about some very personal information involving the
death of one fellow’s father, and the other’s impending suicide(which
unfortunately happened less than a month after his treatment.  he hung
himself in jail and I saw the whole thing, but didn’t specify when we
talked about it.  he said that he had seen himself die, and I said I
had too.  Still creeps me out more than I can convey.  Mash said I was
an empath.) The second was incredibly different, focusing on the need
to get back to the earth, and the basics of caring for the world we
live on before it’s too late.  It was more celebratory, with drums and
dance and a lot of gardening.  The third time was more personal, and
precisely the cosmic bitchslapping I needed to remove my head from my
ass (to an extent).  I had alot of flashes of myself in the future, if
I kept going where I was going, as well as a glimpse back to different
paths I could’ve chosen and didn’t.  Spiritually, it was an awakening
in that I finally understood on a much deeper level that I really am a
part of everything around me, and it was time to take responsibilty
for that and do something about who and what I am. This experience
left me far more zapped, and took a lot longer to come back from, but
included a bit of repeating of theme from the second treatment.
Emphasis keeps going back to one message, as I see it:
NOW YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??!!!!!
After the conference, now I know ;]
Love to all
tink

On 3/1/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a
direct contact with what we perceive as “god”

Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless infinite
space—- vibrating only on one  level—-LOVE

the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i  had
finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about for
thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling

The land of the dead was very special as well

my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you closer
to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in fact
brings you back to your true self.

 

 

________________________________
From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200

 

I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being internal
dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the
universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I
regard myself as quite a spiritual person.

Go Figure?

Guy

Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes open
and closed.

My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a big
dose, 9 capsules in total

 

________________________________

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

 

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty
broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 9:08:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

First time i did ibogaine was when i had a very spiritual experience- a direct contact with what we perceive as “god”
Millions of sparkling pulsating energies—–whirling in an endless infinite space—- vibrating only on one  level—-LOVE
the love emenating from everything around me was mindblowing…… i  had finally seen this elusive “god” that everybody has been talking about for thousands of years——-words are too primitive to explain this feeling
The land of the dead was very special as well
my deff of sprituality —-feelings/emotions/thoughts that bring you closer to everything around you, meaning bringing you closer to “god” which in fact brings you back to your true self.

 

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:08:27 +0200

I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being internal dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I regard myself as quite a spiritual person.
Go Figure?
Guy
Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes open and closed.
My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a big dose, 9 capsules in total
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred, spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

 

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From: “Mark Corcoran” <mcorcoran27@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 8:46:00 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The conference inspired me to get back on this list. Just got in to work (ugh) so I can’t get into much but it was great meeting all of you that I haddent met yet.  Hope all of you are well and I’ll touch base soon. Thank you Dana and of course always much thanks to Howard. -Mark

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:58:06 EST

Howard,  I missed the conference and didn’t get to thank you again in person for all the research and love you have put into Ibogaine and Iboga. Now to answer your question. I consider my Ibogaine experience to have been a spiritual experience because of how I felt afterwards. I didn’t see God in person but I could feel the overwhelming love that I always expected of God. I saw the universe on a level that I had never ever even considered and I knew that I wasn’t alone. In my reflections afterwards I felt calmer about life and where I was going in it then I have ever felt in my entire existence. I still feel the same way. It gave me a sense of resolve and just having that gave me peace. I’m not sure what secular means or profane for that matter,.so maybe what I’m describing is just that, I don’t know. It’s getting time for me to leave for work so I have to leave it at this for the moment. Can I get back with ya on this? Sure will give me something to think about while I’m diggin’ in the dirt down here in the bluegrass state.        Much love and respect for you and yours       Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT?) DU floating around the globe thanks to maniacs apparently
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:51:08 AM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
The worshipers of the god of war aren’t satisfied with all the immediate blood sacrifice they’re offering their god- now they’re offering life as we know it apparently- and of course, “now” is a relative term, as they’ve been at it for years and SOME people keep defending their nuclear idiocy and insanity.
Peace and love, SOMEDAY, but it might not be us giving and accepting the peace and love, it might be the cockroaches at this rate.
Preston

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2006/DU-Europe-Moret26feb06.htm
The Queen’s Death Star
Depleted Uranium Measured in British Atmosphere from
Battlefields in the Middle East
LEUREN MORET / Mindfully.org 26feb2006

Leuren Moret
President, Scientists for Indigenous People
City of Berkeley Environmental Commissioner
Past President, Association for Women Geoscientists
Berkeley, CA
Phone/FAX (510) 845-3139
leurenmoret@yahoo.com
[More by Leuren Moret]

“Did the use of Uranium weapons in Gulf War II result in contamination of Europe? Evidence from the measurements of the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), Aldermaston, Berkshire, UK,” reported the Sunday Times Online (February 19, 2006) in a shocking scientific study authored by British scientists Dr. Chris Busby and Saoirse Morgan.
The highest levels of depleted uranium ever measured in the atmosphere in Britain, were transported on air currents from the Middle East and Central Asia; of special significance were those from the Tora Bora bombing in Afghanistan in 2001, and the “Shock & Awe” bombing during Gulf War II in Iraq in 2003.
Out of concern for the public, the official British government air monitoring facility, known as the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), at Aldermaston, was established years ago to measure radioactive emissions from British nuclear power plants and atomic weapons facilities.
The British government facility (AWE) was taken over 3 years ago by Halliburton, which refused at first to release air monitoring data to Dr. Busby, as required by law.
An international expert on low level radiation, Busby serves as an official advisor on several British government committees, and co-authored an independent report on low level radiation with 45 scientists, the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR), for the European Parliament. He was able to get Aldermaston air monitoring data from Halliburton /AWE by filing a Freedom of Information request using a new British law which became effective January 1, 2005; but the data for 2003 was missing. He obtained the 2003 data from the Defence Procurement Agency.
The fact that the air monitoring data was circulated by Halliburton/ AWE to the Defence Procurement Agency, implies that it was considered to be relevant, and that Dr. Busby was stonewalled because Halliburton/ AWE clearly recognized that it was a serious enough matter to justify a government interpretation of the results, and official decisions had to be made about what the data would show and its political implications for the military.
In a similar circumstance, in 1992, Major Doug Rokke, the Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Cleanup Project after Gulf War I, was ordered by a U.S. Army General officer to write a no-bid contract “Depleted Uranium, Contaminated Equipment, and Facilities Recovery Plan Outline” for the procedures for cleaning up Kuwait, including depleted uranium, for Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton.
snip-

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@NYC.RR.COM>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:54:11 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Methadone comparison with buprenorphine (pure) from Norway.

A randomised clinical trial of methadone vs. buprenorphine to opioid dependants. Kristensen O, Espegren O, Asland R, Jakobsen E, Lie O, Seiler S. Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen 2005 125;2:148-151

Dear Colleagues,
After decades of denial in Norway, methadone was finally introduced in 1998 and buprenorphine in 2000 for opioid dependence.  These researchers set out to compare the effects of the two maintenance therapies in their own drug using population.

There were 50 long term (>10 years) opioid dependent subjects randomised to receive 16mg fixed dose buprenorphine or variable dose methadone (mean daily dose 106mg, range 80-160mg) over 6 months observation.  Patient retention rate was 85% in the methadone group and 36% for those prescribed buprenorphine.  Opiate positive urine tests were slightly lower in the methadone group (20% vs. 24%).  Importantly, the methadone subjects reported less high risk behaviour.  For some reason, only the buprenorphine group (or the minority who remained in the trial) reported significant improvements in general health.

This small study should be the last to compare methadone and buprenorphine in this way.  Their results were predictable, adding little more than Scandinavian corroboration to 20 years of preceding research.  The fixed dose buprenorphine dosing schedule here was probably based on a successful Swedish model (Kakko, 2003).  However, methadone and buprenorphine should both be prescribed in tailored doses according to clinical need, using appropriate increments (eg 5mg for methadone, 0.4mg for buprenorphine).  It is likely that some buprenorphine patients in this trial dropped out because they received too little or too much of the drug (32mg is the maximum recommended dose).  I could only access this abstract in English translation, so I am not able to bring further details at this point.

There is no longer any doubt that both methadone and buprenorphine are effective for substantial numbers of heroin addicted subjects treated with adequate supervised (and flexible) doses along with psychosocial supports.

From a body of research, including numerous RCT’s, we know that when compared to buprenorphine: (1) methadone generally suits a higher proportion of the total and (2) it reduces the use of other opiates to a greater degree and (3) whilst in treatment, such patients are less likely to be involved in high risk behaviours.  Methadone is also considered to be safe in pregnancy and is much cheaper and easier to administer.  Thus methadone should probably still be our preferred first option and buprenorphine kept in reserve for particular indications.  If there are concerns about patients misusing methadone then take-away doses should be limited until stability has been demonstrated.  It may be that long-term users are less likely to fare well on buprenorphine, as shown in this study.

It is unfortunate that decisions for physicians and especially for patients are frequently dictated not by clinical considerations as much as by regulatory constraints.  In some countries (and for no logical reason) these are far more onerous and odious for methadone, while others artificially restrict or even ban the use of buprenorphine for addiction treatment, despite almost 20 years of favourable research.

My feeling is that buprenorphine should be available as an option to all patients who report problems taking methadone.  Such patients, however, should be carefully monitored since a high proportion relapse (in this case 74% within 6 months) and may need to transfer back to methadone or to consider other alternatives such as detoxification.

There is no indication that new combination formulation of buprenorphine (with naloxone) will be any more effective than the pure product.  Some evidence points towards lowered efficacy (50% higher doses were required in one small comparative trial).  While some have stated that sublingual naloxone is not relevant clinically, others have found objective changes and significant absorption (10% or more).  Naloxone has a rapid serum clearance time (~5 minute half life) but its serum half life following distribution is just over one hour.  While one hopes for less diversion with this formulation, Charles (Bob) Schuster writes: “It is unlikely, however, that any formulation can be developed that cannot be altered by ‘street chemists’ into a more abusable form.”

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Harris DS, Jones RT,  Welm S, Upton RA, Lin E, Mendelson J. Buprenorphine and naloxone co-administration in opiate-dependent patients stabilized on sublingual buprenorphine. 2000 Drug and Alcohol Dependence 61:85-94

Berkowitz BA. The relationship of pharmacokinetic to pharmacological activity: morphine, methadone and naloxone. Clin Pharmacokinet. 1976 1;3:219-30

Kakko J, Svanborg KD, Kreek MJ, Heilig M. 1-year retention and social function after buprenorphine-associated relapse prevention treatment for heroin dependence in Sweden: a randomised, placebo-controlled trial. (2003) Lancet 361:662-668

Schuster CR. History and current perspectives on the use of drug formulations to decrease the abuse of prescription drugs. Drug and Alcohol Dependence (2006 in press, pre-publication version, accessed 28/2/06)

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Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thomas De Quincey’s Confessions book on free web site:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2040/2040-h/2040-h.htm
My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” and
“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”
http://www.csdp.org/addict/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 7:18:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My good friend Randy wrote in clear, unconvoluted fashion
In my reflections afterwards I felt calmer about life and where I was going in it then I have ever felt in my entire existence. I still feel the same way. It gave me a sense of resolve and just having that gave me peace. I’m not sure what secular means or profane for that matter,.so maybe what I’m describing is just that, I don’t know.<

To which I can only add, DITTO.
;-))
Peace and love.
—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Howard,  I missed the conference and didn’t get to thank you again in person for all the research and love you have put into Ibogaine and Iboga. Now to answer your question. I consider my Ibogaine experience to have been a spiritual experience because of how I felt afterwards. I didn’t see God in person but I could feel the overwhelming love that I always expected of God. I saw the universe on a level that I had never ever even considered and I knew that I wasn’t alone. In my reflections afterwards I felt calmer about life and where I was going in it then I have ever felt in my entire existence. I still feel the same way. It gave me a sense of resolve and just having that gave me peace. I’m not sure what secular means or profane for that matter,.so maybe what I’m describing is just that, I don’t know. It’s getting time for me to leave for work so I have to leave it at this for the moment. Can I get back with ya on this? Sure will give me something to think about while I’m diggin’ in the dirt down here in the bluegrass state. Much love and respect for you and yours       Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] that little tidbit saying DON’T POST ELSEWHERE
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:42:56 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From one of my posts to the ibogaine list yesterday (at 2-27-06, 12:33PM)
Here’s one of the two version of the review I wrote for HT that still is unpublished so please don’t post it anywhere, yet, unless I let you know further developements- that is, if you want to post it elsewhere:<

The above is taken right from the top of my email posted yesterday to the ibogaine list Dana. And wouldn’t you know if, my friend, you went ahead and posted it anyway.
I’m not at all angry, more just bemused, as I SHOULD HAVE put DANA, DO NOT POST ELSEWHERE instead of leaving it ambiguous as I did.
Also, as I mentioned at your place yesterday Dana, that last time you did this I don’t think I did remember to write DO NOT POST, but didn’t actually consider it as I was a bit outta my skull. But you went ahead any posted my “suicidal and desperate” note to this list of yours, which goes all over the world too- including to my bosses and editors at High Times, which I must admit was a little disconcerting to discover when one of my editors wrote me an email saying he was sorry to hear about my latest turmoil.
Egad Dana, that was the LAST office in the world I really wanted to discuss my troubles in, but it did work out ok, THIS TIME.
I suppose it’s hopeless to ask you to PLEASE not do this sort of thing again. And if it does happen again, I think I’m going to have to self-censor myself and refrain from posting on the ibogaine list. I realize that the ibogaine list itself goes out to quite a few people, but NOT TO MY BOSSES AND EDITORS.
So now the review/article I’ve turned in to be published FIRST by HT has now not only gone out to the ibogaine list, a list I hold in high honor hence my posting unpublished yet TURNED IN TO BE PUBLISHED material, but also to the HT office itself, so now I’m not sure it will EVER be published in the mag. And that will SUCK MIGHTILY as I really want to promote Supernatural for my friend Graham too.
So have a great day all, and Dana, please read what you post of mine BEFORE posting it in the future and ASK ME BEFORE YOU FORWARD ON any more of my ibogaine posts, please.
Thanks for your consideration.

 

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:30:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luke wrote in reply to Howard’s request
I also communicated with my dead Grandfather and
communication with future alien societies.  I don’t know wether it was
just my mind but those experiences were spiritual.<

(First off, I just wanna point out that the guy I’ve been jamming and writing new songs with since returning from Sara’s is named Luke too- his former band was Cool Hand. You’ve got a great name Luke.)
Now, while I did not speak nor hear from any dead relatives, at least not so as I remember (I’m adopted so I don’t really remember any blood relatives anyway), I did communicate and see many different kinds of future societies which all came to bad ends whether they themselves were “bad” or not.
I’m not sure whether I’d call any of my visions “spiritual” or “religious” at all- but I would call the entire experience VERY spiritual, to me anyway. I honestly feel that by taking ibogaine (and shrooms on various occasions too I must note) I experienced direct communication with whatever great mind is out there, or even MINDS, or beings or whatever it is the Earth calls itself.
;-))
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.

—–
“Your hand on his arm. What’s that charm
around your neck?
Strung out and thin, calling some friend,
trying to cash some check.
He’s acting dumb, that’s what you’ve come
to expect.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
He’s wearing new clothes, head down to toes,
a reaction to you.
You say you know what he did
to idiot kid who don’t have a clue.
Sometime they just get caught in the eye.
You’re pulling him through.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.
Now on the bus, nearly touching
this dirty latrine.
Falling out, six Impala, death sweat in
my teeth.
Gonna walk, walk, walk, four more blocks,
touch the one in my brain.
Down, downstairs, to the man,
he’s gonna make it all ok.
I can be myself, I can be myself when
I don’t want to talk.
Taking the cure, so I can be quiet,
whereever I want.
So leave me alone, you oughta be proud
that I’m getting good marks.
Needle in the hay. Needle in the hay.”
Eliott Smith- “Needle in the Hay”
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
—– Original Message —– From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Hi Howard,
I had a religious type of spiritual experience on a
low dose of ibogaine.  This was a blissfull feeling with christian
images of Jesus.

I had some other experiences which seemed spiritual in a
different way. A long sequence of watching a peacefull self fullfilled
society where people lived uncomplicated and content lives and also
seeing them dealing with death and their wonderment at this process
and the world.

I also communicated with my dead Grandfather and
communication with future alien societies.  I don’t know wether it was
just my mind but those experiences were spiritual.  There might have
been others but I can’t remember of hand.  Most of my other
experiences didn’t seem that spiritual though I wasn’t particularly
interested in searching for spirituality which could be a factor.  I’m
becoming more curious about this so maybe next time.

Luke

On 2/28/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty
broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:08:27 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have done Ibogaine one week ago and my visions while mostly being internal dialogues with my sub conscious had no religious connotations. I saw the universe as I perceive it  but had no visions of God or Creators and I regard myself as quite a spiritual person.
Go Figure?
Guy
Ps I was gone for about 36 hours and loads of hallucinations with eyes open and closed.
My dose was 15 mg per KG of body weight and I weigh 96 kgs, so quite a big dose, 9 capsules in total
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: 28 February 2006 19:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred, spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

 

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hello All
Date: March 1, 2006 at 6:03:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Aubert, your story sounds very similar to mine. The difference being I was born in Zimbabwe and now live in South Africa. I have battled with drugs for about 14 years and have done more rehabs than I can remember. One week ago I did Ibogaine in the African Bush. I was shooting a gram of H a day. I tripped hard, had visions and internal dialogues with my subconscious. I now know U cant bullshit your subconscious. I must recommend that if you track down Ibogaine and I know there are various sources in the states, do not do it by yourself!!!!!!. For up to 36 hours you may be physically immobilized and may need help, to pee etc, also somebody to keep you hydrated. Just punch in Ibogaine and search and you will find the right person. I am still physically weak and experience mild withdrawls but no cravings!!!!
Good Luck
Guy
From: Aubert Little [mailto:aubertlittle@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 28 February 2006 21:10
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello All

Greetings,

My name’s Aubert and I’m new to the ibogaine mailing list.  I first read about ibogaine three or four years ago and thought that it would be an interesting experience.  Today things are much different and my interest in ibogaine has changed as well.  I started my journey into altered states of consciousness at about 15 years old, young and naive.  Now six years later I’ve let myself, close friends, and family down many times due to my own neglegence.

At 18 years old I served sometime in Los Angeles County Jail for a sales charge (meth, mdma).  I got a DUI about a year after being released from jail.  I was on formal probation for the sales charge for three years so I had to drug test randomly… this actually helped me stay pretty clean and live a healthy life.  However, once I paid off my debt to the state and my probation was terminated I got a little reck less and went back into pushing.  At first it was strictly pushing and no using, then a little party usage here and there, and now the usage has taken on a life of it’s own and my attempts at putting a stop to it always start off strong but end in me eating my words along with the drugs.

I still work full time and maintain myself and my life the best I can, but it’s wearing me down and I desire nothing more than to put a stop to all my cravings, whims, and urges.  I know deep down that I have gotten everything positive I can out of using drugs and am now only hurting myself and my ability to function in reality.

I use to have a strong will and I considered myself to have a very non-addictive personality, but the meth and oxy’s are still giving me trouble, even after I promised myself that they never would interfere with my life again.

My family doesn’t have much money&nb sp;nor do I, but I am willing to put what money I can into obtaining ibogaine.  I believe I have enough resolve to stay clear of substance usage after the iboga journey, but don’t have any idea how I can get ibogaine.  I’ve read about rehabilitation clinics that use ibogaine and of course the journey to Africa and even Mexico, but I don’t have the time nor the money.

I don’t smoke ciggarettes, I enjoy working out at the gym (it’s either gym or drugs, currently it’s been drugs), I work full time, and have enough things on my plate to keep me away from drugs, but I need to break the cycle I’ve created.  Drugs are my coping mechanism for stress and responsibility.  I really do feel it’s time I face and solve problems that come my way instead of putting them off or trying to forget about them with drugs.

If anyone can offer any help on obtaining the ibogaine here in Cali fornia it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for reading.

Regards,
Aubert

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: March 1, 2006 at 5:58:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,  I missed the conference and didn’t get to thank you again in person for all the research and love you have put into Ibogaine and Iboga. Now to answer your question. I consider my Ibogaine experience to have been a spiritual experience because of how I felt afterwards. I didn’t see God in person but I could feel the overwhelming love that I always expected of God. I saw the universe on a level that I had never ever even considered and I knew that I wasn’t alone. In my reflections afterwards I felt calmer about life and where I was going in it then I have ever felt in my entire existence. I still feel the same way. It gave me a sense of resolve and just having that gave me peace. I’m not sure what secular means or profane for that matter,.so maybe what I’m describing is just that, I don’t know. It’s getting time for me to leave for work so I have to leave it at this for the moment. Can I get back with ya on this? Sure will give me something to think about while I’m diggin’ in the dirt down here in the bluegrass state.        Much love and respect for you and yours       Randy

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Detox b4 Detoxing^_^Tnxs Sara
Date: March 1, 2006 at 5:16:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Paul and Howard,
thanks for sharing, I will kindly advise you to have a read this link

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/psychology/logotherapy.shtml

I’m sure it is a “food for thoughts” and it will give you an idea what I’m
speaking with my clients during the time here.(only with those who are
open for it).
the logotherapy can help you become aware of, quote:

“To be yourself requires extraordinary intelligence. You are blessed with
that intelligence; nobody need give it to you; nobody can take it away
from you. He who lets that express itself in its own way is a ‘Natural
Man’.” U.G

for me, Iboga was a tool to finding that Understanding above quote, a key
to awareness of finding a meaning, letting hooks and obssession go,for me
it was a spiritual experience, I could feel the seperation of my body and
spirit, I could see my body as a bag of bones which was there to serve my
intelligece being. which is also what I got in my visions during the Iboga
trip few times in different events.

in one of the trips I took I was sitting on a top of a tree in the
rainforest and a bunch of people were gathered under the tree and demanded
that I should come down and take my responsibilities, which is using my
knowledge and not being watching high flying birds and top of the
mountains,
they people where insisting that I should come down and I refused in the
begining but more and more people came and then I felt that I had to come
down, as I came down my being had a physical body which was african, I
left those people on a path and that was the last I can remmeber.

best wishes,

S.G.

 

I would like to thank  Sara, for putting me in the right direction and
being
of such great support. Bless you Sara, for all your random acts of
unconditional love and kindness. You are an Angel darling.
This works, cos I have been using it for just over a month now and have
got
a crazy usage of, Alc, Meth, H, Benzos, SSRI’s and anticonvulsants, for
pain
relief of Neuropathic pain, down to 35ml Meth and 15mg Diazepam. Nothing
else, just smoke^_^!!!
I grant you, reading and taking the above for pain, is kind of like trying
to shoot a rabbit, at point blank range, with a twelve bore shot gun. Not
much of the rabbit left.!
Anyway I’m still here.^_^
Detox before Detoxing:)
Your body contains eliminative organs whose function is to keep the body
working efficiently. Each of your eliminative organs has an essential role
to play, each depending on the other so are either supportive of, or
supported by, one another in some way, allowing the body to feel
energized,
nourished and supported. It’s obvious though that if some of the support
network breaks down at any point that problems can and do occur.
Eliminative Organs: Lungs, Skin, Lymph, Blood, Liver and Kidneys, Colon.
I have gathered a great amount of info, plus sources and links, on all of
the above subjects, but I shall deal for the moment with, supporting your
eliminative Organs, ie, Liver, Kidneys and Colon.
The Liver and Kidneys are the blood’s filtration system, filtering the
blood
and cleansing it of waste matter and toxins it has collected. The Liver
and
Kidneys cleanse and refresh the blood and then tip out the waste they have
collected, solids into the Colon or liquid into the bladder.
Colon or Mucoid plaque harbours toxins, poisons and free radicals, and
pathogenic bacteria and parasites live in and under the plaque and
constantly seep into the bloodstream and lymph settling in the weaker
areas
of the body especially the Liver, Kidneys and Spleen.
Once these eliminative organs become overloaded with toxins they become
sluggish and are unable to perform their proper functions. The Liver is
supposed to dump the waste it has accumulated into the Colon, but if for
any
reason this isn’t happening or it is overwhelmed then the Liver itself
will
get blocked with something that resembles sludge or even small stone like
mineral deposits. Encouraging the Liver to really “Dump” its accumulated
waste into the Colon is performed with a Liver flush. Liver flushes work
better after a thorough Colon cleanse.
The Liver has 500 different known functions. Physiologically we develop
weakness of the Liver when we have abused our bodies by (taking drugs)
eating acid forming foods. The Liver is affected by negative thoughts and
emotions.
It therefore makes considerable sense to periodically cleanse the Liver
the
Liver and Kidneys, this supports the body in its attempts to maintain
health. Liver Flush programme and Kidney cleanse follows. Eat plenty of
fresh fruit and vegetables and nuts and at least 8 glasses of pure water
per
day.
Liver Flush:- This is a 7 day Liver flush. The day and night of Day 7 is
the
climax for this flush, so I strongly recommend you stay at home this day
so
you have, peaceful, access to the toilet just when you need it:)
Days 1-6.
Take one capsule of Cytocleanse and one capsule of Psyllium husks 3 times
a
day with plenty of water. In addition drink 1 litre of organic apple juice
throughout the day and 2 litres of water with lemon squeezed into it
throughout the day. Stick to a light diet of fresh fruit and vegetables,
nuts and seeds, brown rice, white meat and fish. Each evening dry skin
brush
thoroughly and soak in a warm bath with a cup of Epsom salts mixed in.
(Anyone interested in dry skin brushing, contact me).
Day 7:-
Take the Cytocleanse, Psyllium husks, apple juice and water as usual. Have
only a light diet of fruit for breakfast. Organic vegetables for lunch. 2
hours after lunch drink a mixture of 2 tablespoons of Epsom salts mixed in
a
small glass of water. Repeat this again after another 2 hours. After
another
2 hours have a large fresh fruit salad with generous amount of organic
double cream (yes, double cream). In the evening dry skin brush and take a
hot Epsom salt bath.
Just before going to bed mix 90ml of organic cold pressed virgin olive oil
with 90ml of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice and drink it down. Dip one
40cmx40cm cotton cloth in 125ml of Castor Oil. Soak the cloth thoroughly
and
then squeeze out surplus oil gently. The cloth should be completely wet
but
not “drippy”. Fold the cloth in half and wrap it on the right side of your
body, just under your ribs and around your waist. This way it sits over
the
Liver.
Wrap yourself in cling film so as none of the oil can escape onto your bed
and then retire to bed with a warm hot water bottle lying on the cloth
covered side of your body.
It is likely that you will need to go to toilet a few times through the
night and this is when you may pass sludge or stones.
Place a colander in the toilet bowl if you want to have a look. A liver
flush is more effective following a Colon cleanse.
Take it easy for a day or two after you finish the flush, as it may take a
while to feel as if you have processed the oil.
Try this Detox diet for 7 days and see how your body responds. See if you
feel better, even if you do not want to admit it.

Detox diet:-
It is easy, just make a commitment to avoid, for 7 days,
Wheat, Dairy products, Pasta, Potatoes, Alcohol, Red meat and Caffeine and
processed, refined or heavily flavoured or spiced foods.
Instead, stick to a plentiful variety of fresh clear fluids and juices,
eat
locally produced “seasonal organic” fruit and vegetables, select white
meats, fish and brown rice. Use natural honey and unrefined sugars for
those
of you with a sweet tooth:)
When you start to reintroduce food types, track the effects. Are there
some
things that negatively affect you? Cut them out full time and you could
benefit long term. Giving your Colon foods that are less effort to process
reduces Colonic stress.
Finding foods that are natural, wholesome, high-fibre and low-fat are what
you should be seeking out.
Be honest with yourself about the effect different foods have on you.
Part 2 to come  Colon Cleanse.
If anyone would like more in depth info, of “How to”, Where can I, or just
want questions answered, please contact me.
I have a mass of info and can get required herbs and equipment easily.

Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

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