Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-06

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 30, 2005 at 10:24:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, very well put. You and I got treated at roughly the same time and it is funny the parallels that have come up. I feel the same as you do right now. Very close anyway. I know of a technique using frequincy (bell sounds) that is supposed to make both sides of the brain more in tune with each other. I tried after Ibogaine and didn’t really get anything from it. Maybe now is the time to try it again. I’ll get back with you on the name of it and where to get it. It is hard to find yourself after years and tears of drug use. I can’t believe it has been 9 months. Ibogaine changed my life. I think I read where Howard said that most people need more than one treatment. I don’t know if that means a full treatment or maybe some boooster doses. I going to try the booster dose first. I don’t want to fuck this up. I love you my brother. We can do this. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UK ibogaine article
Date: June 30, 2005 at 9:32:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard that is one of the coolest articles I have ever read about Ibogaine. How could any intellegent person read that and not have the intrest piqued a little. I envy people in England. I wish we could get Ibogaine that easily. Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 9:07:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehh yehhhhh mate, so am I!!!!! What’s your excuse ;o)
Luff and massive amazing journies
Kirk
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 1:04 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

you nutter !! …….. lol sjonny !!
>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! >Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:23:34 +1200 > >.. > >And then there’s IRONING!!!!! Which is not part of my vocab. Crease-free >is. > >Anywayyyyyyy all the best – again I sooooooo envious!!!! > >I’m ok now, installed a new graphics card and I can play DOOM >3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG it’s amazing!! I’ll never be seen again… > >Til later > >Luff and may the Iboga God’s treat you real nice ;o) > >KIRK > > _____ > >Thanks mate , yeah – there’s irony and then there’s Irony!……… catch ya >later irv! > > > > > >From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net> > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:00:17 -0700 > > > >Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What bullshit that statement >is. If I could get some Ibo, Id do it yesterday. > >Keep me posted. > > > > Irv > > —– Original Message —– > > From: Sjonnygee . > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM > > Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > > > > > > Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to >take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down >to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m >through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack >out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish >me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. >sjonny. > > >/]=———————————————————————=[\ >[%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html >[%] >\]=———————————————————————=[/ > >/]=———————————————————————=[\ >[%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html >[%] >\]=———————————————————————=[/
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 9:04:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you nutter !! …….. lol sjonny !!

>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:23:34 +1200
>
>..
>
>And then there’s IRONING!!!!!  Which is not part of my vocab.  Crease-free
>is.
>
>Anywayyyyyyy all the best – again I sooooooo envious!!!!
>
>I’m ok now, installed a new graphics card and I can play DOOM
>3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG it’s amazing!! I’ll never be seen again…
>
>Til later
>
>Luff and may the Iboga God’s treat you real nice ;o)
>
>KIRK
>
>   _____
>
>Thanks mate , yeah – there’s irony and then there’s Irony!……… catch ya
>later irv!
>
>
>
>
> >From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
> >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:00:17 -0700
> >
> >Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What bullshit that statement
>is. If I could get some Ibo, Id do it yesterday.
> >Keep me posted.
> >
> >       Irv
> >   —– Original Message —–
> >   From: Sjonnygee .
> >   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM
> >   Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
> >
> >
> >   Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to
>take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down
>to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m
>through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack
>out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish
>me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list ……..
>sjonny.
> >
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 9:01:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lots of love back Jasen , thanks for your support……… cheers mate… sjonny !!

>From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:53:59 +1000
>
>   Wishing you a wonderful journey full of understanding and love,…we are awakening.Candle will be lit here downunder.
>
>                                                                                                         love, Jasen.
>   —– Original Message —–
>   From: Sjonnygee .
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:52 AM
>   Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>
>
>   Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 30, 2005 at 6:55:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

Maaaate,…whats going on. I am sorry to hear you were having a rough trot. I also have been very confused as to what direction to take in life,
there are so many paths. I went to see a keniesiologist, if thats how you spell it, and he told me that the right side of my brain was not properly communicating
with the left side. Maybe the Ibo’ stops the firing from the left to the right side of the brain for a while so we can experience the spirit, I don’t know,..if this is the case
maybe we also have everything material fall apart for a while,..Mmmm confused,..how to put this across??? It is so hard to put feelings into words sometimes.

Maybe our power of manisfitation is depleted for a while as our minds are stilled,..and materialy we do not get what we need to kick along,..I don’t know ,..just
thoughts.

Ok,…I noticed when you got back from your Ibo’ trip,…financially everything stagnated for a while,..things of a material nature seemed to fall apart, this is what also
happened to me,…I was confused,..my mind was not firing properly,..I found it hard to work. Cash flow got a bit serious. I am only starting to get mental motivation now.

I am still unsure what to do with the rest of my life,….is this also what you are feeling. This being opiate free for me is almost alien,..although it is wondorously
wonder full. We have awakended.

I love you my beautiful brother. Keep on keeping on.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses

Hey everybody. Thanx so much for your concern. Some of you know that I have had a rough time lately. All self induced because of the perception I had about life. I’ve changed some things, a lot of things matter of fact, here as of late, but I KNOW I need a booster or something. I’ve been talking about it for a couple of months now. I just didn’t do anything about it. I just want to say that most of you are right. If you think you need a booster or another treatment, you do need it. I shouldn’t have waited this long, but I had a lot to do. Now I still have a lot to do, but I will get to where I need to go and get a booster as fast as I can. looks like I can pull it off by next weekend. I have a new job that fits perfectly with what I want to accomplish in the next few years. I can’t believe how lucky I am sometimes. The guy I work for is cool about Ibogaine and is willing to let me take a few days off when I need to. My plan is to kick ass for the rest of this week and all of next week, get paid and head for Bwitiland. Aint it a shame we have to go to such lenghts to get a booster? I could go get a script for 60 mgs a day of methadone tomorrow, but I have to put a lot of things in a row to get a mmmmmmmmm lets see……… a 4mg per kg booster. That shit aint right. We ought to be able to get Ibogaine from our doctors anytime wee need it. We can’t sooooooo, what the fuck, I like it underground, it’s cooler there, in more ways than one. Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 6:53:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wishing you a wonderful journey full of understanding and love,…we are awakening.Candle will be lit here downunder.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:50:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Such nice caring words ….. thanks Tink ……….. I’m excited about this ………… sjonny    >From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:42:58 -0400 > >Tranquillo,Papi…You’ll be fine!! >There are more people than you know sending you love and support. >It’ll be amazing, no matter what. If you get the chance to, try and >relax a little bit. The more relaxed, the less stress you bring into >it, or that’s what I’ve found. It’s different for everyone, but it >can’t hurt! >Love and more love! >tink > >On 6/30/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank You , it means a lot to me as I’m quite concerned about the whole > > process , the unknown beckons ………………btw; Tommorow = Tomorrow > > …………. sorry , I’m neurotic about spelling – my bad ! – Luck and > > love returned to you …. sjonny !! > > > > > > > > >From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar> > > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > > >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:02:02 -0300 > > > > > >Luck, Love, > > >good journey. > > > > > >gdc > > > > > > > > >///maybe some synch with this: > > >http://www.e-sheep.com/delta/heartofthesun/index.html /// > > > > > > > > > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > From: Sjonnygee . > > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:52 AM > > > Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > > > > > > > > > Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to > > take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down > > to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m > > through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack > > out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish > > me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. > > sjonny. > > > > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: > > http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: > > http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > >
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:44:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’d love that Tink – anytime after midday Saturday ………….thanks babe ! – Appreciated .. !!    >From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:24:49 -0400 > >Bwiti love and happy trailers to you!!! >I’ll light a candle and send you love and serenity >tink > >On 6/30/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote: > > > > Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take > > Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my > > providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through > > it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of > > my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck > > is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny. > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: > > http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > >
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:42:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tranquillo,Papi…You’ll be fine!!
There are more people than you know sending you love and support.
It’ll be amazing, no matter what. If you get the chance to, try and
relax a little bit. The more relaxed, the less stress you bring into
it, or that’s what I’ve found. It’s different for everyone, but it
can’t hurt!
Love and more love!
tink

On 6/30/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:02:02 -0300

Luck, Love,
good journey.

gdc

///maybe some synch with this:
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From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:29:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank You , it means a lot to me as I’m quite concerned about the whole process , the unknown beckons ………………btw; Tommorow = Tomorrow …………. sorry , I’m neurotic about spelling – my bad ! – Luck and love returned to you …. sjonny !!
>From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:02:02 -0300 > >Luck, Love, >good journey. > >gdc > > >///maybe some synch with this: >http://www.e-sheep.com/delta/heartofthesun/index.html /// > > > > —– Original Message —– > From: Sjonnygee . > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:52 AM > Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > > > Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny. > /]=———————————————————————=[\ [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] \]=———————————————————————=[/
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:24:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bwiti love and happy trailers to you!!!
I’ll light a candle and send you love and serenity
tink

On 6/30/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take
Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my
providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through
it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of
my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck
is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: OT[sacred-union-network] Looks Like EU Out Maneuvered the U.S
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:23:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: sacred-union-network@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sacred-union-network@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k l
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 4:52 a.m.
To: 1-Precious Prill Circle
Subject: [sacred-union-network] Looks Like EU Out Maneuvered the U.S

Looks Like EU Out Maneuvered the U.S.

Published on 6/26/2005
by Healthy News Service
http://healthy.net/scr/news.asp?Id=7743

International trade regulations for vitamin and
mineral supplements are scheduled for finalization in
July 2005. These could have been modeled after the
lenient United States’ approach. However, retracing
events of the last fifteen years reveals how the EU
tenaciously fought the U.S. every step of the way to
emerge victorious in getting their restrictive rules
as the international standard.
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For three years I have been compiling information in
an attempt to understand the controversy over the
Codex Draft Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food
Supplements (the Guidelines). Gaining insight into the
different perspectives wasn’t enough to explain why
this international document related to dietary
supplements was so important and the motivation behind
the tenacity of some parties to get their way.

Then I learned a key fact that made so many other
facts fall into place. The European Union (EU) is
close to implementing an EU Pharmaceuticals Directive,
which takes the position that anything that changes or
enhances human physiology needs to be controlled as a
medicinal product. This includes items that might
prevent disease. Stop and consider the vast range of
what this covers. The EU has a powerful agenda at
stake with this Directive.

I had been comparing the Codex Guidelines and the EU
Food Supplements Directive and trying to understand
why it was so important to the EU that these be
similar. Only when I stepped back and placed these
documents within a larger context that included the EU
Pharmaceuticals Directive did I grasp the
significance.

Only then did the very short “positive list” of
vitamins and minerals allowed by the EU Food
Supplements Directive make sense. In EU countries,
with so many dietary supplements regulated as
medicinal products under the strict definition in the
EU Pharmaceuticals Directive, there would be very few
nutrients left over to be regulated by the EU Food
Supplements Directive, and these would need to be at
very low, ineffective dosage levels. Any supplement
dosage high enough to benefit a human being would
shift that product into the drug category.

Place this information in the context of the Codex
Alimentarius, which provides food-related
international trade standards that all countries can
be forced to adopt through the enforcement powers of
the World Trade Organization (WTO). You can see why it
was vital to the EU that the Codex Guidelines be in
alignment with the EU Food Supplements Directive. You
can understand why the EU representative was motivated
to fight so vigorously to add “Food” to the
Guidelines’ title and keep out any mention that
vitamins and minerals might have any health benefits.
And why he was particularly fervent to block any
mention that vitamins and minerals could prevent
disease.

If the Codex Guidelines had ended up lenient, there
would be the potential that international
harmonization could force the EU to give up its strict
regional control of maintaining low levels of vitamin
and mineral supplements as food and higher levels as
drugs. To protect its interests the EU must keep the
Guidelines and other Codex standards restrictive and
in alignment with its Directives.

With this new understanding in mind, I retraced the
history of the development of the Codex Guidelines
looking for signs of a EU’s strategy. I found that the
idea to control dietary supplements had been first
openly discussed at the 1988 session of an EU
country-based Codex committee, the Codex Committee on
Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses
(CCNFSDU). Through the years, the EU representative to
this committee kept successfully positioning the
developing EU Food Supplements Directive ideas as core
elements of the Codex Guidelines. The EU
representative made a big issue of the fact that he
was speaking for fifteen countries. This large EU
block of “votes” in the CCNFSDU and other Codex
sessions worked.

Where was the U.S. as this unfolded? CCNFSDU reports
show that initially the U.S. protested the regulation
of dietary supplements as inconsistent with U.S.
national regulations. The U.S. said that regulation
would unnecessarily restrict consumer access to
dietary supplements. When this did not work, the U.S.
did not, however, propose an alternative agenda.

Rather, the FDA-led U.S. delegation constantly
compromised its views and ended up accepting what the
EU wanted. In fairness, it should be pointed out that
the EU had the benefit of a block of “votes” and the
sympathetic CCNFSDU Chair from Germany (an EU country)
declaring group consensus (approval) for whatever the
EU supported.

What could the U.S. have proposed? Like the EU, the
U.S. has a definition for health-enhancing products
that can designate them as drugs. However, in the
early 1990s the U.S. Dietary Supplement Health and
Education Act (DSHEA) was passed. It designated
vitamins, minerals, herbs, and many other dietary
supplements as food, rather than drugs. There is no
indication that any individual, group, or U.S.
government entity felt motivated to encourage the rest
of the world to follow suit. Therefore, without
significant opposition, a commitment to prevail and
effective use of the Codex system were powerful keys
to success for the EU agenda.

With all of this in mind, take a fresh look at the
various sections of the Codex Guidelines to see just
how successful the EU has been.

The document is titled Codex Draft Guidelines for
Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements.
The Preamble states that a normal diet provides all
the nutrients you need. There is no mention that
supplemental nutrition can enhance health and prevent
disease–even in the face of a World Health
Organization (WHO) publication documenting these
facts. And the WHO is a parent organization of the
Codex Alimentarius.

We do not know which vitamins and minerals will be
allowed, but numerous restrictive criteria are
included.

We do not know what dosage levels will be allowed, but
several layers of options for lowering them are
available.

We do not know exactly how these unknowns will be
determined or who will have the power to make these
decisions, but sympathetic FAO/WHO bodies have been
set up to produce results preferred by the EU.
In short, while we know the Codex Guidelines will be
restrictive, we do not actually know what this
document will specifically allow. And yet the
Guidelines document is on the agenda for finalization
by the Codex Alimentarius Commission at the July 4-9,
2005, session in Rome.

Once the Guidelines are finalized–whether in July
2005 or at some future date–will the EU be satisfied
to let the U.S. be an isolated haven that allows
unrestricted consumer access to high potency dietary
supplements? Probably not. Understandably, the EU will
want to secure its powerful regional position and will
most likely look to removing any influence from the
lenient U.S. DSHEA law. This could be done very
readily by having an EU country file a trade dispute
with the WTO against the U.S., naming something
related to the differences between Codex and U.S.
supplement regulations. The WTO Dispute Settlement
Panel would compare the restrictive Codex Guidelines
and the lenient U.S. DSHEA regulations looking for an
unfair trade advantage and/or non-harmonization with
international trade standards. Since the WTO
historically makes decisions that will level the trade
playing field, there would be a high probability that
the WTO would rule against the U.S. and direct the
U.S. to revise DSHEA to match the Codex Guidelines.
And the U.S. would have to pay an expensive trade
sanction every year until it knuckled under and
changed DSHEA. Could the U.S. just refuse to pay? It
may take years, but the WTO keeps after a losing
country until it does what the WTO demands.
Historically, the U.S. has changed its laws.

Should this happen, and DSHEA regulations were
modified to be as restrictive as the Codex Guidelines
are ultimately expected to be, would you be able to
continue to freely purchase the wide range of dietary
supplements at your local health food store? Based on
what is already happening in several European
countries, probably not. Could the WTO really use
economics to pressure the U.S. to its will? A review
of trade agreements signed by the U.S. shows that it
definitely could.

What can be done to protect your interests? Is it too
late? There aren’t any easy answers. Advocacy groups
in the U.S have tried for years, but they have
consistently found it difficult to generate concern.
Americans have confidence in their government’s
ability to protect their rights and freedoms. They
cannot believe that there are outside organizations
(like the WTO) with more power than the U.S.
government. Yet, my research has verified that the WTO
has forced our country to change U.S. laws in the
past.

I am sharing the facts I have uncovered in hopes that
you will be better informed and more vigilant for
positive actions to protect health freedoms in the
U.S., particularly from the power of outside trade
regulations. Remember the strong motivation of many
other countries to restrict access to health-enhancing
options, such as dietary supplements. These countries
have become skilled in using international
organizations to support their preferences. You can
increase awareness of this serious matter by talking
about this with your friends and colleagues. If you
hear about advocacy campaigns for protecting health
freedoms, listen. If you agree with their ideas,
support what they are suggesting. Complacency supports
and encourages those working to undermine the current
heath freedoms in the U.S.

——————————————————-

Related Documents for your reference:

. Codex Draft Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food
Supplements

. EU Pharmaceuticals Directive
. EU Pharmaceuticals Directive 2004 Revisions

. EU Food Supplements Directive

. WTO explanation about Standards and Safety
Agreements — SPS and TBT — and identification of
Codex Alimentarius as source for food standards
. Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and
Phytosanitary Measures (SPS)
. Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade (TBT)
. WTO Dispute Settlement Procedure

. FAO/WHO Nutrient Risk Assessment Project
. WHO “Diet, Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic
Diseases”

. Codex Committee on General Principles 13th Session
(Item 50 on page 7) as “SPS does not differentiate
between the three terms — ‘standards’, ‘guidelines’,
and ‘recommendations’.”

. Link to screen with CCNFSDU and CAC session reports
related to the Codex Guidelines .

. U.S. Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of
1994

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Suzan Walter, president of the American Holistic
Health Association, researched how the Codex
Alimentarius and the World Trade Organization function
and applied this information to track the potential
impact of the document Codex Guidelines for Vitamin
and Mineral Food Supplements. She attended the Codex
Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary
Uses sessions as an observer in 2002, 2003, and 2004
and continues working to try to validate true facts in
the face of conflicting information being presented by
opposing groups. Suzan created an educational website
codexinfo.org to explain these matters to the U.S.
public and offer a variety of points of view. If you
would like to be alerted when new information is
posted at codexinfo.org, e-mail your name and e-mail
address to codex@ahha.org.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:23:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

….
And then there’s IRONING!!!!! Which is not part of my vocab. Crease-free is.
Anywayyyyyyy all the best – again I sooooooo envious!!!!
I’m ok now, installed a new graphics card and I can play DOOM 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG it’s amazing!! I’ll never be seen again…..
Til later
Luff and may the Iboga God’s treat you real nice ;o)
KIRK

Thanks mate , yeah – there’s irony and then there’s Irony!……… catch ya later irv!
>From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:00:17 -0700 > >Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What bullshit that statement is. If I could get some Ibo, Id do it yesterday. >Keep me posted. > > Irv > —– Original Message —– > From: Sjonnygee . > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM > Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything ! > > > Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny. > /]=———————————————————————=[\ [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] \]=———————————————————————=[/
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:16:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

same from here,if you see an ancestor , say “hi” for me.;)

Best,

Sara

Luck, Love,
good journey.

gdc

///maybe some synch with this:
http://www.e-sheep.com/delta/heartofthesun/index.html ///

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to
take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going
down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until
I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone
and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who
wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this
list …….. sjonny.
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From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 3:02:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luck, Love,
good journey.

gdc

///maybe some synch with this:
http://www.e-sheep.com/delta/heartofthesun/index.html ///

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:24:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Many thanks Jerry , I really appreciate whatever positive thoughts you wish me ! ….. sjonny

>From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Sjonnygee, Good luck! My prayers are with you. God
>Bless, Jerry
>
>— irv cutler <irvcutler@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What
> > bullshit that statement is. If I could get some Ibo,
> > Id do it yesterday.
> > Keep me posted.
> >
> >       Irv
> >   —– Original Message —–
> >   From: Sjonnygee .
> >   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM
> >   Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
> >
> >
> >   Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it
> > , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first
> > time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my
> > providers place in London tommorow night and stay
> > there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a
> > little closer to having methadone and smack out of
> > my life and start actually living again – Anybody
> > who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I
> > owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
> >
> >
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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !#2
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:13:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So, was I gotta do? Catch a flight to Bwiti land? Seems so rediculous. Guess the government(s) KNOW, if we little folk awaken, then all their financial bulshit and control will be in jeapordy. To hell with God. So they seem to feel.
Im 52. Dont thins I will see a great chane in my lifetime.
Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

Thanks mate , yeah – there’s irony and then there’s Irony!……… catch ya later irv!

>From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:00:17 -0700
>
>Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What bullshit that statement is. If I could get some Ibo, Id do it yesterday.
>Keep me posted.
>
>       Irv
>   —– Original Message —–
>   From: Sjonnygee .
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM
>   Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>
>
>   Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] UK ibogaine article
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:12:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/the_north_east/archive/2005/04/14/Ab6l62.f
eat.html

First published on Thursday 14 April 2005:

‘It was like watching a movie of my past’

Extracted from the rootbark of an African plant used in tribal rituals,
ibogaine takes users on a mind-altering journey in which they face their own fears.
Paul Willis reports on a radical new treatment for drug addiction.

ALTHOUGH the details of Louise Young’s life make for shocking reading, for
those used to working with drug addicts, they have a depressingly familiar ring.

Louise, from Brotton, near Saltburn, was just 12 years old when she started
using heroin. Beset by family problems and caught up in a relationship with a
drug dealer boyfriend five years her senior, Louise was a lost soul. Between
bouts of pickpocketing and shoplifting to feed her £50 a day habit, Louise
hardly found time for school or her family.

Before long she was living in crack houses in Middlesbrough, stealing, doing
whatever she had to in order to survive and, by her own admission, out of
control.

“Through the drugs I was more violent than anything else,” she says. “I think
I was very angry at the world and that came out when I was on heroin.”

A short stint in prison for an assault on a girl in a children’s home and a
move to London didn’t change things and, as Louise drifted from hostels to
crashing on friend’s floors, she seemed destined to become just another statistic.

But then, two years ago, something extraordinary happened. At a friend’s
health shop in London she bumped into Edward Conn. The pair soon started seeing
one another and Edward, who had had his own issues with drugs in the past, heard
about Louise’s heroin habit.

He told her about a treatment clinic for drug addiction he had set up using
an unlicensed drug called ibogaine. Ibogaine is a psychoactive alkaloid derived
from the rootbark of an African plant called iboga.

Iboga has been used for hundreds, if not thousands, of years by tribes in The
Gabon, in central Africa, as part of their social and religious rituals.

In recent years, it has been adopted in the West as a radical, if largely
unknown, treatment for drug and alcohol dependency.

But for Louise, her own immediate concerns and the destructive cycle of
addiction she was caught in meant that, at first, she was not much interested in a
cure, let alone one as crackpot-sounding as an African tribal drug.

She says: “My over-riding concern at the time was getting a roof over my head
and my next fix. I think I was afraid of getting better. For nearly ten years
heroin had been my life and it was really scary to imagine what I’d do
without the drug.”

Not long after meeting Edward, Louise’s needle use led to an abscess which
needed 12 operations and nearly resulted in her losing her hand.

“I was in hospital a long time and not well at all through the drugs,” she
says. “I was very wary of trusting anyone, but Edward came to visit me a lot and
little by little he began to win me over.”

Despite continued reservations, Louise, who is now 22, decided to try
ibogaine. Edward, however, was reluctant about giving the treatment to his girlfriend.

The few scientific studies conducted with the drug appear to suggest that a
single dose has the ability to remove the symptoms of drug withdrawal and
reduce drug-craving for a period of time after it has been taken. Taken in large
doses it produces a dream-like state lasting for hours and, during these
trances, users often describe witnessing scenes from their own past.

It is widely believed the drug’s psychoactive properties help people
understand and resolve the issues behind their addictive behaviour.

Last year, Edward was featured in a BBC documentary helping film maker David
Scott get off methadone. He has been treating people with ibogaine for four
years.

But this was the first time he considered administering the treatment to
someone so close to him.

Edward, 34, says: “I had a lot of resistance to it because of my emotional
involvement with Louise. Here was someone I was in a very rich relationship with
and who I was starting to get to know, and the idea of unlocking her psyche
actually scared me quite a lot.”

Louise’s first treatment with ibogaine was unsuccessful. Her father had
recently died and, after taking the drug, she was confronted with images of him. “I
saw his eyes vividly in front of me,” she says. “I couldn’t really deal with
that emotionally so I went back to heroin, probably to block out the pain.”

Despite this setback, a few months later Louise plucked up the courage to
give the treatment a second chance and, under the watchful eye of Edward, she
spent 24 hours under the effects of the drug.

Many of the accounts of those who have taken ibogaine include seeing vivid
hallucinations involving real scenes from the person’s past. Tribal members
taking part in rituals involving the iboga plant often describe being visited by
spirits from the forest.

“It was like watching an old movie reel of your past,” Louise says. “I saw
lots of scenes from my childhood, scenes where I was abused. And, for the first
time, I could make sense of them. That is, I understood what had happened to
me and I understood why those people had done it. I wasn’t afraid because I
could talk about it with Edward as I was seeing it.”

Later, during the treatment, Louise vomited, a common side-effect. “I was
sick, but I didn’t feel nauseous. It was more like I was getting rid of all the
negative emotions.”

That was 18 months ago and Louise hasn’t touched heroin since. After spending
half her life under the control of the drug she has finally been able to
reclaim her life. And though she says the ibogaine hasn’t taken away the
temptation to use heroin, it has helped put her drug use into context.

Edward, too, is careful to explain that ibogaine is not a one-hit cure for
addiction, but is only effective as part of a long-term course of treatment
which also includes counselling and therapy.

He says: “Ibogaine takes away your need for the drug for a few months but
when it comes to examining the cause of your addictive behaviour, you’re talking
about a lot of therapy. I think what ibogaine does as much as anything is
provide addicts with the will to get better.”

Despite the apparently miraculous results that ibogaine seems to offer,
health authorities around the world are stalling over its development as a licensed
drug. Although it was licensed for trials in the US in the early 1990s, these
were discontinued. In the UK it is classed as an unlicensed experimental
medication. It is not an offence to possess ibogaine, but distributing it may be
breaking the law, although this is a grey area.

Edward’s own treatment centre is one of only three in the UK and is the only
one to provide a full holistic service. The main stumbling block seems to be
the hallucinogenic properties of the drug.

“It is a totally revolutionary way of treating addiction and I think
governments have a lot of difficulty getting their minds round that,” he says.

Many in the West wrongly assume that the use of mind-altering drugs is a
modern trend. In fact, right back to the ancients, civilisations from as far apart
as Siberia and South America have been experimenting with drugs.

It is not inconceivable that, at the same time as cultures in Asia were first
learning to get high on the opium flower (from which heroin is produced), the
shamans of Africa were themselves beginning to understand the unique effects
of the iboga plant.

It is ironic that our desire to seek out mind-altering states provides both
the cause and a potential solution to the blight of drug addiction.

For Louise at least this seems to ring true. She is now taking the first
tentative steps towards putting her life back together, including enroling on a
college course.

She says: “It’s great to just wake up in the morning and feel happy. That’s
enough for me at the moment.”

From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:09:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good luck, Too bad we can’t get Bush and all his SS agents to try Ibo.If they could only wake up!
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:08:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sjonnygee, Good luck! My prayers are with you. God
Bless, Jerry

— irv cutler <irvcutler@charter.net> wrote:

Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What
bullshit that statement is. If I could get some Ibo,
Id do it yesterday.
Keep me posted.

Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:06:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So sad and SO TRUE! The US govt. would rather incarcerate souls in the name of Jesus than help them. God help this govt.
Best of luck with your niece. I’ve been an H addict over 35 yrs.If I can get ahold of some Ibo, Ill try it. I have NOTHING to lose.
Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: IWNJ@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

Best of luck and please, please keep us posted.

My niece is doing H and I am at wits end to try and find a solution to no avail.

The U.S. gov. finds H users financially viable, therefore, tightened the availability of Ibo to the masses.

Oy vey!

Iris

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 1:51:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Nick , very much !! …… Ed is someone who has helped me well beyond the bounds of expectation – extraordinarily so – enough said !! ……………… sjonny.

>From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
>Reply-To: <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
>To: <sjonnygee@msn.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:13:46 +0100
>
>Good luck to you, Sjonny! If you’re going with Ed Conn he is a good guy. I
>wish you a great experience.
>
>with love
>
>Nick Sandberg
>   —–Original Message—–
>   From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
>   Sent: 30 June 2005 15:53
>   To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>   Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>
>
>   Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take
>Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my
>providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through
>it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of
>my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck
>is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: IWNJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 12:40:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Best of luck and please, please keep us posted.

My niece is doing H and I am at wits end to try and find a solution to no avail.

The U.S. gov. finds H users financially viable, therefore, tightened the availability of Ibo to the masses.

Oy vey!

Iris

From: IWNJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 12:19:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Best of luck and please, please keep us posted.

My niece is doing H and I am at wits end to try and find a solution to no avail.

The U.S. gov. finds H users financially viable, therefore, tightened the availability of Ibo to the masses.

Oy vey!

Iris

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 11:53:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>btw, how can I experience Ibo for cheap? >and self administer   That depends whereabouts in the world you live Mauro , there’s people on this list who know a lot more than I do – ask some more……………. cheers by the way !!!!

>From: Mauro Solorzano <msolorza@mac.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:32:42 -0400
>
>  wish you luck.
>
>Sincerely,
>Mauro.
>btw, how can I experience Ibo for cheap?
>and self administer
>
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 11:49:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks mate , yeah – there’s irony and then there’s Irony!……… catch ya later irv!

From: Mauro Solorzano <msolorza@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 11:32:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wish you luck.

Sincerely,
Mauro.
btw, how can I experience Ibo for cheap?
and self administer
Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 11:00:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good luck my brother.I live in the FREE USA. What bullshit that statement is. If I could get some Ibo, Id do it yesterday.
Keep me posted.

Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: June 30, 2005 at 10:52:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 30, 2005 at 2:05:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bill gates,…Where are you?
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

Rachel, you forgot about the state of the art recording studio in the sound proof wharehouse that was donated by Sony, yea right, well somebody. And the Alex Gray meditation room for artist, with private space for everone to paint in. Just a thought. God I love this. Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 29, 2005 at 11:58:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good luck with that, sounds like you’re going in the right direction, and when you are, the Universe (or whatever you want to call it) helps you all the way.
And from it all, I’m learning heaps too. Thanks for that J
Looking forward to hearing about it.
Looking even more forward to sharing MYYYYY experience lol one day Roger Fink.
One day.
Love to alllllllllllll
Kirk
Ps sorry bout earlier email, um, was supposed to just go to one person lol och well c’est la Guerre.
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 3:41 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 29, 2005 at 11:40:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] “UK doctors attack demonisation of drugs” and Ecstacy research site
Date: June 29, 2005 at 9:33:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(from inthemix.com.au)

UK doctors attack demonisation of drugs
News courtesy of Skrufff.com

Britain’s leading medical journal the Lancet described illegal drugs as being an ‘undeniable, even routine’ part of many people’s lives this week, and warned that moralistic ‘war on drugs’ style rhetoric is preventing doctors from tackling health related issues properly.

“The Lancet does not endorse illegal drug use but we believe that the cloak of secrecy shrouding those who use illicit substances is the most destructive feature by far of the cultural condemnation of recreational drug use,” the prestigious journal declared in a leader article.

“Discussions framed by moralizing or by adherence to social ideals have little utility in a society of which drug use is an inescapable part.”

The magazine’s comments coincided with a Guardian feature about ‘creator of MDMA’ Dr Alexander Shulgin which highlighted the ‘resurgence in interest in the therapeutic effects of MDMA (ecstasy)’, despite its illegality.

“Successful results have been reported from trials in the use of MDMA on people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, and in the relief of anxiety in patients with terminal cancer,” the paper reported, “It is a return to the spirit of the original use of MDMA: after its synthesis by Shulgin in the late 1960s, its first use was psychotherapy.”

AND

New ecstacy research website launched (Victoria, Australia)
Reported on Thursday, Jun 30, 2005. 08:28 by barkus

The Centre for Youth Drug Studies is pioneering innovative research into understanding the way party drugs, predominantly ecstasy, affect the lives of users. The new website allows punters to have their say and help influence the way drugs are managed in society.

Dr Cameron Duff, who has also led projects on GHB, says “This study is really the first of its kind in this country – we’re moving beyond more conventional approaches to the study of ecstasy to include questions about culture, place and context. We’re really interested in what it means to use ecstasy – how do people who use ecstasy and related drugs make sense of this drug use, and how is this drug use integrated into the other important parts of people’s lives like work, relationships, family, leisure time .”

Its contributions from users, particularly those in the dance music community, who will have the greatest ability to positively affect the research. Cameron says “the research project will stand or fall on the quality of the contributions we get from ecstasy users themselves. This really is a chance for people who feel that they have something interesting to say about ecstasy use, to contribute in a meaningful way. We’re genuinely interested in hearing people’s diverse perspectives. We want to hear from people in their own words telling their own stories’

The aim of gathering information is to reduce the harms associated with using drugs. “’we’re really interested in studying the most significant cultural issues surrounding ecstasy use in Victoria in order to generate more effective prevention and harm reduction programs. It’s all about improving the information we make available to young people so that they can make more informed decisions about their own drug use’

For more information on the research, or to have your say, the new website can be found at http://www.erd-culture.org.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: June 29, 2005 at 9:07:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh, had to laugh at this, reminded me of a time when I was racing around like a lunatic, and for some reason I seemed to think I could walk thru walls etc instead of using doorways. Bruised and confused, why can’t I? That wall doesn’t exist! It’s an illusion! How do I convince my body of this? Ohhh it’s an illusion too!! Damn.
Love you
Will try and be here at your 11 ish…………if I;m not here I will leave a message … probly just gone to pick zoe up from school.
Blocked my first ever msn contact today. Red…. Where Laws was yesterday.. she was here talking to him this morning…… he was being rude and very abusive so people like that don’t belong on my list. He just lost three friends with that one. I never really liked this guy… but put up with cos of laws n Justin… thought there must have been something there…….nope I was right about my feelings. He’s just an immature prat who needs to grow up and stop whining.
Anywayyyy you didn’t really wanna hear that did ya? Lol tough!! Had to “whine” to someone… and that’s my interpretation of immature…
Luff luff
Bwiti hugs
Kirk xxxxxxxx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]  Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 7:41 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Reality Versus Imagination and Illusion By Remez Sasson  The five senses make us feel that the world is real. Seeing the solidity of the objects around us, feeling the impact of the senses, it is hard to deny the validity of what we see. Everything looks real and we never stop to question this reality.  The mind is attached to the five senses and accepts everything as real without questioning. When we bump into a table or a wall and we feel pain, it is difficult to say that we are imagining it. When we see with our eyes, hear sounds, smell, or when we feel heat or coldness, we accept these sense impressions as real.  Some say that the world is an illusion, Maya in Eastern terminology. Can we accept this when everything looks so real? Can we regard the world as imagination?  We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world, which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses and the mind the world does not exist for us.  If we say that a real thing is something that always exist with no gaps, then the outside world is not real. There are times besides sleep, when we are so busy that we are not conscious of what is going on around us. When there are no sensory sensations, as while being in a floating tank, or when in deep meditation, we are still conscious, but not of the world. This means that sometimes we are conscious of the world and sometimes we are not.  After we wake up from sleep, or get out of deep meditation and return to ordinary consciousness, we feel that there was a gap in our consciousness of the outside world. There was no world at that time. If we endeavor to pay attention to our consciousness we will come to the conclusion that the outside world comes and go, while the awareness of our inner consciousness never wavers.  The world exists for us only when the senses and mind are directed towards it, and cease to exist for us the moment we silence the senses and mind. During deep sleep we do not experience the world because the senses are not active. Can you prove the reality of the world while you are deeply asleep? When you wake up from sleep other people may tell you that the world existed, but can you prove that these people existed while you were asleep?  After waking up we may invent all kinds of theories to prove the realty of the world. Yet, these are only mental theories. During sleep it was non-existent for us. The world disappeared together with time.  During sleep dreams seem very real, but upon awakening we realize that they were just dreams. So it is with this world we call reality. It is possible to wake from it too. Sri Ramana Maharshi, the great Indian sage, has said that the difference between a dream while sleeping and the dream we call wakefulness is only of duration, one short and the other one long.  Further to the above, each person interprets and relates to other people’s behavior, words and attitudes in a different way, according to the contents of his subconscious mind. No one’s world is like another. Again, we see illusion at work. A world is created, based on our interpretation of what we see hear and sense.  Mind and thoughts create the world Thoughts arise and we look at them. The same thoughts tend to arise again and again. If we let this process continue, it goes on incessantly. These thoughts make us to behave, expect, talk and act in a certain personalized way, and thus cause the people we come in contact with, to treat us and relate to us in a certain manner.  We usually continue with the same way of thinking, and live the same kind of life each day, whether we like it or not. These thoughts shape our circumstances and relationships. It is like watching the same movie over and over again. If we want to watch a different movie we have to change the reel or cassette. This happens by changing our thoughts. This is how creative visualization works, and there is nothing supernatural about this.  The world we experience, and the life we live are actually made from the thoughts we project. The mind creates a world of illusion. By changing our thoughts, we change the illusion and experience a different reality. We do not create a world, only an illusion that looks real. No unusual power is involved here. We are living in Maya and are changing the Maya.  When we are able to still the mind and the senses, our consciousness seems to shift into a new dimension. Actually it is there all the time, only that the mind makes us think otherwise. When there are no thoughts in the mind, the world we know and believe is real, loses its reality. We become conscious of the world beyond the mind and illusions.  Waking up from illusion We can wake up completely, understand and become conscious of the illusion of Maya, and live, as we really are, as a pure, formless, beginning-less and endless consciousness. Due to illusion it seems as if we are all separated, having individual selves and each living a different life. Even when we wake up from Maya, its play may go on. We continue to see and experience it, yet it is of no concern to us anymore. Outwardly we may continue to live our life in the same manner, but we are really awake.  It is like a movie show. A person watching a movie gets so involved with the characters and with what happens on the screen. He may become happy or sad with the heroes, gets depressed, shouts or laughs.  If at a particular moment he decides to stop watching the screen and manages to withdraw his attention from the movie, he gets snapped out of the illusion the movie creates. The projecting machine will go on projecting images on the screen, but he knows that it is only light projected through the film onto the screen. What is seen on the screen is not real, but yet it is there. He may watch the movie, or he may decide to close his eyes and ears and stop looking at the screen.  Have you ever watched a movie, when at some point the reel got stuck or there was a power failure? What happens to you when you watch an interesting, absorbing film on the television and then suddenly there are commercials? You are snapped out of the illusion to the world around you. When you are sleeping and dreaming, and someone wakes you up, you feel thrown out of one world to a different one. It is the same in the life we call reality. It is possible to wake up from it.  One who has managed to still his mind and senses through proper training, may go on living and acting in the world like the person in the cinema hall, who is no longer interested in the movie. He learns how to get out of the illusion and wake up. If he is no more a slave to illusion and dreams, he is free. He sees everything as it really is. Contrary to what you might think, such a person functions in his daily life in a better way, is stronger, happier, very practical and free from worry.  In the East, metaphors are used in order to demonstrate what illusion is in relation to Reality. A jewel made of gold may be called an earring or a necklace, but actually it is only gold. Before it became a jewel and after it is melted it is only gold. Clay is shaped into vessels such as plates, cups, or vases, but they are only clay.  Due to convenience of speech we call these objects made of gold or clay by many names, but they are really only clay or gold. Everything in existence is “made” from the Original Substance, and is not a “real” thing standing by itself, exactly as in the above examples. Nothing has a reality of its own.  A mirage is not real, but yet we see it. A dream taking place while sleeping is not real, yet we experience it during the time of the dream as a reality. A hologram looks 3D, while it is actually flat.  In the East, one of the metaphors of explaining reality and illusion is that of the rope and the snake. In the dark we may see a rope and mistake it for a snake. When there is enough light we realize that it was only a rope, and the snake disappears. It is only due to some kind of illusion that we see a world. Everything is in the mind.
Namaste
Matthew
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 29, 2005 at 5:08:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, great impression you’ve made Tink, Good work and good on you! I gotta admit to a bit of jelousy, as I keep thinking I’d like to take some classes at some point- I just haven’t found many of those certain “yeah, I REALLY wanna do some schooling” feelings in me yet at this point, more just idle dreaming and fantasizing about it. Each time I start thinking “hey, this might be a good idea,” I remember that I’m already writing and publishing and might not get what I want out of the sorts of classes I’m interested in, in terms of furthering my money-making skills. Then again, I’d love to undertake some studies of philosophy and other similar thing- as well as astronomy-type stuff, particularly since my ibogaine voyages, as I’m extremely intrigued by all the space imagery I keep getting each time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: “Anne Parfitt” <anne@gmavt.net>; <ibogaine@mindvox.com>; “Dimitri Mugianis” <dimitrimugianis@yahoo.com>; <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>; “cparfitt” <cparfitt@maine.rr.com>; “Deborah Terreson” <foodandart@comcast.net>; “Ed Shepard” <edwardshepard@gmail.com>; “hannah parfitt” <hp333@hotmail.com>; <redv@adelphia.com>; “Ian Parfitt” <duffley@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

I got my report card, and, after having myself worked into a righteous
tizzy, here’s what the powers that be had to say…I just thought I’d
share something positive!!
love to you all…
tink

FACULTY TRANSCRIPT EVALUATION
Adult Degree Program Vermont College/Union Institute and University
Student: Tink R. Bell
Seminar/Seminar Advisor: “Knowing Where You Are” -Michael Sherman
Semester Study- title: “Multiple Me: Myself In Words And Art”
Advisor: Geof Hewitt
Academic Areas: Writing, Literature, Anthropology, Geography, History

In this, her first semester in the Adult Degree Program, Sarah’s
goals were to develope a stronger voice in her writing, to gain a
clearer picture of herself as a creative artist, and to formulate a
sense of where her future studies in the Adult Degree Program might
take her. She accomplished this by reading twenty books and
submitting more than eighty pages of poetry and prose. In her
semester study plan, Sarah acknowledged that she was unsure of the
exact form her study might take and she may have surprised herself by
focusing almost exclusively on writing.
Sarah is a gifted writer. In addition to a strong command of the
convetions of written English, she brings with her a wealth of
experience from a life that has seen more than it’s fair share of
turmoil. Remarkably, she does not attempt, in her writing, to justify
her past but instead to explore, in fictional mode, the attitudes and
events that seems to have kept her in a constant state of jeopardy. A
reader of Sarah’s work quickly recognizes that she know’s of what she
speaks: one cannot seperate fiction from autobiography in the writing
Sarah submitted this semester, yet the work is unquestionably
fictional in it’s presentation and tone. [It’s non fction, but
whatever makes Mr. Hewitt feel better-tink]
Characterization, especially that of the protagonist, is
three-dimensional, plot and settings are engaging throughout, and
dialogue varies appropriately, giving each character a unique voice.
Until the final packet, sarah’s work was submitted in a timelt
fashion and always exceeded minimum requirements. She was an active
and welcome contributor to advisee groupdiscussions, and her insights
often brought the entire group up to a higher level of understanding
of the subject under discussion.
Sarah’s seminar advisor, Michael Sherman, writes: “participants
read worls on cartography, anthropology, history, and memoir to
examine relationships between self and surroundings. They created and
explained maps of a familiar place; did a field study of a little
community; wrote on some aspect of local history; and wrote an essay
about or inspired by Annie Dillard’s ‘An American Childhood’. Sarah
participated enthusiastically. Her work was always creative,
intelligent, engaged, and engaging. She consistantly far exceeded the
minimum requirements for participation, length, and effort.”
This was an unusually successful first semester. Sarah quickly
adapted to the ADP commmunity, participating fully in all aspects of
curricular and extracurricular activities. Working with her was
pleasure!
This was creditable learning experience.

Geof Hewitt, Faculty Advisor, 19 June, 2005

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses
Date: June 29, 2005 at 4:57:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

meaning encouraging Big Randy not to
wait “too long” if follow-up on his jungle journeying is what is
called for at this moment in the breathing cycle of addiction
interruption.<

From what I guess I can consider ever more personal experience, I highly “second that” this suggestion Randy. Do so as soon as you can, if you’re really feeling like you could use one. THAT IS THE TIME TO DO IT! Right then, not waiting any longer, no putting it off. If you are a really feeling urges or feelings that you feel ibogaine would help you deal with, GET AHOLD OF SOME AND DO IT NOW. Do NOT put it off any longer than you absolutely necessary. Just in my layman’s opinion of course.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote

oh kirk ya giggling kiwi… glad I gave ya a good hoot.

but there’s no americano-lingo colloquial mystery here… just word
play… rooster rhymes with booster, and “bust a goose” just sounded
(in my twisted mind) like an appropriate compression of “bust a move”
and “don’t be a silly goose” … meaning encouraging Big Randy not to
wait “too long” if follow-up on his jungle journeying is what is
called for at this moment in the breathing cycle of addiction
interruption.

We picked up the new Tokion magazine with “The Fix” story on TIP (“The
Ibogaine Project”) yesterday. Dim lighting, film noirish, great
photos, Howard looking all Einsteinish, way to go Loesser & Wildman
(writer and photographer for the story). love from the gof, lehcaR

—
“Ibogaine is not, and never will be, a recreational drug.” Eric Taub

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] reality versus imagination and illusion
Date: June 29, 2005 at 4:12:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This was an interesting read. I like to relate these types of thoughts to the physiological slavery most of us experience…especially here in the usa. We are taught from when we are very young about the rules and laws and pledges of allegiances..ect. We are taught in high school that we must be economically viable and then in college we are prepared for life in a cubical. All original thoughts are “rebellious” and categorized as drug induced ignorance of the “real” world.

A man in Sacramento Ca was arrested for putting coins in other peoples parking meters a year or so ago……it cost the county $30,000 that they usually would have gotten for parking fines.

I say Challenge everything…..rail against the walls of reason……fuck authority….lets listen to ourselves for once.

Thanks for this post,

-Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:41 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Reality Versus Imagination and Illusion
By Remez Sasson

The five senses make us feel that the world is real. Seeing the
solidity of the objects around us, feeling the impact of the senses,
it is hard to deny the validity of what we see. Everything looks
real and we never stop to question this reality.

The mind is attached to the five senses and accepts everything as
real without questioning. When we bump into a table or a wall and we
feel pain, it is difficult to say that we are imagining it. When we
see with our eyes, hear sounds, smell, or when we feel heat or
coldness, we accept these sense impressions as real.

Some say that the world is an illusion, Maya in Eastern terminology.
Can we accept this when everything looks so real? Can we regard the
world as imagination?

We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world,
which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses
and the mind the world does not exist for us.

If we say that a real thing is something that always exist with no
gaps, then the outside world is not real. There are times besides
sleep, when we are so busy that we are not conscious of what is
going on around us. When there are no sensory sensations, as while
being in a floating tank, or when in deep meditation, we are still
conscious, but not of the world. This means that sometimes we are
conscious of the world and sometimes we are not.

After we wake up from sleep, or get out of deep meditation and
return to ordinary consciousness, we feel that there was a gap in
our consciousness of the outside world. There was no world at that
time. If we endeavor to pay attention to our consciousness we will
come to the conclusion that the outside world comes and go, while
the awareness of our inner consciousness never wavers.

The world exists for us only when the senses and mind are directed
towards it, and cease to exist for us the moment we silence the
senses and mind. During deep sleep we do not experience the world
because the senses are not active. Can you prove the reality of the
world while you are deeply asleep? When you wake up from sleep other
people may tell you that the world existed, but can you prove that
these people existed while you were asleep?

After waking up we may invent all kinds of theories to prove the
realty of the world. Yet, these are only mental theories. During
sleep it was non-existent for us. The world disappeared together
with time.

During sleep dreams seem very real, but upon awakening we realize
that they were just dreams. So it is with this world we call
reality. It is possible to wake from it too. Sri Ramana Maharshi,
the great Indian sage, has said that the difference between a dream
while sleeping and the dream we call wakefulness is only of
duration, one short and the other one long.

Further to the above, each person interprets and relates to other
people’s behavior, words and attitudes in a different way, according
to the contents of his subconscious mind. No one’s world is like
another. Again, we see illusion at work. A world is created, based
on our interpretation of what we see hear and sense.

Mind and thoughts create the world
Thoughts arise and we look at them. The same thoughts tend to arise
again and again. If we let this process continue, it goes on
incessantly. These thoughts make us to behave, expect, talk and act
in a certain personalized way, and thus cause the people we come in
contact with, to treat us and relate to us in a certain manner.

We usually continue with the same way of thinking, and live the same
kind of life each day, whether we like it or not. These thoughts
shape our circumstances and relationships. It is like watching the
same movie over and over again. If we want to watch a different
movie we have to change the reel or cassette. This happens by
changing our thoughts. This is how creative visualization works, and
there is nothing supernatural about this.

The world we experience, and the life we live are actually made from
the thoughts we project. The mind creates a world of illusion. By
changing our thoughts, we change the illusion and experience a
different reality. We do not create a world, only an illusion that
looks real. No unusual power is involved here. We are living in Maya
and are changing the Maya.

When we are able to still the mind and the senses, our consciousness
seems to shift into a new dimension. Actually it is there all the
time, only that the mind makes us think otherwise. When there are no
thoughts in the mind, the world we know and believe is real, loses
its reality. We become conscious of the world beyond the mind and
illusions.

Waking up from illusion
We can wake up completely, understand and become conscious of the
illusion of Maya, and live, as we really are, as a pure, formless,
beginning-less and endless consciousness. Due to illusion it seems
as if we are all separated, having individual selves and each living
a different life. Even when we wake up from Maya, its play may go
on. We continue to see and experience it, yet it is of no concern to
us anymore. Outwardly we may continue to live our life in the same
manner, but we are really awake.

It is like a movie show. A person watching a movie gets so involved
with the characters and with what happens on the screen. He may
become happy or sad with the heroes, gets depressed, shouts or
laughs.

If at a particular moment he decides to stop watching the screen and
manages to withdraw his attention from the movie, he gets snapped
out of the illusion the movie creates. The projecting machine will
go on projecting images on the screen, but he knows that it is only
light projected through the film onto the screen. What is seen on
the screen is not real, but yet it is there. He may watch the movie,
or he may decide to close his eyes and ears and stop looking at the
screen.

Have you ever watched a movie, when at some point the reel got stuck
or there was a power failure? What happens to you when you watch an
interesting, absorbing film on the television and then suddenly
there are commercials? You are snapped out of the illusion to the
world around you. When you are sleeping and dreaming, and someone
wakes you up, you feel thrown out of one world to a different one.
It is the same in the life we call reality. It is possible to wake
up from it.

One who has managed to still his mind and senses through proper
training, may go on living and acting in the world like the person
in the cinema hall, who is no longer interested in the movie. He
learns how to get out of the illusion and wake up. If he is no more
a slave to illusion and dreams, he is free. He sees everything as it
really is. Contrary to what you might think, such a person functions
in his daily life in a better way, is stronger, happier, very
practical and free from worry.

In the East, metaphors are used in order to demonstrate what
illusion is in relation to Reality. A jewel made of gold may be
called an earring or a necklace, but actually it is only gold.
Before it became a jewel and after it is melted it is only gold.
Clay is shaped into vessels such as plates, cups, or vases, but they
are only clay.

Due to convenience of speech we call these objects made of gold or
clay by many names, but they are really only clay or gold.
Everything in existence is “made” from the Original Substance, and
is not a “real” thing standing by itself, exactly as in the above
examples. Nothing has a reality of its own.

A mirage is not real, but yet we see it. A dream taking place while
sleeping is not real, yet we experience it during the time of the
dream as a reality. A hologram looks 3D, while it is actually flat.

In the East, one of the metaphors of explaining reality and illusion
is that of the rope and the snake. In the dark we may see a rope and
mistake it for a snake. When there is enough light we realize that
it was only a rope, and the snake disappears. It is only due to some
kind of illusion that we see a world. Everything is in the mind.

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: June 29, 2005 at 3:41:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Reality Versus Imagination and Illusion
By Remez Sasson

Some say that the world is an illusion, Maya in Eastern terminology.
Can we accept this when everything looks so real? Can we regard the
world as imagination?

We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world,
which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses
and the mind the world does not exist for us.

Namaste
Matthew

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Prepare for Deep Impact
Date: June 29, 2005 at 10:56:05 AM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Date: Jun 28, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: Prepare for Deep Impact
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Help I have to go to work
Date: June 29, 2005 at 6:28:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, someone dear to me told me to get a gig for a while, so I did. One of my alters is a painter so I figured that I would take advantage of it and make some money. His name is Seth and he hails from lower Grabassia. So Seth and I are going to work today. We found a job with a guy who is cool about Ibogaine. We’ll be doing the painting on an old house built in 1885 here in Erie PA. Cool old house. So we’re off to work, I swear we won’t drink the paint thinner. Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 29, 2005 at 4:03:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Awwww yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Th’ Randy is thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Heh Music for Ibogaining………..
Ibogaine Trips greatest hits
Music for the Very Very Fucking Out There……………….
Ibogaine Users…. Unplugged!!!
And so on……
Wicked!!
And
Booooyakaaaa!!!
Keep it coming on many many talented souls out there.
‘This will be the city of the future’
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 6:50 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 29, 2005 at 2:50:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: AIR is going to happen!!!
Date: June 29, 2005 at 2:37:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And I’ll help in the building and design of the healing centre
so we can harness the energy of heaven and earth to help
in the healing of the masses.

Bring it on babies.

love, Jasen.
Ohh I am most definitely there now!!!
Any place that has Jasen involved in it, I;m there.
Now, if Matt puts his talents forth…..(he can create the Ibogaine
dictionary ;o))
And tink puts hers forth
And all u other talented sweethearts…..
There’s no stopping me at all :o)
I’d be in heaven!!!!!

Love and blessings galore to AIR!!!!
Kirk
Lookit what ya started now!!!! I lovelove love love when shit like this
starts being born!!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo with the most
beautiful people in the world!!!

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 29, 2005 at 2:26:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And I’ll help in the building and design of the healing centre
so we can harness the energy of heaven and earth to help
in the healing of the masses.

Bring it on babies.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

Haaaaa omg what a Mouthful that was!!!!!!
Yeh for sure I am there!!! Sounds so much like my element, it’s nutz!!
Well, if I ever complete my naturopathy diploma and get back into my Reiki
energy healing……………….I’ll join the healing team as well!!!
Just need to heal Neil first (ah that would be me, but Kirk don’t rhyme with
heal Hehheh, also was thinking of Neil off the awesomely funny Young Ones,
English comedy of the eighties……………awww noooo age is showing!!)
So, keep me informed!!!
And in the words of……………Phil Collins (tink! Is that right?? Heh)
“I can feel it comin’ in the AIR tonight!! Allright!!!!!!!”
Hehheh
Laughter love and freaky freaks
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 1:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

AIR. Addiction Interruption Resources. What do you think of THAT acronym?

When we win the lottery, or the grant-writing frenzy, that’s gonna be
the name of our support system for Iboganauts. Join us if you like.
There will be saunas and hot-tubs and flower essences and bodyworkers
and counselors and Rolfers and chiro and Qi medical practioners and
herbalists and fresh air and oxygen tanks and seaweed spas and crazy
freaky doctors who love life and maybe even some neurologists who have
seen the Silverblue globule light.

And perhaps some lawyers and activists and legislators and PACs or
something like that for the scheduled attack on scheduled illogicality
misnomered priority one. All funded by a radical prodigal ex-scion
of big Pharma riding a motorcade. Who likes angry feminists and
reformed freaks and shaman-kids with psychic tattooes and popeyed
poets with a lust for lemony spinach and quantum chemist filmmakers
and the bruja-schooled and all things special under the sun.

How did you know we were headed for those dragon gates at Harbin Hot
Springs?

Maybe I need to go to Ibogainesville first!!!

Or stop eating dinner with the professoriate.

There is considerably less fog now.

out.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 29, 2005 at 12:14:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AIR. Addiction Interruption Resources. What do you think of THAT acronym?

How did you know we were headed for those dragon gates at Harbin Hot
Springs?

Maybe I need to go to Ibogainesville first!!!

Or stop eating dinner with the professoriate.

There is considerably less fog now.

out.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 28, 2005 at 9:14:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AIR. Addiction Interruption Resources. What do you think of THAT acronym?

How did you know we were headed for those dragon gates at Harbin Hot Springs?

Maybe I need to go to Ibogainesville first!!!

Or stop eating dinner with the professoriate.

There is considerably less fog now.

out.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 28, 2005 at 7:53:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, heyyyyyy Tinker-give-em-hell!!!!!! You rock woman!!!!
I didn’t get from your teacher that he thought it was fiction… he knew it wasn’t just that it had a fictional tone to it? I dunno, but that’s what I got out of it.
Man, that must have rocked your self esteem thru the roof.
I’ll be first in line at the book store.
Love you, keep going my freaky friend
Kirk xxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 8:40 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; anne@gmavt.net; dimitrimugianis@yahoo.com; cparfitt@maine.rr.com; foodandart@comcast.net; edwardshepard@gmail.com; hp333@hotmail.com; redv@adelphia.com; duffley@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…

Sara, I could have swore I told you pretty much the same thing. Whatsa matta U don’t you trust me? Congradulations, you deserve it. Finish the book. Do it now!!!! Your the bomb Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 7:21:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Haaaaaaaaa I gotcha now!!! That’s very clever actually!! Booster goose
Hehheh very good!!!! I love plays on words.
I’m still waiting for the Ibogaine movie (rites..) will be good to see and
show my drug counsellor. And the doc. I know they’ll be interested to see
it, they”l probly show it to the whole clinic. Could be a very good thing.
Thanks for the translation!!
Love heaps
Love light n laughter always
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 6:18 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote

oh kirk ya giggling kiwi… glad I gave ya a good hoot.

—
“Ibogaine is not, and never will be, a recreational drug.” Eric Taub

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 28, 2005 at 4:40:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, anne@gmavt.net, dimitrimugianis@yahoo.com, cparfitt@maine.rr.com, foodandart@comcast.net, edwardshepard@gmail.com, hp333@hotmail.com, redv@adelphia.com, duffley@gmail.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara, I could have swore I told you pretty much the same thing. Whatsa matta U don’t you trust me? Congradulations, you deserve it. Finish the book. Do it now!!!! Your the bomb Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 4:36:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhh yehhh duhhh silly meeeee I saw both movies about the same time and
listen to the sound tracks together…. so they gets all muddled in my brain
cell…………..both excellent movies!!
And thanks for the um…… translation?? Heh
LUFF U TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
KIRK

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2005 6:25 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote

Pulp Fiction, when they’re holding up the restaurant. Honey Bunny and
boyfriend, and samuel L jackson’s wallet that says “Bad Motherfucker”
Love ya kirkie!!
the goose thing has got to be a Kentucky Fried Randy thing ;]
tink
On 6/28/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
“Randy, whatchoo weighting 4? Bust a goose Mr. Rooster! love from the
fog,
rachytwostep”

Ok, please inform this back water Kiwi what the hell does it mean to Bust
a
Goose????? Or is this a private joke?? None the less, It made me laugh me
flippin’ ‘ead orf!!!!
Love this list TO PEACES!!!!! Every single last mutha f%*&^* one of you
(think that was natural born killers Hehheh)
Loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kirsty Dawn xxxxxxxxxxx

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 28, 2005 at 3:31:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AAHHH YYESSS!!!!!
Finally the dreaded report card!!!!!……Excelnet work!!!! SO FUKEN PROUD OF U!!!!!!……U MADE IT SOOOO FAR—SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF AND ALOT MORE IS IN THE WORKS!!!!! FUKEN a!!!!!!!!………
REMEMBER WITH PRIDE WHAT U ARE, WHAT U ACHEVIED AND WHAT U ARE GOING TO ACHEIVE—-U ARE AN INTELIGENT LOVELY GIFTED TOTALLY WHACKO TINCHACHOO !!! DOTN FORGET THAT!!!!!
u know u can succed in anyting u do !!!!!!1
WISHING U ALL THE BEST…….HARD WORK DOES PAY OFF IN THE END!!!!! U ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE…..JUST KEEP DOING WHAT U DOING…..U FUK UP AGAIN AND U GETTING UR ASS KIKED ……U KNOW THAT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVE YA….

Namaste
Matthew

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] And I thought I wasn’t going to make it…
Date: June 28, 2005 at 2:58:45 PM EDT
To: Anne Parfitt <anne@gmavt.net>, ibogaine@mindvox.com, Dimitri Mugianis <dimitrimugianis@yahoo.com>, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>, cparfitt <cparfitt@maine.rr.com>, Deborah Terreson <foodandart@comcast.net>, Ed Shepard <edwardshepard@gmail.com>, hannah parfitt <hp333@hotmail.com>, redv@adelphia.com, Ian Parfitt <duffley@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I got my report card, and, after having myself worked into a righteous
tizzy, here’s what the powers that be had to say…I just thought I’d
share something positive!!
love to you all…
tink

Geof Hewitt, Faculty Advisor, 19 June, 2005

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 2:24:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok, please inform this back water Kiwi what the hell does it mean to Bust a
Goose????? Or is this a private joke?? None the less, It made me laugh me
flippin’ ‘ead orf!!!!
Love this list TO PEACES!!!!! Every single last mutha f%*&^* one of you
(think that was natural born killers Hehheh)
Loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kirsty Dawn xxxxxxxxxxx

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 2:18:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh kirk ya giggling kiwi… glad I gave ya a good hoot.

—
“Ibogaine is not, and never will be, a recreational drug.” Eric Taub

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 12:08:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This qoute applies to what I’m waiting for Rach. I respect what Ibogaine does and I’m kinda nervous about taking any amount. ‘Course that ‘aint gonna stop me none. “I got an angle Charley” (Heavy Metal) It’s comin’. Randy

From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT eerie zombi dogs
Date: June 28, 2005 at 10:16:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html

and I cannot find it anywhere
else. Can anyone recommend a site which sells real melatonin (ie not
homeopathic melatonin)?

Every shop and every other site I’ve seen only sells the homeopathic

version.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 12:58:31 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Randy, whatchoo weighting 4? Bust a goose Mr. Rooster! love from the fog,
rachytwostep”

Ok, please inform this back water Kiwi what the hell does it mean to Bust a
Goose????? Or is this a private joke?? None the less, It made me laugh me
flippin’ ‘ead orf!!!!
Love this list TO PEACES!!!!! Every single last mutha f%*&^* one of you
(think that was natural born killers Hehheh)
Loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kirsty Dawn xxxxxxxxxxx

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I just really liked this quote
Date: June 28, 2005 at 12:40:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Ibogaine is not, and never will be, a recreational drug.” Eric Taub

Cause I’m not a lawyer or anything, but the whole Schedule 1 thing
seems really not logical. Provocative in that sense, from a testing
theory of civil challenges to legality.

Randy, whatchoo weighting 4? Bust a goose Mr. Rooster! love from the
fog, rachytwostep

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 27, 2005 at 11:11:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jeff and Rach, seeing as you posted last night that the session was starting then I figure your friend or friends has been through the flood by now. I hope all was what they wanted it to be. I don’t know what kind of treatment it is I just hope they get as much from theirs as I did mine. I wanna do it again. I know I wanna do a booster. Peace and contemplation to you and yousen’s Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: FW: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 27, 2005 at 7:07:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wowww I am so envious, that’s it I’m saving up, I wanna go bush!!!! Who’s
coming with???
Love heaps to the adventurers…. I send Saint Christopher wit chas!! (fink
he’s saint of travel?? Correct me iffin I be wrong!!)
Kirk xxxxxxxx
Buzz wuzz

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:18 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

My candles all melted, but the fire is lit and the love is being sent!!!
Serenity, patience and peace of mind to you all!!!!!!
Bwiti Love and happy trailers!
say hi to the bees
love
tink

On 6/27/05, Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

Go with the light !!

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

best wishes.
lotsa love and luck and happiness to your friends Jeff.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

hi all
Passing along a message asking us all to light a candle real or in your
heart for some beautiful folks goin’ to the jungle tonight.
I for one wish them the ride of thier lives and a future filled with
ibo-happines…

Also i must on a personal note say that it was on of the grand pleasures
of
my life to be two-stepping with my Racheliscious just steps away from one
of
my most favorite iboangels and friend the other night at the Great
American
Music Hall.

What an amazing trip this life is…..

Heading up to Quincy.Ca for High Sierra Music Festival soon and we are
stoked!

Dance Free
Freak free
Be Free
Jeff

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 27, 2005 at 6:17:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My candles all melted, but the fire is lit and the love is being sent!!!
Serenity, patience and peace of mind to you all!!!!!!
Bwiti Love and happy trailers!
say hi to the bees
love
tink

On 6/27/05, Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

Go with the light !!

—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

best wishes.
lotsa love and luck and happiness to your friends Jeff.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

Also i must on a personal note say that it was on of the grand pleasures of
my life to be two-stepping with my Racheliscious just steps away from one of
my most favorite iboangels and friend the other night at the Great American
Music Hall.

What an amazing trip this life is…..

Heading up to Quincy.Ca for High Sierra Music Festival soon and we are
stoked!

Dance Free
Freak free
Be Free
Jeff

From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 27, 2005 at 2:39:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Go with the light !!
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

best wishes.
lotsa love and luck and happiness to your friends Jeff.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] time to focus….

hi all
Passing along a message asking us all to light a candle real or in your heart for some beautiful folks goin’ to the jungle tonight.
I for one wish them the ride of thier lives and a future filled with ibo-happines…

Also i must on a personal note say that it was on of the grand pleasures of my life to be two-stepping with my Racheliscious just steps away from one of my most favorite iboangels and friend the other night at the Great American Music Hall.

What an amazing trip this life is…..

Heading up to Quincy.Ca for High Sierra Music Festival soon and we are stoked!

Dance Free
Freak free
Be Free
Jeff

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] fwd..cookie break
Date: June 27, 2005 at 12:01:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cookie Break…

Cosmic Cookie

I AM… the Universal Creator… and Poet.
However I appear as an ordinary Creature.
Sometimes I am Masculine
and sometimes I am Feminine.
Once in a while I appear as a Mixture of Both.
I never appear as Myself
for
I am God the Invisible.
I AM… the Light of Creation.
I am Consciousness… I am the All in All.
Nobody will ever know Me… but Me.

GOD APPEARS IN ALL FORMS EQUALLY WELL SUITED

Namaste
Matthew

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 27, 2005 at 8:29:59 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Strange , just before I read your post I was thinking about Manson playing Wonka because he said it was one of his favourite films, plus that intro to cake and sodomy is really cool – (Stop The Boat !)

>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:36:05 +1200
>
>OMGGG yehhh I forgot about that!~!!!!!  Would have much preferred marilyn
>Manson as a far far darker willy wonka, but only if he could act!!
>
>But ooooo yehhh least I can get off on Johnny Depp AND chocolate at the same
>time!!! Wicked!!
>
>Lol
>
>Kirk
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>Sent: Monday, 27 June 2005 2:42 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>
>
>
>Johnny Depp Rocks. One of my all time favorite actors- we’re definitely
>doing a chocolate shrooming for the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
>remake.
>
>;-))
>
>
>
>
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston Peet
>
>
>
>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
>mistaken for madness”
>Richard Davenport-Hines
>
>
>
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
>Cont. High Times mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —–
>
>From: Capt Kirk <mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz>
>
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>
>Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:50 PM
>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>
>
>
>Urh, heh, ahh yehhh of course…um think I was a bit off the planet when I
>wrote that email.
>
>Heh
>
>Luff Kirk
>
>(Scotty is in rehab and none of us have any idea how to make the beamy
>machine work..)
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
>From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
>Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:54 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>
>
>
>I think Johnny Depp is incredibly talented too , I was just being silly – He
>guested on a UK comedy called ‘the fast show’ a few times and said it was
>the funniest show he’d ever seen , I love him for saying that…………..
>ok ! beam me up……..see ya c.k.
>
>
>
>
> >From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]  off topic but i get do  2 ks (hcl) !
>………Mr.Peet
> >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:02:09 +1200
> >
> >Well, excuseeeee me but I recently saw an Actors Studio of Johnny Depp and
>I
> >love ‘im more than life issss sself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah self……….
> >such a down to earth bloke, he roks in my opin-onion and that’s big coming
> >from me
> >
> >Like Im so special hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like my opinion means jack
> >
> >Love to all
> >
> >Very happy kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> >From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 8:28 a.m.
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) !
>………Mr.Peet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >You’ve got a lovely nose Preston , I was just envious of how svelte you
> >looked in that little black number. btw, I can only think of one other
> >gonzo/political journo who occasionally wore a dress, wrote abou his insane
> >drug taking to vivid effect and he died by his own hand  –  Russian
>Roulette
> >or not.  I’m not saying be worried, but avoid guns, strong liqour and
>Johnny
> >Depp.  We all know guns and tequila can make things dead , but I’d keep one
> >eye on Depp as well.    I’m actually returning the favour to you because of
> >that subtle blend of pisstaking and genuinely inspiring advice you wrote to
> >me a couple of days ago concerning my career as a writer . I will however
> >probably ignore the advice because I’m a bit of a twat like that and that
> >being my case I recommend  you do the same,  unless it’s something
>important
> >like tracking down that ‘junkie Thomas’ who wrote all those great shorts
> >that they list on that radical hippys website. – Whenever I’m in the mood,
>I
> >devour them,  even the ones I’ve read 6 times already  –  Try and see if
>you
> >can get them edited and published , you never know!…….Ok… ,  Later
> >Preston !!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
> > >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:53 -0400
> > >
> > >Sjonnygee asked >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+
> > >posts to this list in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating
> > >the joys and woes of a drug laden/free life.<
> > >
> > >Speaking for myself only, this is my job, sitting at the computer
> > >writing and reading all day long. So, when a spare thought or three
> > >passes through my mind and I feel like sharing it, I do.
> > >
> > >>It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up and cancel
> > >>band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop at
> > >>anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know
> > >>who your sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude
> > >>you apply to a thread ?<
> > >
> > >Here’s the number 212-555-5555. Give hir a call. Attitude is always
> > >good but might not get your rates increased as much as mine.
> > >
> > >>The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician
> > >>, Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I
> > >>was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and
> > >>actively don’t wish to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian soldier
> > >>shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil
> > >>unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century Babri
> > >>Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a round
> > >>of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.<
> > >
> > >That “activist” rating I’m not sure counts sjonny, but it did make
> > >me laugh out loud. I like the bio, and “dance percussion therapist”
> > >sounds very cool.
> > >
> > >>So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves
> > >>in to type …………Can I get a contract ?<
> > >
> > >Weeeelllllll, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are, I personally
> > >decided I wanted to be a “writer” and get paid to do so. So I
> > >started writing when I got home from my then-job putting together
> > >the innards of such places as the Marvel Comics themed restaurant
> > >out in Universal Studios in California (we built all the panels and
> > >artistic stuff here in Manhattan, building these panels to make the
> > >place look like a spaceship or something, among other
> > >artsy-carpenterish jobs like that), because I could feel my body
> > >rapidly approaching the point where I wasn’t going to be able to
> > >continue with that sort of work, and wanted to do something where I
> > >could say the things I thought needed saying (by me anyway) and if I
> > >could get paid simultaneously, more power to me. So I wrote,
> > >pitched, walked, mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, wrote, pitched,
> > >mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, got shitloads of rejection slips and
> > >then gradually started selling my writing.
> > >    Put in the time, you too might be able to strap yourself to a
> > >desk chair at home and type all the merry day long, adding attitude
> > >here, taking it away there.
> > >    At least you’ve got a band practice to cancel, which I envy.
> > >;-))
> > >    V loves my nose btw. And my dress(es). And she’s the one with an
> > >opinion I really, really care about, so in that regard, I’ve few to
> > >no complaints.
> > >    Any other questions?
> > >
> > >Peace and love,
> > >Preston
> > >
> > >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> > >often mistaken for madness”
> > >Richard Davenport-Hines
> > >
> > >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> > >Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> > >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> > >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> > >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> > >Sept. 2005)
> > >Cont. High Times mag/.com
> > >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> > >Columnist New York Waste
> > >Etc.
> > >
> > >—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
> > >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:26 AM
> > >Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
> > >
> > >
> > >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list
> > >in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of
> > >a drug laden/free life.  It’s all I can do when I get home from work
> > >to phone up and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week ,
> > >I’m not having a pop at anyone here nor am I being argumentative ,
> > >I’d just love to know who your sponsor is and does he increase the
> > >rate the more attitude you apply to a thread ? -……….. and can
> > >I get a cut.
> > >       The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. –
> > >Musician , Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once
> > >told me I was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last
> > >year and actively don’t wish to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian
> > >soldier shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive
> > >civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century
> > >Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a
> > >round of religious violence in which 3,000 people ied.}  – So who
> > >does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to
> > >type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a
> > >Good dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off !
> > >……….sjonny.
> > >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> > >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> > >>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> > >>in August?
> > >>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400
> > >>
> > >>to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not
> > >>more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars
> > >>being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a
> > >>telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that
> > >>article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter
> > >>through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the
> > >>moon with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of
> > >>its brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only
> > >>imagine how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or
> > >>upstate in the mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of
> > >>that nature. Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look
> > >>through the telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there,
> > >>including the guy with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Peace and love,
> > >>Preston Peet
> > >>
> > >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> > >>often mistaken for madness”
> > >>Richard Davenport-Hines
> > >>
> > >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> > >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> > >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> > >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> > >>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> > >>Sept. 2005)
> > >>Cont. High Times mag/.com
> > >>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> > >>Columnist New York Waste
> > >>Etc.
> > >>
> > >>—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”
> > >><captkirk@free.net.nz>
> > >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM
> > >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> > >>in August?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003.  Must be a old
> > >>>email
> > >>>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!
> > >>>Lol
> > >>>Damn…
> > >>>Oh well.
> > >>>Kirk
> > >>>
> > >>>—–Original Message—–
> > >>>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m.
> > >>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > >>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> > >>>in August?
> > >>>
> > >>>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened
> > >>>already? I
> > >>>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one
> > >>>before to see
> > >>>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.
> > >>>And they
> > >>>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so
> > >>>buggered if I
> > >>>know Preston!!!
> > >>>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!!  I’m a
> > >>>star gazer
> > >>>by nature.
> > >>>
> > >>>—–Original Message—–
> > >>>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m.
> > >>>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> > >>>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> > >>>August?
> > >>>
> > >>>Hi all,
> > >>>    Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about
> > >>>how Mars
> > >>>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?
> > >>>Anyone
> > >>>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so
> > >>>I’ve no
> > >>>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give
> > >>>full
> > >>>credit if I did know, but I don’t.
> > >>>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever
> > >>>going
> > >>>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this
> > >>>rock of a
> > >>>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in
> > >>>for a
> > >>>fly-by):
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,
> > >>>Earth
> > >>>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in
> > >>>the
> > >>>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The
> > >>>next
> > >>>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s
> > >>>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only
> > >>>be
> > >>>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last
> > >>>5,000
> > >>>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens
> > >>>again.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to
> > >>>within
> > >>>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
> > >>>brightest
> > >>>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and
> > >>>will
> > >>>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars
> > >>>will be
> > >>>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east
> > >>>at
> > >>>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.  By the end of August
> > >>>when
> > >>>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach
> > >>>its
> > >>>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to
> > >>>see
> > >>>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,
> > >>>mark
> > >>>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> > >>>progressively
> > >>>brighter and brighter throughout the month.
> > >>><
> > >>>
> > >>>Peace and love,
> > >>>Preston Peet
> > >>>
> > >>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] melatonin
Date: June 27, 2005 at 7:26:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Howard, that must it, it never occurred to me they’d ban melatonin, but allow the sale of a homeopathic version. But as l-tryptophan and 5-htp are restricted here, its conceivable and likely melatonin would be too. As silly as that is.

And thanks Keith, I’ll make sure I get the synthetic version!

Boris

Hi Boris,

Possibly, melotonin is restricted in Australia as it is in the UK. In the
US
you can just load up on mega doses. Hope I have the facts right.

Howard

In a message dated 6/26/05 9:57:15 AM, bleshins@bigpond.net.au writes:

A couple of people have mentioned melatonin as a sleep aid. I’ve bought
some before from here
http://www.biogenesis.co.za/pi-melatonin.asp
a site recommended to me by a friend, as it is the only melatonin he’s
found that is not the homeopathic crap, which does nothing. That site is
currently not selling it for some reason and I cannot find it anywhere
else. Can anyone recommend a site which sells real melatonin (ie not
homeopathic melatonin)?

Every shop and every other site I’ve seen only sells the homeopathic

version.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 27, 2005 at 4:36:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OMGGG yehhh I forgot about that!~!!!!! Would have much preferred marilyn Manson as a far far darker willy wonka, but only if he could act!!
But ooooo yehhh least I can get off on Johnny Depp AND chocolate at the same time!!! Wicked!!
Lol
Kirk
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]  Sent: Monday, 27 June 2005 2:42 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

Johnny Depp Rocks. One of my all time favorite actors- we’re definitely doing a chocolate shrooming for the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake.
;-))

Peace and love, Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness” Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com Editor http://www.drugwar.com Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005) Cont. High Times mag/.com Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com Columnist New York Waste Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

Urh, heh, ahh yehhh of course…..um think I was a bit off the planet when I wrote that email.
Heh
Luff Kirk
(Scotty is in rehab and none of us have any idea how to make the beamy machine work……)
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

I think Johnny Depp is incredibly talented too , I was just being silly – He guested on a UK comedy called ‘the fast show’ a few times and said it was the funniest show he’d ever seen , I love him for saying that………….. ok ! beam me up……..see ya c.k.
>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:02:09 +1200 > >Well, excuseeeee me but I recently saw an Actors Studio of Johnny Depp and I >love ‘im more than life issss sself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah self………. >such a down to earth bloke, he roks in my opin-onion and that’s big coming >from me > >Like Im so special hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like my opinion means jack > >Love to all > >Very happy kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > _____ > >From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com] >Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 8:28 a.m. >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet > > > > > >You’ve got a lovely nose Preston , I was just envious of how svelte you >looked in that little black number. btw, I can only think of one other >gonzo/political journo who occasionally wore a dress, wrote abou his insane >drug taking to vivid effect and he died by his own hand – Russian Roulette >or not. I’m not saying be worried, but avoid guns, strong liqour and Johnny >Depp. We all know guns and tequila can make things dead , but I’d keep one >eye on Depp as well. I’m actually returning the favour to you because of >that subtle blend of pisstaking and genuinely inspiring advice you wrote to >me a couple of days ago concerning my career as a writer . I will however >probably ignore the advice because I’m a bit of a twat like that and that >being my case I recommend you do the same, unless it’s something important >like tracking down that ‘junkie Thomas’ who wrote all those great shorts >that they list on that radical hippys website. – Whenever I’m in the mood, I >devour them, even the ones I’ve read 6 times already – Try and see if you >can get them edited and published , you never know!…….Ok… , Later >Preston !! > > > > > > >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. > >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:53 -0400 > > > >Sjonnygee asked >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ > >posts to this list in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating > >the joys and woes of a drug laden/free life.< > > > >Speaking for myself only, this is my job, sitting at the computer > >writing and reading all day long. So, when a spare thought or three > >passes through my mind and I feel like sharing it, I do. > > > >>It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up and cancel > >>band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop at > >>anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know > >>who your sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude > >>you apply to a thread ?< > > > >Here’s the number 212-555-5555. Give hir a call. Attitude is always > >good but might not get your rates increased as much as mine. > > > >>The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician > >>, Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I > >>was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and > >>actively don’t wish to do it again) – Adventurer(An indian soldier > >>shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil > >>unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century Babri > >>Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a round > >>of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.< > > > >That “activist” rating I’m not sure counts sjonny, but it did make > >me laugh out loud. I like the bio, and “dance percussion therapist” > >sounds very cool. > > > >>So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves > >>in to type …………Can I get a contract ?< > > > >Weeeelllllll, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are, I personally > >decided I wanted to be a “writer” and get paid to do so. So I > >started writing when I got home from my then-job putting together > >the innards of such places as the Marvel Comics themed restaurant > >out in Universal Studios in California (we built all the panels and > >artistic stuff here in Manhattan, building these panels to make the > >place look like a spaceship or something, among other > >artsy-carpenterish jobs like that), because I could feel my body > >rapidly approaching the point where I wasn’t going to be able to > >continue with that sort of work, and wanted to do something where I > >could say the things I thought needed saying (by me anyway) and if I > >could get paid simultaneously, more power to me. So I wrote, > >pitched, walked, mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, wrote, pitched, > >mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, got shitloads of rejection slips and > >then gradually started selling my writing. > > Put in the time, you too might be able to strap yourself to a > >desk chair at home and type all the merry day long, adding attitude > >here, taking it away there. > > At least you’ve got a band practice to cancel, which I envy. > >;-)) > > V loves my nose btw. And my dress(es). And she’s the one with an > >opinion I really, really care about, so in that regard, I’ve few to > >no complaints. > > Any other questions? > > > >Peace and love, > >Preston > > > >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > >often mistaken for madness” > >Richard Davenport-Hines > > > >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com > >Editor http://www.drugwar.com > >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” > >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out > >Sept. 2005) > >Cont. High Times mag/.com > >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com > >Columnist New York Waste > >Etc. > > > >—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee . > >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:26 AM > >Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. > > > > > >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list > >in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of > >a drug laden/free life. It’s all I can do when I get home from work > >to phone up and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , > >I’m not having a pop at anyone here nor am I being argumentative , > >I’d just love to know who your sponsor is and does he increase the > >rate the more attitude you apply to a thread ? -……….. and can > >I get a cut. > > The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. - > >Musician , Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once > >told me I was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last > >year and actively don’t wish to do it again) – Adventurer(An indian > >soldier shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive > >civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century > >Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a > >round of religious violence in which 3,000 people ied.} – So who > >does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to > >type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a > >Good dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off ! > >……….sjonny. > >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> > >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> > >>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close > >>in August? > >>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400 > >> > >>to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not > >>more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars > >>being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a > >>telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that > >>article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter > >>through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the > >>moon with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of > >>its brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only > >>imagine how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or > >>upstate in the mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of > >>that nature. Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look > >>through the telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there, > >>including the guy with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing. > >> > >> > >>Peace and love, > >>Preston Peet > >> > >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > >>often mistaken for madness” > >>Richard Davenport-Hines > >> > >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com > >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com > >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” > >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > >>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out > >>Sept. 2005) > >>Cont. High Times mag/.com > >>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com > >>Columnist New York Waste > >>Etc. > >> > >>—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” > >><captkirk@free.net.nz> > >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM > >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close > >>in August? > >> > >> > >>>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003. Must be a old > >>>email > >>>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!! > >>>Lol > >>>Damn… > >>>Oh well. > >>>Kirk > >>> > >>>—–Original Message—– > >>>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz] > >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m. > >>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close > >>>in August? > >>> > >>>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened > >>>already? I > >>>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one > >>>before to see > >>>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait. > >>>And they > >>>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so > >>>buggered if I > >>>know Preston!!! > >>>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!! I’m a > >>>star gazer > >>>by nature. > >>> > >>>—–Original Message—– > >>>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] > >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m. > >>>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com > >>>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in > >>>August? > >>> > >>>Hi all, > >>> Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about > >>>how Mars > >>>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history? > >>>Anyone > >>>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so > >>>I’ve no > >>>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give > >>>full > >>>credit if I did know, but I don’t. > >>>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever > >>>going > >>>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this > >>>rock of a > >>>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in > >>>for a > >>>fly-by): > >>> > >>>> > >>>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, > >>>Earth > >>>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in > >>>the > >>>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The > >>>next > >>>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s > >>>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only > >>>be > >>>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last > >>>5,000 > >>>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens > >>>again. > >>> > >>> > >>>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to > >>>within > >>>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the > >>>brightest > >>>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and > >>>will > >>>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification > >>> > >>> > >>>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars > >>>will be > >>>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east > >>>at > >>>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m. By the end of August > >>>when > >>>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach > >>>its > >>>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to > >>>see > >>>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, > >>>mark > >>>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow > >>>progressively > >>>brighter and brighter throughout the month. > >>>< > >>> > >>>Peace and love, > >>>Preston Peet > >>> > >>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > >>>often > >>>mistaken for madness” > >>>Richard Davenport-Hines > >>> > >>>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com > >>>Editor http://www.drugwar.com > >>>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” > >>>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > >>>Civilizations, > >>>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005) > >>>Cont. High Times mag/.com > >>>Cont. 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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 26, 2005 at 10:44:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

best wishes.
lotsa love and luck and happiness to your friends Jeff.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

hi all
Passing along a message asking us all to light a candle real or in your heart for some beautiful folks goin’ to the jungle tonight.
I for one wish them the ride of thier lives and a future filled with ibo-happines…

Also i must on a personal note say that it was on of the grand pleasures of my life to be two-stepping with my Racheliscious just steps away from one of my most favorite iboangels and friend the other night at the Great American Music Hall.

What an amazing trip this life is…..

Heading up to Quincy.Ca for High Sierra Music Festival soon and we are stoked!

Dance Free
Freak free
Be Free
Jeff

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 26, 2005 at 10:41:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Johnny Depp Rocks. One of my all time favorite actors- we’re definitely doing a chocolate shrooming for the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

Urh, heh, ahh yehhh of course..um think I was a bit off the planet when I wrote that email.
Heh
Luff Kirk
(Scotty is in rehab and none of us have any idea how to make the beamy machine work)
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] test
Date: June 26, 2005 at 10:31:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

test

From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] time to focus….
Date: June 26, 2005 at 9:43:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi all
Passing along a message asking us all to light a candle real or in your heart for some beautiful folks goin’ to the jungle tonight.
I for one wish them the ride of thier lives and a future filled with ibo-happines…

Also i must on a personal note say that it was on of the grand pleasures of my life to be two-stepping with my Racheliscious just steps away from one of my most favorite iboangels and friend the other night at the Great American Music Hall.

What an amazing trip this life is…..

Heading up to Quincy.Ca for High Sierra Music Festival soon and we are stoked!

Dance Free
Freak free
Be Free
Jeff

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 26, 2005 at 5:50:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] strange stuff
Date: June 26, 2005 at 12:52:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Strange stuff, good stuff. Thanks
—– Original Message —–
From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] strange stuff

Yes, it’s completely clear the Pentagon was hit by a missile on 9/11.
There’s so much evidence now it’s just ridiculous I think to even question
it. Which does rather call into question the origin of the other attacks.
I
mean, basically, the Americans created the attacks purely to start wars in
the Middle East and impose an assortment of tedious restrictions on their
own citizens. But most people have such an investment in the authorized
version of history they just won’t believe it. At some point I guess a
threshold number of people are going to believe and hopefully much will
change.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 25 June 2005 21:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] strange stuff

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

http://www.quantumfuture.net/store/downloads.php

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] melatonin
Date: June 26, 2005 at 12:06:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Boris,

Possibly, melotonin is restricted in Australia as it is in the UK. In the US
you can just load up on mega doses. Hope I have the facts right.

Howard

In a message dated 6/26/05 9:57:15 AM, bleshins@bigpond.net.au writes:

Every shop and every other site I’ve seen only sells the homeopathic

version.

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] strange stuff
Date: June 26, 2005 at 11:16:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes, it’s completely clear the Pentagon was hit by a missile on 9/11.
There’s so much evidence now it’s just ridiculous I think to even question
it. Which does rather call into question the origin of the other attacks. I
mean, basically, the Americans created the attacks purely to start wars in
the Middle East and impose an assortment of tedious restrictions on their
own citizens. But most people have such an investment in the authorized
version of history they just won’t believe it. At some point I guess a
threshold number of people are going to believe and hopefully much will
change.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 25 June 2005 21:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] strange stuff

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

http://www.quantumfuture.net/store/downloads.php

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] melatonin
Date: June 26, 2005 at 10:59:53 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris,

Natural melatonin is made from the pineal gland of animals. This form could be contaminated with a virus and is not recommended. The synthetic form of melatonin does not have this risk. Other than this difference in production I can’t find any substantial differences in the medication/supplement. The synthetic version may be more tolerable at higher dosages, but there definitely is a point of diminishing returns with Melatonin dosage and frequency. I also only use the synthetic form as a sleep aid and buy it from a vitamin shop close to me.I recommend using <“Synthetic Melatonin”> as your search string, or you can purchase it here, http://www.myvitanet.com/mel3mg60cap.html

Disclaimer: I am a drug addict and am insane on many different levels. Do not listen to me or take anything I say seriously….after all, you are the internet.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: Boris [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] melatonin

A couple of people have mentioned melatonin as a sleep aid. I’ve bought some before from here
http://www.biogenesis.co.za/pi-melatonin.asp
a site recommended to me by a friend, as it is the only melatonin he’s found that is not the homeopathic crap, which does nothing. That site is currently not selling it for some reason and I cannot find it anywhere else. Can anyone recommend a site which sells real melatonin (ie not homeopathic melatonin)?
Every shop and every other site I’ve seen only sells the homeopathic version.

Boris

From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] melatonin
Date: June 26, 2005 at 9:50:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A couple of people have mentioned melatonin as a sleep aid. I’ve bought some before from here
http://www.biogenesis.co.za/pi-melatonin.asp
a site recommended to me by a friend, as it is the only melatonin he’s found that is not the homeopathic crap, which does nothing. That site is currently not selling it for some reason and I cannot find it anywhere else. Can anyone recommend a site which sells real melatonin (ie not homeopathic melatonin)?
Every shop and every other site I’ve seen only sells the homeopathic version.

Boris

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 26, 2005 at 9:09:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s a cool sky pic!
-Keith

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 26, 2005 at 5:32:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ur a pretty resourceful cat. you can make it happen if you put your mind to it. There has got to be someone who will help you with that on the list or off. i know you’ll make it happen if that’s your destiny. just ask ur people!!! -m.

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I guess it boils down to the fact that I personally don’t consider “dealer”
a dirty word in the slightest- it is someone who enables me to buy my
substances no matter what they are. In this regard, my dealers are more
friends, and that’s very cool.
SO PLEASE understand that I LIKE dealers no matter what, and in this
case the dealers are dealing positive light, love and energy. Nothing wrong
with that whatsoever- I just wish I could at THIS POINT figure out how to
cut out the middlemen and women and just do it myself with the opportunity
of calling for advice when needed the various sorts I know who might be able
to advise me.
It’s that simple.
With lots of love.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink”
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

Preston and all
Having been through the “correct treatment” in Kitts and then an
underground treatment, I have to say that I much prefered the latter.
I didn’t feel so -guinee pigged. I know that they have alot more
information now than when I first went through it , and that the
protocol is completely different, and I realize that the amassing of
information is incredibly important. I hope that it goes further and
wider, but I also have to say that my providers were fantastic and
nurturing and i know that i had a much better experience with them
there than had I been with someone who had a lesser understanding of
ibogaine or my addiction.
I understand the feeling of invasiveness, certainly, but calling them
dealers is dirty pool. I think that it’s a calling more than anything
else, and though it might not seem to be exactly what you might want,
they aren’t exactly pushing the shit on Ave D.
Having been given the opportunity to do it for a second time is like
being given a new lease on my life. I realize that you might have
particularly extenuating circumstances, given your chronic pain and
all that goes with having been through so much trauma to your body,
but aren’t these same providers the ones that are trying to figure out
some sort of ibogaine maintenance therapy to help you out, and help
keep the dilaudids at a more manageable level?
Having some seriously fucked up back issues and nerve damage and
feeling the full throttle of the pain that i actually am in has been
quite the adjustment, so i’m not speaking completely out of my ass
here, and I have to say that i don’t know how you do it. I’m amazed
at your fortitude and strength, and V deserves a gold medal for being
such an incredible support system for you, and much more.
I suppose my hackles went up when you called them dealers, and being
one to talk first and think later, i had to say something. Not
meaning to step on any toes, just venting a frustration at what i see
as a ridiculous issue.
I’m also not saying that you don’t appreciate your provider, just to
clarify. It just seems a little trite to be so bothered by people’s
concern for you and your health.
Love
tink

On 6/24/05, Eye of the Bhogi wrote:
> As my super-straight sister says to me too many times for comfort:
> “It must be hard being you!” Funny when people say that to each
> other, since all those esoteric teachings of us being all part of one
> Whole make the individual ego experiences of “I” and “You” somewhate
> dreamy veils of illusion. However temporarily the embodied brain
> allows a given soul-entity to wonder at such ephemeral notions of not
> being fragmented, still we carry these egos to function in this world.
>
> I remember, back in February, seeing the personage of Preston Peet
> rise painfully from his seat in front of us at COSM, regaled in
> downtown finery and cosmetic glow, but moving slow, leaning hard on
> the device that helped him walk. We hadn’t met yet, but I recognized
> who he was. And compassion — feeling someone else’s pain as not
> separate — welled up, while certain judgments culled reactively from
> his prolific writing ability drained away. I could hear/feel/sense it
> in my bones that E.T. voice going “oooucccch” empathetically and knew
> that whatever Ibogaine can do towards regenerating the soft tissues of
> corporeality, bones and metal plates are a different story.
>
> I agree, Preston, that meeting each other diffuses the abstract
> tension to conflicting ideas, and opens up more space for recognizing
> the heart behind the heat. I do wish you didn’t have to bang your
> pain meds to get relief, because it always sounds like once you move
> back into that it sets off another cycle. I do wish your body wasn’t
> suffering so…. I do wish… I do wish….
>
> Academics tend to set up these typologies — maybe categories aren’t
> always useful, but politically speaking, differentiating the TYPES of
> opiate dependants and intoxicant vacationers who would likely benefit
> from legal access to the Medicine might reduce the static between
> interest groups. We are all along a spectrum, of course, of varying
> needs…
>
> However, the ax you keep grinding on about what are the
> responsibilities of a provider is getting old. Providers do not seem
> to me AT ALL as if they are “dealers” — and I object to your
> slandering them in such a fashion out of personal pique at not getting
> to play the game according to your rules. If anything from the world
> of Babylon, they seem to me like a cross between pharmacists,
> nurse-practitioners, and psychedelic-therapeutic guides. Because they
> have to be practical about the limited distribution scope of their
> resources, don’t you think? It’s still a Schedule 1 offense you are
> asking someone else to risk, altruistic or not, with all the potential
> for a wonderful Civil Rights case or not, and there’s an awful lot of
> street junkies and the clinic-cuffed and Pharma-tricked out there
> needing a chance to get clean too.
>
> “Where did he get it???!?” someone I thought was pretty well superfly
> connected in the “psychedelic” world said to me back in November,
> three weeks into Jeff’s treatment, and all I could say was some
> mumbled grateful pranams to the underground where the African
> freedomroot travels on its new anti-addiction railroad. I hope to
> never lose that gratitude, even as all the players shine their
> headlights through these clouds of political pharmaceutical healing
> games.
>
> Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu…. May all beings in all the worlds be
> happy.
>
> xo rachy
>
>
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From: “Kirsty” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 26, 2005 at 2:31:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yehhh I saw the planets wot are gonna align last night and oh boy oh
boyyy was my Focea tickled pink!!!!
lmao
I a geek too tink!!!! I subscribed!! I’m a complete star freak!!! I
saw a meteor the other night, was AWESOME and very very thrilling,
I’m always honoured to see rare events like that. Must get me a
smellyscope!!! I mean tele….
VIVA LA FREAKS!!!
Kirk :o)
—- Original Message —-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:19:52 -0400

Indeed it will be!! There’s a map for the whole shebang if you go to
the space weather site, and a way to identify it all. I’m not sure
about the aurora borealis watch for your area, though. It’s usually
in
the more Northern areas, but if you’re in Northern CA, well, maybe?
I also get the NASA list, which is seriously interesting if you’re as
big a freaky geek as I am….
I’ll send you more if you’d like
love
tink

On 6/25/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Sarah,
I love these types of phenomena, will they be visible in
middle/northern California?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:06 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; vox@mindvox.com; Anne Parfitt;
BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend

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From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jun 25, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Planets Align this Weekend
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for June 25, 2005
http://www.spaceweather.com

PLANETS ALIGN: Step outside tonight at sunset and look west toward
the glow of the setting sun. As soon as the sky gets dark, you’ll
see
three planets–Venus, Mercury and Saturn–gathered close together
not
far above the western horizon It’s a beautiful alignment. You have
three chances to see them: June 25th, June 26th and June 27th. A
clear view of the western horizon is key.

NOCTILUCENT CLOUDS: While you’re out looking at the planets, be
alert
also for noctilucent clouds. They’ve been sighted over Europe
and/or
Canada almost every day for the past two weeks. Noctilucent clouds
typically appear after sunset, glowing electric blue and
crisscrossed
by many fine ripples and waves. Visit spaceweather.com to view
sample photos and to read about the mystery of this beautiful
phenomenon.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as:
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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics
Date: June 26, 2005 at 1:38:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

well we talked in the past a few times, preston. i talk to patrick k.
quite often. we be bros. im colton btw.. i kicked heroin (cold turkey)
last sept. been on the list for years and years now. im more of a
spectator. but i post here and there. posted alot more when i was kicking.
mostly dope sick rants.

i run dsskcorp.com/ibidem. its linked in mindvox under the culture section.

i think shes lovely as well. thank you for such a kind compliment =) a
great girl and a wonderful inspiration. she keeps things good. i am very
grateful.

but i hope all is well for everyone on the list and i think you are all
wonderful people and i am very happy to be apart of this.

keep everything solid. love to all.
c

she’s lovely, me.
😉
Who’s me, nuthra? Why can’t I come up with a name for this handle?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

is this matthew?
no, its me….

who am i with?
muh lady.

Is this Matthew, and who are you with?
She’s a sweetheart looker.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

vainity fukn rocks!@#

c$jesschicago.jpg -> me and muh girl in chicago like a week ago
c$wtf.jpg -> i saw this sign and had to get my pic next to it

lubs yews!
n.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics
Date: June 25, 2005 at 10:51:23 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

she’s lovely, me.
😉
Who’s me, nuthra? Why can’t I come up with a name for this handle?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

is this matthew?
no, its me….

who am i with?
muh lady.

Is this Matthew, and who are you with?
She’s a sweetheart looker.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

vainity fukn rocks!@#

c$jesschicago.jpg -> me and muh girl in chicago like a week ago
c$wtf.jpg -> i saw this sign and had to get my pic next to it

lubs yews!
n.

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From: “Kirsty” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (still OT) a couple photos
Date: June 25, 2005 at 10:20:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ahhh well, that’s tough ya only got one chance!!!
and as for you n V, sweet :o) There’s hope for me yet lol
Kirk
—- Original Message —-
From: ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (still OT) a couple photos
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:00:07 -0400

Kirk wrote >Oh so you saw my and Mathews photos and thought you poor
ugly
bastards<

You sent us a photo of you Capt. Kirk? I don’t remember seeing that.
I
remember Mathews, and thinking how good he looked for a junkie, but
don’t
recall seeing a Cpt. Kirk photo here.
And I think he liked the highboots/fishnets/clingywhitedress thing
Kirk. I
enjoy a lot the fact that after almost nine years I still find her
extremely
attractive and get very excited by her with litte to no trouble
whatsoever.
Many people have asked us if we still “do it” and I’m always amazed,
because
all I have to do is look over at her and then get confused as to how
they
can ask me at least such a question, considering who I’m with.
The fact that I’m with V is such a grounding part of my life. I
know
it’s risky putting so much of me into her, but I can’t help it, and
thanks
whatever powers that be, probably the very same ones which brought
ibogaine
into my life, for bringing her and I together, and for keeping us in
constant contact and touch until we could get to a point in our lives
where
it became possible for us to become more than just friends but
partners.
I’ve been lucky in that I’ve had a few very special relationships
with a
few different women in my life, most of whom I do not know the
whereabouts
of these days much to my chagrin, but every other relationship I
ended up
screwing up over my drug abuse getting in the way of a healthy or
sane
relationship after a while. This time however, I seem to have really
been
steered to the one person who makes me whole as I can possibly be I
think.
Even at our moments of stress, I never forget that I am one of the
luckiest
men on the planet.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (OT) a couple photos

Oh so you saw my and Mathews photos and thought you poor ugly
bastards I
hope you get plastic surgery soon???????????? Huh??
lOl well mathew maybe not but me yehhhhh…………..and
BTW wheres your mug shot???? And you others…………….
Not being pushy or disrespecting your wish to remain physically
anonymous
bt
heyyyy Ya bunchah woosiesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
All in good fun
Kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx love u all

—–Original Message—–
From: SKALD VANASATRU [mailto:CoyDogsRock@webtv.net]
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 7:21 a.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (OT) a couple photos

Oh Preston, I just saw the photos you lucky, lucky man!
TIGERRIDER

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics
Date: June 25, 2005 at 7:49:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is this matthew?
no, its me….

who am i with?
muh lady.

Is this Matthew, and who are you with?
She’s a sweetheart looker.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

vainity fukn rocks!@#

c$jesschicago.jpg -> me and muh girl in chicago like a week ago
c$wtf.jpg -> i saw this sign and had to get my pic next to it

lubs yews!
n.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 25, 2005 at 6:10:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 6/25/05 5:13:44 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

SO PLEASE understand that I LIKE dealers no matter what, and in this
case the dealers are dealing positive light, love and energy. Nothing wrong
with that whatsoever- I just wish I could at THIS POINT figure out how
to cut out the middlemen and women and just do it myself with the opportunity
of calling for advice when needed the various sorts I know who might be
able to advise me.

Hi Preston,

Canada is to your north and mexico is to your south.

Ibogaine Treatment Centres and supply options

I anticipate you can figure out the rest. Visit a friendly country. Stay a
while.

Howard

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 25, 2005 at 5:40:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Didn’t mean to preach to the choir…and I often only open my mouth to
switch feet. I know you have more contact and experience, and I
humbly defer.
love
tink

On 6/25/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I’m not begruding anyone’s concern for my wellbeing, but I also, along with
other significant people I myself have spoken to who will remain nameless
feel there’s nothing wrong with obtaining ibogaine and letting it go at
that, without anyone else’s energy interceding. Again, I’m not cutting down
anyone for their care and conern, I love them for it. But jimmy cricket,
I’ve got other ideas too.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

On 6/24/05, Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
As my super-straight sister says to me too many times for comfort:
“It must be hard being you!” Funny when people say that to each
other, since all those esoteric teachings of us being all part of one
Whole make the individual ego experiences of “I” and “You” somewhate
dreamy veils of illusion. However temporarily the embodied brain
allows a given soul-entity to wonder at such ephemeral notions of not
being fragmented, still we carry these egos to function in this world.

I remember, back in February, seeing the personage of Preston Peet
rise painfully from his seat in front of us at COSM, regaled in
downtown finery and cosmetic glow, but moving slow, leaning hard on
the device that helped him walk. We hadn’t met yet, but I recognized
who he was. And compassion — feeling someone else’s pain as not
separate — welled up, while certain judgments culled reactively from
his prolific writing ability drained away. I could hear/feel/sense it
in my bones that E.T. voice going “oooucccch” empathetically and knew
that whatever Ibogaine can do towards regenerating the soft tissues of
corporeality, bones and metal plates are a different story.

I agree, Preston, that meeting each other diffuses the abstract
tension to conflicting ideas, and opens up more space for recognizing
the heart behind the heat. I do wish you didn’t have to bang your
pain meds to get relief, because it always sounds like once you move
back into that it sets off another cycle. I do wish your body wasn’t
suffering so…. I do wish… I do wish….

Academics tend to set up these typologies — maybe categories aren’t
always useful, but politically speaking, differentiating the TYPES of
opiate dependants and intoxicant vacationers who would likely benefit
from legal access to the Medicine might reduce the static between
interest groups. We are all along a spectrum, of course, of varying
needs…

However, the ax you keep grinding on about what are the
responsibilities of a provider is getting old. Providers do not seem
to me AT ALL as if they are “dealers” — and I object to your
slandering them in such a fashion out of personal pique at not getting
to play the game according to your rules. If anything from the world
of Babylon, they seem to me like a cross between pharmacists,
nurse-practitioners, and psychedelic-therapeutic guides. Because they
have to be practical about the limited distribution scope of their
resources, don’t you think? It’s still a Schedule 1 offense you are
asking someone else to risk, altruistic or not, with all the potential
for a wonderful Civil Rights case or not, and there’s an awful lot of
street junkies and the clinic-cuffed and Pharma-tricked out there
needing a chance to get clean too.

“Where did he get it???!?” someone I thought was pretty well superfly
connected in the “psychedelic” world said to me back in November,
three weeks into Jeff’s treatment, and all I could say was some
mumbled grateful pranams to the underground where the African
freedomroot travels on its new anti-addiction railroad. I hope to
never lose that gratitude, even as all the players shine their
headlights through these clouds of political pharmaceutical healing
games.

Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu…. May all beings in all the worlds be
happy.

xo rachy

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]
Date: June 25, 2005 at 5:21:28 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s a funny occurrence….Just now I was out back smoking a cig with my friend and we notice a beautiful bush growing along a fence in the alley behind our work, It has large orange bell like blossoms,” That is probably the same as Honeysuckle says my friend, lets see if there’s honey in the bottom of those flowers.”
“Okay.” I say…..after finding out the sap in the bottom of the flowers tasted like crud, we were informed about five minutes ago that we had ingested Trumpet Vine, it is listed on the internet as toxic.

hmm…I’m not too thrilled at this prospect, but I feel fine at 5+ minutes.

-Keith

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics
Date: June 25, 2005 at 5:17:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Is this Matthew, and who are you with?
She’s a sweetheart looker.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics

vainity fukn rocks!@#

c$jesschicago.jpg -> me and muh girl in chicago like a week ago
c$wtf.jpg -> i saw this sign and had to get my pic next to it

lubs yews!
n.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 25, 2005 at 5:15:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not begruding anyone’s concern for my wellbeing, but I also, along with other significant people I myself have spoken to who will remain nameless feel there’s nothing wrong with obtaining ibogaine and letting it go at that, without anyone else’s energy interceding. Again, I’m not cutting down anyone for their care and conern, I love them for it. But jimmy cricket, I’ve got other ideas too.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu…. May all beings in all the worlds be happy.

xo rachy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 25, 2005 at 5:13:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess it boils down to the fact that I personally don’t consider “dealer” a dirty word in the slightest- it is someone who enables me to buy my substances no matter what they are. In this regard, my dealers are more friends, and that’s very cool.
SO PLEASE understand that I LIKE dealers no matter what, and in this case the dealers are dealing positive light, love and energy. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever- I just wish I could at THIS POINT figure out how to cut out the middlemen and women and just do it myself with the opportunity of calling for advice when needed the various sorts I know who might be able to advise me.
It’s that simple.
With lots of love.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment

Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu…. May all beings in all the worlds be happy.

xo rachy

From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) in the spirit of posting pics
Date: June 25, 2005 at 4:18:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

vainity fukn rocks!@#

c$jesschicago.jpg -> me and muh girl in chicago like a week ago
c$wtf.jpg -> i saw this sign and had to get my pic next to it

lubs yews!
n.
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] strange stuff
Date: June 25, 2005 at 4:14:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

http://www.quantumfuture.net/store/downloads.php

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] relapse and treatment
Date: June 25, 2005 at 2:48:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lokah Samasta Sukhino Bhavantu…. May all beings in all the worlds be happy.

xo rachy

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 25, 2005 at 2:28:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes please! I went to the site and the noctilucent clouds were tripalicious! I probably can’t see the clouds from here but the planets will be cool too.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:20 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend

Indeed it will be!! There’s a map for the whole shebang if you go to
the space weather site, and a way to identify it all. I’m not sure
about the aurora borealis watch for your area, though. It’s usually in
the more Northern areas, but if you’re in Northern CA, well, maybe?
I also get the NASA list, which is seriously interesting if you’re as
big a freaky geek as I am….
I’ll send you more if you’d like
love
tink

On 6/25/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Sarah,
I love these types of phenomena, will they be visible in middle/northern California?

-Keith

Space Weather News for June 25, 2005
http://www.spaceweather.com

PLANETS ALIGN: Step outside tonight at sunset and look west toward
the glow of the setting sun. As soon as the sky gets dark, you’ll see
three planets–Venus, Mercury and Saturn–gathered close together not
far above the western horizon It’s a beautiful alignment. You have
three chances to see them: June 25th, June 26th and June 27th. A
clear view of the western horizon is key.

NOCTILUCENT CLOUDS: While you’re out looking at the planets, be alert
also for noctilucent clouds. They’ve been sighted over Europe and/or
Canada almost every day for the past two weeks. Noctilucent clouds
typically appear after sunset, glowing electric blue and crisscrossed
by many fine ripples and waves. Visit spaceweather.com to view
sample photos and to read about the mystery of this beautiful
phenomenon.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 25, 2005 at 2:19:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Indeed it will be!! There’s a map for the whole shebang if you go to
the space weather site, and a way to identify it all. I’m not sure
about the aurora borealis watch for your area, though. It’s usually in
the more Northern areas, but if you’re in Northern CA, well, maybe?
I also get the NASA list, which is seriously interesting if you’re as
big a freaky geek as I am….
I’ll send you more if you’d like
love
tink

On 6/25/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Sarah,
I love these types of phenomena, will they be visible in middle/northern California?

-Keith

Space Weather News for June 25, 2005
http://www.spaceweather.com

PLANETS ALIGN: Step outside tonight at sunset and look west toward
the glow of the setting sun. As soon as the sky gets dark, you’ll see
three planets–Venus, Mercury and Saturn–gathered close together not
far above the western horizon It’s a beautiful alignment. You have
three chances to see them: June 25th, June 26th and June 27th. A
clear view of the western horizon is key.

NOCTILUCENT CLOUDS: While you’re out looking at the planets, be alert
also for noctilucent clouds. They’ve been sighted over Europe and/or
Canada almost every day for the past two weeks. Noctilucent clouds
typically appear after sunset, glowing electric blue and crisscrossed
by many fine ripples and waves. Visit spaceweather.com to view
sample photos and to read about the mystery of this beautiful
phenomenon.

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 25, 2005 at 2:11:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sarah,
I love these types of phenomena, will they be visible in middle/northern California?

-Keith

Space Weather News for June 25, 2005
http://www.spaceweather.com

PLANETS ALIGN: Step outside tonight at sunset and look west toward
the glow of the setting sun. As soon as the sky gets dark, you’ll see
three planets–Venus, Mercury and Saturn–gathered close together not
far above the western horizon It’s a beautiful alignment. You have
three chances to see them: June 25th, June 26th and June 27th. A
clear view of the western horizon is key.

NOCTILUCENT CLOUDS: While you’re out looking at the planets, be alert
also for noctilucent clouds. They’ve been sighted over Europe and/or
Canada almost every day for the past two weeks. Noctilucent clouds
typically appear after sunset, glowing electric blue and crisscrossed
by many fine ripples and waves. Visit spaceweather.com to view
sample photos and to read about the mystery of this beautiful
phenomenon.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Planets Align this Weekend
Date: June 25, 2005 at 2:06:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com, Anne Parfitt <anne@gmavt.net>, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Space Weather News for June 25, 2005
http://www.spaceweather.com

PLANETS ALIGN: Step outside tonight at sunset and look west toward
the glow of the setting sun. As soon as the sky gets dark, you’ll see
three planets–Venus, Mercury and Saturn–gathered close together not
far above the western horizon It’s a beautiful alignment. You have
three chances to see them: June 25th, June 26th and June 27th. A
clear view of the western horizon is key.

NOCTILUCENT CLOUDS: While you’re out looking at the planets, be alert
also for noctilucent clouds. They’ve been sighted over Europe and/or
Canada almost every day for the past two weeks. Noctilucent clouds
typically appear after sunset, glowing electric blue and crisscrossed
by many fine ripples and waves. Visit spaceweather.com to view
sample photos and to read about the mystery of this beautiful
phenomenon.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!
Date: June 25, 2005 at 12:32:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nettle contains estrogen analogue(s), so use by men should receive
extra consideration. The estrogen analogue in soybeans/tofu has
been linked to doubled rates of dementia in older men. Nettle seems
to be in use for treatment of prostate enlargement, although higher
estrogen levels can also be a cause of prostate enlargement. Not a
simple subject!

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:47:13 -0700 Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
It appears to be an Australian thing – I just put “horseradish
hayfever”
into google and the first three sites that came up were all
Australian.
http://www.naturesown.com.au/hi-hayfever.php

have not tried the nettle..

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2005 1:00 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

Thank you, Boris!
I iddn’t know they made hosre radish tablets… Have you tried
the
stinging nettle?
love
tink
On 6/25/05, Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hey tink, one more suggestion for the allergy – I used to get
hayfever
pretty bad and found horseradish tablets helped at the time.
But if
you
get that sort of thing often, I found I much improved when I
started
doing tai chi.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 2:46 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

it or
it’s like 6 hours of dope sick. Anything at all with
restlessness
as a
side effect is horrible for me, including periactin,
seroquyl,
etc,(which I’m not taking for ANY reason, but found that out

the
hard
way at the Brattleboro Retreat last time I went in to detox
off of
methadone).
ANY suggestions GREATFULLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!
tinkachoo
kaffkaffsniffledribbletwitch

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Withdrawal pain
Date: June 25, 2005 at 12:14:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Neurontin (gabapentin) is prescribed for pain management in
general, and I have heard it’s easy to get at at least one
addiction treatment center. Some find it uncomfortable at higher
doses that are normally used. I know Brett on this list has no
affinity for it whatsoever 🙂 Low doses (300-400 mg) feel rather
different/subtle, and before bed can enable a very restful sleep.
It is also used as a mood stabiliser.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:02:43 -0700 “VanAllen, Keith G.”
<VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Hello All,

Does anyone have any suggestions for withdrawal pain? Is the pain
actual physical damage that has to heal over time?
I won’t bore anyone with a list of complaint’s but any thoughts
would be nice.

-Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Withdrawal pain
Date: June 25, 2005 at 12:02:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello All,

Does anyone have any suggestions for withdrawal pain? Is the pain actual physical damage that has to heal over time?
I won’t bore anyone with a list of complaint’s but any thoughts would be nice.

-Keith

From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!
Date: June 25, 2005 at 11:47:13 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It appears to be an Australian thing – I just put “horseradish hayfever”
into google and the first three sites that came up were all Australian.
http://www.naturesown.com.au/hi-hayfever.php

have not tried the nettle..

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2005 1:00 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

Thank you, Boris!
I iddn’t know they made hosre radish tablets… Have you tried the
stinging nettle?
love
tink
On 6/25/05, Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hey tink, one more suggestion for the allergy – I used to get
hayfever
pretty bad and found horseradish tablets helped at the time. But if
you
get that sort of thing often, I found I much improved when I started
doing tai chi.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 2:46 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

I have never had allergies like I’ve had this year so far, and I
don’t
know whether it was seasonal timing or what, but it seems as
though
it’s gotten a million times worse since my treatment. I can’t
breathe, I sneeze constantly, and it’s not that goosebumpy
ibogachoo
thingy any more. This is AGONY!! My head feels like it’s going to
implode, and Nasonex simply does NOT cut it. I have a constant
head
ache, my throat hurts, and i also have Restless Legs Syndrome-what
fun- and can’t take anything that has pseudoephedrine HCL in it or
it’s like 6 hours of dope sick. Anything at all with restlessness
as a
side effect is horrible for me, including periactin, seroquyl,
etc,(which I’m not taking for ANY reason, but found that out the
hard
way at the Brattleboro Retreat last time I went in to detox off of
methadone).
ANY suggestions GREATFULLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!
tinkachoo
kaffkaffsniffledribbletwitch

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!
Date: June 25, 2005 at 10:59:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you, Boris!
I iddn’t know they made hosre radish tablets… Have you tried the
stinging nettle?
love
tink
On 6/25/05, Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hey tink, one more suggestion for the allergy – I used to get hayfever
pretty bad and found horseradish tablets helped at the time. But if you
get that sort of thing often, I found I much improved when I started
doing tai chi.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 2:46 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

I have never had allergies like I’ve had this year so far, and I don’t
know whether it was seasonal timing or what, but it seems as though
it’s gotten a million times worse since my treatment. I can’t
breathe, I sneeze constantly, and it’s not that goosebumpy ibogachoo
thingy any more. This is AGONY!! My head feels like it’s going to
implode, and Nasonex simply does NOT cut it. I have a constant head
ache, my throat hurts, and i also have Restless Legs Syndrome-what
fun- and can’t take anything that has pseudoephedrine HCL in it or
it’s like 6 hours of dope sick. Anything at all with restlessness as a
side effect is horrible for me, including periactin, seroquyl,
etc,(which I’m not taking for ANY reason, but found that out the hard
way at the Brattleboro Retreat last time I went in to detox off of
methadone).
ANY suggestions GREATFULLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!
tinkachoo
kaffkaffsniffledribbletwitch

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] painkillers : help i’m on the abyss
Date: June 25, 2005 at 10:46:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Rach, you and Jeff have been so much support for me. Thanx a lot, I really appreciate what you said. I think I’ll try and find a karate class that will let me in. I won’t have to start over but I know I can’t remember all those kata’s. Sparring techniques and epon kumata I remember. I think I want to learn white crane better this time. I’m afraid if I get laid I’ll lose my mind. Maybe later, aaaaaaaaaaa much later. Love and one hits Randy

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 25, 2005 at 10:03:05 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i think you might be onto something with ur sawdust theory.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
thank you for all the replies! can´t reach him at the moment but will
forward everything.

again i want to say it was only an extremly small amount (i was
present).

before i had my own major ibo trip i once ate a few spoons of
unconcentrated rootbark and didn´t feel anything except that i had to
puke. now when i taste only a tiny tiny bit of HCl or even rootbark i
immediately feel a little rush going through my body and brain, like a
sense of recognition.

i don´t know if my friends reaction was due to the alkaloids or iboga
spirit or if the same would have happend if he had chewed on some
sawdust.

-ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 25, 2005 at 9:43:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for all the replies! can´t reach him at the moment but will forward everything.

again i want to say it was only an extremly small amount (i was present).

before i had my own major ibo trip i once ate a few spoons of unconcentrated rootbark and didn´t feel anything except that i had to puke. now when i taste only a tiny tiny bit of HCl or even rootbark i immediately feel a little rush going through my body and brain, like a sense of recognition.

i don´t know if my friends reaction was due to the alkaloids or iboga spirit or if the same would have happend if he had chewed on some sawdust.

-ekki

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho
Date: June 25, 2005 at 8:47:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

when you are with a good provider they will help you to change that panic
attack state of mind ,just by talking and breathing exercise,
if that doesn’t help a valium just knocks you out of that state of mind
for sure,
but if you have a good provider he will get into that fear while you
visualize the source of your fears and change that panic attack to a learning
experience and even realizing what is the best way to gain more balance
within.
which can be another type of treatment then psychedelics substances.

Starting a trip when you know that the person with you has an experience
Guiding people is just more relaxing for most people.

And many people come into a bitching state of mind few days after the trip
(Iboga) but feel nice again with mushrooms.
Bitching about…..is the source of their problems and they got to deal
with what
Is not so easy for them, be what ever it is they bitch about(the
reflection). At the same time they feel the glow, like mood swings within
few hours. This is when music can help alot.

Sara

As someone already said, sounds like a panic attack.. I had one while on
psilocybin mushrooms about 10 years ago and earned myself a nice dose of
PTSD. Took about 5 years to get through that and still don’t feel
completely right.

After that trip I was ok for about 2 months, took acid 3 days later even
(hey, it was new years eve, I wasn’t gonna miss out). Then it hit me and
I couldn’t leave my room for 2 weeks, convinced I had lost my mind.
When it first hit me (“fuck! Flash back! Schizophrenia! I am going to
bad trip forever! Why is God punishing me??!?!”), I asked my parents to
call an ambulance to take me somewhere padded with strong sedatives (
*stunned look* “What? Ambulance? But are you hurting somewhere? Why did
you eat poisonous mushrooms?”). During the trip I went to a doctor and
was given Valium and that sorted me out at the time. It was at a folk
music festival, so luckily there was a doctor in the emergency tent
there.

Anyway, this kind of experience can have a serious long term fallout.
You friend should get professional help.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 1:00 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga

a friend recently took a very tiny crumb of iboga root bark and chew
on
it for a while. he felt anxious immediatly. that was on monday. today
he calls me and said that he is close to madness and suicide since. he
doesn´t take any drugs.

since the amount of iboga he ingested was extremely small i don´t
think
it´s the chemical action of the ibogaine that triggered his psychosis
or whatever it is. he had similar states before without any contact
with iboga. actually he has a number of reoccuring problems – which he
thinks are somehow spiritual or psychosomatic – including depression,
shingles, pain in his nerves etc.

he asked about an antidote to ibogaine which i didn´t knew, and he
probably needs something different anyhow. we both agreed in that we
hope his discomfort is part of a larger healing process. it´s just
that
he feels so bad he says it´s life threatening. he got some valium for
emergency cases.

he got interested in ibogaine because he thought it might help him,
with it´s anti-depressant and anti-viral properties. he planed to do
ekg, blood/liver test etc. and then try iboga in late summer, first
taking a small dose, then later maybe a full trip. he handles anything
regarding his health with great caution and wouldn´t just buy some
iboga and gulp it down. last monday he only wanted to experience the
taste.

so any comments or suggestions?

ekki

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] At the end of the rainbow
Date: June 25, 2005 at 8:21:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Great piece, which I forwarded to my dj girlfriend’s email box, as I
thought she’d appreciate your article.
I think the whole dancing thing and community is something that might
be helpful to some (at least those able to dance for hours on end until
reaching trance state, something very difficult for me with back and leg
and stomach problems- yet there are times when I’ll hobble around the dance floor still, braced upon my cane, basically just swaying to the music if it’s something I really love of that I feel moves me, excusing the pun of
course), and I am very supportive of this idea and activity.

Thanks and yep, it can be extremely therapeutic. I know for Mandy its one of her favourite ways to get her mind off all the bullshit, and for me going to trance parties was a big part of my own recovery (from the bad trip crap that I just mentioned in another post). Exactly as you said – dancing for hours and just totally getting absorbed in the experience of pulsating whooshing sound and definitely the community feel too. The people I met in that scene changed my life for the better, and I hear the same sentiment from so many people who first come into the scene. And you don’t necessarily have to jump around for hours. I’ve seen people on the dancefloor in wheelchairs, just dancing with their hands, huge grins on their faces. Others just sit at the back with a beer or a joint or take the opportunity to go for a bushwalk and just spend some time with friends.
In the psy trance party scene the focus has always been on psychedelics and positive “spiritual” drug experience, being outdoors, connecting with nature, not day to day self abuse (although that element is there also, the drug aspect attracts that). For me I now realize I was inadvertently self medicating with ecstacy, which I found out some time later has been shown to be helpful in treating PTSD.
I should say the psy trance scene is totally apart from “raves” here in Australia. Don’t know what its like in the US. Different people, different music, different locations (outdoors! In the summer anyway).

What I am learning at the moment is that for different people recovering from addiction there are different paths to be taken, there is no set way to go to reach higher ground (no pun intended). In my efforts to help Mandy I have often found myself saying “why don’t you do this” and “that person does that”… But I found I need to take a bit of a step back and let her do it her own way a bit more. For example some people are obviously finding this list therapeutic, but for her its counterproductive – I show her some emails from here sometimes, so maybe she could relate, but it just ends up reminding her about drugs and results in cravings. Same thing with group therapy methods. She does however like the video games method – when the going gets tough she turns on the Gamecube and plays Zelda for a few hours…
Tink, if you’re reading this, I am finding myself relating to your family a bit, with the whole pressure and “get your shit together already, its been a fucking year” thing.. The fear and the pain people go through on our end of it drives us to lose patience, apply pressure, nag and condescend…. But its all because we care. You know that of course though.

Cheers
Boris

I’ve always
been pretty disgusted at the whole anti-rave movement (and anti-traveller)
amongst politicians in Britain and in the US. Don’t they have better more
constructive activities to undertake using our taxes? Like, say, giving me
and mine health insurance? Gesuz, sounds so logical to me.
Anyway, keep dancing.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] At the end of the rainbow

Seeing as I’ve been posting a bit and feeling strangely at home round here
and think I might stick around awhile, I want to share something I’ve
written too, by way of introducing myself a bit better.

It may not seem relevant at first, but I think it will become apparent
that
it is. Its about a music festival we have in Australia, called Rainbow
Serpant.

“At the end of the Rainbow”
http://www.inthemix.com.au/features/8539/

cheers
Boris

“At the end of the Rainbow
Reported on Monday, Jan 20, 2003. 16:51 by Infinafta

It is a dusty and dry Monday afternoon at the Rainbow Serpent Festival
2002, located two hours drive west of Melbourne. The festival has been
held
on Australia Day weekend for the last five years, this weekend drawing
about
four thousand revelers. It is the last of a string of such festivals held
along the east coast of Australia every summer.

A grove of trees in the middle of the campsite is serving as the final
refuge for the last remnants of festival goers – the three-day festival
may
be over, but the party continues. A dozen or so hammocks crisscross the
area
enveloped in a mesh of colorful banners and tarpaulins. A herd of combi
vans
and 4WDs surrounds the trees.

This is the only sound system, to still be pumping out the rhythms and
around three score trancers have descended on it, like brightly colored
moths around a flickering candle. The system is not officially part of the
festival, but a private “renegade” setup – one of several such systems at
the festival. About a dozen people are sporadically dancing to the
unobtrusive beats emanating from the speakers. In the distance the
festival
site is being dismantled and most of the campsite around us is empty.

Of the people around me, perhaps a third are from Melbourne and a third
from
other parts of Australia, mainly from Sydney and the NSW north coast, the
rest hailing from all corners of the globe – places such as Sweden, the
UK,
Greece, Israel and Japan.

Many of the faces surrounding me have become familiar over the last month
on
the festival trail. Of those unknown to me before many have become
friends,
others I have not officially met, but knowing smiles are exchanged
nonetheless on the chance passing. A primordial bond seems to have been
awoken within by the long nights and days spent stomping together, a
tribal
instinct dormant beneath the veneer of modern superficiality remembered.

Commenting on this experience of trance festivals, Lui, from Sydney, who
has
made the pilgrimage to every one of the last five RSFs, says, “The ritual
of
dancing outdoors in large groups of people is as old as time, and this is
the modern day version of it. I think Psy-Trance is a extremely tribal
experience.”

DJing under the name Raptor and promoting parties as part of the Yak and
Yeti crew, Lui has been a part of the Sydney trance underground since the
mid-nineties, recently launching his latest project, australiens.net, a
site
dedicated to the Australian Psy-Trance community.

He adds, “The festivals bring us all back to being part of something which
I
feel society has kind of lost – a real sense of community.”

Benjamin Richards, who organizes the Summer Dreaming festival outside
Sydney
as part of the Artcore collective, reaffirms these sentiments. In its 4th
year, this year’s SD festival, running on the weekend before Rainbow
Serpent, drew over 2000 people. Set in the spectacular Glenworth Valley,
north of Sydney, the festival was nestled in the lush greenness of the
valley, a river running through the campsite, with two nights of music
from
local and international DJs and live artists.
“I look at it like creating a biosphere, a miniature town or community
that
is constantly morphing and evolving into parts of space and time.”, says
Richards about the organization of SD. “… We create a platform that is
up
to the people we bring together to fill with energy and life. I just want
to
create the platform, have it reach far enough across the globe to bring
people from different cultures and persuasions together to create a unique
vibe and collective unconscious – the basis of the collective trance dance
experience. I have traveled the globe, partied on many different
continents,
I am monolingual, but have shared very special things with people that I
can’t
verbally communicate with, but for a certain space in time, we have walked
together and spiritually ascended. I hope to recreate that feeling on
others
that I have felt myself, something internally profound.”

When asked about the significance of his own experiences Richards relates,
“Trance for me is more personal, an explorative internal meditation that
makes me feel more connected to myself and to other people when I am in a
party environment. The thing that is so special about it for me is it
provides a soundscape that is open to your own interpretation… I want my
creative mind to be inspired.”

The themes of tribe, community and internal exploration weave a common
thread through the global trance culture, although simply having a bloody
good time dancing the night and day away to the music you love, all
cultural
inhibition abandoned, should not go unmentioned. The fact that the parties
are outdoor is also a huge drawing factor. When compared to the beauty of
the Australian bush or the beach, where the blue sky is your ceiling,
space
is virtually unlimited, and walking away from the party for some peace and
quiet you find yourself in the serenity of nature, rather than some seedy
back streets of the inner city, smoky, crowded clubs quickly lose their
appeal. Frequently parties and festivals are located near a swimming hole
or
the beach, providing an opportunity to cool off in the morning. The day
after the party is often whisked away in these beautiful surroundings, and
one finds themselves internally recuperated, rather than drained as is
usually the case after a night out on the town.

A brief look at the history of this elusive musical genre reveals much
about
the nature of the surrounding culture. An entity entirely apart from the
flamboyantly melodic and anthemic styles of Trance generally associated
with
clubs and raves – an association generally shunned within Psy-Trance
culture – Psychedelic Trance or Psy-Trance emerged from and subsequently
grew to encompass the Goa Trance sound that went through a brief but
intense
period of popularity in the mid-nineties. Goa, on the west coast of India,
has been a destination and a home to westerners in pursuit of altered
states
of consciousness through all night dancing under the influence of
psychedelics for over thirty years. The music at the parties on the
beaches
and in the jungle around Goa progressed from Reggae, Dub and Psychedelic
Rock in the 70s, to early House, Techno and Industrial sounds in the 80s.
DJs and musicians, inspired by their experiences in Goa, coming home,
wanted
to recreate the incredible vibe they had discovered at the parties there.
The club environment did not lend itself to this experience, so the
parties
were taken to the outdoors, the connection with nature seen as an
important
part of the psychedelic journey. At the same time, the music was sought to
push the experience further and thus out of the fusion of Acid House and
New
Wave Industrial, with a pinch of Psychedelic Rock thrown in, Goa Trance
was
born.

The genre was all but absent from the world of electronic music by the end
of 1997, going back into the underground, although in Israel its
popularity
never abated, with 30000 people turning out for a protest party in Rabin
Square, Tel Aviv in 1999, to protest the county’s draconian police policy
on
Trance events. Through a reinvention of itself as Psy-Trance however, the
culture survived and in the last three years has mushroomed in popularity,
with new artists and scenes popping up all over the world, from Mexico to
China. With a strong influence from Techno, the genre has diversified,
spawning a myriad of sub styles that have pushed musical boundaries in
completely new directions. For example, Minimal Trance has emerged as a
hypnotic and atmospheric style, possessing an entrancing ambience within a
structure of crunchy technoid beats. Other sub genres have drawn on
Breaks,
House and even Jazz and Heavy Metal.

Sharing some of the ideals with and indeed having its distant roots in the
60s counterculture, does not stop the new trance hippie culture from
simultaneously wholeheartly embracing technology, rejected by their
cultural
fore bearers. Trancers are acutely aware that the culture they love so
much
would not be possible without technology. Not only would the music not be
created or the parties produced, although surely the tribal trance dance
gathering predates the electronic gadgetry of today by some millennia, but
without the World Wide Web and email, not to mention relatively cheap
travel
costs, there would not be the possibility for the existence of the global
trance network that has emerged. In the last year or so, open-air Trance
festivals drawing thousands of partygoers, have been held in Morocco,
Brazil, Zambia, Portugal, Thailand, Greece and Germany. The biggest
festivals in Europe, such as Boom Festival held in Portugal in 2000 and
the
Solipse Solar Eclipse Festival in Hungary in 1999, have numbered 15 000 –
20
000 people.

On the subject of the role of technology in his life, Richards says “In my
home I am surrounded by computers and technology, my turntables for when I
want to create a flowing journey that lasts more than 10 mins, my studio
when I want to baffle over how to let out what is inside of me. I guess
that
is the other thing I love about trance and the outdoor festival scene – we
are utilizing state of the art technology in every way to create these
experiences and enriching them with the most powerful force in the
universe – Gaia.”

Another aspect often seen as inherent in this cyber hippie trance culture
is
the use of drugs and particularly psychedelics. LSD, Psilocybin Mushrooms
and Ecstasy are common at parties, while DMT and Salvia Divinorum are seen
by the more experienced as tools to explore further some of the realms
that
the psychedelic trance experience may have opened up. However many
trancers,
particularly those that have been involved with trance culture for many
years, preach caution in drug use and for many abstinence is seen as the
only way forward.

Shahar, who runs isratrance.com, one of the most popular Psy-Trance
related
websites on the Web, had the following to say on the subject: “I feel sad
that a lot of people are dependent on the use of the drugs to attain what
trance can offer them. Drugs may open a window for those that can’t open
it
themself, but to get there for real, you need to do it yourselves. Usually
the more you use drugs, the smaller and further the window becomes until
it
fades and disappears.”

“Trance can bring you consciousness naturally”, says Shahar, “ – just melt
yourself in the music and forget your body – it comes naturally and than
it
stays forever. A party can bring us back a unity we no longer have in our
lives – we have ourselves, family, and then its city, state. The tribe is
missing. When you dance all night and swap energies with the people around
you, discover their faces at sunrise and realize you already know them,
and
leave the party with the energy of 50-2000 people sharing, you get the
tribe
back in your life.”

And thus we return to the theme of the tribe.

This last year has taken me to the week long Exodus Festival near Byron
Bay,
The Awakening Festival near Brisbane, then down to Summer Dreaming near
Sydney and finally to the Rainbow Serpent near Melbourne. After each
festival more and more smiling faces on the dance floor have become
familiar. Experiences and journeys have been shared, the tribe has
expanded
and grown closer together. And although it is now time for some of us to
return to our home tribes, we return enriched with new friendships and
connections. Already there is talk of a visit to Europe for a run of the
festivals there on the home turf of some of my new friends.

As I sit back in a gently rocking hammock, I find myself becoming a little
nostalgic about the events of the last year. Scanning the saturnalian
party
aftermath around me, I smile to myself, remembering a joke someone had
made
in an Internet forum recently. “When you dance with the rainbow serpent,
the
rainbow serpent doesn’t change, the rainbow serpent changes you.”

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 25, 2005 at 7:53:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]  off topic but i get do  2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:02:09 +1200
>
>Well, excuseeeee me but I recently saw an Actors Studio of Johnny Depp and I
>love ‘im more than life issss sself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah self……….
>such a down to earth bloke, he roks in my opin-onion and that’s big coming
>from me
>
>Like Im so special hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like my opinion means jack
>
>Love to all
>
>Very happy kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
>Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 8:28 a.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
>
>
>
>
>
>You’ve got a lovely nose Preston , I was just envious of how svelte you
>looked in that little black number. btw, I can only think of one other
>gonzo/political journo who occasionally wore a dress, wrote abou his insane
>drug taking to vivid effect and he died by his own hand  –  Russian Roulette
>or not.  I’m not saying be worried, but avoid guns, strong liqour and Johnny
>Depp.  We all know guns and tequila can make things dead , but I’d keep one
>eye on Depp as well.    I’m actually returning the favour to you because of
>that subtle blend of pisstaking and genuinely inspiring advice you wrote to
>me a couple of days ago concerning my career as a writer . I will however
>probably ignore the advice because I’m a bit of a twat like that and that
>being my case I recommend  you do the same,  unless it’s something important
>like tracking down that ‘junkie Thomas’ who wrote all those great shorts
>that they list on that radical hippys website. – Whenever I’m in the mood, I
>devour them,  even the ones I’ve read 6 times already  –  Try and see if you
>can get them edited and published , you never know!…….Ok… ,  Later
>Preston !!
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:53 -0400
> >
> >Sjonnygee asked >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+
> >posts to this list in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating
> >the joys and woes of a drug laden/free life.<
> >
> >Speaking for myself only, this is my job, sitting at the computer
> >writing and reading all day long. So, when a spare thought or three
> >passes through my mind and I feel like sharing it, I do.
> >
> >>It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up and cancel
> >>band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop at
> >>anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know
> >>who your sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude
> >>you apply to a thread ?<
> >
> >Here’s the number 212-555-5555. Give hir a call. Attitude is always
> >good but might not get your rates increased as much as mine.
> >
> >>The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician
> >>, Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I
> >>was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and
> >>actively don’t wish to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian soldier
> >>shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil
> >>unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century Babri
> >>Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a round
> >>of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.<
> >
> >That “activist” rating I’m not sure counts sjonny, but it did make
> >me laugh out loud. I like the bio, and “dance percussion therapist”
> >sounds very cool.
> >
> >>So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves
> >>in to type …………Can I get a contract ?<
> >
> >Weeeelllllll, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are, I personally
> >decided I wanted to be a “writer” and get paid to do so. So I
> >started writing when I got home from my then-job putting together
> >the innards of such places as the Marvel Comics themed restaurant
> >out in Universal Studios in California (we built all the panels and
> >artistic stuff here in Manhattan, building these panels to make the
> >place look like a spaceship or something, among other
> >artsy-carpenterish jobs like that), because I could feel my body
> >rapidly approaching the point where I wasn’t going to be able to
> >continue with that sort of work, and wanted to do something where I
> >could say the things I thought needed saying (by me anyway) and if I
> >could get paid simultaneously, more power to me. So I wrote,
> >pitched, walked, mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, wrote, pitched,
> >mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, got shitloads of rejection slips and
> >then gradually started selling my writing.
> >    Put in the time, you too might be able to strap yourself to a
> >desk chair at home and type all the merry day long, adding attitude
> >here, taking it away there.
> >    At least you’ve got a band practice to cancel, which I envy.
> >;-))
> >    V loves my nose btw. And my dress(es). And she’s the one with an
> >opinion I really, really care about, so in that regard, I’ve few to
> >no complaints.
> >    Any other questions?
> >
> >Peace and love,
> >Preston
> >
> >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >often mistaken for madness”
> >Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> >Sept. 2005)
> >Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >Columnist New York Waste
> >Etc.
> >
> >—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:26 AM
> >Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
> >
> >
> >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list
> >in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of
> >a drug laden/free life.  It’s all I can do when I get home from work
> >to phone up and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week ,
> >I’m not having a pop at anyone here nor am I being argumentative ,
> >I’d just love to know who your sponsor is and does he increase the
> >rate the more attitude you apply to a thread ? -……….. and can
> >I get a cut.
> >       The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. –
> >Musician , Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once
> >told me I was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last
> >year and actively don’t wish to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian
> >soldier shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive
> >civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century
> >Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a
> >round of religious violence in which 3,000 people ied.}  – So who
> >does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to
> >type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a
> >Good dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off !
> >……….sjonny.
> >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>in August?
> >>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400
> >>
> >>to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not
> >>more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars
> >>being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a
> >>telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that
> >>article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter
> >>through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the
> >>moon with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of
> >>its brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only
> >>imagine how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or
> >>upstate in the mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of
> >>that nature. Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look
> >>through the telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there,
> >>including the guy with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing.
> >>
> >>
> >>Peace and love,
> >>Preston Peet
> >>
> >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >>often mistaken for madness”
> >>Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>
> >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> >>Sept. 2005)
> >>Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >>Columnist New York Waste
> >>Etc.
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”
> >><captkirk@free.net.nz>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>in August?
> >>
> >>
> >>>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003.  Must be a old
> >>>email
> >>>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!
> >>>Lol
> >>>Damn…
> >>>Oh well.
> >>>Kirk
> >>>
> >>>—–Original Message—–
> >>>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m.
> >>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>>in August?
> >>>
> >>>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened
> >>>already? I
> >>>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one
> >>>before to see
> >>>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.
> >>>And they
> >>>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so
> >>>buggered if I
> >>>know Preston!!!
> >>>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!!  I’m a
> >>>star gazer
> >>>by nature.
> >>>
> >>>—–Original Message—–
> >>>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m.
> >>>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> >>>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >>>August?
> >>>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>    Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about
> >>>how Mars
> >>>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?
> >>>Anyone
> >>>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so
> >>>I’ve no
> >>>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give
> >>>full
> >>>credit if I did know, but I don’t.
> >>>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever
> >>>going
> >>>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this
> >>>rock of a
> >>>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in
> >>>for a
> >>>fly-by):
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,
> >>>Earth
> >>>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in
> >>>the
> >>>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The
> >>>next
> >>>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s
> >>>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only
> >>>be
> >>>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last
> >>>5,000
> >>>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens
> >>>again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to
> >>>within
> >>>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
> >>>brightest
> >>>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and
> >>>will
> >>>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars
> >>>will be
> >>>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east
> >>>at
> >>>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.  By the end of August
> >>>when
> >>>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach
> >>>its
> >>>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to
> >>>see
> >>>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,
> >>>mark
> >>>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>>progressively
> >>>brighter and brighter throughout the month.
> >>><
> >>>
> >>>Peace and love,
> >>>Preston Peet
> >>>
> >>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >>>often
> >>>mistaken for madness”
> >>>Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>>
> >>>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >>>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >>>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >>>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >>>Civilizations,
> >>>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> >>>Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >>>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >>>Columnist New York Waste
> >>>Etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 25, 2005 at 7:52:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anyway, this kind of experience can have a serious long term fallout.
You friend should get professional help.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 1:00 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga

so any comments or suggestions?

ekki

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!
Date: June 25, 2005 at 7:40:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey tink, one more suggestion for the allergy – I used to get hayfever
pretty bad and found horseradish tablets helped at the time. But if you
get that sort of thing often, I found I much improved when I started
doing tai chi.

Cheers
Boris

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 2:46 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] MOTHER NATURE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!

I have never had allergies like I’ve had this year so far, and I don’t
know whether it was seasonal timing or what, but it seems as though
it’s gotten a million times worse since my treatment. I can’t
breathe, I sneeze constantly, and it’s not that goosebumpy ibogachoo
thingy any more. This is AGONY!! My head feels like it’s going to
implode, and Nasonex simply does NOT cut it. I have a constant head
ache, my throat hurts, and i also have Restless Legs Syndrome-what
fun- and can’t take anything that has pseudoephedrine HCL in it or
it’s like 6 hours of dope sick. Anything at all with restlessness as a
side effect is horrible for me, including periactin, seroquyl,
etc,(which I’m not taking for ANY reason, but found that out the hard
way at the Brattleboro Retreat last time I went in to detox off of
methadone).
ANY suggestions GREATFULLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!
tinkachoo
kaffkaffsniffledribbletwitch

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still OT) a couple photos
Date: June 25, 2005 at 6:00:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk wrote >Oh so you saw my and Mathews photos and thought you poor ugly bastards<

You sent us a photo of you Capt. Kirk? I don’t remember seeing that. I remember Mathews, and thinking how good he looked for a junkie, but don’t recall seeing a Cpt. Kirk photo here.
And I think he liked the highboots/fishnets/clingywhitedress thing Kirk. I enjoy a lot the fact that after almost nine years I still find her extremely attractive and get very excited by her with litte to no trouble whatsoever. Many people have asked us if we still “do it” and I’m always amazed, because all I have to do is look over at her and then get confused as to how they can ask me at least such a question, considering who I’m with.
The fact that I’m with V is such a grounding part of my life. I know it’s risky putting so much of me into her, but I can’t help it, and thanks whatever powers that be, probably the very same ones which brought ibogaine into my life, for bringing her and I together, and for keeping us in constant contact and touch until we could get to a point in our lives where it became possible for us to become more than just friends but partners.
I’ve been lucky in that I’ve had a few very special relationships with a few different women in my life, most of whom I do not know the whereabouts of these days much to my chagrin, but every other relationship I ended up screwing up over my drug abuse getting in the way of a healthy or sane relationship after a while. This time however, I seem to have really been steered to the one person who makes me whole as I can possibly be I think. Even at our moments of stress, I never forget that I am one of the luckiest men on the planet.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (OT) a couple photos

Oh so you saw my and Mathews photos and thought you poor ugly bastards I
hope you get plastic surgery soon???????????? Huh??
lOl well mathew maybe not but me yehhhhh…………..and
BTW wheres your mug shot???? And you others…………….
Not being pushy or disrespecting your wish to remain physically anonymous bt
heyyyy Ya bunchah woosiesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
All in good fun
Kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx love u all

Oh Preston, I just saw the photos you lucky, lucky man!
TIGERRIDER

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:02:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, excuseeeee me but I recently saw an Actors Studio of Johnny Depp and I love ‘im more than life issss sself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah self………………………… such a down to earth bloke, he roks in my opin-onion and that’s big coming from me
Like Im so special hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like my opinion means jack
Love to all
Very happy kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 8:28 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet

You’ve got a lovely nose Preston , I was just envious of how svelte you looked in that little black number. btw, I can only think of one other gonzo/political journo who occasionally wore a dress, wrote abou his insane drug taking to vivid effect and he died by his own hand – Russian Roulette or not. I’m not saying be worried, but avoid guns, strong liqour and Johnny Depp. We all know guns and tequila can make things dead , but I’d keep one eye on Depp as well. I’m actually returning the favour to you because of that subtle blend of pisstaking and genuinely inspiring advice you wrote to me a couple of days ago concerning my career as a writer . I will however probably ignore the advice because I’m a bit of a twat like that and that being my case I recommend you do the same, unless it’s something important like tracking down that ‘junkie Thomas’ who wrote all those great shorts that they list on that radical hippys website. – Whenever I’m in the mood, I devour them, even the ones I’ve read 6 times already – Try and see if you can get them edited and published , you never know!…….Ok… , Later Preston !!        >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:20:53 -0400 > >Sjonnygee asked >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+  >posts to this list in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating  >the joys and woes of a drug laden/free life.< > >Speaking for myself only, this is my job, sitting at the computer  >writing and reading all day long. So, when a spare thought or three  >passes through my mind and I feel like sharing it, I do. > >>It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up and cancel  >>band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop at  >>anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know  >>who your sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude  >>you apply to a thread ?< > >Here’s the number 212-555-5555. Give hir a call. Attitude is always  >good but might not get your rates increased as much as mine. > >>The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician  >>, Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I  >>was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and  >>actively don’t wish to do it again) – Adventurer(An indian soldier  >>shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil  >>unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century Babri  >>Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a round  >>of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.< > >That “activist” rating I’m not sure counts sjonny, but it did make  >me laugh out loud. I like the bio, and “dance percussion therapist”  >sounds very cool. > >>So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves  >>in to type …………Can I get a contract ?< > >Weeeelllllll, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are, I personally  >decided I wanted to be a “writer” and get paid to do so. So I  >started writing when I got home from my then-job putting together  >the innards of such places as the Marvel Comics themed restaurant  >out in Universal Studios in California (we built all the panels and  >artistic stuff here in Manhattan, building these panels to make the  >place look like a spaceship or something, among other  >artsy-carpenterish jobs like that), because I could feel my body  >rapidly approaching the point where I wasn’t going to be able to  >continue with that sort of work, and wanted to do something where I  >could say the things I thought needed saying (by me anyway) and if I  >could get paid simultaneously, more power to me. So I wrote,  >pitched, walked, mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, wrote, pitched,  >mailed, worked, wrote, wrote, got shitloads of rejection slips and  >then gradually started selling my writing. > Put in the time, you too might be able to strap yourself to a  >desk chair at home and type all the merry day long, adding attitude  >here, taking it away there. > At least you’ve got a band practice to cancel, which I envy. >;-)) > V loves my nose btw. And my dress(es). And she’s the one with an  >opinion I really, really care about, so in that regard, I’ve few to  >no complaints. > Any other questions? > >Peace and love, >Preston > >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  >often mistaken for madness” >Richard Davenport-Hines > >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com >Editor http://www.drugwar.com >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out  >Sept. 2005) >Cont. High Times mag/.com >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com >Columnist New York Waste >Etc. > >—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee . >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:26 AM >Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. > > >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list  >in 1 day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of  >a drug laden/free life. It’s all I can do when I get home from work  >to phone up and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week ,  >I’m not having a pop at anyone here nor am I being argumentative ,  >I’d just love to know who your sponsor is and does he increase the  >rate the more attitude you apply to a thread ? -……….. and can  >I get a cut. > The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. –  >Musician , Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once  >told me I was good), Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last  >year and actively don’t wish to do it again) – Adventurer(An indian  >soldier shot me in the arse in Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive  >civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners destroyed the 16th century  >Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that site, setting off a  >round of religious violence in which 3,000 people ied.} – So who  >does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to  >type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a  >Good dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off !  >……….sjonny. >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> >>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> >>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close  >>in August? >>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400 >> >>to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not  >>more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars  >>being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a  >>telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that  >>article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter  >>through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the  >>moon with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of  >>its brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only  >>imagine how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or  >>upstate in the mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of  >>that nature. Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look  >>through the telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there,  >>including the guy with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing. >> >> >>Peace and love, >>Preston Peet >> >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  >>often mistaken for madness” >>Richard Davenport-Hines >> >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  >>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out  >>Sept. 2005) >>Cont. High Times mag/.com >>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com >>Columnist New York Waste >>Etc. >> >>—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”  >><captkirk@free.net.nz> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close  >>in August? >> >> >>>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003. Must be a old  >>>email >>>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!  >>>Lol >>>Damn… >>>Oh well. >>>Kirk >>> >>>—–Original Message—– >>>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz] >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m. >>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close  >>>in August? >>> >>>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened  >>>already? I >>>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one  >>>before to see >>>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.  >>>And they >>>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so  >>>buggered if I >>>know Preston!!! >>>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!! I’m a  >>>star gazer >>>by nature. >>> >>>—–Original Message—– >>>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m. >>>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com >>>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in  >>>August? >>> >>>Hi all, >>> Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about  >>>how Mars >>>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?  >>>Anyone >>>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so  >>>I’ve no >>>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give  >>>full >>>credit if I did know, but I don’t. >>>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever  >>>going >>>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this  >>>rock of a >>>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in  >>>for a >>>fly-by): >>> >>>> >>>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,  >>>Earth >>>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in  >>>the >>>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The  >>>next >>>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s >>>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only  >>>be >>>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last  >>>5,000 >>>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens  >>>again. >>> >>> >>>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to  >>>within >>>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the  >>>brightest >>>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and  >>>will >>>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification >>> >>> >>>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars  >>>will be >>>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east  >>>at >>>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m. By the end of August  >>>when >>>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach  >>>its >>>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to  >>>see >>>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,  >>>mark >>>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow  >>>progressively >>>brighter and brighter throughout the month. >>>< >>> >>>Peace and love, >>>Preston Peet >>> >>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  >>>often >>>mistaken for madness” >>>Richard Davenport-Hines >>> >>>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com >>>Editor http://www.drugwar.com >>>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” >>>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  >>>Civilizations, >>>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005) >>>Cont. High Times mag/.com >>>Cont. 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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (OT) a couple photos
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:02:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh so you saw my and Mathews photos and thought you poor ugly bastards I
hope you get plastic surgery soon???????????? Huh??
lOl well mathew maybe not but me yehhhhh…………..and
BTW wheres your mug shot???? And you others…………….
Not being pushy or disrespecting your wish to remain physically anonymous bt
heyyyy Ya bunchah woosiesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
All in good fun
Kirk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx love u all

Oh Preston, I just saw the photos you lucky, lucky man!
TIGERRIDER

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:02:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn we can get so rapt up in
what we are “sposed ” to be and what were sposeed to be working on that we
simply and most easily forget to…………………JUST BE.
So in the infamous words of … um…………someone Hehheh
BE STILL.
AND KNOW
THAT YOU
AREEEEEEEEEE GOD.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 9:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston

Writing angry childish messages against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did not
help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody’s fault but your own Preston.<

Ok. Not sure I agree, but that’s cool, I’m not actually complaining, as much

as I’d have prefered to have gotten the dose I thought I was getting- I
consider the person who helped me out, the people who helped me out, as
friends, and have no complaints as to their putting themselves at risk more
than once to help me out. I’m sorry if that’s the impression you got. My
complaint, if that’s what you would like to call it, is that I thought I was

getting more than I was so didn’t get what I expect out of it- but then what

do I expect to get out of any of my experiences? I usuallly decide what I
got afterwards anyway, regardless of what I thought before going in, and
ibogaine was no different.
Otherwise, I really appreciated the rest of your note- I don’t blame
anyone ever for anything I do. I take full responsibility for who I am and
what I do, and I would think that obvious from any writing about myself I
ever do.
But that’s irrelevent to the list as a whole I suppose, and not
important to anyone but me. I certainly don’t think I’m “failing” at much of

anything, but do have some issues I work out on a daily basis, sometimes
getting more unsure than at others as to whether I’m really making the right

choices or not.
Ahh, whatever. Judgement calls, all the time, I make ’em, and so do a
lot of others too. “This drug good, this emotion bad, this statement
contradictory, this demand rational, this anger misplaced, this person an
asshole or an angel or blah blah blah.”
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston

Beautifully put Rachel and thank you.

The medicine belongs to all who need it, each to use in their own way. If
someone decide this is what is right for all, they are naive and coming
from a
place of ego.

with
massive dose of LSD. The reason all can communicate here and find
“underground
railroad” that America makes needed, is because he opened Mindvox to
ibogaine,
which again is against all that Dr. Mash has ever said because I am more
then
certain she’d happily agree with Preston as underground ibogaine being
drug
dealers, her quote is back room abortionists.

with
full doses and dozens or hundreds of lower dose “bioassays” which appear
with
him in some talk with psychedelic chemist Jonathan Ott. Patrick of course
has
not done any of that with Dr. Mash, because he took responsibility for
himself
and is high priest in world’s largest ibogaine hcl dealership 😉 I mean
to say
instead First church of ibogaine, Sacrament of Transition.

Any who think they have all right answers for everyone, are to say it
again
being naive at worst or drug dealers with messiah complex at best. Truth
is
also very simple, if you want to take control for yourself and own
actions,
then do it and take responsibility. Writing angry childish messages
against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did
not
help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody’s fault but your own Preston.

Ibogaine should be available to all is truth of course, War on drugs is
joke of
course made worse most of all by America where all of you live and have
this
sacred medicine in same category as heroin and crack. Almost nowhere else
in
the world is the situation like this.

Who is right I think is everyone for themselves. Being angry at someone
else
and blaming them for your failure (if that is what it is) or wanting them
to
act to you in some other way, is being a selfish child or addict 😉

If you want control for your own dose, then take control for your own
dose,
whining about this on the ibogaine list won’t change it. I don’t know
where
quote originates, Patrick said it in Jonathan Ott talk “love is given and
shared. Power is never given, it is taken. You do not ask permission”.

However you want to view it or sugar coat things, ibogaine is both healing

and
love, it is also power and very expensive drug in America where there is
so
little and so many need it

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:02:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Fear fear fear and more fear, not the drug, our fears of.. well, everything, even succeeding.
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 9:59 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga

From everything you said, including your friend saying he felt it was life threatening points to a panic attack, I’ve had them…….. years ago , and you DO THINK that you are dying , apart from pulse rate , adrenalin and irregular breathing you could better ask a docter…… but I would lay money on it, it’s severe panic – Take him to a consulant to alleviate his fears and teach him some very simple breathing patterns , absolute panic stoppers ….. sjonny
>From: HSLotsof@aol.com >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga >Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:20:45 EDT > >Without being present or providing medical advice, I would suggest that >whatever worked previously in the non-ibogaine situations would work equally well, >or not, in this case. Sounds like an anxiety reaction to me. Why doesn’t >your friend ask his doctor for a suggestion? There appears to be no adverse drug >interaction between ibogaine and benzodiazepines (valium) based on concurrent >use of benzodiazepines in ibogaine therapy for decades. However, his own >doctor should sign off on anything he does. > >Howard > >In a message dated 6/24/05 12:02:31 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes: > > >a friend recently took a very tiny crumb of iboga root bark and chew on > >it for a while. he felt anxious immediatly. that was on monday. today > >he calls me and said that he is close to madness and suicide since. he > >doesn´t take any drugs. > > >since the amount of iboga he ingested was extremely small i don´t think > >it´s the chemical action of the ibogaine that triggered his psychosis > >or whatever it is. he had similar states before without any contact > >with iboga. actually he has a number of reoccuring problems – which he > >thinks are somehow spiritual or psychosomatic – including depression, > >shingles, pain in his nerves etc. > > >he asked about an antidote to ibogaine which i didn´t knew, and he > >probably needs something different anyhow. we both agreed in that we > >hope his discomfort is part of a larger healing process. it´s just that > >he feels so bad he says it´s life threatening. he got some valium for > >emergency cases. > > >he got interested in ibogaine because he thought it might help him, > >with it´s anti-depressant and anti-viral properties. he planed to do > >ekg, blood/liver test etc. and then try iboga in late summer, first > >taking a small dose, then later maybe a full trip. he handles anything > >regarding his health with great caution and wouldn´t just buy some > >iboga and gulp it down. last monday he only wanted to experience the > >taste. > > >so any comments or suggestions? > > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > >
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:00:51 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heyyyyy sonny!!
I just accidentally overbid on a graphics card, so have to buy it on Monday!! Then I can play doom 3!!! Do you know how frustrating it is to have a copy and not be able to play it?????? Ahhhhhhhhhh
Heyyy try out www.trademe.co.nz still cheaper and loads of graphics cards.. that’s where I just got mine!!!!!!!!!
Good to see ya hear
Love heaos
Kirk xxz
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 10:36 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.

Hello ‘capt kirk’ – I just saw your post……. Welcome to you too …….damn I d/l ed New-Doom off dc and now graphics card isn’t quite up to it – looking for a 256MB ATi Radeon card to live upto the new wave of processors about to hit us. By the way , you can be sure I don’t pay your taxes ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok bye bye Capt. sjonny…. !!
>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.coms >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:53:27 +1200 > >Heyy Welcome Sjonny GEee!! > >Oops spelling is off tonight, been murdering monsters in hell whilst playing >Doom (plutonia) still a bit shakey from killing one of the big buggers. > >Well, how I manage to annoy the hell out of this list (*or at least that’s >what I’d like to think I do.*) is to be govt funded. I’m a General (I >generally do anything it takes to survive.) and until they stop bleeding >small businesses and others alive I at this unqualified stage cannot make >enough working!! Sad? Yes indeedy I love working. But I also like partial >sanity and my daughter.. > >Anywayyyy that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!! (and many thanks for >the taxes…I do work sometimes so I pretty much pay my own way, give or >take a few bucks lol) > >As for Preston n V… I;m not sure whose boots I wanna nick off with!!!! >Great pic I love the wedding card idea!!! It’s the kind of thing that would >definitely set my mother off on a long series of Conniption Fits. > >Ok, back to killing things…muhahahahaha > >Koiky > > > > > > _____ > >From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com] >Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:27 p.m. >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas. > > > >I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list in 1 >day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of a drug >laden/free life. It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up >and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop >at anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know who your >sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude you apply to a >thread ? -……….. and can I get a cut. > > The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician , >Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I was good), >Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and actively don’t wish >to do it again) – Adventurer(An indian soldier shot me in the arse in >Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners >destroyed the 16th century Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that >site, setting off a round of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.} >- So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to >type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a Good >dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off ! ……….sjonny. > > >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> > >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in >August? > >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400 > > > >to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not > >more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars > >being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a > >telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that > >article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter > >through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the moon > >with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of its > >brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only imagine > >how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or upstate in the > >mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of that nature. > >Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look through the > >telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there, including the guy > >with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing. > > > > > >Peace and love, > >Preston Peet > > > >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > >often mistaken for madness” > >Richard Davenport-Hines > > > >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com > >Editor http://www.drugwar.com > >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” > >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out > >Sept. 2005) > >Cont. High Times mag/.com > >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com > >Columnist New York Waste > >Etc. > > > >—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” > ><captkirk@free.net.nz> > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM > >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in > >August? > > > > > >>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003. Must be a old > >>email > >>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!! > >>Lol > >>Damn… > >>Oh well. > >>Kirk > >> > >>—–Original Message—– > >>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz] > >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m. > >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close > >>in August? > >> > >>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened > >>already? I > >>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one before > >>to see > >>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait. > >>And they > >>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so > >>buggered if I > >>know Preston!!! > >>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!! I’m a > >>star gazer > >>by nature. > >> > >>—–Original Message—– > >>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] > >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m. > >>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com > >>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in > >>August? > >> > >>Hi all, > >> Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about > >>how Mars > >>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history? > >>Anyone > >>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so > >>I’ve no > >>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give > >>full > >>credit if I did know, but I don’t. > >>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever > >>going > >>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this > >>rock of a > >>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in > >>for a > >>fly-by): > >> > >>> > >>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, > >>Earth > >>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the > >>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The > >>next > >>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s > >>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only > >>be > >>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last > >>5,000 > >>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens > >>again. > >> > >> > >>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to > >>within > >>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the > >>brightest > >>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and > >>will > >>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification > >> > >> > >>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars > >>will be > >>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east > >>at > >>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m. By the end of August > >>when > >>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach > >>its > >>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to > >>see > >>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, > >>mark > >>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow > >>progressively > >>brighter and brighter throughout the month. > >>< > >> > >>Peace and love, > >>Preston Peet > >> > >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > >>often > >>mistaken for madness” > >>Richard Davenport-Hines > >> > >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com > >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com > >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs” > >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > >>Civilizations, > >>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005) > >>Cont. 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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] LSD addiction ?!!?
Date: June 25, 2005 at 3:00:51 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am very interested in this , yeh so who does find out whatever……..
I have an ex neighbour from where I liveed, always keep in touch.. he goes thru cycles so I gave him the info on neurontin to talk out with his doc, his cycles are such you can keep your calendar by them.
From: Klatuu02@aol.com [mailto:Klatuu02@aol.com]  Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 10:48 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LSD addiction ?!!?

In a message dated 6/23/2005 11:19:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bleshins@bigpond.net.au writes:
Actually, the reason I was looking at that is that I read an article somewhere that said LSD promotes growth (repair?) of dopamine receptors. Cant find that article now.  Has anyone read or knows anything about this?  Boris
If anyone does find this article I would love to read it..whether posted
or email

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 25, 2005 at 1:25:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree with Nick. For an antidote, I suggest salty food and a bath
in epsom salts. He might also look into improving nutrition and
vitamins generally if this is a weak area for him.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:29:38 -0700 Nick Sandberg
<nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Ekki,

From what you’ve put down, I don’t think this guy should take a
full dose of
iboga. If he manifests a strong reaction from such a tiny dose,
however it’s
actually being caused, I don’t think it’s good to take more.
Better he
starts working one-to-one or in groups, talking about feelings,
childhood,
this kind of stuff. About spiritual/psychosomatic, maybe that’s
what it is
but it’s still needed to talk about where you are emotionally and
socially
to help get more integrated.

Something I’ve noticed over the years is that a fairly big sub-
group of the
people that are attracted to ibogaine therapy seem to be so
because they
want to “go it alone.” They want to get off drugs or move on in
life but
they want to do it THEIR OWN WAY! No therapists, no groups, no
rehab, this
kind of thing, you just take a drug and then hang out. They don’t
want to
let others in so much, except where they can keep control. It’s
ok, and for
some the ibo will maybe do something, but for a lot no. It’s not
gonna be
their path and at some stage they’ll have to trust a bit more and
take the
plunge into more revealing work.

This is just my personal opinion. I’m qualified as therapist but
not a
psychiatrist so I’m not an expert about psychosis.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 24 June 2005 16:00
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga

a friend recently took a very tiny crumb of iboga root bark and
chew on
it for a while. he felt anxious immediatly. that was on monday.
today
he calls me and said that he is close to madness and suicide
since. he
doesnīt take any drugs.

since the amount of iboga he ingested was extremely small i
donīt think
itīs the chemical action of the ibogaine that triggered his
psychosis
or whatever it is. he had similar states before without any
contact
with iboga. actually he has a number of reoccuring problems –
which he
thinks are somehow spiritual or psychosomatic – including
depression,
shingles, pain in his nerves etc.

he asked about an antidote to ibogaine which i didnīt knew, and
he
probably needs something different anyhow. we both agreed in
that we
hope his discomfort is part of a larger healing process. itīs
just that
he feels so bad he says itīs life threatening. he got some
valium for
emergency cases.

he got interested in ibogaine because he thought it might help
him,
with itīs anti-depressant and anti-viral properties. he planed
to do
ekg, blood/liver test etc. and then try iboga in late summer,
first
taking a small dose, then later maybe a full trip. he handles
anything
regarding his health with great caution and wouldnīt just buy
some
iboga and gulp it down. last monday he only wanted to experience

the
taste.

so any comments or suggestions?

ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Not flunking yet, but give me 24 hours…
Date: June 24, 2005 at 11:34:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So I didn’t flunk out and only have to doctor an annoted bibliography
to fix everything and make everyone happy. Amazing how I can stress
myself to the gills in no time. I am a bit in the dog house, but
because I have been so honest about where I was coming from and what
I’ve been doing, the staff are being phenomenally lenient with me. I
know this sounds absolutely ridiculous, but it almost pisses me off.
I really am my own worsed enemy and critic. WTF!!
Anyhoo, I have lemon tea and some sort of cold medicine and am praying
for my throat to reopen and my ear to start working again. I can no
longer swallow, and i’m beginning to wonder if this is and allergy or
some sort of alien infestion growing in my sinuses and just waiting to
claw it’s way out when it reaches the end of it’s gestation period.
Green snot is not a good sign. I feel like a 5 year old, and would
gladly curl up on a couch with a box of tissue and Sesame Street and
soup if I could.
Anyhoo, thanks all for dealing with tinker-rant. Now here’s to this
cold medicine not kicking in the twitchies…
love to all
tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston
Date: June 24, 2005 at 11:23:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,
You sound like you’re having a hell of a time of it, and I just wanted
to say hi and send you a hug.
love
tink

On 6/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Writing angry childish messages against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did not
help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody’s fault but your own Preston.<

Ok. Not sure I agree, but that’s cool, I’m not actually complaining, as much
as I’d have prefered to have gotten the dose I thought I was getting- I
consider the person who helped me out, the people who helped me out, as
friends, and have no complaints as to their putting themselves at risk more
than once to help me out. I’m sorry if that’s the impression you got. My
complaint, if that’s what you would like to call it, is that I thought I was
getting more than I was so didn’t get what I expect out of it- but then what
do I expect to get out of any of my experiences? I usuallly decide what I
got afterwards anyway, regardless of what I thought before going in, and
ibogaine was no different.
Otherwise, I really appreciated the rest of your note- I don’t blame
anyone ever for anything I do. I take full responsibility for who I am and
what I do, and I would think that obvious from any writing about myself I
ever do.
But that’s irrelevent to the list as a whole I suppose, and not
important to anyone but me. I certainly don’t think I’m “failing” at much of
anything, but do have some issues I work out on a daily basis, sometimes
getting more unsure than at others as to whether I’m really making the right
choices or not.
Ahh, whatever. Judgement calls, all the time, I make ’em, and so do a
lot of others too. “This drug good, this emotion bad, this statement
contradictory, this demand rational, this anger misplaced, this person an
asshole or an angel or blah blah blah.”
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

Beautifully put Rachel and thank you.

The medicine belongs to all who need it, each to use in their own way. If
someone decide this is what is right for all, they are naive and coming
from a
place of ego.

I found this place through Patrick, who did almost nothing except take
control
from the day he got clean with Dr. Mash. He failed or was thrown out of
her
“aftercare” treatments, went to ashram in Thailand and found himself again
with
massive dose of LSD. The reason all can communicate here and find
“underground
railroad” that America makes needed, is because he opened Mindvox to
ibogaine,
which again is against all that Dr. Mash has ever said because I am more
then
certain she’d happily agree with Preston as underground ibogaine being
drug
dealers, her quote is back room abortionists.

Ultimate irony is of course that she take full credit for Patrick,
introduce
him as her son and the biggest mess who is biggest success. Same idea
apply
last time Patrick said I think he said he had done ibogaine 15 or 16 times
with
full doses and dozens or hundreds of lower dose “bioassays” which appear
with
him in some talk with psychedelic chemist Jonathan Ott. Patrick of course
has
not done any of that with Dr. Mash, because he took responsibility for
himself
and is high priest in world’s largest ibogaine hcl dealership 😉 I mean
to say
instead First church of ibogaine, Sacrament of Transition.

However you want to view it or sugar coat things, ibogaine is both healing
and
love, it is also power and very expensive drug in America where there is
so
little and so many need it

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

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From: Klatuu02@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LSD addiction ?!!?
Date: June 24, 2005 at 6:47:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 6/23/2005 11:19:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bleshins@bigpond.net.au writes:

Actually, the reason I was looking at that is that I read an article somewhere that said LSD promotes growth (repair?) of dopamine receptors. Cant find that article now.

Has anyone read or knows anything about this?

Boris

If anyone does find this article I would love to read it..whether posted
or email

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: June 24, 2005 at 6:36:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.coms
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:53:27 +1200
>
>Heyy Welcome Sjonny GEee!!
>
>Oops spelling is off tonight, been murdering monsters in hell whilst playing
>Doom (plutonia) still a bit shakey from killing one of the big buggers.
>
>Well, how I manage to annoy the hell out of this list (*or at least that’s
>what I’d like to think I do.*) is to be govt funded.  I’m a General (I
>generally do anything it takes to survive.) and until they stop bleeding
>small businesses and others alive I at this unqualified stage cannot make
>enough working!! Sad? Yes indeedy I love working. But I also like partial
>sanity and my daughter..
>
>Anywayyyy that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!!  (and many thanks for
>the taxes…I do work sometimes so I pretty much pay my own way, give or
>take a few bucks lol)
>
>As for Preston n V… I;m not sure whose boots I wanna nick off with!!!!
>Great pic I love the wedding card idea!!!  It’s the kind of thing that would
>definitely set my mother off on a long series of Conniption Fits.
>
>Ok, back to killing things…muhahahahaha
>
>Koiky
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:27 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
>
>
>
>I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list in 1
>day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of a drug
>laden/free life.  It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up
>and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop
>at anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know who your
>sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude you apply to a
>thread ? -……….. and can I get a cut.
>
>        The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician ,
>Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I was good),
>Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and actively don’t wish
>to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian soldier shot me in the arse in
>Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners
>destroyed the 16th century Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that
>site, setting off a round of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.}
>- So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to
>type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a Good
>dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off ! ……….sjonny.
>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
>August?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400
> >
> >to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not
> >more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars
> >being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a
> >telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that
> >article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter
> >through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the moon
> >with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of its
> >brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only imagine
> >how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or upstate in the
> >mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of that nature.
> >Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look through the
> >telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there, including the guy
> >with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing.
> >
> >
> >Peace and love,
> >Preston Peet
> >
> >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >often mistaken for madness”
> >Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> >Sept. 2005)
> >Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >Columnist New York Waste
> >Etc.
> >
> >—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”
> ><captkirk@free.net.nz>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >August?
> >
> >
> >>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003.  Must be a old
> >>email
> >>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!
> >>Lol
> >>Damn…
> >>Oh well.
> >>Kirk
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m.
> >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>in August?
> >>
> >>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened
> >>already? I
> >>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one before
> >>to see
> >>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.
> >>And they
> >>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so
> >>buggered if I
> >>know Preston!!!
> >>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!!  I’m a
> >>star gazer
> >>by nature.
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m.
> >>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >>August?
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>    Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about
> >>how Mars
> >>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?
> >>Anyone
> >>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so
> >>I’ve no
> >>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give
> >>full
> >>credit if I did know, but I don’t.
> >>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever
> >>going
> >>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this
> >>rock of a
> >>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in
> >>for a
> >>fly-by):
> >>
> >>>
> >>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,
> >>Earth
> >>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the
> >>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The
> >>next
> >>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s
> >>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only
> >>be
> >>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last
> >>5,000
> >>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens
> >>again.
> >>
> >>
> >>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to
> >>within
> >>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
> >>brightest
> >>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and
> >>will
> >>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification
> >>
> >>
> >>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars
> >>will be
> >>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east
> >>at
> >>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.  By the end of August
> >>when
> >>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach
> >>its
> >>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to
> >>see
> >>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,
> >>mark
> >>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>progressively
> >>brighter and brighter throughout the month.
> >><
> >>
> >>Peace and love,
> >>Preston Peet
> >>
> >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >>often
> >>mistaken for madness”
> >>Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>
> >>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >>Civilizations,
> >>Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> >>Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >>Columnist New York Waste
> >>Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 24, 2005 at 6:21:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Like i’ve already posted I think it’s a panic attack , me studying medicine for 18 months in my bedroom as a 16 year old reading from ‘abused drugs books’ qualifies me to diagnose this.  I’m actually writing to tell you my Ibogaine provider/treatment therapist says exactly the same about ‘going it alone ‘ as you mention in the 2nd paragraph – some providers with zilch knowledge or delusions about their own knowledge/experience can and do exacerbate the whole problem .. cheers Nick…… sjonny !!
>From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga >Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:29:38 +0100 > >Hi Ekki, > >From what you’ve put down, I don’t think this guy should take a full dose of >iboga. If he manifests a strong reaction from such a tiny dose, however it’s >actually being caused, I don’t think it’s good to take more. Better he >starts working one-to-one or in groups, talking about feelings, childhood, >this kind of stuff. About spiritual/psychosomatic, maybe that’s what it is >but it’s still needed to talk about where you are emotionally and socially >to help get more integrated. > >Something I’ve noticed over the years is that a fairly big sub-group of the >people that are attracted to ibogaine therapy seem to be so because they >want to “go it alone.” They want to get off drugs or move on in life but >they want to do it THEIR OWN WAY! No therapists, no groups, no rehab, this >kind of thing, you just take a drug and then hang out. They don’t want to >let others in so much, except where they can keep control. It’s ok, and for >some the ibo will maybe do something, but for a lot no. It’s not gonna be >their path and at some stage they’ll have to trust a bit more and take the >plunge into more revealing work. > >This is just my personal opinion. I’m qualified as therapist but not a >psychiatrist so I’m not an expert about psychosis. > >Nick > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de] > > Sent: 24 June 2005 16:00 > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > > Subject: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga > > > > > > a friend recently took a very tiny crumb of iboga root bark and chew on > > it for a while. he felt anxious immediatly. that was on monday. today > > he calls me and said that he is close to madness and suicide since. he > > doesnīt take any drugs. > > > > since the amount of iboga he ingested was extremely small i donīt think > > itīs the chemical action of the ibogaine that triggered his psychosis > > or whatever it is. he had similar states before without any contact > > with iboga. actually he has a number of reoccuring problems – which he > > thinks are somehow spiritual or psychosomatic – including depression, > > shingles, pain in his nerves etc. > > > > he asked about an antidote to ibogaine which i didnīt knew, and he > > probably needs something different anyhow. we both agreed in that we > > hope his discomfort is part of a larger healing process. itīs just that > > he feels so bad he says itīs life threatening. he got some valium for > > emergency cases. > > > > he got interested in ibogaine because he thought it might help him, > > with itīs anti-depressant and anti-viral properties. he planed to do > > ekg, blood/liver test etc. and then try iboga in late summer, first > > taking a small dose, then later maybe a full trip. he handles anything > > regarding his health with great caution and wouldnīt just buy some > > iboga and gulp it down. last monday he only wanted to experience the > > taste. > > > > so any comments or suggestions? > > > > > > ekki > > > > > > > > > > /]=————————————————————— > > ——=[\ > > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: > > http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > > > > \]=————————————————————— > > ——=[/ > > > > > > > > > > /]=———————————————————————=[\ > [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] > \]=———————————————————————=[/ > >
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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] a dosed no hitter…
Date: June 24, 2005 at 6:06:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just saw this….apparently true….
http://www.dallasobserver.com/Issues/2005-06-16/news/feature_print.html
Pitch Freely!
Jeff

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
Date: June 24, 2005 at 5:59:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>From: HSLotsof@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psycho after tasting iboga
>Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:20:45 EDT
>
>Without being present or providing medical advice, I would suggest that
>whatever worked previously in the non-ibogaine situations would work equally well,
>or not, in this case.  Sounds like an anxiety reaction to me.  Why doesn’t
>your friend ask his doctor for a suggestion?  There appears to be no adverse drug
>interaction between ibogaine and benzodiazepines (valium) based on concurrent
>use of benzodiazepines in ibogaine therapy for decades.  However, his own
>doctor should sign off on anything he does.
>
>Howard
>
>In a message dated 6/24/05 12:02:31 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
>
> >a friend recently took a very tiny crumb of iboga root bark and chew on
> >it for a while. he felt anxious immediatly. that was on monday. today
> >he calls me and said that he is close to madness and suicide since. he
> >doesnīt take any drugs.
>
> >since the amount of iboga he ingested was extremely small i donīt think
> >itīs the chemical action of the ibogaine that triggered his psychosis
> >or whatever it is. he had similar states before without any contact
> >with iboga. actually he has a number of reoccuring problems – which he
> >thinks are somehow spiritual or psychosomatic – including depression,
> >shingles, pain in his nerves etc.
>
> >he asked about an antidote to ibogaine which i didnīt knew, and he
> >probably needs something different anyhow. we both agreed in that we
> >hope his discomfort is part of a larger healing process. itīs just that
> >he feels so bad he says itīs life threatening. he got some valium for
> >emergency cases.
>
> >he got interested in ibogaine because he thought it might help him,
> >with itīs anti-depressant and anti-viral properties. he planed to do
> >ekg, blood/liver test etc. and then try iboga in late summer, first
> >taking a small dose, then later maybe a full trip. he handles anything
> >regarding his health with great caution and wouldnīt just buy some
> >iboga and gulp it down. last monday he only wanted to experience the
> >taste.
>
> >so any comments or suggestions?
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston
Date: June 24, 2005 at 5:08:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Writing angry childish messages against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did not
help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody’s fault but your own Preston.<

Ok. Not sure I agree, but that’s cool, I’m not actually complaining, as much as I’d have prefered to have gotten the dose I thought I was getting- I consider the person who helped me out, the people who helped me out, as friends, and have no complaints as to their putting themselves at risk more than once to help me out. I’m sorry if that’s the impression you got. My complaint, if that’s what you would like to call it, is that I thought I was getting more than I was so didn’t get what I expect out of it- but then what do I expect to get out of any of my experiences? I usuallly decide what I got afterwards anyway, regardless of what I thought before going in, and ibogaine was no different.
Otherwise, I really appreciated the rest of your note- I don’t blame anyone ever for anything I do. I take full responsibility for who I am and what I do, and I would think that obvious from any writing about myself I ever do.
But that’s irrelevent to the list as a whole I suppose, and not important to anyone but me. I certainly don’t think I’m “failing” at much of anything, but do have some issues I work out on a daily basis, sometimes getting more unsure than at others as to whether I’m really making the right choices or not.
Ahh, whatever. Judgement calls, all the time, I make ’em, and so do a lot of others too. “This drug good, this emotion bad, this statement contradictory, this demand rational, this anger misplaced, this person an asshole or an angel or blah blah blah.”
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston

Beautifully put Rachel and thank you.

The medicine belongs to all who need it, each to use in their own way. If
someone decide this is what is right for all, they are naive and coming from a
place of ego.

I found this place through Patrick, who did almost nothing except take control
from the day he got clean with Dr. Mash. He failed or was thrown out of her
“aftercare” treatments, went to ashram in Thailand and found himself again with
massive dose of LSD. The reason all can communicate here and find “underground
railroad” that America makes needed, is because he opened Mindvox to ibogaine,
which again is against all that Dr. Mash has ever said because I am more then
certain she’d happily agree with Preston as underground ibogaine being drug
dealers, her quote is back room abortionists.

Ultimate irony is of course that she take full credit for Patrick, introduce
him as her son and the biggest mess who is biggest success. Same idea apply
last time Patrick said I think he said he had done ibogaine 15 or 16 times with
full doses and dozens or hundreds of lower dose “bioassays” which appear with
him in some talk with psychedelic chemist Jonathan Ott. Patrick of course has
not done any of that with Dr. Mash, because he took responsibility for himself
and is high priest in world’s largest ibogaine hcl dealership 😉 I mean to say
instead First church of ibogaine, Sacrament of Transition.

Any who think they have all right answers for everyone, are to say it again
being naive at worst or drug dealers with messiah complex at best. Truth is
also very simple, if you want to take control for yourself and own actions,
then do it and take responsibility. Writing angry childish messages against
those who have risked so much to help you and complaining that they did not
help you exactly how you wanted, is nobody’s fault but your own Preston.

Ibogaine should be available to all is truth of course, War on drugs is joke of
course made worse most of all by America where all of you live and have this
sacred medicine in same category as heroin and crack. Almost nowhere else in
the world is the situation like this.

Who is right I think is everyone for themselves. Being angry at someone else
and blaming them for your failure (if that is what it is) or wanting them to
act to you in some other way, is being a selfish child or addict 😉

If you want control for your own dose, then take control for your own dose,
whining about this on the ibogaine list won’t change it. I don’t know where
quote originates, Patrick said it in Jonathan Ott talk “love is given and
shared. Power is never given, it is taken. You do not ask permission”.

However you want to view it or sugar coat things, ibogaine is both healing and
love, it is also power and very expensive drug in America where there is so
little and so many need it

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] off topic but i get do 2 ks (hcl) ! ………Mr.Peet
Date: June 24, 2005 at 4:28:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thank you Rachel and for Preston
Date: June 24, 2005 at 3:22:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com