Ibogaine List Archives - 2004-11

From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sacrament of Transition
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:29:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Sacrament list has been open for over a year at this point, but not completely on. As of last week, it is fully operational. You can sign onto it by sending email to:

sacrament-subscribe@mindvox.com

The list is provided by Sacrament of Transition, which is a registered religion in the country of Slovenia. I think it’s highly cool, but then, I’m somewhat biased, being a higH Priest. All that being said, the sacrament is much better than those white wafer things — please pass the guilt — they always gave me before I got thrown out of parochial skoOl.

The list itself does not focus on any particular religion. We’ve got pretty much everybody here from the Bwiti to born-again Christians, and everybody is welcome to take part.

The focus is on the spiritual aspects of ibogaine. SPIRITUALITY not RELIGION. Please do not feel compelled to hammer your particular brand of dogma down other people’s throats; somebody could choke on all that and then turn around and sue you.

I don’t think anybody is searching for the ONE TRUE ANSWER — but just in case you are, I’m sure that half a dozen people swathed within the soothing glow of their messianic complex in full bloom, will be happy to share all of life’s answers… Uhm, I meant to say: please try to be respectful of other people, their belief systems, and opinions.

And, if at all possible, just be aware that the ibogaine EVERYTHING forum, is right HERE. Try not to drag war stories, junkie coffee talk, and politics, into the sacrament area.

Thanks,

Patrick / Sacrament of Transition

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From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Ibogaine List
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:24:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Nov 27, 2004, at 4:54 AM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

Kirsty, grass skirts and dirt huts? Man that sounds good. I know your kidding but everyone down south in the states goes barefoot and has a straw in their mouth and we won’t talk about the sheep. That is a joke. Sometimes I get misunderstood. Anyway, as they say in the rooms “we need em all”. Words of wisdom or reminders of what not to do we need them all. From now on I will think of the penguins Preston sent to us and try and refrain from verbal barbs. We ought to ask Patrick what he thinks ought to be on the list. I think I already know. He’s as twisted as most of here and I love him for it. O MY GOD. Help, I’m a Patrick groupie. I won’t screw him but I will twist up a fat one and hold a gun to his head and make him smoke it. Blueberry. I joke but what the hell, we all could use a laugh every once in a while. This list has been my saving grace. I think that is what Patrick has in mind. For me and you and everyone else who stumbles upon it. Randy

The purpose of the list is to allow people with an interest in ibogaine to communicate with one another, in whatever manner they see fit to do so.

Over the years it has grown tremendously; the topics are rearranged, the content changes, the positive/negative energy ebbs and flows … and a huge influx of new faces keeps arriving.

The dynamic is remarkably consistent, it goes through cycles which repeat themselves — but the overall tone and vibe, is a highly positive one. People who come here looking for help, get help. Those searching for community or support, find it. Individuals who want to cause problems and argue with everybody, don’t have any trouble obtaining what they want either.

I wrote the introduction/summary for the Ibogaine List, many years after we opened it. I didn’t write it, and then things somehow magically conformed to my wishes. I just wrote what IS.

What you find here is entirely dependent on what you’re looking for.

Anything, everything, nothing,

Patrick

p.s., Randy and Sean: love you both, and rock the fuck out.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:20:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

3yrs, i’m a weary public defender who’s 54yobup 0.3mg 4x a day 3yrs fir pain management. it’s got a jones
—– Original Message —– From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub

The great thing about Ibogaine Ron is that it gives us hope. How long
have
you been on the Bup? Check out the detox forum I mentioned. If you post
your details there like how much you take and for how long there’s people
there who can give you first hand advice on tapering the Bup if you need
it,
or just support. Do remember that they ain’t Doctors though, the best
thing
they say is ‘let your body guide you’. Good luck with your taper-remember
to take it one day at a time. What’s your career? Do you enjoy it?

Love Hannah

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub

thanks hannah, i think i’m screwed. been on bup im 1.2 mg per day..liquid
amps. i’m trying to taper that and benzos. i’ll probably lose my career
and everything else before it’s over. i’m in my 50’s now and drugs quit
being fun when i was in my 20’s. addiction is a powerful thing. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub

> Hi Ron,
>
> So far I’ve never been off my Sub apart from when I was using so I
> can’t
> answer that. I’ve been on it 9 months though so I’m not looking
> forward
> to
> it. My Doctor etc here in the UK all say that Sub is not addictive and
> that
> you should not suffer at all as long as you taper off it. However I’ve
> heard plenty of tales that disagree. I guess I’ll have to wait and
> see.
> How long have you been taking it? What’s your dosage? There’s an
> opiate-detox forum with a bit all about Buprenorphine so you could go
> there
> and read people’s posts for info. (There’s a Bup forum and an info one
> that
> I think has some details too) But I’ve never got a solid answer out of
> it.
> Look for a guy called ‘Bup4pain’ if he’s still about-he really knows
what
> he’s talking about.
>
> http://64.226.201.78/Forum/default.asp
>
> I’m no Doctor but surely you have to deal with one addiction at a time?
> Benzos or Sub? I feel for you with the benzo WD.
>
> Have you read up on Ibogaine? If not definately check out The ibogaine
> Dossier for info. The others will know better-can you use Ibo to knock
> both
> Sub and Benzos on the head? I’m hoping to do Ibogaine very very soon
> so
> I’ll let you know how it works with the sub.
>
> Love Hannah
>
>
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: sub
>
>
>> any problem coming off sub?
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol’ me
>>
>>
>> >I take 4mg when I feel I really need to. I had stabilised on 4mg
>> >back
>> > before. Today and yesterday I took 12mg. I expect to be back down
to
> 4mg
>> > by the end of the week but I’ll see how it goes.
>> >
>> > I hear what you’re saying about my friend. Can’t we just both try
> harder?
>> > I really could never leave him on th street-then he’d be straight
back
>> > into
>> > it. I have got meaner with him and told him he CANNOT keep doing it
at
> my
>> > flat and must have respect for my efforts. I’m just as bad as he is
>> > though-before its been him that did well and ME who fucked things up
>> > for
>> > HIM. Give us a couple of weeks an see. He needs to sort out a
>> > place
>> > anyway-he will just get more depressed if he doesn’t start working
> towards
>> > a
>> > goal. I will be stronger. I’m sorry everyone-I know it looks
>> > simple
>> > to
>> > you
>> > but I’d rather be a junkie for the rest of my life than be
responsible
> for
>> > hurting anyone else. And I really think throwing him out would
really
>> > hurt
>> > him.
>> >
>> >
>> > —– Original Message —– >> > From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
>> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:01 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol’ me
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry Hannah, but it is you or your friend. Your call.
>> >
>> > What dose of subutex are you taking?
>> >
>> > Howard
>> >
>> > In a message dated 10/29/04 1:04:25 PM, hannah.clay@ntlworld.com
>> > writes:
>> >
>> >>Hi everyone,
>> >
>> >>I’m feeling sorry for myself so I thought I’d write. I’ve really
>> >>messed
>> >>up.
>> >>I was a H addict for 4yrs doing a bit of evrything else too at
>> >>times.
>> >>I
>> >>
>> >>tried to detoc lots of times. Then I was put on Subutex and was
clean
>> >>for
>> >>
>> >>like a month (the longest I’;ve ever been clean) I keep trying
though.
>> >> Then
>> >>
>> >>my old partner in crime got chucked out onto the streets so I said
>> >>he
>> >>could
>> >>
>> >>stay with me. But we’re etrrible influences on each other-if one’s
> being
>> >>
>> >>good then the other always seems to want to be bad. Anyway recenty
we
>> >>got
>> >>
>> >>into Snowballs (H&Crack IV) which I’ve done lots before but never
>> > regularly.
>> >>
>> >>I love that high. I wish I could feel like that all the time! Now
>> > detoxing
>> >>
>> >>and just staying on my Subbies is even harder. They don’t make me
feel
>> >>
>> >>better anymore. I can’t tell anyone cuz they’ll chuck me off my
>> >>script.
>> >> I
>> >>
>> >>had got my life back a bit and now I’m losing what little I gained
cuz
>> >>I’m
>> >>
>> >>always sick. Todays only Day 2 (again) with just Subbies and I feel
so
>> >>
>> >>awful 🙁 I’ve mainly slept for the past 48hrs I can’t stop shaking
>> >>and
>> >>
>> >>crying. I’m not being sick or needing the loo too much which is a
> godsend
>> >>
>> >>(I do try to feel grateful for that) but I just feel so CRAP! My
>> >>friend
>> >>is
>> >>
>> >>being good too though he keeps moaning and begging me to score (does
he
>> >>
>> >>think I’m made of cash? I spent over £200 on H and rock on tues and
>> >>wed
>> >>
>> >>easy) And my dealers won’t stop ringing me. My phones on silent now
>> >>cuz
>> >>I
>> >>
>> >>don’t feel like talking to anyone. Sorry if my spellings bad but my
> hands
>> >>
>> >>won’t stop shaking. Even if I scored I wouldn’t be able to get
> myself-my
>> >>
>> >>hands are so sore and swollen from missing.
>> >
>> >>Ok That’s my moaning out the way. I guess I’ll just go back to bed.
I
>> >>just
>> >>
>> >>wanna feel good. I never did Snowballs in company cuz I like to
really
>> >>FEEL
>> >>
>> >>it. My n my friend meditate on it breathing deeply ooooh…… stop
>> >>
>> >>talking. I’ve been clean before though n life was boring.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I’m not really expecting replies I just wanted to vent. Basically
just
>> >>
>> >>feeling sorry for myself. I just feel like this will never end.
I’ll
>> >>never
>> >>
>> >>feel good again without drugs of one sort or nother.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I’ll stop now. I’m gonna make a hot sweet cup of tea. I’d have a
> shower
>> >>
>> >>but I think i’d collapse. Now I think about it I haven’t eaten
>> >>since
>> >>
>> >>Wednesday anyway n hardly drtunk anything. That’s probably why I
feel
>> >>so
>> >>
>> >>weak! I’ll try eat some soup or summat easily digestable.
>> >
>> >>Thanks for listening.
>> >>
>> >>Hannah
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibogaine availablity, dosage etc
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:17:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Ibogaine availablity, dosage etc

getting clean is not about good intentions or wil power. Hijacked brain by chemical terrorist.
Pray for the willingness and get a good comfortable detox. If you are not dependant and still want to boot up, then maybe you have to hit a bottom. Yet, the elevator stop at many floors. You don’t have to take it to the basement.

hang in there man. Just throw it away again. keep trying one day at a time. program or no program. Each time you don’t use even though you want to, the urge will leave quicker and you will get your personal power back.

From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:59:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You love walking guilty people? I’m not impressed. Do you also like to sentence innocent people?

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:11:14 -0600

i am cyber moron. pen ball era. low on the curve. pre pac man and hi tech stuff, put me in a courtroom and i shine. i love walking guilty people when the judge and govt are convinced there’s a guilty coming down and they dbl team me. perverse? you bet i do have morals though. i d/n understand computers but am trying to learn . i have a long ways to go. video games were something that d/n produce enough endorphins. rather mtn bike ron sky diver , scuba cave certified.adddict—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801

On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Ron Davis wrote:

no program to open
—– Original Message —– From: <ibogaine-digest-help@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801

Ron … just to ask a crazy question, why are you signed up for the digest and the list, simultaeneously — like, all at once for instance… If you really do want TwicE tHe FuN, and double the joy, far be it from me to argue.

When you doubleclick the digest, whatever box you are using — I’m gonna guess Windoze — does not know what to open it WITH. It’s just a plain text file; throw it on any text editor like Notepad or whatever, and then it’ll associate that app with the digests, in the future — unless it doesn’t… In which case it won’t work at all, or partially, and only once. After that, the only other way to get it to work is to put on magickIcaL RubY reD slipPerz and click your heels together three times and say, “I believe!”

Photoz plZ

Patrick

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:01:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

mountain biking is way better than geeking on the computer anyhow, Ron.

the first time i used a computer it freaked me out so bad it took me 6-7 more years to attempt it again. Now i can’t get away from ’em.

certified_cyber_junkie,
_.dh

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Ron Davis wrote:

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:11:14 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Ron Davis wrote:

Photoz plZ

Patrick

From: “” <thethird@myway.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Jasen
Date: November 30, 2004 at 9:58:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, Do you feel like sharing the details of your experience? I love reading about other people’s visions and when you have enough energy I wondered if you’d want to type it all out. I am glad that I typed up and saved the details of my experience because it helps me to remember what I saw. If it’s too personal though, I understand. I want to work with people who are using Ibogaine to kick and I want to find out some of the best things to do after the experience to make the most out of it. If you think of anything during the next few weeks that you think helped you get more out of what you went through, whether it be sitting and trying to re visualize certain parts of your visions or drawing pictures of what you saw or anything you can come up with, i would really be grateful if you would tell me what it was that helped you. Congratulations on a successful journey!

No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.
Make My Way your home on the Web – http://www.myway.com

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)
Date: November 30, 2004 at 6:07:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Giving me hope,
Keep the stories rolling on in please
Love to all on your various stages of your journies.
Big Reiki Bubbles coming to you.
Kirk
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com [mailto:Jeffgd1@aol.com]  Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2004 5:57 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)

In a message dated 11/30/04 11:39:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:
As with other methods of detox, TIME is the only way to truly recover…don’t worry, Fake Placebo: if your TIME hasn’t come yet, it will soon…  cheers, Julie
it sure does time is moving so so slow i have ahard time believing that relief is in sight but i don’t crave getting high on dope and will NEVER go back on Methadone it would be a life sentence At 45 i know that this is my last shot
Iboga is simply a miracle gods gift the ancient cure thgat was waiting
feeling pretty weak still but nothing like 2 weeks ago so that aint bad
freak freely!
Jeff

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 30, 2004 at 6:02:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, I wish that taking Iboga was an option here, I for one would like to do some research on the differences. I think it is a problem of logistics for the reason to use Ibogaine. Hcl. doesn’t take up that much room therefore it is easier to conceal. Did you take Indra or root bark? I sure would like to see Sara at work. Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) new book contract
Date: November 30, 2004 at 5:57:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all, as I just posted (in slightly different form) on Jules Siegel’s awesome journalism list
Newsroom-L:

Because I consider everyone here compatriots and fellow travelers and even some of you good friends of mine whether we’ve met face to face or not (even if you’re not a druggie or an addict or even all that interested in anything I’m doing personally, you’re subscribed here so you rate- and I’ve always found it a bit weird this internet thing, in how I can make friends I never see face to face all over the world, much more readily that ever could be done with simply old fashioned mail, right?), I have to let loose here with a wee little bit of crowing-

I signed a new book contact today! YAAAAAAA!

I know, it sound like I’m bragging but I’m not, but I am very excited and thrilled and happy and ecstatic and overjoyed and all the rest of the emotions that come from obtaining an official contact and meager advance. (Can’t wait ’til I get one of those infamous 6 digit advances I’ve read about here and there- but don’t see that coming anytime soon anyway, darn it.)
It hasn’t a single thing to do with anything I’m known for writing and researching, like drugs or prohbition say, but it’s a topic(s) I love and have been working very hard on already these past couple of weeks (so how in the heck I can be going through the irritating hassles I’ve been putting myself as noted on the ibogaine list is beyond me still- but I’m making plans and trying to arrest my undevelopement as soon and fast as possible, including being extremely open with V again, contrary to what I wrote on the ibo list recently- if anyone on DrugWar wants more details ask and I might fill you all in).
So, if anyone here has knowlege of ancient lost civilizations, technologies and/or mysteries, I’d be more than happy to read any submissions anyone cares to submit to me between now and March 15, 2005. The book, tentatively titled “Mysterious Roots- the Disinformation Guide to Lost Civilizations, Technologies and Mysteries,” is slated for release next Fall, 2005.
Ok, thanks for letting me crow a bit here, and carry on all.
(So Paula, is this happy enough news for you? ;-)) )

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Breathing
Date: November 30, 2004 at 5:51:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I want to see the FACTS. Going on supposition doesn’t cut it with me. I’ve been a junkie or an alcoholic almost all of my life I think I know there are unscrupulous people in the world. I’ve been reading this list and everything else I can find about Ibogaine for a year and a half. Do I act like I don’t have the capacity to retain facts or something? I can’t cosign bullshit for anybody. Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] War Storiez
Date: November 30, 2004 at 5:25:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

egad Dave.
I love you.
You are an inspiration to me, and the more I read about you, the more I think, “well, maybe it’s/I’m not hopeless afterall.”
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] War Storiez

getting loaded behind the wheel… reminds me of copping and firing up, then driving back north in the suicide lane the the golden gate bridge, nodding out behind the wheel and plowing thru the flimsy dividing pylons into oncoming traffic, narrowly averting head-ons. Not exactly fun, or thoughtful. Vista point was my landing zone, if I made it there I was safe. obviously i did, many a time. I don’t know how or why, it was as if I were in a bullet proof bubble.

Then there was the time i went to cop from a junkie in a hotel in the tenderloin. I just had a baby habit, and was only smoking my dope on foil. I had instructions to go to the 6th floor, room 602 and knock 5 times softly. When the door opened i was horrified at what lay beyond. Piles of dirty laundry, beer cans and cigarette buts and ashes everywhere, blood stains on the wall and ceiling and it stank of detox sweat and cum and beer and cigarettes. There was a path that went from the door to the bed, and from the bed to the sink in the corner. The rest was piled knee-waist high with junk. I was appalled anyone could live like that. eventually, I would stay to get loaded, and when I became homeless I crashed there. I sank lower than this person, because I couldn’t even get it together to have a pad of my own. I would steal his dope in a heartbeat, yet this person would lie sick for 3 days waiting for someone to come by and send him out to cop so he could get well. He had the integrity of a saint, which amazed me. This was a junkie with ethics, don’t ever steal, don’t ever get off till you are home and safe. Any bathroom or alleyway would do for me, the sooner the better.

In the end I would scour the floor for dropped balloons when his back was turned, and I eventually discovered he would drop thick, black cottons between the bed and the wall for “rainy” days. I would pick these cottons up, brushing away cock roaches and ashes and rat shit and slam that thick black goo into my arm.

He died 4 years ago of hepC, and amazingly, after sharing the same cottons and spoons, I am hepC Free.

Oh yes, I am living on borrowed time.

_.dh

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

yeah, getting off in traffic was (almost) always fun too, although I was usually in the back of a cab. Oh goodness, one time I did my speedball, then had a complete psychotic breakdown, with huge cockroaches streaming from the trash on the floor, which due to the stormy rainy day outside was full of a puddle. So I freaked out, trying to grab all the bugs from off my face while feeling them storming up the insides of my pants and sweater sleeves. That wasn’t fun at all. I tried to get indignant when we pulled into our stop and my rig was sitting in plain sight on the floor, floating in aforementioned puddle. “That’s awful, why don’t you clean you cab man? I coulda been stabbed!”
He glared at me and said, “That’s yours and get outta my cab.”
Oh well.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Hi Preston, I read of the thrill you received doing speedballs in the Diner,
I understand. My favorite place was on the freeway in 5 o’clock rush
hour-speedway traffic, to see if I could “keep-it-together, I had a fast car
at the time and could get a vein with out too much challenge.
brad

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:02 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA
+ ? Hannah

Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in blood
crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I
remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H.
My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and
old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and
breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am
I doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself
and what I consider normal now.
Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare.<

This is EXACTLY what I was writing about earlier, the notes like this one
Hannah. I can totally and completely empathize and am really heartily
wishing you well, sending you strength and courage. You are how old please,
if you don’t mind my asking? I think you mentioned it just the other day
(23?- because I remember responding to someone noting that age here and
think it mighta been you) but I’m not sure. Regardless, as bad as it seems
now, it can get worse, and it can definitely get better. I’m sure you know
that, irregardless of how awful it can seem when sitting there trying to get
a vein (oh my god, I can remember doing what you’ve described here, but not
only in the privacy of someone’s apartment or squat but also, more often
than not actually, doing this exact same vein hunt in stairwells, allyways,
parkbenches, behind garbage cans, cafe bathrooms, diner tables, etc, etc. I
mean, there were times I’d have a great vein, usually a teeny one that I’d
managed to find just the right angle to hit it with, making shooting up in
public, at diner tables as mentioned (one of my very favorite places to
shoot up used to be in very public places like diners, right at the table,
as that gave me that extra adrenaline boost. Of course, it was often an
interesting experience in that when speedballing, I’d feel the cocaine
first, so would be sitting there first witht that roaring in my ears, then
bugs all over me while trying to figure out which person in the diner was
NOT a cop.
Boy oh boy, what fun that was!

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Hannah

I actually found a leaflet once at a rave that referred to people taking
Prozac recreationally as a kind of weak MDMA (I’ll refer to it as X from now
on). Weird. I’ve always found that ADs suppress the effects of X and I’ve
been on a few. Its a bummer.

I love going to raves but since I’ve been into H (the past 5yrs) (and I’m
23) I hardly go out at all. Sean said something about isolation, well I
live as a complete hermit at the moment and the more I don’t see people, the
more I don’t want to see them. Luckily I live with my boyf and we’re
putting my partner in crime up at the moment so I have to see them!

Tomorrow will be Day 1 on Subutex and off H and crack so wish me luck! I
want to get going out again but I do find the come-downs hard without gear.
I’m trying to get hold of some Valium just so I have something to just help
me chill out. I don’t like raves without X though cuz I don’t like the
music without! On X I love Techno. I’m lucky cuz some of my friends are
travellers and know lots of squatters down London and they always know where
the best free parties are 🙂 I live in a little town where the clubs are
all crap ‘towny’ straight places with cheesy music.

The X powder is lovely cuz it isn’t speedy, just warm loveliness but it
isn’t always great for partying cuz you just wanna sit down. Then we mix it
with speed (!). When I first discovered X when I was 17 I thought it was
the greatest thing in the world-I just couldn’t stop smiling. But the pills
just don’t do the same anymore-I don’t know if the pills are crap now or if
you just get a tolerance real quick. Then again, even when I’m fucked I’ll
still claim I’m straight and need more-I’m just never satisfied.

I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.

Last night I did this mornings hit thinking I’d just score as soon as I woke
up today. Instead I slept all day so woke up really sick. I call my dealer
and nothing for a couple of hours so total panic. Luckily a friend came
over and sorted me out. But my veins are non-existent so then it takes
hours to get myself. I thought I’d got it first time but hit my artery so
my right hand swelled up and I was in agony. Luckily a couple of friends
were around to help but they tried for 2hrs and couldn’t get me-I felt like
a pin cushion, in my hands, arms, neck, fingers, feet 🙁 I had to
muscle-bang it in the end. And since I’ve been doing rock and gear the past
week I hadn’t showered or anything so was embarrassingly grubby. My veins
just wouldn’t give up any blood! None of the women in my family can give
blood cuz they can’t get blood out of us so I really chose the wrong
profession! Anyway so I’m sat there just thinking what have I done to
myself? Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in
blood crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I
remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H.
My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and
old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and
breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am I
doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself
and what I consider normal now.

Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare. I’ve got to sort myself out.
I just can’t believe I keep doing this to myself. Why do we keep doing
this? I’ve hit rockbottom I really have. And the last couple of yrs I had
improved, I’d cut down and started socialising but the past couple of months
I’ve been out of control. I’ve been going in my fingers and when I had to
go to A&E for my abscess the Doc told me I could easily lose my hands if I
kept doing this. I can’t believe I know that and keep doing it! Its like
that definition of insanity, I am insane.

But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….

Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
Hannah

PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more
partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Hannah

Hannah,

you are sooooooo lucky…I’d love to get my hands on
some nice, clean powdered X…here, it’s all tabs.
Can we say cut, cut, cut, cut,..ad infinitum.
Whenever I party on Church St.(the local boyztown), I
notice I come across powder once and a while. God,
gay guys know how to party !!

I find what you say about antidepressants+E very
interesting. I was wondering if the SSRI I was
taking(quit 3 days ago) attributed to this experience
by prolonging the serotonin. But, alas, I’m no doc,
just a pathetic drug enthusiast who thinks she has the
answers to everything- and then realizes how wrong she
is!!

I agree with you about “The Crash”- it’s the only
reason I wouldn’t call XTC ‘the perfect drug’. I
think it’s related to the methamphetamine part of the
high, not the lovey, serotonin part. But alas, please
refer to the last sentence of the previous
paragraph…

love Julie 🙂

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Oslo
Date: November 30, 2004 at 5:24:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no but I lived in Bergen for almost a year (where I was first introduced to speed- but though thye people who introduced me were shooting it I was not- my needle use came later, although I had experience from hospitalization with lots and lots and lots of needles already, perhaps being a major reason why I took so long to pick one up myself), and was married to a Norweigan woman for a couple of years. (Thank god she left me, or who knows where and with whom I’d be today.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Oslo

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-heroin29nov29,0,2616070.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Anyone on this list from Norway??

From: “booker w” <swbooker@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Low dose Ibogaine Sessions
Date: November 30, 2004 at 4:57:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee. I am interested in experimenting with low-dose eboga and am wondering what a low-dose session is typically like. Do you still find the need to lay down and be perfectly still and does it consume the whole day, etc. You mentioned low doses at around 5 mg/kg, but at that dose I feel like I’ve taken a “big dose.” They say women are often more sensitive to ibogaine, and I feel that that is certainly true for me. I would probably take far smaller amounts. Anyway, any answers appreciated…
Best, Sandy
PS – Randy I think you are spot-on about Ms. Mash. When I experienced some physical symptoms after my third ibo session I talked to her and she of course tried to convince me that it must not’ve been real ibogaine, and why would I take the chance in the “underground!” I think she tries to discredit anyone but her own place, which spells dollars for her, and certainly goes against the spirit of Eboga I think too. The idea that someone was left for dead in a hotel by an ibogaine provider sounds utterly ludicrous to me. Hope someone does write the LA Times…

>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>

>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?

>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:47:09 +0000 (GMT)

>Dear “not so slow” Slowone

>Thank you very much for your reply. Very interesting indeed.

>In my own case (apart from 3 therapeutic MDMA sessions after my first eboga experience) I have based the past 6 years of my journey on the sacramental use of eboga to travel the inner recesses of my psyche and encounter the hidden demons of my past. I have unlocked practically every door (I am presently aware of) within me and have experienced nothing short of miraculous recovery. I eagerly look forward to completing the 3 books I am working on to share all the details of what I have experienced.

>So I have not felt any need to enter the world of ayahuasca. However from what you write it is definitely something I will explore at some stage. Forgive me if I say (what some may take as heresy) but I find eboga to be a complete cure when used with the right intention, a sufficiently discerning mind and a heart that seeks as its ultimate goal a deep experience of love. Why?

>Because it is very much spiritually guided and events in one life fall into place to move the process along if one is willing to undergo the changes and take the risks.

>I like what you say about eboga and how it brings you in contact with specific deep issues. (I assume we are talking about low doses here) It confirms exactly what I am trying to promote in my writings: the use of eboga to resolve childhood trauma and abuse and to advance ones spirituality via the growth of consciousness which ensues.

>There is absolutely no doubt that ongoing use of eboga is both surprising and humbling. It is also wonderfully liberating.

>The part I find interesting for myself is how I went from a scientific agnostic to a believer & admirer of the God and the Goddess. Two great kind (non imposing) and generous entities in my opinon. You could say the perfect parents. And yet with them I sense a humility which accepts me lovingly as I am and allows me to grow from there. Its almost like a growing friendship.

>Good idea to use as an adjunct to therapy.

>One observation I would make on the healing action of eboga is this. A particular emotion such as abandonment, loss of a loved one etc can be resolved (when the time is right) by an experience of accelerated healing with eboga. By that I mean, the concentration of all the pain is oosed out of the psyche like the puss from a boil and that is something which conventional therapy imo cannot do. That is why I recommend to anyone who is interested in full recovery to invest time and trust in its healing ways. It has many miracles to offer.

>Love & Peace

>Lee

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] War Storiez
Date: November 30, 2004 at 4:30:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

He died 4 years ago of hepC, and amazingly, after sharing the same cottons and spoons, I am hepC Free.

Oh yes, I am living on borrowed time.

_.dh

On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Hannah

I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.

But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….

Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
Hannah

PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more
partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂

Hannah,

love Julie 🙂

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Oslo
Date: November 30, 2004 at 4:19:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-heroin29nov29,0,2616070.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Anyone on this list from Norway??

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] special problems in treating for crystal
Date: November 30, 2004 at 3:58:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We were addressing three questions regarding treatment of stimulants with ibogaine::

Any difference from an treatment for opiates as regards dose size or regimen?

What special aftercare if any?

What was the success rate?

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 30, 2004 at 3:47:32 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Hannah

I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.

But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….

Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
Hannah

PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more
partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂

Hannah,

love Julie 🙂

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: November 30, 2004 at 3:13:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/30/04 1:24:05 PM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

We have known each other before
Julie,I say this with the utmost respect,I feel I know
Randy,Sean,Howard,Martee,preston and wife and others on this list it’s
quite
odd.
Will talk soon Smiles Jasen.

Well Jasen,

We could all say we have been waiting for you. Now is this a religious
epiphany or just a science fiction scenario? mmmmmm?

Have you checked out Amsterdam as Dave suggested? One of the art museums
could be a really interesting tour.

I would love to have some idea of your visions though email is fine if they
are too personal and that is not rare at all.

Howard

From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:56:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

cheers,
Julie
it sure does time is moving so so slow i have ahard time believing that relief is in sight but i don’t crave getting high on dope and will NEVER go back on Methadone it would be a life sentence At 45 i know that this is my last shot
Iboga is simply a miracle gods gift the ancient cure thgat was waiting
feeling pretty weak still but nothing like 2 weeks ago so that aint bad
freak freely!
Jeff

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:40:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

Glad to hear you are well. You know, it’s
weird…I’ve kinda lost track of time. I couldn’t
tell you exactly how long it has been since my
treatment! I know it was about 2-3 weeks after Randy,
so maybe it’s 6 weeks, maybe 8. The big physical
transformation from ‘sick’ to ‘well’ occurred between
the 3rd and 4th week-ironically, it was around this
time that all the damned methadone was FINALLY out of
my system!

Jasen, this next week is going to provide you with
revelations you won’t believe. As soon as you feel
well enough, go explore a new country- hell, you could
even chill in Amsterdam for a bit. Scarf some french
fries with mayonnaise(yummy!), check out some of the
sex museums or hash bars…the world’s your oyster.

I’m interested to hear some of your insights…when
you’re ready, send me a note, and we can swap some
stories….

love Julie 🙂

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)
Date: November 30, 2004 at 11:26:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi FP,

Hi, How are you? In short, I feel great. Still
haven’t touched any opiates, and have no real desire
to do so. However, I believe that is due only in part
to the noribogaine that may or may not be floating
around my system- I really wanted to quit. My
body/mind was tired, dare I say DISGUSTED, by the
whole scene, and I believe this realization is making
opiate abstinence quite easy right now.

I had energy/fatigue problems for the first 2-3 weeks,
but my body has since normalized, and I feel pretty
good overall. Sleep issues are a whole different
story altogether- I STILL have sleep disturbances. My
doc told me it can take months to normalize (something
about opiates acting on the area of the brain that
regulates sleep.

In terms of personality changes, I feel a lot more,
um, RAW- nothing is filtered out anymore. Every
beautiful situation, every annoying and ugly one- I
embrace each and every moment with the naivete of a 5
year old.

I would say I also stick up for myself more now,
without the aid of rose-tinted, opiated glasses. I
have an aunt who used to send me the most ridiculous,
right-wing, Christian fundamentalist propaganda,
almost on a daily basis. It annoyed the fuck out of
me. Well, needless to say, I critically ‘dissected’
the last piece of clap-trap, and LO AND BEHOLD: no
more Christian, exclusionist dogma forwarded to my
Inbox.

As with other methods of detox, TIME is the only way
to truly recover…don’t worry, Fake Placebo: if your
TIME hasn’t come yet, it will soon…

cheers,
Julie

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:55:49 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,
Yes you are righ, 12 to 15 days I started to get more energy.
I am booked to go home on the 12th of December.
HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW Julie,how long has it been?

I would love to go to Greece or Italy I will wait and see what the energy is
like,how I FEEL.It was great getting a long email of you.
When I get home I will be able to write better emails of my computer.
The relavations I have had are so clear,some I don’t dare mention on the
web.
We have known each other before
Julie,I say this with the utmost respect,I feel I know
Randy,Sean,Howard,Martee,preston and wife and others on this list it’s quite
odd.
Will talk soon Smiles Jasen.

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Ms Iboga [mailto:ms_iboga@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 27 november 2004 16:01
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: [Ibogaine]
Jasen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jasen,

How are you, kiddo??? It’s so great that you’re up
and around…how ya feelin’? Day 12 is great- just to
let you know, it was around day 12-15 that I started
to come out of the thick of it. I know time may seem
like it’s passing excruciatingly slow, but don’t
worry…the next thing you know, a whole month will
have passed, and you’ll be catching a train to Paris
or Barcelona. If you hit Spain, make sure you check
out Gaudi’s architecture- it’ll blow your mind.

I second your idea about detoxing from heroin/short
acting opiate…methadone is a real heinous entity to
detox from- I mean, how can you truly feel better when
that shite lingers in your body for so long? You’re
so lucky you have Sara to take care of you, as I
believe she really knows what she’s doing. She has
given me a few excellent suggestions and healing
techniques.

Have you decided when you will venture out into the
world? Europe is so lovely…if I were you, I would
head to the southern parts- there is nothing as awful
as shivering from the cold weather, when you are
‘shivering’ on the inside, if you know what I mean.

If you’re feeling really adventurous, why not venture
to somewhere exotic and gorgeous like Morocco? You
can catch a ferry across the Gibraltar strait, and
boom- you’re in Northern Africa!!! When I was in
Lisboa(which is also incredibly gorgeous), the only
thing keeping me from making the trek was my slim,
exhausted pocketbook…Do it Jasen, this is a perfect
time for you to travel…your mind is fresh,
unfettered, unencumbered by the haze of opiates..

Or how about Greece? Filo pastry and flaming Ouzo
make for a lovely distraction…BTW, how much longer
are you planning to stay in Europe? Do you have any
work deadlines? When do you return to Aus?

My thoughts are with you on your journey. The first
2-3 weeks are the hardest, but it DOES get better,
don’t worry. Take care of your body and your mind…
And please drop me a line when you find the time….

love Julie 🙂

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen unbored
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:40:22 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Howard,
Thanks for the call it was good to hear your kind voice.
I plan to Feng Shui Sara’s,I even brought my compass.
At the moment however I am too mentally,emoitionaly,physically and
spiritually exhausted,though better than a few days ago.

Explaining what I mean by boredom.
Wanting to do something and not having the mental or physical energy to do
it.Being in a forien country by myself,missing home.I understand it is a
part of it however to me it is,”wanting to jump out of my skin at times then
it passes.Time is going 4 times as slow,1 hour feels like 4.I miss
company,especially female,not meaning sexual,just company,flirting laughing.

Hey, I over the worst of it. Smiles Jasen

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 27 november 2004 19:53
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: [Ibogaine] Jasen unbored

Jasen,

Why don’t you unbore yourself by feng shuiing sara’s place. Is her house
feng shui? Will Sara let you do it? Great tasks await great men and women.

Howard

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:28:14 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,
Thanks for the feedback
Planning to get very busy with work when I get back home. I tell you what,I am home sick.
It would be interesting to hear if the people that reported being raped and or sacrificed whilst under this
Treatment to see if It was only with the ibogaine. and not Iboga.Because at the risk of sounding like I’m off my head,I had strong revelations about a few things,one of being,If you want to disrespect the spirit of eboga and think you can improve on what god has already perfected,then just by taking the one ‘working element”;I think you rape the plantby taking the Ibogaine and sacrificing the rest. and sacrifice the whole for a part of what was made wholly by alfa and omega,I believe the whole plant should be taken,otherwise it is a sacrilidge and you won’t get the full benefit.If only natural and scientific docters could work together respecting each others knowing. Wow ,could you Imagine a clinic set up by a few of you together, Science and natural medicine working together.THIS IS DAY 15, I am still fatigued and a bit scrambelled,low energy,though better than a few days ago. I thought I was dying,like seriously,, I tell you what.it frightened me. .
Low blood pressure,I think,but then maybe that is nessecarry so to take blood pressure tablets could affect the effect of the Iboga.

Getting tired,mentally tired. Love you guys Smiles Jasen.
Van: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]  Verzonden: zondag 28 november 2004 18:01 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Hi from Jasen, he has no energy to write , but he likes to thanks everyone for being so kind and thinking of him.

Sara

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Verzonden: zaterdag 27 november 2004 16:29 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen, If I had the cash I’d be right there with you. Someday soon. What have you got planned when you get back down under? I’d sure like to see Australia sometime. You being bored is a good sign. Life awaits you my friend. Kick it’s …. you know what I mean. Be ready, cause I found it hard sometimes because people I knew didn’t know how to take the clean and positive Randy. It is already better for me. The ones who matter think Ibogaine is a miracle. I’ve never gone this long without court pressure and the people who care about me are pretty much amazed. It takes a little while for them to get used to it. Remember, your the one who changed. Give them time to get used to it and don’t freak out like I did. You are most definitely the man now. Run with it. Peace and much love. Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message & Treatment
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:16:06 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

lee:
thanks for the note and compasssion expressed in it. my goal is to b treated by aan md on an outpatient basis that understands benzos. from what i hear, ibo is not the magic bullet b/c of the different receptors involved. i’m no expert and simply recount my readins and info obtained from others more knowlegeable than me in this field. i’ve done it all over the yrs. but this benzo thing is spooky..w/ds can kill you. all the other stuff just made me wish i were dead.
so, i am hesistant. i may have stumbled across someone , much more knowledgeable than i who can help. i appreciate all the support from people on the list. wishing you a peaceful path, ron
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To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message & Treatment

Ron,

I imagine internet servers (which route emails) do all kind of weird and wonderful things. Clearly you are receiving messages and sending. If some are bounced it probably doesn’t make a lot of difference as they keep reappearing anyway. Unles there is a specific message you are looking for?

Forgive me if I ask and I ask with all due respect. Have you made a full action plan for yourself yet? I did read somewhere where you were attempting to taper. Hows that going? Where do you go from there?

From what i have read you have received pretty much all the advice anyone can give you here on the list. So the best this list can do for you right now is to send words of support your way.

If I were in your shoes I would decide whether or not to be treated and then I would probably contact Sara (who has the most open ended & creative treatment available) and who can take care of you even if the treatment is not successful. (You wrote once you would get on a plane tomorrow if you thought the treatment would be successful). Amsterdam has got to be the one place in the world where you can receive practically any kind of drug related assistance necessary. So you are not going to die from the lack of a fix – if it comes to that.

Sara also has pure ibogaine – as far as I know.

So how about it? You have nothing to lose.

I keep my fingers crossed that you decide to go for it and get on that plane and get out of the scary corner you seem to be living in – which it seems is paralysing you from acting on your own behalf.

Love & Light to You

Lee

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i do not know what bouncing means. does it mean someone is reading my email? i have security. please clue me in. i know very little about computers and what all this means. i here looking for a way to get and stay straight and save my life. please help me understand what’s going on. ron..at work today

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Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 30, 2004 at 10:11:41 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Hannah

I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.

But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….

Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
Hannah

PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more
partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂

Hannah,

love Julie 🙂

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Breathing
Date: November 30, 2004 at 8:53:04 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree. I was trying to differentiate that all “providers” are not created equal to randy. The death thing was just part of the scenario. Your rationale is correct. I think there is a time and a place for martyrdom and that ain’t it! I was also trying to put things in perspective re: Mash a little, I’m not on her biggest fan list, however, I couldn’t do what she’s doing and within controversial topics will be more controversey.
You do make an extremely valid distinction and I would have to say were it me I would leave. Were it me being treated I would want them to leave as well.
Martee
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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Breathing

I’m not sure that one would need to be motivated by greed to
abandon a corpse in a hotel room. Imagine treating an addict who
for some unknown reason keels over – maybe that person did heroin
to avoid an issue brought up by the eboga and OD’d at their normal
dose due to a reset tolerance, maybe there were unknown or lied-
about medical complications, maybe their spirit just went to the
light. In any case, death has occurred, and now you are facing any
number of criminal and civil charges if you turn yourself in. Plus
if you do, it’s another black mark against ibogaine. People have
all sorts of value systems and reasons for treating people, and
siting with a corpse could throw these into unexpected relief.

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] misc
Date: November 30, 2004 at 8:41:57 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for posting that. Lee

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
I came across this:

http://www.entheogenreview.com/Resources/Sample%20Issue.pdf

which includes the only other case I’ve seen of a person quitting
marijuana after an ibogaine session (I stopped for 2 years a while
back). It is a sampler edition of the Entheogen Review. Articles
include “THOUGHT-SUCKING ENTITY”, “WILD CUCUMBER?”, “SEXY TOAD
VENOM”, and most interesting to me, “Myron Stolaroff Speaks” in
which the author of The Secret Chief says,

“I have to say that the misunderstanding of psychedelics is
one of the great tragedies of our current time, because these
are such remarkable tools. And Ill just try to say in a nutshell
why they are important and also why they are held in
such disrepute. First of all they are important because, as far
as I can telland this is after 40 years of workthe main
thing that they do is open the door to the unconscious mind.
And that includes just a fantastic array of stuff. But the first
part thats uncovered is our repressed material. We push a
lot of stuff into the unconscious because we simply do not
want to know it; we dont want to acknowledge it. This is
often very painful stuff: betrayals, hurts, things that have
made us feel inferior, and all the kinds of things that make
up what Jung calls the shadow. So all of this stuff is in the
unconscious. But then when we go deeper, we begin to find
some of our more valuable assets, such as intuition, creativity,
and what Jung called the archetypes. Eventually you go
beyond all of this into the transpersonal areas where you can
actually discover that the core of your being is divinity, which
is an amazingly wonderful, fruitful thing to discover. And
what Ive foundand I think what most of the people who
reach this level findis that the universe is created in incredible
love.”

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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)
Date: November 30, 2004 at 5:33:57 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Julie,
I treated by Iboga 14th. of september; also you treated in those days like me. I wander that how do you feel? Could you able to get your power?What about sleeping? And last: have you ever experienced personality changes on you?

Thank you already
Best Regards
FakePlacebo

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Breathing
Date: November 30, 2004 at 1:47:05 AM EST
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Subject: [Ibogaine] misc
Date: November 30, 2004 at 1:26:37 AM EST
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I came across this:

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Breathing
Date: November 30, 2004 at 1:20:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Martee, ya know I did that breathing thing one time and got the biggest rush. Ha, I’ve never felt better. I’m just very passionate about whatever I put my head into, errr so to speak. I just want to see the facts on this and I think what was said was a bit out of line. Bodies? Plural? I heard about one and the jury is still out on exactly what happened. Yea, it is inevitable there are going to be unscrupulous people anywhere money is involved but, I think that can be dealt with. How about the gov. getting their cut by taxing it and then have it sold in a pharmacy to people who are licensed to provide the treatment. Picture ID and all the other red tape shit they can think of. Just get the Ibogaine out to the people who need it. I’ve said all along that if someone would take care of my fellow addicts on the street I would quit worrying and talking about it. That just isn’t going to happen in the near future. I also said about a year and a half ago on this list that if this stuff works like you say it does I won’t shut up about it until my brothers and sisters in the KY area get it or at least know where to go to get it. It worked and I meant what I said. They don’t have a clue down there. I aim to change that. I’m getting the word out down there from here. Remember Power To The People? I grew up with that in my head. Being clean is one of the most powerful feelings I have experienced to date. I feel like I have to spread the word or lose what I have. Randy

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 30, 2004 at 1:06:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:47:09 -0800 Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
(apart from 3 therapeutic MDMA sessions after my
first eboga experience)

I forgot to mention that some friends I shared an ayahuasca analog
with described it as like MDMA without the speed. (I have never
taken MDMA.)

I have based the past 6 years of my
journey on the sacramental use of eboga to travel the inner
recesses of my psyche and encounter the hidden demons of my past.
I have unlocked practically every door (I am presently aware of)
within me and have experienced nothing short of miraculous
recovery.

Thanks for your story. I think that eboga is great at giving a safe
place to unravel trauma and patterns of thought and behavior. It
may tell more about me and my circumstances than about these
substances, but with eboga alone I was more enthralled with my own
story, while with ayahuasca I find myself developing a moment-by-
moment appreciation of life. A spiritually-inclined friend once
asked when I told her about eboga, “Where would you be without your
story?” It’s now a year later, and I’m still digesting that one.

🙂

I eagerly look forward to completing the 3 books I am
working on to share all the details of what I have experienced.

So I have not felt any need to enter the world of ayahuasca.
However from what you write it is definitely something I will
explore at some stage. Forgive me if I say (what some may take as
heresy) but I find eboga to be a complete cure when used with the
right intention, a sufficiently discerning mind and a heart that
seeks as its ultimate goal a deep experience of love. Why?

Because it is very much spiritually guided and events in one life
fall into place to move the process along if one is willing to
undergo the changes and take the risks.

I like what you say about eboga and how it brings you in contact
with specific deep issues. (I assume we are talking about low
doses here) It confirms exactly what I am trying to promote in my
writings: the use of eboga to resolve childhood trauma and abuse
and to advance ones spirituality via the growth of consciousness
which ensues.

There is absolutely no doubt that ongoing use of eboga is both
surprising and humbling. It is also wonderfully liberating.

The part I find interesting for myself is how I went from a
scientific agnostic to a believer & admirer of the God and the
Goddess. Two great kind (non imposing) and generous entities in my

opinon. You could say the perfect parents. And yet with them I
sense a humility which accepts me lovingly as I am and allows me
to grow from there. Its almost like a growing friendship.

Good idea to use as an adjunct to therapy.

One observation I would make on the healing action of eboga is
this. A particular emotion such as abandonment, loss of a loved
one etc can be resolved (when the time is right) by an experience
of accelerated healing with eboga. By that I mean, the
concentration of all the pain is oosed out of the psyche like the
puss from a boil and that is something which conventional therapy
imo cannot do. That is why I recommend to anyone who is interested

in full recovery to invest time and trust in its healing ways. It
has many miracles to offer.

Love & Peace

Lee

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:38:59 -0800 Lee Albert
wrote:
It sounds as though (from what you write) ayahuasca by its nature

is more rewarding in the group experience?

For me it has been.

Yet I would not make
the same observation about eboga – perhaps at a certain stage it
could be something to explore – as the experience tends to be
highly personal – for the most part.

My solo eboga experiences have been mixed. Immediate issues such
as
obsessive blocked anger have been resolved nicely, and sometimes I

have gotten insights into deeper problems, but it seems that eboga

in sufficient dose ultimately draws me to a trauma which I cannot
handle. Maybe someday.. meanwhile I can work on building a better
me. A mere taste on the tongue before therapy is my main use at
this point.

I certainly agree that any experience has its own optimum set &
setting.

the ibogaine experience is a wonderful opportunity to learn to
depend on others, for those of us who have been Gollum-ized by
this
world.

Economics dictate that this would either be a church or a group
treatment and therapy setting.

In the meantime, the better integration with aftercare, the
better.

I am curious what you mean by deep body learning?

Long tedious absorption of the vine, with little or none of the
DMT
‘light’ to take the mind elsewhere, followed by some weeks of
feeling more grounded and having insights comparable to post-
eboga.
Possibly it could be like noribogaine if one could take that
directly.

What do you see as its (ayahuasca) ongoing benefits?

Briefly, strength and love, if used for that purpose.

If you read the literature, and the experience reports on erowid
and elsewhere, you will find that the cultures and personal
experiences are all over the map.

Are you located in Holland?

No.

Hope I am not bombarding you with too many questions. Its an area

I no little about but am curious to understand better. What I
have

read has not really enlightened me much.

From my reading, ibogaine and secondarily ayahuasca stood out as
entheogens that lead to deep learning about oneself that can lead
to real personal change. In both cases personal experience has
been
surprising and humbling.

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:15:16 -0800 Lee Albert
wrote:
Similarly I am not a great fan of DMT from what I have read as I

think its a shortcut to spiritual dimensions best reserved for
those whose souls have been prepared for the experience.
Otherwise

the combination of ones own inner demons coupled with the doors
which are been opened can lead to serious problems afterwards
imo.

In my experience, the container is all-important. So far the best

one for me is group singing in a church setting, which is what I
started with. The first time I did my own homebrew, the message
was, “why are you doing this alone, your path is to connect with
people,” and the church has been my satisfaction and growth ever
since. (I also learn in free-form group singing without the
religious or entheogenic aspects.) Plus with ayahuasca there is
the
vine, which on its own can take one on a slow unhallucinogenic
path
of deep body learning. It is all work, the hardest and deepest
that
one is capable of, no shortcuts I thoroughly agree.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 11:24:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/29/04 10:24:58 PM, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

<< does anybody have the article in question.? I can figure out what this is
about but I have never seen the article..

someone please send. >>

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The Magical Mystery Tour

Drug and alcohol addicts are going abroad in search of the purported miracle
treatment called ibogaine. But will the drug industry embrace a substance that
causes a hallucinatory high?
By Vince Beiser
Special to The Times

November 28, 2004
The hallucinations are coming fast and vivid. Faces, shapes, colors rush
toward him, melting and swirling into each other, sometimes coalescing into more
concrete visions. He sees himself floating underwater. By turns, his four
children drift by. Sometimes they blow bubbles and float happily up to the surface;
sometimes they sink straight down, disappearing into darkness. Then there are
three ships, coming in to dock at three tubes; he knows, somehow, that they
are building a bomb, and if all three dock successfully it will explode. He
tries to direct them away, but can’t. The final ship enters the final tube. A
titanic explosion collapses everything into darkness.

Then it all starts again.

While Craig’s mind reels through this visual cacophony, his body lies quietly
in a darkened room in a house near Tijuana, deep in the grip of a powerful
psychedelic drug. His wife, his children and his upper-middle-class home in Salt
Lake City are all far, far away.

Craig is not some crystal-collecting spiritual seeker on a Carlos Castañeda
trip. He is a prosperous, respected restaurant owner, age 50. He is friendly
with the mayor and active in mainstream charities. Other than family vacations
to the Bahamas and Mazatlan, Mexico, this is the only time he has been outside
of the United States.

Craig is here because he is desperate. He is addicted to
painkillers—OxyContin, Lortab and other illegally obtained prescription opiates. His habit is
costing him $1,500 a month, and he knows he must stop. Conventional detox programs
have failed to help, so he has slipped over the border to try a treatment
that is as much an urban myth as a scientifically proven medication—and is as
illegal as heroin in the United States.

The treatment is a dose of a powerful hallucinogen called ibogaine. It is
derived from the roots of a shrub called Tabernanthe iboga that grows in Africa.
Local tribespeople have used it as a peyote-like sacrament for generations.
Since the 1960s, it has circulated on the margins of Western drug culture,
sustained by its reputation as a potent healer. A single daylong trip on ibogaine,
lore has it, can help break an addiction to heroin, cocaine, alcohol or even
cigarettes.

Other hallucinogens such as Ecstasy have purported to be helpful in treating
addiction, but interest in ibogaine seems to be approaching critical mass. The
increasing number of anecdotal success stories has attracted the attention of
researchers. Although there is no rock-solid proof, scientific consensus is
growing that this drug may indeed possess potent addiction-thwarting properties.

Regardless of what science says, faith is flourishing. A devoted community
has grown up around ibogaine—a motley congregation of former junkies,
envelope-pushing academics and drug-reform zealots helping to spread awareness and use
of the drug. There reportedly are at least two underground activists in the
U.S. who will provide it to seekers illegally. But taking ibogaine doesn’t have
to involve breaking laws, because it’s legal in many countries. As a result,
clinics are popping up from the Caribbean to Pakistan, offering ibogaine
treatment for a few thousand dollars to well over $10,000.

The clinic near Tijuana is, relatively speaking, among the most reputable. It
was opened in 2001 by Martin Polanco, a Mexican doctor who was impressed with
how ibogaine—obtained at an underground U.S. clinic—had helped one of his
relatives beat cocaine addiction. Polanco’s facility, known as the Ibogaine
Association, has administered more than 350 treatments and currently has 10 to 15
new patients a month, says program director Randy Hencken.

Hencken, a gangly 28-year-old with curly hair and little studs in each ear,
was one of Polanco’s first patients. He had dropped out of college at 21 to
devote himself to cocaine and, eventually, heroin. Over the years, he tried
everything from 12-step programs to methadone to get clean, but nothing worked. He
discovered ibogaine on the Internet, made his way to Polanco’s facility, and
returned with his addiction broken. He has since embraced the cause with a
convert’s zeal, taking a job as the association’s main organizer.

On the summer day Craig is to begin his ibogaine experience, Hencken is
padding around a San Diego apartment that doubles as the association’s U.S. office.
The place fits naturally in the beachside slacker-student-surfer
neighborhood. The front room is furnished with worn couches and a computer emblazoned with
a Jane’s Addiction sticker. A bike and surfboards hang on hooks in the
kitchen.

Hencken, dressed in a black T-shirt and pants, hops into an unmarked van and
drives to a dingy airport motel. Waiting in the parking lot is Craig, a trim,
compact man wearing loafers, khakis and a Nike T-shirt.

“I’ve got to admit this is a little weird,” says Craig, who flew in from Salt
Lake the night before. “I feel like we’re doing a drug deal.” Which, in a
sense, they are. Craig gets in the van and they roll south.

Craig is highly motivated to undertake this bizarre journey. He was an
alcoholic for years, with the smashed cars and nights in jail to show for it. He
quit drinking 16 years ago and has stayed sober. But a few years ago he was
prescribed painkillers for a knee injury and discovered that he liked them. He
began downing fistfuls of pills daily, scoring them from one of his employees. “At
first it was recreational,” he recalls. “But then you find yourself doing
them just to get from point A to B and you know it’s a problem.”

Last year, he checked himself into a rehab center and went cold turkey. “It
was horrible,” he says. “You hurt from your bones in. I couldn’t sleep. I cried
like a baby. I’d take hot baths all day and eat ibuprofen like candy.” He
stayed clean for six weeks and then fell off the wagon.

“I can’t stop myself. But I know I can’t go down that road again like I did
with alcohol,” he says. “But when you’re on opiates, it really hurts to stop.”
So when his dealer, who had been scouring the Internet for unconventional ways
to kick drugs, told Craig about the Ibogaine Association, he decided he had
little to lose.

“I just need to get this stuff out of my system,” he says, “and I’m looking
for an easier, softer way.”

Ibogaine, as even its most ardent supporters say, is not a cure for drug
dependence; however, it apparently can play a potent role as an
addiction-interrupter. The drug has two powerful addiction-fighting effects. The first is
biochemical: It seems to act on serotonin and opiate systems in the brain,
physically nullifying a person’s craving for drugs and smoothing their withdrawal
symptoms. That’s a huge boon for those addicted to heroin and other opiates, many
of whom shrink from the physical pain of detox.

“It has been proved to alleviate the pain and physical discomfort of drug
withdrawal with animals,” says Dr. Stanley Glick, a neuropharmacologist at Albany
Medical Center in New York who has researched the drug for years. “And there
are lots of reports of it doing the same with humans. You hear the same story
a few thousand times, you’ve got to believe there’s something there.”

After a few weeks, this craving-blocking effect generally fades. But by then,
users have been able to detox relatively painlessly, and then have a month or
more free of drug cravings in which to do whatever it takes to stay clean.

“One dose of ibogaine is not a magic bullet,” says Dr. Deborah Mash, a
neurology professor at the University of Miami who has done the most extensive
research on ibogaine’s effects on human beings. “But it can be a powerful first
step on the road to recovery.”

The second effect is less tangible and more controversial. In many users,
ibogaine induces hours of staggering hallucinations while the patient appears to
be sleeping. Many ibogaine users say they gained profound insights from this
experience, which helps them to understand why they became addicts.

Greg Douglass, a former guitarist with the Steve Miller Band, credits a
session last year at the Ibogaine Association with helping him to kick methadone.
Douglass had visions of himself as a terrified child, of his still-living
father in a coffin, of fantastic animals tearing each other apart in a red sea.
Over the next several weeks, he says, he gradually came to understand some of the
messages encoded in the visions.

“I’d be tying my shoes and suddenly have a little epiphany—’Aha, that’s what
that meant.’ ” The visions, he says, “showed me the potential for myself as a
human being.”

Beth Giuliano, a sturdy 25-year-old from New York, had been in and out of
rehab programs for years trying to kick heroin before she found her way to the
Ibogaine Association in February. “I saw my mother holding an infant,” she says,
describing her hallucinations. “I realized that was me. I felt the pain of
what it would be like to have a child who becomes a drug addict. I’d always felt
guilty about my family, but I never really understood their pain until I did
ibogaine.

“I woke up the next day seeing things a completely different way. I’d never
felt so positive,” she says. “I felt like the person I was when I was little or
like a whole new me.” She says she’s done heroin twice since her treatment,
but didn’t enjoy it and has stayed clean for four months.

But there are plenty of people who discount the supposed wonder treatment.
For some, the visions are harrowing and the treatment is a failure. “It’s like
acid times one million,” writes an anonymous naysayer on one of the many web
sites devoted to ibogaine. “I saw God alright—I talked to him. And I was so sure
it was real. But it wasn’t…. It was someone who [messed] with me and scared
the [daylights] out of me.” This person’s account says that others who took the
treatment at the same time saw themselves being crucified or raped. “It
didn’t work for me, and it didn’t work for anyone else that I personally met who
took it,” the writer concludes.

Everyone agrees that ibogaine is no fun. It’s often emotionally unsettling,
mentally exhausting and physically stressful. Its side effects can include
nausea, vomiting, loss of coordination and a potentially dangerous reduction in
blood pressure and heart rate.

There have been several documented deaths in connection with the drug. But
because the ibogaine was not taken in a clinical setting, the cause of death was
never firmly established. Some fatalities may have been caused by preexisting
heart conditions made lethal by ibogaine’s effects. Mash is confident that
there are more that have gone unreported. “There are some pretty unethical
people” giving clandestine treatments, she says. “They just leave patients for dead
in hotel rooms.”

“That’s why ibogaine needs to be legal and available in safe settings,”
Hencken says. “It needs to be in the hands of someone who can judge your health,
your dosage and provide a safe environment.”

The Ibogaine Association requires clients to submit a medical history as well
as undergo testing before treatment can begin. A doctor administers the drug.
Still, the procedure seems remarkably casual.

From San Diego, Craig is brought to the association’s treatment facility, a
rented house on a well-kept residential street near Tijuana. Only the dining
room, which has been converted into a medication-equipped office, and the oxygen
tanks under the stairs indicate that it is a medical establishment, of sorts.

The doctor treating Craig is Francisco Cañez, a calm, round-faced man who
splits his time between the association and a hospital emergency room. Craig sits
with his arms crossed, looking more than a tad nervous as Cañez reviews his
file and calculates his ibogaine dosage. From a small jar, he shakes out three
gelatin capsules filled with white powder and hands them to Craig.

Craig looks speculatively at the first pill, which he’ll take to make sure he
doesn’t have an allergic reaction. “Well, I’ve put all kinds of things in my
body,” he says, shrugging. Half an hour later, having evinced no untoward
initial responses, he swallows the other two pills.

Cañez then takes him into a bedroom, where sheets of Styrofoam cover the
windows and a CD softly plays rainforest sounds, and attaches him to a heart
monitor next to the bed. The monitor’s graph flutters peacefully as the ibogaine
gradually pulls Craig away. After a while, he just lies there silently, engulfed
in a hallucinogenic hurricane.

After several hours, the visions gradually start to subside. Craig sits up,
nauseated and dizzy. “That was a wild ride,” he mutters. Though he hasn’t had a
painkiller in several days, he finds he doesn’t crave one now. He lies down
again and drops back into his head for another hour. Finally, he revives enough
to be moved to another house where he will spend the next day recovering. He
totters out to the van with small, jittery steps.

Ibogaine’s addiction-fighting potential was discovered only recently, and
accidentally. It was sold as a stimulant in France during the middle decades of
the last century, and an American psychologist and a psychiatrist dabbled with
it in the 1950s and ’60s. So little was known about it that it could not even
be considered a curiosity.

But in 1962, Howard Lotsof, a 19-year-old New York student with a heroin
habit and an appetite for other pharmacological kicks, scored some powder that he
was told would give him a 36-hour trip. Lotsof and some of his junkie pals
experimented with it and, to their astonishment, found that it knocked out their
heroin craving.

Mightily impressed, Lotsof tried to drum up street interest, and a little
cash for himself in the process. It never caught on in a big way, but it did find
a place in counterculture lore—and got banned by the federal government in
1970. It was memorably cited by gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, who
speculated that “a bad ibogaine frenzy” was the likely explanation for Democrat Ed
Muskie’s oddly emotional behavior in the 1972 presidential campaign.

Ibogaine’s legend grew as a constant trickle of adventurous addicts tried it.
In the mid-’80s, Lotsof managed to patent ibogaine as an anti-addiction
palliative, and set up a company to try to bring it to market. An early series of
treatments in the Netherlands looked promising, although there were a couple of
ibogaine-related deaths elsewhere in Europe.

Lotsof continued his crusade. In the early ’90s, he and other activists
persuaded a federal agency to cough up several million dollars for ibogaine
research. He recruited Mash and the two began working together. (They have since
parted ways.) By 1993, Mash had won FDA approval to begin testing ibogaine on
human subjects. But then one of Lotsof’s informal patients in the Netherlands
died. In 1995, the National Institute on Drug Abuse decided not to proceed to
clinical studies.

“Committee members were not all that impressed with its efficacy, but the
safety issue stopped them in their tracks,” says Frank Vocci, a federal
researcher who has followed ibogaine’s progress. “What you have are a lot of
interesting, colorful anecdotes. But the plural of anecdotes is not scientific data.”

A number of researchers around the country, however, have become sufficiently
intrigued to continue experimenting with animals. Dozens of articles have
appeared in scientific journals, most of them reporting promising results that
buttress the anecdotal evidence.

Mash is doing her own part to advance the cause. In 1996 she helped to launch
an ibogaine clinic on the Caribbean island of St. Kitts. During the next five
years, she gathered data on more than 300 patients who sought treatment
there—the largest body of serious clinical research on ibogaine ever collected.

Mash presented her findings at a medical conference last fall in San
Francisco. Granted, her sample wasn’t representative of America’s drug users: Most
were white men between 20 and 40 years old, the sort of addicts who can afford to
spend several weeks and several thousand dollars detoxing in the Caribbean.
Still, she declared that her research proves that ibogaine can be administered
safely and does help break addictions. “We saw people with big methadone
habits lose their cravings after just a single dose of ibogaine,” she says. “One
month later, both cocaine and opiate addicts reported cravings were
significantly lower. And at one year, drug use was significantly down among testees.”

At this point, perhaps the major obstacle to Ibogaine’s mainstream acceptance
is its scrofulous image. This isn’t a medicine developed by white-coated
scientists; its anti-addictive properties were discovered by a junkie, and some of
its promoters are folks who may be of more interest to the attorney general
than the surgeon general.

One of ibogaine’s most energetic boosters is Marc Emery, founder of a
Vancouver, Canada, clinic. Emery is a verbose, middle-aged man with bushy hair and
corporate-casual clothes. You’d never guess that he heads the British Columbia
Marijuana Party and is, by his reckoning, one of the world’s largest sellers of
pot seeds. It is his personal mission to bring ibogaine to the masses,
because the drug helped his adopted son kick methadone and heroin. Until this
spring, Emery offered free treatment in the Iboga Therapy House, a clinic that
consists of a plush one-bedroom apartment in a Vancouver high-rise. With his cash
flow crimped by business and legal troubles (he just spent two months in a
Saskatchewan jail for passing a joint at a gathering), he has stopped funding the
clinic, putting its program on hold, but he remains supportive. “It was a very
worthwhile investment,” he says. “The improvements I saw in our patients were
significant and astonishing.”

Still, Emery’s enthusiasm is unlikely to change the minds of skeptics such as
Dr. Herbert Kleber, head of the substance abuse division at Columbia
University’s school of medicine. “I’m in favor of anything that works, but there needs
to be proof that it does, and that it doesn’t endanger patients,” he says.
“I’ve been in this field 35 years, and I’ve seen a lot of magic bullets. They
often turn out to be worse than the disease.”

Getting that kind of proof requires controlled experiments on human subjects,
which is what Mash is working toward. She has isolated a molecule called
noribogaine, which is produced in the body as it metabolizes ibogaine, and which
she believes is the key agent that blocks drug cravings. She is trying to get
FDA approval to start human testing. On a parallel track, Stanley Glick has
synthesized a chemical cousin of ibogaine dubbed 18-MC, which he also hopes to
market.

Both Mash and Glick think their ibogaine derivatives will give users the
drug-blocking effect without the hallucinations—something both believe is
necessary if the FDA is to approve their products.

But would eliminating ibogaine’s psychedelic side diminish its effectiveness?
No one knows. “For me, the ideal would be for people to take ibogaine in a
controlled environment, and use the experience as part of their psychotherapy,”
Mash says. “Then slap a noribogaine patch on them.”

Mash and Glick also face a more prosaic obstacle: money. Funding
comprehensive clinical trials for a new drug is colossally expensive, and so far neither
has found anyone willing to pony up the full cost. In October, a Los Angeles
philanthropist pledged to give Mash $250,000 to restart research at the
University of Miami, but that’s only a tiny fraction of what will eventually be
necessary if ibogaine is ever to be brought to market.

“The pharmaceutical industry has never wanted much to do with addiction
medicine,” Glick says. “It’s not very profitable, and it’s bad public relations.”

Though there are millions of people addicted to various substances in the
U.S., many of them don’t want, or can’t afford, treatment. Worse, from a
bottom-line standpoint, an ibogaine-based treatment drug would be used only once—a
feeble investment for companies accustomed to cash-cow refillable prescriptions.

Which leaves people like Craig knocking on doors of unregulated ibogaine
clinics in a desperate search for something that will help defeat their addictions.

“All these clinics popping up all over the world—it’s become almost a
cult-like phenomenon,” Glick says. “All the hype and politics around ibogaine just
make my job harder. It means the scientific establishment and regulatory
agencies take a dim view.”

But the ranks of the believers keep growing. Six months after his ibogaine
treatment, Craig says he’s staying clean and feeling great. “That stuff worked
just like it was supposed to,” he says. “It was so much better than the detox I
tried. I don’t understand why it’s not legal.”

Editor’s note:

In this article, the name of the patient seeking ibogaine treatment in
Tijuana has been changed to protect his privacy. However, the Los Angeles Times
Magazine has verified his identity and the circumstances described in the article.
If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
latimes.com/archives.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW
Date: November 29, 2004 at 9:56:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he’s not joking actually, as NYC has had this rule in effect for over a year now.
No smoking in bars whatsoever (and resaurants even longer, since the late 90s if memory serves me correctly)…unless you know bars that shirk the rules, as I do actually, but don’t drink, so what good does that do me? Plus, I can smoke as a dj (plus, there’s a rule that says if I’m on “stage” I can smoke which me and many of the performers I know take full advantage of, even though I’m not really performing on-stage per se), so I go backstage and have one when I please wherever I’m djing that night.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW

p.s., Preston, I am personally very disappointed in NYC. First Times
Square, then the LES… It’s all become Happy Shiny Safe & Sanitized.
The Horror! Before you know it, they’ll ban smoking in otherwise
healthy places like bars. “I’m sorry sir, you can’t light a cigarette
while your getting drunk inside Mars. Don’t you know they’re bad for
you? It’s still okay to bang up in the bathrooms, just wipe up your
own blood please and use the mop if you’re a lightweight and vomit all
over things n’ stuff.”
Nah, that’s just a bad dream; never happen.<

Heyyy don’t joke about it!!! The scum suckers that be have enforced a total
ban on smoking in bars as of 10th December!!!!! And if you chose to smoke at
those tables outside, ya won’t get served!!! Huh???? Farked if I can figure
that one out.
Suffer a walk to the bar all theee smoking sinners
Cheesh
Kirk

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From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jeff chgecking in…
Date: November 29, 2004 at 9:34:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello to the list and especially Jasen and Sara. Just in from a couple a days down in Philly where we went to Rachel’s moms after seeing the band that is our passion The string cheese incident an amazing scene is always there and it was a real rush to feel the energy of live music and man the lights during a drum interlude as positively Tribal as in Eboga! for me any how. It was long night but it was great to see folks who knew that I was sick lately (even if they didn’t know why) and getting many well wishes and great good hugs. I even told an old friend the entire thing he was blown away and said to me that he thought I was a very brave man to go with it. Rachel flaked a lil post show while in the midst of speaking about Eboga with another goddess who has dealt with big time husband drug stuff and it was a blast to hear she had done it as part of a Stanford experiment back in the day (60 something). She was amazed that we were able to find it as I am everyday
Multiple times a day I praise what a fucking miracle this plant is it is simply mind boggling to me that I am 3 weeks 4 days out of my methadone habit of 50 mgs a day and I NEVER SUFFERED A BIT. Not to say the first two weeks post was not terribly hard but not the same dimension as any other of my kicks. Inever once started scheming the way we do to get relief never once though about copping or even asking her the old meth is Rachy says she threw it out but I am not so sure.
This past week week 3 has been seeing improvements a step forward a step back sometimes but I am healing everyday and have been laughing and feeling bit of the spiritual vibe I felt those first two weeks I was spiritually bankrupt it felt and it was a bit disconcerting. I
I am very mush looking forward to doing a full Ibo session again as It seemed that the ibogaine was so busy scrubbing the methadone out of me that my visionsthough vivid were not particularly revealing.
Well, time for one more of my countless baths a true relief they are. Thanks for listening
Freak Freely!
Jeff

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 17 Nov 2004 15:29:37 -0000 Issue 779
Date: November 29, 2004 at 8:49:59 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 17 Nov 2004 15:29:37 -0000 Issue 779

Ron, it sounds as if your email provider may be chopping your
digest of the list short. Maybe it is seeing it as spam. Anyway,
the general public can’t help, so you may want to email

ibogaine-digest-help@mindvox.com

It is odd that this is the ‘From’ address in your mail. So maybe
there’s a misconfiguration in the list server.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:45:05 -0800 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
c/n download…got the key?
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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: ibogaine Digest 17 Nov 2004 15:29:37 -0000 Issue 779

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron From DH [was: for Ron Jim to Ron]
Date: November 29, 2004 at 8:40:23 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks, i’ll try to figure it out. i always got booted out of groups anyway, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: D H
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 6:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron From DH [was: for Ron Jim to Ron]

Hey Ron,

Bouncing messages usually happen when the email you are sending is not going to a valid email address. or it is being sent to list such as this but you are not subscribed to it. or, maybe you are sending to someone/place/thing that has blocked your email address. or, you may be sending an email with an attachment that exceeds the mailbox quota of the recipient. I’m sure there are a couple other scenarios as well.

If you could explain in what context “bouncing messages” you are referring to, I might be able to provide a better answer.

But if Patrick sez you are subscribed to both the list and the digest, you are probably getting double email X’s 2. you may even be attempting to reply from the digest to the regular list and these messages are bouncing? maybe not.

I would unsubscribe from either the digest or the list, depending on how you want the ibogaine list to be served up to you, as this may be the source of the issues.

Or, between daily tasks 2,456,301 and 2,456,302, PATRICK will remedy the situation for you. He’s a nice guy after all, altho he is one of the busiest people i know. but he can only add or delete you from one or both of the lists. He does not do house calls, Windows tech support or troubleshooting or plumbing. But then again, I do not represent Patrick in any manner so it is entirely up to him.

Or, you can always go here for addresses on how to unsubscribe, or, to re-subscribe.

peace,
_.dh

On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 04:06 AM, Ron Davis wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From: D H
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Ron Jim to Ron

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message
Date: November 29, 2004 at 8:35:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message

I get the ezmlm warnings every now and again too. Bouncing means that for some reason they bounce out of your mailbox and back to sender system. Not a security issue as far as I know. The serious words like warning and tracking etc., etc. make you think something is really gone awry. No big issue I think! Don’t worry…..your security or anonymity has not been breached!
Peace, Callie

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 8:20:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

does anybody have the article in question.? I can figure out what this is about but I have never seen the article..

someone please send.

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] To Ron From DH [was: for Ron Jim to Ron]
Date: November 29, 2004 at 7:49:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oops:

Or, you can always go here for addresses on how to unsubscribe, or, to re-subscribe.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW
Date: November 29, 2004 at 7:43:53 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Darpan facing charge of trafficking ayahuasca
Date: November 29, 2004 at 7:39:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh Dear, Aussies!
Most of em are cool but when it comes to those in power the red on their necks would blind ya without a welding helmet on. Can just hear em “bluddy hippies string em all up”.
Good luck to this fella, I hope it all goes really well.
Kirsty
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]  Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 11:09 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] Darpan facing charge of trafficking ayahuasca

Heard about this today. I met this guy over the summer, he’s very lovely. Could be a tough case. If anyone wants to get in touch to give legal advice or local support please mail me off list

Nick

My beloved friends and fellow travellers,
On 12/11/04 I was apprehended by
the federal police in australia for less than a litre
of ayahuasca which was found in unaccompanied baggage
sent to me from europe. Ayahuasca is not on the
restricted list in this country so I have been charged
with importation of its contents, namely harmine and
dimethyltryptamine, both of which are schedule 1
restricted substances in their chemically extracted
form. Because anything ove 0.5g is considered a
trafficable quantity, I have also been charged with
trafficking. Considering that 800mls of ayahuasca
constitutes 8 or 9 doses this is patently absurd
however the authorities are taking this very
seriously. I was kept in custody for 3 days and am now
out on $100,000 bail. The maximum sentence under these
charges include up to 20 years in jail. There is no
precedent for a case such as this in this country so
it seems I am relegated to battle this out in the
courts. I am currently seeking the best legal
representation and hope to have the charges thrown out
of court. Any assistance whether it be financial or
information on overseas precedents would be most
gratefully accepted. In any case, I would ask that you
send me your loving thoughts and prayers in these
challenging times. My connection to you, my family of
light, is what will sustain me and give me strength. I
have faith that awareness and light will be brought to
bear in this difficult situation and that ultimately,
good will come of this. I feel fully in my integrity
in facing these charges and am prepared to stand up
for what I believe is right. I am so grateful for the
gifts and blessings I have already received from the
Mother. I trust that even in this challenging
situation a beautiful and rare jewel will be revealed.
Om Shanti
Darpan

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 7:35:57 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Randy,
I’m hangin’ today while transferring to done…and I needed a good chuckle (not the main context of your email of course, just your first comment about shooting yourself……and a coupla other comments)
So thanks mate!
Kirsty
Aka capt kirk
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 10:44 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths

I have got to speak my mind. I hope I can do so without shooting myself in the dick. This is sacred ground to me. Right here. This list. I have been clean only because of the people and now friends who post here, and those who let me rant without giving me too much shit about it. This is part of my own self imposed therapy. I love the people here. This just my opinion so here goes. Who cares if Patrick and Ms. Mash have some kind of relationship. She’s good lookin’, I’d go for it too. That doesn’t mean that they agree on everything. Personally I don’t think Ms. Mash is using Ibogaine in the spirit it was intended to be used with. Seems the pygmies freely gave it to the Bwiti’s who then used it and saw the good in it. Our monetary system is starting to screw up the whole works. Money pure and simple makes the world go around. It sucks but it is true. I think Ibogaine is a gift from God. The answer to addiction is growing in the ground in Africa. God is wondering what took us so long to find it. The underground providers are doing treatments out of love. I know because they came to our house and stayed a while. Doing so just ‘aint’ cost effective. I never saw the inside of a hotel room but desperate times call for desperate measures and some people have no choice other than to take the treatment in a hotel room. To imply that my provider or any provider I have met has anything to do with the deaths gets my southern dander up. These people care about your soul. They are taking a supreme risk and they are most definitely not doing it for the money. I know the ballpark figures and they are not raking addicts over the coals for all they can get. I trusted my provider right off the bat. That’s hard for a junkie to do. I’d do it again. I just don’t think I would do that with Ms. Mash. I don’t trust her intentions. Ibogaine is here and it won’t be denied no matter the money. Our government dictates that there will be a struggle over money and the power therein anytime more than two dollars can be made. I think that is why it is still illegal here. Nobody can figure out how to manipulate the system so as to make the majority of the cash. Meanwhile addicts suffer. It is obvious that our suffering is inconsequential to the powers that be. So we take matters into our own hands. Thank God for the underground or I would be sprung right now. I hope I didn’t piss anyone off I’m just sayin.’ (no shrug) This list rocks. Thanks Patrick Randy

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron From DH [was: for Ron Jim to Ron]
Date: November 29, 2004 at 7:18:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ron,

If you could explain in what context “bouncing messages” you are referring to, I might be able to provide a better answer.

I would unsubscribe from either the digest or the list, depending on how you want the ibogaine list to be served up to you, as this may be the source of the issues.

Or, you can always go here for addresses on how to unsubscribe, or, to re-subscribe.

peace,
_.dh

On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 04:06 AM, Ron Davis wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From: D H
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Ron Jim to Ron

<snip>

From: “” <thethird@myway.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Panic attacks and ideas to work w/ people post-ibo
Date: November 29, 2004 at 6:57:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey knowone knowwhere, thanks for the reply to my questions. You asked about my suboxone dose, I take 12mgs a day, which I think is about the average dose, maybe a little lower, but it works for me in helping my panic attacks / cravings. I think it’s interesting that panic attacks led you to opiates also. I started getting them when I was fifteen, around the time when I first tried pot. I remember getting really stoned and it actually made me feel out of whack for a couple days. I think it had to do with feeling out of control when I got high, and I had never felt like that before and it scared me. My first panic attack happened when I was in school (of course). I was in Spanish class and not paying attention to anything that I was supposed to. If I remember correctly I hadn’t been to class in a couple days and was way behind and had no idea what everyone was saying in Spanish. Then the teacher suddenly startled me out of some daydream I was having and told me to go to the board and translate some sentence. Well, I had no idea where to start, and wham, I heard a slight roaring sound and everything started looking a little distorted with black around the edges (tunnel vision) and I was smack dab in the middle of my first panic attack. The fact I had no idea I was having a panic attack made it ten times worse because I thought I must be going crazy. After that I got panic attacks pretty often. It turns out it’s a genetic trait I share with much of my family (My Mom remembers going to the grocery store as a child and seeing my Grandma’s knuckles go white as she clenched her hands in fear because she was having a panic attack going to the market). Over the next 6 or 7 years I tried imipramine, paxil, and zoloft. I was on zoloft the longest, which was a few years. Also, for about the whole 6 or 7 years I had steady prescriptions for clonazepam (generic klonopin), which I didn’t take everyday, but only when I could use it to stop / prevent attacks. All of that took a little bite out of my panic attacks, but when I was about 23 a situation arose where I was with some people who wanted to try some china white, and so I said what the hell, let’s try it. For the first few times I felt a little sick, but I had this underlying sense of perfect calm which I had always craved since I can remember. I’ve always over-analyzed everything and had bouts of OCD. My mind just wouldn’t shut up until I did smack and finally I had some mental peace. I also realized that my panic attacks were gone. It was like a miracle. The thought of going back to life with all the anxiety and panic was unbearable. I am not the kind of person that sees heroin as evil disguised as a substance, and I didn’t want to stop doing it because it is illegal or because I thought it was morally wrong. It is just too expensive and withdrawals suck and my family didn’t like me on dope so if I wanted to maintain a relationship with them then I had to stop. Also my view of myself became lowered because I felt like a slave to it. So I eventually saw that my quality of life would be higher without it. Even though I had the best peace of mind ever while high, and that my brain chemistry seems to balance out with opiates, it just wasn’t the route that would make me happiest. So, I will go back to school, major in psychology, and hopefully one day work with other addicts who have taken Ibogaine and help them get the most from their experience. At first I was taking classes pointed toward a degree in Comp. Science (perfect for minds that over-analyze), but after all my drug and ibogaine experiences I couldn’t help but change my goal. I would be interested in hearing anyone’s ideas about the best things to do post-ibogaine to make the most of the experience. I want to learn the most I can about Ibogaine because I really would like to work with people who have used it. So, please, if anybody can tell me ways that they think would help other people post-ibogaine, (I’ve got an open mind, so I’ll listen to ALL ideas) let me know so that when I get my degree I will be armed with i nformation from people who have first hand experience.
Thanks.

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 4:01:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy,
I believe possibly the point is not about the credibility of your providers and those you have met. The truth is that when ever there exists a way to make money off of someone elses pain, there ALWAYS exists unscrupulous individuals who are only in it for the money. Any one who has been a junkie has definitley interacted to some degree with this type of person(usually minus a soul or conscience). So this is just a scam of a larger scale. Take the money, put them in a hotel, no doubt deal annonymously, and if things get tough…scram! This is worldwide and just like any business transaction from buying fruit to homes, you have to know where to get the good stuff that is properly represented.
Anyone that’s trying to accomplish something big or that is considered a new frontier is bound to make some people uncomfortable. I believe it is the same quality that drives a person to accomplish a monumentous feat , is also that same drive that pisses some people off. Intense is intense. Opposite side of the same coin.
Randy, hope you are well. Getting pissed off is part of our reality. However, I still feel you need to BREATHE!
Much love,
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 29, 2004 at 3:38:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,
I understand the fatigue part. I was too fatigued to be bored. I also found a lot of what I went through during my session didn’t come to the surface and make sense until something, usually very obscure, or someones action, inuendo or verbalizations clicked something in my memory(brain or mind?) that made me understand the significance of some of my visions. It was also about being alone with someone(self) that you’re not sure of what is your motivation, likes, dislikes, reactions to things now that it’s not thru a drug veil. Note the difference between being alone and lonely, or solace and isolation, or time to reflect and boredom.
Getting to know you, getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you, getting to hope you like me.
Haven’t you noticed, suddenley we’re light and breezy,
Because of all the beautiful and new things I’m learning about you day by day!
I know this is Korny as hell but it just came out. I never was a hugh fan of showtunes. Where ever inspiration and acknowledgment comes, hey it’s all good!
Truth be told, I feel like the noribogaine has left my brain. Elvis has left the building!! I have had some lower dips than the past few months but am still doing ok. I guess this is the reality part. My advice to you would be to do whatever work on yourself spiritually, emotionally, physically (to stay balanced) so you can stay healthy. I am looking forward to starting an already long standing established Ibogaine therapy group on Thursday. I’ll be the new kid on the block.
Jasen, I feel you are an intelligent, kind, open minded, receptive young man and I’m in your corner along with so many others and all your angels.
Sending healing energy and love your way,
Martee

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

You could try singing? Drawing? Explore those vibrations and see
what further healing and messages come when you take the active
role in place of eboga, carrying on your healing. Boredom may be
just the veil your habits are throwing over the next stage. Beware
of endings that amount to dissatisfaction. 🙂

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:57:33 -0800 Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
THANKS randy.
I AM SOOO BORED,CANYOU GUYS COME OVER.
You are right about aftercare,there is a lot of work to be done to

heal the
world.
I realised something being over the other side of the world,your
vibratioal
frequencies tune into
Different parts of the world depending on where you are born,which

port hole
on earth through your mothers womb,life without end,..a spiral,no
beginning
and no end
So when you live away from where you were born,it can feel as if
everything
is twice as hard.Like you are going against the grain..

IT MAY BE THE ONLY WAY HOWEVER IN CAN BE DONE IN A MUCH BIGGER AND
BETTERWAY,IF GREED MOVED OVER A TRIFLE.
Sara’S is very affordable. Just fuc ing boring. SORRY sara,I do
love you and
you are a princess,the bwiti princess,her vibes hide her princess
appearances as others see her,but I KNOW BECAUSE I saw,SARA IS THE

bwiti
PRINCESS.

Eboga must be taken naturally,to be effective on every plain,to
work on
every frequency the body neads to heal.WE ARE 4 DIMENSIOAL BEINGS
and need
healing on all freqences. Science and Natural medicine must work
together.
Love you all Jasen.
_____

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Verzonden: maandag 22 november 2004 12:32
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen you freakin’ ROCKKK. See. It’s the only way, huh. Tell us
more when
you can. How long are you going to be there? I’d stay as long as I

could if
I were you. Everybody was right about aftercare. It sure makes me
feel
better about everything. Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW
Date: November 29, 2004 at 3:18:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <drugwar@mindvox.com>

Ahh, you tourist. You gotta know where to GO to drink and smok…oh, hold on, that bad dream you’re talking about? Never mind, I don’t want to depress you any further.
;-))

How is this different from every other day — other than the camera
crew.<

How is it different? Um, well, I sat and watched it? It was right outside my door? I wasn’t being arrested? LOL, there’s LOTS of ways it’s different…this time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW

On Nov 29, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

channel Discovery Times is showing drug busts on Ave. D. Remember Ave. D Patrick?

Mmmmmm, Avenue D. HappY! So many good memories. HOW DARE THEY!?!??!?!?!

This SUCKS! Cops on rooftops busting people in my neighborhood, on tv. Police state central.

How is this different from every other day — other than the camera crew.

Walking through hot spots in Harlem or da glorious South Bronx — Hunts Point! Coke, Dope & Ho’s! — there’s often a group of little kids bouncing around or sitting on car hoods, staring at some rooftop and getting Very Excited. LooOOK!!!@#!#@# THE MAN is PLAYING a FUN GAME! They’re gathered on Yet Another Rooftop. They’re plaYing (ops & R0bberZ@#!@#!@#!!!!!! 2 (oOl!

Anyway, it’s on now on tv. And so far, no arrests, just attempted drug busts. I love it.

TelebiyzshuN. The Magical Glowing boX. Fun for All Eternity.

Patrick

p.s., Preston, I am personally very disappointed in NYC. First Times Square, then the LES… It’s all become Happy Shiny Safe & Sanitized. The Horror! Before you know it, they’ll ban smoking in otherwise healthy places like bars. “I’m sorry sir, you can’t light a cigarette while your getting drunk inside Mars. Don’t you know they’re bad for you? It’s still okay to bang up in the bathrooms, just wipe up your own blood please and use the mop if you’re a lightweight and vomit all over things n’ stuff.”

Nah, that’s just a bad dream; never happen.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message
Date: November 29, 2004 at 11:59:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW
Date: November 29, 2004 at 11:22:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Nov 29, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

channel Discovery Times is showing drug busts on Ave. D. Remember Ave. D Patrick?

Mmmmmm, Avenue D. HappY! So many good memories. HOW DARE THEY!?!??!?!?!

This SUCKS! Cops on rooftops busting people in my neighborhood, on tv. Police state central.

How is this different from every other day — other than the camera crew.

Anyway, it’s on now on tv. And so far, no arrests, just attempted drug busts. I love it.

TelebiyzshuN. The Magical Glowing boX. Fun for All Eternity.

Patrick

p.s., Preston, I am personally very disappointed in NYC. First Times Square, then the LES… It’s all become Happy Shiny Safe & Sanitized. The Horror! Before you know it, they’ll ban smoking in otherwise healthy places like bars. “I’m sorry sir, you can’t light a cigarette while your getting drunk inside Mars. Don’t you know they’re bad for you? It’s still okay to bang up in the bathrooms, just wipe up your own blood please and use the mop if you’re a lightweight and vomit all over things n’ stuff.”

Nah, that’s just a bad dream; never happen.

From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 26 Nov 2004 16:06:40 -0000 Issue 801
Date: November 29, 2004 at 11:01:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Nov 26, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Ron Davis wrote:

Photoz plZ

Patrick

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] received message & Treatment
Date: November 29, 2004 at 10:03:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,

From what i have read you have received pretty much all the advice anyone can give you here on the list. So the best this list can do for you right now is to send words of support your way.

Sara also has pure ibogaine – as far as I know.

So how about it? You have nothing to lose.

Love & Light to You

Lee

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 29, 2004 at 9:47:09 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear “not so slow” Slowone

Thank you very much for your reply. Very interesting indeed.

In my own case (apart from 3 therapeutic MDMA sessions after my first eboga experience) I have based the past 6 years of my journey on the sacramental use of eboga to travel the inner recesses of my psyche and encounter the hidden demons of my past. I have unlocked practically every door (I am presently aware of) within me and have experienced nothing short of miraculous recovery. I eagerly look forward to completing the 3 books I am working on to share all the details of what I have experienced.

So I have not felt any need to enter the world of ayahuasca. However from what you write it is definitely something I will explore at some stage. Forgive me if I say (what some may take as heresy) but I find eboga to be a complete cure when used with the right intention, a sufficiently discerning mind and a heart that seeks as its ultimate goal a deep experience of love. Why?

Because it is very much spiritually guided and events in one life fall into place to move the process along if one is willing to undergo the changes and take the risks.

I like what you say about eboga and how it brings you in contact with specific deep issues. (I assume we are talking about low doses here) It confirms exactly what I am trying to promote in my writings: the use of eboga to resolve childhood trauma and abuse and to advance ones spirituality via the growth of consciousness which ensues.

There is absolutely no doubt that ongoing use of eboga is both surprising and humbling. It is also wonderfully liberating.

The part I find interesting for myself is how I went from a scientific agnostic to a believer & admirer of the God and the Goddess. Two great kind (non imposing) and generous entities in my opinon. You could say the perfect parents. And yet with them I sense a humility which accepts me lovingly as I am and allows me to grow from there. Its almost like a growing friendship.

Good idea to use as an adjunct to therapy.

One observation I would make on the healing action of eboga is this. A particular emotion such as abandonment, loss of a loved one etc can be resolved (when the time is right) by an experience of accelerated healing with eboga. By that I mean, the concentration of all the pain is oosed out of the psyche like the puss from a boil and that is something which conventional therapy imo cannot do. That is why I recommend to anyone who is interested in full recovery to invest time and trust in its healing ways. It has many miracles to offer.

Love & Peace

Lee

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:38:59 -0800 Lee Albert
wrote:
>It sounds as though (from what you write) ayahuasca by its nature
>is more rewarding in the group experience?

For me it has been.

>Yet I would not make
>the same observation about eboga – perhaps at a certain stage it
>could be something to explore – as the experience tends to be
>highly personal – for the most part.

My solo eboga experiences have been mixed. Immediate issues such as
obsessive blocked anger have been resolved nicely, and sometimes I
have gotten insights into deeper problems, but it seems that eboga
in sufficient dose ultimately draws me to a trauma which I cannot
handle. Maybe someday.. meanwhile I can work on building a better
me. A mere taste on the tongue before therapy is my main use at
this point.

>I certainly agree that any experience has its own optimum set &
>setting.

For ibogaine I believe that could be a group of caring and
compassionate people who would welcome the person into the world
and compensate for all the pain and neglect that may have been
suffered at the hands of others. The baby physical helplessness of
the ibogaine experience is a wonderful opportunity to learn to
depend on others, for those of us who have been Gollum-ized by this
world.

Economics dictate that this would either be a church or a group
treatment and therapy setting.

In the meantime, the better integration with aftercare, the better.

>I am curious what you mean by deep body learning?

Long tedious absorption of the vine, with little or none of the DMT
‘light’ to take the mind elsewhere, followed by some weeks of
feeling more grounded and having insights comparable to post-eboga.
Possibly it could be like noribogaine if one could take that
directly.

>What do you see as its (ayahuasca) ongoing benefits?

Briefly, strength and love, if used for that purpose.

If you read the literature, and the experience reports on erowid
and elsewhere, you will find that the cultures and personal
experiences are all over the map.

>Are you located in Holland?

No.

>Hope I am not bombarding you with too many questions. Its an area
>I no little about but am curious to understand better. What I have

>read has not really enlightened me much.

>
>slowone@hush.ai wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:15:16 -0800 Lee Albert
>wrote:
>>Similarly I am not a great fan of DMT from what I have read as I
>>think its a shortcut to spiritual dimensions best reserved for
>>those whose souls have been prepared for the experience.
>Otherwise
>
>>the combination of ones own inner demons coupled with the doors
>>which are been opened can lead to serious problems afterwards
>imo.
>
>In my experience, the container is all-important. So far the best
>one for me is group singing in a church setting, which is what I
>started with. The first time I did my own homebrew, the message
>was, “why are you doing this alone, your path is to connect with
>people,” and the church has been my satisfaction and growth ever
>since. (I also learn in free-form group singing without the
>religious or entheogenic aspects.) Plus with ayahuasca there is
>the
>vine, which on its own can take one on a slow unhallucinogenic
>path
>of deep body learning. It is all work, the hardest and deepest
>that
>one is capable of, no shortcuts I thoroughly agree.
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] received message
Date: November 29, 2004 at 9:10:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i do not know what bouncing means. does it mean someone is reading my email? i have security. please clue me in. i know very little about computers and what all this means. i here looking for a way to get and stay straight and save my life. please help me understand what’s going on. ron..at work today

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Ron Jim to Ron
Date: November 29, 2004 at 9:06:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

DH:
can you tell me what bouncing messages mean? i’ve tried to follow protocol but must be missing something. i know little of computers. i’ forwarding an old message from schmooly with your follow up. i d/n want to be taken off this list, but do not know what to do to remedy it. can you help or will you help? many thanks, ron rwd3@cox.net
—– Original Message —–
From: D H
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Ron Jim to Ron

Tapering slowly is the only way i know of kicking benzo’s.

And Scmooleyboy has a point.

Taking responsibility for yourself is generally a pre-requisite for overcoming any sort of addiction.

then comes the action part, the “doing”.

You’re only ready when you are truly ready.

On Saturday, November 20, 2004, at 07:12 AM, Schmoolyboy@aol.com wrote:

Ron,
You keep blameing everyone but youyrself. Yes, most doctors suck. But there are good king knowlegable people out there who will help you. If you know what is right for you, why don’t you just do it. You can buy valium or any other benzo on the web without vere seeing a doc.

Do the teper, get a program, deal with the posy acute withdrawal that will last 3-6 months and alas—- you get your life back.

Get off the pity pot, it’s sounding old. I know this is really hard but on some level no matter how you do it, you must pay the piper.

I kinbow numerous folks who are benzo clean because they really wanted it. wanted more then anything else. They did exactly what they where told to do by qualified detox experts who had a proven track record and they made it. was it hell?–yes to some degree. was it worth it? they always say yes.

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Darpan facing charge of trafficking ayahuasca
Date: November 29, 2004 at 5:09:02 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heard about this today. I met this guy over the summer, he’s very lovely. Could be a tough case. If anyone wants to get in touch to give legal advice or local support please mail me off list

Nick

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 4:43:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 29, 2004 at 12:42:00 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I did not at all mean to hassle Dr Mash. Just tell her that some folks have questions and concerns and then she could decide if she wanted to share. If I were her I would not mind repeating what I said to reporter. If I were her and did not share with reporter there were deaths I would want to clear that up too.
I also do not think she is accountable to anyone involved in Ibogaine. We can only be accountable for ourselves and our actions.
No need to apologize,
Callie

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] nypd drug busts on ave. d on tv NOW
Date: November 29, 2004 at 12:35:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

channel Discovery Times is showing drug busts on Ave. D. Remember Ave. D Patrick?
This SUCKS! Cops on rooftops busting people in my neighborhood, on tv. Police state central.
Anyway, it’s on now on tv. And so far, no arrests, just attempted drug busts. I love it.
;-0)))) (But it’s early, But damnit they’re crusing my streets, and have no busted little graffitti artists for marijuana. Darn it, pigs.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:46:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie I wasn’t being serious I don’t get the impression that Mash is
going to chat about her opinions with anyone on the list 😉 I’m sure
Patrick has no trouble finding her, he sees her every day and he only
runs Mindvox. I’m sure Schmooly has no trouble finding her. I’m sure
that parts of the list are read by her or even the whole list goes to
some mailbox of hers. I don’t think she has the belief thats anything
she does is accountable to anyone else involved with ibogaine.

My impressions only 🙂 I also think that hassling Mash isn’t going to
make any big positive change. Years of that and all the lawsuits in the
world havne’t done it. Maybe Patrick will get hassled for people from
Mindvox who dare to bother her 😉 That will be about it.

Her email appears all over Mindvox, all over the net, University of
Miami, she’s not hard to look up.

Sorry Patrick 😉

.:vector:.

— CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/28/2004 8:08:30 PM Central
Standard Time,
vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:

think the only person with the data would be
Patrick’s mom, that Dr. Mash lady 😉

anyone know how to get in touch with Mash? I think I
had her e-mail addy at
one time but have yet to find it today. If anyone
has it, invite her to list
to explain what she told reporter.
Think?
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:17:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/28/2004 8:08:30 PM Central Standard Time, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:
think the only person with the data would be
Patrick’s mom, that Dr. Mash lady 😉

anyone know how to get in touch with Mash? I think I had her e-mail addy at one time but have yet to find it today. If anyone has it, invite her to list to explain what she told reporter.
Think?
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Paula
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:02:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paula,
Could or would you share about yourself? Of course, it is not necessary but you have piqued my curiosity. First with that very angry and judgmental (in my opinion) post to my friend Preston. Then again by posting all these articles in anger management.
Are you trying to redeem yourself? If so, it is not necessary. An apology never hurts but that is really not necessary unless it honestly comes from your heart.
If you have already shared about yourself, please forgive me as I must have missed it.
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 28, 2004 at 10:10:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/28/2004 11:32:31 AM Central Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
Too bad Sara and Schmoolyboy are not working together. Then you
could have the best of both worlds.

What a treatment team a lot of you could be if you all could work together! The ‘Ibogaine Dream Team’!!!!!!!lol!
Callie

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Schmoolyboy_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 28, 2004 at 9:14:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have just read this stuff in books. They state 300 dosages in 3 years. Yet, I know people who have done more then that amount and are fine.

The crash ,,they say is serotonin depletion. They recoommend taling 20 mgs Prosac 0ne – two hours after taking X. Others say to take it the next day. Taking it while on x makes sense.

I have never felt a crash from it but have only tried it a few times.

It made me throw up at first but the sex on it was spiritual mystic great etc…

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine deaths
Date: November 28, 2004 at 9:04:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t think this flew under the radar. These deaths have been talked
about here so many times over years of time, at least one or two of
them when they happened. I think the only person with the data would be
Patrick’s mom, that Dr. Mash lady 😉 I’m not sure the exact reaons why,
I do however think that she is recogised as the worldwide authority on
ibogaine in humans, so whenever there is a death the police invite her.
I’m sure Patrick or Howard could explain better or tell me I’m wrong 🙂
If there is any ‘real data’ I don’t think anyone is going to hand it
out 😉

.:vector:.

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Sara, thank you for asking the obvious. I’m trying to keep a positive

attitude so I won’t rant about what was said. Why haven’t we heard
about this? Are we suddenly out of the loop? I don’t believe that we
are. Seems like someone would have heard about this. How do we know
this wasn’t self administered? Is there any post mortem blood work on

any of these people? I’d sure like to see some real data on this. If
there is any. Randy

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 28, 2004 at 8:12:20 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think maybe Sara might be just the person to write such a letter to the editor
don’t you? After all, people need to be made responsible for their claims
especially when they are in a position to cause harm to those who are trying
to bring assistance to all of those in need of that help.

My two cents worth!!!

ann
think@francomm.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks

In a message dated 11/28/04 5:19:18 PM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

<< How many people died in an Hotel room after they have been treated

With Ibogaine?

how many died from Heroin over dose in an Hotel room?

How is it possible to know?

Where can I get an info. About Ibogaine death in Hotel rooms? >>

Well Sara,

I would say you have to go to the source. See quoted material below.

<<There have been several documented deaths in connection with the drug. But
because the ibogaine was not taken in a clinical setting, the cause of death
was never firmly established. Some fatalities may have been caused by
preexisting heart conditions made lethal by ibogaine’s effects. Mash is confident that
there are more that have gone unreported. “There are some pretty unethical
people” giving clandestine treatments, she says. “They just leave patients for
dead in hotel rooms.”>>

If Mash has knowledge of ibogaine fatalities and is withholding information,
that would seem pretty serious of itself. If she doesn’t have such
information then that cetainly leaves a lot wanting for a scientist to make
unsubstantiated claims of this kind. Possibly a letter to the editor of the LA times
might be appropriate to seek clarification.

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 28, 2004 at 7:53:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/28/04 5:19:18 PM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

<< How many people died in an Hotel room after they have been treated

With Ibogaine?

how many died from Heroin over dose in an Hotel room?

How is it possible to know?

Where can I get an info. About Ibogaine death in Hotel rooms? >>

Well Sara,

I would say you have to go to the source. See quoted material below.

Howard

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 28, 2004 at 7:22:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara, thank you for asking the obvious. I’m trying to keep a positive attitude so I won’t rant about what was said. Why haven’t we heard about this? Are we suddenly out of the loop? I don’t believe that we are. Seems like someone would have heard about this. How do we know this wasn’t self administered? Is there any post mortem blood work on any of these people? I’d sure like to see some real data on this. If there is any. Randy

From: Rachel Radhakrishna <rachelradha@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] aftercare
Date: November 28, 2004 at 6:20:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Surprise surprise, my mother has joined the 21st
century.

We danced at String Cheese last night and it was
mostly good. Jeff told some friends what was going
on, and it was interesting to hear and witness their
reactions. I abandoned him in the afterblur, and
ended up talking to the Mama Prankster Goddess about
holding up one’s man whilst kickin’ and learned quite
a lot. Like to take better care of myself! “Ooh,
they get so CRANKY don’t they???”

Yeah… for all the stressing I did before the
treatment, preparing about his mood changes
afterwards was not part of my outlook. Got him some
GABA for mood stabilization and 5-HTP today at the
Whole Foods, and also a chlorophyll-oxygen liquid.

This afternoon clouds in the sky look like angels
eating Eboga or peyote over the Philadelphia Art
Museum, and a hawk flies, soaring, to land on the
copper ornamentation at the peak of the building. We
sit on our own perch above the Schuykill River,
watching the wood detritus float and flop and turn in
the little falls. My life feels like I am a piece of
snapped off tree branch, caught in an eddy at the
bottom of a waterfall. Yet I can sit above on the
cliff with my arms spread out, setting sun shining
warm, and wind blowing me into another, altogether
glorious state. Jeff warns me not to try to fly, and
I laugh sadly, wishing that jumping off the edge was
easier for me to contemplate. His hair was blowing
wild, a mane of silver light, and very handsome.

It’s good to be not in New York, and out of that
fucking apartment. Even if my mom thinks he has
anemia and I hate having to lie to her.

Anyway, love to all, especially the bitches, as I
showed myself to be a royal one last night. xo Rachel

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From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 28, 2004 at 7:21:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Where can I get an info. About Ibogaine death in Hotel rooms?Sara

VMANN: try here:
http://scholar.google.com/
vigilius haufniensis

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 28, 2004 at 5:17:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

How many people died in an Hotel room after they have been treated
With Ibogaine?
how many died from Heroin over dose in an Hotel room?
How is it possible to know?

Where can I get an info. About Ibogaine death in Hotel rooms?

Sara

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Ann B. Mullikin [mailto:think@francomm.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 27 november 2004 21:48
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks

Thank you very much for taking the time and trouble to put this up!!!!

ann
think@francomm.com

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From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks

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http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,
0,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

The Magical Mystery Tour

Drug and alcohol addicts are going abroad in search of the purported
miracle
treatment called ibogaine. But will the drug industry embrace a substance
that
causes a hallucinatory high?
By Vince Beiser
Special to The Times

surface;
sometimes they sink straight down, disappearing into darkness. Then there
are
three ships, coming in to dock at three tubes; he knows, somehow, that
they
are building a bomb, and if all three dock successfully it will explode.
He
tries to direct them away, but can’t. The final ship enters the final
tube. A
titanic explosion collapses everything into darkness.

Then it all starts again.

While Craig’s mind reels through this visual cacophony, his body lies
quietly
in a darkened room in a house near Tijuana, deep in the grip of a powerful
psychedelic drug. His wife, his children and his upper-middle-class home
in Salt
Lake City are all far, far away.

Craig is not some crystal-collecting spiritual seeker on a Carlos
Castańeda
trip. He is a prosperous, respected restaurant owner, age 50. He is
friendly
with the mayor and active in mainstream charities. Other than family
vacations
to the Bahamas and Mazatlan, Mexico, this is the only time he has been
outside
of the United States.

Craig is here because he is desperate. He is addicted to
painkillers—OxyContin, Lortab and other illegally obtained prescription
opiates. His habit is
costing him $1,500 a month, and he knows he must stop. Conventional detox
programs
have failed to help, so he has slipped over the border to try a treatment
that is as much an urban myth as a scientifically proven medication—and is

as
illegal as heroin in the United States.

The treatment is a dose of a powerful hallucinogen called ibogaine. It is
derived from the roots of a shrub called Tabernanthe iboga that grows in
Africa.
Local tribespeople have used it as a peyote-like sacrament for
generations.
Since the 1960s, it has circulated on the margins of Western drug culture,
sustained by its reputation as a potent healer. A single daylong trip on
ibogaine,
lore has it, can help break an addiction to heroin, cocaine, alcohol or
even
cigarettes.

Other hallucinogens such as Ecstasy have purported to be helpful in
treating
addiction, but interest in ibogaine seems to be approaching critical mass.

The
increasing number of anecdotal success stories has attracted the attention

of
researchers. Although there is no rock-solid proof, scientific consensus
is
growing that this drug may indeed possess potent addiction-thwarting
properties.

have
to involve breaking laws, because it’s legal in many countries. As a
result,
clinics are popping up from the Caribbean to Pakistan, offering ibogaine
treatment for a few thousand dollars to well over $10,000.

The clinic near Tijuana is, relatively speaking, among the most reputable.

It
was opened in 2001 by Martin Polanco, a Mexican doctor who was impressed
with
how ibogaine—obtained at an underground U.S. clinic—had helped one of his
relatives beat cocaine addiction. Polanco’s facility, known as the
Ibogaine
Association, has administered more than 350 treatments and currently has
10 to 15
new patients a month, says program director Randy Hencken.

Hencken, a gangly 28-year-old with curly hair and little studs in each
ear,
was one of Polanco’s first patients. He had dropped out of college at 21
to
devote himself to cocaine and, eventually, heroin. Over the years, he
tried
everything from 12-step programs to methadone to get clean, but nothing
worked. He
discovered ibogaine on the Internet, made his way to Polanco’s facility,
and
returned with his addiction broken. He has since embraced the cause with a
convert’s zeal, taking a job as the association’s main organizer.

On the summer day Craig is to begin his ibogaine experience, Hencken is
padding around a San Diego apartment that doubles as the association’s
U.S. office.
The place fits naturally in the beachside slacker-student-surfer
neighborhood. The front room is furnished with worn couches and a computer

emblazoned with
a Jane’s Addiction sticker. A bike and surfboards hang on hooks in the
kitchen.

Hencken, dressed in a black T-shirt and pants, hops into an unmarked van
and
drives to a dingy airport motel. Waiting in the parking lot is Craig, a
trim,
compact man wearing loafers, khakis and a Nike T-shirt.

“I’ve got to admit this is a little weird,” says Craig, who flew in from
Salt
Lake the night before. “I feel like we’re doing a drug deal.” Which, in a
sense, they are. Craig gets in the van and they roll south.

Craig is highly motivated to undertake this bizarre journey. He was an
alcoholic for years, with the smashed cars and nights in jail to show for
it. He
quit drinking 16 years ago and has stayed sober. But a few years ago he
was
prescribed painkillers for a knee injury and discovered that he liked
them. He
began downing fistfuls of pills daily, scoring them from one of his
employees. “At
first it was recreational,” he recalls. “But then you find yourself doing
them just to get from point A to B and you know it’s a problem.”

Last year, he checked himself into a rehab center and went cold turkey.
“It
was horrible,” he says. “You hurt from your bones in. I couldn’t sleep. I
cried
like a baby. I’d take hot baths all day and eat ibuprofen like candy.” He
stayed clean for six weeks and then fell off the wagon.

“I can’t stop myself. But I know I can’t go down that road again like I
did
with alcohol,” he says. “But when you’re on opiates, it really hurts to
stop.”
So when his dealer, who had been scouring the Internet for unconventional
ways
to kick drugs, told Craig about the Ibogaine Association, he decided he
had
little to lose.

“I just need to get this stuff out of my system,” he says, “and I’m
looking
for an easier, softer way.”

Ibogaine, as even its most ardent supporters say, is not a cure for drug
dependence; however, it apparently can play a potent role as an
addiction-interrupter. The drug has two powerful addiction-fighting
effects. The first is
biochemical: It seems to act on serotonin and opiate systems in the brain,
physically nullifying a person’s craving for drugs and smoothing their
withdrawal
symptoms. That’s a huge boon for those addicted to heroin and other
opiates, many
of whom shrink from the physical pain of detox.

“It has been proved to alleviate the pain and physical discomfort of drug
withdrawal with animals,” says Dr. Stanley Glick, a neuropharmacologist at

Albany
Medical Center in New York who has researched the drug for years. “And
there
are lots of reports of it doing the same with humans. You hear the same
story
a few thousand times, you’ve got to believe there’s something there.”

After a few weeks, this craving-blocking effect generally fades. But by
then,
users have been able to detox relatively painlessly, and then have a month

or
more free of drug cravings in which to do whatever it takes to stay clean.

“One dose of ibogaine is not a magic bullet,” says Dr. Deborah Mash, a
neurology professor at the University of Miami who has done the most
extensive
research on ibogaine’s effects on human beings. “But it can be a powerful
first
step on the road to recovery.”

The second effect is less tangible and more controversial. In many users,
ibogaine induces hours of staggering hallucinations while the patient
appears to
be sleeping. Many ibogaine users say they gained profound insights from
this
experience, which helps them to understand why they became addicts.

Greg Douglass, a former guitarist with the Steve Miller Band, credits a
session last year at the Ibogaine Association with helping him to kick
methadone.
Douglass had visions of himself as a terrified child, of his still-living
father in a coffin, of fantastic animals tearing each other apart in a red

sea.
Over the next several weeks, he says, he gradually came to understand some

of the
messages encoded in the visions.

“I’d be tying my shoes and suddenly have a little epiphany—’Aha, that’s
what
that meant.’ ” The visions, he says, “showed me the potential for myself
as a
human being.”

Beth Giuliano, a sturdy 25-year-old from New York, had been in and out of
rehab programs for years trying to kick heroin before she found her way to

the
Ibogaine Association in February. “I saw my mother holding an infant,” she

says,
describing her hallucinations. “I realized that was me. I felt the pain of
what it would be like to have a child who becomes a drug addict. I’d
always felt
guilty about my family, but I never really understood their pain until I
did
ibogaine.

“I woke up the next day seeing things a completely different way. I’d
never
felt so positive,” she says. “I felt like the person I was when I was
little or
like a whole new me.” She says she’s done heroin twice since her
treatment,
but didn’t enjoy it and has stayed clean for four months.

But there are plenty of people who discount the supposed wonder treatment.
For some, the visions are harrowing and the treatment is a failure. “It’s
like
acid times one million,” writes an anonymous naysayer on one of the many
web
sites devoted to ibogaine. “I saw God alright—I talked to him. And I was
so sure
it was real. But it wasn’t…. It was someone who [messed] with me and
scared
the [daylights] out of me.” This person’s account says that others who
took the
treatment at the same time saw themselves being crucified or raped. “It
didn’t work for me, and it didn’t work for anyone else that I personally
met who
took it,” the writer concludes.

Everyone agrees that ibogaine is no fun. It’s often emotionally
unsettling,
mentally exhausting and physically stressful. Its side effects can include
nausea, vomiting, loss of coordination and a potentially dangerous
reduction in
blood pressure and heart rate.

There have been several documented deaths in connection with the drug. But
because the ibogaine was not taken in a clinical setting, the cause of
death was
never firmly established. Some fatalities may have been caused by
preexisting
heart conditions made lethal by ibogaine’s effects. Mash is confident that
there are more that have gone unreported. “There are some pretty unethical
people” giving clandestine treatments, she says. “They just leave patients

for dead
in hotel rooms.”

“That’s why ibogaine needs to be legal and available in safe settings,”
Hencken says. “It needs to be in the hands of someone who can judge your
health,
your dosage and provide a safe environment.”

The Ibogaine Association requires clients to submit a medical history as
well
as undergo testing before treatment can begin. A doctor administers the
drug.
Still, the procedure seems remarkably casual.

From San Diego, Craig is brought to the association’s treatment facility,
a
rented house on a well-kept residential street near Tijuana. Only the
dining
room, which has been converted into a medication-equipped office, and the
oxygen
tanks under the stairs indicate that it is a medical establishment, of
sorts.

The doctor treating Craig is Francisco Cańez, a calm, round-faced man who
splits his time between the association and a hospital emergency room.
Craig sits
with his arms crossed, looking more than a tad nervous as Cańez reviews
his
file and calculates his ibogaine dosage. From a small jar, he shakes out
three
gelatin capsules filled with white powder and hands them to Craig.

Craig looks speculatively at the first pill, which he’ll take to make sure

he
doesn’t have an allergic reaction. “Well, I’ve put all kinds of things in
my
body,” he says, shrugging. Half an hour later, having evinced no untoward
initial responses, he swallows the other two pills.

Cańez then takes him into a bedroom, where sheets of Styrofoam cover the
windows and a CD softly plays rainforest sounds, and attaches him to a
heart
monitor next to the bed. The monitor’s graph flutters peacefully as the
ibogaine
gradually pulls Craig away. After a while, he just lies there silently,
engulfed
in a hallucinogenic hurricane.

After several hours, the visions gradually start to subside. Craig sits
up,
nauseated and dizzy. “That was a wild ride,” he mutters. Though he hasn’t
had a
painkiller in several days, he finds he doesn’t crave one now. He lies
down
again and drops back into his head for another hour. Finally, he revives
enough
to be moved to another house where he will spend the next day recovering.
He
totters out to the van with small, jittery steps.

Ibogaine’s addiction-fighting potential was discovered only recently, and
accidentally. It was sold as a stimulant in France during the middle
decades of
the last century, and an American psychologist and a psychiatrist dabbled
with
it in the 1950s and ’60s. So little was known about it that it could not
even
be considered a curiosity.

But in 1962, Howard Lotsof, a 19-year-old New York student with a heroin
habit and an appetite for other pharmacological kicks, scored some powder
that he
was told would give him a 36-hour trip. Lotsof and some of his junkie pals
experimented with it and, to their astonishment, found that it knocked out

their
heroin craving.

Mightily impressed, Lotsof tried to drum up street interest, and a little
cash for himself in the process. It never caught on in a big way, but it
did find
a place in counterculture lore—and got banned by the federal government in
1970. It was memorably cited by gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, who
speculated that “a bad ibogaine frenzy” was the likely explanation for
Democrat Ed
Muskie’s oddly emotional behavior in the 1972 presidential campaign.

Ibogaine’s legend grew as a constant trickle of adventurous addicts tried
it.
In the mid-’80s, Lotsof managed to patent ibogaine as an anti-addiction
palliative, and set up a company to try to bring it to market. An early
series of
treatments in the Netherlands looked promising, although there were a
couple of
ibogaine-related deaths elsewhere in Europe.

since
parted ways.) By 1993, Mash had won FDA approval to begin testing ibogaine

on
human subjects. But then one of Lotsof’s informal patients in the
Netherlands
died. In 1995, the National Institute on Drug Abuse decided not to proceed

to
clinical studies.

“Committee members were not all that impressed with its efficacy, but the
safety issue stopped them in their tracks,” says Frank Vocci, a federal
researcher who has followed ibogaine’s progress. “What you have are a lot
of
interesting, colorful anecdotes. But the plural of anecdotes is not
scientific data.”

A number of researchers around the country, however, have become
sufficiently
intrigued to continue experimenting with animals. Dozens of articles have
appeared in scientific journals, most of them reporting promising results
that
buttress the anecdotal evidence.

Mash is doing her own part to advance the cause. In 1996 she helped to
launch
an ibogaine clinic on the Caribbean island of St. Kitts. During the next
five
years, she gathered data on more than 300 patients who sought treatment
there—the largest body of serious clinical research on ibogaine ever
collected.

Mash presented her findings at a medical conference last fall in San
Francisco. Granted, her sample wasn’t representative of America’s drug
users: Most
were white men between 20 and 40 years old, the sort of addicts who can
afford to
spend several weeks and several thousand dollars detoxing in the
Caribbean.
Still, she declared that her research proves that ibogaine can be
administered
safely and does help break addictions. “We saw people with big methadone
habits lose their cravings after just a single dose of ibogaine,” she
says. “One
month later, both cocaine and opiate addicts reported cravings were
significantly lower. And at one year, drug use was significantly down
among testees.”

some of
its promoters are folks who may be of more interest to the attorney
general
than the surgeon general.

One of ibogaine’s most energetic boosters is Marc Emery, founder of a
Vancouver, Canada, clinic. Emery is a verbose, middle-aged man with bushy
hair and
corporate-casual clothes. You’d never guess that he heads the British
Columbia
Marijuana Party and is, by his reckoning, one of the world’s largest
sellers of
pot seeds. It is his personal mission to bring ibogaine to the masses,
because the drug helped his adopted son kick methadone and heroin. Until
this
spring, Emery offered free treatment in the Iboga Therapy House, a clinic
that
consists of a plush one-bedroom apartment in a Vancouver high-rise. With
his cash
flow crimped by business and legal troubles (he just spent two months in a
Saskatchewan jail for passing a joint at a gathering), he has stopped
funding the
clinic, putting its program on hold, but he remains supportive. “It was a
very
worthwhile investment,” he says. “The improvements I saw in our patients
were
significant and astonishing.”

Still, Emery’s enthusiasm is unlikely to change the minds of skeptics such

as
Dr. Herbert Kleber, head of the substance abuse division at Columbia
University’s school of medicine. “I’m in favor of anything that works, but

there needs
to be proof that it does, and that it doesn’t endanger patients,” he says.
“I’ve been in this field 35 years, and I’ve seen a lot of magic bullets.
They
often turn out to be worse than the disease.”

which
she believes is the key agent that blocks drug cravings. She is trying to
get
FDA approval to start human testing. On a parallel track, Stanley Glick
has
synthesized a chemical cousin of ibogaine dubbed 18-MC, which he also
hopes to
market.

Both Mash and Glick think their ibogaine derivatives will give users the
drug-blocking effect without the hallucinations—something both believe is
necessary if the FDA is to approve their products.

But would eliminating ibogaine’s psychedelic side diminish its
effectiveness?
No one knows. “For me, the ideal would be for people to take ibogaine in a
controlled environment, and use the experience as part of their
psychotherapy,”
Mash says. “Then slap a noribogaine patch on them.”

Mash and Glick also face a more prosaic obstacle: money. Funding
comprehensive clinical trials for a new drug is colossally expensive, and
so far neither
has found anyone willing to pony up the full cost. In October, a Los
Angeles
philanthropist pledged to give Mash $250,000 to restart research at the
University of Miami, but that’s only a tiny fraction of what will
eventually be
necessary if ibogaine is ever to be brought to market.

“The pharmaceutical industry has never wanted much to do with addiction
medicine,” Glick says. “It’s not very profitable, and it’s bad public
relations.”

Though there are millions of people addicted to various substances in the
U.S., many of them don’t want, or can’t afford, treatment. Worse, from a
bottom-line standpoint, an ibogaine-based treatment drug would be used
only once—a
feeble investment for companies accustomed to cash-cow refillable
prescriptions.

Which leaves people like Craig knocking on doors of unregulated ibogaine
clinics in a desperate search for something that will help defeat their
addictions.

“All these clinics popping up all over the world—it’s become almost a
cult-like phenomenon,” Glick says. “All the hype and politics around
ibogaine just
make my job harder. It means the scientific establishment and regulatory
agencies take a dim view.”

But the ranks of the believers keep growing. Six months after his ibogaine
treatment, Craig says he’s staying clean and feeling great. “That stuff
worked
just like it was supposed to,” he says. “It was so much better than the
detox I
tried. I don’t understand why it’s not legal.”

Editor’s note:

In this article, the name of the patient seeking ibogaine treatment in
Tijuana has been changed to protect his privacy. However, the Los Angeles
Times
Magazine has verified his identity and the circumstances described in the
article.
If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
latimes.com/archives.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…
Date: November 28, 2004 at 4:40:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh wow, that would be awesome!
Wee ways to go yet… but this has given me a boost, a well needed one. A piece of the puzzle perhaps?
Kirsty
I look forward to more contact :o)
From: ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com [mailto:ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com]  Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 5:14 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…

Kirsty,  I’ve been and continue to go to different countries to train people to do sessions and treatments with ibogaine. Usually if there are a few people interested in receiving the experience for various intentions, and a person or two who are interested in coordinating things and who want to be trained, it is very possible. I’m interested in having the expenses covered i.e. the cost of the ibogaine and the traveling only. If you e-mail me your number off list, if you prefer, i will call you. I would very much like to honor your vision. I have very few prerequisites. One is a person is clean from opiates, etc. for a few month period.   I hope you are in touch with me.    Franscesco  On Sun Nov 28 2:13 , ‘Capt Kirk’ <captkirk@free.net.nz> sent:
Oh WOW,. I just had a vision of a possible future for myself! There is nobody here in NZ, at least not that I have foundâ€¦. Who has done Ibogaine, or provides any sort of support, backup, therapy etc. I have completed one year Naturopathy and am Reiki 3, so maybe, just maybe, I could be trained to be an Iboga support person?? All going well of course.
Thank you Iâ€™ve been really lost lately, but this seems feasible to me.
Kirsty
From: ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com [mailto:ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com]  Sent: Sunday, 28 November 2004 5:16 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…

Randy,  Thank your for reply. If you still feel as you do a few months from now, i would like you to receive training so you can continue the work in the area you like.  My hope is in the next few years there will be treatments available in dozens of cities across your country with referal networks for transpersonal therapists, acupuncturists, and other practitioners of aftercare modalities located in all these areas. There is a lot to do and i see the possibilities because there is a new, energised generation of ibogaine assistants coming onto the scene. Any person who has become clean and remains so for several months has, as an option this service to perform.   Franscesco   On Tue Nov 23 6:51 , BiscuitBoy714@aol.com sent:
Frank, it has been my experience that the majority of old timers in AA don’t want hear about Ibogaine. The philosophy and the steps apply to any addiction so I go there to reinforce what I have already learned and accomplished. I am also an alcoholic so I am lucky enough to know first hand how much help is in the rooms. My sponsor is well aware of my situation and thinks Ibogaine is a great tool for recovery. He is rare. We have become pretty close over the years and he just wants me to be clean no matter what it takes. So my advice to anyone going to AA is to go to meetings and talk about your recovery just don’t try and win anyone over to Ibogaine. (YET) It is coming. I figure I will let the ones know who are addicts too after meetings and by just being clean and answering questions. I’ve already done this a few times. It is a little too much for some of the newly clean to handle sometimes so I watch and talk to the ones I think can handle it. I don’t know if I am qualified to do this or not but I will not stop until Ibogaine is available to those who need and want it. I feel like it is up to me to bring all of my efforts into a workable program. AA, therapist, the list and prayer are what I am going on now. The list is the most important part for me but that may change. All I know is I’m clean and I love it. You are forever in my heart and I will be indebted to you for your help the rest of my life. Thank you for your efforts in bringing Ibogaine out in the open in the US. As far as I know there is no one doing Ibogaine treatments in the KY,Tenn., West Virginia, southern Ohio area. They need help and I want to be there for them. Randy
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 28, 2004 at 4:30:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:12:10 -0800 Hannah Clay
<hannah.clay@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On of the first things I’m gonna
concentrate on is walking my dog more and sleeping proper hours
(I’m nocturnal at the moment)

That sounds good – plus nourishing your body and spirit, working
from the inside out to build strength. One day at a time – such a
cliche but so true, it’s life itself.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 28, 2004 at 4:28:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:38:59 -0800 Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
It sounds as though (from what you write) ayahuasca by its nature
is more rewarding in the group experience?

For me it has been.

Yet I would not make
the same observation about eboga – perhaps at a certain stage it
could be something to explore – as the experience tends to be
highly personal – for the most part.

I certainly agree that any experience has its own optimum set &
setting.

Economics dictate that this would either be a church or a group
treatment and therapy setting.

In the meantime, the better integration with aftercare, the better.

I am curious what you mean by deep body learning?

Long tedious absorption of the vine, with little or none of the DMT
‘light’ to take the mind elsewhere, followed by some weeks of
feeling more grounded and having insights comparable to post-eboga.
Possibly it could be like noribogaine if one could take that
directly.

What do you see as its (ayahuasca) ongoing benefits?

Briefly, strength and love, if used for that purpose.

If you read the literature, and the experience reports on erowid
and elsewhere, you will find that the cultures and personal
experiences are all over the map.

Are you located in Holland?

No.

Hope I am not bombarding you with too many questions. Its an area
I no little about but am curious to understand better. What I have

read has not really enlightened me much.

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:15:16 -0800 Lee Albert
wrote:
Similarly I am not a great fan of DMT from what I have read as I
think its a shortcut to spiritual dimensions best reserved for
those whose souls have been prepared for the experience.
Otherwise

the combination of ones own inner demons coupled with the doors
which are been opened can lead to serious problems afterwards
imo.

In my experience, the container is all-important. So far the best
one for me is group singing in a church setting, which is what I
started with. The first time I did my own homebrew, the message
was, “why are you doing this alone, your path is to connect with
people,” and the church has been my satisfaction and growth ever
since. (I also learn in free-form group singing without the
religious or entheogenic aspects.) Plus with ayahuasca there is
the
vine, which on its own can take one on a slow unhallucinogenic
path
of deep body learning. It is all work, the hardest and deepest
that
one is capable of, no shortcuts I thoroughly agree.

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From: Sapphirestardus@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) fwd- burroughs’ thanksgiving/links
Date: November 28, 2004 at 2:58:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To the bitch who calls herself Paula. Don’t ever speak for anyone but yourself when responding to a letter. Some of us, maybe many not only love Burroughs but also I don’t think Preston was in a “bad” place and I also in the same place and am quite pleased. Preston, you are only human and sometimes it is difficult to ignore things people say but Paula is exaclty one of the type people Burroughs was referring to so try and ignore her and enjoy this time as you can.

Regards

Julian

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace ebook Free Download to list members
Date: November 28, 2004 at 12:36:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Howard,
I opened it in PDF and yes could save it using the disk icon.
You learn something new every day.

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/28/04 10:07:31 AM, myeboga@yahoo.co.uk writes:

>I will leave the link active for the next 7 days. After that, anyone on
>the list who wishes to download, please email me off list and I will see
>to it you get a copy.

>Remember: RIGHT CLICK with the MOUSE button on the link below and SAVE
>to a folder. If you click directly it will open in PDF but you won’t be
>able to save a copy of the PDF as Explorer doesn’t allow it – Opera does.

>http://www.my-eboga.com/AmazingGrace-ebook.pdf

Hi Lee,

My version of explorer allows me to save the pdf. I just go to the toolbar
at the top of the window and click on the icon of a disk and that is a save as
command.

Howard

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report
Date: November 28, 2004 at 12:06:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Fakeplacebo,

Congratulation! God bless you!
it could be good for you to take a Turkish bath and drink a lot of water 2xweek.

All the best,

Sara

Van: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com]  Verzonden: zondag 28 november 2004 14:54 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report

Dear Randy,

I priciate for your valuable advices.Here in Turkey there is no good threapist who is specialist about drug dependency. They are very ignorant about this kind of problems. I tried to go to therapist but it did not worked. I think I can help myself better than others can.

This mailing list and friends from Iboga list are best for me. for example; you, Mr. Howard, Sara, Julie. Believe me your Iboga treatment is couraged and motivated me.

Thank You
Your Friend
FakePLacebo

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report

M, I am loving this. I was very glad to see that you had Sara’s help. See, the most loving and beautiful people in the world are out to help mankind no matter the cost. Sleep comes. I think you are doing great. Keep it up. Are you planning on getting a therapist? Some kind of aftercare is very important. It sure helps me. Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 28, 2004 at 12:03:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/28/04 11:36:20 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

LIST:

trying to find a definitive answer as i am getting wires crossed. does
ibo work on benzo w/d/? been thru everything else, now this stuff. i’m
suffering, the traditional rehab will kill me, i can’t move to the uk.
please help? many thanks, ron

Ron you are not getting a definitive answer because there is not a difinitive
answer yet. Some providers say no. Some providers say yes and some
providers say maybe. Welcome to the world of experimental medicine/shamanism.

The answer at this time is yes in some patients when administered by some
providers. Too bad Sara and Schmoolyboy are not working together. Then you
could have the best of both worlds.

Howard

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 28, 2004 at 12:01:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi from Jasen, he has no energy to write , but he likes to thanks everyone for being so kind and thinking of him.

Sara

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Verzonden: zaterdag 27 november 2004 16:29 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace ebook Free Download to list members
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:56:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/28/04 10:07:31 AM, myeboga@yahoo.co.uk writes:

I will leave the link active for the next 7 days. After that, anyone on
the list who wishes to download, please email me off list and I will see
to it you get a copy.

Remember: RIGHT CLICK with the MOUSE button on the link below and SAVE
to a folder. If you click directly it will open in PDF but you won’t be
able to save a copy of the PDF as Explorer doesn’t allow it – Opera does.

http://www.my-eboga.com/AmazingGrace-ebook.pdf

Hi Lee,

My version of explorer allows me to save the pdf. I just go to the toolbar
at the top of the window and click on the icon of a disk and that is a save as
command.

Howard

From: Paula <paulab@shaw.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wild Divine About the Game
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:52:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

biofeedback game, helps with lowering stress etc. Might help some of us lower the stress that comes….Paula

http://www.wilddivine.com/Game/
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From: Paula <paulab@shaw.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Silent Symphony
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:49:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

make’s the atmosphere a little brighter thru the dreary days of winter…Paula

http://www.solar-world.com/silent.htm
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From: Paula <paulab@shaw.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] EFT Manual The Basic Steps to Your Emotional Freedom
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:48:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nice pictoral, maybe a good place to start…Paula

http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse.htm
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From: Paula <paulab@shaw.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Self help for misdirected anger, aggression, and violence.
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:47:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

might be a procedure for helping after ibogaine good pictures of the procedure, some similarity to emdr…Paula

http://www.redirectingselftherapy.com/anger.html
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:35:27 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LIST:
trying to find a definitive answer as i am getting wires crossed. does ibo work on benzo w/d/? been thru everything else, now this stuff. i’m suffering, the traditional rehab will kill me, i can’t move to the uk. please help? many thanks, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen,

maybe take the train to amsterdam and see the museums, have some dutch french fries (the best) or some pankoecken, appleflap, toasties and a hot cup of tea. yum. then walk along the canals or rent a bike and pedal around the city, if it’s not too cold.

_.dh

On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 09:28 AM, <slowone@hush.ai> wrote:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:57:33 -0800 Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
THANKS randy.
I AM SOOO BORED,CANYOU GUYS COME OVER.
You are right about aftercare,there is a lot of work to be done to

heal the
world.
I realised something being over the other side of the world,your
vibratioal
frequencies tune into
Different parts of the world depending on where you are born,which

bwiti
PRINCESS.

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Verzonden: maandag 22 november 2004 12:32
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen you freakin’ ROCKKK. See. It’s the only way, huh. Tell us
more when
you can. How long are you going to be there? I’d stay as long as I

could if
I were you. Everybody was right about aftercare. It sure makes me
feel
better about everything. Randy

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From: ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…
Date: November 28, 2004 at 11:14:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Franscesco

On Sun Nov 28 2:13 , ‘Capt Kirk’ <captkirk@free.net.nz> sent:

Oh WOW,. I just had a vision of a possible future for myself! There is nobody here in NZ, at least not that I have foundâ€¦. Who has done Ibogaine, or provides any sort of support, backup, therapy etc. I have completed one year Naturopathy and am Reiki 3, so maybe, just maybe, I could be trained to be an Iboga support person?? All going well of course.
Thank you Iâ€™ve been really lost lately, but this seems feasible to me.
Kirsty
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace ebook Free Download to list members
Date: November 28, 2004 at 10:05:53 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

I know I am very late in saying this but Happy Thanksgiving to you all. Its a very special day for many on the list (regardless of its political origins) and I hope that many of you enjoyed it surrounded by your loved ones.

So, as a very late Thanksgiving Day gift I want to make available to anyone on the list who is interested, a digital copy of the book Amazing Grace, which has just recently been publish. It is an eclectic piece of work. So I am sure there will be something in it to interest everyone.

I will leave the link active for the next 7 days. After that, anyone on the list who wishes to download, please email me off list and I will see to it you get a copy.

Remember: RIGHT CLICK with the MOUSE button on the link below and SAVE to a folder. If you click directly it will open in PDF but you won’t be able to save a copy of the PDF as Explorer doesn’t allow it – Opera does.

http://www.my-eboga.com/AmazingGrace-ebook.pdf

Hasta la Proxima,

Lee

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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report
Date: November 28, 2004 at 8:54:28 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Randy,

This mailing list and friends from Iboga list are best for me. for example; you, Mr. Howard, Sara, Julie. Believe me your Iboga treatment is couraged and motivated me.

Thank You
Your Friend
FakePLacebo

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 28, 2004 at 8:38:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It sounds as though (from what you write) ayahuasca by its nature is more rewarding in the group experience? Yet I would not make the same observation about eboga – perhaps at a certain stage it could be something to explore – as the experience tends to be highly personal – for the most part.
I certainly agree that any experience has its own optimum set & setting.
I am curious what you mean by deep body learning?
What do you see as its (ayahuasca) ongoing benefits?
Are you located in Holland?
Hope I am not bombarding you with too many questions. Its an area I no little about but am curious to understand better. What I have read has not really enlightened me much.

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:15:16 -0800 Lee Albert
wrote:
>Similarly I am not a great fan of DMT from what I have read as I
>think its a shortcut to spiritual dimensions best reserved for
>those whose souls have been prepared for the experience. Otherwise

>the combination of ones own inner demons coupled with the doors
>which are been opened can lead to serious problems afterwards imo.

In my experience, the container is all-important. So far the best
one for me is group singing in a church setting, which is what I
started with. The first time I did my own homebrew, the message
was, “why are you doing this alone, your path is to connect with
people,” and the church has been my satisfaction and growth ever
since. (I also learn in free-form group singing without the
religious or entheogenic aspects.) Plus with ayahuasca there is the
vine, which on its own can take one on a slow unhallucinogenic path
of deep body learning. It is all work, the hardest and deepest that
one is capable of, no shortcuts I thoroughly agree.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report
Date: November 28, 2004 at 8:30:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Treatment Report
Date: November 28, 2004 at 7:50:40 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

I started to treatment 14th of this month at the one of my friends house who is medical doctor. My care giver was good boy and he was very helpfull but my treatment started with the very bad things.

30 hours after my last took of oppiates I gone in totaly withdrawal; started rolling on the ground. I asked him to start Iboga treatment and finaly he gave me half grams of Ibogain (to see what is going on). After two hours later and after many discussions he gave me two grams more. I asked him the dose that I decided before (8 grams). four hours later I asked him to call Sara and after phone call he gave me 3 grams more. I said to him this is foolish. In the 12 hours time period I took totaly 10 grams of Iboga. (by the permission of Sara on the phone). I experienced no visualisation but also I never experienced withdrawal. During the first 12 hours of period I puked many times.

3 days later I could be availble for drink something or eat. I was so weak and I never sleep deep or more than 2-3 hours after Iboga treatment. 12 days after treatment I experienced some personality changes on me. After Iboga I go anger very quickly with anger I feel power ( dangerous one). I feel myself very sensetive for everything. For example light, sweet, cold weather etc..

In spite of first few day’s weakness for two days I feel so instigated and angry.

But I’m happy because first time I feel that I can realy quit oppiates.

Iboga is magic plant

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…
Date: November 28, 2004 at 7:50:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Franscesco, I feel like everything I have done up until now has been training for the rest of my life. I truly care about people and I want to give back to society what was given to me. The person who treated me was one of the most warm hearted and loving individuals I have ever met. I strive to emulate that. My compadre’s in KY are paying up to 100 dollars for an 80mg. oxycontin. They see no way out, no alternative. I’d like to change that. Maybe it is my AA indoctrination. It doesn’t really matter. All I know is I feel compelled to want to help and I will go to any length to do so. I think that it is up to us to do what the government is afraid to do. The right thing. I have never been one to conform to what the government dictates and I won’t start now. Thank you for your kind words of encouragement and for helping to bring Ibogaine out in the open where it belongs. I’m proud of where I come from. There are some really good people down there. I, like most people in the South, am loyal to the end. You lead and I will follow until we don’t have to be underground anymore. I’d like to see Ibogaine offered in every methadone clinic in America. It should be an option sanctioned by the government and the Dr.’s responsible for all those methadone prescriptions should be versed on Ibogaine and it’s effects. It is the only way out of insane addictions for most of us. Peace and love to you and yours. Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…
Date: November 28, 2004 at 2:13:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh WOW,. I just had a vision of a possible future for myself! There is nobody here in NZ, at least not that I have found…. Who has done Ibogaine, or provides any sort of support, backup, therapy etc. I have completed one year Naturopathy and am Reiki 3, so maybe, just maybe, I could be trained to be an Iboga support person?? All going well of course.
Thank you I’ve been really lost lately, but this seems feasible to me.
Kirsty
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Theanine
Date: November 27, 2004 at 11:15:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dr. Tom !!

I was reading about the effect of thea nine and I found something about
Theanine to fight nicotine addiction . Could you share your experience with
this product in fighting addictions ?
Kindest regards
Francis

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From: <tomo7@starband.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “John Dore” <dorejj@aol.com>; <pacificozonecompany@yahoo.com>;
<sara119@xs4all.nl>; <tom@mapsltd.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Frank’s call for aftercare suggestions

Frank

I look forward to whatever suggestions or links you acquire from this
community. Better results and greater success in beating addiction seems
to hinge on better use of and awareness of all of these tools.

Here is a links page on a drug rehab site that might provide a resource
for ibonauts and providers looking for better tools and results.

http://www.drugrehabcenter.com/natural-health1.html

Lately words have been exchanged as if we have differences between pro
drugs or anti-drugs, or pro some drug users or anti other drug users. I
enjoy these binary dualities like everyone. Intellectual shorthand is
handy. I get nostalgic for younger days when party drugs were so damn fun,
but that was when youthful adrenal glands could rise from the wreckage far
easier. I think most of us are pro-life and existence, anti-death and
anti-annihilation, although that set of colors was stolen by the abortion
or not crowd.

I encourage experienced users to please share the specifics of what works
and what doesn’t, here. Please tend your reply subject-lines to help us
survey everyone’s content for the more time challenged participants. I
really appreciate the experienced professionals among us helping to keep
terminology and medical details accurate and understandable. The Goddess
has to be giving you points for the help.

For the delicate neurotransmitter balancing act of recovering from
pharmacological or recreational patterns of overuse, addiction or
habituation, I am getting more impressed over time with L-Theanine, as a
200mg. dose taken 2 or 3 times a day away from a protein meal(by an hour).
Google and read up on it. The benzo and SSRI promotional teams will be
jealous when more of you start to learn of it and teach others. I’ve had
clients not need a booster dose of Ibo after using this steadily for a few
weeks.

Cheers.

Dr. Tom

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From: ibogaine@ibogaineproject.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes afte…
Date: November 27, 2004 at 11:16:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Franscesco

On Tue Nov 23 6:51 , BiscuitBoy714@aol.com sent:

Frank, it has been my experience that the majority of old timers in AA don’t want hear about Ibogaine. The philosophy and the steps apply to any addiction so I go there to reinforce what I have already learned and accomplished. I am also an alcoholic so I am lucky enough to know first hand how much help is in the rooms. My sponsor is well aware of my situation and thinks Ibogaine is a great tool for recovery. He is rare. We have become pretty close over the years and he just wants me to be clean no matter what it takes. So my advice to anyone going to AA is to go to meetings and talk about your recovery just don’t try and win anyone over to Ibogaine. (YET) It is coming. I figure I will let the ones know who are addicts too after meetings and by just being clean and answering questions. I’ve already done this a few times. It is a little too much for some of the newly clean to handle sometimes so I watch and talk to the ones I think can handle it. I don’t know if I am qualified to do this or not but I will not stop until Ibogaine is available to those who need and want it. I feel like it is up to me to bring all of my efforts into a workable program. AA, therapist, the list and prayer are what I am going on now. The list is the most important part for me but that may change. All I know is I’m clean and I love it. You are forever in my heart and I will be indebted to you for your help the rest of my life. Thank you for your efforts in bringing Ibogaine out in the open in the US. As far as I know there is no one doing Ibogaine treatments in the KY,Tenn., West Virginia, southern Ohio area. They need help and I want to be there for them. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Frank’s call for aftercare suggestions
Date: November 27, 2004 at 10:22:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: DOREJJ@aol.com, pacificozonecompany@yahoo.com, sara119@xs4all.nl, tom@mapsltd.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr.Tom, what if someone takes L-Theanine before Ibogaine treatment? Anything on that? Is it important to keep a level before or after? Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Dr Tom
Date: November 27, 2004 at 8:38:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said, I agree totally,
With the parts to be agreed with !
I know what I mean lol
Kirk

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From: <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Frank’s call for aftercare suggestions
Date: November 27, 2004 at 6:34:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “John Dore” <dorejj@aol.com>, <pacificozonecompany@yahoo.com>, <sara119@xs4all.nl>, <tom@mapsltd.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Frank

Here is a links page on a drug rehab site that might provide a resource
for ibonauts and providers looking for better tools and results.

http://www.drugrehabcenter.com/natural-health1.html

Cheers.

Dr. Tom

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hannah
Date: November 27, 2004 at 6:33:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hannah,

I stopped going to raves when I was 22, largely
because I felt old, especially considering the average
age at a rave is 16-20. I felt like a fucking
grandma…

Hannah, I went through the same thing at 23…let me
tell you something: YOU ARE NOT OLD!!! I only wish I
would have realized that before writing off my life at
22/23. Please enjoy those years, cuz once they’re
gone, they’re gone forever.

I just turned 27 this weekend, and I feel the effects
of aging already. At 23, the only thing you should
feel is FABULOUS!!!

love Julie
BTW, heroin use really made me feel old and washed up.
My friends comment on how I look younger than I did
at 24- less stress, less hassle, outta the
game….it’s fucking brilliant.

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 27, 2004 at 5:52:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston, it’s good to know I’m not alone in this craziness. And yeh, I’m 23….but I feel really OLD.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah

> >Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in blood
> >crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I
> >remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H.
> >My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and
> >old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and
> >breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am
> >I doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself
> >and what I consider normal now.
> Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare.<
>
> This is EXACTLY what I was writing about earlier, the notes like this one
> Hannah. I can totally and completely empathize and am really heartily
> wishing you well, sending you strength and courage. You are how old please,
> if you don’t mind my asking? I think you mentioned it just the other day
> (23?- because I remember responding to someone noting that age here and
> think it mighta been you) but I’m not sure. Regardless, as bad as it seems
> now, it can get worse, and it can definitely get better. I’m sure you know
> that, irregardless of how awful it can seem when sitting there trying to get
> a vein (oh my god, I can remember doing what you’ve described here, but not
> only in the privacy of someone’s apartment or squat but also, more often
> than not actually, doing this exact same vein hunt in stairwells, allyways,
> parkbenches, behind garbage cans, cafe bathrooms, diner tables, etc, etc. I
> mean, there were times I’d have a great vein, usually a teeny one that I’d
> managed to find just the right angle to hit it with, making shooting up in
> public, at diner tables as mentioned (one of my very favorite places to
> shoot up used to be in very public places like diners, right at the table,
> as that gave me that extra adrenaline boost. Of course, it was often an
> interesting experience in that when speedballing, I’d feel the cocaine
> first, so would be sitting there first witht that roaring in my ears, then
> bugs all over me while trying to figure out which person in the diner was
> NOT a cop.
> Boy oh boy, what fun that was!
>
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Hannah Clay
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
> Hannah
>
>
> I actually found a leaflet once at a rave that referred to people taking
> Prozac recreationally as a kind of weak MDMA (I’ll refer to it as X from now
> on). Weird. I’ve always found that ADs suppress the effects of X and I’ve
> been on a few. Its a bummer.
>
> I love going to raves but since I’ve been into H (the past 5yrs) (and I’m
> 23) I hardly go out at all. Sean said something about isolation, well I
> live as a complete hermit at the moment and the more I don’t see people, the
> more I don’t want to see them. Luckily I live with my boyf and we’re
> putting my partner in crime up at the moment so I have to see them!
>
> Tomorrow will be Day 1 on Subutex and off H and crack so wish me luck! I
> want to get going out again but I do find the come-downs hard without gear.
> I’m trying to get hold of some Valium just so I have something to just help
> me chill out. I don’t like raves without X though cuz I don’t like the
> music without! On X I love Techno. I’m lucky cuz some of my friends are
> travellers and know lots of squatters down London and they always know where
> the best free parties are 🙂 I live in a little town where the clubs are
> all crap ‘towny’ straight places with cheesy music.
>
> The X powder is lovely cuz it isn’t speedy, just warm loveliness but it
> isn’t always great for partying cuz you just wanna sit down. Then we mix it
> with speed (!). When I first discovered X when I was 17 I thought it was
> the greatest thing in the world-I just couldn’t stop smiling. But the pills
> just don’t do the same anymore-I don’t know if the pills are crap now or if
> you just get a tolerance real quick. Then again, even when I’m fucked I’ll
> still claim I’m straight and need more-I’m just never satisfied.
>
> I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.
>
> Last night I did this mornings hit thinking I’d just score as soon as I woke
> up today. Instead I slept all day so woke up really sick. I call my dealer
> and nothing for a couple of hours so total panic. Luckily a friend came
> over and sorted me out. But my veins are non-existent so then it takes
> hours to get myself. I thought I’d got it first time but hit my artery so
> my right hand swelled up and I was in agony. Luckily a couple of friends
> were around to help but they tried for 2hrs and couldn’t get me-I felt like
> a pin cushion, in my hands, arms, neck, fingers, feet 🙁 I had to
> muscle-bang it in the end. And since I’ve been doing rock and gear the past
> week I hadn’t showered or anything so was embarrassingly grubby. My veins
> just wouldn’t give up any blood! None of the women in my family can give
> blood cuz they can’t get blood out of us so I really chose the wrong
> profession! Anyway so I’m sat there just thinking what have I done to
> myself? Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in
> blood crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I
> remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H.
> My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and
> old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and
> breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am I
> doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself
> and what I consider normal now.
>
> Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare. I’ve got to sort myself out.
> I just can’t believe I keep doing this to myself. Why do we keep doing
> this? I’ve hit rockbottom I really have. And the last couple of yrs I had
> improved, I’d cut down and started socialising but the past couple of months
> I’ve been out of control. I’ve been going in my fingers and when I had to
> go to A&E for my abscess the Doc told me I could easily lose my hands if I
> kept doing this. I can’t believe I know that and keep doing it! Its like
> that definition of insanity, I am insane.
>
> But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….
>
> Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
> Hannah
>
> PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more
> partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
> Hannah
>
>
> > Hannah,
> >
> > you are sooooooo lucky…I’d love to get my hands on
> > some nice, clean powdered X…here, it’s all tabs.
> > Can we say cut, cut, cut, cut,..ad infinitum.
> > Whenever I party on Church St.(the local boyztown), I
> > notice I come across powder once and a while. God,
> > gay guys know how to party !!
> >
> > I find what you say about antidepressants+E very
> > interesting. I was wondering if the SSRI I was
> > taking(quit 3 days ago) attributed to this experience
> > by prolonging the serotonin. But, alas, I’m no doc,
> > just a pathetic drug enthusiast who thinks she has the
> > answers to everything- and then realizes how wrong she
> > is!!
> >
> > I agree with you about “The Crash”- it’s the only
> > reason I wouldn’t call XTC ‘the perfect drug’. I
> > think it’s related to the methamphetamine part of the
> > high, not the lovey, serotonin part. But alas, please
> > refer to the last sentence of the previous
> > paragraph…
> >
> > love Julie 🙂
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do?
> > http://my.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hanna
Date: November 27, 2004 at 5:33:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey you moved me now Randy. No I haven’t tried Ibogaine, I’ve never had any money and no one here knows or seems interested i it. I like to go to Sara’s if I could afford it and come back and show everyone round here that there is hope. Sure, write a song, I’d love to hear it, especially if its got a happy ending! 😉

Loads of love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hanna

Hanna, I don’t know you but I read what you post and fantasize about being in England. I was reading what you said about trying to find a vein and it hurt me. Brought tears to my eyes. Your 23 and I’m 47 and I have to tell you that it doesn’t get any better. I first shot heroin on my 16th birthday and fell immediately in love with it. I have shot every drug I could find that I thought might remotely be like heroin and screwed my veins up in the process. I have to tell the nurses where to get blood or do it myself. Have you tried Ibogaine? I can’t remember if you said you have or not. Nothing else has stopped me for this long before. It changed my way of thinking. Your young and you sound like a beautiful person. Let me lay a little Nashville on ya. “Please don’t do the things I done”. “Don’t go out on another long run”. Can I write a song about you? I won’t use your name. I’m trying to complete a whole album of Ibogaine/recovery/addiction songs. I’ve almost got all the songs I need, but a story like yours has to told. I want it to have a happy ending. Please make it that way so I don’t have to feel bad every time I play it. You have moved me and inspired me to write. Randy

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_ Hannah
Date: November 27, 2004 at 5:14:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry Martee-I clicked Change instead of Ignore when running through Spell Check and mis-spelt your name!
—– Original Message —–
From: m.finman
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_ Hannah

Hannah,
The shape you’re in right now has many many similiarities of where I was 4 months ago. The insanity of intellectually knowing you could be one shot from losing a limb or having a heart attack or checking out and still diving right in without so much as a glance back. The morning after when I would do guilt and shame and regret over the damage I had physically done to my arms and hands as well as having to get up after 2 hours sleep to work a 10 hour day. Also the guilt over all the money spent the night before and the complete waste of time and of a human life! I would then go to work, have more cash and repeat the whole drama. DRIVEN…..by something not of this world. There were also some wedding pix I just got from my brothers wedding last June. I was pretty much at my worse then. First of all I am not even recognizable as the same person in the pix. There was one picture of me sitting at a table in his backyard where I was in a nod. It brought me back to remember that I stayed up all night shooting speedballs one after the other(as usual) and got only 2 hours (maybe) sleep before going to the airport at 6:00am with my mother. I rationalized I would sleep on the plane. The meet the other side of the family b-b-q was that same day at dinnertime. I plan on blowing up that picture and putting it maybe on the wall inside my closet. The rest of the pix at the wedding and reception (which were absolutely unique and soulful) reminded me of how every second, minute, hour of that visit was socially,emotionally and physically gruelling for me. Having to wear long sleeves in 95 degree weather. Having to go to my room for a nap when everyone else was at the pool. Just in general feeling out of place and uncomfortable as a member of the human race.
As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, Someone was living this life for the last 20+ years but it doesn’t even remotely feel like it was me!!!
All I can say to you is Eboga, Eboga, Eboga. My heart goes out to you. I pray the universe intervenes for you as it did for me. You are 23, I can only imagine the possibilities.
I don’t know what subtex is, however I know H is the easiest to come off of or low doses of methedone. Do what you feel you need to maintain some sanity today as I totally understand. It’s what usually drives people to the programs to begin with. What’s keeping you from doing a session?
I wish for you some clarity and a sense of purpose to inspire a course of action that is unencumbered by doubt, fear and an inacurate sense of self.
Call in your angels. You never know,
Sincerely,
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah

I actually found a leaflet once at a rave that referred to people taking Prozac recreationally as a kind of weak MDMA (I’ll refer to it as X from now on). Weird. I’ve always found that ADs suppress the effects of X and I’ve been on a few. Its a bummer.

I love going to raves but since I’ve been into H (the past 5yrs) (and I’m 23) I hardly go out at all. Sean said something about isolation, well I live as a complete hermit at the moment and the more I don’t see people, the more I don’t want to see them. Luckily I live with my boyf and we’re putting my partner in crime up at the moment so I have to see them!

Tomorrow will be Day 1 on Subutex and off H and crack so wish me luck! I want to get going out again but I do find the come-downs hard without gear. I’m trying to get hold of some Valium just so I have something to just help me chill out. I don’t like raves without X though cuz I don’t like the music without! On X I love Techno. I’m lucky cuz some of my friends are travellers and know lots of squatters down London and they always know where the best free parties are 🙂 I live in a little town where the clubs are all crap ‘towny’ straight places with cheesy music.

The X powder is lovely cuz it isn’t speedy, just warm loveliness but it isn’t always great for partying cuz you just wanna sit down. Then we mix it with speed (!). When I first discovered X when I was 17 I thought it was the greatest thing in the world-I just couldn’t stop smiling. But the pills just don’t do the same anymore-I don’t know if the pills are crap now or if you just get a tolerance real quick. Then again, even when I’m fucked I’ll still claim I’m straight and need more-I’m just never satisfied.

I just wish I’d never tried H and I’d be in a VERY different position now.

Last night I did this mornings hit thinking I’d just score as soon as I woke up today. Instead I slept all day so woke up really sick. I call my dealer and nothing for a couple of hours so total panic. Luckily a friend came over and sorted me out. But my veins are non-existent so then it takes hours to get myself. I thought I’d got it first time but hit my artery so my right hand swelled up and I was in agony. Luckily a couple of friends were around to help but they tried for 2hrs and couldn’t get me-I felt like a pin cushion, in my hands, arms, neck, fingers, feet 🙁 I had to muscle-bang it in the end. And since I’ve been doing rock and gear the past week I hadn’t showered or anything so was embarrassingly grubby. My veins just wouldn’t give up any blood! None of the women in my family can give blood cuz they can’t get blood out of us so I really chose the wrong profession! Anyway so I’m sat there just thinking what have I done to myself? Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in blood crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H. My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am I doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself and what I consider normal now.

Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare. I’ve got to sort myself out. I just can’t believe I keep doing this to myself. Why do we keep doing this? I’ve hit rockbottom I really have. And the last couple of yrs I had improved, I’d cut down and started socialising but the past couple of months I’ve been out of control. I’ve been going in my fingers and when I had to go to A&E for my abscess the Doc told me I could easily lose my hands if I kept doing this. I can’t believe I know that and keep doing it! Its like that definition of insanity, I am insane.

But I’m gonna try (again) to be clean. After I’ve just had one more hit….

Love to everyone, you’re my inspiration.
Hannah

PS: Sorry Julie I’ve gone well off-topic! Hopefully I’ll have far more partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. 🙂

> Hannah,
>
> you are sooooooo lucky…I’d love to get my hands on
> some nice, clean powdered X…here, it’s all tabs.
> Can we say cut, cut, cut, cut,..ad infinitum.
> Whenever I party on Church St.(the local boyztown), I
> notice I come across powder once and a while. God,
> gay guys know how to party !!
>
> I find what you say about antidepressants+E very
> interesting. I was wondering if the SSRI I was
> taking(quit 3 days ago) attributed to this experience
> by prolonging the serotonin. But, alas, I’m no doc,
> just a pathetic drug enthusiast who thinks she has the
> answers to everything- and then realizes how wrong she
> is!!
>
> I agree with you about “The Crash”- it’s the only
> reason I wouldn’t call XTC ‘the perfect drug’. I
> think it’s related to the methamphetamine part of the
> high, not the lovey, serotonin part. But alas, please
> refer to the last sentence of the previous
> paragraph…
>
> love Julie 🙂
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do?
> http://my.yahoo.com
>
>
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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 27, 2004 at 5:12:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks so much Callie for the support. I seem to be doing this every week at the moment and its really hard not to just give up giving up. I didn’t even manage to start today. My boyf went out for a drink last night straight after work and said he wouldn’t be that late and although I wanted to see him I didn’t want to seem like an awful person to his workmates. Anyway he doesn’t come home. I call someone I know was out with him to see if he’s with him but he’d left Paul in the pub 3 hours ago. No one else answers their phones and Paul’s is switched off. So like an idiot I’m worrying just cuz he had to walk home through town (our tiny town!;-)). My friend’s telling me not to worry, he can look after himself. I ended up sitting up all night caning my gear and begging my dealer to serve me really early. I know Paul gets really drunk and I worry that I’m being silly for worrying. His mate who was with him that night calls to wake him up for work and I try to say coolly that Paul didn’t come home. So he rings off and 20min later I get a call from confused, still drunk Paul saying he fell asleep on the sofa of this girl we know (I note to myself that she’s very very beautiful and always looks gorgeous where as I have only got dressed when I’ve had to score for the past couple (or is few?) weeks. He’s been helping her cuz she’s a single mum doing odd-jobs. God that sounds dodgy but then on the other hand my boyf is the most sweet, forgiving, amazing man and I trust him when he says nothing happened….I hope I’m right, I wouldn’t blame him for leaving me the state I’ve let myself get in. Thanks so much for your response Marti-I’m so disgusted with myself and its good to know both that I’m not the only person that did this to themselves and that it comes from someone I really admire and like!

We (my ‘houseguest’ and I) had our last hit early evening so let’s see how far we get this time. No, I am trying to make this time different. I’ve admitted to my clinic that I’m having problems again and I see my Doc Thursday. The want to up my dose-they seem to put people on huge amounts here-36mg is common and then they just leave you on it cuz they don’t think its addictive (they will obviously use a taper if you want to (and can convince them to) stop using it. I wish they’d just give me a few Valium so I felt I had something I could take and I could feel it calming me down. I get very tense and panicky when I’m coming off and Valium has helped when I’ve managed to get hold of it. Anyway, I just wanted to kind of announce my detox to the list so I had some witnesses and it kind of helped make it seem real. I figure if I try really hard I’ll be starting to feel better by my Birthday (24th Dec) and Christmas and all the associated parties! I’ve got to give my body chance to heal. There’s so many other drugs at these parties will be hard cuz I love the nights we have but the days after are such hell-y’know ‘when the lows outweigh the highs’.

Anyway, so I said it. On of the first things I’m gonna concentrate on is walking my dog more and sleeping proper hours (I’m nocturnal at the moment) I hope my boyf still loves me. He’s put up with so much I wouldn’t blame him for loosing faith in me. He’s the only one who thinks I can do it but even he’s seemed tired of it all recently. We argue now where he used to hold me and we’d talk about it.

Right so tomorrow is Day 1-great start! 😉
Thanks Callie and Martee, it meant alot.
Love Hannah

—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah

In a message dated 11/26/2004 5:53:05 PM Central Standard Time, hannah.clay@ntlworld.com writes:
Tomorrow will be Day 1 on Subutex and off H and crack so wish me luck!

Good luck to you Hannah and I will say a little prayer for you and add you to my mental prayer list.
Keep reminding yourself that you may have to deal with a little discomfort, physical and mental. I just hate mental discomfort! lol! Guess all of us opiate addicts hate it or we wouldn’t be addicted.
I have never tried Subutex. I am a Methadone Maintenance lifer I guess. I have finally decided that it is okay to be a lifer as long as it does not start being a problem.
Anyway…..back to you. I really hope you the best! If I were you I would start walking for exercise tomorrow too. Make it part of your Subutex treatment. Walking helps me a LOT! It is the only ‘exercise’ I do but it is very helpful with my depressions and lack of energy.
Keep us posted. This list is great support. Some awesome folk that reply!
Peace and Starry nights,
Callie

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron how are you?
Date: November 27, 2004 at 4:33:09 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you’re an unseen friend, i’m tooo afraid to be angry. getting conflicting info on ibo and benzos. peace to you brother, i have a lot on my plate right now and none is good. please write off list if possible as i c/n keep up with everyone. it appears cliquish, although i know it’s not.many thanks for your concern. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron how are you?

Ron, listen to Eric. I know for a fact he is way versed on this. He made me feel a lot better before I did the Ibogaine and he was dead on with his information. Just about every major person in the Ibogaine world is talking to you. Listen to them. They got me the recovery that I have. It won’t be easy but you can do it. Ibogaine providers really care about people. Their souls included and I think all of the other modes of rehab forget about that. Except for 12 step programs which I highly recommend post Ibogaine. Just don’t talk about Ibogaine to a room full of old timer alcoholics. Although I think Bill W. would have loved this. It seems like it is almost time to make a move. I’m here for ya, drop me a line if I pissed you off. I really didn’t mean to. Randy

From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 27, 2004 at 3:48:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you very much for taking the time and trouble to put this up!!!!

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks

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http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,0,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

The Magical Mystery Tour

Then it all starts again.

“I just need to get this stuff out of my system,” he says, “and I’m looking
for an easier, softer way.”

“I’d be tying my shoes and suddenly have a little epiphany—’Aha, that’s what
that meant.’ ” The visions, he says, “showed me the potential for myself as a
human being.”

Both Mash and Glick think their ibogaine derivatives will give users the
drug-blocking effect without the hallucinations—something both believe is
necessary if the FDA is to approve their products.

“The pharmaceutical industry has never wanted much to do with addiction
medicine,” Glick says. “It’s not very profitable, and it’s bad public relations.”

Which leaves people like Craig knocking on doors of unregulated ibogaine
clinics in a desperate search for something that will help defeat their addictions.

Editor’s note:

Article licensing and reprint options

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:48:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:15:16 -0800 Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Similarly I am not a great fan of DMT from what I have read as I
think its a shortcut to spiritual dimensions best reserved for
those whose souls have been prepared for the experience. Otherwise

the combination of ones own inner demons coupled with the doors
which are been opened can lead to serious problems afterwards imo.

In my experience, the container is all-important. So far the best
one for me is group singing in a church setting, which is what I
started with. The first time I did my own homebrew, the message
was, “why are you doing this alone, your path is to connect with
people,” and the church has been my satisfaction and growth ever
since. (I also learn in free-form group singing without the
religious or entheogenic aspects.) Plus with ayahuasca there is the
vine, which on its own can take one on a slow unhallucinogenic path
of deep body learning. It is all work, the hardest and deepest that
one is capable of, no shortcuts I thoroughly agree.

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:41:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

_.dh

On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 09:28 AM, <slowone@hush.ai> wrote:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:57:33 -0800 Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
THANKS randy.
I AM SOOO BORED,CANYOU GUYS COME OVER.
You are right about aftercare,there is a lot of work to be done to

heal the
world.
I realised something being over the other side of the world,your
vibratioal
frequencies tune into
Different parts of the world depending on where you are born,which

bwiti
PRINCESS.

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Verzonden: maandag 22 november 2004 12:32
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen you freakin’ ROCKKK. See. It’s the only way, huh. Tell us
more when
you can. How long are you going to be there? I’d stay as long as I

could if
I were you. Everybody was right about aftercare. It sure makes me
feel
better about everything. Randy

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:32:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen! I am so fuckin’ proud of you! Honestly I am envious too! Life changing experience huh? You just keep on keepin’ on!
Callie

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:28:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:57:33 -0800 Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
THANKS randy.
I AM SOOO BORED,CANYOU GUYS COME OVER.
You are right about aftercare,there is a lot of work to be done to

heal the
world.
I realised something being over the other side of the world,your
vibratioal
frequencies tune into
Different parts of the world depending on where you are born,which

bwiti
PRINCESS.

Van: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Verzonden: maandag 22 november 2004 12:32
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Jasen you freakin’ ROCKKK. See. It’s the only way, huh. Tell us
more when
you can. How long are you going to be there? I’d stay as long as I

could if
I were you. Everybody was right about aftercare. It sure makes me
feel
better about everything. Randy

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] visions
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:12:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

visions i have had

On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 01:03 AM, knowone knowwhere wrote:

visions have Anyone else ??

— <thethird@myway.com> wrote:
Anyone else have visions
similar and any ideas that you get from them?

I did Ibogaine about a year and a
half ago. I had a big trip w/ lots of visuals,

<^> inspiring ones first
(i.e. this is what the world is
really about, now stop shooting dope and become one
with the world),
: ) <cherry flavored mind pops> : )
and then the fun house madness hit
(or madhouse fun) which was mixed with apathetic
speedy visions of humans doing all their worst
traits.
What didya see?

I went from shooting smack daily to being
totally clean for a month or two. But I still had
some crRav3nGgs and kidz knew that if I didn’t do
something
I’d be shooting up again and agin and agn.

Their is that something/ That ‘if I don’t do
something’ something.

I wanted to go on suboxone
(buprenorphine/naloxone mix) but the closest clinic
had a doctor that was almost but not quite
certified. So I went on methadone for a few months
at a low dose of 35 Mg’s, and then switched to
suboxone once the doc was certified, which I’ve been
on for over a year.

What dose? Was the switch difficult?

At times I feel I failed because
I didn’t totally rewrite my addictive tendencies
after Ibogaine,

itz still better then nothing. Their may or may not
be shades of gray between ‘failed’ and ‘success’. I
personally don’t think you have failed, but I’m a
crazy person who’s current form of avoidance is the
on’line version of ‘hugging a stranger’. But no, I
don’t think you have failed. (place product
advertisement here)

even though it brought about a major
change and helped me get to a life that could
actually be called a life.
it brought about a major
change and helped me get to a life that could
actually be called a life. helped me get to a life

what made it life? may not be as out of reach as
appears

I have panic attacks and
the suboxone helps with those, and the panic attacks
get worse
when
I am in
situations
where

I have to

speak
in front of a crowd.

That’s about as normal as you can get. Non-judgmental
people are out in audience too. They’re like rooting
you on and stuff. They are ‘on stage’ with you, they
just don’t realize it. “All the world is a stage” and
all that.
Panic attacks are yucky, they are one of the main
reasons I started Heroin in the first place. Did you
have them before ibo too? It takes some work, like
working out I guess but what I try to do in response
to that is work on learning how to rest during rest
time (relax time/let go time or whatever)_or… when
fear over takes logic, deep breaths can be nice, not
in a ‘oh g-d oh g-d I’ve got to breathe deep, I’m
having a panic attack’ way, but in a “At least SOME of
that which is beyond my 5 senses ISN’T out to get me.”
way. Almost to the point that G-d loves me or hates
me, before I realize that G-d has a few more important
matters to deal with, Why else wouldn’t s/he post?

—> When I am going to school <—
*that is a good thing

is when I have the worst bouts of panic attacks, and
I am getting ready to go back and finish my degree,

Give yourself some credit following through with that.
what are you getting your degree in?

so I think suboxone will help with that,

oh, I thought you were already on it.

but I don’t believe I want to be on it for life.

: )Going to live in the moment forever: )

So I am
thinking about how I should come off the suboxone.

I’m interested in hearing anyone’s adventures with
doing follow-up Ibogaine treatments.

I had a intense dark hcl dose then a smaller extract
few months after to help grow out of the fear from the
previous, it helped. I had plenty of benzo’s ready if
I needed them (I didn’t, but just knowing they were
there if needed made me feel more at ease), small
dose, no “dream”.

My first trip
was so intense that I don’t know if I could convince
myself to do it again, but I am definitely thinking
about it. Also, it’s been over a year since my first
trip and I find myself forgetting some of it.

Yeah I’m “quick to forget” too
<play sound of bong bubbles>

Does
anybody have a way to help remember the trip?

(refer to previous sound)

Another thing I wondered about was the
visuals/feelings in other people’s trips.

me too.

I know a
lot of people see the spiritual good stuff about why
we should stop doing drugs and start our life, but
how many of you guys saw bad aspects of humanity?

The two were connected.

I saw a small part of reality. The story is still
being written, until… But it can still be a life.
But yeah, life is perishable “unless it’s not”.

I
saw

people doing the
basest animalistic things,

Damn it!! everyone went to New Orl but me : )

things that when an
animal does them,

don’t seem as bad,

but because the
humans have the capability for higher emotions the
scenes were devastating.

Please, do tell…you really have me curious,
hmmm….where did I put that machine.

Also, the bad feeling I got
watching these visions was much worse than if I
wasn’t hallucinating.

Your right they do seem to have a bigger effect seeing
things that way, but I think seeing those things is an
opportunity to motivate to do our part to try to help
balance it out a little.

It’s like the sad feeling I
would get if I really saw some of that stuff happen
was highly amplified.
sometimes Avoidance=battery charger

Anyone else have visions
similar and any ideas that you get from them?

and any ideas that you get from them?
Sorry
about all the Pretty questions.? Pretty nosy for a
question!

I am just very interested in Ibogaine and

am excited
to find a place with people who like to talk about
it!
: ) me too.
—————————————

Jasen, A white candle burning now in Dallas for
wellness for you and all receiving this

Sean, I think Less harm is good.

Callie, : ) I don’t see anything wrong with it
either.

Randy, I think Bill W would have liked ibo. But can’t
chat ’bout that, too busy drilling oil w/ JR and dem.
Drilling oil and Political redistricting, that’s all
we do round these parts…now lets go to the library
and rent us some movies.: )

Schoolboy, sincere thank you for the good info, it is
very much appreciated.

Lee, You are very much an Amazing person who
deserves Grace. You and ALL have my respect.

Oh and Re: Thanksgiving,
last year I was digesting an ibo session in jail with
leftover ‘done withdrawals.
This Thanksgiving, before going to a wonderful meal
enjoyed by family including two new baby’s, I started
the day with our sacred circle jerk and found
Preston’s post (that made me laugh out loud as I
hadn’t read that WSB [or heard it] in so long) was one
of many totally fucking awesome posts that morning
(not to say they aren’t always totally awesome
but…well yeah, I’m saying that. I thought it was a
GREAT way to start off the day…but to each their own
I guess. Now where did I put that machine? and what
the fuck did you do with my script pad?

_______________________________________________
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Make home > -11

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:06:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 11/27/04 11:47:21 AM, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:

The long awaited LA Times article on ibogaine just appeared on their web
page.

http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,0
,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

The Magical Mystery Tour
Drug and alcohol addicts are going abroad in search of the purported miracle

treatment called ibogaine. But will the drug industry embrace a substance
that
causes a hallucinatory high?

Try

http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,0,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

Thanks

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 27, 2004 at 2:01:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

————————————————————————
http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,0,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

The Magical Mystery Tour

Then it all starts again.

“I just need to get this stuff out of my system,” he says, “and I’m looking
for an easier, softer way.”

“I’d be tying my shoes and suddenly have a little epiphany—’Aha, that’s what
that meant.’ ” The visions, he says, “showed me the potential for myself as a
human being.”

Both Mash and Glick think their ibogaine derivatives will give users the
drug-blocking effect without the hallucinations—something both believe is
necessary if the FDA is to approve their products.

“The pharmaceutical industry has never wanted much to do with addiction
medicine,” Glick says. “It’s not very profitable, and it’s bad public relations.”

Which leaves people like Craig knocking on doors of unregulated ibogaine
clinics in a desperate search for something that will help defeat their addictions.

Editor’s note:

Article licensing and reprint options

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jasen unbored
Date: November 27, 2004 at 1:53:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

Why don’t you unbore yourself by feng shuiing sara’s place. Is her house
feng shui? Will Sara let you do it? Great tasks await great men and women.

Howard

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Randy
Date: November 27, 2004 at 1:23:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy!!!!! No!!!!!! Don’t you dare think that! I felt I let you down by chickening out! You are precious and I did not mean to hurt you! I am so happy you are doing well.
I got mad at myself for not having the guts to follow through. Lots of reasons I backed off….NONE of them had anything to do with you.
Much love and respect
Callie

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] LA Times ibogaine article breaks
Date: November 27, 2004 at 11:46:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The long awaited LA Times article on ibogaine just appeared on their web page.

http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-ibogaine48nov28,0,
775349.story?coll=la-home-magazine

The Magical Mystery Tour
Drug and alcohol addicts are going abroad in search of the purported miracle
treatment called ibogaine. But will the drug industry embrace a substance that
causes a hallucinatory high?

Enjoy.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah
Date: November 27, 2004 at 11:01:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in blood crying, I’ve got an abscess on my hand and I’m covered in lumps. I remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H. My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am I doing here? Now I am that guy. I can’t believe what I’ve done to myself and what I consider normal now.
Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare.<

This is EXACTLY what I was writing about earlier, the notes like this one Hannah. I can totally and completely empathize and am really heartily wishing you well, sending you strength and courage. You are how old please, if you don’t mind my asking? I think you mentioned it just the other day (23?- because I remember responding to someone noting that age here and think it mighta been you) but I’m not sure. Regardless, as bad as it seems now, it can get worse, and it can definitely get better. I’m sure you know that, irregardless of how awful it can seem when sitting there trying to get a vein (oh my god, I can remember doing what you’ve described here, but not only in the privacy of someone’s apartment or squat but also, more often than not actually, doing this exact same vein hunt in stairwells, allyways, parkbenches, behind garbage cans, cafe bathrooms, diner tables, etc, etc. I mean, there were times I’d have a great vein, usually a teeny one that I’d managed to find just the right angle to hit it with, making shooting up in public, at diner tables as mentioned (one of my very favorite places to shoot up used to be in very public places like diners, right at the table, as that gave me that extra adrenaline boost. Of course, it was often an interesting experience in that when speedballing, I’d feel the cocaine first, so would be sitting there first witht that roaring in my ears, then bugs all over me while trying to figure out which person in the diner was NOT a cop.
Boy oh boy, what fun that was!

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah