Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-02-1

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] art imitating life…again
Date: February 28, 2005 at 11:53:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
To ask a favor, please keep your fingers crossed for me tomorrow. I have an audition for some tv pilot, a day player role, playing, get this…a junkie!
LOL!!!
Seriously, I don’t know the name of the show, but I got the sides today. I’ve got to memorize one line, and play the part of a “staring with wounded wet eyes” junkjem, and ask the “top narcotics officer in the city” one question- “can you help me out?”
This isn’t actually the first time this has happened, as I believe I’ve written here before. I played a junkie in that tv show Third Watch, back in an early season (is that show even still on?), in a scene in Tompkins Square Park. There I was with the lead “runaway” chick, leaning on my shoulder as the scene opened and the paramedics approached to question her about something or other, she and I and a few other junkie youth hanging out in the Lower East Side, sitting about 20 yards from the kids’ pool in TSP, right where I used to sit and shoot up speedballs on a regular basis, often greeting the sun, morning after morning at exactly the same time we were sitting there shooting this scene.
I’ve also played a busker in a remake of The Prince of Central Park, and was placed exactly where I had sat and played during my street bound, living in Central Park stage.
It’s very strange how life imitates art, or vice versa actually.
For more on Tompkins Square and me greeting the sun during those long ago real-life junkie days, along with a photo or two of said kids’ pool in the park, please visit:

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwoutofaction.shtm
(I’ve posted this before, so many if not most of you have probably seen it- but I think we have some newer subscribers who may enjoy the entertaining misadventure tale.)
Anyway, again, please keep your fingers crossed- if I don’t get the part playing a junkie with one sole line, darn it, I don’t know how I’m ever going to live that one down. (Come to think of it, I didn’t get a part once where I had to play the part of a store clerk explaining to some kid how to roll a joint- egad, that was also very embarrassing, as I am one of those very, very professional like joint rollers when I get the opportunity to actually roll one.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “Tomo7” <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine]reposte to Thanks for Steve
Date: February 28, 2005 at 11:54:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Steve

Hi Steve:

“What sort of Dr. are you? A good Dr. or a bad Dr.?”

When are we talking about? I was worse as a newbie and I think I’m
lots better than that now. Learning from patients and their families
in private practice will educate you better than any medical school.
I’m a naturopathic physician, graduate of one of the older
naturopathic medical schools and in practice for almost 20 years.
Lots of morphing through those years into who and where I am now.
Compared to the product coming through allopathic medical schools, I
am a damn fine doctor, but that doesn’t really set the bar very
high.

“Schweitzer never took iboga, he was way too much of a Christian to
do so.”

I’m sure there was plenty of mythologising around him and I don’t
trust my own readings on him for accuracy, but aren’t the Bwiti
themselves Christian? Or a Catholic, local hybrid, like voudon?
Probably he was too European white-boy anglo centric, and nailed
into carefully cultivated racist stereotypes to risk anything as
radical as ibo. Everyone works out to be imperfect and loaded with
inner conflicts, especially the productive genius types, ever notice
that? HST proves that point.

“There are so many myth’s about the ibo, eh? Pygmies… selfless
devotion to helping addicts… One day I’ll write them all out.”

That would be a treat. See if you can get with the videographer
who’s work is out now. Devolution has our society becoming less
literate and capable of abstract reasoning, despite what the
academic fan club likes to tell each other. A great visual story
with your words might get into people’s minds more effectively

“I read more of Peter’s work and I realized he will never think ibo
has any
worth. If “the addiction doctor [is] the voodoo priest of Western
man,” I
doubt he will find any value in something that is ultimately a
combination
of both. Snowballs in hell. No sooner could I convince a priest of
the joy
of hot sex with a nubile boy. Uhhmm. Never mind.”

Personally, I would consider it a promotion to move from addiction
doctor to voodoo priest, as far as mastering the emotional and
spiritual conflicts in the minds of modern people, but I assume his
meaning is more derogatory. He seems to worship at the alter of
modern scientism and that cult is particularly opaque to most of the
history and wisdom of the human experience. Again devolution is
going on such that any truly educated person of several hundred
years ago would not even be understood or welcome in any modern
“scientific” institutions. (Too “new age” or “religious” to rate any
serious conversations involving tenure.)

“Yes, it’s wrong of me to give Peter kudos for making Dana scream.
But
please, elder statesman? Dana? Are you on drugs Tom?”

Yeah, well, evidently not good enough ones for this list. Look, if
Dana has offended you and is impolite or not up to professional
standards in his behavior, that’s reason to think what you do.
However, in the past 30 years of social drama around drug use in the
USA, there are only a handful who have been on the front lines for
that time, on “our side”. At least who still live among us. For all
the colorful personalities in the belief systems that so texturize
our society, Dana holds his own for consistency and clarity among
many who don’t. If he wasn’t born and bread as a Southern Aristocrat
in the Age of Enlightenment, well then he wasn’t, and neither were
we.

I can appreciate a good scream at some of the pathetic whack job
“professionals” who support this fucking sick status quo with every
sarcastic statement on these subjects they are usually well paid to
make. Dana may be a lousy public advocate, if you have a comparative
to a good one, but at least he advocates and activates for the
public and not the drug cartels or the multinationals who so totally
control most of the public “knowledge” about all drugs and their
misunderstood effects.

I’d rather have some passion and life at my side than ten times as
much paralysed social decorum that will never change a damn thing.
The whole “unscientific” thing is a hot button for me because the
allopaths (MD’s) have worked the shit out of that on alternative
medicine for all my life. Meanwhile they don’t read and understand
their own science worth a damn. And they sure aren’t permitted to
practice scientifically supported medicine in their clinics.
Estrogens were proven killers for decades before the expiring
patents were “discovered ” to suggest this is true. The
implementation of the scientific method with an open mind is the
most subversive and punishable act imagined in most medical schools.
See where it gets you sometimes in a conversation with these
sacrosanct “authorities”. “Science”, in this culture is the
ultimate crack whore for who it services.

“Randy, you wrote “And Keith Richards aint got shit on Hunter when
it comes
to doing drugs.” Why this slavish worship of drug use? If he had to
take
enema’s to make it through the day, I doubt there would be such
screaming
celebration of his enema use. He also made allot of it up. Keef was
once
asked whom his favorite fictional character was. Hunter S.
Thompson.”

Let’s get some legendizing going for us, Steve. I hope to view that
video soon, and see what they came up with. This worship of the
Heroin “lifestyle” sliding through the social construct we call
culture is a powerful mythology that deserves replacement by
something better. Picture a giant goddess Bwiti, holding open arms
to a few hundred thousand colorful chanting bouncing tall African
warriors. The words “drug use” doesn’t suffice to compare the
effects or experience of the poppy or iboga. What do you think would
communicate the flavor of iboga to modern “drug users”? I liked that
little Flash cartoon that went around last month on Dr. Hoffman.
Maybe we could design some macabre rat studies to share on Howard
Stern’s show, but even there, the rats don’t write very well, or lie
or pretend…

Anyway gotta go. I’ll look for some more of those really Good drugs,
;->!

Dr. Tom

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Waiting for a sdefinition
Date: February 28, 2005 at 11:47:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I ‘ve been surfing the net seeking a definition of addiction. I am growing
old , never found it…

—– Original Message —–
From: “Steven Anker” <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: RE: Thoughts for pc

Peter’s response, he’s off the list.

STEVEN, I NEVER SPOKE ABOUT A BEST WAY.JUST INTENDED TO SAY THAT CHANGING
AN OPIATE HABIT ACCORDING TO ME BRINGS THE LEAST HASSLE ONCE PEOPLE ARE
READSY AND TAPER OFF, IN THEIR OWN PACE, PROVIDED THEY REALLY WISH TO
CHANGE.
I DO NOT BELEIVE IN PEOPLE NOT CHANGING IF THEY WISH, BUT I DO BELEIVE IN
PEOPLE WANTING TO CHANGE TOO EARLY OR OUT OF TOO MUCH DESPAIR AND NOTHING
ELSE. A BAD POSITION BECAUSE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE DRUG USE PATTERN
IS
STILL THERE. IN THOSE CASES PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
CHANGING HABITS IS SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE AFTER SOME TIME AND SOME SURVIVAL
HABITS BECOMES PART OF THE SENSE OF IDENTITY.
OPTIONS ARE OKAY, OF COURSE!
MY PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS HIGHLY OPINIONATED AFTER 25 YRS IN THE
BUSINESS, AND EXTREMELY CYNICAL IN RELATION TO MOST CONVENTIONAL
THEORETICAL EXPLANATION TOOLS OF INTENSE DRUG USE, CERTAINLY THE
MECHANICAL
ONES( LIKE THE MODERN MEDICAL EXPLANATIONS)
I DO NOT AND NEVER DID DENY PEOPLE HAVE FELT HELPED BY IBO ( OR THE
SETTING, OR THE CARE, OR THE EMPATHY,ETC)
DEALING WITH UNDERLYING PAIN BY A ONE TIME EXPERIENCE IS ALSO POSSIBLE,
CALLED LEARNING, INSIGHT, ETC.

WE DO NOT NEED THE DISEASE CONCEPT FOR DISCUSSING INTENSE AND FREQUENT
DRUG
USE. DISEASE IS THE BUZZ WORD FOR MODERN PHARMACOLOGY AND CERTAINLY
PSYCHPHARMACOLOGY; THE MORE STATES OF MIND CAN BE MEDICALISED, THE
BETTER.

I DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT TO GET HOOKED TO ANYTHING. NOT FUNCTIONAL.I DO
NOT
APPRECIATE OPIATES, TRIED SOME OF THEIR VARIETIES BUT FOUND NO HEDONISTIC
OR OR OTHER USE FOR THEM. FOR THOSE WHO FEEL ‘NORMAL’ BY THEIR USE I CAN
NOT SPEAK AT ALL.BUT THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE THEIR USE SEEMS COMPLETELY
NORMAL TO ME.
IT IS GENERALLY TRUE THO THAT EXPERIENCING SOMETHING HELPS
‘UNDERSTANDING’
WHAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, BUT COULD NOT I HAVE AN OPINION ON THE
THEORETICAL
MERIT OF EXPLANATIONS FOR A PHENOMENON? IT HELPED ME REALISE THE
ATTRACTION
OF SOME DRUGS BY TRYING THEM, AND IT MAY HAVE INFLUENCED MY THEORETICAL
POSITIONS, BUT NOT MUCH.E.G. TRYING MDMA DID NOT INFLUENCE MY VIEW ON THE
THEORETICAL OR METHODOLOGICAL MODELS USED IN THE DESPERATE SEARCH FOR
TOXIC
ACTIVITY OF THE DRUG

Just for a minute, I would love for you to consider some of your
positions.
Never wrong?
TRUE, DRUG USE CAN BE HARMFUL TO ONES HEALTH.SO WHAT?
PROHIBITION MAKES THE USE OF SOME SO HARMFUL THAT IT CRUSHED PEOPLE.THAT
IS
WHAT I MEANT WITH THE CONTEXT THAT CREATES THE VENERATION FOR IBO.
IT IS THIS VENERATION THAT I STRUGGLED MOST WITH, AND THE LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING FOR THE SOCIAL CONTEXT THAT PROVOKES IT.

ABOUT TOURISM: I SEE YOUR POINTS.

A question for you: do you think there is a Darwinian reason for drug
use?
NO
Why do some humans like to get fucked up?

I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WANT TO GET FUCKED UP.THEY WILL THO.

So, what’s your story? How did you become the semiotic drug expert who
hates
drug experts?

I SEE DRUG EXPERTS, MOST OF THEM, AS CLERKS IN A CHURCHY BUSINESS, NOT AS
SCIENTIST. MOSTLY MY INTEREST IN A HISTORY
ORIENTED VERSION OF SOCIOLOGY BROUGHT ME THERE.

TAKE CARE STEVE, I AM OFF LIST NOW BUT IF YOU WISH WE CAN CONTINUE OUR
DISCUSSION.
PC

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] FW: RE: Thoughts for pc
Date: February 28, 2005 at 3:00:50 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It isn’t surprising to me that Peter C. left this list,
I’m thinking about it myself.

Sara

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Steven Anker [mailto:stevenanker@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: maandag 28 februari 2005 20:11
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: [Ibogaine] FW: RE: Thoughts for pc

Peter’s response, he’s off the list.

STEVEN, I NEVER SPOKE ABOUT A BEST WAY.JUST INTENDED TO SAY THAT CHANGING
AN OPIATE HABIT ACCORDING TO ME BRINGS THE LEAST HASSLE ONCE PEOPLE ARE
READSY AND TAPER OFF, IN THEIR OWN PACE, PROVIDED THEY REALLY WISH TO
CHANGE.
I DO NOT BELEIVE IN PEOPLE NOT CHANGING IF THEY WISH, BUT I DO BELEIVE IN
PEOPLE WANTING TO CHANGE TOO EARLY OR OUT OF TOO MUCH DESPAIR AND NOTHING
ELSE. A BAD POSITION BECAUSE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE DRUG USE PATTERN IS
STILL THERE. IN THOSE CASES PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
CHANGING HABITS IS SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE AFTER SOME TIME AND SOME SURVIVAL
HABITS BECOMES PART OF THE SENSE OF IDENTITY.
OPTIONS ARE OKAY, OF COURSE!
MY PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS HIGHLY OPINIONATED AFTER 25 YRS IN THE
BUSINESS, AND EXTREMELY CYNICAL IN RELATION TO MOST CONVENTIONAL
THEORETICAL EXPLANATION TOOLS OF INTENSE DRUG USE, CERTAINLY THE MECHANICAL

ONES( LIKE THE MODERN MEDICAL EXPLANATIONS)
I DO NOT AND NEVER DID DENY PEOPLE HAVE FELT HELPED BY IBO ( OR THE
SETTING, OR THE CARE, OR THE EMPATHY,ETC)
DEALING WITH UNDERLYING PAIN BY A ONE TIME EXPERIENCE IS ALSO POSSIBLE,
CALLED LEARNING, INSIGHT, ETC.

WE DO NOT NEED THE DISEASE CONCEPT FOR DISCUSSING INTENSE AND FREQUENT DRUG

USE. DISEASE IS THE BUZZ WORD FOR MODERN PHARMACOLOGY AND CERTAINLY
PSYCHPHARMACOLOGY; THE MORE STATES OF MIND CAN BE MEDICALISED, THE BETTER.

I DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT TO GET HOOKED TO ANYTHING. NOT FUNCTIONAL.I DO NOT

APPRECIATE OPIATES, TRIED SOME OF THEIR VARIETIES BUT FOUND NO HEDONISTIC
OR OR OTHER USE FOR THEM. FOR THOSE WHO FEEL ‘NORMAL’ BY THEIR USE I CAN
NOT SPEAK AT ALL.BUT THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE THEIR USE SEEMS COMPLETELY
NORMAL TO ME.
IT IS GENERALLY TRUE THO THAT EXPERIENCING SOMETHING HELPS ‘UNDERSTANDING’
WHAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, BUT COULD NOT I HAVE AN OPINION ON THE THEORETICAL
MERIT OF EXPLANATIONS FOR A PHENOMENON? IT HELPED ME REALISE THE ATTRACTION

OF SOME DRUGS BY TRYING THEM, AND IT MAY HAVE INFLUENCED MY THEORETICAL
POSITIONS, BUT NOT MUCH.E.G. TRYING MDMA DID NOT INFLUENCE MY VIEW ON THE
THEORETICAL OR METHODOLOGICAL MODELS USED IN THE DESPERATE SEARCH FOR TOXIC

ACTIVITY OF THE DRUG

WHAT I MEANT WITH THE CONTEXT THAT CREATES THE VENERATION FOR IBO.
IT IS THIS VENERATION THAT I STRUGGLED MOST WITH, AND THE LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING FOR THE SOCIAL CONTEXT THAT PROVOKES IT.

ABOUT TOURISM: I SEE YOUR POINTS.

A question for you: do you think there is a Darwinian reason for drug use?
NO
Why do some humans like to get fucked up?

I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WANT TO GET FUCKED UP.THEY WILL THO.

So, what’s your story? How did you become the semiotic drug expert who
hates
drug experts?

I SEE DRUG EXPERTS, MOST OF THEM, AS CLERKS IN A CHURCHY BUSINESS, NOT AS
SCIENTIST. MOSTLY MY INTEREST IN A HISTORY
ORIENTED VERSION OF SOCIOLOGY BROUGHT ME THERE.

TAKE CARE STEVE, I AM OFF LIST NOW BUT IF YOU WISH WE CAN CONTINUE OUR
DISCUSSION.
PC

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From: “Steven Anker” <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: RE: Thoughts for pc
Date: February 28, 2005 at 2:11:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peter’s response, he’s off the list.

STEVEN, I NEVER SPOKE ABOUT A BEST WAY.JUST INTENDED TO SAY THAT CHANGING AN OPIATE HABIT ACCORDING TO ME BRINGS THE LEAST HASSLE ONCE PEOPLE ARE READSY AND TAPER OFF, IN THEIR OWN PACE, PROVIDED THEY REALLY WISH TO CHANGE.
I DO NOT BELEIVE IN PEOPLE NOT CHANGING IF THEY WISH, BUT I DO BELEIVE IN PEOPLE WANTING TO CHANGE TOO EARLY OR OUT OF TOO MUCH DESPAIR AND NOTHING ELSE. A BAD POSITION BECAUSE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE DRUG USE PATTERN IS STILL THERE. IN THOSE CASES PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
CHANGING HABITS IS SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE AFTER SOME TIME AND SOME SURVIVAL HABITS BECOMES PART OF THE SENSE OF IDENTITY.
OPTIONS ARE OKAY, OF COURSE!
MY PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS HIGHLY OPINIONATED AFTER 25 YRS IN THE BUSINESS, AND EXTREMELY CYNICAL IN RELATION TO MOST CONVENTIONAL THEORETICAL EXPLANATION TOOLS OF INTENSE DRUG USE, CERTAINLY THE MECHANICAL ONES( LIKE THE MODERN MEDICAL EXPLANATIONS)
I DO NOT AND NEVER DID DENY PEOPLE HAVE FELT HELPED BY IBO ( OR THE SETTING, OR THE CARE, OR THE EMPATHY,ETC)
DEALING WITH UNDERLYING PAIN BY A ONE TIME EXPERIENCE IS ALSO POSSIBLE, CALLED LEARNING, INSIGHT, ETC.

WE DO NOT NEED THE DISEASE CONCEPT FOR DISCUSSING INTENSE AND FREQUENT DRUG USE. DISEASE IS THE BUZZ WORD FOR MODERN PHARMACOLOGY AND CERTAINLY PSYCHPHARMACOLOGY; THE MORE STATES OF MIND CAN BE MEDICALISED, THE BETTER.

I DO NOT HAVE THE TALENT TO GET HOOKED TO ANYTHING. NOT FUNCTIONAL.I DO NOT APPRECIATE OPIATES, TRIED SOME OF THEIR VARIETIES BUT FOUND NO HEDONISTIC OR OR OTHER USE FOR THEM. FOR THOSE WHO FEEL ‘NORMAL’ BY THEIR USE I CAN NOT SPEAK AT ALL.BUT THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE THEIR USE SEEMS COMPLETELY NORMAL TO ME.
IT IS GENERALLY TRUE THO THAT EXPERIENCING SOMETHING HELPS ‘UNDERSTANDING’ WHAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, BUT COULD NOT I HAVE AN OPINION ON THE THEORETICAL MERIT OF EXPLANATIONS FOR A PHENOMENON? IT HELPED ME REALISE THE ATTRACTION OF SOME DRUGS BY TRYING THEM, AND IT MAY HAVE INFLUENCED MY THEORETICAL POSITIONS, BUT NOT MUCH.E.G. TRYING MDMA DID NOT INFLUENCE MY VIEW ON THE THEORETICAL OR METHODOLOGICAL MODELS USED IN THE DESPERATE SEARCH FOR TOXIC ACTIVITY OF THE DRUG

Just for a minute, I would love for you to consider some of your positions.
Never wrong?
TRUE, DRUG USE CAN BE HARMFUL TO ONES HEALTH.SO WHAT?
PROHIBITION MAKES THE USE OF SOME SO HARMFUL THAT IT CRUSHED PEOPLE.THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WITH THE CONTEXT THAT CREATES THE VENERATION FOR IBO.
IT IS THIS VENERATION THAT I STRUGGLED MOST WITH, AND THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE SOCIAL CONTEXT THAT PROVOKES IT.

ABOUT TOURISM: I SEE YOUR POINTS.

A question for you: do you think there is a Darwinian reason for drug use? NO
Why do some humans like to get fucked up?

I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WANT TO GET FUCKED UP.THEY WILL THO.

So, what’s your story? How did you become the semiotic drug expert who hates
drug experts?

I SEE DRUG EXPERTS, MOST OF THEM, AS CLERKS IN A CHURCHY BUSINESS, NOT AS SCIENTIST. MOSTLY MY INTEREST IN A HISTORY
ORIENTED VERSION OF SOCIOLOGY BROUGHT ME THERE.

TAKE CARE STEVE, I AM OFF LIST NOW BUT IF YOU WISH WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.
PC

From: “Steven Anker” <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc
Date: February 28, 2005 at 2:04:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, Fear and Loathing on th Campaing Trail 72. He was writing about Muskie crying like a little girl at New Hampshire event in front of the tv cameras which destroyed any chance of his election. Hunter said Muskies strange behavior could only be explained by a bellyful of ibogaine. I dont think he really believed that Muskie was on a bellyful of ibogaine. I actually hope you become a better writer than Hunter and fufill your potential which is something I think Hunter didnt do. Our friend Adam Parfrey has to write about doing ether with him, Ill pass it on when he is done.

Randy, Im sorry. I didnt mean to piss you off that much. I was trying to be funny and yes I have a problem with sensoring myself. I dont know if that is a West coast thing, so much as something about me as a person. Its a bad neurological condition with a rating in DSM IV, so I have an excuse. It has just been a long standing peeve with me that people celebrate the drug-use mythology of various artists over the art. Most people know Charlie Parker as a junkie over his music. Its the glamorization of various addictions from Billie Holiday to Keef to Sid V. that have always bugged me as it gives the power to the drugs as opposed to the artist. In an odd way, yes I was trying to help you, its your power as a musician and an artist that make you rock out, not the drugs. Every artist you mentioned has been glamorized for drug use. One thing Ive always wondered about is how was all that mellow 70s So Cal soft rock of the Eagles and Fleetwood Mack created by some of the most coked out musicians in the world? Greg Allman said that one of lifes big mysterys was why coke made him play slow and smack fast. The stooges vs. the eagles.

I guess I also reacted strongly because Ive gone through a family member, my grandfather, blowing his brains out, its not fun for the people left behind. It didnt surprise me, but it didnt make it better. Right before he died he gave me his awesome gun and rifle collection. I saw a 38 James Bond pistol, hey what about that one? Youll only get that one from my dead hands. Didnt really think about it, thinking it was about self-protection. Having his bloody room to deal with was not fun. Cleaning up (the police dont offer maid service.) sucked. He did it for what seems to be the same reason as Hunter, getting sick and old. Murder is murder,whether to yourself or someone else.

As a fan of Hunter check out his letters to Ralph Steadman giving parenting advice, it was in one of his recent collections. As a parent and fan, you will love it. Very funny. His recent work on ESPN I liked quiet a bit, even though I dont like sports. The doc Breakfast with Gonzo is decent , you might like as well.

Hey, you lighten up Butthead. If blowing you is what it takes to be friends, then next time you are out West, please give a call, as that is what us West Coast boys do to be polite. Joking. Ahhh, come on, I never make you smile or laugh? Buddy? Ill never pick on you again. Im sorry. And hey, being the fly in the soup isnt fun for the fly. Ill stop writing if it does harm, not good. We all want the same thing.

Francis, I know about Bill Wilson and acid. He was trip buddies with Aldus Huxley and we all know he came up with the 12 steps ripped to the tits on belladonna with a visitation of a great white light. I was just writing about Schweitzer, it was his strength of conviction in Christianity which would not allow him to partake in a local animistic religion. He is a hero to me and I was not writing about Christians as a group, merely Schweitzers own beliefs. We were not there, who knows maybe he slipped off and played with the Bwiti. I like to think that if he did, he would have written about it.

Take care,
Steve

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:05:12 -0500

HST’s wife said in an LA Times article a couple days ago that “he used drugs to work, not as an excuse not to work,” which I was touched by.
He also wrote once in Campaign Trail that (Muskie?) one politician who broke down and cried over sleazy attacks on his wife by opponents (I think that was the gist of it, though I could be misremembering as it’s been a long time since I read that) had possibly been given ibogaine, right? Wasn’t that what he’d written? If I’m wrong, please do correct me, but until then I’m going to take the plunge and put this out there.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Steven Anker” <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc

Tom,

Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate the list as well, that ‘cosmic mind.’ What sort of Dr. are you? A good Dr. or a bad Dr.?

Dr. Schweitzer never took iboga, he was way too much of a Christian to do so. I’ve heard that he thought iboga to be as important as penicillin. It’s bullshit, another of the ibo myths. He did have some faith in the witch dr.’s around him. What impressed me about his hospital was how completely small and humble his living quarters where. I was hoping for at least a cool organ. There are so many myth’s about the ibo, eh? Pygmies. selfless devotion to helping addicts… One day I’ll write them all out.

I read more of Peter’s work and I realized he will never think ibo has any worth. If “the addiction doctor [is] the voodoo priest of Western man,” I doubt he will find any value in something that is ultimately a combination of both. Snowballs in hell. No sooner could I convince a priest of the joy of hot sex with a nubile boy. Uhhmm. Never mind.

Peter’s ideas make complete sense, addiction is a creation to satisfy complex societal needs for an evil and quantifying the condition with DSM IV makes it nice. I think that’s it. The only argument I would make against it is to use an analogy of cooking garlic soup. More than garlic goes into the soup, even if it is the main flavor is garlic. Drug use and abuse are a combination of many ingredients.

Yes, it’s wrong of me to give Peter kudos for making Dana scream. But please, elder statesman? Dana? Are you on drugs Tom? Elder statesmen do not scream at differing opinions. Thomas Jefferson was an elder statesman. Howard, maybe. I will stop my venom against Dana as it pisses people off and on my part entirely personal. I do think it is great that he has helped many people and has a fan club. I think what he is best at is getting the word out to junkies. My opinion is that if you offer advice on whether to take ibo or not you should have taken it yourself, that’s all. I think he is a lousy public advocate. From protesting at the NIDA ibo hearings (scientists hate that sort of pressure) to plastering John Kerry with Sara’s thoughts of the importance of shrooms in ibo therapy, I do not see how these actions help. I’m a mean and vengeful fuck and have yet forgive him for distributing stuff I’ve written at protests without my permission. It was rude and I feel that manners are important. His actions reinforce the perception of ibo as a cult. “Science, not a cult.” Let’s talk about Jesus taking ibo now! Yes master.

People have been writing a bit about Hunter S. Thompson lately. Not that long ago the only knowledge people had of ibogaine came entirely from him. “Madness only explained by a bellyful of ibogaine.” I read a great remembrance by Paul Theroux in which he wrote about Hunter:

“He could also be an oblique and fearful man, less a drug addict than (as he sometimes called himself) a dope fiend. There is a peculiar sort of irritable and sober and timid Mr Hyde who is always attempting with the use of drugs to transform himself into a bolder and happier Dr Jekyll; to transform himself for the purposes of art and science from a cranky destructor into a student of human behaviour. It is the Stevenson story turned on its head. I saw this in Hunter. Released from his rages and his babbling, he acquired a much sunnier mood, and after the drugs had taken hold he was calmer, more rational, with a greater attention span; under the influence Hunter called himself “Doc”.

He was always stuffing something into his mouth, and his chain-smoking wasn’t even half of it. I wonder if I ever saw him sober? He wasn’t an alcoholic, but he was certainly a drunkard; and though he could be compulsive, I don’t think he was a drug addict – not an obsessed and needy user of addictive drugs, at any rate, but what is generally known as a stoner and a sniffer. An addict is helpless, but drug-taking was for him a decision.”

Seems to relate a bit to what we have been talking about. Drugs where a decision, did him no great harm, made him nicer and more focused. That suites Peter’s argument. But why do drugs make some people feel normal and sunny and others not? Maybe some brain chemistry? Just maybe?

Preston, I truly hope you don’t pick up Hunter’s mantle and blow your brains out after inviting your son and grandson over for a weekend. Hopefully you can be half as good a writer.

Randy, you wrote “And Keith Richards aint got shit on Hunter when it comes to doing drugs.” Why this slavish worship of drug use? If he had to take enema’s to make it through the day, I doubt there would be such screaming celebration of his enema use. He also made allot of it up. Keef was once asked whom his favorite fictional character was. Hunter S. Thompson.

Happy Monday all,
Steve.

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From: “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine-rite of passage documentary
Date: February 28, 2005 at 12:39:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

Sorry I didn’t react on the orders sooner, but it’s been extremely busy
whith finishing the DVD and the website is being completely redone at
the moment.

Now the DVD’s are finished, I’m in New York at the moment, and as
Howard said, I will take care of everything later this week, when I get
back in Holland. (If it starts to snowstorm here, I might be stuck here
for some more days…you never know).

Thanks for the complements Randy,

Feel free to contact me if you have questions.

Ben

info@lunartproductions.com

Op 27/2/2005 schreef “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>:

In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:11:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
The producer/director, Ben de Loenen, is currently in the US and will be
returning to Europe later this week. I anticipate he will respond to orders
then.
Additionally, there will be a paypal link on his page for payments soon.

http://www.lunartproductions.com/html/home.htm

Howard
I highly recommend this documentary. Ben is one of the good guys. He did a
phenomenal job of making this movie, and after talking to him I know that his
heart is in the right place about Ibogaine too. I think Ben should take his film
to Cannes, and Sundance as soon as possible. Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc
Date: February 28, 2005 at 12:05:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

Tom,

Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate the list as well, that ‘cosmic mind.’ What sort of Dr. are you? A good Dr. or a bad Dr.?

Preston, I truly hope you don’t pick up Hunter’s mantle and blow your brains out after inviting your son and grandson over for a weekend. Hopefully you can be half as good a writer.

Happy Monday all,
Steve.

From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] AA fonder and LSD
Date: February 28, 2005 at 10:29:12 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In the late fifty Bill , one of the two founders of AA took LSD under the
supervision of his friend Gerald Heard .
Dr, Bob the second founder of AA use to shoot himself and his friends with B
complex When it come to recovery and to find a cure for alcoholism they
where both ready to investigate any , new idea. That should be the attitude
of open minded researchers, christian or not.
love and peace
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Tomo7” <tomo7@starband.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc

Steve

Well said, Steve! Your position was higher ground for our eloquent
mindvoxians. They do share more with each other than they care to
admit. Making Dana scream doesn’t rate a complement to Peter, IMHO,
Dana’s work on behalf of ibo and drug freedom puts him way up into
elder statesman territory for our side. But, he can probably handle
a rhetorical jab more than Peter, so your comparative worked.

Also, you wildly understated Herr Docktor Schweitzer’s appreciation
of the witch doctors in Africa. He often referred to them as his
primary referral to local medical professionals for their own
people, and far better qualified than European academics to treat
disease in Africa. I bet he tried Ibo, given a chance and with his
scientific attitude. But again, the central point you made was a
respect for the fascinating history of knowledge and psychological
understandings within the native cultures there. Right on!

I haven’t figured out addiction as disease or freewill use. I’m glad
my addiction tendencies didn’t hit me when the heavier opiates and
today’s designer drugs were a social option. Just getting through
some phases of overappreciating weed and cigarettes was damn tough
for me. As a Cancer, I got good at various escapes, and lost a few
years back there, I think. I’m sure that all of the list members
have their own unique experiences and stories behind these complex
issues and mnd-food preferences. Beyond a love for the sheer
wizardry of the ibogaine experience, I love that it is a precious
tool for a person to see their deep inner self. More options and
tools for that work are basically a Good Thing, in my view. The rest
of our discussions are entertaining expressions of everyone’s unique
story. I appreciate this whole group.

Attaboy Steve. Thanks for keeping the bigger issues in focus for us.

Sincerely, Dr. Tom, Ibo clan member #074968

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna
Date: February 28, 2005 at 10:06:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Im definitely interested though at the moment Im too skint to even pay my rent! 🙁 And I can’t afford to call him-does he have an email address? A guy wrote to the list, Peter Haaf, saying he quit Subbies using Ibo but he didn’t give much detail. I emailed him via the list but no reply so far. I’ll try emailing him personally. I’m going insane trying to sort out cash and keep up with my degree course so I’d have to plan for Ibo-I know you do too cuz of your kiddy. Easter would’ve been good but I guess its too late now. Anyway, I’m definitely interested n I have a friend who is too though he’s more skint than me so it would depend what we got the cost down to. And where would we do it?

I’ve got to go cuz I’m really busy. I’ll write properly when I have more time. I’m thinking of you and hope you’re ok,

Lotsa luv Hannah x
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hey Steve.

hi hannah

Yes this guy is from Prague its £600 plus expenses but if he gets a few people to treat this is split between the people. I am not on the sub because everyone on list has said its easier and more affective if on heroin when treated with ibo, if you are interested in being treated maybe we can do this together and split the cost, what do you think?????? let me know and if you want i will give you his phone number.

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT,Sex Pistols
Date: February 28, 2005 at 8:26:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hannah

I rekon your ex is nuts you sound such a fantastic person, keep your chin up believe me it is his loss and i rekon he will be begging you to take him back, and if he does’nt you are better off without him
love Donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hey Steve.
Date: February 28, 2005 at 7:38:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi hannah

love donna

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ideal spectral data
Date: February 28, 2005 at 6:59:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is there someone out there who knows about theoretical chemistry and about how to run academic software like turbomole?

you could be the very first person in the universe to calculate the exact idealized spectral data of the ibogaine-molecule! wouldn´t that be something? if you cannot do that, maybe you know someone who can. then we would have extact frequencies that could be translated into sound and colours.

-ekki

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts
Date: February 28, 2005 at 4:45:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:57:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, stevenanker@hotmail.com writes:
Randy, you wrote “And Keith Richards aint got shit on Hunter when it comes
to doing drugs.” Why this slavish worship of drug use? If he had to take
enema’s to make it through the day, I doubt there would be such screaming
celebration of his enema use. He also made allot of it up. Keef was once
asked whom his favorite fictional character was. Hunter S. Thompson
It was a fucking joke dude, lighten up. If I had thought you were going to pick at me again, I would have been more on guard. Wait a minute, why the fuck should I be on guard. Just where do you get off putting labels on my intentions anyway. What do you mean slavish? Is this the part where I flip out and make you feel powerful? I’d say blow me, but you may not get the joke, what with your comments about sex with nubile little boys, and enema’s, I wouldn’t want you to take me serious or anything. Are you trying to help me, or just give me shit. OOH, I just thought of it. I’m cool with Dana, so now you hate me too. That’s sick dude. You don’t even know me. Us southern boys don’t say every word that pops in our head. We try and be polite. I guess on the West coast, when you think your opinion is more important than everyone else’s, you just “let er fly” huh? Hey Steve, I thought it was soooo cool the way Charles Bukowski got drunk too. Lighten up Beavis, or get a fuckin’ hobby, or something. I was trying to show respect, with a little humor. You ever read anything by Hunter? He did the same thing. Why do I keep defending my intentions with you? I’ve gone out of my way to show you some respect. I guess if you can’t see that, then I give up. Randy

From: “Steven Anker” <stevenanker@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc
Date: February 28, 2005 at 2:55:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tom,

Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate the list as well, that cosmic mind. What sort of Dr. are you? A good Dr. or a bad Dr.?

Dr. Schweitzer never took iboga, he was way too much of a Christian to do so. Ive heard that he thought iboga to be as important as penicillin. It’s bullshit, another of the ibo myths. He did have some faith in the witch dr.s around him. What impressed me about his hospital was how completely small and humble his living quarters where. I was hoping for at least a cool organ. There are so many myths about the ibo, eh? Pygmies
selfless devotion to helping addicts… One day Ill write them all out.

I read more of Peters work and I realized he will never think ibo has any worth. If the addiction doctor [is] the voodoo priest of Western man, I doubt he will find any value in something that is ultimately a combination of both. Snowballs in hell. No sooner could I convince a priest of the joy of hot sex with a nubile boy. Uhhmm. Never mind.

Peters ideas make complete sense, addiction is a creation to satisfy complex societal needs for an evil and quantifying the condition with DSM IV makes it nice. I think that’s it. The only argument I would make against it is to use an analogy of cooking garlic soup. More than garlic goes into the soup, even if it is the main flavor is garlic. Drug use and abuse are a combination of many ingredients.

Yes, its wrong of me to give Peter kudos for making Dana scream. But please, elder statesman? Dana? Are you on drugs Tom? Elder statesmen do not scream at differing opinions. Thomas Jefferson was an elder statesman. Howard, maybe. I will stop my venom against Dana as it pisses people off and on my part entirely personal. I do think it is great that he has helped many people and has a fan club. I think what he is best at is getting the word out to junkies. My opinion is that if you offer advice on whether to take ibo or not you should have taken it yourself, thats all. I think he is a lousy public advocate. From protesting at the NIDA ibo hearings (scientists hate that sort of pressure) to plastering John Kerry with Saras thoughts of the importance of shrooms in ibo therapy, I do not see how these actions help. Im a mean and vengeful fuck and have yet forgive him for distributing stuff Ive written at protests without my permission. It was rude and I feel that manners are important. His actions reinforce the perception of ibo as a cult. Science, not a cult. Lets talk about Jesus taking ibo now! Yes master.

People have been writing a bit about Hunter S. Thompson lately. Not that long ago the only knowledge people had of ibogaine came entirely from him. Madness only explained by a bellyful of ibogaine. I read a great remembrance by Paul Theroux in which he wrote about Hunter:

He could also be an oblique and fearful man, less a drug addict than (as he sometimes called himself) a dope fiend. There is a peculiar sort of irritable and sober and timid Mr Hyde who is always attempting with the use of drugs to transform himself into a bolder and happier Dr Jekyll; to transform himself for the purposes of art and science from a cranky destructor into a student of human behaviour. It is the Stevenson story turned on its head. I saw this in Hunter. Released from his rages and his babbling, he acquired a much sunnier mood, and after the drugs had taken hold he was calmer, more rational, with a greater attention span; under the influence Hunter called himself “Doc”.

Seems to relate a bit to what we have been talking about. Drugs where a decision, did him no great harm, made him nicer and more focused. That suites Peters argument. But why do drugs make some people feel normal and sunny and others not? Maybe some brain chemistry? Just maybe?

Preston, I truly hope you dont pick up Hunter’s mantle and blow your brains out after inviting your son and grandson over for a weekend. Hopefully you can be half as good a writer.

Randy, you wrote And Keith Richards aint got shit on Hunter when it comes to doing drugs. Why this slavish worship of drug use? If he had to take enemas to make it through the day, I doubt there would be such screaming celebration of his enema use. He also made allot of it up. Keef was once asked whom his favorite fictional character was. Hunter S. Thompson.

Happy Monday all,
Steve.

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please unsubscribe me from this list
Date: February 28, 2005 at 2:28:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Todd Morgan <sovntm@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Sorry, I’m baked this made me laugh 🙂

Maybe the answers are hidden in what I received from the mindvox cosmic
eightball tonight.

Could help.

.:vector:.

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Date: February 28, 2005 at 1:04:00 AM EST
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine-rite of passage documentary
Date: February 27, 2005 at 4:11:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:11:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, HSLotsof@aol.com writes:
The producer/director, Ben de Loenen, is currently in the US and will be
returning to Europe later this week. I anticipate he will respond to orders then.
Additionally, there will be a paypal link on his page for payments soon.

http://www.lunartproductions.com/html/home.htm

Howard
I highly recommend this documentary. Ben is one of the good guys. He did a phenomenal job of making this movie, and after talking to him I know that his heart is in the right place about Ibogaine too. I think Ben should take his film to Cannes, and Sundance as soon as possible. Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Afghans Accuse U.S. of Secret Spraying to Kill Poppies
Date: February 27, 2005 at 2:43:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Afghans Accuse U.S. of Secret Spraying to Kill Poppies

By CARLOTTA GALL

Published: February 27, 2005

ANAI, Afghanistan – Abdullah, a black-turbaned shepherd, said he was watching over his sheep one night in early February when he heard a plane pass low overhead three times. By morning his eyes were so swollen he could not open them and the sheep around him were dying in convulsions.
Although farmers had noticed a white powder on their crops, they cut grass and clover for their animals and picked spinach to eat anyway. Within hours the animals were severely ill, people here said, and the villagers complained of fevers, skin rashes and bloody diarrhea. The children were particularly affected. A week later, the crops – wheat, vegetables and poppies – were dying, and a dozen dead animals, including newborn lambs, lay tossed in a heap.
The incident on Feb. 3 has left the herders of sheep and goats in this remote mountain area in Helmand Province deeply angered and suspicious. They are convinced that someone is surreptitiously spraying their lands or dusting them with chemicals, presumably in a clandestine effort to eradicate Afghanistan’s bumper poppy crop, the world’s leading source of opium.
The incident in Kanai was not the first time that Afghan villagers – or Afghan government officials – had complained of what they suspected was nighttime spraying. In November, villagers in Nimla, in Nangarhar Province, said their fields, too, had been laced with chemicals when a plane passed overhead several times during the night.
Afterward, Afghan and foreign officials who investigated returned with samples of tiny gray granules that they said provided evidence that spraying had occurred. Two Western embassies sent samples abroad for analysis but have not yet received the results.
At that time, President Hamid Karzai publicly condemned the spraying. Though it was never clear who was responsible, members of his staff said they suspected the United States or Britain, which together have been leading the struggle to rein in Afghan poppy cultivation, which has reached record levels. Both countries finance outside security firms to train Afghan counternarcotics forces.
President Karzai said his government was not spraying fields and had no knowledge of such activity, and he called in the American and British ambassadors for an explanation. Then, as now, the American and British Embassies denied any involvement.
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More at above url.
Damned poisoners- which is worse- opiates or the poisons sprayed upon the poppies to eradicate those opiates? It’s such an obvious answer too, but that doesn’t really matter much when it comes to the WOSDU.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine freebase/caution
Date: February 27, 2005 at 2:41:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I tried smoking the HCl, by accident actually. I didn’t smoke a lot but a bowl or two full and it was mixed with cannabis, but I didn’t notice any effects. I would give it a shot with the freebase in small amounts, if I had anymore. Would be a neat experiment on a crazy guinea pig, like myself!! 😉
CE

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/27/05 5:36:17 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

>pure curiosity:
>is there a recipe of how to make freebase out of HCl? its easy to do
>with cocaine HCl . does ibogaine behaves similar ? can freebase be
>absorbed by the body as well as HCl, since its probably not water
>soluble? please donīt get upset anyone, i wonīt try to smoke it and i
>donīt plan to flood the ghettos with crack ibogaine (LOL). its trivial
>pursuit only. -ekki

Ekki and all,

Please note that ibogaine toxicity may be significantly increased by
administration other than oral. IV injection of ibogaine for instance is ten times
more toxic than that of oral administration. Additionally significant biphasic
blood pressure responses may occur. I believe that some research on smoked
ibogaine may have occurred in europe but, I do not have the results and suggest
that this may be an area of research dangerous to human subjects.

Any reports on smoked ibogaine would be appreciated.

Howard

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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving
Date: February 27, 2005 at 2:06:32 PM EST
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Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: [DrugWar] Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving

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From: “Kay Lee” <kaylee1@charter.net>
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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: [cia-drugs] Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving

Pubdate: 26 Feb 2005
Source: New Scientist
Contact: onlinenews@newscientist.com
Website: http://www.newscientist.com/
Webpage:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18524881.400
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Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving

26 February 2005
From New Scientist Print Edition.

John Horgan

John Horgan is a freelance science writer based in Garrison, New York. His
latest book, Rational Mysticism (Mariner Books), was published in paperback
last year

JOHN HALPERN clearly remembers what made him change his mind about
psychedelic drugs. It was the early 1990s and the young medical student at a
hospital in Brooklyn, New York, was getting frustrated that he could not do
more to help the alcoholics and addicts in his care. He sounded off to an
older psychiatrist, who mentioned that LSD and related drugs had once been
considered promising treatments for addiction.

“I was so fascinated that I did all this research,” Halpern recalls. “I was
reading all these papers from the 60s and going, whoa, wait a minute! How
come nobody’s talking about this?”

More than a decade later, Halpern is now an associate director of substance
abuse research at Harvard University’s McLean Hospital and is at the
forefront of a revival of research into psychedelic medicine. He recently
received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to give
late-stage cancer patients the psychedelic drug MDMA, also known as ecstasy.
He is also laying the groundwork for testing LSD as a treatment for dreaded
super-migraines known as cluster headaches.

And Halpern is not alone. Clinical trials of psychedelic drugs are planned
or under way at numerous centres around the world for conditions ranging
from anxiety to alcoholism. It may not be long before doctors are legally
prescribing hallucinogens for the first time in decades. “There are
medicines here that have been overlooked, that are fundamentally valuable,”
says Halpern.

These developments are a remarkable turnaround. Scientists first became
interested in psychedelic drugs – also called hallucinogens because of their
profound effect on perception – after Albert Hofmann, a chemist working for
the Swiss pharmaceutical firm Sandoz, accidentally swallowed LSD in 1943.

Hofmann’s description of his experience, which he found both enchanting and
terrifying, spurred scientific interest in LSD as well as naturally
occurring compounds with similar effects: mescaline, the active ingredient
of the peyote cactus; psilocybin, found in magic mushrooms; and DMT, from
the Amazonian shamans’ brew ayahuasca.

At first, many scientists called these drugs “psychotomimetics” because
their effects appeared to mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia and other
mental illnesses. However, many users rhapsodised about the life-changing
insights they achieved during their experiences, so much so that in 1957,
British psychiatrist Humphry Osmond proposed that the compounds be renamed
“psychedelic”, from the Greek for “mind-revealing”. The term caught on, and
psychiatrists started experimenting with the drugs as treatments for mental
illness.

By the mid-1960s, more than 1000 peer-reviewed papers had been published
describing the treatment of more than 40,000 patients for schizophrenia,
depression, alcoholism and other disorders.

A prominent member of this movement was Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary,
who among other things tested whether psilocybin and LSD could be used to
treat alcoholism and rehabilitate convicts.

Although his studies were initially well received, Leary eventually lost his
reputation – and his job – after he began touting psychedelics as a hotline
to spiritual enlightenment. Leary’s antics helped trigger a backlash, and by
the late 1960s psychedelics had been outlawed in the US, Canada and Europe.

Unsurprisingly, clinical research ground to a halt, partly because obtaining
the necessary permits became much more difficult, but also because few
researchers were willing to risk their reputations studying demonised
substances.

But to some brave souls, psychedelic medicine never lost its allure. One of
them is Rick Doblin, who in 1986 founded the Multidisciplinary Association
for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) in Sarasota, Florida, and who earned a
doctorate from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government after writing a
dissertation on the federal regulation of psychedelics.

For nearly 20 years MAPS has lobbied the FDA and other government agencies
to allow research on psychedelics to resume. It has also persuaded
scientists to pursue the work and raised funds to support them.

A similar body, the Heffter Research Institute in Santa Fe, New Mexico, was
founded in 1993 by scientists with an interest in hallucinogens.

In the past couple of years their efforts have begun to pay off. Doblin is
optimistic that psychedelic research is back for good, and this time it will
do things right. “This gives us the chance to show that we have learned our
lessons,” he says. Halpern, too, is anxious to lay to rest the ghost of
Leary.

“That man screwed it up for so many people,” he says.

With this in mind, Halpern says the first task for him and others is to
evaluate the safety of psychedelics. And they are up against an entrenched
orthodoxy: a 1971 editorial in The Journal of the American Medical
Association warned that repeated ingestion of psychedelics causes
personality deterioration. “Only a few of those who experience more than 50
‘trips’ are spared,” it warned.

So Halpern’s first big foray into psychedelic research was aimed at
risk-assessment. In the late 1990s he launched a study of members of the
Native American Church, who are permitted by US law to consume peyote.

Halpern examined 210 residents of a Navajo reservation in the south-west US,
who fell into three categories: church members who had taken peyote at least
100 times but had had little exposure to other drugs or alcohol; non-church
members who abstained from alcohol or drugs; and former alcoholics who had
been sober for at least three months.

Halpern tested the subjects’ IQ, memory, reading ability and other
functions. His interim results showed that church members had no cognitive
impairment compared with the abstainers, and scored significantly better
than recovering alcoholics. Church members also reported no “flashbacks” –
sudden recurrences of a psychedelic’s effects long after the initial trip.

Halpern believes this study, which he expects will be published soon, shows
that contrary to the 1971 editorial, peyote at least can be taken repeatedly
without adverse effects.

He is now conducting a similar assessment of MDMA. This drug is sometimes
called an “empathogen” because it heightens feelings of compassion and
reduces anxiety. Anecdotal reports suggest it has therapeutic potential, and
some psychiatrists used it alongside psychotherapy before it was outlawed in
1985.

However, anecdotal and scientific evidence have also linked MDMA with brain
damage, though the research is controversial.

Ecstasy impact

Judging the true impact of MDMA is complicated by the fact that users often
combine it with other drugs and alcohol. To get around this, Halpern
recruited a group of American mid-westerners who admitted taking MDMA but
said they shunned other substances. He separated them into “moderate” users,
who had consumed MDMA 22 to 50 times, and “heavy” users, who had taken it
more than 50 times.

Halpern recently reported in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence that,
compared with controls, heavy users displayed “significant deficits” in
mental processing speed and impulsivity. Moderate users, however, had no
major problems. Halpern believes this shows that MDMA’s benefits may
outweigh its risks for certain patients. And apparently the FDA and the
McLean Hospital agree, since both have approved Halpern’s plan to test MDMA
as an anti-anxiety drug for a dozen late-stage cancer patients.

Halpern still needs permission from the Drug Enforcement Administration, but
he expects to begin recruiting patients soon.

He is also interested in the potential benefits of the true hallucinogens.
In 1996, he reviewed almost 100 substance abuse trials involving LSD,
psilocybin, DMT and ibogaine, an extract of the African shrub Tabernanthe
iboga. Halpern found tentative evidence that the drugs can reduce addicts’
cravings during a post-trip “afterglow” lasting for a month or two.

Exactly how this happens is something of a mystery. A popular theory is that
the benefits stem from the drugs’ psychological effects, which include
profound insights and cathartic emotions, but Halpern suspects that there
may be a biochemical explanation too.

For now, however, Halpern isn’t planning to pursue addiction therapy. He is
more interested in another medical use for LSD and psilocybin: treating a
debilitating condition known as cluster headaches. These attacks appear to
be caused by swelling of blood vessels in the brain and are worse than
migraines. Sufferers say the pain exceeds that of passing a kidney stone or
giving birth without anaesthetics. They affect about 3 in every 1000 people
sporadically, and 1 in 10,000 chronically. “There’s a tremendous potential
need for this,” says Halpern, who investigated the problem after being
approached by a patient group.

Many patients get little or no relief from painkillers, but some claim that
small doses of LSD or psilocybin can alleviate the headaches and even
prevent them from occurring.

Halpern was intrigued; LSD is chemically related to ergot, a naturally
occurring compound that constricts blood vessels, and the derivatives
ergotamine and methysergide are commonly prescribed for migraines.

Halpern and his Harvard colleague Andrew Sewell are now gathering evidence
to persuade licensing officials – and themselves – that LSD and psilocybin
merit a clinical trial. Sewell has gathered more than 60 testimonials from
cluster headache sufferers who have treated themselves with LSD or
psilocybin.

Another member of the vanguard in the psychedelic revival is Charles Grob, a
psychiatrist at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, California,
and co-founder of the Heffter Institute.

After years struggling to get permits, Grob says he is slowly moving forward
with a study into using psilocybin to reduce distress in terminal cancer
patients. He points out that studies done in the 1960s suggested that
psychedelics can help patients come to terms with their impending death.

So far Grob has treated three patients, but he hopes to enrol more subjects
shortly.

Grob has also led several investigations like Halpern’s peyote study, but
looking at ayahuasca, the DMT-rich shamanic brew. Ayahuasca often causes
nausea and diarrhoea, and its psychedelic effects can be terrifying, but
Amazonian shamans nonetheless prize it for its visionary properties.

Since 1987 it has been a legal sacrament for several churches in Brazil, the
largest of which is União Do Vegetal. UDV combines elements of Christianity
with nature worship, and claims 8000 members.

In 1996 a team led by Grob reported in the Journal of Nervous And Mental
Disease that UDV members who regularly took ayahuasca were on average
physiologically and psychologically healthier than a control group of
non-worshippers. The UDV followers also had more receptors for the
neurotransmitter serotonin, which has been linked to lower rates of
depression and other disorders.

Many of the UDV members told the scientists that ayahuasca had helped them
overcome alcoholism, drug addiction and other self-destructive behaviours.

More recently, Grob has found that adolescents who grew up participating in
ayahuasca ceremonies showed no ill effects and were less likely to engage in
crime and substance abuse than members of a control group. Of course, Grob
acknowledges that they could be benefiting from the social effects of
membership in a church as well as the effects of ayahuasca itself. Grob
plans to publish these results this year.

Several other scientists are quietly pursuing psychedelic research. Since
2001, psychiatrist Francisco Moreno of the University of Arizona in Tucson
has been testing psilocybin as a treatment for obsessive-compulsive
disorder.

Psychotherapy and antidepressants such as Prozac help many patients, but
some have such severe symptoms and are so resistant to treatment that they
turn to electroshock therapy and even brain surgery.

As with the work on cluster headaches, Moreno’s study was motivated by
reports from people with OCD that psilocybin relieves their symptoms.

So far, Moreno has given both sub-psychedelic and psychedelic doses of pure
psilocybin to nine treatment-resistant OCD subjects, in a total of 29
therapy sessions. His preliminary findings suggest firstly that it is safe
to ingest psilocybin, which was a primary concern of the trial. Beyond that,
Moreno calls his results “promising”, but won’t discuss them further, since
he plans to submit a paper to a peer-reviewed journal this year.

Meanwhile in Charleston, South Carolina, physician Michael Mithoefer is
carrying out a MAPS-sponsored clinical trial of MDMA as a treatment for
post-traumatic stress disorder.

PTSD affects up to 20 per cent of people who experience a traumatic event,
and involves distressing symptoms such as nightmares and panic attacks.
Conventional treatments typically consist of cognitive therapy and
antidepressants, but many patients don’t respond to these.

In the past year Mithoefer has given “MDMA-assisted” psychotherapy to six
treatment-resistant patients, all traumatised by violent crimes; he plans to
treat 20 patients in all.

The longest-running psychedelic therapy programme started almost 20 years
ago in Russia. Evgeny Krupitsky, a psychiatrist who heads a substance-abuse
clinic in St Petersburg, has treated more than 300 alcoholics and about 200
heroin addicts with ketamine.

Used primarily in veterinary medicine, ketamine is an anaesthetic that can
trigger an extremely disorienting hallucinogenic episode lasting an hour or
so. Krupitsky’s subjects often emerge from their sessions filled with
revulsion for their past lives and determined to change.

The therapists encourage these feelings with tricks such as forcing the
subjects to sniff a bottle of vodka at the peak of their session; the
patients’ disgust often persists long after the ketamine’s effects have worn
off.

In one of Krupitsky’s studies, 73 out of 111 alcoholics stayed dry for at
least a year after their session, compared with 24 per cent of those in a
control group. Yet his programme, which was funded by MAPS and the Heffter
Institute, was recently shut down because the Russian government tightened
restrictions on ketamine. Although Krupitsky says he and his colleagues “are
in the process of getting permission to continue”, it may be several years
before research resumes.

Although disappointed by this setback, Doblin is encouraged by developments
elsewhere. He is lobbying officials in Spain and Israel to approve studies
of MDMA for PTSD, and is raising funds for a substance-abuse trial of
ibogaine outside the US together with the Heffter Institute.

MAPS has also supported Frans Vollenweider, a psychiatrist at the University
of Zurich in Switzerland, who has done basic research on the physiological
effects of psilocybin and MDMA, and hopes to begin clinical research soon.

Doblin’s primary goal is to see psychedelics legally recognised as
medicines. But he also hopes that someday healthy people may take these
substances for psychological or spiritual purposes, as members of the Native
American Church and União Do Vegetal do, and as he did in his youth.

After all, drugs such as Prozac and Viagra are already prescribed not just
to heal the ill but also to enhance the lives of the healthy.

It is still an uphill struggle. Government funds for psychedelic studies are
hard to come by, and drug companies have shown absolutely no interest in
supporting the research. But there are signs that the wind is changing.

Although psychedelics are still classified in the US as schedule-1 drugs,
and so are banned for all non-research purposes, in November a US Federal
Appeals Court in Colorado ruled that a branch of the UDV based in Santa Fe,
New Mexico, could import ayahuasca for use in ceremonies.

Among the research findings cited in the court decision were Grob’s studies
showing no ill effects from ayahuasca.

The Department of Justice is appealing the decision, but if the Supreme
Court denies the appeal, UDV members in the US will be able to ingest
ayahuasca legally.

Maybe, just maybe, after more than 30 years in the wilderness, this
powerful, misunderstood but potentially mind-healing class of drugs is ready
to be rehabilitated.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OTdr. hunter s. thompson- another inspiration gone
Date: February 27, 2005 at 1:41:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Somebody needs to pick up where he left off. I think you’re elected dude.<

LOL, ok.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OTdr. hunter s. thompson- another inspiration gone

Preston, I was reading some old E mails I didn’t get to while I was gone, and came across yours about Hunter S. Thompson. Looks like he meant as much to you as he did to me. My older brother shoved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas at me when I was 16 I think, and said, ” You have to read this, there’ll be a test later.” I was immediately hooked. I did the same thing you did, and found everything I could by Hunter, and read it. Twice. My son read all his stuff after seeing the movie. It never occurred to me to be a writer, but I sure used his philosophy about drugs in my quest to Rock out. His aura was with me every time I played a gig after I read his stuff. I saw the parallels between us, he’s from KY, I’m from KY, he’s into drugs, I’m into drugs, he’s into guns, I’m into guns, (I started hunting on the farm when I was 8), all before I knew who he was. I’ve never been the same since. Writers are a lot like musicians if you ask me. The great ones are just plain magical. Hunter S. Thompson is the Jimi Hendrix of writers. And Keith Richards aint got shit on Hunter when it comes to doing drugs. Yea, there have been other great writers, Bukowski, Burrows, Huxley, Hemmingway, I could go on, but nobody coined a phrase like Hunter S. Thompson. Nobody did it with as much finesse either. Somebody needs to pick up where he left off. I think you’re elected dude. Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine-rite of passage documentary
Date: February 27, 2005 at 1:10:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/27/05 12:13:32 PM, mattzielinski@hotmail.com writes:

Im trying to order the documentary but havent got a response back.
Anybody knows what is going on>?

The producer/director, Ben de Loenen, is currently in the US and will be
returning to Europe later this week. I anticipate he will respond to orders then.
Additionally, there will be a paypal link on his page for payments soon.

http://www.lunartproductions.com/html/home.htm

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine freebase/caution
Date: February 27, 2005 at 1:05:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/27/05 5:36:17 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

pure curiosity:
is there a recipe of how to make freebase out of HCl? its easy to do
with cocaine HCl . does ibogaine behaves similar ? can freebase be
absorbed by the body as well as HCl, since its probably not water
soluble? please don´t get upset anyone, i won´t try to smoke it and i
don´t plan to flood the ghettos with crack ibogaine (LOL). its trivial
pursuit only. -ekki

Ekki and all,

Any reports on smoked ibogaine would be appreciated.

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] new reports
Date: February 27, 2005 at 12:56:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Two new ibogaine reports are not available.

Udi Bastiaans thesis on the results of his study of long term ibogaine
patients and my own report on ibogaine forms, dose and dose regimens that was
originally presented at the NYC Ibogaine Forum earlier this month. Udi Bastiaans is
the grandson of Prof. doctor Jan Bastiaans who first conducted ibogaine
therapies in the Netherlands. I want to also thank Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and
others for information they provided on dose regimens that are included in my
report. The Bastiaans’ report is in PDF format and my report is in PowerPoint.
Free readers for both PDF format and PowerPoint format are available as free
downloads from Microsoft and adobe. If you need a free reader just go to
google.com and use the terms free adobe reader or free PowerPoint reader.

Both are available from either of the two web pages below.

http://www.ibogaine.org/whatsnew.html
http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/whatsnew.html

Howard

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Drug Addiction & Sexual Abuse
Date: February 27, 2005 at 12:51:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi donna
it is said that a bad or missing relationship with the same sex parent can cause peronality disorders, especially if happening in the age between the 16th and 32th month when the peronal i is said to develop. those disorders might lead to addictive behaviour (drugs, relationships, religion, sex etc.) later on.
i know some peoples life history that seem to proof this theory.

what is interesting to check out in this context is the psychology of human communication developed by watzlawick et al., especially the double-bind part between parents and children and treatment approaches like family- or behavioural therapie.

there are also some books that have a psychoanalytic perspective on borderline that focus on early childhood problems. the problem with this approach is that even if one knows why one has such problems it doesn´t mean they go away.

i actually believe ibogaine has some healing effects on personality disorders.
-ekki

Am 27.02.2005 um 13:55 schrieb AbbotAngel@aol.com:

In a message dated 19/02/2005 20:03:05 GMT Standard Time, GardenRestaurant@comcast.net writes:

I have a friend who is a facilitator of Ibogaine and he told me that he found a relation beetwen addiction and a bad relation , at least for the male addict , with the father . What do you think ?

Hi Francis

Does your friend mean there could be a connection with male addicts who have had bad or abusive relationships with their fathers???? or maybe absent fathers???? I ask because a very good friend of mine addicted to heroin, his father walked out when he was very young and then he had an abusive step father, I have always said it has affected him deeply.

Love Donna

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine-rite of passage documentary
Date: February 27, 2005 at 12:12:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi
Im trying to order the documentary but havent got a response back. Anybody knows what is going on>?
Warmest Regards
Love—-Matt—

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From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I need your input, please
Date: February 27, 2005 at 9:47:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

I’m doing a research, and need data, so I am asking all of you who had
Ibogaine experience to fill the questionnaire in the “Reserch” section
(Register your Ibogaine Experience with Sacrament of Transition) of the
Sacrament of Transition home page (http://sacrament.kibla.si/)

It only takes a couple of minutes for a single IBO experience, and some
more for multiple experiences ;-))

And, if you know someone with IBO experience who is not on this list,
please forward…

Thank you =)

Please don’t ask me what kind of research, because I can’t tell (not that
I don’t want, but knowing what I’m looking for could result in biased
answers..)

Marko

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Drug Addiction & Sexual Abuse
Date: February 27, 2005 at 7:55:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 19/02/2005 20:03:05 GMT Standard Time, GardenRestaurant@comcast.net writes:
I have a friend who is a facilitator of Ibogaine and he told me that he found a relation beetwen addiction and a bad relation , at least for the male addict , with the father . What do you think ?
Hi Francis

Love Donna

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine freebase
Date: February 27, 2005 at 6:23:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ekki you have a good mind. That would solve the problem for people who become too sick to be able to eat the pills. Besides it would have to beat the shit outta having something stuck up your ass when your ripped on Ibogaine. Probably wouldn’t be good for people coming off of crack because it might be a trigger though. Randy

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine]Ibogaine freebase
Date: February 27, 2005 at 6:20:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dissolve HCl in water, then basify, then add np solvent to extract the
freebase, evap the solvent and you should have freebase. I haven’t
tried it, but that works for basically all alkaloids…
Peace…
CE

pure curiosity:
is there a recipe of how to make freebase out of HCl? its easy to do
with cocaine HCl . does ibogaine behaves similar ? can freebase be
absorbed by the body as well as HCl, since its probably not water
soluble? please donīt get upset anyone, i wonīt try to smoke it and i
donīt plan to flood the ghettos with crack ibogaine (LOL). its trivial
pursuit only. -ekki
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OTdr. hunter s. thompson- another inspiration gone
Date: February 27, 2005 at 6:15:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine freebase
Date: February 27, 2005 at 5:35:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

pure curiosity:
is there a recipe of how to make freebase out of HCl? its easy to do with cocaine HCl . does ibogaine behaves similar ? can freebase be absorbed by the body as well as HCl, since its probably not water soluble? please donīt get upset anyone, i wonīt try to smoke it and i donīt plan to flood the ghettos with crack ibogaine (LOL). its trivial pursuit only. -ekki

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CHRONIC CANDY
Date: February 27, 2005 at 4:59:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

CHRONIC CANDYThey were at Lolapalooza and I hung out at the tent, being a writer for HT and all, I was told I should stop by and say hello, so V and I did. They’re nice guys, the Chronic folk, but I wasn’t personally overly fond of the lollipops that tasted like herb- I mean, they did taste like herb and I don’t particularly want my lollipops tasting like herb. Personally that is.
But more power to them.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Kay Lee
To: MTWT Of Interest
Cc: Drugwar Ibogaine List
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CHRONIC CANDY

NEW AFRIKAN MILLENNIUM
23 FEBRUARY 2005

CHRONIC CANDY
By Admin., January 13, 2005

WILL IT EVER END?

http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc5482.html

Snoop Dog and reality-TV star Paris Hilton are endorsing a new weed-flavored candy that is stirring up controversy and generating criticism among New York City politicians.

Presently found in 43 stores across the Big Apple, CHRONIC CANDY, http://www.chroniccandy.com/main/index3.asp hemp-rooted lollipops and gumdrops promises that “Every lick is like taking a hit.” It’s quickly becoming top choice for local costumers with the munchies, while drawing criticism from politicians who feel the candy promotes drug use to the youth.

“How could we go into the market and create a product for children that encourages them to taste marijuana?” Councilwoman Margarita Lopez (D-Manhattan) exclaimed on WPIX-Channel 11, “What is the message? ‘Use drugs’, that is okay?”

While the weed sweets do not contain THC, the ingredient that intoxicates marijuana users, the candy comes in “nickel bags” and “20 sacks” like marijuana. It also provides flavors themed after its countless nicknames including “Chronic” and “Sticky Icky Skunk Buds.

Unlike the candy’s many protesters, Chronic Candy Founder Antonio Montana asserts that the sweets were never intended for kids.

“Give me a list of what we can do to keep these things out of kids’ hands, and I’ll do it,” Montana, 36, who began importing the candies from Switzerland four years ago, told Daily News. “I don’t think kids should be eating them. It’s an adult thing.”

Montana also suggested that retailers put an 18-and-older-only tag on the treats, but added that it’s to their discretion.

Queens store owner, David Abramowitz has already enforced an 18-and-older policy and shared that he isn’t shocked by the controversy surrounding the candy.

“Lopez is making all this noise. Look, I’m not out to corrupt kids,” Abramowitz, 62, claimed to Daily News. “It’s just for kicks.”

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] love
Date: February 27, 2005 at 2:08:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Hannah,
Come here girl and give me a big hug.
Do you remember when Johnny Rotten was on Judge Judy?, it was a crack up.

I understand how your feeling,..I went through something very similar, breaking up
with a girl that was straight.I think I told you about it a few months ago.How does
that saying go?,

“This to shall pass”.

Jimi baby rocks. By the way Hannah,…your bigger than life.I can feel you
from way over here.

Shrooms,…I know that when I had them at Sara’s they did help big time,
however that was with the Iboga,..some days after. The shrooms seemed
to sweep up some of what the Iboga had left behind, and WOW what a great
trip,I laughed and laughed and laughed, it was very healing.They were
Columbian. Mmm Mmm Mmm.

I am thinking of you and sending love your way.

love,
Jasen.
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT,Sex Pistols

Hi all!

Take my advice n listen to lotsa Sex Pistols n get rip roarin drunk! Or am I showing my immaturity? Or Britishness? All I know is I’m still trying to get oevr being dumped for soemone else after 3yrs. Its been 3 months now. I reckon once he moves his stuff out this weekend I’ll just have to stay well away from him. My bank balance says I have £200 but won’t let me have any and its Friday night, how craps that?! I dunno why I’m writing this. I read all your posts with love and they cheer me up and strengthen me but I feel just so bloody….human? next to you all. My world is so tiny. I’ve been doing the brown and the rock, I love snowballs, but now I have just have vodka and Sid to help me. I’m sorry. Dya think Shrooms can be used in any way like Ibo? I have access to them! Any advice on growing em would be greatly appreciated too.

I feel very small.

Keep tellin myself that ain’t nesseccarily a bad fing!

Love and saorry for babbling bollox. I’m on a self-destruct streak!

Love Hannah xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I love Violent Femmes, Blister in the sun-that cheers me up.

And ofcourse Jimi hendrix, Davidi Bowie in his Z.Stardust faze, erm…New Model army n Levellers but I guess they’re british. Now listening to ’12 days of christmas punk’ by Sex pistols-werhay.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] James
Date: February 26, 2005 at 10:01:32 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey James,

You go bro’, I loved the beach and still do.
The beach gave me energy,..it still does.

I felt like I wanted to drink it all up(ocean)
Actually I did drink quite a bit whilst being
dumped and pounded by the waves, I love
it.

Children,…wow,..the unconditional love
pure innocence,..to me they are mirrors
of who we truly are.

It reminds me of the Buddha with 10 babies
crawling all over him as he sits with his
most gorgeous smile.

love,
Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: MrPure@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] James

dear randy,
your dead right, kids rock.(Chloe 6 and Mia 5)
my kids never appeared to me in my experience but when I came out of it I had a really guilty feeling about it. It has been 4 weeks since I did the ibogaine and my life has just started feeling as if I’m back to normal. that’s why I’m going to Aruba for a week to chill out and relax and swim in the ocean.
I will be back on line in a week.
peace to you all.
James

From: “Tomo7” <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thanks for Steve’s thoughts for pc
Date: February 26, 2005 at 9:16:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Steve

Attaboy Steve. Thanks for keeping the bigger issues in focus for us.

Sincerely, Dr. Tom, Ibo clan member #074968

From: “Kay Lee” <kaylee1@charter.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CHRONIC CANDY
Date: February 26, 2005 at 6:49:53 PM EST
To: “MTWT Of Interest” <kaylee1@charter.net>
Cc: “Drugwar Ibogaine List” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

NEW AFRIKAN MILLENNIUM
23 FEBRUARY 2005

CHRONIC CANDY
By Admin., January 13, 2005

WILL IT EVER END?

http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc5482.html

Snoop Dog and reality-TV star Paris Hilton are endorsing a new weed-flavored candy that is stirring up controversy and generating criticism among New York City politicians.

Unlike the candy’s many protesters, Chronic Candy Founder Antonio Montana asserts that the sweets were never intended for kids.

Montana also suggested that retailers put an 18-and-older-only tag on the treats, but added that it’s to their discretion.

Queens store owner, David Abramowitz has already enforced an 18-and-older policy and shared that he isn’t shocked by the controversy surrounding the candy.

“Lopez is making all this noise. Look, I’m not out to corrupt kids,” Abramowitz, 62, claimed to Daily News. “It’s just for kicks.”

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] sound of heroin
Date: February 26, 2005 at 6:18:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

kind of spooky.

only for nerds:
data derived from a photoacustic spectrum of heroin between 1100 and 900 cm^-1.
the formula is the same as used with the ibo sounds: lightspeed/wavelenght^-1/2^n where n is selected in a way to get it into the audible range, i think i took 35. i´m happy for other suggestions or correction.

From: “Kay Lee” <kaylee1@charter.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving
Date: February 26, 2005 at 5:17:07 PM EST
To: “Drugwar Ibogaine List” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

26 February 2005
From New Scientist Print Edition.

John Horgan

John Horgan is a freelance science writer based in Garrison, New York. His
latest book, Rational Mysticism (Mariner Books), was published in paperback
last year

“I was so fascinated that I did all this research,” Halpern recalls. “I was
reading all these papers from the 60s and going, whoa, wait a minute! How
come nobody’s talking about this?”

By the mid-1960s, more than 1000 peer-reviewed papers had been published
describing the treatment of more than 40,000 patients for schizophrenia,
depression, alcoholism and other disorders.

A prominent member of this movement was Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary,
who among other things tested whether psilocybin and LSD could be used to
treat alcoholism and rehabilitate convicts.

A similar body, the Heffter Research Institute in Santa Fe, New Mexico, was
founded in 1993 by scientists with an interest in hallucinogens.

“That man screwed it up for so many people,” he says.

Halpern believes this study, which he expects will be published soon, shows
that contrary to the 1971 editorial, peyote at least can be taken repeatedly
without adverse effects.

However, anecdotal and scientific evidence have also linked MDMA with brain
damage, though the research is controversial.

Ecstasy impact

Halpern still needs permission from the Drug Enforcement Administration, but
he expects to begin recruiting patients soon.

These attacks appear to be caused by swelling of blood vessels in the brain
and are worse than migraines. Sufferers say the pain exceeds that of passing
a kidney stone or giving birth without anaesthetics. They affect about 3 in
every 1000 people sporadically, and 1 in 10,000 chronically. “There’s a
tremendous potential need for this,” says Halpern, who investigated the
problem after being approached by a patient group.