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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga
Date: December 31, 2004 at 10:18:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, so this Krishna dude wasn’t into herbs at all? Anything that treats or prevents disease is a drug but I’m probly just being pedantic!!  :oP
Some stuff on here goes way over my head sometimes LOL
Duh
K.I.S.S.
From: The Garden [mailto:GardenRestaurant@comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2005 7:23 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga

Hi !1
Drugs , what kind of drugs ? Legal or illegals ? if is talking about illegal drugs I can  continue to smoke, get drunk and get hight on prescribed drugs? . Or is was refering to legal drugs ?/!  Or to all drugs ?
God Bless

—– Original Message —–
From: Iboga_planteur
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Krishnamurti was against the use of any drugs, what do you think he would have thought about Eboka?
Thanks!
Planteur
—–Message d’origine—–
De : Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Envoyé : vendredi 31 décembre 2004 15:48
À : ibogaine@mindvox.com
Objet : RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Hi Nick,

I think you are right about the TV trying to help me but not in the way you think J

Krisnamurti argued that we should not accept anybody’s beliefs etc. That we should find out things for ourselves and hence I have lived my life by this dictum: What is, is what is not. So I know you will understand that while I am happy to be challenged by your views there is no way I am going to depart from a path I have spent a life time finding, which has transformed my life remarkably, simply because you may consider it a folly of sorts.

One of the major stumbling blocks I went through was to let go of the simplistic catholic teachings that encouraged me to accept how things were and to seek peace of mind through a simple connection to Christ, along a few guidelines which generally played on guilt that I should be grateful for what I had. THANKS BE TO GOD I GOT RID OF THAT CROCK OF SHIT IN MY LIFE! Hence, I was very excited when I didn’t find Krisnamurti – I found myself!

So when I read what you write it reminds me of the religious teachings, Catholic included, that close the doors to many other possibilities based on the idea that it is right. Because you have not experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Think of me as spiritually immature if you wish but I am, in my opinion, a very, very blessed man. In the words of Karma, I have watched my Karma from this life burn and leave me and also Karma from my past life which I have relived through eboga. I am measurably a far different man whose experience of life is utterly transformed. I am someone who feels in a way I have not since I was a child.

So forgive me if I chose to stick to the path I am on. If I were to take your advice I would only have myself to blame.

You clearly do not subscribe to the view that life is for developing the soul through the experiences we have and need to resolve and understand. I do and this is fundamental to my experience.

A question: why is the idea that we have a path and work to do on that path to grow our own souls so alien to you? I am asking the question for the gut response and not the intellectual one. Is it something to do with your own catholic upbringing?

I very much believe that when we clear the ego we move onwards spiritually and so I guess I would have to say that I find your views possibly dangerous as they discourage the kind of work that can bring results. If someone has the choice to do the work with a strong chance to move towards inner peace, is it right to encourage them to seek a simple answer that quite possibly will keep them in their shit for a lifetime? I say this because the simple spiritual answers didn’t work for me or for many others. YET, the answers themselves are always simple. THAT is the point of simplicity I subscribe to and illustrates my point that: yes it is simple but yes it is not that simple. It actually doesn’t matter what system you use as long as you get where you are going…a car, a plane, a train, a bicycle….

Where I disagree:

1. “Whether you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind, there’s nothing to relate it to.”

I think souls are spiritually differentiated and we experience the spiritual realms via our soul, i.e. “NO MIND”, as interconnected spiritual phenomena.

2. “The only “spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.”

Not my personal experience but it is the experience of many. In my experiences with eboga I am continually (these days with a cleaner ego) surrounded and helped by spirits and I see them as not I – yet we are one at a deeper level of spiritual insight. I feel a great love and respect for them. That is my experience. I see souls as separate entities that are also utterly connected.

That is what makes for the greatness of “GOD” as it can have so many separate parts that are at the same time “ONE.” Contrast this with planet earth that has so many individuals who are unable to work for the good of one another and most certainly do not act as ONE!

So is there any basis upon which we can discuss when our views appear to be so different? I guess we agree on some things:

1. “We are the source.”

Yes, if you consider what source has transformed into to be another form of source.

2. “Everything that can be related is relative.”

Yes, if by that you mean that everything is interconnected.

3. “With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.”

Yes, I have a lot more of it now because of the work I have done with eboga. And because I have  recognised my humanity and how it works the doors are now opening to a higher state of mind. This is the work you seem to have difficulty accepting as necessary. I think this is the crux of your debate – you dislike any system of thought that leaves you with something to do.

4. “My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is. They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be anything other than 100% who you are.”

Yes, and through the work we learn this but first we need to learn the reasons behind the blockage and in doing so the blockage falls away and we grow spiritually to be a differentiated soul that fully participates in the whole which then makes the whole greater: GOD GROWS.

Conclusion: Perhaps we are talking about two ends of the same stick?

I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with a healing system based on eboga that consists of understanding how the ego works and the spiritual happenings that take place on the way towards healing the soul and ego, IF, in the end it works and leads to a state of “NO MIND” as you call it. I find an understanding of the ego extremely useful as I can use that understanding to progress much more quickly and let go of what I used along the way.

It reminds me of the story of 2 Buddhist monks crossing a stream. A woman needed help and one of the monks carried her across. After walking some way the other who was irritated by this said: “You are unclean. You touched that woman!” He replied: “I left that woman behind a long time ago but you are still carrying her.”

Love & Light,

Lee

P.S. Thanks for the spiritual sojourn!
Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
> I hit send on my TV
> internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
> this one “brief.”
>

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

> In the same way there is probably a unifying field
> theory that
> explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
> there is also
> a source from which all comes and through the power of
> creation,
> which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
> created.
>

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

> If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
> what has derived
> from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
>

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

> I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
> spiritual and work to
> integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
> enourages ignorance of one
> or the other.
>

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

> I have a question for you:
>
> Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
> through the eboga
> spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
> they be ignored or is
> a certain amount of gratiude in order?
>

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
”spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick


> A Happy New Year to you
>
> Lee
>
>
> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
> > Hell – att Jasen
> >
> >
> > Hi Jasen,
> >
> > Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
> > but I am sorry, I dont
> > think it is that simple.
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
> > insanely simple. I was in the
> > Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
>
>
> =====
> http://www.my-eboga.com
>
> Free copies of Amazing Grace by Lee Albert for members of the
> media available here:
>
> www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 31, 2004 at 5:41:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tim Leary effected though his promotion of LSD the way millions of

people think.  Maybe even tens of millions, maybe more.  How do
you
discredit that?

BBC: “Timothy Leary, the counter-culture guru of the Sixties, who
urged his generation to “tune in, turn on, drop out” informed on
friends and helpers in order to get out of jail early.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/380815.stm

I saw his actions as being self-involved, publicity-seeking, and
irresponsible overall. I wish that LSD had not received the
publicity he gave it, although one could argue that the way LSD was
publicised was due to the gestalt of the times, and would have
happened anyway.

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:17:25 -0800 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/28/04 8:59:13 PM, myeboga@yahoo.co.uk
writes:

<< Didn’t Leary get discredited in the end or was that

just bad press? >>

Tim Leary effected though his promotion of LSD the way millions of

people
think.  Maybe even tens of millions, maybe more.  How do you
discredit that?

Howard

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga
Date: December 31, 2004 at 1:23:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi !1
Drugs , what kind of drugs ? Legal or illegals ? if is talking about illegal drugs I can  continue to smoke, get drunk and get hight on prescribed drugs? . Or is was refering to legal drugs ?/!  Or to all drugs ?
God Bless

—– Original Message —–
From: Iboga_planteur
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Krishnamurti was against the use of any drugs, what do you think he would have thought about Eboka?
Thanks!
Planteur
—–Message d’origine—–
De : Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Envoyé : vendredi 31 décembre 2004 15:48
À : ibogaine@mindvox.com
Objet : RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Hi Nick,

I think you are right about the TV trying to help me but not in the way you think J

Krisnamurti argued that we should not accept anybody’s beliefs etc. That we should find out things for ourselves and hence I have lived my life by this dictum: What is, is what is not. So I know you will understand that while I am happy to be challenged by your views there is no way I am going to depart from a path I have spent a life time finding, which has transformed my life remarkably, simply because you may consider it a folly of sorts.

One of the major stumbling blocks I went through was to let go of the simplistic catholic teachings that encouraged me to accept how things were and to seek peace of mind through a simple connection to Christ, along a few guidelines which generally played on guilt that I should be grateful for what I had. THANKS BE TO GOD I GOT RID OF THAT CROCK OF SHIT IN MY LIFE! Hence, I was very excited when I didn’t find Krisnamurti – I found myself!

So when I read what you write it reminds me of the religious teachings, Catholic included, that close the doors to many other possibilities based on the idea that it is right. Because you have not experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Think of me as spiritually immature if you wish but I am, in my opinion, a very, very blessed man. In the words of Karma, I have watched my Karma from this life burn and leave me and also Karma from my past life which I have relived through eboga. I am measurably a far different man whose experience of life is utterly transformed. I am someone who feels in a way I have not since I was a child.

So forgive me if I chose to stick to the path I am on. If I were to take your advice I would only have myself to blame.

You clearly do not subscribe to the view that life is for developing the soul through the experiences we have and need to resolve and understand. I do and this is fundamental to my experience.

A question: why is the idea that we have a path and work to do on that path to grow our own souls so alien to you? I am asking the question for the gut response and not the intellectual one. Is it something to do with your own catholic upbringing?

I very much believe that when we clear the ego we move onwards spiritually and so I guess I would have to say that I find your views possibly dangerous as they discourage the kind of work that can bring results. If someone has the choice to do the work with a strong chance to move towards inner peace, is it right to encourage them to seek a simple answer that quite possibly will keep them in their shit for a lifetime? I say this because the simple spiritual answers didn’t work for me or for many others. YET, the answers themselves are always simple. THAT is the point of simplicity I subscribe to and illustrates my point that: yes it is simple but yes it is not that simple. It actually doesn’t matter what system you use as long as you get where you are going…a car, a plane, a train, a bicycle….

Where I disagree:

1. “Whether you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind, there’s nothing to relate it to.”

I think souls are spiritually differentiated and we experience the spiritual realms via our soul, i.e. “NO MIND”, as interconnected spiritual phenomena.

2. “The only “spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.”

Not my personal experience but it is the experience of many. In my experiences with eboga I am continually (these days with a cleaner ego) surrounded and helped by spirits and I see them as not I – yet we are one at a deeper level of spiritual insight. I feel a great love and respect for them. That is my experience. I see souls as separate entities that are also utterly connected.

That is what makes for the greatness of “GOD” as it can have so many separate parts that are at the same time “ONE.” Contrast this with planet earth that has so many individuals who are unable to work for the good of one another and most certainly do not act as ONE!

So is there any basis upon which we can discuss when our views appear to be so different? I guess we agree on some things:

1. “We are the source.”

Yes, if you consider what source has transformed into to be another form of source.

2. “Everything that can be related is relative.”

Yes, if by that you mean that everything is interconnected.

3. “With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.”

Yes, I have a lot more of it now because of the work I have done with eboga. And because I have  recognised my humanity and how it works the doors are now opening to a higher state of mind. This is the work you seem to have difficulty accepting as necessary. I think this is the crux of your debate – you dislike any system of thought that leaves you with something to do.

4. “My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is. They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be anything other than 100% who you are.”

Yes, and through the work we learn this but first we need to learn the reasons behind the blockage and in doing so the blockage falls away and we grow spiritually to be a differentiated soul that fully participates in the whole which then makes the whole greater: GOD GROWS.

Conclusion: Perhaps we are talking about two ends of the same stick?

I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with a healing system based on eboga that consists of understanding how the ego works and the spiritual happenings that take place on the way towards healing the soul and ego, IF, in the end it works and leads to a state of “NO MIND” as you call it. I find an understanding of the ego extremely useful as I can use that understanding to progress much more quickly and let go of what I used along the way.

It reminds me of the story of 2 Buddhist monks crossing a stream. A woman needed help and one of the monks carried her across. After walking some way the other who was irritated by this said: “You are unclean. You touched that woman!” He replied: “I left that woman behind a long time ago but you are still carrying her.”

Love & Light,

Lee

P.S. Thanks for the spiritual sojourn!

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
> I hit send on my TV
> internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
> this one “brief.”
>

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

> In the same way there is probably a unifying field
> theory that
> explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
> there is also
> a source from which all comes and through the power of
> creation,
> which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
> created.
>

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

> If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
> what has derived
> from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
>

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

> I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
> spiritual and work to
> integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
> enourages ignorance of one
> or the other.
>

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

> I have a question for you:
>
> Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
> through the eboga
> spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
> they be ignored or is
> a certain amount of gratiude in order?
>

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
“spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick

> A Happy New Year to you
>
> Lee
>
>
> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
> > Hell – att Jasen
> >
> >
> > Hi Jasen,
> >
> > Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
> > but I am sorry, I dont
> > think it is that simple.
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
> > insanely simple. I was in the
> > Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
>
>
> =====
> http://www.my-eboga.com
>
> Free copies of Amazing Grace by Lee Albert for members of the
> media available here:
>
> www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick
Date: December 31, 2004 at 1:19:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 31 December 2004 14:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Hi Nick,

I think you are right about the TV trying to help me but not in the way you think J

Krisnamurti argued that we should not accept anybody’s beliefs etc. That we should find out things for ourselves and hence I have lived my life by this dictum: What is, is what is not. So I know you will understand that while I am happy to be challenged by your views there is no way I am going to depart from a path I have spent a life time finding, which has transformed my life remarkably, simply because you may consider it a folly of sorts.

Hi Lee,

I don’t consider what you’re doing to be folly. I just put my energy out, that’s all.

One of the major stumbling blocks I went through was to let go of the simplistic catholic teachings that encouraged me to accept how things were and to seek peace of mind through a simple connection to Christ, along a few guidelines which generally played on guilt that I should be grateful for what I had. THANKS BE TO GOD I GOT RID OF THAT CROCK OF SHIT IN MY LIFE! Hence, I was very excited when I didn’t find Krisnamurti – I found myself!

So when I read what you write it reminds me of the religious teachings, Catholic included, that close the doors to many other possibilities based on the idea that it is right. Because you have not experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Think of me as spiritually immature if you wish but I am, in my opinion, a very, very blessed man. In the words of Karma, I have watched my Karma from this life burn and leave me and also Karma from my past life which I have relived through eboga. I am measurably a far different man whose experience of life is utterly transformed. I am someone who feels in a way I have not since I was a child.

So forgive me if I chose to stick to the path I am on. If I were to take your advice I would only have myself to blame.

You clearly do not subscribe to the view that life is for developing the soul through the experiences we have and need to resolve and understand. I do and this is fundamental to my experience.

A question: why is the idea that we have a path and work to do on that path to grow our own souls so alien to you? I am asking the question for the gut response and not the intellectual one. Is it something to do with your own catholic upbringing?

Well, I’m anglo-iranian but was brought up good old C of E protestant.

I very much believe that when we clear the ego we move onwards spiritually and so I guess I would have to say that I find your views possibly dangerous as they discourage the kind of work that can bring results. If someone has the choice to do the work with a strong chance to move towards inner peace, is it right to encourage them to seek a simple answer that quite possibly will keep them in their shit for a lifetime? I say this because the simple spiritual answers didn’t work for me or for many others. YET, the answers themselves are always simple. THAT is the point of simplicity I subscribe to and illustrates my point that: yes it is simple but yes it is not that simple. It actually doesn’t matter what system you use as long as you get where you are going…a car, a plane, a train, a bicycle….

It’s a good point. I do training at the Humaniversity in Holland where they are constantly battling to keep people moving towards more feeling when their mind is attracted to saying “Everything is alright as it is.” There’s no easy way out of the position. It’s just part of the whole drama of existence. Existence grows you, what to do?

Where I disagree:

1. “Whether you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind, there’s nothing to relate it to.”

I think souls are spiritually differentiated and we experience the spiritual realms via our soul, i.e. “NO MIND”, as interconnected spiritual phenomena.

I’m not creating the distinction soul/not soul, just pointing toward what is existential true – (hideous word I know, existential! Makes things sound complicated) What is beyond all distinctions?

Whilst you are relating to the world from the perspective Ego/not ego (I/not I) then therapy is easy because it makes total sense to “improve yourself”. With the onset of a different perspective so the challenges get stronger because there is always the option to deal with the existential truth that nothing changes, as that is also your experienced reality. You also can’t play small any longer, you can’t hide behind the facade of “little me”, this little being in a vast sea, because there is also the awareness that you experientially are the vast sea. Life for the mind gets harder because it is constantly confronted with two opposing perspectives. I read what you write about spirituality and souls etc and part of me longs to be going back to such a singular perspective. But the truth is that it’s no longer my reality. I don’t have a choice to take a spiritual path because I already know there’s nowhere it could possibly lead to. Frankly, it’s a fucking drag half the time, but that’s how things are for me.

with love

Nick

2. “The only “spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.”

Not my personal experience but it is the experience of many. In my experiences with eboga I am continually (these days with a cleaner ego) surrounded and helped by spirits and I see them as not I – yet we are one at a deeper level of spiritual insight. I feel a great love and respect for them. That is my experience. I see souls as separate entities that are also utterly connected.

That is what makes for the greatness of “GOD” as it can have so many separate parts that are at the same time “ONE.” Contrast this with planet earth that has so many individuals who are unable to work for the good of one another and most certainly do not act as ONE!

So is there any basis upon which we can discuss when our views appear to be so different? I guess we agree on some things:

1. “We are the source.”

Yes, if you consider what source has transformed into to be another form of source.

2. “Everything that can be related is relative.”

Yes, if by that you mean that everything is interconnected.

3. “With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.”

Yes, I have a lot more of it now because of the work I have done with eboga. And because I have  recognised my humanity and how it works the doors are now opening to a higher state of mind. This is the work you seem to have difficulty accepting as necessary. I think this is the crux of your debate – you dislike any system of thought that leaves you with something to do.

4. “My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is. They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be anything other than 100% who you are.”

Yes, and through the work we learn this but first we need to learn the reasons behind the blockage and in doing so the blockage falls away and we grow spiritually to be a differentiated soul that fully participates in the whole which then makes the whole greater: GOD GROWS.

Conclusion: Perhaps we are talking about two ends of the same stick?

I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with a healing system based on eboga that consists of understanding how the ego works and the spiritual happenings that take place on the way towards healing the soul and ego, IF, in the end it works and leads to a state of “NO MIND” as you call it. I find an understanding of the ego extremely useful as I can use that understanding to progress much more quickly and let go of what I used along the way.

It reminds me of the story of 2 Buddhist monks crossing a stream. A woman needed help and one of the monks carried her across. After walking some way the other who was irritated by this said: “You are unclean. You touched that woman!” He replied: “I left that woman behind a long time ago but you are still carrying her.”

Love & Light,

Lee

P.S. Thanks for the spiritual sojourn!

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
> I hit send on my TV
> internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
> this one “brief.”
>

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

> In the same way there is probably a unifying field
> theory that
> explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
> there is also
> a source from which all comes and through the power of
> creation,
> which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
> created.
>

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

> If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
> what has derived
> from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
>

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

> I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
> spiritual and work to
> integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
> enourages ignorance of one
> or the other.
>

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

> I have a question for you:
>
> Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
> through the eboga
> spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
> they be ignored or is
> a certain amount of gratiude in order?
>

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
“spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick

> A Happy New Year to you
>
> Lee
>
>
> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
> > Hell – att Jasen
> >
> >
> > Hi Jasen,
> >
> > Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
> > but I am sorry, I dont
> > think it is that simple.
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
> > insanely simple. I was in the
> > Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
>
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From: “Iboga_planteur” <iboga_planteur@yahoo.fr>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick
Date: December 31, 2004 at 12:21:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Krishnamurti was against the use of any drugs, what do you think he would have thought about Eboka?
Thanks!
Planteur
—–Message d’origine—–
De : Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Envoyé : vendredi 31 décembre 2004 15:48
À : ibogaine@mindvox.com
Objet : RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick

Hi Nick,

I think you are right about the TV trying to help me but not in the way you think J

Krisnamurti argued that we should not accept anybody’s beliefs etc. That we should find out things for ourselves and hence I have lived my life by this dictum: What is, is what is not. So I know you will understand that while I am happy to be challenged by your views there is no way I am going to depart from a path I have spent a life time finding, which has transformed my life remarkably, simply because you may consider it a folly of sorts.

One of the major stumbling blocks I went through was to let go of the simplistic catholic teachings that encouraged me to accept how things were and to seek peace of mind through a simple connection to Christ, along a few guidelines which generally played on guilt that I should be grateful for what I had. THANKS BE TO GOD I GOT RID OF THAT CROCK OF SHIT IN MY LIFE! Hence, I was very excited when I didn’t find Krisnamurti – I found myself!

So when I read what you write it reminds me of the religious teachings, Catholic included, that close the doors to many other possibilities based on the idea that it is right. Because you have not experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Think of me as spiritually immature if you wish but I am, in my opinion, a very, very blessed man. In the words of Karma, I have watched my Karma from this life burn and leave me and also Karma from my past life which I have relived through eboga. I am measurably a far different man whose experience of life is utterly transformed. I am someone who feels in a way I have not since I was a child.

So forgive me if I chose to stick to the path I am on. If I were to take your advice I would only have myself to blame.

You clearly do not subscribe to the view that life is for developing the soul through the experiences we have and need to resolve and understand. I do and this is fundamental to my experience.

A question: why is the idea that we have a path and work to do on that path to grow our own souls so alien to you? I am asking the question for the gut response and not the intellectual one. Is it something to do with your own catholic upbringing?

I very much believe that when we clear the ego we move onwards spiritually and so I guess I would have to say that I find your views possibly dangerous as they discourage the kind of work that can bring results. If someone has the choice to do the work with a strong chance to move towards inner peace, is it right to encourage them to seek a simple answer that quite possibly will keep them in their shit for a lifetime? I say this because the simple spiritual answers didn’t work for me or for many others. YET, the answers themselves are always simple. THAT is the point of simplicity I subscribe to and illustrates my point that: yes it is simple but yes it is not that simple. It actually doesn’t matter what system you use as long as you get where you are going…a car, a plane, a train, a bicycle….

Where I disagree:

1. “Whether you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind, there’s nothing to relate it to.”

I think souls are spiritually differentiated and we experience the spiritual realms via our soul, i.e. “NO MIND”, as interconnected spiritual phenomena.

2. “The only “spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.”

Not my personal experience but it is the experience of many. In my experiences with eboga I am continually (these days with a cleaner ego) surrounded and helped by spirits and I see them as not I – yet we are one at a deeper level of spiritual insight. I feel a great love and respect for them. That is my experience. I see souls as separate entities that are also utterly connected.

That is what makes for the greatness of “GOD” as it can have so many separate parts that are at the same time “ONE.” Contrast this with planet earth that has so many individuals who are unable to work for the good of one another and most certainly do not act as ONE!

So is there any basis upon which we can discuss when our views appear to be so different? I guess we agree on some things:

1. “We are the source.”

Yes, if you consider what source has transformed into to be another form of source.

2. “Everything that can be related is relative.”

Yes, if by that you mean that everything is interconnected.

3. “With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.”

Yes, I have a lot more of it now because of the work I have done with eboga. And because I have  recognised my humanity and how it works the doors are now opening to a higher state of mind. This is the work you seem to have difficulty accepting as necessary. I think this is the crux of your debate – you dislike any system of thought that leaves you with something to do.

4. “My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is. They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be anything other than 100% who you are.”

Yes, and through the work we learn this but first we need to learn the reasons behind the blockage and in doing so the blockage falls away and we grow spiritually to be a differentiated soul that fully participates in the whole which then makes the whole greater: GOD GROWS.

Conclusion: Perhaps we are talking about two ends of the same stick?

I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with a healing system based on eboga that consists of understanding how the ego works and the spiritual happenings that take place on the way towards healing the soul and ego, IF, in the end it works and leads to a state of “NO MIND” as you call it. I find an understanding of the ego extremely useful as I can use that understanding to progress much more quickly and let go of what I used along the way.

It reminds me of the story of 2 Buddhist monks crossing a stream. A woman needed help and one of the monks carried her across. After walking some way the other who was irritated by this said: “You are unclean. You touched that woman!” He replied: “I left that woman behind a long time ago but you are still carrying her.”

Love & Light,

Lee

P.S. Thanks for the spiritual sojourn!

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
> I hit send on my TV
> internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
> this one “brief.”
>

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

> In the same way there is probably a unifying field
> theory that
> explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
> there is also
> a source from which all comes and through the power of
> creation,
> which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
> created.
>

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

> If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
> what has derived
> from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
>

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

> I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
> spiritual and work to
> integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
> enourages ignorance of one
> or the other.
>

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

> I have a question for you:
>
> Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
> through the eboga
> spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
> they be ignored or is
> a certain amount of gratiude in order?
>

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
“spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick

> A Happy New Year to you
>
> Lee
>
>
> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
> > Hell – att Jasen
> >
> >
> > Hi Jasen,
> >
> > Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
> > but I am sorry, I dont
> > think it is that simple.
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
> > insanely simple. I was in the
> > Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
>
>
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From: “Charles Rossouw” <kabel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 31, 2004 at 11:47:41 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Man

TV was never banned in South Africa.  The government of the time was just too short-sighted to create the facilities to broadcast.

I was a kid in high school when the first broadcasts took place in South Africa, and the reason given at the time was that TV would be too expensive to do.  That at a time when our neighbour, Zimbabwe had it for many years. Now if you look at Zimbabwe these days and compare with SA – what a difference! (not that I think TV had anything to do with the current wave of greed, nepotism and the likes).

I agree about the then SA policies being wrong, but thought I had to set the picture right.  A lot of atrocities apparently happened, but TV was not one of them (to my knowledge the cost of setting up was the key issue, and my dad was in the know, being a member of the “Broederbond”, loosely translated as “band of brothers”, with the sole purpose of putting white afrikaner men in key positions to further the cause of apartheid.)  In the early 80’s the Broederbond seemed to undergo a metamorphosis and the accent fell on cultural issues rather than skin colour issues.

However, I hope I have not offended in any way, and wish all you guys (including the female parts) a very good 2005.

Charles Rossouw.
Pretoria – also known as Moustache City (Snor city in our local lingo)

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:10 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

>Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.<

To which I reply, with all the love I can send, I swear- are you really going to use this to bolster some kind of argument that tv causes violence using South Africa’s banning of tv “until 1975” and their subsequent “low” white violence rates? LOL! That is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a while.
I never thought South Africa’s apartied policies could be considered funny in any way, but this “study” has certainly come very, very close to making South Africa’s apartied funny, in that I want to know: if Apartied is considered “violence,” and I myself do consider it so, and if tv was banned there, why the apartied?
Better, I want to know if the study’s authors released this with a straight face.
;-))
Also, I did see just tonight as a matter of fact, something on History Channel about the fact that during the Korean war military researchers decided that not enough US troops were “shooting to kill,” and that was because they were being trained on paper targets instead of life-like dummies that looked more human. With that in mind, I could see how playing videogames where we shoot life-like people could be incorporated into that same theory, that by training to do so it might increase shoot-to-kill rates in real battle. But I still doubt that it’s the videogames making kids violent, or that kids are more violent today than in days or yore. There are all sorts of horror stories, not to mention all out wars, too many of both throughout history for me to believe it. Sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

> ah
> yes, back in MY day……
> Lol
> Kirk
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
> I love these games.
> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
> Doom
> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
> least
> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

> my
>
> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
> firearms,
>
> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
> year I
>
> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
> which
>
> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids > who
> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
> firearms),
>
> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
> today’s
> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother > and
I
> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
> our
> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
> ‘rents
> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
> practice
>
> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on > foreign
> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
> on
> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
> (are
> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
>
>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>> he said.
>>
>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
>> from
>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>
>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>> called
>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>
>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>> Grossman,
>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>> investigate
>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>
>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>> never
>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to >> trained
>> army
>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
>> who
>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>> children
>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
>> real
>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>
>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>> video
>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>> increases
>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>> Great
>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye >> type
>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
>> to
>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>
>> God blees
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>
>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> sea…
>>>
>>> —
>>> ”
>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> hazy moon.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> sprinting inland.”
>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> across Asia.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> Ball.
>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> more than a decade.
>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> an actual battlefield.
>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>
>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> environment.
>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> fist fires cannons.
>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>
>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> walking by.”
>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> stars stabilize.
>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> them in detail.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject Getting ancient
Date: December 31, 2004 at 11:28:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for your E-mail Vector I was just releasing my cave man anger 🙂
You are right I am getting older 🙂 even worst I am getting ancient…

I remember reading an ancient Grec philosopher complaining of the change
happening in the new generation and missing the good all time 🙂  I love
and use the I-ching ( the Book of Change )and they allways refers to an
ancient time when the world was perfect. Probably refering at more than
6.000 years BC when the first village where created around a wellspring.I
had the luck to live one year in the bush in Madagascar in small villages
like the ones  described in the “book of change ”
. This was actualy the best year of my life.No tv , no radio, no news, no
noise, no shoes, no stress but a lot of friendship and laughter 🙂

Here some sentences from the I-Ching

About creativity :
Creativity comes from awakening and directing men’s higher natures, which
originate in the primal depths of the uni- verse and are appointed by
Heaven.

About perseverance
One should act in consonance with the way of heaven and earth, which is
enduring and eternal. The superior man perseveres long in his course, adapts
to the times, but remains firm in his direction and correct in his goals.

Advice ( are they talking about addiction and recovery  !/? )
Great effort is required to arrest decay and restore vigor. One must
exercise proper deliberation, plan carefully before making a move, and be
alert in guarding against relapse following a renaissance.

Hermit
The hermit doesn’t sleep at night, in love with the blue of the vacant moon.
The cool of the breeze that rustles the trees rustles him too.
God Bless and a very happy new year !!
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence

Francis I love reading your messages and most of the time I don’t have
any kind of reply to what you say but I enjoy reading it. In this one
message I think I can offer you a simple answer that I’m sure your son
with his vibrating razor will agree with. Maybe your just getting
older, older not old! 🙂 If you ever had the chance to talk to your dad
when you were growing up I’m sure he would have had the same thoughts
about the age you were growing up in and how things had change.

I don’t think anyone knows where they’re going, we are always going
there faster and everything keeps getting worse. That’s the same as
it’s ever been and some of it worries me and makes me think there will
be no future world, but cellphones, wireless and vibrating appliances
have never been anything I have thought about. Didn’t we always have
those? 😉

Happy new year!

.:vector:.
— The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi randy !
You are right : ” mankind keeps evolving faster and faster ”
.Maybee is what’s bothered me.
I am here with my simple reptilian brain, seeking pleasure mind,
wishing to get laid type of cave man brain, wondering how ro feed my

tribe type of man.
And I am discovering on my brand new ,already obsolete desktop
computer, that rich countries can now ,do micro surgical
bombing from
30.000 feets on civil populations.This world is going to fast for me
🙂
People work double time to buy speedy cars, fast micowave, wireless

phone that are suppose to save them time !! What’s the point of going

fast if we don’t know where we are going ?/! For me this is a
dis-ease,
and evil one because we don’t now we have it :-).
My son bought a hand razor with several blades like the old one he
had
from last year, but this one vibrate.. Everything have to vibrate
now,
the freaking materass, the beeper, the pager, the speakers, the
dildo
and the phone. Soon we will have freaking pans and pots that will
vibrate. I hopes I will be dead before I have to cook in the next
generation kitchen.!!
God Bless
Francis

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence

Francis, you make some very good points in that post. There have been

alot of cultural changes since the 50’s when TV got into households
everywhere. That has to be taken into consideration when looking at
this. Sure TV has made a difference in the violence quota but it’s
made
a difference in sex and drugs and everything else too. Mankind keeps
evolving faster and faster and I hope that as we evolve we learn how
to
get where we want to go without hurting each other. Randy

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Belief Systems: The Path of Eboga – Att. Nick
Date: December 31, 2004 at 9:47:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick,

I think you are right about the TV trying to help me but not in the way you think J

Krisnamurti argued that we should not accept anybody’s beliefs etc. That we should find out things for ourselves and hence I have lived my life by this dictum: What is, is what is not. So I know you will understand that while I am happy to be challenged by your views there is no way I am going to depart from a path I have spent a life time finding, which has transformed my life remarkably, simply because you may consider it a folly of sorts.

One of the major stumbling blocks I went through was to let go of the simplistic catholic teachings that encouraged me to accept how things were and to seek peace of mind through a simple connection to Christ, along a few guidelines which generally played on guilt that I should be grateful for what I had. THANKS BE TO GOD I GOT RID OF THAT CROCK OF SHIT IN MY LIFE! Hence, I was very excited when I didn’t find Krisnamurti – I found myself!

So when I read what you write it reminds me of the religious teachings, Catholic included, that close the doors to many other possibilities based on the idea that it is right. Because you have not experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Think of me as spiritually immature if you wish but I am, in my opinion, a very, very blessed man. In the words of Karma, I have watched my Karma from this life burn and leave me and also Karma from my past life which I have relived through eboga. I am measurably a far different man whose experience of life is utterly transformed. I am someone who feels in a way I have not since I was a child.

So forgive me if I chose to stick to the path I am on. If I were to take your advice I would only have myself to blame.

You clearly do not subscribe to the view that life is for developing the soul through the experiences we have and need to resolve and understand. I do and this is fundamental to my experience.

A question: why is the idea that we have a path and work to do on that path to grow our own souls so alien to you? I am asking the question for the gut response and not the intellectual one. Is it something to do with your own catholic upbringing?

I very much believe that when we clear the ego we move onwards spiritually and so I guess I would have to say that I find your views possibly dangerous as they discourage the kind of work that can bring results. If someone has the choice to do the work with a strong chance to move towards inner peace, is it right to encourage them to seek a simple answer that quite possibly will keep them in their shit for a lifetime? I say this because the simple spiritual answers didn’t work for me or for many others. YET, the answers themselves are always simple. THAT is the point of simplicity I subscribe to and illustrates my point that: yes it is simple but yes it is not that simple. It actually doesn’t matter what system you use as long as you get where you are going…a car, a plane, a train, a bicycle….

Where I disagree:

1. “Whether you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind, there’s nothing to relate it to.”

I think souls are spiritually differentiated and we experience the spiritual realms via our soul, i.e. “NO MIND”, as interconnected spiritual phenomena.

2. “The only “spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.”

Not my personal experience but it is the experience of many. In my experiences with eboga I am continually (these days with a cleaner ego) surrounded and helped by spirits and I see them as not I – yet we are one at a deeper level of spiritual insight. I feel a great love and respect for them. That is my experience. I see souls as separate entities that are also utterly connected.

That is what makes for the greatness of “GOD” as it can have so many separate parts that are at the same time “ONE.” Contrast this with planet earth that has so many individuals who are unable to work for the good of one another and most certainly do not act as ONE!

So is there any basis upon which we can discuss when our views appear to be so different? I guess we agree on some things:

1. “We are the source.”

Yes, if you consider what source has transformed into to be another form of source.

2. “Everything that can be related is relative.”

Yes, if by that you mean that everything is interconnected.

3. “With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.”

Yes, I have a lot more of it now because of the work I have done with eboga. And because I have  recognised my humanity and how it works the doors are now opening to a higher state of mind. This is the work you seem to have difficulty accepting as necessary. I think this is the crux of your debate – you dislike any system of thought that leaves you with something to do.

4. “My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is. They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be anything other than 100% who you are.”

Yes, and through the work we learn this but first we need to learn the reasons behind the blockage and in doing so the blockage falls away and we grow spiritually to be a differentiated soul that fully participates in the whole which then makes the whole greater: GOD GROWS.

Conclusion: Perhaps we are talking about two ends of the same stick?

I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with a healing system based on eboga that consists of understanding how the ego works and the spiritual happenings that take place on the way towards healing the soul and ego, IF, in the end it works and leads to a state of “NO MIND” as you call it. I find an understanding of the ego extremely useful as I can use that understanding to progress much more quickly and let go of what I used along the way.

It reminds me of the story of 2 Buddhist monks crossing a stream. A woman needed help and one of the monks carried her across. After walking some way the other who was irritated by this said: “You are unclean. You touched that woman!” He replied: “I left that woman behind a long time ago but you are still carrying her.”

Love & Light,

Lee

P.S. Thanks for the spiritual sojourn!

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
> I hit send on my TV
> internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
> this one “brief.”
>

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

> In the same way there is probably a unifying field
> theory that
> explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
> there is also
> a source from which all comes and through the power of
> creation,
> which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
> created.
>

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

> If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
> what has derived
> from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
>

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

> I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
> spiritual and work to
> integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
> enourages ignorance of one
> or the other.
>

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

> I have a question for you:
>
> Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
> through the eboga
> spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
> they be ignored or is
> a certain amount of gratiude in order?
>

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
“spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick

> A Happy New Year to you
>
> Lee
>
>
> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
> > Hell – att Jasen
> >
> >
> > Hi Jasen,
> >
> > Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
> > but I am sorry, I dont
> > think it is that simple.
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
> > insanely simple. I was in the
> > Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
>
>
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy American Technology Corp info
Date: December 31, 2004 at 7:34:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, president@bcmarijuanaparty.ca
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dave,

You are entitled to do or say (or not) anything you like.Much of what you say I agree with, I don’t care for commercial stuff, advertising, SPAM, junk mail, knock-knock…

My intent with ATCO is to give people opportunity where there is none. There is absolutely nothing I can do to save the world from consumption and consumerism or anything else by not buying ATCO, it won’t change a thing, those things will all happen anyway if they are to happen, but I can do something by buying it. What I can do is provide opportunity, perhaps collectively we can do something major with this knowledge, perhaps someone with financial means like Marc Emory can fork over a million or two to buy ATCO stock, and in a few years, have enough for IBOGAINE CLINICAL TRIALS, or whatever. I have my own ideas with what I do I don’t care to discuss on a public list. It isn’t greed on my partI do however need to take care of myself and am disabled, I trade stocks, I looked for “THE BIG ONE” and I found ATCO and yes, I am certain.

ATCO is very likely to return hundreds to thousands of times its value. If you want or don’t want that is fine, but I really do mean, this is “THE BIG ONE”, the stock of the decade… I put a lot of time and effort to find this, this was years in the. If people need money, organizations need money, whatever they invest should be returned many times over (10, 100X 1000X… in time of course).

It already started to happen, I look at as an opportunity, a great opportunity for a person to get themselves together, maybe pay for medical care they need, maybe a car or house, put the kids through college, retire, do clinical trials on ibogaine, support the legalization of marijuana and other drugs with Billions of dollars from ATCO. I would love to see ATCO a cult stock, to fight the things that are wrong in the world. I see the good, a chance to make a different future for the world, or at least a much larger piece of the world that I can touch. The stock is real, the products are real, this isn’t a scam, the contracts are happening, I know all the details, no, nothing is going to go wrong… yes you can bet the farm on it – but it is your money so you need to read for yourself,  atcsd.com is the company web site woodynorris.com is the founders site.  Make no mistake, this is the stuff that can make dreams come true.

See press release below

Brett

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/041229/295055_1.html

American Technology Forecasts over $4 Million in Revenues for Quarter Ending December 31, 2004
Wednesday December 29, 8:30 am ET

Company Also Reports Record Revenue for Fiscal 2004

SAN DIEGO–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Dec. 29, 2004–American Technology Corporation (ATC) (Nasdaq:ATCO – News), an innovator of proprietary sound reproduction technologies, today forecast record quarterly revenues in excess of $4 million for the quarter ending December 31, 2004. The company also reported record revenues for its fiscal year 2004, ended September 30, 2004. Revenues for fiscal 2004 were $5.8 million compared to $1.3 million in fiscal 2003, an increase of 337%. The company’s Government/Force Protection Group and Business Group generated revenues of $4.8 million and $0.9 million, respectively, in the fiscal year.
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The company reported a gross profit of $2.3 million for the fiscal year compared to a gross loss of $0.2 million for fiscal 2003. The company also reported a net loss of $6 million for fiscal 2004 reduced from a net loss of $8.2 million in fiscal 2003. Net loss attributable to common stockholders after deducting non-cash dividends on preferred stock was $(0.37) per share compared to $(0.67) per share last fiscal year.
MANAGEMENT COMMENTARY
“In fiscal 2004 we established the markets and organizational foundation to position our proprietary sound reproduction technologies at the forefront of audio industry innovation with products primed to produce rapid revenue growth,” said Elwood G. Norris, chairman of American Technology Corporation. “Our LRAD(TM) devices are becoming The Sound of Force Protection(TM) for an increasing number of military, government and commercial applications. And, after several years of development, we believe our HSSŽ technology is ready to realize its commercial promise as the most revolutionary audio development since the invention of the loudspeaker.”
“This year, we augmented the ATC team, successfully introduced new products, focused our sales and marketing efforts, outsourced manufacturing to enable rapid response to anticipated volume orders, and achieved record revenues,” remarked Kalani Jones, president and COO of ATC. “We have made substantial progress on our digital signage business programs and we are pleased with the responses we are receiving from our HSS Gen III deliveries to digital signage customers in Asia, Europe and North America. As we have previously stated, the structure of the larger digital signage programs in which we are engaged are complex, involve several partners, and generally require in-depth trials through multiple test installations. With the digital signage market expected to grow to over $5 billion in the next three to four years, we believe HSS is well positioned to be the audio solution for a number of major near-term programs. The programs contemplated each have the potential to generate $1 – $14 million dollars in revenue to ATC over the next three to twenty-four months.”
Commenting on the increasing success of ATC’s proprietary LRAD devices, Carl Gruenler, vice president of ATC’s government and force protection systems, said, “This year, through intense marketing efforts, successful product deployments in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the expansion of our product line to address the challenge of protecting infrastructure, our LRAD made great progress in becoming The Sound of Force Protection(TM). LRAD systems are currently being deployed in maritime, checkpoint, vehicular, airborne, and integrated system applications by the U.S. Army (click http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html to read our December 15 press release announcing our $4.9 million U.S. Army order), U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard, and other agencies for waterside force protection, area denial, crowd control, clearing buildings, and psychological ops missions. Operational feedback from deployment in Iraq and other parts of the world has been highly favorable. LRAD also supports applications for the Department of Homeland Security, law enforcement agencies and customers who need to protect critical high-value infrastructure such as buildings, bridges, tunnels, dams, power plants, pipelines, airports, seaports, communications towers, and oil platforms.”
Gruenler continued, “We believe we are becoming the pre-eminent acoustic provider for force and commercial asset protection, and next generation intelligibility sound systems by providing governments, agencies, and companies with our LRAD, NeoPlanarŽ, and SoundCluster(TM) technologies. Based on market response, product acceptance, and increasing business opportunities, we expect continued growth in fiscal 2005. Our early research indicates a global market potential of well over $1 billion for hailing and warning systems, acoustic non-lethal weapons capabilities, indoor and outdoor public address/emergency response systems and custom engineered sound solutions for acoustic challenges for both government and industry, both at home and abroad. We intend to be a major force in these emerging markets this year and for years to come.”
Commenting on ATC’s financial resources, Kalani Jones said, “The $25 million committed equity financing facility (CEFF) from Kingsbridge Capital announced December 15 (click http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04B.html for the release), and the recent closing of a $2 million two-year note financing, provide ATC the financial flexibility to accept and fill further expected large military and commercial LRAD orders.”
Jones concluded, “We are very excited about our business and technology prospects in the coming year. In fiscal 2005, we will continue to build on the foundation of 2004 with our aggressive strategy of Shaping the Future of SoundŽ.”
HIGHLIGHTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR FISCAL AND CALENDAR 2004
• Announced Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) is becoming increasingly sought after by military and government agencies for a range of applications and missions because of its ability to effectively communicate over long distances, influence behavior and determine intent.
• Expanded ATC Government Group staff to represent our products directly to the market rather than through licensing and reseller agreements.
• Awarded $1.1 million contract to deliver LRADs(TM) to U.S. Marine Corps Units for missions in and around Fallujah, Iraq.
• Promoted Kalani Jones to president.
• Completed and delivered NeoPlanarŽ speakers for a major Las Vegas venue.
• Awarded contract to deliver LRAD devices to a U.S. Army Stryker unit for use in missions in and around Mosul, Iraq.
• Awarded three contracts to deliver LRAD devices to the U.S. Navy 5th Fleet for use in and around the Basra, Iraq fueling terminal.
• Completed and delivered LRAD remotely operated pan/tilt units with integrated camera to Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane for the warship integrated force protection system.
• Awarded contract for a prototype aircraft carrier flight deck speaker system (SoundCluster) for the USS Stennis. SoundCluster is being evaluated by the U.S. Navy to be a permanent replacement for their aging 5MC flight deck sound system.
• Completed key NeoPlanarŽ projects on the shipyard waterfront for the Supervisor of Shipbuilding, Bath, Maine, and inside the new construction aircraft hangar at Naval Air Station Brunswick, Maine for the Naval Facilities Command.
• Launched a Government Group initiative to explore new product concepts and market opportunities.
• Showcased HSS at Wired Nextfest.2004.
• Held successful showing of HSS at InfoComm2004, the largest professional audio/visual trade show in the U.S.
• Announced manufacturing partner, Pemstar Inc.
• Hired Michael A. Russell as chief financial officer.
• Showcased HSS-enabled displays at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions.
• Initiated worldwide deliveries of Pemstar-manufactured HSS Gen III devices.
• Showcased HSS in digital signage applications at the initial Digital Retailing Expo Trade Show and Executive Summit.
• Awarded first major commercial LRAD contract by a well-known maritime industry company.
• Continued strong investment in strategic product development with a 20% increase in research and development expenditures to $3 million.
• Announced record fiscal 2004 revenues.
• Secured $25 million financing commitment from Kingsbridge Capital.
• Closed $2 million two-year note financing.
• Announced $4.9 million LRAD order from the U.S. Army
About American Technology Corporation
American Technology Corporation is Shaping the Future of SoundŽ by developing, manufacturing and globally distributing its proprietary sound technologies and products which include: the award-winning HSSŽ (HyperSonicŽ Sound technology); LRAD(TM) (Long Range Acoustic Device); NeoPlanarŽ planar magnetic technology and others. The Company is establishing a strong portfolio of patents, trademarks, and intellectual property including over 160 U.S. and foreign patents and patent filings to date. For more information on the company and its technologies and products please visit our web site at www.atcsd.com.
About Non-Executive Compensation
On December 22, 2004, we granted inducement stock options to certain of our new employees. These options were granted without stockholder approval to 6 new non-executive employees as an inducement material to the individuals’ entering into employment with our company, and the issuances were approved by our Compensation Committee pursuant to NASDAQ Marketplace Rule 4350(i)(1)(A)(iv). The options are exercisable for an aggregate of 76,500 shares of common stock with an exercise price of $10.06 per share. Each option has a five year term and, in general, vests 25% on the first anniversary of the grant date and then quarterly thereafter for the next 12 quarters, subject to continued employment and other conditions.
Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Except for historical information contained herein, the matters discussed are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act. You should not place undue reliance on these statements. We base these statements on particular assumptions that we have made in light of our industry experience, the stage of product and market development as well as our perception of historical trends, current market conditions, current economic data, expected future developments and other factors that we believe are appropriate under the circumstances. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those suggested in the forward-looking statements, including but not limited to changes in the sound reproduction industry, the need for market acceptance of our sound reproduction technologies, entry of competitors in the sound reproduction market, the possibility our intellectual property protections will not prevent others from marketing products similar to or competitive with our products, our ability to develop future products which maintain a competitive advantage over competing products, pricing pressures, technology shifts, potential technical or manufacturing difficulties that could delay products, possible government regulations, warranty or other claims, the outcome of pending or future litigation, general economic and political factors which influence buying decisions, and other risks identified and discussed in the our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These forward-looking statements are based on information and management’s expectations as of the date hereof. Future results may differ materially from our current expectations. American Technology Corporation disclaims any intent or obligation to update those forward-looking statements, except as otherwise specifically stated.
AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION
Condensed Statements of Operations
(000’s omitted except per share amounts)

Year Ended Sept. 30,
2004 2003
—- —-
Total revenues $5,753 $1,315
Cost of revenues 3,470 1,544
Gross profit (loss) 2,283 (229)

Operating expenses:
Selling, general and administrative 5,310 4,864
Research and development 2,989 2,493
Other – (25)
Total operating expenses 8,299 7,332

Loss from operations (6,016) (7,561)

Other income (expense):
Interest income 58 23
Interest expense (3) (687)
Other – (2)
Total other income (expense) 55 (666)

Net loss (5,960) (8,227)
Dividend requirements on convertible
preferred stock 1,365 2,409
Net loss available to common stockholders $(7,325) $(10,636)
Net loss per share of common stock – basic
and diluted $(0.37) $(0.67)
Average weighted number of common shares
outstanding 19,603,265 15,857,569

AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION
Condensed Balance Sheets
(000’s omitted except per share amounts)

Sept. 30,
2004 2003
—- —-
ASSETS
Current Assets:
Cash $4,179 $9,850
Accounts Receivable 927 184
Inventories 651 409
Prepaid expenses and other 156 34
Total current assets 5,913 10,477
Equipment, net 453 200
Patents, net 1,279 1,067
Total assets $7,645 $11,744

LIABILITIES AND STOCKHOLDERS’ EQUITY
Current Liabilities:
Accounts payable $1,300 $604
Accrued liabilities 1,129 1,379
Capital lease short-term portion 11 10
Total current liabilities 2,440 1,993
Long-Term Liabilities 12 23
Stockholders’ equity 5,193 9,728
Total liabilities and stockholders’ equity $7,645 $11,744

Contact:
American Technology Corporation
Investor relations:
Robert Putnam, 858-679-3168
robert@atcsd.com
or
Media inquiries:
Don Mathias, 949-855-4520
dwmath@aol.com

 

D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:
General Electric builds nuclear weapons and toasters, among many other
things.

I don’t knowingly buy General Electric Products, and would never invest
in their stock.

If I don’t speak my truth, then, what is truth?

something to hide under the covers?

like some gilded phallic rod? stroke-able only in private?

something to be ashamed of… something to be afraid of?

or something the agenda wants to shove under the carpet?

I’m so excited to be bombarded by targeted sound enticing me to
consume, more.

Walking by a soda machine and having fizzing soda and crackling ice
erupt from within my head. I just can’t fucking wait. There’s already a
storm brewing between my ears. Like I need more voices in my head.

And soon to come… iris recognition sensors that access my credit card
statements and customize in real-time a special commercial message for
me: “Buy some more audio equipment. Or a new FireWire Drive, you are
one block from the Apple store and RAM is on sale today. Or… “There’s
a great Taqueria right around the corner…” Like I need to be
encouraged to eat taco. Mas queso, por favor. Maybe if I blink 3 times
my order will be ready when I reach the counter? right down to the
salsa fresca and 16oz Horchata?

I’m so thrilled to know if I choose to voice my opinion in peaceful
protest that the goon squad can scatter my rights with blood curdling
sound that can destroy my hearing if I don’t submit to the sonic cattle
prod within seconds. Or perhaps at a slightly different frequency my
bowels will loosen beyond control and I’ll be running from the city
park in search of a roll of paper, thoughts of peace and freedom turned
fast into relief of abdominal cramps.

I just can’t fucking wait.

_.dh

On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 02:38 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

>
> “Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are
> being
> used as weapons.”
>
> Too bad so many people are confinced ATCO and its products are somehow
> evil. There is no weapon capability in Neoplanar or SFT – they are
> speakers, just flat, no magnet, no cone, no box, they don’t distort to
> max volume (ie all the way to 1000 watts/133db for Neo and is
> basically a big heavy 20K technology for 1K that is in a ribbon,
> NeoPlanar is most often used for wide area emergency notification.
> They use very very little power for the volume and space they put out,
> they aver very environmentally friendly and durable. HSS is a beam of
> sound, the only weapon it may be is in advertising, great for limiting
> sound to a specific area, it is not a weapon. LRAD is mostly a long
> range communication device, just a very clear long range speaker –
> that the sound “CARRIES” because it is focused and doesn’t bounce all
> over the place, not because it is particularly loud, voice is limited
> to 120db max. The military has plenty of ways to kill or harm people
> and few ways to avoid that, LRAD is one way. So far as I know the
> “warning tone” that could be but is NOT INTENDED TO BE and is NOT
> DESIGNED TO BE and is NOT APPROVED TO BE used as a weapon. Yes
>  would/could put down a prison riot rather instantly and perhaps save
> lives, it could also be used in search and rescue because of its long
> range, it could be used (and is) to ward off small boats at long range
> so going to investigate doesn’t get one blown to bits, small LRADs (or
> Shorter range HIDA based acoustic devices) could have a
> pan/tilt/camera set-up for security – to prevent robberies or people
> getting in an area – it isn’t going ot instantly fry some kind brain
> cell or cause pain – it is just talking, voice, kike “HELLO, PLEASE
> LEAVE THE AREA” and if it is your area, your business, your security,
> wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give them a “warning tone”, or set
> off a high volume NeoPlanar alarm so they leave the area???
>
> Just about anything and everything including the “Good Book.Big Book”
> and the “Name of God” can be and is used for evil or good, sometimes
> both depending on which side you happen to be coming from. I do Reiki
> (healing with hands), a friend of my fiancee thinks it is “The work of
> the Devil”, it is matter of perspective. I don’t mean to rant,
> everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it is 1 capability of 1
> device that will only infrequently be used doesn’t make a companys
> technologies weapons. They are basically next generation/paradigm
> acoustics, it is like saying the guy who invented laser (HSS/LRAD is
> like sound laser) invented a weapon technology or weapon, that might
> be 1 use of the technology – LRAD is again, not intended as a weapon –
> meaning to harm anyone. I wish there was peace and love all over the
> place, but there isn’t. I don’t want to see more poor innocent people
> get hurt by REAL WEAPONS because they are in the wrong place at the
> wrong time and headed in the wrong direction  OR it is really a car
> bomber headed in your direction, that is what LRAD does, communicate.
> Sorry, it isn’t like “gee shucks the company I invested in got the big
> military contract”… that is how a lot of progress in technology and
> medicine is made, it just is and I got in front of seeing ATCO, very
> diliberately.
>
> Brett
>
>
> D H wrote:
>
> Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being
> used as weapons.
>
> _.dh
>
> On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:
>
> > Seasons greetings,
> >
> > I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New
> > Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the
> > financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting
> > for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing
> > research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft
> > of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number,
> > superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI
> > (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I
> > then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me
> > to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or
> > don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that
> > this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in
> 1-2,
> > 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good
> > in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t
> > tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are
> > interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine
> > clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have
> > the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45
> > shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better
> > than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT
> > -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide
> > like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound
> > that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed
> > impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new
> generation
> > of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the
> point)
> > and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but
> > need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and
> > sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing
> on
> > only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some
> > NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft
> > Carrier flight decks.
> >
> > IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number
> of
> > what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company,
> > increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up,
> > eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share
> you
> > own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take
> > long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original
> > price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very,
> > very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on
> > a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to
> the
> > Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a
> long
> > range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something
> > like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just
> > communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point,
> > to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or
> > intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short
> > of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide
> > car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of
> > lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with
> guns,
> > if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes
> > they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe
> > they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it
> > happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good
> and
> > clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a
> > non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a
> > non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the
> > brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is
> > Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the
> > Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did
> > that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so
> > they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the
> > company.
> >
> > Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO
> > is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth
> > hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but
> > starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the
> > stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe
> > of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you
> > want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull
> > back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient
> > and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of
> > swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more
> > likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time.
> > Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.
> >
> > Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of
> anything
> > and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier
> > life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this
> > again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be
> posting
> > this.
> >
> > Brett
> >
> > Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t
> > get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not
> > share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the
> > stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is
> > your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is
> > going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for
> > yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a
> > quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions –
> > even on 100-couple hundred shares.
> >
> > LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30
> > degree beam
> >
> > HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing
> virtual
> > headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging
> advertising
> > product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who
> > wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a
> beam
> > or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a
> > flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till
> it
> > hits something, range is 150 yards
> >
> > NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are
> > using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound,
> > emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run
> > at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a
> > 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!),
> > continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no
> magnets,
> > no distortion…
> >
> > http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm
> >
> > The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing
> > Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147
> Navy
> > ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships).
> > at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in
> > FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5
> > LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is
> only
> > 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they
> > are in fact ATC LRAD’s.
> >
> > New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order
> >
> > http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html
> >
> > Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the
> 7’s
> >
> > http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html
> >
> > ATC reports on growing LRAD business
> >
> > http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html
> >
> > And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board
> >
> > SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY
> > MAINE SMALL BUSINESS
> >
> > American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications
> > Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004
> > Olympics and Operations in Iraq
> > Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
> > Friday, September 3, 2004
> >
> > WASHINGTON, D.C. Ō A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic
> > Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in
> > Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the
> > progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection
> > technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican
> > National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing
> > military operations in the Middle East as additional security
> measures
> > upon U.S. Naval ships.
> >
> > ĪI am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device
> > system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business –
> > particularly as it aids our nationĖs military in their ongoing
> > operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the
> > advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with
> them
> > to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially,
> that
> > will further demonstrate their excellent work,Ķ said Snowe, who is
> > chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.
> >
> > Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed
> > 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit
> > concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining
> the
> > strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves
> > over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement
> of
> > the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to
> > alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a
> > microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost
> > any language.
> >
> > LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East
> > in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who
> > contacted the NavyĖs Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen
> in
> > January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with
> > military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting
> > LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic
> > security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention
> in
> > New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently
> > employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the
> > Queen Mary 2.
> >
> > ĪAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative
> > means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican
> > Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security
> > teams for these national and international events were greatly
> > assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the
> > large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies
> > as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the
> > commercial market,Ķ continued Snowe.
> >
> > American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego,
> > CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology
> > specifically for government and military applications. The concept of
> > using this technology as a force protection tool was originally
> > conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron
> > Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of
> > current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail – 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
>
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>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] early Dole/Nyswander paper
Date: December 31, 2004 at 2:16:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

More than twenty years ago when I was performing literature searches on
ibogaine and opioid and stimulant pharmacology to support proposed ibogaine patents
I obtained a copy of Heroin Addiction – A Metabolic Disease by Drs. Dole and
Nyswander, the developers of methadone maintenance therapy.  The paper
remained in my files unvisited for twenty years when I rediscovered it and provided
it in a brochure presented at the American Association for the Treatment of
Opioid Dependence (AATOD) conference held in Washington, DC in April 2003
<http://www.doraweiner.org/contents.html>.  Most of the papers except for the
Dole/Nyswander paper were presented in electronic form on the Dora Weiner Foundation
web page following the conference.  There was no PDF file of the Dole paper
available and I did not have the knowledge or time to provide such then.   It is
an amazingly original paper and encouraging to any methadone patient who
might read it and to any ibogaine researcher who wished to be accorded the respect
in the ibogaine world that Dole was accorded in the methadone world.

All that being said, Heroin Addiction – A Metabolic Disease is available as a
downloadable PDF file from http://www.doraweiner.org/dole_nyswander_1967.pdf

Howard

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence
Date: December 30, 2004 at 11:54:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Francis I love reading your messages and most of the time I don’t have
any kind of reply to what you say but I enjoy reading it. In this one
message I think I can offer you a simple answer that I’m sure your son
with his vibrating razor will agree with. Maybe your just getting
older, older not old! 🙂 If you ever had the chance to talk to your dad
when you were growing up I’m sure he would have had the same thoughts
about the age you were growing up in and how things had change.

I don’t think anyone knows where they’re going, we are always going
there faster and everything keeps getting worse. That’s the same as
it’s ever been and some of it worries me and makes me think there will
be no future world, but cellphones, wireless and vibrating appliances
have never been anything I have thought about. Didn’t we always have
those? 😉

Happy new year!

.:vector:.
— The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi randy !
You are right : ” mankind keeps evolving faster and faster ”
.Maybee is what’s bothered me.
I am here with my simple reptilian brain, seeking pleasure mind,
wishing to get laid type of cave man brain, wondering how ro feed  my

tribe type of man.
And I am discovering on my brand new ,already obsolete desktop
computer,  that rich countries can now ,do micro surgical
bombing from
30.000 feets on civil populations.This world is going to fast for me
🙂
People work double time to buy speedy cars, fast micowave, wireless

phone that are suppose to save them time !! What’s the point of going

fast if we don’t know where we are going ?/! For me this is a
dis-ease,
and evil one because we don’t now we have it :-).
My son bought a hand razor with several blades like the old one he
had
from last year, but this one vibrate.. Everything have to vibrate
now,
the freaking materass, the beeper, the pager,  the speakers, the
dildo
and the phone. Soon we will have freaking pans and pots that will
vibrate. I hopes I will be dead before I have to cook in the next
generation kitchen.!!
God Bless
Francis

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence

Francis, you make some very good points in that post. There have been

alot of cultural changes since the 50’s when TV got into households
everywhere. That has to be taken into consideration when looking at
this. Sure TV has made a difference in the violence quota but it’s
made
a difference in sex and drugs and everything else too. Mankind keeps
evolving faster and faster and I hope that as we evolve we learn how
to
get where we want to go without hurting each other.      Randy

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Empty sections on mindvox
Date: December 30, 2004 at 11:53:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick! Dogg she’s saying your not being egotistical enough. I
wouldn’t take that from anyone! Where is the media section? Where are
the life size Patrick posters? 😉 Your groupies are being let down, how
could you let that happen? Carla will buy 50 and wallpaper her house
with them.

🙂

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— Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com> wrote:

you still haven’t even filled
out the introduction or added one thing into the media
sections 😉

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com

Introduction and Media are empty 🙂

Reminding you 🙂

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence
Date: December 30, 2004 at 10:56:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi randy !
You are right : ” mankind keeps evolving faster and faster ” .Maybee is what’s bothered me.
I am here with my simple reptilian brain, seeking pleasure mind, wishing to get laid type of cave man brain, wondering how ro feed  my tribe type of man.
And I am discovering on my brand new ,already obsolete desktop computer,  that rich countries can now ,do micro surgical bombing from 30.000 feets on civil populations.This world is going to fast for me 🙂
People work double time to buy speedy cars, fast micowave, wireless phone that are suppose to save them time !! What’s the point of going fast if we don’t know where we are going ?/! For me this is a dis-ease, and evil one because we don’t now we have it :-).
My son bought a hand razor with several blades like the old one he had  from last year, but this one vibrate.. Everything have to vibrate now, the freaking materass, the beeper, the pager,  the speakers, the dildo and the phone. Soon we will have freaking pans and pots that will vibrate. I hopes I will be dead before I have to cook in the next generation kitchen.!!
God Bless
Francis

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence

Francis, you make some very good points in that post. There have been alot of cultural changes since the 50’s when TV got into households everywhere. That has to be taken into consideration when looking at this. Sure TV has made a difference in the violence quota but it’s made a difference in sex and drugs and everything else too. Mankind keeps evolving faster and faster and I hope that as we evolve we learn how to get where we want to go without hurting each other.      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence
Date: December 30, 2004 at 4:23:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Francis, you make some very good points in that post. There have been alot of cultural changes since the 50’s when TV got into households everywhere. That has to be taken into consideration when looking at this. Sure TV has made a difference in the violence quota but it’s made a difference in sex and drugs and everything else too. Mankind keeps evolving faster and faster and I hope that as we evolve we learn how to get where we want to go without hurting each other.      Randy

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 30, 2004 at 4:13:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen

Hi Nick,

I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
I hit send on my TV
internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
this one “brief.”

Hi Lee,

Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!

In the same way there is probably a unifying field
theory that
explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
there is also
a source from which all comes and through the power of
creation,
which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
created.

there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn’t need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.

If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
what has derived
from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.

we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you’re experiencing a lot of source, or not, you’ve no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can’t be known with the mind,
there’s nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.

With Osho we call it “no mind.” If you’ve got a lot of it mostly you’re
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.

I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
spiritual and work to
integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
enourages ignorance of one
or the other.

My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that’s having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don’t do anything because there’s no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.

I have a question for you:

Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
through the eboga
spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
they be ignored or is
a certain amount of gratiude in order?

Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
“spiritual helper” I’ve encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I’ve had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they’ve all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.

with love

Nick

A Happy New Year to you

Lee

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
Hell – att Jasen

Hi Jasen,

Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
but I am sorry, I dont
think it is that simple.

Lee,

The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
insanely simple. I was in the
Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] the Sound of Love
Date: December 30, 2004 at 2:32:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

kinda spooky, too.

On Thursday, December 30, 2004, at 12:39 AM, knowone knowwhere wrote:

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Out of subject TV and violence
Date: December 30, 2004 at 12:50:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy !!
I absolutly agree man. I spent many years in Swiss and in each household they have weapons, assault weapons.
The crime rate is very low. The cultural background is very different there. and you right, they have a good medical care, and the community is taking care of the weak and poor.That make a big difference.Regarding pot :the past few years, you could grow your own pot , sell or smoke it.
They  changed the law this year;

<snip>An important factor influencing the changing position was a paper of the Swiss Teachers’ Association. They warned that the situation in the schools had changed dramatically due to the increasing marihuana smoking of the students. Teaching became increasingly more difficult because of behaviour problems. This Teachers’ Association, which some years before had welcomed the proposal for the new law, have now realised the sorrowing consequences of false tolerance and warned that schools are not detoxification and recovery facilities for dizzy students.<snip>

Heroin Assisted Treatment (HAT) is still going on in Switzerland with about 1200 addicts in these, mostly, lifelong programs. The number of patients has stabilised. The average age of the patients involved is 38.5; the oldest patient is 55 years old.
There are facilities for heroin assisted treatment in 6 cities all over the country. Additionally 18 000 addicts are in methadone programs.
The program is working with very good results.

Regarding TV and violence  :a picture is worth a1000….

The crime rate start to kick about 10 to fifteen years after the introduction of TV . In the States, in Canada and in South Africa.Not immediatly….
Now for the medical views on TV and violence :

JAMA, June 10, 1992–Vol 267, No. 22
http://www.cursor.org/stories/television_and_violence.htm
God Bless
francis

Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

Preston, I’m glad you brought that up about South Africa because I was reading that report and thought the same thing. They didn’t allow TV or a lot of stuff until 75 including voting and a reasonable way of life. Does anyone really think that the South African government really cared how many murders happened to innocent black people there? As for Canada having guns around the household with less violent crime that’s easy. They can smoke pot when they want to, have better medical care and the junkies can get Ibogaine when they need it and are smart enough to find it. What have they got to be pissed off about? I’ve got guns and I haven’t shot anybody for well over a week now. HeHe         Randy

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] guns/violence in Canada
Date: December 30, 2004 at 11:13:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The only ‘legal’ guns in Canada are licensed hunting
rifles (usually in rural areas), and those on the hips
of police officers.  Concealed weapons are strictly
not permitted, but it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
There are shootings here too, just not on so massive
of a scale as in the US.  I believe this might be a
population/numbers type of thing, coupled with the
fact that personal handguns are NOT legal in urban
areas.  If they were- oh god, who knows what would be
going on.

In fact, there have been gruesome, weekly teenage male
stabbings here for months- think swarmings.  And one
of the worst serial killers of all time is from the
west coast of Canada- Robert Picton.  He murdered and
butchered many dozens of transient, unfortunate women,
and then fed them to his pet pig.  Fucking sick
asshole.

Canada is NOT exempt from violence- we just have fewer
people and fewer guns, that’s all.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Fundamentalism
Date: December 30, 2004 at 10:24:49 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey list, I am sorry that I wrote what appears to be an applause for violence. People like me need to step back from the macho bullshit that we were brought up with and learn how to forgive ourselves and everyone else or nothing will ever change. That is not to say that I can’t stand up for what I think is right, I would just like to be able to do it without being such a red neck about it. Once again I apologies for my thoughtless ramblings. I’m still learning.   Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 30, 2004 at 9:54:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That
make us different but not enemies .<

Yep, fully agreed. (Wish the prohibitionist minded folk and warmongering folk would understand that, that in the case of prohibitionism, I don’t descriminate against folk for NOT using drugs, so why should they descriminate against me for using drugs?)
And while I enjoy firing firearms, I don’t own one and don’t plan on owning one. I don’t like violence and am a self-described peaceknick- other than for my love of action flicks (movies) and action videogames. I’ve always figured the cyber/imaginary violence is much more of a valve for me than actual, real violence is and could be, in that while giving in to violent tendencies is cathartic in the short term, it usually, in my own experience, leads to further troubles and turmoils, so I do my best to avoid it in every real life situation possible, as well as promote a peaceful outlook on things in my writing.

They have to distille fear in our veins and
heart, that the game.<

I fully agree here, I think. I just think there are a variety of ways they do so, and in turn that no one has power over how I react- IF I REMEMBER THAT! Of course, most people are laboring under the brainwashing they’ve endured since birth and so are unable to see things as clearly as those of us who’ve tried illegal drugs say, so they are not as able to seperate reality from propaganda and lies say and are more susceptible to the manipulations than I am or you are for instance. Therefore “they” are more easily able to do the above, to instill fear in our veins and hearts.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

You wrote : as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism
(religious,
prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more
violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.

I agree with you on this one 🙂
Because one more time is to judge people as our enemies, so I give up TV and
I never played
Violent videogame. You like to play videogame, I don’t. You like TV, I hate
it, you like guns, I never had one, You like big cities, I like small cities
,but I like what you write on your site regarding  the war on drugs. That
make us different but not enemies .
I will never agree on violence on TV because I hate violence personaly, and
I hate when medias try to manipulate me, to deshumanize me. Is that the
world ? and to divide us over and over again. So in theirs shitty movies the
bad is always the guy from the minoritie or the ugly one or eventualy the
handicapped one .( biggest minoritie in this country, mostly playing the bad
part in Hollywood movies ). They have to distille fear in our veins and
heart, that the game.
What do you think ?
Peace and Love and God bless

as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism (religious,
prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more
violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

> >Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon
S.
> Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes > in
> three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
> compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
> Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being
> that
> the South African government did not permit television broadcasting
until
> 1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
> Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
> television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent
during
> the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South
> Africa,
> by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.<
>
> To which I reply, with all the love I can send, I swear- are you really
> going to use this to bolster some kind of argument that tv causes
violence
> using South Africa’s banning of tv “until 1975” and their subsequent
“low”
> white violence rates? LOL! That is one of the funniest things I’ve read
in
> a while.
>    I never thought South Africa’s apartied policies could be considered
> funny in any way, but this “study” has certainly come very, very close
to
> making South Africa’s apartied funny, in that I want to know: if
Apartied
> is considered “violence,” and I myself do consider it so, and if tv was
> banned there, why the apartied?
>    Better, I want to know if the study’s authors released this with a
> straight face.
> ;-))
>    Also, I did see just tonight as a matter of fact, something on
History
> Channel about the fact that during the Korean war military researchers
> decided that not enough US troops were “shooting to kill,” and that was
> because they were being trained on paper targets instead of life-like
> dummies that looked more human. With that in mind, I could see how
playing
> videogames where we shoot life-like people could be incorporated into
that
> same theory, that by training to do so it might increase shoot-to-kill
> rates in real battle. But I still doubt that it’s the videogames making
> kids violent, or that kids are more violent today than in days or yore.
> There are all sorts of horror stories, not to mention all out wars, too
> many of both throughout history for me to believe it. Sorry.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —– > From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
>
>
>> Hi Preston !
>> You ask a very pertinent question :
>> < are
>> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how
>> media
>> and video games can influence our society regarding violence
>> IMO yes ,the facts :
>> .Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, >> and
>> he
>> spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
>> http://www.killology.com/
>> The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
>> actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very
>> difficult
>> to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war
>> about
>> 44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the
>> Irak
>> war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill.
>> That
>> the infortunate progression.
>>
>> Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon
S.
>> Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes
in
>> three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
>> compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
>> Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant >> being
>> that
>> the South African government did not permit television broadcasting
until
>> 1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. >> [and
>> Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
>> television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent
during
>> the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South
>> Africa,
>> by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.
>>
>>
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
>> You will find interesting results of several studies showing the
constant
>> relation between media conditioning violences and society.
>> The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence >> on
>> television before finishing elementary school.
>>
>> Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act
kindness
>> is
>> a rule 🙂
>> OR something like this….
>> “A female in the United States is three times more likely to be
murdered
>> than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a
>> female
>> in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female >> in
>> England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five
>> times
>> that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm
>> homicide
>> rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other
>> high-income
>> countries.
>> Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
>> God bless
>> Francis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
>>
>>
>>> Dear Preston,
>>>
>>> “hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
>>> we’re
>>> basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that >>> soon
>>> wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? >>> (Trying
>>> to
>>> bring this back on-topic.)”
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
>> Quake,
>>> or the other click and kill games.
>>> Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
>> playing
>>> this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that
you
>>> were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
>> games.
>>>
>>> I don’t suppose Timothy mean this
>>>
>>> Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing
>>> the
>>> humanity.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> FakePlacebo
>>>
>>> —– Original Message —–
>>> From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
>>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??
>>>
>>>
>>> Gawd damn X boxes!!
>>> (mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)
>>>
>>> —–Original Message—–
>>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
>>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??
>>>
>>> LOL,
>>>     Do you play online DH?
>>>     If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and
I
>> need
>>>
>>> others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
>>> playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with >>> someone
>>> speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
>>>     Let me know.
>>>     Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next
>>> step”
>> in
>>>
>>> hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
>>> we’re
>>> basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that >>> soon
>>> wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? >>> (Trying
>>> to
>>> bring this back on-topic.)
>>> ;-))
>>>
>>> Peace and love,
>>> Preston
>>>
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
>>> mistaken for madness”
>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>
>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> —– Original Message —–
>>> From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
>>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??
>>>
>>>
>>> in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal
Tournament.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering
all
>> the
>>> > dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, >>> > forget
>> the
>>> > video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
>> reflexes..)….
>>>
>>> > ah
>>> > yes, back in MY day……
>>> > Lol
>>> > Kirk
>>> >
>>> > —–Original Message—–
>>> > From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
>>> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>> > Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>>> >
>>> > I love these games.
>>> > Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
>>> > Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the
new
>>> > Doom
>>> > yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or
at
>>> > least
>>> > rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
>>> > Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more
valid
>> (in
>>>
>>> > my
>>> >
>>> > opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>>> >     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
>>> > firearms,
>>> >
>>> > (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and
only
>>> > year I
>>> >
>>> > entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both
my
>>> > brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy
scouts,
>>> > which
>>> >
>>> > takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids
>>> > who
>>> > weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
>>> > firearms),
>>> >
>>> > and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
>>> > today’s
>>> > games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother
>>> > and
>> I
>>> > got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited >>> > firearms
>>> > experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed
in
>>> > our
>>> > house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
>>> > ‘rents
>>> > by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
>>> > practice
>>> >
>>> > in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well
from
>> the
>>> > first day we ever fired a firearm.
>>> >     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on
>>> > foreign
>>> > countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
>> bombs
>>> > on
>>> > MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies
today?
>>> > (are
>>> > kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>>> >
>>> > Peace and love,
>>> > Preston Peet
>>> >
>>> > “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>> often
>>> > mistaken for madness”
>>> > Richard Davenport-Hines
>>> >
>>> > ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> > Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> > Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> > Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> > Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> > Columnist New York Waste
>>> > Etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > —– Original Message —–
>>> > From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
>>> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> >> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> >> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> >> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> >> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> >> he said.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman
>>> >> from
>>> >> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>> >>
>>> >> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt.
Col.
>>> >> Dave
>>> >> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the
clearest
>>> >> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide®
has
>>> >> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt.
Col.
>>> >> Dave
>>> >> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent
argument
>>> >> called
>>> >> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>> >>
>>> >> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>>> >> Grossman,
>>> >> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>>> >> investigate
>>> >> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>> >>
>>> >> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these
killers
>>> >> never
>>> >> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to
>>> >> trained
>>> >> army
>>> >> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year >>> >> old
>> boy
>>> >> who
>>> >> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on >>> >> eight
>>> >> children
>>> >> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not
fired
>> a
>>> >> real
>>> >> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video
games.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of
the
>>> >> video
>>> >> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>>> >> increases
>>> >> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina
and
>>> >> Great
>>> >> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye
>>> >> type
>>> >> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>>> >> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
>> available
>>> >> to
>>> >> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>> >>
>>> >> God blees
>>> >>
>>> >> F
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> —– Original Message —–
>>> >> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> >> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>>> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from
wired.com)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> >>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> >>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> >>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> >>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> >>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> >>> sea…
>>> >>>
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> ”
>>> >>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> >>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> >>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> >>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> >>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> >>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> >>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> >>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> >>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> >>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> >>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>>
>>> >>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> >>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> >>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> >>> hazy moon.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> >>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> >>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> >>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> >>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> >>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> >>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> >>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> >>> sprinting inland.”
>>> >>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> >>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> >>> across Asia.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> >>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> >>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> >>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> >>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> >>> Ball.
>>> >>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> >>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> >>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> >>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> >>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> >>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> >>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> >>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> >>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> >>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> >>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> >>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> >>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> >>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> >>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> >>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> >>> more than a decade.
>>> >>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> >>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> >>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> >>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> >>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> >>> he said.
>>> >>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> >>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> >>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> >>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> >>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> >>> an actual battlefield.
>>> >>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> >>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> >>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> >>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> >>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> >>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> >>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> >>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> >>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> >>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> >>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> >>> environment.
>>> >>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> >>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> >>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> >>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> >>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> >>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> >>> fist fires cannons.
>>> >>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> >>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> >>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> >>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> >>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> >>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> >>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> >>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> >>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> >>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> >>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> >>> walking by.”
>>> >>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> >>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> >>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> >>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> >>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> >>> stars stabilize.
>>> >>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> >>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> >>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> >>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> >>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> >>> them in detail.
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> —
>>> >>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> >>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ___________________________________________________________
>>> >>> ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger – all new features – even more fun!
>>> >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (on topic) How was it Julian?
Date: December 30, 2004 at 9:48:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Julian, I agree with you that Ibogaine can and will help people to grow spiritually, and it will probably help with all kinds of mental road blocks, so to speak. The overwhelming fact is that it interrupts addiction and that is what everyone is concentrating on, (the squeaky wheel gets the oil and all that). I’d like to see Ibogaine available to anyone who feels the need to expand and explore themselves. First we have to see that all the facts, ALL THE FACTS, come out about the therapeutic values of Ibogaine, and that it is in no shape or form a party drug. How many of us have to do the Ibogaine illegally and see huge improvements in our life for the powers that be to pay attention? Obviously not enough yet. So onward through the fog. I’m very happy for you that you finally got to do the Ibogaine. Did you have any hallucinations that you would care to share with us? I need the reminder of why I feel so different today. Ibogaine is a miracle drug.          Randy

From: “” <thethird@myway.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna (bup. and gear)
Date: December 30, 2004 at 9:44:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Donna, from what I know about buprenorphine, subutex does not have naloxone in it like the suboxone does. As far as I know, it is very hard to get subutex. They put the naloxone in the suboxone as (of course) a measure of control so that addicts can’t inject it. When taken under the tongue the naloxone doesn’t make it into the blood stream, but when taken in other ways the naloxone will cause you to go into withdrawals. If you are really getting a script for subutex then you don’t have to worry about the naloxone I don’t believe. As for using while on suboxone, there was a period of time where I did it so I can give you some first hand experience. If you don’t wait around 12 – 24 hours after you take the suboxone before you do dope then you won’t feel the dope because the bup. in your brain will block it. If you don’t wait 12 – 15 hours after doing dope to take your suboxone then you can go into withdrawals because when the bup. enters your brain and finds somebody else in it’s home it will rip the dope out of the receptor and send you into withdrawals. So: for my particular metabolism it was:
At least 15 hours before you want to get high don’t do any bup. or you won’t feel it.
Wait at least 12 hours after you get high before you do the bup or withdrawals may ruin your day.
I imagine that this can change with different metabolisms and different kinds of dope (methadone lasts much longer in the body so the amount of time would be much longer)
The reason I am telling you this is not because I am encouraging you to go get high. I just remembered when I first went on suboxone, no one would tell me the dangers of using while taking bup. It really pissed me off because I believe in giving people all the info and letting them make their own decisions. After I found all this out I asked my prescribing Dr. if all that was true and he actually told me he didn’t know!!! The Dr. I have now has told me that it is true, but it is such a new drug they don’t know everything about it yet. So, I encourage you to look it up all over the net, call pharmacies, and other Dr’s to get information because I know when I did that I got lots of different answers. It was incredible. Can you talk openly with your prescribing Dr? One nice thing about bup is the fact that it makes getting high such a pain in the ass so any tiny spark of desire to use generally goes away. Well, be careful and make sure to get info from a certified Dr. before you do anything just to make sure everything will be okay. (insert disclaimer here)
Good Luck



— On Mon 12/27, < AbbotAngel@aol.com > wrote:
From: [mailto: AbbotAngel@aol.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:34:20 EST
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna

HI
Thanks for getting back to me I used subutex before does the suboxone block effects of gear and do you know if you can take it with subutex????????????
love donna

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:Fundamentalism
Date: December 30, 2004 at 5:45:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Fundamentalist religions have caused violence all over the world. Who was shooting those DR’s and blowing up clinic’s in the US? Who fucked up Afghanistan or took down the World Trade Center for that matter. Why did all those people have to die in Ireland? Who’s next? Personally I’m prepared if it’s me. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Live without a sword and die whenever someone wants you to.             Randy

From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the Sound of Love
Date: December 30, 2004 at 5:39:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The programme features the following wild creatures:

Bats; Albatrosses; Tungler frogs; Asian Lions;
Billygoats; Mute Swans; Elephants; Puerto Rican Tree
Frogs; Peacocks; Swallows; Beluga Whales; Capuchin
Birds; Blue Tits; Cats; Bees; Grey Lions; Toads; Satin
Bowerbirds; Grey Seals; Hammer Headed Fruit Bats;
Swallow Gulls and Elephant Seals

…. and the following humans:
Matt Thompson – a radio producer; Maxine Grisley – a
business woman; Jim Crumley – a nature writer; Tom
McGrath – a playwright.

The internationally reknowned sound artist Scanner has
composed an enchanting musical feature using the
extraordinary sounds of love to be found in nature.
The music and wildlife is interwoven with the voices
of four humans describing their own feelings about the
sounds of love.

Transmitted on 13th February 2002
BBC Radio Scotland
Produced by Amanda Hargreaves
Sound design & everything else Scanner

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 30, 2004 at 5:23:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I’m glad you brought that up about South Africa because I was reading that report and thought the same thing. They didn’t allow TV or a lot of stuff until 75 including voting and a reasonable way of life. Does anyone really think that the South African government really cared how many murders happened to innocent black people there? As for Canada having guns around the household with less violent crime that’s easy. They can smoke pot when they want to, have better medical care and the junkies can get Ibogaine when they need it and are smart enough to find it. What have they got to be pissed off about? I’ve got guns and I haven’t shot anybody for well over a week now. HeHe         Randy

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Peet, Preston, Preston Peet:))
Date: December 30, 2004 at 4:57:40 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear preston,

Yes I agreed with you; computer games aren’t reason of violence. This is not my point.

I mentioned about visual pop culture. Always changing faces, shapes, etc.. and there is a TV or computer as a most important object of life.

Pop culture is originated legends. In the first contact with the pop culture; you think “yeah how nice, everything is new and bright. But when you go older with pop-culture; you understand that everything is same for thousands of years. This is normal. Every generation create their own popular culture or they think so… Behind the millions different colors of pop-culture there is just a few constant and they are never change.

(Did you heard about two books that wich is very important “morphology of legend” written by Viladimir Prop and “Principle of semiology” written by Ferdinand de Saussure)

But in the 21th. century popular culture is changing. It’s taking the place of understanding and emphaty. Killing languages of world and making them poor.

Do you want to live in a world that all around you is full of Coke, Mc Donalds, etc..

This system doesn’t link up to you “other people”.

“other peoples” are dying Mr. Peet. They are dying like flies.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 30, 2004 at 3:06:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here Here Mr Cool.
Love Jasen.

as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism (religious, prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT–Internet-telepathy?
Date: December 30, 2004 at 12:00:39 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I believe in it, serious 🙂
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT–Internet-telepathy?

Internet is the precursor to telepathy amongst people.
What do you all think about this?
I was taught Reiki, and one of the techniques is distance healing, where you
can send healing energies to people anywhere.  Much like people gathering to
prayer for someones health etc.
We do that a lot on here… sending our healing thoughts to those in need.
It’s all energy.
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:29 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 29, 2004 at 11:59:28 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You wrote : as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism
(religious,
prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more
violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.

I agree with you on this one 🙂
Because one more time is to judge people as our enemies, so I give up TV and
I never played
Violent videogame. You like to play videogame, I don’t. You like TV, I hate
it, you like guns, I never had one, You like big cities, I like small cities
,but I like what you write on your site regarding  the war on drugs. That
make us different but not enemies .
I will never agree on violence on TV because I hate violence personaly, and
I hate when medias try to manipulate me, to deshumanize me. Is that the
world ? and to divide us over and over again. So in theirs shitty movies the
bad is always the guy from the minoritie or the ugly one or eventualy the
handicapped one .( biggest minoritie in this country, mostly playing the bad
part in Hollywood movies ). They have to distille fear in our veins and
heart, that the game.
What do you think ?
Peace and Love and God bless

as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism (religious,
prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more
violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon
S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being
that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting
until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent
during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South
Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.<

To which I reply, with all the love I can send, I swear- are you really
going to use this to bolster some kind of argument that tv causes
violence
using South Africa’s banning of tv “until 1975” and their subsequent
“low”
white violence rates? LOL! That is one of the funniest things I’ve read
in
a while.
I never thought South Africa’s apartied policies could be considered
funny in any way, but this “study” has certainly come very, very close
to
making South Africa’s apartied funny, in that I want to know: if
Apartied
is considered “violence,” and I myself do consider it so, and if tv was
banned there, why the apartied?
Better, I want to know if the study’s authors released this with a
straight face.
;-))
Also, I did see just tonight as a matter of fact, something on
History
Channel about the fact that during the Korean war military researchers
decided that not enough US troops were “shooting to kill,” and that was
because they were being trained on paper targets instead of life-like
dummies that looked more human. With that in mind, I could see how
playing
videogames where we shoot life-like people could be incorporated into
that
same theory, that by training to do so it might increase shoot-to-kill
rates in real battle. But I still doubt that it’s the videogames making
kids violent, or that kids are more violent today than in days or yore.
There are all sorts of horror stories, not to mention all out wars, too
many of both throughout history for me to believe it. Sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how
media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and
he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very
difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war
about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the
Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill.
That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon
S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes
in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being
that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting
until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent
during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South
Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the
constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act
kindness
is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be
murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a
female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five
times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm
homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other
high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying
to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that
you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing
the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and
I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next
step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying
to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still
alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal
Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering
all
the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the
new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or
at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more
valid
(in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and
only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both
my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy
scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids
who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother
and
I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed
in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well
from
the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on
foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies
today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt.
Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the
clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide®
has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt.
Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent
argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these
killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to
trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not
fired
a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video
games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of
the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina
and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye
type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from
wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 11:36:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston
I just cliked on reply on the subject was already Mr. Preston, I apologize
and I think that as a writer  and  an important contribuitor two the drug
war you desserve all my respect anyway

Now for the violence , You reconize and will agree with me that training on
shooting on human target increase
the results ( quantity and quality )

For the violence in South Africa, I will agree with you that was not the
perfect esample . In fact the apartheid run from
1948-1994 and it ‘s only after the introduction to TV ( 1975 ) that the
crimes rates explode. This is the only country that banned Tv for so long .
Is it a coincidence ? Maybe, maybe not . We have only this example at the
level of a nation., Japanese, Canadians and Swiss are watching TV with the
hight contents of violence and have a lower murder rates than US.
So TV is not the roots of violence . It can be one of the road of violence
but cultural  beliefs or boundaries could make a difference.

I ‘ve seen an escalation in violence in  the cheap, trashy, violent
production that we are watching  on a daily base, and I ‘ve seen the same
escalation of violence in ours societies.( here and everywhere ) If it don’t
blead it don’t lead seem’s to be the moto of ours producers and pseudo
journalist working for corporate’s  outlet medias. More blood, we want more
blood seem’s to be  the cry of tthe viewers.  The medias and the videogame
producers create a virtual world of revenge ( exception : Divine
Journey ).This create an image of reality completely deformed for our youth.
This world is not owned by ” Jerrys Springers and fat producers of Hollywood
” and I hopes that commun sense will prevail at the end . Just commun
sense…. if that all.
With love
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

and one last thing:

If you insist on calling me Mr., how ’bout, Mr. Cool, or Mr. Mr., or even,
Mr. Peet. Better just stick to Preston. Thanks.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how
media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and
he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very
difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war
about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the
Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill.
That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon
S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being
that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting
until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent
during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South
Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the
constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness
is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a
female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five
times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm
homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other
high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying
to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that
you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing
the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next
step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that
we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying
to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy
scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids
who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother
and
I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed
in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on
foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies
today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the
clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt.
Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent
argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these
killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to
trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not
fired
a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye
type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from
wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 29, 2004 at 10:33:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

as a matter of fact, I tend to believe that fundamentalism (religious, prohibitionist, etc, etc.) of any kind causes one heck of a lot more violence that do any videogames every have, can or will.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!

>Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.<

To which I reply, with all the love I can send, I swear- are you really going to use this to bolster some kind of argument that tv causes violence using South Africa’s banning of tv “until 1975” and their subsequent “low” white violence rates? LOL! That is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a while.
I never thought South Africa’s apartied policies could be considered funny in any way, but this “study” has certainly come very, very close to making South Africa’s apartied funny, in that I want to know: if Apartied is considered “violence,” and I myself do consider it so, and if tv was banned there, why the apartied?
Better, I want to know if the study’s authors released this with a straight face.
;-))
Also, I did see just tonight as a matter of fact, something on History Channel about the fact that during the Korean war military researchers decided that not enough US troops were “shooting to kill,” and that was because they were being trained on paper targets instead of life-like dummies that looked more human. With that in mind, I could see how playing videogames where we shoot life-like people could be incorporated into that same theory, that by training to do so it might increase shoot-to-kill rates in real battle. But I still doubt that it’s the videogames making kids violent, or that kids are more violent today than in days or yore. There are all sorts of horror stories, not to mention all out wars, too many of both throughout history for me to believe it. Sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

> ah
> yes, back in MY day……
> Lol
> Kirk
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
> I love these games.
> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
> Doom
> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
> least
> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

> my
>
> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
> firearms,
>
> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
> year I
>
> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
> which
>
> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids > who
> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
> firearms),
>
> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
> today’s
> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother > and
I
> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
> our
> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
> ‘rents
> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
> practice
>
> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on > foreign
> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
> on
> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
> (are
> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
>
>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>> he said.
>>
>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
>> from
>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>
>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>> called
>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>
>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>> Grossman,
>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>> investigate
>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>
>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>> never
>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to >> trained
>> army
>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
>> who
>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>> children
>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
>> real
>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>
>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>> video
>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>> increases
>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>> Great
>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye >> type
>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
>> to
>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>
>> God blees
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>
>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> sea…
>>>
>>> —
>>> ”
>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> hazy moon.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> sprinting inland.”
>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> across Asia.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> Ball.
>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> more than a decade.
>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> an actual battlefield.
>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>
>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> environment.
>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> fist fires cannons.
>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>
>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> walking by.”
>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> stars stabilize.
>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> them in detail.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 10:14:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and one last thing:

If you insist on calling me Mr., how ’bout, Mr. Cool, or Mr. Mr., or even, Mr. Peet. Better just stick to Preston. Thanks.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

> ah
> yes, back in MY day……
> Lol
> Kirk
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
> I love these games.
> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
> Doom
> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
> least
> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

> my
>
> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
> firearms,
>
> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
> year I
>
> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
> which
>
> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
> firearms),
>
> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
> today’s
> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother > and
I
> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
> our
> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
> ‘rents
> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
> practice
>
> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
> on
> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
> (are
> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
>
>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>> he said.
>>
>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
>> from
>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>
>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>> called
>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>
>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>> Grossman,
>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>> investigate
>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>
>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>> never
>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
>> army
>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
>> who
>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>> children
>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
>> real
>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>
>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>> video
>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>> increases
>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>> Great
>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
>> to
>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>
>> God blees
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>
>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> sea…
>>>
>>> —
>>> ”
>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> hazy moon.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> sprinting inland.”
>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> across Asia.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> Ball.
>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> more than a decade.
>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> an actual battlefield.
>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>
>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> environment.
>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> fist fires cannons.
>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>
>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> walking by.”
>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> stars stabilize.
>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> them in detail.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still ot) Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 10:12:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!<

Oh, and did you see Bowling for Columbine? Michael Moore’s movie, in which he showed how Canadians watch the same tv and play the same videogames and have guns in all sorts of homes, yet have much lower rates of violence than do we?  So why are we USers different?
And what exactly does this have to do with the original assertions that videogames cause violence?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

> ah
> yes, back in MY day……
> Lol
> Kirk
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
> I love these games.
> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
> Doom
> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
> least
> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

> my
>
> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
> firearms,
>
> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
> year I
>
> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
> which
>
> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
> firearms),
>
> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
> today’s
> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother > and
I
> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
> our
> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
> ‘rents
> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
> practice
>
> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
> on
> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
> (are
> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
>
>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>> he said.
>>
>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
>> from
>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>
>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>> called
>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>
>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>> Grossman,
>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>> investigate
>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>
>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>> never
>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
>> army
>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
>> who
>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>> children
>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
>> real
>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>
>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>> video
>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>> increases
>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>> Great
>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
>> to
>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>
>> God blees
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>
>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> sea…
>>>
>>> —
>>> ”
>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> hazy moon.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> sprinting inland.”
>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> across Asia.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> Ball.
>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> more than a decade.
>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> an actual battlefield.
>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>
>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> environment.
>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> fist fires cannons.
>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>
>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> walking by.”
>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> stars stabilize.
>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> them in detail.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>> ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger – all new features – even more fun!
>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: south african white “non” violence- LOL!!!!
Date: December 29, 2004 at 10:10:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.<

To which I reply, with all the love I can send, I swear- are you really going to use this to bolster some kind of argument that tv causes violence using South Africa’s banning of tv “until 1975” and their subsequent “low” white violence rates? LOL! That is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a while.
I never thought South Africa’s apartied policies could be considered funny in any way, but this “study” has certainly come very, very close to making South Africa’s apartied funny, in that I want to know: if Apartied is considered “violence,” and I myself do consider it so, and if tv was banned there, why the apartied?
Better, I want to know if the study’s authors released this with a straight face.
;-))
Also, I did see just tonight as a matter of fact, something on History Channel about the fact that during the Korean war military researchers decided that not enough US troops were “shooting to kill,” and that was because they were being trained on paper targets instead of life-like dummies that looked more human. With that in mind, I could see how playing videogames where we shoot life-like people could be incorporated into that same theory, that by training to do so it might increase shoot-to-kill rates in real battle. But I still doubt that it’s the videogames making kids violent, or that kids are more violent today than in days or yore. There are all sorts of horror stories, not to mention all out wars, too many of both throughout history for me to believe it. Sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

> ah
> yes, back in MY day……
> Lol
> Kirk
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
> I love these games.
> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
> Doom
> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
> least
> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

> my
>
> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>     And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
> firearms,
>
> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
> year I
>
> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
> which
>
> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
> firearms),
>
> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
> today’s
> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother > and
I
> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
> our
> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
> ‘rents
> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
> practice
>
> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>     I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
> on
> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
> (are
> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>
>
>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>> he said.
>>
>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
>> from
>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>
>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
>> Dave
>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>> called
>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>
>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>> Grossman,
>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>> investigate
>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>
>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>> never
>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
>> army
>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
>> who
>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>> children
>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
>> real
>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>
>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>> video
>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>> increases
>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>> Great
>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
>> to
>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>
>> God blees
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>
>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>> that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>> sea…
>>>
>>> —
>>> ”
>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>> hazy moon.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>> sprinting inland.”
>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>> across Asia.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>> Ball.
>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>> more than a decade.
>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>> an actual battlefield.
>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>
>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>> environment.
>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>> fist fires cannons.
>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>
>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>> —
>>> —
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>> walking by.”
>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>> stars stabilize.
>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>> them in detail.
>>> —
>>> —
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still ot) stan, not kyle
Date: December 29, 2004 at 9:48:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I mean, Stan, it’s Stan who doesn’t see the point, not Kyle, darn it. Now he’s being banished from South Park, because he’s still saying he doesn’t see the point.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) south park and vote or die
Date: December 29, 2004 at 9:45:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In light of my own stated hesitations prior to the last “election,” I post the following.

Oh my god, South Park has done it again- tonight’s episode:

Democracy.
The kids must vote between a giant douch or a giant turd sandwich for school mascot, and Kyle doesn’t see the point in voting because he doesn’t care about either one.
Puff Daddy just showed up at the door with his Vote or Die campaign to illustrate why Kyle should vote. And Kyle’s mom told him, “don’t you know how many people died to give him the right to vote.”
But Kyle just doesn’t care, mainly because he doesn’t see much of a difference.
LOL!
After the “hate crimes” episode, where the South Park kids showed how ridiculous hate crime statutes really are, this has to be one of the classic South Park episodes. I love these kids, even though their creators are self-described Republican-types.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The Weekly Spin: the 2004 Falsies Awards
Date: December 29, 2004 at 9:38:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

* The U.S. indicted executives from Ogilvy and Mather for
participating in an “extensive scheme to defraud the U.S. Government
by falsely and fraudulently inflating the labor costs that Ogilvy
incurred” for its work on a media campaign for the Office of National
Drug Control Policy. According to O’Dwyer’s PR Daily, O&M’s anti-drug
media campaign work was part of a five-year $684 million dollar
project. The government said it was overcharged by O&M from May 1999
to April 2000.<

(see the rest of the awards and honorable mentions…errr, dishonorable below)

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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This year marks the beginning of a new tradition for the Center for
Media and Democracy. To remember the people and players responsible
for polluting our information environment, we are issuing a new
year-end prize that we call the “Falsies Awards.” The top ten
finalists will each receive a million bucks worth of free coupons, a
lifetime supply of non-fattening ice cream, an expenses-paid vacation
in Fallujah, and our promise to respect them in the morning. The
winners of the Falsies Awards for 2004 are:

1. I’M KAREN RYAN, REPORTING

Let’s hear it for video news releases finally getting a smattering of
the public scrutiny they deserve. A video news release or VNR is a
simulated TV news story. Video clips paid for by corporations,
government agencies, and non-governmental organizations are commonly
passed off as legitimate news segments on local newscasts throughout
the United States. VNRs are designed to be indistinguishable from
traditional TV news and are often aired without the original
producers and sponsors being identified and sometimes without any
local editing.

When a VNR touting the controversial Medicare reform law ended with
“In Washington, I’m Karen Ryan, reporting,” Senate Democrats called
foul. The VNR, which aired on 40 stations between January 22 and
February 12, 2004, was paid for by the U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services. Ryan, the “reporter,” was in fact employed by a
production company contracted by the Ketchum PR firm to create the
VNR for HHS. An investigation by the U.S. General Accounting Office
concluded that the VNR had violated a ban on government funded
“publicity and propaganda.” According to The Hill, a newspaper based
in Washington, D.C., “VNRs are standard practice in the
public-relations industry and local news reports often rely on them.
… However, the GAO said in its decision, ‘our analysis of the
proper use of appropriated funds is not based upon the norms in the
public relations and media industry.'”

Karen Ryan was back in the news in October, when the liberal-leaning
People for the American Way identified another Ryan VNR. This time
Ryan “reported” on the Bush Administration’s No Child Left Behind
law. A Freedom of Information Act investigation revealed that the
U.S. Education Department paid $700,000 to the PR firm to produce two
VNRs as well as to rate newspaper coverage according to how favorably
reporters described No Child Left Behind. “A number of local stations
ran the VNR as is, and added a local twist by simply having their own
reporter read the script,” reported CampaignDesk.org, a journalist
watchdog website. “The stations that took the time to have their own
reporters record the script of the No Child Left Behind VNR had to
have been fully aware of what they were doing: knowingly deceiving
their viewers about the origins of the story — not to mention
committing plagiarism — by passing off as their own original
reporting words actually written by a PR company hired by the Bush
administration.”

2. WAR IS SELL

The formerly exiled Iraqi Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi National
Congress were exposed as hucksters who befriended powerful men in
Washington and played an instrumental role in selling the Iraq War.
The U.S. major media finally examined the extent to which the INC and
Chalabi used funding provided by the U.S. Congress to position
themselves as a central source for much of the now-discredited
“intelligence information” that the Bush administration used to
justify the March 2003 invasion.

“The former Iraqi exile group that gave the Bush administration
exaggerated and fabricated intelligence on Iraq also fed much of the
same information to newspapers, news agencies and magazines in the
United States, Britain and Australia,” Knight Ridder reported in
March 2004. “A June 26, 2002, letter from the Iraqi National Congress
to the Senate Appropriations Committee listed 108 articles based on
information provided by the Iraqi National Congress’s Information
Collection Program, a U.S.-funded effort to collect intelligence in
Iraq. The Information Collection Program was financed out of the at
least $18 million that the U.S. Congress approved for the Iraqi
National Congress, led by Ahmed Chalabi from 1999 to 2003.”

“Chalabi appears to have recognized that the neocons, while ruthless,
realistic and effective in bureaucratic politics, were remarkably
ignorant about the situation in Iraq, and willing to buy a fantasy of
how the country’s politics worked. So he sold it to them,” John Dizard
wrote for Salon.com in May 2004. In a detailed profile of Chalabi and
the INC, the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer included some fairly candid
admissions by Francis Brooke, the INC’s PR guru. Without Chalabi, he
said, “This war would not have been fought.” Beginning in the late
1990s, Chalabi and Brooke had designed a campaign to influence “only
a couple of hundred people” in Washington with the ability to shape
Iraq policy — people like Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Richard Perle
and Dick Cheney. Following 9/11, their marketing strategy switched to
terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. Brooke claimed, “I sent out
an all-points bulletin to our network, saying, ‘Look, guys, get me a
terrorist, or someone who works with terrorists. And, if you can get
stuff on WMD, send it!'”

Following the toppling of Saddam Hussein, the U.S. gave Chalabi one
of the 25 seats on its hand-picked new Iraqi Governing Council. The
Pentagon’s $335,000 monthly payments to the INC’s intelligence
program continued until May 2004, when U.S. intelligence agencies
began reporting that Chalabi may have actually been a double agent
working for Iran. American troops raided Chalabi’s headquarters and
home in Baghdad, arrested two of his aides, and seized documents.
“Only five months ago,” observed Andrew Cockburn, “Chalabi was a
guest of honor sitting right behind Laura Bush at the State of the
Union. What brought about this astonishing fall from grace of the man
who helped provide the faked intelligence that justified last year’s
war?” According to Newsweek, “Bush administration officials say the
latest intelligence indicates [Chalabi] may have been supplying the
Iranians with information on U.S. security operations in Iraq that
could ‘get people killed.'”

Chalabi responded by demanding that the U.S. leave Iraq. “Let my
people go,” he said, adding, “It is time for the Iraqi people to run
their affairs.” More recently he has aligned himself with Muqtada
al-Sadr, the radical Shiite cleric whose militia battled U.S. troops
in August in the Iraqi city of Najaf.

3. THE HIDDEN (IN PLAIN SIGHT) PERSUADERS

Stories of so-called “guerrilla marketing” abounded in 2004. From
martinis to cell phones to TV programs, this stealthy form of
advertising usually features paid agents subtly promoting a product
to an unsuspecting audience. According to Shawn Prez of the marketing
agency Power Moves, stealth techniques are especially effective with
teens. “By the time the message gets out, they don’t even know
they’ve been hit; they don’t know that theyve been marketed to. All
they know is that their interest has been piqued,” Prez said. Our
favorite examples of guerilla marketing include the following:

* In New York, attractive men and women flashed their underwear at
strangers outside Grand Central Terminal to promote a local health
club. The underwear featured the logo of the club along with the
words “Booty Call” to promote an exercise class that works the butt
muscles. (We swear we’re not making this up.)

* A fictional blogger, invented by an ad agency, posted blog entries
claiming that a new Sega video game caused him to suffer blackouts
and uncontrollable fits of violence.

* At Fourth of July cookouts throughout the United States, guests
brought Al Fresco chicken sausages to throw on the grill, without
telling the other guests that they were actually working to earn
premiums from a PR firm that was hired to promote sales of the
product.

“This idea — the commercialization of chitchat — resembles a
scenario from a paranoid science-fiction novel about a future in
which corporations have become so powerful that they can bribe whole
armies of flunkies to infiltrate the family barbecue,” observed Rob
Walker in the New York Times.

4. FOOD INDUSTRY FOXES GUARD THE FDA HEN HOUSE

Food industry lobbyists met repeatedly and privately with Bush
administration officials while the administration was drafting rules
to protect the nation’s food supply from bioterrorism. “The resulting
regulations don’t fully protect the public interest,” stated the
Center for Science in the Public Interest. The Grocery Manufacturers
of America, Altria Group (formerly Philip Morris) and others lobbied
to weaken proposed regulations requiring importers to notify the Food
and Drug Administration before food shipments arrive from overseas.
One GMA lobbyist explained, “We all want regulations to protect
against bioterrorism, but in a way to achieve the goals and allow the
business to operate in an efficient manner.” The Bush administration’s
Secretary of Health and Human Services, Tommy Thompson had nothing to
say about the problem until after the 2004 presidential election,
when he announced his resignation plans. In his departure speech in
December, Thompson warned of possible health-related terrorist
attacks. “For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists
have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,” he
said.

5. SHELL GAME WITH HUMAN RIGHTS

Corporate lobby groups such as the International Chamber of Commerce
(ICC) launched a fierce counter-campaign against the proposed Norms
on Business and Human Rights, which were developed by a subcommission
of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. The Norms require
businesses internationally to refrain from activities that violate
human rights, coonstraints that have been vigorously opposed by the
ICC and a the Royal Dutch/Shell oil company, a self-proclaimed leader
in the corporate social responsibility (CSR) movement. “Is this not
the kind of campaign one could expect only from companies lagging
behind and from free-riders refusing to adapt to social and
environmental concerns?” asked the Corporate Europe Observatory
(CEO). The motive behind Shell’s opposition, CEO suggested, is that
“the company generally gets away easily with its inflated claims
concerning its social responsibility record.” A 2004 report by
Christian Aid documented that Shell’s operations in the Niger Delta
(Nigeria) are still causing serious problems for local communities.
The report also found that most of the community development projects
presented in various glossy Shell reports on CSR are in fact failing.
“Hospitals, schools and water supply systems are built but never
start working, and roads are mainly used to boost oil production,”
reported CEO. “But beyond the debate about the extent to which
Shell’s CSR claims are actually greenwash and poor-wash, it is clear
that the company is determined to prevent the emergence of
international mechanisms through which communities could hold it
accountable to its pledges.”

6. GHOSTWRITERS FOR BUSH

In August, the Daily Kos weblog uncovered an astroturf (fake
grassroots) initiative by the George W. Bush reelection campaign,
which generated ghostwritten letters to the editor that found their
way into at least 60 newspapers. This wasn’t the first time that the
Bush administration tried this trick, as we’ve reported in the past.
According to Editor and Publisher, however, the National Conference
of Editorial Writers (NCEW) is now taking the issue seriously. “On
its NCEW e-mail listserv, some 600 subscribers who are mostly
editorial page writers and editors, can alert one another of
suspicious letters,” writes Charles Geraci. “In fact, this is the
most consistent topic on the listserv.”

7. FRANK TALK

A leaked memo by Republican advisor Frank Luntz advised GOP
politicians to avoid the words “preemption” and “war in Iraq” when
talking about the Bush administration’s pre-emptive war in Iraq. “To
do so is to undermine your message from the start,” he advised. “Your
efforts are about ‘the principles of prevention and protection’ in the
greater ‘War on Terror.'” According to the June 2004 Washington Post
story, Luntz also recommended that “No speech about homeland security
or Iraq should begin without a reference to 9/11.”

8. NOT-SO-DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION

“One cannot conceive of other elements [that could be] put in place
to create a space that’s more of an affront to the idea of free
expression,” said U.S. District Judge Douglas Woodlock, after touring
the Democratic National Convention’s “free speech” protest zone in
Boston. The zone is “bordered by cement barriers, a double row of
chain-line fencing, heavy black netting, and tightly woven plastic
mesh,” with “coils of razor wire” along elevated train tracks, the
Boston Globe reported. A lawyer for activists challenging the zone
compared it to “a maximum security prison, Guantanamo Bay, or a zoo”
— comparisons Woodlock called “an understatement,” although he
upheld the zone for security reasons. That’s not to say the
Republican National Convention in New York City was a celebration of
civil liberties. The New York Police Department engaged in
pre-emptive arrest tactics to stop activities planned by
demonstrators.

9. IRAQ WAR SUPPORTERS PROFIT FROM RECONSTRUCTION

Several key advocates for the invasion of Iraq are now profiting from
Iraq’s reconstruction. “As lobbyists, public relations counselors and
confidential advisors to senior federal officials, they warned
against Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, praised exiled leader
Ahmad Chalabi, and argued that toppling Saddam Hussein was a matter
of national security and moral duty,” reported Walter F. Roche Jr.
and Ken Silverstein in the Los Angeles Times. “Now, as fighting
continues in Iraq, they are collecting tens of thousands of dollars
in fees for helping business clients pursue federal contracts and
other financial opportunities in Iraq.” Among the profiteers are:

* former CIA Director R. James Woolsey, Jr., a founding member of the
Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) who used his Pentagon
connections to help arrange for a debriefing of a Iraqi defector
provided by the Iraqi National Congress who gave false information
about Iraqi biological warfare laboratories (see award-winner #2
above);

* Randy Scheunemann, founding president of the CLI; and

* Washington lobbyist K. Riva Levinson, who while at
Burson-Marsteller’s BKSH & Associates did PR work for the INC on the
U.S. State Department’s tab.

10. WAL-MART GETS PR HELP FROM HILL & KNOWLTON

“Wal-Mart is working with Hill & Knowlton on a PR campaign designed
to rehabilitate the much-maligned company’s reputation in California
and pave the way for 40 new Wal-Mart Supercenters in the state in the
next few years,” PR Week reported in October. The world’s largest
retailer published an “open letter to California residents” in 15
California newspapers on September 23. “As the company has grown,
we’ve become a target for negative comments from certain elected
officials, competitors and powerful special interest groups,”
Wal-Mart wrote. PR Week reported that several of H&K’s California
offices had been working with Wal-Mart for several months on the PR
effort, “primarily handling media relations tasks.” Wal-Mart has
announced plans to increase retail space by 8 percent. The company,
which is also facing a class action suit for sex discrimination, had
a record setting in net sales for the six months ended July 31, 2004.

DISHONORABLE MENTIONS

PR and advertising agency Ogilvy & Mather tied Fleishman-Hillard,
another global PR firm, for sheer audacity at draining the public
well.

* The U.S. indicted executives from Ogilvy and Mather for
participating in an “extensive scheme to defraud the U.S. Government
by falsely and fraudulently inflating the labor costs that Ogilvy
incurred” for its work on a media campaign for the Office of National
Drug Control Policy. According to O’Dwyer’s PR Daily, O&M’s anti-drug
media campaign work was part of a five-year $684 million dollar
project. The government said it was overcharged by O&M from May 1999
to April 2000.

* Several former employees of Fleishman-Hillard say F-H routinely
overbilled the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power some $30,000
a month. According to the Los Angeles Times, one described F-H’s
attitude as, “Get as much as you can because these accounts may dry
up tomorrow.” Questionable charges include $50 for leaving a phone
message and $850 for a two-hour business lunch (not including the
cost of the meal).

HONORABLE MENTIONS

The Center for Media and Democracy would also like to recognize the
following efforts to expose and counter spin in 2004:

* The post-debate media feeding frenzy where campaign officials talk
up their candidates has come to be called Spin Alley. Comedian Jon
Stewart of Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” appeared on CNN’s
Crossfire in October, calling it as he saw it. “You go to Spin Alley,
the place called Spin Alley,” he said. “Now, don’t you think that, for
people watching at home, that’s kind of a drag, that you’re literally
walking to a place called deception lane?” On Jay Rosen’s PressThink
weblog, Lisa Stone offered an illuminating history of Spin Alley.
Stewart, she wrote, “was hitting on a practice that had grown more
and more disreputable. As a designated spot for the practice of spin,
the Alley only fell from legitimacy when an alternative practice rose
up and called out to conscience of the press. It was one lesson of
Campaign 2004: Forget about spinning the outcome, just fact check the
debates.”

* Tami Silicio and the Seattle Times brought the first images of U.S.
military casualties to the American mass media in April 2004. Silicio,
a Kuwait-based cargo worker whose photograph of flag-draped coffins of
fallen U.S. soldiers was published in the Times, was fired along with
her husband. Her employer, a private contractor, said it decided to
fire her after receiving a complaint from the military about her
violation of the Pentagon’s ban on images of soldiers’ caskets.

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT–Internet-telepathy?
Date: December 29, 2004 at 7:40:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Internet is the precursor to telepathy amongst people.
What do you all think about this?
I was taught Reiki, and one of the techniques is distance healing, where you
can send healing energies to people anywhere.  Much like people gathering to
prayer for someones health etc.
We do that a lot on here… sending our healing thoughts to those in need.
It’s all energy.
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:29 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

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From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Empty sections on mindvox
Date: December 29, 2004 at 7:14:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

After clicking through the whole MindVox site, see I
am also using your gratoutious use of capital letters
Patrick 😉 It is really pretty and I love it. Except
after 3 years of people like me mentioning you should
put up a web site and at least take your own articles
out of heroin magazine and put up a ibogaine section
on MindVox, you did that. Only after more then 6
months of being online you still haven’t even filled
out the introduction or added one thing into the media
sections 😉

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com

Introduction and Media are empty 🙂

Reminding you 🙂

Carla B

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine – Rite of Passage
Date: December 29, 2004 at 6:36:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Patrick and thanks for putting that up, it is
really beautiful filming! I’d love to see the movie
but I use a modem to connect which means I can press
the view button and then I went out for the day and
came back and could view the trailer 😉 I don’t
expect you do to anything about that I’m only sharing
🙂

MindVox is beautiful and incomprehensible. After years
I can find some of what’s inside it but it is all
updated whenever you feel like it. I know, it’s your
psychedelic graveyard videogame for schizophrenics.
The ibogaine part of MindVox is beautiful and easy to
find everything. The movies site has a great opening
page and then nothing on it is put together in any way
that makes the least amount of sense about what is
happening with the movie, where it will air, where to
order a dvd or anything.

I trust you’ll let us know 🙂 I’m not complaining I’m
only sharing again 😉 beautiful movie footage, awful
website! It also resizes my screen and moves the
browser around I hate that!!!

A great new year to all!

Carla B

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

Ibogaine – Rite of Passage is a documentary about
that wunnerful
substance which has brought all of us here, now,
together, gathered in
a large group, only scattered all over planet Earth,
and other
dimenshunZ.

It’s a film by a very talented do0d named Ben De
Loenen.  It has been
shown publicly in various places over the course of
the last three
months, and the final version is now completed.  It
will be available
on DVD within 30-45 days.

You can view the Trailer here:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2004LunArt.html

Information regarding the film — broadcast
dates/stations/nations, and
how to obtain the DVD — will be posted here, as it
becomes available.

HappY hOLIDAZe,

Patrick

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 6:32:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston !
You ask a very pertinent question :
< are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?) and how media
and video games can influence our society regarding violence
IMO yes ,the facts :
.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a retired psychiartrist from West Point, and he
spend most of his life studing the psycology behind the killing.
http://www.killology.com/
The military during the first war discover that only about 15 % where
actualy using their arms with intention to kill. It’s in fact very difficult
to take one human being life, at least it was. During the second war about
44 % where using their weapons with the intention to kill. During the Irak
war of 1991 , 90 % of the soldiers where using theirs weapons to kill. That
the infortunate progression.

Now , we have a study from University of Washington researcher Brandon S.
Centerwall  investigating the relation beetwen Tv violence and crimes in
three different population Canada, South Africa, United States :
compared white homicide rates for Canada, the United States, and South
Africa for the period 1945 to 1974, with the significant constant being that
the South African government did not permit television broadcasting until
1975. During this period, the … white homicide rate in the U. S. [and
Canada] increased by [over 90 percent, and] in South Africa, where
television was banned, the white homicide rate fell by 7.2 percent during
the same period. However, following the introduction of TV in South Africa,
by 1987, white homicides had increased by 130 percent.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&db_id=cp104&r_n=sr234.104&sel=TOC_9090
You will find interesting results of several studies showing the constant
relation between media conditioning violences and society.
The average child watches 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on
television before finishing elementary school.

Honestly, what do we expect ? Peaceful nations where random act kindness is
a rule 🙂
OR something like this….
“A female in the United States is three times more likely to be murdered
than a female in Canada, five times more likely to be murdered than a female
in Germany, and eight times more likely to be murdered than a female in
England and Wales. The U.S. female homicide victimization rate is five times
that of all the other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide
rate for U.S. females is 11 times higher than that in the other high-income
countries.
Shit I just shoot my wife !! Have to run !!
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing
Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that
playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill
games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step”
in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and
I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired
a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron
Date: December 29, 2004 at 4:03:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,

Havn’t we all?

Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron

many thanks, i have lots of character work, gotta change  to stay straight. stay the course, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron

Hey Ron,

Hows it going brother.
I have been thinking of you and wandering how you are.
So,..how are you?  🙂  .

Love Jasen……smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

MET A COMPASSIONATE DOC, NO IBO FOR WHAT AILS ME.  ROUGH ROAD AHEAD, THANKS FOR CONCERN, LOVE RON
From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] too much heroin
Date: December 29, 2004 at 2:50:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There’s so much heroin being produced in Afghanistan that the mules cannot handle the load:

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron
Date: December 29, 2004 at 1:42:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

many thanks, i have lots of character work, gotta change  to stay straight. stay the course, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron

Hey Ron,

Hows it going brother.
I have been thinking of you and wandering how you are.
So,..how are you?  🙂  .

Love Jasen……smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

MET A COMPASSIONATE DOC, NO IBO FOR WHAT AILS ME.  ROUGH ROAD AHEAD, THANKS FOR CONCERN, LOVE RON
From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine – Rite of Passage
Date: December 29, 2004 at 10:43:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick,

Just wondering if this film will be available in
Canada…would I have to order it?

Thanks,
Julie

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 9:15:31 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this<

from what I remember reading, he was involved in playing some sort of Doom-like game with a bunch of youngsters (compared to him) where instead of shooting each other they were engaged in Steal the Flag type activities, but as noted, I’m not sure I’m remembering entirely correctly, which is why I like someone else who might remember betterer to fill us in on the details of what I’m thinking of.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 29, 2004 at 6:59:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Julian,

You are most welcome!

I also think you can have a larger dose next time. You also be more relaxed doing it.

All the best,

Sara

Van: Sapphirestardus@aol.com [mailto:Sapphirestardus@aol.com] 
Verzonden: woensdag 29 december 2004 5:27
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare

Hi sara! I just want to thank you for offering your psychological support while I experienced Ibogaine this past weekend. It was a very nice experience but I am still looking forward to doing it with you next year as well as doing a larger dose as well as other experiences ‘thrown in’ (as grass, mushrooms et al) There’s quite a potential in this and as I have always maintained and still do, I am referring to an Ibogaine experience for whatever ‘growth’ and/or education I can get from it. You seem to be one of the few humans who are willing to view Ibogaine as more than just a treatment to get off drugs but as a treatment for life in general. 

        Thanks again and I’ll tell you about the amputation in a different letter. 

                                Thank you and love to your family. 

                                    Julian

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Mr. Preston (alienation)
Date: December 29, 2004 at 4:28:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Preston,

“hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)”

Would you tell me that how we linked up to others brain while playing Quake,
or the other click and kill games.
Is this the begining of the new era? Are you sure? Yes I accept that playing
this kind of games doesn’t make one is murderer but do you feel that you
were missing something while you were playing FRP, or click and kill games.

I don’t suppose Timothy mean this

Faces are deleting and all of us have no face. Because we are loosing the
humanity.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html

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From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 29, 2004 at 4:19:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Xmas dinner here for us in NZ was also a bar-b-q and our dogs & cats definitely voted in favour of the choice.  Other than the food our cats got cool balls with magnetic things in them to make them roll and the dogs got treat balls to play with & spent ages rolling them around and playing as well as eating the treats in them.  Whats a feathered cat dancer??  Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Monday, 27 December 2004 4:25:29 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

>Plus xmas dinner for them was sausages and steak cos we did the bar-b-q
>thing rather than traditional xmas dinner but they all voted in favour of
>that choice.<

V is strict vegan and I’ve been vegitarian since my ibo spell in August, but
cats being cats, carnivorous and all, they got one heck of a lot of food
neither of us would eat, what with V snatching a whole mess of leftover
flesh to bring home to the furry little beasties.
They also got this feathered “cat dancer” thing that rocks, and they love
it.
V’s sister has a huge slobbery dog that got a few of those big dried leather
bone things to chew on, but prefered the old, partially deflated soccarball
he (Berkeley) found in the woods out back of V’s Mom’s house, bringing it to
me to kick (softly as it’s very difficult for me to kick very hard with my
back and leg issues, but it’s almost harder to say no to a dog I love who
wants to play and keeps telling me so in no uncertain terms).
Anyway, good day to all, and nice to hear about your pleasent
christmases all, especially those shared (as opposed to imposed) with the
other creatures on our planet.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

So good Preston & V Our dogs got treat ball toys and the cats got some cute
balls with like magnetic things that made them roll really well. Plus xmas
dinner for them was sausages and steak cos we did the bar-b-q thing rather
than traditional xmas dinner but they all voted in favour of that choice.
What was the weather like with you. I know I went to sleep on the lawn
after a few glasses of wine and got horribly sunburned but thats about the
most summer we have had so far. We are hoping that things will improve but
not holding our breath. Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, 26 December 2004 12:23:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

>> =) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)<

the cats got all sorts of toys and goodies, including “a whole of tub of
mind altering fun!” as one of the marketing balloons on the lid of their new
catnip puts it.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

> =) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)
>
>
>
> — Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>> Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer
>> wish for everyone.
>> So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as
>> well please.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
>> enlightenment is often
>> mistaken for madness”
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
>> Guide to Drugs”
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
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From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Allison
Date: December 29, 2004 at 4:07:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I didn’t quite mean the whole addiction to methadone was psychological.  I just thought that after being on 85mgs a day for the last so many yrs that there would have been enough build up in the system to carry him through from his normal 8 or 9am dose till 4pm without stressing out but I must admit I havent been there and obviously didn’t put my brain into gear & think hard enough about it.  I just know that some days he will almost forget & it can be hours later but perhaps its situations or stress that triggers the need.  Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Monday, 27 December 2004 2:52:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Allison

Dear Allison,

Addiction to methadone is NOT just psychological! If
you do not get your drink at roughly the same time,
you can start going into withdrawal, especially if you
are a fast metabolizer.

My methadone dose NEVER lasted 24 hours- more like 16,
or 18 if I was lucky. And then the sweats would start
setting in, the pins/needles, and hot/cold flashes.
More serious withdrawal usually doesn’t start until
about day 2-3 post-methadone, but physical discomfort
(which can be very distracting) can set in as early as
half a day after your drink.

Happy holidays, and love to you and your family,

Julie (so glad to be off the ‘done)

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ‘…juggle; another day, another struggle…’
Date: December 29, 2004 at 2:28:52 AM EST
To: 8bit@oddioblender.tk
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com


When one makes twenty million, ten thousand people
loose.  What keeps that one from swallowing a shotgun?

The guilty don’t feel guilty, they learned not to.

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 29, 2004 at 12:45:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, I know what ya mean, after my Doom sessions (lasting several hours,
gawd I need a job… preferably somewhere with red bull and games…hmm) if
I closed my eyes I’d be sailing doom style down weird looking corridors. Wif
my widdle gun poking out in front. Gee, is that what it feels like to be
male??
Lmao
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: D H [mailto:dave@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 1:22 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

not very often at all. matter of fact about an hour or so I fired up
UnrealTournament2003 and within ten minutes my heart was racing, my
palms were sweaty and I wanted more. hmmm… remind you of anything?

good news is this little spree didn’t cost me a dime. bad news is, I
didn’t get any work done and now I want a better video card to handle
the texture mapping. NOT!

A company I used to work for got all the free redbull we could drink.
It was company policy if we all opened a redbull w/in 5 minutes of each
other, that constituted grounds for an hour long Quake Killing Spree.
We had five Macs networked together. This happened about 3X a week.
Quake, RedBull and Hostess Ho-Ho’s. Quite a combo.

I would dream in Quake 3D for 2 nights after playing.

blah blah blah…

There is a great science fiction book called Otherland (actually there
are 3 or 4 books in the series, I think the first one is “River of Blue
Fire”) which describes virtual reality worlds where you can get trapped
online. spooky… and a good read if yah like that sorta shit.

_.dh

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 01:15 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
need others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French
while playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with
someone speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty
cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next
step” in hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary
step, that we’re basically linking up cyberly to others and their
brains, and that soon wetware will be a reality too? Or something
along these lines? (Trying to bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
reflexes..)…. ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
(in my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy
scouts, which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids
who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother
and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed
in our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on
foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
bombs on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies
today? (are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt.
Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to
trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not
fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye
type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 29, 2004 at 12:42:52 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Gawd damn X boxes!!
(mutters lots and goes back to her first episode of Tomb Raider)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 12:15 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: Sapphirestardus@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 11:27:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi sara! I just want to thank you for offering your psychological support while I experienced Ibogaine this past weekend. It was a very nice experience but I am still looking forward to doing it with you next year as well as doing a larger dose as well as other experiences ‘thrown in’ (as grass, mushrooms et al) There’s quite a potential in this and as I have always maintained and still do, I am referring to an Ibogaine experience for whatever ‘growth’ and/or education I can get from it. You seem to be one of the few humans who are willing to view Ibogaine as more than just a treatment to get off drugs but as a treatment for life in general.

Thanks again and I’ll tell you about the amputation in a different letter.

Thank you and love to your family.

Julian

From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 11:20:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The fantasy series of books called Otherland is written by Tad Williams who also wrote a triology called the Dragonbone Chair which was also really good.  All well worth reading in my opinion.  Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 1:21:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

not very often at all. matter of fact about an hour or so I fired up
UnrealTournament2003 and within ten minutes my heart was racing, my
palms were sweaty and I wanted more. hmmm… remind you of anything?

good news is this little spree didn’t cost me a dime. bad news is, I
didn’t get any work done and now I want a better video card to handle
the texture mapping. NOT!

A company I used to work for got all the free redbull we could drink.
It was company policy if we all opened a redbull w/in 5 minutes of each
other, that constituted grounds for an hour long Quake Killing Spree.
We had five Macs networked together. This happened about 3X a week.
Quake, RedBull and Hostess Ho-Ho’s. Quite a combo.

I would dream in Quake 3D for 2 nights after playing.

blah blah blah…

There is a great science fiction book called Otherland (actually there
are 3 or 4 books in the series, I think the first one is “River of Blue
Fire”) which describes virtual reality worlds where you can get trapped
online. spooky… and a good read if yah like that sorta shit.

_.dh

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 01:15 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

> LOL,
> Do you play online DH?
> If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I
> need others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French
> while playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game- last night, with
> someone speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty
> cool.)
> Let me know.
> Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next
> step” in hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary
> step, that we’re basically linking up cyberly to others and their
> brains, and that soon wetware will be a reality too? Or something
> along these lines? (Trying to bring this back on-topic.)
> ;-))
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> often mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
>
>
> in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:
>
>> Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all
>> the
>> dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget
>> the
>> video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all
>> reflexes..)…. ah
>> yes, back in MY day……
>> Lol
>> Kirk
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>>
>> I love these games.
>> Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
>> Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
>> Doom
>> yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
>> least
>> rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
>> Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid
>> (in my
>>
>> opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
>> And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
>> firearms,
>>
>> (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
>> year I
>>
>> entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
>> brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy
>> scouts, which
>>
>> takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids
>> who
>> weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
>> firearms),
>>
>> and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
>> today’s
>> games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother
>> and I
>> got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
>> experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed
>> in our
>> house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
>> ‘rents
>> by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
>> practice
>>
>> in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from
>> the
>> first day we ever fired a firearm.
>> I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on
>> foreign
>> countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping
>> bombs on
>> MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies
>> today? (are
>> kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>> often
>> mistaken for madness”
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
>>
>>
>>> “Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>> he said.
>>>
>>> Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave
>>> Grossman from
>>> West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet
>>>
>>> Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
>>> Dave
>>> Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
>>> insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
>>> published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt.
>>> Col. Dave
>>> Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
>>> called
>>> Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
>>>
>>> After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
>>> Grossman,
>>> who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
>>> investigate
>>> the mass killing of children and others by children.
>>>
>>> He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
>>> never
>>> used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to
>>> trained
>>> army
>>> professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old
>>> boy
>>> who
>>> shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
>>> children
>>> and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not
>>> fired a
>>> real
>>> gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.
>>>
>>> Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
>>> video
>>> game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
>>> increases
>>> to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
>>> Great
>>> Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye
>>> type
>>> targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
>>> sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games
>>> available to
>>> your kids, had a 90% kill rate.
>>>
>>> God blees
>>>
>>> F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> —– Original Message —–
>>> From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
>>>> ‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??
>>>>
>>>> Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours… I had that
>>>> problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
>>>> up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
>>>> that cleared it up. I had to request the split 3
>>>> times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
>>>> sea…
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>> ”
>>>> …the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
>>>> pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
>>>> seizures, or other hazards that come with living
>>>> underwater..”After three or four generations,
>>>> inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
>>>> live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
>>>> by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
>>>> floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
>>>> engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
>>>> normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
>>>> 1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>> “We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
>>>> – A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
>>>> be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
>>>> hazy moon.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>> Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
>>>> the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
>>>> scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
>>>> Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
>>>> the birth of the solar system.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>> “Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
>>>> before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
>>>> deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
>>>> told everyone to run for their life and I started
>>>> sprinting inland.”
>>>> The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
>>>> quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
>>>> across Asia.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
>>>> Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
>>>> 37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
>>>> percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
>>>> results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
>>>> Ball.
>>>> To devise better systems for training physicians,
>>>> Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
>>>> movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
>>>> the three groups can develop better tools.
>>>> While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
>>>> training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
>>>> kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
>>>> More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
>>>> surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
>>>> Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
>>>> surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
>>>> techniques to repair injuries.
>>>> Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
>>>> as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
>>>> suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
>>>> into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
>>>> more than a decade.
>>>> Video games also have much to offer the military, said
>>>> Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
>>>> Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
>>>> conference held in Marina del Rey.
>>>> “You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
>>>> he said.
>>>> TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
>>>> virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
>>>> bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
>>>> intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
>>>> the other assessments they would be required to do in
>>>> an actual battlefield.
>>>> The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
>>>> Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
>>>> like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
>>>> Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.
>>>>
>>>> One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
>>>> Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
>>>> biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
>>>> skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
>>>> calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
>>>> the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
>>>> had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
>>>> order to make a balloon float through a mystical
>>>> environment.
>>>> Another product on display was a system developed by
>>>> researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
>>>> hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
>>>> sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
>>>> exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
>>>> wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
>>>> fist fires cannons.
>>>> All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
>>>> some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.
>>>>
>>>> “You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
>>>> A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
>>>> baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
>>>> Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
>>>> “These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
>>>> the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
>>>> up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
>>>> Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
>>>> Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
>>>> like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
>>>> walking by.”
>>>> The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
>>>> galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
>>>> spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
>>>> while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
>>>> tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
>>>> stars stabilize.
>>>> Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
>>>> to the Milky Way than previously discovered
>>>> “newborns,” scientists can now use various
>>>> Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
>>>> Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
>>>> them in detail.
>>>> —
>>>> —
>>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
>>>> http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65990,00.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 9:17:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/28/04 8:59:13 PM, myeboga@yahoo.co.uk writes:

<< Didn’t Leary get discredited in the end or was that

just bad press? >>

Tim Leary effected though his promotion of LSD the way millions of people
think.  Maybe even tens of millions, maybe more.  How do you discredit that?

Howard

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 9:03:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Kirsty,
Aren’t you down in NZ? What an amazing country.
Incredible.
Spent some time there. I am only asking because its a
long way for those
sauces to travel. Will they keep or can you beem them
to me? I certainly
would like some of what you are tucking into.
I think you are right in what you say. Maybe you have
the same
sources as me. Guess we will have to wait for
directions.
In any case I dont see any bombs dropping on you. One
of the
benefits of living in a small country. Only problem is
Ireland is very
close to England and sadly thats a country thats too
allied to the US.
I envy you being down under. But, I guess I have a lot
to be thankful
for here in the emerald isle when I am here. Luckily
the Spanish
government has changed!
Say hello for me to the world that surrounds you :).
Lee

— Kirsty Sutherland <captkirk@kol.co.nz> wrote:
Hehheh, so Lee, what are you saying, I’m just plain
stupid??? Lmao ( I know
ya didn’t mean that…. did ya?? Hehheh)
Anyway, Lee, if it’s any consolation…..my
“sources” say that those in
power are fighting their last fight and are on their
last legs  as a new era
takes over the planet and humanity. Sadly, not
without a few casualties
first…. but (apparently) it’s on its way. Good
news? Let’s hope so ay?
Believe it or sod off!!!!
Lol
Koik
(ps lee, if you want my sauces giz a yell ok! ;o))

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:59 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare

Vector,
One of the demons i have faught with is the reality
of
what is going on and
yet how to still find meaning and delight in life.
Your description of
corporations as psychologically psychopath is spot
on.
I guess
it reflects the mental health of the board members.
Kirsty, I dont think you are being cynical. I think
there is a big
difference between cynical and plain stupid.
Sorry for bringing a gloom note into the list but I
do
feel at times
that a lot of shit is going to hit the fan and it
makes the need for inner
peace all that more pressing.(Maybe its the season
we
are in.)
Anyway, I hope you all reading here get a big boost
of
positive energy
in

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 8:51:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,
If V-reality is the next wave I am sure you will be
riding it.
A question.
Didn’t Leary get discredited in the end or was that
just bad press?
Lee

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription
to x-box live and I need
others I know to play with/against. (I was
practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last
night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy.
That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online
gaming as the “next step” in
hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next
evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their
brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along
these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how
are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play
UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kir

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ron
Date: December 28, 2004 at 8:11:23 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ron,

Hows it going brother.
I have been thinking of you and wandering how you are.
So,..how are you?  🙂  .

Love Jasen……smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

MET A COMPASSIONATE DOC, NO IBO FOR WHAT AILS ME.  ROUGH ROAD AHEAD, THANKS FOR CONCERN, LOVE RON
From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine – Rite of Passage
Date: December 28, 2004 at 8:03:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ibogaine – Rite of Passage is a documentary about that wunnerful substance which has brought all of us here, now, together, gathered in a large group, only scattered all over planet Earth, and other dimenshunZ.

It’s a film by a very talented do0d named Ben De Loenen.  It has been shown publicly in various places over the course of the last three months, and the final version is now completed.  It will be available on DVD within 30-45 days.

You can view the Trailer here:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2004LunArt.html

Information regarding the film — broadcast dates/stations/nations, and how to obtain the DVD — will be posted here, as it becomes available.

HappY hOLIDAZe,

Patrick

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 7:22:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

not very often at all. matter of fact about an hour or so I fired up UnrealTournament2003 and within ten minutes my heart was racing, my palms were sweaty and I wanted more. hmmm… remind you of anything?

good news is this little spree didn’t cost me a dime. bad news is, I didn’t get any work done and now I want a better video card to handle the texture mapping. NOT!

A company I used to work for got all the free redbull we could drink. It was company policy if we all opened a redbull w/in 5 minutes of each other, that constituted grounds for an hour long Quake Killing Spree. We had five Macs networked together. This happened about 3X a week. Quake, RedBull and Hostess Ho-Ho’s. Quite a combo.

I would dream in Quake 3D for 2 nights after playing.

blah blah blah…

There is a great science fiction book called Otherland (actually there are 3 or 4 books in the series, I think the first one is “River of Blue Fire”) which describes virtual reality worlds where you can get trapped online. spooky… and a good read if yah like that sorta shit.

_.dh

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 01:15 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)…. ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts, which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my ‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today? (are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 7:07:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LoL, Preston, those games are very addictive!
But they are fun.

S.

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 29 december 2004 0:15
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need

others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while
playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone
speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in

hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re
basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon
wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to
bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)….

ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new
Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at
least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in

my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with
firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only
year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts,
which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real
firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of
today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in
our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my
‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no
practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs
on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today?
(are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. MovieguideR has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col.
Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col.
Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the
video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate
increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and
Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available
to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 6:15:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL,
Do you play online DH?
If so, as mentioned, V bought me a subscription to x-box live and I need others I know to play with/against. (I was practicing my French while playing Men of Valor- a ‘Nam-based fps game-  last night, with someone speaking French while playing in Milan, Italy. That’s pretty cool.)
Let me know.
Didn’t Tim Leary see virtual reality/online gaming as the “next step” in hallucinogens? Like that it was/is the next evolutionary step, that we’re basically linking up cyberly to others and their brains, and that soon wetware will be a reality too? Or something along these lines? (Trying to bring this back on-topic.)
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all  the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget  the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all  reflexes..)…. ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid  (in my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts, which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother  and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my ‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from  the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping  bombs on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today? (are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old  boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired  a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games  available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 5:20:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh, so Lee, what are you saying, I’m just plain stupid??? Lmao ( I know
ya didn’t mean that…. did ya?? Hehheh)
Anyway, Lee, if it’s any consolation…..my “sources” say that those in
power are fighting their last fight and are on their last legs  as a new era
takes over the planet and humanity. Sadly, not without a few casualties
first…. but (apparently) it’s on its way. Good news? Let’s hope so ay?
Believe it or sod off!!!!
Lol
Koik
(ps lee, if you want my sauces giz a yell ok! ;o))

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 10:59 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare

Vector,
One of the demons i have faught with is the reality of
what is going on and
yet how to still find meaning and delight in life.
Your description of
corporations as psychologically psychopath is spot on.
I guess
it reflects the mental health of the board members.
Kirsty, I dont think you are being cynical. I think
there is a big
difference between cynical and plain stupid.
Sorry for bringing a gloom note into the list but I do
feel at times
that a lot of shit is going to hit the fan and it
makes the need for inner
peace all that more pressing.(Maybe its the season we
are in.)
Anyway, I hope you all reading here get a big boost of
positive energy
into your lives in 2005!
You know this disaster makes it all the more plain
that this planet cannot work
without everone working together for the betterment of
all.
Yet these corporations work only for their own selfish
ends.
Of course there must be some good businesses out
there.
Peace & Love,
Lee

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Lee what you wrote is gloomy but I don’t think that
far wrong.

There were articles that were highly publiczed when
they came out a few
years ago that looked at the ‘average’ corporation,
not dot.com only or
the Fortune 500 but the typical corp. They concluded
that if a
corporation were subject to the same psych
evaluation as a person, most
corporations would fall into the definition of being
psychopaths and if
the same laws that apply to people were also
applied, most corporations
would be serving life in prison.

The main reason any corp exists is to make money for
the shareholders.
Making the world a better place is not part of its
purpose. This goes
back to those very long chain letters Brett posted
about buying stock
in ATCO. The reason is to make a buck, nothing else.

It isn’t only the oil companies either. Load up the
RIAA web site, the
RIAA is case you don’t know is the Recording
Industry Association of
America. Their entire news section is nothing,
nothing, nothing, not
one thing except their latest lawsuits. Not one
exception. They could
replace ‘News’ and change it to ‘The latest list of
people we are
suing’

Home

‘The internet is stealing money from the pockets of
artists’ is their
line. Except there are very few artists who support
this because the
RIAA has been stealing money from them for years.
S

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Bupe Q
Date: December 28, 2004 at 5:14:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi
really appreciate you getting back to me, i want to detox from heroin about 1g a day, i never got any feeling from the sub but the doc i went to had only prescribed it once to a heroin addict and just told me on the first day to take 2mg wait and take another and another untill i felt ok, i did wait untill i normally had my gear but was not hanging and i felt so shit i just kept taking them.  can you tell me if suboxone is a blocker does it block all effects of H??
what was the ibogaine like i really wanted to try this it never worked for you?? what was it like???

love donna

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the everlasting cat
Date: December 28, 2004 at 5:00:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Sara 😉 The world isn’t ending after all 🙂

.:vector:.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/24/cloned_kitten_sold

Cloned kitten sold for $50,000
By Robin Lettice (robin.lettice at theregister.co.uk)
Published Friday 24th December 2004 12:40 GMT

Califoria-based biotech firm Genetic Savings & Clone (GSC) has made its
first sale: a cloned male kitten, for $50,000.

Little Nicky, bought by a Texas woman identified only as ‘Julie’
because of fears that she would be targeted by anti-cloning groups, is
genetically identical to the owner’s previous cat, ‘Nicky’, a
17-year-old Maine Coone which died in September. The kitten is reported
to resemble the previous cat in appearance, temperament and behaviour.

The Humane Society and other pet advocacy groups say pet cloning is
wasteful, given the 3m to 4m pets destroyed every year in animal
shelters in the US.

GSC says that cat clones would only be for relatively few pet owners,
and would thus have little effect on the number of adoptions.

There are concerns that cloned animals may not live as long as ordinary
animals and may have more health problems. Dolly the sheep, the most
famous cloned animal, lived for only six years – half the 11-12 years
normal life expectancy for a sheep – and suffered from arthritis. It is
not known if these problems were a direct result of the cloning
process, or were merely coincidental.

In order to clone a pet, GSC requires customers to send in a tissue
sample to a ‘Petbank’. The firm has five other cat-cloning deals in the
works. In 2001, GSC produced the first cloned cat, CC, which stands for
Carbon Copy. CC’s stripes differed from the original, but GSC’s
techniques have improved since then.

GSC was co-founded by billionaire John Sperling, who hopes to clone his
dog Missy. The company plans to offer dog cloning in 2005. Dog clones
are harder to produce than cat clones, as dogs ovulate eggs too
immature to clone, so these must be aged in a lab, a difficult process.
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 4:59:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vector,
One of the demons i have faught with is the reality of
what is going on and
yet how to still find meaning and delight in life.
Your description of
corporations as psychologically psychopath is spot on.
I guess
it reflects the mental health of the board members.
Kirsty, I dont think you are being cynical. I think
there is a big
difference between cynical and plain stupid.
Sorry for bringing a gloom note into the list but I do
feel at times
that a lot of shit is going to hit the fan and it
makes the need for inner
peace all that more pressing.(Maybe its the season we
are in.)
Anyway, I hope you all reading here get a big boost of
positive energy
into your lives in 2005!
You know this disaster makes it all the more plain
that this planet cannot work
without everone working together for the betterment of
all.
Yet these corporations work only for their own selfish
ends.
Of course there must be some good businesses out
there.
Peace & Love,
Lee

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Lee what you wrote is gloomy but I don’t think that
far wrong.

There were articles that were highly publiczed when
they came out a few
years ago that looked at the ‘average’ corporation,
not dot.com only or
the Fortune 500 but the typical corp. They concluded
that if a
corporation were subject to the same psych
evaluation as a person, most
corporations would fall into the definition of being
psychopaths and if
the same laws that apply to people were also
applied, most corporations
would be serving life in prison.

The main reason any corp exists is to make money for
the shareholders.
Making the world a better place is not part of its
purpose. This goes
back to those very long chain letters Brett posted
about buying stock
in ATCO. The reason is to make a buck, nothing else.

It isn’t only the oil companies either. Load up the
RIAA web site, the
RIAA is case you don’t know is the Recording
Industry Association of
America. Their entire news section is nothing,
nothing, nothing, not
one thing except their latest lawsuits. Not one
exception. They could
replace ‘News’ and change it to ‘The latest list of
people we are
suing’

Home

‘The internet is stealing money from the pockets of
artists’ is their
line. Except there are very few artists who support
this because the
RIAA has been stealing money from them for years.
S

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [ot] WWII Documentary
Date: December 28, 2004 at 4:38:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jon,
All very true.
I wonder how this period of history will be recorded?
I guess it will depend on the results.
Lee

— Jon Ludlam <seraphina@compuserve.com> wrote:
Message text written by Lee
In school that is why I thought they taught
History.

Seems like I was wrong.

Lee<

Dear Lee,

History is the lie commonly agreed upon.” (Voltaire)

History is is written by the victor (unknown)

Something like what is published about the alleged
“evils” of Ibogaine.

Respectfully Yours,

Jon

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From: “Kurt Finguerra” <kosmocraterhater@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Donna and Bupe Q
Date: December 28, 2004 at 4:27:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi List

Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop
using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed
clean  for a year and started using again.  I wondered what dose to start with
last time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high.

What and how much are you using?. And are you sure you started with 16mg?. Its totally possible, though induction usually begins a bit lower, as the bupe ‘displaces’ the dope, done’, whatever is in there. Dope is a bit easier to switch from. You were on it for a year, so you know how it works kinda.
If you have some left over suboxone and your asking how to detox yourself or switch, i would do like this:
Do ‘last’ bag(s) of dope. wait 12 hours or until truly feeling withdrawl. wait until the goosebumps come . If you take bupe to soon, even though you think your sick(like few hours after last fix when nose starts runnin), you will feel kinda bad as the bupe will ‘kickout’ the heroin from the receptor site. I have found that waiting till i was sick enough and the bupe actually brought a little relief instead of sickness. (12 or so hours for me). I am now on Suboxone(though I did do ibogaine) and prescribed 6mg a day. This took about a week to totally work, meaning that i still felt a little off now and then. I just had a half bundle or 3to4 80’s a day habit, nothing huge, so It wasn’t horrible. individual variations applicable 🙂

Now, if we suppose a bundle(100-200mgs of dimorphine) a day for a few months is the ‘size of habit’, and the dope is decent, I would, after the 12 hours has passed, take ONE 2mg suboxone(or subutex preferrably at induction then switch to subutex). If you feel ok to take another in a few hours, ok.
A total of 6mg the first day is good and on day two, 8 mg is ok.
you can go to 12 if need be but 8 I have found is around where the ceiling effect kicks in.(bupe seems to have a ceiling on the amount of effect it produces. Its only a partial MU agonist, which partly explains this. So it means that above a certain dose, bupe dosen’t do anything more(in simple terms).
I don’t know, tell me donna, how did 16mg  a day make you feel before. Why did you think it was too much?. Make you tired? Does bupe give you a feeling?(like say methadone) I find it doesn’t, largely. Any euphoric feeling is a ‘flicker’ and then is only noticed at all only f you “look for it”. It doesn’t do much for me except what its supposed to. Cuts out the obsessivess over heroin and crew. Cuts out the urge to go do it. And I know if I did, I wouldn’t really get a rush or a nod cuz the bupe beats the heroin out of the recptor site. So I don’t do it. Haven’t yet in a month and a half I’ve been on it. Did Ibogaine in sept. Used again in october(19th) and got on suboxone again  in nov. I was on 16 mg last year but I didn’t take it, just sold it and did herpin instead. Am on 6mg a day and feel OK. Still obsess a bit about dope and gang, and Methadone DID do a better job then bupe, but I can’t afford methadone, that why I don’t get back on. Was on it for nearly a decade at 120mg a day(clinic) and got off and withdrawls were NOT that bad.(not like a tornado of pain like a heroin kick, fast and fierce, but like a monsoon, slow  and neverending,) Tolerable with bupe after 5 days off the methadone and have kicked DONE with and without bupe) surprisng to most folks but its true.
Now the 6 years of xanax/klonopin @12mg a day, that was bad, and that was same time as methadone.

###Sublingual absorbtion rates for suboxone are around 50-70% of buprenorphine is absorbed. almost none or 0.03% of the nalaxone makes it in. Even if 1 or 2% made it through, it still wouldn’t have an effect.
Anyway, the sublingual route by-pass the metabolic mayhem of first pass liver metabolism. In most opiates and in bupe, this “kills” 50% or more of the dose. With buprenorphine, some metabolism is ok, cuz the metabolite norbuprenorphine is kinda active, but most of the effect is from bupe.
Now, ANY OTHER ROUTE besides sublingual (with suboxone and due to nalaxone, parenterally is NOT an option and will be like narcan), is no good. Even holding the tablets between cheecks isn’t effective, as buccal absorption rates(meaning cheek) are only 20-30% and the vessels from the cheek cause first pass metabolic destruction of bupe. Orally this is true as well and the amount the even passes the gut wall is only around 15-20%. and half that is killed right off the bat from the liver(same with the cheeks absorbtion). So, I said all this cuz key to sucess with suboxone is the proper dosage and proper dosage won’t be achived without proper administration/absorbtion. Like when the tabs sit under your tounge and your mouth fills up with spit, don’t swish around and cause the tabs on the sublingual floor to become dispersed into the mass of saliva, which usually only ‘touches’ the cheeks. Just keep the spit out of the way and let the tabs disolve with as little disruption as possible. Now that doesn’t mean SWallow the spit, as A DECENT AMOUNT of bupe has collected in there anyway despite best efforts and its better for it to asorb through the cheeks or to put the whole mass under your tounge in 15 minutes/after the tabs dissolve, than to send it to your stomach where its gonna pass unabsrobed or if it is absorbed, killed off by the liver.  So, in other words, keep tabs under tounge and don’t swallow for 10 to 15 minutes. You should feel a difference.

I would appreciate  any
advice.
There it is. Sorry it goes on and on. Please respond with any questions. No I’m not a doctor, as you can tell but am willing to say that my opinion is worthwhile.

love donna

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:46:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes it certainly is mind boggling isn’t it.  Goes to show how fucked up
these people’s morals are (the ones in power) and as for giving $15
million…are they sure they can spare it?
Ah the cynic in me, I used to be an optimist, believe it or not…
Still, will be interesting to see how much the world is willing to give….
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 12:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare

Hi all. Totally off topic, but:
Anyone else see the disparity in giving $15 million (initially
apparently, but still a pittance) for wave relief from yesterday’s disaster,

and paying what, a $100 billion so far in Iraq (I think that’s the quoted
number I’ve most recently seen) to bomb and otherwise kill people there?
As I’ve so often ask, what in the heck is wrong with the leaders of this

country? Where is the genuine love and humanity for other people and living
creatures?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Prayers and support to victims of tsunami and their families
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:39:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Same goes from me in New Zealand here.  The devastation of some of the areas
would equal whole town populations.
I hope nobody had friends/family over there……….
Aroha
Kirsty Dawn

My thoughts, prayers, and deepest condolences go out
to the families and friends of the 22,000+ victims of
the recent tsunami.

I am deeply saddened by this event- it is almost
unparalleled in its devastation and destruction…

love Julie

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:40:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in celebration of death and violence I will now play UnReal Tournament.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Kirsty Sutherland wrote:

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all reflexes..)…. ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid (in my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts, which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my ‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping bombs on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today? (are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

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From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Donna
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:35:51 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Waving hello from little ol New Zealand…..
Qu’est que c’est .. that bupro thing and suboxone thing?  (no we don’t speak French here lol)
Just never heard of those as alternatives to methadone…..done is it here.  We’re such a simple country lol.
From: thethird@myway.com [mailto:thethird@myway.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 5:06 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Donna

Hey Donna, I am on suboxone now, but am using it as more of a maintenance thing as opposed to detox. I did Ibogaine awhile ago and that helped me to break the dope cycle, but I just wasn’t ready to go totally without opiates and knew deep down that if I didn’t go on a maintenance treatment that I would be back using again. The Ibogaine helped me realize what I needed to change in myself, and the suboxone is keeping me from using dope until I can make those changes. If you have tried using suboxone before and it worked, then maybe it would be a good idea to try it again until you can save up the money to do the Ibo. I have heard suboxone is easier than methadone to come off of and since you won’t be spending money on dope everyday, maybe you can put some $$ aside for ibo. I think it is almost time for me to stop the suboxone, but I don’t regret using it. It definitely made it easier to focus on what I needed to do to get myself in the right position. Good Luck, I’d like to know what you decide to do.





— On Sun 12/26, < AbbotAngel@aol.com > wrote:
From: [mailto: AbbotAngel@aol.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:54:46 EST
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more on hypoism

Hi List

Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed clean for a year and started using again. I wondered what dose to start with last time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high. I would appreciate any advice. Jasen keep up the good work you are my inspiration this is definately going to be your year 

love donna
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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE:OT]Learning to kill/how are we still alive??
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:34:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes Preston, it’s just amazing how we are still alive considering all the
dangers we faced as children!! Far less safety, no flu shots, forget the
video games (we should be vegetables really with fark all reflexes..)…. ah
yes, back in MY day……
Lol
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 2:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new Doom
yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at least
rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid (in my

opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with firearms,

(in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only year I

entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my
brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts, which

takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who
weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real firearms),

and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of today’s
games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother and I
got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms
experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in our
house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my ‘rents
by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no practice

in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from the
first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign
countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping bombs on
MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today? (are
kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument
called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to
investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers
never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained
army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old boy
who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight
children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired a
real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 3:29:09 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 december 2004 20:51
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare

“Lee what you wrote is gloomy but I don’t think that far wrong. ”

‘Merry Apocalypse and a Happy Kali Yuga’

.:vector:.”

Happy new year and best wishes for 2005!

We are spirits in a bag of bones, no worry , when it’s time to go it’s time
to go, and there is plenty to go to as far as few galaxies.
2005 is just a number and there are so many of them,
Just be happy it is not 2004 again.

With love.

Sara

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 2:50:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee what you wrote is gloomy but I don’t think that far wrong.

There were articles that were highly publiczed when they came out a few
years ago that looked at the ‘average’ corporation, not dot.com only or
the Fortune 500 but the typical corp. They concluded that if a
corporation were subject to the same psych evaluation as a person, most
corporations would fall into the definition of being psychopaths and if
the same laws that apply to people were also applied, most corporations
would be serving life in prison.

The main reason any corp exists is to make money for the shareholders.
Making the world a better place is not part of its purpose. This goes
back to those very long chain letters Brett posted about buying stock
in ATCO. The reason is to make a buck, nothing else.

It isn’t only the oil companies either. Load up the RIAA web site, the
RIAA is case you don’t know is the Recording Industry Association of
America. Their entire news section is nothing, nothing, nothing, not
one thing except their latest lawsuits. Not one exception. They could
replace ‘News’ and change it to ‘The latest list of people we are
suing’

Home

‘The internet is stealing money from the pockets of artists’ is their
line. Except there are very few artists who support this because the
RIAA has been stealing money from them for years. Sell 10 million CDs
and 95% goes to the RIAA for your first CD, slowly getting better if
you turn into a supergroup or big name.

At the same time the internet is ‘ruining the record business’, this
last year was the highest sales figures of CDs ever sold in all
history. They made more money the last year then they ever have.

With cheap high bandwidth and mass storage the MPAA Motion Picture
Association of America, has started to do the same thing.

What I disagree with is your version of that bible quote, ‘the meek
will inherit the earth’ The meek aren’t going to inherit anything
except a radioactive wasteland because this time it won’t be like all
the other times in history, it won’t matter if you’re in the middle of
nowhere and far away from civilization, the whole planet is going to
go.

To quote one of Patrick’s tag lines since he hasn’t said anything in
weeks either, ‘Merry Apocalypse and a Happy Kali Yuga’

.:vector:.

— Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Preston,

As far as I am aware total cost for Iraq after the
last congressional
approval of 100B came to 250B and climbing. Its utter
madness but
I guess the oil cartels don’t want to go down without
a fight while
they still have influence. The writting is on the wall
for them.
Unfortunately they will take evrybody else down with
them including
the environment..

There is no love in the major boardrooms, only the
bottom line.

Personally, I think the world is coming close to
nuclear war and I will
not be surprised when the first bomb is dropped.

There is an international crises and we seem powerless
to stop it.

However I draw repose when I think of the following:

“The last wll be first and the first will be last.”

i.e. those who have been shunned and suffered will be
taken
care of in the end.

Love & Light

Lee

— D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

On Monday, December 27, 2004, at 01:51 PM, Preston
Peet wrote:

Where is the genuine love and humanity for other
people and living
creatures?

certainly not sitting in the corporate board room.
nor in the white
house or weather mountain, for that matter.

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From: Jon Ludlam <seraphina@compuserve.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [ot] WWII Documentary
Date: December 28, 2004 at 2:24:18 PM EST
To: “INTERNET:ibogaine@mindvox.com” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Message text written by Lee
In school that is why I thought they taught History.

Seems like I was wrong.

Lee<

Dear Lee,

History is the lie commonly agreed upon.” (Voltaire)

History is is written by the victor (unknown)

Something like what is published about the alleged “evils” of Ibogaine.

Respectfully Yours,

Jon

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 28, 2004 at 11:41:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

As far as I am aware total cost for Iraq after the
last congressional
approval of 100B came to 250B and climbing. Its utter
madness but
I guess the oil cartels don’t want to go down without
a fight while
they still have influence. The writting is on the wall
for them.
Unfortunately they will take evrybody else down with
them including
the environment..

There is no love in the major boardrooms, only the
bottom line.

Personally, I think the world is coming close to
nuclear war and I will
not be surprised when the first bomb is dropped.

There is an international crises and we seem powerless
to stop it.

However I draw repose when I think of the following:

“The last wll be first and the first will be last.”

i.e. those who have been shunned and suffered will be
taken
care of in the end.

Love & Light

Lee

— D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

On Monday, December 27, 2004, at 01:51 PM, Preston
Peet wrote:

Where is the genuine love and humanity for other
people and living
creatures?

certainly not sitting in the corporate board room.
nor in the white
house or weather mountain, for that matter.

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to big pill
Date: December 28, 2004 at 2:06:00 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

=) F, don’t get me wrong, I’m for some reason able to
find the negative in just about anything, but jeez,
their was like one line in their about fight
training,, their was plenty on training on healing as
well.  What about the M*A*S*H (no pun intended) peeps
training etc…. where their is war their must be
healing…like in ying-yang…each when increasing in
dynamics plants the seed for the other.  Anyways, I
guess that means noone knows about the whole medical
mp3 thing, I found a few samples, but thats it.
Anatomy is required and I can use all the help I
can get.  Take care Brothers and Sisters.
-J

— The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:
“Video games also have much to offer the military,
said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at
the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt.
Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from
internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media,
I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive
and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill.
Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial
topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth
his cogent argument called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two
children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to
kill, started to investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many
of these killers never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior
marksmanship to trained army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the
fourteen year old boy who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight
shots on eight children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that
he had not fired a real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship
training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant
conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it,
the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War
between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with
old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British
who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the
Nintendo games available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball”
(snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free
semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to
get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the
deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at
surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its
power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of
their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work
under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe
will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on
Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements
taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over
from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never
heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder.
I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s
fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500
people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week
have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together
surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss
ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train
laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as
well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a
pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training
for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military,
said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at
the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you
train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make
all of
the other assessments they would be required to do
in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J.
Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t
respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of
value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was
The

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 27, 2004 at 7:29:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Monday, December 27, 2004, at 01:51 PM, Preston Peet wrote:

Where is the genuine love and humanity for other people and living creatures?

certainly not sitting in the corporate board room. nor in the white house or weather mountain, for that matter.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) totally bizzare
Date: December 27, 2004 at 6:51:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all. Totally off topic, but:
Anyone else see the disparity in giving $15 million (initially apparently, but still a pittance) for wave relief from yesterday’s disaster, and paying what, a $100 billion so far in Iraq (I think that’s the quoted number I’ve most recently seen) to bomb and otherwise kill people there?
As I’ve so often ask, what in the heck is wrong with the leaders of this country? Where is the genuine love and humanity for other people and living creatures?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [ot] WWII Documentary
Date: December 27, 2004 at 6:46:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi list,

Saw an interesting documentary tonight where Adolf H
ran for election in
Germany and garnered 2.5% approx. of the vote. Four
years and 8 months later
he garnered about 37% approx. and the President of
Germany Hindenburg refused
to allow him to be chancellor for what he stood.
Eventually though
he was persuaded by the business community that they
needed
a popular leader to restore the economy in a time of
crisis.

Apparently at the first election people didn’t vote
for him because they
thought he was a clown and a trouble maker.

What changed their minds?

Well, the Wall St crash devastated the German economy
and the country
became polarised into Pro-Soviets and Pro-Nazis with
the regular
conservatives in the middle. They are the ones who
made it possible for him
to become chancellor by insisting on the composition
of the cabinet
to be limited to 4 Nazis.

Well the rest is history and as we all know this clown
was responsible for a
war that killed 25 million(?).

The title of the documentary was called:

Learning from History.

In school that is why I thought they taught History.

Seems like I was wrong.

Lee

Julie – I join you in your condolences to the
thousands who have perished.

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 27, 2004 at 4:38:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It does all sound kind of awful and the only people I
see buying any of it are the military. I guess this
goes back to the question of why Bush is in office. I
think he probably represents what rich people and
companites want, to stay rich.

If it’s morally right to make money on this I think is
for everyone to answer for themselves.

Carla B

— D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

General Electric builds nuclear weapons and
toasters, among many other
things.

I don’t knowingly buy General Electric Products, and
would never invest
in their stock.

If I don’t speak my truth, then, what is truth?

something to hide under the covers?

like some gilded phallic rod? stroke-able only in
private?

something to be ashamed of… something to be afraid
of?

or something the agenda wants to shove under the
carpet?

I’m so excited to be bombarded by targeted sound
enticing me to
consume, more.

Walking by a soda machine and having fizzing soda
and crackling ice
erupt from within my head. I just can’t fucking
wait. There’s already a
storm brewing between my ears. Like I need more
voices in my head.

And soon to come… iris recognition sensors that
access my credit card
statements and customize in real-time a special
commercial message for
me: “Buy some more audio equipment. Or a new
FireWire Drive, you are
one block from the Apple store and RAM is on sale
today. Or… “There’s
a great Taqueria right around the corner…” Like I
need to be
encouraged to eat taco. Mas queso, por favor. Maybe
if I blink 3 times
my order will be ready when I reach the counter?
right down to the
salsa fresca and 16oz Horchata?

I’m so thrilled to know if I choose to voice my
opinion in peaceful
protest that the goon squad can scatter my rights
with blood curdling
sound that can destroy my hearing if I don’t submit
to the sonic cattle
prod within seconds. Or perhaps at a slightly
different frequency my
bowels will loosen beyond control and I’ll be
running from the city
park in search of a roll of paper, thoughts of peace
and freedom turned
fast into relief of abdominal cramps.

I just can’t fucking wait.

_.dh

On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 02:38 PM, Brett
Calabrese wrote:

“Its really too bad these technologies you seek to
profit from are
being
used as weapons.”

Too bad so many people are confinced ATCO and its
products are somehow
evil. There is no weapon capability in Neoplanar
or SFT – they are
speakers, just flat, no magnet, no cone, no box,
they don’t distort to
max volume (ie all the way to 1000 watts/133db for
Neo and is
basically a big heavy 20K technology for 1K that
is in a ribbon,
NeoPlanar is most often used for wide area
emergency notification.
They use very very little power for the volume and
space they put out,
they aver very environmentally friendly and
durable. HSS is a beam of
sound, the only weapon it may be is in
advertising, great for limiting
sound to a specific area, it is not a weapon. LRAD
is mostly a long
range communication device, just a very clear long
range speaker –
that the sound “CARRIES” because it is focused and
doesn’t bounce all
over the place, not because it is particularly
loud, voice is limited
to 120db max. The military has plenty of ways to
kill or harm people
and few ways to avoid that, LRAD is one way. So
far as I know the
“warning tone” that could be but is NOT INTENDED
TO BE and is NOT
DESIGNED TO BE and is NOT APPROVED TO BE used as a
weapon. Yes
would/could put down a prison riot rather
instantly and perhaps save
lives, it could also be used in search and rescue
because of its long
range, it could be used (and is) to ward off small
boats at long range
so going to investigate doesn’t get one blown to
bits, small LRADs (or
Shorter range HIDA based acoustic devices) could
have a
pan/tilt/camera set-up for security – to prevent
robberies or people
getting in an area – it isn’t going ot instantly
fry some kind brain
cell or cause pain – it is just talking,
voice, kike “HELLO, PLEASE
LEAVE THE AREA” and if it is your area, your
business, your security,
wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give them
a “warning tone”, or set
off a high volume NeoPlanar alarm so they leave
the area???

Just about anything and everything including the
“Good Book.Big Book”
and the “Name of God” can be and is used for evil
or good, sometimes
both depending on which side you happen to be
coming from. I do Reiki
(healing with hands), a friend of my fiancee
thinks it is “The work of
the Devil”, it is matter of perspective. I don’t
mean to rant,
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it
is 1 capability of 1
device that will only infrequently be used doesn’t
make a companys
technologies weapons. They are basically next
generation/paradigm
acoustics, it is like saying the guy who invented
laser (HSS/LRAD is
like sound laser) invented a weapon technology or
weapon, that might
be 1 use of the technology – LRAD is again, not
intended as a weapon –
meaning to harm anyone. I wish there was peace and
love all over the
place, but there isn’t. I don’t want to see more
poor innocent people
get hurt by REAL WEAPONS because they are in the
wrong place at the
wrong time and headed in the wrong direction  OR
it is really a car
bomber headed in your direction, that is what LRAD
does, communicate.
Sorry, it isn’t like “gee shucks the company I
invested in got the big
military contract”… that is how a lot of
progress in technology and
medicine is made, it just is and I got in front
of seeing ATCO, very
diliberately.

Brett
D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

Its really too bad these technologies you seek to
profit from are being
used as weapons.

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett
Calabrese wrote:

Seasons greetings,

I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking
forward to what the New
Year will bring. For me it will be many things,
one of them is the
financial freedom (and many problems it solves)
that I have waiting
for me. It is no accident, it was years and
countless hours doing
research to find just the right company to
invest in, a “Microsoft
of”… a company that owns a technology – there
have been a number,
superconductor company American Superconductor
(AMSC) is one, BLTI
(Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good
company, early yet. But I
then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  –
this is a gift, from me
to you – an opportunity, for “informational
purposes only”, do or
don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as
certain can be that
this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps
1000X returns in
1-2,
3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there
abouts, maybe half as good
in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as
long – that I can’t
tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of
here, if you are
interested and do stocks or maybe you just want
to open that ibogaine
clinic or have a kid you want to put through
college but don’t have
the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a
neighbor that bought 45
shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is
going to go wild (better
than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD,
HSS, Neoplanar, SFT
-particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on
society world-wide
like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to
do things with sound
that have never been able to be done before, in
fact deemed
impossible. ATCO is the next generation in
acoustics, a new
generation
of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda,
yadda, you get the
point)
and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have
this great tech but
need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now,
they have products and
sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced
yet) and increasing
on
only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really
started, there is some
NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC
system for Aircraft
Carrier flight decks.

IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is
going to be a number
of
what is called “splits”, where because of
growth, bigger company,
increased sales and price of the stock, the
price goes up and up,
eventually they issue splits, some number of
shares for each share
you
own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a
10:1, it didn’t take
long for 10 times the number of shares to catch
up to their original
price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with
every company, very,
very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just
started moving UP on
a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range
Acoustic Device) sale to
the
Military – it is one product has a non-lethal
capability, it is a
long
range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and
very clear, something
like having head-phones on, by far most of the
use is just
communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat,
or at a check-point,
to clear a bridge or building at range, it is
NOT approved or
intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close
range on people short
of being used along with lethal force in defense
of warships, suicide
car bombers racing towards a check-point… to
prevent the use of
lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot
warning shots with
guns,
if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the
occupants, sometimes
they are just innocent people that got scared
and tried to run, maybe
they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a
street sign? it
happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30
yards, LRAD is good
and
clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards
over water – it is not a
non-lethal device at those ranges, just a
communication device, as a
non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am
looking at the
brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe
someone thinks it is
Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak
your mind at the
Shareholders meeting (and make money while you
are at it), PETA did
that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought
a block of stock so
they could have a bigger voice in animal
experimentation at the
company.

Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a
bunch of money, ATCO
is going to split and split and split, that 45
shares will be worth
hundreds and then thousands of shares, not
unlike Microsoft but
starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my
last buy at 6.55, the
stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a
technical break-out on anumbe
of factors, the large Army order and 25 million
in financing.. If you
want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait
for the price to pull
back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit
and hold, be patient
and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely
to have a lot of
swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t
worry, it is more
likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your
money back, in time.
Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted
a lot of attention.

Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to
convince you of
anything
and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that
someone changed thier
life… do your own research, it is your money –
but to just say this
again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I
sure wouldn’t be
posting
this.

Brett

Some info to read and good luck – IMO,
opportunities like this, don’t
get better than this – it is as good as it gets,
I just can’t not
share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be
something close to the
stock of the decade – with just a little bit of
luck. As usual, it is
your money do your own due diligence (dd), I
know what the stock is
going to do but you need to know it for yourself
and invest for
yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of
growth, so if you see a
quick double and want to cash out, you could
have missed millions –
even on 100-couple hundred shares.

LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a
directional speaker, 15-30
degree beam

HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one
is like hearing
virtual
headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is
an emerging
advertising
product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is
working with SONY (who
wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new
products. HSS can make a
beam
or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off
a back wall – like a
flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t
hear an HSS beam till
it
hits something, range is 150 yards

NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker
technologies, They are
using Neoplanar speakers or wide area,
semi-directional sound,
emergency notification, hangar and flight
decks.Neo’s and SFT can run
at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are
capable of 133DB, a
1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160
degrees C (not F!),
continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or
less, no cone, no
magnets,
no distortion…

http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm

The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see
“Acoustic Hailing
Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the
IROS3 project, 147
Navy
ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s
each (go on warships).
at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual
LRADS for delivery in
FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/
ACSAS that uses 5
LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the
contract. There is
only
1 source for the “hailing devices”, American
Technology Corp – they
are in fact ATC LRAD’s.

New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order

http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html

Associated  Press version, shortly after the
stock took off for the
7’s

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html

ATC reports on growing LRAD business

http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html

And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was
posted on the SI board

SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC
DEVICE DEVELOPED BY
MAINE SMALL BUSINESS

American Technology Corporation in Topsham
Creates Communications
Equipment Used in Security Measures at
Republican Convention, 2004
Olympics and Operations in Iraq
Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
Friday, September 3, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. ز A strong supporter of the
Long Range Acoustic
Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies
Corporation in
Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine)
today hailed the
progress of the company as its acoustics and
force protection
technology were employed by security personnel
at the Republican
National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in
Athens, and in ongoing
military operations in the Middle East as
additional security
measures
upon U.S. Naval ships.

دI am so pleased with the success of the long
range acoustic device
system developed by American Technologies – a
Maine small business –
particularly as it aids our nationجs military in
their ongoing
operations. As American Technologies continues
to redefine the
advanced acoustic technology market, I will
continue to work with
them
to secure future opportunities, both militarily
and commercially,
that
will further demonstrate their excellent work,س
said Snowe, who is
chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.

Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing
distances that often exceed
700 meters over water to approaching vessels.
The devices transmit
concentrated audio waves to a specific target,
thereby maintaining
the
strength of the sound wave, rather than
dissipating the sound waves
over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs
fulfill the requirement
of
the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at
significant ranges to
alter their suspected routes through speaking
directly into a
microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages
available in almost
any language.

LRADs have been installed on Naval ships
stationed in the Middle East
in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS
Cole. Snowe, who
contacted the Navyجs Chief of Naval Research
Rear Admiral Jay Cohen
in
January to convey her support for the technology
being deployed with
military forces in Iraq, has been working with
the Navy in outfitting
LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to
its current domestic
security uses as demonstrated at the Republican
National Convention
in
New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs
are currently
employed by some private ferry and cruise ship
lines, including the
Queen Mary 2.

دAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD
technology is an innovative
means to maintain civil order and control. From
the Republican
Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in
Athens, the security
teams for these national and international
events were greatly
assisted by the LRAD system in managing and
communicating with the
large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of
American Technologies
as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD
system to the
commercial market,س continued Snowe.

American Technologies Corporation, with
facilities in both San Diego,
CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its
LRAD technology
specifically for government and military
applications. The concept of
using this technology as a force protection tool
was originally
conceived within the Advanced Technology
directorate at Bath Iron
Works. Systems engineering, new product
development and refinement of
current acoustic products are all completed at
the Topsham facility.

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 27, 2004 at 3:47:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

General Electric builds nuclear weapons and toasters, among many other things.

I don’t knowingly buy General Electric Products, and would never invest in their stock.

If I don’t speak my truth, then, what is truth?

something to hide under the covers?

like some gilded phallic rod? stroke-able only in private?

something to be ashamed of… something to be afraid of?

or something the agenda wants to shove under the carpet?

I’m so excited to be bombarded by targeted sound enticing me to consume, more.

Walking by a soda machine and having fizzing soda and crackling ice erupt from within my head. I just can’t fucking wait. There’s already a storm brewing between my ears. Like I need more voices in my head.

And soon to come… iris recognition sensors that access my credit card statements and customize in real-time a special commercial message for me: “Buy some more audio equipment. Or a new FireWire Drive, you are one block from the Apple store and RAM is on sale today. Or… “There’s a great Taqueria right around the corner…” Like I need to be encouraged to eat taco. Mas queso, por favor. Maybe if I blink 3 times my order will be ready when I reach the counter? right down to the salsa fresca and 16oz Horchata?

I’m so thrilled to know if I choose to voice my opinion in peaceful protest that the goon squad can scatter my rights with blood curdling sound that can destroy my hearing if I don’t submit to the sonic cattle prod within seconds. Or perhaps at a slightly different frequency my bowels will loosen beyond control and I’ll be running from the city park in search of a roll of paper, thoughts of peace and freedom turned fast into relief of abdominal cramps.

I just can’t fucking wait.

_.dh

On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 02:38 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

“Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being
used as weapons.”

Too bad so many people are confinced ATCO and its products are somehow evil. There is no weapon capability in Neoplanar or SFT – they are speakers, just flat, no magnet, no cone, no box, they don’t distort to max volume (ie all the way to 1000 watts/133db for Neo and is basically a big heavy 20K technology for 1K that is in a ribbon, NeoPlanar is most often used for wide area emergency notification.  They use very very little power for the volume and space they put out, they aver very environmentally friendly and durable. HSS is a beam of sound, the only weapon it may be is in advertising, great for limiting sound to a specific area, it is not a weapon. LRAD is mostly a long range communication device, just a very clear long range speaker – that the sound “CARRIES” because it is focused and doesn’t bounce all over the place, not because it is particularly loud, voice is limited to 120db max. The military has plenty of ways to kill or harm people and few ways to avoid that, LRAD is one way. So far as I know the “warning tone” that could be but is NOT INTENDED TO BE and is NOT DESIGNED TO BE and is NOT APPROVED TO BE used as a weapon. Yes  would/could put down a prison riot rather instantly and perhaps save lives, it could also be used in search and rescue because of its long range, it could be used (and is) to ward off small boats at long range so going to investigate doesn’t get one blown to bits, small LRADs (or Shorter range HIDA based acoustic devices) could have a pan/tilt/camera set-up for security – to prevent robberies or people getting in an area – it isn’t going ot instantly fry some kind brain cell or cause pain – it is just talking, voice, kike “HELLO, PLEASE LEAVE THE AREA” and if it is your area, your business, your security, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give them a “warning tone”, or set off a high volume NeoPlanar alarm so they leave the area???

Just about anything and everything including the “Good Book.Big Book” and the “Name of God” can be and is used for evil or good, sometimes both depending on which side you happen to be coming from. I do Reiki (healing with hands), a friend of my fiancee thinks it is “The work of the Devil”, it is matter of perspective. I don’t mean to rant, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it is 1 capability of 1 device that will only infrequently be used doesn’t make a companys technologies weapons. They are basically next generation/paradigm acoustics, it is like saying the guy who invented laser (HSS/LRAD is like sound laser) invented a weapon technology or weapon, that might be 1 use of the technology – LRAD is again, not intended as a weapon – meaning to harm anyone. I wish there was peace and love all over the place, but there isn’t. I don’t want to see more poor innocent people get hurt by REAL WEAPONS because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time and headed in the wrong direction  OR it is really a car bomber headed in your direction, that is what LRAD does, communicate. Sorry, it isn’t like “gee shucks the company I invested in got the big military contract”… that is how a lot of progress in technology and medicine is made, it just is and I got in front of seeing ATCO, very diliberately.

Brett
D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being
used as weapons.

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

> Seasons greetings,
>
> I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New
> Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the
> financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting
> for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing
> research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft
> of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number,
> superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI
> (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I
> then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me
> to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or
> don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that
> this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2,
> 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good
> in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t
> tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are
> interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine
> clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have
> the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45
> shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better
> than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT
> -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide
> like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound
> that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed
> impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation
> of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point)
> and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but
> need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and
> sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on
> only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some
> NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft
> Carrier flight decks.
>
> IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of
> what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company,
> increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up,
> eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you
> own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take
> long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original
> price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very,
> very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on
> a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the
> Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long
> range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something
> like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just
> communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point,
> to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or
> intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short
> of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide
> car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of
> lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns,
> if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes
> they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe
> they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it
> happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and
> clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a
> non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a
> non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the
> brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is
> Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the
> Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did
> that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so
> they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the
> company.
>
> Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO
> is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth
> hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but
> starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the
> stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe
> of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you
> want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull
> back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient
> and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of
> swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more
> likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time.
> Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.
>
> Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything
> and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier
> life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this
> again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting
> this.
>
> Brett
>
> Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t
> get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not
> share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the
> stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is
> your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is
> going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for
> yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a
> quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions –
> even on 100-couple hundred shares.
>
> LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30
> degree beam
>
> HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual
> headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising
> product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who
> wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam
> or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a
> flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it
> hits something, range is 150 yards
>
> NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are
> using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound,
> emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run
> at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a
> 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!),
> continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets,
> no distortion…
>
> http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm
>
> The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing
> Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy
> ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships).
> at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in
> FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5
> LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only
> 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they
> are in fact ATC LRAD’s.
>
> New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order
>
> http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html
>
> Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html
>
> ATC reports on growing LRAD business
>
> http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html
>
> And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board
>
> SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY
> MAINE SMALL BUSINESS
>
> American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications
> Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004
> Olympics and Operations in Iraq
> Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
> Friday, September 3, 2004
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. Ò A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic
> Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in
> Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the
> progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection
> technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican
> National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing
> military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures
> upon U.S. Naval ships.
>
> ÏI am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device
> system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business –
> particularly as it aids our nationÌs military in their ongoing
> operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the
> advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them
> to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that
> will further demonstrate their excellent work,Ó said Snowe, who is
> chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.
>
> Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed
> 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit
> concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the
> strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves
> over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of
> the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to
> alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a
> microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost
> any language.
>
> LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East
> in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who
> contacted the NavyÌs Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in
> January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with
> military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting
> LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic
> security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in
> New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently
> employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the
> Queen Mary 2.
>
> ÏAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative
> means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican
> Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security
> teams for these national and international events were greatly
> assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the
> large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies
> as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the
> commercial market,Ó continued Snowe.
>
> American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego,
> CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology
> specifically for government and military applications. The concept of
> using this technology as a force protection tool was originally
> conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron
> Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of
> current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Prayers and support to victims of tsunami and their families
Date: December 27, 2004 at 2:27:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My thoughts, prayers, and deepest condolences go out
to the families and friends of the 22,000+ victims of
the recent tsunami.

I am deeply saddened by this event- it is almost
unparalleled in its devastation and destruction…

love Julie

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna
Date: December 27, 2004 at 12:34:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI
Thanks for getting back to me I used subutex before does the suboxone block effects of gear and do you know if you can take it with subutex????????????
love donna

From: “” <thethird@myway.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Donna
Date: December 27, 2004 at 11:06:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Donna, I am on suboxone now, but am using it as more of a maintenance thing as opposed to detox. I did Ibogaine awhile ago and that helped me to break the dope cycle, but I just wasn’t ready to go totally without opiates and knew deep down that if I didn’t go on a maintenance treatment that I would be back using again. The Ibogaine helped me realize what I needed to change in myself, and the suboxone is keeping me from using dope until I can make those changes. If you have tried using suboxone before and it worked, then maybe it would be a good idea to try it again until you can save up the money to do the Ibo. I have heard suboxone is easier than methadone to come off of and since you won’t be spending money on dope everyday, maybe you can put some $$ aside for ibo. I think it is almost time for me to stop the suboxone, but I don’t regret using it. It definitely made it easier to focus on what I needed to do to get myself in the right position. Good Luck, I’d like to know what you decide to do.

— On Sun 12/26, < AbbotAngel@aol.com > wrote:
From: [mailto: AbbotAngel@aol.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:54:46 EST
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more on hypoism

Hi List

Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed clean for a year and started using again. I wondered what dose to start with last time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high. I would appreciate any advice. Jasen keep up the good work you are my inspiration this is definately going to be your year

love donna

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (sorta ot) Fw: [DrugWar] UK: Guinea Pig Kids
Date: December 27, 2004 at 8:35:51 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Tim Meehan” <fc697@ncf.ca>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>; <cmap@mapinc.org>; <ccc-members@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] UK: Guinea Pig Kids

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm

New York’s HIV experiment
By Jamie Doran
Reporter/producer, Guinea Pig Kids

HIV positive children and their loved ones have few rights if they
choose to battle with social work authorities in New York City.

Jacklyn Hoerger’s job was to treat children with HIV at a New York
children’s home.

But nobody had told her that the drugs she was administering were
experimental and highly toxic.

“We were told that if they were vomiting, if they lost their ability to
walk, if they were having diarrhoea, if they were dying, then all of
this was because of their HIV infection.”

In fact it was the drugs that were making the children ill and the
children had been enrolled on the secret trials without their
relatives’ or guardians’ knowledge.

As Jacklyn would later discover, those who tried to take the children
off the drugs risked losing them into care.

The BBC asked the Alliance for Human Research Protection about their
view on the drug trials.

GUINEA PIG KIDS
Tuesday, 30 November, 2004
1930 GMT on BBC Two (UK)

Spokesperson Vera Sherav said: “They tested these highly experimental
drugs. Why didn’t they provide the children with the current best
treatment? That’s the question we have.

“Why did they expose them to risk and pain, when they were helpless?

“Would they have done those experiments with their own children? I
doubt it.”

Power and authority

When I first heard the story of the “guinea pig kids”, I instinctively
refused to believe that it could be happening in any civilised country,
particularly the United States, where the propensity for legal action
normally ensures a high level of protection.

But that, as I was to discover, was central to the choice of location
and subjects, because to be free in New York City, you need money.

I’ve had many ACS case workers tell me: ‘We’re ACS, we can do whatever
we want’
David Lansner, family lawyer

Over 23,000 of the city’s children are either in foster care or
independent homes run mostly by religious organisations on behalf of
the local authorities and almost 99% are black or hispanic.

Some of these kids come from “crack” mothers and have been infected
with the HIV virus. For over a decade, this became the target group for
experimentation involving cocktails of toxic drugs.

Central to this story is the city’s child welfare department, the
Administration for Children’s Services (ACS).

The ACS, as it is known, was granted far-reaching powers in the 1990s
by then-Republican Mayor Rudi Giuliani, after a particularly horrific
child killing.

Within the shortest of periods, literally thousands of children were
being rounded up and placed in foster care.

“They’re essentially out of control,” said family lawyer David
Lansner. “I’ve had many ACS case workers tell me: ‘We’re ACS, we can do
whatever we want’ and they usually get away with it.”

Having taken children into care, the ACS was now, effectively, their
parent and could do just about anything it wished with them.

‘Serious side-effects’

One of the homes to which HIV positive children were taken was the
Incarnation Children’s Center, a large, expensively refurbished red-
bricked building set back from the sidewalk in a busy Harlem street.

It is owned by the Catholic church and when we attempted to talk to
officials at Incarnation we were referred to an equally expensive
Manhattan public relations company, which then refused to comment on
activities within the home.

Hardly surprising, when we already knew that highly controversial and
secretive drug experiments had been conducted on orphans and foster
children as young as three months old.

We asked Dr David Rasnick, visiting scholar at the University of
Berkeley, for his opinion on some of the experiments.

He said: “We’re talking about serious, serious side-effects. These
children are going to be absolutely miserable. They’re going to have
cramps, diarrhoea and their joints are going to swell up. They’re going
to roll around the ground and you can’t touch them.”

He went on to describe some of the drugs – supplied by major drug
manufacturers including Glaxo SmithKline – as “lethal”.

When approached by the BBC, Glaxo SmithKline said such trials must have
stringent standards and be conducted strictly in accordance with local
regulations.

Battle of wills

At Incarnation, if a child refused to take the medicines offered, he or
she was force-fed through a peg-tube inserted into the stomach.

Critics of the trials say children should have been volunteered to test
drugs by their parents.

When Jacklyn Hoerger later fostered two children from the home where
she used to work with a view to adopting them, she discovered just how
powerful the ACS was.

“It was a Saturday morning and they had come a few times unannounced,”
she said. “So when I opened the door I invited them in and they said
that this wasn’t a happy visit. At that point they told me that they
were taking the children away. I was in shock.”

Jacklyn, a trained paediatric nurse, had taken the fatal step of taking
the children off the drugs, which had resulted in an immediate boost to
their health and happiness.

As a result she was branded a child abuser in court. She has not been
allowed to see the children since.

In the film Guinea Pig Kids, we follow Jacklyn’s story and that of
other parents or guardians who fear for the lives of their loved ones.

We talk to a child who spent years on drugs programmes which made them
and their friends ill, and we discover that Incarnation is not an
isolated case. The experiments continue to be carried out on the poor
children of New York City.

Guinea Pig Kids was broadcast on Tuesday, 30 November, 2004, at 1930
GMT on BBC Two (UK).

Tim Meehan
NORML Canada, Ottawa
tim@norml.ca / 613-230-1937

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
Date: December 27, 2004 at 8:32:35 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love these games.
Darn it, am I going to suddenly wake up a killer now?
Egad, I’m doomed…errr, no, that’s not right, haven’t played the new Doom yet, so I’m not actually doomed, not yet, but I do have a Halo, or at least rented Halo 2 not so long ago and had a ball with it.
Blaming videogames for social and youth violence isn’t any more valid (in my opinion anyway) than blaming Catcher in the Rye or Naked Lunch is.
And having known kids, myself included, who did very well with firearms, (in my case, winning the Best Shot in my high school the one and only year I entered the competition, my sophmore year of High School, and both my brother and I earning our Rifle and Shotgun meritbadges in boy scouts, which takes a lot of very accurate firing, which wasn’t easy for two kids who weren’t allowed to have even toy guns in our home, much less real firearms), and were never allowed to play most videogames either (and none of today’s games even existed for that matter), I’m wondering where my brother and I got our accuracy skills from. We both had extremely limited firearms experience, next to none really with no firearms whatsoever allowed in our house (my one pellet gun having been bought and kept hidden from my ‘rents by me during my last year in high school which gave me little to no practice in shooting), and yet we both were “naturals,” and did very well from the first day we ever fired a firearm.
I don’t suppose their parents dropping bombs and poisons on foreign countries (not to mention burning up Branch Davidians and dropping bombs on MOVE) have anything to do with kids’ alleged violent tendencies today? (are kids really more violent today than in days of yore anywho?)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old boy who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired a real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

—– Original Message —– From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna.
Date: December 27, 2004 at 5:41:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen

I know its just getting the cash together for the ibogaine, if i had it i would be doing it today!!!!
keep up the good work and i will keep you posted
love donna

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna.
Date: December 27, 2004 at 5:38:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Donna,

I think buprenorphine is most definitely easier
to come off than Methadone,..as you know.

Donna,..in my humble opinion,we need to get rid
of the underlying cause,..so it becomes easier
not to relapse.

For me, Iboga/Ibogaine took a lot of the underlying
reasons away.

It is like it gives me a clearer choice,..I can cut through
all the bullsh*t. It seemed to heal from the inside out,..
not completely,..but enough.

Day 41,..I am in love with everything.
My body is still a big baby,..my nervous system is to alive.
I am feeling a lot stronger,..though I tire easily.

No nicotine,.though I wouldn’t mind a ciggie now and again,
I am smoking cannabis,..it helps big time with the tiny withdrawals.
No heroin…not interested,no craving. Of course no Methadone.
The sugar (over the top) addiction,..gone.No craving for sugar
until I see a deadly desert at a coffee shop, I will think Mmmm
but the no choice is easy.

I think going on to the buep is a great idea if you are
using and choose not to.

Love Jasen.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more on hypoism

Hi List

Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed clean for a year and started using again.  I wondered what dose to start with last time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high.  I would appreciate any advice.  Jasen keep up the good work you are my inspiration this is definately going to be your year

love donna

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to Ron
Date: December 26, 2004 at 10:26:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i go to meetings at least 2 x’s a week, aa b/c they are more mainstream. don’t want to act like a junkie, want to be a regular guy. thanks for the post. i’m hard on my self and my character defects are a bitch, honesty, fear, self pity.  i have a long ways to go , this relapse took me way back. thanks to all.  really ashamed about the whining i did early on. slap me if i do it again. i really do have a lot to make up. got some amends  that may not take.  lost friends, you know the drill, peace ron, my career is in jeopardy, I put it there and may lose it before it’s over.  i beat it with the help of others yrs ago and screwed it good this last go around. the wolf is still at the door.
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to Ron

Hi Ron !!
You are doing good ,man.!!
One thing that helped me at the begining of my sobriety where slogans . Like
Keep it simple.
First thing first
Easy does it
One day at the time
Think
Now ,a re you going to  meetings ?
In my humble opinion a group support is very important because addicts and
alcoholics have the tendencie to isolate and at the begining we have to put
sometimes a real effort to go to meetings, no matter what !!

How many hours do you had to spend in college to be an Attorney ?
So how many hours are you willing to invest to learnt how to live sober,
joyous and free. ?
This is the whole point. This simple and clear.

Yesterday a friend of mine was the speaker at our meeting. This friend (
Bill ) at the end of his carriere of drugs addict and drunk called the
hospital to check if they had a good dermatoligst to remove the big  bugs
that he had all over his body.
_ They told him : ” yes, take a cab and come right away !! ”
After, a small “vacation” in the coucou’s nest  ( 5 days ) he came to AA and
had been sober since 🙂 ( 17 years ).
Now, this guy comes everyday to a meeting in the evening, then he go to work
as a bartender in one of the crazyest place in town. I have another friend
that had to learnt how to walk ( he spent the last year of his drinking in
his bed )
Another friend  had to learnt how to talk ( he was living in New Orleans,
like a dog, behind a dumpster ).
Ron, you are smart, articulate, bright in a dark place and  you have a good
paper on the wall.

Don’t wait….

Don’t let your “convincing intelligence” or the black wolf  take away your
right to peace and serenity.

You are a good man doing, now, the next right thing and if it’s rought ,at
time, remember that too shall pass….
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list

thanks francis, i could use some sobriety and be pretty happy. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list

> Happy holliday for all the members of this list and for all the one who
> are
> not.
> Good Bless
> Francis
>
> Let’s hope for peace for 2005
>
>
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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 26, 2004 at 9:42:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh goodness, I can see it now, a whole generation of extremely deaf people!!!!!
Lol
Kirk
From: Brett Calabrese [mailto:bcalabrese@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, 27 December 2004 1:38 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)

“Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being 
used as weapons.”

Too bad so many people are confinced ATCO and its products are somehow evil. There is no weapon capability in Neoplanar or SFT – they are speakers, just flat, no magnet, no cone, no box, they don’t distort to max volume (ie all the way to 1000 watts/133db for Neo and is basically a big heavy 20K technology for 1K that is in a ribbon, NeoPlanar is most often used for wide area emergency notification.  They use very very little power for the volume and space they put out, they aver very environmentally friendly and durable. HSS is a beam of sound, the only weapon it may be is in advertising, great for limiting sound to a specific area, it is not a weapon. LRAD is mostly a long range communication device, just a very clear long range speaker – that the sound “CARRIES” because it is focused and doesn’t bounce all over the place, not because it is particularly loud, voice is limited to 120db max. The military has plenty of ways to kill or harm people and few ways to avoid that, LRAD is one way. So far as I know the “warning tone” that could be but is NOT INTENDED TO BE and is NOT DESIGNED TO BE and is NOT APPROVED TO BE used as a weapon. Yes  would/could put down a prison riot rather instantly and perhaps save lives, it could also be used in search and rescue because of its long range, it could be used (and is) to ward off small boats at long range so going to investigate doesn’t get one blown to bits, small LRADs (or Shorter range HIDA based acoustic devices) could have a pan/tilt/camera set-up for security – to prevent robberies or people getting in an area – it isn’t going ot instantly fry some kind brain cell or cause pain – it is just talking, voice, kike “HELLO, PLEASE LEAVE THE AREA” and if it is your area, your business, your security, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give them a “warning tone”, or set off a high volume NeoPlanar alarm so they leave the area???

Just about anything and everything including the “Good Book.Big Book” and the “Name of God” can be and is used for evil or good, sometimes both depending on which side you happen to be coming from. I do Reiki (healing with hands), a friend of my fiancee thinks it is “The work of the Devil”, it is matter of perspective. I don’t mean to rant, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it is 1 capability of 1 device that will only infrequently be used doesn’t make a companys technologies weapons. They are basically next generation/paradigm acoustics, it is like saying the guy who invented laser (HSS/LRAD is like sound laser) invented a weapon technology or weapon, that might be 1 use of the technology – LRAD is again, not intended as a weapon – meaning to harm anyone. I wish there was peace and love all over the place, but there isn’t. I don’t want to see more poor innocent people get hurt by REAL WEAPONS because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time and headed in the wrong direction  OR it is really a car bomber headed in your direction, that is what LRAD does, communicate. Sorry, it isn’t like “gee shucks the company I invested in got the big military contract”… that is how a lot of progress in technology and medicine is made, it just is and I got in front of seeing ATCO, very diliberately.

Brett

D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:
Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being 
used as weapons.

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

> Seasons greetings,
>  
> I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New 
> Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the 
> financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting 
> for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing 
> research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft 
> of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number, 
> superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI 
> (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I 
> then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me 
> to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or 
> don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that 
> this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2, 
> 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good 
> in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t 
> tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are 
> interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine 
> clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have 
> the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45 
> shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better 
> than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT 
> -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide 
> like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound 
> that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed 
> impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation 
> of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point) 
> and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but 
> need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and 
> sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on 
> only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some 
> NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft 
> Carrier flight decks.
>  
> IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of 
> what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company, 
> increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up, 
> eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you 
> own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take 
> long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original 
> price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very, 
> very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on 
> a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the 
> Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long 
> range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something 
> like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just 
> communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point, 
> to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or 
> intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short 
> of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide 
> car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of 
> lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns, 
> if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes 
> they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe 
> they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it 
> happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and 
> clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a 
> non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a 
> non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the 
> brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is 
> Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the 
> Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did 
> that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so 
> they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the 
> company.
>  
> Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO 
> is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth 
> hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but 
> starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the 
> stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe 
> of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you 
> want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull 
> back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient 
> and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of 
> swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more 
> likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time. 
> Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.
>  
> Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything 
> and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier 
> life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this 
> again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting 
> this.
>  
> Brett
>  
> Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t 
> get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not 
> share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the 
> stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is 
> your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is 
> going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for 
> yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a 
> quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions – 
> even on 100-couple hundred shares.
>  
> LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30 
> degree beam
>  
> HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual 
> headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising 
> product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who 
> wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam 
> or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a 
> flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it 
> hits something, range is 150 yards
>  
> NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are 
> using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound, 
> emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run 
> at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a 
> 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!), 
> continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets, 
> no distortion…
>  
> http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm
>  
> The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing 
> Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy 
> ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships). 
> at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in 
> FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5 
> LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only 
> 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they 
> are in fact ATC LRAD’s.
>  
> New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order
>  
> http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html
>  
> Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s
>  
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html
>  
> ATC reports on growing LRAD business
>  
> http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html
>  
> And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board
>  
> SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY 
> MAINE SMALL BUSINESS
>
> American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications 
> Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004 
> Olympics and Operations in Iraq
> Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
> Friday, September 3, 2004
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. ñ A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic 
> Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in 
> Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the 
> progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection 
> technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican 
> National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing 
> military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures 
> upon U.S. Naval ships.
>
> ìI am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device 
> system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business – 
> particularly as it aids our nationís military in their ongoing 
> operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the 
> advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them 
> to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that 
> will further demonstrate their excellent work,î said Snowe, who is 
> chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.
>
> Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed 
> 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit 
> concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the 
> strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves 
> over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of 
> the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to 
> alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a 
> microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost 
> any language.
>
> LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East 
> in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who 
> contacted the Navyís Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in 
> January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with 
> military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting 
> LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic 
> security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in 
> New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently 
> employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the 
> Queen Mary 2.
>
> ìAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative 
> means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican 
> Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security 
> teams for these national and international events were greatly 
> assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the 
> large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies 
> as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the 
> commercial market,î continued Snowe.
>
> American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego, 
> CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology 
> specifically for government and military applications. The concept of 
> using this technology as a force protection tool was originally 
> conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron 
> Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of 
> current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.
>  
>  
>  
>
>
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 26, 2004 at 7:38:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being
used as weapons.”

Too bad so many people are confinced ATCO and its products are somehow evil. There is no weapon capability in Neoplanar or SFT – they are speakers, just flat, no magnet, no cone, no box, they don’t distort to max volume (ie all the way to 1000 watts/133db for Neo and is basically a big heavy 20K technology for 1K that is in a ribbon, NeoPlanar is most often used for wide area emergency notification.  They use very very little power for the volume and space they put out, they aver very environmentally friendly and durable. HSS is a beam of sound, the only weapon it may be is in advertising, great for limiting sound to a specific area, it is not a weapon. LRAD is mostly a long range communication device, just a very clear long range speaker – that the sound “CARRIES” because it is focused and doesn’t bounce all over the place, not because it is particularly loud, voice is limited to 120db max. The military has plenty of ways to kill or harm people and few ways to avoid that, LRAD is one way. So far as I know the “warning tone” that could be but is NOT INTENDED TO BE and is NOT DESIGNED TO BE and is NOT APPROVED TO BE used as a weapon. Yes  would/could put down a prison riot rather instantly and perhaps save lives, it could also be used in search and rescue because of its long range, it could be used (and is) to ward off small boats at long range so going to investigate doesn’t get one blown to bits, small LRADs (or Shorter range HIDA based acoustic devices) could have a pan/tilt/camera set-up for security – to prevent robberies or people getting in an area – it isn’t going ot instantly fry some kind brain cell or cause pain – it is just talking, voice, kike “HELLO, PLEASE LEAVE THE AREA” and if it is your area, your business, your security, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give them a “warning tone”, or set off a high volume NeoPlanar alarm so they leave the area???

Just about anything and everything including the “Good Book.Big Book” and the “Name of God” can be and is used for evil or good, sometimes both depending on which side you happen to be coming from. I do Reiki (healing with hands), a friend of my fiancee thinks it is “The work of the Devil”, it is matter of perspective. I don’t mean to rant, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but it is 1 capability of 1 device that will only infrequently be used doesn’t make a companys technologies weapons. They are basically next generation/paradigm acoustics, it is like saying the guy who invented laser (HSS/LRAD is like sound laser) invented a weapon technology or weapon, that might be 1 use of the technology – LRAD is again, not intended as a weapon – meaning to harm anyone. I wish there was peace and love all over the place, but there isn’t. I don’t want to see more poor innocent people get hurt by REAL WEAPONS because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time and headed in the wrong direction  OR it is really a car bomber headed in your direction, that is what LRAD does, communicate. Sorry, it isn’t like “gee shucks the company I invested in got the big military contract”… that is how a lot of progress in technology and medicine is made, it just is and I got in front of seeing ATCO, very diliberately.

Brett
D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:
Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being
used as weapons.

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

> Seasons greetings,
>
> I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New
> Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the
> financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting
> for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing
> research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft
> of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number,
> superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI
> (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I
> then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me
> to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or
> don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that
> this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2,
> 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good
> in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t
> tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are
> interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine
> clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have
> the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45
> shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better
> than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT
> -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide
> like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound
> that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed
> impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation
> of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point)
> and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but
> need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and
> sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on
> only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some
> NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft
> Carrier flight decks.
>
> IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of
> what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company,
> increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up,
> eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you
> own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take
> long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original
> price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very,
> very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on
> a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the
> Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long
> range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something
> like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just
> communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point,
> to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or
> intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short
> of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide
> car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of
> lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns,
> if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes
> they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe
> they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it
> happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and
> clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a
> non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a
> non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the
> brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is
> Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the
> Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did
> that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so
> they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the
> company.
>
> Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO
> is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth
> hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but
> starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the
> stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe
> of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you
> want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull
> back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient
> and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of
> swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more
> likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time.
> Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.
>
> Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything
> and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier
> life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this
> again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting
> this.
>
> Brett
>
> Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t
> get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not
> share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the
> stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is
> your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is
> going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for
> yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a
> quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions –
> even on 100-couple hundred shares.
>
> LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30
> degree beam
>
> HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual
> headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising
> product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who
> wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam
> or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a
> flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it
> hits something, range is 150 yards
>
> NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are
> using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound,
> emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run
> at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a
> 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!),
> continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets,
> no distortion…
>
> http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm
>
> The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing
> Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy
> ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships).
> at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in
> FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5
> LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only
> 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they
> are in fact ATC LRAD’s.
>
> New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order
>
> http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html
>
> Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html
>
> ATC reports on growing LRAD business
>
> http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html
>
> And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board
>
> SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY
> MAINE SMALL BUSINESS
>
> American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications
> Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004
> Olympics and Operations in Iraq
> Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
> Friday, September 3, 2004
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. ñ A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic
> Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in
> Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the
> progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection
> technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican
> National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing
> military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures
> upon U.S. Naval ships.
>
> ìI am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device
> system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business –
> particularly as it aids our nationís military in their ongoing
> operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the
> advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them
> to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that
> will further demonstrate their excellent work,î said Snowe, who is
> chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.
>
> Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed
> 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit
> concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the
> strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves
> over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of
> the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to
> alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a
> microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost
> any language.
>
> LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East
> in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who
> contacted the Navyís Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in
> January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with
> military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting
> LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic
> security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in
> New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently
> employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the
> Queen Mary 2.
>
> ìAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative
> means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican
> Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security
> teams for these national and international events were greatly
> assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the
> large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies
> as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the
> commercial market,î continued Snowe.
>
> American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego,
> CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology
> specifically for government and military applications. The concept of
> using this technology as a force protection tool was originally
> conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron
> Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of
> current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Learning to kill
Date: December 26, 2004 at 7:29:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.

Yeap, you bet , This remember me of a study by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman from
West Point, here is a review of his book I took from internet

Whenever I talk on the influence of the mass media, I quote Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman because he has given us the most definitive and the clearest
insight into how the media teaches children to kill. Movieguide® has
published his exhaustive article on this crucial topic. Now, Lt. Col. Dave
Grossman has written a book clearly setting forth his cogent argument called
Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.

After the Jonesboro Arkansas killings by two children, Lt. Col. Grossman,
who taught officers candidates at West Point to kill, started to investigate
the mass killing of children and others by children.

He found out some startling things. First, that many of these killers never
used a gun before, yet they exhibited superior marksmanship to trained army
professionals. For instance, Michael Carneal, the fourteen year old boy who
shot up the prayer group in Paducha, KY, fired eight shots on eight children
and had eight hits. Experts were amazed to find that he had not fired a real
gun before. Where did he get his marksmanship training? Video games.

Lt. Col. Grossman shows that without the operant conditioning of the video
game, a soldier’s kill rate is about 15%. With it, the kill rate increases
to 90%. Thus, in the recent 1982 Falklands War between Argentina and Great
Britain, the Argentines who trained with old-fashioned bull’s-eye type
targets, had a 15% kill rate, whereas the British who trained with
sophisticated computer games, adapted from the Nintendo games available to
your kids, had a 90% kill rate.

God blees

F

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From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater..”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”. Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity..90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
– A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66050,00.html
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Dr. Hurwitz’s Legal Defense Fund
Date: December 26, 2004 at 6:59:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Conflict Over Pain Management Heats Up as Mainstream Medical Groups Wake Up
12/24/04
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/368/conflict.shtml The long-simmering
battle between federal drug law enforcers and pain management doctors,
patients,
and academics over the proper use of opioid pain medications such as
Oxycontin
is turning white hot. Between the Drug Enforcement Administration’s (DEA)
sudden reversal on a years-long collaborative effort with academic pain
specialists over what constitutes acceptable opioid prescribing (
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/365/faq.shtml) and the recent successful
Justice Department
prosecution of nationally known pain treatment pioneer Dr. William Hurwitz,
mainstream medical organizations and personalities that had up until now been
quietly complacent have begun to go on the offensive.

With tens of millions of Americans suffering from chronic pain and federal
drug enforcers hell-bent on cracking down on what they term an “epidemic” of
prescription drug diversion and abuse, pain patients and doctors have been
caught
in the middle. The crisis in pain treatment has been building for years, as
zealous state and federal prosecutors go after pain treatment doctors they
accuse of being no better than drug dealers. Doctors, unsurprisingly, are
proving
increasingly reluctant to prescribe opioid pain relievers or even to treat
pain patients with opioids for fear of spending the rest of their lives in
prison, a fate that has already befallen some doctors and one that Dr.
Hurwitz faces
when he is sentenced in March.

Pain doctors, patients and advocates fought back on several fronts this
month. This week, three major medical associations representing pain
specialists
harshly and publicly criticized the DEA’s sudden reversal on the prescribing
guidelines for opioids. Those guidelines, which took the form of a “Pain
FAQ,”
were the result of a multi-year collaboration between the DEA and academic
pain
specialists. They were posted on the DEA web site in August, but jerked down
again weeks later without notice to the academics and replaced shortly
thereafter with revised guidelines that stiffened the DEA’s attitude toward
what it
termed improper prescribing. The letter, signed by the presidents of the
American Pain Society (APS), the American Academy of Pain Medicine (AAPM),
and the
American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) called the new DEA policy
guidelines “an unfortunate step backward” that will only lead to “an
adversarial
relationship between doctors and the DEA.”

The DEA responded with a statement from spokesman Bill Grant, who said the
agency “wishes to reassure the public that the withdrawal of the August
statement does not represent any change in DEA’s investigative emphasis or
approach.
Physicians acting in good faith and in accordance with established medical
norms should remain confident that they may continue to dispense appropriate
pain
medications.”

Drug czar John Walters also attempted to address the growing controversy. At
a Tuesday press conference, Walters told reporters that “synthetic opioids
are
of enormous medical benefit for people,” but undercut himself with pain
advocates by going on to say that among the doctors prosecuted as Dr.
Feelgoods
“there were not even any close calls.”

The pain associations weren’t buying it. Citing what they called “the
over-aggressive prosecutions” of pain doctors, pharmacists, and other health
professionals, the association presidents said that while the DEA says it
does not
want to stop doctors from adequately treating chronic pain with opioids, the
new
guidelines “will undoubtedly have the exact opposite effect on any
practitioner reading them.”

The association presidents, APS president Dennis Turk, AAPM president Samuel
Hassenbusch, and ASAM president Lawrence Brown, zeroed in on the DEA’s
assertion that merely prescribing high doses of opioid pain relievers can
lead to a
doctor being investigated. Such statements will have a chilling effect on the
practice of pain medicine, they wrote. “Reading that the government can
investigate merely on suspicion that the law is being violated will send
chills down
the spine of practitioners who are treating patients with [narcotic
painkillers] and will certainly contribute to the undertreatment or
non-treatment of
moderate to severe chronic pain.”

“The bottom line on this letter is that if the DEA thought changes were
needed, it should have engaged in a little more discussion about it and get
everyone on board,” said Chuck Weber, spokesman for the American Pain
Society. “There
was a real change in tone between what was agreed upon and posted in August
and the revised guidelines issued last month,” he told DRCNet. “The main
concern was the lack of dialogue.”

“This letter is absolutely a positive move,” said Dr. Frank Fisher, a
California pain specialist who was prosecuted and ultimately exonerated over
his
opioid prescribing practices and who served as a defense consultant in the
Hurwitz
trial. “Those academics spent years working with the DEA to come up with
reasonable guidelines, but then the DEA jerked them down and didn’t do the
courtesy of notifying them,” he told DRCNet. “The DEA has an absolute
obligation to
work with the academic community in promulgating guidelines, but what they
have
done is abrogate that responsibility and their duty to regulate controlled
substances in a matter that makes them available to patients who need them.”

The American Academy of Physicians and Surgeons, which for years has been
waging a lonely struggle within the profession to protect opioid-prescribing
doctors, also welcomed the intervention by the pain association heads. “Even
though we weren’t fans of the FAQ,” said academy spokesperson Kathryn Serkes,
“at
least with them you got something on paper. You want government agencies to
commit to something on paper so you know where the bar is, but when the bar
keeps
moving at the whim of prosecutors and investigators, you’ve got a real
problem,” she told DRCNet. “Doctors and patients are literally at the mercy
of
prosecutors and the DEA. We’ve been angry about this for years — it’s about
time
some of the other physicians’ groups got angry, too. They’ve been manipulated
and made fools of. At this point, anger is an appropriate response.”

Another broadside against Justice Department tactics came in a December 10
letter from six past presidents of the American Pain Society harshly
criticizing
the testimony of yet another past APS president, Dr. Michael Ashburn, as an
expert prosecution witness in the recently concluded Hurwitz trial.
Prosecutors
in that case used Ashburn to suggest to jurors that Hurwitz’ practice was
outside the scope of accepted medical procedure and that prescribing large
amounts of opioids was, too.

But the APS past presidents disagreed in blunt terms. “We are stunned by his
testimony,” the letter said. “As leaders in this field, we feel compelled to
correct the errors in his testimony, lest it be used in the future in a
manner
that worsens the national tragedy of untreated pain.” Ashburn’s testimony was
filled with “serious misrepresentations” and “factually wrong or serious
misstatements of consensus in the field,” they wrote. In one example, the
past
presidents pointed out that Ashburn testified that the use of “high dose”
opioid
therapy, which Hurwitz practiced, was an indication of drug abuse in people
not
suffering from chronic pain from cancer.

“It is factually untrue that this is a consensus opinion of pain experts,”
the past APS presidents wrote. “We strongly hold the view that patients with
non-cancer pain may benefit from opioid therapy and that the dose necessary
to
control pain may be high. Use of ‘high dose’ opioid therapy for chronic pain
is
clearly in the scope of medicine.” Ashburn’s characterizations of what
constituted “high dose” opioid therapy was so low as to be simply “absurd,”
the
doctors added.

Similarly, Ashburn testified that prescribing opioids to patients with
addiction problems is medically unacceptable. “This is not the view of
experienced
clinicians in the field,” the past presidents complained. “It is unacceptable
to promulgate the view that the disease of addiction automatically denies
patients with severe pain the possibility of relief through careful opioid
therapy,” they wrote.

“We will try to correct the public record after the trial concludes and
sincerely hope that the government and the court will consider this
information
now,” concluded the letter from Russell Portenoy, MD, chairman of the
Department
of Pain Medicine and Palliate Care at Beth Israel Medical Center; James N.
Campbell, MD, director of the Blaustein Pain Treatment Center at the Johns
Hopkins University Medical Center; Kathleen Foley, MD, of Pain & Palliative
Care
Services at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center; Charles Cleeland, PhD,
director of the Pain Research Group at the University of Texas MD Anderson
Cancer
Center; Christine Miaskowski, RN PhD, chair of the Department of Nursing at
the
University of California San Francisco; and Richard Payne, MD, director of
the
Duke University Care at the End of Life program. According to Fisher,
however, though the letter was seen by the judge, it was not shown to the
jury.

Ashburn, who currently works for a pharmaceutical company that is developing
products that would compete against opioid pain relievers, declined a DRCNet
offer to comment either in general or on the specifics of the accusations
against him.

“This letter publicly criticizing Ashburn has enormous significance,” said
Dr. Fisher. “What Ashburn did in his testimony is similar to what so-called
experts have been doing to doctors all over the country, but this time it
came out
in the closely watched trial of a prominent and well-respected physician.
This time they didn’t get away with it.”

“They are finally waking up,” exclaimed Siobhan Reynolds, executive director
of the pain patients and doctors advocacy group the Pain Relief Network (
http://www.painreliefnetwork.org). “What happened to Dr. Hurwitz symbolizes
the
vulnerability of doctors who treat pain with opioids. The medical profession
knows this and can’t deny it. Dr. Hurwitz is a political prisoner, it’s as
simple
as that,” she told DRCNet. “He refused to plead guilty and now they are
making
an example of him. But his example is serving to awaken political
consciousness among physicians. That makes me slightly optimistic,” she told
DRCNet.

Even the American Medical Association is finally bestirring itself. The
largest doctors’ organization in the country voted at its Interim Meeting in
Atlanta this month to “support interpreting federal law in a way that would
let
doctors continue to write pain medication prescriptions for patients in need,
while letting the government provide oversight and regulation to minimize
risks to
patients’ health and safety,” according to this week’s AMA newsletter. The
groups will “voice concerns to DEA over pain medication prescribing policy,”
the
newsletter added.

The AMA did not mention the prosecutions of pain management physicians, but
it did express concern about the mysterious vanishing Pain FAQ and its new,
hard-line replacement. “The AMA will work with the DEA to address physician
concerns that an interim policy statement published by the agency in November
could
interfere with the way doctors prescribe opioid analgesic medications to some
patients,” the report said. “Doctors worry that the statement could make it
illegal to write multiple pain medication prescriptions for a patient on the
day of a visit and evaluation. Physicians also worry that they no longer
could
legally write directions for dispensing additional medication on future,
specified dates.”

AAPS’ Serkes pronounced herself “optimistic but cautious” about the AMA
pronouncement. “I hope it’s not just for show,” she said. “A couple of years
ago
the AMA came out with similar pronouncements, they said they were going to
make
this an issue, but then did nothing. Something has to happen now. We are at
the point where — and it is painful to say this — we are recommending to
doctors that they not prescribe opioids in treating pain. Not that doctors
are
waiting to hear from us. I quietly hear from doctors on a regular basis that
they
will not treat pain patients for fear of the consequences. That doesn’t make
the news, it doesn’t have a high profile, but there is another doctor who
will
not be treating pain patients.”

The battle over heavy-handed DEA and Justice Department regulation of the
practice of pain medicine is far from over, but now, at least, it appears the
battle has been joined by the medical mainstream.

(Meanwhile, Dr. Hurwitz sits in federal detention awaiting sentencing and an
appeal. That appeal will cost $60,000 that Hurwitz doesn’t have and needs to
raise by mid-January, said Reynolds. Reynolds and the Pain Relief Network
have
established a Hurwitz Defense Fund. People interested in contributing can
send
checks made out to Pain Relief Network — write “Hurwitz Defense Fund” in the
memo — and send to PRN at P.O. Box 231054, New York, NY, 10023.
Contributions are tax-deductible. Let them know you heard about it from
DRCNet.)

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more on hypoism
Date: December 26, 2004 at 6:54:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi List

Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed clean for a year and started using again.  I wondered what dose to start with last time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high.  I would appreciate any advice.  Jasen keep up the good work you are my inspiration this is definately going to be your year

love donna

From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] -ot- ?/”super monkey ball” (snips from wired.com)
Date: December 26, 2004 at 6:32:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone know where I can find free semi-complete
‘medical definitions & terminology’ mp3’s??

Re: methadone not lasting 24 hours…  I had that
problem too, waking up sick isn’t the best way to get
up in the morning, ‘done Doc gave a split dose and
that cleared it up.  I had to request the split 3
times though because of the ‘take home’ factor.

I wonder if Ibo space-time is different in the deep
sea…



…the structure’s interior would be kept at surface
pressure, ensuring no one is exposed to the bends,
seizures, or other hazards that come with living
underwater
.”After three or four generations,
inhabitants would ask, Are there really people who
live on the surface?”
Vent-Based Alpha gets its power
by tapping 700-degree volcanic vents on the ocean
floor – the superhot water drives thermal cycle
engines to produce electricity
.90 percent of their
normal dexterity, so they can handle detail work under
1,500 pounds per square inch of pressure.

“We are going to hear what Titan sounds like.”
— A NASA scientist says the Huygens space probe will
be able to collect the sweet sounds heard on Saturn’s
hazy moon.

Earlier in the month, images and measurements taken by
the $3.3 billion Cassini spacecraft confirmed
scientists’ suspicions that Saturn’s dark moon,
Phoebe, is a planetary building block left over from
the birth of the solar system.


“Then I heard an eerie sound that I have never heard
before. It was a high pitched sound followed by a
deafening roar which seemed to be getting louder. I
told everyone to run for their life and I started
sprinting inland.”
The tsunami, triggered by the world’s fifth-largest
quake in a century, has killed at least 9,500 people
across Asia.


http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66086,00.html
Surgeons who play video games three hours a week have
37 percent fewer errors and accomplish tasks 27
percent faster, he says, basing his observation on
results of tests using the video game Super Monkey
Ball.
To devise better systems for training physicians,
Rosser and his colleagues brought together surgeons,
movie makers and video game designers to discuss ways
the three groups can develop better tools.
While the systems are aimed mostly at medical
training, he also does classroom demonstrations so
kids can get a taste of what it’s like.
More than 5,000 people, from schoolchildren to
surgeons, have done training exercises on a system
Rosser calls Top Gun, designed to train laparoscopic
surgeons, doctors who use minimally-invasive
techniques to repair injuries.
Rosser has had subjects play Super Monkey Ball as well
as practice techniques of laparoscopic surgery by
suturing a sponge with long probes and dropping a pea
into a hole. In all, he has done Top Gun training for
more than a decade.
Video games also have much to offer the military, said
Greg Mogel, a radiologist and director of the West
Coast arm of TATRC, who spoke alongside Rosser at the
conference held in Marina del Rey.
“You train as you fight and you fight as you train,”
he said.
TATRC demonstrated a program called STATCare, a
virtual simulator for combat medics that lets them
bandage wounds, apply tourniquets, administer
intravenous fluids, inject medications and make all of
the other assessments they would be required to do in
an actual battlefield.
The program is proven to work, said TATRC’s J. Harvey
Magee, but “on the negative side, it doesn’t respond
like a really cool video game yet.” That is where
Rosser said he hoped the conference would be of value.

One of the other titles he helped demonstrate was The
Journey to Wild Divine, a $160 game that relies on
biofeedback. Players with heart-rate and
skin-conduction monitors hooked to their fingers must
calm the body and mind to bring responses in line with
the demands of the game. In a demonstration, players
had to control their heart rate and stress levels in
order to make a balloon float through a mystical
environment.
Another product on display was a system developed by
researcher Walter Greenleaf that applies technology to
hand rehabilitation — patients wear a special
sensor-laden glove and control a video game by doing
exercises. In the classic game Asteroids, rotating the
wrist moves a spaceship left and right, while making a
fist fires cannons.
All of that gameplay may sound like a waste of time to
some people, but for Rosser, it’s all part of the job.

“You have to be a Nintendo surgeon,” he said.

http://wired.com/news/space/0,2697,66114,00.html
A NASA spacecraft has detected three dozen “massive,
baby galaxies” forming relatively close to our own
Milky Way, scientists announced Tuesday.
“These galaxies give us a great opportunity to study
the processes that gave birth to galaxies in an
up-close and personal way,” said team leader Tim
Heckman, director of the Center for Astrophysical
Sciences at Johns Hopkins University. “It’s almost
like looking out the window and seeing a dinosaur
walking by.”
The Earth-orbiting Galex spacecraft found the baby
galaxies by scanning the sky for exceptionally bright
spots of ultraviolet light. The light is given off
while stars are being formed within young galaxies and
tends to diminish as the galaxies get older and the
stars stabilize.
Because the newfound galaxies are several times closer
to the Milky Way than previously discovered
“newborns,” scientists can now use various
Earth-orbiting observatories, like the Hubble Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to study
them in detail.


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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 26, 2004 at 3:39:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Its really too bad these technologies you seek to profit from are being used as weapons.

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:48 PM, Brett Calabrese wrote:

Seasons greetings,

I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number, superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2, 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45 shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point) and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft Carrier flight decks.

IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company, increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up, eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very, very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point, to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns, if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the company.

Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time. Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.

Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting this.

Brett

Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions – even on 100-couple hundred shares.

LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30 degree beam

HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it hits something, range is 150 yards

NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound, emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!), continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets, no distortion…

http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm

The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships). at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5 LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they are in fact ATC LRAD’s.

New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order

http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html

Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html

ATC reports on growing LRAD business

http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html

And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board

SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY MAINE SMALL BUSINESS

American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004 Olympics and Operations in Iraq
Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
Friday, September 3, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. ñ A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures upon U.S. Naval ships.

ìI am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business – particularly as it aids our nationís military in their ongoing operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that will further demonstrate their excellent work,î said Snowe, who is chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.

Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost any language.

LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who contacted the Navyís Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the Queen Mary 2.

ìAs I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security teams for these national and international events were greatly assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the commercial market,î continued Snowe.

American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego, CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology specifically for government and military applications. The concept of using this technology as a force protection tool was originally conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.

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From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 26, 2004 at 3:11:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brett,

i´m still waiting for three days in a roll just for me 😉

meanwhile I was reading this post… so his there any possibility from me from here (argentina) to invest in this ATCO?
How could that be possible?

Regards
thanks
merry xmas
Germán DC
—– Original Message —–
From: Brett Calabrese
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)

Seasons greetings,

I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number, superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2, 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45 shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point) and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft Carrier flight decks.

IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company, increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up, eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very, very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point, to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns, if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the company.

Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time. Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.

Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting this.

Brett

Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions – even on 100-couple hundred shares.

LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30 degree beam

HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it hits something, range is 150 yards

NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound, emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!), continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets, no distortion…

http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm

The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships). at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5 LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they are in fact ATC LRAD’s.

New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order

http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html

Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html

ATC reports on growing LRAD business

http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html

And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board

SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY MAINE SMALL BUSINESS

American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004 Olympics and Operations in Iraq
Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
Friday, September 3, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. – A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures upon U.S. Naval ships.

“I am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business – particularly as it aids our nation’s military in their ongoing operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that will further demonstrate their excellent work,” said Snowe, who is chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.

Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost any language.

LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who contacted the Navy’s Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the Queen Mary 2.

“As I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security teams for these national and international events were greatly assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the commercial market,” continued Snowe.

American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego, CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology specifically for government and military applications. The concept of using this technology as a force protection tool was originally conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to Ron
Date: December 26, 2004 at 1:28:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron !!
You are doing good ,man.!!
One thing that helped me at the begining of my sobriety where slogans . Like
Keep it simple.
First thing first
Easy does it
One day at the time
Think
Now ,a re you going to  meetings ?
In my humble opinion a group support is very important because addicts and
alcoholics have the tendencie to isolate and at the begining we have to put
sometimes a real effort to go to meetings, no matter what !!

How many hours do you had to spend in college to be an Attorney ?
So how many hours are you willing to invest to learnt how to live sober,
joyous and free. ?
This is the whole point. This simple and clear.

Yesterday a friend of mine was the speaker at our meeting. This friend (
Bill ) at the end of his carriere of drugs addict and drunk called the
hospital to check if they had a good dermatoligst to remove the big  bugs
that he had all over his body.
_ They told him : ” yes, take a cab and come right away !! ”
After, a small “vacation” in the coucou’s nest  ( 5 days ) he came to AA and
had been sober since 🙂 ( 17 years ).
Now, this guy comes everyday to a meeting in the evening, then he go to work
as a bartender in one of the crazyest place in town. I have another friend
that had to learnt how to walk ( he spent the last year of his drinking in
his bed )
Another friend  had to learnt how to talk ( he was living in New Orleans,
like a dog, behind a dumpster ).
Ron, you are smart, articulate, bright in a dark place and  you have a good
paper on the wall.

Don’t wait….

Don’t let your “convincing intelligence” or the black wolf  take away  your
right to peace and serenity.

You are a good man doing, now, the next right thing and if it’s rought ,at
time, remember that too shall pass….
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list

thanks francis, i could use some sobriety and be pretty happy. ron
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list

Happy holliday for all the members of this list and for all the one who
are
not.
Good Bless
Francis

Let’s hope for peace for 2005

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] dig this/was/Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 26, 2004 at 12:26:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/26/04 9:57:56 AM, thethird@myway.com writes:

Wow, I was taking things way too seriously and didn’t realize it ’till
I started reading the posts. Thanks for ‘lighting’ up my mood. Christmas
can be way too stressful sometimes, and can make it easy to fall back on
old self-destructive habits. I hope everybody survived the holidays with
the least amount of bad vibes possible!

From anther list

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 26, 2004 at 11:37:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick,

I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
I hit send on my TV
internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
this one “brief.”

In the same way there is probably a unifying field
theory that
explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
there is also
a source from which all comes and through the power of
creation,
which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
created.

If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
what has derived
from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.

I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
spiritual and work to
integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
enourages ignorance of one
or the other.

I have a question for you:

Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
through the eboga
spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
they be ignored or is
a certain amount of gratiude in order?

A Happy New Year to you

Lee

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
Hell – att Jasen

Hi Jasen,

Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
but I am sorry, I dont
think it is that simple.

Lee,

The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
insanely simple. I was in the
Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 26, 2004 at 10:25:05 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Plus xmas dinner for them was sausages and steak cos we did the bar-b-q thing rather than traditional xmas dinner but they all voted in favour of that choice.<

V is strict vegan and I’ve been vegitarian since my ibo spell in August, but cats being cats, carnivorous and all, they got one heck of a lot of food neither of us would eat, what with V snatching a whole mess of leftover flesh to bring home to the furry little beasties.
They also got this feathered “cat dancer” thing that rocks, and they love it.
V’s sister has a huge slobbery dog that got a few of those big dried leather bone things to chew on, but prefered the old, partially deflated soccarball he (Berkeley) found in the woods out back of V’s Mom’s house, bringing it to me to kick (softly as it’s very difficult for me to kick very hard with my back and leg issues, but it’s almost harder to say no to a dog I love who wants to play and keeps telling me so in no uncertain terms).
Anyway, good day to all, and nice to hear about your pleasent christmases all, especially those shared (as opposed to imposed) with the other creatures on our planet.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —– From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

So good Preston & V  Our dogs got treat ball toys and the cats got some cute balls with like magnetic things that made them roll really well.  Plus xmas dinner for them was sausages and steak cos we did the bar-b-q thing rather than traditional xmas dinner but they all voted in favour of that choice. What was the weather like with you.  I know I went to sleep on the lawn after a few glasses of wine and got horribly sunburned but thats about the most summer we have had so far.  We are hoping that things will improve but not holding our breath.  Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, 26 December 2004 12:23:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

=) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)<

the cats got all sorts of toys and goodies, including “a whole of tub of
mind altering fun!” as one of the marketing balloons on the lid of their new
catnip puts it.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

=) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer
wish for everyone.
So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as
well please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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From: “” <thethird@myway.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 26, 2004 at 9:57:07 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, I was taking things way too seriously and didn’t realize it ’till I started reading the posts. Thanks for ‘lighting’ up my mood. Christmas can be way too stressful sometimes, and can make it easy to fall back on old self-destructive habits. I hope everybody survived the holidays with the least amount of bad vibes possible!

— On Sat 12/25, < nruhtra@dsskcorp.com > wrote:

From: [mailto: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:34:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull

ha! rock out! family events are great, even if ya have a psychotic family
(my family is fukin nuts.) this is the first christmas ive spent with
people i know in 4 years and the first christmas/new years spent in the US
in 2 years. i hope all are having a great day (the season formally known
as christmas, aka value exchange day!@)
good time to be had by all.
my parents thought it was funny to get me ann coulter’s new book “how to
talk to a liberal (if you have to)”
im a republican, but an “uber ass liberal republican” as i like to state
it. but i hate that fucking bitch. 0 season greetings allocated to
coulter and crew.

smoking another christmas tree wrapped in paper for all yous!

love.
n$

> LOLOLOL!!!!!!1
> Thanks for posting this and sharing your good times and vibes with us.
> Christmas dinner with 40 family types members of V’s family was certainly
> interesting and lots of fun. Got some very cool archeology books in light
> of
> my current book project (research material) and V got me a year
> subscription
> to X-Box Live service- YAAA! I’ve been wanting this for eons and now I
> have
> it- tres cool.
> I love her so much.
> ;-))
> Anyway, again, thanks for sharing the bowl with us.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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> Etc.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 4:21 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
>
>
>> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! From an ex-junky, life
>> loving, friend/fiend.
>>
>> 2004 was sumthin else, but mediocrity is fucked in ’05.
>>
>> xoxo
>> n$
>> www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem
>>
>> (Attached img: Me enjoying sum spliff mega bowls in respect to everyone
>> on
>> the list.) <3
>>
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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Allison
Date: December 26, 2004 at 8:51:36 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Allison,

Addiction to methadone is NOT just psychological!  If
you do not get your drink at roughly the same time,
you can start going into withdrawal, especially if you
are a fast metabolizer.

My methadone dose NEVER lasted 24 hours- more like 16,
or 18 if I was lucky.  And then the sweats would start
setting in, the pins/needles, and hot/cold flashes.
More serious withdrawal usually doesn’t start until
about day 2-3 post-methadone, but physical discomfort
(which can be very distracting) can set in as early as
half a day after your drink.

Happy holidays, and love to you and your family,

Julie (so glad to be off the ‘done)

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From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 26, 2004 at 7:58:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So good Preston & V  Our dogs got treat ball toys and the cats got some cute balls with like magnetic things that made them roll really well.  Plus xmas dinner for them was sausages and steak cos we did the bar-b-q thing rather than traditional xmas dinner but they all voted in favour of that choice.  What was the weather like with you.  I know I went to sleep on the lawn after a few glasses of wine and got horribly sunburned but thats about the most summer we have had so far.  We are hoping that things will improve but not holding our breath.  Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, 26 December 2004 12:23:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

>> =) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)<

the cats got all sorts of toys and goodies, including “a whole of tub of
mind altering fun!” as one of the marketing balloons on the lid of their new
catnip puts it.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

> =) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)
>
>
>
> — Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>> Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer
>> wish for everyone.
>> So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as
>> well please.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
>> enlightenment is often
>> mistaken for madness”
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
>> Guide to Drugs”
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From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 26, 2004 at 7:05:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Its not that easy just “get straight” or none of us would be here in the first place.  I’m not a great believer in Methadone but if it helps the individual get some perspective on where they want to be and can help to start the mental process that life can be better than this then its all worth trying.  Until we all get approval or accepted treatment for anything else it might at least act as a stepping stone to starting the process.  My boyfriend has been on the methadone programme a few times,  the last time maintenance @ 85 a day and thats been the last 3 yrs./    I thought it was all a load of rubbish especially the first time he did this but as soon as he got off the methadone he went straight back into using .  Sometimes I think a lot of the dependency is physcological because there is so much build up in the system that one day at the time should not make any difference ( apparently) but one extra day seeing our new grandson was such a problem because he couldn’t pick up his dose until later that day.  Is that a pattern of behaviour, a mind set or physical discomfort??  Would appreciate any comments.  He really stressed out because we were supposed to be home Thurs night but it was hard to leave a new grandson and we stayed on extra night and didn’t get home till Fri afternoon late.   That meant picking up his dose late Friday instead of the morning which by that time things were definitely on edge.   He had even phoned his pharmacy to see if he could get his dose transferred that day but oh no thats in the too hard basket.  If most things these days are on a data system you would think that they could aligne programes like methadone with it or maybe they just don’t want to or are not interested.   I know that this is a bit of a gabble but hoping I’ll be excused cos I mean well and am a new nana which is pretty cool..
PS  Is Callie out there.  Have been missing your input and messages to the list.  Hope all is OK with you.   Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 24 December 2004 5:10:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight.
Period. For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

>
> Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt. There were over 130
> people died in one year there form ODing. I’m currently in Abq. NM. He
> may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.
> When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank
> you for your concern and the prayers. Faith
>>From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
>>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500
>>
>>Hi Faith !!
>>Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this
>>a
>>street is a dangerous one…
>>Where are you located?
>>Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could help
>>him.Be
>>patient…
>>I will do my best to help you.
>>God Bless
>>Francis
>>
>>—– Original Message —–
>>From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
>>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
>>
>>
>> > Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
>>The
>> > problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
>> > right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
>>street.
>>I
>> > feel like his real problem is depression. He knows about Ibogaine, but
>> > don’t believe it will help. Faith
>> >
>> > >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
>> > >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> > >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
>> > >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
>> > >
>> > >Very well put. Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
>>says
>> > >it like nothing else. My sentiments exactly. Hope you’re well.
>> > > Until,
>>martee
>> > >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
>> > ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
>> > >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> > >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>Hi Faith !
>> > >> How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
>>your
>> > >>pseudo-Christian views on politics but I am more concerned by your
>>son
>>(
>> > >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve
>> > >>been
>> > >>less
>> > >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three
>> > >>providers
>>of
>> > >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
>> > >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
>> > >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
>>christian
>> > >>ass to help him.
>> > >>Kindest regards
>> > >>God bless
>> > >>Francis
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
>> > >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> > >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
>> > >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
>> > >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
>> > >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
>> > >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
>> > >>
>> > >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
>> > >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
>> > >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
>>stand
>> > >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
>> > >>from “God”… – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin
>> > >>to
>> > >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
>> > >>makes is all okee-dokee.
>> > >>
>> > >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
>> > >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
>>buy
>> > >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
>> > >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
>>to
>> > >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
>> > >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
>> > >>
>> > >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
>>ass
>> > >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
>>agenda
>> > >>is offering… if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
>> > >>radiation will.
>> > >>
>> > >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
>> > >>
>> > >>Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
>> > >>
>> > >>_.dh
>> > >>
>> > >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this. Yes, I
>> > >>>do
>> > >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
>> > >>>”terriorist”. And, I know form experience that anything less than a
>> > >>>full offence empowers the person. In any war, there are going to be
>> > >>>innocent lives taken. But, there’s a big difference in this and the
>> > >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to
>> > >>>destroy
>> > >>>innocent human life. Because I behaved as many of you think we
>> > >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
>>many
>> > >>>other bad things happened. But, thanks for the reply. I just think
>> > >>>differently than most in this group. Faith
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
>> > >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> > >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att
>> > >>>>Faith.
>> > >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Faith,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
>> > >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I
>> > >>>>posted
>> > >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
>> > >>>>sore?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some
>> > >>>>of
>> > >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
>> > >>>>listed.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
>> > >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
>>think
>> > >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
>> > >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
>> > >>>>other. They dont sit together.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
>> > >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
>> > >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
>>all
>> > >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
>> > >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
>>very
>> > >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To DH From JIM – God and Bush and perfect
Date: December 26, 2004 at 6:02:47 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HeyJim;
Perfect and unbeatible arguments from an insider.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo
—– Original Message —–
From: Jim Hadey
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To DH From JIM – God and Bush

Hi DH,

From what I heard they were planning this Iraq War back in 1975, of course I don’t believe everything I here.  Of course I would not be surprised at anything I hear either.

Now, I know your an agnostic, if I am not mistaken, but I could be wrong.  But think about it, if there is a GOD who do you think he would go to to get advice from?  You say >>>Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.<<<  At least Bush Sr had an ounce of brains, he was in charge of the C.I.A. for awhile.  Yes, he had enough sense not to occupy Iraq or else his advisors did, thank God (no offense).

All throughout the Bible God has spoken to great men and some not so great.  Once as a burning bush, then a voice from the mountain and to Noah. Yea, I’ll spare you the details.  Now, just because God talks to ya don’t mean your loseing your mind.  Look at Oral Roberts, he saw Jeses and he was either 8 or 10 feet tall, you know he would not lie.

Depleted Uranium is perfectly safe as long as you don’t breath it in or come in contact with it.  As you know even a billionth of a gram can kill you with cancer in a few years.  And it is a painful death.  But in  4 1/2 million years (or billion, I forget) years it will be all gone and safe for kids to play there.

You say GIs must buy their own armour.  Look what they get already.  Those soldiers that are stationed in Germany qualify for food stamps.  There are many voulenteers that rehabilitate the soldiers when they get part of their body blowen away.  See, they had it on TV – Honest.  They said that those injured like a blowen off leg have voulenteers come in and give of their time and services, it was on 60 minutes.  See how smart Bush is, he is saving the taxpayers millions by having the voulenteers come in and help.  Think now, D.H. you can’t have tax cuts for the rich and have it trickel down to us if we don’t cut corners.  They do this by using the voulenteers and when the soldier is in the hospital he really has no need for money so they charge them for the meals, what’s wrong with that?

Yes, Rumsfeld made mistakes but who doesn’t, except for “W”.  “W” can’t be everywhere at once.  In fact he was so busy on a classified mission he did not report for duty for months.  What could be be doing?  Of course a top secret classified mission which explanes why he was never charged with anything.  It also explains why the paper work can not be found;).

“W” never uses the word torture because he doesn’t allow it. “W”, is honest and says that they sometimes make them feel uncomfortable, which is a lot different than torture.  Torture is physical abuse or psychological abuse like beatings, rape, humiliation and electrical shock.  Of course Bush would not stand for anything like this.

Now, in all honesty, Bush SR. had some brains.  And you probably think “W” is one of the dumbest people in the Bush family.  WRONG.  They had his brother on TV, not the govenor of FL, and he was suppose to be under oath and they were asking him questions, I forget what it was all about but it was on TV about 2-3 weeks ago.  They asked him questions like did a naked women ever come to your door while you were in such and such a country.  He said he couldn’t remember.  Now you got to be a busy, hard working man not to remember something like that.  I remember everytime a naked women that I didn’t know came to my door and had sex with me.  He should of just said yes, wish them guys would do that again, even if I have to pay.  Really, he was dumber than George “W”.  Oh, I wonder if he will run for president.  With those black boxes, with no paper trail and three private companies counting our votes it is possible.  So in four more years you might have to hear them yell four more years.  Yep, it is now possible.  Of course all the ingredients for a world war is in place, we may not have 4 more years.

And since it has been a long time since I talked to you I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, no I am not being smartass.  We don’t have to agree on everything, but I do remember when we did not agree that we treated each other with respect and dignity.  So please accept the Seasons Greetings in the mannor in which it was inteded.  Me, I have been getting better, using less in the last week than anytime in the last 6 months and hope to get better and better as time goes by.  Then I hope to stay clean.  You seem to be doing GREAT, if I get to be as clean as you I’ll be happy.

Best to ya,

– JIM

D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:
except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”… – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering… if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Brad
Date: December 25, 2004 at 10:23:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Brad,

I also believe that when you are ready, there is a way
with Iboga/Ibogaine.It would simply be a matter of
gradual steps, I believe.

It seems to  take away most of the underlying causes
of our addictions in the first place.It gives me a
stronger choice.

I have a friend that I used to go to school with,..
a school fling type of thing.

I lost contact with her for many years,then one day
saw her at the clinic.
I was shocked to see her there. I remembered her innocence,
I could still see her, the weight of addiction  looked to heavy
for her to carry. She was so fragile.

She had two children,fighting to get off the done
again and again,….you know how it goes.

When I am stronger,I look forward to seeing her and
saying, “Deborah,..I found a way ,there is a door,..it’s unbelievable
I can show when your ready.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: Brett Calabrese
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

“Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fear”

I find people are most limited by what they believe things to be.

Brett
FYI, I am on Yahoo and don’t see all the ibogaine mail and cannot follow a thread from here, the mail gets lost, as did the Merry Christmas/ATCO post, my copy went to the bit bucket in the Yahoo’s industry non-standard mail protocol.
Schmoolyboy@aol.com wrote:
Dr Shinderman in Chicago is the only meth Doc that prescribes those kinds of dosages. He has a patient on 2400 mgs of meth and he states she functions well. It is so easy to get the dose you want there that there is little to no illicit meth in Chicago. Tell him you wan to go up and its done. Drop a dirty and you are not punished but your dose is increased.

On one hand, those patients seem to stop smoking crack, etc.,. so there the positive.

On the other hand-They are never ever getting off. I have seen Ibo get someone on 280 mgs meth clean but it was shaky and hard. He was smart enough to go to 90 day residential treatment after IBO because the Post acute withdrawal/mostly anxiety even post IBO was huge,,,,but he made it and has 6 months clean.

Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fear

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list
Date: December 25, 2004 at 9:38:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks francis, i could use some sobriety and be pretty happy. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list

Happy holliday for all the members of this list and for all the one who are
not.
Good Bless
Francis

Let’s hope for peace for 2005

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Ron, re Methadone.
Date: December 25, 2004 at 9:33:40 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nice email, spending last christmas with my dad, got a ray of hope but forever the pessimist.  need that positive flow and to learn the message of hope and pray i’m not one of those doper’s who will not go to any length to get straight.  hope i can handle the pain to come that i’ve caused myself. spooky.  kicking  is harder at 54 than in my 20’s.  they d/n dish out meth then in the states. the jails were a bitch, they wanted you to hurt.  thanks for the holiday note, love your country, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: Ron, re Methadone.

I’m so disgusted to hear that methadone is a money maker in the US. That is
just the pitz of a community continuing to create suffering amongst the
afflicted. That’s was the main reason for going back on, money, or lack of,
and to get help for my brain bitz and stabilize, cos I was only using more
on my own.  Igoba is the next step for me.
Hey, guess what Ron? I’m always right! Even when I’m wrong I’m right!!!
Hehheh.
Hope you got to put aside your troubles to enjoy xmas (or enjoying? You’re a
day behind us). I had a not too bad evening, but bought up everything I ate
in the early hours of boxing day.  Not sure why. Haven’t talked to anyone
else to see if it was the seafood cocktail or whatever.
So, taking it easy today.
Best wishes to all
Luff Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, 25 December 2004 4:57 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Kirsty:
i’m not always right, strung out  myself . did the meth thing and it was a
bitch. in retrospect, maybe straight is the final goal, i always screwed my
self up when took a half step and kept chms in my body.  that’s what got me
where i’m at today.  if i had bit the freaking bullet a cpl of yrs ago, i
w/n be in my current jam. lot of people sure want off meth.  and i’m no
poster boy for being straight.
meth ain’t free in the states, and alot of clinics are raking in bucks. got
a chiropractor who owns ten of them in the area, counselors encourage people

to up dose.
thanks for the well wishes, love your country, did the Milford Track one
time. had i been on meth or benzos, c/n have done it.  to better days, love
, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

I have to disagree there…. when there IS no other choice then it’s
certainly NOT a bad thing.  Until we have more choices then DONE has to be
it.  It has helped a lot of people and I;m sure they don’t think having a
productive life is evil at all.
No offense dude…..for us in NZ it is free and that by the sounds is a huge
bonus.  I know a lot of people who are still alive today because of
methadone.  Getting straight just like that ….would be nice huh but if the
time and head space aint right, there’s just no point.
Love n hugs, and hope you’re doing ok Ron :o)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 24 December 2004 5:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight.

Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130

people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He
may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.
When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank
you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this
a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help
him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve
> >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three
> >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin
> >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
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> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I
> >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to
> >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att
> >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I
> >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some
> >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 25, 2004 at 8:17:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fear”

I find people are most limited by what they believe things to be.

Brett
FYI, I am on Yahoo and don’t see all the ibogaine mail and cannot follow a thread from here, the mail gets lost, as did the Merry Christmas/ATCO post, my copy went to the bit bucket in the Yahoo’s industry non-standard mail protocol.
Schmoolyboy@aol.com wrote:
Dr Shinderman in Chicago is the only meth Doc that prescribes those kinds of dosages. He has a patient on 2400 mgs of meth and he states she functions well. It is so easy to get the dose you want there that there is little to no illicit meth in Chicago. Tell him you wan to go up and its done. Drop a dirty and you are not punished but your dose is increased.

On one hand, those patients seem to stop smoking crack, etc.,. so there the positive.

On the other hand-They are never ever getting off. I have seen Ibo get someone on 280 mgs meth clean but it was shaky and hard. He was smart enough to go to 90 day residential treatment after IBO because the Post acute withdrawal/mostly anxiety even post IBO was huge,,,,but he made it and has 6 months clean.

Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fear

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 25, 2004 at 7:59:32 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, yup we in a timp warp here!!!!  I’d love to hire a jet and fly around
the world in a sequence that kept xmas going for several days!!! So long as
it doesn’t involve presents and just a great party!!!
Luff heaps, thanx for well wishes, same to you.
Captain Kirk
Over n out!!

—–Original Message—–
From: Rachel Radhakrishna [mailto:rachelradha@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 December 2004 10:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

dear all, esp. Kristy… I love that it’s already
christmas where you are.  Happy christmas to all the
kiwis and aussies, and in a few more hours to all the
euros, and then to us too.   love (in exile), rachy

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: Ron, re Methadone.
Date: December 25, 2004 at 7:56:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m so disgusted to hear that methadone is a money maker in the US. That is
just the pitz of a community continuing to create suffering amongst the
afflicted. That’s was the main reason for going back on, money, or lack of,
and to get help for my brain bitz and stabilize, cos I was only using more
on my own.  Igoba is the next step for me.
Hey, guess what Ron? I’m always right! Even when I’m wrong I’m right!!!
Hehheh.
Hope you got to put aside your troubles to enjoy xmas (or enjoying? You’re a
day behind us). I had a not too bad evening, but bought up everything I ate
in the early hours of boxing day.  Not sure why. Haven’t talked to anyone
else to see if it was the seafood cocktail or whatever.
So, taking it easy today.
Best wishes to all
Luff Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, 25 December 2004 4:57 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Kirsty:
i’m not always right, strung out  myself . did the meth thing and it was a
bitch. in retrospect, maybe straight is the final goal, i always screwed my
self up when took a half step and kept chms in my body.  that’s what got me
where i’m at today.  if i had bit the freaking bullet a cpl of yrs ago, i
w/n be in my current jam. lot of people sure want off meth.  and i’m no
poster boy for being straight.
meth ain’t free in the states, and alot of clinics are raking in bucks. got
a chiropractor who owns ten of them in the area, counselors encourage people

to up dose.
thanks for the well wishes, love your country, did the Milford Track one
time. had i been on meth or benzos, c/n have done it.  to better days, love
, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

I have to disagree there…. when there IS no other choice then it’s
certainly NOT a bad thing.  Until we have more choices then DONE has to be
it.  It has helped a lot of people and I;m sure they don’t think having a
productive life is evil at all.
No offense dude…..for us in NZ it is free and that by the sounds is a huge
bonus.  I know a lot of people who are still alive today because of
methadone.  Getting straight just like that ….would be nice huh but if the
time and head space aint right, there’s just no point.
Love n hugs, and hope you’re doing ok Ron :o)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 24 December 2004 5:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight.

Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130

people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He
may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.
When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank
you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this
a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help
him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
don’t believe it will help. Faith

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500

Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
Until,
martee
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
<GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve
been
less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three
providers
of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin
to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

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On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I
do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to
destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att
Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I
posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some
of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion.
That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you
to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Merry ChristmasHappy Chanukah or the generic Happy Holidays (includes present)
Date: December 25, 2004 at 6:48:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Seasons greetings,

I wish all of you happy holidsys and looking forward to what the New Year will bring. For me it will be many things, one of them is the financial freedom (and many problems it solves) that I have waiting for me. It is no accident, it was years and countless hours doing research to find just the right company to invest in, a “Microsoft of”… a company that owns a technology – there have been a number, superconductor company American Superconductor (AMSC) is one, BLTI (Biolase, dental lasers) is another – good company, early yet. But I then found ATCO, American Technology Corp  – this is a gift, from me to you – an opportunity, for “informational purposes only”, do or don’t do with it as you will. I am as certain as certain can be that this company will be doing 10X, 100X and perhaps 1000X returns in 1-2, 3-5 and 5-10 years respectively – or there abouts, maybe half as good in twice as long, maybe twice as good in half as long – that I can’t tell you. I can tell you it is my ticket out of here, if you are interested and do stocks or maybe you just want to open that ibogaine clinic or have a kid you want to put through college but don’t have the money… well ATCO is for you. I have a neighbor that bought 45 shares – I told her to HOLD, as the price is going to go wild (better than TASER/tasr). because the products (LRAD, HSS, Neoplanar, SFT -particularly HSS) is going to have an effect on society world-wide like say Coca-Cola or Microsoft – to be able to do things with sound that have never been able to be done before, in fact deemed impossible. ATCO is the next generation in acoustics, a new generation of products, a new paradigm in sound (yadda, yadda, you get the point) and it is very real, not vapor and not “we have this great tech but need to develop it…”, it is here, it is now, they have products and sales are growing 400% for FY 04 (not announced yet) and increasing on only LRAD sales, HSS sales have not really started, there is some NeoPlanar and engineered solutions – ie the 5MC system for Aircraft Carrier flight decks.

IMO, what is going to happen with the stock is going to be a number of what is called “splits”, where because of growth, bigger company, increased sales and price of the stock, the price goes up and up, eventually they issue splits, some number of shares for each share you own. Generally these are 2:1, 3:1 but eBay had a 10:1, it didn’t take long for 10 times the number of shares to catch up to their original price. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with every company, very, very few but ATCO has all the pieces and it just started moving UP on a new 4.9 million dollar LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) sale to the Military – it is one product has a non-lethal capability, it is a long range megaphone of sorts, directed sound and very clear, something like having head-phones on, by far most of the use is just communicating, to talk to a crowd or small boat, or at a check-point, to clear a bridge or building at range, it is NOT approved or intended for use at ultra-high volumes at close range on people short of being used along with lethal force in defense of warships, suicide car bombers racing towards a check-point… to prevent the use of lethal force. For instance in Iraq they shoot warning shots with guns, if the car doesn’t stop they sometimes kill the occupants, sometimes they are just innocent people that got scared and tried to run, maybe they missed the check-point sign (ever miss a street sign? it happens)… Standard speakers are only good 30 yards, LRAD is good and clear over land to over 300 yards, 700 yards over water – it is not a non-lethal device at those ranges, just a communication device, as a non-lethal is within 100 yards. So, I guess I am looking at the brighter side, it will prevent some harm, maybe someone thinks it is Big Brotherish – well buy some stock and speak your mind at the Shareholders meeting (and make money while you are at it), PETA did that about 20 years ago with US Surgical, bought a block of stock so they could have a bigger voice in animal experimentation at the company.

Anyway, for whatever reasons, you want or need a bunch of money, ATCO is going to split and split and split, that 45 shares will be worth hundreds and then thousands of shares, not unlike Microsoft but starting much sooner – 2 weeks ago I made my last buy at 6.55, the stock closed Thursday at 10.22, it is a technical break-out on anumbe of factors, the large Army order and 25 million in financing.. If you want in, my advice, buy all you can, don’t wait for the price to pull back, if it does (pull back) buy more. Then sit and hold, be patient and don’t mind the crazy movement, it is likely to have a lot of swings in price – so if you go down a bit, don’t worry, it is more likely than not you will have 10-100-1000X your money back, in time. Don’t wait either, this stock has just attracted a lot of attention.

Just to share my opportunity, I am not out to convince you of anything and won’t gain, exept in the knowledge that someone changed thier life… do your own research, it is your money – but to just say this again, yes, I am as sure as sure can be, or I sure wouldn’t be posting this.

Brett

Some info to read and good luck – IMO, opportunities like this, don’t get better than this – it is as good as it gets, I just can’t not share it with you. ATCO will likely be or be something close to the stock of the decade – with just a little bit of luck. As usual, it is your money do your own due diligence (dd), I know what the stock is going to do but you need to know it for yourself and invest for yourself, it is your money. ATCO has years of growth, so if you see a quick double and want to cash out, you could have missed millions – even on 100-couple hundred shares.

LRAD is a long range acoustic device, a directional speaker, 15-30 degree beam

HSS is Hypersonic Sound – getting hit with one is like hearing virtual headphones, it is a marketers dream – there is an emerging advertising product called “Digital Signage” – ATCO is working with SONY (who wants a piece of ATCO) and others on new products. HSS can make a beam or bubble, tube of sound, or a spot of sound off a back wall – like a flashlight, you don’t see the beam, you don’t hear an HSS beam till it hits something, range is 150 yards

NeoPlanar and SFT are new flat ribbon speaker technologies, They are using Neoplanar speakers or wide area, semi-directional sound, emergency notification, hangar and flight decks.Neo’s and SFT can run at full volume without distortion – ie Neo’s are capable of 133DB, a 1000 watt speaker can run at 1000 watts, at 160 degrees C (not F!), continuously. Basically 1/8th inch thick or less, no cone, no magnets, no distortion…

http://www.crane.navy.mil/supply/closed.htm

The above link is at the Navy Warfare site, see “Acoustic Hailing Device IROS” and N00164-04-R-8535, That is the IROS3 project, 147 Navy ships will be outfitted with 2 pan/tilt LRAD’s each (go on warships). at about $70K each at , plus another 50 manual LRADS for delivery in FY ’05 (aircraft carriers have a sister project/ ACSAS that uses 5 LRADs) that has yet announce the winner of the contract. There is only 1 source for the “hailing devices”, American Technology Corp – they are in fact ATC LRAD’s.

New 4.9 million dollar ARMY order

http://atcsd.com/PressReleases/12_15_04A.html

Associated  Press version, shortly after the stock took off for the 7’s

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041215/american_technology_army_1.html

ATC reports on growing LRAD business

http://www.atcsd.com/PressReleases/08_26_04.html

And this, I don’t have a link off hand, it was posted on the SI board

SNOWE APPLAUDS PROGRESS OF LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICE DEVELOPED BY MAINE SMALL BUSINESS

American Technology Corporation in Topsham Creates Communications Equipment Used in Security Measures at Republican Convention, 2004 Olympics and Operations in Iraq
Contact: Antonia Ferrier/ (202) 224-5344
Friday, September 3, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. – A strong supporter of the Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) developed by American Technologies Corporation in Topsham, U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today hailed the progress of the company as its acoustics and force protection technology were employed by security personnel at the Republican National Convention, the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, and in ongoing military operations in the Middle East as additional security measures upon U.S. Naval ships.

“I am so pleased with the success of the long range acoustic device system developed by American Technologies – a Maine small business – particularly as it aids our nation’s military in their ongoing operations. As American Technologies continues to redefine the advanced acoustic technology market, I will continue to work with them to secure future opportunities, both militarily and commercially, that will further demonstrate their excellent work,” said Snowe, who is chair of the Senate Committee on Small Business.

Long Range Acoustic Devices allow hailing distances that often exceed 700 meters over water to approaching vessels. The devices transmit concentrated audio waves to a specific target, thereby maintaining the strength of the sound wave, rather than dissipating the sound waves over a vast medium in all directions. LRADs fulfill the requirement of the U.S. fleet to warn approaching vessels at significant ranges to alter their suspected routes through speaking directly into a microphone or by the use of prerecorded messages available in almost any language.

LRADs have been installed on Naval ships stationed in the Middle East in response to the terrorist bombing of the USS Cole. Snowe, who contacted the Navy’s Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Jay Cohen in January to convey her support for the technology being deployed with military forces in Iraq, has been working with the Navy in outfitting LRADs on the entire U.S. fleet, in addition to its current domestic security uses as demonstrated at the Republican National Convention in New York City this week. Additionally, the LRADs are currently employed by some private ferry and cruise ship lines, including the Queen Mary 2.

“As I have witnessed firsthand, the LRAD technology is an innovative means to maintain civil order and control. From the Republican Convention in New York to the Olympic Games in Athens, the security teams for these national and international events were greatly assisted by the LRAD system in managing and communicating with the large-scale crowds. I commend the ingenuity of American Technologies as they continue to expand the uses of the LRAD system to the commercial market,” continued Snowe.

American Technologies Corporation, with facilities in both San Diego, CA and Topsham, Maine, currently contracts its LRAD technology specifically for government and military applications. The concept of using this technology as a force protection tool was originally conceived within the Advanced Technology directorate at Bath Iron Works. Systems engineering, new product development and refinement of current acoustic products are all completed at the Topsham facility.

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To JIM from DH [was: To DH From JIM – God and Bush]
Date: December 25, 2004 at 6:41:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am not agnostic.

I am not Aetheist.

Chaos better describes my belief… and of course the supreme being [ bathed in purple ]

I am not nessecarily doing “GREAT” either.

But I ain’t shivering behind a dumpster in some freezing cold alleyway, scraping a crackpipe or banging a cotton

AND FOR THAT I AM GRATEFUL.

[  trying to keep it all in perspective  ]

Merry X_Mass, or whatever floats your boat this holiday season…

_.dh

On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Jim Hadey wrote:

Hi DH,

From what I heard they were planning this Iraq War back in 1975, of course I don’t believe everything I here.  Of course I would not be surprised at anything I hear either.

Now, I know your an agnostic, if I am not mistaken, but I could be wrong.  But think about it, if there is a GOD who do you think he would go to to get advice from?  You say >>>Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.<<<  At least Bush Sr had an ounce of brains, he was in charge of the C.I.A. for awhile.  Yes, he had enough sense not to occupy Iraq or else his advisors did, thank God (no offense).

All throughout the Bible God has spoken to great men and some not so great.  Once as a burning bush, then a voice from the mountain and to Noah. Yea, I’ll spare you the details.  Now, just because God talks to ya don’t mean your loseing your mind.  Look at Oral Roberts, he saw Jeses and he was either 8 or 10 feet tall, you know he would not lie.

Depleted Uranium is perfectly safe as long as you don’t breath it in or come in contact with it.  As you know even a billionth of a gram can kill you with cancer in a few years.  And it is a painful death.  But in  4 1/2 million years (or billion, I forget) years it will be all gone and safe for kids to play there.

You say GIs must buy their own armour.  Look what they get already.  Those soldiers that are stationed in Germany qualify for food stamps.  There are many voulenteers that rehabilitate the soldiers when they get part of their body blowen away.  See, they had it on TV – Honest.  They said that those injured like a blowen off leg have voulenteers come in and give of their time and services, it was on 60 minutes.  See how smart Bush is, he is saving the taxpayers millions by having the voulenteers come in and help.  Think now, D.H. you can’t have tax cuts for the rich and have it trickel down to us if we don’t cut corners.  They do this by using the voulenteers and when the soldier is in the hospital he really has no need for money so they charge them for the meals, what’s wrong with that?

Yes, Rumsfeld made mistakes but who doesn’t, except for “W”.  “W” can’t be everywhere at once.  In fact he was so busy on a classified mission he did not report for duty for months.  What could be be doing?  Of course a top secret classified mission which explanes why he was never charged with anything.  It also explains why the paper work can not be found;).

“W” never uses the word torture because he doesn’t allow it. “W”, is honest and says that they sometimes make them feel uncomfortable, which is a lot different than torture.  Torture is physical abuse or psychological abuse like beatings, rape, humiliation and electrical shock.  Of course Bush would not stand for anything like this.

Now, in all honesty, Bush SR. had some brains.  And you probably think “W” is one of the dumbest people in the Bush family.  WRONG.  They had his brother on TV, not the govenor of FL, and he was suppose to be under oath and they were asking him questions, I forget what it was all about but it was on TV about 2-3 weeks ago.  They asked him questions like did a naked women ever come to your door while you were in such and such a country.  He said he couldn’t remember.  Now you got to be a busy, hard working man not to remember something like that.  I remember everytime a naked women that I didn’t know came to my door and had sex with me.  He should of just said yes, wish them guys would do that again, even if I have to pay.  Really, he was dumber than George “W”.  Oh, I wonder if he will run for president.  With those black boxes, with no paper trail and three private companies counting our votes it is possible.  So in four more years you might have to hear them yell four more years.  Yep, it is now possible.  Of course all the ingredients for a world war is in place, we may not have 4 more years.

And since it has been a long time since I talked to you I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, no I am not being smartass.  We don’t have to agree on everything, but I do remember when we did not agree that we treated each other with respect and dignity.  So please accept the Seasons Greetings in the mannor in which it was inteded.  Me, I have been getting better, using less in the last week than anytime in the last 6 months and hope to get better and better as time goes by.  Then I hope to stay clean.  You seem to be doing GREAT, if I get to be as clean as you I’ll be happy.

Best to ya,

– JIM

D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”… – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering… if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 25, 2004 at 6:34:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ha! rock out! family events are great, even if ya have a psychotic family
(my family is fukin nuts.)  this is the first christmas ive spent with
people i know in 4 years and the first christmas/new years spent in the US
in 2 years.  i hope all are having a great day (the season formally known
as christmas, aka value exchange day!@)
good time to be had by all.
my parents thought it was funny to get me ann coulter’s new book “how to
talk to a liberal (if you have to)”
im a republican, but an “uber ass liberal republican” as i like to state
it.  but i hate that fucking bitch. 0 season greetings allocated to
coulter and crew.

smoking another christmas tree wrapped in paper for all yous!

love.
n$

LOLOLOL!!!!!!1
Thanks for posting this and sharing your good times and vibes with us.
Christmas dinner with 40 family types members of V’s family was certainly
interesting and lots of fun. Got some very cool archeology books in light
of
my current book project (research material) and V got me a year
subscription
to X-Box Live service- YAAA! I’ve been wanting this for eons and now I
have
it- tres cool.
I love her so much.
;-))
Anyway, again, thanks for sharing the bowl with us.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!  From an ex-junky, life
loving, friend/fiend.

2004 was sumthin else, but mediocrity is fucked in ’05.

xoxo
n$
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(Attached img: Me enjoying sum spliff mega bowls in respect to everyone
on
the list.) <3

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 25, 2004 at 6:23:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

=) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)<

the cats got all sorts of toys and goodies, including “a whole of tub of mind altering fun!” as one of the marketing balloons on the lid of their new catnip puts it.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “knowone knowwhere” <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all

=) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer
wish for everyone.
So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as
well please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Drug War Chronicle, Issue #368
Date: December 25, 2004 at 6:13:10 PM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Drug War Chronicle, Issue #368 (short version)Hi all,
I haven’t yet read it (just walked in from nj, so am too exhausted to do more than look at it now, so it may ream the book, but hopefully not), but note the review, entry 5 of this week’s DRCNet. (http://stopthedrugwar.org/) Thanks.
(at the URL: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/368/disinfo.shtml, as I’ve plain texted this message so the links might now work correctly.)
Hope everyone had a nice and warm and friendly and loving a christmas/solistic(late granted but nonetheless noted) celebration/gettogether as I did yesterday and today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Drug War Chronicle, Issue #368

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
EDITORIAL: DISCREDITED CONVICTIONS AND THE RULE OF LAW
Comments to the Washington Post by the Hurwitz jury foreman this week may complete the swift discrediting of the trial. Ultimately, though, the government is still to blame.
CONFLICT OVER PAIN MANAGEMENT HEATS UP AS MAINSTREAM MEDICAL GROUPS WAKE UP
The long-simmering battle between federal drug law enforcers and pain management doctors, patients, and academics over the proper use of opioid pain medications such as Oxycontin is finally turning white hot.
IN RUN-UP TO NEW EUROPEAN UNION DRUG STRATEGY, EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT ADOPTS REPORT CRITICAL OF CONTINUED DRUG WAR
Meeting in Strasbourg on December 15, a plenary session of the European Parliament approved a report on the new European Union (EU) drug strategy that bluntly calls existing EU policy “a failure” and proposes fundamental changes in European drug policy.
YOUNG REFORMERS GIVE DRUG CZAR HARD TIME AT MONITORING THE FUTURE PRESS CONFERENCE
The room temperature rose at the National Press Club Tuesday when young members of drug reform groups posing as reporters asked questions of drug czar John Walters and his clique of co-conspirators.
DRCNET BOOK REVIEW: UNDER THE INFLUENCE: THE DISINFORMATION GUIDE TO DRUGS
Under the Influence is a sampler kit of drug war essays that brings light to dark corners with energy and commitment. Editor Preston Peet has organized 49 essays into seven categories that take readers on a high-speed tour of drug war zones near and far.
LEGALIZATION TALK
Starting this issue, Drug War Chronicle will each week reprint one or two entries from our Prohibition and the Media blog, as well as let you know about other interesting developments or resources of relevance to the prohibition/legalization debate.
NEWSBRIEF: SENIOR CITIZENS SUPPORT MEDICAL MARIJUANA, AARP POLL FINDS
Nearly three out of four older Americans support legalizing the medicinal use of marijuana, a poll conducted for the American Association of Retired Persons has found.
NEWSBRIEF: THIS WEEK’S CORRUPT COPS STORIES
There is no rock ‘n’ roll, but plenty of sex and drugs in this week’s peak at corruption in the drug war.
NEWSBRIEF: FROM FEDERAL PRISON, MARTHA STEWART CALLS FOR SENTENCING REFORM
In an open letter to supporters from the federal prison where she is serving a five-month sentence, home decorating diva Martha Stewart has called for sentencing reform — especially for nonviolent and drug offenders.
NEWSBRIEF: ANACHRONISTIC LAW COULD HAMPER HEMP IN SOUTH AFRICA
A nascent industrial hemp industry in South Africa appears poised for takeoff except for one small problem: It’s illegal.
NEWSBRIEF: DUTCH OPEN FIRST RETIREMENT HOME FOR JUNKIES
The country that brought the world coffee shop weed sales and sensible harm reduction policies is at again — according to the UK newspaper The Scotsman, the world’s first retirement home for drug addicts has opened in Rotterdam, with plans for more on the way.
NEWSBRIEF: HUNGARIAN HIGH COURT OVERTURNS DRUG REFORMS
In a December 13 ruling, Hungary’s Constitutional Court restricted the use of diversion to drug treatment for some drug offenders, narrowing the scope of reform legislation enacted in 2003.
NEWSBRIEF: INTELLIGENCE BILL YIELDS NEW FEDERAL DRUG FIGHTER POSITION
The 3,000-page Intelligence Reform Act, passed earlier this month by Congress and quickly signed into law by President Bush, will add a new layer to the federal anti-drug bureaucracy.
NEWSBRIEF: FIRST CANNABIS-BASED PRESCRIPTION DRUG WINS PRELIMINARY APPROVAL IN CANADA
The Canadian government announced Tuesday that a natural marijuana extract, which will be sold under the brand name Sativex, has won preliminary approval to be prescribed as a medicine in Canada.
NEWSBRIEF: CANADIAN STUDY TO EXAMINE SAFETY OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA
Even as Canada moves toward becoming the first country to approve the cannabis-based prescription medicine Sativex, Canadian researchers announced Tuesday they are commencing a study of the safety of smoked marijuana as medicine.
NEWSBRIEF: ILLINOIS NURSES JOIN GROWING LIST OF NURSING GROUPS SUPPORTING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
conflict The long-simmering battle between federal drug law enforcers and pain management doctors, patients, and academics over the proper use of opioid pain medications such as Oxycontin is turning white hot. aarp Nearly three out of four older Americans support legalizing the use of marijuana, a poll conducted for the American Association of Retired Persons has found. sativex The Canadian government announced Tuesday that a natural marijuana extract, which will be sold under the brand name Sativex, has won approval to be prescribed as a medicine in Canada. The Illinois Nurses Association has joined at least a dozen state nursing associations and the American Nursing Association in endorsing the use of marijuana as a medicine. maps The Association for Psychedelic Studies is hiring a Membership Services and Communication/Development person for their office in Sarasota, Florida.
MEDIA SCAN
Reason magazine on the pain wars, Alexander Cockburn on Gary Webb, Faith Under Fire discusses legalization, Grits for Breakfast on the possible abolition of drug task forces in Texas, new Bureau of Justice Statistics report.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 25, 2004 at 5:13:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOLOLOL!!!!!!1
Thanks for posting this and sharing your good times and vibes with us.
Christmas dinner with 40 family types members of V’s family was certainly interesting and lots of fun. Got some very cool archeology books in light of my current book project (research material) and V got me a year subscription to X-Box Live service- YAAA! I’ve been wanting this for eons and now I have it- tres cool.
I love her so much.
;-))
Anyway, again, thanks for sharing the bowl with us.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!  From an ex-junky, life
loving, friend/fiend.

2004 was sumthin else, but mediocrity is fucked in ’05.

xoxo
n$
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

(Attached img: Me enjoying sum spliff mega bowls in respect to everyone on
the list.) <3

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 5:05:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, wish there was something I could to help you.  I’m probably no help to Marty or you since I’ve never even smoked a cigarette, and don’t know what I’m talking about.  Faith

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:05:33 -0600

may the spirit, i call it god, go with you and may it show itself to all like me and him who want to be clean and are playing hell getting there and help us. ron. i am my own worst enemy in this fight. screw myself when others try to help me.
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Ron, I totally agree,but he says this the only way anyone can overcome OC addiction.  I’m reading a book: “Wealth 101” that suggests repeating an affirmation such as “I’m free from any addiction” a thousand times at a pop. I’m going to give this info to Mart, and also what you said.  Thanks. Faith

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:09:57 -0600

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM. He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way > off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine,
but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by > >>your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve >
>>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three >
>>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his > >>guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the > >>ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to > >>Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then > >>the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands:
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than
a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to
be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and
the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to >
>>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just
think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att >
>>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose.
Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I >
>>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too
>>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of
commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut > >>>>it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in > >>>>the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are,
giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east
to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of > >>>>healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. >
>>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a > >>>>life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with
a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act > >>>>of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the
light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
> >>>>
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 4:29:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:23:48 -0800 Faith Bowling
<bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
… I’m reading a book: “Wealth 101” that suggests
repeating an affirmation such as “I’m free from any addiction” a
thousand times at a pop.

I believe that ritual repetition can build strength, because it
provides a sense of safety while challenging one to stay on track
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 4:05:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

may the spirit, i call it god, go with you and may it show itself to all like me and him who want to be clean and are playing hell getting there and help us. ron. i am my own worst enemy in this fight. screw myself when others try to help me.
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Ron, I totally agree,but he says this the only way anyone can overcome OC addiction.  I’m reading a book: “Wealth 101” that suggests repeating an affirmation such as “I’m free from any addiction” a thousand times at a pop. I’m going to give this info to Mart, and also what you said.  Thanks. Faith

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:09:57 -0600

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM. He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way > off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine,
but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by > >>your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve >
>>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three >
>>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his > >>guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the > >>ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to > >>Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then > >>the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
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> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than
a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to
be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and
the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to >
>>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just
think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att >
>>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose.
Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I >
>>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too
>>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of
commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut > >>>>it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in > >>>>the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are,
giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east
to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of > >>>>healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. >
>>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a > >>>>life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with
a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act > >>>>of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the
light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
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From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To DH From JIM – God and Bush
Date: December 25, 2004 at 3:06:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi DH,

From what I heard they were planning this Iraq War back in 1975, of course I don’t believe everything I here.  Of course I would not be surprised at anything I hear either.

Now, I know your an agnostic, if I am not mistaken, but I could be wrong.  But think about it, if there is a GOD who do you think he would go to to get advice from?  You say >>>Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.<<<  At least Bush Sr had an ounce of brains, he was in charge of the C.I.A. for awhile.  Yes, he had enough sense not to occupy Iraq or else his advisors did, thank God (no offense).

All throughout the Bible God has spoken to great men and some not so great.  Once as a burning bush, then a voice from the mountain and to Noah. Yea, I’ll spare you the details.  Now, just because God talks to ya don’t mean your loseing your mind.  Look at Oral Roberts, he saw Jeses and he was either 8 or 10 feet tall, you know he would not lie.

Depleted Uranium is perfectly safe as long as you don’t breath it in or come in contact with it.  As you know even a billionth of a gram can kill you with cancer in a few years.  And it is a painful death.  But in  4 1/2 million years (or billion, I forget) years it will be all gone and safe for kids to play there.

You say GIs must buy their own armour.  Look what they get already.  Those soldiers that are stationed in Germany qualify for food stamps.  There are many voulenteers that rehabilitate the soldiers when they get part of their body blowen away.  See, they had it on TV – Honest.  They said that those injured like a blowen off leg have voulenteers come in and give of their time and services, it was on 60 minutes.  See how smart Bush is, he is saving the taxpayers millions by having the voulenteers come in and help.  Think now, D.H. you can’t have tax cuts for the rich and have it trickel down to us if we don’t cut corners.  They do this by using the voulenteers and when the soldier is in the hospital he really has no need for money so they charge them for the meals, what’s wrong with that?

Yes, Rumsfeld made mistakes but who doesn’t, except for “W”.  “W” can’t be everywhere at once.  In fact he was so busy on a classified mission he did not report for duty for months.  What could be be doing?  Of course a top secret classified mission which explanes why he was never charged with anything.  It also explains why the paper work can not be found;).

“W” never uses the word torture because he doesn’t allow it. “W”, is honest and says that they sometimes make them feel uncomfortable, which is a lot different than torture.  Torture is physical abuse or psychological abuse like beatings, rape, humiliation and electrical shock.  Of course Bush would not stand for anything like this.

Now, in all honesty, Bush SR. had some brains.  And you probably think “W” is one of the dumbest people in the Bush family.  WRONG.  They had his brother on TV, not the govenor of FL, and he was suppose to be under oath and they were asking him questions, I forget what it was all about but it was on TV about 2-3 weeks ago.  They asked him questions like did a naked women ever come to your door while you were in such and such a country.  He said he couldn’t remember.  Now you got to be a busy, hard working man not to remember something like that.  I remember everytime a naked women that I didn’t know came to my door and had sex with me.  He should of just said yes, wish them guys would do that again, even if I have to pay.  Really, he was dumber than George “W”.  Oh, I wonder if he will run for president.  With those black boxes, with no paper trail and three private companies counting our votes it is possible.  So in four more years you might have to hear them yell four more years.  Yep, it is now possible.  Of course all the ingredients for a world war is in place, we may not have 4 more years.

And since it has been a long time since I talked to you I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, no I am not being smartass.  We don’t have to agree on everything, but I do remember when we did not agree that we treated each other with respect and dignity.  So please accept the Seasons Greetings in the mannor in which it was inteded.  Me, I have been getting better, using less in the last week than anytime in the last 6 months and hope to get better and better as time goes by.  Then I hope to stay clean.  You seem to be doing GREAT, if I get to be as clean as you I’ll be happy.

Best to ya,

– JIM

D H <dave@phantom.com> wrote:
except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”… – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering… if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list
Date: December 25, 2004 at 2:33:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To julie and bf

A big hug backxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 1:39:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Randy.  I’m in Abq. but spoke with him yesterday and he said he was going to to Prestonsburg–’bout 2 hrs. away–he has no job, and no car–think he is eventually planning on coming back to Abq. where the clinic charges $7 daily.  You can E me at bchloej@hotmail.com.  Faith

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:48:59 EST

Faith, for some reason I knew you all were from Kentucky. I was just pointing
out the situation with the methadone clinics in KY the other day. I know the
guy who runs the one in Lexington real well. The “good” clinic anyway. There
is a pay clinic he should be able to get into on Southland Drive in Lexington.
There is a 2 year waiting list to get into the good clinic because of the Oxy
problem that is rampant down home. If you get a hold of me off list I will see
if I can help.                    Randy

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 1:34:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, he knows it’s not good, but better than the alternative–the things you mentioned.  thanks.  Faith

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:19:49 -0500

Faith,
I’ve extended no friendly hand in your direction really, and for that I apologize. But I cfeel I must speak up here in response to Ron’s well meaning post.
If methadone helps keep your son from troubles with police, keeps him from buying street drugs and/or overdosing on street substances in which he has no idea what poisons and other craps has been cut, if it helps keep him employeed, living with less stress, in touch with professional care and counseling, then by all means help him get onto methadone. Keeping clean because methadone is “evil” then winding up back on street dope because he wasn’t ready to be clean and he was convinced not to go the methadone route because it’s reputed evilness, that would be not so good. This is just my opinion, and I am not overly fond of methadone, but in my own personal experience, I did very well while on methadone and was able to really turn my life around in major ways. I eventually grew tired of being on it, but I will never, under the form of prohibition we have today anyway, tell other people to not consider methadone. It is a useful tool in our society today for SOME people and should be as available as ibogaine and other tools too. Everyone reacts differently. I’m sure you probably know all this and won’t be convinced just by Ron’s single post on the issue, but I did feel I should say something.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM. He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, > but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve > >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three > >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands: > >>http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than > >>>a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to > >>>be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and > >>>the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to > >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just > >>>think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att > >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. > >>>>Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I > >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too > >>>> >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of > >>>>commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, > >>>>giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east > >>>>to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. > >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with > >>>>a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the > >>>>light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 25, 2004 at 1:23:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, I totally agree,but he says this the only way anyone can overcome OC addiction.  I’m reading a book: “Wealth 101” that suggests repeating an affirmation such as “I’m free from any addiction” a thousand times at a pop.  I’m going to give this info to Mart, and also what you said.  Thanks.  Faith

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:09:57 -0600

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve > >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three > >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
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> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to > >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att > >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I > >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. > >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Mary and Clean Christmass to all
Date: December 25, 2004 at 1:22:51 PM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mary and  Clean Christmass to all

From: IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 25, 2004 at 1:04:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brad and list,

I agree with Howard.  If a person is able to function well at a high energy job such as selling motor homes doing 660mgs. of methadone a day, it would appear his metabolism may be burning through the methadone very fast.  And so 660 for him may be like doing 120 for someone else.  A gradual protocol of either the indra or the hcl with no time constrants is the way to go.
Eric

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 25, 2004 at 12:22:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HJi Schmoolyboy,

600mg is just a number and Shinderman is one of the best methadone doctors
around.  He is a research/hands on doctor.  He actially treats patients rather
than being a figurehead doctor as exist in many clinics.

Concerning treating patients on 600+mg of methadone. I think Sara has the
technology down.  If you have a high methadone dose patient, stay with them and
treat and treat and retreat with ibogaine and whatever else it takes until the
job is done.  Being locked into a single dose paradigm is not practicing
medicine as I am sure you understand.

Warmest wishes for the holidays and the new year.

Regards as always,

Howard

In a message dated 12/24/04 10:47:49 PM, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

<< Dr Shinderman in Chicago is the only meth Doc that prescribes those kinds
of
dosages. He has a patient on 2400 mgs of meth and he states she functions
well. It is so easy to get the dose you want there that there is little to no

illicit meth in Chicago. Tell him you wan to go up and its done. Drop a dirty

and you are not punished but your dose is increased.

On one hand, those patients seem to stop smoking crack, etc.,. so there the
positive.

On the other hand-They are never ever getting off. I have seen Ibo get
someone on 280 mgs meth clean but it was shaky and hard. He was smart enough
to  go
to 90 day residential treatment after IBO because the Post acute
withdrawal/mostly anxiety even post IBO was huge,,,,but he made it and has 6
months
clean.

Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I  fear >>

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list
Date: December 25, 2004 at 11:20:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Merry Christmas, and to all a good hit….er I mean night…light incense and smell cinnamon and enjoy the lights.                   Randy

From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list
Date: December 25, 2004 at 11:18:08 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Happy holliday for all the members of this list and for all the one who  are
not.
Good Bless
Francis

Let’s hope for peace for 2005

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] happy holidays, dear ibo list
Date: December 25, 2004 at 10:25:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear all,

Regardless of your religious (or non) affiliation, I
would love to give each and every one of you a big
holiday hug, and extend to all the best of the
season…

love Julie and her boyfriend R.

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 25, 2004 at 10:23:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

haha,

that was excellent!!!  I would love to see more photos
of the list members…maybe I’ll post some of my
own…

Julie

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – ro…
Date: December 25, 2004 at 8:58:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear All

Merry Xmas and a happy clean new yearxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] !b0 Found Growing in Dali Lama, Ann Coulter’s Skull
Date: December 25, 2004 at 4:21:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!  From an ex-junky, life
loving, friend/fiend.

2004 was sumthin else, but mediocrity is fucked in ’05.

xoxo
n$
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

(Attached img: Me enjoying sum spliff mega bowls in respect to everyone on
the list.) <3

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 24, 2004 at 10:46:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr Shinderman in Chicago is the only meth Doc that prescribes those kinds of dosages. He has a patient on 2400 mgs of meth and he states she functions well. It is so easy to get the dose you want there that there is little to no illicit meth in Chicago. Tell him you wan to go up and its done. Drop a dirty and you are not punished but your dose is increased.

On one hand, those patients seem to stop smoking crack, etc.,. so there the positive.

On the other hand-They are never ever getting off. I have seen Ibo get someone on 280 mgs meth clean but it was shaky and hard. He was smart enough to go to 90 day residential treatment after IBO because the Post acute withdrawal/mostly anxiety even post IBO was huge,,,,but he made it and has 6 months clean.

Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fear

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – ron chiminging in
Date: December 24, 2004 at 5:57:09 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Dear list,

Thankyou for your kindness and support,
it has been like a mountain at my back.

I hope you all enjoy your Christmas and
your year is filled with joy and love.

with much love,Jasen. oo

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 24, 2004 at 4:19:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

=) Hope V ‘n U (‘n the cats) have good one too =)

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer
wish for everyone.
So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as
well please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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From: Rachel Radhakrishna <rachelradha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 24, 2004 at 4:16:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

dear all, esp. Kristy… I love that it’s already
christmas where you are.  Happy christmas to all the
kiwis and aussies, and in a few more hours to all the
euros, and then to us too.   love (in exile), rachy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] merry christmas and happy holidays to all
Date: December 24, 2004 at 3:59:28 PM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just wanted to post really quick a holiday cheer wish for everyone.
So merry christmas and for the rest happiness as well please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – ron chiminging in
Date: December 24, 2004 at 3:54:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

odd thing for me, i smoked 20 yrs. dropped them when i got straight in ’79, no problem.  never had another urge. even when i p/u again a few yrs. ago , the urge never returned.  wish like hell it worked that way for me for all this other crap i can’t put down. i whine on a bad night’s sleep. withdrawals scare me to death yet i’ve kicked c/t countless times in jail in my ealry years. i just thought that was the way you busted a jones.  no lists, no ibo, just a chain gang in the swamp in florida.  of course now i’ve got this gig i’m trying to hold on to and tons of responsiblity for others and i’m a wuss. wonder what happened?my best friend was a pathologist who looked at cancerous lung tissue every day. he kicked all the drugs/alcohol but couldn’t shake nicotine.and it killed him. i only write this b/c it may raise issues worthy of discussion or help the list break their delete keys in, ron  , with kind regards      —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances

Hi Dana !!

Thank you for your precious information. I just tried a protocol raising
level of dopamine and serotonine using Gaba, 5HTP and Lecitin. This was
supposed to fix my compulsive behavior regardind cigs. Infornutely, nothing
happens and I am still at two packs a day 🙁

I have a very bizzare reaction to chemicals in general for example a Vallium
will keep me up all night and I will sleep like a baby after several cups of
stong Cuban coffe. In fact I never take any meds, not knowing the reaction
on my craving brain. I know that I have an addiction to sugars ( coffe,
alcohool, cigarettes, they spray the dam tobacco with up to 3 sugars !! )

Maybee Glutamate will be the key to break my addiction .
Do you have some info or protocol on using Glutamate ?
Kindest regards
God Bless
Francis
I will do soon Ibo  mini session

Hi Lee !!
Thank you, man, for all your informations. I always enjoy your E-Mail and
we have a lot in common from what I read.!! Soon , depending how fast I will
sell my business, I will start a facility where I will provide Ibogaine….
I hopes that by this summer I will be done with business.

You wrote :
“-  have sometimes returned to smoking out of exhaustion at the duration of
the healing process and the desire to indulge myself a little bit along the
way!”

* “Exhaustion at the duration of the healing process….” what do you mean
exactly ?

kindest regards
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing &
ibogaine – Att. Frances

On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:

> Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging
> for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification.
> Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few
> and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The
> first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the
> smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body
> agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…

That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix
from the nicotine.  Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down
while picking you up.

Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that
dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the
addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving,
not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.

Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could
not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they
lost interest and went back to food and water.

With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you
feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free
radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!

Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just
work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate
firing. As I understand it.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON
Date: December 24, 2004 at 3:19:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i barely speak one and do it for a living so that trumps me. not here to fight, i guess sometimes these posts catch me off guard and i make some smart assed comeback. usually regret it the next day, thought i sent an appropriate peace offering. guess i was wrong. ron,
cyber moron
—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON

BTW,

Fake Placebo’s first language is NOT English, so
penalization for punctuation/apostrophes should be
waived.

J.

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON
Date: December 24, 2004 at 11:53:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BTW,

Fake Placebo’s first language is NOT English, so
penalization for punctuation/apostrophes should be
waived.

J.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Preston
Date: December 24, 2004 at 11:07:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you make a good point, no argument with it.  i took a “half step” b/c  i wasn’t ready and am jammed now.  Faith, do what you have to to save the kid. the forum is a great place to hear all sides. ron, well wishes Preston , wish we had more tools     —– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith,
I’ve extended no friendly hand in your direction really, and for that I apologize. But I cfeel I must speak up here in response to Ron’s well meaning post.
If methadone helps keep your son from troubles with police, keeps him from buying street drugs and/or overdosing on street substances in which he has no idea what poisons and other craps has been cut, if it helps keep him employeed, living with less stress, in touch with professional care and counseling, then by all means help him get onto methadone. Keeping clean because methadone is “evil” then winding up back on street dope because he wasn’t ready to be clean and he was convinced not to go the methadone route because it’s reputed evilness, that would be not so good. This is just my opinion, and I am not overly fond of methadone, but in my own personal experience, I did very well while on methadone and was able to really turn my life around in major ways. I eventually grew tired of being on it, but I will never, under the form of prohibition we have today anyway, tell other people to not consider methadone. It is a useful tool in our society today for SOME people and should be as available as ibogaine and other tools too. Everyone reacts differently. I’m sure you probably know all this and won’t be convinced just by Ron’s single post on the issue, but I did feel I should say something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM. He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way > off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, > but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by > >>your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve > >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three > >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his > >>guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the > >>ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to > >>Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then > >>the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands: > >>http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than > >>>a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to > >>>be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and > >>>the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to > >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just > >>>think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att > >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. > >>>>Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I > >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too
> >>>> >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of > >>>>commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut > >>>>it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in > >>>>the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, > >>>>giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east > >>>>to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of > >>>>healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. > >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a > >>>>life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with > >>>>a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act > >>>>of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the > >>>>light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON
Date: December 24, 2004 at 10:58:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi fakeplacebo and all,

You know sometimes asking for help is just asking for help as a process and a
philosophy. A reaching out to others.  Or maybe even just not wanting to take
another step yourself which in my opinion is all OK stuff. I mean, I didn’t
jump into help anyone as I figured there are enough people on this list to do
whatever it is they do and eventually anyone asking for help will get it. So if
it is a little bumpy getting there that is OK too.

A wonderful 2005 to all.

Howard

In a message dated 12/24/04 4:23:57 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:

<< Yes Ron I’m so sorry for been very rude. Realy sorry. I made mistake. But
as

I said before after Iboga I have no tolerance anymore. Maybe I’ll be better

by the time.

Best Regards

—– Original Message —–

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>

To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

don’t forget to wish him peace and love and the inner light as he

struggles.

computers can be daunting to those that lack your prowess.  you missed an

apostrophe on that’s. i didn’t use any caps. bush went to yale. ron, motor

moron in cyberspace

—– Original Message —–

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>

To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:07 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

Dear Friend,

Do you know your average IQ degree? Maybe thats why you need someone to

unsubscribe yourself.

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From: <STOV753@aol.com>

To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:52 PM

Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE

Get me off this list!!

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 24, 2004 at 10:57:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirsty:
i’m not always right, strung out  myself . did the meth thing and it was a bitch. in retrospect, maybe straight is the final goal, i always screwed my self up when took a half step and kept chms in my body.  that’s what got me where i’m at today.  if i had bit the freaking bullet a cpl of yrs ago, i w/n be in my current jam. lot of people sure want off meth.  and i’m no poster boy for being straight.
meth ain’t free in the states, and alot of clinics are raking in bucks. got a chiropractor who owns ten of them in the area, counselors encourage people to up dose.
thanks for the well wishes, love your country, did the Milford Track one time. had i been on meth or benzos, c/n have done it.  to better days, love , ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

I have to disagree there…. when there IS no other choice then it’s
certainly NOT a bad thing.  Until we have more choices then DONE has to be
it.  It has helped a lot of people and I;m sure they don’t think having a
productive life is evil at all.
No offense dude…..for us in NZ it is free and that by the sounds is a huge
bonus.  I know a lot of people who are still alive today because of
methadone.  Getting straight just like that ….would be nice huh but if the
time and head space aint right, there’s just no point.
Love n hugs, and hope you’re doing ok Ron :o)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 24 December 2004 5:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight.

Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130

people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He
may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.
When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank
you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this
a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help
him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve
> >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three
> >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin
> >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I
> >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to
> >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att
> >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I
> >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some
> >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion.
> >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you
> >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON
Date: December 24, 2004 at 10:39:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i do dumb stuff all the time and wish i could take it back.
i’m 54 now, the older i get the more tolerant i get b/c i keep f**king up so much.  you’re not alone and although i’m one sick pup, i know a sure sign of good character and that is the ablility to admit a  poor choice and apologize.  sounds like you’re doing ok, not that i should be dishing out advice on character with my handbook of flaws.
bust my ass when i start whining again, like schmooly does.
ron.

—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 3:22 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON

Yes Ron I’m so sorry for been very rude. Realy sorry. I made mistake. But as
I said before after Iboga I have no tolerance anymore. Maybe I’ll be better
by the time.

Best Regards

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

don’t forget to wish him peace and love and the inner light as he
struggles.
computers can be daunting to those that lack your prowess.  you missed an
apostrophe on that’s. i didn’t use any caps. bush went to yale. ron, motor
moron in cyberspace
—– Original Message —–
From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

> Dear Friend,
> Do you know your average IQ degree? Maybe thats why you need someone to
> unsubscribe yourself.
> —– Original Message —–
> From: <STOV753@aol.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE
>
>
>> Get me off this list!!
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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 24, 2004 at 9:08:25 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehhhe, nah just a Jam Pan!  Geez. I really cant imagine 4 kg, unless he did it all up at once, boiled it down and had several drinks a day…..still, ughies
I’m on about 45-50. forgot to ask what the last increase was……as I slipped up a couple of times when the stress got TOO MUCH and had some seed.  Ohhhh how dare I be a addict ay:? Had to explain that one to the counsellor, thought she woulda figured it out….. rome weren’t built in a day and I really do want to stabilise on the done til I can iboga it (oh boga!! Lol) and yeh I just need to find other ways of dealing with stress. Easy peasy!  They seem pretty cruisy here with the done, as opposed to when I was on it in 1995. Man, every urine was observed and it was just nazi-like, but there seems to be some Real people there now.
Well a Merry Hairy Xmas to you all out there…..I’m turning communist, capitalism sux at this time of year!!!!!! BAH HUMBUG!!
Luff heaps
Kirk
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 25 December 2004 1:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses

4 kilo’s of poppy seed a day!!! What the hell do yall make that stuff in? A 55 gallon drum?LOL The clinics over sea’s seem to have some kind of problem with methadone doses. I was on methadone for years and so were most of my using buddies eventually. Here in the states I don’t think that there is any set dose for people. I started at 40 and went to 80 mg.’s in about a month the first time and got as high as 120 mg.’s. Of course I had a scam going and I actually took about 240 mg.’s most of the time. I didn’t even get high most of the time it was just dope addict behavior. People are different and I feel for the addicts that get shoe horned into some kind of bracket and can’t get enough medicine to really help.     Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 24, 2004 at 7:09:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

4 kilo’s of poppy seed a day!!! What the hell do yall make that stuff in? A 55 gallon drum?LOL The clinics over sea’s seem to have some kind of problem with methadone doses. I was on methadone for years and so were most of my using buddies eventually. Here in the states I don’t think that there is any set dose for people. I started at 40 and went to 80 mg.’s in about a month the first time and got as high as 120 mg.’s. Of course I had a scam going and I actually took about 240 mg.’s most of the time. I didn’t even get high most of the time it was just dope addict behavior. People are different and I feel for the addicts that get shoe horned into some kind of bracket and can’t get enough medicine to really help.     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 24, 2004 at 6:48:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith, for some reason I knew you all were from Kentucky. I was just pointing out the situation with the methadone clinics in KY the other day. I know the guy who runs the one in Lexington real well. The “good” clinic anyway. There is a pay clinic he should be able to get into on Southland Drive in Lexington. There is a 2 year waiting list to get into the good clinic because of the Oxy problem that is rampant down home. If you get a hold of me off list I will see if I can help.                    Randy

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 24, 2004 at 5:42:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to disagree there…. when there IS no other choice then it’s
certainly NOT a bad thing.  Until we have more choices then DONE has to be
it.  It has helped a lot of people and I;m sure they don’t think having a
productive life is evil at all.
No offense dude…..for us in NZ it is free and that by the sounds is a huge
bonus.  I know a lot of people who are still alive today because of
methadone.  Getting straight just like that ….would be nice huh but if the
time and head space aint right, there’s just no point.
Love n hugs, and hope you’re doing ok Ron :o)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 24 December 2004 5:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight.

Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130

people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He
may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.
When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank
you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this
a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help
him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
don’t believe it will help. Faith

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500

Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
Until,
martee
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
<GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve
been
less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three
providers
of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin
to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:

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_.dh

On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I
do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to
destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att
Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I
posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some
of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion.
That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you
to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

Remove me form your mailing list, please.

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] WHERE IS THE OBVIOUS!!!!/how to unsubscribe
Date: December 24, 2004 at 5:27:08 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
Kirk
(great minds type alike)

—–Original Message—–
From: knowone knowwhere [mailto:kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 9:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] WHERE IS THE OBVIOUS!!!!/how to unsubscribe

— Tsgam@aol.com wrote:

Tell me how the hell I get off this list. someone
pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It took allot of work, but I finally got them to agree
to let you out.

“If you see a door walk through it.”

The combination is…

ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

(that is:  send an e-mail to this address, click your
heels three times and eat shit)

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 24, 2004 at 5:26:31 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, there’s a door down the hall to the left, turn right and follow the corridor til you get to a sign that says “to unsubscribe from this list please follow these instructions” (usually printed at the bottom of every email, or on the mindvox home page)
All the best and hope you don’t get lost.
Ka Kite
Kirk
From: Tsgam@aol.com [mailto:Tsgam@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 8:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Tell me how the hell I get off this list. someone pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

In a message dated 12/22/2004 11:11:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Hey Julie,
you gorgeous girl,you.

I glow when I read an email from you.
You give me energy.

I feel like there is an umbilical cord of energy
coming out of me, twisting,..like a worm of light fusion,
flowing towards you and others on this list.

Like I have tentacles coming out of me.

One other thing I experienced whilst on the Iboga
was after the initial first night, in the morning, I felt as
if my heart had been turned inside out, red raw and twisted.

I had to put my hands over my heart as if to cradle it,..
it was red raw. If I moved or went to get up, it felt as
if I moved to fast I would leave my heart behind,like your
stomach on a roller coaster.

This lasted for approx 48 hours of me holding my
heart before I started to
feel the honey filling my heart,nourishing it until it overflowed.

Sipping merlot….,WOW this red wine stuff is great.
I have not ever really enjoyed wine,..now I think red wine
tastes fantastic.I have a glass with a meal,..I tell you what,
I have been missing out.

How do I feel?
Day 36. Sleeping 6 to 8 hours out of every 24.
Pretty good I reckon.
Still edgy, restless and low in physical energy,…a couple of more weeks.
about o to 15 % withdrawals still,..but what can I expect after 23 years of 
opiate abuse.

It cannot all be taken away from me,will power must also drive the healing.
Something must be left behind and it is through this that I will emerge 
stronger,
faster better,….we can rebuild him.

Listening to Eric Clapton.

                   Love Jasen.



—– Original Message —– 
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season


> Dear Jasen,
>
> It is so nice to hear your glowing voice!  Man, I’m so
> jealous.  The first five weeks after Ibo I didn’t
> touch any substance except weed, and even then
> sparsely.
>
> Jasen, keep it up!!  You are infusing this list with a
> gorgeous halo of positivity.
>
> How are you feeling now?  How long has it been?  1
> Month? a bit longer?  I think I speak for many on this
> list when I say “We’re proud of you, sweetie!”
>
> More soon,
> Julie
>
>
>
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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 24, 2004 at 5:22:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh sure, everybody is different and will require different amounts. There’s
a client here at the Done clinic who is on 80 mg of methadone a day and I
gather will be put up  more and more, cos he is also using 4 KG of poppy
seed tea per day…. fark that is a helluva lot! I was using a kilo a day
and thought that was heaps!! So, I gather they are trying to wean him
without being too drastic. I’m very surprised they have him on the program,
but must be extenuating circumstances. Depends how humane the clinic is I
guess…

—–Original Message—–
From: Brad Fisher [mailto:brad.fisher@guaranty.com]
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 8:48 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses

Concerning higher than normal Methadone doses, check out (www.atforum.com),
dosing up to 1000 and higher is not out of the question. Fortunately for
people that do need this, it is being understood and accepted. I know I
would not be here today with out this acceptance.
I have brought attention to this as many people had questions about a dose
of 600 mg. The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be  superior to any
extension of our addiction…
bf

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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m realy sorry RON
Date: December 24, 2004 at 4:22:56 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes Ron I’m so sorry for been very rude. Realy sorry. I made mistake. But as
I said before after Iboga I have no tolerance anymore. Maybe I’ll be better
by the time.

Best Regards

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

don’t forget to wish him peace and love and the inner light as he
struggles.
computers can be daunting to those that lack your prowess.  you missed an
apostrophe on that’s. i didn’t use any caps. bush went to yale. ron, motor
moron in cyberspace
—– Original Message —–
From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

Dear Friend,
Do you know your average IQ degree? Maybe thats why you need someone to
unsubscribe yourself.
—– Original Message —–
From: <STOV753@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE

Get me off this list!!

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ
Date: December 24, 2004 at 12:42:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don’t forget to wish him peace and love and the inner light as he struggles. computers can be daunting to those that lack your prowess.  you missed an apostrophe on that’s. i didn’t use any caps. bush went to yale. ron, motor moron in cyberspace
—– Original Message —– From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ

Dear Friend,
Do you know your average IQ degree? Maybe thats why you need someone to
unsubscribe yourself.
—– Original Message —–
From: <STOV753@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE

Get me off this list!!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 23, 2004 at 11:19:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,
I’ve extended no friendly hand in your direction really, and for that I apologize. But I cfeel I must speak up here in response to Ron’s well meaning post.
If methadone helps keep your son from troubles with police, keeps him from buying street drugs and/or overdosing on street substances in which he has no idea what poisons and other craps has been cut, if it helps keep him employeed, living with less stress, in touch with professional care and counseling, then by all means help him get onto methadone. Keeping clean because methadone is “evil” then winding up back on street dope because he wasn’t ready to be clean and he was convinced not to go the methadone route because it’s reputed evilness, that would be not so good. This is just my opinion, and I am not overly fond of methadone, but in my own personal experience, I did very well while on methadone and was able to really turn my life around in major ways. I eventually grew tired of being on it, but I will never, under the form of prohibition we have today anyway, tell other people to not consider methadone. It is a useful tool in our society today for SOME people and should be as available as ibogaine and other tools too. Everyone reacts differently. I’m sure you probably know all this and won’t be convinced just by Ron’s single post on the issue, but I did feel I should say something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM. He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list. Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, > but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve > >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three > >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands: > >>http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than > >>>a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to > >>>be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and > >>>the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to > >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just > >>>think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att > >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. > >>>>Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I > >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too > >>>> >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of > >>>>commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, > >>>>giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east > >>>>to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. > >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with > >>>>a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the > >>>>light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
> >>>>
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 23, 2004 at 11:09:57 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith:
Methadone is evil, cheaper than oxys but bad news. He needs to get straight. Period.  For what it’s worth. Ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in. When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.
The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the
street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt,
says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,
martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by
your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your
son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve > >>been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three > >>providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W”
stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin > >>to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
> >>
> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go
buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq
to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet
ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp
agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
> >>
> >>unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:
> >>
> >>Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
> >>
> >>_.dh
> >>
> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I > >>>do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to > >>>destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and
many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att > >>>>Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I > >>>>posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some > >>>>of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to
think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for
all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from
very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. > >>>>That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life
of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics
and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you > >>>>to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Remove me form your mailing list, please.
> >>>>
> >>>>_________________________________________________________________
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> >>>>
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> >>>>available here:
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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 23, 2004 at 2:47:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Frances, he’s in a small Ky. county called Breathitt.  There were over 130 people died in one year there form ODing.  I’m currently in Abq. NM.  He may come here, there’s lots of Methadone clinics and it’s easy to get in.  When he gets with me, I’ll ask him to contact people on the list.  Thank you for your concern and the prayers.  Faith
From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:24:07 -0500

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

> Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.  The
> problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
> right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the street.
I
> feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
> don’t believe it will help. Faith
>
> >From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500
> >
> >Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt, says
> >it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
> >                                                       Until,      martee
> >—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
> ><GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
> >
> >
> >>Hi Faith !
> >>              How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by your
> >>pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your son
(
> >>if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve been
> >>less
> >>time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three  providers
of
> >>Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
> >>. So what the F** is going on ?/!
> >>If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
> >>ass to help him.
> >>Kindest regards
> >>God bless
> >>Francis
> >>
> >>
> >>—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
> >>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
> >>
> >>
> >>except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
> >>deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
> >>War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
> >>started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.
> >>
> >>Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
> >>Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
> >>mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
> >>fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
> >>from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
> >>”I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
> >>makes is all okee-dokee.
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> >>maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
> >>domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
> >>stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
> >>neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
> >>help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
> >>you’ll have to make your own armour.
> >>
> >>Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
> >>goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
> >>is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
> >>radiation will.
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> >>On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:
> >>
> >>>Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do
> >>>have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
> >>>”terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
> >>>full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
> >>>innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
> >>>mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy
> >>>innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
> >>>should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many
> >>>other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
> >>>differently than most in this group.  Faith
> >>>
> >>>>From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
> >>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
> >>>>for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted
> >>>>my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
> >>>>sore?
> >>>>
> >>>>Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of
> >>>>the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
> >>>>listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
> >>>>you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think
> >>>>what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
> >>>>both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
> >>>>other. They dont sit together.
> >>>>
> >>>>Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
> >>>>blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
> >>>>us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
> >>>>life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
> >>>>be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very
> >>>>basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
> >>>>Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That
> >>>>changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
> >>>>left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
> >>>>parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of
> >>>>misery.
> >>>>
> >>>>If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and
> >>>>do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
> >>>>tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
> >>>>kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to
> >>>>discover the common humanity that joins us all.
> >>>>
> >>>>I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
> >>>>of compassion in the year that comes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Love & Light
> >>>>
> >>>>Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
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From: <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) ..”tidings of comfort and joy”
Date: December 23, 2004 at 12:40:26 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As you all move to the happy holiday times with your loved ones, send a
prayer or meditation to the Sunni Iraqis. Those ancient cousins are
holding up against the worst export of misery the oil cartels can heap on
them. All in the name of “freedom”. Give another prayer for the US troops,
also victims of the Western thirst for oil and power, may they survive and
teach their families why war makes enemies of us all.

One sure way to overcome the holiday doldrums and gain an extra burst
of energy is to fast. This discipline can range from skipping dinner,
to longer term affairs.

There are numerous references to this simple power generator in all
types of spiritual texts. One of my favorites comes from the 14th
century Islamic poet Rumi (you can read some of his best poems in the
book “The Essential Rumi — by Coleman Barks):

Fasting

“There’s hidden sweetness in the stomach’s emptiness, We are lutes, no
more no less. If the sound box is stuffed full of anything, no music.
If the brain and the belly are burning clean with fasting, every moment
a new song comes out of the fire. The fog clears, and a new energy
makes you run up the steps in front of you. Be emptier and cry like
reed instruments cry. Emptier, write secrets with the reed pen. When
you’re full of food and drink, an ugly metal statue sits where your
spirit should. When you fast, good habits gather like friends who want
to help. Fasting is Solomon’s ring. Don’t give in to illusion and lose
your powers, but even if you have, if you’ve lost all will and control,
they come back when you fast, like soldiers appearing out of the
ground, pendants flying above them. A table descends to your tents,
Jesus’ table. Expect to see it, when you fast, this table spread with
other food, better than the broth of cabbages.”

How explicit this is in such an awe inspiring way! We can learn from
our Islamic brothers about balance. Physical austerity is necessary in
times of abundance.

When the hour is darkest know that the light will come. But also
understand that there is enormous power and positive energy in the
darkness and emptiness as well.

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From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Fake Placebo and julie
Date: December 23, 2004 at 10:25:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jeff here
Hi all
I was treated about 6 and a 1/2 weeks ago still feeling it.
my calfs ache and when i get tired or after i eat my spine.
started going to an amazing chiro/energy guy an Amma devotee(BTW Rachy did not mean to send the Ammachi link t th list) and it helps
sleep is OK 5-6 hours r even a touch more I am in bed at 10 ish and up at 7  and dont sleep sound BUT I am dreaming again after ten years I love it!!
my energy is still not full but i am pushing myself and well …
It hasn’t been easy but no cravings no worries still feeling a lil bit of the ibo glow and loving it  even with it subsiding i feel the experience as a blessing that will  last long after it goes away and i am looking foward to another full session within a year…
feeling the freedom that i just now have no handcuffs none and i love it
going to move within the year to somewhere warm and sunny without the nyc vibe which has so changed in thelast few years  it is untenablke for me to stay
also i was thinking in those first two weeks when the noribo is flooding and you are feeling it fully do yoou think a trip to vegas would pay i felt unbeatable like i would see the cards as they fall but of course the house always wins…like…
loveall happy holidays and
freak free
jeff

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Fake Placebo
Date: December 23, 2004 at 9:45:32 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear FP,

Please don’t take my discouraging ramblings as your
future.  I have been very stressed recently, and that
is why I am experiencing cravings.

I was treated sometime around Oct.12 (give or take a
few days), and my ‘glow’ lasted until about 2 weeks
ago, when I started getting inundated by the ‘spirit
of Christmas’, which in my opinion, is nothing more
than an overly commercialized holiday for suckers.

I am pretty much 100% back to normal- no aches, pains,
loss of energy, etc…sleeping patterns still screwed,
but I think that’s because of the cold medicines I
have been taking recently.

Please don’t think that my present is going to be your
future.  Look at how great Randy is doing, and he was
treated a few weeks before me.

FP, you sound amazing,

love Julie

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 23, 2004 at 9:11:10 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve been reading this topic a couple of days now and I have to say that the whole Ibogaine experience is such an amazing thing it just floors me. I had a vision of the Earth disappearing from view from the port hole of a space ship and I knew right away the significance of what I was seeing. It made me aware of how small we are in the scheme of life, yet huge in our spiritual being. My soul/spirituality wasn’t such a riddle to me then. It made me realize that my spirituality is what gets me through life. Having this faith now has taken a great weight off of my shoulders. In layman’s terms, I don’t sweat the small shit near as much because I know better things are coming. I think that the visions are as important as the addiction interruption aspects of Ibogaine. It’s very life affirming and generally cures what ails ye.               Randy

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Julie (Miss Iboga)
Date: December 23, 2004 at 5:56:04 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Julie,

For last two days I could be avaible to sleep around 6-7 hours and my muscle pains are over now. I feel realy strong (not strong as I was before Iboga and Oppiates but it’s pretty good right now) I have no experienced any crawings to oppiates.

But I worried about future that’s because you experienced it. Do you suppose that I’ll feel like you experienced. Beacuse your Ibo treatment day was older than mine.

Nowadays how do you feel? Beacuse your past could be my future.

And your treatment success couraged me.

Best Regards
Fake Placebo

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE and IQ
Date: December 23, 2004 at 5:07:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Friend,
Do you know your average IQ degree? Maybe thats why you need someone to
unsubscribe yourself.
—– Original Message —–
From: <STOV753@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE

Get me off this list!!

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] WHERE IS THE OBVIOUS!!!!/how to unsubscribe
Date: December 23, 2004 at 3:01:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Tsgam@aol.com wrote:

Tell me how the hell I get off this list. someone
pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It took allot of work, but I finally got them to agree
to let you out.

“If you see a door walk through it.”

The combination is…

ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

(that is:  send an e-mail to this address, click your
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From: Tsgam@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 23, 2004 at 2:29:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tell me how the hell I get off this list. someone pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

In a message dated 12/22/2004 11:11:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Hey Julie,
you gorgeous girl,you.

I glow when I read an email from you.
You give me energy.

I feel like there is an umbilical cord of energy
coming out of me, twisting,..like a worm of light fusion,
flowing towards you and others on this list.

Like I have tentacles coming out of me.

One other thing I experienced whilst on the Iboga
was after the initial first night, in the morning, I felt as
if my heart had been turned inside out, red raw and twisted.

I had to put my hands over my heart as if to cradle it,..
it was red raw. If I moved or went to get up, it felt as
if I moved to fast I would leave my heart behind,like your
stomach on a roller coaster.

This lasted for approx 48 hours of me holding my
heart before I started to
feel the honey filling my heart,nourishing it until it overflowed.

Sipping merlot….,WOW this red wine stuff is great.
I have not ever really enjoyed wine,..now I think red wine
tastes fantastic.I have a glass with a meal,..I tell you what,
I have been missing out.

How do I feel?
Day 36. Sleeping 6 to 8 hours out of every 24.
Pretty good I reckon.
Still edgy, restless and low in physical energy,…a couple of more weeks.
about o to 15 % withdrawals still,..but what can I expect after 23 years of
opiate abuse.

It cannot all be taken away from me,will power must also drive the healing.
Something must be left behind and it is through this that I will emerge
stronger,
faster better,….we can rebuild him.

Listening to Eric Clapton.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

> Dear Jasen,
>
> It is so nice to hear your glowing voice!  Man, I’m so
> jealous.  The first five weeks after Ibo I didn’t
> touch any substance except weed, and even then
> sparsely.
>
> Jasen, keep it up!!  You are infusing this list with a
> gorgeous halo of positivity.
>
> How are you feeling now?  How long has it been?  1
> Month? a bit longer?  I think I speak for many on this
> list when I say “We’re proud of you, sweetie!”
>
> More soon,
> Julie
>
>
>
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 23, 2004 at 2:11:05 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,
you gorgeous girl,you.

I glow when I read an email from you.
You give me energy.

I feel like there is an umbilical cord of energy
coming out of me, twisting,..like a worm of light fusion,
flowing towards you and others on this list.

Like I have tentacles coming out of me.

One other thing I experienced whilst on the Iboga
was after the initial first night, in the morning, I felt as
if my heart had been turned inside out, red raw and twisted.

I had to put my hands over my heart as if to cradle it,..
it was red raw. If I moved or went to get up, it felt as
if I moved to fast I would leave my heart behind,like your
stomach on a roller coaster.

This lasted for approx 48 hours of me holding my
heart before I started to
feel the honey filling my heart,nourishing it until it overflowed.

Sipping merlot….,WOW this red wine stuff is great.
I have not ever really enjoyed wine,..now I think red wine
tastes fantastic.I have a glass with a meal,..I tell you what,
I have been missing out.

How do I feel?
Day 36. Sleeping 6 to 8 hours out of every 24.
Pretty good I reckon.
Still edgy, restless and low in physical energy,…a couple of more weeks.
about o to 15 % withdrawals still,..but what can I expect after 23 years of opiate abuse.

It cannot all be taken away from me,will power must also drive the healing.
Something must be left behind and it is through this that I will emerge stronger,
faster better,….we can rebuild him.

Listening to Eric Clapton.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear Jasen,

It is so nice to hear your glowing voice!  Man, I’m so
jealous.  The first five weeks after Ibo I didn’t
touch any substance except weed, and even then
sparsely.

Jasen, keep it up!!  You are infusing this list with a
gorgeous halo of positivity.

How are you feeling now?  How long has it been?  1
Month? a bit longer?  I think I speak for many on this
list when I say “We’re proud of you, sweetie!”

More soon,
Julie

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 23, 2004 at 1:48:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick, your answer was really beautiful and I so
much agree with what you said. I’ve never been able to
hold on to those moments or write them out nearly as
well, but I think that’s it 🙂

Carla B

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven &
Hell – att Jasen

Hi Jasen,

Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended)
but I am sorry, I dont
think it is that simple.

Lee,

The truth is very simple when it hits. It is
insanely simple. I was in the
Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM
Marathon after several
days not sleeping and I saw it for a few
milliseconds. Like the mind is
created entirely by light, the world is created
entirely of light, and there
is no possibility that anything isn’t actually
light. All there is is the
IDEA that something isn’t, the IDEA that it isn’t
total in itself, that it
needs something, that it’s a bit fucked up. All this
vast cosmos of light
can create to make anyone even be bothered to look
at it is the IDEA that it
needs something to make it into something. That’s
all there is in this vast
lightness, the IDEA that there is something which
ISN’T light itself, an
idea created itself out of light. Light amusing
itself with the idea that it
isn’t light. And out of this, shit, you can create
such complexity! It’s
hysterical. The ego this, and the soul this, and my
parents this, and my
traumas that, and all this stuff we all do, but all
it takes is a few
milliseconds of seeing just how insanely fucking
simple it really is and it
takes it all away. And maybe it comes back but then
somewhere you know it’s
bullshit.

Nick

In my experience we live from life to life and
traumas from earliers
life’s can be stored in the soul. I think a lot of
the work with
ibogaine/eboga is actually healing of the soul. This
means that the soul can
be in different states and if for example, a soul is
deeply afflicted, the
loss of the ego does not in itself remove the
affliction.

Your experience of the ego dropping away and
entering into a blissful
union is imo in the words of the myth of the Holy
Grail, a first taste of
the Holy Grail cup. The first taste comes free. The
next comes at a price.
With eboga I have found it can selectively suppress
the awareness of trauma
etc to focus that person onto a specific experience
(for a learning to be
gained) and in your case I would say it gave you a
blissful experience by
such a mechanism to show you what can be.

I cannot and will not comment on the state of your
soul but i suspect that
there is a reason why you became drawn to dope etc
in the first place and I
think it is fair to say that those reasons will rise
up and challenge you in
the months that come. Those initial reasons will
also have spawned secondary
issues. There are different ways you can deal with
those issues. Another
post…

Hence if a given soul is suffering at different
levels, it cannot imo then
walk into the union of bliss etc post death as it is
incapable of
experiencing the whole as it is not itself whole. It
has to be healed and
made whole.

In my opinion this is all about growing the soul
and learning the lessons
for the soul to mature and find its place among the
transcended who exist
and are conscient beings on another level imo.

You say we all go to “Heaven.” Is it that easy?
Not really. There are
rewards for those who chose the light and work to
overcome the dark that
plagues them and who learn their lessons. If one
poisons ones own soul from
life to life rather than do the work and move
towards the light of the
common good, then there is no heaven that that soul
is capable of
experiencing. It actomatically creates its own hell
of seperation. And I do
believe there comes a point where there is no
turning back.

There is such a thing as free will and through
free will we chose our own
heaven or hell. Free will would be pointless if
there were no consequences.

Losing the ego is not the end of the story imo.

Love & Light,

Lee

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and
I needed to be reminded
of
a few points you made herein, so thanks
heartfeltedly.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

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for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun”
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hey Kirsty

There is no hell,as you probably already know.
Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
I understand that this is hard to swallow
I understand what you are saying and I assume
you are refering
to politics and not Lee.

Politics and most pharm’ companies make me
angry too.
I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.

If and when He comes he comes for
everyone,sinners and (if there is
such a
thing)Non sinners.
He takes no one to hell,He makes no
judgment.He see’s who we truly
are,..all of us.
The decision to go with him is within us.The
choice is ours,free will.

No I am not religious,but I believe in the
way,the
Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
and many other masters that have walked the
earth.
Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew
they were one with
all,who
could see who we all were.

In my opinion we are all beings from another
realm,pretending to be
human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be
conceptually true.

I have seen people jump from planes,however I
would like to feel it
myself,knowing is not enough.

Why would a father throw his child into ever
lasting fire,could any
father
do such a thing.
What is their to gain.

My experience with the Iboga was that the ego
falls away into a black
abyss,and you return to the loving
bright wondrous light,turn and face the
light,have no fear,
I was smeltered with love and light,like I was
cleansed so I could
return
to the whole,like purifying gold.

There was no judgment,simply what do you wish
to experience now my
beautiful child.
You can do anything you choose,remember who
you are.
I experienced being pure love,when my mouth
opened love and light just
poured out,it was pure bliss.
I was connected to the whole,I could
experience whatever I chose,I had
a
roulet wheel of people to experience.

Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to
describe the love,the
feeling
of even more than love,like there
was something even bigger.(what can be bigger
and more powerful than
love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I
do not yet understand
comming from my mouth,I am getting goose
bumps.
It was bigger and more wondorous than anything
I could have ever
imagined.

They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you
experience what it is like
when
you leave this plain.YES.

I always felt that we never die,we just go
home,now I know it with
every
fibre of my being,
as I was shown.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland”
To:
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs
state that you can ruff up
the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a
comin’ and he’s gonna make
things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take
all them sinners to
hell….
so
they don’t really care what they
do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are
starving. I would really like to
know
where in the bible George Bush found his
inspiration to follow his
deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he
is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my
Christian training. Do
you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will
inspire me to start a
war
too?

Lee


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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses Brad and Preston
Date: December 23, 2004 at 1:46:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston! I don’t know how you’re feeling right now
at this moment but you sound like you made a huge
amount of progress through your ibogaine experiences.
I agree with you so much and don’t think that getting
off everything is realistic for everyone or even that
it has to be some kind of long term goal.

Brad what does it feel like to be on 600mg of
methadone? I imagine you don’t feel it as in you don’t
get high off it anymore and do that much and feel
normal?

Could I ask you why you are at 600? The highest I have
ever gone was 100, which for me was I think I felt ok
on it but I didn’t ever stay completely clean and not
do heroin or pills. What I think I mean to ask is, do
you in some way feel better at 600 instead of how you
felt at 400? Why did you go up to that dose, or even
why did you stop at 600 instead of going to 700?

I’m very curious what it feels like for you, because
if there is some comfort zone where you are supposed
to feel normal all the time, it never worked for me. I
was always sick by the morning, high after my dose and
felt normal maybe 5 hours later and that lasted for
less then half a day. It was this cycle of being sick,
high and a short time of almost what normal would be I
guess.

Thank you for sharing about yourself, please know I
don’t mean to interrogate you and if you don’t want to
answer something I didn’t mean to pry, I’m only asking
because you posted it openly to the list.

Thanks again and I hope everyone has a good holiday
🙂

Carla B

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be  superior
to any
extension of our addiction…<

speaking only for myself, I don’t know about this
Brad. I think that for
SOME folk yes indeed, taking the ibogaine route is
“superior” but for some I
still honestly believe that maintence of some kind
is the answer. Not for
everyone, but for some.
Just my way of thinking, still, even after two
experiences with ibogaine. I
think some people are supposed to be using some
substance(s) or other(s),
and yet, due to our current way of thinking about
and treating and dealing
with those who seem to have that need for whatever
reason, life is made much
harder than it really ever needs to be. I might be
speaking to the choir
somewhat, but still, just had to pipe up with this.
An “extension” of our
addiction might be, heck, in my mind is, exactly
what some people need.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses

Concerning higher than normal Methadone doses,
check out
(www.atforum.com),
dosing up to 1000 and higher is not out of the
question. Fortunately for
people that do need this, it is being understood
and accepted. I know I
would not be here today with out this acceptance.
I have brought attention to this as many people
had questions about a dose
of 600 mg. The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be
superior to any
extension of our addiction…
bf

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 22, 2004 at 11:24:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Faith !!
Sorry for last time but I am very concerned about your son . Life in this a
street is a dangerous one…
Where are you located?
Maybee your son could talk with somebody in the list who could  help him.Be
patient…
I will do my best to help you.
God Bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.  The
problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.
right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the street.
I
feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but
don’t believe it will help. Faith

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500

Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt, says
it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
Until,      martee
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden”
<GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your son
(
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve been
less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three  providers
of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your
christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

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On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >>
sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

Remove me form your mailing list, please.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 22, 2004 at 6:01:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen

Hi Jasen,

Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended) but I am sorry, I dont think it is that simple.

Lee,

The truth is very simple when it hits. It is insanely simple. I was in the Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM Marathon after several days not sleeping and I saw it for a few milliseconds. Like the mind is created entirely by light, the world is created entirely of light, and there is no possibility that anything isn’t actually light. All there is is the IDEA that something isn’t, the IDEA that it isn’t total in itself, that it needs something, that it’s a bit fucked up. All this vast cosmos of light can create to make anyone even be bothered to look at it is the IDEA that it needs something to make it into something. That’s all there is in this vast lightness, the IDEA that there is something which ISN’T light itself, an idea created itself out of light. Light amusing itself with the idea that it isn’t light. And out of this, shit, you can create such complexity! It’s hysterical. The ego this, and the soul this, and my parents this, and my traumas that, and all this stuff we all do, but all it takes is a few milliseconds of seeing just how insanely fucking simple it really is and it takes it all away. And maybe it comes back but then somewhere you know it’s bullshit.

Nick

In my experience we live from life to life and traumas from earliers life’s can be stored in the soul. I think a lot of the work with ibogaine/eboga is actually healing of the soul. This means that the soul can be in different states and if for example, a soul is deeply afflicted, the loss of the ego does not in itself remove the affliction.

Your experience of the ego dropping away and entering into a blissful union is imo in the words of the myth of the Holy Grail, a first taste of the Holy Grail cup. The first taste comes free. The next comes at a price. With eboga I have found it can selectively suppress the awareness of trauma etc to focus that person onto a specific experience (for a learning to be gained) and in your case I would say it gave you a blissful experience by such a mechanism to show you what can be.

I cannot and will not comment on the state of your soul but i suspect that there is a reason why you became drawn to dope etc in the first place and I think it is fair to say that those reasons will rise up and challenge you in the months that come. Those initial reasons will also have spawned secondary issues. There are different ways you can deal with those issues. Another post…

Hence if a given soul is suffering at different levels, it cannot imo then walk into the union of bliss etc post death as it is incapable of experiencing the whole as it is not itself whole. It has to be healed and made whole.

In my opinion this is all about growing the soul and learning the lessons for the soul to mature and find its place among the transcended who exist and are conscient beings on another level imo.

You say we all go to “Heaven.” Is it that easy? Not really. There are rewards for those who chose the light and work to overcome the dark that plagues them and who learn their lessons. If one poisons ones own soul from life to life rather than do the work and move towards the light of the common good, then there is no heaven that that soul is capable of experiencing. It actomatically creates its own hell of seperation. And I do believe there comes a point where there is no turning back.

There is such a thing as free will and through free will we chose our own heaven or hell. Free will would be pointless if there were no consequences.

Losing the ego is not the end of the story imo.

Love & Light,

Lee
Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and I needed to be reminded of
a few points you made herein, so thanks heartfeltedly.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun”
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

> Hey Kirsty
>
> There is no hell,as you probably already know.
> Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
> I understand that this is hard to swallow
> I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
> to politics and not Lee.
>
> Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
> I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.
>
> If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a
> thing)Non sinners.
> He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly
> are,..all of us.
> The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.
>
> No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the
> Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
> and many other masters that have walked the earth.
> Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who
> could see who we all were.
>
> In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
> human.Humans…Being.
> We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.
>
> I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it
> myself,knowing is not enough.
>
> Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father
> do such a thing.
> What is their to gain.
>
> My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black
> abyss,and you return to the loving
> bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
> I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return
> to the whole,like purifying gold.
>
> There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my
> beautiful child.
> You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
> I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just
> poured out,it was pure bliss.
> I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a
> roulet wheel of people to experience.
>
> Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling
> of even more than love,like there
> was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than
> love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
> Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand
> comming from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
> It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.
>
> They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when
> you leave this plain.YES.
>
> I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every
> fibre of my being,
> as I was shown.
> Love Jasen.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Kirsty Sutherland”
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems
>
>
>> Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
>> planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make
>> things
>> a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell….
>> so
>> they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
>> Judgement day.
>> Oh joyyyyyy.
>> Kirsty
>>
>>>
>> The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to
>> know
>> where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
>> held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
>> Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
>> think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
>> too?
>>
>> Lee
>>
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 5:05:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Brad,

Laughing my head off at the “one arm question”
Thanks Brad.  Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Hello Jasen

I am alive I have been able to stabilize myself my family and my employment,
MMT has been very good to me and mine.. Now I am beginning to believe I can
live without H and pills, and pills and H. Yes I have communicated with
people ready and willing to help. The one arm question went right over the
top!!!!??
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – Att. Lee
Date: December 22, 2004 at 4:41:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee !
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I agree on every single words of your E-mail about change. It’s a process and we don’t have limits. I

– You wrote : “Well there are a few other things like an amazing lover, a beautiful horse, animals, country, sea, music …….”
# At least five things in your list will be provided in the center 🙂 Contemplation is an excelent tool for recovery and the setting had to be beautiful and peaceful. i will add : biofeedback, meditation, NA meetings and nutrition to the program.
I live in Florida and I plan to open the facility very close to Miami  airport ( 1 hour & half ) . I thought about Costa Rica but I am afraid that the authority will shut down very fast the center, like they manage to closed  “radio por la Paz ” financed by the UN and on a ground belonging to the organization at 60 Miles from San Jose  ;-( The American Embassy did’nt like the radio…
I will do my center  where I am sure that they will not be abble to shut it down .  ( no , it’s not in the Bahamas ).
It have to be a non profit organization.Money will corrupt the system as usual and I am not in the rat race anymore 🙂 Done it , no thanks !
I know that you want to do something too, so we keep in touch. 🙂 Who knows maybee we will work one day togheter.:–)
God bless you
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances

Hi Frances,

Are you in the US? Just a thought when you mention setting up a facility. If you do set one up you can sleep at night knowing you are working in a most profound way with the spiritual world and your fellow man. What more could one ask for in life? To be so close to the source…. Well there are a few other things like an amazing lover, a beautiful horse, animals, country, sea, music …….

What I mean by saying I have been exhausted by the journey is that at times I feel I have been in a healing marathon where I have had to juggle a number of issues at once and hold firm to my faith in the process to deal with it all. Yet, I still had more issues to deal with which often I did not realise until after dealing with the current issues. Imagine how exhausting that feels? But each time I deal with issues my links to myself and others deepen and inside me grows a deepening love for myself and for life.

I have not given up because I have developed a deep faith in the process from the sheer amount of healing evidence I have acquired within my own experiences. I have received miracles and countless blessings.

Yet, at times I have felt utterly f***ked and used along the way. But it has been necessary for me to change. My ego has been battered and bruised. It use to be very controlling and self gratiating but I have been forced into my soul by the experiences I have overcome.

I have had my ego reeducated and my appreciation of its relationship to my soul deepened.

Perhaps the ego is only good for this life but this life is no good without the ego sorted out imo. Hence I believe in the path that changes the ego, which in turn opens up new opportunities for the soul.

Right now I am off to pack for my journey back home tomorrow to the old sod – 1 week back in the testing ground. I am not sure how much access I will have to email.

I also enjoy your posts. You come across as a healing person who seeks the good and lets go of the bad. Your work also sounds very interesting. I hope I get to hear more about it.

Love & Light

Lee

The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Dana !!

Thank you for your precious information. I just tried a protocol raising
level of dopamine and serotonine using Gaba, 5HTP and Lecitin. This was
supposed to fix my compulsive behavior regardind cigs. Infornutely, nothing
happens and I am still at two packs a day 🙁

I have a very bizzare reaction to chemicals in general for example a Vallium
will keep me up all night and I will sleep like a baby after several cups of
stong Cuban coffe. In fact I never take any meds, not knowing the reaction
on my craving brain. I know that I have an addiction to sugars ( coffe,
alcohool, cigarettes, they spray the dam tobacco with up to 3 sugars !! )

Maybee Glutamate will be the key to break my addiction .
Do you have some info or protocol on using Glutamate ?
Kindest regards
God Bless
Francis
I will do soon Ibo mini session

Hi Lee !!
Thank you, man, for all your informations. I always enjoy your E-Mail and
we have a lot in common from what I read.!! Soon , depending how fast I will
sell my business, I will start a facility where I will provide Ibogaine….
I hopes that by this summer I will be done with business.

You wrote :
“- have sometimes returned to smoking out of exhaustion at the duration of
the healing process and the desire to indulge myself a little bit along the
way!”

* “Exhaustion at the duration of the healing process….” what do you mean
exactly ?

kindest regards
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Dana Beal”
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing &
ibogaine – Att. Frances

>
> On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:
>
> > Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging
> > for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification.
> > Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few
> > and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The
> > first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the
> > smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body
> > agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…
>
> That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix
> from the nicotine. Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down
> while picking you up.
>
> Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that
> dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the
> addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving,
> not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.
>
> Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could
> not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they
> lost interest and went back to food and water.
>
> With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you
> feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free
> radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!
>
> Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just
> work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate
> firing. As I understand it.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 22, 2004 at 4:36:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I often wonder if I am one that does.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 22, 2004 at 4:30:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be  superior to any
extension of our addiction…<

speaking only for myself, I don’t know about this Brad. I think that for SOME folk yes indeed, taking the ibogaine route is “superior” but for some I still honestly believe that maintence of some kind is the answer. Not for everyone, but for some.
Just my way of thinking, still, even after two experiences with ibogaine. I think some people are supposed to be using some substance(s) or other(s), and yet, due to our current way of thinking about and treating and dealing with those who seem to have that need for whatever reason, life is made much harder than it really ever needs to be. I might be speaking to the choir somewhat, but still, just had to pipe up with this. An “extension” of our addiction might be, heck, in my mind is, exactly what some people need.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses

Concerning higher than normal Methadone doses, check out (www.atforum.com),
dosing up to 1000 and higher is not out of the question. Fortunately for
people that do need this, it is being understood and accepted. I know I
would not be here today with out this acceptance.
I have brought attention to this as many people had questions about a dose
of 600 mg. The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be  superior to any
extension of our addiction…
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 4:23:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I do remember conversing, I just didn’t remember the huge dose levels, or any of the other particulars I asked about I guess.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Perhaps you do not remember conversing with me, several months ago, you have
been through much. I have been stabilized here 5 years. I used a lot, all
day every day, working, maintaining a higher than avg. degree of
performance, actually this has provided continuity in my life and stability
which I am grateful for. Other than the number, nothing is different!!!!!!
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances
Date: December 22, 2004 at 3:17:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Frances,

Are you in the US? Just a thought when you mention setting up a facility. If you do set one up you can sleep at night knowing you are working in a most profound way with the spiritual world and your fellow man. What more could one ask for in life? To be so close to the source…. Well there are a few other things like an amazing lover, a beautiful horse, animals, country, sea, music …….

What I mean by saying I have been exhausted by the journey is that at times I feel I have been in a healing marathon where I have had to juggle a number of issues at once and hold firm to my faith in the process to deal with it all. Yet, I still had more issues to deal with which often I did not realise until after dealing with the current issues. Imagine how exhausting that feels? But each time I deal with issues my links to myself and others deepen and inside me grows a deepening love for myself and for life.

I have not given up because I have developed a deep faith in the process from the sheer amount of healing evidence I have acquired within my own experiences. I have received miracles and countless blessings.

Yet, at times I have felt utterly f***ked and used along the way. But it has been necessary for me to change. My ego has been battered and bruised. It use to be very controlling and self gratiating but I have been forced into my soul by the experiences I have overcome.

I have had my ego reeducated and my appreciation of its relationship to my soul deepened.

Perhaps the ego is only good for this life but this life is no good without the ego sorted out imo. Hence I believe in the path that changes the ego, which in turn opens up new opportunities for the soul.

Right now I am off to pack for my journey back home tomorrow to the old sod – 1 week back in the testing ground. I am not sure how much access I will have to email.

I also enjoy your posts. You come across as a healing person who seeks the good and lets go of the bad. Your work also sounds very interesting. I hope I get to hear more about it.

Love & Light

Lee

The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Dana !!

Thank you for your precious information. I just tried a protocol raising
level of dopamine and serotonine using Gaba, 5HTP and Lecitin. This was
supposed to fix my compulsive behavior regardind cigs. Infornutely, nothing
happens and I am still at two packs a day 🙁

I have a very bizzare reaction to chemicals in general for example a Vallium
will keep me up all night and I will sleep like a baby after several cups of
stong Cuban coffe. In fact I never take any meds, not knowing the reaction
on my craving brain. I know that I have an addiction to sugars ( coffe,
alcohool, cigarettes, they spray the dam tobacco with up to 3 sugars !! )

Maybee Glutamate will be the key to break my addiction .
Do you have some info or protocol on using Glutamate ?
Kindest regards
God Bless
Francis
I will do soon Ibo mini session

Hi Lee !!
Thank you, man, for all your informations. I always enjoy your E-Mail and
we have a lot in common from what I read.!! Soon , depending how fast I will
sell my business, I will start a facility where I will provide Ibogaine….
I hopes that by this summer I will be done with business.

You wrote :
“- have sometimes returned to smoking out of exhaustion at the duration of
the healing process and the desire to indulge myself a little bit along the
way!”

* “Exhaustion at the duration of the healing process….” what do you mean
exactly ?

kindest regards
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Dana Beal”
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing &
ibogaine – Att. Frances

>
> On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:
>
> > Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging
> > for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification.
> > Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few
> > and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The
> > first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the
> > smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body
> > agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…
>
> That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix
> from the nicotine. Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down
> while picking you up.
>
> Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that
> dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the
> addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving,
> not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.
>
> Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could
> not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they
> lost interest and went back to food and water.
>
> With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you
> feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free
> radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!
>
> Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just
> work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate
> firing. As I understand it.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
>
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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:58:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dana !!

Thank you for your precious information. I just tried a protocol raising
level of dopamine and serotonine using Gaba, 5HTP and Lecitin. This was
supposed to fix my compulsive behavior regardind cigs. Infornutely, nothing
happens and I am still at two packs a day 🙁

I have a very bizzare reaction to chemicals in general for example a Vallium
will keep me up all night and I will sleep like a baby after several cups of
stong Cuban coffe. In fact I never take any meds, not knowing the reaction
on my craving brain. I know that I have an addiction to sugars ( coffe,
alcohool, cigarettes, they spray the dam tobacco with up to 3 sugars !! )

Maybee Glutamate will be the key to break my addiction .
Do you have some info or protocol on using Glutamate ?
Kindest regards
God Bless
Francis
I will do soon Ibo  mini session

Hi Lee !!
Thank you, man, for all your informations. I always enjoy your E-Mail and
we have a lot in common from what I read.!! Soon , depending how fast I will
sell my business, I will start a facility where I will provide Ibogaine….
I hopes that by this summer I will be done with business.

You wrote :
“-  have sometimes returned to smoking out of exhaustion at the duration of
the healing process and the desire to indulge myself a little bit along the
way!”

* “Exhaustion at the duration of the healing process….” what do you mean
exactly ?

kindest regards
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing &
ibogaine – Att. Frances

On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:

Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging
for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification.
Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few
and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The
first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the
smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body
agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…

That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix
from the nicotine.  Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down
while picking you up.

Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that
dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the
addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving,
not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.

Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could
not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they
lost interest and went back to food and water.

With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you
feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free
radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!

Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just
work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate
firing. As I understand it.

Dana/cnw

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:48:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dana,
Thanks for that. I am going to do a little homework to understand  it better and see if there is some way to undermine the nicotine addiction, apart form the use of ibogaine.
Incidentally, I have taken marijuana instead of tobacco at times and this has cut my need for tobacco.
Right now I am taking neither as marijuana tends to bring me back into the smoking habit which I do not wish to be hooked into i.e. the action of smoking marijuana encourages the smoking of cigarettes for me.
Lee

Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:

> Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging
> for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification.
> Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few
> and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The
> first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the
> smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body
> agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…

That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix
from the nicotine. Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down
while picking you up.

Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that
dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the
addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving,
not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.

Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could
not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they
lost interest and went back to food and water.

With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you
feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free
radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!

Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just
work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate
firing. As I understand it.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Higher Methadone doses
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:48:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Concerning higher than normal Methadone doses, check out (www.atforum.com),
dosing up to 1000 and higher is not out of the question. Fortunately for
people that do need this, it is being understood and accepted. I know I
would not be here today with out this acceptance.
I have brought attention to this as many people had questions about a dose
of 600 mg. The Ibo protocol has shown itself to be  superior to any
extension of our addiction…
bf

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:27:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was not offended, just wanted you to know.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:07 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Oh, well that answers one of my questions. Please ignore any I ask that you
may have already answered if you don’t want to do so again. I don’t read
every message that comes through, sometimes only skimming here and there, so
I may have missed some of the answers to my previous questions, or you may
have answered them in another email I’ve not yet opened, as was the case
with this one in particular.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Brad Fisher
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

I started at 30mg as do most people, here anyway..

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:26:21 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Perhaps you do not remember conversing with me, several months ago, you have
been through much. I have been stabilized here 5 years. I used a lot, all
day every day, working, maintaining a higher than avg. degree of
performance, actually this has provided continuity in my life and stability
which I am grateful for. Other than the number, nothing is different!!!!!!
bf

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:07:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, well that answers one of my questions. Please ignore any I ask that you may have already answered if you don’t want to do so again. I don’t read every message that comes through, sometimes only skimming here and there, so I may have missed some of the answers to my previous questions, or you may have answered them in another email I’ve not yet opened, as was the case with this one in particular.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Brad Fisher
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

I started at 30mg as do most people, here anyway..

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 2:03:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WOW.
How in the world do you function at that high of a dose, at 185 pounds weight? I mean, how long have you been taking methadone? You’ve built up quite a tolerance I take it?
What dose did your clinic start you on and how long did it take for you to get to the dose you’re on now? I hope you don’t mind my asking these questions. There’s no reason beyond my curiosity, as I’ve not personally come across anyone before, personally, who’s on such a high dose. I’ve heard of it happening but never actually conversed with anyone on such a dose, so I appreciate your answers.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:34 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
185 lbs

how much do you weigh Brad, out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 22, 2004 at 1:54:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Jasen,

It is so nice to hear your glowing voice!  Man, I’m so
jealous.  The first five weeks after Ibo I didn’t
touch any substance except weed, and even then
sparsely.

Jasen, keep it up!!  You are infusing this list with a
gorgeous halo of positivity.

How are you feeling now?  How long has it been?  1
Month? a bit longer?  I think I speak for many on this
list when I say “We’re proud of you, sweetie!”

More soon,
Julie

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sign up & Testify Jan 7: Assembly Hearing on New York’s response to methamphetamine
Date: December 22, 2004 at 1:34:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: kra1@nyu.edu
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ASSEMBLY STANDING COMMITTEES ON
ALCOHOLISM AND DRUG ABUSE AND HEALTH

NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING

SUBJECT: New York State’s response to hepatitis A, B and C and
methamphetamine

PURPOSE: To gauge the level of threat that hepatitis A, B, and C and
methamphetamine use pose to New Yorkers, to assess the State’s response and
to determine if additional action should be taken to protect public health

Friday, January 7, 2005

10:00 AM
NYS Assembly Hearing Room
Room 1923, 19th Floor
250 Broadway, New York, New York

New York, like other areas, is experiencing a significant increase in
hepatitis C infections and abuse of methamphetamine.  Hepatitis A and B
infections are also posing a serious challenge to New York.  Drug abuse,
including methamphetamine, contributes to high-risk sexual behavior, which
in turn contributes to the spread of diseases like hepatitis A, B and C, as
well as HIV and other diseases.  In New York City, for example, drugs like
methamphetamine are growing in popularity among at-risk populations,
contributing to the increased transmission of hepatitis. New York should
look to secure available vaccines for hepatitis A and B, reduce the spread
of hepatitis C and address the methamphetamine problem in New York.

The cost to society and individuals from the growing trend of
methamphetamine use and increase of viral hepatitis infections, particularly
hepatitis C, is tremendous.  Methamphetamine use is rapidly spreading around
the country, including in New York, as a “recreational” drug due in part to
easily manufacturing it in “home operations.”  In the last 5 years, both the
availability of methamphetamine and methamphetamine-related treatment
admissions have increased significantly in New York.  With regard to
hepatitis, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
8,000 to 10,000 Americans die annually from the complications of liver
disease caused by hepatitis C and about 5,000 die from complications caused
by hepatitis B. Annual health care costs and lost wages associated with
hepatitis-related liver disease are estimated to be $600 million for
hepatitis C and $700 million for hepatitis B.  New York must aggressively
pursue all available means to prevent and treat these issues.

The New York State Assembly Standing Committees on Alcoholism and Drug
Abuse and Health are seeking testimony from government officials,
healthcare, drug abuse and mental hygiene treatment providers, persons with
hepatitis, pharmaceutical companies and other stakeholders and interested
parties to determine the prevalence of hepatitis and methamphetamine use in
the state, gauge the effectiveness of current efforts to combat these
phenomena, and determine what further steps are necessary to address this
critical public health issue.

See the reverse side for a list of subjects to which witnesses may direct
their testimony.  Please note that list is not exhaustive and witnesses may
wish to address related issues they deem critical to the discussion of
hepatitis and of methamphetamine use in New York State.

Persons wishing to present pertinent testimony to the Committees at the
above hearing should complete and return the enclosed reply form as soon as
possible.  It is important that the reply form be fully completed and
returned so that persons may be notified in the event of emergency
postponement or cancellation.

Oral testimony will be limited to 5 minutes’ duration.  All testimony will
be under oath.  In preparing the order of witnesses, the Committees will
attempt to accommodate individual requests to speak at particular times in
view of special circumstances.  These requests should be made on the
attached reply form or communicated to Committee staff as early as possible.
In the absence of a request, witnesses will be scheduled in the order in
which reply forms are postmarked.

Ten copies of any prepared testimony should be submitted at the hearing
registration desk.  The Committees would appreciate advance receipt of
prepared statements.

In order to further publicize these hearings, please inform interested
parties and organizations of the Committees’ interest in hearing testimony
from all sources.

In order to meet the needs of those who may have a disability, the Assembly,
in accordance with its policy of non-discrimination on the basis of
disability, as well as the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), has
made its facilities and services available to all individuals with
disabilities.  For individuals with disabilities, accommodations will be
provided, upon reasonable request, to afford such individuals access and
admission to Assembly facilities and activities.

Jeffrey Dinowitz
Member of Assembly
Chairman
Committee on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse

Richard N. Gottfried
Member of Assembly
Chairman
Committee on Health

SELECTED ISSUES TO WHICH WITNESSES MAY DIRECT THEIR TESTIMONY:

1) What is the current prevalence of hepatitis, who is most at risk of
contracting the disease, and what can be done to better detect, verify and
respond to the problem?

2) Like HIV, high-risk sexual behavior in combination with drug use greatly
facilitates the spread of hepatitis. In New York City, drugs like
methamphetamine are growing in popularity among at-risk populations. How is
the connection between methamphetamine use and hepatitis being addressed by
city and state authorities?

3) Public education about hepatitis C, its transmission, and how individuals
can protect themselves from infection is crucial in preventing the spread of
the disease.  What could New York State be doing to increase public
awareness about hepatitis C?

4) Hepatitis A and B are preventable through immunization.  Are vaccinations
currently available to all persons at risk, including workers in
health-related and substance abuse fields treating these patients?  What
role does the State currently play in the management of these vaccines, and
are current education and outreach efforts sufficient to ensure vaccinations
efforts are effective?

5) Reducing or eliminating drug use can help prevent hepatitis A, B, and C
infections, and clearly substance abuse treatment is key in the fight
against hepatitis. Is the State currently coordinating its hepatitis
prevention and treatment efforts with substance abuse treatment providers?

6) What should New York State be doing to combat methamphetamine production,
sale, and use?

7) Are all persons currently screened for hepatitis during intake to a
substance abuse treatment program? If someone tests positive for hepatitis,
what treatment options are currently available to them? How can such
treatment be paid for?

PUBLIC HEARING REPLY FORM

Persons wishing to present testimony at the public hearing on New York
State’s response to hepatitis A, B and C and methamphetamine are requested
to complete this reply form as soon as possible and mail it to:
Bill Eggler
Legislative Associate
Assembly Committee on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse
Room 522 – Capitol
Albany, New York 12248
Email: egglerw@assembly.state.ny.us
Phone: (518) 455-4371
Fax: (518) 455-4693

0 I plan to attend the following public hearing on New York State’s response
to hepatitis A, B and C and methamphetamine to be conducted by the Assembly
Committees on Alcoholism and Drug Abuse and Health on January 7, 2005.

0 I plan to make a public statement at the hearing.  My statement will be
limited to 5 minutes, and I will answer any questions which may arise.  I
will provide 10 copies of my prepared statement.

0 I will address my remarks to the following subjects:

0 I do not plan to attend the above hearing.

0 I would like to be added to the Committee mailing list for notices and
reports.

0 I would like to be removed from the Committee mailing list.

0 I will require assistance and/or handicapped accessibility information.
Please specify the type of assistance required:
_________________________________________
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ORGANIZATION:

ADDRESS:

E-MAIL:

TELEPHONE:

FAX TELEPHONE:

Lara Kassel
Legislative Associate
Assembly Member Gottfried’s office
518-455-4941
kassell@assembly.state.ny.us

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE
Date: December 22, 2004 at 1:05:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: STOV753@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE
Date: December 22, 2004 at 1:01:46 PM EST
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Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: STOV753@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] UNSUBCRIBE
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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 12:11:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I started at 30mg as do most people, here anyway..
From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 12:08:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Donna
My day starts at 3AM with a 4 mi run, I work all day, and am usually ready for bed by 9PM
bf
From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances
Date: December 22, 2004 at 12:04:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Dec 22, 2004, at 5:56 AM, Lee Albert wrote:

Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification. Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…

That’s because you’re getting a nice, direct 5 minute glutamate fix from the nicotine.  Which, unlike other stimulants, calms you down while picking you up.

Glutamate, it turns out, is even more important for addiction that dopamine– because without downstream glutamate action to imprint the addiction, there is no longterm memory of the dopamine spike (craving, not just reward) common to most drugs of abuse.

Mice genetically engineered to knock out their mGluar5 pathway could not be induced to keeping injecting coke. Unlike all other mice, they lost interest and went back to food and water.

With nicotine you get straight to the glutamate fix. The reason you feel poisoned is that glutamate causes inflamation, which causes free radicals, which cause cancer. No wonder!

Both ibogaine and cannabis are glutamate antagonists, BTW. They just work at different stages–cannabis before, ibogaine after–of glutamate firing. As I understand it.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 12:02:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the West Coast

—–Original Message—–
From: Brad Fisher [mailto:brad.fisher@guaranty.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:27 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:34 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
185 lbs

how much do you weigh Brad, out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 11:59:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Jasen

I am alive I have been able to stabilize myself my family and my employment,
MMT has been very good to me and mine.. Now I am beginning to believe I can
live without H and pills, and pills and H. Yes I have communicated with
people ready and willing to help. The one arm question went right over the
top!!!!??
bf

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 22, 2004 at 11:27:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Marty’s addiction is Oxycontin, but he uses Methadone to counter it.  The problem is that the clinic is hard to get into, and is a long way off.  right now, he’s working all day just to buy his Methadone off the street. I feel like his real problem is depression.  He knows about Ibogaine, but don’t believe it will help. Faith

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:07:20 -0500

Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt, says it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
Until,      martee
—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your son (
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve been less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three  providers of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

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On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >> sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 11:27:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:34 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
185 lbs

how much do you weigh Brad, out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Etc.

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} Yeha Noka – Native American Chant for Prosperity & Happiness
Date: December 22, 2004 at 10:05:04 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

Rounding up my indulgence on the music side (for now), this track is a Native American Chant for prosperity & happiness:

www.my-eboga.com/SacredSpirit.MP3

To listen directly click on the link or to download rightclick on the mouse button.

Seasons Greetings,

Lee

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 22, 2004 at 10:04:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy

I completely agree with you, Every addict should know about Ibogaine.
love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 9:56:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brad

I assume you are not living in the UK, there is no way any clinic here would give out 660ml daily, have you tried taking less
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 22, 2004 at 9:54:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen

Following your experience has given me so much info and insight, keep strong be strong u can do it and you have done it.xx

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 9:50:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi
Did you really mean 660ml of meth daily that is way too much, are you not totally out of it all the time?????????
Love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine availible for Me?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 9:46:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Mike

Try Amsterdam where Jasen went she sounds great!!!!!!
All the best
Love Donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 22, 2004 at 9:45:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron

Im so pleased you have found a nice doc, what did he say, when do you start????
Love Donna

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} America’s war on itself
Date: December 22, 2004 at 7:07:28 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Question to list: Is Bush displaying signs of being an unrehabilitated alcoholic?

America’s war on itself 

Bush’s wrecking tactics over climate change follow an established pattern of self-destruction 

George Monbiot
Tuesday December 21, 2004
The Guardian 

I have a persistent mental image of US foreign policy, which haunts me even in my sleep. The vanguard of a vast army is marching around the globe, looking for its enemy. It sees a mass of troops in the distance, retreating from it. It opens fire, unaware that it is shooting its own rear.

Is this too fanciful a picture? Both Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were groomed and armed by the United States. Until the invasion of Iraq, there were no links between the Ba’athists and al-Qaida: now Bush’s government has created the monster it claimed to be slaying. The US army developed high-grade weaponised anthrax in order, it said, to work out what would happen if someone else did the same. No one else was capable of producing it: the terrorist who launched the anthrax attacks in 2001 took it from one of the army’s laboratories. Now US researchers are preparing genetically modified strains of smallpox on the same pretext, and with the same likely consequences. The Pentagon’s space-based weapons programme is being developed in response to a threat which doesn’t yet exist, but which it is likely to conjure up. The US government is engaged in a global war with itself. It is like a robin attacking its reflection in a window.

Nowhere is this more obvious than in its assaults on the multilateral institutions and their treaties. Listening to some of the bunkum about the United Nations venting from Capitol Hill at the moment, you could be forgiven for believing that the UN was a foreign conspiracy against the United States. It was, of course, proposed by a US president, launched in San Francisco and housed in New York, where its headquarters remain. Its Universal Declaration of Human Rights, characterised by Republicans as a dangerous restraint upon American freedoms, was drafted by Franklin D Roosevelt’s widow. The US is now the only member of the UN security council whose word is law, with the result that the UN is one of the world’s most effective instruments for the projection of American power.

The secret deals in Iraq for which the United Nations is currently being attacked by US senators were in fact overseen by the US government. It ensured that Saddam could evade sanctions by continuing to sell oil to its allies in Jordan and Turkey. Republican congressmen are calling on Kofi Annan to resign for letting this happen, apparently unaware that it was approved in Washington to support American strategic objectives. The US finds the monsters it seeks, as it pecks and flutters at its own image.

So we could interpret the activities of Bush’s government at the climate talks in Buenos Aires last week as another vigorous attempt to destroy its own interests. US economic growth depends on the rest of the world’s prosperity. The greatest long-term threat to global prosperity is climate change, which threatens to wreck many of America’s key markets in the developing world. Coastal cities in the US – including New York – are threatened by rising sea levels. Florida could be hit by stronger and more frequent hurricanes. Both farms and cities are likely to be affected by droughts.

In February, a leaked report from the Pentagon revealed that it sees global warming as far more dangerous to US interests than terrorism. As a result of abrupt climate change, it claimed, “warfare may again come to define human life… As the planet’s carrying capacity shrinks, an ancient pattern re-emerges: the eruption of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies.” The nuclear powers are likely to invade each other’s territories as they scramble for diminishing resources.
So how does George Bush respond to this? “Bring it on.” The meeting in Buenos Aires was supposed to work out what the world should do about climate change when the Kyoto protocol expires in 2012. Most of the world’s governments want the protocol to be replaced by a new, tougher agreement. But the Bush administration has been seeking to ensure both that the original agreement is scrapped, and that nothing is developed to replace it.

“No one can say with any certainty,” Bush asserts, “what constitutes a dangerous level of warming, and therefore what level must be avoided.” As we don’t know how bad it is going to be, he suggests, we shouldn’t take costly steps to prevent it. Now read that statement again and substitute “terrorism” for “warming”. When anticipating possible terrorist attacks, the US administration, or so it claims, prepares for the worst. When anticipating the impacts of climate change, it prepares for the best. The “precautionary principle” is applied so enthusiastically to matters of national security that it now threatens American civil liberties. But it is rejected altogether when discussing the environment.

The Kyoto protocol is flawed, the Bush team says, because countries such as China and India are currently exempted from cutting their emissions. But instead of helping to design a treaty that would eventually bring them in, the US teamed up with them in Buenos Aires to try to sink all international cooperation. It even supported Saudi Arabia’s demand that oil-producing countries should be compensated for any decline in the market caused by carbon cuts.

The result is that the talks very nearly collapsed. On Saturday, 36 hours after they were due to have ended, and while workmen were dismantling the rooms in which the delegates were sitting, the other countries managed to salvage the barest ghost of an agreement. The US permitted them to hold an informal meeting in May, during which “any negotiation leading to new commitments” is forbidden. According to the head of the US delegation, the time to decide what happens after 2012 is “in 2012”. It’s like saying that the time to decide what to do about homeland security is when the plane is flying into the tower.

Wrecking these talks is pretty good work for a country which, as it refuses to ratify the protocol, doesn’t even have negotiating rights. But this is now familiar practice. The US tried to sink the biosafety protocol in 1999, even though, as it hadn’t signed, it wasn’t bound by it. It sought to trash the 2002 Earth Summit, though Bush failed to attend. This isn’t, as some people suggest, isolationism. It is a thorough and sustained engagement, whose purpose is to prevent the world’s most pressing problems from being solved.

And the result, of course, is that the catastrophe described by the Pentagon is now more likely to happen. The US has just spent millions of dollars in Buenos Aires undermining its own peace and prosperity. Of course we know that its delegation was representing the interests of the corporations, not the people, and that what’s bad for America is good for Exxon. But this does not detract from the sheer, self-immolating stupidity of its position.

The US has every right to beat itself up. But unfortunately, while chasing itself around the world, it tramples everyone else. I know that appealing to George Bush’s intelligence isn’t likely to take us very far, but surely there’s someone in that administration who can see what a monkey he’s making of America.

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From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: text (safety warning)
Date: December 22, 2004 at 6:11:45 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,
This mail attachment (wich comes from ssen@pedikfen.com) including some
spyware code that trying to connect internet subsystem and sending data. I
don’t know this guy but all of us have to be carefull.

Best Regards
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:26 PM
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Nicotine addiction/Chemical Dependence/Healing & ibogaine – Att. Frances
Date: December 22, 2004 at 5:56:09 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Frances,

I was just thinking that maybe I have not been clear on the question of nicotine in my post.

Some time ago I posted a question to the group on the question of nicotine addiction and what doses where being used but I did not get a response. I guess the truth is very few are willing to subject themselves to a full ibogaine session for nicotine addiction as it is not viewed as a stimatized or debilitating addiction yet, and ibogaine/eboga is a radical solution.

So I want to restate what I wrote on nicotine addiction based on purely subjective observations.

In my own case what usually has been the pattern is that i have moved from issue to issue and at times I have been consumed by pain or by deep need and in those times I have often relapsed onto cigarettes. And like a viscous circle of addiction I keep smoking and smoking and smoking. Its as if the nicotine hits a certain nuero pathway that keeps begging for more. It cuts right into my pain and my need for gratification. Not unlike most addictions I imagine. In the beginning I smoke a few and then some switch seems to be hit and off I go like a chimney. The first thought in my mind is a cigarette when I wake up. Yet, the smoking makes things worse and I begin to feel pained and my body agitated and sore. I feel chemically poisoned…

(Luckily for me I don’t have this reaction to alcohol because in the past I did try to numb myself with alcohol and it only made me feel worse as if it opened up the feelings rather than shut them down. So I have been lucky as I have always been completely firm against any other form of drug taking except where therapeutic benefits are proven. Unfortunately I started smoking before it was established to be acutely dangerous – as a young boy.)

…Then I have a mini-session (6mg/kg) and I go into the session on 2 levels. One to clean up the chemical dependence and the other to resolve the pain that caused it. I usually succeed on both counts.

What happens is that the ego feeling bruised and battered and weakened allows eboga to do its work and I will enter into the contents of one particular issue or other. As an aside to all that I come out of the mini session with no need to smoke (more or less) and a feeling of my body being completely clean, i.e., it takes away the withdrawals and that is probably the best I can subscribe to a mini-session re: nicotine.

Yet, if I chose to I can smoke and if I hang around smoky places I get the cravings but I can resist if I want to. The psychological addiction stays a long time until there is deep and profound healing at an infantile level imo. Which is why, realistically, addicts in recovery need to be aware that the vulnerability to chemical dependence will remain all the way through the process of healing until the end.

I hope that gives you a better picture on the nicotine side.

BTW I have sometimes returned to smoking out of exhaustion at the duration of the healing process and the desire to indulge myself a little bit along the way!

With Love

Lee

P.S. Does anyone know why the action of alcohol is different to that of nicotine, as appears to be the case to me?

Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Frances,

If you have not done a session before then read the next post I will put up which is a post I put up some time before. I describe briefly how I would take a person for the first time on a mini session.

I think personally its a good way to go.

Gentle supervision is a good thing – see post. But you dont need an experienced provider at this dose level in my opinion as long as you follow the safety guidelines. You could consider taking a test dose of 100mg 24 hours before to see you have no reaction. Yet, the actual dose itself is approx. 350 mg working off 5.4mg/kg body weight for a female. Assuming you do not have a heart problem i.e are an active person and capable of some endurance, then at this dose level, I do not see any significant risks imo. There is some increase in heart activity from time to time.

At this dose level in my experience, you lose the physical withdrawal from the nicotine. However, the psychological addiction will most likely stay. A full session would unwind this aspect much more. Some will power would be required to stay off the nicotine.

Yet a mini session is also a wonderful point of reflection in your life. A beautiful gift to give oneself.

Basically, you confine yourself to bed for the first 10 or 12 hours and have a bucket on hand if you get sick. But try not too by deeply breathing otherwise you lose the ibogaine/eboga. One is also a little wobbly. So have a bedpan handle for peeing if necessary. Low lights etc.

As its your first time you may want to wait a while before considering to do it again as there is alot to take on board. Maybe 3 months? Or more?

Any other questions please ask. Please look at post to Martee also.

Lee

The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Lee !1
I have a question for you 🙂
How much Ibogaine it  will be for a  mini session. I am still not ready for a big session  but I would love to start with mini session
To get rid of my tobacco addiction. Can I do it by myself ?
How many grs ? and how many time ?.
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 22, 2004 at 1:26:52 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Brad,

I am still trying to understand such an incredibly high dose,
it boggles my mind that the staff at your clinic would let it get to that.

Some of us metabolise the methadone so quickly that before the next dose
we are hanging out,the answer for the system, keep uping the dose, a month
or less later
our body stablises to the increase then you start to metabloise it faster
again and the cycle
continues.

Our governments tie the hands of our health workers and place restrictions
on our docters
limiting them to use Methadone and Beup.

We need another way
Iboga/Ibogaine is the way for me.

When you are ready  there are providers that can advise.

Do you ever sleep with one arm raised?Or lie there with an arm raised.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:07 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Hi Jason
I am that guy on 600+ mg of Methadone. I’ve been following your progress
and
am happy for you and appreciate your taking the time to pass on your
experiance
bf.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 21, 2004 at 11:50:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

MADE THE TRIP, HOPE I CAN MAKE THE CUT, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jim Hadey
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron,

Ron, we all like you, we all have our problems, we understand.  Schmoolyboy was nice enough to lead you to a doc who said he would help – GO.  It’s a no brainer.  The doc said he would help you.  You don’t have to walk into his office cold and wondering if he is one of those asshole docs who do not like addicts.  You don’t have to worry about him judging you, taking your money and saying sorry can’t help you.  I mean no disrespect but it really doesn’t get any better than a doc knowing in advance that you need “that” kind of help and offering to help you.  Santa can’t help you, the doc can.  Now, you got the name, address and phone number of a doc that said he would help you.  Run to the phone and set up an appointment -today.  Us on the forum can listen but can only help so much, you got to at least make an appointment.  Do you know how many people would jump at a chance like this?  Take some action – NOW!!!  Please do not take this as disrespect, just think about it.  What more do you want?  What more can anyone do?  It’s your turn, Ron – MOVE.  Before it’s too late.
Good luck to you Ron,  see the doc before Christmas and before he changes his mind.
It’s up to you now,
– JIM

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one.  i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree.  It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron,  take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it!  Actions not words etc)  And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron
Date: December 21, 2004 at 11:48:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WELL WISHES JASEN
UNFORTUNATELY IBO WON’T HELP MY LITTLE PROBLEM.  DONE THEM ALL, AND THEY ARE ALL NASTIES, HOWEVER SEEMS LIKE BENZOS HAVE A LITTLE SHARPER BITE IN THE END.  JUST MY OPINION, SUFFERING SUCKS, PERIOD.  GLAD YOU’RE OK, RON
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron

Hey Ronie baby,
How are you bro.
Thats about the reason I cut mine,now it feels so odd.

Yes,…I understand about the pain and hoplessness out there,
I didn’t realise you worked in it. Can you still give of
your energy,as depleted as you are.

You will make it, if you so choose.The Iboga/Ibogaine will give you that choice.
The choice is no longer tortured, for me, it has become clear cut. It is like the demon,
..negative energy,call it what you like,..has gone.My body still wants it, to be comfortable
and because that’s how shallow the choice is now,(emotionaly spiritually,I do not need it anymore)
it has become a first choice of,”not interested” (I am emotionaly lightened)
without being hassled by other voices inside me,.saying..just tonight,I havn’t had for a while,
“just a little one, or, ” ohh, I’ll just snort it”ect ect…and all that bullsh*t that echo’s after your first choice.

I am lighter now,I do not need it at a deep level.My body will heal.My body is healing.
Spirit of Iboga,…..The spirit of heroin/opiates has been extracted,if I use again I let her back in,
then he will cry for company again and naw at me at a soul level again.

I am strong.

Love Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron

hey jasen:
really enjoying your freedom and posts. i use to have way long hair when i had it, cut it to go to professional school.  decided i d/n want anyone to notice me , except a babe.  i now want to be everyman, so people c/n tell much or anything about me by the way  i look. when the shit goes down, people will be asking” wasn’t there someone else standing around”? can’t remember what he   looked like.  my insides define my outsides and i use my out side apperance to get places i c/n go before. just one schmucks opinion. each to his own.  i strive to be a citizen if the world again and avoid those that keep me from it. i hope i make it.  i deal with 50 people day and few have cars or parents that care what happens to them,  many just want a good meal but our barbaric penal system gives them outrageous amts. of time and the circle will never be broken.  you are a lucky guy to have received what you did. my clients have babies just for ct.ordered child support b/c they d/n know how to work nor do they want to.  be cool with your freedom, i’m jealous. ron and post away bro.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 21, 2004 at 11:35:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

MET A COMPASSIONATE DOC, NO IBO FOR WHAT AILS ME.  ROUGH ROAD AHEAD, THANKS FOR CONCERN, LOVE RON
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Hi Ron

Could you not find someone to treat you with ibo??  Is that what your plans are when you go to the docs on monday??

Love Donna

From: Methbizkit@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine availible for Me?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 8:47:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

im not sure if this post will get to be on the board, i have been getting constant emails everyday from posts on the ibogaine board,
I do have a question., where is the nearest treament avalible for me, I live in NJ and really need to try this stuff. The reason i relaped befoer was from teh drawn out methadone withdrawal and insomnia. I had no cravings to use, but i got on suboxone to stop the insomnia and depression. I want off of suboxone(buprenorphine). If someone gets this message let me know if its on the board or how i should post it on the board. I will trave anywhere to get it if the treatment is a resonable price .

thanks ,
Mike

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: ‘Addiction’: November 2004. A few seasonal observations.
Date: December 21, 2004 at 8:39:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: ‘Addiction’: November 2004. A few seasonal observations.

‘Addiction’: November 2004. A few seasonal observations.

# “Moo Joose” controversy.
# Addiction treatment compliance.
# Long-acting injectable ‘depot’ buprenorphine.
# Brief interventions on the web; twin study on alcoholism; ketamine brain damage; cannabis psychosis book review.

On the eve of a century of publication, this issue demonstrates the best and worst features of Addiction.  The content of individual issues sometimes reveals editorial shortcomings and apparent inconsistencies yet an examination of a whole year’s titles would leave little doubt as to this journal’s editorial policy directions.  These are well known to regular readers.  On the positive side, the issue maintains an elegantly balanced dual thematic ‘leitmotif’, this month being a combination of modern approaches to alcohol policy and compliance to pharmacotherapy treatment for alcohol and drug problems.  Authors represented in November include such luminaries as Anderson, Berridge, Bigelow, Caswell, Curran, Hickman, Kleber, Klingermann, Petry, Rhodes, Saunders, Tsuang and West.  It is to Griffith Edwards’ credit that few other scientific journals in the world could boast such a line-up of experts in the one monthly edition.  Clearly Addiction has the confidence of those in the research field.

The ‘Moo Joose’ (alcoholic flavoured milk) story is an example of how an important and topical subject should NOT be dealt with.  Where there is clearly a divergence of opinion the case should be made with commentaries from the protagonists and experts but here we have only one side of the matter as so often happens in Addiction.  Mr Aldred and his Alcohol and Drug Foundation (Queensland) are roundly criticised in the item as having changed their view on this product as a result of influence from the alcohol industry.  However, they were not asked by Addiction to provide a comment (personal communication, 14/12/04).  Nor, it appears, was the alcohol industry or government.

While many of us may agree with aspects of Munro’s critical report, it is hardly useful to have our own misgivings repeated by experts who have little more information than we do ourselves.  And sadly, it is nothing novel for the beverage industry to chalk up another victory regarding alcohol marketing, against the advice of public health experts.  The invited commentaries are therefore not balanced, nor are all the facts yet to come in on the matter, as pointed out in one frank review by Virginia Berridge. To her credit, she points out that Munro’s item raises as many questions as it answers.  Yet editor Edwards, perhaps in hasty indignation, allows this antipodean tabloid teacup tempest to dominate his ‘scientific’ journal (items 2 to 9).  So much for his maxim of encouraging ‘robust debate between people of goodwill’.

‘Moo Joose’ may be novel, and the final outcome possibly instructive but there are also matters of major moment from closer to home needing to be covered.  Edwards has still not addressed the scandalously low standard of dependency treatment given by many of his British colleagues to hapless addicts in England.  Details of this have been documented in the small print of his own journal many times over the years.  I understand from impeccable sources that the average methadone dose prescribed in the UK is around 37mg daily, and further, that the most commonly prescribed daily dose is 30mg! These facts may partially explain why maintenance treatments have such a poor reputation in the UK.  The official UK guidelines state that 60mg is the usual effective minimum.

While on this subject, it is hard to understand how Professor Weiss from Harvard could possibly omit methadone compliance and retention in his item (No 10) entitled ‘Adherence to pharmacotherapy in patients with alcohol and opioid dependence’. [Addiction (2004) 99: 1382-92].  Could it be that Addiction does not want to ‘offend’ by mentioning methadone at all?  (shades of ‘Don’t mention the war!’).

Perhaps the most interesting item was the evaluation of an injected depot formulation of buprenorphine against placebo comparison.  In an experimental in-patient detoxification setting, Sigmon, Bigelow and colleagues found few differences in responses over 6 weeks between those given the active opioid and those given placebo (my more complete summary elsewhere).

Perhaps the wisest commentary is last, the second ‘letter to the editor’ (actually an invited commentary) being from Herbert Kleber who has been around a long time and seen much come and go.  Despite accepting some potential benefits, he also expresses concerns about depot and implanted medications, detailing the disadvantages.  These include costs, painful administration, infections and a lack of ability to adjust the dose.  Some, such as depot injections, do not allow removal but commit the patient to weeks or months of treatment.  It reminded me of a Sydney University professor who was given an injection of procaine penicillin, having omitted to mention his life-long allergy.  He apparently spent the next fortnight going in and out of anaphylaxis, needing adrenalin and cortisone treatment. I note with concern that in Sigmon’s trial they did not give a test dose of buprenorphine so allergies, although unusual with pure opioids, would not be have been detected until after a depot injecting was given.  Depot preparations usually include numerous other chemicals (to delay absorption, preservatives, stabilizers, etc).

An extraordinary item on time-frames in Swiss alcohol and drug clinics tries to tease differences between social times and clock times (Klingermann & Schibili).

Kypri, Saunders and colleagues take alcohol brief interventions to the web, reporting benefits on both drinking and personal problems which declined with time in university students with hazardous drinking.

Liu, Tsuang and colleagues provide yet another examination of the huge Vietnam war era twin register to determine genetic influences on the age of onset of alcohol dependence.

There is an item on the long-term effects of ketamine, a sometimes popular illicit psychodelic anaesthetic agent.  The authors find that there are some transient and other more long-lived side effects from heavy ketamine use, warning that users and potential users should be aware of such effects on memory and subjective experience.  As usual with such items, there is no comparison with subjects who drink alcohol to excess, nor the degree of harms or benefits resulting from the illicit status of the drug in most countries.

David M. Fergusson gives an erudite book review on ‘Marijuana and Madness’, quoting some authoritative reports favouring causation as well as one discounting it.  Recent writings on the subject make it clear that cannabis still may actually cause some cases of schizophrenia, but at most it could only account for a very small proportion of the total number of cases (well under 10% and possibly as low as 2%.  Thus only with a massive increase in cannabis use could changes in prevalence be detectable in mental health statistics.  For a comprehensive review of the current evidence see the current Drug and Alcohol Review which contains several relevant items.

Finally come two informative items pertaining to our most destructive drug, tobacco.  Aspects of nicotine replacement and bupropion are examined from a general medical practice angle as well as certain gender differences in treatment response.

This is the second last edition under the editorship of Griffith Edwards. On 1st January 2005 he becomes “Commissioning editor” – whatever that may mean. We are assured by Robert West, the new editor, that there will be more of the same.

comments by Andrew Byrne FAChAM ..

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 8:34:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

how much do you weigh Brad, out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot -NOW-
Date: December 21, 2004 at 7:06:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i want some of what you’ve been taking.

NOW!

_.dh

On Tuesday, December 21, 2004, at 01:53 PM, knowone knowwhere wrote:


That’s much too early.  Prepair to fast forward.

Prepairing to fast forward.

Fast Forward!!

Fast Forwarding sir.

No No go past this part.  In fact, never play this
part again.
—>Try here…Stop.

What the hell am I looking at?  When does this happen
in the movie?

Now.  You’re looking at Now sir.  Everything that
happens Now, is happening Now.

What happened to then?

We just past then.

When?

Just Now.  We’re at Now Now.

Go back to then!!

What?

Now!!

Now?

Now!!

I can’t.

Why?

We missed it.

When?

Just Now.

When will then be Now?

Soon.

How soon?

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot -NOW-
Date: December 21, 2004 at 6:53:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com


That’s much too early.  Prepair to fast forward.

Prepairing to fast forward.

Fast Forward!!

Fast Forwarding sir.

No No go past this part.  In fact, never play this
part again.
—>Try here…Stop.

What the hell am I looking at?  When does this happen
in the movie?

Now.  You’re looking at Now sir.  Everything that
happens Now, is happening Now.

What happened to then?

We just past then.

When?

Just Now.  We’re at Now Now.

Go back to then!!

What?

Now!!

Now?

Now!!

I can’t.

Why?

We missed it.

When?

Just Now.

When will then be Now?

Soon.

How soon?

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From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 5:24:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I do not think your dr is doing you any favors..
imho
Jeff

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 21, 2004 at 4:26:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sunday 19 December 2004 07:12 pm, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
How’s the classic song go, “killing for Jesus?” Who sang that, the
Dead Milkmen? Circle Jerks? Who was that again?
I refuse to even write her name, that name that’s perfect for a Bush
supporter, but you know who I mean I’m sure, but in my opinion she is
one of those disgusting (to my way to looking at life anyway) people
who think killing and bombing other people will bring them and those
they care about peace. She is exactly the reason, she and her ilk,
that there is so much suffering, hate and fear on this planet.

OK, I don’t post much to this list anymore, and this is OT, but what the
heck …

You know, I think that this is the wrong way to look at the problem. The
US is usually ripe for some sort of whoop-ass, stumbling cowboy. That’s
somewhere deep in the cultural spirit of this country. I don’t see much
point in blaming people who are caught up in that culture, although
they must live with their own decisions.

A big part of the reason that people in the US are so at each others
throats right now, politically speaking, is because of this insipid
“culture war” that’s been brewing at the edges of cultural conservatism
for many years, and it’s the same sort of thing that supposedly
enlightened liberals did to conservatives back in the ’70s and ’90s.
Each side portrays itself as the victim of the others’ culture, and to
some extent, there is some truth to their complaints (although it’s
ironic how cultural conservatives could play the victim card so much
recently, when they spent most of the ’90s decrying victimhood), but it
wouldn’t be so if people just left each other alone. This is the
premise that each side presents, that people just want to be left in
peace, but the end result is the imposition of that culture on another,
and it usually doesn’t work. That sort of divisiveness can’t really be
solved by politics, despite the fact that politicians typically use
these as wedge issues to divide people for ulterior motives – do you
*really* think Karl Rove cares about Jerry Falwell’s wishes, above and
beyond what will get people to send his guy campaign checks and to back
his guy in the voting booth? But what need is practical solutions for
our common problems, not triumphs of one culture over another, creating
entrenched Hatfield-and-McCoy feuds that drag on forever. I honestly do
believe that the flames ignited from these cultural clashes are fanned
by those who would benefit by the status quo remaining the same, or by
diverting attention away from the real problems, a Hegelian dialectic.
Framing the debate in terms of how wrong someone is for believing in
something is not only not going to change anyone’s mind, but it will
only serve to further this divide. I’m not saying the conservative
culture doesn’t do it as well, but, you know, it’s your choice whether
you want to get caught up in that game.

– jt

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 3:52:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes I receive 660 mg daily from my Clinic. Have been on this dose a few
years, fortunately I have a Dr. who understands that many variables
determine what dose a person needs. He has “gone to bat” for me more than
once, as you might imagine.
bf

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} Herbal Remedies Found to Contain Toxic Heavy Metals
Date: December 21, 2004 at 3:49:36 PM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: Eboga <eboga@elistas.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Herbal Remedies Found to Contain Toxic Heavy Metals

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0006CF30-606B-11BF-A06B83414B7F0000

Some herbal remedies may do more harm than good. Researchers writing today in the Journal of the American Medical Association report that 20 percent of herbal medicine products sampled contained dangerous levels of heavy metals.
Unlike prescription drugs, herbal medicine products can be sold as dietary supplements, which are not required to undergo rigorous testing before entering the marketplace. Indeed, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) does not require proof of safety or efficacy. Robert B. Saper, now at Boston University’s School of Medicine, and his colleagues purchased imported Ayurvedic herbal medicine products from stores near Boston’s city hall and had them tested for metal contamination. They discovered that a fifth of the 70 samples tested contained lead, mercury or arsenic, or some combination of all three, in significant quantities. If taken as directed, the products would expose a person to more of the metals than is deemed safe by the Environmental Protection Agency.
“Although the prevalence of heavy metal-containing Ayurvedic [herbal medicine products] is unknown, the number of individuals at potential risk is substantial,” the team writes. “Our findings support calls for reform of DSHEA that would require mandatory testing of all imported dietary supplements for toxic heavy metals.” –Sarah Graham

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 21, 2004 at 2:49:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Angel,

Yes Sara did say in about 2 to 3 months.
No cravings,my body is still being a big baby crying for it’s milk.
I can handle that as I can see and feel my body getting better and stronger.

As a parent that knows better for it’s child
It is like my mind knows better and as a parent can control the body/child.
….Yeh,..I know what you want,..but you are not getting it.I know whats ggod for you.

I was given that strength with Iboga.It inflated my mind power over my body.

I am a rock,..even a rock under the pressure of the hammer of old ties and acquaintances
will eventually crumble.
Love Jasen.
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hi Jasen

Im so excited about going through the ibo ecperience, are you planning to have a booster or second tratment did sara recommend that??  because Brian has recommended that after the first treatment i have a second one to stop any cravings, I do not think I will need this as in the past every time i have got clean i have never craved i have simply used again because it was there and everyone around me was using.  Have u had any cravings????????????

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 21, 2004 at 2:47:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,

I love your awesome boyfriend,
I am smiling gleefully at him.

I am like you in that I do not like going to a gathering I will not enjoy,
simply to please others whilst sacrificing myself.
It’s simply to taxing,the awkwardness taxes my selfesteem.

If I do go,….because I don’t want to be there,..and it is not who I am,
it seems to deplete me,and gear would come to mind to balance the sway,
after the gathering.

After the Iboga I want to socialise much much more,
however I still will not go to a function because I feel obligated,
the energy depletion is to dangerous at this time.I am still to open to
everything ,..to sensetive.

Look after yourself,.. you awesome girl.
Don’t allow others to sway you.Except your boy friend.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Considering ongoing use of eboga/ibogaine, mini or low-dose sessions?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 2:30:53 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Lee for your information. I have to do a mini session asap.
God Bless
Francis

I recommend anyone considering taking the path of mini or low-dose sessions to check out this link where a small (but slowly growing) number of people exist with the same intention.
From time to time posts are made describing the personal experiences of those on this path.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

It may take some time before this list takes off.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: “Kurt Finguerra” <kosmocraterhater@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 1:22:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

600+ daily? Or just when you can take a bit more. Does a clinic dispense that? You know I miss orlamam

From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:07:17 -0800

Hi Jason
I am that guy on 600+ mg of Methadone. I’ve been following your progress and
am happy for you and appreciate your taking the time to pass on your
experiance
bf.

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:43:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I grind up and simmer the Cannabis in cooking oil
until it is dark green/brown, usually an hour or more,
then I strain out the pot and squeeze all the oil out
as good as I can without making a big mess.  Then I
use it in making the brownies.  I start with a little
more oil than the recipe calls for, just a little,
cause it’s hard to get it all out.

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

HYPOTHETICALLY:
If someone were to prepare pot for brownies, how
would one go about doing
that? I mean, how long does one “soak” or “steep” or
“boil” the pot in the
oil (coconut oil probably in this hypothetical case)
prior to straining it
into the mixture of brownie stuff? Straining it is
necessary, right? I know,
ol’ expert me should be able to adivse this person
on how to do this, were
it an actual person and not a hypothetical person,
but I don’t, not having
ever actually made brownies myself, only eaten them
instead.
So any advise would be appreciated. Today too
please.
Thanks kindly kind souls in cyberland.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: Rachel Radhakrishna <rachelradha@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceuticals – most deadly addiction?(0t) Att. Sara
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:37:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/2004/412bhavasong.php

love you,

rachyy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 21, 2004 at 10:33:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Schmoolyboy, thats the problem. Money. We have to put Ibogaine on the street so that it can’t be denied. Then maybe some of this can really be looked at.           Randy

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {Way OT} Ojos de Brujos – Eyes of Witches
Date: December 21, 2004 at 10:11:44 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

Forgive me for indulging myself here. I would like to share a track from my Xmas CD performed by Ojos de Brujos, called Ley de Gravedad. Its a kind of Flamenco fusion piece.

www.my-eboga.com/OjosdeBrujos.mp3

You can listen directly by clicking on the link or you can save it by right clicking on the mouse and saving to a directory.

Seasons Greetings,

Lee

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 10:07:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jason
I am that guy on 600+ mg of Methadone. I’ve been following your progress and
am happy for you and appreciate your taking the time to pass on your
experiance
bf.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] IC Smith lies about Webb
Date: December 21, 2004 at 10:00:08 AM EST
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all (I’m cross posting this as it’s pertinent in some ways or others to all three lists),
Did anyone else just catch this “former” FBI dude just now on C-Span’s Washington Journal? IC Smith just wrote an “expose” of the FBI, titled “Inside- A Top G-Man Exposes Spies, Lies, and Bureaucratic Bungling in the FBI.”
In responce to a called who asked, “if the FBI is responsible for domestic law enforcement, and the CIA is responsible for foreign intelligence, where was the FBI when the CIA was enabling crack to be sold on the streets of the US?” (The caller might have said, “when the CIA WAS selling crack,” or “cocaine”), Smith here says with a straight face, “you know what, that story is derived (I’m loosely paraphrasing him here) from the reporting of just one journalist, [never mind the fine reporting of folk like Alfred McCoy, Alexander Cockburn, Mike Ruppert, Daniel Hopsicker, Peter Dale Scott, myself, Henrick Kruger, etc, etc, etc, nor to mention all the insiders, like Cele Castillo, and police inevstigators like “Sparky” McLaughlin] with the Sacramento Bee (LOL), and that story has been totally discounted now.”
Egad, the CIA itself put out its own addmissions (in Hitz volumes I and II to name just one report in which they did so) to working with at least 58 companies and individuals it KNEW were trafficking in tons upon tons of drugs and did nothing to stop nor report the trafficking. This guy is yet one more shill for those who drove Webb to suicide, and is now making a living by spreading disinformation and lies. How many in tv land are going to know the CIA admitted Webb’s assertions to a large part? How many are going to know that Webb never once said “the CIA was selling crack in inner city neighborhoods” but rather that the CIA knew some of its associates were definitely trafficking in tons of drugs and that it not only hasn’t been discounted but it’s now been proven and admitted by the CIA itself?
God I was pissed off by Smith’s blithe comment, but couldn’t get C-Span to pick up the ringing phone when I called in to harangue Smith for his stupid and apparently uneducated comments. If he can’t even get Webb’s paper right, geepers creepers, and he makes such stupid comments about Webb’s reporting, why should I buy his book?
I found the following about his book at this website:

http://www.thomasnelson.com/consumer/product_detail.asp?dept_id=260000&sku=0785260617

snip-
Filled with startling new information (including seventy never-before-published revelations), this book gives behind-the-scenes details of FBI investigations, revealing untold secrets about the spy Larry Wu-Tai Chin, dealings with Cuban intelligence officers, the disbanded Arkansas cult known as Covenant Sword and the Arm of the Lord, and both of the Clintons. And it confronts head-on the errors inside the FBI, pointing out management failures-both at FBI headquarters as well as in the field offices-that led to the attacks of 9/11.
—-
But Smith told yet another caller point blank that he couldn’t actually say anything about any official investigations prior to Sept. 11, nor about any possible prior-knowlege of impending attacks on the part of the FBI, because when the Sept. 11 attacks happened he was “working on this manuscript” he said. So what it this malarky above?

Anyway, I’m mainly writing to slag Smith, who once told World Net Daily with confidence that the Beltway Sniper(s) were “likely foreign.” (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29331), and is now asserting that the Chinese have infiltrated the CIA.
Darn commies. Can’t get rid of ’em, can we?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Considering ongoing use of eboga/ibogaine, mini or low-dose sessions?
Date: December 21, 2004 at 9:51:38 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

I recommend anyone considering taking the path of mini or low-dose sessions to check out this link where a small (but slowly growing) number of people exist with the same intention.
From time to time posts are made describing the personal experiences of those on this path.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

It may take some time before this list takes off.

Love & Light

Lee

http://www.my-eboga.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] more on hypoism
Date: December 21, 2004 at 9:33:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I found the following just now on the Hypoism homepage (http://www.hypoism.com/), and thought I should point out that while I did pass on the links, as I feel that anything that might help life be easier and stress free for just one person is worth investigating, I do not at all agree with this assessment:

As for the personal use of one’s higher power to assist and support recovery, fine. Hypoic’s Handbook discusses all this in depth and in no way disparages higher power-based 12 Step programs. In fact, the recovery of all hypoics must occur in 12 Step rooms and on 12 Step telephones.<

Anything or anyone that tells me I cannot be “healed” or “whole” or in this particular case “recovered” without following one particular way or route I am immediately more than a bit suspicious of.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hypoism
Date: December 21, 2004 at 9:14:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Someone sent me these two links, so I pass them on as food for thought.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.hypoism.com/
snip-
We have initiated the last great medical and civil rights movement to end the health morbidity, discrimination, persecution, and genocide of hypoics. What you will discover after reading the book is that addiction is an inexorable manifestation of a deep-seated built-in neurobiological mechanism present in all people but uniquely altered by genetically transmitted hypofunctioning genes present only in hypoics.
snip-
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http://www.nvo.com/hypoism/thenationalassociationfortheadvancementandadvocacyofaddicts/

The
National
Association
for the
Advancement
and
Advocacy
of
Addicts, Inc.
N4A

LOVE IS ACTION NOT A FEELING
INTEGRITY IS ACTION NOT A THOUGHT
ANYTHING LESS IS TOO LITTLE

The N4A is a not-for-profit, tax exempt 501(c)(3) organization formed to fight discrimination against addicts* and promote the Hypoism paradigm of addictions and its principles. As such, contributions are tax deductible.

“No one has the right to discriminate against or punish an addict for being an addict.”

PURPOSE

To provide a rational context, the context of the Hypoism paradigm, into which all addictions and addicts are perceived and placed by themselves and society. To advocate free of charge on all levels (social, legal, political, medical, financial, occupational, licensure, criminal justice, and various local, state and federal administrative boards) in order to legally confront discrimination of addicts in these areas. To inform the public, including addicts, on the true nature of addictions based on the Hypoism paradigm to end stigmatization and denial, and to improve recovery. To prevent and legally punish discrimination and abuse of addicts. To peer review all scientific research (governmental, academic, and private) and research proposals to ensure valid non-agenda oriented research absent bias and conflict of interest. To remove addictionology from the auspices of psychiatry and psychology and place it into the correct realm of human biological diversity based on the entity of Hypoism. To distinguish being an addict from the doing of actual harm to other people (assumptions and accusations of harm need to substantiated by proven harm). To suggest to, but not interfere with, existing 12 Step programs so that they may be more inclusive and effective. To provide a prototype 12 Step program, Hypoics Not-Anonymous, which utilizes all Hypoism concepts. To promote changing laws that criminalize being an addict instead of specific interpersonal behaviors. To end discrimination of addicts similar to the ending of discrimination to other diversity based groups – racial, sexual, religious, ethnic, ideological, and physical and mental disabilities.

The N4A, does not advocate use of addictions, but we are realistic about non-recovering addicts using addictions. We make no judgments about the use of addictions, but we do support addicts, using or not. We know that addicts will always use their addictions until and unless they are in recovery. As such, we support recovery, and we support all means to allow addicts to enter recovery, including destigmatization, decriminalization, and preventing the abuse and de facto punishment of active addicts. We do not support or condone hurtful interpersonal actions or crime by addicts, but we do believe that the rational and realistic attitude we have about addictions and addicts will lead to significant reduction of addiction-based crime. An example of the catch-22 laws that all drug addicts face are those that criminalize the purchase, possession, and use of “illegal” drugs. How is it possible to be a drug addict and not purchase, possess, and use illegal drugs? Thus, merely being a drug addict is being a felon, ipso facto. Our realistic attitude about addiction is the only attitude that promotes self-diagnosis and hence, quick and easy access to recovery; the only means of preventing the damaging effects of addictions. We do not justify the “but I have a disease” excuse concerning getting off the hook or getting out of taking responsibility and being accountable for proven hurtful interpersonal crimes. We do believe, though, that our approach to the cause and etiology of addictions, and our destigmatization campaign will drastically reduce addicts from having to act out interpersonal crimes by allowing them to come out of the closet into the fresh air of honestly admitting their Hypoism and addictions. The societal atmosphere must be enlightened, accepting, and conducive for this to occur. Judgmentalism, stigmatization, and punishment for merely being an addict perpetuates all the negative aspects of addiction inside the closet of shame and personal denial. The present psychological/religious paradigm of addictions ensures the perpetuation of the current societal attitudes which maintain and magnify these damaging aspects many times more than the addictions themselves.

INFORM PUBLIC
We believe that unless the public is informed about the true nature of the disease that causes inevitable addictions in certain people, just as diabetes and leukemia occur in certain people, then addiction bias and discrimination will continue to flourish. We believe that the present superstitious views on addictions are comparable to the views of most people concerning epilepsy 150 years ago. If the facts are known and the stigma removed then intelligent and effective intervention and recovery can be implemented for all addicts and their families.

LEGAL ADVOCACY
Our legal and political system has, in far too many ways, punished addicts because of the presence of a disease. Criminal and civil legal discrimination and bias are rampant and these issues must be addressed on a case-by-case basis by committed N4A legal professionals. The N4A does not promote or condone criminal behavior but instead, advocates for fair and impartial treatment of addicts and the changing of unrealistic and counterproductive legislation. Our goal is to ensure that addicts get fair and equal treatment under the law and that unconstitutional and prohibitionist-type statutes are repealed and replaced with realistic laws which will benefit society and put an end to the war on drugs and addicts. Addicts are a discriminated-against minority. Moreover, addicts need to perceive themselves as a discriminated-against minority, and take responsibility for confronting and resolving their own legal, political, medical, and social issues. The present situation is an untenable one in which we basically agree with non-addicts about our deferential status and beg them to please forgive us, accept us, and let us be normal if we act according to their dictates and whims. This must end.We need to realize that they are not going to take care of us the way we need to be taken care of. Only we can do that. This can only happen if we do the leg work and demand our rights and equal status under the law. This does not mean we are not held responsible for interpersonal harm. It does, however, mean that we are held to the same standards of the law and not special ones for addicts only. We only demand equal rights and protection under the law. It also means that some biased laws that specifically discriminate against addicts must be changed. Like all discriminated-against groups, addicts are punished and damaged for being addicts irrespective of their interpersonal behaviors.

*addict – any person, in or out of recovery, who has ever used mood-altering drugs, people, behaviors, and/or beliefs to change their feelings against their will.

We need:

Cases of addict discrimination
Financial support of any kind or amount to fund our activities
Lawyers
Grant writers
Journalists – publicity
Volunteers
Please contact us to help and/or contribute.
If you have any interest in volunteering or supporting us, CONTACT THE N4A AT:
through the message sender on this site,
Hypoism.com, at 941-371-0508, or make checks payable to Dan Umanoff with N4A in the lower left corner, and send to 5134 Lancewood Dr., Sarasota, FL 34232
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 21, 2004 at 8:51:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Maxx, but I don’t think my hypothetical friends need the chemistry book quite yet, thanks. I do know that one of those hypothetical friends was hypothetically making the first attempt at baking recently, and somehow decided that the “let brownies stand” meant leaving the baking until they seemed to be “done,” in other words letting them stand AGAIN after having removed them from the oven, turning them into pot rocks instead of pot brownies- hypothetically of course.
I think it has something to do with tasting the dough prior to baking, a lot.
Thanks to all for all the wonderful and useful suggestions. Much obliged. I have passed them on to my hypothetical friends

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [DrugWar] question on brownies preparation

Preston Peet wrote:

ahh, well, Maxx, too late, I already deleted them all. I don’t open attachments at all. They’re in my deleted file still though, so what was in them? That’s a lot of file for a simple question about cooking, no?

I mean, cooking brownies are not like making heroin or LSD, right?

***Guess that depends on the brownie recipe. Some call it cooking, I call it kitchen chemistry, always have. It’s an art.

;-))

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 21, 2004 at 7:27:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Julie,

I am keeping very well, thanks.

Personally, if you are having cravings I would take that as a sign for another session.

I use the HCL (ibogaine) and have been doing so now (mini session) for the past 3 years.

It seems like a long time but if you could see the mountain of shit I have moved and the deep profound changes within myself, you would understand perfectly well why I needed that time to grow and learn and change.

To live in a world where ones mind is at peace and you can feel the warmth of your own emotions moving through your body, is a wonderful experience.

I feel really well overall. But the truth is its does depend on the willingness to go in deep and break down the walls of seperation. As Frances said in one email: Its a bit like breaking off the old crud (paraphrasing) and releasing the beauty underneath.

That will release pain and unfortunately that is part of the journey. The healing of the body is very much an organic reality also. Not just a spiritual one. The ego needs time to learn and change and the emotional body needs time to integrate and release. The soul operates on a different principle.

I imagine that the path of the yogi is quite similar. They do not suddenly become awake. It takes them years. So what is happening in the meantime? I suspect its a similar process taking place.

When one is prepared and “healed” then I believe the walls of fear can drop away leading to a kind of state of awakening.

Just some working thoughts.

Nice to hear from you!

Lee

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Lee,

How are you? I am wondering perhaps if a follow-up
treatment might be appropriate. Does anyone know
approximately how long to wait before undertaking
another Ibogaine session?

I am interested in the idea of a low dose maintenance
therapy. Are you using the root bark, extract or HCL?
How long have you been using low dose therapy?

How do you feel overall?

Julie

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Subject: [Ibogaine] Copy of Earlier email posted on Mini-Sessions / Low-Dose Sessions – Att. Martee / Francis
Date: December 21, 2004 at 7:14:07 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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Mini Sessions:

A low dose session does depend on the person i.e. have you done eboga/ibogaine before, where are you in your healing process, what is your true intention, and of course do you have the open heartedness, discernment and sprinkling of humility which allows the soul to manifest and the ego to take a back seat. Otherwise I would be looking to begin with a high dose session to disable the ego if it is a major problem and to clear the ground a bit.

However, that said, in my experience (which is still in an early stage vis a vis helping others in this area), a low dose session of 6mg and 10% less for a woman, usually proceeds like this (for a new comer to eboga/ibogaine):

1. All the commendations still apply regarding fasting etc. However I say to people that you can drink a few drops here and there in the hours leading up to the session as it acts to quench the thirst and prevent uncomfortableness. Its always good to be as empty as possible in the digestive tracts as the energy pushes down on that area. (Fruit & juices for breakfast maybe and begin in the evening. No liquids for at least 6 hours before or more.)

2. All the physical effects are the same (as a full session) but on a lesser scale. You can get up but you feel quite wossy etc. Its very important to be very calm in the first couple of hours to get past the initial reaction to throw up at the beginning. If you feel this coming on breathe deeply and rhytmically until it passes. It can occur quite easily at the beginning as the deep feelings are suddenly touch on. Its also aggrevated by movement.

3. At the time of ingestion I recommend drinking a full glass or two of liquid to help the dissolving of the eboga/ibogaine. (With the dehydration in progress from fasting this quickens the uptake also of the eboga/ibogaine). Perhaps a cup of relaxing herbal tea is in order at this time. In the 40 mins to 1 hr prior to onset, pee as much as possible and be prepared for the possible need at some stage to pee during the session. As the physical effects are less this is not a major problem.

4.My own approach with a first time initiate is, I use the time after the ingestion of the eboga/ ibogaine to converse and allow the initiate to talk or ramble into his or her past and present. As they are usually my friend its not a problem. I try to guide to the areas where I sense some discord or uneasiness. This of course is then picked up by the eboga energy as the energy grows and then the Eboga spirit takes over from this point of departure. The advantage in this is that the person (first timer) feels safer and more relaxed (connected to a human) and is not shocked by the commencement of the energy and where it suddenly takes them as the energy hits while they are still connected to me. (As they are entering a new domain of experience).

5. Having said all that if someone rathers to mediate or be with themself that is also fine.

Session in progress:

I find at present that it is characterised by the unravelling of stored memories offering differing insights to help the person understand their past history in general, especially any periods of the past where they feel confused about or cut off from – where the person can face them. The memories come in overlap and in bits and pieces which is a way to outwit the ego and yet transfer the knowledge.

It is like an introduction or initiation into Eboga and it is tailored to the person themselves. If someone can face uncomfortable truths they will most likely be presented in the context of an overall “moment of reflection in ones life” i.e. the eboga mini session There can be heavy moments and yet these depend on the person’s ability to face them at that time. The end result is always a sense of deep insight & direction for future inner work i.e. a kind of personal gameplan. Its a very intelligent process as though one is being handled by an array of spirit guides – which is in fact the case. They (the spirit guides) are able to see the future and the past and know exactly what will benefit you in that moment. There are there via the energy of the Eboga spirit.

Sessions after major-Session:

This is somewhat different and in my own case it usually is based on the synchronistic events in my life at that moment i.e they reflect the stage I am at in my healing and thus act as the catalyst for the area that needs healing at that moment or put another way: the area open to healing at that moment. If a lot of pain is involved, drop right into it and wait. It will pass and you may experience a deep, deep or accelerated healing or you may have to return again to the same pain in a later session. Yet, I do think it also depends on the person and whether or not the appropriate lessons have been learned. What I mean is that the intention has to be there to learn and to move to a position of love. With those intentions accelerated healing occurs and one can note this intention in the way one seeks to understand oneself and others in a loving way. That does not exclude justified anger etc.

Intervention:

I do check once or twice during the session on the mental state of the person to ensure that they are not unnecessarily running away from themselves and entering some kind of ego loop or are not in some place they cannot handle. I remind them beforehand that there is intention involved in facing what ails you and that success does depend on this willingness. In the session I may gently guide them back on track if I feel it will be of hel – generally it is not necessaryp. Otherwise I simply leave them be and give reassurance/encouragement at that moment of checking or respond to any question they may have.

This is very different to full scale sessions.

Post-Session Problems:

Here is the crunch. If one is dealing with an arrogant individual (reflects imo pain / lonliness / anger) then instead of moving towards the heart after a session they can move towards the head which is more a reflection of pain than anything else. (In full sessions such a move is very normal regardless of the person as usually a lot more material has been broken into). However, it is problematic and one has to be careful in how one deals with that. I recommend anyone who comes out of a session feeling sad or hurt to explore their feelings and to undergo as much emotional release as possible. Otherwise a return to the head is inevitable to use thoughts to secrete ego induced endorphins to eleviate the pain. It may not be avoidable.

Time of Session:

Usually about 12 hours for a first timer but can carry on in fits and starts for the next 6 hours or so. (The overall energy is there – not as noticeable – for the same duration as the full session). Once the major part is over I recommend strongly to lie on your bed and as you go in and out of sleep record the memories which resurface from the session. You will be amazed at how much returns. Its like another stage of the process and I would now go as far as to say that this is another stage of the Eboga session: Recall. Perhaps phase 3. (See below – perhaps this is better handled at the 24 to 36 hour period?)

This is very important. To those who have little tolerance for ego work, I would say you are making a big mistake imo. Healing is a holistic process and the ego is not the same as the soul yet it is part of who we are – it is the engine of the temple we inhabit. Everything we do is a combination of the two and so if the ego is unhealed, once we enter it to use it (in conjuction with our soul) it is immediately vulnerable and we are compromised by its unhealed state.

Make these notes as they will be the basis for the next phase of healing within the Eboga Process.

Set & Setting:

I like to play tropical rain forest music in the background and to be as comfortable as possible with little or no light. Usually I put a scarf arcoss my eyes and wear loose clothing.

Time & Aftercare:

I recommend beginning around 8 pm/twilight or dark in the evening as the bodies energy is more relaxed and moving into a different rhytm. This means that by morning 8 pm one is ready to begin the journalling or maybe have some refreshing herbal tea and begin the journalling after. The rest of the day is to be taken as easily as posible as it leads to the next important phase.

The following day is usually a 24 hour holiday of well being.

Insight:

Most of the understanding into what has passed begins to emerge in the 24 hours after the initial part of 12 hours. Perhaps it is on a time frame similar to a full session i.e. 36 hours, except the phases are less intense. i.e. phase one – ego unravelling, phase 2 insight, phase 3 (after 24 hours) calm (Journalling). Its difficult to journal in phase 2 (as one is really in a very special self nourishing energy) but if you can take notes its good for after the session. Maybe this is best to happen after the 24 hour mark. These are things I am still studying and learning about.

Male/Female:

Generally speaking I give 10% less to a female than to a male, i.e. male: 6mg/kg, female: 5.4 mg/kg. I think it is fair to say that woman are more sensitive to ibogaine/eboga than men as men tend to have more dominating egos and less access to the heart, which is the door to the experience.

You may feel you are having a full session on 5mg/kg and if what you are experiencing is similar to what a full session gave you then I recommend you experiment beginning with perhaps 3mg/kg working up to what I would consider a mini session experience.

However, the overall aim is to heal your inner world and that will require different types of sessions at different times.

If you are not a recovering addict you may find that something like the subsequent use of ayuhasca can help alleviate the pain which can emerge as we move through our healing. Apart from this there are other natural sunstances (Kava Kava?) which can infuse the emotional tissues with warmth to counteract the pain that is oosing out. Recovering addicts have to be careful not to take anything which can knock them back onto their addictions.

Trauma & Psychological Recovery:

I think I could be here all day writing and so I wont go any further except to say that a full program will require the judicious use of major and mini sessions.

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Hope those thoughts help. I have wrote what has come to mind and will change what has been written here. These are rough thoughts. I am very much still learning what applies outside my own personal experiences. I hope in the future to flesh these things out more and to give more thought to them.

I began eboga on major doses. So I am developing ideas for people who have not and that requires more observation on my part. However this much is true: Eboga knows exactly what it is doing.

Safe journey & Success to you,

Lee

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 21, 2004 at 7:05:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Frances,

If you have not done a session before then read the next post I will put up which is a post I put up some time before. I describe briefly how I would take a person for the first time on a mini session.

I think personally its a good way to go.

Gentle supervision is a good thing – see post. But you dont need an experienced provider at this dose level in my opinion as long as you follow the safety guidelines. You could consider taking a test dose of 100mg 24 hours before to see you have no reaction. Yet, the actual dose itself is approx. 350 mg working off 5.4mg/kg body weight for a female. Assuming you do not have a heart problem i.e are an active person and capable of some endurance, then at this dose level, I do not see any significant risks imo. There is some increase in heart activity from time to time.

At this dose level in my experience, you lose the physical withdrawal from the nicotine. However, the psychological addiction will most likely stay. A full session would unwind this aspect much more. Some will power would be required to stay off the nicotine.

Yet a mini session is also a wonderful point of reflection in your life. A beautiful gift to give oneself.

Basically, you confine yourself to bed for the first 10 or 12 hours and have a bucket on hand if you get sick. But try not too by deeply breathing otherwise you lose the ibogaine/eboga. One is also a little wobbly. So have a bedpan handle for peeing if necessary. Low lights etc.

As its your first time you may want to wait a while before considering to do it again as there is alot to take on board. Maybe 3 months? Or more?

Any other questions please ask. Please look at post to Martee also.

Lee

The Garden <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Lee !1
I have a question for you 🙂
How much Ibogaine it  will be for a  mini session. I am still not ready for a big session  but I would love to start with mini session
To get rid of my tobacco addiction. Can I do it by myself ?
How many grs ? and how many time ?.
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season – att. martee & Julie
Date: December 21, 2004 at 6:52:40 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Martee,

The stages in healing, as you have alluded to, always seem like the last hurdle to overcome and then we see another hurdle up ahead. Its like climbing a mountain and when you see the peak up ahead you think you have arrived only to discover another peak just beyond. So the idea that if I can get clean I will be just fine is very understandable. We can only really deal with one obstacle at a time.

I believe the first 3 months after treatment are prime time for therapy of all kinds, including emotional release, group therapy and one on one. During this period one is opened up and a lot of new behavious patterns can be appreciated for what they really have to offer and put into place before the ego re-cements its hold.

Ongoing therapy as you describe is also a very valuable support as it occurs in a safe environment and thus lends one to being more connected inwardly and thus open to getting a better picture on events. Definitely something to keep up.

I agree that beneath an addiction lies a cause and that is why I see the overall program of being clean and eventually independent of the addiction as one of self knowledge and self confrontation. Each “bad” event in one’s life is faced. Basically this means that the dark feelings associated with the event are released through the losing of the fear bit by bit surrounding the events. You are then left with the shell of the bad event and none of the charge that went with it, i.e. the trauma. One is then more aware and more compassionate also as well as a lot wiser about yourself and others.

But this all takes time as the ego is an organic reality and has its own inner capacity for change and healing. Hence why I advocate low dose or mini sessions over time.

If I were in the situation where I had a session to get clean, I would most definitely want another to “boost” the first. What I mean by that is that the first cleans the body and the second goes deeper in cleaning the ego. The more cleaning the better. A booster for me would be another full session if I could have it or at least a reasonable dose.

Yet this also is simply a step on the way and will not undo the underlying problems in a day.

I see the process as one of learning and to be immediately healed without the need for a period of learning, is to my mind defeating the point of the exercise, spiritually speaking. Hence a long period of growth in self awareness through repeated low dose or mini sessions coupled with any form of therapy or counselling that suits you. Also, journalling, dreamwork etc.

The point of any therapy work etc is to connect with where you are at, so that you can focus in on the issues that are relevant in the here and now. These are the issues that you take into the mini session and go deeper into.

The cravings can be the last thing to go as they may in fact be the catalyst to keep you in the work. If there was a halfway house to healing then most likely many would chose not to go the full way and in the end that is where the soul is encouraged to go.

So if one falls off the wagon, its not a sign of failure. Its just another step on the way. In the case of nicotine, low dose sessions in my experience kill the cravings. However if one falls back onto heroin then presumeably another full session will be required.

I find that low dose or mini sessions work really well when the cravings are very strong and the pain begins to emerge. In this state the soul is more willing to open itself to the eboga energy. I work with 6mg/kg for males and about 10% less for females. As yet the people I have worked with were not addicts in remission but I suspect that the doses for someone whose body is clean should be the same as a “normal” candidate. However, dose levels can be experimented with.

I did put up a long post a while ago outlining a little on how I proceed with mini sessions and may repost it. However, I would say that you can do this with the help of a friend as its not that debilitating and is a much easier experience than a full session. It last about 12 hours with a further 24 hours of the energy hanging around leading to lots of insight usually.

The preparation is the same. the most important thing is the fasting from food and a period of fasting from liquids.

If its doesn’t cut the cravings then I suggest one of two things. repeat the mini session shortly afterwards or consider a slightly higher dose. Personally I would remain with the lower dose and I would see each mini session as a landmark on your path to complete independence from addiction or dysfunctional behaviour leading to openness, happiness and well being.

If you want to ask me anything specific please reply.

Love & Light

Lee
“m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net> wrote:
Lee,
Exactly what do you consider to be a mini session?  I have been thinking and planning what I call a booster session. same thing i guess.  I got clean last time but did not enjoy a whole lot of the psycho spiritual stuff and look forward to it this time.  I believe the amt. and length of time jasen was dosed as well as where he was (spiritually and emotionally)when he started has a lot to do with what he got from his session.  I actually did open up the topic of dreams on this list a couple of months ago for that reason of knowing it was something to explore,however wanting others perception and experiences.  I have been meditating and using visualization daily.  If I didn’t think the  group therapy offered great benefits and insight I wouldn’t waste my time.  I usually go into things open minded and yet guarded(personally).  So If I come away with one thing that I consider insightful and helpful per session it’s all good.  If not being with 5 other people that have been clean for 5-12 years is also helpful.
I’ve always believed addiction is the symptom and manifestation of the real issue.  I believe some form of abuse or abandonment or neglect or an unhealthy sense of self for whatever reason and the need to dull the reality of all that.   I think the majority of addicts really believe if they can just get through the physical thing they KNOW they’ll be fine.  I believed this for years all through my 1,000 attempts to clean up.  I’ve seen this mindset in many many others.   I’ll bet there right now are people on the list reading this and thinking  that is their case for sure, they’ll be fine if they can just get clean.
So I know you said you were still working on your mini session theory but i’m curious at this point if you have anything to say on it.  Color me impatient.
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: Sapphirestardus@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 21, 2004 at 6:26:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good Morning,

I rarely wrfite to the forum anymore but I do still read the letters and I found yours interesting. How did you behave towards the terrorists and what exactly is the connection between this and your son’s   drug indulgence? I think I understand but I would like you to clarify it for me.

Thank You and I look forward to your response.

Julian Robinson

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven. Lee.
Date: December 21, 2004 at 5:41:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

I am enjoying your posts. A lot of beauty in them and a lot to think about or feel.

I think we will have to agree to disagree for now as I do not believe that all souls will find their way home. I am still exploring all possibilities but based on the idea that souls are responsible for their own cleansing and education from life to life, I do not see that going to happen to some. And in order to return, the soul has to be in the right state imo. Souls have their own state of being and if you like, self determination on a certain level. Its the duality of being God and yet being other i.e the greatest of God is reflected in its parts that make up the whole. There are also other levels between us and ultimate God imo. Perhaps even many Gods.

I believe their is a cut of point and if you miss the boat, so be it.

In the symbol of yin and yan there is a little black in the white to (as someone pointed out to me recently) remind the white of what it is.

But, your experiece clearly was very powerful and I am sure you will have other experiences too.
Lets live and learn.

Lee

Jasen Chamoun <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Lee,

You are right it is not that simple,..unless it is.

When I said we all go to heaven,I said Eventually.
I most definatley believe there are conseqences to our actions.

Every thought word and deed has an impact on what we experience.
Yes I believe what you do and what you choose impacts on your soul,
however when the soul has lived it’s many lives finishing the full cycle it can then go home.

I am talking about the big picture,the overall vibration of life itself,the full circle.

I will go out on a limb here,…Even Hitler will ” end up” in heaven,..after he experiences all the pain
he caused to every person on every level.He will be experiencing the hurt and pain for what we see as Eons.
This is the tortured soul so to speak.This would be a type of self made Hell.

We evolve.

You cannot, not return,…you must,. you are a part of the one.
Untill you do ,what do you choose to experience,..there are consequeces to your choices,
you have free will. What you do to others will be done to you.Action and reaction.

So when I say we all go to heaven,..there is much inbetween to experience.
What do we choose to bring forth.

With love and respect.
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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 21, 2004 at 4:53:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee
That was such a lovely and true thing you said to Faith

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 21, 2004 at 4:51:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen

Im so excited about going through the ibo ecperience, are you planning to have a booster or second tratment did sara recommend that??  because Brian has recommended that after the first treatment i have a second one to stop any cravings, I do not think I will need this as in the past every time i have got clean i have never craved i have simply used again because it was there and everyone around me was using.  Have u had any cravings????????????

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Julie (Cravings and the Holiday Season)
Date: December 21, 2004 at 4:22:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Julie

I wondered if you have had a second treatment as i am researching the ibo to do it myself in the new year and all the research said that paitents went back to using because they did not have the second treatment mainly they could not afford it.

be strong all of you that have done this are an inspiration to me and i feel that there is light at the end of the tunnel, regards xmas parties dont go to all of them cry off and make sure you have time for yourself

Love Donna

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Julie (Cravings and the Holiday Season)
Date: December 21, 2004 at 4:11:08 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Julie

Sometimes I feel same way with you. Smoke many joints, mushrooms help me to
achieve this. Maybe could be better for you also. Most difficult side of
post addiction process is to find new happiness for your life instead of
oppiates.

What about sleeping? Could you avaible to sleep? I have big problem about
this. Days are very hard because I feel sleepless as if I could avaible
sleep at night. At night time my longest sleeping record is max. 4 hours
even Xanax.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

I think that’s a really big thing after withdrawal, or even for me
converting from Poppy Seed to methadone.  How many years did I, or you
spend
using more drug to help with “stress”. And did we learn to make a
situation
more stressful just to use more? Heh, well, I’m sure I did, but now, as
I’m
explaining to my D.C. I have to find another way of dealing with stress
other than topping up what I normally have. I’ve used twice since starting
the done.
Just an observation….finding alternative ways of dealing with stress is
perhaps vital to success.
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Ms Iboga [mailto:ms_iboga@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 5:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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Subject: [Ibogaine] /ot/–12 hOT dOGz…
Date: December 21, 2004 at 1:15:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-3315.html
Penn & Teller: 12 Step Programs

http://www.flojo.com/lsd/dropout.html
CIA + LSD = FUN

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:39:12 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hypothetically, I’ve heard a few hours is ok….and straining it merely
takes out the fibrous chewy bits which tend not to be too nice.  Hopefully
your oil (or butter) will be Kermit the frog colour and do the job,

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 8:40 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation

HYPOTHETICALLY:
If someone were to prepare pot for brownies, how would one go about doing
that? I mean, how long does one “soak” or “steep” or “boil” the pot in the
oil (coconut oil probably in this hypothetical case) prior to straining it
into the mixture of brownie stuff? Straining it is necessary, right? I know,

ol’ expert me should be able to adivse this person on how to do this, were
it an actual person and not a hypothetical person, but I don’t, not having
ever actually made brownies myself, only eaten them instead.
So any advise would be appreciated. Today too please.
Thanks kindly kind souls in cyberland.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:29:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think that’s a really big thing after withdrawal, or even for me
converting from Poppy Seed to methadone.  How many years did I, or you spend
using more drug to help with “stress”. And did we learn to make a situation
more stressful just to use more? Heh, well, I’m sure I did, but now, as I’m
explaining to my D.C. I have to find another way of dealing with stress
other than topping up what I normally have. I’ve used twice since starting
the done.
Just an observation….finding alternative ways of dealing with stress is
perhaps vital to success.
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Ms Iboga [mailto:ms_iboga@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 5:56 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (still ot) Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:26:25 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, yehhh and like I’m so poifect to be making such comments!!! Lol
I know what ya mean. And I haven’t been here as long, so I haven’t been
infected by any drivel that ends up on here!
;o)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 4:54 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still ot) Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

I don’t hate her, I’m just disgusted Kirk.
;-))
Hate is a very heavy vibe that I try very hard not to succumb to. That
doesn’t mean I always am successful at steering completely away, falling
sometimes into that lazy way of expressing hateful emotions, sometimes, but
I do not spend any time hating per se. I do get angry, but I do not hate,
don’t worry.
That said, I know that for me it is really better to usually not allow
myself to do what I did yesterday, and post some vitriolic post or other,
but hell, it is cathartic sometimes, and if that unnamed person is going to
take the time to post her dreck here on a list where I feel pretty
comfortable, with friends even, she is going to have to accept the
responsibility for her statements and accept the consequences, that others
here- no, take that back, I can only speak for myself, that I for one may
also feel liberated and go ahead and put my feelings about her statements
out in the open too. Like her, I too must accept the consequences of my
actions and do.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

I’m sure that’s not the way “they” see it at all…..and hating them only
leads to alienation from both sides, so we miss the chance to learn from
one
another.
Ah well, tis a long road
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

How’s the classic song go, “killing for Jesus?” Who sang that, the Dead
Milkmen? Circle Jerks? Who was that again?
I refuse to even write her name, that name that’s perfect for a Bush
supporter, but you know who I mean I’m sure, but in my opinion she is one
of

those disgusting (to my way to looking at life anyway) people who think
killing and bombing other people will bring them and those they care about
peace. She is exactly the reason, she and her ilk, that there is so much
suffering, hate and fear on this planet.
Oh shit, I wasn’t going to do this, but I can’t resist, I’m so tired
and

disgusted by this person and her support of murderous criminals. I guess
my
views are taking those living into account before the unborn, who that
person who I won’t name I’d be willing to bet couldn’t care less about
once
born- other than as bombing targets and cannon fodder. I bet she doesn’t
support universal health care. I could be wrong, but I bet not.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

Faith,

God, won’t you just stop all this nonsense…why are
you here?  You don’t support anyone, you don’t add
anything original to this list…all you do is flame
and post pro-life, judgmental propoganda.

I, for one, am getting exceedingly tired of you
crawling out from under your sanctimonious rock from
time to time, only to post things that virtually no
one on this list agrees with.  Why don’t you join the
pro-life, pro-Bush, pro-Republican forums, where you
will find like minded individuals with whom you can
have all manners of conversations about the rest of us
being filthy heathens, sinners, and the like…

Seeing as though you are one of God’s chosen few,
annointed from on high to cast judgment upon every
other person, perhaps you should redirect your energy
upon improving yourself, instead of picking other
people apart…

Instead of fighting against the current, why not go
with the flow???

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (y…
Date: December 21, 2004 at 12:22:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And now for the conspiracy theories!!! Lol
Can you imagine how many docs, psychs, pharmacies etc etc would end up broke
because of ibogaine (we’re talking potentially here of course Hehheh). They
don’t want it used because good grief they don’t want people to be well!!!
There’s FARRRRRR too much money to be made from the sick!!!!!
Ok, there ya go
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 3:32 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine]
To Jasen (y…

The medical profession is not using ibogaine because it is not approved by
the FDA or ministries of health in countries other than the US.  When
Deborah
Mash abandoned US studies that were approved by the FDA the possibility of
ibogaine as an approved medication in the US came to a halt.  While there
may be
rare exceptions, doctors are only allowed by law to use approved
medications.
There are also insurance and liability issues. Insurance will not cover
experimental therapies and should any patient suffer an adverse event the
legal and
financial consequences for the doctor could be enormous.

Howard

In a message dated 12/20/04 5:07:03 AM, AbbotAngel@aol.com writes:

From what I have researched about Ibogaine is that from other peoples
experiences it is a miracle there is no other drug to compare it to.
Especially
for treating drug withdrawl and addiction..  Why are doctors not  using
it, i
have read that they have done experiments on humans, but should it  not
be the
case where the medical profession use this drug as soon as possible  it
has to
be cheaper than perscriping methodone to people probably for the rest
of
their lives.  Or the Subutex is really expensive and in the uk you cant
buy it on
the streets.

I just dont understand why the medical profession are not raving about
this
miracle trearment is there a reason for this?????

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 20, 2004 at 11:07:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Very well put.  Sometimes that tell it like it is, kick in the butt, says it like nothing else.  My sentiments exactly.  Hope you’re well.
Until,      martee
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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your son (
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve been less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three  providers of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —– From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:

Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html

_.dh

On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >> sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:58:31 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Faith !
How is your son doing ? I am not very interrested by your
pseudo-Christian views  on politics  but I am more concerned by your son (
if it’s true that you have a son with drug problems ).Now , I ‘ve been less
time than you in this mailing list but I know for now three  providers of
Ibo, at least four facilitators and a Doc who can help Your son.
. So what the F** is going on ?/!
If you want to save life , start with your own son and move your christian
ass to help him.
Kindest regards
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to
deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary.
War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war
started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the
Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to
mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand
fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance
from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to
“I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that
makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world
domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy
stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the
neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to
help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted
you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass
goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda
is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the
radiation will.

unsubscribe yerself… how-to right here:

Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html

_.dh

On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do
have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a
full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be
innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the
mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy
innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we
should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many
other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think
differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry
for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted
my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >> sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of
the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands
listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for
you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think
what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it
both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the
other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that
blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving
us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to
be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very
basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing.
Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That
changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble
left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their
parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of
misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and
do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a
tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of
kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to
discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light
of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:21:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,
get someone to pay for the work and to cruch the data and perhaps the mash lady will do that.

They don’t even have the $ to cruch the addiction data

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:18:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Antobodies yes. Liver finction test NO

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
Date: December 20, 2004 at 9:21:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

I have been searching for an email sent by someone on 600 mls of
Methadone,I want to reply but cannot find the email again.

If you are reading this let me know who you are so I can reply.
Love Jasen.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:32:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,

It takes a while to know us,you are a blessing.
You guys inspired me to take Iboga.
You gave me energy.
Thankyou, Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and I needed to be reminded of a few points you made herein, so thanks heartfeltedly.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:29:40 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee !1
I have a question for you 🙂
How much Ibogaine it  will be for a  mini session. I am still not ready for a big session  but I would love to start with mini session
To get rid of my tobacco addiction. Can I do it by myself ?
How many grs ? and how many time ?.
God bless
Francis

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:27:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Julie, I’ve had thoughts but I don’t want to call them cravings because I feel like that is reinforcing in me something that I cannot control. I can control my thoughts somewhat, or at least better than a full blown craving. I feel like you and I, and a host of others who recently got treated, are kindred spirits and we should be here for each other. I think your honesty is a real good sign here. I know for me if I keep secrets I get sicker. The holidays and all the functions that I go to, and the gigs I play, have been a trigger for me too in the past. Right now I’m real picky about who I hang with and where I go and my family and friends are pretty understanding about that, but at some point I have to start acting “normal” and quit skirting the issue. I worry about any ex-addict who drinks although I thank God not all of them are alcoholics. I can’t drink cause I’m a raging boozer but if I could drink I would be afraid that I might not make the right decision when that person (and you know it will happen) that forgets or doesn’t care about your recovery offers you some dope. (Insert worst case scenario here.) I did some of the stupidest shit drunk. I feel like I know you and I know I respect what you have to say so thank you for your honesty and for helping me stay where I need to be. Here, and in the now. O yea, about that Southern Babtist upbringing, and out of curiosity, where are you from? I’m from Kentucky. Yeeeeeee Haaaaaaaa    Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Francis
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:00:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen belief systems

Hi Jasen !
I think if Jesus had to come back, he will be right with the forgotten
tribe : the suffering addicts. He will be in the street helping the hopeless
and helpless people. Certainly he will not follow the secular rules but only
what he had in his heart..

God bless
Francis

Hi Francis,
Yes I totaly agree.
Your are very kind, you generate me.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven. Lee.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 7:54:27 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee,

You are right it is not that simple,..unless it is.

When I said we all go to heaven,I said Eventually.
I most definatley believe there are conseqences to our actions.

Every thought word and deed has an impact on what we experience.
Yes I believe what you do and what you choose impacts on your soul,
however when the soul has lived it’s many lives finishing the full cycle it can then go home.

I am talking about the big picture,the overall vibration of life itself,the full circle.

I will go out on a limb here,…Even Hitler will ” end up” in heaven,..after he experiences all the pain
he caused to every person on every level.He will be experiencing the hurt and pain for what we see as Eons.
This is the tortured soul so to speak.This would be a type of self made Hell.

We evolve.

You cannot, not return,…you must,. you are a part of the one.
Untill you do ,what do you choose to experience,..there are consequeces to your choices,
you have free will. What you do to others will be done to you.Action and reaction.

So when I say we all go to heaven,..there is much inbetween to experience.
What do we choose to bring forth.

With love and respect.
Love Jasen.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:
Date: December 20, 2004 at 7:27:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Martee,
You give me goosebumps.
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron

Jasen,
Are you collecting this stuff you’re writing that is poetic,enlightened and beautiful?  I hope so.  Thank you so much for sharing your gift and insight.  What you wrote at the end of this post gave me great strength and acknowledgment of what I know I must do.  Thank you Thank you Thank you.
Much love,     Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron

Hey Ronie baby,
How are you bro.
Thats about the reason I cut mine,now it feels so odd.

Yes,…I understand about the pain and hoplessness out there,
I didn’t realise you worked in it. Can you still give of
your energy,as depleted as you are.

You will make it, if you so choose.The Iboga/Ibogaine will give you that choice.
The choice is no longer tortured, for me, it has become clear cut. It is like the demon,
..negative energy,call it what you like,..has gone.My body still wants it, to be comfortable
and because that’s how shallow the choice is now,(emotionaly spiritually,I do not need it anymore)
it has become a first choice of,”not interested” (I am emotionaly lightened)
without being hassled by other voices inside me,.saying..just tonight,I havn’t had for a while,
“just a little one, or, ” ohh, I’ll just snort it”ect ect…and all that bullsh*t that echo’s after your first choice.

I am lighter now,I do not need it at a deep level.My body will heal.My body is healing.
Spirit of Iboga,…..The spirit of heroin/opiates has been extracted,if I use again I let her back in,
then he will cry for company again and naw at me at a soul level again.

I am strong.

Love Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron

hey jasen:
really enjoying your freedom and posts. i use to have way long hair when i had it, cut it to go to professional school.  decided i d/n want anyone to notice me , except a babe.  i now want to be everyman, so people c/n tell much or anything about me by the way  i look. when the shit goes down, people will be asking” wasn’t there someone else standing around”? can’t remember what he   looked like.  my insides define my outsides and i use my out side apperance to get places i c/n go before. just one schmucks opinion. each to his own.  i strive to be a citizen if the world again and avoid those that keep me from it. i hope i make it.  i deal with 50 people day and few have cars or parents that care what happens to them,  many just want a good meal but our barbaric penal system gives them outrageous amts. of time and the circle will never be broken.  you are a lucky guy to have received what you did. my clients have babies just for ct.ordered child support b/c they d/n know how to work nor do they want to.  be cool with your freedom, i’m jealous. ron and post away bro.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 6:08:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Lee,

How are you?  I am wondering perhaps if a follow-up
treatment might be appropriate.  Does anyone know
approximately how long to wait before undertaking
another Ibogaine session?

I am interested in the idea of a low dose maintenance
therapy.  Are you using the root bark, extract or HCL?
How long have you been using low dose therapy?

How do you feel overall?

Julie

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:50:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Julie,
You are very kind.  I do not know what infp means.  I am however a Cancer on the cusp of Leo.  Reborn a Leo with my ibogaine experience. Rising in Gemini.  My sister always said I needed to get in touch with my Leo side.  I’m feeling pretty good.  In the course of one day I go from having a hard time motivating( I believe that is a cancerian thing.  Never do today what you can put off for tomorrow) to having an amazing amt of energy and this feeling of well being that has me buzzing and so high.  I find giving and loving my clients (especially ones I have known for a while and have a wonderful repore with) is one of the things that does this for me.  Hugging someone who I realized doesn’t get hugs because her abusive family is dead and she does not have any siblings as I do and works in correctional facility so she does not get love and admiration and healthy happy interaction with her “clients” as I do with mine.   Being a catallyst to someones healing is a way of healing myself.  Sometimes when I’m not at my best God sends me someone that is an amplified situation of where I could go did I not have the faith and recognize the signs and opportunities sent my way.  Healing, giving, loving is a universal circle done unconditionally without expectations and only good intentions. Those moments where mentally I regress was put into perspective for me at my last group.  I was told the thought of past behavior or what appears to be the start of a downward spiral is really an opportunity to realize that it is happening because emotions  are surfacing that need to be addressed and looked at.  It is our past response of medicate or wallow that what takes over automatically. This info was of great use for me and really gave me much needed perspective.  Overall I would have to say I am a work in progress and doing quite well.  Check with me in a couple of hours I’ll let you know!
I had my treatment Aug.11th I believe.  It was a Thursday.
Booze is metabolized as sugar in the body.  Some worse than others. It also feeds that addictive thing(I feel).  Being the black sheep, who is usually the most sensitive of the bunch, you probably took on the guilt and shame for others in your family as well as being doled out your own ration. Follow your intuition.  You know what you need.  Your intuition is that which comes to you foremost and immediately.  It’s always right.  Don’t thin it down with guilt, fear and other peoples opinions.  I know I’ve said this a number of times however, it’s worth repeating.  Just because their your family doesn’t mean you have to interact on their terms.  You can choose the terms, if , when or for how long your contact is with them.  Self preservation should be your number one concern these days.  If you went 6 years without doing what you feel is  the right thing, taking another block of time to figure out what is the right thing probably won’t change the dynamics of your family or how they interrelate. In the sceme of things nothing is more important than your sanity and peace of mind.  A good rule of thumb is anytime you are in a situation and do not feel SAFE or STRONG(in control) or FREE then you are in an abusive arena and need to either stand up for yourself, get someone else to do that if you can’t or else get the hell out.
As always, Julie, nice to hear from you and share with you.
Martee

—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Martee,

I have never met you, but I feel like I ‘know’ you
intimately on some level…The things that you say not
just to me, but to others on this list, really hit
home.  I believe you are also destined for great
things; you are a natural healer…Are you an INFP
also?  Water sign?

When were you treated?  4-5 months ago?  How are you
feeling overall these days?  I don’t think my sugar
intake has increased, but I have been boozing it up,
which I’m sure IS throwing me out of whack.

For about 6 years I was a completely selfish
asshole…Never attended family functions, staff
parties, religious rituals, the whole shebang…I have
been trying to set aside my self-absorbed pre-detox
behaviours, and to be more kind and considerate to
those who love me.  But I am finding it exceedingly
hard.  I think there was a reason I avoided those
events in the first place- cuz they drain my soul( my
family are all Southern Baptists, and I am the BLACK
SHEEP).  The whole trip of having to interact with
people with whom I have absolutely nothing in common,
with whom I can’t really be myself- it’s so
artificial, unnatural and contrary to everything I
believe about healthy social interaction.

Anyways, enough of my pity party….how are you doing,
girl?  Your presence on this list bathes it in a
beautiful, purplish aura…you rock, Martee!

love Julie

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:36:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/20/04 3:31:14 PM, bchloej@hotmail.com writes:

Because I  behaved as many of you think we should’ve behaved toward the
terriorists,
my son got on drugs and many other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the
reply.  I just think differently than most in this group.

Thinking differently is OK but, please explain how behavior towards
“terrorists” got your son on drugs?  I realize I am paraphrasing somewhat but, any
further explanation would be appreciated. Thanks

Howard

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:18:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,
Are you collecting this stuff you’re writing that is poetic,enlightened and beautiful?  I hope so.  Thank you so much for sharing your gift and insight.  What you wrote at the end of this post gave me great strength and acknowledgment of what I know I must do.  Thank you Thank you Thank you.
Much love,     Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron

Hey Ronie baby,
How are you bro.
Thats about the reason I cut mine,now it feels so odd.

Yes,…I understand about the pain and hoplessness out there,
I didn’t realise you worked in it. Can you still give of
your energy,as depleted as you are.

You will make it, if you so choose.The Iboga/Ibogaine will give you that choice.
The choice is no longer tortured, for me, it has become clear cut. It is like the demon,
..negative energy,call it what you like,..has gone.My body still wants it, to be comfortable
and because that’s how shallow the choice is now,(emotionaly spiritually,I do not need it anymore)
it has become a first choice of,”not interested” (I am emotionaly lightened)
without being hassled by other voices inside me,.saying..just tonight,I havn’t had for a while,
“just a little one, or, ” ohh, I’ll just snort it”ect ect…and all that bullsh*t that echo’s after your first choice.

I am lighter now,I do not need it at a deep level.My body will heal.My body is healing.
Spirit of Iboga,…..The spirit of heroin/opiates has been extracted,if I use again I let her back in,
then he will cry for company again and naw at me at a soul level again.

I am strong.

Love Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron

hey jasen:
really enjoying your freedom and posts. i use to have way long hair when i had it, cut it to go to professional school.  decided i d/n want anyone to notice me , except a babe.  i now want to be everyman, so people c/n tell much or anything about me by the way  i look. when the shit goes down, people will be asking” wasn’t there someone else standing around”? can’t remember what he   looked like.  my insides define my outsides and i use my out side apperance to get places i c/n go before. just one schmucks opinion. each to his own.  i strive to be a citizen if the world again and avoid those that keep me from it. i hope i make it.  i deal with 50 people day and few have cars or parents that care what happens to them,  many just want a good meal but our barbaric penal system gives them outrageous amts. of time and the circle will never be broken.  you are a lucky guy to have received what you did. my clients have babies just for ct.ordered child support b/c they d/n know how to work nor do they want to.  be cool with your freedom, i’m jealous. ron and post away bro.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:15:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee,
Exactly what do you consider to be a mini session?  I have been thinking and planning what I call a booster session. same thing i guess.  I got clean last time but did not enjoy a whole lot of the psycho spiritual stuff and look forward to it this time.  I believe the amt. and length of time jasen was dosed as well as where he was (spiritually and emotionally)when he started has a lot to do with what he got from his session.  I actually did open up the topic of dreams on this list a couple of months ago for that reason of knowing it was something to explore,however wanting others perception and experiences.  I have been meditating and using visualization daily.  If I didn’t think the  group therapy offered great benefits and insight I wouldn’t waste my time.  I usually go into things open minded and yet guarded(personally).  So If I come away with one thing that I consider insightful and helpful per session it’s all good.  If not being with 5 other people that have been clean for 5-12 years is also helpful.
I’ve always believed addiction is the symptom and manifestation of the real issue.  I believe some form of abuse or abandonment or neglect or an unhealthy sense of self for whatever reason and the need to dull the reality of all that.   I think the majority of addicts really believe if they can just get through the physical thing they KNOW they’ll be fine.  I believed this for years all through my 1,000 attempts to clean up.  I’ve seen this mindset in many many others.   I’ll bet there right now are people on the list reading this and thinking  that is their case for sure, they’ll be fine if they can just get clean.
So I know you said you were still working on your mini session theory but i’m curious at this point if you have anything to say on it.  Color me impatient.
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: Inverting Vertebrae <invertingvertebrae@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:03:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Martee, Thank you for real for writing this, I really
needed to hear it.
Cheers,
-J

— “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net> wrote:

Hi Julie,
About 3months out, I noticed some of the
behaviors that the ibogaine
removed were starting to slip back in again.  To
start the no more coffee
was now 2 or 3x a week, decaf, (still can’t tolerate
cafeine) then some
weeks almost everyday.  I behavioraly and what I
feel my health can tolerate
control it.  TV slipping back in.  Not quite to the
degree it was.  Still
listening to more music than ever but not as much as
the first 2 months.
Sporadically had dope dreams throughout.  The
mindset that fueled the drug
behavior is what I see seeping back.  Becoming more
reclusive again.  Going
from craving human contact to an aversion to making
phone calls once again.
This is why in one of my previous posts to Jasen I
commented how these 3
months after were a gift that should be treated like
gold.  The idea, I
believe would be to get in place your routine,
mindset, understanding of
triggers, weaknesses and a game plan before things
level out.  I  started
group therapy 3 weeks ago.  Wish I had done it
sooner. I consider myself
fortunate to have found an extremely qualified
therapist.  Re: drug use, I
haven’t!  Two main reasons.  I am not legistically
close by any.  It would
be a major song and dance to get anything.  Plus, at
my age and length of
usage, I was beyond ready to stop and I find it
interesting that the
nonconstructive behavior is peeking at times but not
the cravings.
One thing I find interesting in your
description was your using the
word “forced” in reference to the holiday functions
or social gatherings you
are attending.  By definition all abusive behavior
no matter what, it is
starts with the word Force.  Being forced even if no
one is physically
dragging you there is still an emotional and
spiritual drain on our sense of
self.   Any form of abuse lowers ones sense of
self(esteem) which is for
many(most) what is at the root of their addictive
behavior.  So, yes holiday
stuff does bring up trauma for so many people as
well coupled with the
timing of your still gliding on eboga brain
fuel(possibly waning) and not
yet really
behaviorally figuring out the best coping skills for
you and these not so
pleasant situations. I hope this makes sense.  I can
elaborate or reexplain
if needed.
I’m sorry, but I have to say it.  Are you
eating more sugar than
normally due to holidays?  I know it would wack my
mindset out.  Just a
thought.
One thing I would like to say to you Julie, is
that for someone your
age I find you particularly mature, grounded,
intelligent, able to get
points across in a most effective manner(humor
included), as well as open
minded and I feel meant for great things.   I am
honored to have been able
to correspond with you and been influenced by your
posts.  Girlfriend, fight
the good fight.  One of Jasens last posts, dated
12/20 had one of his poems
that he writes that hit me so close and so strongly.
He said,”The spirit of
heroin/opiods have been extracted, if I use again I
let her back in, then he
will cry for company again and nag at me at a sould
level again.  I am
strong.”   This is the nature of addiction and how
the brain responds to the
slow reintroduction of addictive
behaviors/substances.  It’s just a matter
of time before you’re back where you left off
(usually plus some).   I’ve
seen it. I’ve experienced it.  I’ve even had this
fact coraborated by those
with more analytical and scientific minds than mine.
Hope some of the above helps.   Just a
thought, but you really don’t
have to do these function.  All one ever has to do
is breathe air, drink
water, alittle food maybe and shelter is a plus.
Beyond that exists free
choice.  No one can really make you do anything.
Temper the mind chatter
that guilts you into doing that which you don’t want
to.
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my
acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your
own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to
your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks
have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple
of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome
boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday
season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but
many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more
staff
party, familial function, or boring religious
ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced
social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed
and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than
drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of
you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or
if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal
with
it?

love Julie

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To All of You / meaning of USA, Europa and Christianity
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:28:44 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello FakePlacebo,
I am in Australia,but I was born in the middle east.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: FakePlacebo
To: Summary
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:56 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To All of You / meaning of USA, Europa and Christianity

Dear Friends,
I think there is no one in the list from middle east except me.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems/Angel.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:26:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Angel,
Maybe “pretending” was a bit strong.
The humans are all around us Being human.
We are much more is simply what I meant

Is a butterfly it’s cocoon?
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hi Jasen

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

If this is true where are all the humans or do they not exist?????????????????

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] att Faith.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:25:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

except the buschco agenda (starting long before 9-11) was to deliberately steal the Iraqi oil, at any cost, human or monetary. War-wise generals warned of the current failure long before the war started. Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.

Rumsfeld is [finally] losing face right now with Hawks both in the Pentagon and capitol hill for his terrible mis-calculations (not to mention the sanctioning of war-crime torture), but Cheney and “W” stand fast by his side. But then again that little shrub gets his guidance from “God”…  – hey – who can argue with that? … isn’t that akin to “I hear voices in my head.. Its GOD! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” -that makes is all okee-dokee.

maybe you ought to join the “fundamental right christians for world domination forum”, i hear they’re hungry for fresh “blood”. Then go buy stock in halliburton and pray to the Depleted Uranium statue of the neo-militant Christ on your way to the bank. Jump on a plane to Iraq to help democratize the muslims but remember even if you’re enlisted you’ll have to make your own armour.

Then put your head between yer knees, pucker up and kiss your sweet ass goodbye because they ain’t interested in what the petroleum corp agenda is offering…  if the roadside/suicide bombs don’t git yah then the radiation will.

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On Monday, December 20, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a “terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too >> sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing. Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:16:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Angel,

Thankyou,I still have plenty of hair. 🙂

I was pretty trippy about spirituality and love before Iboga,
if trippy is the right word.I say trippy because a lot of society
think you are off your head when you choose to be one with everything,
when you come from love.

Which I am,… as it now comes from a soul level.

Iboga has taken me over the top and it is beautiful there,the view is glorious.

The Iboga confirmed many things,and also showed me things that I
thought I was so right about,..where I was so so wrong.

Sara did many wonderful things,however did not speak to me of the black and white dog.
Non of what I got was suggested.

I work with Chinese Metaphysics,so I have always believed in the ying and the yang,
the black and the white. I knew before Iboga that for life to exist we need the black and the white(so to speak)

I was given understanding of this.Life is a vibration between the black and white ,the ying and yang.
Without the opposite,the vibration could not bounce back and it is this vibration that is life.

Uhmmmmmmm,I now truly understand the Yogi. When our body is tuned into a certain frequency
we can tune into the higher consciousness.What we think ,what we say and do affects the vibration of our body.

It is all so simple yet not.

Iboga opened me up to a higher consciousness.I was one with everything and I could choose to experience any of it.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Jasen
Hi Im glad you are feelin well, and i hope your hair grows back.  When you had the ibo when you were trippy on it did sara talk to you about the black and white dog.  What i mean is does the ibo work because when you are in the trippy state whatever is suggested stays in your mind afterwards?? or is that how you feel????

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:53:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,

I am glad you responded.

It would be interesting if you could elaborate why you
think that your behaviour caused your son to go into
drugs? I assume you feel responsible for not
preventing him or in some way not discouraging him.

It would be great if you could open up a little bit on
this to the list as I am sure there are many here who
could learn from your experience and maybe throw
things into a different light for you. Often we blame
ourselves for much which is not our fault and then go
on to impose incredible hardship on our own behaviour
like enduring a ton of voices stomping on our opinions
– a kind of self punishment perhaps.

I think you have the right to your opinions & I for
one support the right of others to chose but I never
personally enjoy the idea of abortion.

I am sure there are other areas too where we differ.
But its better to focus on where we have something in
common:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

So you and I know you wont change anyones opinion here
nor will they change yours. But what you can do is
change the lives of people by sharing your experiences
and adding to the common good.

Love & Light,

Lee

— Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested
this.  Yes, I do have a
bad life experience–being married and divorcing a
“terriorist”.  And, I
know form experience that anything less than a full
offence empowers the
person.  In any war, there are going to be innocent
lives taken.  But,
there’s a big difference in this and the mindset of
going into something
with the deliberate intent to destroy innocent human
life.  Because I
behaved as many of you think we should’ve behaved
toward the terriorists, my
son got on drugs and many other bad things happened.
But, thanks for the
reply.  I just think differently than most in this
group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form
list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best
I suppose. Sorry for
starting up this latest response in your direction
when I posted my earlier
post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling
too sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the
bottom of some of the
emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list
of commands listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot
of empathy for you. I
think there is a lot of fear in your life and I
dread to think what your
own life experiences have been. i am sorry for
that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love
you cant cut it both
ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a
dove in the other. They
dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the
hatred that blocks the
healing spirit from showing us who we really are,
giving us compassion for
ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all
life and if you feel
that its okay for people in the middle east to be
mutilated and blown to
pieces then sorry you are cut off from very basic
human compassion. This
compassion is at the root of healing. Don’t cloud
the issues with emotive
discussions about abortion. That changes nothing.
As we speak children are
walking over the rubble left after the distruction
of their homes and the
deaths of their parents. Old people are sitting in
a state of trauma facing
a life of misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of
your politics and do
not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine
you live with a tortured
mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an
act of kindness that
will break down those walls within you and lead you
to discover the common
humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be
blessed with the light of
compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:28:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee, actually this is the second time I’ve requested this.  Yes, I do have a bad life experience–being married and divorcing a “terriorist”.  And, I know form experience that anything less than a full offence empowers the person.  In any war, there are going to be innocent lives taken.  But, there’s a big difference in this and the mindset of going into something with the deliberate intent to destroy innocent human life.  Because I behaved as many of you think we should’ve behaved toward the terriorists, my son got on drugs and many other bad things happened.  But, thanks for the reply.  I just think differently than most in this group.  Faith

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:09:42 +0000 (GMT)

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing. Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:17:28 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If you want to use coconut oil, cook it slow.
Low fire 30 minutes smell it.
Is it yummi? then is ok.
If not smelling yummi cook it some more time.

Strain and presto!!!

gdc
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>; <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation

HYPOTHETICALLY:
If someone were to prepare pot for brownies, how would one go about doing
that? I mean, how long does one “soak” or “steep” or “boil” the pot in the
oil (coconut oil probably in this hypothetical case) prior to straining it
into the mixture of brownie stuff? Straining it is necessary, right? I
know,
ol’ expert me should be able to adivse this person on how to do this, were
it an actual person and not a hypothetical person, but I don’t, not having
ever actually made brownies myself, only eaten them instead.
So any advise would be appreciated. Today too please.
Thanks kindly kind souls in cyberland.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:12:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston

Butter is better,
put the pot, (measuring 1/2 joint each cookie) in the butter (2,3
spoonfulls) you may add some milk to avoid burning (and evaporating), 10,
20, 30 minutes it´s up to you, and up to the strenght of the pot.
Strain, yes.
Take out the “material” and leave just the greeny butter and cook with that.

I love a strong coffe with that.
cheers

gdc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>; <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation

HYPOTHETICALLY:
If someone were to prepare pot for brownies, how would one go about doing
that? I mean, how long does one “soak” or “steep” or “boil” the pot in the
oil (coconut oil probably in this hypothetical case) prior to straining it
into the mixture of brownie stuff? Straining it is necessary, right? I
know,
ol’ expert me should be able to adivse this person on how to do this, were
it an actual person and not a hypothetical person, but I don’t, not having
ever actually made brownies myself, only eaten them instead.
So any advise would be appreciated. Today too please.
Thanks kindly kind souls in cyberland.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] question on brownies preparation
Date: December 20, 2004 at 2:39:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HYPOTHETICALLY:
If someone were to prepare pot for brownies, how would one go about doing that? I mean, how long does one “soak” or “steep” or “boil” the pot in the oil (coconut oil probably in this hypothetical case) prior to straining it into the mixture of brownie stuff? Straining it is necessary, right? I know, ol’ expert me should be able to adivse this person on how to do this, were it an actual person and not a hypothetical person, but I don’t, not having ever actually made brownies myself, only eaten them instead.
So any advise would be appreciated. Today too please.
Thanks kindly kind souls in cyberland.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 2:15:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Martee,

I have never met you, but I feel like I ‘know’ you
intimately on some level…The things that you say not
just to me, but to others on this list, really hit
home.  I believe you are also destined for great
things; you are a natural healer…Are you an INFP
also?  Water sign?

When were you treated?  4-5 months ago?  How are you
feeling overall these days?  I don’t think my sugar
intake has increased, but I have been boozing it up,
which I’m sure IS throwing me out of whack.

For about 6 years I was a completely selfish
asshole…Never attended family functions, staff
parties, religious rituals, the whole shebang…I have
been trying to set aside my self-absorbed pre-detox
behaviours, and to be more kind and considerate to
those who love me.  But I am finding it exceedingly
hard.  I think there was a reason I avoided those
events in the first place- cuz they drain my soul( my
family are all Southern Baptists, and I am the BLACK
SHEEP).  The whole trip of having to interact with
people with whom I have absolutely nothing in common,
with whom I can’t really be myself- it’s so
artificial, unnatural and contrary to everything I
believe about healthy social interaction.

Anyways, enough of my pity party….how are you doing,
girl?  Your presence on this list bathes it in a
beautiful, purplish aura…you rock, Martee!

love Julie

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 18mc and Hello!
Date: December 20, 2004 at 1:47:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/20/04 1:36:06 PM, kosmocraterhater@hotmail.com writes:

Isn’t 18mc the ibogaine congener that has some potential in addiction and
it seems to stop withdrawal without the hallucinogenic part?.

That is what its developers hope for.

Howard

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From: “Kurt Finguerra” <kosmocraterhater@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 18mc and Hello!
Date: December 20, 2004 at 1:33:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Isn’t 18mc the ibogaine congener that has some potential in addiction and it seems to stop withdrawal without the hallucinogenic part?.

This is also my first post to this list. I went and did ibogaine in st kitts in early sept. Where did most of ya’ll go for your treatment?.  I wonder if the same saftey protocols are used in all settings.
I ask because I thought the blood pressure cuff, the monitor, the heart checks, the beeps, the nurse staring at me, “messin” with me, all that was necessary. My experience was greatly influenced by these things. At one point I got a bit paranoid thinking I was in some MK-ultra experiment, that the ibogaine was just a cover to get me to come to remote st. kitts, and be given and experimental drug. I had thought the nausea shot they gave me before hand was the real drug being tested! this went on for about 1/5 of the total “immersment into the fold of images” or however one might describe iboga-land.
I hadn’t slept more than an hour or two each night for the previous 2 weeks.(methadone 120 for 6 years) and went into the ibogaine experience fairly whacked out.
anyway, I look forward to this list, as I haven’t belonged to an e-list in years.
Kurt

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:02:25 EST

Planta Med. 2004 Sep;70(9):808-12.

Anti-HIV-1 activity of the Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine.

Silva EM, Cirne-Santos CC, Frugulhetti IC, Galvao-Castro B, Saraiva EM,
Kuehne ME, Bou-Habib DC.
Laboratorio Avancado de Saude Publica, Centro de Pesquisas Goncalo Moniz,
Salvador, BA, Brazil.

The Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC) exhibits in vitro
leishmanicidal and in vivo anti-addiction properties. In this paper, we
describe that 18-MC inhibits HIV-1 infection in human peripheral blood mononuclear
cells (PBMCs) and monocyte-derived macrophages. We found that 18-MC inhibits
the replication of primary isolates of HIV-1 in a dose-dependent manner,
regardless of the preferential chemokine receptor usage of the isolates, at
non-cell-toxic concentrations. The antiretroviral activity of 18-MC resulted in EC (50)
values of 22.5 +/- 4.7 microM and 23 +/- 4.5 microM for R5 and X4 isolates,
respectively, in PBMCs, and a therapeutic index (TI) of 14.5. Similar findings
were observed for inhibition of HIV-1 replication in macrophages: EC (50)
equal to 12.8 +/- 5 microM and 9.5 +/- 3 microM for an R5 virus after 14 and 21
days of infection, respectively, with TI equal to 25.6 and 34.5. 18-MC
moderately inhibits the HIV-1 enzyme reverse transcriptase (IC (50) = 69.4 microM),
which at least partially explains its antiretroviral activity.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis
Date: December 20, 2004 at 1:24:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I’m trying to send “stuff” I wrote when the list was down and got lost or sucked into the block hole of Patricka or whatever. Sorry about that for I know not shit about the computer other than trying to get my point across. How’s this? I hope I haven’t sent one this time. I’ll rewrite the other stuff.           Randy

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 1:17:29 PM EST
To: ibo <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Julie,
About 3months out, I noticed some of the behaviors that the ibogaine
removed were starting to slip back in again.  To start the no more coffee
was now 2 or 3x a week, decaf, (still can’t tolerate cafeine) then some
weeks almost everyday.  I behavioraly and what I feel my health can tolerate
control it.  TV slipping back in.  Not quite to the degree it was.  Still
listening to more music than ever but not as much as the first 2 months.
Sporadically had dope dreams throughout.  The mindset that fueled the drug
behavior is what I see seeping back.  Becoming more reclusive again.  Going
from craving human contact to an aversion to making phone calls once again.
This is why in one of my previous posts to Jasen I commented how these 3
months after were a gift that should be treated like gold.  The idea, I
believe would be to get in place your routine, mindset, understanding of
triggers, weaknesses and a game plan before things level out.  I  started
group therapy 3 weeks ago.  Wish I had done it sooner. I consider myself
fortunate to have found an extremely qualified therapist.  Re: drug use, I
haven’t!  Two main reasons.  I am not legistically close by any.  It would
be a major song and dance to get anything.  Plus, at my age and length of
usage, I was beyond ready to stop and I find it interesting that the
nonconstructive behavior is peeking at times but not the cravings.
One thing I find interesting in your description was your using the
word “forced” in reference to the holiday functions or social gatherings you
are attending.  By definition all abusive behavior no matter what, it is
starts with the word Force.  Being forced even if no one is physically
dragging you there is still an emotional and spiritual drain on our sense of
self.   Any form of abuse lowers ones sense of self(esteem) which is for
many(most) what is at the root of their addictive behavior.  So, yes holiday
stuff does bring up trauma for so many people as well coupled with the
timing of your still gliding on eboga brain fuel(possibly waning) and not yet really
behaviorally figuring out the best coping skills for you and these not so
pleasant situations. I hope this makes sense.  I can elaborate or reexplain
if needed.
I’m sorry, but I have to say it.  Are you eating more sugar than
normally due to holidays?  I know it would wack my mindset out.  Just a
thought.
One thing I would like to say to you Julie, is that for someone your
age I find you particularly mature, grounded, intelligent, able to get
points across in a most effective manner(humor included), as well as open
minded and I feel meant for great things.   I am honored to have been able
to correspond with you and been influenced by your posts.  Girlfriend, fight
the good fight.  One of Jasens last posts, dated 12/20 had one of his poems that he writes that hit me so close and so strongly.  He said,”The spirit of heroin/opiods have been extracted, if I use again I let her back in, then he will cry for company again and nag at me at a sould level again.  I am strong.”   This is the nature of addiction and how the brain responds to the slow reintroduction of addictive behaviors/substances.  It’s just a matter of time before you’re back where you left off (usually plus some).   I’ve seen it. I’ve experienced it.  I’ve even had this fact coraborated by those with more analytical and scientific minds than mine.
Hope some of the above helps.   Just a thought, but you really don’t have to do these function.  All one ever has to do is breathe air, drink water, alittle food maybe and shelter is a plus.  Beyond that exists free choice.  No one can really make you do anything.  Temper the mind chatter that guilts you into doing that which you don’t want to. Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:59:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi julia,

I hope you dont mind if I put a spiritual twist on what I precieve as going on in what you describe?

The initial eboga/ibogaine experience opens up the soul and disables the ego. After a few months the force of the underlying problems gradually reenforces the ego to act in its own defense. With the restrengthening of the ego there is a cut off from the vital energy or the divine feminine (which eboga releases through opening up the soul) and this is then compensated for by the return to cravings etc imo.

As you know I am a strong advocate of an ongoing treatment program working with small doses centered around journalling, dreams and day to day awareness. I believe that unless such a program is followed the force of the underlying problems will drive one back to a state of addiction from which another major session will be required. That is why i am studying the process of mini-sessions and in time will publish online (I hope) my conclusions or understanding of the factors involved.

Of course there is always traditional therapy but imo its often not sufficient as it may help to maintain a person from returning to dope but it is really a limbo state. I prefer to be free, not in a state of maintenance.

Lots of love

Lee

PS. If I were you I would try and hang out with people I cared about and try and avoid bullshit xmas get togethers. They’ll only drag you down unless you use them to catalyse you into your shit with a mini (low-dose) session?

Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F. F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others? I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!! I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell – att Jasen
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:33:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended) but I am sorry, I dont think it is that simple.

In my experience we live from life to life and traumas from earliers life’s can be stored in the soul. I think a lot of the work with ibogaine/eboga is actually healing of the soul. This means that the soul can be in different states and if for example, a soul is deeply afflicted, the loss of the ego does not in itself remove the affliction.

Your experience of the ego dropping away and entering into a blissful union is imo in the words of the myth of the Holy Grail, a first taste of the Holy Grail cup. The first taste comes free. The next comes at a price. With eboga I have found it can selectively suppress the awareness of trauma etc to focus that person onto a specific experience (for a learning to be gained) and in your case I would say it gave you a blissful experience by such a mechanism to show you what can be.

I cannot and will not comment on the state of your soul but i suspect that there is a reason why you became drawn to dope etc in the first place and I think it is fair to say that those reasons will rise up and challenge you in the months that come. Those initial reasons will also have spawned secondary issues. There are different ways you can deal with those issues. Another post…

Hence if a given soul is suffering at different levels, it cannot imo then walk into the union of bliss etc post death as it is incapable of experiencing the whole as it is not itself whole. It has to be healed and made whole.

In my opinion this is all about growing the soul and learning the lessons for the soul to mature and find its place among the transcended who exist and are conscient beings on another level imo.

You say we all go to “Heaven.” Is it that easy? Not really. There are rewards for those who chose the light and work to overcome the dark that plagues them and who learn their lessons. If one poisons ones own soul from life to life rather than do the work and move towards the light of the common good, then there is no heaven that that soul is capable of experiencing. It actomatically creates its own hell of seperation. And I do believe there comes a point where there is no turning back.

There is such a thing as free will and through free will we chose our own heaven or hell. Free will would be pointless if there were no consequences.

Losing the ego is not the end of the story imo.

Love & Light,

Lee
Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and I needed to be reminded of
a few points you made herein, so thanks heartfeltedly.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun”
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

> Hey Kirsty
>
> There is no hell,as you probably already know.
> Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
> I understand that this is hard to swallow
> I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
> to politics and not Lee.
>
> Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
> I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.
>
> If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a
> thing)Non sinners.
> He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly
> are,..all of us.
> The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.
>
> No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the
> Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
> and many other masters that have walked the earth.
> Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who
> could see who we all were.
>
> In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
> human.Humans…Being.
> We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.
>
> I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it
> myself,knowing is not enough.
>
> Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father
> do such a thing.
> What is their to gain.
>
> My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black
> abyss,and you return to the loving
> bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
> I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return
> to the whole,like purifying gold.
>
> There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my
> beautiful child.
> You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
> I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just
> poured out,it was pure bliss.
> I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a
> roulet wheel of people to experience.
>
> Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling
> of even more than love,like there
> was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than
> love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
> Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand
> comming from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
> It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.
>
> They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when
> you leave this plain.YES.
>
> I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every
> fibre of my being,
> as I was shown.
> Love Jasen.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Kirsty Sutherland”
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems
>
>
>> Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
>> planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make
>> things
>> a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell….
>> so
>> they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
>> Judgement day.
>> Oh joyyyyyy.
>> Kirsty
>>
>>>
>> The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to
>> know
>> where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
>> held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
>> Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
>> think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
>> too?
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list – att Faith.
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:09:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,

I am sorry you are going but its probably the best I suppose. Sorry for starting up this latest response in your direction when I posted my earlier post you responded to. I hope you are not feeling too sore?

Its very simply to unsubscribe. If you look at the bottom of some of the emails you will see the unsubscribe command or list of commands listed.

I want to tell you from my heart that I have a lot of empathy for you. I think there is a lot of fear in your life and I dread to think what your own life experiences have been. i am sorry for that.

The thing is, if one is seriously looking for love you cant cut it both ways. Its not a case of a rifle in one hand and a dove in the other. They dont sit together.

Healing is to fully embrace love and to discard the hatred that blocks the healing spirit from showing us who we really are, giving us compassion for ourselves and for others. Its about respect for all life and if you feel that its okay for people in the middle east to be mutilated and blown to pieces then sorry you are cut off from very basic human compassion. This compassion is at the root of healing. Don’t cloud the issues with emotive discussions about abortion. That changes nothing. As we speak children are walking over the rubble left after the distruction of their homes and the deaths of their parents. Old people are sitting in a state of trauma facing a life of misery.

If you feel nothing for these people, regardless of your politics and do not feel moved to show compassion then I imagine you live with a tortured mind and i hope some day you will be touched by an act of kindness that will break down those walls within you and lead you to discover the common humanity that joins us all.

I send you my love and pray that you will be blessed with the light of compassion in the year that comes.

Love & Light

Lee

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings and the Holiday Season
Date: December 20, 2004 at 11:55:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

First of all, I would like to apologize for my acidic
comments towards F.  F., you are entitled to your own
opinion, and I for one am happy that you stick to your
guns despite what others think, regardless of my
previous post.

After 2 months of no cravings, the last 2 weeks have
been bloody brutal- dreams of using, hardcore
cravings, you name it…I almost scored a couple of
days ago, but thank god I have an awesome boyfriend,
who talked me out of it and reminded me of all the
progress I have made.

List, am I alone in noticing how the holiday season
seems to bring the worst out of not just me, but many
others?  I mean, if I have to attend one more staff
party, familial function, or boring religious ceremony
I am going to lose it!!  I think that ‘forced social
interaction’ is one of my biggest triggers by far-
bigger even than other users, bigger than stashed and
recently discovered drug gear, bigger than drug-using
dreams, etc….etc…etc….

Randy, FakePlacebo, Jeff…we were all treated at
roughly the same time…I’m wondering if any of you
have had a re-emergence in cravings recently, or if
it’s just me…And if you did, how did you deal with
it?

love Julie

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] please remove my name form list
Date: December 20, 2004 at 11:10:18 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still ot) Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:53:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t hate her, I’m just disgusted Kirk.
;-))
Hate is a very heavy vibe that I try very hard not to succumb to. That doesn’t mean I always am successful at steering completely away, falling sometimes into that lazy way of expressing hateful emotions, sometimes, but I do not spend any time hating per se. I do get angry, but I do not hate, don’t worry.
That said, I know that for me it is really better to usually not allow myself to do what I did yesterday, and post some vitriolic post or other, but hell, it is cathartic sometimes, and if that unnamed person is going to take the time to post her dreck here on a list where I feel pretty comfortable, with friends even, she is going to have to accept the responsibility for her statements and accept the consequences, that others here- no, take that back, I can only speak for myself, that I for one may also feel liberated and go ahead and put my feelings about her statements out in the open too. Like her, I too must accept the consequences of my actions and do.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

I’m sure that’s not the way “they” see it at all…..and hating them only
leads to alienation from both sides, so we miss the chance to learn from one
another.
Ah well, tis a long road
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

How’s the classic song go, “killing for Jesus?” Who sang that, the Dead
Milkmen? Circle Jerks? Who was that again?
I refuse to even write her name, that name that’s perfect for a Bush
supporter, but you know who I mean I’m sure, but in my opinion she is one of

those disgusting (to my way to looking at life anyway) people who think
killing and bombing other people will bring them and those they care about
peace. She is exactly the reason, she and her ilk, that there is so much
suffering, hate and fear on this planet.
Oh shit, I wasn’t going to do this, but I can’t resist, I’m so tired and

disgusted by this person and her support of murderous criminals. I guess my
views are taking those living into account before the unborn, who that
person who I won’t name I’d be willing to bet couldn’t care less about once
born- other than as bombing targets and cannon fodder. I bet she doesn’t
support universal health care. I could be wrong, but I bet not.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

Faith,

God, won’t you just stop all this nonsense…why are
you here?  You don’t support anyone, you don’t add
anything original to this list…all you do is flame
and post pro-life, judgmental propoganda.

I, for one, am getting exceedingly tired of you
crawling out from under your sanctimonious rock from
time to time, only to post things that virtually no
one on this list agrees with.  Why don’t you join the
pro-life, pro-Bush, pro-Republican forums, where you
will find like minded individuals with whom you can
have all manners of conversations about the rest of us
being filthy heathens, sinners, and the like…

Seeing as though you are one of God’s chosen few,
annointed from on high to cast judgment upon every
other person, perhaps you should redirect your energy
upon improving yourself, instead of picking other
people apart…

Instead of fighting against the current, why not go
with the flow???

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:47:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and I needed to be reminded of a few points you made herein, so thanks heartfeltedly.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hey Kirsty

There is no hell,as you probably already know.
Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
I understand that this is hard to swallow
I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
to politics and not Lee.

Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.

If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a thing)Non sinners.
He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly are,..all of us.
The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.

No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
and many other masters that have walked the earth.
Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who could see who we all were.

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it myself,knowing is not enough.

Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father do such a thing.
What is their to gain.

My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black abyss,and you return to the loving
bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return to the whole,like purifying gold.

There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my beautiful child.
You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just poured out,it was pure bliss.
I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a roulet wheel of people to experience.

Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling of even more than love,like there
was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand comming from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.

They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when you leave this plain.YES.

I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every fibre of my being,
as I was shown.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell…. so
they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee


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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:44:08 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

why are you suddenly innundating the list with attachments Randy? What’s going on?
With all the viruses going around these days, you can be sure that I at least am reading not a one of these posts you’re making, and I’d like to know what you are going on about what with you making so many of these posts.
Any chance you can hit “plain text” before you send your posts, to be sure that I and however many other paranoid types out there who are currently deleting unread your posts can then read them instead of deleting them?
Thanks kindly my friend, and I hope you are well and all. Merry christmas or whatever holiday you focus on, if any one solely. Who knows, perhaps you do kwanza AND christmas, or chanaka (sp?) and ramadan (which would give you an extra long holiday season, right? Put Thanksgiving right smack in between the two and you’ve got a few months of solid party. yeehaw.)

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Etc.

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot — PET scan Porn
Date: December 20, 2004 at 10:05:36 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

J.,

Wow, those were really cool!  We are more like the
amorphous blobs we evolved from millions of years ago
than we would care to acknowledge.

I thought PET scanning machines were only big enough
to capture the head…

Thanks for posting this link!

Love Julie

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (y…
Date: December 20, 2004 at 9:31:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The medical profession is not using ibogaine because it is not approved by
the FDA or ministries of health in countries other than the US.  When Deborah
Mash abandoned US studies that were approved by the FDA the possibility of
ibogaine as an approved medication in the US came to a halt.  While there may be
rare exceptions, doctors are only allowed by law to use approved medications.
There are also insurance and liability issues. Insurance will not cover
experimental therapies and should any patient suffer an adverse event the legal and
financial consequences for the doctor could be enormous.

Howard

In a message dated 12/20/04 5:07:03 AM, AbbotAngel@aol.com writes:

From what I have researched about Ibogaine is that from other peoples
experiences it is a miracle there is no other drug to compare it to.
Especially
for treating drug withdrawl and addiction..  Why are doctors not  using
it, i
have read that they have done experiments on humans, but should it  not
be the
case where the medical profession use this drug as soon as possible  it
has to
be cheaper than perscriping methodone to people probably for the rest
of
their lives.  Or the Subutex is really expensive and in the uk you cant
buy it on
the streets.

I just dont understand why the medical profession are not raving about
this
miracle trearment is there a reason for this?????

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [ot] The Garden of the Soul – The Lion Garden
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:59:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry, for some reason that link doesn’t work properly.
If you cut and paste it into your browser you can listen to the track online.
I will repost the link when I sort out the problem.
Lee

Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi list,

Keeping on the off topic theme inspired by the Christmas season, I am posting a link to a song I have taken from my Xmas CD to family & friends.

When I have more space on my domain I will try and post more tracks for those into that kind of thing.

www.my-eboga.com/Vivaldi& Andante from Cto in 3 minor for 2 mandolins.MP3

This particular track is a wistful rendition of a Vivaldi composition. The rest of the tracks are a mixture of Flamenco fusion and one taken from Sacred Spirit, a Native American chant. This particular track I find a really beautiful track to repeat play in the background if you are in a particular kind of chill out mood such as reflecting after a mini-session.

I am also attaching an image taken from the Alhambra (Granada, Spain, where I live) of the Court of Lions. For me the state of peace is like entering the garden of your own soul where the clear waters flow.

Peace not War.

Lee

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [ot] The Garden of the Soul – The Lion Garden
Date: December 20, 2004 at 8:54:19 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi list,

Keeping on the off topic theme inspired by the Christmas season, I am posting a link to a song I have taken from my Xmas CD to family & friends.

When I have more space on my domain I will try and post more tracks for those into that kind of thing.

www.my-eboga.com/Vivaldi& Andante from Cto in 3 minor for 2 mandolins.MP3

This particular track is a wistful rendition of a Vivaldi composition. The rest of the tracks are a mixture of Flamenco fusion and one taken from Sacred Spirit, a Native American chant. This particular track I find a really beautiful track to repeat play in the background if you are in a particular kind of chill out mood such as reflecting after a mini-session.

I am also attaching an image taken from the Alhambra (Granada, Spain, where I live) of the Court of Lions. For me the state of peace is like entering the garden of your own soul where the clear waters flow.

Peace not War.

Lee

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} At last some answers!
Date: December 20, 2004 at 6:48:10 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi list,

I posted the question asking from where does George Bush find his inspiration in the bible. Well, I have good news for all of you. I think I have found the answer. Alleluia! Who said God doesn’t answer our questions. Now I just have to put some of this into practise and I’ll be right up there with the rest of the elite.

President Bush, I Need Some Advice Regarding God’s Laws And How Best To Follow Them

Dear President Bush:

11/26/04 “ICH” — Congratulations on your election victory and for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. As you said, “in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman.” I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18.22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

However, I do need some advice from you regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how best to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25.44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21.7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Leviticus15.19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord. (Leviticus 1.9) The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35.2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus11.10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Leviticus.21.20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus19.27. How should they die?

9. I know from Leviticus 11.6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean. May I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Leviticus 24.10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Leviticus 20.14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Yours truly,
An Inquiring Supporter

P.S. I look forward to your answers because there are a number of other issues that I’d like to get settled as soon as you’ve enlightened me on these … Thanks again.

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From: knowone knowwhere <kn0m0n3@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot — PET scan Porn
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:40:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Re-Elect Bush/Cheney 08 Or Else <reelectbushcheney2008@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:13:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (y…
Date: December 20, 2004 at 5:06:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard

From what I have researched about Ibogaine is that from other peoples experiences it is a miracle there is no other drug to compare it to.  Especially for treating drug withdrawl and addiction..  Why are doctors not using it, i have read that they have done experiments on humans, but should it not be the case where the medical profession use this drug as soon as possible it has to be cheaper than perscriping methodone to people probably for the rest of their lives.  Or the Subutex is really expensive and in the uk you cant buy it on the streets.

I just dont understand why the medical profession are not raving about this miracle trearment is there a reason for this?????

Love donna

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To All of You / meaning of USA, Europa and Christianity
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:56:21 AM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Friends,
I think there is no one in the list from middle east except me. So could you try to look USA and Europa from my point of view? What does it mean for us?

USA means military forces supported by CIA in my country made torture, killed all intellectuals and founded petrol companies by the force. Killed our nature, destroy forests… and so many more

CIA supported PKK to kill innocent Turkish and Kurdish peoples.

For third world USA=Torture. Not democracy or freedom.

Dou know Chirstian Missioners in the third world and what they do? (there is also very good people but they are very very few) They wanted from my people to change their religion by the force. Remember crusader and what they done for hundred years long.

Remember what Mr. Bush’s said; “We crusade to Iraq”

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:42:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

If this is true where are all the humans or do they not exist?????????????????

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:39:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen
Hi Im glad you are feelin well, and i hope your hair grows back.  When you had the ibo when you were trippy on it did sara talk to you about the black and white dog.  What i mean is does the ibo work because when you are in the trippy state whatever is suggested stays in your mind afterwards?? or is that how you feel????

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis
Date: December 20, 2004 at 4:08:06 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t mind me, I’m just a hick from Down Under, we don’t know nuffink here…
Lol
Kirk
PS who be kim ill sung?
OOooo I know who elvis is/was!!!
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Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 6:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron to Ron
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:22:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ronie baby,
How are you bro.
Thats about the reason I cut mine,now it feels so odd.

Yes,…I understand about the pain and hoplessness out there,
I didn’t realise you worked in it. Can you still give of
your energy,as depleted as you are.

You will make it, if you so choose.The Iboga/Ibogaine will give you that choice.
The choice is no longer tortured, for me, it has become clear cut. It is like the demon,
..negative energy,call it what you like,..has gone.My body still wants it, to be comfortable
and because that’s how shallow the choice is now,(emotionaly spiritually,I do not need it anymore)
it has become a first choice of,”not interested” (I am emotionaly lightened)
without being hassled by other voices inside me,.saying..just tonight,I havn’t had for a while,
“just a little one, or, ” ohh, I’ll just snort it”ect ect…and all that bullsh*t that echo’s after your first choice.

I am lighter now,I do not need it at a deep level.My body will heal.My body is healing.
Spirit of Iboga,…..The spirit of heroin/opiates has been extracted,if I use again I let her back in,
then he will cry for company again and naw at me at a soul level again.

I am strong.

Love Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron

hey jasen:
really enjoying your freedom and posts. i use to have way long hair when i had it, cut it to go to professional school.  decided i d/n want anyone to notice me , except a babe.  i now want to be everyman, so people c/n tell much or anything about me by the way  i look. when the shit goes down, people will be asking” wasn’t there someone else standing around”?  can’t remember what he   looked like.  my insides define my outsides and i use my out side apperance to get places i c/n go before. just one schmucks opinion. each to his own.  i strive to be a citizen if the world again and avoid those that keep me from it. i hope i make it.  i deal with 50 people day and few have cars or parents that care what happens to them,  many just want a good meal but our barbaric penal system gives them outrageous amts. of time and the circle will never be broken.  you are a lucky guy to have received what you did. my clients have babies just for ct.ordered child support b/c they d/n know how to work nor do they want to.  be cool with your freedom, i’m jealous. ron and post away bro.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 20, 2004 at 3:08:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

“A war of understanding,love and kindness,”  it’s like “a silent war against militarisme  “
You can’t name it a war.

I’m glad you are a live. keep up the good spirit.

Love,

Sara

Van: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Verzonden: zondag 19 december 2004 18:57
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East

A war of understanding,love and kindness,..yes..a message of who we truly are ,a rememberance.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: Ibogaine List
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East

Hi Everyone,

I thought these figures were interesting:

. Military spending: $319 billion
. Education: $77 billion
. Transportation: $55 billion
. Environment: $27 billion
. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
. Peace Corps: $277 million

2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.
When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.

I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from all the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free for all.

I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an interesting question.

Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find insane given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even then there will be a very high maintenance.

The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce. That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred. Yet, they could not wipe them out.

The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of death as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.

The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the might of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of struggle.

It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?

Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 20, 2004 at 1:24:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Faith, I hope your son is doing OK. The holidays can be rough for us addict/alcoholics. I’d like to see him posting here. Peace         Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:23:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 19, 2004 at 7:21:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Schmooly, is this a subjective opinion or can you make a graph of the results you have seen? It seems to me that anything that helps these people should be looked at. Tests should be done at established intervals to ascertain whether or not these effects stay or go away over time. Who is going to pay for it? Maybe Ms. Mash has some hard data on this and will let us know.                      Randy
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:48:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have seen data suggesting that immediately post IBO, Viral loads for Hep C and HIV go up slightly for a very short time. With in a month, there is a (anecdotal) 25-35% drop in hep -c viral loads. Is this the IBO or is it just so simple that not doing dope is healthier on the liver?

I do not believe IBO has any direct effect on T cell immunity (Viruses like HIV and Hep C). It appears that as we start to get clean eat and drink water, immunity gets better and that is reflected in the improved labs.

You cannot follow hep c severity by following liver functions. They just don’t corollate. You need ultra sensitive viral loads and they are expensive. Many people say “my virus is gone” cause their doc said it was now undetectable on the lab test. Well, the truth is it never goes away EVER. Most viral loads don’t measure below a certain level. Any HIV or hep patient should ask there doc for an ultra sensitive viral load by DNA or PCR with no minimum or maximum cutoffs.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:22:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 19, 2004 at 6:40:29 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boaz, I agree with you on the importance of this information and I wish I could give you something more substantial than a vague statement like that. Being in the US it is hard to get everyone on the same page because of the legalities of the situation. I think it would be a great idea to include viral loads, CDC counts and any other info pertaining to AIDS or Hep C in the screening process for a before and after type of comparison of the information. I wouldn’t think it would be too hard to get everyone to go along with that. I made the statement because it is all I have to go on at this point and I think this may be as important as the addiction interruption aspects of Ibogaine or maybe even more important. I think Howard would be quite willing to compile the info that could be obtained for a comparative study here in the US. Who wouldn’t that really cares? This new info might bring us out of the closet so to speak so that we don’t have to be vague anymore. I want to help anyway that I can.                       Randy
From: “boaz wachtel” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 18, 2004 at 3:53:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

Could you please be more specific then ” I have heard through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients”. Do you know anyone who can provide us with pre and post Ibogaine CD4 count and other measurements as well? if we  can find positive data I don’t have to tell you that it could turn out to be super important data at this point.
Besides Randy – can those with HIV or Hep C treated with Ibogaine provide us with the pre and post HIV related results and liver count data and send it to Howard and self?
we are working here in Israel with couple of HIV doctors who will be willing to help with data analysis etc.

All the best

Boaz Wachtel
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 3:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV

Howard, does this mean that Ibogaine would have that effect too? I have heard through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients. It seems like it helps people with Hep C too. I told my liver Doc that if he really wanted to have good stats on his treatment protocol he would treat all his addicts with Hep C with Ibogaine after the Interferon treatment is over. Maybe even before. I mean probably half the people being treated for Hep C are addict/alcoholics. If I was a Doc I would think that their addiction should be addressed along with the Hep C.                 Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis
Date: December 20, 2004 at 12:20:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] Kirsty and Kim IL Sung and Elvis
Date: December 19, 2004 at 6:57:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirsty, I made that statement about Kim IL sung because I saw where some of his cronies got busted trying to cop dope in Turkey. It has been reported in the media that he may be abusing (abusing, shooting, popping, snorting and sticking it in his ass) drugs but hey, he’s into Elvis so why not? Elvis rules. Long may he nod. Where ever he is.            Randy
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:47:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’d love to treat Bush with cyanide to be honest, but that wouldn’t be the way of love to all now would it?
Lol
Kirk
From: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 2:03 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush

Dear Randy,
Do you think we could treat Bush with Iboga? Because He has Nukes and army also. He is killing inocent people all around the world for money more than Kim IL Sung does.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung

Donna, if your treatment is 600 pounds British, what would that be in American dollars? I am intrigued with the thought of someone from Prague being on the same page as us. Ibogaine is a miracle and it is spreading world wide. We need to get some to North Korea and treat Kim IL Sung. What a freak. He would fit right in. I can see the headlines now. ” Communist leader has Ibogaine treatment and dismantles all his nukes and makes bong pipes out of them. Proclaims love for the world.”          Randy

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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen belief systems
Date: December 19, 2004 at 11:58:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen !
I am amazed by your spiritual awakening, You are resuming in your E-Mail
must of the teaching of the great Masters.
Ibogaine is definitively an incredible plant !! Keep your faith alive!!. You
know, I think if Jesus had to come back, he will be right with the forgotten
tribe : the suffering addicts. He will be in the street helping the hopeless
and helpless people. Certainly he will not follow the secular rules but only
what he had in his heart..

The meaning of : Christ : The anointed

What is the definition of anointed :
The act of anointing was significant of consecration to a holy or sacred
use. A ” christ “-ian . Should be exactly that : consecrate to a holy use
and what’s must holy then to help .? it’s a serious responsability , an act
of Faith, a battle of everyday.

God bless
Francis
By the way ( IMO ) i believe that you are kind of bless and in reading yours
E-mail I can see a strong change in You for the better.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hey Kirsty

There is no hell,as you probably already know.
Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
I understand that this is hard to swallow
I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
to politics and not Lee.

Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.

If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a
thing)Non sinners.
He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly
are,..all
of us.
The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.

No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the
Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
and many other masters that have walked the earth.
Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who
could see who we all were.

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it
myself,knowing is not enough.

Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father
do such a thing.
What is their to gain.

My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black
abyss,and you return to the loving
bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return
to
the whole,like purifying gold.

There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my
beautiful
child.
You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just
poured out,it was pure bliss.
I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a
roulet wheel of people to experience.

Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling
of even more than love,like there
was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than
love)It
was like breathing steam onto a mirror
Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand
comming
from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.

They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when
you leave this plain.YES.

I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every
fibre of my being,
as I was shown.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make
things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell….
so
they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to
know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his
deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
too?

Lee


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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 19, 2004 at 11:13:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sure that’s not the way “they” see it at all…..and hating them only
leads to alienation from both sides, so we miss the chance to learn from one
another.
Ah well, tis a long road
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

How’s the classic song go, “killing for Jesus?” Who sang that, the Dead
Milkmen? Circle Jerks? Who was that again?
I refuse to even write her name, that name that’s perfect for a Bush
supporter, but you know who I mean I’m sure, but in my opinion she is one of

those disgusting (to my way to looking at life anyway) people who think
killing and bombing other people will bring them and those they care about
peace. She is exactly the reason, she and her ilk, that there is so much
suffering, hate and fear on this planet.
Oh shit, I wasn’t going to do this, but I can’t resist, I’m so tired and

disgusted by this person and her support of murderous criminals. I guess my
views are taking those living into account before the unborn, who that
person who I won’t name I’d be willing to bet couldn’t care less about once
born- other than as bombing targets and cannon fodder. I bet she doesn’t
support universal health care. I could be wrong, but I bet not.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

Faith,

God, won’t you just stop all this nonsense…why are
you here?  You don’t support anyone, you don’t add
anything original to this list…all you do is flame
and post pro-life, judgmental propoganda.

I, for one, am getting exceedingly tired of you
crawling out from under your sanctimonious rock from
time to time, only to post things that virtually no
one on this list agrees with.  Why don’t you join the
pro-life, pro-Bush, pro-Republican forums, where you
will find like minded individuals with whom you can
have all manners of conversations about the rest of us
being filthy heathens, sinners, and the like…

Seeing as though you are one of God’s chosen few,
annointed from on high to cast judgment upon every
other person, perhaps you should redirect your energy
upon improving yourself, instead of picking other
people apart…

Instead of fighting against the current, why not go
with the flow???

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 19, 2004 at 11:11:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eggzackitilly, Jasen, me man, all that stuff is apparently part of what we
are here to learn about, duality, black n white, good n bad, etc etc and
once we can see that, the world becomes an amazing place, cos when there IS
no right or wrong, who do we have to judge?
I am a member of a religious organisation, which you may want to join (not
really lol) it’s called ONPROROS, which simply stands for OF NO PARTICULAR
RELIGION, RACE OR SPECIES!!!
A Buddhist woman asked me what religion I was with at  a general religions
get together, when I said that she looked shocked and went off to chat to
someone else! Lol
So yeh, I get cha!
Kirk :o)
Love light n laughter (laughter is the language of the angels)

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:08 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Hey Kirsty

There is no hell,as you probably already know.
Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
I understand that this is hard to swallow
I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
to politics and not Lee.

Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.

If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a
thing)Non sinners.
He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly are,..all

of us.
The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.

No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the
Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
and many other masters that have walked the earth.
Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who
could see who we all were.

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it
myself,knowing is not enough.

Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father
do such a thing.
What is their to gain.

My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black
abyss,and you return to the loving
bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return to

the whole,like purifying gold.

There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my beautiful

child.
You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just
poured out,it was pure bliss.
I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a
roulet wheel of people to experience.

Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling
of even more than love,like there
was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than love)It

was like breathing steam onto a mirror
Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand comming

from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.

They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when
you leave this plain.YES.

I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every
fibre of my being,
as I was shown.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make
things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell….
so
they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
too?

Lee


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From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Faith The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 10:32:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Faith !
I am reading a book writted by  Jimmy Carter . I think is  talking about you
because the title is ” Living Faith ”
Anyway on page 117 he wrote something you should realy appreciate as a
Christian :

” Civil disobedience is in order when human laws are contrary to God’s
commands to us. Jesus went to his death and Paul spent his final years in
prison rather than conform to religious and secular laws wich they could not
accept. ”
snip> snip> I realy like this one 🙂

“We are not required to submit  to the domination of authority
without assessing whether it is contrary to our faith or our beliefs ”

God bless
Francis
“You shall love your God and your neigbhor as yourself” is that make sens
?/!

—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East

It’s a spirit of peace-having the moxie to go after the real evil and the
pursuit of a higher good.  You didn’t say anything about the millions of
innocent lives that are taken each year (legally) by the person who they
would’ve thought wouldve died to protect them when they’ve done nothing to
deserve death.
From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:59:31 +0000 (GMT)

Hi Everyone,

I thought these figures were interesting:

. Military spending: $319 billion
. Education: $77 billion
. Transportation: $55 billion
. Environment: $27 billion
. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
. Peace Corps: $277 million

2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.

When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are
dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.

I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from
all
the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free
for all.

I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney &
Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an
interesting
question.

Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the
background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find
insane
given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even
then
there will be a very high maintenance.

The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce.
That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of
maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred.
Yet, they could not wipe them out.

The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of
death
as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.

The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the
might
of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the
world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of
struggle.

It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to
know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?

Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
too?

Lee

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 19, 2004 at 10:12:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How’s the classic song go, “killing for Jesus?” Who sang that, the Dead Milkmen? Circle Jerks? Who was that again?
I refuse to even write her name, that name that’s perfect for a Bush supporter, but you know who I mean I’m sure, but in my opinion she is one of those disgusting (to my way to looking at life anyway) people who think killing and bombing other people will bring them and those they care about peace. She is exactly the reason, she and her ilk, that there is so much suffering, hate and fear on this planet.
Oh shit, I wasn’t going to do this, but I can’t resist, I’m so tired and disgusted by this person and her support of murderous criminals. I guess my views are taking those living into account before the unborn, who that person who I won’t name I’d be willing to bet couldn’t care less about once born- other than as bombing targets and cannon fodder. I bet she doesn’t support universal health care. I could be wrong, but I bet not.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith

Faith,

God, won’t you just stop all this nonsense…why are
you here?  You don’t support anyone, you don’t add
anything original to this list…all you do is flame
and post pro-life, judgmental propoganda.

I, for one, am getting exceedingly tired of you
crawling out from under your sanctimonious rock from
time to time, only to post things that virtually no
one on this list agrees with.  Why don’t you join the
pro-life, pro-Bush, pro-Republican forums, where you
will find like minded individuals with whom you can
have all manners of conversations about the rest of us
being filthy heathens, sinners, and the like…

Seeing as though you are one of God’s chosen few,
annointed from on high to cast judgment upon every
other person, perhaps you should redirect your energy
upon improving yourself, instead of picking other
people apart…

Instead of fighting against the current, why not go
with the flow???

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 19, 2004 at 10:08:09 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Kirsty

There is no hell,as you probably already know.
Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
I understand that this is hard to swallow
I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
to politics and not Lee.

Politics and most pharm’ companies make me angry too.
I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.

If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a thing)Non sinners.
He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see’s who we truly are,..all of us.
The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.

No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the Buddha,Krishna,Baha’u’lla’h Muhammad,Jesus
and many other masters that have walked the earth.
Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who could see who we all were.

In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be human.Humans…Being.
We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.

I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it myself,knowing is not enough.

Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father do such a thing.
What is their to gain.

My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black abyss,and you return to the loving
bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return to the whole,like purifying gold.

There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my beautiful child.
You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just poured out,it was pure bliss.
I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a roulet wheel of people to experience.

Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling of even more than love,like there
was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand comming from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.

They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when you leave this plain.YES.

I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every fibre of my being,
as I was shown.
Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell…. so
they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee


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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)
Date: December 19, 2004 at 9:03:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I had a few close calls a few years ago in the first weeks of
Paxil: in each case failed to observe a vehicle in plain site
moving on side street toward intersection. Fortunately my
peripheral vision was good enough to spot the unexpected cars in
time as I pulled out. A friend had similar experiences on Paxil and
had accidents. Like Jasen, a gap in consciousness in connection
with a drug that raises serotonin levels.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:05:29 -0800 Jasen Chamoun
<JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey Howard,
I was driving along,wide awake,maybe three minutes from home,
then simply woke up on the other side of the road hitting cars,it
was crazy,
it was sort of shocking,..and almost….I dare say,fun in a
way,pretty
morbid ay,
it was as if I knew I had to go through this,whilst it was
happening.The
time between
being fully alert and hitting other cars was maybe 5 seconds.

I was really ok with it,I knew the severity of it,losing my little

truck,my
beach baby,
Gee,.. missing the beach already,hitting the other
cars,inconveniencing
people,it was weird,
like I was being told this is nothing compared to the big picture.

Sara did warn me when I wanted to drive her car.
Howard,..I was tired but not sleepy,my body was tired and my mind
alert,it
was like I was
turned off for 5 seconds,like I needed the big wack,corny,..yes a
little,but
that is just
how it was,everything was so smooth,I can’t find the words.In the
back of my
mind,..far back,
I am thinking ,..she*t,I don’t have a car now I have to pay off
the other
cars,but I am ok with it,
it doesn’t matter my being says,everything is smooth.

I have not experienced a micro sleep in a car before.
When I was at Sara’s,I was talking to this great girl called Zoe
then all of a sudden she laughs, I look at her confused, she
said,”you just
went into a deep sleep,
then woke up and started talking again,I had no memory of the
sleep.

I am more than happy to answer any other questions Howard.

Love Jasen.  Listening to Led
Zepplin.(loved them
when I was a teenager)
—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re:
[Ibogaine] To
Jasen (yes you are right)

As more and more people are treated with ibogaine a greater
diversity of
effects will be seen.  This is normal to all drugs.

Ibogaine Consent Forms should be changed to include a paragraph
on
operating
machinery or automobiles similar to the warning on package
inserts for
sedatives, hypnotics or narcotics.  I haven’t reviewed warning
for
antidepressants
and other psychoactive drugs but, will do so as soon as I get a
chance.
Suggest
ibogaine providers do the same.

That being said, we have two distinct descriptions of auto
accidents.  One
involves reflexes and the other involves either falling asleep
or losing
consciousness.

I would appreciate it if both Jasen and fakeplacebo would give
as detailed
a
description as possible of the effects they experienced that
caused the
accidents.  Please be as detailed as possible.  In Jasen’s case
has this
ever happen
to you before?  Were you tired?  Could you tell you were tired?

As I said
the more detail the better.  You can write me via personal email

if you
feel mo
re comfortable in doing that.

To fakeplacebo. Were you distracted mentally or was it a matter
of
misjudging.

Thanks guys.

Howard

In a message dated 12/18/04 6:28:05 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com
writes:

<< Dear Jasen,

That’s right. I never made car crash before Iboga. But when I
started to
feel
as strong enough as I can drive; (It was 15 days later after
Iboga) when I
started to ride my car I made many mistakes and two times
crashed car.
(was not
big deal) but yeah Iboga highly effected to my reflexes with the

negative
way.

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–

From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Dear Hannah,

I still cannot believe it.

Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to
Holand,

thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it
I was wide
awake,

I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just
turned me
off
for 10 seconds.

I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming
at me
swerving,then I hit

one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car

off,and
side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and
hey guess
what,..I could say

no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have
Iboga/Ibogaine,that you
dont
drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to
deal with it
straight.

There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black
dog,and it is a
vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)

I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is
weakening,he is a
savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.

This is my last test.

I am succedingI am strong.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–

From: Hannah Clay

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad
everyone was
fine.
Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like
you say,
YOU’RE
STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah

—– Original Message —–

From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.

Well I almost just went home permanatley

I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst
driving,

this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting
one car on
the
other side of the road

then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily

not a
scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.

love Jasen. >>

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From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems
Date: December 19, 2004 at 8:13:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin’ and he’s gonna make things
a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell…. so
they don’t really care what they do….they’ll be looked after come
Judgement day.
Oh joyyyyyy.
Kirsty

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know
where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee


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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East- Faith
Date: December 19, 2004 at 4:27:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,

God, won’t you just stop all this nonsense…why are
you here?  You don’t support anyone, you don’t add
anything original to this list…all you do is flame
and post pro-life, judgmental propoganda.

I, for one, am getting exceedingly tired of you
crawling out from under your sanctimonious rock from
time to time, only to post things that virtually no
one on this list agrees with.  Why don’t you join the
pro-life, pro-Bush, pro-Republican forums, where you
will find like minded individuals with whom you can
have all manners of conversations about the rest of us
being filthy heathens, sinners, and the like…

Seeing as though you are one of God’s chosen few,
annointed from on high to cast judgment upon every
other person, perhaps you should redirect your energy
upon improving yourself, instead of picking other
people apart…

Instead of fighting against the current, why not go
with the flow???

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 3:02:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,

I understand you very well Faith and I admire your tenacity to stand by your beliefs. But the facts are the world is full of dictators who starve and abuse their people but the only countries the US are invading are those which are oil rich and if you look at the behaviour of the soldiers towards civilians, its barbaric. (Check out Zimbabwe/Sudan/Haiti/…)

Can you honestly tell me that these are acts of God? Thats what the suicide bombers all say. The Jesus I know (and I say this methaphorically) would never pass months on end shooting off rounds of bullets. Its truely absurd and ultimately pointless and destructive – can you not see that?

Is the overall good being served when we are starting a world war and the planet is dying for lack of environental care and billions are dying for lack of basic necessities?

The end does not justify the means.

¿¿¿Does it???

Lee

Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

It’s a spirit of peace-having the moxie to go after the real evil and the
pursuit of a higher good. You didn’t say anything about the millions of
innocent lives that are taken each year (legally) by the person who they
would’ve thought wouldve died to protect them when they’ve done nothing to
deserve death.
>From: Lee Albert
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: Ibogaine List
>Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:59:31 +0000 (GMT)
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
>I thought these figures were interesting:
>
>
>
>. Military spending: $319 billion
>. Education: $77 billion
>. Transportation: $55 billion
>. Environment: $27 billion
>. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
>. Peace Corps: $277 million
>
>
>
>2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.
>
>
>When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are
>dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.
>
>
>
>I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from all
>the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free
>for all.
>
>
>
>I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney &
>Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an interesting
>question.
>
>
>
>Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the
>background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find insane
>given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even then
>there will be a very high maintenance.
>
>
>
>The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce.
>That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of
>maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred.
>Yet, they could not wipe them out.
>
>
>
>The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of death
>as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.
>
>
>
>The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the might
>of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the
>world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of
>struggle.
>
>
>
>It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.
>
>
>
>The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know
>where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
>held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
>
>
>
>Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
>think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?
>
>
>
>Lee
>
>
>
>http://www.my-eboga.com
>
>Free copies of Amazing Grace by Lee Albert for members of the media
>available here:
>
>www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 2:11:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s a spirit of peace-having the moxie to go after the real evil and the pursuit of a higher good.  You didn’t say anything about the millions of innocent lives that are taken each year (legally) by the person who they would’ve thought wouldve died to protect them when they’ve done nothing to deserve death.
From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:59:31 +0000 (GMT)

Hi Everyone,

I thought these figures were interesting:

. Military spending: $319 billion
. Education: $77 billion
. Transportation: $55 billion
. Environment: $27 billion
. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
. Peace Corps: $277 million

2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.

When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.

I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from all the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free for all.

I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an interesting question.

Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find insane given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even then there will be a very high maintenance.

The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce. That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred. Yet, they could not wipe them out.

The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of death as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.

The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the might of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of struggle.

It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?

Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Netw3rK
Date: December 19, 2004 at 1:31:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Patrick, that was hysterical. Their version is only a little
different 😉 I don’t understand most of it except their company news
highlights are all court proceedings 🙂

I don’t pretend to understand most of any of this. Companies are buying
each others lawsuits and that’s a asset now? 🙂

.:vector:.

http://above.net/investors/index.html

AboveNet, Inc. (ABVT)
Company Highlights

AboveNet, Inc. Announces Distributions on Claims of Certain Creditors

AboveNet, Inc. Emerges From Chapter 11 Bankruptcy with New Financial
Backing, Strong Cash Position and Low Debt

Court Confirms AboveNet Plan of Reorganization

MFN’s Disclosure Statement Receives Court Approval and Committee
Support; McCaw Purchases Significant Claims and Commits to Rights
Offering

MFNX Stockholder Q&A

More News and Press

About AboveNet

In the wake of the turmoil that struck the telecommunications and
Internet industries, there are very few of the old names  left. Many
got swept away and others merged into larger corporations. There are
very few survivors and AboveNet is one of the strongest.

After a difficult reorganization process, AboveNet has emerged  as a
financially solid, operationally streamlined company with  a tremendous
set of unmatched assets. AboveNet continues to maintain  its
metropolitan fiber network, IP network, 6 data centers throughout  the
United States and its managed services capabilities. This  foundation
allows AboveNet to emerge with a foundation that it  can leverage to
create new, comprehensive bundled packages that  will meet real
customer needs. It also allows the company to  be adaptive as the
environment changes. AboveNet is strong, stable  and well-positioned
for the new market.

Building the new company was a series of tough decisions and hard-won
successes. Below is an outline of highlights from the past 15 months.

Customer Highlights:

AboveNet signed many new customers in its 15 months in Chapter 11. This
does not include additional services purchased  by existing  customers.

Customers signed during bankruptcy include Xerox, New  York Mercantile
Exchange, Liz Claiborne, Municenter, Pumatech and Real Networks.
Strong.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

Mail to the lists should be working, albeit at crawling through
quicksand speeds in some cases.  Our upstream provider — Above.net

is experiencing a DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service Attack), which

started sometime last night.

There isn’t anything we can do about this at the moment, it’s
sumthin’
above.net needs to work out, and presumably the Big Room of People
Running Around in Little Circles strapped with Bandoliers of
Cellphones
all of which are Ringing All At Once, while Smoke Comes out of their

Earz (i.e., their NOC) … is very busy doin’ sumthin’ or another…

AchtunG Babyyyy, mo’ bettah’ fastah noW!@#!!!!

Connectivity has spend up during the last 12 hours, presumably
they’ll
sort it all out Real SooN Now … actually, they probably will.
Above.net isn’t Bob & Ed’s Hi-sp33d InterneT service; it’s yet
another
company which faw down, go boom, hurt itself, during dot.bomb, after

eating 800 other companies, and discovering it couldn’t digest all
that.  “Wait a minute, we’re supposed to MAKE money!??!?!  That’s
old-skool!  We just need 5 trillion more in funding and everything
will
be Just Fine!”

It has a happy ending though, because Our Government, bailed them all

out, “Sorry, it doesn’t matter how many billyunz went <PooF> you
aren’t
allowed to go bankrupt.  You go bankrupt, and 1/3rds of the world’s
backbone goes dark.  We can’t have that.  Here, have summore
m0n3y!@#!!
No prison terms for joO!  Just, like, spank yourselves and say
you’re
very Very, AwfuLlY sorry about all all those Bad Things that may or
may
not have happened.”

Summary: Everything should be back to abnormal Real Soon Now.

Cool.  I love happy endings.

Patrick

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 1:13:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You guys have already started it.

Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East

A war of understanding,love and kindness,..yes..a message of who we truly are ,a rememberance.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: Ibogaine List
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:59 PM

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on? Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 12:56:50 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A war of understanding,love and kindness,..yes..a message of who we truly are ,a rememberance.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: Ibogaine List
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East

Hi Everyone,

I thought these figures were interesting:

. Military spending: $319 billion
. Education: $77 billion
. Transportation: $55 billion
. Environment: $27 billion
. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
. Peace Corps: $277 million

2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.
When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.

I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from all the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free for all.

I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an interesting question.

Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find insane given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even then there will be a very high maintenance.

The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce. That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred. Yet, they could not wipe them out.

The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of death as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.

The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the might of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of struggle.

It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?

Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee

http://www.my-eboga.com

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From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Netw3rK
Date: December 19, 2004 at 12:44:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mail to the lists should be working, albeit at crawling through quicksand speeds in some cases.  Our upstream provider — Above.net — is experiencing a DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service Attack), which started sometime last night.

There isn’t anything we can do about this at the moment, it’s sumthin’ above.net needs to work out, and presumably the Big Room of People Running Around in Little Circles strapped with Bandoliers of Cellphones all of which are Ringing All At Once, while Smoke Comes out of their Earz (i.e., their NOC) … is very busy doin’ sumthin’ or another…  AchtunG Babyyyy, mo’ bettah’ fastah noW!@#!!!!

Connectivity has spend up during the last 12 hours, presumably they’ll sort it all out Real SooN Now … actually, they probably will.  Above.net isn’t Bob & Ed’s Hi-sp33d InterneT service; it’s yet another company which faw down, go boom, hurt itself, during dot.bomb, after eating 800 other companies, and discovering it couldn’t digest all that.  “Wait a minute, we’re supposed to MAKE money!??!?!  That’s old-skool!  We just need 5 trillion more in funding and everything will be Just Fine!”

It has a happy ending though, because Our Government, bailed them all out, “Sorry, it doesn’t matter how many billyunz went <PooF> you aren’t allowed to go bankrupt.  You go bankrupt, and 1/3rds of the world’s backbone goes dark.  We can’t have that.  Here, have summore m0n3y!@#!!  No prison terms for joO!  Just, like, spank yourselves and say you’re very Very, AwfuLlY sorry about all all those Bad Things that may or may not have happened.”

Summary: Everything should be back to abnormal Real Soon Now.

Cool.  I love happy endings.

Patrick

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} The Middle East
Date: December 19, 2004 at 6:59:31 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Everyone,

I thought these figures were interesting:

. Military spending: $319 billion
. Education: $77 billion
. Transportation: $55 billion
. Environment: $27 billion
. HIV/AIDS: $14.7 billion
. Peace Corps: $277 million

2002 checkbook courtesy of the Office of Management and Budget.
When the sea tides start to rise over the land and the first nukes are dropped, we wont have to look far to understand why.

I remember growing up fearing nuclear war and the relief that came from all the treaties that were made to limit arms. Now we live in a nuclear free for all.

I wonder what kind of group spirit drives people like Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld? Where does this spirit come from? That I think is an interesting question.

Whatever it is its clearly psychotic as they are now talking in the background of regime change in Iran and possible Syria. This I find insane given that the best they can hope for in Iraq is not to lose and even then there will be a very high maintenance.

The IRA fought the British government for 30 years and ended in a truce. That was all of the might of the British army concentrated in an area of maybe 6,000 sq miles. The no’s of IRA were small – a couple of hundred. Yet, they could not wipe them out.

The middle east on the other hand is filled with people who think of death as a reward and is humungous compared to Northern Ireland.

The Palestinians are living in an equally small plot of land and the might of the Israeli army – perhaps the best equipped, outside the US, in the world, has failed to make any significant progress after 50 years of struggle.

It takes a major tragedy to end major madness.

The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to know where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?

Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war too?

Lee

http://www.my-eboga.com

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE:from ron
Date: December 19, 2004 at 12:49:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey jasen:
really enjoying your freedom and posts. i use to have way long hair when i had it, cut it to go to professional school.  decided i d/n want anyone to notice me , except a babe.  i now want to be everyman, so people c/n tell much or anything about me by the way  i look. when the shit goes down, people will be asking” wasn’t there someone else standing around”?  can’t remember what he   looked like.  my insides define my outsides and i use my out side apperance to get places i c/n go before. just one schmucks opinion. each to his own.  i strive to be a citizen if the world again and avoid those that keep me from it. i hope i make it.  i deal with 50 people  day and few have cars or parents that care what happens to them,  many just want a good meal but our barbaric penal system gives them outrageous amts. of time and the circle will never be broken.  you are a lucky guy to have received what you did. my clients have babies just for ct.ordered child support b/c they d/n know how to work nor do they want to.  be cool with your freedom, i’m jealous. ron and post away bro.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 19, 2004 at 11:31:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

I have seen data suggesting that immediately post IBO, Viral loads for Hep C and HIV go up slightly for a very short time. With in a month, there is a (anecdotal) 25-35% drop in hep -c viral loads. Is this the IBO or is it just so simple that not doing dope is healthier on the liver?

** I would dearly love to see this data you are referring to?  How were the numbers 25-35% arrived at if the info is only of the “anecdotal” variety?  Somebody must
have measured something somewhere?

I do not believe IBO has any direct effect on T cell immunity (Viruses like HIV and Hep C). It appears that as we start to get clean eat and drink water, immunity gets better and that is reflected in the improved labs.

** Is there data somewhere that backs this up (I hopef)?

You cannot follow hep c severity by following liver functions. They just don’t corollate. You need ultra sensitive viral loads and they are expensive. Many people say “my virus is gone” cause their doc said it was now undetectable on the lab test. Well, the truth is it never goes away EVER. Most viral loads don’t measure below a certain level. Any HIV or hep patient should ask there doc for an ultra sensitive viral load by DNA or PCR with no minimum or maximum cutoffs.

** We know someone who was told (by an MD) that HE HAS HAD Hep C revealed by anti-bodies to this virus.  Is this not a way to measure or detect it?

Respectfully,

ann
think@francomm.com
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jeff.
Date: December 19, 2004 at 12:20:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jeff,
Should only take me a couple of years to grow,I have had long hair all my life even as a small child
at school,the wild child,some teachers hated me and some loved me,my hair grows very quick.

Now the veil of the Methadone is gone I feel bare with out my hair,..Hey that rhymes,
laughing,…It’s like this is not fully me,I am coming out of my cocoon,my weight is dropping my muscles are lifting my walk is changing,
my heart is frolicking,the way I talk is better,my mind is clearer,people look at me differently,I have no craving for heroin,not emotionally,
physically maybe,but that is just my bodies memory of how to feel good quickly,emotionally I do not need it any more,most of the pain
is gone,the type of pain we all experience in life.

I know the physical will / is healing.Most of the emotional is healed I don’t need the anaesthetic any  more,life seems so much easier.
I do not need a crutch anymore the weight has been lifted.

How long has it been for you Jeff and when did you start feeling better?
It is day 33 for me,still weak but swimming in the mornings for 25 mins(all I can handle)
Life is wonderful. I can still feel the extraction of the methadone,still being grounded.

Forcing myself to do excersise,well my sister is anyway,..she is so beautiful.
I feel strong but weak if that makes sense. I am strong.

Love Jasen.

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)
Date: December 18, 2004 at 11:57:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

GLAD YOU D/N HURT ANYONE OR YOURSELF.  TAKE CARE, RON
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)

Hey Howard,
I was driving along,wide awake,maybe three minutes from home,
then simply woke up on the other side of the road hitting cars,it was crazy,
it was sort of shocking,..and almost….I dare say,fun in a way,pretty morbid ay,
it was as if I knew I had to go through this,whilst it was happening.The time between
being fully alert and hitting other cars was maybe 5 seconds.

I was really ok with it,I knew the severity of it,losing my little truck,my beach baby,
Gee,.. missing the beach already,hitting the other cars,inconveniencing people,it was weird,
like I was being told this is nothing compared to the big picture.

Sara did warn me when I wanted to drive her car.
Howard,..I was tired but not sleepy,my body was tired and my mind alert,it was like I was
turned off for 5 seconds,like I needed the big wack,corny,..yes a little,but that is just
how it was,everything was so smooth,I can’t find the words.In the back of my mind,..far back,
I am thinking ,..she*t,I don’t have a car now I have to pay off the other cars,but I am ok with it,
it doesn’t matter my being says,everything is smooth.

I have not experienced a micro sleep in a car before.
When I was at Sara’s,I was talking to this great girl called Zoe
then all of a sudden she laughs, I look at her confused, she said,”you just went into a deep sleep,
then woke up and started talking again,I had no memory of the sleep.

I am more than happy to answer any other questions Howard.

Love Jasen.  Listening to Led Zepplin.(loved them when I was a teenager)
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)

As more and more people are treated with ibogaine a greater diversity of
effects will be seen.  This is normal to all drugs.

Ibogaine Consent Forms should be changed to include a paragraph on operating
machinery or automobiles similar to the warning on package inserts for
sedatives, hypnotics or narcotics.  I haven’t reviewed warning for antidepressants
and other psychoactive drugs but, will do so as soon as I get a chance. Suggest
ibogaine providers do the same.

That being said, we have two distinct descriptions of auto accidents. One
involves reflexes and the other involves either falling asleep or losing
consciousness.

I would appreciate it if both Jasen and fakeplacebo would give as detailed a
description as possible of the effects they experienced that caused the
accidents.  Please be as detailed as possible.  In Jasen’s case has this ever happen
to you before?  Were you tired?  Could you tell you were tired?  As I said
the more detail the better.  You can write me via personal email if you feel mo
re comfortable in doing that.

To fakeplacebo. Were you distracted mentally or was it a matter of
misjudging.

Thanks guys.

Howard

In a message dated 12/18/04 6:28:05 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:

<< Dear Jasen,

That’s right. I never made car crash before Iboga. But when I started to feel
as strong enough as I can drive; (It was 15 days later after Iboga) when I
started to ride my car I made many mistakes and two times crashed car. (was not
big deal) but yeah Iboga highly effected to my reflexes with the negative way.

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Dear Hannah,

I still cannot believe it.

Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,

thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I was wide
awake,

I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just turned me off
for 10 seconds.

I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at me
swerving,then I hit

one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car off,and
side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey guess
what,..I could say

no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that you dont
drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal with it
straight.

There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and it is a
vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)

I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he is a
savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.

This is my last test.

I am succedingI am strong.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.
Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE
STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.

Well I almost just went home permanatley

I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,

this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the
other side of the road

then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a
scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.

love Jasen. >>

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 11:55:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

COOL MAN, THANKS THE BATTLE IS HARD AT MY AGE OR ANY AGE AND THE STAKES ARE HIGHER, ALTHOUGH UNTREATED ADDICTION CAN GIVE YOU SOME SURPRISES YOU NEVER IN YOUR WILDEST
DREAMS WERE POSSIBLE. GOOD LOOK WITH YOUR RECOVERY AND BE THANK FUL YOU HAD CASH AND A COMPUTER.  MOST OLD JUNKIES I KNOW HAVE NO TEETH AND ARE DOING LONG SENTENCES. EMBRACE YOUR SOBRIETY AND GUARD IT WITH YOUR LIFE OR IT’LL KILL YOU OR MAKE YOU WISH YOU WERE DEAD. MOST ADDICTS I REPRESENT HAVE NOTHING, ZERO, NO COMPUTERS AND NO WAY OUT. BACK TOYOU BRO.
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron

I love ya Ron.
You will have honey in your heart again.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron

i’m putting my faith in another b/c after 54 yrs. i still can’t get it right. i consider myself lucky to have the chance. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: FakePlacebo
To: Summary
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron

Dear Ron,
Be strong. Don’t let the this moment to cheat you. I’m sure you’ll live much better days.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen
Date: December 18, 2004 at 11:52:45 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,

If I can come,believe me I will,
This is going to be an exciting year(next year),
I am excited now.  I don’t know,…these drivers.
Love Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen

>Hey!,.. if thats the case, then all those other cars were going the wrong >way,you beauty.  If only.<

Of COURSE everyone ELSE was going the wrong way Jasen, isn’t that almost always the case?
;0-))
Next book release party (next Fall/Winter?) you can plan on coming to NYC, right?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 18, 2004 at 11:06:55 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When I win I will to.

Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna

Hi Hannah

I am so pleased you feel better, your ex obviously still cares for you and people that judge you just because of this shit are not worth knowing they just dont know any better and they should not judge you.  Thats great keeping your habit so low i wish i could maybe if you win the lottery you can do the ibo and hey if i win i will pay take care of yourself

love donna

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)
Date: December 18, 2004 at 11:05:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Howard,
I was driving along,wide awake,maybe three minutes from home,
then simply woke up on the other side of the road hitting cars,it was crazy,
it was sort of shocking,..and almost….I dare say,fun in a way,pretty morbid ay,
it was as if I knew I had to go through this,whilst it was happening.The time between
being fully alert and hitting other cars was maybe 5 seconds.

I was really ok with it,I knew the severity of it,losing my little truck,my beach baby,
Gee,.. missing the beach already,hitting the other cars,inconveniencing people,it was weird,
like I was being told this is nothing compared to the big picture.

Sara did warn me when I wanted to drive her car.
Howard,..I was tired but not sleepy,my body was tired and my mind alert,it was like I was
turned off for 5 seconds,like I needed the big wack,corny,..yes a little,but that is just
how it was,everything was so smooth,I can’t find the words.In the back of my mind,..far back,
I am thinking ,..she*t,I don’t have a car now I have to pay off the other cars,but I am ok with it,
it doesn’t matter my being says,everything is smooth.

I have not experienced a micro sleep in a car before.
When I was at Sara’s,I was talking to this great girl called Zoe
then all of a sudden she laughs, I look at her confused, she said,”you just went into a deep sleep,
then woke up and started talking again,I had no memory of the sleep.

I am more than happy to answer any other questions Howard.

Love Jasen.  Listening to Led Zepplin.(loved them when I was a teenager)
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)

As more and more people are treated with ibogaine a greater diversity of
effects will be seen.  This is normal to all drugs.

Ibogaine Consent Forms should be changed to include a paragraph on operating
machinery or automobiles similar to the warning on package inserts for
sedatives, hypnotics or narcotics.  I haven’t reviewed warning for antidepressants
and other psychoactive drugs but, will do so as soon as I get a chance. Suggest
ibogaine providers do the same.

That being said, we have two distinct descriptions of auto accidents.  One
involves reflexes and the other involves either falling asleep or losing
consciousness.

I would appreciate it if both Jasen and fakeplacebo would give as detailed a
description as possible of the effects they experienced that caused the
accidents.  Please be as detailed as possible.  In Jasen’s case has this ever happen
to you before?  Were you tired?  Could you tell you were tired?  As I said
the more detail the better.  You can write me via personal email if you feel mo
re comfortable in doing that.

To fakeplacebo. Were you distracted mentally or was it a matter of
misjudging.

Thanks guys.

Howard

In a message dated 12/18/04 6:28:05 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:

<< Dear Jasen,

That’s right. I never made car crash before Iboga. But when I started to feel
as strong enough as I can drive; (It was 15 days later after Iboga) when I
started to ride my car I made many mistakes and two times crashed car. (was not
big deal) but yeah Iboga highly effected to my reflexes with the negative way.

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Dear Hannah,

I still cannot believe it.

Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,

thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I was wide
awake,

I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just turned me off
for 10 seconds.

I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at me
swerving,then I hit

one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car off,and
side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey guess
what,..I could say

no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that you dont
drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal with it
straight.

There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and it is a
vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)

I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he is a
savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.

This is my last test.

I am succedingI am strong.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.
Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE
STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.

Well I almost just went home permanatley

I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,

this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the
other side of the road

then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a
scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.

love Jasen. >>

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:49:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said Jasen

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:48:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have seen data suggesting that immediately post IBO, Viral loads for Hep C and HIV go up slightly for a very short time. With in a month, there is a (anecdotal) 25-35% drop in hep -c viral loads. Is this the IBO or is it just so simple that not doing dope is healthier on the liver?

I do not believe IBO has any direct effect on T cell immunity (Viruses like HIV and Hep C). It appears that as we start to get clean eat and drink water, immunity gets better and that is reflected in the improved labs.

You cannot follow hep c severity by following liver functions. They just don’t corollate. You need ultra sensitive viral loads and they are expensive. Many people say “my virus is gone” cause their doc said it was now undetectable on the lab test. Well, the truth is it never goes away EVER. Most viral loads don’t measure below a certain level. Any HIV or hep patient should ask there doc for an ultra sensitive viral load by DNA or PCR with no minimum or maximum cutoffs.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:45:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love ya Ron.
You will have honey in your heart again.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron

i’m putting my faith in another b/c after 54 yrs. i still can’t get it right. i consider myself lucky to have the chance. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: FakePlacebo
To: Summary
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron

Dear Ron,
Be strong. Don’t let the this moment to cheat you. I’m sure you’ll live much better days.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:34:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick

Thanks for that i really do appreciate any adice as i know nothing about ibo

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:31:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi howard

I will ask him and let you know thank you so much for the advice as i really know nothing about ibo

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:30:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Hannah

I am so pleased you feel better, your ex obviously still cares for you and people that judge you just because of this shit are not worth knowing they just dont know any better and they should not judge you.  Thats great keeping your habit so low i wish i could maybe if you win the lottery you can do the ibo and hey if i win i will pay take care of yourself

love donna

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:47:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’d love to treat Bush with cyanide to be honest, but that wouldn’t be the way of love to all now would it?
Lol
Kirk
From: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 2:03 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush

Dear Randy,
Do you think we could treat Bush with Iboga? Because He has Nukes and army also. He is killing inocent people all around the world for money more than Kim IL Sung does.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung

Donna, if your treatment is 600 pounds British, what would that be in American dollars? I am intrigued with the thought of someone from Prague being on the same page as us. Ibogaine is a miracle and it is spreading world wide. We need to get some to North Korea and treat Kim IL Sung. What a freak. He would fit right in. I can see the headlines now. ” Communist leader has Ibogaine treatment and dismantles all his nukes and makes bong pipes out of them. Proclaims love for the world.”          Randy

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DRIVING fakeplacebo and jasen – was/Re: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:48:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As more and more people are treated with ibogaine a greater diversity of
effects will be seen.  This is normal to all drugs.

Ibogaine Consent Forms should be changed to include a paragraph on operating
machinery or automobiles similar to the warning on package inserts for
sedatives, hypnotics or narcotics.  I haven’t reviewed warning for antidepressants
and other psychoactive drugs but, will do so as soon as I get a chance. Suggest
ibogaine providers do the same.

That being said, we have two distinct descriptions of auto accidents.  One
involves reflexes and the other involves either falling asleep or losing
consciousness.

I would appreciate it if both Jasen and fakeplacebo would give as detailed a
description as possible of the effects they experienced that caused the
accidents.  Please be as detailed as possible.  In Jasen’s case has this ever happen
to you before?  Were you tired?  Could you tell you were tired?  As I said
the more detail the better.  You can write me via personal email if you feel mo
re comfortable in doing that.

To fakeplacebo. Were you distracted mentally or was it a matter of
misjudging.

Thanks guys.

Howard

In a message dated 12/18/04 6:28:05 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:

<< Dear Jasen,

That’s right. I never made car crash before Iboga. But when I started to feel
as strong enough as I can drive; (It was 15 days later after Iboga) when I
started to ride my car I made many mistakes and two times crashed car. (was not
big deal) but yeah Iboga highly effected to my reflexes with the negative way.

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–

From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Dear Hannah,

I still cannot believe it.

Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,

thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I was wide
awake,

I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just turned me off
for 10 seconds.

I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at me
swerving,then I hit

one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car off,and
side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey guess
what,..I could say

no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that you dont
drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal with it
straight.

There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and it is a
vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)

I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he is a
savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.

This is my last test.

I am succedingI am strong.

Love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–

From: Hannah Clay

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.
Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE
STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah

—– Original Message —–

From: Jasen Chamoun

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.

Well I almost just went home permanatley

I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,

this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the
other side of the road

then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a
scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.

love Jasen. >>

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 4:31:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m putting my faith in another b/c after 54 yrs. i still can’t get it right. i consider myself lucky to have the chance. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: FakePlacebo
To: Summary
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron

Dear Ron,
Be strong. Don’t let the this moment to cheat you. I’m sure you’ll live much better days.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 18, 2004 at 4:23:43 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Donna,
thanks for the note.  this doc, according to my research, is versed in ibo and other addiction breaking modalities.  very knowledgeable.  i will follow his plan, pray he can help and likewise pray i can help him help me. my job prevents the downtime necessary to recover from the ibo treatment at the moment. of course if i continue my old path, i won’t have a career or a computer. thanks for the interest. i wish you well. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Hi Ron

Could you not find someone to treat you with ibo??  Is that what your plans are when you go to the docs on monday??

Love Donna

From: “boaz wachtel” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 18, 2004 at 3:53:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

Could you please be more specific then ” I have heard through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients”. Do you know anyone who can provide us with pre and post Ibogaine CD4 count and other measurements as well? if we  can find positive data I don’t have to tell you that it could turn out to be super important data at this point.
Besides Randy – can those with HIV or Hep C treated with Ibogaine provide us with the pre and post HIV related results and liver count data and send it to Howard and self?
we are working here in Israel with couple of HIV doctors who will be willing to help with data analysis etc.

All the best

Boaz Wachtel
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 3:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV

Howard, does this mean that Ibogaine would have that effect too? I have heard through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients. It seems like it helps people with Hep C too. I told my liver Doc that if he really wanted to have good stats on his treatment protocol he would treat all his addicts with Hep C with Ibogaine after the Interferon treatment is over. Maybe even before. I mean probably half the people being treated for Hep C are addict/alcoholics. If I was a Doc I would think that their addiction should be addressed along with the Hep C.                 Randy

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure
Date: December 18, 2004 at 3:19:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,

Keep that appointment. There are a zillion hotel like Howard Jonsons and alike all around that are that should not be too cost prohibitive.

How far a drive is it for you?

The doc’s cool but will not enable you. He knows his chemistry and has a dam good benzo protocol that is tapered and adjusted continuously on how you are feeling. Yet, you to will have to do the work nand on some level, no matter how good the Doc and how sincere your intentions, you have to pat the piper on some level and there will be some physical weirdness in getting clean.

That where NA can help. I know the Doc can get you off and also help you get through he post acute withdrawal from Benzo’s. Insomnia, anxiety and generally slow bad mood can persist for 4-6 months after the Benzo’s are stopped. The doc has some good ways of dealing with that but your mind will play tricks on you as you attempt to rescue your highjacked brain.

getting a positive attitude and an attitude of gratitude will do a lot to insure your success and release from chemical bondage.

You have to do the work and follow instructions to a tee. If you pray to God to help you dig a hole, you had better bring a shovel.

No more tears or fears. You will succeed. God has plans for you.

Glad to see you finally are doing a action move to feel better.

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 18, 2004 at 3:13:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, it’s wonderful that you survived. Given the driving
accidents that you and FakePlacebo have experienced, I hope that
providers will start warning people about driving in the weeks post-
ibo, as you suggest. Can you remember what you were thinking before
the accident?

Have you gotten into any aftercare?

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and
it
is a vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am
driving)
I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he
is
a savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

In my experience, the white dog and black dog as you describe them
can change places, where the black one uses the post-iboga euphoria
to keep one distracted from doing the necessary work. It can be an
invaluable help to have a therapeutic situation to keep track of
which is which. The black dog is just us against (afraid of)
ourselves. It is amazing what that black dog can do, even outside
of addiction.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:21:59 -0800 Jasen Chamoun
<JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Dear Hannah,
I still cannot believe it.
Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,
thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I
was wide awake,
I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just
turned me off for 10 seconds.
I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at
me swerving,then I hit
one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car
off,and side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey
guess what,..I could say
no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that
you dont drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal
with it straight.
There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and
it is a vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am
driving)
I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he

is a savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.
This is my last test.
I am succedingI am strong.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone
was fine.  Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?
But like you say, YOU’RE STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.
Well I almost just went home permanatley
I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,
this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one
car on the other side of the road
then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily
not a scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.
love Jasen.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 1:12:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Donna,

Brian is Brian Mariano from Prague. He has a website http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/ and also some treatment notes online at http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/brian.htm He’s a nice guy. Yes, you should definitely get your body checked out before taking ibogaine. Heart and liver function must get done. The drug can be pretty strong on the body and it’s good to know you’re in good enough shape to take it. You might be able to get them done on the NHS, if you have a nice GP or someone at a local drug treatment place he/she can arrange it with a hospital. Otherwise you’ll have to make up a good story for the hospital or get them done private.

love Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com [mailto:AbbotAngel@aol.com]
Sent: 18 December 2004 13:39
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung

Hi Randy

I just spoke to Hattie wells on the phone what a nice lady anyway this Brian is a friend of hers and she said the same Brian does not request the heart and liver function tests but I should get them done.  I have no history of heart problems however my partner has in his family and he might be doing the treatment with me so we will have the tests and see what they say and take it from there.  I will have to leave it till the new year now.  Thank you for your help

Love Donna

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Music
Date: December 18, 2004 at 1:09:40 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all!

God I’m so bored!  I’ve kept myself busy all day and now I just can’t do it anymore (well I guess I am still actually, doing this!)  I’m listening to one of my favourite bands, I thought I’d mention em if you wanted something alternative.  They’re called Tarantism and their albums can be hard to get hold of unfortuantely.  They mainly play live at festivals.  They have a tarantism sound system too but that’s kinda seperate.  If you ever could get hold of their album ‘Six Miles Below’ and my favourite tracks are ‘repetitive strain’ and ‘shit’.  They’re kinda in the Traveller scene, play lots of free parties etc.  I first saw them last summer at Cambridge Strawberry Fair-imagine lots of travellers very drunk attempting to do their version of an irish jig (that’s the crowd not the band!) It was such a good vibe.

Well I’ll get back to my doobie until I think of something else to say…. 😉

Love Hannah

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] FWD BC Court rules probation drug tests unconstitutional
Date: December 18, 2004 at 12:59:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Source: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (Canada Web)

Contact: letters@cbc.ca

Website: http://www.cbc.ca/

Feedback: http://cbc.ca/aboutcbc/contact/index.html

Forum: http://cbc.ca/forums

Address: P.O. Box 3220, Station C, Ottawa, Canada K1Y 1E4

Copyright: 2004 CBC

Pubdate: December 17, 2004

Text of Ruling: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/Jdb-txt/CA/04/06/2004BCCA0643.htm

Webpage:
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regionalnews/caches/bc_drug-tests20041217.html

Court rules probation drug tests unconstitutional

VANCOUVER – B.C.’s highest court has ruled that people on probation shouldn’t
be

forced to submit to drug testing. The court says the tests – a common
probation

condition – are unconstitutional. The B.C. Court of Appeal was hearing the
case

of a man facing such an order. In a 2-1 decision, the court ruled those tests

are unconsitutional. It’s common for people on probation to have urinalysis,

blood, and breathalyzer test requirements. The court found the tests can be

given arbitrarily, and there are no laws in place to protect the man’s
privacy.

The John Howard Society’s Tim Varesh says the decision could mean more people
on

probation could end up being sent back to jail. “If someone is suspected of

being under the influence, you’ll likely see probation officers and parole

officers err on the side of caution if they are unable to confirm their

assumptions through urinalysis.”

B.C.’s Criminal Justice Branch is reviewing the decision, but hasn’t decided
if

it will appeal. Crown prosecutors are already being told not to ask for drug
and

alcohol tests to be included in probation requirements. In its conclusion, the

court found striking down the commonly used conditions may make it difficult
to

enforce orders keeping people off drugs and alcohol. But the court says it’s
up

to Parliament to address a gap in legislation.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 18, 2004 at 12:54:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/18/04 8:08:40 AM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com writes:

<< Howard, does this mean that Ibogaine would have that effect too? I have
heard
through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients. It
seems like it helps people with Hep C too. I told my liver Doc that if he
really
wanted to have good stats on his treatment protocol he would treat all his
addicts with Hep C with Ibogaine after the Interferon treatment is over.
Maybe
even before. I mean probably half the people being treated for Hep C are
addict/alcoholics. If I was a Doc I would think that their addiction should
be
addressed along with the Hep C.       >>

Hi Randy,

We have no data I can share but, this issue of ibogaine having similar
effects as 18-mc should certainly be looked into.  Could this be iboga alkaloids war
phase II?  Or is it the glorious miraculous awakening?

More to come.

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 12:45:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/18/04 8:01:42 AM, AbbotAngel@aol.com writes:

<< Hi Randy $750 $800 plus his flight $200 this guy Mark he treated said it
was
fantastic he was really severly withdrawing and had ibo the pain just
stopped, he constantly checks you as is it true for 15 hours you can not
physically
move? and also he has not mentioned having my heart or liver function  tested
what do you think?? I am so excited at the fact of coming off this shit  with
little or no pain I keep thinking there has to be a catch???? >>

You should have an ekg and a blood chemistry including liver panel whether
anyone asks for it or not.  Not asking you for a blood chemistry and liver panel
and an ekg is not keeping to best practices for ibogaine therapy.  Ask your
anticipated provider why he/she is not asking for the tests.

Howard

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT RE: Donna
Date: December 18, 2004 at 12:19:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That sounds really good Donna.  I’d love to join you but I’m not going to have ANY cash for a good while, let alone hundreds.  Even if I did, unfortunately there’s other places it’d have to go to first.  I will look forward to hearing your journey though.

Most days I feel ok but I’ve noticed that once I’m bored and have nothing to do, then I start thinking too much and then I get depressed and tearful…(and then I crave the gear)  If I’m busy I’m ok.  Like tonight my friends are away, I’ve no money and I’m lonely boohoo.  I saw Paul my ex last night-he came round for a couple of hours and it was lovely.  We got on really well but unfortunately that’s made it hard again cuz now I miss him again.  Apparently he had to threaten to smack someone we know cuz they said he’d be better off without someone like me.  Like what? he asked.  A smackhead, the guy said.  I hate knowing people still judge me that simply.

I’ve had no gear for 2 days.I had a point on Thurs and a point on Wed and then none 3 days before that so really in the past week I’ve only had 2pts which is brill for me.  I hope I can keep it up.  I haven’t questioned my resolve until tonight-I’m just feeling tearful and lonely again.  I have no interest in TV or fags either.  I wish Paul was here….

I’ll be ok though,
lots of love Hannah

—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hi hannah

I so hope you are feeling better i have found this guy Brian he is from prague and he will come to your home in the UK and administer ibo its £600 a treatment plus expenses but if he treats a few people the price goes down i have spoken to mark a guy he treated back in april but need to find out more

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 18, 2004 at 9:09:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron

Could you not find someone to treat you with ibo??  Is that what your plans are when you go to the docs on monday??

Love Donna

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:48:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

north florida, thanks for the well wishes, love ron
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Hi Ron

Where in the world are you???

From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:40:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen wrote…
I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

Yes yes again I wear minelong in a ponytail mostly but after the ibo i started wearing it lose I want a “freak flag ” so to speak. I do not feel part of this culture anymore, tv is a joke, news forget it, movies dont have any allure. music music music….
love to all
jeff
glad you are ok J

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:39:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy

I just spoke to Hattie wells on the phone what a nice lady anyway this Brian is a friend of hers and she said the same Brian does not request the heart and liver function tests but I should get them done.  I have no history of heart problems however my partner has in his family and he might be doing the treatment with me so we will have the tests and see what they say and take it from there.  I will have to leave it till the new year now.  Thank you for your help

Love Donna

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:28:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

M, I think Bush should be treated first. I think somebody would donate the Ibogaine if he did. We could make plough shares and bong pipes with all those nukes.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:24:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Donna, I would get the tests done on my own anyway if I were you and maybe someone here will help you read them. I’m not familiar with this guys treatment method but I don’t think you will have to lay still for 15 or 16 hours. The first few hours are the worst for the motion sickness. Everyone is a little different but believe me you won’t worry about it. Lay back and enjoy the view, it was beautiful for me. Don’t eat for at least 12 hours and drink lots of water for a few days before. Have you ever had any heart problems and is there a history of heart problems in your family? Have you ever had any liver problems? Keep us informed of your progression and I’m sure those more informed than me will help you out.     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:07:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard, does this mean that Ibogaine would have that effect too? I have heard through the underground that Ibogaine is beneficial to AIDS patients. It seems like it helps people with Hep C too. I told my liver Doc that if he really wanted to have good stats on his treatment protocol he would treat all his addicts with Hep C with Ibogaine after the Interferon treatment is over. Maybe even before. I mean probably half the people being treated for Hep C are addict/alcoholics. If I was a Doc I would think that their addiction should be addressed along with the Hep C.                 Randy
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 16, 2004 at 2:02:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Planta Med. 2004 Sep;70(9):808-12.

Anti-HIV-1 activity of the Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine.

Silva EM, Cirne-Santos CC, Frugulhetti IC, Galvao-Castro B, Saraiva EM,
Kuehne ME, Bou-Habib DC.
Laboratorio Avancado de Saude Publica, Centro de Pesquisas Goncalo Moniz,
Salvador, BA, Brazil.

The Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC) exhibits in vitro
leishmanicidal and in vivo anti-addiction properties. In this paper, we
describe that 18-MC inhibits HIV-1 infection in human peripheral blood mononuclear
cells (PBMCs) and monocyte-derived macrophages. We found that 18-MC inhibits
the replication of primary isolates of HIV-1 in a dose-dependent manner,
regardless of the preferential chemokine receptor usage of the isolates, at
non-cell-toxic concentrations. The antiretroviral activity of 18-MC resulted in EC (50)
values of 22.5 +/- 4.7 microM and 23 +/- 4.5 microM for R5 and X4 isolates,
respectively, in PBMCs, and a therapeutic index (TI) of 14.5. Similar findings
were observed for inhibition of HIV-1 replication in macrophages: EC (50)
equal to 12.8 +/- 5 microM and 9.5 +/- 3 microM for an R5 virus after 14 and 21
days of infection, respectively, with TI equal to 25.6 and 34.5. 18-MC
moderately inhibits the HIV-1 enzyme reverse transcriptase (IC (50) = 69.4 microM),
which at least partially explains its antiretroviral activity.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:07:53 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey!,.. if thats the case, then all those other cars were going the wrong way,you beauty.  If only.<

Of COURSE everyone ELSE was going the wrong way Jasen, isn’t that almost always the case?
;0-))
Next book release party (next Fall/Winter?) you can plan on coming to NYC, right?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2004 3:24 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen

Jasen, it’s good to hear your OK so now I can joke. See, yall drive on the wrong side of da road. Do the clocks go the other way too? Dude I was pretty tired most of the time for about 6 weeks. I almost did the same thing coming back from NYC after leaving Preston’s release party and had to pull over and pay 5 bucks for a cup of Joe and a donut. I was so sensitive to stimuli that I couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours after I got home. I hope you can skate without having much problem with insurance. Stay well and I send peace and love to you and yours during the holiday’s.                     Randy
Hey Randy,
Peace and love to you and yours to my brother.
Listening to Supertramp, love you to joke. Actually compared to way over there where you are,I was driving on the right side of the road,….Hey!,.. if thats the case, then all those other cars were going the wrong way,you beauty.  If only.
I would have loved to have gone to Prestons release party and met you both.
with love Jasen.

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:03:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron

Where in the world are you???

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung and Bush
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:02:54 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Randy,
Do you think we could treat Bush with Iboga? Because He has Nukes and army also. He is killing inocent people all around the world for money more than Kim IL Sung does.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung

Donna, if your treatment is 600 pounds British, what would that be in American dollars? I am intrigued with the thought of someone from Prague being on the same page as us. Ibogaine is a miracle and it is spreading world wide. We need to get some to North Korea and treat Kim IL Sung. What a freak. He would fit right in. I can see the headlines now. ” Communist leader has Ibogaine treatment and dismantles all his nukes and makes bong pipes out of them. Proclaims love for the world.”          Randy

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 8:01:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy $750 $800 plus his flight $200 this guy Mark he treated said it was fantastic he was really severly withdrawing and had ibo the pain just stopped, he constantly checks you as is it true for 15 hours you can not physically move? and also he has not mentioned having my heart or liver function tested what do you think?? I am so excited at the fact of coming off this shit with little or no pain I keep thinking there has to be a catch????

Love donna

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: A Prayer for Gary Webb
Date: December 18, 2004 at 7:55:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I pass on Catherine Austin Fitt’s prayer for Gary Webb here, and must say that I’m honored to be included in the list of people she names in this email. Really, I am honored. I only wish it hadn’t been such a disastrous, depressing event that inspired this note.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: “Catherine Austin Fitts” catherine@solari.com

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: A Prayer for Gary Webb

A PRAYER FOR GARY WEBB

Gary, we gather in our hearts to say farewell
and to tell you how grateful we are for your presence in our lives.
Your courage and your talent helped us to face America’s shadow.
Like the Buddha who taught us that the lotus blossoms out of the mud,
your work birthed a living network — Mike Ruppert, Cele Castillo,
Kelly O’Meara, Al Giordano, Preston Peet, Linda Minor, Alastair
Thompson, Kyle Hence, Ian Inaba, Tom Flocco, Sam Smith and many more — a new generation of leaders dedicated to coming clean
and rising in the divine power of illumination you inspired.
Gary, my prayers are with you and your family.
I carry in my heart the signature of your honor and
I invoke the words of Chief Seattle who wisely reminded us
that “the dead are not powerless.”
Gary, go in peace
with our love,
with our thanks, and
with our praise.

Prepared at the Request of Mike Ruppert
for the Memorial Service for Gary Webb
Sacramento, California
December 18, 2004
by Catherine Austin Fitts

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Donna and Kim IL Sung
Date: December 18, 2004 at 7:52:49 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Donna, if your treatment is 600 pounds British, what would that be in American dollars? I am intrigued with the thought of someone from Prague being on the same page as us. Ibogaine is a miracle and it is spreading world wide. We need to get some to North Korea and treat Kim IL Sung. What a freak. He would fit right in. I can see the headlines now. ” Communist leader has Ibogaine treatment and dismantles all his nukes and makes bong pipes out of them. Proclaims love for the world.”          Randy

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:50:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi hannah

I so hope you are feeling better i have found this guy Brian he is from prague and he will come to your home in the UK and administer ibo its £600 a treatment plus expenses but if he treats a few people the price goes down i have spoken to mark a guy he treated back in april but need to find out more

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:37:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Jasen

Dont worry so much about the insurance the main thing is you are still alive ans very much alive by the sounds of it i will let you know how i get on with Brian

Love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:34:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know ron but hang on and be strong listen to Jasen and surely if you can in a few months even weeks be where he is it will all be worth while, dont let it win!!
love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:32:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ronn

All you can do is have faith in the person helping you and the ibo if you chose that path take care i think you will be fine

love donna

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Jasen (yes you are right)
Date: December 18, 2004 at 6:26:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Jasen,
That’s right. I never made car crash before Iboga. But when I started to feel as strong enough as I can drive; (It was 15 days later after Iboga) when I started to ride my car I made many mistakes and two times crashed car. (was not big deal) but yeah Iboga highly effected to my reflexes with the negative way.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Dear Hannah,
I still cannot believe it.
Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,
thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I was wide awake,
I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just turned me off for 10 seconds.
I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at me swerving,then I hit
one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car off,and side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey guess what,..I could say
no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that you dont drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal with it straight.
There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and it is a vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)
I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he is a savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.
This is my last test.
I am succedingI am strong.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.  Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.
Well I almost just went home permanatley
I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,
this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the other side of the road
then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.
love Jasen.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen
Date: December 18, 2004 at 4:23:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2004 3:24 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen

Jasen, it’s good to hear your OK so now I can joke. See, yall drive on the wrong side of da road. Do the clocks go the other way too? Dude I was pretty tired most of the time for about 6 weeks. I almost did the same thing coming back from NYC after leaving Preston’s release party and had to pull over and pay 5 bucks for a cup of Joe and a donut. I was so sensitive to stimuli that I couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours after I got home. I hope you can skate without having much problem with insurance. Stay well and I send peace and love to you and yours during the holiday’s.                     Randy
Hey Randy,
Peace and love to you and yours to my brother.
Listening to Supertramp, love you to joke. Actually compared to way over there where you are,I was driving on the right side of the road,….Hey!,.. if thats the case, then all those other cars were going the wrong way,you beauty.  If only.
I would have loved to have gone to Prestons release party and met you both.
with love Jasen.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 18, 2004 at 3:46:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Donna,

It was close,I felt as if I was held in some way,it was a pretty bad accident
and I jumped out like I had just parked the car.Funny enough,after the accident
I was still calm and, ….the same,it was almost like it did not happen,it was surreal.

I knew how big this was,I knew I had not paid my premium,I’d
be paying this off,funny enough,it wasn’t reacting with me,it was like
me being opiate free was that/is that huge, that it didn’t matter.

Doesn’t matter,are you kidding,how am I gonna pay for all this.

It was like I was being assured this was for the best.It didn’t matter in the big picture.
You will be good.

People feel me differently

It’s like when the opiate is out of your body you give out a different vibe,
people are more responsive,I am tuning into real life,..and you know what ,..
it is really exciting,I cry with happiness and thanks even after such an accident.

Everything around me is saying,”hey, where have you been,welcome back.”

I can not say I have heard of Brian from Prague,he sounds great.
If you are in England and you can’t get Brian,then Saras is not much more,
and it is an hour flight.

Of the subject,I used to have great long hair which I cut 6 months ago,
thinking that I would be fitting into society better,…What a D*ck.

I want my long hair back,just to give you an idea of how many things the Iboga/Ibogaine
has healed,I now do not give a sh*t whether I fit in or not,…as long as I come from Love.

It will grow again.Hey,…It’s growing right now.
I am still smiling ear to ear, I am becoming untouchable.
—– Original Message —–                          with love Jasen.
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hi everyone

Jasen that was a close call, bet it got your adrenalin pumping, glad you are ok,  have you or anyone heard of a guy called brian he is from Prague he comes to your home and gives you ibogaine £600 plus expenses, I spoke to a guy called mark that he treated in april and he sounded nice.  I would appreciate any advice.

love donna

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen
Date: December 18, 2004 at 12:25:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Woooo Jasen!!!!  You’ll be running after parked cars next!!  It hurts, trust me….
Yes Randy, the clocks DO go the other way, as do the toilet flushings, we stir our cuppa teas the other way and get out of bed counter-counter-backward clockwise (cos remember, clocks go the other way….)
Had this discussion once with a amerrykan woman into pendulums as we were trying to figure out which way for what in what hemisphere, turns out don’t matter, it’s individual lol.
Kirk
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2004 3:24 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen

Jasen, it’s good to hear your OK so now I can joke. See, yall drive on the wrong side of da road. Do the clocks go the other way too? Dude I was pretty tired most of the time for about 6 weeks. I almost did the same thing coming back from NYC after leaving Preston’s release party and had to pull over and pay 5 bucks for a cup of Joe and a donut. I was so sensitive to stimuli that I couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours after I got home. I hope you can skate without having much problem with insurance. Stay well and I send peace and love to you and yours during the holiday’s.                     Randy

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 11:05:21 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANKS, DIFFICULT TO BE STRONG WHEN ON FREIGHT TRAIN TO HELL.  AND IT’S COMING HARD.
RON
—– Original Message —–
From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron

Hi Ron

Please listen to all of these people i expect most of them know exactly how you are feeling, i know i do, please be strong and take care

love donna

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 11:02:27 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’M NOT SO SURE, BUT THANKS FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. MY ADDICTION ALMOST KILLED ME ONCE, IT’S CLOSE TO DOING IT AGAIN AND DESTROYING MY LIFE. I’LL PUT MY LIFE IN ANOTHER’S HANDS, BUT I’M SKEPTICAL, NOT OF HIM BUT MY CHANCES. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: FakePlacebo
To: Summary
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron

Dear Ron,
Be strong. Don’t let the this moment to cheat you. I’m sure you’ll live much better days.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Gotta Light? (Ron)
Date: December 17, 2004 at 10:45:28 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANKS FOR WELL WISHES. I’LL POST  AFTER DOC IF APROPRIATE. LOVE, RON
—– Original Message —– From: “santaz A(id” <santasacid659@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Gotta Light? (Ron)

Hey there Ron,
I know shit’s ruff right now.  Sometimes over
thinking about what could happen can make it harder.
Few months ago I had to go to jail for a joint (on
263mg/day at the time and they do not give the
prescribed methadone in that jail.  So w/ a warrant
for no show @ court, I thought it would be a good idea
to prepare myself for what was coming so I do some web
searching and end up at web sites like spr.org, etc.
The situation was already difficult enough w/ out
adding additional stuff.  I also had xanex script I
had been taking for multiple years that the jail isn’t
big on giving.

The whole ‘I could have a seizure’ stuff is quick
sand.  Try to let your doctor handle it unless your
trained, and even then *perception cannot percieve
itself.

I try to keep in mind that where there is light thier
must be dark. As dark as it is right now, dark cannot
exist without light. And even though all 5 senses are
saying ‘all is dark’, know in a sacred place inside
you that dark and light co-exist.

*You are stronger then youself credit.  Not only are
you strong enough to start the process, I have faith
that you can do it with dignity.

I hope you have a good weekend.  I’m looking forward
to hearing what Dr. Monday does to help you out.

Try to find a little good in all this chaos, it’s fun,
like a game of where’s waldo or sumthin.^)

cheers,
-J

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8104417&dopt=Citation
“…(rarely) epileptic seizures…”

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:21:59 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Hannah,
I still cannot believe it.
Normally I am fully insured,did not pay it before going to Holand,
thought ohh, I’ll just pay it when I get back.

It still blows me out that I hurt no-one.I don’t understand it I was wide awake,
I mean sh*t I find it hard to sleep.It was like someone just turned me off for 10 seconds.
I woke up after hitting one car,and saw all these cars comming at me swerving,then I hit
one whilst trying to swerve in and out,rode one off,rode my car off,and side swiped another.

When the police came,they said are you on any medication,and hey guess what,..I could say
no.Thet said do you use drugs,Hey,….No, wow.

I can seriously suggest that when people have Iboga/Ibogaine,that you dont drive for at least 6 weeks.

I keep getting pushed,..tested, fu*k,….I am just going to deal with it straight.
There is a silver lining somewhere.

The white dog inside me is still fighting with the black dog,and it is a vicious fight,they won’t let me sleep(except when I am driving)
I am feeding the white dog good food,the black dog is weakening,he is a savage son af a b*tch,I will not feed him.

I want to cry for my car,… and laugh for new life.
This is my last test.
I am succedingI am strong.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.  Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.
Well I almost just went home permanatley
I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,
this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the other side of the road
then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.
love Jasen.

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 4:33:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron

Please listen to all of these people i expect most of them know exactly how you are feeling, i know i do, please be strong and take care

love donna

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 17, 2004 at 4:31:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi everyone

Jasen that was a close call, bet it got your adrenalin pumping, glad you are ok,  have you or anyone heard of a guy called brian he is from Prague he comes to your home and gives you ibogaine £600 plus expenses, I spoke to a guy called mark that he treated in april and he sounded nice.  I would appreciate any advice.

love donna

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 17, 2004 at 2:58:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Christ Jasen!  Don’t scare us like that!  I’m so glad everyone was fine.  Maybe avoid driving til your sleeps back to normal?  But like you say, YOU’RE STILL ALIVE! 🙂

All my love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hello List.
Well I almost just went home permanatley
I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,
this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the other side of the road
then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.
love Jasen.

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 12:01:06 PM EST
To: “Summary” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,
Be strong. Don’t let the this moment to cheat you. I’m sure you’ll live much better days.

Best Regards
FakePlacebo

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 11:45:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/17/04 9:11:27 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< Howard:

please, I was just saying what they wanted to hear, not taking issue with

treatment. i was not going to even respond, but everyone wanted to know how

bad it is out there.  it sucks and yes , that’s why ibo  is a good thing.

personally i have nothing to contribute to the list, said so in earlier

posts, and will say no more.  going to a doc on mon who may help me. if i

had enough cash  and time, i’d probably do ibo it right now, even though

smarter heads say it’s not for my situation. i intended no criticism of

anyone, just reminded those that asked, it bites and to rejoice in being

free. ron >>

No hassle.  Take care of yourself and good luck with the doc.  Keep us
informed as information is what this list or at least part of it runs on.  thanks.

Howard

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From: “santaz A\(id” <santasacid659@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Gotta Light? (Ron)
Date: December 17, 2004 at 10:38:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey there Ron,
I know shit’s ruff right now.  Sometimes over
thinking about what could happen can make it harder.
Few months ago I had to go to jail for a joint (on
263mg/day at the time and they do not give the
prescribed methadone in that jail.  So w/ a warrant
for no show @ court, I thought it would be a good idea
to prepare myself for what was coming so I do some web
searching and end up at web sites like spr.org, etc.
The situation was already difficult enough w/ out
adding additional stuff.  I also had xanex script I
had been taking for multiple years that the jail isn’t
big on giving.

The whole ‘I could have a seizure’ stuff is quick
sand.  Try to let your doctor handle it unless your
trained, and even then *perception cannot percieve
itself.

I try to keep in mind that where there is light thier
must be dark. As dark as it is right now, dark cannot
exist without light. And even though all 5 senses are
saying ‘all is dark’, know in a sacred place inside
you that dark and light co-exist.

*You are stronger then youself credit.  Not only are
you strong enough to start the process, I have faith
that you can do it with dignity.

I hope you have a good weekend.  I’m looking forward
to hearing what Dr. Monday does to help you out.

Try to find a little good in all this chaos, it’s fun,
like a game of where’s waldo or sumthin.^)

cheers,
-J

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8104417&dopt=Citation
“…(rarely) epileptic seizures…”

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 10:25:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

RANDY:
GOING TO KNOWLEDGEABLE DOC MONDAY.  HOPING HE CAN HELP ME SAVE MY ASS. THERE’S NO QUESTIONS:  I NEED THE TREATMENT, I’M GOING AND WILL TRUST IN ANOTHER WHO KNOWS MORE THAN I DO. PEACEFUL PATH TO YOU BROTHER, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Ron

Ron, your an AA guy like me so I’m gonna give you some rhetoric. Don’t you think your addiction is putting all these questions in your mind about what to do? The longer you wait the more power you give to your addiction. Keep the faith.        Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Ron
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:41:07 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, your an AA guy like me so I’m gonna give you some rhetoric. Don’t you think your addiction is putting all these questions in your mind about what to do? The longer you wait the more power you give to your addiction. Keep the faith.        Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:26:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my lifestyle is killing me, i’m going to the kind doc that was recommended on monday. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Ron,

I am not sure what you mean when you say you are killing yourself. Is that literally or just with time?

If you do decide to kill yourself why not do it at Sara’s place with a dose of eboga – if you think its something that can kill you?

Lee

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/16/04 11:36:52 PM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?

THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.
THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.

WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF
BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN. NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN
YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY. IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE
DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON >>

So why do you think people take ibogaine? For all of the reasons you give.
But, I believe people should have the right to make their own decisions.

Howard

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:24:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m going to reach monday.  for me, addiction is always bad as i remain in harm’s way. thanks for the encouragement, i’m taking steps and making preparations
to see some light. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Ron,
Sounds like you have been brought through some very tough lessons – a very positive sign of soul growth. Now is the time to transform all of that into triumph. The hardest part of the journey is towards the end. You can give in to the dark or reach that little bit more and connect to the light.
Lee

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
jasen:
at 54 drugs have destroyed my life and may take a career i’ve spent most of my adult life working towards.  there are no drugs i can get high on anymore, tolerances built up over yrs.  they aren’t an option yet i’m dependent upon them to just function.  nothing romantic in “war stories”, just pain and misery to me and those that love me. they suck and i’m very close to bottoming out.  problem is, bottom at my age means no second chances, losing all i’ve worked for. if i had the bucks i’d go the ibo although i d/n think it’s indicated for benzos.  i’m sure given my history, i’d benefit. of course there’s the destruction of my underinsured house after the hurricane. everyday stuff for normal folks to deal with when not worrying about a habit
drugs have stripped me of all dignity, taken me places i never wanted to go. they have made me a liability when i was once an asset to my community.  i have no one to fall back on for help, the wolf is at the door  NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?
THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.  THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.
WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN.  NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY.  IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

If we all came out when we were GETTING well I think there wouldn’t be many on the list!!
I got a long ways to go too…..and I’m staying put…..I’d like it if you stayed Ronny boy…..this is all a part of getting well……. At least that’s what I am finding… seeing people at all different stages is amazing… where else can we get such a vivid picture of addiction at any stage??
Stay…
Kirsty
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 5:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one.  i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree.  It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron,  take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it!  Actions not words etc)  And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:24:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, it’s good to hear your OK so now I can joke. See, yall drive on the wrong side of da road. Do the clocks go the other way too? Dude I was pretty tired most of the time for about 6 weeks. I almost did the same thing coming back from NYC after leaving Preston’s release party and had to pull over and pay 5 bucks for a cup of Joe and a donut. I was so sensitive to stimuli that I couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours after I got home. I hope you can skate without having much problem with insurance. Stay well and I send peace and love to you and yours during the holiday’s.                     Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:19:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m going to doc monday.  for me, it’s always a bad moment when one is addicted.  people asked for the reminder, i told them.  now  i stand down until i have good things to add to this list and your collective positive flow. there is no good in me rehashing the same tripe, please don’t ask  again.  enjoy your renewed spirit, hope i can be there with you. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

Oi that’s enuff of that talk, I’ll be right over there to kick your butt.
Don’t do anything until you have at least seen this doctor.
I hope you’re just having  an extremely bad moment.
There’s always hope
Kirk
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, 17 December 2004 4:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

jasen:
at 54 drugs have destroyed my life and may take a career i’ve spent most of my adult life working towards.  there are no drugs i can get high on anymore, tolerances built up over yrs.  they aren’t an option yet i’m dependent upon them to just function.  nothing romantic in “war stories”, just pain and misery to me and those that love me. they suck and i’m very close to bottoming out.  problem is, bottom at my age means no second chances, losing all i’ve worked for. if i had the bucks i’d go the ibo although i d/n think it’s indicated for benzos.  i’m sure given my history, i’d benefit. of course there’s the destruction of my underinsured house after the hurricane. everyday stuff for normal folks to deal with when not worrying about a habit
drugs have stripped me of all dignity, taken me places i never wanted to go. they have made me a liability when i was once an asset to my community.  i have no one to fall back on for help, the wolf is at the door  NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?
THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.  THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.
WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN.  NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY.  IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

If we all came out when we were GETTING well I think there wouldn’t be many on the list!!
I got a long ways to go too…..and I’m staying put…..I’d like it if you stayed Ronny boy…..this is all a part of getting well……. At least that’s what I am finding… seeing people at all different stages is amazing… where else can we get such a vivid picture of addiction at any stage??
Stay…
Kirsty
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 5:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one.  i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree.  It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron,  take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it!  Actions not words etc)  And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 9:10:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard:
please, I was just saying what they wanted to hear, not taking issue with treatment. i was not going to even respond, but everyone wanted to know how bad it is out there.  it sucks and yes , that’s why ibo  is a good thing. personally i have nothing to contribute to the list, said so in earlier posts, and will say no more.  going to a doc on mon who may help me. if i had enough cash  and time, i’d probably do ibo it right now, even though smarter heads say it’s not for my situation. i intended no criticism of anyone, just reminded those that asked, it bites and to rejoice in being free. ron
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

In a message dated 12/16/04 11:36:52 PM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<<  NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?

THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.
THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.

WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF
BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN.  NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN
YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY.  IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE
DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON >>

So why do you think people take ibogaine?  For all of the reasons you give.
But, I believe people should have the right to make their own decisions.

Howard

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From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@call south.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine treatment – Att. Donna
Date: December 17, 2004 at 7:04:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I thought the trip side of ibogaine was scary but most people on the list have assured me its quite a different effect.  More like dreams that you can stop by opening your eyes.  Theres probably lots more others can tell you cos I haven’t done it my self.  As for sleep patterns it was good once I got clean.  Took a while but dreams came again which I couldn’t remember having for ages and a real different kind of sleep, more rested but hard to describe.  When I was out of it sleep felt like dozing all the time, lots of waking periods, no dreams and very on and off.  Same thing while on Methadone.  Best wishes and will follow your mail.  Keep reading and asking questions. There are so many very well informed people on this site I’m sure you will find the answers you need.  Allison

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From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thursday, 16 December 2004 4:36:43 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine treatment – Att. Donna

HI Allisson

Thanks for getting back to me I know that getting down to a low level of meth is so hard, well done you are clean now and how was your sleeping after the meth?  I would really like to try the ibogaine but it sounds really trippy which is really scary to me.  I think i’ll do the sub again i’ll keep you posted

love donnaxx

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 6:10:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,

I am not sure what you mean when you say you are killing yourself. Is that literally or just with time?

If you do decide to kill yourself why not do it at Sara’s place with a dose of eboga – if you think its something that can kill you?

Lee

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/16/04 11:36:52 PM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?

THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.
THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.

WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF
BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN. NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN
YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY. IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE
DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON >>

So why do you think people take ibogaine? For all of the reasons you give.
But, I believe people should have the right to make their own decisions.

Howard

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 6:04:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,
Sounds like you have been brought through some very tough lessons – a very positive sign of soul growth. Now is the time to transform all of that into triumph. The hardest part of the journey is towards the end. You can give in to the dark or reach that little bit more and connect to the light.
Lee

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
jasen:
at 54 drugs have destroyed my life and may take a career i’ve spent most of my adult life working towards.  there are no drugs i can get high on anymore, tolerances built up over yrs.  they aren’t an option yet i’m dependent upon them to just function.  nothing romantic in “war stories”, just pain and misery to me and those that love me. they suck and i’m very close to bottoming out.  problem is, bottom at my age means no second chances, losing all i’ve worked for. if i had the bucks i’d go the ibo although i d/n think it’s indicated for benzos.  i’m sure given my history, i’d benefit. of course there’s the destruction of my underinsured house after the hurricane. everyday stuff for normal folks to deal with when not worrying about a habit
drugs have stripped me of all dignity, taken me places i never wanted to go. they have made me a liability when i was once an asset to my community.  i have no one to fall back on for help, the wolf is at the door  NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?
THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.  THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.
WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN.  NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY.  IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

If we all came out when we were GETTING well I think there wouldn’t be many on the list!!
I got a long ways to go too…..and I’m staying put…..I’d like it if you stayed Ronny boy…..this is all a part of getting well……. At least that’s what I am finding… seeing people at all different stages is amazing… where else can we get such a vivid picture of addiction at any stage??
Stay…
Kirsty
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 5:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one.  i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree.  It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron,  take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it!  Actions not words etc)  And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 17, 2004 at 2:18:49 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello List.
Well I almost just went home permanatley
I just rode my car off,I had a micro sleep whilst driving,
this has never happened before,I woke up after hitting one car on the other side of the road
then I hit a second car writing it and my car off,luckily not a scratch on any one.

Hey,I am still alive.Unbelievable.
love Jasen.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 17, 2004 at 2:08:20 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the well wishes and back to you my unseen friend.  wishing you your peaceful path, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
Hey Ron,
Mate,I know were you are at,I watched my father die of cancer,I cared for him whilst trying to
reduce of methadone.
I watched my brother/best freind die. I wanted to die,to live with out my brother
and addicted to methadone was not to live,I lost interest in life,it was to sad,to hard,going against the grain,living with the shame,
having to go to the chemist every day,people looking at you disrespectfuly as they see you drink your dose at the counter,battling with
the added pounds the methadone causes,..well in me anyway.It slows my metabalism down,kills the fire inside you,so you don’t
burn fat like normal.

Iboga/ibogaine released most of the pain I carried,it unblocked me, it filled me with love,it showed me we never die.
My heart is a honey pot overflowing with honey.I communicated with my brother,he was beautiful,he told me if I want to
honor his name,then to honor myself,live life,I live through you and will see you when you come home.I am still here just on a different frequency/plain.
His mouth never moved he was just there glowing smiling,it was as if we communcated through light.

I have learnt that through this that no matter how bad things are they can get better,much much better.
Love Jasen.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 17, 2004 at 1:08:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI JASEN,

They are fine, Tom is landing slowly, just like you did.
Zoe will wait until Tom in back to earth and care help himself,

Be well,

Sara
Van: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 december 2004 0:05
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM

Hi Sara,
How is Zoe and Tom.
Are they ok,has Zoe taken her dose yet.
send them my love.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: sarah
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,

If you have any questions just email me … Kind Regards
—– Original Message —–
From: Sara Glatt
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,

Greetings from Jason and me, all is well around here, nothing unexpected until now.

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 17, 2004 at 12:32:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oi that’s enuff of that talk, I’ll be right over there to kick your butt.
Don’t do anything until you have at least seen this doctor.
I hope you’re just having  an extremely bad moment.
There’s always hope
Kirk
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, 17 December 2004 4:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY

jasen:
at 54 drugs have destroyed my life and may take a career i’ve spent most of my adult life working towards.  there are no drugs i can get high on anymore, tolerances built up over yrs.  they aren’t an option yet i’m dependent upon them to just function.  nothing romantic in “war stories”, just pain and misery to me and those that love me. they suck and i’m very close to bottoming out.  problem is, bottom at my age means no second chances, losing all i’ve worked for. if i had the bucks i’d go the ibo although i d/n think it’s indicated for benzos.  i’m sure given my history, i’d benefit. of course there’s the destruction of my underinsured house after the hurricane. everyday stuff for normal folks to deal with when not worrying about a habit
drugs have stripped me of all dignity, taken me places i never wanted to go. they have made me a liability when i was once an asset to my community.  i have no one to fall back on for help, the wolf is at the door  NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?
THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.  THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.
WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN.  NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY.  IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

If we all came out when we were GETTING well I think there wouldn’t be many on the list!!
I got a long ways to go too…..and I’m staying put…..I’d like it if you stayed Ronny boy…..this is all a part of getting well……. At least that’s what I am finding… seeing people at all different stages is amazing… where else can we get such a vivid picture of addiction at any stage??
Stay…
Kirsty
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 5:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one.  i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree.  It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron,  take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it!  Actions not words etc)  And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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