Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-05

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vascular Trouble
Date: June 1, 2005 at 12:16:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thankyou for that clarity. We never would’ve figured it out. :]
tink(sick fux inc)

On 5/31/05, Schmoolyboy@aol.com <Schmoolyboy@aol.com> wrote:
The Fang are also not tweeked sick junkies who abused their bodies with
crack and speed and a shit load of psych drugs that interact with ibogaine.

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vascular Trouble
Date: May 31, 2005 at 11:28:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Fang are also not tweeked sick junkies who abused their bodies with crack and speed and a shit load of psych drugs that interact with ibogaine.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vascular Trouble – Bwiti Practices
Date: May 31, 2005 at 11:27:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

some of you guys reallydon’t know what you are talking about. Ibogaine lowers blood pressure and slows pulse.

It was used as a B.P. med in france years ago. It has a load of very complex cardiac side effects and if you have 20 or so years of medical education, you could understand it.

From: Fire3456@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it …
Date: May 31, 2005 at 10:35:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink,

The same happened to me. Dropping from 16 to 2 didn’t seem to hard. From 2 down to 1 mg per day was a lot harder and took more time than I expected. I’m going to a DR to get some meds to assist with the final w/d’s I will be having.

What kind of schedule do you have to taper down from the 2mgs your at now?

My plan is to taper off in 3 weeks. Then try and stay clean. And then take vacation from work. I’m going to try a maintenance dose of Ibogaine at that time. After I’ve been off the Sub for at least 3 weeks.

Good luck!

In a message dated 05/31/2005 12:27:52 PM Central Daylight Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:
I was on 20 and dropped to 8 in two weeks, and it took my body and
brain about another 2 weeks to catch up with me I was down to 2 mgs,
and it sucks far more at the lower dose when it comes to withdrawal.
It’s always those last few mgs that kick my ass. it takes about 4
days to really feel the effect of the kick form it, or at least for
me. yucka.
love tink
thax howard/fire3456

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] trickster points and laughs—bless your heart
Date: May 31, 2005 at 9:54:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That was out of line. It’s Jason’s usual plea for attention like
constantly snipping at Dana Beal.

He’s trolling.

Maybe he had a worse then usual day.

I’m not the most mature person, I post off topic, guilty as charged but
that was more like the spirit of a prison rape, then ibogaine.

Jason I really don’t care how wise you are in your own mind, how much
methadone you’ve been on, what drugs you’ve done. I haven’t wasted my
whole life like you, it must suck, I’m sorry for you. In case you don’t
get it, none of that makes you cool, it makes you a socially retarded
dumbass.

I know you aren’t here for anyone but yourself and don’t owe anyone
anything like you like to say all the time (what about all the people
who spent their time treating you and getting you off methadone?).

Maybe you need to do more ibogaine or light a candle for yourself. That
was pathetic.

.:vector:.

— BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
OK, thats it, I can’t take this shit without sayin’ sumpin’. Is this

some kind of attempt at starting a useless thread about absolutely
nothing? OK I’m game. Let’s figure out what the Inuits are getting
high on. Think about it. These people are sitting on ice and they
look higher than a rats ass on Kilimanjaro. Just what the hell are
they doing for a buzz? Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] trickster points and laughs—bless your heart
Date: May 31, 2005 at 9:34:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The sun drips slowly down the edges of the mountains, lighting the
bark of the tree that sits lonely at the edge of the cliff. As the
light refracts back on stone, a seam in the rock wall pulses a dull
blue, as if beckoning me to enter. I feel along the edges, and feel
nothing but cold roughness. I still can’t figure out what these
Inuits are doing when they slip out of the igloo, but they won’t quit
giggling, and it’s beginning to piss me off. I lean against the rock
wall, and suddenly am engulfed. I don’t slpi through, I don’t fall
in, I am simply engulfed. It’s dark and moist and pulsating, and i
can feel the tingle rippling through my body, but I am definately not
giggling yet. Fuckin Inuits…

On 5/31/05, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
OK, thats it, I can’t take this shit without sayin’ sumpin’. Is this some
kind of attempt at starting a useless thread about absolutely nothing? OK
I’m game. Let’s figure out what the Inuits are getting high on. Think about
it. These people are sitting on ice and they look higher than a rats ass on
Kilimanjaro. Just what the hell are they doing for a buzz? Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] trickster points and laughs—bless your heart
Date: May 31, 2005 at 9:26:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OK, thats it, I can’t take this shit without sayin’ sumpin’. Is this some kind of attempt at starting a useless thread about absolutely nothing? OK I’m game. Let’s figure out what the Inuits are getting high on. Think about it. These people are sitting on ice and they look higher than a rats ass on Kilimanjaro. Just what the hell are they doing for a buzz? Randy

From: “basel novo” <baselnovo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 31, 2005 at 8:59:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 05:31:07 +0000

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:48:08 -0700

This sort of protocol has not been discussed much. I think that
someone in Holland was selling low-dose capsules for this purpose,
but as far as I remember no one who actually did it did it told
their story here.

Probably the dose would be adjusted for the individual. If I were
to do it, I’d try 1 to 2 mg/kg to start with, allowing a few hours
free of distraction to observe the effect, then adjust up or down.
I haven’t been substance-addicted, but have used doses around .1
mg/kg a few times a week for a month or so at a time. It wore me
down physically but helped me let go of some unreasonable
expectations about life.

Thanks very much for the info. If you could describe the effects at that low dosage, especially changes in blood pressure and pulse rate (if any), that would be really helpful.

Btw, the reason I’m asking is that I’m still trying to figure out whether the medical concerns about iboga self-treatment essentially go away at the dosage levels you describe. Comments on this from anyone are welcome. Thanks.

Thanks.

The value of any ibogaine treatment is likely to be enhanced by
therapy, and low doses are easier to integrate with the pace of
normal personal growth. I believe that what iboga is usually
helping to fix is patterns that keep/protect us from connecting
with each other.

I think part of the appeal of the big-dose experience for personal
change is that it is seen as solitary, allowing the belief that the
ego will somehow retain its isolation. But in the end deep change
is probably necessary for those of us who seek iboga, and in my
experience that takes time. It may be that the big-dose experience
is economically optimal for addiction treatment.

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:04 -0700 Rick Strcat
<rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I’ve been having trouble finding answers to some questions I would
>have thought would be in a FAQ somewhere, so I’ll try them here.
>Any responses would be really welcome.
>
>Suppose someone wanted to try to self-treat with ibogaine for
>addiction interruption: is there a dosage that’s safe enough
>take by oneself, but strong enough to still have some benefit?
>If so, how would you calculate the dosage? This would be for a
>low-level addiction (opiates, alcohol, cocaine) – no really
>serious
>withdrawals but lots of craving.
>
>Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
>days
>for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
>with
>experience with this, especially with self-treatment.
>
>Thanks.
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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] trickster points and laughs—bless your heart
Date: May 31, 2005 at 7:34:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What a charming and witty person you are, I’m sure you have many
friends and are a big hit with the ladies.

Trickster may be a aspiration, but no need to flatter yourself. From
what I’ve read here from you, you’ve made it as far as village idiot.
If that was your goal, congratulations.

On 5/31/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:

Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am power tripping and acting like
egomaniac

Carla never talks to anyone directly and looks like she isn’t living any of
advice she keeps giving.

I need to get laid more. I will go pee on myself now.
Carla B

(this won’t make Dana or Ben’s newletter)

I consider Carla therapy a total luxury really, having someone be
interested in all the little
dramas of my life, I think it’s fucking great.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: PSYTOPIA PSYCHEDELIC FESTIVAL
Date: May 31, 2005 at 6:41:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This looks like a lot of fun- too bad I can’t afford a trip to Jamaica. I’d go simply to see Ozric Tenticles and My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult.
And for the beaches and to experience Jamaica itself, since I’ve never been. Ah well, nEXt time of course, once I’m rolling in lots of money from all those best sellers I’m cranking out (not to mention starring roles in all those amazingly great films I’m gonna be starring in sooner than later) in my lifetime.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: PSYTOPIA PSYCHEDELIC FESTIVAL

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Brothers Past
Doug Stanhope of the Manshow
Conspirator (Feat. Marc and Aaron of the Disco Biscuits)
Erowid
Ozric Tentacles
Eat Static
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Laser’s by GeminiTV (Who has also worked with Jimi Hendrix, the Who and Pink Floyd)
The Church of Subgenius
Jamaican Xotic Mushrooms
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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] trickster points and laughs—bless your heart
Date: May 31, 2005 at 3:42:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am power tripping and acting like egomaniac

Carla never talks to anyone directly and looks like she isn’t living any of advice she keeps giving.  I need to get laid more. I will go pee on myself now. Carla B
(this won’t make Dana or Ben’s newletter)
> I consider Carla therapy a total luxury really, having someone be > interested in all the little > dramas of my life, I think it’s fucking great.

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] for hackers
Date: May 31, 2005 at 3:35:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

fyi, start looking over your shoulder like yesterday,

EVERYthing is recorded ; )

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] crusty hippo
Date: May 31, 2005 at 3:34:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

how’s is your musium coming along Dana?

Bless your heart.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it so pleases the list…
Date: May 31, 2005 at 1:27:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was on 20 and dropped to 8 in two weeks, and it took my body and
brain about another 2 weeks to catch up with me I was down to 2 mgs,
and it sucks far more at the lower dose when it comes to withdrawal.
It’s always those last few mgs that kick my ass. it takes about 4
days to really feel the effect of the kick form it, or at least for
me. yucka.
love tink
thax howard/fire3456

On 5/31/05, fire3456@aol.com <fire3456@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Howard/Tink,

From what I have read, and from what people who have had used/1st hand
experience with Bup/Sub, a fast taper is much better. 4 or 5 weeks. People
who have used Sub seem to agree that faster tapper is better than a gradual
long taper. The w/d are actually said to be less with a fast taper for some
reason.

Also, does anyone have any advice on switching from Bup back to something
else. My Sub DR just lost his license and I have finally found a DR that
will help but can’t prescribe Sub. So I may have to switch. Although I am
going to try an even faster taper with the Sub I have left (maybe 2 weeks
worth left) I’m down to 1mg/day and having difficulty going lower without
w/ds beginning.

PS: I was on Sub, but obviously wasn’t off it long enough, when I tried
Ibogaine. It did reset some of my receptors where I was able to get along
with a lot less Sub. I think a maintenance dose of Ibo would have done the
trick, had I had enough for a couple of weeks or so.

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:32:25 EDT
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than
later, if it so pleases the list…

The Naloxone was added to stop people from shooting buprenorphine. It is
virtually inactive when taken sublingually but, will put you into immediate
withdrawal if taken IV.

Responses to switching to buprenorphine (agonist/antagonist) to a full
agonist (hydrocodone/vicodin) will depend on the dose of vicodin and
individual
responses.

The general procedure for switching from a full agonist to buprenorphine is
to let yourself go into withdrawal before you take the buprenorphine. It is
really a crap shoot. Some patients have to take buprenorphine for a few days
before they feel better and may even feel worse on day one.

There is nothing wrong with returning to buprenorphine either as a
maintenance drug or to assist you in tapering. When it comes to tapering
from
opioids,
slower is better, particularly when you are dealing with school and home
issues.

Howard

In a message dated 5/30/05 11:42:24 AM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

Not having much knowledge about the induction of subutex( straight
buprenorphine), I was wondering if any one knew what would happen if I
were to take one after not taking them since Friday am, havin switched
over to -ugh-vicodin. i know that you aren’t supposed to take the
suboxone because of the naloxone in it, but my knowledge is impaired
when it comes to this other stuff. basically, I feel like holy hell,
have no idea if i even have a reason to have switched off the shit
anymore, and have to function here at home, as well as finish up my
school work, and i have no more of anything else. So, does anyone
know if it’ll cause more withdrwawl like the other shit if you take it
after you’ve had soemthing with an opiate base?
Heeeeeeeellllllllllllppppppppp!!!!!!!!
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: What’s Love?
Date: May 31, 2005 at 10:04:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL,
Right on Randy, right on.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com ; drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: What’s Love?

Hey Preston, how bout this? Love is that feeling you get after you come out of an Ibogaine session for all the friends that you have and and all the ones you haven’t met yet. I love you brother. Randy

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: [Seth and Jane Roberts] image of our consciouness
Date: May 31, 2005 at 8:25:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>
>Cosmic Cookie
>
> Every Human Baby that is born is inhabited
> by a Human Mind or Consciousness.
> The Baby grows up… lives a bit… and dies.
> The Human Mind however never dies.
> The Human Mind has been born thousands of times
> but the Human Body is brand new every time.
> Not only is the Body new every time
> but every time the Body is more evolved.
> The Human-Mind-Creator has learned to create
> better Human Bodies for better Human Minds.
> We are learning Creators.
>
> OUR MATTER BODY IS THE IMAGE OF OUR CONSCIOUSNESS
>
>
>
>
>Seagulls Fly High and Observe the World,,,,,,,,,,
>Dolphins Swimm and Chatter Wisely,,,,,,,,,
>Whales Dive Deep and Sing the Song of the Earth

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 31, 2005 at 5:32:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 5/30/2005 11:36:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tink wrote
It’s different everywhere, but the more rural the area, I’m
>> discovering, the more the lack of resources
Tink, I love you by the way, but you gotta know about what is happening in KY. There is a public clinic (as in sliding scale, most pay a dollar a day) in Lexington, run by a very good friend of mine. The waiting list is over 2 years for that one. There are also 8 other pay clinics as we call them, in strategic places all over KY. All of them have a waiting list too. I can’t really say how long. Too fucking long if you ask me. Anyway, in my jaded and uneducated opinion we need to let Doctors deal with more of these patients. I conned my way into it, or should I say that I found a couple of Doctors who actually cared about my health and gave me Methadone for “pain issues”. Pain, as in “fuck me, I can’t take this shit anymore please help me. I can’t fight Hep C and fight my way into the clinic every day. I aint got the energy. I’m finding that a lot of addicts are becoming middle age and we have legitamit pain issues as well as being addicted. Family DR’s should be allowed to help these people. Not 30 at a time. As many of their patients that need it. Methadone or bup. or whatever is best for the patient. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: What’s Love?
Date: May 31, 2005 at 5:07:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 31, 2005 at 1:31:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:48:08 -0700

Thanks very much for the info. If you could describe the effects at that low dosage, especially changes in blood pressure and pulse rate (if any), that would be really helpful.

Thanks.

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

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From: fire3456@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it so pleases the list…
Date: May 31, 2005 at 12:21:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard/Tink,

From what I have read, and from what people who have had used/1st hand experience with Bup/Sub, a fast taper is much better. 4 or 5 weeks. People who have used Sub seem to agree that faster tapper is better than a gradual long taper. The w/d are actually said to be less with a fast taper for some reason.

Also, does anyone have any advice on switching from Bup back to something else. My Sub DR just lost his license and I have finally found a DR that will help but can’t prescribe Sub. So I may have to switch. Although I am going to try an even faster taper with the Sub I have left (maybe 2 weeks worth left) I’m down to 1mg/day and having difficulty going lower without w/ds beginning.

PS: I was on Sub, but obviously wasn’t off it long enough, when I tried Ibogaine. It did reset some of my receptors where I was able to get along with a lot less Sub. I think a maintenance dose of Ibo would have done the trick, had I had enough for a couple of weeks or so.

The Naloxone was added to stop people from shooting buprenorphine. It is
virtually inactive when taken sublingually but, will put you into immediate
withdrawal if taken IV.

Responses to switching to buprenorphine (agonist/antagonist) to a full
agonist (hydrocodone/vicodin) will depend on the dose of vicodin and individual
responses.

There is nothing wrong with returning to buprenorphine either as a
maintenance drug or to assist you in tapering. When it comes to tapering from
opioids,
slower is better, particularly when you are dealing with school and home
issues.

Howard

In a message dated 5/30/05 11:42:24 AM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

>Not having much knowledge about the induction of subutex( straight
>buprenorphine), I was wondering if any one knew what would happen if I
>were to take one after not taking them since Friday am, havin switched
>over to -ugh-vicodin. i know that you aren’t supposed to take the
>suboxone because of the naloxone in it, but my knowledge is impaired
>when it comes to this other stuff. basically, I feel like holy hell,
>have no idea if i even have a reason to have switched off the shit
>anymore, and have to function here at home, as well as finish up my
>school work, and i have no more of anything else. So, does anyone
>know if it’ll cause more withdrwawl like the other shit if you take it
>after you’ve had soemthing with an opiate base?
>Heeeeeeeellllllllllllppppppppp!!!!!!!!
>tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it so pleases the list…
Date: May 31, 2005 at 12:03:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you again. i took 2 mgs and was okay. Almost done here, but
what a drag..
tink

On 5/30/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
The Naloxone was added to stop people from shooting buprenorphine. It is
virtually inactive when taken sublingually but, will put you into immediate
withdrawal if taken IV.

Responses to switching to buprenorphine (agonist/antagonist) to a full
agonist (hydrocodone/vicodin) will depend on the dose of vicodin and individual
responses.

There is nothing wrong with returning to buprenorphine either as a
maintenance drug or to assist you in tapering. When it comes to tapering from opioids,
slower is better, particularly when you are dealing with school and home
issues.

Howard

In a message dated 5/30/05 11:42:24 AM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 11:36:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dana, you sent Denny here, and I have never got one cent for his
treatment, he stayed for 10 days no one else would have treated him with
the physical problems he has and beside Denny broke a 300$ glas pipe,
I never got that refunded too.
talking about sociopaths… I think it is time to pay back Dana, You may
not think that way but I’m a human too.now you got my help when you needed
it but there is nothing in return.And Denny is not into Ibogaine, beside
he got Iboga and not Ibogaine.
he wouldn’t have came if he knew you were NOT going to pay for sending him
here after you promissed. You got me… Good cheating trick.
Sara

Vermont is a special case. I had problems with Howard Dean on account
of this medical marijuana position, but his stance on treatment on
demand for addicts was even more reprehensible. There’s no sign that
his vetoing methadone presaged a preference for more enlightened
treatment options. His attitude, for a doctor, was more prosecutorial
than medical when it came to treatment for addicts that was no
thinly-veiled punishment. No wonder democrats keep on losing; on drugs
they’re indistinguishable from republicans.

So far as I know there were two people in Vermont who were into
ibogaine, and one of them just left. He had the cable show in
Burlington; moved back to Chicago. The other, Denny Lane, lives way the
fuck out at the end of a country road a couple of hours from
Burlington. He’s a chronic pain patient who got iboga at Sara’s. Can’t
do much.

Still, there’s a lot of potential in Vermont, especially if we can open
up the clinic in Montreal.

Dana/cnw

On May 30, 2005, at 10:32 AM, tink wrote:

I have had this problem as of late with my therapist, in that I’ve
stated very clearly what my needs and problems are and have been, and
continue to be, and he hasnt said more than, “Mmm-hmm, that’s great.
Here’s your prescription. Please stay in compliance with the rules
and keep your insurance updated. Have a nice day, and see you in a
month.” I don’t thiink I’ve actually spoken to him for longer than 10
minutes in the past 7 months. When I said something about that, and
the fact that I didn’t want to be on these lovely little pills
anymore(suboxone), he had an “emergency” meeting, in which he got the
other two who ‘lead’ our group therapy and they sat in a semi circle,
informing me that I’ll never make it without the aid of some form of
opiate agonist/antagonist in me, and was I not thinking clearly about
my decision to want to get off of the stuff?
Unfortunately, in the area I live in currently, they’re still at the
point where there is no problem, for if you don’t acknowledge the
elephant in the living room, it’ll go away, right? it makes the
availablity of care extremely limited and spots for these doctors who
DO provide buprenorphine and methadone are hotly contested. There are
only 150 slots, in THE WHOLE STATE, available for methadone, and each
doctor per practice, not each doctor individually, can prescribe
suboxone for only 30 people. The waiting list is as long as 8 months,
and the only other options available are to join a clinic in
Massachussets, use, or move. My mother was told that i would be
better off on the streets of Miami, or NYC (where ever I was at the
moment) because there simply wasn’t anything anyone here could do.
When I finally did come home, I transferred clinics from miami to
here, but when I got here and went in to see them, they informed me
they would only host dose me for 2 weeks, and then it was up to me to
figure it out, but they would gladly put my name on list. This is
after 3 months of arrangements being made between my doctor in Florida
and the people here, as well as all of the calling and arranging I was
fortunate enough to have done for me by my parents.
It’s different everywhere, but the more rural the area, I’m
discovering, the more the lack of resources. Oh, they do want to open
a born again christian faith based rehab, but they’re currently trying
to expunge what few resources there are, saying they cause more
problems due to the relapse rate of addicts.
I found a little sticker that I put on the fridge the other day, and
it says, “Religion is for people who are afraid of going to hell;
spirituality is for those of us who have been there.”
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: What’s Love?
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:42:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
This it totally off topic, but I thought I’d share it anyway.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Vanessa Cleary
To: Preston Peet
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: Fw: What’s Love?

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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Fw: What’s Love?

MUST READ! THESE ARE PRICELESS!
M
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To: Vern ; Treacy Dunigan ; Tracy McSweeney ; Theresa Bray ; Susan Haas ; Racioppi, Victor ; Nora Smeltzer ; nicole reichard ; Natalie Pepe ; Maria Monaco ; Liz Dunigan ; Kim Cirlin ; katie mulvey ; Jesus Navarro ; Jessica Bleakley ; Eric Deutch ; Dad COMCAST ; Casey Davison ; Carolynn O’Brien ; Carol DiGirolamo ; Brandi ; Auntie Angela ; Aunt RaeAnn
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: What’s Love?

A group of professional people posed this question to
a group of 4 to 8 year-olds, “What does love mean?”

The answers they got were broader and deeper than
anyone could have imagined. See what you think:

————————————————————————
——–

“When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn’t bend
over and paint her toenails anymore.

So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even
when his hands got arthritis too. That’s love.”

Rebecca- age 8

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“When someone loves you, the way they say your name is different.

You just know that your name is safe in their mouth.”

Billy – age 4

———————————————————— ————
——–

“Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on
shaving cologne and they go out and smell each other.”

Karl – age 5

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most
of your French fries without making them give you any
of theirs.”

Chrissy – age 6

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is what makes you smile when you’re tired.”

Terri – age 4

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and
she takes a sip before giving it to him, to make sure
the taste is OK.”

Danny – age 7

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get
tired of kissing, you still want to be together and
you talk more.
My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when
they kiss”

Emily – age 8

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if
you stop opening presents and listen.”

Bobby – age 7 (Wow!)

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——–

“If you want to learn to love better, you should start
with a friend who you hate,”

Nikka – age 6
(we need a few million more Nikka’s on this planet)

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then
he wears it everyday.”

Noelle – age 7

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is like a little old woman and a little old man
who are still friends even after they know each other
so well.”

Tommy – age 6

————————————————————————
——–

“During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was
scared. I looked at all the people watching me and saw
my daddy waving and smiling.

He was the only one doing that. I wasn’t scared
anymore.”

Cindy – age 8

———————————————————————— ——–

“My mommy loves me more than anybody .

You don’t see anyone else kissing me to sleep at
night.”

Clare – age 6

———————————————————————— ——–

“Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of
chicken.”

Elaine-age 5

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and
still says he is handsomer than Robert Redford.”

Chris – age 7

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when your puppy licks your face even after
you left him alone all day.”

Mary Ann – age 4

————————————————————————
——–

“I know my older sister loves me because she gives me
all her old clothes and has to go out and buy new
ones.”

Lauren – age 4

—————————— ——————————————
——–

“When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down
and little stars come out of you.” (what an image)

Karen – age 7

————————————————————————
——–

“Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she
doesn’t think it’s gross.”

Mark – age 6

————————————————————————
——–

“You really shouldn’t say ‘I love you’ unless you mean
it. But if you mean it, you should say it a lot.
People forget.”

Jessica – age 8

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:26:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, aint it the same as school? When I had teachers who were great and helpful and , well were actually real people trying to teach people (not “kids:” in the form of control, make submissive ach tung baby) I learnt so much more and exams were a breeze. It’;s the same with therapists. Until we find the one who can help us, we won’t learn, or can’t be helped.
Going thru that with friends
Kirk

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2005 2:17 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn

Nick, your right. When I finally wanted help and found a good therapist I actually got better. Or should I say I became more focused on what I wanted to achieve. Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it so pleases the list…
Date: May 30, 2005 at 8:32:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Naloxone was added to stop people from shooting buprenorphine. It is
virtually inactive when taken sublingually but, will put you into immediate
withdrawal if taken IV.

Responses to switching to buprenorphine (agonist/antagonist) to a full
agonist (hydrocodone/vicodin) will depend on the dose of vicodin and individual
responses.

There is nothing wrong with returning to buprenorphine either as a
maintenance drug or to assist you in tapering. When it comes to tapering from opioids,
slower is better, particularly when you are dealing with school and home
issues.

Howard

In a message dated 5/30/05 11:42:24 AM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] fwd fwd reality creation
Date: May 30, 2005 at 7:46:36 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And……We’re not human remembering to be Spirit, We are spirit trying to be human. Juss gotta ‘member Hehheh, um, that which I um, forgot…….
urhhhh
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]  Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2005 11:21 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] fwd fwd reality creation

> Do not think for one Minute that you have a Soul. > On the Contrary… your Soul has you. > The Human Form or Instrument is created by Spirit > in order to experience the Plane of Earth. > You are only visiting this Plane. > This Plane of Existence is an enormous Movie Theater > into which you are born and live for a while. > Since you know nothing but this Theater > you think that this is the only Thing there is. > The Movie you’re watching is but a Dream. > Please wake up and discover who you really are. >  > YOU CAN NEVER OWN A PLACE YOU VISIT >
Namaste
Matthew
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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] fwd fwd reality creation
Date: May 30, 2005 at 7:20:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>                      Do not think for one Minute that you have a Soul.
>                            On the Contrary… your Soul has you.
>                      The Human Form or Instrument is created by Spirit
>                          in order to experience the Plane of Earth.
>                              You are only visiting this Plane.
>                     This Plane of Existence is an enormous Movie Theater
>                        into which you are born and live for a while.
>                           Since you know nothing but this Theater
>                       you think that this is the only Thing there is.
>                          The Movie you’re watching is but a Dream.
>                       Please wake up and discover who you really are.
>
>                             YOU CAN NEVER OWN A PLACE YOU VISIT
>

Namaste
Matthew

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 4:11:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i have gone after my recovery with all of everything that i have
inside. I have participated in getting funding for rehabs, i have
spoken to our senate and legisators about the needs out here for more
accessiblity. I do take responsibility for all of my actions, and
while not necessarily 100%, have put as much into this as i did
getting high.
I made it off methadone, almost off of buprenorphine, and back to
school in under 4 months. It’s not a matter of me waiting for someone
to fix me, it’s general frustration that help isn’t readily available.
i have had the luxury-and it IS a luxury- of much support from my
family, without whom i wouldn’t have made it this far. Not everyone
has that, and my frustration stems from the lacksidaisical(sp?)
attitude and the, “well, their only addicts” attitude that is always
in place. I think you’ve misunderstood what I meant. and i don’t mean
to come off like I’m attacking, but at the same time, there are alot
of very difficult choices to be made when you do live in an area where
they won’t even admit that there IS a problem.
tink
On 5/30/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 15:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn

The way I see it, at some point you have to empower YOURself to make the
change. If you keep the onus on other people to change you, then you’re just
disempowering yourself. You have to let go of this whole “Yes, but….”
attitude. Where you live and the social setting doesn’t matter. The whole
issue with change has ultimately nothing to do with outside circumstances,
and ultimately everything to do with your attitude. When you start to take
full personal responsibility for everything that happens in your life, then
change is gonna come pretty fast. It’s not so cool to not be able to blame
others, it’s a bit of a drag, really. It takes a lot of maturity and I
wouldn’t personally claim to be there by a long shot myself. But it does
work. We always have a choice, each of us, every instant we’re alive, to
stick with the “Yes, but…” or to take it on ourselves.

Nick

From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 4:07:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick and Matthew, both of you gave great comments that
are close to home for me. I don’t think I am in any
way unique with having had really bad experiences with
both doctors and therapists. Then moving towards the
more open ended and not western oriented ‘shamanic’
types, almost without exception I’ve found a lot of
new age people power tripping and acting like
egomaniacs about ‘spirituality’ and ‘shamanism’ they
could go off about spirit and integration, god, going
down to the depths and integrating all day long, but
when you take a look at who they are and their own
lives, it never looked like they were living any of
the great advice they kept giving.

I’m with matthew and if anybody knows someone
channeling the spirit of Jung, please let me in on it.
The closest thing I’ve found to true shamanism and
real knowledge of drugs and addiction, is mindvox. If
there is a mindvox therapist I still haven’t found
them at least not handing out business cards with the
word ‘shaman’ on them 😉

What has worked for me and still works, are group
settings. Like this one and in person, even if the
group isn’t perfect and really what group is, or
something happens that bothers me, if I get upset or
into a argument then sometimes it is only because
someone else is being an ass, but sometimes it does
help to make me aware of my own response and problems,
its like watching myself, but feeling safe and ok to
do that. Whatever the exact group dynamic, I usually
feel better afterwards, like a load was lifted, even
if I feel worse for a while getting to the good part
🙂

Carla B

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

I consider therapy bloody great, within the context
it operates in. It’s
like a total luxury really, having someone be
interested in all the little
dramas of my life, I think it’s fucking great.
Shamanism I think is also
great and I have been in quite a few sweat lodges
and soul retrieval
sessions, all this new age stuff. Though my
experience is that a lot of
shamen really lack social skills and real humanistic
awareness. They’re
acting out a bit of a healer trip really, getting
off on this whole
spiritual drama they can create. Which is also OK as
they can also give a
lot.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski
[mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 12:26
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed
Conn

that was very interesting…..however i can attest
to spilling my llllife
to “experienced therapists”
psychologists,hypntotists whatever with
disastrous results….it might be i havent fuond the
right one(if the spirit
of Jung is still conducting treatments pls drop me a
line)….

therapists when they hit a dead end are
mostly….”hmmm maybe we should
try another route………hmm how about something
for anxiety,
insomnia,depresion and if u are really bothering me
and hanging on my neck
i’ll prescribe some opiates too just so the next
time u come back u wont
keep talking all the time”…..

well that was my experience with whoever i saw so
i basicaly give up
…however seeing a shaman does sound like a really
good idea

…..i would love to read peoples experiences with
“therapists” thatt
actualy got them somewhere….love to all u my
people

Namaste
Matthew

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 4:08:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vermont is a special case. I had problems with Howard Dean on account of this medical marijuana position, but his stance on treatment on demand for addicts was even more reprehensible. There’s no sign that his vetoing methadone presaged a preference for more enlightened treatment options. His attitude, for a doctor, was more prosecutorial than medical when it came to treatment for addicts that was no thinly-veiled punishment. No wonder democrats keep on losing; on drugs they’re indistinguishable from republicans.

So far as I know there were two people in Vermont who were into ibogaine, and one of them just left. He had the cable show in Burlington; moved back to Chicago. The other, Denny Lane, lives way the fuck out at the end of a country road a couple of hours from Burlington. He’s a chronic pain patient who got iboga at Sara’s. Can’t do much.

Still, there’s a lot of potential in Vermont, especially if we can open up the clinic in Montreal.

Dana/cnw

On May 30, 2005, at 10:32 AM, tink wrote:

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 3:55:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 15:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn

Nick

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help for a friend in England
Date: May 30, 2005 at 3:27:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think there are some guys selling rootbark mail order over here, but I’d recommend more ordering from one of the two first places I list at www.ibogaine.co.uk/options.htm

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 20:01
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help for a friend in England

I have a friend in London that asked me the easiest way to get Ibogaine over there. Can’t you just order it in the mail in England? I’m not sure so I thought maybe Nick or somebody else in the UK could help me with some info. Any help appreciated. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help for a friend in England
Date: May 30, 2005 at 3:00:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] thought for the day
Date: May 30, 2005 at 12:33:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“the greatest good is like water
Which benefits all things
And yet it does not contend
It stays in places that others disdain
And therefore is close to the way of truth”
-Eighth chapter of the Tao te Ching

luv tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] so here’s a question I need answered sooner than later, if it so pleases the list…
Date: May 30, 2005 at 11:42:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 10:32:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think with a therapist it’s good to be realistic about what you want to
achieve. “I feel disconnected from people, I have trouble making friends,
I’m addicted to sex, I’m scared of intimacy, I want to stop using drugs” –
if you have clearly stated objectives it helps. If you are going to therapy
because the state or family are co-ercing then of course it’s not likely to
work so well. If you are going with the attitude “You! Fix me!” then of
course you are playing victim and putting it all on someone else to sort it
out, then for sure, again, it’s not likely to work.

I consider therapy bloody great, within the context it operates in. It’s
like a total luxury really, having someone be interested in all the little
dramas of my life, I think it’s fucking great. Shamanism I think is also
great and I have been in quite a few sweat lodges and soul retrieval
sessions, all this new age stuff. Though my experience is that a lot of
shamen really lack social skills and real humanistic awareness. They’re
acting out a bit of a healer trip really, getting off on this whole
spiritual drama they can create. Which is also OK as they can also give a
lot.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 12:26
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn

that was very interesting…..however i can attest to spilling my llllife to
“experienced therapists” psychologists,hypntotists whatever with disastrous
results….it might be i havent fuond the right one(if the spirit of Jung is
still conducting treatments pls drop me a line)….

therapists when they hit a dead end are mostly….”hmmm maybe we should try
another route………hmm how about something for anxiety,
insomnia,depresion and if u are really bothering me and hanging on my neck
i’ll prescribe some opiates too just so the next time u come back u wont
keep talking all the time”…..

well that was my experience with whoever i saw so i basicaly give up
…however seeing a shaman does sound like a really good idea

…..i would love to read peoples experiences with “therapists” thatt
actualy got them somewhere….love to all u my people

Namaste
Matthew
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 10:16:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick, your right. When I finally wanted help and found a good therapist I actually got better. Or should I say I became more focused on what I wanted to achieve. Randy

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:59:33 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think with a therapist it’s good to be realistic about what you want to achieve. “I feel disconnected from people, I have trouble making friends, I’m addicted to sex, I’m scared of intimacy, I want to stop using drugs” – if you have clearly stated objectives it helps. If you are going to therapy because the state or family are co-ercing then of course it’s not likely to work so well. If you are going with the attitude “You! Fix me!” then of course you are playing victim and putting it all on someone else to sort it out, then for sure, again, it’s not likely to work.

I consider therapy bloody great, within the context it operates in. It’s like a total luxury really, having someone be interested in all the little dramas of my life, I think it’s fucking great. Shamanism I think is also great and I have been in quite a few sweat lodges and soul retrieval sessions, all this new age stuff. Though my experience is that a lot of shamen really lack social skills and real humanistic awareness. They’re acting out a bit of a healer trip really, getting off on this whole spiritual drama they can create. Which is also OK as they can also give a lot.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: 30 May 2005 12:26
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn

Hi
that was very interesting…..however i can attest to spilling my llllife to “experienced therapists” psychologists,hypntotists whatever with disastrous results….it might be i havent fuond the right one(if the spirit of Jung is still conducting treatments pls drop me a line)….
therapists when they hit a dead end are mostly….”hmmm maybe we should try another route………hmm how about something for anxiety, insomnia,depresion and if u are really bothering me and hanging on my neck i’ll prescribe some opiates too just so the next time u come back u wont keep talking all the time”…..
well that was my experience with whoever i saw so i basicaly give up …however seeing a shaman does sound like a really good idea
…..i would love to read peoples experiences with “therapists” thatt actualy got them somewhere….love to all u my people

Namaste
Matthew

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:49:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks to the medical community being turned into a type of insurance
scam, i don’t think anyone is in any less danger than the average trip
to the er, at, say, beth israel where i was once told that i wasn’t
sick enough and to come back after my fever hit over 104. I walked
out the door and passed out, and they charged me for an ambulance ride
to get my body back into the little cubicle i had just walked from.
My friends wife went to get her thyroid checked, and was told she was
fine, no more tests required, but would she stay the night for
observation. The next day, she was given an extremely high dose of
radiation, due to a chart mix up, and died a half hour after she was
released from the hospital. There really IS danger in everything, and
it’s a choice not made lightly, to do iboga. well, by most. Rapid
detox kills, on average, 2-3 people a month, and THAT’s safe and
legal? I agree that info should be made available to all, but things
really ARE SHITTY AND FUCKED UP. Like, everywhere!! I know for a fact
that addicts have been guinea pigged on, becasue who’s going to
believe a junky? I rant, i rave, but i still don’t feel any better
about the state of affairs.
eh.
coffee and a cigarette
luv tink

On 5/30/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 28 May 2005 15:16
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

Nick wrote “There does seem to be something about ibogaine which
attracts the
trickster-sociopath type, if Chiel did fit this category. Or “medical
entrepreneur”, as Peter Cohen puts it. There have been a few. Then again,
who am I to talk?!”.

Nick

Then don’t say it. who cares?
well, there are sociopaths everywhere and in all levels.
they are sick people who need help,alright? they hope ibogaine can help
them and maybe it does help with some people.
Sara

Well, it’s true that I am gossiping a bit. But what I would also like to say
is that, on this list, so many people take the position that because other
things aren’t perfect it’s OK that things with ibogaine are a bit fucked up
too. Like, ibogaine is dangerous but because the other options are too it
doesn’t matter that we don’t tell it. Or that some people treating with
ibogaine are doing it from dubious motivations but this is also OK because
there are dodgy people in the White House or something. I just wanna say
that this is NOT my position and I find it just totally a fear position.
Anyone doing this, my view as a therapist, they are doing it because they
fear their own position with ibogaine is untenable. They have to justify a
lot of fuck-ups to not examine themselves.

If there are more deaths this should be publicized so that people are aware
and can make a better informed choice. If there are dodgy characters it’s ok
to talk and look a bit. That’s what I think.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 26 May 2005 16:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

A guy by the name of Chiel Coen, if I remember correctly, was
selling this
stuff at www.iboga.nl. I think he said they were from the Gabon and used
to
make a few big claims. I heard he had a alcohol problem and had
died a few
years back. Not sure if this was true.

There does seem to be something about ibogaine which attracts the
trickster-sociopath type, if Chiel did fit this category. Or “medical
entrepreneur”, as Peter Cohen puts it. There have been a few.
Then again,
who am I to talk?!

Nick

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:04 -0700 Rick Strcat
<rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’ve been having trouble finding answers to some questions I would
have thought would be in a FAQ somewhere, so I’ll try them here.
Any responses would be really welcome.

Suppose someone wanted to try to self-treat with ibogaine for
addiction interruption: is there a dosage that’s safe enough
take by oneself, but strong enough to still have some benefit?
If so, how would you calculate the dosage? This would be for a
low-level addiction (opiates, alcohol, cocaine) – no really
serious
withdrawals but lots of craving.

Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
days
for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
with
experience with this, especially with self-treatment.

Thanks.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine OT don’t read this
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:38:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and you said you were going to deal with your teeth :]
yeah, bushes were frequently visited by me in the not so distant past.
Dumpsters, when not full, work well for hiding, too, but you have to
be selective about which one you jump into. Especially in warmer
climates. Ewwwwwwww.
woke up feeling like a live wire was up my ass, shaking and twitching wee ha!
somebody shoot me, por favor.
til later
aloha
tink
hi biscuit boy’s mom!!! You ROCK!!!

On 5/30/05, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
I’m crouched behind a big bush watching the cops go by the party I was just
having fun at. Mother fuckers screw up a good thing every time. How was I to
know that Mr. Wrong was having a bad day. He must have run out of Chivas or
something. Shit when the party was going good he was leading the rhumba
line. We should have let him in on the coke we were snorting. Anyway, that
doesn’t explain the rocks I have in my hand. These damn cops need to learn a
lesson. My buddy Fuzzy lets the first one fly. Wham, direct hit. I can’t
believe how bright those lights are when they hit ’em and put the car in
reverse. Dumb asses, we’re already two streets over from where they sit with
the lights on and we’re laughin’ like hyena’s. We know every back yard cut
through and drainage ditch in the ‘hood’. No way they can catch us. More
later

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 9:14:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Matt, you are reading my mind. I’ve been therapized since 1972, (big surprize huh) and most if not all of them were…….how can I put this nicely?………….fuck it, they were dumber than a bag of hammers. PHD, QHD, DPH what the fuck ever those dudes,(and one woman) gave me a cornicopia of ups, downs, side ways, but never opiates. I could tell these people anything and they would believe it. Then tell my mother what I said. Good way to establish trust, huh? I played those assholes like a violin. That’s why I’m so emotionally grounded now aint it? I gotta go, the devil is telling me to kill all the orange lizards in the woods. I got work to do. Anybody have any Torfinil? I seem to be running low. Damn, I wish these cob webs would stay off of my face. Randy

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 30, 2005 at 7:26:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Namaste
Matthew

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine OT don’t read this
Date: May 30, 2005 at 7:13:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi brother
Keep em coming man…..good shit

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 30, 2005 at 7:05:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 28 May 2005 15:16
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 26 May 2005 16:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

Nick

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
days
for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
with
experience with this, especially with self-treatment.

Thanks.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine OT don’t read this
Date: May 30, 2005 at 6:43:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When is the movie coming out???
:o) (seruoussly) (and tinks….)
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 30 May 2005 5:37 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine OT don’t read this

I’m crouched behind a big bush watching the cops go by the party I was just having fun at. Mother fuckers screw up a good thing every time. How was I to know that Mr. Wrong was having a bad day. He must have run out of Chivas or something. Shit when the party was going good he was leading the rhumba line. We should have let him in on the coke we were snorting. Anyway, that doesn’t explain the rocks I have in my hand. These damn cops need to learn a lesson. My buddy Fuzzy lets the first one fly. Wham, direct hit. I can’t believe how bright those lights are when they hit ’em and put the car in reverse. Dumb asses, we’re already two streets over from where they sit with the lights on and we’re laughin’ like hyena’s. We know every back yard cut through and drainage ditch in the ‘hood’. No way they can catch us. More later

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine OT don’t read this
Date: May 30, 2005 at 1:37:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] that fucking dangling carrot
Date: May 29, 2005 at 7:47:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So I survived the weekend, as I inevitably do. I made it back to home
sweet home, and am hiding in my room, trying not to listen to the
ridiculous snippets from “ocean’s 12” that keep coming in from the
living room. Groovy soundtrack, though. Way groovy.
I had to give a talk on the evils of heroin and the impossibilities of
receiving decent care, and used it as an opportunity to open some eyes
to the daily struggles and bigger issues of recovery. It was
incredibly aggrevating to hear myself spouting the wonders of a
treatment that I can’t seem to get my hot little fingers wrapped
around. the response was wonderful, though, and it was nice to be
able to be honest about my shit and not feel the burn of the neon
junky sign that’s hung above my head for the last 18 or so years. I
could’ve done without the whole Q & A session about what bags look
like, do you have to use a spoon, how much is this, how did you do
THAT, WHY did you do that, and you can’t be serious, those aren’t
really ALL track marks;I didn’t know there were veins in your (fill in
the blank), and do they ever fade away more than that? Good
question-do they ever stop being angry purpley red pits, snakes, and
chasms of despair? I haven’t used anything involving needles in a
while, and my body still looks like I skipped naked through a mine
field. I don’t know if there’s that much cocoa butter in the world.
Some cuban guy in south beach was trying to convince me to bathe in my
own urine, occasionally drinking it to rid myself of them. i dunno
about THAT…
I can barely keep my eyes open, I’m out of subutex, and, except a
teeny little joint, haven’t the means to push through this with
assistance. Fun with a capitol F U!!!! That’s how i’m feeling, true
believers. fucked. but this too shall pass, and i leave you to your
own (de)vices. Have I mentioned it’s officially black fly season?
love you all for putting up with me
tink

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] sociopath/trickster – Ed Conn
Date: May 29, 2005 at 10:48:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The trickster/sociopath comment made by Nick is very relevant and deserves greater attention to detail. It is an accurate observation and one that effectively goes unanswered. What I guess you are saying is that providers of ibogaine tend to present or as you experience it have this aspect prevalent to their personalities. In some cases yes and in others no. The key to understnading this is in understanding developmental psychology and the formulation of personality constructs or expressions, and especially artound the area of ‘alternative’ health practioners shall we say. But even of that it is a sub set, and therefore we need to look more closely. Why certain ones and not others.

How this is traditionally explained is that as the consiousness is opened to more subtle or intrinsic levels of understanding, or information, some would say higher levels of consciousness, it causes arousal within the psyche. The consideration within this is the effect it has on the ego. The ego or central aspect of the personality as a result can shift, and infact shifting is in some cases what we want. It is in fact why in some cases people using ibogaine are lifted out of depression; the area of their psyche in which their core being was residing has been shifted. The danger is that this shift is not stabilised or grounded, that is maintained so that it can settle into a normal form of stasis. If it does not what we experience is what is called distortion. The distortion is expressed in the actions, language and expressions of that individual. It is the result of non integration of aroused material. It is why these practices of psychological arousal are always traditionally done in relation to a outside steadying figure, who has been through the changes themselves, understands the processes and has integrated and developed the ability to do it themselves. They know the terrain in other words. Historically this individual is called a shaman, in our modern times it is more often a psychotherapist; someone who has ascended and descended many many times under supervision and is effectively also a part of a community – a registered and maintained profession. The whole key to this is integration. The distortions are elements of unresolved material which therefore get acted out in social dynamics. Or get picked up on as Nick has done here. We are sensitive to these things as human beings.

The integration of aspects of personilites is often the journey into pain, it is through pain that the frozen aspects of personlity that have evolved through out a lifetime dissolve and thaw. The
persoanlity then shifts and becomes more archetypal – it is integrated. Integration is the pathway of growth, once integrated one advances toward being able to use this aspect of personality at will for expression, without its distortions. It has therefore become a facet, the more it is used the more it becomes polished. Think of people like psychological performers, where the trickster is present but the aspect of the sociopath has diminished, take it a step further and you have the saint – but again there is often a sense of comedy, but probably or maybe not so pointed. It is effectively then an evolutionary curve of growth and development.

The trickster is an archetypal persoanlity that exists in many cultures, it is the sociopath which suggests the presence on unresolved material or not having gone dep enough into persoanl material. The myth being that the use of entheogenic substances alone can do this, it can start the process of arousal of awareness but that is only the start. The peripheral areas of this being that it becomes a trap within itself pregnant with all sorts of allusions to therapy and the seeking of higher consciousness. It equally becomes a form of repression itself and the avoidance of pain. Arthur Janov makes this plainly clear when he says the desire in such behaviour is to chase the high, this therefore is no different to chasing the first hit of crack. It is chasing an experience in memory and idea rather than the engaging of relationship to life itself and the history of pain and rejection. Thus to do therapy properly it requires the curtailment of all drug usage, and that is the journey, freedom from the ghosts and phantoms of the psyche and all those things which prevent us from being who we can become.

As for the medical entrepreneur…well that’s another story.

Ed Conn.
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: C.S.I. T.V. Drama & iboga – Episode #416 – GETTING OFF (Fe…
Date: May 29, 2005 at 9:44:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Rach, when I was in Taos, New Mexico I met some for real back to living off
the land dudes. They were most defenitly into being self sufficiant. Taos has a
feel all of it’s own. At one point after eating an awsome breakfast burrito
(all veggie) we went next door to the pawn shop and looked at guns, they were
all well oiled and in good shape. All the guitars were in tune and they even
had a resinator slide guitar tuned to open G that played like a bitch. I wanted
it bad. Taos is a great place to be. I’d like to live there sometime.
Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] parents and school and detoxing, oh my!
Date: May 28, 2005 at 10:01:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And the beat goes on…
any happy thoughts would be greatly appreciated if sent this way.
luv
tink

*%)()(WEIRD WILD AND WHACKY HAPPY LAUGHY GIGGLY CHUCKLY SMILEY THOUGHTS TO
TINK”:&%&##%%@))))

LUFF KIRK

From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 28, 2005 at 6:42:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If it does help then I can’t help but mention it might help to give ibogaine to
everyone in the white house in the united states, maybe all politicos in all
countries. Nearly all of them show strong signs of having the disease of
sociopathy.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:

Nick wrote “There does seem to be something about ibogaine which

attracts the
trickster-sociopath type, if Chiel did fit this category. Or “medical
entrepreneur”, as Peter Cohen puts it. There have been a few. Then
again,
who am I to talk?!”.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 26 May 2005 16:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

A guy by the name of Chiel Coen, if I remember correctly, was
selling this
stuff at www.iboga.nl. I think he said they were from the Gabon and
used
to
make a few big claims. I heard he had a alcohol problem and had
died a few
years back. Not sure if this was true.

Nick

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:04 -0700 Rick Strcat
<rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

I’ve been having trouble finding answers to some questions I would
have thought would be in a FAQ somewhere, so I’ll try them here.
Any responses would be really welcome.

Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
days
for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
with
experience with this, especially with self-treatment.

Thanks.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] something a little less, well, depressing…
Date: May 28, 2005 at 5:02:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This Is a Perfect Moment

It’s a perfect moment for many reasons, but especially because you and
I are waking up from our sleepwalking thumbsucking dumbclucking
collusion with the masters of illusion and destruction.

Thanks to them, from whom the painful blessings flow, we are waking up.

Their wars and tortures,
their crimes against nature,

extinctions of species
and brand new diseases.

Their spying and lying
in the name of the father,
sterilizing seeds and
trademarking water.

Molestations of god,
celebrations of shame,
stealing our dreams and
changing our names.

Their ingenious commercials
and bloodsucking hustles,
their endless rehearsals
for the end of the world.

Thanks to them, from whom the painful blessings flow, we are waking up.

Their painful blessings are cracking open more and more gashes in the
shrunken and crippled mass hallucination that is mistakenly called
“reality.” And through the fractures, ripe eternity is flooding in;
news of the soul’s true home is pouring in; our allies from the other
side of the veil are swarming in: inspiring us to become smarter and
wilder and kinder and trickier.

We are waking up.

As heaven and earth come together, as the dreamtime and daytime merge,
we register the shockingly exhilarating fact that we are in
charge–you and I are in charge–of creating a brand new world. Not in
some distant time or faraway place, but right here and right now.

As we stand on this brink, as we dance on this verge, we can’t let the
ruling fools of the dying world sustain their curses. We have to rise
up and fight their insane logic; defy, resist, and prevent their
tragic magic; unleash our sacred rage and supercharge it.

But overthrowing the living dead is not enough. Protesting the
well-dressed monsters is not enough. We can’t afford to be consumed
with our anger; can’t be obsessed and possessed with their danger. Our
sweet animal bodies need love and fertility. Our imaginations crave
tastes of infinity.

In the New World that we are creating, we’ve got to be steeped in
lusty compassion and ecstatic duty, ingenious love and insurrectionary
beauty. We need radical curiosity and reverent pranks, voracious
listening and ferocious thanks.

So I’m curious, my fellow creators. Since you and I are in charge of
making a brand New World, where do we begin? What wild truths do we
want at the heart of our transformations? What fresh codes and stories
will be our oracles? What crafty questions and uplifting desires will
be our inspirations?

Here’s where I want to begin: with pronoia. Pronoia is the opposite of
paranoia–the antidote for paranoia.

Pronoia is the true theory that all of creation is conspiring to
shower you with blessings.

Pronoia is the guarantee that life always gives you exactly what you
need, exactly when you need it.

Pronoia says that everything alive is working very hard to liberate
you from ignorance and transform you into the gift of love you were
born to be.

I am allergic to dogma. I thrive on questions, and don’t trust any
idea that tempts me to believe in it absolutely. There are very few
perceptions or theories about which I am totally certain.

But I am absolutely certain that pronoia describes the way the world
actually is. Pronoia is wetter than water, truer than the facts, and
stronger than death. It smells like cedar smoke in early spring rain,
and if you close your eyes right now, you can feel it shimmering like
the aurora borealis in your soft, warm animal body.

Some Buddhists say the inherent nature of existence is suffering; they
long to escape into nirvana. Many Catholics say the inherent nature of
life is sinful; they long for the purified peace of heaven. But
pronoia assures us that the inherent nature of life is to liberate us.

Being born on the earth is the highest honor and greatest privilege.
To be alive as human beings gives us the chance to pull off exquisite
and Herculean feats of magic that are not possible in nirvana or
heaven or any other so-called paradise, higher dimension, or better
place.

I’m not exaggerating or indulging in poetic metaphor when I say this.
Visualize it if you dare.

The sweet stuff that quenches all of our longing is not far away in
some other time and place. It’s right here and right now.

As Elizabeth Barrett Browning knew, “Earth is crammed with heaven.”

-Rob Brezny
(from his Free Will Astrology site)

I am a mess, but I thank you all again for bearing with me as i slowly
drive myself in and out of the doldrums.
love
tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] parents and school and detoxing, oh my!
Date: May 28, 2005 at 4:27:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m at school, working on that story I’ve been writing,and having the
worse day. I made the switch from subutex to, well, other things, and
am living on the power of positive thinking, trying not to freak out
because I have no idea which way any of this will go now. Back to
feeling like everything is spiralling because I have no control over
the actions of others, whatever the intent might have been. Lost and
floating, and smiling at The Mommy Memoir Club as they escape their
families for some scholastic fun and heavy drinking. It’s hard to
focus on anything when there’s so much being made of things that I
just don’t understand. Pressure and pain are pressure and pain, but
my world won’t collapse if I haven’t finished a book annotation, and
these people are crying about it. Perspective check, tink.
I’m just tired and scared and have no one to sit across from right now
who understands anything at all about what i’m going through. i live
in a pretty isolated area, and even at school, what is considered a
‘big city’ here is more along the lines of a small suburb to me. At
least I ave the opportunity to go to school right now, though it’s
largely due to some hard core grant and scholarship investigation.
The school isn’t exactly first rate, but I do have a good adviser,
although he keeps looking at me like I’m an alien, freshly sprung from
the stomach of urban decay. They have no common reference point from
which to relate with me, and I have a big problem considering
pedicures a major event.
And the beat goes on…
any happy thoughts would be greatly appreciated if sent this way.
luv
tink

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 28, 2005 at 10:16:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 26 May 2005 16:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

A guy by the name of Chiel Coen, if I remember correctly, was selling this
stuff at www.iboga.nl. I think he said they were from the Gabon and used
to
make a few big claims. I heard he had a alcohol problem and had died a few
years back. Not sure if this was true.

Nick

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
days
for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
with
experience with this, especially with self-treatment.

Thanks.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment
Date: May 27, 2005 at 2:50:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 26 May 2005 16:48
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Low dosage self treatment

A guy by the name of Chiel Coen, if I remember correctly, was selling this
stuff at www.iboga.nl. I think he said they were from the Gabon and used to
make a few big claims. I heard he had a alcohol problem and had died a few
years back. Not sure if this was true.

Nick

In any case, beware: ibogaine resets tolerance for opiates, so
there is a danger of overdosing with them after ibogaine.

Has anyone actually tried doing a low-dosage regime over several
days
for addiction interruption? I’d really like to hear from anyone
with
experience with this, especially with self-treatment.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: C.S.I. T.V. Drama & iboga – Episode #416 – GETTING OFF (Feb 26 2004)
Date: May 27, 2005 at 1:16:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Fantastico plot analysis and breakdown, Father Beal. Especially
enjoyed the multiple imaginations triggered by the professed authorial
attempt to be “true to the Root.” An interesting philosophical field
to try to inhabit.

I saw the word “woe” the other day and laughed, because at one point
in his recovery, Jeff was so dang depressed he was all “Woe is me,”
for real, in the most poignant & profound way. I remember in his
post-treatment days, that he really wanted me to cut up this
pineapple, and he got so sad thinking I was never going to get it for
him. Our time matrices were quite different in that after-care
period. He wanted to eat lots of funky foods, and requested
unexpected beverages at unexpected times. 18 hours after his “flood”
I was feeding him cold meats and some kind of odd-flavored juice. We
trusted that he knew what was best for him.

Now more than 6 months out of his methadone detox, he’s lost his taste
for sugar & dropped some serious pounds (and pants size), even if
he’ll now join his Irish bride in a few more of her pints than he used
to. It’s really something. Thanks y’all for doing what you do and
projecting the healing vibe.

Saw a fun movie in Santa Cruz the other night, “off the map,” about a
back-to-the-land family near Taos, NM told mostly from the
coming-of-age transition of the 12-year old daughter. Sam Elliot
plays a guy who in a profound depression, & Joan Allen his gorgeous
earthmama “granddaughter of a Hopi woman” (??? although I won’t
question that too deeply ), and more cast & great landscape & New
Mexico energy.

It’s not just the Root, or a root, its a freedom root. Ambivalence
indeed about an illogically scheduled “drug” medicine like that.
Profound ambivalence.

Speaking of t.v., saw the 2nd or 3rd episode of “The West Wing,” where
the Chief of Staff starts attending the Vice President’s
hyperanonymous Meeting filled with powerful men. When is it going to
be a GOOD thing for all of us to have a recovering leader in the White
House???? When, Mr. President?????!

w/foggy love from the Pacific, rachel

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Poppies of Afghanistan
Date: May 27, 2005 at 10:47:57 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

since summer 2002 – after the taliban had vanished – berlin is flooded with cheap and good heroin from afghanistan. bush did a good job for the junkies here.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Poppies of Afghanistan
Date: May 27, 2005 at 10:11:54 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Poppies of Afghanistan

Published: May 27, 2005
It requires breathtaking audacity for United States officials to complain that efforts to curb opium poppy production in Afghanistan have been lagging because President Hamid Karzai “has been unwilling to assert strong leadership.” Washington waited almost two and a half years to heed Mr. Karzai’s calls for help on this problem.
Even now, the Bush administration is disproportionately concentrating on the most visible, but least effective approach, forcible crop eradication, which merely moves the problem around and enriches traffickers by raising the price of their opium holdings. It is also creating turmoil in rural areas during the run-up to this year’s crucial parliamentary elections.
Mr. Karzai was right to use his just-completed four-day visit to the United States to press for coordinating eradication with the crop substitution, agricultural credit and alternative development programs that would provide Afghanistan’s rural population with better ways to feed their families. The money that Washington has promised for those broader efforts has been lagging behind, and the planning that will be required to spend that money wisely has barely begun.
snip-
more at above URL

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Richard Harris <richardh_2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine maintenence
Date: May 27, 2005 at 3:42:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick, killer article. First thing I’ve read in a
long time that isn’t just repeating the same thing yet
again, great summary of low dosing and effects, much
appreciate all you do.

What I appreciate more then anything is that you did
not disrespect those who need narcotcs. Round of
applause for that one. You don’t ever judge anyone, at
least this is what I take from reading all of your
words, but a big problem and maybe it is only in my
head but I know I can’t be the only one, is disrespect
and a condescending attitude to people who really need
pain meds.

Most of this from people who don’t know anything about
either chronic pain management problems, or drug
addiction. “I used to drink too much or smoke
cigarettes” Whatev, fuck off.

Newsflash, but pain medications exist for a reason
other then getting high. Some of us are not going to
be off them and we are not all in denial and just
waiting for someone with a holier then thou attitude
to show us the light.

Maybe it is only me but the overall attitude I find
here is disrespect to anyone who needs pain meds. No
ifs and or buts. You’re using, you’re dirty, we’re
better then you. You didn’t understand what ibogaine
gave you, only I understand.

The only gripe I have and it is one I have with the
MindVox site too, is even using the cateogry “clean”
and “dirty” and yes I know you put them in quotes
Patrick, no hard feelings but I do want to point it
out.

If we can accept people who “western society” as you
put it Patrick, would say belong in a psych ward,
talking about demonic possession, their spiritual
journies and entities, then it should not be some huge
stretch to also be accepted as human beings not human
dirt.

“People are human beings, not the summation of their
symptomology” that’s one of your quotes Patrick.
Here’s another, “I am a human being and should be
judged by my actions, not what metabolites I’m
excreting in my urine”. That’s yours’ too.

Peace

Rich

— Dave Clark <rfdavec@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Patrick, thank you! My name is Dave and I’ve
been through alot to
say the least…I’m 45, I work as an electronic tech
programming and
troubleshooting…My wife is quite ill and stays in
bed most of the
time, she fades omre every day. presently I’m going
to a methadone
clinic in New Orleans La. and have been for almost
two years…I’m
just tired of this I do my work etc and am clean all
the time but this
meth I want to get off of it. To tell the truth I
miss my old self, I
miss the old Dave who was full of spiritualism,
happy all the time and
into a walk with God.
I miss my old self and someday want him back. I
don’t know if I will
ever do this because the road for me that led to
methadone didn’t
start with heroin and even at this late stage in the
game, I’ve not
done heroin more then twice and when I did it was
because my meds
weren’t doing the trick any longer and I missed all
the hoo haw ya’ll
dopefiends write about, to me it was another drug
that I tried, then
tried again when I thought the first time was bad
dope or some such,
but it did not work for me. I don’t know if that’s a
sad statement to
how high my tolerence is but the crux for me is I am
a pain management
person. I took a fall in my early 20’s and had the
roof of a building
I was wiring up fall on top of me. Long story short,
6 broken bones,
spinal injury, 3 years physical therapy,
acupuncture, no help.
I work sitting in a chair these days not because I
have to because my
disability pays more then enough of the bills, but
if I didn’t do
something I’d have gone stark raving bonkers long
ago.
I found your writings years ago, that led me to
mindvox, saw ya’all at
new orleans and you give a great show. You’re a big
inspiration, but
not one I thought had any use to my old self because
being clean is
not something I think can be done in my case, over
and out.
This here article is something I’ve never heard
about at all and
whatever does happen in the end, it is something I
want to try, your
ibogaine maintence with opiates at the same time is
something brand
new. When I thought I’ve heard about every miracle
ibogaine can do,
there’s a new one. I have a lot of questions, a lot
of thoughts, lot
of thinking to do but tonight you have given me
something I have not
had in a long time, hope. So maybe this might be for
me.
‘God bless you Patrick and God’s love to all the
freaks you’ve
gathered here, feels like a rainbow tribe gathering
online some of the
time, brings me back to happier times. I enjoy
reading ya’all, take
care
Dave

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From: Marcus <aktionman@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] For Patrick thank you!
Date: May 27, 2005 at 2:03:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanx kv!!!!!

On 5/26/2005, “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:

I was reading through mindvox, it’s in the articles section. I don’t
know what the url is for the pdf, but it’s here

Articles

The pdf is much easier to read, the html version uses the same style
MAPS does, which is tiny little letters on a beige background, very
hard to read or maybe it is my monitor.

Its the second article from the top, digital & epoptica Ibogaine in
the 21st Century:
Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance. I don’t know how long its been
there but it was not online last week.

On 5/19/05, Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m sorry I don’t know where it is online? I read the magazine MAPS
publishes, they have copies at a acupuncture center here.

On 19 May 2005 04:56:22 -0000, Marcus <aktionman@phantom.com> wrote:

could i getta link to this article?
thanx
marcus
On 5/19/2005, “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:

Patrick I wanted to apologize profusely, I had opportunity to read the
new issue of MAPS. Brilliant article! Thank you from the bottom of my
heart, this answered the questions I’ve been pestering you about for
months!

I am so very sorry to have been rude but you do know had you written
back one sentence saying your talk and so much more would be published
in the near future, I wouldn’t have carried on so!

Thank you, in one article I think you covered a hundred messages of
debate here about low dose and “maintenance” and you did answer with
great clarity about “dirty maintenance”. Thank you so much cutie,
you’re a brilliant young man and wrote something that hasn’t ever been
written about ibogaine before.

For the fifth or sixth time in this message, I am very sorry for being
rude before, there is so much anger here sometimes it’s easy to lose
sight of how much you are doing. Thank you!

To post one more point relevant to the last days here, MAPS did write
that the clinic in Mexico was shut down. They did not say why or
mention the death.

p,l,&u
marcus

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanx…. to the group
Date: May 27, 2005 at 2:10:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Is there anybody still remember me in here? I’m still clean and Ibogain is
very powerfull tool. But it’s very strong tool. My life is totaly
“normal”.
I’m working, smoking joint and I’m very happy. Thanks everybody but
specialy
Sara and Howard

Best Regards
Mustafa Izgi from Turkey

Hi Mustafa,
thanks for writing,
it’s good to know you are still clean,I wish you all the best.
be well,

Sara Glatt,

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From: Dave Clark <rfdavec@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine maintenence
Date: May 27, 2005 at 1:28:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Patrick, thank you! My name is Dave and I’ve been through alot to
say the least…I’m 45, I work as an electronic tech programming and
troubleshooting…My wife is quite ill and stays in bed most of the
time, she fades omre every day. presently I’m going to a methadone
clinic in New Orleans La. and have been for almost two years…I’m
just tired of this I do my work etc and am clean all the time but this
meth I want to get off of it. To tell the truth I miss my old self, I
miss the old Dave who was full of spiritualism, happy all the time and
into a walk with God.
I miss my old self and someday want him back. I don’t know if I will
ever do this because the road for me that led to methadone didn’t
start with heroin and even at this late stage in the game, I’ve not
done heroin more then twice and when I did it was because my meds
weren’t doing the trick any longer and I missed all the hoo haw ya’ll
dopefiends write about, to me it was another drug that I tried, then
tried again when I thought the first time was bad dope or some such,
but it did not work for me. I don’t know if that’s a sad statement to
how high my tolerence is but the crux for me is I am a pain management
person. I took a fall in my early 20’s and had the roof of a building
I was wiring up fall on top of me. Long story short, 6 broken bones,
spinal injury, 3 years physical therapy, acupuncture, no help.
I work sitting in a chair these days not because I have to because my
disability pays more then enough of the bills, but if I didn’t do
something I’d have gone stark raving bonkers long ago.
I found your writings years ago, that led me to mindvox, saw ya’all at
new orleans and you give a great show. You’re a big inspiration, but
not one I thought had any use to my old self because being clean is
not something I think can be done in my case, over and out.
This here article is something I’ve never heard about at all and
whatever does happen in the end, it is something I want to try, your
ibogaine maintence with opiates at the same time is something brand
new. When I thought I’ve heard about every miracle ibogaine can do,
there’s a new one. I have a lot of questions, a lot of thoughts, lot
of thinking to do but tonight you have given me something I have not
had in a long time, hope. So maybe this might be for me.
‘God bless you Patrick and God’s love to all the freaks you’ve
gathered here, feels like a rainbow tribe gathering online some of the
time, brings me back to happier times. I enjoy reading ya’all, take
care
Dave

From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Rite of passage question
Date: May 27, 2005 at 1:28:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ben can you please send the information to obtain another copy of the dvd it was a wonderful job and we would like to share it with freinds. thanx rocky

Ben De Loenen <daluna@mindvox.com> wrote:

Dear Shelley,

The format for the US is NTSC and the format for Europ is PAL. In
Australia for example it’s PAL too,…
For an overview, look at:

http://www.barrel-of-monkeys.com/graphics/prod/dvdplayers/tvideostds.html

Best Regards,

Ben De Loenen
Director/Producer

Op 26/5/2005 schreef “shelley krupa” :

>Good Day all you ibonauts, hey Im trying to buy the ib video ,but there are two formatsto choose form ,pal & ntsc ,does anyone know what that means?,humbly shell
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>Fakeplacebo wrote:Is there anybody still remember me in here? I’m still clean and Ibogain is
>very powerfull tool. But it’s very strong tool. My life is totaly “normal”.
>I’m working, smoking joint and I’m very happy. Thanks everybody but specialy
>Sara and Howard
>
>Best Regards
>Mustafa Izgi from Turkey
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanx…. to the group
Date: May 26, 2005 at 9:27:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mustafa,

So good to hear from you and so glad things are working out.

Howard

In a message dated 5/26/05 9:13:51 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:

Is there anybody still remember me in here? I’m still clean and Ibogain
is very powerfull tool. But it’s very strong tool. My life is totaly
“normal”.
I’m working, smoking joint and I’m very happy. Thanks everybody but specialy
Sara and Howard

Best Regards
Mustafa Izgi from Turkey

From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] For Patrick thank you!
Date: May 26, 2005 at 6:39:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was reading through mindvox, it’s in the articles section. I don’t
know what the url is for the pdf, but it’s here

Articles