Ibogaine List Archives – 2003-07

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: addiction not curablel
Date: July 31, 2003 at 6:19:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hum … we should, like, fer instance, start a BEST OF section for
ibogaine-related email.  Todaze comes from ibogaine.org.

HelLo.  I am oN drugZ and Using the (omputer.  I have momentarily set down
my crackpipe and stopPed downloading pr0n to wr1te ewe a letter, sharing
my thotz.  GoddDamN KeyBored keeps MOVING.

Furthermore,

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: addiction not curablel
Date: July 31, 2003 at 3:00:46 AM EDT
To: digital@phantom.com

news flash…

I can type drunk too!

-d

— Alan Sutherland <asutherland14@cogeco.ca> wrote:
From: “Alan Sutherland” <asutherland14@cogeco.ca>
To: <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: addiction not curablel
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:36:14 -0400

hi editor; fter recoveing from alcholism for 20 years stil thi myself lcholic
addiction is conditioned reflex cuabl e onl death i support thacovery is
possible thru 12step program which guides spirtual gowth without which oesing
of addiction is possible regards al. s.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Date: July 31, 2003 at 6:08:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey you

You are WHO and interested in WHAT for WHAT?

Since you are on one of the ibogaine lists, can I
assume ibogaine? For you? (stats/history/about is
helpful) For addiction? For someone else? (ditto) For
non-addiction reasons? Do you want a Bwiti Ritual? Do
you want ibo as a doping agent for your next sporting
event? Do you want it for its aphrodisiac properties?
Its mood elevation properties? Are you a baren woman
trying to find a fertility drug (no iboga fruit around
though)? Do you need it softer, more spiritual and
natural or have deep issues you need dug up with a
crow bar? Ibo, and its flavors do this and more,
different form of ibo is a bit different, ibo also has
different effects at different dosages, it is a
sedative and stimulant for example. It even effects
boys and girls somewhat differently, unless you are a
different species, then it also effects you
differently. It is also highly unpredictable, I don’t
know if 100mg test dose will knock you on your ass or
do nothing, I don’t know if a full dose will have the
same effect, usually it works just fine though (don’t
mean to scare you, just make a point).

Not looking to break your chops but ibogaine has many
uses, it also effects people differently, typically
different addictions have more specific responses (ie
methadone is a bit different than dope which is
different than doing non-opiates…

While you are thinking of answers, go to ibogaine.org,
ibogaine.org/manual.html (follow the links is helpful)
and ibogaine.co.uk or if you are like way too fucked
up to figure it out ask us something like; “I am
interested it. Can You tell me some more info”.

OK yes it works far better than all the drug
treatments combined times some huge number – for me.
Lets see, quit coke/alcohol (after a “run”, counted
gone/dead I returned from treatment literally
levitating and at peace), a year ago the cigarettes
went too… by then though the second I put them down
I knew without any doubt that I was a non-smoker, and
that I still am, not one and don’t care to.

Meanwhile, Geez, I feel yucky. My pain doc is fucking
with me and so is the medication, the 12 hour tabs
that I am taking every 8 hours don’t work. The doc has
control issues with the meds so while he gets his shit
together I am going off. This is like way too
complicated, no wonder I gave up on doctors 17 years
ago and just drank, much cheaper, simple, to the
point, the bartender doesn’t care but listens. Why am
I not taking ibo for this you ask, for 30mg oxycontin,
that is a baby addiction, I’ll live. Anyway, good
practice don’t you think?

Really though, don’t mind me, I am just blowing off
steam, am really detoxing from pain meds w/o ibo, have
done ibo for both pre and post real addiction. It took
me several tries at it, then some more “boosters” as I
call them. These days I do just do sick things like
get myself addicted to pain meds and then just detox
to prove how (sick) healthy I am and NO I don’t have
control issues, what gave you that idea? (anyone on
medication DO NOT DO WHAT I DO, I AM DEEPLY DISTURBED)

$%^&*ing doctor… meanwhile I guess it could be
worse, he could know about my former life <hee hee>
and then really put the control screws, sign this
contract, pee here… geez. I never got the point or
have seen any use in people doing things to protect me
from me, the best it has done is provide me an excuse
to use/drink, and with good reason.

Anyone know if it is cheaper to get your drugs from
the doctor/pharmacy or illegally? That is not
including lawyers, fines and other things that happen
after getting caught? That only happens to other
people you know.

Really though ibo works, do you?

And like if you have a name, that is also helpful.

Brett
— yojeda@bellsouth.net wrote:
I am interested it. Can You tell me some more info.
Thanks

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From: <yojeda@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [ibogaine] info
Date: July 30, 2003 at 3:03:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am interested it. Can You tell me some more info. Thanks

From: JSchran@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Hopi prophecies
Date: July 30, 2003 at 1:56:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sue;
I have long known about the Hopi prophecies, but if you trace North American Indian folk lore you will find that many speak, perhaps not as direct of this time. I have just returned from Peru and met the Q’ero at 13,000 feet on a hill top. Their message is also a warning. People had better wake up and get their hearts RECONNECTED to Pachamomma(Earth Mother) who is VERY ALIVE and Well. Too bad the same can’t be said for her children. Be PEACE! Jim

From: nodoff@wetnightmare.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Hopi prophecies
Date: July 30, 2003 at 10:39:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In the late 80’s I watched a video of this presentation by Lee Brown, a Hopi
Indian.His speech was simple, but powerful. Just happened to come across a
transcript and wish to share- any reaction? regards, Sue
http://www.alaska.net/~peace/hopi.htm

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibogaine presentations
Date: July 29, 2003 at 11:13:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please be advised of a very interesting presentation on ibogaine.

http://www.csam-asam.org/2003SOA/2003Index.htm

California Society for Addiction Medicine

Addiction Medicine State of the Art 2003
October 8-11, 2003, Radisson-Miyako Hotel, San Francisco

Conference Schedule

Thursday, October 9

3:50 Clinical Aspects of Ibogaine
Deborah C. Mash, PhD, Professor of Neurology, University of Miami School of
Medicine

4:20 Ibogaine Analogues: Drug Development for Addictive Disorders
Stanley Glick, PhD, MD, Professor and Director, The Center for
Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience,
Albany Medical Center, Albany, NY

4:50 What Can Ibogaine Teach Us About the Mechanisms Underlying Addiction?
Dorit Ron, PhD, Assistant Professor of Neurology, Ernest Gallo Clinic &
Research Center, UCSF

5:20 Panel Discussion

From: Jon Freedlander <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 29, 2003 at 7:16:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Man, you people have no sense of humour…

LIGHTENING HIT A DISNEY GIRAFFE!

Granted, it would’ve been funnier if it had hit Cinderella’s Castle, or
that stupid EPCOT ball thing..

I wonder how you go about removing a charred giraffe corpse?

Anyway, for the person who asked about Bwiti music (see i’m making this
post on topic), you can buy it from Smithsonian Folkways. I don’t know
their website offhand, but you can look it up on Google or something..

From: “Mary Adams” <m.adams01@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 29, 2003 at 11:42:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m American and I fail to see the humor.

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:34:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

Sorry , Am I missing something.  I can’t quite see the humour in that or is it some Americanism I’m missing.   Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 25 July 2003 1:06:19 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

This is from the vox list, not exactly on topic here but too funny 🙂

..:vector:.

— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
> From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
> To: <vox@mindvox.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:17 -0500
> Subject: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
>
> http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/07/030723disney.shtml
>
> Lightning kills giraffe at Disney’s Animal Kingdom
> an Associated Press report 7/23/03
> LAKE BUENA VISTA – Lightning struck and killed a giraffe at Disney’s
> Animal Kingdom theme park, company officials said Wednesday.
>
> The accident occurred Monday afternoon as a severe lightning storm
> moved over the Kilimanjaro Safari attraction, where Betsy the giraffe
> roamed as visitors passed through, Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder
> said.
>
> A necropsy confirmed that the 6-year-old female giraffe was killed by
> lightning, Ledder said.
>
> “To the best of my knowledge, it was a quick death,” she said. It was
> unclear if any tourists saw the lighting strike.
>
> Betsy was the first animal to die from a lightning strike at the
> central Florida theme park, she said.
>
> “It’s very unfortunate and unusual … but it has happened in the
> past” at other U.S. parks, Ledder said.
>
> The park has lightning rods placed throughout the safari area to
> protect animals, she said. Animals can also be brought inside during
> severe weather, but the lightning storm came through with too little
> warning, she said.
>
>

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From: Nick Labus <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 29, 2003 at 1:55:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you sick bastards maybe if it was one of the salesmen or buisness men from disney but not a poor defenslese giraffe they are so cool i dont see the humor either i see the sadness though!tgoodson7 <tgoodson7@cox.net> wrote:
I don’t get it, either, and I am from N.W. Fla.
Tommy G.
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

Sorry , Am I missing something.  I can’t quite see the humour in that or is it some Americanism I’m missing.   Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 25 July 2003 1:06:19 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

This is from the vox list, not exactly on topic here but too funny 🙂

..:vector:.

— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
> From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
> To: <vox@mindvox.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:17 -0500
> Subject: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
>
> http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/07/030723disney.shtml
>
> Lightning kills giraffe at Disney’s Animal Kingdom
> an Associated Press report 7/23/03
> LAKE BUENA VISTA – Lightning struck and killed a giraffe at Disney’s
> Animal Kingdom theme park, company officials said Wednesday.
>
> The accident occurred Monday afternoon as a severe lightning storm
> moved over the Kilimanjaro Safari attraction, where Betsy the giraffe
> roamed as visitors passed through, Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder
> said.
>
> A necropsy confirmed that the 6-year-old female giraffe was killed by
> lightning, Ledder said.
>
> “To the best of my knowledge, it was a quick death,” she said. It was
> unclear if any tourists saw the lighting strike.
>
> Betsy was the first animal to die from a lightning strike at the
> central Florida theme park, she said.
>
> “It’s very unfortunate and unusual … but it has happened in the
> past” at other U.S. parks, Ledder said.
>
> The park has lightning rods placed throughout the safari area to
> protect animals, she said. Animals can also be brought inside during
> severe weather, but the lightning storm came through with too little
> warning, she said.
>
>

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From: “tgoodson7” <tgoodson7@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 29, 2003 at 12:00:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t get it, either, and I am from N.W. Fla.
Tommy G.
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

Sorry , Am I missing something.  I can’t quite see the humour in that or is it some Americanism I’m missing.   Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 25 July 2003 1:06:19 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

This is from the vox list, not exactly on topic here but too funny 🙂

..:vector:.

— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
> From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
> To: <vox@mindvox.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:17 -0500
> Subject: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
>
> http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/07/030723disney.shtml
>
> Lightning kills giraffe at Disney’s Animal Kingdom
> an Associated Press report 7/23/03
> LAKE BUENA VISTA – Lightning struck and killed a giraffe at Disney’s
> Animal Kingdom theme park, company officials said Wednesday.
>
> The accident occurred Monday afternoon as a severe lightning storm
> moved over the Kilimanjaro Safari attraction, where Betsy the giraffe
> roamed as visitors passed through, Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder
> said.
>
> A necropsy confirmed that the 6-year-old female giraffe was killed by
> lightning, Ledder said.
>
> “To the best of my knowledge, it was a quick death,” she said. It was
> unclear if any tourists saw the lighting strike.
>
> Betsy was the first animal to die from a lightning strike at the
> central Florida theme park, she said.
>
> “It’s very unfortunate and unusual … but it has happened in the
> past” at other U.S. parks, Ledder said.
>
> The park has lightning rods placed throughout the safari area to
> protect animals, she said. Animals can also be brought inside during
> severe weather, but the lightning storm came through with too little
> warning, she said.
>
>

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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 29, 2003 at 9:33:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry , Am I missing something.  I can’t quite see the humour in that or is it some Americanism I’m missing.   Allison
——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 25 July 2003 1:06:19 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

This is from the vox list, not exactly on topic here but too funny 🙂

..:vector:.

— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
> From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
> To: <vox@mindvox.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:17 -0500
> Subject: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
>
> http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/07/030723disney.shtml
>
> Lightning kills giraffe at Disney’s Animal Kingdom
> an Associated Press report 7/23/03
> LAKE BUENA VISTA – Lightning struck and killed a giraffe at Disney’s
> Animal Kingdom theme park, company officials said Wednesday.
>
> The accident occurred Monday afternoon as a severe lightning storm
> moved over the Kilimanjaro Safari attraction, where Betsy the giraffe
> roamed as visitors passed through, Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder
> said.
>
> A necropsy confirmed that the 6-year-old female giraffe was killed by
> lightning, Ledder said.
>
> “To the best of my knowledge, it was a quick death,” she said. It was
> unclear if any tourists saw the lighting strike.
>
> Betsy was the first animal to die from a lightning strike at the
> central Florida theme park, she said.
>
> “It’s very unfortunate and unusual … but it has happened in the
> past” at other U.S. parks, Ledder said.
>
> The park has lightning rods placed throughout the safari area to
> protect animals, she said. Animals can also be brought inside during
> severe weather, but the lightning storm came through with too little
> warning, she said.
>
>

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From: IBOGA Foundation <iboga@guest.arnes.si>
Subject: [ibogaine] Bwiti music
Date: July 29, 2003 at 5:59:59 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

I know this was ON before, but I don’t have my computer (at the moment)
and a friend asked me if there is any Bwiti music available? Would buy
CD(s).

Thx,

Marko

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 28, 2003 at 11:43:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/03 2:56:39 AM, randyhencken@hotmail.com writes:

FDA dropped the ball.

Sorry, the fda did not drop the ball.  They put it in the game.

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 28, 2003 at 11:42:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

Why wait till someone is in jail.  Do a CIA job.  Just dump kgs of ibogaine
into heroin using neighborhoods.  Let’s skip jail entirely.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/03 2:56:39 AM, randyhencken@hotmail.com writes:

You have an interesting prosepective and I will take it into account.
It sure would be nice if we could make Ibogaine available to anyone who
wanted
it.  I have always though that it would be great to have in jails.
A junkie comes in for petty theft.  He is facing sitting in jail for 48
hours to two weeks.  He is giiving the option to sit in a cell and go
through cold turkey or take the magic pill.  I bet we would see a huge
change in the face of addiction and drug use in society if this were the
case.  Hey,  I think that is a pretty damn good idea.  Anybody on this
list well connected?  CIA? DEA? Wardens?  If you guys want to do some good
for
us put this jail idea into acton.  You could pick up where the pharmaceutical
companies and the FDA dropped the ball.

From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 28, 2003 at 10:55:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brett,

You have an interesting prosepective and I will take it into account.  It sure would be nice if we could make Ibogaine available to anyone who wanted it.  I have always though that it would be great to have in jails.

A junkie comes in for petty theft.  He is facing sitting in jail for 48 hours to two weeks.  He is giiving the option to sit in a cell and go through cold turkey or take the magic pill.  I bet we would see a huge change in the face of addiction and drug use in society if this were the case.  Hey,  I think that is a pretty damn good idea.  Anybody on this list well connected?  CIA? DEA? Wardens?  If you guys want to do some good for us put this jail idea into acton.  You could pick up where the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA dropped the ball.

Peace,
Randy

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:39:55 -0700 (PDT)

Carla

“> Are you still the same person with the same
> perspective on yourself ”

No, speaking for myself. Yes I am the same person but
minus a shitload of demons flying around in my head
causing a traffic jam. I am absolutely NOT the same
person who use to abuse drugs, smoke cigarettes, drink
etc, I no-longer do those things, no longer crave
those things (yuck), can’t even believe it was me that

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 28, 2003 at 6:39:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla

“> Are you still the same person with the same
perspective on yourself ”

No, speaking for myself. Yes I am the same person but
minus a shitload of demons flying around in my head
causing a traffic jam. I am absolutely NOT the same
person who use to abuse drugs, smoke cigarettes, drink
etc, I no-longer do those things, no longer crave
those things (yuck), can’t even believe it was me that
did those things (yeah, I was there…). That is to
say they have been extracted from me in a way
absolutely impossible otherwise, so yes I am different
and thankfully so is my perspective. “Addiction”, that
thing that had my life and my soul for so long, is
gone from me basically, like it is alien to me; fyi
it’s been a while since my last booster and I don’t
“feel” a “need”. I take narcotic pain medication and
just dropped the dose, some withdrawal was involved. I
wouldn’t do any back-up meds because I wanted to
adjust to the new dose see my reactions/if I could do
it. As long as I am safe, not dealing with the world
(or anything really), I am relatively comfortable, at
peace; in a Yoga position is a good place for example,
finding the car keys is a very BAD place, so would
driving. Whatever magic that I saw in the drugs, it is
gone from me in a way unobtainable any other way
period.

Randy, it is highly likely your perspective on doing
ibogaine multiple times would change say if you did
4-6 doses (12mg/kg range or better) over 2, 3, 4…
years. IMO the difference in taking ibogaine to get
clean and taking it on ones own terms sober is a
different experience, like night and day maybe. I
would not want to judge how and what one experience
would do for me by the other, or even if I thought I
“needed” it or wanted it. Once upon a time, I thought
that was how it worked, just do the ibo, then all the
work is up to you… For me that is outright not true
(a one shot deal followed by enough willingness and
effort). Believe me I TRIED THAT and then after
another dose then after another… then gave up and
just did boosters… they accumulate, THINGS CHANGE
and wonder of wonders I don’t need boosters any
longer. Things changed.

“.  We will do the end user a greater
good if we tell them from
the get go that it isn’t about how many times you
take ibo, it is about how
hard you try after you take ibo.”

We will do the end user the greater good if we don’t
keep score. It is NOT (IMO) about one or the other, it
is about both the ibo and the effort and getting clean
(and of course the end result). I have also seen ibo
do some interesting things to the “unwilling” ( both
before, during and after) so I couldn’t ever say “100%
of the time there will be no gain from taking ibo
without putting in any effort”, that would be false.
IBO does stuff beyond just detox, just as it is, right
on its own, no effort but not 0% and not 100%. I will
BET you that if you dosed every single addict with
25mg/kg of HCL, you would have a shitload of success
stories, some no doubt would put in more effort cause
the ibo makes it easier to do so.

Brett

I used to think this was true. I know that this
conversation has happened here a lot of time in the
past. But I think that ibogaine does more then just
detoxes you. I cant say this as well as its been
said here before by others. but patrick, howard,
others have all mentioned the same thing.

Are you still the same person with the same
perspective on yourself and your life, after you’ve
done ibogaine 3 or 4 times or does it make no
difference? Hasn’t everyone here said that it gives
them something different with each experience?

I know that for me I made i made a lot of changes,
but
the experiences I had with doing ibogaine had a lot
to
do with being able to make those changes. Just
saying
its a detox isnt doing justice to what it does.
Maybe
alot of people also have different bottoms and what
they have to deal with when they get off ibogaine.

Most of what I hear people tell me about ibogaine on
the street is almost all not based on anything true.
I
am at least meeting people who have heard of it
though. this was not the case 2 years ago!

I’m not sure if I’m making sense or not its late I
wanted to make sure you understood I wasn’t arguing
with you at all just saying my opinion.

Carla B

— Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com> wrote:
Brett, Sara,

I have no problem with people doing Ibo several
times.  I have no problem
with people doing whatevr they need/wish to do to
get by/improve etc.
CURRENTLY, I don’t wish to do ibogaine again.  I
got
what I neede out of it,
so far.  I never know, maybe some day it will call
upon me to use it again.
There are many doors and tools to life.

I would like ibogaine to be presented in a honest
manner to the world.
There is a lot of folklore about ibo on the
streets.
A buddy of mine met a
junkie recently who said that he had heard that
ibogaine had a %98 success
rate in curing heroin addiction.  These rumors do
not help the cause or the
end user.  People who are going to use ibogaine to
treat addiction, both the
provider and the user, should be informed of the
realities and not the
folklore.  Give them the straight scoop.  Ibogaine
will get you clean – you
have to stay clean.  If you relapse, fine, you may
need to do ibogaine
again, fine.  But the cure isn’t inside of the
ibogaine.  The cure is inside
of the addict.  We will do the end user a greater
good if we tell them from
the get go that it isn’t about how many times you
take ibo, it is about how
hard you try after you take ibo.

more later, maybe
Peace,
Randy

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 27, 2003 at 1:20:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I used to think this was true. I know that this
conversation has happened here a lot of time in the
past. But I think that ibogaine does more then just
detoxes you. I cant say this as well as its been said
here before by others. but patrick, howard, others
have all mentioned the same thing.

Are you still the same person with the same
perspective on yourself and your life, after you’ve
done ibogaine 3 or 4 times or does it make no
difference? Hasn’t everyone here said that it gives
them something different with each experience?

I know that for me I made i made a lot of changes, but
the experiences I had with doing ibogaine had a lot to
do with being able to make those changes. Just saying
its a detox isnt doing justice to what it does. Maybe
alot of people also have different bottoms and what
they have to deal with when they get off ibogaine.

Most of what I hear people tell me about ibogaine on
the street is almost all not based on anything true. I
am at least meeting people who have heard of it
though. this was not the case 2 years ago!

I’m not sure if I’m making sense or not its late I
wanted to make sure you understood I wasn’t arguing
with you at all just saying my opinion.

Carla B

— Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com> wrote:
Brett, Sara,

I have no problem with people doing Ibo several
times.  I have no problem
with people doing whatevr they need/wish to do to
get by/improve etc.
CURRENTLY, I don’t wish to do ibogaine again.  I got
what I neede out of it,
so far.  I never know, maybe some day it will call
upon me to use it again.
There are many doors and tools to life.

I would like ibogaine to be presented in a honest
manner to the world.
There is a lot of folklore about ibo on the streets.
A buddy of mine met a
junkie recently who said that he had heard that
ibogaine had a %98 success
rate in curing heroin addiction.  These rumors do
not help the cause or the
end user.  People who are going to use ibogaine to
treat addiction, both the
provider and the user, should be informed of the
realities and not the
folklore.  Give them the straight scoop.  Ibogaine
will get you clean – you
have to stay clean.  If you relapse, fine, you may
need to do ibogaine
again, fine.  But the cure isn’t inside of the
ibogaine.  The cure is inside
of the addict.  We will do the end user a greater
good if we tell them from
the get go that it isn’t about how many times you
take ibo, it is about how
hard you try after you take ibo.

more later, maybe
Peace,
Randy

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Your article, overcoming addition – heroin times
Date: July 24, 2003 at 10:13:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That was a funny message that arrived in the middle of the ibogaine and
addiction conversation. Especially since Patrick wrote it last year :-
)

Bro, this is a really good article. I like it. Nice combination of obnoxious
and honest 🙂 It still trips me out seeing a giant sized Mindvox logo
in the middle of Heroin Times. A little different then all the other
content.

http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

What I wanted to say to you bro is you can write. I knew you could write
already but I mean you can write prose. At the risk of supersizing your
already large ego bro, you are f*cking good!

The only bad thing about your writing is that you don’t send any copies
to me. I have to go to Francis house to read it and he won’t let me copy
it and never bothers to mention that he is reading from it. That is another
total trip bro, you have the dope fiends and entheogen freaks in the
same room grooving on the same headtrip. Right on bro!

I wanted to leave you with some great advice from Jerry Stahl. It’s scanned
in from a flyer when I was at his book tour. I hated Permanent Midnight
but love seeing him live. He’s another obnoxious and funny motherf*cker
🙂

CONFESSIONS OF A CELEBRITY DOPE FIEND
ADVICE FOR RISING JUNK-STARS
BY JERRY STAHL

I can’t give a whole lot of pointers on how to destroy your life. That’s
something you either have a gift for or you don’t.

However, once you’ve gone ahead and savaged your own reality and that
of everyone around you with your drug-addled, by-the-numbers one-man
asshole party, and managed to mold the experience into an appropriately
self-obsessed and titillating toxic product — be it book, movie or
after-school special — it’s time to get out there and work it. So
this is for you, Mr. or Ms. Ex–Low Bottom Substance Abuser. You’ve
made the decision to mine your own shame to make those cash registers
ring. And, by way of giving a little something back, I’d like to help
out with some good advice.

1. TAKE CARE OF YOUR TRACKS

Naively assuming that the worst scars left by drug addiction are external,
talk-show hosts boast an epic fascination with tracks. While you might
see your Braille-like flesh as fallout from a darker time, take heed!
When you, the newly minted celebrity junkie, step out under the lights,
these needle marks will be your greatest friends.

2. IF YOU WRITE A MEMOIR ABOUT HOW YOU DID DRUGS AND THEN, AFTER A FEROCIOUS
AND NOBLE DRAMA, MANAGED TO GET OFF THEM, TRY NOT TO RELAPSE BEFORE YOUR
BOOK TOUR

This can be tricky! But trust me, having banged out my own little how-
I-got-off-the-hard-stuff saga, then started using again before the ink
dried on the manuscript, I can tell you, it’s no picnic when Oprah
leans in to ask you how long you’ve been clean and you realize that,
no matter how hard you pray, the studio floor is not going to open up
and swallow you and your TV suit. (Can you go to jail for lying on network
television? I’ll let you know.)

If, like many a former fiend, you’ve felt like a loser for so long
that sudden “success” is as weird as Ed McMahon showing up naked in your
kitchen clutching a wad of 50s between his man-paps, be careful. Learn
from my mortifying behavior. Having graduated from 38-year-old retard
working at McDonald’s to 39-year-old author being feted by Esquire,
I was thrown by the transition.

There I was, sitting in my hotel room on Broadway after a Brooklyn literary
soiree on my behalf, when suddenly the TV news launched into a story
about “a plague of heroin on 48th and Eighth.”

“Well, gee,” I thought to myself, “I used to be a journalist, I better
investigate!”

The lesson being, if you’re going to dine out on killing the monkey
on your back, don’t keep feeding it scraps.

3. WHEN PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA ASK YOU HOW YOU DID IT, JUST SAY “OPRAH!”

Trust me, you don’t want to get spiritual with some ho-bag from E!
who wants the lowdown on Glitzed-up former needle jockeys. Remember the
Eternal Rule of Media Whoredom: If you’re sincere, you’ll sound like
a simp. If you’re ironic, you’ll come off like an obnoxious blowhard.
Best to turn it around and ask whoever’s got a mike in your face if
they ever came to mouth-down in a pool of vomit and Bromo Seltzer in
the Health ’n’ Beauty Aisle at Vons . . . Make it about them, and
you’re off the hook.

(Patrick, this next one’s especially for you bro 😉

4. GROUPIES: SHOULD YOU BE WORRIED IF YOU HAVE THEM?

Ask yourself this question, junk-stars: Having laid out the most vile,
repulso, disgustingly gruesome details of your life in the dope fiend
trenches, do you really want to get smushy with some gal who finds the
arcana of your self destruction “a real, like, turn-on”?

The bottom line: Be careful. If somebody knows who you used to be and
still finds you attractive, she has more problems than you do. This means
she’s out on a day-pass from the mental hospital.

Peace out,
Curtis

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: July 24, 2003 at 8:54:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is from the vox list, not exactly on topic here but too funny 🙂

.:vector:.

— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
To: <vox@mindvox.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:31:17 -0500
Subject: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY

http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/07/030723disney.shtml

Lightning kills giraffe at Disney’s Animal Kingdom
an Associated Press report 7/23/03
LAKE BUENA VISTA – Lightning struck and killed a giraffe at Disney’s
Animal Kingdom theme park, company officials said Wednesday.

The accident occurred Monday afternoon as a severe lightning storm
moved over the Kilimanjaro Safari attraction, where Betsy the giraffe
roamed as visitors passed through, Disney spokeswoman Diane Ledder
said.

A necropsy confirmed that the 6-year-old female giraffe was killed by
lightning, Ledder said.

“To the best of my knowledge, it was a quick death,” she said. It was
unclear if any tourists saw the lighting strike.

Betsy was the first animal to die from a lightning strike at the
central Florida theme park, she said.

“It’s very unfortunate and unusual … but it has happened in the
past” at other U.S. parks, Ledder said.

The park has lightning rods placed throughout the safari area to
protect animals, she said. Animals can also be brought inside during
severe weather, but the lightning storm came through with too little
warning, she said.

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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 24, 2003 at 8:57:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brett, Sara,

I have no problem with people doing Ibo several times.  I have no problem with people doing whatevr they need/wish to do to get by/improve etc.  CURRENTLY, I don’t wish to do ibogaine again.  I got what I neede out of it, so far.  I never know, maybe some day it will call upon me to use it again.  There are many doors and tools to life.

I would like ibogaine to be presented in a honest manner to the world.  There is a lot of folklore about ibo on the streets.  A buddy of mine met a junkie recently who said that he had heard that ibogaine had a %98 success rate in curing heroin addiction.  These rumors do not help the cause or the end user.  People who are going to use ibogaine to treat addiction, both the provider and the user, should be informed of the realities and not the folklore.  Give them the straight scoop.  Ibogaine will get you clean – you have to stay clean.  If you relapse, fine, you may need to do ibogaine again, fine.  But the cure isn’t inside of the ibogaine.  The cure is inside of the addict.  We will do the end user a greater good if we tell them from the get go that it isn’t about how many times you take ibo, it is about how hard you try after you take ibo.

more later, maybe
Peace,
Randy

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:27:49 -0700 (PDT)

— Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Randy, people don’t have the same mind and have
> different needs,
> There is nothing wrong with multiple doses if people
> need it.

I fully agree.

The experiences totally clean have enabled me to see
further, understand and challenge myself (also QUIT
SMOKING). Ibogaine has many other uses of discovery
and self understanding as well as doing work (and fun)
in a relationship. It isn’t just about getting clean
or being able to stay sober, it is also about seeing.

At first there was quite a lot of fear about doing
ibogaine again, but that is quite common. There are
also people who know what ibogaine will do, some even
tasted its effects and will turn from it, unwilling to
see, afraid to understanding or of change. If I could
hold up a mirror and show you yourself, really who you
are, well that is what ibogaine is, for me. Oh what I
would have missed out on if I stopped ibogaine after
my first experience, all clean and sober. The journey
just began at that point, not that getting clean isn’t
a miracle and worthy of saying “success”, but taking
ibogaine over and over, even needing it, isn’t
failing. If someone can only go 3 steps and there are
10 to go, do they fail or somehow not “DO IT RIGHT”
because they can’t do 10 steps in 3 – referring to
getting clean?

Maybe someone doesn’t need ibogaine past getting
sober, maybe it won’t do anymore for them. They could
have it well in hand, no thank you ibogaine, it has
been nice but don’t need you any longer… or they
could be afraid. I don’t want to name names but a
there are a lot of people out there who have no “need”
to do ibogaine cause they were never addicted or have
taken ibogaine for addiction and have also done it
quite sober. Vivian, my Fiance, she knows what it
does, she sees, she doesn’t want it either, neither do
I… (here is her first experience
http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/exp18.htm), she has no
“need”, she is not an addict. But the time comes I (or
we) need to see a little more, understand a little
deeper or maybe get a grasp of a new situation. OR
Vivian and I just want to go out and cheat on each
other, with each other, 125mg HCL for her, about 150
for me (and there are other uses for that and other
doses, also depending on intent it is different), a
2nd Honeymoon if you want to be white about it and
take a little vacation. Or am I “using” ibogaine as a
mood and mind, a soul and spirit altering substance,
yes. Am I using it to help my understanding of others
and as a self-discovery agent, to improve my health or
some challenge (take a tiny bit of ibo before a
stressful event, 20mg or so will do the trick for the
initiated), or maybe use the same to improve mood
instead of a prescription drug with negative side
effects. Or maybe 100-150mg before a vacation, family
pictures, for feeling down, needing a “reminder” (to
understand), having a party at our place so we have
the energy and HIGH SEROTONIN SMILES, able to outlast
all of the guests (for several days if necessary <g>)?
Absolutely yes though I really don’t want to do a full
dose again if there is any way I can wiggle out of
it… but will, “need” it or not.

Then there are T. Iboga extracts such as Indra and
Ethnogarden which is different from HCL. It isn’t your
fathers ibogaine anymore either, ibogaine is not just
an anti-addictive, but then, IT NEVER WAS till Howard
found out, only 40 years ago!  Ibogaine has a long
history in medicine, religion and ritual, it is
literally the Bwiti Tree of Life.

Randy,
Why would you not want to do iboga again? I mean well
other than it is one of the most disgusting
experiences I can imagine. Why not do it again, is
there not anything besides an anti-addiction there for
you?

“> Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple
> doses? Or is it that
> persons who do ibo multiple times have more
> willingness and
> determination to
> be clean?
>
> IMO, I prefer the later.  ”

Both are true and would be at same time. SO, yes
multiple treatments are more effective and yes it take
s willingness. Just in taking ibogaine again does show
some amount of willingness, it is not fun as you know
but is much better clean, and got better the healthier
I got. It would be like saying is it the sunshine or
the water that made the plant grow, the answer is both
(add some fresh air, nurturing, food… grows
better…). So in addition to the willingness and ibo,
toss in good food, fresh air, exercise, yes and some
sunshine too… that will make it work for ya.

Brett

> For some people it is an addiction cure gaining
> insight,realization of
> unity and creation one ibogaine treatment does it
> for them but
> Just like any other treatment to any other illness
> some will need to have a longer treatment with
> multiple doses or a
> combination with  other medication or treatments,
> (Accupunture, prozac,
> herbs or non addictive pain killers, Rehab, health
> center what you like)
>
>
> To focus on staying clean is for some harder then
> for others,
> Just like learning to read and write, walk or talk.
> Nobody is perfact.
>
> S.
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Randy Hencken
> [mailto:randyhencken@hotmail.com]
> Sent: dinsdag 22 juli 2003 17:44
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [ibogaine] multiple doses
>
>
> Carla, you are correct that many people do ibogaine
> multiple times
> before
> they achieve a lengthy clean time.  And I assume
> that statistics will
> show
> that there are a greater number of people who have
> done ibo more than
> once
> that contuniue to be off dope verse persons whom
> only have done ibo
> once.
> The question I pose to anyone here is:
>
> Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple
> doses? Or is it that
> persons who do ibo multiple times have more
> willingness and
> determination to
> be clean?
>
> IMO, I prefer the later.  I hope that everyone on
> this list understands
> that
> ibogaine is not a cure.  Not even in multiple doses.
>  Ibogaine is an
> oppurtunity.  I think it is the amongst the best
> oppurtunities for
> opiate
> dependent persons to get clean.  More importantly
> than how many times an
>
> addict takes ibogaine is what the addict does
> immediatley thereafter
> treatment.  Ibogaine will be a one time treatment if
> the user follows a
> plan
> to remain clean.  And ibogaine will become a
> multiple treatment for
> persons
> who MAKE the DECISION to use again.
>
> Peace,
> Randy
>
>
> >
> >Hi Randy, I don’t know? Out of most of the people I
> >know who have done ibogaine they’ve usually done it
> >two or three times before they manage to stay clean
> >for longer then a few months. I don’t know how it
> >works for everyone else but I know nobody who has
> done
> >it once and stayed clean. After two or three times,
> it
> >starts to happen more but still takes a lot of
> work.
> >>
> >Carla B
> >
>
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 23, 2003 at 10:27:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Randy, people don’t have the same mind and have
different needs,
There is nothing wrong with multiple doses if people
need it.

I fully agree.

The experiences totally clean have enabled me to see
further, understand and challenge myself (also QUIT
SMOKING). Ibogaine has many other uses of discovery
and self understanding as well as doing work (and fun)
in a relationship. It isn’t just about getting clean
or being able to stay sober, it is also about seeing.

At first there was quite a lot of fear about doing
ibogaine again, but that is quite common. There are
also people who know what ibogaine will do, some even
tasted its effects and will turn from it, unwilling to
see, afraid to understanding or of change. If I could
hold up a mirror and show you yourself, really who you
are, well that is what ibogaine is, for me. Oh what I
would have missed out on if I stopped ibogaine after
my first experience, all clean and sober. The journey
just began at that point, not that getting clean isn’t
a miracle and worthy of saying “success”, but taking
ibogaine over and over, even needing it, isn’t
failing. If someone can only go 3 steps and there are
10 to go, do they fail or somehow not “DO IT RIGHT”
because they can’t do 10 steps in 3 – referring to
getting clean?

Maybe someone doesn’t need ibogaine past getting
sober, maybe it won’t do anymore for them. They could
have it well in hand, no thank you ibogaine, it has
been nice but don’t need you any longer… or they
could be afraid. I don’t want to name names but a
there are a lot of people out there who have no “need”
to do ibogaine cause they were never addicted or have
taken ibogaine for addiction and have also done it
quite sober. Vivian, my Fiance, she knows what it
does, she sees, she doesn’t want it either, neither do
I… (here is her first experience
http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/exp18.htm), she has no
“need”, she is not an addict. But the time comes I (or
we) need to see a little more, understand a little
deeper or maybe get a grasp of a new situation. OR
Vivian and I just want to go out and cheat on each
other, with each other, 125mg HCL for her, about 150
for me (and there are other uses for that and other
doses, also depending on intent it is different), a
2nd Honeymoon if you want to be white about it and
take a little vacation. Or am I “using” ibogaine as a
mood and mind, a soul and spirit altering substance,
yes. Am I using it to help my understanding of others
and as a self-discovery agent, to improve my health or
some challenge (take a tiny bit of ibo before a
stressful event, 20mg or so will do the trick for the
initiated), or maybe use the same to improve mood
instead of a prescription drug with negative side
effects. Or maybe 100-150mg before a vacation, family
pictures, for feeling down, needing a “reminder” (to
understand), having a party at our place so we have
the energy and HIGH SEROTONIN SMILES, able to outlast
all of the guests (for several days if necessary <g>)?
Absolutely yes though I really don’t want to do a full
dose again if there is any way I can wiggle out of
it… but will, “need” it or not.

Then there are T. Iboga extracts such as Indra and
Ethnogarden which is different from HCL. It isn’t your
fathers ibogaine anymore either, ibogaine is not just
an anti-addictive, but then, IT NEVER WAS till Howard
found out, only 40 years ago!  Ibogaine has a long
history in medicine, religion and ritual, it is
literally the Bwiti Tree of Life.

Randy,
Why would you not want to do iboga again? I mean well
other than it is one of the most disgusting
experiences I can imagine. Why not do it again, is
there not anything besides an anti-addiction there for
you?

“> Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple
doses? Or is it that
persons who do ibo multiple times have more
willingness and
determination to
be clean?

IMO, I prefer the later.  ”

Both are true and would be at same time. SO, yes
multiple treatments are more effective and yes it take
s willingness. Just in taking ibogaine again does show
some amount of willingness, it is not fun as you know
but is much better clean, and got better the healthier
I got. It would be like saying is it the sunshine or
the water that made the plant grow, the answer is both
(add some fresh air, nurturing, food… grows
better…). So in addition to the willingness and ibo,
toss in good food, fresh air, exercise, yes and some
sunshine too… that will make it work for ya.

Brett

For some people it is an addiction cure gaining
insight,realization of
unity and creation one ibogaine treatment does it
for them but
Just like any other treatment to any other illness
some will need to have a longer treatment with
multiple doses or a
combination with  other medication or treatments,
(Accupunture, prozac,
herbs or non addictive pain killers, Rehab, health
center what you like)

To focus on staying clean is for some harder then
for others,
Just like learning to read and write, walk or talk.
Nobody is perfact.

S.

—–Original Message—–
From: Randy Hencken
[mailto:randyhencken@hotmail.com]
Sent: dinsdag 22 juli 2003 17:44
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] multiple doses

Carla, you are correct that many people do ibogaine
multiple times
before
they achieve a lengthy clean time.  And I assume
that statistics will
show
that there are a greater number of people who have
done ibo more than
once
that contuniue to be off dope verse persons whom
only have done ibo
once.
The question I pose to anyone here is:

Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple
doses? Or is it that
persons who do ibo multiple times have more
willingness and
determination to
be clean?

IMO, I prefer the later.  I hope that everyone on
this list understands
that
ibogaine is not a cure.  Not even in multiple doses.
Ibogaine is an
oppurtunity.  I think it is the amongst the best
oppurtunities for
opiate
dependent persons to get clean.  More importantly
than how many times an

addict takes ibogaine is what the addict does
immediatley thereafter
treatment.  Ibogaine will be a one time treatment if
the user follows a
plan
to remain clean.  And ibogaine will become a
multiple treatment for
persons
who MAKE the DECISION to use again.

Peace,
Randy

Hi Randy, I don’t know? Out of most of the people I
know who have done ibogaine they’ve usually done it
two or three times before they manage to stay clean
for longer then a few months. I don’t know how it
works for everyone else but I know nobody who has
done
it once and stayed clean. After two or three times,
it
starts to happen more but still takes a lot of
work.

Carla B

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] a Disturbance in The Force
Date: July 23, 2003 at 6:51:57 PM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, voxadm@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: crashtestdummies@mindvox.com, sacrament@mindvox.com, godhead@mindvox.com, zone@phantom.com, bk@mindvox.com, bandwagon@mindvox.com, kotas4christ@mindvox.com, local-loop@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please note:

From roughly midnight until 3am EST, MindVox will be offline.  Our servers
are moving to another facility where we can burn through a lot more
bandwidth without worrying about it.

Your DNS may not be able to find the new IP for phantom or mindvox for
several hours.

Whatever mail is sent to the lists during this period will just queue up,
and arrive a few hours later.  This is the same for people who have actual
email accounts @phantom or @mindvox.

Thank you berry muchly for your affections to this manner,

Patrick

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 23, 2003 at 3:57:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, people don’t have the same mind and have different needs,
There is nothing wrong with multiple doses if people need it.
For some people it is an addiction cure gaining insight,realization of
unity and creation one ibogaine treatment does it for them but
Just like any other treatment to any other illness
some will need to have a longer treatment with multiple doses or a
combination with  other medication or treatments, (Accupunture, prozac,
herbs or non addictive pain killers, Rehab, health center what you like)

To focus on staying clean is for some harder then for others,
Just like learning to read and write, walk or talk.
Nobody is perfact.

S.

—–Original Message—–
From: Randy Hencken [mailto:randyhencken@hotmail.com]
Sent: dinsdag 22 juli 2003 17:44
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] multiple doses

Carla, you are correct that many people do ibogaine multiple times
before
they achieve a lengthy clean time.  And I assume that statistics will
show
that there are a greater number of people who have done ibo more than
once
that contuniue to be off dope verse persons whom only have done ibo
once.
The question I pose to anyone here is:

Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple doses? Or is it that
persons who do ibo multiple times have more willingness and
determination to
be clean?

IMO, I prefer the later.  I hope that everyone on this list understands
that
ibogaine is not a cure.  Not even in multiple doses.  Ibogaine is an
oppurtunity.  I think it is the amongst the best oppurtunities for
opiate
dependent persons to get clean.  More importantly than how many times an

addict takes ibogaine is what the addict does immediatley thereafter
treatment.  Ibogaine will be a one time treatment if the user follows a
plan
to remain clean.  And ibogaine will become a multiple treatment for
persons
who MAKE the DECISION to use again.

Peace,
Randy

Hi Randy, I don’t know? Out of most of the people I
know who have done ibogaine they’ve usually done it
two or three times before they manage to stay clean
for longer then a few months. I don’t know how it
works for everyone else but I know nobody who has done
it once and stayed clean. After two or three times, it
starts to happen more but still takes a lot of work.

Carla B

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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] multiple doses
Date: July 22, 2003 at 11:44:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla, you are correct that many people do ibogaine multiple times before they achieve a lengthy clean time.  And I assume that statistics will show that there are a greater number of people who have done ibo more than once that contuniue to be off dope verse persons whom only have done ibo once.  The question I pose to anyone here is:

Does ibogaine becomes more efficient in multiple doses? Or is it that persons who do ibo multiple times have more willingness and determination to be clean?

IMO, I prefer the later.  I hope that everyone on this list understands that ibogaine is not a cure.  Not even in multiple doses.  Ibogaine is an oppurtunity.  I think it is the amongst the best oppurtunities for opiate dependent persons to get clean.  More importantly than how many times an addict takes ibogaine is what the addict does immediatley thereafter treatment.  Ibogaine will be a one time treatment if the user follows a plan to remain clean.  And ibogaine will become a multiple treatment for persons who MAKE the DECISION to use again.

Peace,
Randy

Hi Randy, I don’t know? Out of most of the people I
know who have done ibogaine they’ve usually done it
two or three times before they manage to stay clean
for longer then a few months. I don’t know how it
works for everyone else but I know nobody who has done
it once and stayed clean. After two or three times, it
starts to happen more but still takes a lot of work.

Carla B

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 21, 2003 at 6:42:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy, I don’t know? Out of most of the people I
know who have done ibogaine they’ve usually done it
two or three times before they manage to stay clean
for longer then a few months. I don’t know how it
works for everyone else but I know nobody who has done
it once and stayed clean. After two or three times, it
starts to happen more but still takes a lot of work.

I think we have these conversations a few times on
this list about how ibogaine works, what people
thought of it and what the original opinions were from
when Howard and his friends first started to do it.

I’m now sure I’d want to do ibogaine with the Bwiti
😉

Carla B

— Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com> wrote:
Carla,

I don’t know about every one on this list, but
looking at the list of
clients who have come through our treatment center,
I wouldn’t say that most
people do ibo more than once.  I have only done ibo
once and I am not sure
that I will ever do it again.  If I do use ibo again
I plan to do it with
the Bwiti.  Sure if you do ibo more than once than
the likelihood of being
off dope improves.  Is this because of the ibogaine?
Or is it because of
determination?   Ibogaine is an amazing opportunity.
Ibogaine was amongst
the best things that ever happened to me.  But it is
no trip to the
amusement park (or maybe it is some kind of demented
amusement park).  If
persons manage to get it right the first time, then
they don’t have to keep
doing ibogaine regularly.  Of course, everyone has
free will and is welcome
to do what they like (but sometimes the Man will
lock you up for doing what
you like…).

Peace,
Randy

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Anyone have Patrick Kroupa’s (new?) pager or phone. Now or never? EOM
Date: July 21, 2003 at 6:39:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brett, I did about 2 years ago. Patrick was a
sweetheart and helped me a lot just by talking a few
times when I first got clean. After a while I think
all the numbers changed and he’s never available.

From what i know from people who have tried there is
some small group of people who he talks to and their
email is answered but most of the time nobody gets any
replies to anything.

I think Dana and Howard probably know how to find him.
Maybe Gamma and Preston and some others I don’t know
about or forgot from this list. The impression I have
is that he’s overloaded and has a lot of people who
all want something from him all at once so he hides
😉

I know he reads his mail at least every few days, so
if you put urgent or important in the title I’m sure
he’ll see it.

Carla B

— Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com> wrote:
ok you looked, I deleted it

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Anyone have Patrick Kroupa’s (new?) pager or phone. Now or never? EOM
Date: July 21, 2003 at 5:57:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Mary Adams” <m.adams01@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] ibo report
Date: July 20, 2003 at 3:29:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please unsubscribe me from your mailing list or from your group.
I live in the United States and can’t receive ibogaine.

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2003 02:20:13
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] ibo report

Bro, a list of options is online here

Ibogaine Treatment Centres and supply options

If you’re in the united states then you will have to leave the united
states, get someone to receive your package for you and re ship it or
work something else out.

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:42:34 -0700 Ron Rheinor <RRheinor@YukonFire.com>
wrote:
>where do you get the ibogaine?
>
>i look and look and cant seem to find a spot to obtain it i really
>could use a tip
>
>thanks (i am a oppiate addict for 16 years
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:12 PM
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [ibogaine] ibo report
>
>
>The following report was forwarded for posting to the ibogaine lists.

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] ibo report
Date: July 20, 2003 at 3:19:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bro, a list of options is online here

Ibogaine Treatment Centres and supply options

If you’re in the united states then you will have to leave the united
states, get someone to receive your package for you and re ship it or
work something else out.

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:42:34 -0700 Ron Rheinor <RRheinor@YukonFire.com>
wrote:
where do you get the ibogaine?

i look and look and cant seem to find a spot to obtain it i really
could use a tip

thanks (i am a oppiate addict for 16 years

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Subject: [ibogaine] ibo report

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From: Eaquinet@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 19, 2003 at 11:43:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brett,  Been reading the discussion on effects of ibo either w/or w/o opiates in your system.  I’ve done indra extract (  i think 5 gm.) w/Marc in vancouver and had few if any visions, mostly of death images when they did occur but just mainly very dark–sleeping some during it (though not after!)  A very dark experience in which i was so glad to have Marc and others there for support. Then, last week I did 1 gm. of ibogaine because I had gotten back on the methadone for about six weeks while my addicted daughter was here and driving me crazy. So, I just took the gram here at home alone and dealt w/it.  It was again, not visual at all…just dark again, scary, a few death images/ideas….lots more nausea than w/the indra. I did throw up the ibogaine (like 4 hrs. later or so) but never felt any nausea at all w/the indra extract.  So, I think next tme I;d use the indra againThe ibogaine was like being hit by a Mac truck. Since then I’ve been in bed–literallyin bed for a week, unable to get upriht and walk, etc. without falling down and being very dizzy. But tat might be from the Klonopin and Cloniidine that my physician prescribed to mitigate the w/d sx;s.  So I feel very fortunate to not vbe having w/d sx’s anymore after almost 10 days. I pray they never come back and hat I never touch methadone oir any opiates again.  Methadone is so insidiously evil….it seems like a solution abnd makes you feel good.  But it’  SO HARD to    g et off of. The firwt time I tried to do a methadone cold turkey(not cause i’d done sometihing wrong–but b/c the clinic wouldn’t medicate me cause I came back from Malta earlier than expected and they claimed tey did’t have the paperwork!!!!!  zzzzzzzzzzzzfCouldn’t they have calledd Malta or faxed them  ?  oNO…most of these clinics are punitive and disrespecfull and contenptuous of patients. It’s not medical treatment–it’s punishment..  well, i’v e gone on enough. ope this is  helpful “sstraw poll”: of ibogaine/.indra experiences.  Take care; I  do love you all for your minds, hearts, dedication to this cause, and of course your beauty     (wich i haven’t  seen –ex cept for Marc, Sandra, and a few others–but know is reall)Oh, if you saw the CBC program on Ibogaine that the sweet, lovely Duncan did–that was me mostly).  Peace, beauty, and love to us all.    Eliana

From: “Ron Rheinor” <RRheinor@YukonFire.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] ibo report
Date: July 18, 2003 at 7:42:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

where do you get the ibogaine?

i look and look and cant seem to find a spot to obtain it i really could use a tip

thanks (i am a oppiate addict for 16 years

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:12 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibo report

The following report was forwarded for posting to the ibogaine lists.

My name is Matt and I’m an addict.  I know this isn’t an N.A.

meeting but I want there to be no mistake of where I came from or

what has happened to me.  Sixteen days ago (written on July 13th

2003) I took ibogaine for the fifth time in my life.  I have written

to the ibogaine mailing list of a previous experience several years

ago.  But in short my history is this:  Alcoholism for roughly

thirteen years until I discovered heroin could help me not to

drink.  This was predictably followed by heroin addiction, roughly

five years or so.  Durring this time I could occasionally kick when

I went away to the woods or another state, but I always returned to

active addiction.  This was when I first used ibogaine.

My very first experience with ibogaine started much like any

other hallucinogenic experience.  But as a heroin addict I was no-

longer able to handle these types of experiences psychologically.

So I tried and succeeded I believe, in falling asleep through the

bulk of the experience.  I found I was not sick but I craved heroin

the next day.

My second experience (2 grams, just like the first time,

amounted to 21mg/kg) was more successful.  I stayed clean for 30

days.  I had a fairly profound experience but I felt it wear off day

by day and after 30 days the old obsession to use returned and I

returned to active addiction.  My third and fourth experiences were

really screw ups on my part.  I feared the hallucinogenic part of

ibogaine so I wouldn’t take as much as before.  Instead I split the

dose both times with a strung-out friend and it was not enough for

either of us to get clean although they were both powerful

experiences for both of us.  We went into withdrawal and used within

48 hours both times.

I got on methadone after about four years of heroin use.  But at

first I still could not stop using heroin or cocaine or any other

damn thing that came my way.  This was probibly the lowest point in

my addiction.  I fucking hated it.  I started selling heroin and I

felt like I was never ever going to get clean.  So I moved to

Colorado to live with my Father and hopefully stop using illegal

drugs.

Surprising as it may seem, it worked, I was able to use only

methadone, but I had to greatly increase the dose at first.  But as

I stayed away from other drugs longer, they gave me more and more

take home doses.  And my addiction just took over with this crap and

I would take my take homes as soon as I got home and be sick again

before I got back to the clinic again.  I told my methadone

counselor about it but I never did solve this issue.  By the time I

got off methadone 16 days ago, I was going to the clinic once a week

and staying sick a good 2 to 3 days a week.  Needless to say, this

was intolerable to me, but I didn’t know what to do about it.  I was

a methadone junkie instead of a heroin junkie.  And by now I had

been on methadone for over four years and while I was able to

decrease my dose about a mg a week, I was still on 74mg (almost 2

years from being able to quite entirely).  I was also on a handful

of anti-depressants because I utterly hated my existance like this.

Before I tell you about my fifth ibogaine experience I want to

tell you that way back in my alcohol years I started going to A.A.

to try and quit.  That was my first introduction to the twelve

steps.  I read the steps on the wall and got to step three and read

the word God and said to myself, “Well this will never work for me

because I don’t believe in God.”  It was a number of years and

suicide attempts before I returned to A.A.  I was much more beaten

down by my addiction at that point but I refused to believe in God.

After a while of going to meetings I came to understand that what

they were telling me was this: Either God was going to save me, or I

was going to die from my disease.  At that time I didn’t consider it

a disease I thought of it as a problem of willpower or something

like that and I called it alcoholism and not addiction.  I mean

after all I was able to take or leave pot.

My closed-mindedness kept A.A. from ever getting me to stop for

even 2 days.  A few years and a dozen more suicide attempts (many

that really should have worked) found me utterly hopeless.  Hopeless

for my future and hopeless to stop drinking.  Everyone knew I was a

hopeless drunk and no-one could tolerate me at night because I was

always wasted.  Then came heroin.  At first I didn’t care, I just

said, “What the fuck, my life sucks anyway.”  But within a month I

thought I was onto the miracle cure for alcoholism.  At first heroin

did everything alcohol had stopped doing, it made everything ok,

with no hang over.  I even remember going to an A.A. meeting on

heroin to collect my 30 days sober chip.  I knew heroin was

addictive but I didn’t know real addiction until I was hooked.  I

thought I knew addiction from alcohol, but that didn’t have anything

on the overwhelming need that heroin withdrawal created in me.  And

alcohol never drove me to the crime and betrayal that heroin did.

So durring my heroin use, I started going to N.A.  Unfortunately (or

so I thought) they use the very same twelve steps.  By then I really

felt like I had had enough.  So I changed my thinking to this, “I

need to figure out how to believe in God.”

This is essentially the conundrum I worked with the whole time I

was on methadone.  All I knew for sure was that I met people who

convinced me they were just as hopelessly addicted as I was and they

were now not just clean, they were happy.  Everytime I quit using,

it was only a matter of time before being clean became more

unbearable than being high and I returned to dope.  And these people

told me it was do to their belief and connection to God.  I heard a

tired slogan in A.A. that says, “fake it till you make it.”  So I

started praying to the ether or whatever would listen.  And crazy as

it sounds, I prayed to God to help me believe in God.  Some odd

things happened but my mind always insisted they could have been

coincidence and I simply could not believe.  I realize now that I

was afraid.  I didn’t realize it when I was praying for God to enter

my life, but the back of my mind was saying, “whatever you do, don’t

scare me with the reality of your existence.”

Once when I was still using heroin I had a very odd dream.  I

was in a dark room and there were a lot of people there, I could not

see them but I could sense them.  They all started chanting, “God

God God God” and suddenly I sensed a thought behind me, “I am here.”

I turned around and I saw infinity and instantly I awoke and sat up

straight in the middle of the night shaking with fear.  I just

remember thinking that anything that big and powerful must be

dangerous.

Now I can finally tell you what happened sixteen days ago.  I

know without a doubt that if I could share this experience with you

in feelings instead of words you would break down crying and it

would change your life as it did mine.  But we only have these

feeble words to transmit the power of feeling, so I’ll just have to

tell you as best I can and you’ll have to use your imagination to

try and approach the reality.

First off, my weight is down from years of opiates so when I did

two grams it was 26mg/kg this time.  Second, I was advised that

taking it as an ennema eliminated the nausia issue, which had been a

problem for me in the past.  Luckily (I think now) as it turned out,

I wasn’t warned that the onset is enormously faster with this

administration.  And thirdly I have to point out that the thought of

death was very much on my mind.  Due to the fact that I have heard

of a few deaths on ibogaine.  Some concerned with mixing other

drugs, some not.  I also remember on two previous occassions being

concerned with my slow breathing.  And I had also read other

people’s accounts before I ever took ibo where they mentioned

concern about slow breathing.

I took the ibogaine at 5:00 P.M. I was alone, as I was on my

only successful use before with heroin.  At the time I kind of felt

like death was as much of an improvement as getting clean so I made

sure no-one was around.  At the same time, there really was no-one I

could have trusted to watch me in Colorado anyway.  I made exactly

zero friends in the two+ years I have been here because I didn’t

know how to be anything but a using friend.  And even though I have

been living with him, my Father and I have no relationship

whatsoever.  It is sad to me now but we are like strangers in the

same house.  But anyway, by 5:10 I started noticing flashing lights

in the corner of my vision, and with each eye movement and blink

more and more of my vision turned to flashing lights untill it was

like I was completely surrounded by flood lights.  If I stared

without moving my eyes I could see but not well and not without

massive rainbows and flashing lights.  By 5:15 I was starting to

panick, I was thinking, “Holy crap, this is comming on way too

fast!”  So I thought, “O.K. I’ll turn on the T.V. for a bit and see

if it mellows me out.”  Well I turned on the T.V. just for about a

minute but it was just long enough to see a scene from some cop

chase peice of shit FOX show where this guy had kidnapped his 3 year

old son and was flying recklessly down a freeway in a semi truck

loaded down with lumber.  And all this lumber was hanging off the

side of the truck and the guy almost hits a school bus full of kids

and the cops finally decide they have to kill him so they shoot him

in the head and kill him and slowly the truck comes to a stop.  And

I just freaked the fuck out.  I cannot tell you what effect that

minute had on me, I was already overly concerned with death and I

really didn’t need to see someone get killed and at the same time I

was totally horrified at the thought that that fucking show was

being aired as entertainment.  I thought, “What kind of fucked up

world am I living in that this shit is splashed across the nation as

entertainment?!??!”

So by 5:20 I was panicking and very disturbed.  So I turned off

the T.V. (I think it’s the biggest waste of mind and life there is

now) and turned to music.  I had set up a CD I wanted to hear so I

turned that on.  I like techno, dance, trance, rave kind of music so

this cd was very heavy with electronic sounds, and rapid repetative

beats.  But the repetative beats sounded as random as popcorn and

after a few seconds it was just random electronic noise.  I could

not sort any music or patterns to the sound whatsoever.  So I shut

it off.  Now my thoughts were more desperate, I didn’t just

think, “This is comming on too fucking fast!” anymore, I had started

to think, “I’m in serious trouble here!”

I can’t be certain of the time exactly but I think it must have

been about 5:30 that I felt like I was passing anything I have ever

experienced on hallucinogens before.  I felt like I was on an ICBM

and I was leaving the earth’s atmosphere and I seriously doubted

that I would be returning.  I once took 14 hits of acid, and I have

done mushrooms, peyote, even dextromethorphan (which is a

hallucinogen in case you wondered, actually it’s more correctly

called a disassociative like PCP or N2O but anyway…).  This ibo

experience totally blew my ego and my world apart.  It was so far

beyond anything I have ever experienced on any drug.  After my

vision and hearing had become unrealiable, I felt like I had no

reliable sensory input at all.  I felt myself falling and at the

same time I felt like the ibogaine particles were insinuating

themselves between every molecule in my body, disolving me.  And I

also felt like my very soul was disolving.  I felt like an alka-

seltzer in a glass of water and I was scared like I have never been

scared before and death was not just heavy on my mind it was like a

looming entity hanging around just out of site.  In that moment of

complete fear I knew helplessness like never before. So I just

called out with my mind for help.  And this time I was more afraid

of the oblivion I was desending into than I was with the thought

that God might be real.  My thought was, “Please help me!!” but in

the back of my mind I felt like I was thinking, “O.K. God the jig is

up for me, if you are real we need to end this stupid charade or I’m

a goner.”

The easier to understand version goes like this:  I had a

spiritual experience.  The real truth goes like this:  I found God,

or God found me.  It really doesn’t matter.  In that instant when I

asked for help with total honesty and without reservation, I stopped

falling and I felt love like I have never ever felt before and my

fear just melted away.  I still had death heavy on my mind, although

I was no-longer afraid of it for myself.  I think I have always had

a death wish.  My drug use was incredibly destructive and I already

mentioned the suicide attempts, well I think I still had that at

that moment.  And suddenly I saw myself on this line and on one side

was life and one side was death and my heart wasn’t beating and I

wasn’t breathing and God didn’t say, but I understood it like it was

transmitted in words that God was saying, “If this is really what

you want Matt then you can have it, just don’t take another breath

and it’s yours.”  And I looked at death for a second and I saw shit,

and pain, and hopelessness, and most of all I saw a total abscence

of God and I forced myself to take a big breath and at the same time

thought, “NO FUCKING WAY DO I WANT ANY PART OF THAT!!”  And I

understood God to say, “then you don’t have to”.

I basked in the overwhelming love for a long time.  But I felt

extreme shame for myself.  At some point I was made to understand

that God had been waiting for billions upon billions of years,

literally universes of time (more time than I can ever truly

comprehend), just for that moment when I asked for help.  And when I

wondered ashamedely why a being so powerful would do such a thing

for a useless junkie like me I was answered, “because you asked me

to.”  I cried for the next two days straight.  I am still ashamed

today, not paralyzed with guilt mind you, just very ashamed to have

let this being down.  I have felt nothing but love from God, no

judgement at all but for a while I felt like I was about two years

old and had been caught by my parents with my hand in the cookie

jar.  I knew it was wrong to steal from my family, I knew it was

wrong to betray my friends, and yet I did all those things (and so

much more) when I used drugs.  And I knew that God had seen it all,

and I am ashamed of myself.  But I tell you what, that shit is never

going on in my life again.  I can feel that  overwhelming love today

any time I reach out a thought to God.  And if I try I can get right

back to that place of shame with God’s love shining down all around

me.  It feels like sunshine but it blows through me like wind.  I

know what happened to me was real.  I know what I saw and what I was

made to understand and I feel God in my life all the time now.

I remember when I first slept a few days after taking the

ibogaine, I had this long strange dream where all kinds of strange

things happened (I felt like I found and then lost true love with a

woman in this dream in addition to a lot of other strange things)

but I felt God with me the whole time and even when the things that

should have been painful happened, they seemed ok.  Not necessarily

good, just ok, not bad in the slightest.  And I woke up and that

love from God was still there.  Today, sixteen days later, I feel

like I need to make a very minor effort to feel that love, but it is

not far.  I think the reason it is not constant has to do with the

shame I still feel; that and not really knowing how I am supposed to

live yet.  If I think about it, I feel really unworthy of the gift I

have been given, especially in light of how I haved lived my life

before now.  I cannot begin to grasp the effort God made just to

save me when I took a drug to take the easy way out of my

addiction.  So I think I move away from God out of shame and

ignorance, without meaning to, and then I need to make a little

effort to move back.

My friends in A.A. and N.A. tell me not to worry about the

things I did in the past and that I really had no choice, but I seem

to recall being there when I was stealing, and I seem to recall

making the choice to do so.  As I said, God has not judged me in the

slightest for it, but when I feel the power of that love and when I

try to stretch my mind to understand what God did for me, I am

overwhelmed with unworthy feelings.

I now know that I have to take responsibility for everything I

do in this world.  I have changed from this experience in a lot of

profound ways.  One example is I quit eating meat.  It always

bothered me that the rainforests are being burned to make room to

graze cattle, that cows are the third largest source of methane (a

major greenhouse gas) in the world, and that people are starving in

the world even though enough grain is grown to feed everyone, except

so much of it is fed to the cows.  Well I cannot kid myself about it

anymore, everytime I take a bite of beef I take on responsibility

for all that and more.  If I eat a dead animal, I take on

responsibility for the way that animal was raised, the way it lived,

and the way it died.  That’s just one example of how my thinking and

actions have changed.

I am free of my addiction today.  I still have some withdrawal

symptoms but I almost feel guilty for even mentioning them since

they are so minor and unimportant.  Today I no-longer fear

emotions.  I have no desire to change how I feel when I feel sad or

bored or whatever, and I haven’t gotten mad at all.  Before I

couldn’t get a chemical in me fast enough to avoid a so-called bad

emotion.  I believe that dream was God’s way of showing me how to

live.  I can take whatever comes if I just trust God and renew that

connection as often as I can.  I still feel shame when I think about

my past, but I know after my future becomes part of my past I wont

have to feel ashamed.  I am going to do everything in my power to

earn this beautiful gift I have been given.  I am not going to let

this amazing being down again, and I know it won’t let me down

either.  I wish with all my heart I could share this thing with

everyone on this planet, but I don’t know how.  But trust me when I

tell you, there is an intelligent, loving, overwhelmingly powerful

force in this universe.  I call it God because it’s convienient and

it really seems to fit.  If you don’t have a connection to it now,

then find it!  It’s waiting for you and I suspect it has been for a

very, very long time.

I cannot advocate ibogaine as a magic bullet for opiate

addiction based on the deaths from it.  However, if your addiction

has you wishing for death anyway, than maybe it’s the answer for you

too.  I hope this helps somebody somewhere.  I hope this leads you

to what I have found.  I wish the best for everyone who reads these

words, and know that I love and care about everyone of you, and I

don’t need to have met you to know it.

P.S. I am not recieving this ibo mailing list so someone else will

post this for me.  But if you want to email me my address is:

matthew@mailcentro.zzn.com  I usually only check my mail about twice

a week so if you do write me, I will respond but it may not be right

away.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibo report
Date: July 18, 2003 at 5:12:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The following report was forwarded for posting to the ibogaine lists.

My name is Matt and I’m an addict.  I know this isn’t an N.A.

meeting but I want there to be no mistake of where I came from or

what has happened to me.  Sixteen days ago (written on July 13th

2003) I took ibogaine for the fifth time in my life.  I have written

to the ibogaine mailing list of a previous experience several years

ago.  But in short my history is this:  Alcoholism for roughly

thirteen years until I discovered heroin could help me not to

drink.  This was predictably followed by heroin addiction, roughly

five years or so.  Durring this time I could occasionally kick when

I went away to the woods or another state, but I always returned to

active addiction.  This was when I first used ibogaine.

My very first experience with ibogaine started much like any

other hallucinogenic experience.  But as a heroin addict I was no-

longer able to handle these types of experiences psychologically.

So I tried and succeeded I believe, in falling asleep through the

bulk of the experience.  I found I was not sick but I craved heroin

the next day.

My second experience (2 grams, just like the first time,

amounted to 21mg/kg) was more successful.  I stayed clean for 30

days.  I had a fairly profound experience but I felt it wear off day

by day and after 30 days the old obsession to use returned and I

returned to active addiction.  My third and fourth experiences were

really screw ups on my part.  I feared the hallucinogenic part of

ibogaine so I wouldn’t take as much as before.  Instead I split the

dose both times with a strung-out friend and it was not enough for

either of us to get clean although they were both powerful

experiences for both of us.  We went into withdrawal and used within

48 hours both times.

I got on methadone after about four years of heroin use.  But at

first I still could not stop using heroin or cocaine or any other

damn thing that came my way.  This was probibly the lowest point in

my addiction.  I fucking hated it.  I started selling heroin and I

felt like I was never ever going to get clean.  So I moved to

Colorado to live with my Father and hopefully stop using illegal

drugs.

Surprising as it may seem, it worked, I was able to use only

methadone, but I had to greatly increase the dose at first.  But as

I stayed away from other drugs longer, they gave me more and more

take home doses.  And my addiction just took over with this crap and

I would take my take homes as soon as I got home and be sick again

before I got back to the clinic again.  I told my methadone

counselor about it but I never did solve this issue.  By the time I

got off methadone 16 days ago, I was going to the clinic once a week

and staying sick a good 2 to 3 days a week.  Needless to say, this

was intolerable to me, but I didn’t know what to do about it.  I was

a methadone junkie instead of a heroin junkie.  And by now I had

been on methadone for over four years and while I was able to

decrease my dose about a mg a week, I was still on 74mg (almost 2

years from being able to quite entirely).  I was also on a handful

of anti-depressants because I utterly hated my existance like this.

Before I tell you about my fifth ibogaine experience I want to

tell you that way back in my alcohol years I started going to A.A.

to try and quit.  That was my first introduction to the twelve

steps.  I read the steps on the wall and got to step three and read

the word God and said to myself, “Well this will never work for me

because I don’t believe in God.”  It was a number of years and

suicide attempts before I returned to A.A.  I was much more beaten

down by my addiction at that point but I refused to believe in God.

After a while of going to meetings I came to understand that what

they were telling me was this: Either God was going to save me, or I

was going to die from my disease.  At that time I didn’t consider it

a disease I thought of it as a problem of willpower or something

like that and I called it alcoholism and not addiction.  I mean

after all I was able to take or leave pot.

My closed-mindedness kept A.A. from ever getting me to stop for

even 2 days.  A few years and a dozen more suicide attempts (many

that really should have worked) found me utterly hopeless.  Hopeless

for my future and hopeless to stop drinking.  Everyone knew I was a

hopeless drunk and no-one could tolerate me at night because I was

always wasted.  Then came heroin.  At first I didn’t care, I just

said, “What the fuck, my life sucks anyway.”  But within a month I

thought I was onto the miracle cure for alcoholism.  At first heroin

did everything alcohol had stopped doing, it made everything ok,

with no hang over.  I even remember going to an A.A. meeting on

heroin to collect my 30 days sober chip.  I knew heroin was

addictive but I didn’t know real addiction until I was hooked.  I

thought I knew addiction from alcohol, but that didn’t have anything

on the overwhelming need that heroin withdrawal created in me.  And

alcohol never drove me to the crime and betrayal that heroin did.

So durring my heroin use, I started going to N.A.  Unfortunately (or

so I thought) they use the very same twelve steps.  By then I really

felt like I had had enough.  So I changed my thinking to this, “I

need to figure out how to believe in God.”

This is essentially the conundrum I worked with the whole time I

was on methadone.  All I knew for sure was that I met people who

convinced me they were just as hopelessly addicted as I was and they

were now not just clean, they were happy.  Everytime I quit using,

it was only a matter of time before being clean became more

unbearable than being high and I returned to dope.  And these people

told me it was do to their belief and connection to God.  I heard a

tired slogan in A.A. that says, “fake it till you make it.”  So I

started praying to the ether or whatever would listen.  And crazy as

it sounds, I prayed to God to help me believe in God.  Some odd

things happened but my mind always insisted they could have been

coincidence and I simply could not believe.  I realize now that I

was afraid.  I didn’t realize it when I was praying for God to enter

my life, but the back of my mind was saying, “whatever you do, don’t

scare me with the reality of your existence.”

Once when I was still using heroin I had a very odd dream.  I

was in a dark room and there were a lot of people there, I could not

see them but I could sense them.  They all started chanting, “God

God God God” and suddenly I sensed a thought behind me, “I am here.”

I turned around and I saw infinity and instantly I awoke and sat up

straight in the middle of the night shaking with fear.  I just

remember thinking that anything that big and powerful must be

dangerous.

Now I can finally tell you what happened sixteen days ago.  I

know without a doubt that if I could share this experience with you

in feelings instead of words you would break down crying and it

would change your life as it did mine.  But we only have these

feeble words to transmit the power of feeling, so I’ll just have to

tell you as best I can and you’ll have to use your imagination to

try and approach the reality.

First off, my weight is down from years of opiates so when I did

two grams it was 26mg/kg this time.  Second, I was advised that

taking it as an ennema eliminated the nausia issue, which had been a

problem for me in the past.  Luckily (I think now) as it turned out,

I wasn’t warned that the onset is enormously faster with this

administration.  And thirdly I have to point out that the thought of

death was very much on my mind.  Due to the fact that I have heard

of a few deaths on ibogaine.  Some concerned with mixing other

drugs, some not.  I also remember on two previous occassions being

concerned with my slow breathing.  And I had also read other

people’s accounts before I ever took ibo where they mentioned

concern about slow breathing.

I took the ibogaine at 5:00 P.M. I was alone, as I was on my

only successful use before with heroin.  At the time I kind of felt

like death was as much of an improvement as getting clean so I made

sure no-one was around.  At the same time, there really was no-one I

could have trusted to watch me in Colorado anyway.  I made exactly

zero friends in the two+ years I have been here because I didn’t

know how to be anything but a using friend.  And even though I have

been living with him, my Father and I have no relationship

whatsoever.  It is sad to me now but we are like strangers in the

same house.  But anyway, by 5:10 I started noticing flashing lights

in the corner of my vision, and with each eye movement and blink

more and more of my vision turned to flashing lights untill it was

like I was completely surrounded by flood lights.  If I stared

without moving my eyes I could see but not well and not without

massive rainbows and flashing lights.  By 5:15 I was starting to

panick, I was thinking, “Holy crap, this is comming on way too

fast!”  So I thought, “O.K. I’ll turn on the T.V. for a bit and see

if it mellows me out.”  Well I turned on the T.V. just for about a

minute but it was just long enough to see a scene from some cop

chase peice of shit FOX show where this guy had kidnapped his 3 year

old son and was flying recklessly down a freeway in a semi truck

loaded down with lumber.  And all this lumber was hanging off the

side of the truck and the guy almost hits a school bus full of kids

and the cops finally decide they have to kill him so they shoot him

in the head and kill him and slowly the truck comes to a stop.  And

I just freaked the fuck out.  I cannot tell you what effect that

minute had on me, I was already overly concerned with death and I

really didn’t need to see someone get killed and at the same time I

was totally horrified at the thought that that fucking show was

being aired as entertainment.  I thought, “What kind of fucked up

world am I living in that this shit is splashed across the nation as

entertainment?!??!”

So by 5:20 I was panicking and very disturbed.  So I turned off

the T.V. (I think it’s the biggest waste of mind and life there is

now) and turned to music.  I had set up a CD I wanted to hear so I

turned that on.  I like techno, dance, trance, rave kind of music so

this cd was very heavy with electronic sounds, and rapid repetative

beats.  But the repetative beats sounded as random as popcorn and

after a few seconds it was just random electronic noise.  I could

not sort any music or patterns to the sound whatsoever.  So I shut

it off.  Now my thoughts were more desperate, I didn’t just

think, “This is comming on too fucking fast!” anymore, I had started

to think, “I’m in serious trouble here!”

I can’t be certain of the time exactly but I think it must have

been about 5:30 that I felt like I was passing anything I have ever

experienced on hallucinogens before.  I felt like I was on an ICBM

and I was leaving the earth’s atmosphere and I seriously doubted

that I would be returning.  I once took 14 hits of acid, and I have

done mushrooms, peyote, even dextromethorphan (which is a

hallucinogen in case you wondered, actually it’s more correctly

called a disassociative like PCP or N2O but anyway…).  This ibo

experience totally blew my ego and my world apart.  It was so far

beyond anything I have ever experienced on any drug.  After my

vision and hearing had become unrealiable, I felt like I had no

reliable sensory input at all.  I felt myself falling and at the

same time I felt like the ibogaine particles were insinuating

themselves between every molecule in my body, disolving me.  And I

also felt like my very soul was disolving.  I felt like an alka-

seltzer in a glass of water and I was scared like I have never been

scared before and death was not just heavy on my mind it was like a

looming entity hanging around just out of site.  In that moment of

complete fear I knew helplessness like never before. So I just

called out with my mind for help.  And this time I was more afraid

of the oblivion I was desending into than I was with the thought

that God might be real.  My thought was, “Please help me!!” but in

the back of my mind I felt like I was thinking, “O.K. God the jig is

up for me, if you are real we need to end this stupid charade or I’m

a goner.”

The easier to understand version goes like this:  I had a

spiritual experience.  The real truth goes like this:  I found God,

or God found me.  It really doesn’t matter.  In that instant when I

asked for help with total honesty and without reservation, I stopped

falling and I felt love like I have never ever felt before and my

fear just melted away.  I still had death heavy on my mind, although

I was no-longer afraid of it for myself.  I think I have always had

a death wish.  My drug use was incredibly destructive and I already

mentioned the suicide attempts, well I think I still had that at

that moment.  And suddenly I saw myself on this line and on one side

was life and one side was death and my heart wasn’t beating and I

wasn’t breathing and God didn’t say, but I understood it like it was

transmitted in words that God was saying, “If this is really what

you want Matt then you can have it, just don’t take another breath

and it’s yours.”  And I looked at death for a second and I saw shit,

and pain, and hopelessness, and most of all I saw a total abscence

of God and I forced myself to take a big breath and at the same time

thought, “NO FUCKING WAY DO I WANT ANY PART OF THAT!!”  And I

understood God to say, “then you don’t have to”.

I basked in the overwhelming love for a long time.  But I felt

extreme shame for myself.  At some point I was made to understand

that God had been waiting for billions upon billions of years,

literally universes of time (more time than I can ever truly

comprehend), just for that moment when I asked for help.  And when I

wondered ashamedely why a being so powerful would do such a thing

for a useless junkie like me I was answered, “because you asked me

to.”  I cried for the next two days straight.  I am still ashamed

today, not paralyzed with guilt mind you, just very ashamed to have

let this being down.  I have felt nothing but love from God, no

judgement at all but for a while I felt like I was about two years

old and had been caught by my parents with my hand in the cookie

jar.  I knew it was wrong to steal from my family, I knew it was

wrong to betray my friends, and yet I did all those things (and so

much more) when I used drugs.  And I knew that God had seen it all,

and I am ashamed of myself.  But I tell you what, that shit is never

going on in my life again.  I can feel that  overwhelming love today

any time I reach out a thought to God.  And if I try I can get right

back to that place of shame with God’s love shining down all around

me.  It feels like sunshine but it blows through me like wind.  I

know what happened to me was real.  I know what I saw and what I was

made to understand and I feel God in my life all the time now.

I remember when I first slept a few days after taking the

ibogaine, I had this long strange dream where all kinds of strange

things happened (I felt like I found and then lost true love with a

woman in this dream in addition to a lot of other strange things)

but I felt God with me the whole time and even when the things that

should have been painful happened, they seemed ok.  Not necessarily

good, just ok, not bad in the slightest.  And I woke up and that

love from God was still there.  Today, sixteen days later, I feel

like I need to make a very minor effort to feel that love, but it is

not far.  I think the reason it is not constant has to do with the

shame I still feel; that and not really knowing how I am supposed to

live yet.  If I think about it, I feel really unworthy of the gift I

have been given, especially in light of how I haved lived my life

before now.  I cannot begin to grasp the effort God made just to

save me when I took a drug to take the easy way out of my

addiction.  So I think I move away from God out of shame and

ignorance, without meaning to, and then I need to make a little

effort to move back.

My friends in A.A. and N.A. tell me not to worry about the

things I did in the past and that I really had no choice, but I seem

to recall being there when I was stealing, and I seem to recall

making the choice to do so.  As I said, God has not judged me in the

slightest for it, but when I feel the power of that love and when I

try to stretch my mind to understand what God did for me, I am

overwhelmed with unworthy feelings.

I now know that I have to take responsibility for everything I

do in this world.  I have changed from this experience in a lot of

profound ways.  One example is I quit eating meat.  It always

bothered me that the rainforests are being burned to make room to

graze cattle, that cows are the third largest source of methane (a

major greenhouse gas) in the world, and that people are starving in

the world even though enough grain is grown to feed everyone, except

so much of it is fed to the cows.  Well I cannot kid myself about it

anymore, everytime I take a bite of beef I take on responsibility

for all that and more.  If I eat a dead animal, I take on

responsibility for the way that animal was raised, the way it lived,

and the way it died.  That’s just one example of how my thinking and

actions have changed.

I am free of my addiction today.  I still have some withdrawal

symptoms but I almost feel guilty for even mentioning them since

they are so minor and unimportant.  Today I no-longer fear

emotions.  I have no desire to change how I feel when I feel sad or

bored or whatever, and I haven’t gotten mad at all.  Before I

couldn’t get a chemical in me fast enough to avoid a so-called bad

emotion.  I believe that dream was God’s way of showing me how to

live.  I can take whatever comes if I just trust God and renew that

connection as often as I can.  I still feel shame when I think about

my past, but I know after my future becomes part of my past I wont

have to feel ashamed.  I am going to do everything in my power to

earn this beautiful gift I have been given.  I am not going to let

this amazing being down again, and I know it won’t let me down

either.  I wish with all my heart I could share this thing with

everyone on this planet, but I don’t know how.  But trust me when I

tell you, there is an intelligent, loving, overwhelmingly powerful

force in this universe.  I call it God because it’s convienient and

it really seems to fit.  If you don’t have a connection to it now,

then find it!  It’s waiting for you and I suspect it has been for a

very, very long time.

I cannot advocate ibogaine as a magic bullet for opiate

addiction based on the deaths from it.  However, if your addiction

has you wishing for death anyway, than maybe it’s the answer for you

too.  I hope this helps somebody somewhere.  I hope this leads you

to what I have found.  I wish the best for everyone who reads these

words, and know that I love and care about everyone of you, and I

don’t need to have met you to know it.

P.S. I am not recieving this ibo mailing list so someone else will

post this for me.  But if you want to email me my address is:

matthew@mailcentro.zzn.com  I usually only check my mail about twice

a week so if you do write me, I will respond but it may not be right

away.

From: Jellking <jellking@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Check this out
Date: July 16, 2003 at 9:44:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good luck as a collegian, Vector!  Haven’t written in a year or so, but couldn’t resist the chance to wish somebody well.  Love and let’s hope Peace, Jane

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From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Check this out
Date: July 16, 2003 at 6:43:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The most important thing to understand about college is that you go
there to learn HOW to think…so make use of it.  All the stuff that is
packaged up for you and presented as knowledge is little more than the
Warren Report.  Go a step further in your thinking and don’t simply
“question authority”…QUESTION EVERYTHING.  Most of what we are taught
is a lie.  When you get down on your hands and knees and begin examining
the gear-works of the universe, you will see that a
whole-lotta-spin-jobbing is going on.

vector620022002@yahoo.com 07/15/03 10:42PM >>>

I am leaving for
college soon, I’ll still be on this list.

Being poorly adjusted to “reality” is merely a clear indication of that
“splinter in your mind that is driving you mad.”  It means that on some
unconscious level, you have always realized that things just aren’t
quite right in the world.  Your poor adjustment to reality is little
more than a natural aversion to something that is rather putrid that you
can’t quite put your finger on.  “Exactly what is that thing?” is the
question that drives us.  Most are too blind or preoccupied to ever
think beyond the version of reality that is ponied up for the
masses…yet they call themselves wise, and persecute those who come to
truly know.

The world needs more people as poorly adjusted to reality as everyone
on this list is.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Check this out
Date: July 15, 2003 at 10:42:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is awesome 🙂

Thanks Howard, you’re very sick. Awesome 🙂

I wanted to take this moment to thank everyone here who has contributed
to expanding my world view over the last 2 years. I am leaving for
college soon, I’ll still be on this list. I don’t even know exactly how
I got on the ibogaine list, I went to phantom, got on Mindvox and ended
up here.

Every one of you has at some time made me feel much better about myself
and made me understand that no matter how screwed up I may be, I’m
doing all right, because everyone on this list makes me seem very well
adjusted and painfully normal.

I love you all.

And you Marc Emery, right on to borrow a line from Curtis. No, that
would be right on bro 😉 Light another 1000 bongs in police stations.
The world needs more people as poorly adjusted to reality as everyone
on this list is. I think that you, Patrick, Dana Beal, and some few
others on here, each in your own way exemplify people whos spaceship
has left orbit. And are way the fuck out there.

I mean that as the highest compliment 🙂

.:vector:.

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
http://anon.ifilm.speedera.net/anon.ifilm/swf/portal/1042502.swf

Interesting??

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Check this out
Date: July 15, 2003 at 6:27:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://anon.ifilm.speedera.net/anon.ifilm/swf/portal/1042502.swf

Interesting??

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Will NIDA continue to say NO?
Date: July 14, 2003 at 9:06:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/14/03 8:36:50 PM, crownofthorns@hushmail.com writes:

This may be a dumb question but who are they saying no to? Is anybody
asking NIDA to do anything or are there any scientists submitting ibogaine
grants?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the last or only one to do that was Dr. Mash
and I did not get the impression she was trying anymore when she spoke
in San Francisco. She wanted to raise $125,000 to finish the phase I
studies but nobody was talking anything about NIDA.

Looking up the ibogaine activity list on MAPS the only studies listed
are Dr. Mash’s, which are all shut down due to lack of funding and Marc
Emery.

http://maps.org/research/index.html#IBOGAINE

Peace out,
Curtis

Yes,  I was referring to Deborah Mash being rudely turned down.  I am
uncertain is Stan Glick has filed a grant application for clinical testing.
Possibly, Deborah will step up to the plate again?

Howard

From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Will NIDA continue to say NO?
Date: July 14, 2003 at 8:35:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This may be a dumb question but who are they saying no to? Is anybody
asking NIDA to do anything or are there any scientists submitting ibogaine
grants?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the last or only one to do that was Dr. Mash
and I did not get the impression she was trying anymore when she spoke
in San Francisco. She wanted to raise $125,000 to finish the phase I
studies but nobody was talking anything about NIDA.

Looking up the ibogaine activity list on MAPS the only studies listed
are Dr. Mash’s, which are all shut down due to lack of funding and Marc
Emery.

http://maps.org/research/index.html#IBOGAINE

Peace out,
Curtis

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:03:18 -0700 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

CENTERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEDICATIONS TO TREAT DRUG DEPENDENCE

RELEASE DATE:  May 23, 2003

RFA: DA-04-003

National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
(http://www.nida.nih.gov)

CATALOG OF FEDERAL DOMESTIC ASSISTANCE NUMBER:  93.279

Letter of Intent Receipt Date:  September 15, 2003
Application Receipt Date:  October 14, 2003

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death
Date: July 14, 2003 at 8:28:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bro that was really cold blooded and really funny 😉

Peace out and don’t believe everything you read!
Curtis

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:44:00 -0700 “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
wrote:
On [Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 08:01:57PM -0700], [Brett Calabrese] wrote:

| I have another title, “Sensationalists heading by Arts
| Correspondent more likely to cause death than subject
| covered”.
|
| “Up to six grams, the maximum safe
| > dosage, produces powerful
| > near-death experiences.
| ”
|
| Is referring to T. Iboga extract commonly known as
| Indra, NOT IBOGAINE. 6 grams of ibogaine is far in
| excess of a safe dose and is likely to cause death.
| For comparison a normal anti-addictive dose of
| ibogaine would be nearer 1 gram. T. Iboga root bark is
| yet another dosage, KNOW YOUR IBOGAINE BEFORE
| INJESTING.

Look at the bright side.  Anybody eats 6gm of HCl and there is 100%
chance their drug dependence problem will be solved.  Whoopsie <KlunK>,

better luck in your next life.  @#*$&! TypoS.

Graham is okay, he’s a maniac, but — at least the last time I saw
him —
he isn’t suicidal.  It’s more like, publicity is neat0.  He’s actually
got
a better than average chance of cleaning up.

laters,

Patrick

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Will NIDA continue to say NO?
Date: July 14, 2003 at 6:03:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

CENTERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEDICATIONS TO TREAT DRUG DEPENDENCE

RELEASE DATE:  May 23, 2003

RFA: DA-04-003

National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
(http://www.nida.nih.gov)

CATALOG OF FEDERAL DOMESTIC ASSISTANCE NUMBER:  93.279

Letter of Intent Receipt Date:  September 15, 2003
Application Receipt Date:  October 14, 2003

THIS REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS (RFA) CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION

o Purpose of this RFA
o Research Objectives
o Mechanism of Support
o Funds Available
o Eligible Institutions
o Individuals Eligible to Become Principal Investigators
o Special Requirements
o Where to Send Inquiries
o Letter of Intent
o Submitting an Application
o Peer Review Process
o Review Criteria
o Receipt and Review Schedule
o Award Criteria
o Required Federal Citations

PURPOSE OF THIS RFA

The purpose of this RFA is to solicit applications for funding research
centers called Medication Development Units (MDUs) directed towards the
identification, evaluation and development of safe and effective medications
for the treatment of cocaine, methamphetamine, club drug, opiate, and
cannabis related disorders, including substance use (abuse and dependence)
and substance-induced disorders such as substance withdrawal and
intoxication.

The applicants must have demonstrated the capability to conduct full-scale
single site clinical trials (placebo-controlled (PC) or active controlled
(AC), double-blind (DB)) using the proposed therapeutic approach.  Applicants
opting to propose multisite trials must have adequately demonstrated efficacy
in a single site PC/AC, DB trial.  Such applicants must also demonstrate the
ability to affiliate rapidly with other sites (through subcontract or
collaborative mechanisms) to launch a multisite Phase II or Phase III PC/AC,
DB trial.

Under this RFA, applicants may focus on human laboratory studies on
medication interactions with other drugs; pharmacokinetic or pharmacodynamic
studies, Phase I safety/tolerability or Phase II or III clinical efficacy
studies; or, if justified, multisite efficacy studies. Research may focus on
both currently approved and/or novel, investigational medications.

Because the treatment of cocaine, methamphetamine, opiate, or cannabis
related disorders necessitates a multidisciplinary approach, optimal
pharmacological treatments require a behavioral treatment strategy.
Therefore, applications may propose the concurrent evaluation of
pharmacotherapy and behavioral treatment approaches in an integrated design,
whereby behavioral treatment components should provide a platform for the
medication trials proposed.  Study designs should be of adequate size and
well controlled.

Proposals for the treatment of opiate dependence will only be considered if
they address unmet clinical needs in this treatment area (i.e., non-opiate
agonist medications, medications to treat opiate-dependent individuals who
have not responded well to currently available medications, or the treatment
of special populations such as opiate-dependent pregnant women and
adolescents).

RESEARCH OBJECTIVES

Background –

As part of NIDA’s strategic plan to significantly reduce drug use-related
disorders, the discovery of safe and effective medications for the treatment
of cocaine and other stimulants, as well as opioid, cannabis and club drug
related disorders, remains a top priority.  This RFA solicits research on
medications to treat a variety of aspects of the immediate and long-term
effects of drug abuse and dependence, such as craving, relapse prevention,
and the physiological and behavioral consequences resulting from drug abuse.
As part of this undertaking, NIDA has made the development of an anti-cocaine
dependence medication its number one priority.  The NIDA Medications
Development Program, aimed at identifying and screening new medications as
potential pharmacotherapies, has become increasingly focused on the
involvement of catecholaminergic systems in cocaine craving and relapse and
the identification and testing of entities which directly or indirectly
modulate these systems. The types of pharmacotherapies this suggests are
dopamine or serotonin receptor agonists and antagonists, pharmacotherapies
that, directly or indirectly, through modulation of GABA, glutamate, or
endocrine systems, affect dopamine, serotonin or noradrenergic transmission.
Additionally, any target medication justified as potentially effective in
modulating aspects of cocaine dependence through other mechanisms is also
appropriate.

There is also a critical need to address the growing problem of
methamphetamine abuse and dependence. The increased HIV risk behaviors and
transmission amongst methamphetamine abusers corroborates the need for safe
and effective pharmacotherapies to treat methamphetamine abuse. The highly
addictive nature of this substance, in addition to its low cost and ease of
production, as well as the serious physiological and neurological
consequences of its abuse, has made methamphetamine dependence a problem of
major proportions.  There are currently no pharmacological treatments for
dependence on methamphetamine.  Medications, which affect dopaminergic or
noradrenergic systems, or that directly or indirectly modulate their
neurotransmission, may be useful to test as treatment agents for amphetamine
abuse.  Additionally, strategies to reduce methamphetamine plasma
concentrations or counteract its pharmacological effects could serve as a
useful adjunct in the management of the acute medical and psychiatric
symptomatology of methamphetamine overdose and methamphetamine-induced
cognitive impairment.

Also of importance would be the development of treatments for specific drug
abusing populations, such as polydrug abusers, individuals with a co-morbid
substance abuse or psychiatric disorder, pregnant addicts, and adolescents,
either as a main focus of the research plan, or as a component or components
thereof.

Research Themes –

The following are some examples of research themes that the Medication
Development Units (MDUs) might utilize:

1. Specific substance abuse disorders: The application may focus on the
development of medications for the treatment of a specific substance use, or
induced disorders with or without other psychiatric comorbidities. For
example Phase I, II or III studies to develop a medication, or medications,
for the treatment of cocaine dependence.

2. The targeting of neurochemical mechanisms implicated in substance abuse
disorders, by the direct or indirect modulation of systems, such as:
a. Cathecolaminergic
b. Glutamatergic
c. Cannabinoid
d. GABA
e. Opioid
f. Endocrine (e.g., CRF)
g. Multiple neurochemical systems

3.  Paradigms to approach substance-related disorders:
a. Initiation of abstinence
b. Relapse prevention
c. Prevention of complications
d. Intervention of surrogate variables of drug abuse

Research Components –

The purpose of the MDU is to foster transdisciplinary collaboration on
cutting edge questions in the treatment of substance-related disorders
(SRDs).
Some examples of research components may include, but are not limited to:

o Developing and testing new chemical entities for treatment of substance-
related disorders.
o Phase I testing of the safety of new medications or medications previously
approved for other indications that may be effective for treatment of SRDs.
o Phase I testing of medications or combinations of medications, for which
safety concerns may exist, or for which a safety assessment may be required
by the Food and Drug Administration, before Phase II trials may begin.
o Phase II clinical trials testing the efficacy of medications using rapid
screening methods (Phase IIa) or large scale, randomized, well-controlled
clinical trials (Phase IIb).
o Multicenter clinical trials to test medications for specific clinical
conditions for which it is difficult to recruit subjects in a timely manner.
For example, studies testing medications for the treatment of substance use
disorders in pregnant women or adolescents.
o Testing of potentially additive or synergistic neurochemical mechanisms
using one medication with action in multiple mechanisms of action, or
combinations of medications each targeting a different mechanism.
o Development of new human laboratory models for evaluation of medications
for relapse prevention, initiation, and abstinence.
o Developing and testing new paradigms of treatment success.
o Optimizing the safety or efficacy of approved medications for substance-
related disorders by testing them in specific patient populations
o Testing drug-drug interactions between medications for treatment of SRDs
and other drugs/medications, including but not exclusively, illicit drugs,
anti-retroviral medications, anti-psychotic medications, etc.
o Increasing the diversity of populations in whom the medications are tested
by increasing the representation of women and minority groups in clinical
trials or by designing clinical trials that specifically address the
treatment needs of those groups.
o Pioneering methods to design and conduct clinical trials that will be more
cost-efficient while yielding reliable results.
o Innovative statistical approaches to conduct sample size estimations,
control covariates, and assess treatment outcome.
o Using pharmacogenetics and pharmacogenomic techniques to assess genetic
factors that may influence the outcome of treatment of SRD.
o Investigating innovative imaging technologies to assess subjects’
suitability for specific treatments as well as treatment progress and
outcome.
o Developing novel psychotherapeutic techniques to be utilized as a
standardized co-adjuvant therapy for subjects participating in medications
clinical trials.
o Adapting behavioral therapies that have been shown efficacious and testing
them as part of medication clinical trials.
o Novel strategies for the treatment of multiple comorbid substance-related
disorders. For example, illicit drug use plus alcohol and tobacco or comorbid
opiate and cocaine (“speedball”) dependence.
o Innovative approaches of the treatment of substance-related disorders with
other medical and psychiatric comorbidities including, but not exclusively,
hepatitis C, HIV infection, anxiety-related disorders, mood disorders,
personality disorders, etc.
o Evaluation of biopsychosocial factors that may affect the treatment outcome
of SRDs.

MECHANISM OF SUPPORT

This RFA will use the National Institutes of Health (NIH) specialized
research center grant (P50) mechanism. As an applicant you will be solely
responsible for planning, directing, and executing the proposed project.
This RFA is a one-time solicitation.  Future unsolicited, competing-
continuation applications based on this project will compete with all
investigator-initiated applications and will be reviewed according to the
customary peer review procedures.  The anticipated award date is July 2004.

Applications that are not funded in the competition described in this RFA may
be resubmitted as NEW investigator-initiated applications using the standard
receipt dates for NEW applications described in the instructions to the PHS
398 application.

This program does not require cost sharing as defined in the current NIH
Grants Policy Statement at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/nihgps_2001/part_i_1.htm.

FUNDS AVAILABLE

NIDA intends to commit approximately $5.5 million in total costs in FY 2004
to fund 5 to 7 new and/or competitive continuation grants in response to this
RFA. An applicant may request a project period of up to five years.  Because
the nature and scope of the proposed research will vary from application to
application, it is anticipated that the size and duration of each award will
also vary. Although the financial plans of NIDA provide support for this
program, awards pursuant to this RFA are contingent upon the availability of
funds and the receipt of a sufficient number of meritorious applications.

The size of individual awards will vary as a function of the nature and scope
of the research proposed.  It is anticipated the upper limit of each award
will be $1,200,000 in total costs (direct plus indirect costs) and
applications over this amount will not be accepted for review.  Budget
requests should be carefully justified and commensurate with the complexity
of the project.

ELIGIBLE INSTITUTIONS

You may submit (an) application(s) if your institution has any of the
following characteristics:

o For-profit or non-profit organizations
o Public or private institutions, such as universities, colleges, hospitals,
and laboratories
o Units of State and local governments
o Eligible agencies of the Federal government
o Domestic or foreign
o Faith-based or community-based organizations

INDIVIDUALS ELIGIBLE TO BECOME PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS

Any individual with the skills, knowledge, and resources necessary to carry
out the proposed research is invited to work with their institution to
develop an application for support.  Individuals from underrepresented racial
and ethnic groups as well as individuals with disabilities are always
encouraged to apply for NIH programs.

SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS

The MDU Director must possess recognized scientific and administrative
competence.  The Center Director must show a substantial commitment of time
and effort (minimum 25%) to the program and exercise leadership in steering
the MDU direction and maintenance of its quality control.  Center Directors
must not direct more than one NIDA Center.  Management support and shared
functions may be accomplished through an administrative core and scientific
core components.  Scientific cores may propose plans for project management
and sharing of clinical resources, laboratory equipment and support,
statistical support, etc.  The Administrative Core should provide for central
operations, oversight activities, technical support and exercise of
leadership for the overall project management, as well as integration,
communication and coordination of the MDU. As part of the Core, each
application should include a plan for data entry to the NIDA Clinical Trial
Portfolio System (CTPS) and designation of dedicated staff for data entry to
the system. Applicants may obtain information regarding the CTPS from the
NIDA contact. Applicants may want to consider the addition of a plan for the
contribution of data/samples for genotyping to NIDA’s Human Genome
Consortium.

The applicant must demonstrate that he/she has plans and facilities for
career development and mentoring of junior investigators in the area of drug
abuse research and treatment.

Pilot Projects

1.  The applicants may propose and request funding for specific, already
conceptualized pilot projects, which may be “research and development”
pilots, feasibility studies, or other pilot work broadly defined as
foundation work for further research. These pilot studies will be reviewed by
the scientific review group as part of the assessment of scientific and
technical merit.

2.  In addition, applicants may request funds for pilot projects that are yet
to be conceptualized. These projects should have the potential for developing
into, or providing the foundation for, larger projects that could compete for
funds on their own. The support of pilot project studies should be of
relatively short duration (e.g., 1-2 years), depending upon the nature of the
research. Because these projects cannot be reviewed by the scientific review
group, applicants must describe and provide a process for a within-center
scientific review of pilot projects. In general, the total amount of money
allocated to yet-to-be-conceptualized pilot projects should not exceed 10% of
the center grant’s total annual direct costs, and exceptions must be strongly
justified.

3.  Whether specifically proposed in the application or developed later under
center auspices, pilot projects must comply with applicable NIH policies, and
the necessary human subject and animal welfare assurances must be submitted.

4.  For projects not specifically proposed in the application, center
grantees are to provide the NIDA program officer with written notification of
the initiation of new pilot projects. The notification should contain a brief
description of, and rationale for, the planned pilot project, the amount of
pilot funds to be allocated to the project, the proposed length of the
project, and a statement that the project will comply with applicable NIH
policies and that the necessary assurances have been submitted and obtained.
The program officer must also be provided with assurance that the projects
have received an appropriate within-center scientific review.

WHERE TO SEND INQUIRIES

We encourage inquiries concerning this RFA and welcome the opportunity to
answer questions from potential applicants.  Inquiries may fall into three
areas:  scientific/research, peer review, and financial or grants management
issues:

o Direct your questions about scientific/research issues to:

Jamie Biswas, Ph.D.
Division of Treatment Research and Development
National Institute on Drug Abuse/NIH/DHHS
6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 4123, MSC 9551
Bethesda, MD  20892-9551
Telephone: (301) 443-8096
FAX: (301) 443-9649
Email:  jb168r@nih.gov

o Direct your questions about peer review issues to:

Teresa Levitin, Ph.D.
Office of Extramural Affairs
National Institute on Drug Abuse/NIH/DHHS
6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 3158, MSC 9547
Bethesda, MD  20892-9547
Telephone:  (301) 443-2755
FAX:  (301) 443-0538
Email:  tl25u@nih.gov

o Direct your questions about financial or grants management matters to:

Gary Fleming, J.D., M.A.
Grants Management Branch
National Institute on Drug Abuse/NIH/DHHS
6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 3131, MSC 9541
Bethesda, MD  20892-9541
Telephone:  (301) 443-6710
FAX:  (301) 594-6847
Email:  gf6s@nih.gov

LETTER OF INTENT

Prospective applicants are asked to submit a letter of intent that includes
the following information:

o Descriptive title of the proposed research
o Name, address, and telephone number of the Principal Investigator
o Names of other key personnel
o Participating institutions
o Number and title of this RFA

Although a letter of intent is not required, is not binding, and does not
enter into the review of a subsequent application, the information that it
contains allows NIDA staff to estimate the potential review workload and plan
the review.

The letter of intent is to be sent by the date listed at the beginning of
this document.  The letter of intent should be sent to:

Director
Office of Extramural Affairs
National Institute on Drug Abuse/NIH/DHHS
6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 3158, MSC 9547
Bethesda, MD  20892-9547
Telephone:  (301) 443-2755
FAX:  (301) 443-0538
Email:  tl25u@nih.gov

SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION

Applications must be prepared using the PHS 398 research grant application
instructions and forms (rev. 5/2001).  The PHS 398 is available at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/phs398/phs398.html in an interactive
format.  For further assistance contact GrantsInfo, Telephone (301) 435-0714,
Email: GrantsInfo@nih.gov.

USING THE RFA LABEL: The RFA label available in the PHS 398 (rev. 5/2001)
application form must be affixed to the bottom of the face page of the
application.  Type the RFA number on the label.  Failure to use this label
could result in delayed processing of the application such that it may not
reach the review committee in time for review.  In addition, the RFA title
and number must be typed on line 2 of the face page of the application form
and the YES box must be marked. The RFA label is also available at:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/phs398/label-bk.pdf.

Applicants are encouraged to organize their application by initially
presenting the face page, the abstract page with key personnel, a table of
contents, summary budget pages for the entire MDU, and other documentation
pertaining to the entire MDU.  This should be followed by an Introductory
Section of no more than three pages.  It should be written for the proposed
MDU application describing it as a whole with respect to the overall theme,
goals, objectives, and overall research plan.  The Introductory Section
should contain information on i) the overall research theme, ii) timelines
and milestones for each project in a graphic outline to clearly lay out the
sequence of research events and how each project of the MDU relates to each
other, iii) the capacity of the MDU to conduct adequately sized clinical
trials for the targeted indications within a time frame of 2-3 years per
project, and iv) the capability of the proposed Principal Investigator and
his/her institution to carry out the scientific and administrative duties
required in this RFA.

After the introductory section, each core and research project should be
presented with its accompanying individual budget, budget justification,
biographical sketches, other support information, and research plan. For each
core and research project component, there is a 25-page limit for the
sections of the research plan (i.e., specific aims, background and
significance, preliminary studies/progress report, and research design and
methods) as indicated in the form PHS 398. Appendix material limits apply to
each component separately; each component’s appendix may include up to 10
publications, manuscripts, abstracts, patents, or other printed material
directly related to the project.  Surveys, questionnaires, data collection
instruments, and clinical protocols may also be submitted in the appendix.
Original glossy photographs or color images may be included, provided that a
photocopy (that may be reduced in size) is included within the 25-pages of
the research plan.  Applications exceeding page limits, font limits, or
appendix limits will be returned to the applicant without review. Appendices
should not be placed within the body of the application, but should be
bundled separately, component by component.

Competing renewal applications must include final progress reports from their
previous P50 grant-sponsored studies for evaluation.

SENDING AN APPLICATION TO THE NIH: Submit a signed, typewritten original of
the application, including the Checklist, and three signed, photocopies, in
one package to:

Center For Scientific Review
National Institutes Of Health
6701 Rockledge Drive, Room 1040, MSC 7710
Bethesda, MD  20892-7710
Bethesda, MD  20817 (for express/courier service)

At the time of submission, two additional copies of the application and the
entire set of appendices must be sent to:

Director
Office of Extramural Affairs
National Institute on Drug Abuse/NIH/DHHS
6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 3158, MSC 9547
Bethesda, MD  20892-9547
Telephone:  (301) 443-2755
FAX:  (301) 443-0538
Email:  tl25u@nih.gov

APPLICATION PROCESSING: Applications must be received on or before the
application receipt date listed in the heading of this RFA.  If an
application is received after that date, it will be returned to the applicant
without review.

Although there is no immediate acknowledgement of the receipt of an
application, applicants are generally notified of the review and funding
assignment within 8 weeks.

The Center for Scientific Review (CSR) will not accept any application in
response to this RFA that is essentially the same as one currently pending
initial review, unless the applicant withdraws the pending application.
However, when a previously unfunded application originally submitted as an
investigator-initiated application, is to be submitted in response to an RFA,
it is to be prepared as a NEW application.  That is the application for the
RFA must not include an Introduction describing the changes and improvements
made, and the text must not be marked to indicate the changes.  While the
investigator may still benefit from the previous review, the RFA application
is not to state explicitly how.

PEER REVIEW PROCESS

Upon receipt, applications will be reviewed for completeness by the CSR and
responsiveness by NIDA.  Incomplete and/or non-responsive applications will
be returned to the applicant without further consideration.

Applications that are complete and responsive to the RFA will be evaluated
for scientific and technical merit by an appropriate peer review group
convened by NIDA in accordance with the review criteria stated below.  As
part of the initial merit review, all applications will:

o Receive a written critique
o Undergo a process in which only those applications deemed to have the
highest scientific merit, generally the top half of the applications under
review, will be discussed and assigned a priority score
o Receive a second level review by the National Advisory Council on Drug
Abuse.

REVIEW CRITERIA

The goals of NIH-supported research are to advance our understanding of
biological systems, improve the control of disease, and enhance health.  In
the written comments, reviewers will be asked to discuss the following
aspects of your application in order to judge the likelihood that the
proposed research will have a substantial impact on the pursuit of these
goals.

A.  MDU as an Integrated Effort:

(1) Quality of integration of center components to an over-arching theme that
integrates and focuses the center, as well as the presence of an essential
relationship of each component to the theme. Interdependency and linkages of
components to each other need to be demonstrated for at least a significant
nucleus of components.

(2)  Evidence of synergy as components are configured in the application. To
aid in this determination, reviewers may look at the quality of provisions
for the sharing of resources, procedures for formal and informal planning,
and plans for developmental or pilot work in order to determine if the
application reflects a depth and breadth of expertise and experience not
normally present in an individual research project grant.

(3) The involvement of different scientific disciplines or subdisciplines in
the center’s activities and the demonstration of substantial interaction
among scientists from different disciplines or subdisciplines and different
perspectives.

(4)  Research Environment and Facilities:

(a)  Plans for development and maintenance of an environment that promotes
the conduct of the highest quality of research, innovation, and leadership.
Demonstrations of past productivity are evidence of likely future
productivity, especially in competing renewal applications.
(b) Appropriateness and adequacy of facilities for administrative, research,
and shared resources, including a clearly identifiable physical location for
the center which assures necessary functions can occur.
(c) Facilities that indicate the center is, or would soon be, a national
scientific research resource.
(d) Evidence that core components contribute toward cost-effectiveness and
quality control in resource utilization.
(e) Quality and extent of data analytic capacities, data base facilities,
coordination, and data resources.
(f) As needed, the quality of provisions for shared laboratory resources, the
quality of laboratory space, and the quality of clinical facilities.

(5) Qualifications of the Center Director:

(a) Ability to lead a scientific program (including a program with training
components, if included), as noted by scientific achievements, productivity,
stature in a relevant field, and planned activities.
(b) Ability to lead administrative and operational aspects of the center, as
noted by administrative skills, achievements, and planned activities.
(c) Evidence of ability to develop or maintain a role for the center as a
national resource.
(d) Adequacy of commitment of time and effort for the research and
administration of the center. (A minimum of 35% effort on activities directly
supported by the center funding is required.)

6.  Qualifications of Investigators:

(a) Quality of cadre of investigators and their productivity, as noted by
their scientific achievements, honors, and recognition.
(b) Quality of interactions among investigators and investigative teams.
(c) Breadth of expertise represented among investigators.
(d) Quality of investigators at collaborating sites and the nature of
collaborations.

7.  Administrative and Organizational Structure:

(a) Organizational and administrative structure and support conducive to
research, synergy, and joint planning.
(b) Structure for long-range planning and evaluation of center activities.
(c) Programmatic structure that effectively promotes productive scientific
interactions and takes maximum advantage of the applicant institution’s drug
abuse research capacity.
(d) Arrangements for internal quality control of research, publications, and
grant applications.
(e) An organizational structure with clear lines of authority that allow for
efficient and cost-effective management and allocation of funds, as well as
leverage of resources to enable additional or future work. Evidence of how
the center has attracted additional sources of funding or leveraged resources
is especially relevant for competing continuation applications.
(f) Outside advisory structures that provide appropriate and objective advice
and evaluation, as needed.
(g) An appropriate, fully described internal process that allows for priority
setting and decision making to sustain the center.
(h) Appropriate specification of criteria and processes for determining and
sustaining individual participation in the center based on productivity,
research direction, and overall contribution.
(i) Clear and convincing evidence of the applicant institution’s substantial
commitment to the center and appreciation of its goals and role in public
health.
(j) Adequacy of provisions, especially in core components, for sharing of
data base development and analytic capacities. Innovative, state-of-the-art
analytic capability.
(k) As needed, plans for recruitment, training, and supervision of staff.

8.  Mentoring and Career Development:

The capacity (including plans and facilities) to provide career development
and mentoring for potential drug abuse researchers.

B.  Criteria to be used for determination of scientific merit of individual
scientific project components:

o Significance
o Approach
o Innovation
o Investigator
o Environment

The scientific review group will address and consider each of these criteria
in evaluating your individual projects, weighting them as appropriate for
each application.  The projects do not need to be strong in all categories to
be judged likely to have major scientific impact and thus deserve a high
priority score.  For example, you may propose to carry out important work
that by its nature is not innovative but is essential to move a field
forward.

SIGNIFICANCE:  Does this study address an important problem or
pharmacotherapy? If the aims of the application are achieved, how will
scientific knowledge be advanced?  What will be the effect of these studies
on the concepts or methods that drive this field?  Would the generated data
support the advancement of a pharmacotherapy toward advanced efficacy trials
or support an NDA?

APPROACH:  Are the conceptual framework, design, methods, and analyses
adequately developed, well integrated, and appropriate to the aims of the
project?  Does the applicant acknowledge potential problem areas and consider
alternative tactics?

Does the proposal present a medication testing and development plan?  Is the
research theme clearly presented and supported by a strong rationale?  Are
timelines and milestones for each project presented in a graphic outline
(Gantt and Pert charts)?  Does it clearly lay out the sequence of research
events and how each project of the MDU relates to each other?  Are criteria
for go/no go decisions included at critical points in the plan?

Does it provide assurance of accessibility to patient populations and
controls?  Does the PI demonstrate the feasibility to recruit human subjects
for the study?

Does the proposal address data management and statistical resource?  Does
each project propose a plan for data management and demonstrate appropriate
statistical resources to manage, analyze clinical data and draft summary
reports to support an IND and possible NIDA submission?  Does it propose a
plan to publish and disseminate the findings to health professionals and the
general community?

INNOVATION:  Does the project employ novel concepts, approaches or methods?
Are the aims original and innovative?  Does the project challenge existing
paradigms or develop new methodologies or technologies?

INVESTIGATOR: Are the investigators appropriately trained and well suited to
carry out this work?  Is the work proposed appropriate to the experience
level of the principal investigator and to that of other researchers (if any)?

ENVIRONMENT:  Does the scientific environment in which the work will be done
contribute to the probability of success?  Do the proposed experiments take
advantage of unique features of the scientific environment or employ useful
collaborative arrangements?  Is there evidence of institutional support?

PILOT STUDIES:  What is the likelihood that the proposed research will
contribute to the development of more mature and important research projects?

C.  Criteria to be used for determination of scientific merit of core
components:

Core Units provide essential facilities or services for the individual
projects, including administrative arrangements and organization to
facilitate and monitor the attainment of objectives and quality control.  For
example, the cores may include plans to enhance communication and cooperation
among the investigators involved in the program and mechanisms for the
allocations of funds for day-to-day management, project management and
tracking, contractual agreements and procedures for the replacement of key
personnel, such as the principal investigators, if required on an interim or
permanent basis.

The evaluation of administrative and scientific cores will include the
following criteria:

SIGNIFICANCE:  The importance and value of the proposed core?  What crucial
support is provided to the research projects?  Are the most efficient means
identified?  How do they enhance the effectiveness of individual projects?
Are mechanisms identified to promote research collaborations, to develop new
strategies, or to conduct pilot experiments?

Are specialized substance abuse research clinics available?  Has the
possibility of an advisory steering committee been considered to evaluate
progress of the program?

What standardized tests, interventions, and evaluations are administered
through the core?  Are uniform operating systems proposed?  Does the plan
give careful consideration to overall timelines, choice and accessibility of
medications, patient recruitment issues, data management, and statistical
resources?  Is interface with FDA and other regularity agencies considered?

APPROACH:  The effectiveness of administrative arrangements and
organizational structure to facilitate and monitor the attainment of
objectives and internal quality control, and plans to enhance communication
and cooperation among the investigators involved in the program.
Establishment of mechanisms for the allocation of funds for day-to-day
management.  A well-designed management plan that clearly defines the lines
of authority, development timelines, points of  go/no go decisions, and
clearly demonstrates that resources will be used efficiently in reaching the
goals.

INNOVATION:  Are innovative ways proposed in utilizing shared resources or
benefiting from the principal investigator’s leadership to support research
projects, retain integrity, achieve efficiency, or minimize utilization of
resources?

INVESTIGATORS:  The leadership and administrative capability of the principal
investigator.  The need for an external advisory board.

ENVIRONMENT:  The quality and adequacy of available resources necessary to
perform the research and the willingness to work as part of the cooperative
program and with NIDA Scientific Coordinators.  The documented commitment of
the applicant institution and capability to serve as the Central Operations
Office for the program.

ADDITIONAL REVIEW CRITERIA

In addition to the review criteria cited above and in the NIDA Center
guidelines, sites submitting renewal applications must include final progress
reports from their previous P50 grant-sponsored studies.   Past progress will
be evaluated.

In addition to the above criteria, the following items will be considered in
the determination of scientific merit and the priority score.

PROTECTION OF HUMAN SUBJECTS FROM RESEARCH RISK: The involvement of human
subjects and protections from research risk relating to their participation
in the proposed research will be assessed. (See criteria included in the
section on Federal Citations, below).  Each clinical trial proposal is
required to include an initial plan for data and safety monitoring.

INCLUSION OF WOMEN, MINORITIES AND CHILDREN IN RESEARCH: The adequacy of
plans to include subjects from both genders, all racial and ethnic groups
(and subgroups), and children as appropriate for the scientific goals of the
research.  Plans for the recruitment and retention of subjects will also be
evaluated. (See Inclusion Criteria in the sections on Federal Citations,
below).

CARE AND USE OF VERTEBRATE ANIMALS IN RESEARCH: If vertebrate animals are to
be used in the project, the five items described under Section f of the PHS
398 research grant application instructions (rev. 5/2001) will be assessed.

ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS

BUDGET:  The reasonableness of the proposed budget and the requested period
of support in relation to the proposed research.

Applicants from institutions that have a General Clinical Research Center
(GCRC) funded by the National Center for Research Resources, NIH, or a
comparably supported clinical research facility are encouraged to explore the
possibility of using the facilities or arranging for other means to conduct
some of the center’s proposed research.  If an applicant wishes to identify a
GCRC or comparably supported clinical research facility as a source for
conducting proposed research, a letter of agreement from the program director
or PI of the GCRC or comparably supported clinical research facility should
be included in the application material.

The applicants may request funds for use of inpatient, residential, or
outpatient facilities which are essential to the conduct of the research
(e.g., patient bed costs, research ward costs, outpatient facility and other
health services costs).  In such cases of paying for beds, facilities,
services, etc., funds will be provided only when it is clear that no other
funds are available and the services are essential to the conduct of the
research.

RECEIPT AND REVIEW SCHEDULE

Letter of Intent Receipt Date:  September 15, 2003
Application Receipt Date:  October 14, 2003
Peer Review Date:  February/March 2004
Council Review:  May 2004
Earliest Anticipated Start Date:  July 2004

AWARD CRITERIA

Award criteria that will be used to make award decisions include:

o Scientific merit (as determined by peer review)
o Availability of funds
o Programmatic priorities.

REQUIRED FEDERAL CITATIONS

HUMAN SUBJECTS PROTECTION: Federal regulations (45CFR46) require that
applications and proposals involving human subjects must be evaluated with
reference to the risks to the subjects, the adequacy of protection against
these risks, the potential benefits of the research to the subjects and
others, and the importance of the knowledge gained or to be gained.
http://ohrp.osophs.dhhs.gov/humansubjects/guidance/45cfr46.htm

DATA AND SAFETY MONITORING PLAN OR BOARD: Research components involving
Phases I and II clinical trials must include provisions for assessment of
patient eligibility and status, rigorous data management, quality assurance,
and auditing procedures.  In addition, it is NIH policy that all clinical
trials require data and safety monitoring, with the method and degree of
monitoring being commensurate with the risks (NIH Policy for Data Safety and
Monitoring, NIH Guide for Grants and Contracts, June 12, 1998:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/not98-084.html and
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-00-038.html), and
http://www.drugabuse.gov/Funding/DSMBSOP.html.

INCLUSION OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES IN CLINICAL RESEARCH: It is the policy of
the NIH that women and members of minority groups and their sub-populations
must be included in all NIH-supported clinical research projects unless a
clear and compelling justification is provided indicating that inclusion is
inappropriate with respect to the health of the subjects or the purpose of
the research. This policy results from the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993
(Section 492B of Public Law 103-43).

All investigators proposing clinical research should read the “NIH Guidelines
for Inclusion of Women and Minorities as Subjects in Clinical Research –
Amended, October, 2001,” published in the NIH Guide for Grants and Contracts
on October 9, 2001 (http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-02-
001.html); a complete copy of the updated Guidelines are available at http:
//grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/women_min/guidelines_amended_10_2001.htm.
The amended policy incorporates: the use of an NIH definition of clinical
research; updated racial and ethnic categories in compliance with the new OMB
standards; clarification of language governing NIH-defined Phase III clinical
trials consistent with the new PHS Form 398; and updated roles and
responsibilities of NIH staff and the extramural community.  The policy
continues to require for all NIH-defined Phase III clinical trials that: a)
all applications or proposals and/or protocols must provide a description of
plans to conduct analyses, as appropriate, to address differences by
sex/gender and/or racial/ethnic groups, including subgroups if applicable;
and
b) investigators must report annual accrual and progress in conducting
analyses, as appropriate, by sex/gender and/or racial/ethnic group
differences.

INCLUSION OF CHILDREN AS PARTICIPANTS IN RESEARCH INVOLVING HUMAN SUBJECTS:
The NIH maintains a policy that children (i.e., individuals under the age of
21) must be included in all human subjects research, conducted or supported
by the NIH, unless there are scientific and ethical reasons not to include
them. This policy applies to all initial (Type 1) applications submitted for
receipt dates after October 1, 1998.

All investigators proposing research involving human subjects should read the
“NIH Policy and Guidelines” on the inclusion of children as participants in
research involving human subjects that is available at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/children/children.htm.

HIV/AIDS COUNSELING AND TESTING POLICY FOR THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON DRUG
ABUSE:  Researchers funded by NIDA who are conducting research in community
outreach settings, clinical, hospital settings, or clinical laboratories and
have ongoing contact with clients at risk for HIV infection, are strongly
encouraged to provide HIV risk reduction education and counseling.  HIV
counseling should include offering HIV testing available on-site or by
referral to other HIV testing service for persons at risk for HIV infection
including injecting drug users, crack cocaine users, and sexually active drug
users and their sexual partners.  For more information see
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-DA-01-001.html.

NATIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL ON DRUG ABUSE RECOMMENDED GUIDELINES FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION OF DRUGS TO HUMAN SUBJECTS:  The National Advisory Council on
Drug Abuse recognizes the importance of research involving the administration
of drugs to human subjects and has developed guidelines relevant to such
research.   Potential applicants are encouraged to obtain and review these
recommendations of Council before submitting an application that will
administer compounds to human subjects.  The guidelines are available on
NIDA’s Home Page at www.nida.nih.gov under the Funding, or may be obtained by
calling (301) 443-2755.

REQUIRED EDUCATION ON THE PROTECTION OF HUMAN SUBJECT PARTICIPANTS: NIH
policy requires education on the protection of human subject participants for
all investigators submitting NIH proposals for research involving human
subjects.  You will find this policy announcement in the NIH Guide for Grants
and Contracts Announcement, dated June 5, 2000, at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-00-039.html.

HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS (hESC): Criteria for federal funding of research
on hESCs can be found at http://grants.nih.gov/grants/stem_cells.htm and at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-02-005.html.  Only
research using hESC lines that are registered in the NIH Human Embryonic Stem
Cell Registry will be eligible for Federal funding (see http://escr.nih.gov).

It is the responsibility of the applicant to provide the official NIH
identifier(s)for the hESC line(s)to be used in the proposed research.
Applications that do not provide this information will be returned without
review.

PUBLIC ACCESS TO RESEARCH DATA THROUGH THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT: The
Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Circular A-110 has been revised to
provide public access to research data through the Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) under some circumstances.  Data that are (1) first produced in a
project that is supported in whole or in part with Federal funds and (2)
cited publicly and officially by a Federal agency in support of an action
that has the force and effect of law (i.e., a regulation) may be accessed
through FOIA.  It is important for applicants to understand the basic scope
of this amendment.  NIH has provided guidance at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/a110/a110_guidance_dec1999.htm.

Applicants may wish to place data collected under this PA in a public
archive, which can provide protections for the data and manage the
distribution for an indefinite period of time.  If so, the application should
include a description of the archiving plan in the study design and include
information about this in the budget justification section of the
application. In addition, applicants should think about how to structure
informed consent statements and other human subjects procedures given the
potential for wider use of data collected under this award.

STANDARDS FOR PRIVACY OF INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIABLE HEALTH INFORMATION:  The
Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) issued final modification to
the “Standards for Privacy of Individually Identifiable Health Information”,
the “Privacy Rule,” on August 14, 2002.  The Privacy Rule is a federal
regulation under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act
(HIPAA) of 1996 that governs the protection of individually identifiable
health information, and is administered and enforced by the DHHS Office for
Civil Rights (OCR). Those who must comply with the Privacy Rule (classified
under the Rule as “covered entities”) must do so by April 14, 2003  (with the
exception of small health plans which have an extra year to comply).

Decisions about applicability and implementation of the Privacy Rule reside
with the researcher and his/her institution. The OCR website
(http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/) provides information on the Privacy Rule, including
a complete Regulation Text and a set of decision tools on “Am I a covered
entity?”  Information on the impact of the HIPAA Privacy Rule on NIH
processes involving the review, funding, and progress monitoring of grants,
cooperative agreements, and research contracts can be found at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-03-025.html.

URLs IN NIH GRANT APPLICATIONS OR APPENDICES: All applications and proposals
for NIH funding must be self-contained within specified page limitations.
Unless otherwise specified in an NIH solicitation, Internet addresses (URLs)
should not be used to provide information necessary to the review because
reviewers are under no obligation to view the Internet sites. Furthermore, we
caution reviewers that their anonymity may be compromised when they directly
access an Internet site.

HEALTHY PEOPLE 2010: The Public Health Service (PHS) is committed to
achieving the health promotion and disease prevention objectives of “Healthy
People 2010,” a PHS-led national activity for setting priority areas. This
RFA is related to one or more of the priority areas. Potential applicants may
obtain a copy of “Healthy People 2010” at
http://www.health.gov/healthypeople.

AUTHORITY AND REGULATIONS: This program is described in the Catalog of
Federal Domestic Assistance at http://www.cfda.gov/ and is not subject to the
intergovernmental review requirements of Executive Order 12372 or Health
Systems Agency review.  Awards are made under the authorization of Sections
301 and 405 of the Public Health Service Act as amended (42 USC 241 and 284)
and under Federal Regulations 42 CFR 52 and 45 CFR Parts 74 and 92. All
awards are subject to the terms and conditions, cost principles, and other
considerations described in the NIH Grants Policy Statement.  The NIH Grants
Policy Statement can be found at
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/policy.htm.

The PHS strongly encourages all grant recipients to provide a smoke-free
workplace and discourage the use of all tobacco products.  In addition,
Public Law 103-227, the Pro-Children Act of 1994, prohibits smoking in
certain facilities (or in some cases, any portion of a facility) in which
regular or routine education, library, day care, health care, or early
childhood development services are provided to children.  This is consistent
with the PHS mission to protect and advance the physical and mental health of
the American people.

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 14, 2003 at 4:11:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:49:06PM -0700], [Brett Calabrese] wrote:

| — crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:
| >
| > Bro this is something I wonder about too. Everyone I
| > have ever talked
| > to whos done ibo to get off heroin and then done it
| > again without having
| > a habit, has said that it was much more intense when
| > theyre doing it
| > to get clean instead of doing it to trip.
|
| Do you know the dosages involved, while addicted vs
| not addicted? Typically people do more ibogaine for
| addiction than non-addiction reasons (outside of
| rituals). While I didn’t do ibo my first time for
| opiate addiction it was my highest dose, was the most
| intense but not the most visionary – vs other times
| both addicted and non-addicted. I couldn’t begin to
| guess how the various effects (or how intense even at
| the same dosage) will hit me the next time I a full

Dunno, my experience is similar.  The first dose I did ibogaine to get
unsprung, when I was stepping offa dope, methadone and benzos, really
rocked my world.  There is a whole lot of Other Stuff going on, when
you’re dosing while drug-dependent, vs. clean.

HCl is sorta like being nuked; Indra has much richer visuals, and follows
more of a journey type, progression, thing, scenario, scripT.

But, uhm, ta summarize: much more intense when dosing to get unsprung.  In
my experience anywaze, your milage may vary.

| dose (non-addiction) but whatever it is and visions or
| not it will be exactly what I need.

Yeah, basically.  AgreeD.

laters,

Patrick

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death
Date: July 14, 2003 at 3:44:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: editor@sundayherald.com, liam.mcdougall@sundayherald.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 08:01:57PM -0700], [Brett Calabrese] wrote:

| I have another title, “Sensationalists heading by Arts
| Correspondent more likely to cause death than subject
| covered”.
|
| “Up to six grams, the maximum safe
| > dosage, produces powerful
| > near-death experiences.
| ”
|
| Is referring to T. Iboga extract commonly known as
| Indra, NOT IBOGAINE. 6 grams of ibogaine is far in
| excess of a safe dose and is likely to cause death.
| For comparison a normal anti-addictive dose of
| ibogaine would be nearer 1 gram. T. Iboga root bark is
| yet another dosage, KNOW YOUR IBOGAINE BEFORE
| INJESTING.

Look at the bright side.  Anybody eats 6gm of HCl and there is 100%
chance their drug dependence problem will be solved.  Whoopsie <KlunK>,
better luck in your next life.  @#*$&! TypoS.

Graham is okay, he’s a maniac, but — at least the last time I saw him —
he isn’t suicidal.  It’s more like, publicity is neat0.  He’s actually got
a better than average chance of cleaning up.

laters,

Patrick

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death
Date: July 14, 2003 at 12:52:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said Brett, well said.
Sorry for the pithy note here, but I figured I should at least make an
effort as that way Brett’s clear and concise reply to this sensationalistic
story can be read again by everyone.
;-))
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Brett Calabrese
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: editor@sundayherald.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own
death

I have another title, “Sensationalists heading by Arts
Correspondent more likely to cause death than subject
covered”.

“Up to six grams, the maximum safe
dosage, produces powerful
near-death experiences.

Is referring to T. Iboga extract commonly known as
Indra, NOT IBOGAINE. 6 grams of ibogaine is far in
excess of a safe dose and is likely to cause death.
For comparison a normal anti-addictive dose of
ibogaine would be nearer 1 gram. T. Iboga root bark is
yet another dosage, KNOW YOUR IBOGAINE BEFORE
INJESTING.

Why couldn’t it be a simple title, “Documentry writer
eats forbidden fruit, battles Devil”? That is much
closer to the truth. I mean nothing about the subject
is in there, no magic herb mentioned, addiction or
even risk life to (for sensationalism) treat
addiction… THat is it, … may film his own death.
Is all you (sundayherald) like is death, where the
HOPE involved with ibogaine, the more likely event is
his success,  not his death,  that is not the reason
for the film. You get in a car, walk across the
street, eat out, fly in planes, take medicines… all
those things have risks of life… How is this, DRUG
ADDICT RISKS LIFE BY READING Sunday Herald??? (and
maybe using that dosage should they get pure ibogaine
not a extract that is about 1/5th as strong). Glad for
the press coverage anyway, go ahead sensationalize it,
I hope everyone is watching, provided he (David) does
it right, follows protocol, sets a good example for
what people SHOULD DO when doing ibogaine… and IMO,
do it twice.

Brett

— preston peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his
own death

http://www.sundayherald.com/35260

Documentary maker may film his own death

By Liam McDougall, Arts Correspondent

AN ACCLAIMED documentary maker has admitted that he
is prepared to die while
filming himself taking a powerful hallucinogenic
drug that has been hailed
as a cure for addiction but linked to a number of
deaths around the world.
David Graham Scott, who is based in Glasgow, said
that he will take the
controversial drug, ibogaine, in a film that will
form the final part of his
trilogy on Scotland’s drugs culture. In the
documentary, provisionally
titled The Quick Fix, Scott intends to overcome his
own methadone addiction,
which he says has plagued him since he stopped using
street heroin and
prescribed drugs 15 years ago.
Under the supervision of colleagues who are working
to set up an ibogaine
clinic in London, and a recording team, Scott will
be filmed next month
undergoing an intense 36-hour hallucinogenic ‘trip’,
from which he hopes to
emerge free from his addiction. Although the
substance is legal in the UK,
where it is classed as an unlicensed, experimental
drug, there are wider
concerns over its safety. The drug has been banned
in the US, Belgium and
Switzerland and experts also say that in recent
years ibogaine is known to
have contributed to at least four deaths in Europe.
Last year, a 35-year-old woman died after taking
500mg of the drug during an
informal ibogaine session in Germany. In 2001, an
inquest in London into the
case of JW, a 40-year-old heroin addict, ruled that
the man had died
principally from a fatal reaction to the drug.
But with advocates of the substance claiming it is a
‘magic bullet’ for
addicts, the Bafta-nominated film-maker says he now
plans to put the claims
to the test and undergo the treatment as an
experiment to get himself clean.
He said: ‘There is always a chance that there could
be some permanent damage
or that it could kill you. But I think the positive
factors outweigh the
negative aspects. I have found methadone impossible
to come off. I am doing
this because I can’t stand being an addict anymore.
This will be my personal
story about taking ibogaine.’
The Quick Fix comes after two films in which Scott
examined the issue of
drugs and his own reasons for becoming embroiled in
Britain’s drug culture
in the 1980s. In Little Criminals, Scott spent 1999
filming a group of
heroin addicts in and around Glasgow. The film,
distributed internationally
at film festivals by Scottish Screen, also won him a
Bafta new talent
nomination last year. Beyond The Highlands, screened
by STV in 2002,
attempted to answer the question of why Scott,
originally from Caithness,
turned his back on his rural upbringing and embraced
Edinburgh’s underground
heroin culture.
‘This will be a film that shows how the daily
routines that an addict has to
face demeans them. I also want this to open up the
debate about how society
treats addicts and to ask questions about
alternatives to the methadone
programme,’ explained Scott.
‘There is ample evidence that ibogaine treatment
works and that should be
explored further. If I make this film and find that
it does work there are
serious questions that the government is required to
answer about its
current drug policy. If anything goes wrong, it will
be my sole
responsibility.’
Scott, now 41, said he first began researching the
effects of ibogaine in
the mid-1990s. However, with the only legitimate
detox programmes available
in a limited number of countries, including Panama,
Costa Rica and Italy,
and costing thousands of pounds, it was not a
feasible option. His
unofficial ibogaine detox will cost him just under
£500.
Once under the effects of the drug, extracted from
the root bark of a west
African plant and used in spiritual rituals in parts
of Gabon, Scott hopes
to re-evaluate his life experiences. Less than one
gram of ibogaine is said
to produce stimulant and aphrodisiac effects. Up to
three grams produces a
mellow euphoric trip during which the user may
experience various
hallucinations. Up to six grams, the maximum safe
dosage, produces powerful
near-death experiences.
Those taking the highest doses of ibogaine report
that they first enter a
dream-like phase that lasts several hours and
consists of vivid visions of
past memories. The second consists of high levels of
analytical mental
activity to comprehend the reasons why they drifted
into drug-using.
However, Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology at
the University of Miami,
a world authority on ibogaine, warned of the dangers
of taking the drug
outwith a strictly regulated environment.
‘It should only be taken in the presence of trained
medical staff who can
administer drugs or revive someone if they get into
difficulty.’
13 July 2003

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death
Date: July 13, 2003 at 11:01:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: editor@sundayherald.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have another title, “Sensationalists heading by Arts
Correspondent more likely to cause death than subject
covered”.

“Up to six grams, the maximum safe
dosage, produces powerful
near-death experiences.

Is referring to T. Iboga extract commonly known as
Indra, NOT IBOGAINE. 6 grams of ibogaine is far in
excess of a safe dose and is likely to cause death.
For comparison a normal anti-addictive dose of
ibogaine would be nearer 1 gram. T. Iboga root bark is
yet another dosage, KNOW YOUR IBOGAINE BEFORE
INJESTING.

Why couldn’t it be a simple title, “Documentry writer
eats forbidden fruit, battles Devil”? That is much
closer to the truth. I mean nothing about the subject
is in there, no magic herb mentioned, addiction or
even risk life to (for sensationalism) treat
addiction… THat is it, … may film his own death.
Is all you (sundayherald) like is death, where the
HOPE involved with ibogaine, the more likely event is
his success,  not his death,  that is not the reason
for the film. You get in a car, walk across the
street, eat out, fly in planes, take medicines… all
those things have risks of life… How is this, DRUG
ADDICT RISKS LIFE BY READING Sunday Herald??? (and
maybe using that dosage should they get pure ibogaine
not a extract that is about 1/5th as strong). Glad for
the press coverage anyway, go ahead sensationalize it,
I hope everyone is watching, provided he (David) does
it right, follows protocol, sets a good example for
what people SHOULD DO when doing ibogaine… and IMO,
do it twice.

Brett

— preston peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his
own death

http://www.sundayherald.com/35260

Documentary maker may film his own death

By Liam McDougall, Arts Correspondent

AN ACCLAIMED documentary maker has admitted that he
is prepared to die while
filming himself taking a powerful hallucinogenic
drug that has been hailed
as a cure for addiction but linked to a number of
deaths around the world.
David Graham Scott, who is based in Glasgow, said
that he will take the
controversial drug, ibogaine, in a film that will
form the final part of his
trilogy on Scotland’s drugs culture. In the
documentary, provisionally
titled The Quick Fix, Scott intends to overcome his
own methadone addiction,
which he says has plagued him since he stopped using
street heroin and
prescribed drugs 15 years ago.
Under the supervision of colleagues who are working
to set up an ibogaine
clinic in London, and a recording team, Scott will
be filmed next month
undergoing an intense 36-hour hallucinogenic ‘trip’,
from which he hopes to
emerge free from his addiction. Although the
substance is legal in the UK,
where it is classed as an unlicensed, experimental
drug, there are wider
concerns over its safety. The drug has been banned
in the US, Belgium and
Switzerland and experts also say that in recent
years ibogaine is known to
have contributed to at least four deaths in Europe.
Last year, a 35-year-old woman died after taking
500mg of the drug during an
informal ibogaine session in Germany. In 2001, an
inquest in London into the
case of JW, a 40-year-old heroin addict, ruled that
the man had died
principally from a fatal reaction to the drug.
But with advocates of the substance claiming it is a
‘magic bullet’ for
addicts, the Bafta-nominated film-maker says he now
plans to put the claims
to the test and undergo the treatment as an
experiment to get himself clean.
He said: ‘There is always a chance that there could
be some permanent damage
or that it could kill you. But I think the positive
factors outweigh the
negative aspects. I have found methadone impossible
to come off. I am doing
this because I can’t stand being an addict anymore.
This will be my personal
story about taking ibogaine.’
The Quick Fix comes after two films in which Scott
examined the issue of
drugs and his own reasons for becoming embroiled in
Britain’s drug culture
in the 1980s. In Little Criminals, Scott spent 1999
filming a group of
heroin addicts in and around Glasgow. The film,
distributed internationally
at film festivals by Scottish Screen, also won him a
Bafta new talent
nomination last year. Beyond The Highlands, screened
by STV in 2002,
attempted to answer the question of why Scott,
originally from Caithness,
turned his back on his rural upbringing and embraced
Edinburgh’s underground
heroin culture.
‘This will be a film that shows how the daily
routines that an addict has to
face demeans them. I also want this to open up the
debate about how society
treats addicts and to ask questions about
alternatives to the methadone
programme,’ explained Scott.
‘There is ample evidence that ibogaine treatment
works and that should be
explored further. If I make this film and find that
it does work there are
serious questions that the government is required to
answer about its
current drug policy. If anything goes wrong, it will
be my sole
responsibility.’
Scott, now 41, said he first began researching the
effects of ibogaine in
the mid-1990s. However, with the only legitimate
detox programmes available
in a limited number of countries, including Panama,
Costa Rica and Italy,
and costing thousands of pounds, it was not a
feasible option. His
unofficial ibogaine detox will cost him just under
」500.
Once under the effects of the drug, extracted from
the root bark of a west
African plant and used in spiritual rituals in parts
of Gabon, Scott hopes
to re-evaluate his life experiences. Less than one
gram of ibogaine is said
to produce stimulant and aphrodisiac effects. Up to
three grams produces a
mellow euphoric trip during which the user may
experience various
hallucinations. Up to six grams, the maximum safe
dosage, produces powerful
near-death experiences.
Those taking the highest doses of ibogaine report
that they first enter a
dream-like phase that lasts several hours and
consists of vivid visions of
past memories. The second consists of high levels of
analytical mental
activity to comprehend the reasons why they drifted
into drug-using.
However, Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology at
the University of Miami,
a world authority on ibogaine, warned of the dangers
of taking the drug
outwith a strictly regulated environment.
‘It should only be taken in the presence of trained
medical staff who can
administer drugs or revive someone if they get into
difficulty.’
13 July 2003

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 13, 2003 at 4:49:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:

Bro this is something I wonder about too. Everyone I
have ever talked
to whos done ibo to get off heroin and then done it
again without having
a habit, has said that it was much more intense when
theyre doing it
to get clean instead of doing it to trip.

Do you know the dosages involved, while addicted vs
not addicted? Typically people do more ibogaine for
addiction than non-addiction reasons (outside of
rituals). While I didn’t do ibo my first time for
opiate addiction it was my highest dose, was the most
intense but not the most visionary – vs other times
both addicted and non-addicted. I couldn’t begin to
guess how the various effects (or how intense even at
the same dosage) will hit me the next time I a full
dose (non-addiction) but whatever it is and visions or
not it will be exactly what I need.

Brett

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fw: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death
Date: July 13, 2003 at 4:39:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:48 PM
Subject: [drugwar] Documentary maker may film his own death

http://www.sundayherald.com/35260

Documentary maker may film his own death

By Liam McDougall, Arts Correspondent

AN ACCLAIMED documentary maker has admitted that he is prepared to die while
filming himself taking a powerful hallucinogenic drug that has been hailed
as a cure for addiction but linked to a number of deaths around the world.
David Graham Scott, who is based in Glasgow, said that he will take the
controversial drug, ibogaine, in a film that will form the final part of his
trilogy on Scotland’s drugs culture. In the documentary, provisionally
titled The Quick Fix, Scott intends to overcome his own methadone addiction,
which he says has plagued him since he stopped using street heroin and
prescribed drugs 15 years ago.
Under the supervision of colleagues who are working to set up an ibogaine
clinic in London, and a recording team, Scott will be filmed next month
undergoing an intense 36-hour hallucinogenic ‘trip’, from which he hopes to
emerge free from his addiction. Although the substance is legal in the UK,
where it is classed as an unlicensed, experimental drug, there are wider
concerns over its safety. The drug has been banned in the US, Belgium and
Switzerland and experts also say that in recent years ibogaine is known to
have contributed to at least four deaths in Europe.
Last year, a 35-year-old woman died after taking 500mg of the drug during an
informal ibogaine session in Germany. In 2001, an inquest in London into the
case of JW, a 40-year-old heroin addict, ruled that the man had died
principally from a fatal reaction to the drug.
But with advocates of the substance claiming it is a ‘magic bullet’ for
addicts, the Bafta-nominated film-maker says he now plans to put the claims
to the test and undergo the treatment as an experiment to get himself clean.
He said: ‘There is always a chance that there could be some permanent damage
or that it could kill you. But I think the positive factors outweigh the
negative aspects. I have found methadone impossible to come off. I am doing
this because I can’t stand being an addict anymore. This will be my personal
story about taking ibogaine.’
The Quick Fix comes after two films in which Scott examined the issue of
drugs and his own reasons for becoming embroiled in Britain’s drug culture
in the 1980s. In Little Criminals, Scott spent 1999 filming a group of
heroin addicts in and around Glasgow. The film, distributed internationally
at film festivals by Scottish Screen, also won him a Bafta new talent
nomination last year. Beyond The Highlands, screened by STV in 2002,
attempted to answer the question of why Scott, originally from Caithness,
turned his back on his rural upbringing and embraced Edinburgh’s underground
heroin culture.
‘This will be a film that shows how the daily routines that an addict has to
face demeans them. I also want this to open up the debate about how society
treats addicts and to ask questions about alternatives to the methadone
programme,’ explained Scott.
‘There is ample evidence that ibogaine treatment works and that should be
explored further. If I make this film and find that it does work there are
serious questions that the government is required to answer about its
current drug policy. If anything goes wrong, it will be my sole
responsibility.’
Scott, now 41, said he first began researching the effects of ibogaine in
the mid-1990s. However, with the only legitimate detox programmes available
in a limited number of countries, including Panama, Costa Rica and Italy,
and costing thousands of pounds, it was not a feasible option. His
unofficial ibogaine detox will cost him just under £500.
Once under the effects of the drug, extracted from the root bark of a west
African plant and used in spiritual rituals in parts of Gabon, Scott hopes
to re-evaluate his life experiences. Less than one gram of ibogaine is said
to produce stimulant and aphrodisiac effects. Up to three grams produces a
mellow euphoric trip during which the user may experience various
hallucinations. Up to six grams, the maximum safe dosage, produces powerful
near-death experiences.
Those taking the highest doses of ibogaine report that they first enter a
dream-like phase that lasts several hours and consists of vivid visions of
past memories. The second consists of high levels of analytical mental
activity to comprehend the reasons why they drifted into drug-using.
However, Deborah Mash, a professor of neurology at the University of Miami,
a world authority on ibogaine, warned of the dangers of taking the drug
outwith a strictly regulated environment.
‘It should only be taken in the presence of trained medical staff who can
administer drugs or revive someone if they get into difficulty.’
13 July 2003

From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 13, 2003 at 1:57:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bro this is something I wonder about too. Everyone I have ever talked
to whos done ibo to get off heroin and then done it again without having
a habit, has said that it was much more intense when theyre doing it
to get clean instead of doing it to trip.

I am very much wondering the same question you asked just now. I do not
think youre the exception. I don’t know myself, I’ve never done ibogaine
to get unsprung before. Did not know what it was before coming to mindvox
and I was already clean then. I missed out ;-(

Congrats to Marc. Arrested for lighting a bong at a police station. All
right bro 😉

http://cannabisculture.com/articles/3023.html

Peace out, smoke out,
Curtis

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:23:38 -0700 paul jackamo <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Hi everyone >

Brett wrote:

“If you are habituated to an opiate your experience tend to be somewhat

different than if you are not, not for the better. There will usually
fewer
if any visions, dark/blankspace”

Ive heard the above a few times, however, on the two occasions I’ve
done ibo
for methadone & heroin, it has been vision city to the point of
overload –
“basta” or enough! as the Spanish say –  has been my overriding
thought on
both occasions.

A quick straw poll amongst the opiate users/xusers would be interesting
– am
i an exception or not?

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From: “booker w” <swbooker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 10, 2003 at 10:09:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi. I’ve heard this too, but I had immense visions every time, myself.  Wasn’t detoxing from heroin or methadone, tho – but morphine and oxy…I have wondered if the amount of opiates your body is habituated to matters as far as the visions go?  Sandy

>From: “paul jackamo”

>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>Subject: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users

>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:23:38 +0000

>

>Hi everyone >

>

>Brett wrote:

>

>”If you are habituated to an opiate your experience tend to be

>somewhat different than if you are not, not for the better. There

>will usually fewer if any visions, dark/blankspace”

>

>Ive heard the above a few times, however, on the two occasions I’ve

>done ibo for methadone & heroin, it has been vision city to the

>point of overload – “basta” or enough! as the Spanish say – has

>been my overriding thought on both occasions.

>

>A quick straw poll amongst the opiate users/xusers would be

>interesting – am i an exception or not?

>

>paul.

>

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] vision content on ibogaine for opiate users
Date: July 10, 2003 at 8:23:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi everyone >

Brett wrote:

“If you are habituated to an opiate your experience tend to be somewhat different than if you are not, not for the better. There will usually fewer if any visions, dark/blankspace”

Ive heard the above a few times, however, on the two occasions I’ve done ibo for methadone & heroin, it has been vision city to the point of overload – “basta” or enough! as the Spanish say –  has been my overriding thought on both occasions.

A quick straw poll amongst the opiate users/xusers would be interesting – am i an exception or not?

paul.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 10, 2003 at 3:15:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

likely
be lowered so when taking pain medications post
ibogaine, possibly start at
1/4 of your previous dose recognizing you may have
to dose escalate up.  Leave

Yes, sorry forgot. While I didn’t use ibo for opiate
addiction, after being treated I, without a doubt am
much more sensitive to opiates post ibo, than before.
For instance I don’t recall ever “feeling” a tylenol
#3, well at least not past the age of 18 months… but
have felt it after doing ibo. There is also (for me) a
bit of a negative side in doing ibo and opiate
medication after, ibo alters (or can alter) the
feeling. It may be great if you are an opiate addict
and after ibo treatment doing dope again doesn’t feel
quite as nice/feels bad… So, while I was indifferent
to the side effects of say vicodin (pre ibo), post ibo
I diskliked it rather strongly. I had previously been
on 120mg a day of morphine (didn’t like it) but post
ibo, I tried 90mg (these are time release – in a 24
hour period) and it was horrible, totally
intolerable/too strong. So, what I am saying is that
you may experience some diskike/altered feeling for
opiates post ibo – this will be stronger the closer
you are to a treatment and lower the longer a period
of time after. I just thought I would mention it, I
wouldn’t worry about it and you will likely get use to
most of the difference quick enough. This goes for
everything, cigarettes taste bad post ibo, people get
use to it again, so does alcohol for some, chocolate,
coffee, a steak… I think some of the dislike may be
just that, any old bad substance/thing will
feel/taste/smell/look bad post ibo for some people.

And then some people love doing dope post ibo (they
can get high again…), others don’t, you are you,
your reaction will be yours.

Brett

enough time for your pain medications to become
fully effective before dose
escalating up and it would be a good idea to have an
observer just in case you
do have an adverse event.  I think you should go
into the experience like every
other person who takes ibogaine, with a sense of awe
and wonder and no
expectations and simply be amazed.  Remember it is
long acting though the most
intense phases do end usually within 3 – 6 hours.
See
http://www.ibogaine.org/clin-perspectives.html

You do not mention whether you are on other than
pain medications and that
may or may not be an issue.  And, like all other
opiate dependent persons who
take ibogaine wait at least 8 hours before taking
ibogaine after your last dose
of pain meds except you are on methadone and should
wait 24 hours after that
last dose before taking ibogaine.

If you proceed to have ibogaine therapy please let
us know the results.

Howard
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 10, 2003 at 1:04:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 02:20:57PM -1100], [Reg Davies] wrote:

| My other question is for Patrick, sorry to post here but I also never

| My question is in this
|
| http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html
|
| You have almost 3 years clean after most of your life on heroin. Now
| you’d have what almost 4 years? How many times have you done ibogaine in
| 4 years and do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it every so
| often or do you do it on regular basis how does it work for you?

Sorry ’bout that.  The main problem with email is that there are MANY of
you, and only one of me.  My mail actually has a whiteboard — which means
instead of an exclusion filter, I have an inclusion filter.  i.e.,
<This_lisT> of names, are people I want to receive mail from.  <ThiS_LisT>
is blocked and goes into the trash, and <Everything_elsE> gets thrown into
a mailspool I try to scroll through once in a while, but, I am, just, on
overload, and it is impossible for me to answer all of it.

I have 4 years on Halloween — which is, my clean date.  Woo hoOO.  I did
ibogaine twice, back-to-back at St. Kitts, to get unsprung.  Post ibogaine
I, I fucked it up within ’bout 30 minutes of hitting the nearest airport
at San Juan.

I had very little “clean time” between ibogaine I and II.  Basically, the
way it worked for me was, okay, this is what ibogaine WILL do, that is
what it won’t do, this here is the part where *I* have to do the rest.

Get it, got it, good to go.

I haven’t done any narcotic analgesics since ibogaine II (1999).

I didn’t do ibogaine again until roughly the very end of 2001 — after 2+
years clean.  I’ve tripped on ibo, lessee, 6 times total, 8 if you wanna
count the indra materials.  The highest I’ve actually done is ’bout
18mg/kg of HCl, which, for me, is roughly 1800mg.

I haven’t actually ever made any specific decision along the lines of, “I
need a tune-up.”  It’s more like, when it comes into my life, it’s there,
I’m there, what’re the odds, time to go to church.

For me it’s an entheogen.  A very special one.  When I do it, it’s more
like, a headcheck to test my resonance.  Where am I, how’m I doin’, what
do I need to fine-tune.  Dunno.  Many people get, “OhMyGawD it was
HOrRiFic and wrencHinG, and I never wanna do that again, and I got all
these messages about my life and…”

Whut I get is: welcome home.  Come back and visit.

All that being said: I have — of course — never done ibogaine within the
United States.  It’s a schedule I substance here, and I don’t break the
law.

Speakin’ of which –> Being sprung and broke sucks.  There are a lotta
people who need help.  What everybody does off this list is really not my
bid’ness, dunno, doan’ wanna know, don’t care.

BUT … just, like, so you have awareness of this:  When people send you
email asking you to get them ibogaine.  What they are doing is soliciting
you to commit a felony — actually, a series of felonies — and enter into
a conspiracy with them.

If anybody wants to fuck with you, they will have no trouble tossing
another half a dozen charges into that picture.

And, this is, an <OPEN> list.  I dunno who 99.9% of the people on it are.
If you do stupid shit, then it’s entirely possible that you’re gonna have
an entire brand new set of problems to deal with — in addition to being
sprung.

With regards to using ibo and handling chronic pain –> dunno.  I’d just
be talkin’ bullshit, since this is not something I personally have had to
deal with.

But, hey, good luck and go for it.

Laters,

Patrick

From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 10, 2003 at 12:32:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla,

I don’t know about every one on this list, but looking at the list of clients who have come through our treatment center, I wouldn’t say that most people do ibo more than once.  I have only done ibo once and I am not sure that I will ever do it again.  If I do use ibo again I plan to do it with the Bwiti.  Sure if you do ibo more than once than the likelihood of being off dope improves.  Is this because of the ibogaine?  Or is it because of determination?   Ibogaine is an amazing opportunity.  Ibogaine was amongst the best things that ever happened to me.  But it is no trip to the amusement park (or maybe it is some kind of demented amusement park).  If persons manage to get it right the first time, then they don’t have to keep doing ibogaine regularly.  Of course, everyone has free will and is welcome to do what they like (but sometimes the Man will lock you up for doing what you like…).

Peace,
Randy

From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:27:15 -0700 (PDT)

Hi reg, I don’t know how often everyone does it but
most people are at more then once 😉

I’ve done ibogaine 4 times in the last 2 years. Have
almost 2 years clean now.

I don’t know as much about it as some here but I don’t
see any reason why you shouldn’t try it. But be
careful not to go right back to your usual dose of
methadone after!

Carla B

— Reg Davies <regdavies0@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have two questions I’d like to ask please.
>
> I’ve been reading for a few months and seen others
> who are chronic pain patients discussing ibogaine
> here but never to any kind of resolution?
>
> I am a pain patient, suffering from calcification of
> the spine, I am on a dose of methadone which is
> where I ended after trying morphine, oxy and
> dilaudid. I am on only 40mg of methadone which is
> the level I have been at for nearly 3 years now. I
> don’t use any street drugs or add anything to this
> to get more of a buzz or anything. What I am saying
> is that I don’t do it to get high and have no real
> urges in that direction.
>
> What I am very interested in is, is there any reason
> for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I am
> getting the impression that it will reset my
> tolerence to pain medication and maybe let me try
> life without it or if I need to continue I could do
> it at a lower dose.
>
> In the worst case I will be no worse off then when I
> started.
>
> Is my reasoning on this subject in line with what
> you all have experienced?
>
> My other question is for Patrick, sorry to post here
> but I also never get a answer to any email. I like
> what you write and enjoy reading it but not sure how
> much I relate since I’ve never been in treatment and
> some of the time I think I am coming from some other
> world then most on here because I’ve never
> experienced all the street life and drug abuse
> issues that many on here so obviously do.
>
> My question is in this
>
> http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html
>
> You have almost 3 years clean after most of your
> life on heroin. Now you’d have what almost 4 years?
> How many times have you done ibogaine in 4 years and
> do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it
> every so often or do you do it on regular basis how
> does it work for you?
>
> reg
>
>
>
>
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 10, 2003 at 11:21:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

n a message dated 7/9/03 9:25:06 PM, regdavies0@lycos.com writes:

I have two questions I’d like to ask please.

I’ve been reading for a few months and seen others who are chronic pain
patients discussing ibogaine here but never to any kind of resolution?

I am a pain patient, suffering from calcification of the spine, I am on
a dose of methadone which is where I ended after trying morphine, oxy and
dilaudid. I am on only 40mg of methadone which is the level I have been
at for nearly 3 years now. I don’t use any street drugs or add anything
to this to get more of a buzz or anything. What I am saying is that I don’t
do it to get high and have no real urges in that direction.

What I am very interested in is, is there any reason for me _not_ to try
ibogaine? At the very least I am getting the impression that it will reset
my tolerence to pain medication and maybe let me try life without it or
if I need to continue I could do it at a lower dose.

In the worst case I will be no worse off then when I started.

Is my reasoning on this subject in line with what you all have experienced?

Reg,

Anticipating that your medical health does not prohibit the taking of
ibogaine there is no reason whatsoever for you not to be treated.  There are benefits
of teasing out anxiety and pain issues from each other and gaining a general
understanding of who you are and of making an adjustment to your medication
regimen.  Unlike some of the substance abuse patients don’t necessarily think in
terms of abstinence and do remember that you tolerance to opiates will likely
be lowered so when taking pain medications post ibogaine, possibly start at
1/4 of your previous dose recognizing you may have to dose escalate up.  Leave
enough time for your pain medications to become fully effective before dose
escalating up and it would be a good idea to have an observer just in case you
do have an adverse event.  I think you should go into the experience like every
other person who takes ibogaine, with a sense of awe and wonder and no
expectations and simply be amazed.  Remember it is long acting though the most
intense phases do end usually within 3 – 6 hours.  See
http://www.ibogaine.org/clin-perspectives.html

You do not mention whether you are on other than pain medications and that
may or may not be an issue.  And, like all other opiate dependent persons who
take ibogaine wait at least 8 hours before taking ibogaine after your last dose
of pain meds except you are on methadone and should wait 24 hours after that
last dose before taking ibogaine.

If you proceed to have ibogaine therapy please let us know the results.

Howard
I

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: pain management and dreaming
Date: July 10, 2003 at 6:41:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Didn’t at least one person here recently complain about not having dreams
while using opiates?
I gotta say that from personal experience I have the most incredible,
vivid, realistic, basically lucid dreams ever on opiate pain meds, dreams
that seem to go for hours, with lots of flying, jumping, running, and lots
of other not-so-usual dreaming type stuff going on. Colors are even more
bright than usual, I can smell things in my dreams, and gosh, really, the
dreams are brilliant.
Anyway, carry on.
peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Brett Calabrese
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: regdavies0@lycos.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine

Reg Davies  said;

“What I am very interested in is, is there any reason
for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I am
getting the impression that it will reset my tolerence
to pain medication and maybe let me try life without
it or if I need to continue I could do
it at a lower dose. ”

No reason not to. Just, FYI, If you are habituated to
an opiate your experience tend to be somewhat
different than if you are not, not for the better.
There will usually fewer if any visions, dark/blank
space, a bit more disgusting for some (ibo is rather
nasty).

-remainder snipped

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 10, 2003 at 12:04:03 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: regdavies0@lycos.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Reg Davies  said;

“What I am very interested in is, is there any reason
for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I am
getting the impression that it will reset my tolerence
to pain medication and maybe let me try life without
it or if I need to continue I could do
it at a lower dose. ”

No reason not to. Just, FYI, If you are habituated to
an opiate your experience tend to be somewhat
different than if you are not, not for the better.
There will usually fewer if any visions, dark/blank
space, a bit more disgusting for some (ibo is rather
nasty). I have never detoxed from an opiate addiction
using ibo, never even tried ibo when addicted to an
opiate or while on one, so that is a new one for me.
I guess I will find out soon (oh joy) enough.  One
thought; if for instance you detox using ibo and can
spend some time off opioids, you can re-dose a
somewhat less heroic lower dose, you should be more
sensitive to it then and have a better/somewhat
different trip. Ibo also works over time, the break
will do you good IMO (that is my plan, a break from
them in the cooler weather) Again, that is “tend to”,
you are you and that may or may not happen that way,
for you.  So yeah I think you will get something out
of it even if you are on methadone, but think you will
get more if you take a breather and get a 2nd dose off
meds.

Reg asked Patrick this;

“> do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it
every so often or do you do it on regular basis

I will give my answer, for me; Something like that
though the need and use changes/changed over time. I
needed a couple blasts to get clean then found a
booster every 6-12 months helpful, but no longer
necessary.  Right now I am a pain patient getting
habituated to oxycodone for the first time since
getting clean w/ibo, so things just changed (again).

So that brings up the question of doing while
habituated (you asked). I never thought of anything
but going off opiates, either ahead of time or during.
I would not take opiates during an ibogaine session, I
would detox, or rather the ibogaine will attempt to
detox me (if I needed something else, it would attempt
that – IMO). I would follow standard protocol, you
would have to be off methadone 24 hours, longer is
better. Could someone be on a low(er) dose of opiates
and ibo, sure, I didn’t OD from a tylenol 3 (vs taking
a vicodin 7.5) when I got a migraine while on ibo.

Brett

— Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi reg, I don’t know how often everyone does it but
most people are at more then once 😉

I’ve done ibogaine 4 times in the last 2 years. Have
almost 2 years clean now.

I don’t know as much about it as some here but I
don’t
see any reason why you shouldn’t try it. But be
careful not to go right back to your usual dose of
methadone after!

Carla B

— Reg Davies <regdavies0@lycos.com> wrote:

I have two questions I’d like to ask please.

I’ve been reading for a few months and seen others
who are chronic pain patients discussing ibogaine
here but never to any kind of resolution?

I am a pain patient, suffering from calcification
of
the spine, I am on a dose of methadone which is
where I ended after trying morphine, oxy and
dilaudid. I am on only 40mg of methadone which is
the level I have been at for nearly 3 years now. I
don’t use any street drugs or add anything to this
to get more of a buzz or anything. What I am
saying
is that I don’t do it to get high and have no real
urges in that direction.

What I am very interested in is, is there any
reason
for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I
am
getting the impression that it will reset my
tolerence to pain medication and maybe let me try
life without it or if I need to continue I could
do
it at a lower dose.

In the worst case I will be no worse off then when
I
started.

Is my reasoning on this subject in line with what
you all have experienced?

My other question is for Patrick, sorry to post
here
but I also never get a answer to any email. I like
what you write and enjoy reading it but not sure
how
much I relate since I’ve never been in treatment
and
some of the time I think I am coming from some
other
world then most on here because I’ve never
experienced all the street life and drug abuse
issues that many on here so obviously do.

My question is in this

http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

You have almost 3 years clean after most of your
life on heroin. Now you’d have what almost 4
years?
How many times have you done ibogaine in 4 years
and
do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it
every so often or do you do it on regular basis
how
does it work for you?

reg

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] email requests
Date: July 9, 2003 at 10:58:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

never ever succumb to this sort of invite Carla, as I suspect you are aware.
That sounds like not good news at all whatsoever.
and no, never have done ibogaine.
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Carla Barnes
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:31 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] email requests

I have one request please.

I am starting to get email from some people on this
list whos names I’m not posting, but hi, sorry, I
don’t know you and I don’t want to order ibogaine for
you and then ship it to you.

I don’t mean spam, I did figure out how to just block
it and its not a big deal. What I mean is people who
are sending me personal email asking me to order
ibogaine for them.

This has now happened to me 3 times in the last month.
I don’t know if its that there are a lot of people
here who need help I guess there are a huge amount of
people here who never say anything. Patrick makes
jokes but I don’t think it is a joke, if the DEA is
reading this list then no thanks. I am sorry if you
can’t get ibogaine because of the weird laws in the US
but I’m not a drug dealer.

Sorry had to vent

I forgot to mention in my other post, I think Preston,
Brett and maybe Gamma have all used pain meds. Preston
did you ever do the ibogaine?

Carla B

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] email requests
Date: July 9, 2003 at 10:31:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have one request please.

I am starting to get email from some people on this
list whos names I’m not posting, but hi, sorry, I
don’t know you and I don’t want to order ibogaine for
you and then ship it to you.

I don’t mean spam, I did figure out how to just block
it and its not a big deal. What I mean is people who
are sending me personal email asking me to order
ibogaine for them.

This has now happened to me 3 times in the last month.
I don’t know if its that there are a lot of people
here who need help I guess there are a huge amount of
people here who never say anything. Patrick makes
jokes but I don’t think it is a joke, if the DEA is
reading this list then no thanks. I am sorry if you
can’t get ibogaine because of the weird laws in the US
but I’m not a drug dealer.

Sorry had to vent

I forgot to mention in my other post, I think Preston,
Brett and maybe Gamma have all used pain meds. Preston
did you ever do the ibogaine?

Carla B

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 9, 2003 at 10:27:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi reg, I don’t know how often everyone does it but
most people are at more then once 😉

I’ve done ibogaine 4 times in the last 2 years. Have
almost 2 years clean now.

I don’t know as much about it as some here but I don’t
see any reason why you shouldn’t try it. But be
careful not to go right back to your usual dose of
methadone after!

Carla B

— Reg Davies <regdavies0@lycos.com> wrote:

I have two questions I’d like to ask please.

I’ve been reading for a few months and seen others
who are chronic pain patients discussing ibogaine
here but never to any kind of resolution?

I am a pain patient, suffering from calcification of
the spine, I am on a dose of methadone which is
where I ended after trying morphine, oxy and
dilaudid. I am on only 40mg of methadone which is
the level I have been at for nearly 3 years now. I
don’t use any street drugs or add anything to this
to get more of a buzz or anything. What I am saying
is that I don’t do it to get high and have no real
urges in that direction.

What I am very interested in is, is there any reason
for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I am
getting the impression that it will reset my
tolerence to pain medication and maybe let me try
life without it or if I need to continue I could do
it at a lower dose.

In the worst case I will be no worse off then when I
started.

Is my reasoning on this subject in line with what
you all have experienced?

My other question is for Patrick, sorry to post here
but I also never get a answer to any email. I like
what you write and enjoy reading it but not sure how
much I relate since I’ve never been in treatment and
some of the time I think I am coming from some other
world then most on here because I’ve never
experienced all the street life and drug abuse
issues that many on here so obviously do.

My question is in this

http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

You have almost 3 years clean after most of your
life on heroin. Now you’d have what almost 4 years?
How many times have you done ibogaine in 4 years and
do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it
every so often or do you do it on regular basis how
does it work for you?

reg

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From: “Reg Davies” <regdavies0@lycos.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] pain management and ibogaine
Date: July 9, 2003 at 9:20:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have two questions I’d like to ask please.

I’ve been reading for a few months and seen others who are chronic pain patients discussing ibogaine here but never to any kind of resolution?

I am a pain patient, suffering from calcification of the spine, I am on a dose of methadone which is where I ended after trying morphine, oxy and dilaudid. I am on only 40mg of methadone which is the level I have been at for nearly 3 years now. I don’t use any street drugs or add anything to this to get more of a buzz or anything. What I am saying is that I don’t do it to get high and have no real urges in that direction.

What I am very interested in is, is there any reason for me _not_ to try ibogaine? At the very least I am getting the impression that it will reset my tolerence to pain medication and maybe let me try life without it or if I need to continue I could do it at a lower dose.

In the worst case I will be no worse off then when I started.

Is my reasoning on this subject in line with what you all have experienced?

My other question is for Patrick, sorry to post here but I also never get a answer to any email. I like what you write and enjoy reading it but not sure how much I relate since I’ve never been in treatment and some of the time I think I am coming from some other world then most on here because I’ve never experienced all the street life and drug abuse issues that many on here so obviously do.

My question is in this

http://www.herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

You have almost 3 years clean after most of your life on heroin. Now you’d have what almost 4 years? How many times have you done ibogaine in 4 years and do you use it to stay clean and feel you need it every so often or do you do it on regular basis how does it work for you?

reg

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IBOGAINE] Hi
Date: July 9, 2003 at 2:15:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl

Jon

This is bits and pieces of a report from someone who
has done ibogaine numerous times (me) for addiction
and is now using opioid pain medications. This
original (to Jon) email was not meant for the list,
but no matter.  I don’t seem to be showing any signs
of monkeyism on my back, getting use to the medication
(oxycontin) and have sent myself into some very minor
discomfort several times and have to be very careful
where I am and what I am doing, I am not
careful/paying attention as I normally do when I drop
my blood level of medication too much. Also, the
narcotics desensitize me, I cannot feel the same way.
For instance with Reiki the denseness of the opioid
took me down I cannot feel and the channeling of
energy is very weak, on the other hand when I quit
smoking I got stronger and more sensitive/empathic
(for comparison). I am not “crisp”, not quite clear,
not high, there is no high to speak of (from the oxy),
some uncomfortability when take more, like drugged
pain maybe/sometimes. Is there something about the
narcotics that could be “likable”, oh, absolutely and
next time I want to ruin my life I will keep them in
mind. It is a very uneasy feeling but I am doing OK
with the narcotics, just waiting for Kato to jump out
at me or something…

— Jon Freedlander <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
But it’s good you’re not getting hooked on it at
least.

And they are helping with the pain and functionality,
or else what is the point (yeah, I know that point…
not that one).

I wonder why
you can’t sleep on it… when i was on heroin i

It is just how I am wired, and “wired” is the correct
word. Only levo put me right to sleep, well took
several days to get a blood level going… and then
several days to wake up as levo has a very long half
life.

maybe you could try some herbal remedy for sleep,
like valerian or
something?

LOL… mostly I need to just get settled into the
medication, get my sleep adjusted, get a regular dose
going… it is going to take time and patience (I hate
when they say that!).

So what I am basically doing is getting use to the
drug, having a bit of a time giving in to
it/letting
it (I have control issues) and it is causing some
bouncing of feelings/emotions. Basically, it sucks
and
I am trying to find the balance where it sucks the
least, but am not there yet, so there is sucking
here
and there… got that?

yeah, i can totally understand how there’re be a
significant amount of
suck going on. but i think you have the mindset and
the ability to figure
out how to get some balance. it probably won’t be an
entirely pleasant
experience getting there, but i think you can get
there.

So, how was your last habituation or rather
addiction?
Habituation is somewhat like drug addiction,
without
the cravings, some crazyness/changes in
mind/character
at extremes (Too much or too little), much less
drugs
and of course I don’t grind them up (and never
will)
and bang them… Still a bit altered, moody, it is
better than the morphine but still kind of would
like
a drink and cigarette, chocolate is more
interesting
too (I don’t smoke or drink any longer)

I’m still hooked on smoking… i still don’t smoke

I have given up on the willpower method of self
control, I have discovered the “I AM GONNA NOT”
method. There comes a point, the decision is made that
I am gonna not (or gonna do, I am more successful not
doing things than doing, for obvious reasons). So,
anyway, I am simply gonna not do whatever it is I
decide I am not going to do, like smoking, like
grinding up (lets skip that part)… Takes the
decision making out of it, and the mind f…ing
conversations, removes the “process” (I am tired of
the @#$%^&ing process). But that is me, lets just skip
to the being normal part… sort of.

quite as much as i used
to, i probably smoke around a half pack a day now.

You will quit one of these days, one way or the
other… I took the by choice method, be proactive and
all, do something different for a change, before it
makes the decision for me…  Really though, once I
made up my mind after doing ibo (within a week), that
was it, it was actually easy, the awfulization I did
was a million times the effort involved. I actually
got calmer after I quit smoking, more at peace… what
a relief it was that it was over. I only had brief
occasional cravings that passed as quick as I could
unpry its fingers from my throat, maybe 30 seconds at
a clip. It was a year July 5th, never again.

i do think it might be worth considering some
herbs.. kava could help with
the nervousness and such. i used it when i was
withdrawaling from

I can pretty much sit tight and chill/meditate most of
it away, so long as I do little else and stay relaxed
(least I think I can, except maybe the cramps, oxy
cramps are rather nasty). Anyhows, yes I am all for
the natural, herbal, meditational, inspirational…
(when that fails can we do drugs???) and thank you.

Brett

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From: Ibika <beemwwfc@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Invitation from Tasmania Australia to merger globally in enterprise Business to Business Country/City Link
Date: July 9, 2003 at 9:34:45 AM EDT
To: rosebud_entertainment@t-online.de, andreasb.rosebud@gmx.net, villartpix@earthlink.net, borden@drenet.org, psmith@drenet.org, postbag@bangkokpost.net, letters.editor@ft.com, dana@cures-not-wars.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com, cin_l@hotmail.com, panaccio@student.umass.edu, has.cornelissen@planet.nl, cindico@prexar.com, austinorml@cannabis.net, jc48534@appstate.edu, rastafariembassy@yahoo.com, growmoreweed@ironmanrecords.co.uk, ralph@shnelvar.com, lieder@web.de, clauditza_@yahoo.com, party@party-project.de, juhaszp@jv.hu, kendermag@cnc.hu, misminipimer@mefis.to, olgasummers@mefis.to
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

TASMANIA BEEM Co. – WWFC
28 ORANA PLACE, 3 EBICA COURT
RIVERSIDE, LAUNCESTON 7250
TASMANIA – AUSTRALIA
Tel/Fax: 61 3 63271892
E-mail: Beemwwfc@Yahoo.com

Good Morning,                                                                                                         I  would like to ask a few  minutes of your time  –  as well  give you the chance to measure how  the world thinks  and reacts to our modern communication systems.  Business to business,  sister country / city link.
The  year < 2003 > will  be  seen  as  a  turning  point  for  any Company joining us globally by promoting their product on our World WIN Postcards Instant Lottery ticket.  We are partnering with the leading Suppliers of greeting cards and Postcards to ensure that our users have the greatest experience, receive the best value, and participate confident that we are entirely neutral and fair.
You have the opportunity to have your product line listed with us and most importantly, this is great opportunity to take advantage of a high volume marketing channel.
POINT OF SALE MATERIAL
As a young  Tasmanian I wish to  operate, in a global merger,  a lucrative way of  communication  that  can  give  the  world an insight  into  any  country and corporate business potentials.
We are calling to reach an agreement on a Uniting World Association which would be  acceptable to all,  respectful of the  interest  of all  new members, and  allowing for the  necessary  conditions  for joining the new  World  Win Postcards Association established in Tasmania – Australia.
On a world level, postcards are used for communication on various occasion. Joining them with the lottery we offer more  opportunity for the consumer to win and  enhance the  sales of  postcards lottery on a worldwide scale. This approach  falls  under  the  logic  of  market  globalization.
Towards this  trend, which is also felt in the  industry, it is  necessary that the lottery and companies and  postcard  manufacturers  express  themselves with a single voice.
This additional  bonus to any card or postcard will  definitely boost sales and add extra value to your product, making this a eye catching point of sales for the consumer. This way gives your business a global marketing ad and introduces any business and products through out the world. Our way the company can obtain proof of their money well spent advertising locally and Internationally. ( Proof of claims for discount offer which would be collaborated at head office.)
Our advocacy role is enhanced by an extensive International Network of Friendship Affiliations through which Tasmania Beem Co.-WWFC- pursues world interest in Peace , while we ensure that peoples views are communicated to International decision makers and Institutions as well as on a person to person basis.
This is a unique  global  network of  affiliates providing unparalleled access to our member’s views and  heard in National capitals and at major International forums around the world.
With simple  World WIN Postcards we can achieve all this  and also contribute to your organization with >dividends of sales<.
Through World WIN Postcard Sweepstakes you meet with your counterparts from around the globe, including those from the developing countries, to address matters of mutual interest and forge lasting relationships and friendships.
It would be awesome for the global excitement of all the viewer-ship – everyone tuning in around the world uniting with World WIN Postcard Sweepstakes from down under Tasmania – Australia and make New TV Shows an International success and be worshiped world wide for the opportunity given to the viewers to win $$$ or Holiday for two  + $ in Australia as well as appear on the show locally or worldwide.
We hope you will add your voice to ours and hereby help guarantee  world business leadership – and your own success – today and in the future.
Go for it and contact us for details.
Yours Sincerely
Eurydika J.S. Bukoven
Eva Karja Gutray-Bukoven
Tasmania Beem Co. – WWFC
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [IBOGAINE] Hi
Date: July 9, 2003 at 9:27:12 AM EDT
To: “Eric J. Leopold” <ejlmp@earthlink.net>, ibogaine@ibogaine.org
Reply-To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl

Note

Eric said;

Hi Brett,
I hope this Email finds you in good spirits.  Have

Getting there, today is a new day.

you ever tried the
herb velarian? It’s available in some drug stores
and stores that sell
vitamin supplements. It’s a sleep aid for mild
insomnia.

Yes, I have used it alone and in formula
(+skullcap…), but no, not this time, I even tried
valium (1/2 of a 5) as well as other home herbal
remedies, NG, it is well past that. I took 10mg oxy
about 10 last night, didn’t sleep a wink, not a nod,
the good thing is I kept noshing (for me, this is very
good). Then come 10 this morning, I don’t know, 20
really is too much unless I am in more pain. When I
mean I can’t sleep from opioids, I mean really WIRED
(oxy is softer than say MS or hydrocodone but I am
still up).

Anyway, way ahead of you on the natural products
though that reminds me, I need to pick up Rescue
Remedy, that will certainly help. I knew I had thought
of that before and was suppose to do it but I forgot I
had ADHD, so I did’t write myself a note.

The smell is
it’s worst selling point. The oder is from valaric

I am very familiar with the various putrid smells of
plants and sometimes creatures, or at least parts of
them…

Later and thanks, I will be OK, the trick is just
surviving till I am

Brett

acid and relatives
of that. The velaric acid is one more carbon atom
longer than butyric
acid (4 carbons) and that smells like rancid butter.
So velaric acid
smells like old sneakers. I’m a chemist and we do
dwell on odors a lot.
Anyway it’s not an over powering smell. This potion
is widly used in
Europe as a sleep aid. I once did a short literature
search on velarian
and found a reference to the effect that velarian
has a synergistic
effect on barbiturates. The velarian is calming and
may help with your
trials. I had heard that the musical group
Arrowsmith had used a lot of
velarian to help in their efforts to stop opiate
use. Rumor from a
friend; not totally BS- only 98%? Good luck.
Eric
My dogs Maggie and Tiger send their kisses:
<http://home.earthlink.net/~ejlmp/Maggie.html>
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine option
Date: July 7, 2003 at 8:42:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi and welcome.

In canada I think you can just order ibogaine legally
without any trouble.

The source listing is on ibogaine.co.uk

Ibogaine Treatment Centres and supply options

Carla B

— Bernard Seiman <bseiman@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Hello, I have only just now read this and then read
whole series at once. Very funny and excellent I
enjoyed it. I receive no answers from email adress.

http://herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

I am on only 50mg of methadone. I would like to try
stop. Could anyone please help to give me options
where I can get ibogaine? I am in Halifax.

Thanks to you

Bernard

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From: Bernard Seiman <bseiman@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [ibogaine] ibogaine option
Date: July 6, 2003 at 8:20:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello, I have only just now read this and then read
whole series at once. Very funny and excellent I
enjoyed it. I receive no answers from email adress.

http://herointimes.com/jul03/intervent.html

I am on only 50mg of methadone. I would like to try
stop. Could anyone please help to give me options
where I can get ibogaine? I am in Halifax.

Thanks to you

Bernard

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From: “Christina Thibeau” <christinathibeau@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: July 5, 2003 at 3:08:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, pauljackamo@hotmail.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Paul,
thanks for the info and the different sites to refer too.
really appreciated
Christina

From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 22:31:51 +0000

Hello christine

This is a  ibogaine “message board” of sorts………………….welcome aboard

for all ibogaine & iboga related information:

www.ibogaine.org

www.ibogaine.co.uk

hope this helps – paul.

From: “Christina Thibeau” <christinathibeau@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine-subscribe@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:30:09 -0300

Hello, I got your address from a mother who’s son just recently passed away from a cocaine overdose. He was extremely interested in iboga and wanted to do this as a treatment…. Do you have a message board that I could be part of and if so how do I get on this board? Any kind of info would be greatly appreciated

Thank-you

Sincerely,
Christina Thibeau

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From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Happy 4th of July
Date: July 4, 2003 at 11:08:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hilarious-even the links were funny! I’m amazed that
you found it!!!
Sue

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT), Vector Vector
wrote:

This is really funny shit 🙂

Happy 4th.

.:vector:.

—–Original Message—–
Subject: Google Humor

Friends –

I saw this and thought it was pretty amusing.

1. Go to www.google.com
2. Type in ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’
3. Instead of hitting ‘Google Search,’ hit ‘I’m
Feeling
Lucky’

Read the 404 Error page *very* carefully.

Enjoy the 4th,

-Jefferson-

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Happy 4th of July
Date: July 4, 2003 at 7:47:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is really funny shit 🙂

Happy 4th.

.:vector:.

—–Original Message—–
Subject: Google Humor

Friends –

I saw this and thought it was pretty amusing.

1. Go to www.google.com
2. Type in ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’
3. Instead of hitting ‘Google Search,’ hit ‘I’m Feeling Lucky’

Read the 404 Error page *very* carefully.

Enjoy the 4th,

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: July 4, 2003 at 6:31:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello christine

This is a  ibogaine “message board” of sorts………………….welcome aboard

for all ibogaine & iboga related information:

www.ibogaine.org

www.ibogaine.co.uk

hope this helps – paul.

From: “Christina Thibeau” <christinathibeau@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine-subscribe@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:30:09 -0300

Hello, I got your address from a mother who’s son just recently passed away from a cocaine overdose. He was extremely interested in iboga and wanted to do this as a treatment…. Do you have a message board that I could be part of and if so how do I get on this board? Any kind of info would be greatly appreciated

Thank-you

Sincerely,
Christina Thibeau

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] RE: [IBOGAINE] treatment report
Date: July 4, 2003 at 4:28:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— sara <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Brett,

Look at  http://www.tfhka.org/muscles/testing.html

It works very well.

his weight is 90kg, quite a big posture.

It been the third time this year that someone had a vision of a
holocaust coming,
He saw it was in America, their own mass distraction weapons are going
to be used against them, as a chemo therapy for cancer.
Too bad he said that only those who follow the way of respect the mother
nature and our creator will have the chance to make it, well there is no
racial discrimination there.

—–Original Message—–
From: ibogaine-admin@lists.calyx.nl
[mailto:ibogaine-admin@lists.calyx.nl] On Behalf Of Brett Calabrese
Sent: zaterdag 28 juni 2003 21:14
To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl
Subject: Re: [IBOGAINE] treatment report

Sara,

Thanks for the report, got a question.

I did a muscle tension test on him that showed me
to give him 8 grams of
Iboga extract.

Can you describe the test or point me to where I can
find info on it?  What was the patients weight?

Thanks,

Brett

He started the treatment taking one gram test dose
and some cannabis he
started to relax and to feel the iboga   one hour
later he took another 7
grams of iboga.ext.orally.
One and half hours later and he started seeing many
faces passing by he
didn’t recognize them
He saw the rainforest and animals, he was laughing,
he said it is intense
visionary trip. We talked about himsef in relation
to his family
About his life style and he was telling me about a
murder that was
committed in his house few months ago by his best
friend.
He was still working out the shock, and how
unbelievable fucked up his
friend was due to the Crack habit.
During the treatment he didn’t show any desire to
smoke Crack or tobacco,
Only vomited twice a little, no discomfort, and no
aggression, until the
third day,
He had some cannabis, he started eating and had a
good night sleep.

The next day he wanted to work again and left,

Now it is one half month later and he is clean, he
has the money to use
and he is a dealer
But he doesn’t use himself, he said “I rather do
something else with me
money “.
He still smoke Cannabis, he feels that it take the
anxiety away.

Have a good weekend all,

Sara

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From: “Christina Thibeau” <christinathibeau@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] how to subscribe to the site and other general info
Date: July 4, 2003 at 9:30:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine-subscribe@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello, I got your address from a mother who’s son just recently passed away
from a cocaine overdose. He was extremely interested in iboga and wanted to
do this as a treatment…. Do you have a message board that I could be part of and if so how do I get on this board? Any kind of info would be greatly appreciated

Thank-you

Sincerely,
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From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: AMON
Date: July 2, 2003 at 12:12:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 6/29/2003 4:35:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, marc420emery@shaw.ca writes:

Sandra & I were saddened to hear of Amon’s overdose, he had applied for
treatment here at Iboga House in late April and our location was changing so
we couldn’t help him until June we had to tell him.

Did we feel bad about that when we heard he had died.

Marc Emery
Iboga House, Vancouver

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From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: AMON

THANKyou to Allison and Curtis for expressing
condolences re.death of my son Chris. He worked for
Register.com , a povider of domanin names, and the
company generously agreed to keep his website,
amonworld.com in operation for the next ten years. A
friend of Chris’s and colleague at Register will be
admininstering the site and provided me access to his
email account a couple of weeks ago. By then there were
over 350 postings and e-mails to sort through. I hope
that members of this list will check out his website,
which eventually will be updated with pictures of him,
his eulogy, stories, etc.
One of the saddest messages was from Daniel Pinchbeck.
Chris refers to his book on the website and it was from
reading the book Breaking OPEN THE HEAD, that convinced
him ibogaine was the way for him to go. Thus, he wrote
to Pinchbeck and on May 28, a month after Chris’s
death, a reply inviting him to participate in a
film/documentary being produced in Mexico re. ibogaine
treatment- aftercare to be provided on a ranch in
California- all expenses paid-
Chris would have been thrilled at the opportunity- but
bad timing always seemed to be part of his life!
Anyway, a memorial fund has been established in his
name and it is my desire to use the money in a way that
would honor Chris and pay tribute to his memory. I
think somehow he is leading me to this whole ibogaine
experience, and perhaps there is a way I could help
someone in need of treatment. Chris was looking into
going to Vancouver to the iboga therapy house, in fact
was arranging for an Ekg. I won’t continue with this
topic, but I too am very excited about all I have read
at ibogaine.org and sincerely want to further the cause
in any way I can.
thanks for providing this forum, his website can also
be accessed through wetnightmare. com- check it out and
sign the guestbook which has been added since his
death.   mother SueOn Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:12:27 +1200,
“Allison Senepart” wrote:

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I just wanted to offer condolences to Amons Mum.  I
saw
his messages here
but had no idea he had died.  I don’t know that any of
this will make his
Mum feel better but a lot of addicts don’t set out
intentionally to die.  I
have a number of friends now that have overdosed or
died accidentely while
using drugs which is an incentive   that helps my
partner and I try to fight
to keep clean.  Its not easy and the temptation is
always just around the
corner but so far we are staying good for longer than
we have done at any
other time.  We have tried and failed so many times,
had arguments, given
up, been sick and everything else that goes with it.
My daughter is now 22
and is very anti hard drugs after having to live with
my partner and I and I
am certainly not proud to have introduced her to
things
she should never
have seen or been aware of.  All I can say is that its
like one part of your
mind is saying one thing and then another half is
talking you into the
opposite.  At times I was so determined not to do any
more morphine, poppies
etc. and then my partner would arrive home with
something and I would start
cramping in the stomach just anticipating it.  My
parents were horribly
upset when they figured out what I was doing.  I
managed to hide it for a
while but eventually everything feel to bits.  I would
turn up to visit and
nod off in the middle of a conversation and I guess it
was all too obvious.
They wanted to help me but I wouldn’t let them.  My
answer was to keep
telling them everything was under control cos I didn’t
want them to be
disappointed in me and also didn’twant to admit how
desperate and sick I was
when I needed a fix to get to work and function for
the
day.
I wish Amons mum all the best and hope that she will
find some understanding
from people on this list.
Regards Allison.   PS  It all sounds so inadequate but
my thoughts are there
even if though the words are hard to write.
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I”m not sure how to send a  message to this group-
but
I would like anybody who might have communicated
with
Amon to know that on April 26, he died suddenly. The
cause of death is still being investigated, but he
was
in the company of drug dealers at the time. I am his
mother and would appreciate hearing from anyone who
has
insights or previous messages from him, as I mourn
his
death and try to understand his pain. I know he was
trying desperately in his last two months to find
help
for his addiction. My agony is that I was not able
to
help him in time. If anyone out there can help me
with
understanding, I would be so grateful. thank you.

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Subject: [drugwar] Savant for a Day

June 22, 2003
Savant for a Day
By LAWRENCE OSBORNE

n a concrete basement at the University of
Sydney, I
sat in a chair waiting
to
have my brain altered by an electromagnetic pulse.
My
forehead was
connected, by
a series of electrodes, to a machine that looked
something like an
old-fashioned
beauty-salon hair dryer and was sunnily described
to
me
as a ”Danish-made
transcranial magnetic stimulator.” This was not
just
any old Danish-made
transcranial magnetic stimulator, however; this
was
the
Medtronic Mag Pro,
and
it was being operated by Allan Snyder, one of the
world’s most remarkable
scientists of human cognition.

Nonetheless, the anticipation of electricity being
beamed into my frontal
lobes
(and the consent form I had just signed) made me a
bit
nervous. Snyder found
that amusing. ”Oh, relax now!” he said in the
thick
local accent he has
acquired since moving here from America. ”I’ve
done
it
on myself a hundred
times. This is Australia. Legally, it’s far more
difficult to damage people
in
Australia than it is in the United States.”

”Damage?” I groaned.

”You’re not going to be damaged,” he said.
”You’re
going to be
enhanced.”

The Medtronic was originally developed as a tool
for
brain surgery: by
stimulating or slowing down specific regions of
the
brain, it allowed
doctors to
monitor the effects of surgery in real time. But
it
also produced, they
noted,
strange and unexpected effects on patients’ mental
functions: one minute
they
would lose the ability to speak, another minute
they
would speak easily but
would make odd linguistic errors and so on. A
number
of
researchers started
to
look into the possibilities, but one in particular
intrigued Snyder: that
people
undergoing transcranial magnetic stimulation, or
TMS,
could suddenly exhibit
savant intelligence — those isolated pockets of
geniuslike mental ability
that
most often appear in autistic people.

Snyder is an impish presence, the very opposite
of a
venerable professor,
let
alone an internationally acclaimed scientist.
There
is
a whiff of Woody
Allen
about him. Did I really want him, I couldn’t help
thinking, rewiring my hard
drive? ”We’re not changing your brain
physically,”
he
assured me. ”You’ll
only experience differences in your thought
processes
while you’re actually
on
the machine.” His assistant made a few final
adjustments to the electrodes,
and
then, as everyone stood back, Snyder flicked the
switch.

A series of electromagnetic pulses were being
directed
into my frontal
lobes,
but I felt nothing. Snyder instructed me to draw
something. ”What would you
like to draw?” he said merrily. ”A cat? You like
drawing cats? Cats it
is.”

I’ve seen a million cats in my life, so when I
close
my
eyes, I have no
trouble
picturing them. But what does a cat really look
like,
and how do you put it
down
on paper? I gave it a try but came up with some
sort
of
stick figure,
perhaps an
insect.

While I drew, Snyder continued his lecture. ”You
could
call this a
creativity-amplifying machine. It’s a way of
altering
our states of mind
without
taking drugs like mescaline. You can make people
see
the raw data of the
world
as it is. As it is actually represented in the
unconscious mind of all of
us.”

Two minutes after I started the first drawing, I
was
instructed to try
again.
After another two minutes, I tried a third cat,
and
then in due course a
fourth.
Then the experiment was over, and the electrodes
were
removed. I looked down
at
my work. The first felines were boxy and stiffly
unconvincing. But after I
had
been subjected to about 10 minutes of transcranial
magnetic stimulation,
their
tails had grown more vibrant, more nervous; their
faces
were personable and
convincing. They were even beginning to wear
clever
expressions.

I could hardly recognize them as my own drawings,
though I had watched
myself
render each one, in all its loving detail. Somehow
over
the course of a very
few
minutes, and with no additional instruction, I had
gone
from an incompetent
draftsman to a very impressive artist of the
feline
form.

Snyder looked over my shoulder. ”Well, how about
that?
Leonardo would be
envious.” Or turning in his grave, I thought.

As remarkable as the cat-drawing lesson was, it
was
just a hint of Snyder’s
work
and its implications for the study of cognition.
He
has
used TMS dozens of
times
on university students, measuring its effect on
their
ability to draw, to
proofread and to perform difficult mathematical
functions like identifying
prime
numbers by sight. Hooked up to the machine, 40
percent
of test subjects
exhibited extraordinary, and newfound, mental
skills.
That Snyder was able
to
induce these remarkable feats in a controlled,
repeatable experiment is more
than just a great party trick; it’s a breakthrough
that
may lead to a
revolution
in the way we understand the limits of our own
intelligence — and the
functioning of the human brain in general.

Snyder’s work began with a curiosity about autism.
Though there is little
consensus about what causes this baffling — and
increasingly common —
disorder, it seems safe to say that autistic
people
share certain qualities:
they tend to be rigid, mechanical and emotionally
dissociated. They manifest
what autism’s great ”discoverer,” Leo Kanner,
called
”an anxiously
obsessive
desire for the preservation of sameness.” And
they
tend to interpret
information in a hyperliteral way, using ”a kind
of
language which does not
seem intended to serve interpersonal
communication.”

For example, Snyder says, when autistic test
subjects
came to see him at the
university, they would often get lost in the main
quad.
They might have been
there 10 times before, but each time the shadows
were
in slightly different
positions, and the difference overwhelmed their
sense
of place. ”They can’t
grasp a general concept equivalent to the word
‘quad,”’ he explains. ”If
it
changes appearance even slightly, then they have
to
start all over again.”

Despite these limitations, a small subset of
autistics,
known as savants,
can
also perform superspecialized mental feats.
Perhaps
the
most famous savant
was
Dustin Hoffman’s character in ”Rain Man,” who
could
count hundreds of
matchsticks at a glance. But the truth has often
been
even stranger: one
celebrated savant in turn-of-the-century Vienna
could
calculate the day of
the
week for every date since the birth of Christ.
Other
savants can speak
dozens of
languages without formally studying any of them or
can
reproduce music at
the
piano after only a single hearing. A savant
studied
by
the English doctor J.
Langdon Down in 1887 had memorized every page of
Gibbon’s ”Decline and Fall
of
the Roman Empire.” At the beginning of the 19th
century, the splendidly
named
Gottfried Mind became famous all over Europe for
the
amazing pictures he
drew of
cats.

The conventional wisdom has long been that
autistics’
hyperliteral thought
processes were completely separate from the more
contextual, nuanced, social
way
that most adults think, a different mental
function
altogether. And so, by
extension, the extraordinary skills of autistic
savants
have been regarded
as
flukes, almost inhuman feats that average minds
could
never achieve.

Snyder argues that all those assumptions — about
everything from the way
autistic savants behave down to the basic brain
functions that cause them to
do
so — are mistaken. Autistic thought isn’t wholly
incompatible with ordinary
thought, he says; it’s just a variation on it, a
more
extreme example.

He first got the idea after reading ”The Man Who
Mistook His Wife for a
Hat,”
in which Oliver Sacks explores the link between
autism
and a very specific
kind
of brain damage. If neurological impairment is the
cause of the autistic’s
disabilities, Snyder wondered, could it be the
cause
of
their geniuslike
abilities, too? By shutting down certain mental
functions — the capacity to
think conceptually, categorically, contextually —
did
this impairment allow
other mental functions to flourish? Could brain
damage,
in short, actually
make
you brilliant?

In a 1999 paper called ”Is Integer Arithmetic
Fundamental to Mental
Processing?
The Mind’s Secret Arithmetic,” Snyder and D. John
Mitchell considered the
example of an autistic infant, whose mind ”is not
concept driven. . . . In
our
view such a mind can tap into lower level details
not
readily available to
introspection by normal individuals.” These
children,
they wrote, seem ”to
be
aware of information in some raw or interim state
prior
to it being formed
into
the ‘ultimate picture.”’ Most astonishing, they
went
on, ”the mental
machinery
for performing lightning fast integer arithmetic
calculations could be
within us
all.”

And so Snyder turned to TMS, in an attempt, as he
says,
”to enhance the
brain
by shutting off certain parts of it.”

”In a way, savants are the great enigma of
today’s
neurology,” says Prof.
Joy
Hirsch, director of the Functional M.R.I. Research
Center at Columbia
University. ”They exist in all cultures and are a
distinct type. Why? How?
We
don’t know. Yet understanding the savant will help
provide insight into the
whole neurophysiological underpinning of human
behavior. That’s why Snyder’s
ideas are so exciting — he’s asking a really
fundamental question, which no
one
has yet answered.”

If Snyder’s suspicions are correct, in fact, and
savants have not more
brainpower than the rest of us, but less, then
it’s
even possible that
everybody
starts out life as a savant. Look, for example, at
the
ease with which
children
master complex languages — a mysterious skill
that
seems to shut off
automatically around the age of 12. ”What we’re
doing
is
counterintuitive,”
Snyder tells me. ”We’re saying that all these
genius
skills are easy,
they’re
natural. Our brain does them naturally. Like
walking.
Do you know how
difficult
walking is? It’s much more difficult than
drawing!”

To prove his point, he hooks me up to the
Medtronic
Mag
Pro again and asks
me to
read the following lines:

A bird in the hand
is worth two in the
the bush

”A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush,” I
say.

”Again,” Snyder says, and smiles.

So once more: ”A bird in the hand is worth two in
the
bush.” He makes me
repeat it five or six times, slowing me down until
he
has me reading each
word
with aching slowness.

Then he switches on the machine. He is trying to
suppress those parts of my
brain responsible for thinking contextually, for
making
connections. Without
them, I will be able to see things more as an
autistic
might.

After five minutes of electric pulses, I read the
card
again. Only then do I
see
— instantly — that the card contains an extra
”the.”

On my own, I had been looking for patterns, trying
to
coax the words on the
page
into a coherent, familiar whole. But ”on the
machine,” he says, ”you
start
seeing what’s actually there, not what you think
is
there.”

Snyder’s theories are bolstered by the documented
cases
in which sudden
brain
damage has produced savant abilities almost
overnight.
He cites the case of
Orlando Serrell, a 10-year-old street kid who was
hit
on the head and
immediately began doing calendrical calculations
of
baffling complexity.
Snyder
argues that we all have Serrell’s powers. ”We
remember
virtually
everything,
but we recall very little,” Snyder explains.
”Now
isn’t that strange?
Everything is in there” — he taps the side of
his
head. ”Buried deep in
all
our brains are phenomenal abilities, which we lose
for
some reason as we
develop
into ‘normal’ conceptual creatures. But what if we
could reawaken them?”

Not all of Snyder’s colleagues agree with his
theories.
Michael Howe, an
eminent
psychologist at the University of Exeter in
Britain
who
died last year,
argued
that savantism (and genius itself) was largely a
result
of incessant
practice
and specialization. ”The main difference between
experts and savants,” he
once
told New Scientist magazine, ”is that savants do
things which most of us
couldn’t be bothered to get good at.”

Robert Hendren, executive director of the M.I.N.D.
Institute at the
University
of California at Davis, brought that concept down
to
my
level: ”If you drew
20
cats one after the other, they’d probably get
better
anyway.” Like most
neuroscientists, he doubts that an electromagnetic
pulse can stimulate the
brain
into creativity: ”I’m not sure I see how TMS can
actually alter the way
your
brain works. There’s a chance that Snyder is
right.
But
it’s still very
experimental.”

Tomas Paus, an associate professor of neuroscience
at
McGill University, who
has
done extensive TMS research, is even more dubious.
”I
don’t believe TMS can
ever elicit complex behavior,” he says.

But even skeptics like Hendren and Paus concede
that
by
intensifying the
neural
activity of one part of the brain while slowing or
shutting down others, TMS
can
have remarkable effects. One of its most
successful
applications has been in
the
realm of psychiatry, where it is now used to
dispel
the
”inner voices” of
schizophrenics, or to combat clinical depression
without the damaging side
effects of electroshock therapy. (NeuroNetics, an
Atlanta company, is
developing
a TMS machine designed for just this purpose,
which
will probably be
released in
2006, pending F.D.A. approval.)

Meanwhile, researchers at the National Institute
of
Neurological Disorders
and
Stroke found that TMS applied to the prefrontal
cortex
enabled subjects to
solve
geometric puzzles much more rapidly. Alvaro
Pascual-Leone, associate
professor
of neurology at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical
Center in Boston (who,
through
his work at the Laboratory for Magnetic Brain
Stimulation, has been one of
the
American visionaries of TMS), has even suggested
that
TMS could be used to
”prep” students’ minds before lessons.

None of this has gone unnoticed by canny
entrepreneurs
and visionary
scientists.
Last year, the Brain Stimulation Laboratory at the
Medical University of
South
Carolina received a $2 million government grant to
develop a smaller TMS
device
that sleep-deprived soldiers could wear to keep
them
alert. ”It’s not ‘Star
Trek’ at all,” says Ziad Nahas, the laboratory’s
medical director. ”We’ve
done
a lot of the science on reversing cognitive
deficiencies in people with
insomnia
and sleep deficiencies. It works.” If so, it
could
be
a small leap to the
day
it boosts soldiers’ cognitive functioning under
normal
circumstances.

And from there, how long before Americans are
walking
around with humming
antidepression helmets and math-enhancing ”hair
dryers” on their heads?
Will
commercially available TMS machines be used to
turn
prosaic bank managers
into
amateur Rembrandts? Snyder has even contemplated
video
games that harness
specialized parts of the brain that are otherwise
inaccessible.

”Anything is possible,” says Prof. Vilayanur
Ramachandran, director of the
Center for Brain and Cognition at the University
of
California at San Diego
and
the noted author of ”Phantoms in the Brain.”
Snyder’s
theories have not
been
proved, he allows, but they are brilliantly
suggestive:
”We’re at the same
stage in brain research that biology was in the
19th
century. We know almost
nothing about the mind. Snyder’s theories may
sound
like ‘The X-Files,’ but
what
he’s saying is completely plausible. Up to a point
the
brain is open,
malleable
and constantly changing. We might well be able to
make
it run in new ways.”
Of
those who dismiss Snyder’s theories out of hand,
he
shrugs: ”People are
often
blind to new ideas. Especially scientists.”

Bruce L. Miller, the A.W. and Mary Margaret
Claussen
distinguished professor
in
neurology at the University of California at San
Francisco, is intrigued by
Snyder’s experiments and his attempts to
understand
the
physiological basis
of
cognition. But he points out that certain profound
questions about
artificially
altered intelligence have not yet been answered.
”Do
we really want these
abilities?” he asks. ”Wouldn’t it change my idea
of
myself if I could
suddenly
paint amazing pictures?”

It probably would change people’s ideas of
themselves,
to say nothing of
their
ideas of artistic talent. And though that prospect
might discomfort Miller,
there are no doubt others whom it would thrill.
But
could anyone really
guess,
in advance, how their lives might be affected by
instant creativity, instant
intelligence, instant happiness? Or by their
disappearance, just as
instantly,
once the TMS is switched off?

As he walked me out of the university — a place
so
Gothic that it could be
Oxford, but for the intensely flowering jacaranda
in
one corner and the
strange
Southern Hemisphere birds flitting about — and
toward
the freeway back to
downtown Sydney, Snyder for his part radiated the
most
convincingly
ebullient
optimism. ”Remember that old saw which says that
we
only use a small part
our
brain? Well, it might just be true. Except that
now
we
can actually prove it
physically and experimentally. That has to be
significant. I mean, it has to
be,
doesn’t it?”

We stopped for a moment by the side of the roaring
traffic and looked up at
a
haze in the sky. Snyder’s eyes contracted
inquisitively
as he pieced
together
the unfamiliar facts (brown smoke, just outside
Sydney)
and eased them into
a
familiar narrative framework (the forest fires
that
had
been raging all
week).
It was an effortless little bit of deductive,
nonliteral thinking — the
sort of
thing that human beings, unaided by TMS, do a
thousand
times a day. Then, in
an
instant, he switched back to our conversation and
picked up his train of
thought. ”More important than that, we can change
our
own intelligence in
unexpected ways. Why would we not want to explore
that?”

Lawrence Osborne is a frequent contributor to the
magazine.

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Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] who’s minding the store at ethnogarden?

Thank  you very much ad astra i would like to note that i hjave had quite a few bad experience with internet sites it sounds as if ethnogarden has bunk iboga i dont know and i dont want to know if you live n usa but some companys in the us or sending the us strip a plant of its oils or alkaloids that are deemed illegal by lawmakers so you may ave bought ibogaine root they didnt tell you the did something to it to destroy the actual alkaloid that makes you have desired effects they do it to amanitas alot they strip all the muscimal and ibotenic acid out of them then sell the amanita muscaria and there real and everything but they cant get arrested for selling a pplant that has a psycoactive substance or there s option 3 what i thinks going on they keep thre first two things then they use the ibogaine and alkaloids  to ana;ly fuck themselves whiule keeping warm by a fire kindeled by hundred doller bills and byingn yau! ght s while good  people  who simpl;e would  like to enhance their lives are getting screwed so thank you veryvery much ethnogarden  SUCKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSASSSS! your not the first to report bunk product !

ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi,

I don’t know how to reach them, but I have had
experience, or perhaps I should say non-experience,
with their products.

I took 25 grams of ethnogarden iboga root bark about a
year ago, but had no discernable effect. At the time
I attributed it to possible absorption problems caused
by mixing it with milk and honey, and also the fact
that I only kept it down for about 2 hours before
puking it up.

A week ago I took 4 grams of ethnogarden extract on an
empty stomach (after fasting for about 15 hours), did
not puke, felt only mild nausea (though I had taken an
OTC anti-nausea medication), and had no noticeable
psychoactive effects. However I did feel physically
rather ill for a couple of days afterward. 4 grams of
the extract, according to the website, should be about
1 gram of ibogaine; proportional to my b! ody weight it
would be around 11-12 mg/kg ibogaine.

This could be just me…I could be immune to iboga’s
effects. I should also mention, though, that I spoke
a few days ago to someone who recently ingested 20
grams of root bark powder from ethnogarden and kept it
down for about 2 hours before throwing up. He
described the effects as being “very mild, maybe even
placebo effects.”

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard indirect accounts of
people getting some effect from around 5 grams of root
bark powder from ethnogarden.

— Will wrote:
> Does anyone know how to reach the folks at
> ethnogarden (the canadian place, not
> ethnobotanicals)? I’ve tried emailing
> info@ethnogarden.com but no response, and I’ve tried
> calling at various times in the day and evening, but
> no one answers the phone there either. If the
> proprietors are on this list, please reply and let> me know how to reach you with questions.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this company?
> Are they reliable, is their product good?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Will
>
>
>
>

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From: Eaquinet@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: “Impeach Bush!” Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser
Date: July 1, 2003 at 10:37:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Friends,
I know this isn’t technically about ibogaine, but many post things here that aren’t.  This is something very important to the future of the earth, to all of us, to say nothing of helping to stop the ridiculous war on drugs.  Please vote to impeach Bush!  eliana
From: ImpeachBush@VoteToImpeach.org
Subject: “Impeach Bush!” Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser
Date: June 29, 2003 at 4:47:09 PM EDT
To: eaquinet@aol.com
Reply-To: impeach_info@VoteToImpeach.org

“Impeach Bush!” Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser; A Message from Ramsey Clark on Letters to the Editor; 
Each One, Reach One Campaign Takes Off
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In the last week, the movement to impeach George W. Bush has entered a new and exciting phase. The call for Bush’s impeachment, which we have begun as a mass grassroots campaign, is increasingly the focus of commentary in the electronic and print media, on the Internet, and in swelling street demonstrations that have confronted George W. Bush as he engages in a whirlwind fundraising tour.

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The demonstrators’ calls for impeachment were so loud and spirited that they could be heard throughout the hotel in Los Angeles while Bush conducted his $2,000 per plate fund-raiser. At the same time that Bush told a crowd of south California’s elite that “I’m loosening up,” the lobby of the Century Plaza Hotel ballroom was echoing with the chants of “Stop Bush!” “Bush Lied!” and “Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?” and “Impeach!”
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June 27, 2003 Bush fundraiser in San Francisco
(photo, Eric Wagner, SF Indymedia)
Bush was also confronted by thousands of demonstrators in San Francisco where he held a fund-raising luncheon on Friday. The Associated Press reports, “Many protestors called for Bush’s impeachment for what they called his misleading the nation into a war with Iraq.”
On June 23, thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the Sheraton Hotel in midtown Manhattan for another bush fund-raiser. Associated Press reported that many demonstrators were collecting signatures on the www.VoteToImpeach.org petitions calling for Bush’s impeachment. You can download petitions calling for impeachment by clicking here.

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Sincerely,

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