Ibogaine List Archives - 2003-04

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article
Date: April 30, 2003 at 10:04:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Seems to me in my somewhat personal view that most treatment types must be
suspicious about ibogaine because it appears to remove the worst of
withdrawal pain from the withdrawal process, which many treatment types seem
to think is necessary when kicking, the pain part I mean, as it proves there
are consequences to use and that no one can expect to get off their drugs
without paying that pain price.
There’s also that “taking a trippy drug to kick addictive drug(s)”
thing, but my first point is the main one I think, whether the treatment
types admit it out loud or not. (This of course doesn’t get into the whole
“profit by running treatment centers” thing either, which is a driving
forces to the whole war in and of itself, and which ibogaine would go a long
way towards cutting drastically.) We must all pay for our sins is the
prevailing view amongst most treatment types I suspect, and to promote a
“drug” that bypasses that pain bit, well, that’s sacrilege, no?
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Jon Freedlander
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 4/29/03 3:49:01 PM, bcalabrese@yahoo.com writes:

But Frank Vocci, from the US National Institute on
Drug Abuse in Maryland, told New Scientist that while
there were “striking stories” of drug addicts who have
been helped by ibogaine, there were other anecdotes
describing people who did not quit their habit and
even died while taking the compound.

Frank could say the same thing about methadone, LAAM and burprenorphine.
Now, why didn’t he do that?

Because he works at NIDA?

Alan Leshner spoke at my college once while he was Grand Poobah of NIDA.
He’s a frighteningly ignorant man.

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] families, marches, ibogaine, and perseverance
Date: April 30, 2003 at 9:39:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Despite my comment yesterday, or maybe it was the day before, about
still trying but not yet succeeding to convince my family that the WOSDU is
utterly stupid and failing and a waste of time, money and lives, it seems
I’ve come a long way with at least my mom, who “caught” me rolling up a
teeny piece of war hash with tobacco on the back patio chez ‘rents at
Christmas time. Telling me she was “not shocked, surprised, upset” when she
realized what I was doing, she went on to say in a “Happy Easter” note to me
today that-

I don’t want to get in trouble, I pretty much have come to share your views
on the “dangers” of pot, but I am just too old to fight or demonstrate or
any of that.<

I never, ever seriously thought I’d hear or read such a view from one of my
‘rents, (though obviously I dreamed about it happening) but it seems that
I’ve been able to convince at least one of them that things are not exactly
what the prohibitionists make them out to be. I think my Dad is at about the
same level, though he’s not come right out like this and said it.
So, no matter how bleak things look, giving up never gets me anywhere,
but perseverance sometimes does.
Happy Easter and Spring to you all.

For those in the NYC area, the annual Cures-Not-Wars marijuana march is this
Saturday, and Sunday is a “big” ibogaine conference. (see below) Keep it in
mind. There will be other cities around the world, nearly 200 as near as I
can tell, that will also be holding associated marches, but NYC will be
holding the only Ibogaine conference. So perhaps I’ll meet one or more of
you this weekend, right?
;-))))

Peace,
Preston
——

IBOGAINE FORUM SUNDAY, MONDAY..

The Walker Stage @ 75 Walker St. (at Broadway)

Sunday, May 4, 2003, Noon to 8 pm

12:00 noon – 12:45 pm
Registration $20

12:45 pm – 1:00 pm
Introductory Remarks
Rommel Washington, BENU

1:00 pm – 2:30 pm
Traditional Healing and Religious Practice
Suzanne Bellamy, ex-BPP
Laurent Sazy, Photoethnographer
Malendi, Bwiti Nganga
Awolowo Johnson, Nganga/sociologist
Discussion

2:30 pm – 3:30 pm
Break

3:30 pm – 5:30 pm
Treatment Providers Speak
Howard Lotsof
Linette Carriere, IbogaTherapyHouse
Patrick Kroupa, Ibogaine List
Adam Nodelman, INTASH
Brian Mariano, Czech Republic
Lynn Maner
Discussion

5:45 pm to 8 pm
Ibogaine and the Search for Lost Sacraments
Prof. Carl Ruck, PhD, author, “The Apples of Apollo”
Daniel Pinchbeck, author,
“Breaking Open the Head”
Charles Kater, Friends of Bishop Pike
Frank Morales, Episcopalian Priest
OTHERS, TBA
Discussion

Monday, May 5, 2003,
10 am to 6 pm

10:00 am – 10:30 am
Registration $20

10:30 am – 10:45 am
Introductory Remarks
H.S. Lotsof

10:45 am – 1:45 pm
Scientific Panel
Kenneth R. Alper, MD
Deborah C. Mash PhD
Emmanuel Onaivi, PhD
Carl M. Anderson, PhD
Jonathan Freedlander, BA
Discussion

1:45 pm – 3:00 PM
Lunch

3:00 pm – 5:15 pm
Politics and Availability
Dana Beal, co-author,
“The Ibogaine Story”
Vic Hernandez, Dr PH
Howard Lotsof
Bob Sisko Addiction Research Institute
Ric Doblin, MAPS
Discussion

5:15 pm – 6:00 pm
Final Wrap-up Panel
Rommel Washington, BENU
& Principal Panelists

The Monday session will be attended by representatives of various
city and state agencies.

Dana/cnw

From: Brett Calabrese
To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article
Status:

I tried to find it, found this instead.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030425/103/dyjiw.html

Friday April 25, 12:49 PM

African shrub may help drug withdrawal
US scientists are investigating derivatives of a
compound from an African shrub that is said to cure
drug addicts of their habit, reports New Scientist
magazine.

Ibogaine is a compound that comes from the root of the
plant Tabernanthe iboga, found in Gabon, West Africa.
Followers of the Bwiti religion use it in ceremonies
for its vision-giving properties. But in the early
1960s, ibogaine became associated with reducing drug
cravings among heroin addicts attempting to withdraw.

Although banned in the US as a schedule 1 drug – it is
classed alongside heroin – some researchers say that
ibogaine is “worth investigating” as an alternative to
methadone to help heroin addicts avoid the effects of
withdrawal.

snip-

Frank could say the same thing about methadone, LAAM and burprenorphine.
Now, why didn’t he do that?<

(Well said Howard and a great point.)
I’ll send the March info in another email.
Peace again,
Preston

From: Jon Freedlander <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article
Date: April 29, 2003 at 9:33:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 4/29/03 3:49:01 PM, bcalabrese@yahoo.com writes:

Frank could say the same thing about methadone, LAAM and burprenorphine.
Now, why didn’t he do that?

Because he works at NIDA?

Alan Leshner spoke at my college once while he was Grand Poobah of NIDA.
He’s a frighteningly ignorant man.

From: “Joshua Tinnin” <krinklyfig@pacbell.net>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fw: FP announces consciousness conference, July 11-13
Date: April 29, 2003 at 9:12:26 PM EDT
To: “Ibogaine” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “stephen trichter” <stephentrichter@yahoo.com>

Helping investors expand and awaken

On July 11-13, False Profit will hold its first
conference: Altered States and the Spiritual
Awakening. The conference includes lecture and
workshops, opening and closing ceremonies, fully
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registration for the conferencebegins today at
http://www.assacon.com.

The lectures and workshops will be led by a number of
luminaries in the fields of transpersonal psychology,
parapsychology, and entheogens. (A list of all
presenters is included later in this email.) False
Profit has organized the event such that it will be
welcoming and financially accessible to all people
with an interest in consciousness and spirituality
people who may not yet have been able to connect with
a community of guides and fellow seekers.

“Mind over matter over money” say ASSA presenters

At its inception, False Profit aimed to increase
dividends paid to its investors by disbursing that
dividend directly in the form of human experience.
With ASSA, that project is taking a quantum leap
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Many months ago, FP employees saw that an entire
generation of young conscious-curious people were,
sadly, largely disconnected from the experiences and
epiphanies of previous generations. Most conferences
on consciousness expansion aimed at a more experienced
generation and didn’t reach out to their spiritual
successors. Slightly frustrated, mostly excited, The
Corporation created ASSA, a widely accessible and
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The Corporation quickly committed a high level of
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Investors may want to be aware that the conference
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The presenters:

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Robert Jesse
Jon Klimo, Ph.D.
Stanley Krippner, Ph.D.
Luis Eduardo Luna, Ph.D.
Maria Mangini, Ph.D. FNP, CNM
Justine E. Owens, Ph.D.
Daniel Pinchbeck
Beverly Rubik, Ph.D.
Ann Shulgin
Stuart Sovatsky, Ph.D.
Charles T. Tart, Ph.D.
Robert L. Van de Castle, Ph.D.

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
***Altered States and the Spiritual Awakening is a
substance-free event. We ask for your courtesy and
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Staff will ask attendees using substances to leave the
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\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

ABOUT FALSE PROFIT
False Profit (FPFT) is passionate about what a Limited
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=====
———————————————————–
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false profit, llc
43 norfolk st.
san francisco, ca 94103
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———————————————————–

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article
Date: April 29, 2003 at 9:04:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 4/29/03 3:49:01 PM, bcalabrese@yahoo.com writes:

Frank could say the same thing about methadone, LAAM and burprenorphine.
Now, why didn’t he do that?

Howard

From: Otter60@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely]
Date: April 29, 2003 at 4:53:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Huge Rally & Lobby to Stop Cuts in MA tomorrow go or call

It is essential that all MA residents call their legislators to stop ALL of
the health, human services and non-profit cuts TOMORROW. There will also be a
rally from 10:00am -6:00 pm at the State House in Boston, comew whenever you
can. THe legislators are mostly afraid to vote for anything smacking of a tax
increase. But organizations in MA such as United for Justice with Peace have
statistics which show that closing corporation loopholes and reversing recent
cuts in the income tax in a way that is fairer for lower income voters would
cover $2billion of the $3 billion shortfall. THe Boston Globe reported tthat
42 separate tax cuts in the last 12 years have reduced the states wallets by
millions. this is not Taxachusetts, that is a myth.
THe loss of Basic Meicaid has forced the closure ofhalf of the states
077detox beds And MMT patients are already being terminated, with more to
come unless the voters speak OUT.
As we all know, most of these cuts (daycare, senior prescriptions, schools,
aid to cities and towns youth jobs, etc.,will end up costing MORE money in
the long run, just as the treatment program cuts do.
It is crucial that you Call your State reps and say stop the cuts, riase
taxes fairly, close the loopholes today or tomorrow, as the vote will
probably be Friday. Here in Dorchester/Mattapna, they are Wallace,
617-269=7244, Marty WAlsh, 722-2188, Lower Mills/Mattapan, 722-2500, or Rep.
St. Fleur, 722-2070. For more info email me or go to www.faireconomy.org.

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: [IBOGAINE] New Scientist ibogaine article
Date: April 29, 2003 at 3:47:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@lists.calyx.nl, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I tried to find it, found this instead.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030425/103/dyjiw.html

Friday April 25, 12:49 PM

Dr Stanley Glick, a neuropharmacologist at New York’s
Albany Medical Center, studied the way ibogaine binds
to a range of receptors in the brain’s nerve endings.
He has now teamed up with Dr Martin Kuehne from the
University of Vermont to look at two of ibogaine’s
molecular cousins that have fewer side effects.

In research into 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC) – a
synthetic relative of ibogaine – they discovered that
rats administered with the compound reduced the amount
of drugs they self-administered and had less severe
withdrawal symptoms.

Dr Deborah Mash, a neuropharmacologist at the
University of Miami Medical Center, has also carried
out ibogaine trials in the past, and says that some
patients who took the treatment have remained drug
free for as long as six years.

Now Dr Mash has found that noribogaine – a natural
metabolite of ibogaine – helps addicted rodents stop
themselves from self-administering drugs. She believes
noribogaine locks onto the mu-opoid receptor – the
main binding site for morphine – and stifles the
stimulus that the drug provides.

Š HMG Worldwide Ltd 2003

— HSL123@aol.com wrote:

New Scientist, 26 April 2003

QUICK FIX
Just a single dose of an African folk remedy can
free drug addicts from their
cravings. So why aren’t doctors welcoming it with
open arms? Bob Holmes finds
out

This article has just come out but, is not available
from the online edition
of the magazine.

Howard

Howard S. Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
USA
http://www.doraweiner.org
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] New Scienist ibogaine article
Date: April 29, 2003 at 1:54:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

New Scientist, 26 April 2003

QUICK FIX
Just a single dose of an African folk remedy can free drug addicts from their
cravings. So why aren’t doctors welcoming it with open arms? Bob Holmes finds
out

This article has just come out but, is not available from the online edition
of the magazine.

Howard

Howard S. Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
http://www.doraweiner.org

From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] doing what after ibogaine?
Date: April 29, 2003 at 1:37:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dean,

Checkout SMART Recovery at http://www.smartrecovery.org

They may or may not have groups in your area. Even without groups you may find that the philosphies that they adhere to be refreshing in face of the twelve step domination.

I really like SMART recovery. When I did the 12-step thing people were always telling me not to think for myself and to call my sponser (“I was just thinking…” “Uh oh, you were thinking, you better call your sponser. You know what happens when you start thinking…”) At SMART I don’t get that. Instead we are told to think for ourselves and to create our own program. We know ourselves better than anyone else, therefore with determination and the proper mental skills at our disposal we can defeat our bad habits our own unique and individual way.

Good luck,
Randy

From: “Dean Farrel” <deanfarrel62@lycos.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] doing what after ibogaine?
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:00:09 -1100

Hi all. I think I’m part of the silent majority. I haven’t been here long but I feel a lot like amon said and related to his comments. Part of that I know is my own feelings about being addicted but part of that too is I relate to the being fucked up part that people here are. The difference is whether you all know it or not, most of you are very intimidating. I think the dumbest people who post here are some of the smartest people I’ve ever seen and the smartest ones I don’t understand at all.

You all are fucked up and very very smart. It is a little intimidating and makes me think whether or not I should ever say anything.

I read this and loved it

http://www.herointimes.com/mar03/intervent.html

Do the comments before mean that part 2 is not ever coming out then?

What I’m getting from all of you here is that after ibogaine you don’t have one answer for what to do but I don’t need to go back to the 12 step and treatment route. I live in northern California, any suggestions for contacts here or people who have done ibogaine and are not doing the steps?

Thanks
Dean

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From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine in New Zealand
Date: April 29, 2003 at 12:42:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know of any centres or treatment clinics. I don’t even know the legal status in NZ. Don’t think a lot of people, including medical and drug treatment people even know about it. Allison

I’ve told all the legalization people about it–nandor and so-on. It was like he never really considered what I was saying. The one guy that’s kind of working on it is Blair.

From: Blair Anderson <blair@mildgreens.com>
Reply-To: blair@mildgreens.com
Organization: Techno Junk and Grey Matter & Mild Green Initiative mildgreens.com
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To: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: NORML NZ release: J Day is Sat 3 May 2003
Status:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0304/S00153.htm

Blair Anderson
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Christchurch, NZ 8006
phone ++64 3 389-4065 025 2657219

Mild Green Initiatives, for your liberty, pleasure, health and safety.

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] doing what after ibogaine?
Date: April 28, 2003 at 9:39:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Paul, I wanted to say that I really liked your
words. You’re very expressive and brought to mind a
lot of the reasons that I read this list 🙂 I don’t
write here as often as I used to because life is very
hectic for me right now. I’ve been here I think nearly
since this list started and watched all of what you
mentioned, people come, go, stop posting, come back.

I’m not as great at expressing my thoughts as some of
you and not nearly as smart either but what I get here
that I haven’t found anywhere else is a lot of hope.
Every time I feel very down or I think I can’t handle
another day without getting high and I’m so sick of
groups (yes I go sometimes don’t lynch me 😉 or going
to therapy (I do that too), I read some of what’s here
and some of the time it’s completely over my head or
all over the place or people acting like they are all
5 years old.

I very much am drawn to all of this, I don’t even
begin to understand the whole history of everything,
but I look at mindvox and I love it. It’s beautiful,
in parts its brilliant, in other parts its like angry
5 year olds (I love the mission statement 😉

http://www.mindvox.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MindVoxUI.woa/wa/staticpage%3fpagename=About

It’s like something that obviously took a huge amount
of effort to make, then it has always been in the
process of opening again for 2 years I think? But none
of the people who run it can ever be bothered to get
around to that part, because they’re too dysfunctional
or don’t care about ever making money, so all of it
keeps growing into this strange group of very smart
people.

I always thought the only thing missing was a really
big KEEP OUT Secret Clubhouse! We have drugs, guns and
technology! sign 😉 Please don’t kill me patrick 🙂
Mindvox is the Lost Boys 😉

Speaking of you, you go from being a total dickhead to
being one of the most amazing and nice people I’ve
ever seen. It’s I don’t know how to say it, but
knowing there is this cute, smart guy 😉 who’s crazy
and who everyone says won’t last a week, keeps going
and is still going years later. It gives me a lot of
hope.

This whole list also humanises everyone, that there
are people behind all the stories. Knowing that Dr.
Mash the “evil witch” will send her phone number
through email and then talk for half an hour “Patrick
is a genius! That’s my son! And he hasn’t done heroin
in 3 years or even been arrested in a while!” I’m
sorry 😉 but it’s so funny and so sweet at the same
time.

Watching Dana with PKD 😉 and Howard posting crazy
movie links, Marc and iboga therapy house, Brett,
Curtis who really always remind me of little Jesus,
even though yes I know your name is from a
motherlovebone song 😉 Preston 🙂 Hang in there
Preston! Randy 🙂 Marko 🙂 Sara 🙂 Allison 🙂
Everyone.

And you too vector 😉 You actually listened last year
when some of us who are female mentioned that you were
showing how 18 years old you are 😉 You stopped. You
also I think are the one who coined the phrase that
still makes me laugh whenever I think of it because
it’s so very true. “Maybe I won’t smoke crack today,
I’ll just look at what’s happening on Mindvox instead.
Same effect” 😉

If you’re part of some big majority who is only
reading because you’re interested then that’s good.
But if you’re being quiet because you’re intimidated
then I don’t think there’s any need to do that. People
here are real, sometimes too real, but everyone here
has at one time or another said something that was
very important to me and I think of all of your as my
friends. Whatever anyone says here, afterwards
everyone calms down and goes back to being friends. Or
that’s what I’ve always seen here, I see people go off
for a few messages and then calm down and everything
is back to being whatever is normal here. Whatever
that means 😉

Thanks for being here 🙂

Carla B

— paul jackamo <pauljackamo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dean wrote :

Hi all. I think I’m part of the silent majority. I
haven’t been here long
but I feel a lot like amon said and related to his
comments. Part of that I
know is my own feelings about being addicted but
part of that too is I
relate to the being fucked up part that people here
are. The difference is
whether you all know it or not, most of you are
very intimidating. I think
the dumbest people who post here are some of the
smartest people I’ve ever
seen and the smartest ones I don’t understand at
all.

You all are fucked up and very very smart. It is a
little intimidating and
makes me think whether or not I should ever say
anything.
……..

What I’m getting from all of you here is that after
ibogaine you don’t have
one answer for what to do but I don’t need to go
back to the 12 step and
treatment route. I live in northern California, any
suggestions for
contacts here or people who have done ibogaine and
are not doing the steps?

Thanks
Dean

Hi Dean > All sorts of people post on here :
treatment providers/ibogaine
suppliers/sitters/junkies/those that have taken ibo
for chemical
dependence/psycho-spiritual reasons/those that are
interested in entheogens
full stop/researchers and a whole host of others
that dont fit easily into
any of these categories. (in reality most people
overlap and transcend such
easy categorisations anyway)

My guess is that ibogaine has a
self-selecting/self-organising dynamic all
of its own. With specific reference to those that
took ibogaine for chemical
dependency : – they tried every form of fucking
treatment/rehabilitation/ideology under the sun and
nothing worked, for them
at least.
If they didnt have the answers before then they
certainly wont have “one”
answer on what to do afterwards.
This self-selection/self-organising quality seems to
work across different
levels of magnification : the people who post on
here represent a small
selection of those who have taken ibogaine for
chemical dependency.

Others :

dont have access to a computer
simply get on with their lives
used to post and now do not
choose not to post
are back on drugs
never returned.
etc.

I post on here not because i am simply “smart and
fucked up” – but because i
like the people,period. I havent been on here long,
but it helps to keep me
clean (ie:it works for me), which is what i want in
present time.

Of the two people i know apart from myself who took
ibogaine for junk habits
here in england, one is back on it and the other i
havent heard from
recently.
In reel-time, i cant even begin to discuss some of
the shit that is going on
in my head with friends and family. Ive cut myself
off from all former using
buddies and the thought of sitting around discussing
my “disease” with the
step drones (yeah…i went outta my body and met
this really weird african
god….) doesnt really appeal.
Neither does discussing cognitive/psychological
strategies of relapse
prevention or childhood programming with the
treatment pimps. (copyrite PK).

What does appeal is being here,right here,right now.

welcome aboard the good ship mindvox.

paul.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 28, 2003 at 8:54:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Steve,

Do you feel a person could get the same
“psycho/spiritual/ego burning
benefits” from taking several smaller doses
( no visions/ movies),
as he could taking the full on three days with a
sitter dose?

No. Small doses, even accumulated and closer together
are not the same as 1 large(r) dose. Someone might
however get just as much (or close) out of doing a
smaller large dose (initiatory dose – ie 10-12mg/kg)
as a larger anti-addictive dose – though not for an
addict. Some of it comes down to you and what you
need, if you need a large dose, then you need a large
dose, there are many variables. ie If you were super
sensitive, it may be that even several hundred mg’s
will do it for you, or do enough. I have noticed that
people who have been exposed to ibo previously (ie
addicts) more often do smaller (ie several hundred
mg’s) with much success – a little head booster.
Having previously taken ibogaine will generally make
someone more sensitive to the experience. A little
more to your answer, believe me I TRIED!!!!!! If there
was a way to get the same out of repeated small doses,
I would be doing it… I do however like small doses
but they don’t accumulate into (the same as) a large
dose though, not quite… Warning, repeated close
together smaller doses (ie several hundred mg size)
can have negative effects that take a long time to
clear. Ie the sexual side effects (aphrodesiac) are
really great but repeated small doses (ie several
hundred mg)of that size can over-stimulate – read,
have a numbing effect. It can do that to the big head
too… just a bit, annoying, like you took too much of
some strange SSRI, just that it can take 6 months to
clear. I also tried smaller initiatory doses with
little success (ie 8mg/kg), that didn’t quite get me
“THERE” – in that case I felt cheated, then I had to
wait 6 months or so before dosing again – too close
toghether doesn’t feel good (of course it is a bit
different for say a methadone addict needing repeated
doses, the ibo has something to chew on besides you).

You also CAN’T do a big dose and then get that
wonderful glow and keep it by continued smaller doses,
the ibo will let you know that isn’t something you
should do (as in it don’t work that way). To some
extent it works, in other ways, not quite.

Brett

thanks, Steve

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] doing what after ibogaine?
Date: April 28, 2003 at 8:35:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dean wrote :

You all are fucked up and very very smart. It is a little intimidating and makes me think whether or not I should ever say anything.
……..

Thanks
Dean

Hi Dean > All sorts of people post on here : treatment providers/ibogaine suppliers/sitters/junkies/those that have taken ibo for chemical dependence/psycho-spiritual reasons/those that are interested in entheogens full stop/researchers and a whole host of others that dont fit easily into any of these categories. (in reality most people overlap and transcend such easy categorisations anyway)

My guess is that ibogaine has a self-selecting/self-organising dynamic all of its own. With specific reference to those that took ibogaine for chemical dependency : – they tried every form of fucking treatment/rehabilitation/ideology under the sun and nothing worked, for them at least.
If they didnt have the answers before then they certainly wont have “one” answer on what to do afterwards.
This self-selection/self-organising quality seems to work across different levels of magnification : the people who post on here represent a small selection of those who have taken ibogaine for chemical dependency.

Others :

dont have access to a computer
simply get on with their lives
used to post and now do not
choose not to post
are back on drugs
never returned.
etc.

I post on here not because i am simply “smart and fucked up” – but because i like the people,period. I havent been on here long, but it helps to keep me clean (ie:it works for me), which is what i want in present time.

Of the two people i know apart from myself who took ibogaine for junk habits here in england, one is back on it and the other i havent heard from recently.
In reel-time, i cant even begin to discuss some of the shit that is going on in my head with friends and family. Ive cut myself off from all former using buddies and the thought of sitting around discussing my “disease” with the step drones (yeah…i went outta my body and met this really weird african god….) doesnt really appeal.
Neither does discussing cognitive/psychological strategies of relapse prevention or childhood programming with the treatment pimps. (copyrite PK).

What does appeal is being here,right here,right now.

welcome aboard the good ship mindvox.

paul.

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From: Nandkbj@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine in New Zealand
Date: April 28, 2003 at 7:04:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WELL HERE IN CANADA IT WORKS ALITTLE DIFFRENT ,YES WE HAVE METH CLINICS BUT THE BEST PART IS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO AND PICK IT UP AT THE CLINIC, YOU CAN GO TO MOST ANY PHARMACY CLOSE TO YOU ,THEY HAVE YOUR FILE AND THEY DISPENSE IT TO YOU ,SO YOU NEVER WAIT, MORE THAN 5 MINUTESOR WHOM EVER IS BREGGING IN A SCRIPT, AND AS FOR PRICE I PAY 35$ CANADAIAN A WEEK WHICH IS 25$ US GIVE OR TAKE…NOW ABOUT PRIVELEDGES WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON METHADONE I HAD TO GO 7 DAYS A WEEK, BUT WITH TIME I PROVED MYSELF BUY DOING URINE ANALYSES, AND TODAY I COME IN ONLY TWICE A WEEK THE REST I TAKE HOME, ANYWAYS WHATS GOOD ABOUT CANADA IT IS GOVERMENT CONTROLLED SO PRICES ARE REGULATED , AND CLINICS DO NOT HAVE A HAND IN DISPENSING THE METHADONE, SO TO CONCLUDE IT IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY , BUT THE PATIENT..

KOBI

From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine in New Zealand
Date: April 28, 2003 at 5:53:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know of any centres or treatment clinics. I don’t even know the legal status in NZ. Don’t think a lot of people, including medical and drug treatment people even know about it. Allison
—– Original Message —–
From: Hattie
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine in New Zealand

on 4/30/03 12:20 PM, Allison Senepart at aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Message for Allison really and others from NZ on the list. I was wondering what the legal status for ibogaine is over there and if there are currently any treatment centers in NZ?
I may be a bit behind and out of date as you may have already had this discussion but I go through periods of following this list and periods of abstinence!

Thanks

Hattie

In New Zealand if you have been on the methadone programme for a couple of years which they call long term and have no problems, you can opt to get your script from your local GP providing he is OK with that and then that frees up the programe waiting list and you just see your GP every couple of months, which costs a doctors visit fee but is lots easier and you can get takeaways every 2nd day or for a max of 4 or 5 over holiday periods. Our clinics here revolve round councilling. If you are on the National Health and methadone clinic you are obliged to see a councillor every month or so and be prepared to supply urine samples until proven trustworthy if that makes any sense and after that they let your own doctor keep an eye on you. Tis easier but still the liquid handcuff situation. Allison
PS I have also been getting lots of spam about scripts on the net, valium, viagra and all sorts. Is it cos we are on a drug sort of list, do they think we will buy anything???
Personally I wish they would bugger off and stop clogging up my mail box and taking my time up deleting their rubbish.
—– Original Message —–
From: Robin Downard <mailto:RobinLynnDownard@msn.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Take home mmethadone.

Hi,
I live in Maryland. I go in once a week at my clinic. I pay $80 per week…..yes I said $80.00, eighty dollars, per week. When I started , it was $70 per week. It went up this year. They also just recently started testing for marijuana. They just stopped doing observed UAs. The wait is not bad if you go at the the right time. They have buses that bring Medical Assistance patients from Baltimore once or twice a day. The clinic is open until 12noon, and they open at 5:30am. I can only complain about the fee as I realize some people go to clinics from HELL. Well, I hope this helped.

Take care,
Robin

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Skupien
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:10 PM
To: Ibogaine mailing list
Subject: [ibogaine] Take home mmethadone.

I am writing in response to Tara, who was asking about other people who
are on methadone and their ability to take home your meth. I am in
Chicago, IL and I have been on meth for quite a while now. My clinic
doesn’t care about THC being found in your system. I only go in to get
medicated every 2 weeks. Soon I should be able to go in only once a
month! I always have THC in my system, as I smoke weed pretty much
every day. On top of that, I get to take home “dry” medication, which
they give to me in tablet form. Most other people who take their meth
home have water or juice put into it before they can carry it home. I
guess I found a really good clinic! I never have to wait in line more
than a couple minutes, and I’m always out the door in less than 5
minutes. The only bad part is that it costs $60.00 a week! I am curious
as to what other people pay for their meth, here in the US. Please
write to the list and let us know. My point for writing this is to say
that not all clinics are so lame, you just need to look around a bit,
and maybe you can find a better option for treatment. Before I went to
my current clinic, I opted for a slightly cheaper clinic, and it was a
royal pain, just like the one Tara goes to – I had to go in 6 days a
week, and much of the time I had to wait more than 20 minutes
(sometimes up to an hour) just to get medicated. So, maybe you need to
look around at other meth clinics. Soon I hope to be going to the Iboga
therapy house and hopefully I will be able to leave the entire
methadone experience behind me, and hopefully you will too.

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From: sw95472@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 27, 2003 at 11:55:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brett,

Do you feel a person could get the same “psycho/spiritual/ego burning benefits” from taking several smaller doses ( no visions/ movies), as he could taking the full on three days with a sitter dose?

thanks, Steve

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [drugwar] Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely]
Date: April 27, 2003 at 3:12:36 PM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <vector620022002@yahoo.com>, <digital@phantom.com>

Hi all, and Oh,
Tami, Just to let you know,
When it come to discussions raised by Patrick, well, he gets to do what
he wants- he helped me (well, “helped is a relative term, as he took an idea
and ran with it for me and Andria- Andria no longer here on the list with us
unfortunately) and set this whole DrugWar list thing up for us.;-)))
Sometimes he shares things that go right over my head, but that’s ok, I
don’t mind, and often it’s weird and funny and even vaguely technical stuff,
often going over (or through) my head, so….

for a recap of who the techyfriend is who posts the techy stuff-

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.05/cybernaut.html

Memoirs of a Cybernaut
By Patrick Kroupa
A story about a pair of outlaw hackers who turned legit. In the 1980s, most
online explorers were so caught up in the romance and novelty of cyberspace
that they showed little interest in analyzing their motives or the nature of
the medium they were helping to create.
Patrick Kroupa was an exception. Driven by a sense of wonder and a helping
of hubris, he wrote many commentaries on the electronic continuum. The text
below is a greatly abridged version of a long piece chronicling the decline
of idealism online – which ultimately led Kroupa to start MindVox with his
partner Bruce Fancher, in an effort to recapture some of the old spirit. –
Charles Platt
By Patrick Kroupa
Led by an oddball contingent of misfits, dropouts, acid-heads, phreaks,
hackers, hippies, scientists, and students, guys who could say “doOd, got
any new wares?” with a straight face and really mean it, the 1980s saw the
rise of the first empires and kingdoms of cyberspace.
When I first became an active participant in this electronic nervous system,
I was a little over 10 years old. My early understanding of this “place” was
shaped by a handful of people whose skills I admired and sought to emulate,
yet whose lives I felt great pity and sadness for. They were building the
cult of high tech in the hopes that it would somehow save them from whatever
they thought had prevented them from attaining happiness anywhere else.
Everything really was this big beautiful game, and here we were with an
overview of the whole jigsaw puzzle, and the sudden power to do anything we
wanted to do with it. For the first time in recent history you could reach
out and change reality, you could do stuff that affected everything and
everyone, and you were suddenly living this life that was like something out
of a comic book or adventure story….
It was a very interesting time and place in which to grow up. Of course, the
problem was that a lot of us didn’t grow up.
One day you wake up and come to realize that you’re seventeen or eighteen
going on 90. You understand that everything in the whole world is comprised
of bits and pieces of lies and half-truths, everyone is inherently corrupt,
including you; a lot of kids who used to be your friends are now all grown
up with no place to go and getting busted for such things as fraud and grand
larceny; and you have utterly lost touch with anything even remotely “real.”
snip-
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: Halphen, Tammera
To: vector620022002@yahoo.com ; digital@phantom.com ; Drugwar@Mindvox. Com
(E-mail)
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 10:10 AM
Subject: FW: [drugwar] Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari
is Broken Completely]

Uh, guys, this has absolutely nothing to do with this list or the drugwar!
Why don’t you communicate among yourselves and leave the technical support
chatter off this list. I do enough technical support where I work and
really don’t care to hear about it on the drugwar list!

Tammera Halphen
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To join my email list of news on the drug war and justice send an email to
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go to

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—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:23 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; crashtestdummies@mindvox.com;
drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [drugwar] Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari
is Broken Completely]

The craziest part is that now David Hyatt will write 25 entries to his
web log on mozillazine as he tracks the problem.

Other then writing big pieces of most of the browsers being used on
OS/X David Hyatt needs to be medicated and taken away from his computer
and bong.

Or not 🙂

Besides OS X on the Mac using Safari, it loads under everything for
windows (I know I know, so shoot me, I need windows to play games! 🙂
and works under galleon, konquerer, mozilla and everything I’ve tried
under linux.

Open it already 🙂

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Here, everybody needs to be aware of this.

My work here is done, I’m leaving now.

Patrick

ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:29:25 -0400
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: voxadm@mindvox.com, hyatt@apple.com
CC: sudo@dross.com
Subject: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely

Dear Mr. Hyatt,

I would like to bring your attention to a PROBLEM with Safari.

To wit, it Completely Breaks our Pretty Graphics; totally.

http://www.mindvox.com/~dross/mv04/

(http://www.mindvox.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MindVox)

Just LOOK at that. The purple psychedelic MindVox thing? It’s
BROKEN!

Now then, Camino/Chimera, Mozilla, IE, and OmniWeb. All load the
page,
just super-fine. Whereas Safari WON’T. Neither will Opera or iCab.

Surely you realize that having Safari correctly render the beta of
MindVox
II, is Absolutely *crucial* for the whole entire future of Apple as a
corporation — and do not want to live in shame; forever relegated to
the
browser ghetto with Opera and iCab.

It’s quite obvious that we should not have to fix our wacked-out
html,
which is hung around the uber-technology of Apple’s very own
WebObjects(TM)(C)(R)(SM).

The fate of universes lies within your hands.

Hopefully you will do the RIGHT THING. I *need* to use Safari. It’s
pretty, melty, and brushed-metal. It makes me feel happy
inside. Therefore: Make it GO! (Right away, if not sooner.)

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Patrick

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From: “Dean Farrel” <deanfarrel62@lycos.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] doing what after ibogaine?
Date: April 27, 2003 at 3:00:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You all are fucked up and very very smart. It is a little intimidating and makes me think whether or not I should ever say anything.

I read this and loved it

http://www.herointimes.com/mar03/intervent.html

Do the comments before mean that part 2 is not ever coming out then?

Thanks
Dean

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From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] 57 cents; fwd
Date: April 27, 2003 at 2:58:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

got this from my dad
I’m not much on these chains but this is a sweet story

i couldn’t think of 7 people whose email addresses i remember who would take kindly to this email, so i thought that sending it to the mailing list would cover me :)…please read all the way through, and let this serve as a reminder thatany higher power that has helped you in the past (god, allah, nature, that pattern on the wall you stared at for hours until the light changed and it suddenly became an answer) is something that can be a powerful tool in generating hope if you just tell others of your experience. Something out there is holding me close: otherwise I’d have died by now. The same surely applies to many on the list. Take what you need and leave the rest: don’t let dogma get in the way of something capable of generating such good karma.
i figured i need all the wishes i can get, and it can’t hurt to spread such a joyful story along.regardless of your faith, this is endearing, and maybe, just maybe, some of its hope will help us all. I want to stress that i am not attempting to preach; i am not a conservative christian in any way, but i have to remember to keep my mind open so that i can recieve gifts from any benevolent force that may be out there, and give of myself to anything-be it amnesty international or painting faces for kids at my grandmas church-benevolent in nature. Let us not close ourselves to anything that could help us. Let us not deny help to anyone in need.
“We can’t afford to let people come to harm; we owe them our lives…each breath is recycled from someone elses lungs; our enemies are the very air in disguise..our enemies are the air…..”ani difranco

Subject: 57 Cents

A sobbing little girl stood near a small church from which she had been turned away because it “was too crowded.” “I can’t go to Sunday School,” she sobbed to the pastor as he walked by.
Seeing her shabby, unkempt appearance, the pastor guessed the reason and, taking her by the hand, took her inside and found a place for her in the Sunday school class. The child was so happy that they found room for her, that she went to bed that night thinking of the children who have no place to worship Jesus.

Some two years later, this child lay dead in one of the poor tenement buildings and the parents called for the kindhearted pastor, who had befriended their daughter, to handle the final arrangements.
As her poor little body was being moved, a worn and crumpled purse was found which seemed to have been rummaged from some trash dump. Inside was found 57! cents and a note scribbled in childish handwriting which read, “This is to help build the little church bigger so more children can go to Sunday School. For two years she had saved for this offering of love.
When the pastor tearfully read that note, he knew instantly what he would do. Carrying this note and the cracked, red pocketbook to the pulpit, he told the story of her unselfish love and devotion.
He challenged his deacons to get busy and raise enough money for the larger building.
But the story does not end there!
A newspaper learned of the story and published it. It was read by a Realtor who offered them a parcel of land worth many thousands. When told that the church could not pay so much, he offered it for 57 cents.
Church members made large donations. Checks came from far and wide.
Within five years the little girl’s gift had increased to $250,000.00 a huge sum for that time (near the! turn of the century). Her unselfish
love had paid large dividend.
When you are in the city of Philadelphia, look up Temple Baptist Church, with a seating capacity of 3,300 and Temple University, where hundreds of students are trained.
Have a look, too, at the Good Samaritan Hospital and at a Sunday School building which houses hundreds of Sunday Schoolers, so that no child in
the area will ever need to be left outside during Sunday school time.
In one of the rooms of this building may be seen the picture of the sweet face of the little girl whose 57 cents, so sacrificially saved, made such remarkable history. Alongside of it is a portrait of her kind pastor, Dr. Russel H. Conwell, author of the book, “Acres of Diamonds”, a true story, which goes to show WHAT GOD, CAN DO WITH 57 cents.
Please send this back.- You’ll see why.

St. Theresa Prayer(cannot be deleted)

REMEMBER to make a wish before you read the prayer. That’s all you have to do. There is nothing attached. This is a powerful novena.! Just send this to four people and let me know what happens on the fourth day….
Do not break this, please. Prayer is one of the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of reward. (This is true) (Did you make a wish?)
if you don’t make a wish, it won’t come true. Last Chance to Make a Wish

May today there be peace within
May you trust your highest power that you are exactly where you are
meant to be….
May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith
May you use those gifts that you have received, and pass on the love
that has been given to you….
May you be content knowing you are a child of God…. Let this presence
settle into our bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance,
It is there for each and every one of you….

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Opiates and Dreams
Date: April 27, 2003 at 12:18:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I too get something like this bro. I have the feeling of very much being
surrounded by people who have died and did not made it out when I do
ibo. I would think that if the people I saw were friends I used to have
who died or people I knew, then maybe I’m working out some kind of grief
or loss. But most of all what I get are people I don’t know at all and
have never seen before, around me.

Peace out,
Curtis

On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:09:24 -0700 Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Funny thing you should mention the lost souls of opiate addicts “feeding”
off
of your high, I’ve had that distinct notion multiple times, and
when I did
Ibogaine to kick I experienced one of those souls face to face.
She had
overdosed in the hotel I had lived in in the city, and she used
to live with
one of my “peers”. She had been described to me a few times back
in the day so
when I encountered her in my ibo experience, I knew exactly who
she was. She
appeared, begging me to fix, holding out my shooting kit, pleading
for me to
get her well. It was quite vivid and un-nerving and it took a while
to sink in
that this was some sort of excorcism. Some may call me crazy, but
I did
experience this and stranger things have happened.

~gamma

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely]
Date: April 27, 2003 at 12:09:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

David Hyatt is very annoying bro and you’re going to make him write another
40 pages about something.

I try to stay away from web anything and stick with graphic design but
some of the time that does not work out. I have had to deal with David
Hyatt making changes in everything which he doesn’t document and breaking
pages. Then our clients ask why Netscape doesn’t work any more, because
some guy changed everything 6 months ago is why.

He started with mozilla, quit and wrote 25 pages which were funny to
give him cred 😉 about how programming mozilla was being lost in a maze
in a adventure game where nobody remembers how anything works and there
are 2 guys left alive who still understand it, they haven’t written any
documentation.

He started chimera, then left that, he was on the Internet Explorer team,
left Microsoft, now he’s running Apple’s entire browser project. It
should take him another 3 months before he quits that and explains how
he can’t handle the pressure of working with himself anymore and starts
another project.

David Hyatt on mozilla and Netscape, a few paragraphs from the novel
he wrote about why he hates everybody:

…………

To that end, I have graciously and without pay designed a solution that
caters to everyone. I proudly present the splash screen manager.

You know, this is an excellent idea. I still think Mozilla needs a
Manager Manager to manage all of its various managers, so that you can

decide which managers should be actively managing and which should be

turned off (i.e., not managing).

Unfortunately, I don’t think this whole splash screen manager idea will
work for Safari. You see, oddly enough, we made it a priority to start
up virtually instantly, which makes a splash screen somewhat pointless.

I know! It’s clearly time to implement the Startup Delay Manager for

Safari. The entire browser can launch with a randomized delay, or maybe
it could slide in from the side of the screen, or it could dance its
way out of your dock while singing “Getting to Know You.”

Clearly this is something people want, so we’ll make it a priority. After
all, the users come first. The beta comes with:

Your wife sure is a lying, cheating whore splashscreen.

I can’t find my drugs splashscreen.

I have to go to the bathroom really badly splashscreen.

Sad (my cat just died) splashscreen.

Sad (my entire family was just killed in a train wreck) splashscreen.

Blake Ross couldn’t code his way out of a paper bag splashscreen.

Peace out and let David keep his bong, he needs it
Curtis

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From: “yarod33” <yarod33@jejerote.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] a question…
Date: April 27, 2003 at 8:26:54 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vendes por correo?
Si es así ponte en contacto conmigo…
Pago bien…
Do you sell by mail?
If it is you contact this way me… I pay well…

From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Opiates and Dreams
Date: April 27, 2003 at 8:23:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Not “crazy” at all gamma – entity contact (and/or its simulation) seems to be part and parcel of the opiate and ibogaine experience.
The universe next door seems to be teaming with every fucking lifeforce under the sun including elves,african gods, your long deceased grandfather and of course,dead junkies.(the holographic universe of superimposition before the state vector collapses -it gets kinda crowded)
In none western cultures no-one would blink an eye. In the west it seems you gotta be selective about who you voice these encounters with –
you know the look when yr mention certain experiences to those who are firmly stuck in the locked groove of consensus reality:”shit,this guys fucking crazy..”
It seems that the only culturally valid location where you can undergo these experiences in the west is the asylum.

my response is the same as haldane’s : “the universe is not only stranger than we conceive, but stranger than we can conceive.” (or something like that)

paul.

(keep taking those entity mugshots gamma 😉

did i tell you about the time i smoked synthetic dmt with a shot of heroin…:)

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Opiates and Dreams
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 21:09:24 -0700 (PDT)

Funny thing you should mention the lost souls of opiate addicts “feeding” off
of your high, I’ve had that distinct notion multiple times, and when I did
Ibogaine to kick I experienced one of those souls face to face. She had
overdosed in the hotel I had lived in in the city, and she used to live with
one of my “peers”. She had been described to me a few times back in the day so
when I encountered her in my ibo experience, I knew exactly who she was. She
appeared, begging me to fix, holding out my shooting kit, pleading for me to
get her well. It was quite vivid and un-nerving and it took a while to sink in
that this was some sort of excorcism. Some may call me crazy, but I did
experience this and stranger things have happened.

~gamma

— booker w <swbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:

———————————

Hi Allison. I’ve been taking some low doses of codeine due to practically
constant headaches lately and I record my dreams almost nightly. Since I
started back on the codeine my dreams have definitely seemed to turn a little
darker, but maybe that’s partly because I sort of feel like I’m relapsing.
Don’t have the answer to that just yet, but another weird thing that used to
happen to me when I took morphine or strong doses of any opiates, that I’ve
always been curious about, is – right as I would sink into the “high” I would
feel like there were a whole bunch of “beings” around me and it would
definitely feel dark and damp in that space. I know it sounds nuts but I often
had the feeling that folks that’d died who were opiate addicts were hanging out
around me to get some sort of “contact high.” The feeling would only last a
bit, and then it was like I travelled past it… I talked a few years ago to a
fellow who said he had that same feeling, but no one else has ever mentioned
it. Just wondering if anyone around here had ever had that impression.

I definitely had dreams when getting high, but like I said, it seems like there
was very often a dark cast to things.

Best wishes to all, Sandy
>From: “Allison Senepart” >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: >Subject: Re:
[ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action >Date: Thu, 24
Apr 2003 23:32:20 +1200 > >Question for Marc and anyone else out there. When we
use morphine and >Heroin we don’t dream, or I don’t think we do. When we stop
and come off we >start dreaming at night again. I’ve noticed that at first the
dreams are >scary and we often wake up calling out. After a few months we dream
lots >and lots and often wake up laughing and talking in our sleep. Both myself
>and my partner Wayne have picked up on that. Is that a normal progression >to
coming off opoids or what. Does anyone know or have similar experiences. >..I
would like to hear from anyone else who has an experience or opinion or
>explanation. Thanks Allison >—– Original Message —–

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Opiates and Dreams
Date: April 27, 2003 at 12:09:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

~gamma

— booker w <swbooker@hotmail.com> wrote:

———————————

I definitely had dreams when getting high, but like I said, it seems like there
was very often a dark cast to things.

Best wishes to all, Sandy
From: “Allison Senepart” >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To: >Subject: Re:
[ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action >Date: Thu, 24
Apr 2003 23:32:20 +1200 > >Question for Marc and anyone else out there. When we
use morphine and >Heroin we don’t dream, or I don’t think we do. When we stop
and come off we >start dreaming at night again. I’ve noticed that at first the
dreams are >scary and we often wake up calling out. After a few months we dream
lots >and lots and often wake up laughing and talking in our sleep. Both myself
and my partner Wayne have picked up on that. Is that a normal progression >to
coming off opoids or what. Does anyone know or have similar experiences. >..I
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely]
Date: April 26, 2003 at 9:22:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, crashtestdummies@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The craziest part is that now David Hyatt will write 25 entries to his
web log on mozillazine as he tracks the problem.

Other then writing big pieces of most of the browsers being used on
OS/X David Hyatt needs to be medicated and taken away from his computer
and bong.

Or not 🙂

Open it already 🙂

.:vector:.

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Here, everybody needs to be aware of this.

My work here is done, I’m leaving now.

Patrick

Dear Mr. Hyatt,

I would like to bring your attention to a PROBLEM with Safari.

To wit, it Completely Breaks our Pretty Graphics; totally.

http://www.mindvox.com/~dross/mv04/

(http://www.mindvox.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MindVox)

Just LOOK at that. The purple psychedelic MindVox thing? It’s
BROKEN!

Now then, Camino/Chimera, Mozilla, IE, and OmniWeb. All load the
page,
just super-fine. Whereas Safari WON’T. Neither will Opera or iCab.

It’s quite obvious that we should not have to fix our wacked-out
html,
which is hung around the uber-technology of Apple’s very own
WebObjects(TM)(C)(R)(SM).

The fate of universes lies within your hands.

Hopefully you will do the RIGHT THING. I *need* to use Safari. It’s
pretty, melty, and brushed-metal. It makes me feel happy
inside. Therefore: Make it GO! (Right away, if not sooner.)

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Patrick

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] [digital@phantom.com: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely]
Date: April 26, 2003 at 7:55:40 PM EDT
To: crashtestdummies@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Cc: sacrament@mindvox.com, kotas4christ@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here, everybody needs to be aware of this.

My work here is done, I’m leaving now.

Patrick

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [voxadm] Safari is Broken Completely
Date: April 26, 2003 at 7:29:25 PM EDT
To: voxadm@mindvox.com, hyatt@apple.com
Cc: sudo@dross.com
Reply-To: voxadm@mindvox.com

Dear Mr. Hyatt,

I would like to bring your attention to a PROBLEM with Safari.

To wit, it Completely Breaks our Pretty Graphics; totally.

http://www.mindvox.com/~dross/mv04/

(http://www.mindvox.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MindVox)

Just LOOK at that. The purple psychedelic MindVox thing? It’s BROKEN!

Now then, Camino/Chimera, Mozilla, IE, and OmniWeb. All load the page,
just super-fine. Whereas Safari WON’T. Neither will Opera or iCab.

Surely you realize that having Safari correctly render the beta of MindVox
II, is Absolutely *crucial* for the whole entire future of Apple as a
corporation — and do not want to live in shame; forever relegated to the
browser ghetto with Opera and iCab.

It’s quite obvious that we should not have to fix our wacked-out html,
which is hung around the uber-technology of Apple’s very own
WebObjects(TM)(C)(R)(SM).

The fate of universes lies within your hands.

Hopefully you will do the RIGHT THING. I *need* to use Safari. It’s
pretty, melty, and brushed-metal. It makes me feel happy
inside. Therefore: Make it GO! (Right away, if not sooner.)

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Patrick

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?Ya me too
Date: April 26, 2003 at 2:43:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick,

So why are you posting to the list/telling me, then
unsubscribe. The instructions have been posted ad
nauseum over and over and are included in every email
from the list (see the header info). That is what I
mean about people being in love with the problem, the
solution is right there in front of them, tell them
over and over but they still complain as if they
heard/read/understood nothing that was said. Of course
I am completely innocent of doing such a thing…

Brett

List-Post: <mailto:ibogaine@mindvox.com>
List-Help: <mailto:ibogaine-help@mindvox.com>
List-Unsubscribe:
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List-Subscribe:
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— Nick Labus <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would like to UN-SUBSCRIBE To0Oo0

Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
I really enjoyed this 🙂

Mindvox was always this legend from the dawn of time
that I heard about
and only saw the history of, I regret that I was
never on it when it
opened. But I was 7 then and didn’t know I wanted to
be part of it.

This almost made me cry with nostalgia for something
I never witnessed.
You just can’t buy that kind of customer service
anymore. Thank you
Patrick that was beautiful. And I was here when it
happened instead of
reading google groups for the 5,000 complaints
people posted about old
Mindvox ‘and this drunk guy called me a idiot and
slammed down the
phone when I called customer service. They billed my
credit card 5
times this month’

That was really beautiful. I mean that.

‘MindVox: Where the Customer is Always Wrong’

So when do you all plan on opening it? Can’t help
but notice it’s all
sitting right there 🙂

.:vector:.

— Jon Freedlander wrote:

Patrick, you aer a great, great man.

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From: Nick Labus <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?Ya me too
Date: April 26, 2003 at 11:38:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would like to UN-SUBSCRIBE To0Oo0

Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

I really enjoyed this 🙂

Mindvox was always this legend from the dawn of time that I heard about
and only saw the history of, I regret that I was never on it when it
opened. But I was 7 then and didn’t know I wanted to be part of it.

This almost made me cry with nostalgia for something I never witnessed.
You just can’t buy that kind of customer service anymore. Thank you
Patrick that was beautiful. And I was here when it happened instead of
reading google groups for the 5,000 complaints people posted about old
Mindvox ‘and this drunk guy called me a idiot and slammed down the
phone when I called customer service. They billed my credit card 5
times this month’

That was really beautiful. I mean that.

‘MindVox: Where the Customer is Always Wrong’

So when do you all plan on opening it? Can’t help but notice it’s all
sitting right there 🙂

.:vector:.

— Jon Freedlander wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Patrick, you aer a great, great man.
>
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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 11:14:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

they each paid (25/3)+1=9.33

From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:11:55 -0700

Randy, bro you have totally lost me here. So what then is the answer
you have in mind?

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:29 -0700 Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>They are using bad math. You have to put the parenthesis in the
>right
>place.
>10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3) as an example….
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
>>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid $8.33
>>for the room.
>>
>>right?
>>
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have a question for you:
>> >
>> > Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
>> > them that room costs
>> > 30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.
>> >
>> > A while later the receptionist remembered that the
>>room
>> > costed only 25$, so
>> > he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
>> > The assistant couldn’t
>> > figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he
>> > returned 1$ to each
>> > of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each
>> > of three friends paid
>> > 9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)
>> >
>> > Where is 1$??
>> >
>> > =)
>> >
>> > Marko
>>
>>
>
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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 11:14:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

they each paid (25/3)+1=9.33

From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:11:55 -0700

Randy, bro you have totally lost me here. So what then is the answer
you have in mind?

Peace out,
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From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] hackernology needed.
Date: April 25, 2003 at 8:46:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

contact ICann, and complain he has invalid WHOIS info

THE REGISTRANT IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS ELECTED TO
HAVE THEIR ADDRESS OMITTED FROM THE WHOIS DATABASE

ICANN policy states they must post this information.

Or contact Nominet, thy will have about 14 days to post
correct contact info, or domain will be seized

mindvoxians >

This is fucking outrageous > some middle class teacher
has put together this
website in england basically “outing” dealers/users of
crack and heroin
through the use of “photographic evidence”.

www.crackcocaineincamden.co.uk

OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
Linux Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 25-Apr-2003
217.146.97.24 Merula

ok mindvox hacker types -whats the most quick and
effective way to fuck this
site up (theoretically speaking).

he’s got loadsa media attention and praise for this
site and the real fear
is that this could be the wave of the future –
“outing”
users on the net for
all to see.

im sure this has been done elsewhere in the world but
this seems new for
england.some user groups have suggested “dialogue” – i
suggest immediate and
total cessation b.a.m.n.

paul.

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] hackernology needed.
Date: April 25, 2003 at 8:32:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

mindvoxians >

This is fucking outrageous > some middle class teacher has put together this website in england basically “outing” dealers/users of crack and heroin through the use of “photographic evidence”.

www.crackcocaineincamden.co.uk

OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
Linux Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 25-Apr-2003 217.146.97.24 Merula

ok mindvox hacker types -whats the most quick and effective way to fuck this site up (theoretically speaking).

he’s got loadsa media attention and praise for this site and the real fear is that this could be the wave of the future – “outing” users on the net for all to see.

im sure this has been done elsewhere in the world but this seems new for england.some user groups have suggested “dialogue” – i suggest immediate and total cessation b.a.m.n.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 7:08:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Curtis,

Randy, bro you have totally lost me here. So what
then is the answer
you have in mind?

That

10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3) as an
example….

was the (or an) answer 10+10+10=30 is
the original payment for the room, 30 bucks.

Then that equals

1+1+1 is the dollar each they get back that is 3
2 more for the kid that is 2

For a total of 5 (1+1+1+2) bucks returned

Now add that to 25/3+25/3+25/3=30 (natural order is /
first)

30=5+25 is the same as

10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3)

The anwer is BAD MATH the above is a correct answer.

Gee, I think I finally might be snapping out of my
drug haze, thanks Marko.

Brett

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:29 -0700 Randy Hencken
<randyhencken@hotmail.com>
wrote:
They are using bad math. You have to put the
parenthesis in the
right
place.
10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3) as an
example….

From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT)

They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid
$8.33
for the room.

right?

Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist
told
them that room costs
30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the
room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that
the
room
costed only 25$, so
he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three
friends.
The assistant couldn’t
figure out how to divide 5$ among three people,
so he
returned 1$ to each
of three friends and he kept 2$. This means
that each
of three friends paid
9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 =
29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: MAPS: Upcoming Conference
Date: April 25, 2003 at 6:28:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Curtis you may be a hippie who says bro too much but I’m LMAO reading
this.

That’d do it too.

That’s it! Now they’re arresting 3l337 hackers with the cure for
addiction! I’m spending 50 million on a ad campaign and hiring 20
lawyers to start off with.

What will they do next? Try to stop me from encrypting my personal
things or stop running a open relay mail server?

Oh, they already did that. I’m suing all of them too. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

— crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:

I’ve thought about this. And I think I have the solution.

At the conference John Gilmore had no interest that I can see in
promoting
any ibogaine studies and is much more of the mindset fuck the
government
let’s start mass growing it in greenhouses. John Gilmore supports all
sorts of drug causes and was the main money behind the EFF starting.
The EFF started because the government was arresting the entire
Legion
of Doom and taking 200 other people with it.

Like Brian corrected me a few months ago the hacker defense fund came
from money from Sun, the Grateful Dead and Lotus 1-2-3.

John Gilmore sues everybody all the time. Right now he is still suing
John Ashcroft because someone had the nerve to ask him for ID to get
on a plane 🙂

For John Gilmore to wake up and start supporting ibogaine, all that
needs
to happen is Patrick has to get himself busted with around a kilo of
ibogaine on him. That’ll get a lot of press coverage and John Gilmore
will wake right up and start suing everybody.

Feeling up to it Patrick? It’s for a good cause bro 🙂

Peace out,
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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 6:11:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, bro you have totally lost me here. So what then is the answer
you have in mind?

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:18:29 -0700 Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
wrote:
They are using bad math. You have to put the parenthesis in the
right
place.
10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3) as an example….

From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT)

They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid $8.33
for the room.

right?

Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
them that room costs
30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that the
room
costed only 25$, so
he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
The assistant couldn’t
figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he
returned 1$ to each
of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each
of three friends paid
9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: MAPS: Upcoming Conference
Date: April 25, 2003 at 6:10:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve thought about this. And I think I have the solution.

At the conference John Gilmore had no interest that I can see in promoting
any ibogaine studies and is much more of the mindset fuck the government
let’s start mass growing it in greenhouses. John Gilmore supports all
sorts of drug causes and was the main money behind the EFF starting.
The EFF started because the government was arresting the entire Legion
of Doom and taking 200 other people with it.

Like Brian corrected me a few months ago the hacker defense fund came
from money from Sun, the Grateful Dead and Lotus 1-2-3.

John Gilmore sues everybody all the time. Right now he is still suing
John Ashcroft because someone had the nerve to ask him for ID to get
on a plane 🙂

For John Gilmore to wake up and start supporting ibogaine, all that needs
to happen is Patrick has to get himself busted with around a kilo of
ibogaine on him. That’ll get a lot of press coverage and John Gilmore
will wake right up and start suing everybody.

Feeling up to it Patrick? It’s for a good cause bro 🙂

Peace out,
Curtis

On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:03:26 -0700 Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
wrote:
Why isn’t there an Ibogaine presenter at this conference? Why not

Patrick, for instance? Why did all of these people (with the
exception of Gilmore) take a pass on our ibo forum, and then fail
to
include Ibogaine in a conference on psychedelics?

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Dana/cnw

Delivered-To: dana@cures-not-wars.org
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:51:16 -0400
From: Brandy Doyle <brandymaps@earthlink.net>
Subject: MAPS: Upcoming Conference
To: dana@cures-not-wars.org
Status:

MAPS would like to draw its members’ attention to the Mind States
IV
conference, where we will have a booth.

The conference, held May 23-25 at the International House in Berkeley,

will
likely be of interest to MAPS members. Invited presenters include
Pablo
Amaringo, Anton Barbeau, Susan Blackmore, Richard Glen Boire, Erik
Davis,
Earth & Fire Erowid, John Gilmore, Alex & Allyson Grey, Stanislav
Grof,
Lorenzo Hagerty, Mark Henson, Martina Hoffmann, Mark McCloud, Ralph
Metzner,
Naaskow, David E. Nichols, Sheldon Norberg, Mark Pesce, Stevee
Postman, V.S.
Ramachandran, Nicholas Sand, Wrye Sententia, Zoe Seven, Ann & Sasha
Shulgin,
R.U. Sirius, Myron Stolaroff, Robert Venosa, and others. There
will be
lectures, art, music, films, theater, a chill space, vendors, and
more.

More information is available at http://www.mindstates.org

Tickets are selling fast for this event, and it is expected to
sell out.
Tickets are $225.00 each until May 15, or $250.00 from May 16th,
from: Mind
States, POB 19820, Sacramento, CA 95819. Credit card payments can
be made
through the web site.

Come join us for what is sure to be an entertaining and educational
event!

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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: April 25, 2003 at 6:05:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good answer 🙂

Peace out and fuck off 😉
Curtis

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:46:10 -0700 Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I really enjoyed this 🙂

Mindvox was always this legend from the dawn of time that I heard
about
and only saw the history of, I regret that I was never on it when
it
opened. But I was 7 then and didn’t know I wanted to be part of
it.

This almost made me cry with nostalgia for something I never witnessed.
You just can’t buy that kind of customer service anymore. Thank
you
Patrick that was beautiful. And I was here when it happened instead
of
reading google groups for the 5,000 complaints people posted about
old
Mindvox ‘and this drunk guy called me a idiot and slammed down the
phone when I called customer service. They billed my credit card
5
times this month’

That was really beautiful. I mean that.

‘MindVox: Where the Customer is Always Wrong’

So when do you all plan on opening it? Can’t help but notice it’s
all
sitting right there 🙂

.:vector:.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: April 25, 2003 at 5:46:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I really enjoyed this 🙂

Mindvox was always this legend from the dawn of time that I heard about
and only saw the history of, I regret that I was never on it when it
opened. But I was 7 then and didn’t know I wanted to be part of it.

This almost made me cry with nostalgia for something I never witnessed.
You just can’t buy that kind of customer service anymore. Thank you
Patrick that was beautiful. And I was here when it happened instead of
reading google groups for the 5,000 complaints people posted about old
Mindvox ‘and this drunk guy called me a idiot and slammed down the
phone when I called customer service. They billed my credit card 5
times this month’

That was really beautiful. I mean that.

‘MindVox: Where the Customer is Always Wrong’

So when do you all plan on opening it? Can’t help but notice it’s all
sitting right there 🙂

.:vector:.

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Patrick, you aer a great, great man.

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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 5:18:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

They are using bad math. You have to put the parenthesis in the right place.
10+10+10=(1+1+1+2)+(25/3)+(25/3)+(25/3) as an example….

From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT)

They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid $8.33
for the room.

right?

>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a question for you:
>
> Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
> them that room costs
> 30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.
>
> A while later the receptionist remembered that the
room
> costed only 25$, so
> he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
> The assistant couldn’t
> figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he
> returned 1$ to each
> of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each
> of three friends paid
> 9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)
>
> Where is 1$??
>
> =)
>
> Marko

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] (OT) Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 5:21:40 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Shouldn’t this be $9.33, not $8.33?
V figured it out, if this is the right answer, ’cause I sure didn’t.
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: AMON
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question

They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid $8.33
for the room.

right?

Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
them that room costs
30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that the
room
costed only 25$, so
he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
The assistant couldn’t
figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he
returned 1$ to each
of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each
of three friends paid
9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 4:53:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ummm, the $2 needs to be subtracted from the $27, not
added to it for a total (cost for the room) of $25.
25+2+3=30 no matter how you slice it, or 30-(2+3)=25.

So, yeah, it is 3*9=27 and minus the 2 bucks in the
pocket is 25 for the room.

but it might work on someone who isn’t from NYC…

Brett

— Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
them that room costs
30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the
room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that the
room costed only 25$, so
he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
The assistant couldn’t
figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so
he returned 1$ to each
of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that
each of three friends paid
9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

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From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 4:37:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

They THINK they only paid 9$. They actually paid $8.33
for the room.

right?

Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told
them that room costs
30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that the
room
costed only 25$, so
he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends.
The assistant couldn’t
figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he
returned 1$ to each
of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each
of three friends paid
9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

From: Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si>
Subject: [ibogaine] question
Date: April 25, 2003 at 4:27:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

I have a question for you:

Three friends checked ino a motel. Receptionist told them that room costs 30$. Each of them paid 10$ and they went to the room.

A while later the receptionist remembered that the room costed only 25$, so he sent his assistant to return 5$ to three friends. The assistant couldn’t figure out how to divide 5$ among three people, so he returned 1$ to each of three friends and he kept 2$. This means that each of three friends paid 9$ (3 x 9 = 27) and assistant kept 2$ (27 + 2 = 29)

Where is 1$??

Marko

From: Jon Freedlander <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: April 24, 2003 at 9:58:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick, you aer a great, great man.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 24, 2003 at 6:27:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What does this mean? Who shouldn’t be getting
ibogaine? Do you mean for
physical reasons?

People with heart disease (for instance) should not
take ibogaine (least in any quantity), neither should
people overly interested in “the other side” (they
sometimes don’t come back…). IMO any serious active
disease process like AIDS (not just HIV), Hep C (not
asymptomatic HCV infection), TB (not just “exposed”),
serious infection…, should not be full-blown detoxed
with ibogaine (IMO). Ibo is some vigorous stuff, it is
very long and arduous, if something is weak enough to
break during the session you don’t want to do it.

There are also ranges of dosages and different use.
Marc’s description of that patient is not
representative of what you are likely to experience
IMO. You will not be detoxing (or do you have to tell
us something???) and need something more on the
“initiatory” dose range (smaller dose). How far/how
much can vary greatly, sometimes even a much smaller
dose can be quite effective though different than
larger doses, Dave posted a 300mg’ish dose a couple
months ago that was more than expected. I also know
someone who did a little 1.75 of Indra lately and was
very surprised. There is a lot of confusion about
ibogaine, dosages, effects, how long to recover, how
it is done… IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU TAKE, OF WHAT
AND FOR WHAT/WHY as well as who you are and how you in
particular react to ibogaine. Vivian and I do smaller
100-150 mg doses, 3 hours later it is life as normal
though I wouldn’t drive a car, there is no “trip” and
you don’t go far. 12mg/kg, both of us come out of it
very quickly, I am up and at em after a day (24
hours), Vivian is fine by the next afternoon though we
keep it low-key for a day or so, that is it. I know
someone who detoxed on a lite addiction on an amount
similar (to 12mg/kg), he refused to heed advice, like
didn’t eat/ate candy/soda (literally) to recover…
and stayed in bed for 4 days. Different people,
different reasons, different procedure and different
experience and recovery period (if any). Also, at a
high dose it typically is going to take longer to
recover from Indra than someone using HCL. My point
was that to try ibo and get some benefit doesn’t have
to be such a big deal. You can do 100-200mg (some
won’t even notice much of anything), sit back (relax
and don’t move much) and notice little, just relaxing
into it, like a deep meditation, maybe a bit more. The
next day there isn’t going to be much to notice,
except maybe the sun is shinier, the sky is bluer, the
air fresher… the thoughts are clear and the heart
more at peace. I mean, isn’t that some of what you are
asking for (so you get less of it… with less ibo)?
You don’t have to get to the earth shaking, near NDE,
out of body, ego crushing, MEGA DOSE ibogaine trip
for days to get there. Double that (3-400mg) and you
are getting into low level vision area but minimal
recovery time if any. Some people get full-blown trips
on this level though recovery will be less and it will
be much shorter. So it is highly variable as to
effects which depend on how you do it, how much, what
kind of ibo, who you are, if you are addicted, to
what, why you take ibogaine… That is one reason for
a test dose (ie 100mg HCL – 1gm of Indra), to judge
your reaction, in fact that IS A TEST DOSE.

THe mistery of ibo is rather simple, it removes the
gunk, patch-job/leaky wiring we had installed, the
bunch of smoke, mirrors and obstacles we placed around
us and in our paths. It removes the ego, the blindfold
and lets you see, do and be who you are. It opens
opportunities, changes the rules, extends the
possibilities and like that. In a way, it is some very
strange stuff but extremely natural, loving,
peaceful… Sometimes your ego/disease or whatever you
call it don’t want it, that is where the battle lies.
To an addict it is “FUCKED UP SHIT” (think holy water
on a vampire), every time I use to do it, though clean
I did it with dread.. We often don’t want to let go of
things, even if consciously we do, that is why I
believe people fear ibo as they do. They will see, no
rose colored glasses, no filters, no blind-fold, they
will see and they will understand from a perspective
that simply does not exist normally (ie including the
other persons perspective). All laid out in front of
you, fucking crystal clear (or is that crystal fucking
clear?) – that is terror and that is one of the
wonders of ibogaine. Do it in a relationship or life’s
stuff and see it “crystal fucking clear”… that is
big stuff, scary stuff, good stuff, healing stuff,
sometimes painful stuff (the battle). The thing is,
once on ibogaine you can look at these things (crystal
fucking clear) and deal with them, understand them,
accept them – or whatever.

Or, if you would rather stay where you are for a bit
longer… that is up to you <ggg>.

I’m not sure what
you mean by “circulation issues.” I’ve not had

With all the damage, the leg/abdominal surgeries, just
askin.

Brett

cancer, but do have some
trouble with scar tissues seemingly interfering with
normal digestion. And
yes, I do take milk thistle, but not as regularly as
I should I imagine.

Again, thanks to all who took time to respond to my
notes. I only wish I
could more eloquently express my gratitude and
clearly explain how helpful
just knowing there are others out there who are
concerned about my well
being is to my mental health. And a special thanks
to Allison for the invite
to share mountain air and lake side with her and her
partner. I am dreaming
of a trip to Canada, (and with Marc’s description of
some sessions, it seems
to me that I don’t really want to do it at home- not
to mention that
legality thing) but due to absolute lack of funding
at the moment, (and not
actually having filled out an application for ITH so
don’t know if I even
qualify yet) itsa gonna have to wait a little while
I think. Until I figure
out what I want and can do, and how I want to do it,
I’m going to have to
maintain here for at least a little while longer.
Hopefully, a number of you will be here in NYC
for the ibogaine
conference.
Peace all,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C,
the sitter, medical
action

Another one from me (Allison). Have just been
reading about people on the
list with health problems, a lot of it bones,
muscles, and operations.
Wayne, my partner has had 2 operations on his spine,
disc fusions and then
after finally starting to recover from them broke
his ankle and it just will
not heal. He seems to think it has a lot to do with
drug use and the lack
of calcium in his bones because of years of morphine
and heroin use plus
years of methadone which has also affected his teeth
and caused rot and
dental problems. Would that be correct or what.
Allison
—– Original Message —–
From: “MARC” <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the
sitter, medical action

Hi Preston,

We have treateed many patients with Hepatitus C
with no adverse affects.
Sandra, our health screener, has an enzyme
threshold that determines the
safety of the procedure, so far we have had no
problems with those we’ve
treated.

Our most recent patient was a very high volume
user of heroin, woman, 29
years old. Her very heavy iboga experience, with
full on two movie screens
under her eyelids (her description) lasted 96
hours. Consider that. 96
hours
of a patient seeming to speak in tongues, her
brains apparently scrambled,
not eating anything and drinking little. Non stop
visualization.

She did not come back to our world here lucidly
until about hour 102 or
so.

So if you want a person with no experience to sit
beside you while you go
for days without eating, drinking, babbling what
appears to be
undecipherable, hallucinating….

You need a person to watch you or monitor you 24
hours a day while you are
‘out there’. They should know what to do if you
fall unconscious, which
has
happened to an older patient (59 years old with
many medical problems). We
took him to the nearby hospital. His electrolyte
level dropped. We learned
from that. Now they get Gatorade throughout the
recovery. He was fine.

The minimum ‘out there’ time is about 20 hours,
averaging about 24 hours,
but is much longer if the patient is very polluted
by drugs and the dosage
I
give is in the high end range. I gave the young
woman cited about 5,000 mg
(5 grams) of Indra Iboga Extract, she weighed only
115 pounds, it was a
very
high dose but she was a very big daily user of
heroin. She was completely
detoxed when she emerged from the experience after
about 101 hours after
administration. That her brains seemed scrambled
even in the fourth day
concerned me but she later had quite an
interesting explanation for it (“I
was resisting the ibogaine so I couldn’t make my
thoughts heard. Once I
gave
in to the iboga, everything was in sync.”) She
had many revelatory
comments
though in the first 8 hours I monitored her, like
‘ I have made so many
bad
decisions in my life…’ and ‘ I keep seeing over
and over trivial parts
of
my life that aren’t important’. The last one makes
me smile. Eliana (who
is
on this list serve) had exactly the same comments
during her intense but
very lucidly narrated visualizations. But later
they take on substantial
meaning in the post-visualization period.

If there is anything else you would like to know
about our experience at
Iboga Therapy House, just ask.

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

—– Original Message —–
From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

For pain , your lifestyle is very important
what you eat what you drink
and how much, if you take care of that first
then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,<

LOL, Sara,
You sound remarkably like my girlfriend, who
is constantly reminding
me
to eat healthier.
Eating for me can also be a problem due to
that aforementioned lack
of
some intestines.
on another topic, Who here has Hep C, and
also tried ibogaine? Can
anyone tell me what the usual course of action
is for that? I spoke to
someone the other day about this who pointed out
that most people who
shoot
drugs have Hep C nowadays, so I imagine there’ve
been cases where
Ibogaine
was given, but I’d like to know for sure, and
what sort of precautions
need
to be taken in these cases, if any.
Also, what’s the role of a sitter during an
ibogaine session? (btw,
watching that Staten Island Project tape, it
appeared to me that it
woulda
been slightly irritating for that guy Marc to be
questioned every half
hour/hour during his experience, and possibly
detrimental to the purpose
of
the taking of ibogaine to begin with, what with
the constant distration
of
the off-camera questioner) Is ibogaine so
dangerous as to absolutely
necessitate pro-medical watching, or can it
simply be a loved one who
does
the sitting? I know there’s a difference of
opinion on this one, with
some
saying it shouldn’t ever be done in a private
home-like setting, and
others
saying that it doesn’t matter so long as someone
or other is there.
Thanks
for any thoughts anyone might want to
voice/write.
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: sara
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:15 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com
today

Hi preston ,

If you believe that Alternative remedies works
,you can get your
system working without stopping your pain
medication at first ,
You take dilaudid only if you canīt stand the
pain and not as preventive

For pain , your lifestyle is very important what
you eat what you drink
and how much, if you take care of that first
then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,

Be well ,

Sara

—–Original Message—–
From: preston peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: dinsdag 22 april 2003 13:02
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

HI all,
You all wanna know what REALLY sucks? Lviing
with half my
intestines, a
rod from my hip to my knee from a shattered
femur, unending psiatic
(sp?)
nerve troubles, serious back and abdominal pain,
and getting the very
minimal prescription from my doctor for dilaudid
for that pain, that
never
ending pain that had me very seriously
visualizing leaping off my
fucking
roof day from the pain day before yesterday
because I’m out of
medication,
and am finding that I’m too fucking scared to
talk to my doctor about
increasing my dose (though I’m sitting here
working up the nerve to do
just
that at 9AM today), as I’ve finished the almost
utterly useless 2
milligram
dilaudid twice a day she’s prescribed me, and
for for that matter,
asking
her about refilling my prescrption 10 day early.
I can’t fucking believe
that I have to be worried about talking to my
doctor about getting
adequet
pain relief, (in NY, where by law patients are
entitled to adequet pain
relief) simply because I was honest with my
doctor about my fucking
junky
past, which is leeving me with her saying last
time I asked for her to
increase my dose, “oh I’m uncomfortable doing
that Preston.” Fuck that,
if
she’s uncomfortable doing that, imagine how
uncomfortable I am trying to
live with never ending, debilitating depressing
pain and not being able
to
afford to change doctors, like going to a pain
specialist as someone on
the
ibogaine list suggested to me a few days ago, as
I’m thousands and
thousands
and even more thousands of dollars in debts of
other medical bills, like
rebuilding my freakin mouth.
I’m severely depressed and ill and not sure
what the fuck to do. I
do
NOT want to revert to finding street drugs to
suppliment my script, and
I
SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DAMNIT, were it not for
FUCKING prohibition.
Anyway, once again I’m using these two lists
to vent my fears,
frustrations and tears.
Peace all and please wish me luck calling my
doctor this morning,
PLEASE,
think good strong thoughts and wishes for me
this morning. I’ve got
another
2 hours before she MIGHT be in the office and I
want to cut my body to
pieces I’m so sick of this unending fucking
pain.
AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Preston

sorry, here’s those aforementioned links, found
at
http://www.drugwar.com in
the left bar.

Calif. Locale to Sue Feds Over Medical Marijuana
(April 22, 2003)
“A California county and its major city plan to
sue the federal
government
on Wednesday to allow the use of medical
marijuana in a lawsuit they
said
will mark the first legal challenge over the
issue brought by a local
government.”

Medical marijuana user speaks about treatment
(April 22, 2003)
“A day following April 20, or 4-20, a number
associated with marijuana
use,
George McMahon spoke on campus about his
involvement with medical
marijuana.”

Federal marijuana too potent to use (April 22,
2003)
“Health Canada’s medical tests delayed again;
first crop inconsistent,
second crop may be abandoned as too strong, too
hard to grow.”

Hundreds Rally In Boulder For Legalization Of
Marijuana (April 22, 2003)
“A crowd estimated by police at 800 gathered at
Farrand Field at the
University of Colorado on Sunday to support the
legalization of
marijuana,
and smoke a little weed.”

Planned marijuana demonstration forces closure
of Albuquerque park
(April
22, 2003)
“Officers closed Roosevelt Park Sunday. In past
years, the park has
drawn
hundreds of people each April 20th to celebrate
marijuana use.”

Marijuana for MS (April 22, 2003)
“Researchers from the Institute of Neurology in
London are now
experimenting
with marijuana to treat the symptoms of multiple
sclerosis.”

Drug gangs take poppy growing to US doorstep
(April 22, 2003)
“Mexico’s Pacific coast has become the new
front-line in the US war
against
hard drugs after farmers switched from marijuana
to a deadly new
product:
high-grade opium poppies.”

Poppies replace marijuana in Mexican hills
(April 22, 2003)
“Marijuana has long been the main illegal crop
on Mexico’s Pacific
coast,
but now growers are switching to a more deadly
and profitable product:
high-grade opium poppies used to make heroin.”

New Haven Police Lieutenant Faces Charges in
Marijuana Case (April 22,
2003-
Free NYTimes registration required)
“A New Haven police lieutenant was arrested
yesterday after officers
executing a search warrant found a pound and a
half of marijuana in the
apartment she shared with her boyfriend, the
authorities said.”

House Speaker Signals Opposition to
Medical-Marijuana Bill (April 22,
2003)
Heartless US politicos oppose having hearts and
compassion, prefering to
promote their tough law and order stance, to the
detriment of patients
in
dire need of the help medical marijuana gives
them.

Topsy-turvy times for pot advocates Medical use
has wide support, but
government cracking down (April 22, 2003)
“While most Americans say they support medical
marijuana, the federal
government has won several high-profile criminal
cases against cannabis
clubs and pot growers in the past year.”

U.S. Links Illegal Drug Production,
Environmental Damage (April 22,
2003)
US prohibitionists utilizing crap reasoning to
continue justifying their
evil war on some drugs and users.

Anisq’ Oyo’ Park Goes Up in Smoke (April 22,
2003)
“Music from several bands and the words of
pro-hemp activists mingled
with
swirling wisps of marijuana smoke in the air
above Anisq’ Oyo’ Park on
Easter Sunday.”

Marijuana ads prove unnecessary and a waste of
American tax dollars
(April
22, 2003)
“Instead of using the billions of taxpayer
dollars to give facts about
marijuana effects and abuse, they decided to go
back to the government’s
‘reefer madness’ approach of the 1930s. However,
their approach is
failing.”

Getting High for Science (April 22, 2003)
“So, even as the Feds spend $20 billion a year
on the drug war,
scientists
in the US and abroad have begun studying the
potential benefits of X,
marijuana, and psychedelic mushrooms. Here’s a
look at the whys behind
the
highs.”

Candidate For Cannabis (April 22, 2003)
“To be honest, not many showed up in support of
the pro-marijuana rally
on
the Texas Tech campus. But Dr. Chip Peterson
did. Peterson is the
Libertarian candidate for congress in the
special election to replace
Larry
Combest. And while Peterson does not recommend
marijuana use, he also
doesn’t condone the current ban.”

Tattered but triumphant (April 22, 2003)
“The authorities wanted it. The bookstore owner
concealed it…Exactly
what
book did suspected methamphetamine maker Chris
Montoya buy from her
bookstore to create all the fuss? A book on
Japanese calligraphy, of
course.” Yet another example of a completely
useless watste of US
taxpayer
money on the part of intrusive, un-American feds
working overtime to
overturn our Constitutionally protected rights.

Why did 420 come to mean that? (April 20, 2003)
“True story? Well, it’s at least the most
elaborate..: According to
Steven
Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420
originated at San Rafael High
School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen
pot-smoking wiseacres
who
called themselves the Waldos.”

What time is it? It’s 4:20! (April 20, 2003)
What are stoners talking about using this
phrase?

4/20 an underground marijuana holiday (April 20,
2003)
“Internationally, it’s become known as the
‘universal smoke day,’ and
even
the occasional weed smoker will light up to
commemorate its underground
culture.”

HUD’s Financial Woes Continue (April 20, 2003)
“In 1999 the Department of Housing and Urban
Development (HUD) was
unable to
account for $59 billion and, at the time, placed
much of the blame on
the
federal agency’s financial-management computer
systems. Four years
later,
despite hundreds of millions of dollars being
paid to federal
contractors to
fix the problem, HUD still cannot rely on these
systems to account for
its
funds.”

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] 41.3 KILOS OF LSD SEIZED.
Date: April 24, 2003 at 5:08:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

CAN YOU PASS THE ACID TEST ?

PICKARD AND APPERSON CONVICTED OF LSD CHARGES
LARGEST LSD LAB SEIZURE IN DEA HISTORY

Special Agent in Charge Stephen Delgado, Drug Enforcement Administration, San Francisco Field Division, and United States Attorney Eric Melgren, District of Kansas, announced today that Bay Area residents William Leonard Pickard, 57, Mill Valley, California, and Clyde Apperson, 47, Sunnyvale, California, were found guilty today, following an eleven week jury trail of one count of conspiracy to manufacture and distribute more than 10 grams of LSD from August 1999 through November 2000 and one count of possession with the intent to distribute more than 10 grams of LSD on November 6, 2000.

Melgren stated that according to court testimony, this was the largest LSD lab seizure ever made by the Drug Enforcement Administration. DEA agents seized approximately 41.3 kilograms (90.86 pounds) of LSD, approximately 23.6 kilograms (51.92 pounds) of iso-LSD, a by-product from the manufacture of LSD.

Further trial evidence established that in the history of DEA there have only been four seizures of complete LSD labs and three of these seizures involved Packard and Apperson including a lab in Mountain View, California in 1998, a lab in Oregon in 1996, and this lab in Wamego, Kansas

According to court testimony, on October 31, 2000, DEA agents conducted a search of a silo site near Wamego, Kansas, and found a LSD lab packed in storage boxes. On November 6, 2000, Pickard and Apperson were moving the illegal lab when they were stopped by the Kansas Highway Patrol. Apperson was arrested driving the rental truck containing the lab. Pickard, who was driving a Buick LeSabre, fled on foot and was arrested the next day at a farm outside Wamego. Fourteen canisters of a chemical required to produce LSD valued at over $1,000,000 were found at the missile silo. According to court testimony, Pickard and Apperson previously manufactured LSD in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where every five weeks the lab produced about 2.2 pounds of LSD, approximately 10 million doses that cost less than one cent a dose to produce and would sell for as much as $10 a dose. According to court testimony, the LSD was shipped to California and later to Europe for distribution.

Pickard and Apperson each face a minimum of ten years and a maximum of life in federal prison without parole. Sentencing is scheduled for August 8, 2003 at 9:00 a. m. in Kansas. Pickard remains in federal custody and Apperson was remanded to federal custody today.

The DEA San Francisco office initiated this case and provided crucial assistance throughout the trial. SAC Delgado stated: “The investigators in this case displayed extraordinary tenacity and dedicated long hours away
from home and their families. LSD, like all illegal drugs, are a threat to
our children and our communities in the San Francisco Bay Area. The San Francisco office will continue its relentless efforts to protect the Nation
from the dangers posed by drug traffickers.”

United States Attorney Eric Melgren stated: “This is just one example of the fine work of the Drug Enforcement Administration, in cooperation with other law enforcement agencies, in the continuing fight against illegal drugs. We are pleased to have led the effort to protect our citizens against the dangers of LSD by this significant disruption in the nationwide supply of this drug.

SAC Delgado wishes to publicly thank United States Attorney Eric Melgren for his leadership in the prosecution of this case and all the local law enforcement agencies that helped us bring this case to today’s conclusion.

For additional information, please contact Special Agent Richard Meyer at the DEA San Francisco Division at 415-436-7994.

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From: “booker w” <swbooker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Opiates and Dreams
Date: April 24, 2003 at 4:41:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Allison. I’ve been taking some low doses of codeine due to practically constant headaches lately and I record my dreams almost nightly. Since I started back on the codeine my dreams have definitely seemed to turn a little darker, but maybe that’s partly because I sort of feel like I’m relapsing. Don’t have the answer to that just yet, but another weird thing that used to happen to me when I took morphine or strong doses of any opiates, that I’ve always been curious about, is – right as I would sink into the “high” I would feel like there were a whole bunch of “beings” around me and it would definitely feel dark and damp in that space. I know it sounds nuts but I often had the feeling that folks that’d died who were opiate addicts were hanging out around me to get some sort of “contact high.” The feeling would only last a bit, and then it was like I travelled past it… I talked a few years ago to a fellow who said he had that same feeling, but no one else has ever mentioned it. Just wondering if anyone around here had ever had that impression.
I definitely had dreams when getting high, but like I said, it seems like there was very often a dark cast to things.
Best wishes to all, Sandy

>From: “Allison Senepart”

>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action

>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:32:20 +1200

>Question for Marc and anyone else out there. When we use morphine and

>Heroin we don’t dream, or I don’t think we do. When we stop and come off we

>start dreaming at night again. I’ve noticed that at first the dreams are

>scary and we often wake up calling out. After a few months we dream lots

>and lots and often wake up laughing and talking in our sleep. Both myself

>and my partner Wayne have picked up on that. Is that a normal progression

>to coming off opoids or what. Does anyone know or have similar experiences.

>..I would like to hear from anyone else who has an experience or opinion or

>explanation. Thanks Allison

>—– Original Message —–

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] doctor, doctor : i need medical attention………
Date: April 24, 2003 at 3:36:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 06:05:09PM -0700], [crownofthorns@hushmail.com] wrote:

| I think the reason they end up here is because if you do a search for
| heroin on any search engine, you land on heroin times in the top 10 hits
| because they have every issue online. Then in every issue for something
| like 2 years are Patrick’s columns, then he had some fight about what
| he was getting paid and stopped writing for them but they keep reprinting
| his articles in every issue that comes and they keep reprinting Howard.

Do0d. While I strongly believe that facts only get in the way of things.
Just to interject a comment here… This is NOT true. I don’t have any
problems with Jerry, he’s a nice guy. Heroin Times is not necessarily
what I would put together, but then, it’s not my magazine.

You hang out with Francis, so some of his opinions regarding HT may have
worn off upon you. Heroin Helper *IS* a much better publication, but my
actual issue, was very simple: I’m out of time.

I have 1001 things to finish right now. I do not have the time to respond
to the email it generates. Which all falls into one of three categories:

[01]: Gosh you’re neat, allow me to continue for 20 paragraphs. (i.e., I
am lonely, bored and crazy. I want to chat.)

[02]: You’re an asshole and I hate you. You need to go to a meeting and
share. (i.e., I am lonely, bored and crazy. I want to chat.)

[03]: Here is my list of 300 questions about ibogaine. Please answer all
of them. Can you get me some!?!?!?!?

Uhm… I’m done now.

laters,

Patrick

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: April 24, 2003 at 3:27:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:25:05AM +0300], [Byron] wrote:

Hey dude,

Usually I post, just, like, as myself ya know…? Emitting my thoughts
and words and things. But allow me to Officially Represent the Whole
Entire MindVox(TM)(SM(R)(Patent Pending)

| SO HOW DO WE GET THE FUCK OFF THIS LIST, DOES IT COME DOWN TO REPORTING
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Dear sir,

It’s unfortunate that you’re a complete fucking idiot. Sadly, it really
isn’t our problem. Please feel free to contact ICANN, our DNS, our uplink
provider, your grandmother, the police, and everybody on the whole entire
planet in general.

Sadly, you will find that nobody really gives a shit (with the possible
exception of your grandmother). It is not our job to play secretary for
individuals who take it upon themselves to sign up to a list — which
requires validation to an auto-reply FROM the address you are signing up
with — and are too fucking stupid to READ the instructions that are
cleverly hidden in <drum roll> that very message.

In conclusion, on behalf of management: please feel free to fuck off and
die. I meant to say, I hope you find the help you need. God bless you my
child.

Patrick Kroupa

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To: byron@unseenhand.net

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From: “paul jackamo” <pauljackamo@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE? – BYRON.
Date: April 24, 2003 at 3:14:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Whoops > some people dont take kindly to moments of levity.(see below)
thats my fragile self-esteem shot through – where did i put those works 😉

Sorry if i offended you Byron – i hope bretts post on how to unsubscribe was helpful.

I would however suggest that you put ibogaine@mindvox on your spam filter – as an immediate temporary measure -that way at least you dont have to read any mail and your reasons for unsubscribing should cease.

“The reason was that I would receive a million mails that say nothing.”

please dont call the internet police mister, patricks a good boy really.

mindvox -deadlier than s.a.r.s.

paulx

FYI > i have a degree in philosophy – which could be well construed as idiocity.

From: “Byron” <Byron@unseenhand.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:25:05 +0300

Paul Jackamo very funny, wow you must be a graduate, in fucking
idiocity,,,,,
If you have no input as to help people here then fuck off.

I would like to know the same answer,,, I would like off this list and
hate the mail. I have been signed up to this mail group by somebody else
as a joke,
The reason was that I would receive a million mails that say nothing.

SO HOW DO WE GET THE FUCK OFF THIS LIST, DOES IT COME DOWN TO REPORTING
YOUR GROUP TO ICANN OR THE DNS THAT HELPS PROVIDE THIS.? OR IS IT A
COMBINATION OF THE TWO?

—–Original Message—–
From: paul jackamo [mailto:pauljackamo@hotmail.com]
Sent: 23 April 2003 21:38
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?

YOU DONT > THIS IS FOR ALL ETERNITY

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>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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>Subject: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:18:10 -0700
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From: Hattie <epoptica@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine in New Zealand
Date: April 24, 2003 at 1:20:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

on 4/30/03 12:20 PM, Allison Senepart at aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz wrote:

Thanks

Hattie

Take care,
Robin

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Skupien
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:10 PM
To: Ibogaine mailing list
Subject: [ibogaine] Take home mmethadone.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?
Date: April 24, 2003 at 9:52:54 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Byron,

“> SO HOW DO WE GET THE FUCK OFF THIS LIST, DOES IT
COME DOWN TO REPORTING
YOUR GROUP TO ICANN OR THE DNS THAT HELPS PROVIDE”

It requires reading the mail header where it says
“List-Unsubscribe:
<mailto:ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com> “, parse the
email address (ibogaine-unsubscribe@ibogaine.com) out
and send it a (blank) email from the address you want
to unsubscribe from.

“have been signed up to this mail group by somebody
else as a joke,”

Maybe someone is trying to tell you sumthin…

Luck
Brett

For additional info;

— Byron <Byron@unseenhand.net> wrote:
I would like to know the same answer,,, I would like
off this list and
hate the mail. I have been signed up to this mail
group by somebody else
as a joke,
The reason was that I would receive a million mails
that say nothing.

SO HOW DO WE GET THE FUCK OFF THIS LIST, DOES IT
COME DOWN TO REPORTING
YOUR GROUP TO ICANN OR THE DNS THAT HELPS PROVIDE
THIS.? OR IS IT A
COMBINATION OF THE TWO?

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Sent: 23 April 2003 21:18
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] how do I UN-SUBSCRIBE?

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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 24, 2003 at 9:49:44 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No probs Preston. Keep the invite in mind if you can get your fare etc
together and want to do it. We live in the Lake Wanaka Area in the South
Island of New Zealand. You could probably find something on the internet
cos its a tourist sort of place except we live out of town, thank God. Good
luck and I did mean what I said if you & your girlfriend ever want to take
us up on that offer. Allison
—– Original Message —–
From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical
action

Allison wrote >He seems to think it has a lot to do with drug use and the
lack
of calcium in his bones because of years of morphine and heroin use plus
years of methadone which has also affected his teeth and caused rot and
dental problems. Would that be correct or what. <

Just speaking from personal experience, my teeth were fine until I
began
methadone – then many of them seemed to all surrender at once. Don’t know
if
the two are related, but I’ve heard this before, that there is a
connection,
and I think we’ve discussed it here in the past but can’t remember what
was
decided.
To everyone who took the time to respond to my questions and
frustrations, thanks very, very much. Marc, Howard, Allison, Brett, Bill,
Sara, Marcus, Patrick, and anyone else who I may have missed in this thank
you, you all disprove the notion that druggies and drug law reformers are
somehow less human than non-druggies. If anything, this latest exchange
has
only cemented it for me, that people who tend to support reforming drug
laws
and honestly address drug use/abuse from a harm reduction perspective are
really much nicer people than the average cog types. I honestly believe
the
Earth is a better place than it would have been without you all here, and
that my life is that much richer for having the chance to exchange points
of
view and know you all in some way or other.

Brett wrote >ruling out those who shouldn’t
be getting ibogaine in the first place and following
procedures will do far more.<

What does this mean? Who shouldn’t be getting ibogaine? Do you mean for
physical reasons?

Brett also wrote >As for
your intestines, I don’t know of anything that would
contraindicate it from what you said. What is the
damage? Any circulation issues? I believe you had that
for cancer, Marc has it listed as a contra-indication
on his site but you would have to ask him why/where he
got that from<

I got about 9 feet of small intestine removed, and I’m not sure how much
of
my large intestines removed after a car accident as a teenager. “Half my
intestines” is sort of an exaggeration, but only slightly. I’m not sure
what
you mean by “circulation issues.” I’ve not had cancer, but do have some
trouble with scar tissues seemingly interfering with normal digestion. And
yes, I do take milk thistle, but not as regularly as I should I imagine.

Again, thanks to all who took time to respond to my notes. I only wish I
could more eloquently express my gratitude and clearly explain how helpful
just knowing there are others out there who are concerned about my well
being is to my mental health. And a special thanks to Allison for the
invite
to share mountain air and lake side with her and her partner. I am
dreaming
of a trip to Canada, (and with Marc’s description of some sessions, it
seems
to me that I don’t really want to do it at home- not to mention that
legality thing) but due to absolute lack of funding at the moment, (and
not
actually having filled out an application for ITH so don’t know if I even
qualify yet) itsa gonna have to wait a little while I think. Until I
figure
out what I want and can do, and how I want to do it, I’m going to have to
maintain here for at least a little while longer.
Hopefully, a number of you will be here in NYC for the ibogaine
conference.
Peace all,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical
action

Another one from me (Allison). Have just been reading about people on the
list with health problems, a lot of it bones, muscles, and operations.
Wayne, my partner has had 2 operations on his spine, disc fusions and then
after finally starting to recover from them broke his ankle and it just
will
not heal. He seems to think it has a lot to do with drug use and the lack
of calcium in his bones because of years of morphine and heroin use plus
years of methadone which has also affected his teeth and caused rot and
dental problems. Would that be correct or what. Allison
—– Original Message —–
From: “MARC” <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action

Hi Preston,

We have treateed many patients with Hepatitus C with no adverse affects.
Sandra, our health screener, has an enzyme threshold that determines the
safety of the procedure, so far we have had no problems with those we’ve
treated.

Our most recent patient was a very high volume user of heroin, woman, 29
years old. Her very heavy iboga experience, with full on two movie
screens
under her eyelids (her description) lasted 96 hours. Consider that. 96
hours
of a patient seeming to speak in tongues, her brains apparently
scrambled,
not eating anything and drinking little. Non stop visualization.

She did not come back to our world here lucidly until about hour 102 or
so.

So if you want a person with no experience to sit beside you while you
go
for days without eating, drinking, babbling what appears to be
undecipherable, hallucinating….

You need a person to watch you or monitor you 24 hours a day while you
are
‘out there’. They should know what to do if you fall unconscious, which
has
happened to an older patient (59 years old with many medical problems).
We
took him to the nearby hospital. His electrolyte level dropped. We
learned
from that. Now they get Gatorade throughout the recovery. He was fine.

The minimum ‘out there’ time is about 20 hours, averaging about 24
hours,
but is much longer if the patient is very polluted by drugs and the
dosage
I
give is in the high end range. I gave the young woman cited about 5,000
mg
(5 grams) of Indra Iboga Extract, she weighed only 115 pounds, it was a
very
high dose but she was a very big daily user of heroin. She was
completely
detoxed when she emerged from the experience after about 101 hours after
administration. That her brains seemed scrambled even in the fourth day
concerned me but she later had quite an interesting explanation for it
(“I
was resisting the ibogaine so I couldn’t make my thoughts heard. Once I
gave
in to the iboga, everything was in sync.”) She had many revelatory
comments
though in the first 8 hours I monitored her, like ‘ I have made so many
bad
decisions in my life…’ and ‘ I keep seeing over and over trivial parts
of
my life that aren’t important’. The last one makes me smile. Eliana (who
is
on this list serve) had exactly the same comments during her intense but
very lucidly narrated visualizations. But later they take on substantial
meaning in the post-visualization period.

If there is anything else you would like to know about our experience at
Iboga Therapy House, just ask.

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

—– Original Message —–
From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

For pain , your lifestyle is very important what you eat what you
drink
and how much, if you take care of that first then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,<

LOL, Sara,
You sound remarkably like my girlfriend, who is constantly
reminding
me
to eat healthier.
Eating for me can also be a problem due to that aforementioned
lack
of
some intestines.
on another topic, Who here has Hep C, and also tried ibogaine? Can
anyone tell me what the usual course of action is for that? I spoke to
someone the other day about this who pointed out that most people who
shoot
drugs have Hep C nowadays, so I imagine there’ve been cases where
Ibogaine
was given, but I’d like to know for sure, and what sort of precautions
need
to be taken in these cases, if any.
Also, what’s the role of a sitter during an ibogaine session?
(btw,
watching that Staten Island Project tape, it appeared to me that it
woulda
been slightly irritating for that guy Marc to be questioned every half
hour/hour during his experience, and possibly detrimental to the
purpose
of
the taking of ibogaine to begin with, what with the constant
distration
of
the off-camera questioner) Is ibogaine so dangerous as to absolutely
necessitate pro-medical watching, or can it simply be a loved one who
does
the sitting? I know there’s a difference of opinion on this one, with
some
saying it shouldn’t ever be done in a private home-like setting, and
others
saying that it doesn’t matter so long as someone or other is there.
Thanks
for any thoughts anyone might want to voice/write.
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: sara
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:15 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

Hi preston ,

If you believe that Alternative remedies works ,you can get your
system working without stopping your pain medication at first ,
You take dilaudid only if you can´t stand the pain and not as
preventive

For pain , your lifestyle is very important what you eat what you
drink
and how much, if you take care of that first then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,

Be well ,

Sara

HI all,
You all wanna know what REALLY sucks? Lviing with half my
intestines, a
rod from my hip to my knee from a shattered femur, unending psiatic
(sp?)
nerve troubles, serious back and abdominal pain, and getting the very
minimal prescription from my doctor for dilaudid for that pain, that
never
ending pain that had me very seriously visualizing leaping off my
fucking
roof day from the pain day before yesterday because I’m out of
medication,
and am finding that I’m too fucking scared to talk to my doctor about
increasing my dose (though I’m sitting here working up the nerve to do
just
that at 9AM today), as I’ve finished the almost utterly useless 2
milligram
dilaudid twice a day she’s prescribed me, and for for that matter,
asking
her about refilling my prescrption 10 day early. I can’t fucking
believe
that I have to be worried about talking to my doctor about getting
adequet
pain relief, (in NY, where by law patients are entitled to adequet
pain
relief) simply because I was honest with my doctor about my fucking
junky
past, which is leeving me with her saying last time I asked for her to
increase my dose, “oh I’m uncomfortable doing that Preston.” Fuck
that,
if
she’s uncomfortable doing that, imagine how uncomfortable I am trying
to
live with never ending, debilitating depressing pain and not being
able
to
afford to change doctors, like going to a pain specialist as someone
on
the
ibogaine list suggested to me a few days ago, as I’m thousands and
thousands
and even more thousands of dollars in debts of other medical bills,
like
rebuilding my freakin mouth.
I’m severely depressed and ill and not sure what the fuck to do. I
do
NOT want to revert to finding street drugs to suppliment my script,
and
I
SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DAMNIT, were it not for FUCKING prohibition.
Anyway, once again I’m using these two lists to vent my fears,
frustrations and tears.
Peace all and please wish me luck calling my doctor this morning,
PLEASE,
think good strong thoughts and wishes for me this morning. I’ve got
another
2 hours before she MIGHT be in the office and I want to cut my body to
pieces I’m so sick of this unending fucking pain.
AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Preston

sorry, here’s those aforementioned links, found at
http://www.drugwar.com in
the left bar.

Calif. Locale to Sue Feds Over Medical Marijuana (April 22, 2003)
“A California county and its major city plan to sue the federal
government
on Wednesday to allow the use of medical marijuana in a lawsuit they
said
will mark the first legal challenge over the issue brought by a local
government.”

Medical marijuana user speaks about treatment (April 22, 2003)
“A day following April 20, or 4-20, a number associated with marijuana
use,
George McMahon spoke on campus about his involvement with medical
marijuana.”

Federal marijuana too potent to use (April 22, 2003)
“Health Canada’s medical tests delayed again; first crop inconsistent,
second crop may be abandoned as too strong, too hard to grow.”

Hundreds Rally In Boulder For Legalization Of Marijuana (April 22,
2003)
“A crowd estimated by police at 800 gathered at Farrand Field at the
University of Colorado on Sunday to support the legalization of
marijuana,
and smoke a little weed.”

Planned marijuana demonstration forces closure of Albuquerque park
(April
22, 2003)
“Officers closed Roosevelt Park Sunday. In past years, the park has
drawn
hundreds of people each April 20th to celebrate marijuana use.”

Marijuana for MS (April 22, 2003)
“Researchers from the Institute of Neurology in London are now
experimenting
with marijuana to treat the symptoms of multiple sclerosis.”

Drug gangs take poppy growing to US doorstep (April 22, 2003)
“Mexico’s Pacific coast has become the new front-line in the US war
against
hard drugs after farmers switched from marijuana to a deadly new
product:
high-grade opium poppies.”

Poppies replace marijuana in Mexican hills (April 22, 2003)
“Marijuana has long been the main illegal crop on Mexico’s Pacific
coast,
but now growers are switching to a more deadly and profitable product:
high-grade opium poppies used to make heroin.”

New Haven Police Lieutenant Faces Charges in Marijuana Case (April 22,
2003-
Free NYTimes registration required)
“A New Haven police lieutenant was arrested yesterday after officers
executing a search warrant found a pound and a half of marijuana in
the
apartment she shared with her boyfriend, the authorities said.”

House Speaker Signals Opposition to Medical-Marijuana Bill (April 22,
2003)
Heartless US politicos oppose having hearts and compassion, prefering
to
promote their tough law and order stance, to the detriment of patients
in
dire need of the help medical marijuana gives them.

Topsy-turvy times for pot advocates Medical use has wide support, but
government cracking down (April 22, 2003)
“While most Americans say they support medical marijuana, the federal
government has won several high-profile criminal cases against
cannabis
clubs and pot growers in the past year.”

U.S. Links Illegal Drug Production, Environmental Damage (April 22,
2003)
US prohibitionists utilizing crap reasoning to continue justifying
their
evil war on some drugs and users.

Anisq’ Oyo’ Park Goes Up in Smoke (April 22, 2003)
“Music from several bands and the words of pro-hemp activists mingled
with
swirling wisps of marijuana smoke in the air above Anisq’ Oyo’ Park on
Easter Sunday.”

Marijuana ads prove unnecessary and a waste of American tax dollars
(April
22, 2003)
“Instead of using the billions of taxpayer dollars to give facts about
marijuana effects and abuse, they decided to go back to the
government’s
‘reefer madness’ approach of the 1930s. However, their approach is
failing.”

Getting High for Science (April 22, 2003)
“So, even as the Feds spend $20 billion a year on the drug war,
scientists
in the US and abroad have begun studying the potential benefits of X,
marijuana, and psychedelic mushrooms. Here’s a look at the whys behind
the
highs.”

Candidate For Cannabis (April 22, 2003)
“To be honest, not many showed up in support of the pro-marijuana
rally
on
the Texas Tech campus. But Dr. Chip Peterson did. Peterson is the
Libertarian candidate for congress in the special election to replace
Larry
Combest. And while Peterson does not recommend marijuana use, he also
doesn’t condone the current ban.”

Tattered but triumphant (April 22, 2003)
“The authorities wanted it. The bookstore owner concealed it…Exactly
what
book did suspected methamphetamine maker Chris Montoya buy from her
bookstore to create all the fuss? A book on Japanese calligraphy, of
course.” Yet another example of a completely useless watste of US
taxpayer
money on the part of intrusive, un-American feds working overtime to
overturn our Constitutionally protected rights.

Why did 420 come to mean that? (April 20, 2003)
“True story? Well, it’s at least the most elaborate..: According to
Steven
Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420 originated at San Rafael
High
School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres
who
called themselves the Waldos.”

What time is it? It’s 4:20! (April 20, 2003)
What are stoners talking about using this phrase?

4/20 an underground marijuana holiday (April 20, 2003)
“Internationally, it’s become known as the ‘universal smoke day,’ and
even
the occasional weed smoker will light up to commemorate its
underground
culture.”

HUD’s Financial Woes Continue (April 20, 2003)
“In 1999 the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) was
unable to
account for $59 billion and, at the time, placed much of the blame on
the
federal agency’s financial-management computer systems. Four years
later,
despite hundreds of millions of dollars being paid to federal
contractors to
fix the problem, HUD still cannot rely on these systems to account for
its
funds.”

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 24, 2003 at 9:32:29 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just speaking from personal experience, my teeth were fine until I began
methadone – then many of them seemed to all surrender at once. Don’t know if
the two are related, but I’ve heard this before, that there is a connection,
and I think we’ve discussed it here in the past but can’t remember what was
decided.
To everyone who took the time to respond to my questions and
frustrations, thanks very, very much. Marc, Howard, Allison, Brett, Bill,
Sara, Marcus, Patrick, and anyone else who I may have missed in this thank
you, you all disprove the notion that druggies and drug law reformers are
somehow less human than non-druggies. If anything, this latest exchange has
only cemented it for me, that people who tend to support reforming drug laws
and honestly address drug use/abuse from a harm reduction perspective are
really much nicer people than the average cog types. I honestly believe the
Earth is a better place than it would have been without you all here, and
that my life is that much richer for having the chance to exchange points of
view and know you all in some way or other.

Brett wrote >ruling out those who shouldn’t
be getting ibogaine in the first place and following
procedures will do far more.<

What does this mean? Who shouldn’t be getting ibogaine? Do you mean for
physical reasons?

I got about 9 feet of small intestine removed, and I’m not sure how much of
my large intestines removed after a car accident as a teenager. “Half my
intestines” is sort of an exaggeration, but only slightly. I’m not sure what
you mean by “circulation issues.” I’ve not had cancer, but do have some
trouble with scar tissues seemingly interfering with normal digestion. And
yes, I do take milk thistle, but not as regularly as I should I imagine.

Again, thanks to all who took time to respond to my notes. I only wish I
could more eloquently express my gratitude and clearly explain how helpful
just knowing there are others out there who are concerned about my well
being is to my mental health. And a special thanks to Allison for the invite
to share mountain air and lake side with her and her partner. I am dreaming
of a trip to Canada, (and with Marc’s description of some sessions, it seems
to me that I don’t really want to do it at home- not to mention that
legality thing) but due to absolute lack of funding at the moment, (and not
actually having filled out an application for ITH so don’t know if I even
qualify yet) itsa gonna have to wait a little while I think. Until I figure
out what I want and can do, and how I want to do it, I’m going to have to
maintain here for at least a little while longer.
Hopefully, a number of you will be here in NYC for the ibogaine
conference.
Peace all,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical
action

Another one from me (Allison). Have just been reading about people on the
list with health problems, a lot of it bones, muscles, and operations.
Wayne, my partner has had 2 operations on his spine, disc fusions and then
after finally starting to recover from them broke his ankle and it just will
not heal. He seems to think it has a lot to do with drug use and the lack
of calcium in his bones because of years of morphine and heroin use plus
years of methadone which has also affected his teeth and caused rot and
dental problems. Would that be correct or what. Allison
—– Original Message —–
From: “MARC” <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action

Hi Preston,

We have treateed many patients with Hepatitus C with no adverse affects.
Sandra, our health screener, has an enzyme threshold that determines the
safety of the procedure, so far we have had no problems with those we’ve
treated.

Our most recent patient was a very high volume user of heroin, woman, 29
years old. Her very heavy iboga experience, with full on two movie screens
under her eyelids (her description) lasted 96 hours. Consider that. 96
hours
of a patient seeming to speak in tongues, her brains apparently scrambled,
not eating anything and drinking little. Non stop visualization.

She did not come back to our world here lucidly until about hour 102 or
so.

So if you want a person with no experience to sit beside you while you go
for days without eating, drinking, babbling what appears to be
undecipherable, hallucinating….

You need a person to watch you or monitor you 24 hours a day while you are
‘out there’. They should know what to do if you fall unconscious, which
has
happened to an older patient (59 years old with many medical problems). We
took him to the nearby hospital. His electrolyte level dropped. We learned
from that. Now they get Gatorade throughout the recovery. He was fine.

The minimum ‘out there’ time is about 20 hours, averaging about 24 hours,
but is much longer if the patient is very polluted by drugs and the dosage
I
give is in the high end range. I gave the young woman cited about 5,000 mg
(5 grams) of Indra Iboga Extract, she weighed only 115 pounds, it was a
very
high dose but she was a very big daily user of heroin. She was completely
detoxed when she emerged from the experience after about 101 hours after
administration. That her brains seemed scrambled even in the fourth day
concerned me but she later had quite an interesting explanation for it (“I
was resisting the ibogaine so I couldn’t make my thoughts heard. Once I
gave
in to the iboga, everything was in sync.”) She had many revelatory
comments
though in the first 8 hours I monitored her, like ‘ I have made so many
bad
decisions in my life…’ and ‘ I keep seeing over and over trivial parts
of
my life that aren’t important’. The last one makes me smile. Eliana (who
is
on this list serve) had exactly the same comments during her intense but
very lucidly narrated visualizations. But later they take on substantial
meaning in the post-visualization period.

If there is anything else you would like to know about our experience at
Iboga Therapy House, just ask.

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

—– Original Message —–
From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

For pain , your lifestyle is very important what you eat what you drink
and how much, if you take care of that first then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,<

LOL, Sara,
You sound remarkably like my girlfriend, who is constantly reminding
me
to eat healthier.
Eating for me can also be a problem due to that aforementioned lack
of
some intestines.
on another topic, Who here has Hep C, and also tried ibogaine? Can
anyone tell me what the usual course of action is for that? I spoke to
someone the other day about this who pointed out that most people who
shoot
drugs have Hep C nowadays, so I imagine there’ve been cases where
Ibogaine
was given, but I’d like to know for sure, and what sort of precautions
need
to be taken in these cases, if any.
Also, what’s the role of a sitter during an ibogaine session? (btw,
watching that Staten Island Project tape, it appeared to me that it
woulda
been slightly irritating for that guy Marc to be questioned every half
hour/hour during his experience, and possibly detrimental to the purpose
of
the taking of ibogaine to begin with, what with the constant distration
of
the off-camera questioner) Is ibogaine so dangerous as to absolutely
necessitate pro-medical watching, or can it simply be a loved one who
does
the sitting? I know there’s a difference of opinion on this one, with
some
saying it shouldn’t ever be done in a private home-like setting, and
others
saying that it doesn’t matter so long as someone or other is there.
Thanks
for any thoughts anyone might want to voice/write.
Peace,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: sara
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:15 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] links at drugwar.com today

Hi preston ,

For pain , your lifestyle is very important what you eat what you drink
and how much, if you take care of that first then you may not need to
increase your pain medication,

Be well ,

Sara

HI all,
You all wanna know what REALLY sucks? Lviing with half my
intestines, a
rod from my hip to my knee from a shattered femur, unending psiatic
(sp?)
nerve troubles, serious back and abdominal pain, and getting the very
minimal prescription from my doctor for dilaudid for that pain, that
never
ending pain that had me very seriously visualizing leaping off my
fucking
roof day from the pain day before yesterday because I’m out of
medication,
and am finding that I’m too fucking scared to talk to my doctor about
increasing my dose (though I’m sitting here working up the nerve to do
just
that at 9AM today), as I’ve finished the almost utterly useless 2
milligram
dilaudid twice a day she’s prescribed me, and for for that matter,
asking
her about refilling my prescrption 10 day early. I can’t fucking believe
that I have to be worried about talking to my doctor about getting
adequet
pain relief, (in NY, where by law patients are entitled to adequet pain
relief) simply because I was honest with my doctor about my fucking
junky
past, which is leeving me with her saying last time I asked for her to
increase my dose, “oh I’m uncomfortable doing that Preston.” Fuck that,
if
she’s uncomfortable doing that, imagine how uncomfortable I am trying to
live with never ending, debilitating depressing pain and not being able
to
afford to change doctors, like going to a pain specialist as someone on
the
ibogaine list suggested to me a few days ago, as I’m thousands and
thousands
and even more thousands of dollars in debts of other medical bills, like
rebuilding my freakin mouth.
I’m severely depressed and ill and not sure what the fuck to do. I
do
NOT want to revert to finding street drugs to suppliment my script, and
I
SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DAMNIT, were it not for FUCKING prohibition.
Anyway, once again I’m using these two lists to vent my fears,
frustrations and tears.
Peace all and please wish me luck calling my doctor this morning,
PLEASE,
think good strong thoughts and wishes for me this morning. I’ve got
another
2 hours before she MIGHT be in the office and I want to cut my body to
pieces I’m so sick of this unending fucking pain.
AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Preston

sorry, here’s those aforementioned links, found at
http://www.drugwar.com in
the left bar.

Calif. Locale to Sue Feds Over Medical Marijuana (April 22, 2003)
“A California county and its major city plan to sue the federal
government
on Wednesday to allow the use of medical marijuana in a lawsuit they
said
will mark the first legal challenge over the issue brought by a local
government.”

Medical marijuana user speaks about treatment (April 22, 2003)
“A day following April 20, or 4-20, a number associated with marijuana
use,
George McMahon spoke on campus about his involvement with medical
marijuana.”

Federal marijuana too potent to use (April 22, 2003)
“Health Canada’s medical tests delayed again; first crop inconsistent,
second crop may be abandoned as too strong, too hard to grow.”

Hundreds Rally In Boulder For Legalization Of Marijuana (April 22, 2003)
“A crowd estimated by police at 800 gathered at Farrand Field at the
University of Colorado on Sunday to support the legalization of
marijuana,
and smoke a little weed.”

Planned marijuana demonstration forces closure of Albuquerque park
(April
22, 2003)
“Officers closed Roosevelt Park Sunday. In past years, the park has
drawn
hundreds of people each April 20th to celebrate marijuana use.”

Marijuana for MS (April 22, 2003)
“Researchers from the Institute of Neurology in London are now
experimenting
with marijuana to treat the symptoms of multiple sclerosis.”

Drug gangs take poppy growing to US doorstep (April 22, 2003)
“Mexico’s Pacific coast has become the new front-line in the US war
against
hard drugs after farmers switched from marijuana to a deadly new
product:
high-grade opium poppies.”

Poppies replace marijuana in Mexican hills (April 22, 2003)
“Marijuana has long been the main illegal crop on Mexico’s Pacific
coast,
but now growers are switching to a more deadly and profitable product:
high-grade opium poppies used to make heroin.”

New Haven Police Lieutenant Faces Charges in Marijuana Case (April 22,
2003-
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“A New Haven police lieutenant was arrested yesterday after officers
executing a search warrant found a pound and a half of marijuana in the
apartment she shared with her boyfriend, the authorities said.”

House Speaker Signals Opposition to Medical-Marijuana Bill (April 22,
2003)
Heartless US politicos oppose having hearts and compassion, prefering to
promote their tough law and order stance, to the detriment of patients
in
dire need of the help medical marijuana gives them.

Topsy-turvy times for pot advocates Medical use has wide support, but
government cracking down (April 22, 2003)
“While most Americans say they support medical marijuana, the federal
government has won several high-profile criminal cases against cannabis
clubs and pot growers in the past year.”

U.S. Links Illegal Drug Production, Environmental Damage (April 22,
2003)
US prohibitionists utilizing crap reasoning to continue justifying their
evil war on some drugs and users.

Anisq’ Oyo’ Park Goes Up in Smoke (April 22, 2003)
“Music from several bands and the words of pro-hemp activists mingled
with
swirling wisps of marijuana smoke in the air above Anisq’ Oyo’ Park on
Easter Sunday.”

Marijuana ads prove unnecessary and a waste of American tax dollars
(April
22, 2003)
“Instead of using the billions of taxpayer dollars to give facts about
marijuana effects and abuse, they decided to go back to the government’s
‘reefer madness’ approach of the 1930s. However, their approach is
failing.”

Getting High for Science (April 22, 2003)
“So, even as the Feds spend $20 billion a year on the drug war,
scientists
in the US and abroad have begun studying the potential benefits of X,
marijuana, and psychedelic mushrooms. Here’s a look at the whys behind
the
highs.”

Candidate For Cannabis (April 22, 2003)
“To be honest, not many showed up in support of the pro-marijuana rally
on
the Texas Tech campus. But Dr. Chip Peterson did. Peterson is the
Libertarian candidate for congress in the special election to replace
Larry
Combest. And while Peterson does not recommend marijuana use, he also
doesn’t condone the current ban.”

Tattered but triumphant (April 22, 2003)
“The authorities wanted it. The bookstore owner concealed it…Exactly
what
book did suspected methamphetamine maker Chris Montoya buy from her
bookstore to create all the fuss? A book on Japanese calligraphy, of
course.” Yet another example of a completely useless watste of US
taxpayer
money on the part of intrusive, un-American feds working overtime to
overturn our Constitutionally protected rights.

Why did 420 come to mean that? (April 20, 2003)
“True story? Well, it’s at least the most elaborate..: According to
Steven
Hager, editor of High Times, the term 420 originated at San Rafael High
School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres
who
called themselves the Waldos.”

What time is it? It’s 4:20! (April 20, 2003)
What are stoners talking about using this phrase?

4/20 an underground marijuana holiday (April 20, 2003)
“Internationally, it’s become known as the ‘universal smoke day,’ and
even
the occasional weed smoker will light up to commemorate its underground
culture.”

HUD’s Financial Woes Continue (April 20, 2003)
“In 1999 the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) was
unable to
account for $59 billion and, at the time, placed much of the blame on
the
federal agency’s financial-management computer systems. Four years
later,
despite hundreds of millions of dollars being paid to federal
contractors to
fix the problem, HUD still cannot rely on these systems to account for
its
funds.”

From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Our experience with HEP C, the sitter, medical action
Date: April 24, 2003 at 7:53:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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