Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-08

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 31, 2005 at 8:43:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Tyler,

When I say a provider, I mean a person that has administered Ibo’ before. Someone with some understanding
of what you will be going through, a caring person that knows what to do or say at the right times, or what not
to do or say.

I have been opiate free since I took Iboga in November of 2004. I have tried many things for many years and this
is working for me. nothing else has,…..for me.

I wish you luck.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —–
From: Tyler P.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?

hey jasen-and everyone- i live in canada, and i take 90mg/day.i have read, i think in ‘the ibogaine story’, of people coming off 80mgs, with success, so… what do you mean by “provider”? i will check out the sites recommended, and i have surfed around a bit in the past, only i don’t have a computer at home, though i can use my cell phone to email, which is why i thought maybe i could get some direction through this group… anyhow, thanks, and i’ll keep you all posted on my progress. wish me luck!!! much love, tyler p.
From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:05:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Howard & Vector for the info and links.   Sjonny.
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:17:14 EDT

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.

Sjonny,

Good questions but, I can’t give you the answers. The only person with any data on ibogaine and noribogaine levels is Deborah Mash and I’d have to see all of her data to feel comfortable with it. Mash is the only person to have done toxicity studies on noribogaine in the form of what are called LD50 studies where you look at the percentage of animals that die from given doses of any drug. These studies that were in mice are also unpublished.

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most persons taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because they begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Patrick Kroupa and Hattie Wells published, “Ibogaine in the 21st Century: Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance” that is available from http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-08.htm~mainFrame

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Doses are determined by individual responses and what you are trying to achieve. It is always good to be concerned about toxicity. Ibogaine is considered experimental and there is a lot yet to be learned. That could be said for everything. If I had hard data I would share it but I don’t.

Best regards.

Howard
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Kirk !
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:50:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said Kirk , you made a succinct case against those whingeing dullards who complain about the list content – couldn’t have put it better myself.   Sjonny.

From:  “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date:  Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:44:30 +1200
>
>Good comparisons Martee…
>I’d also like to add……when one meets new people and spends time in their
>company, whether it be in person or online, one normally has conversations
>with them, gets to know them, laughs with them, cries with them, has
>arguments with them, gets mad at them, loves them.
>As has been said before, there isn’t enough information solely about
>Ibogaine to keep a list interesting….the personalities here keep the list
>interesting. That also comes with lots of emails and unless you have no life
>(like me at the moment) sure they’re going to build up.
>Anywayyyyyyyyyy
>Lets put this one to bed again.
>And CONGRATS MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>Maybe there’s hope for me yet aye?
>Lol
>Kirk xx
>—–Original Message—–
>From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:23 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
>
>
>      When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish
>drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your
>destination.
>      When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of
>what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time,
>however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with
>the knowledge and insight you went for.
>      People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in
>anger and denegration….even junkies.  One  who perpetrates this behavior
>might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
>      If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread  they might
>consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
>       I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time
>using a delete button.  Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to
>what I do.
>                                   Been lurking lately but still send much
>love,
>
>Martee
>   I passed my one year mark and life is good!
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
>
>
> > yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
> > for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
> > most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
> > gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
> > about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
> > list,but since the topic has been
> > raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
> > imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
> > joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
> > faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:36:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

‘Townshend’ – Pete Townshend – I’m a huge Who fan and a pedant !   Sjonny.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:00:22 EDT

Nick, you may be right. All I know is I saw him perform the song and it moved me very much. Music has been such a big part of my life that I have all these lines running in my head and I try and get some meaning from them. ” Long Live Rock” (The Who) Pete Townsed ( I think that’s how you spell his last name.) Love and lyrics my friend Randy
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:31:28 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, you’ll keep mate!!! Just watcher back!!!!
;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2005 1:31 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

WARNING! the brain of Capt Kirk is FULL. It is severely overloaded and has
to just jetison out more and more nonsense in a desperate attempt to
stabilize itself. This is a permanent failure from an automated qmail
program. I’ve given up (all hope)

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2005 03:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

oh,im not leaving!i dont agree with the nasty things
said by some.its just,there are SO MANY emails,hard to
read em all,and when many of em seem like surplus
babble,i just got a bit disenchanted.and i spoke up to
agree when i probably shouldve just hit
delete.again,im emailing when i should be
deleting!geeze!i sent 1 email seeking guidance,and now
im involving myself in a silly,and LAME discussion!
this is all a waste of our time!ha!no more for
me!ignore the b.s. and learn-teach when possible.cheers!

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:43:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed give me a break,

I’m in the middle of a treatment and it is going very well,I only got two
hours of sleep and in general only five hours a night, I don’t want to
spend my energy writing on the internet and have no results.
people come to my house to share idea’s and exploration of many other
natural gifts beside Iboga and Ibogaine.
I have a week of exploration together with a client, I also take iboga
with my clients lots of time. my life is more fun then ever before and I
work solo,as a mother and as a provider, but together with others on art
projects,
which are not yet finnished.
I have enough to do that 24 hours are not enough.

Thanks.

Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some
inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats
exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert
attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside
to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a
lot
to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away
in
the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no
more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round
to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think
there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so
please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen
to
some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up
in
Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the
romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the
drug
thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing
to
death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’
told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho
spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain
and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in
alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of
work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I
encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because
despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering
or
wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result.
Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for
later.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)
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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine}going tribal
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:24:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All, I watched “going tribal” after coming home from the psych unit last nite -(we unfortunately watched the news ad naseum all shift, so I needed to balance out), I was pleasantly surprised how touching the program was, and he did mention ibogaine treatment for addiction in a positive note too!glad you guys are here ,love shell

edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some
inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats
exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert
attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside
to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a lot
to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away in
the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no
more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round
to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think
there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so
please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen to
some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up in
Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the
romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the drug
thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing to
death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’
told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho
spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain
and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in
alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of
work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I
encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because
despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering or
wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result.
Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for
later.

Ed.

>From: sara119@xs4all.nl
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)
>
>
>thanks ED !
>
> people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
>if they wish to do so.
>
>is that good enough,? I practice voodoo I have no shame of doing so. but I
>have no fixed tricks. I’m not a western person and have no intention to
>loose
>my believes to a westernized idealism a systematic believes.
>
>
>
>
> Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
> > been
> > conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
> > is
> > exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way.
>I
> > call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
> > would
> > be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
> > women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.
> >
> > My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to
>cause
> > thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
> > ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at
>about
> > the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
> > ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
> > result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
> > different way, and can learn to communicate that.
> >
> > A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and
>to
> > good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
> > it,
> > are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no
>free
> > will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.
> >
> > Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
> > Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
> > Africa.
> > He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
> > desire
> > to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a
>subject
> > which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
> > And
> > in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
> > dealing witht the world as it is..
> >
> > “you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
> > strategy.
> > Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving?
>Because
> > so
> > much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s
> > invent
> > the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and
> > show
> > it what it s doing, with the hope that it w
>
>
>
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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:42:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a lot to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away in the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen to some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up in Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the drug thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing to death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’ told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering or wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result. Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for later.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)

thanks ED !

people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
if they wish to do so.

is that good enough,? I practice voodoo I have no shame of doing so. but I
have no fixed tricks. I’m not a western person and have no intention to
loose
my believes to a westernized idealism a systematic believes.

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
> been
> conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
> is
> exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I
> call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
> would
> be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
> women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.
>
> My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause
> thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
> ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about
> the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
> ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
> result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
> different way, and can learn to communicate that.
>
> A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
> good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
> it,
> are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
> will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.
>
> Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
> Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
> Africa.
> He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
> desire
> to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject
> which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
> And
> in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
> dealing witht the world as it is..
>
> “you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
> strategy.
> Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving? Because
> so
> much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s
> invent
> the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and
> show
> it what it s doing, with the hope that it w

From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:37:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh ya!i said faulty egos,read:liers and assholes,not
just anyone with an ego!thatd be hard to escape!ciao

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:34:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

randy!thanks for the info,and ive been trying to
apologize for making comments i shouldnt have.i do not
agree with FRANCES,it turns out.i had read a few posts
that i couldnt relate to, i guess,or someting!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:23:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i know.im shutting up now!like i said,i jumped in on a
discussion i shouldnt have!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:20:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i know.im shutting up now!

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 10:00:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:30:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2005 03:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] methamphetamines on c-span
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:27:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Washington Journal is about to have a segment on methamphetamine on, beginning any minute. It’s 9:23 AM now, so I imagine it’ll start by 9:30. I don’t know who the guest is, but it is probably some prohibitionist or cop or ONDCP or DEA type- but I’m not sure. It could, but I doubt it, be some methhead extolling the virtues of his/her meth use, but again, I somehow doubt we’re going to get that viewpoint on C-Span.
Unless someone calls and gets through on the phone- and we all know how many methheads along with most other hard drug addicts have phones, not to mention tv and cable to go along with it, right?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:18:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: 31 August 2005 10:44
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal
experience has been
conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name
calling etc. is
exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort
of way. I
call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial
revolution we would
be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause
thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about
the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
different way, and can learn to communicate that.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are
doing it,
are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as
South Africa.
He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides,
its desire
to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways,
a subject
which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing
about. And
in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
dealing witht the world as it is..

“you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
strategy.
Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving?
Because so
much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said
let’s invent
the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the
mirror and show
it what it s doing, with the hope that it will seperate the mean
green meme
form legitimate healthy green. Lets expose enough people to the duplicity
and artificiality and self-serving nature of their own belief
systems around
political correctness to finally get the wword out there that there’s
something beyond that. Its a drastic measure, a rhetorical strategy to
create a symbol that will hopefully give people an understanding
that what
they are doing is actually destroying the thing they want to accomplish.”

Taken from ” What is Enlightenment” Magazine.

And this is the danger of substances and techniques which move
consciousness, there is the need for integration and progression.
It is why
traditionally in Western Africa that it is all done within a strict and
evolved on going social group. Were preparation may in some cases
go on for
weeks or months and is engaged with through a system of genuine
elders not
self apportioned ones. Like wise with all traditional practices of
‘enlightenment’ or persoanl growth/individuation. None rely on chemical
means alone, that is a western distortion puit forward by people
who maybe
run before they can walk, which can be exactly the effects of something
which boosts mental and somatic experientials so drammatically.
The negative
attribute that can come out of that is a non developing sense of self as
independent from a catalyst. Life should be the catalyst and in atruly
wholistic model is. Why are practically all Buddhist techniques human
techniques? Because we are so ingrained in human behavior, when
you rely on
something which is not human to create change you are looking at
a rapidly
untenable position, common sense should show us that.

In the words of C.G. Jung “Every form of addiction is bad, no matter
whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism.”

I personally feel passing the message on to people seeking change
that the
world is somehow some imbalanced reprensible place in which we
all suffer is
not acceptable. You may cease someones addiction via chemical
means but what
equipment are you giving them to deal with the world on a
realistic level,
is that ethical? Freedom comes from mental liberation and allows
people, us
all to progress in to adulthood. Is that not what the traditional
model is
about, not this wishy washy magical thinking approach?

Hi all,

to add to a few threads at once –

– Ed, yes, imo, green politics is hopelessly dualistic. Gaia theory, for
example, neglects to appreciate that humans are simple thermodynamic
machines, same as everything else. The planet is NOT under threat. It is
possible that human life is, but che sera. The planet is only a product of
human consciousness anyway. People who subscribe to an “us and them” mindset
do so out of fear. This is true. Finding someone else to blame is just a
fear of taking full personal responsibility yourself. Quite a reasonable
fear in many ways. AND….All attempts to understand existence ultimately
collapse in paradox, something the con-men who write “what is enlightenment”
magazine probably neglect to point out.

– Caroline, I’m a brit! Well, anglo-iranian actually. I have a website
called ibogaine.co.uk. It doesn’t get updated much, I’m afraid, and people
only really look at it for the page where it tells you where you can get
ibogaine!

– Vector, why not just BE the messiah you know you wanna be? And stop going
on about it. You’ll get a lot of women that way! They can’t resist a good
messiah.

– Randy, it was “what’s so FUNNY about peace, love, and understanding.”
Least I’m reasonably sure.

Nick

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 8:04:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks ED !

people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
if they wish to do so.

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
been
conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
is
exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I
call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
would
be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
it,
are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
Africa.
He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
desire
to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject
which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
And
in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
dealing witht the world as it is..

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:40:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Caroline,
Welcome to the list. Firstly I recommend you read the starting page of Ibogaine list…so you understand just exactly what it is you’ve fallen into.
Then
A. We’re all members. Of what we’re usually not sure.
B. We try really hard to ban all Brits but they usually get thru anywayyyyyyy (looks at SonnyG and Nick nyuk nyuk) and as much as I give em heaps they still insist on staying. Sigh.
C. I’ve used Ibogaine but it was the weak version so all I can advise is be careful where you get your supplies.
Again, welcome, if you are mad enough you may even have some fun
Luff from New Zealand
Land of the lost
Kirk :o) (that’s Capt “womyn rule” Kirk)
From: Poise Consulting Ltd [mailto:caroline@poiseconsulting.com]  Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:30 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you! Importance: High

Hi guys…  I only found your site a few days ago. I wonder if u can give me an idea of a) how many of you are members, b) are there many other Brits? And how many of u have used Ibogaine and finally, those of u who have used Ibogaine -how successful was the experience?  Thanks in advance  Kind regards  Caroline

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:14:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/05 1:34:05 AM, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:

The article is at:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

.:vector:

Thanks vector.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:13:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Caroline, I don’t know if I am a member or not, LOL, but I came around about 2 years ago when I was still very addicted, lurked for a while and then started posting. I would call my Ibogaine experience a very positive experience for me. I took mine last year Sept. the 28th. I’m still not strung out, and I still like to have fun. My treatment was rough because of the methadone I was taking, but well worth the work. As for Brits, there are quite a few that come and go. There are people posting from all over the world. Welcome to the list. Ignore the stuff you don’t like and look for your answers. There are some good people who post here that I am sure will help you out. Love and Light Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters Ed
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:55:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed, you seem to have a firm grasp on the English language and can turn a phrase quite well. I must state to you that no provider that I know of will treat somebody that has no plan for aftercare. We all know that Ibogaine is not the only answer to stopping our addictions. Ibogaine interrupts the addiction but the real work must be done by the individual that has decided to take the Ibogaine treatment. I personally go to 12 step meetings sometimes, I talk with a counsler, I work to spread the word about Ibogaine to those who know nothing about it, and when all else fails I put about 50 22 rounds into a stuffed Barney figure. Ya know the Barney will take a lot of rounds before giving up the ghost. The thing is that we have no cut and dried aftercare program in place for people because we have to do it in secret. Do you know how many Docs and counslers I have talked to that at first said, “Ibo who or what?” We all have to do something after Ibogaine. At this point it is up to the individual to follow through on their own aftercare. Now after it gets legalized (yea right) I have a few idea’s about a treatment program and have talked to some Docs and a bona fide shrink who think that Ibogaine is the logical way to treat an addict. Let’s change the law so we can do some study and find out what really does help the most after Ibogaine. Peace Randy

From: “Poise Consulting Ltd” <caroline@poiseconsulting.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:29:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:12:03 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 5:20:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca writes:

imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo

Dude, I’m an egomaniac with an inferiority complex. LOL I recommend you going to the next conference or Harm Reduction thing that always includes Ibogaine people on the panel. Take a good look around the room at the leaders in the movements, not just the Ibogane movement, and then tell me that having an EGO is a problem. Ego’s manifest themselves in good and bad ways. Some people are really trying to help and are actively doing things to make a difference. Some people just sit at their computers and bitch about what they are doing nothing to change. I know what I’m doing to help, and I feel good about it. This list saved my ass numerous times. Back when I was addicted to methadone ( and everything I could shoot to get past the done) I bitched and cried a lot, but I also laughed real hard when the funny posts came up. I needed everyone of those post. SOOOOOOO in the meantime did you here the one about the junky…………….. never mind, I guess you don’t like to laugh. Seriously tho, if you are looking for clinical effects and the results of the testing on Ibogaine and it’s derivitives, Patrick has a link on the homepage to more than most minds could comprehend. Also check out Howard’s dosier on treatment. It’s on the Dora Weiner Foundation web page I think. Come to think of it I think I should be re-reading some of that info. Thanx for making me think of it. Randy

From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:43:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has been conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc. is exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we would be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a different way, and can learn to communicate that.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing it, are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South Africa. He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its desire to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about. And in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in dealing witht the world as it is..

“you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical strategy. Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving? Because so much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s invent the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and show it what it s doing, with the hope that it will seperate the mean green meme form legitimate healthy green. Lets expose enough people to the duplicity and artificiality and self-serving nature of their own belief systems around political correctness to finally get the wword out there that there’s something beyond that. Its a drastic measure, a rhetorical strategy to create a symbol that will hopefully give people an understanding that what they are doing is actually destroying the thing they want to accomplish.”

Taken from ” What is Enlightenment” Magazine.

And this is the danger of substances and techniques which move consciousness, there is the need for integration and progression. It is why traditionally in Western Africa that it is all done within a strict and evolved on going social group. Were preparation may in some cases go on for weeks or months and is engaged with through a system of genuine elders not self apportioned ones. Like wise with all traditional practices of ‘enlightenment’ or persoanl growth/individuation. None rely on chemical means alone, that is a western distortion puit forward by people who maybe run before they can walk, which can be exactly the effects of something which boosts mental and somatic experientials so drammatically. The negative attribute that can come out of that is a non developing sense of self as independent from a catalyst. Life should be the catalyst and in atruly wholistic model is. Why are practically all Buddhist techniques human techniques? Because we are so ingrained in human behavior, when you rely on something which is not human to create change you are looking at a rapidly untenable position, common sense should show us that.

In the words of C.G. Jung “Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism.”

I personally feel passing the message on to people seeking change that the world is somehow some imbalanced reprensible place in which we all suffer is not acceptable. You may cease someones addiction via chemical means but what equipment are you giving them to deal with the world on a realistic level, is that ethical? Freedom comes from mental liberation and allows people, us all to progress in to adulthood. Is that not what the traditional model is about, not this wishy washy magical thinking approach?

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:48:46 +0200 (CEST)

> Hi Randy ,

thanks for sharing this wonderful news.
I’m glad to know that you feel that way.

being a control freak,playing mind games of shame, guilt,
sticking lables on people is just as well addictive.it is the brainwashing
social
mechanism, started when the industrial time started.
thinking from an anarchist point of view.

take care,

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10
> months
> from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying
> that
> it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the
> love
> again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even
> before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can
> anyone
> argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying,
> I
> don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing
> that I
> have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I
> think
> you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the
> teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade.
> Randy
>

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Glad 2 hear u Randy.
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:12:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yay, so glad to hear you’re ok, it’s a bit hard looking at a map and trying to figure out where everyone is (geez, took me ages to find the weirdly named and sounding place that TINKERSMELLS lives in LOL)
And yehhh wow what an amazing gesture that would be, a blues jam to raise money. Brilliant idea. Might put it to the Muso’s club here as well. Kiwis have always been pretty good at raising money for overseas stuff cos really, we don’t get the extremes like other parts of the world. We have just gotten thru the most amazingly calm and warm winter with the first of spring upon us tomorrow and daffodils and blossoms blooming early, but that also makes me wonder if it’s gonna be a late one….stay tuned!!
I think we’re out of that weather cycle, we shouldn’t see any effects, but then again, a butterfly wing etc… (mind you if that were true, what the heck are the windmills for power going to do to the planet??????? Hmmm)
Great to see your voice back too Randy!
Where the heck is tink??? Come on girl, learn to type with your feet!!!! Or mouth!! Wahtever just get your voice back here! We need some more babble around here!!
Luff n lite
Kirk :o)
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 8:40 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?

Kirky, I’m from the southern US but am living up north now. We are just now getting the rain from Katrina. It has pretty much petered out and is bringing winds around 25 miles an hour and lots of rain. No worries here. Thanx for your concern. I’ve been watching the weather and news channels since it all began and feel so bad for the people in New Orleans, Biloxi, Gulfport and so on.I’d like to put together a jam for the people so effected by this storm and send the Red Cross the money we make. What better way to show respect for New Orleans than to play some free flowin’ blues and boogie and make someone smile. That’s what the music is all about down there. It looks like Guam and the Phillipines are going to get hit with a cyclone. I hope you don’t see any effects from those storms. Much love as always my friend. Randy

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:48:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy ,

thanks for sharing this wonderful news.
I’m glad to know that you feel that way.

take care,

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10
months
from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying
that
it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the
love
again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even
before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can
anyone
argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying,
I
don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing
that I
have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I
think
you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the
teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade.
Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:40:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:23:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10 months from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying that it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the love again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can anyone argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying, I don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing that I have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I think you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Martee
Date: August 31, 2005 at 3:58:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey my friend, how are you. I am so glad to see you writing to the list again. We need your input here. Well, I need your input here. You have helped me thru some tuff times and I am so glad that you and your sis are doing well and living happy. THAT is what Ibogaine is all about. ” What’s so hard about peace love and understanding?” (Elivis Costello) Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2005 at 3:42:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 8:23:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Francis writes:

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are
>using this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art
>in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
>time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life

I do believe that by posting here anyone has a real life. Just one that you don’t agree with. I see you come and go occasionally, and every time you come back you have venom to spew. Feel the love or go fuck yourself. Your choice. Read what Patrick has to say about the list on the homepage. This list has been here for us lowlifes a lot longer than you have been around. Everyone is welcome. Eventually the assholes get chased off. If it is clinical information you are looking for Patrick has a great list of articles if you are smart enough to find it and have enough of a brain to comprehend what is written. You and I have been thru this before. And by the way would you at least TRY and spell rite? It is anoying to reed thi bulshit you putt oit and figyer what thi hel it is yuu are triing to say. Love and stricnine Randy

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 1:33:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

While I can’t answer the question and don’t know anything about Dr.
Mash’s secret data horde or Dr. Kroupa’s results from playing mad
scientist 😉 I do know that URL puts you in the middle of the series
Patrick wrote for Heroin Times 😉

The article is at:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

.:vector:.

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that
Noribogaine levels
can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are
taken within
short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect.
That’s what
I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you
can provide
an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time
treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what
sort of dosage would
be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what
inspired
my concern about toxicity.

Sjonny,

Good questions but, I can’t give you the answers.   The only person
with any
data on ibogaine and noribogaine levels is Deborah Mash and I’d have
to see
all of her data to feel comfortable with it.   Mash is the only
person to have
done toxicity studies on noribogaine in the form of what are called
LD50
studies where you look at the percentage of animals that die from
given doses of any
drug.   These studies that were in mice are also unpublished.

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most
persons
taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because
they
begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Patrick Kroupa and Hattie Wells published, “Ibogaine in the 21st
Century:
Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance” that is available from
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-08.htm~mainFrame

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Doses are determined by individual responses and what you are trying
to
achieve.   It is always good to be concerned about toxicity.
Ibogaine is
considered experimental and there is a lot yet to be learned.   That
could be said for
everything.   If I had hard data I would share it but I don’t.

Best regards.

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:17:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

Sjonny,

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most persons taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because they begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Best regards.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 11:35:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Franics wrote, just before extending us god’s blessing >I think that the
loosers who are using this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life <

Who ARE you discussing here Francis, because I haven’t yet seen anyone on this list “justfying their own failure with ibogaine,” or at least not lately. Could you please be more specific? Thanks. I’d be interested in knowing who here has taken ibogaine, feel it was a failure, yet stayed to continue posting even though they felt taking ibogaine was a failure of an idea.
Again, thanks Francis, and have a great evening.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “jerry harville” <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

All,

I must disagree with your post. I find something
everyday that is exciting, insightful and
entertaining.I have seen many list’s die out because
of a lack of posts by the likes of the three you
denigrate. Best regards, Jerry

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
wrote:

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof
and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals
in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d
appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the
loosers who are using this list to show their
pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing
theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a
REAL life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they
could hear some good , simple, practical advices but
unfortunately they are too busy listening to the
echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the
small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the
feeling that they are the same type of people who
will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of
theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope
I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s
who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —– From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight,
and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a
waste of space. Now all I do is log on and delete,
without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value
H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight
that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment,
I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational
drug and combining it with other drugs shows the
total ignorance of the people who responded
positivally. The same retards have a balls to whine
that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.
It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will
always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a
“cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste
of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 11:32:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…<

I dunno, for a first post you’re making useful, timeworthy postings chock full of helpful info and links to further explor…oh, wait, that musta been someone else.
No, seriously, instead of complaining about how other people’s posts are “a drag,” or “lame” why not actually contribute a thread YOU or YOU oh so cheerful Francis would like to dicuss here.
I mean it. What’s with all the complaining about list content when you aren’t making ANY worthwhile or otherwise posts to the list EXCEPT to bitch and moan about other people’s posts? Why do you bother? Why not simply unsubscribe if you’re that bothered by a “few” people who post more than others do here?
Out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:59:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk,
I believe there exists just truckloads of hope for you.
Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)

Good comparisons Martee…
I’d also like to add……when one meets new people and spends time in their
company, whether it be in person or online, one normally has conversations
with them, gets to know them, laughs with them, cries with them, has
arguments with them, gets mad at them, loves them.
As has been said before, there isn’t enough information solely about
Ibogaine to keep a list interesting….the personalities here keep the list
interesting. That also comes with lots of emails and unless you have no life
(like me at the moment) sure they’re going to build up.
Anywayyyyyyyyyy
Lets put this one to bed again.
And CONGRATS MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Maybe there’s hope for me yet aye?
Lol
Kirk xx
—–Original Message—–
From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:23 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish
drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your
destination.
When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of
what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time,
however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with
the knowledge and insight you went for.
People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in
anger and denegration….even junkies. One who perpetrates this behavior
might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread they might
consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time
using a delete button. Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to
what I do.
Been lurking lately but still send much
love,

Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:45:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just watching the aftermath of Katrina, wow, what a huge disaster… my
thoughts are with all those hurt by the hurricane, and who have lost loved
ones. I hope nobody on this list was there or lost anyone.

Randy, don’t you live down there somewhere??? Please write let us know you
are ok.

Love n light

Kirk xoxo

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:44:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —–
From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:34:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

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From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:22:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your destination.
When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time, however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with the knowledge and insight you went for.
People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in anger and denegration….even junkies. One who perpetrates this behavior might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread they might consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time using a delete button. Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to what I do.
Been lurking lately but still send much love,
Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:17:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

now i think THIS is the one i shouldve waited to agree
with!i jumped in on something i wasnt even informed
about!silly me!vector,you said it!stop with the
anger,ignore what you dont want to read!simple!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:10:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 30, 2005 at 8:22:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To ask a simple question, why is it that people who like to talk about
god and love, or in your case specifically quote out of the bible,
always seem to fill up their messages with the ugliest and angriest
thoughts that do nothing except disrespect people?

You reposted some message from 3 months ago to restart shit, there
isn’t any other possible reason to put it out there.

Not to point any fingers, but to add it up and do some math.

Many of the messianic personalities who spew bile here and disrespect
everyone, are the same ones using this very list to find new customers,
clients, patients, however you want to call them. Treating them with
ibogaine, which is a schedule 1 substance in the country you live in,
so you’re using this list to commit felonies, make money, help people
in theory and on top of all of that you’re still angry and bitter,
while talking about love and healing.

What am I missing, why doesn’t this make any sense?

Maybe the top 5 of the angriest messianic personalities who feel they
aren’t getting enough attention or airtime, should get together and
petition Mindvox to build them a shrine. Would that help?

I often don’t have the time to read this list either, when I see 500
new messages, yes I admit that I pick the 3 or 4 names I’m interested
in and skip the rest, but why does it make you so angry that people
with drug problems are talking here? Is attacking and belittling them
supposed to cause some great healing to happen?

I really don’t get it. If you’re so angry about everything, then just
leave, it’s not like anyone is going to miss these gems you write.

.:vector:.

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people (who I immediately
delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare
important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s
etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar
treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are
using this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art
in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good
, simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy
listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the
small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they
are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy
the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I
didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s who recognized
themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 7:17:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

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From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 9:18 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root
Date: August 30, 2005 at 6:16:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Now playing: Led Zeppelin, “When the levee breaks.” That kind of concern is a big part of why Jeff shook the hooks off himself.<

Egad, yeah, and it’s getting worse for those in NO right now, not better.
And of course, as has been pointed out by many elsewhere today, those most affected by the hurricane were the black folk of NO- just like with the war on drugs, it’s often the poor and minority who find themselves brushed with a great big target, or brushed aside with a big “who cares?”

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:46 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root

You have a point, Ed, about the economics of this treatment. Although at least in the U.S., the underground movement of addict self-determinationists isn’t really about making money. Atall.

If this were about the Benjamins, the pharmy companies would have been all over it a while ago. This is about liberation. Unsprungness. Not shackled, hand-cuffed, whatever. Freedom.

How did Dana put it recently: it makes you think and it makes you horny, and that’s revolutionary besides all the sacred dimensions and shaman stuff.

But you keep treating it like just another drug, Ed. It is a magical potency of profound medical importance. An amazing grace…

Thanks for posting Howard’s new foreword, Lee, and HoLo, thanks for sharing so much.

I wonder if the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation would fund the Ibogaine Project. Or is that corporate whoredom?

Or have Patrick and Posse burned that bridge looooong ago?? Fuck, whaddooeye kNOw about that hacker-pride stuff anyhoo? Nada colada.

It was both a freakout and an honor to hang by that playground, Preston, ‘tho I didn’t get to mingle nearly enough with the friendly faces, and after a while we got thirsty for some beers & split. Alcohol and tobacco – it’s so legal it’s practically conformist.

Now playing: Led Zeppelin, “When the levee breaks.” That kind of concern is a big part of why Jeff shook the hooks off himself.

love, rachel

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:54:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All,

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
wrote:

You wrote :

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight,
and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a
waste of space. Now all I do is log on and delete,
without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a
“cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste
of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:54:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Not sure if I agree with the “fear” and “trust” ideas ennunciated below Nick, but I did agree with your last note, in reply to Ed Conn, about the boosters issue.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 05:40
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Someone with the incredibly unlikely name of Ed Conn wrote in part
>The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing theirbrain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??<

To which I must reply in brief.
As someone who has had mixed results with ALL treatment modalities,
including ibogaine, I’ve personally found I LIKE being able to
take ibogaine
every few months, realign my brain and body, and not do my
recovery how you
feel I must to be without “artifice.” What exactly do you mean by
that, and
how do you tell someone living in chornic pain, or was introduced
to opiates
by a doctor at some point through severe surguries and the like that they
are NOT normal or living naturally by wanting to continue to use opiates
that work to stiffle that overwhelming pain? Who the heck are you
or anyone
to tell me or anyone else what’s the best route for us to take in
terms of
our pain, our addiction, or our use patterns? Who are you? What
else do you
bring to this table other than complaints and huff?
Thanks for your time, and I look forward to a reply, but doubt
I’m going to
get one.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Hey Preston,

Without actually wishing to commence another of our long-winded arguments, I
would simply like to point out that there may well be a relationship between
the point at which you allow… “anyone to tell me or anyone else what’s the
best route for us to take in terms of our pain, our addiction, or our use
patterns”…. and healing to take place. To heal you do have to trust. A lot
of people come to ibogaine through a desire to “self-heal”, to be able to
manage their own recovery process, to stay in control of it. This is what
actually attracts them to the drug. I think the best outcome for most of
these guys is that they see clearly in the ibogaine session the fear
position beneath this need to stay in control. They realize that trust is
their actual issue. Then they can move beyond the fear and allow others in.

Nick

From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:17:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] List complainers becoming real lame.
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:43:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
Hey, do some research, there are several different beneficial molecules in the fart odour which help reduce the risk of cancer.
[Capt Kirk] (ok so that’s bullshit but when someone goes into a stream of abuse then has the gaul to say they hope they didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings (and no I did not recognise myself lol) then that’s just utter bullshit!!!! Again, I redirect you, Francis of Gaul, to the First page of the Ibogaine website. Have a good read!!
Dog bless
Kirk ;oP

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:20:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geez, where have you been? We’ve already had this discussion.

From: Ibogi Boogie Boogie [mailto:GardenRestaurant@comcast.net]  Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 7:36 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are using this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good , simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.   99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space. Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.  The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.  Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.  The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally. The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal. It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.  The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.  I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 3:36:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are using this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good , simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space. Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+ main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it. If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally. The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal. It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 30, 2005 at 2:58:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my bad, i don’t know computers and if i had any idea i’d wreck someone’s valuable peoperty , i’d have never sent it. it was kool space shots and i just wanted to share. my sincerest apologies to all affected. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

All is forgiven ron, if it makes you feel any better go right ahead and keep
venting.

I was a bit annoyed when all of that landed in my mail, please do realise that
not all of us are in the states where you take everything for granted and can
talk about poverty being someone who drives a ford taurus. Not saying i’m
destitute, i’m not, but cable is not available everywhere and in parts where it
is it can be frightfully expensive.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta
— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

you have evolved well after ibo, but you are right, i should remain
silent while others accuse me of intentionally jamming their
expensive machines knowing that for most of us (or at least me) it
represents about 1/3 of my gross income. i cop to my misdeeds but
don’t like wearing things wrongly attributed to me because i did not
have Stephen Hawkins’ grasp of the universe. do you set the bar that
high for yourself? maybe so, then my bad, point is , i know most of
us suffer financially thru our predicament and i would never
intentionally screw someone over thru this forum, or any
other…….. 5 yr. old? just gettin’ down where we can all
communicate on same level. don’t like me? neither did the heat or
snitches or screws…sorry i haven’t made it to where you are, i.e.
standing silently by drinking what’s left of my cold coffee on a
sunday morning takin’ it in the arse for trying to share something i
thought others may like. do i know all the nuances of pc’s? no, and
don’t tell me to leave it alone til i do…kind of like saying stay
high until you understand straight first. won’t work w/ me. sorry
for the inconvenience. anyone else ever send you a long email? naw,
probably not….I’m the first i suppose. sorry for the inconvenience
but i have learned some valuable lessons, thanks to you
guys …computers are unpredictable to me and easy to screw up. ever
have one go out for no fucking reason? probably not, but i have.
ibonauts are still travellers on very long journeys, they piss and
moan and groan when unexpectedly inconvenienced, like when the car
doesn’t start and yer on yer way to work. just about the time they
are patting themselves on each others backs about how far they’ve
come. maybe i’ll make it one day, maybe not, but you ain’t gonna
keepme from it cuz it’s a bad hair day. ONE LAST TIME, I”M SORRY
FOLKS..NOW SOME DOC WILL CHIME IN, THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM RON, ALWAYS
GOING OFF AND ‘POLOGIZING WHEN THE SHITE HITS THE FAN…..POOR
BASTARD. GIRL, I’D BUY YOU THAT DAMN PC IF I COULD AFFORD IT B/C IT
MAKES ME FEEL GOOD TO GET PEOPLE UNEXPECTED GIFTS. IT WOULD BE
ANONYMOUS SO’Z YOU WOULD’N’T TRASH IT B/4 YOU OPENED IT. ON WITH THE
SHOW, PLEEZE, KOKO
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta”
<vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved
again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

>
> Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop
> sending all
> this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it
> freezes up for 10
> minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even
> open once
> it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.
>
> The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems.
> Carrying on and on
> about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just
> skip over
> most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto
> the
> ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the
> ibogaine list,
> not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
> something about your problems.
>
> If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer,
> please do let
> me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your
> donation.
>
> Blessed be
> Vivienne Elanta
>
> — Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
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>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM
>>
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 1:01:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

for man I work with 18mg per mg/kg the booster will make it 22 mg/kg
in the end of the treatment.

I have followed this string with interest. All I can add is that I have
no experience with ongoing doses. Only with treatment.

I treated a girl with 14mg/kg and she started w/d (not too serious) 2 days
later. I gave her a valium shot which helped. Next day she complained of
lower back pain again. I gave her an IBO HCl capsule (about 200mg) and
all symptoms of w/d disappeared about 20 min later. No symptoms
associated with IBO was experienced from this dose, and she is still w/d
and craving free, although it is early days. And happy, I might add.

I treated another girl also with 14mg/kg. She started minor w/d the next
night, but with major anxiety. I also gave her a valium shot, but when I
attended other business the next day, she slipped her mother’s care and
scored and used H. I Thought bugger this and treated her (at her request
and with her eager participation) that night with another 10mg/kg. Her
trip was there, but not nearly as hectic as the first experience. All w/d
and anxiety disappeared and she is OK now without any medication. (She
also got rid of a few nasty friends and habits in the meantime).

I speak with them both every day or so and they are both happy and
positive.

I have not treated men who complained of major withdrawals so far. Can it
be that I must give the ladies the same dose as the men (15/kg?). Or were
these isolated cases.

Cheers all

—– Original Message ——
From: Sjonnygee .
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 14:54
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com;
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine
levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are
taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that
effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense),
I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time
treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of
dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one.
That’s what insp

From: “CHARLES” <kabel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 12:40:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have followed this string with interest. All I can add is that I have no experience with ongoing doses. Only with treatment.

I treated a girl with 14mg/kg and she started w/d (not too serious) 2 days later. I gave her a valium shot which helped. Next day she complained of lower back pain again. I gave her an IBO HCl capsule (about 200mg) and all symptoms of w/d disappeared about 20 min later. No symptoms associated with IBO was experienced from this dose, and she is still w/d and craving free, although it is early days. And happy, I might add.

I treated another girl also with 14mg/kg. She started minor w/d the next night, but with major anxiety. I also gave her a valium shot, but when I attended other business the next day, she slipped her mother’s care and scored and used H. I Thought bugger this and treated her (at her request and with her eager participation) that night with another 10mg/kg. Her trip was there, but not nearly as hectic as the first experience. All w/d and anxiety disappeared and she is OK now without any medication. (She also got rid of a few nasty friends and habits in the meantime).

I speak with them both every day or so and they are both happy and positive.

I have not treated men who complained of major withdrawals so far. Can it be that I must give the ladies the same dose as the men (15/kg?). Or were these isolated cases.

Cheers all

—– Original Message ——  From: Sjonnygee .  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 14:54  To: ibogaine@mindvox.com;   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.
Sjonny.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:33:21 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/05 5:37:31 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

Hi Sjonny,

What do you mean by residual buildup and can you provide actual dose regimens that are relevant if they are from your experience?

Thanks

Howard
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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:51:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey jasen-and everyone- i live in canada, and i take 90mg/day.i have read, i think in ‘the ibogaine story’, of people coming off 80mgs, with success, so… what do you mean by “provider”? i will check out the sites recommended, and i have surfed around a bit in the past, only i don’t have a computer at home, though i can use my cell phone to email, which is why i thought maybe i could get some direction through this group… anyhow, thanks, and i’ll keep you all posted on my progress. wish me luck!!! much love, tyler p.
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:19:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tyler, check out www.ibogaine.org if you haven’t already ! – Sjonny.

From:  “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date:  Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:15:34 -0400 (EDT)
>hello!ive not emailed the group before,but ive been
>perusing awhile.so,im about ready to drop the
>methadone,after almost 5 years,but im a little wary,as
>ive weened down to 0mg before,last summer,only to
>relapse,until my doc got me back with the
>methadone.what i am hoping for is some direction from
>someone or someones on dosage and method.i have great
>support gang for actual days of treatment,but would
>love some first hand stories of
>experiences.love,respect,and thanks!tyler p.
>
>
>
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 9:54:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.
Sjonny.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:33:21 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/05 5:37:31 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

Hi Sjonny,

What do you mean by residual buildup and can you provide actual dose regimens that are relevant if they are from your experience?

Thanks

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:57:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tyler,

Nice to hear from you,my name is Jasen.

What country and state are you from and
how much methadone are you on?

Are you considering doing the drop with Ibo’
without a provider?

If you go to some of the Ibogaine Iboga sites
you will have access to personal experiences
and a lot of other information.

I came of 60mg with Iboga in November of 2004.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?

hello!ive not emailed the group before,but ive been
perusing awhile.so,im about ready to drop the
methadone,after almost 5 years,but im a little wary,as
ive weened down to 0mg before,last summer,only to
relapse,until my doc got me back with the
methadone.what i am hoping for is some direction from
someone or someones on dosage and method.i have great
support gang for actual days of treatment,but would
love some first hand stories of
experiences.love,respect,and thanks!tyler p.

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:15:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root
Date: August 29, 2005 at 11:46:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com