Ibogaine List Archives – 2005-08

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 31, 2005 at 8:43:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Tyler,

When I say a provider, I mean a person that has administered Ibo’ before. Someone with some understanding
of what you will be going through, a caring person that knows what to do or say at the right times, or what not
to do or say.

I have been opiate free since I took Iboga in November of 2004. I have tried many things for many years and this
is working for me. nothing else has,…..for me.

I wish you luck.

love, Jasen
—– Original Message —–
From: Tyler P.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?

hey jasen-and everyone- i live in canada, and i take 90mg/day.i have read, i think in ‘the ibogaine story’, of people coming off 80mgs, with success, so… what do you mean by “provider”? i will check out the sites recommended, and i have surfed around a bit in the past, only i don’t have a computer at home, though i can use my cell phone to email, which is why i thought maybe i could get some direction through this group… anyhow, thanks, and i’ll keep you all posted on my progress. wish me luck!!! much love, tyler p.
From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:05:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Howard & Vector for the info and links.  
                                                               Sjonny.
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:17:14 EDT

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.

Sjonny,

Good questions but, I can’t give you the answers.  The only person with any data on ibogaine and noribogaine levels is Deborah Mash and I’d have to see all of her data to feel comfortable with it.  Mash is the only person to have done toxicity studies on noribogaine in the form of what are called LD50 studies where you look at the percentage of animals that die from given doses of any drug.  These studies that were in mice are also unpublished.

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most persons taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because they begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Patrick Kroupa and Hattie Wells published, “Ibogaine in the 21st Century: Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance” that is available from http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-08.htm~mainFrame

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Doses are determined by individual responses and what you are trying to achieve.  It is always good to be concerned about toxicity.  Ibogaine is considered experimental and there is a lot yet to be learned.  That could be said for everything.  If I had hard data I would share it but I don’t.

Best regards.

Howard
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Kirk !
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:50:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said Kirk , you made a succinct case against those whingeing dullards who complain about the list content – couldn’t have put it better myself. 
                                                 Sjonny.

From:  “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date:  Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:44:30 +1200
>
>Good comparisons Martee…
>I’d also like to add……when one meets new people and spends time in their
>company, whether it be in person or online, one normally has conversations
>with them, gets to know them, laughs with them, cries with them, has
>arguments with them, gets mad at them, loves them.
>As has been said before, there isn’t enough information solely about
>Ibogaine to keep a list interesting….the personalities here keep the list
>interesting. That also comes with lots of emails and unless you have no life
>(like me at the moment) sure they’re going to build up.
>Anywayyyyyyyyyy
>Lets put this one to bed again.
>And CONGRATS MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>Maybe there’s hope for me yet aye?
>Lol
>Kirk xx
>—–Original Message—–
>From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:23 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
>
>
>      When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish
>drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your
>destination.
>      When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of
>what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time,
>however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with
>the knowledge and insight you went for.
>      People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in
>anger and denegration….even junkies.  One  who perpetrates this behavior
>might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
>      If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread  they might
>consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
>       I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time
>using a delete button.  Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to
>what I do.
>                                   Been lurking lately but still send much
>love,
>
>Martee
>   I passed my one year mark and life is good!
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
>
>
> > yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
> > for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
> > most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
> > gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
> > about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
> > list,but since the topic has been
> > raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
> > imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
> > joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
> > faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..
> >
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:36:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

‘Townshend’ – Pete Townshend  – I’m a huge Who fan and a pedant !

                                         Sjonny.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:00:22 EDT

Nick, you may be right. All I know is I saw him perform the song and it moved me very much. Music has been such a big part of my life that I have all these lines running in my head and I try and get some meaning from them.  ” Long Live Rock”  (The Who)  Pete Townsed  ( I think that’s how you spell his last name.)     Love and lyrics my friend   Randy
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:31:28 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, you’ll keep mate!!!  Just watcher back!!!!
;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2005 1:31 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

WARNING! the brain of Capt Kirk is FULL. It is severely overloaded and has
to just jetison out more and more nonsense in a desperate attempt to
stabilize itself. This is a permanent failure from an automated qmail
program. I’ve given up (all hope)

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2005 03:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

oh,im not leaving!i dont agree with the nasty things
said by some.its just,there are SO MANY emails,hard to
read em all,and when many of em seem like surplus
babble,i just got a bit disenchanted.and i spoke up to
agree when i probably shouldve just hit
delete.again,im emailing when i should be
deleting!geeze!i sent 1 email seeking guidance,and now
im involving myself in a silly,and LAME discussion!
this is all a waste of our time!ha!no more for
me!ignore the b.s. and learn-teach when possible.cheers!

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:43:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed give me a break,

I’m in the middle of a treatment and it is going very well,I only got two
hours of sleep and in general only five hours a night, I don’t want to
spend my energy writing on the internet and have no results.
people come to my house to share idea’s and exploration of many other
natural gifts  beside Iboga and Ibogaine.
I have a week of exploration together with a client, I also take iboga
with my clients lots of time. my life is more fun then ever before and I
work solo,as a mother and as a provider, but together with others on art
projects,
which are not yet finnished.
I have enough to do that 24 hours are not enough.

Thanks.

Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some
inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats
exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert
attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside
to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a
lot
to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away
in
the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no
more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round
to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think
there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so
please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen
to
some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up
in
Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the
romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the
drug
thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing
to
death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’
told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho
spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain
and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in
alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of
work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I
encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because
despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering
or
wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result.
Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for
later.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)
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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine}going tribal
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:24:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All, I watched “going tribal” after coming home from the psych unit last nite -(we unfortunately watched the news ad naseum all shift, so I needed to balance out), I was pleasantly surprised how touching the program was, and he did mention ibogaine treatment for addiction in a positive note too!glad you guys are here ,love shell

edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some
inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats
exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert
attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside
to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a lot
to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away in
the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no
more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round
to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think
there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so
please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen to
some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up in
Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the
romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the drug
thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing to
death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’
told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho
spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain
and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in
alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of
work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I
encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because
despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering or
wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result.
Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for
later.

Ed.

>From: sara119@xs4all.nl
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)
>
>
>thanks ED !
>
> people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
>if they wish to do so.
>
>is that good enough,? I practice voodoo I have no shame of doing so. but I
>have no fixed tricks. I’m not a western person and have no intention to
>loose
>my believes to a westernized idealism a systematic believes.
>
>
>
>
> Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
> > been
> > conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
> > is
> > exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way.
>I
> > call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
> > would
> > be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
> > women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.
> >
> > My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to
>cause
> > thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
> > ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at
>about
> > the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
> > ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
> > result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
> > different way, and can learn to communicate that.
> >
> > A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and
>to
> > good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
> > it,
> > are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no
>free
> > will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.
> >
> > Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
> > Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
> > Africa.
> > He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
> > desire
> > to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a
>subject
> > which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
> > And
> > in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
> > dealing witht the world as it is..
> >
> > “you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
> > strategy.
> > Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving?
>Because
> > so
> > much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s
> > invent
> > the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and
> > show
> > it what it s doing, with the hope that it w
>
>
>
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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:42:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks sara,

thats exactly what I wanted, for you to talk to me directly not like some inconsequential sitting around the edges of the cyber plains, and thats exactly why I entered into ‘discussion’ the way I did, by trying to divert attention in a different way and I was’nt going to call up anyone backside to have to do that, never have and never will. It turns out I do have a lot to say and a lot of experince under my belt so I’m not going to shy away in the undergrowth, I’ve done that all my child hood and to no avail. So no more and no longer will I put my hand up in class and wait to be got round to.

I’m very aware of the faults of the western world, but honestly I think there human faults, or blind spots if you will and we’ve all got them, so please bare with me if I don’t assasinate a nation just yet. I’ll listen to some hard and fast music instead. I’m not a big man for bombs, brought up in Northern Ireland you see your fair share of them, and no I was’nt in the romantic centre of it , I was out in the suburbs.

Why do I rant on about this therapy thing?…Well because I’ve done the drug thing, I’ve done the no drug thing and I’ve done the contemplation thing to death and as luck would have it a very nice very professional ‘sensitive’ told me about ‘getting accreditation’ and off I went and found good psycho spiritual therapy and it worked wonders – it resolved great tracts of pain and also gave me tools I could work with. After having been involved in alternatrive therapy for years prior it added on top a whole new area of work. And believe me I’m not a sucker for bullshit. So likewise I encorporate it into my work and with ibogaine it works very well, because despite the cloudiness around adiction , the elements of human suffering or wounding are the same. So i’ve found my practice has gained as a result. Thats it.

I also have a personal anecdote for you but I’m going to save that for later.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:22 +0200 (CEST)

thanks ED !

people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
if they wish to do so.

is that good enough,? I practice voodoo I have no shame of doing so. but I
have no fixed tricks. I’m not a western person and have no intention to
loose
my believes to a westernized idealism a systematic believes.

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
> been
> conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
> is
> exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I
> call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
> would
> be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
> women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.
>
> My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause
> thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
> ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about
> the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
> ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
> result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
> different way, and can learn to communicate that.
>
> A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
> good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
> it,
> are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
> will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.
>
> Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
> Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
> Africa.
> He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
> desire
> to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject
> which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
> And
> in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
> dealing witht the world as it is..
>
> “you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
> strategy.
> Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving? Because
> so
> much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s
> invent
> the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and
> show
> it what it s doing, with the hope that it w

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:37:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh ya!i said faulty egos,read:liers and assholes,not
just anyone with an ego!thatd be hard to escape!ciao

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:34:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

randy!thanks for the info,and ive been trying to
apologize for making comments i shouldnt have.i do not
agree with FRANCES,it turns out.i had read a few posts
that i couldnt relate to, i guess,or someting!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:23:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i know.im shutting up now!like i said,i jumped in on a
discussion i shouldnt have!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 11:20:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i know.im shutting up now!

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 10:00:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick, you may be right. All I know is I saw him perform the song and it moved me very much. Music has been such a big part of my life that I have all these lines running in my head and I try and get some meaning from them.  ” Long Live Rock”  (The Who)  Pete Townsed  ( I think that’s how you spell his last name.)     Love and lyrics my friend   Randy

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:30:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WARNING! the brain of Capt Kirk is FULL. It is severely overloaded and has
to just jetison out more and more nonsense in a desperate attempt to
stabilize itself. This is a permanent failure from an automated qmail
program. I’ve given up (all hope)

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2005 03:35
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

oh,im not leaving!i dont agree with the nasty things
said by some.its just,there are SO MANY emails,hard to
read em all,and when many of em seem like surplus
babble,i just got a bit disenchanted.and i spoke up to
agree when i probably shouldve just hit
delete.again,im emailing when i should be
deleting!geeze!i sent 1 email seeking guidance,and now
im involving myself in a silly,and LAME discussion!
this is all a waste of our time!ha!no more for
me!ignore the b.s. and learn-teach when possible.cheers!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] methamphetamines on c-span
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:27:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Washington Journal is about to have a segment on methamphetamine on, beginning any minute. It’s 9:23 AM now, so I imagine it’ll start by 9:30. I don’t know who the guest is, but it is probably some prohibitionist or cop or ONDCP or DEA type- but I’m not sure. It could, but I doubt it, be some methhead extolling the virtues of his/her meth use, but again, I somehow doubt we’re going to get that viewpoint on C-Span.
Unless someone calls and gets through on the phone- and we all know how many methheads along with most other hard drug addicts have phones, not to mention tv and cable to go along with it, right?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 9:18:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: 31 August 2005 10:44
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal
experience has been
conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name
calling etc. is
exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort
of way. I
call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial
revolution we would
be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause
thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about
the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
different way, and can learn to communicate that.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are
doing it,
are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as
South Africa.
He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides,
its desire
to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways,
a subject
which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing
about. And
in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
dealing witht the world as it is..

“you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
strategy.
Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving?
Because so
much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said
let’s invent
the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the
mirror and show
it what it s doing, with the hope that it will seperate the mean
green meme
form legitimate healthy green. Lets expose enough people to the duplicity
and artificiality and self-serving nature of their own belief
systems around
political correctness to finally get the wword out there that there’s
something beyond that. Its a drastic measure, a rhetorical strategy to
create a symbol that will hopefully give people an understanding
that what
they are doing is actually destroying the thing they want to accomplish.”

Taken from ” What is Enlightenment” Magazine.

And this is the danger of substances and techniques which move
consciousness, there is the need for integration and progression.
It is why
traditionally in Western Africa that it is all done within a strict and
evolved on going social group. Were preparation may in some cases
go on for
weeks or months and is engaged with through a system of genuine
elders not
self apportioned ones. Like wise with all traditional practices of
‘enlightenment’ or persoanl growth/individuation. None rely on chemical
means alone, that is a western distortion puit forward by people
who maybe
run before they can walk, which can be exactly the effects of something
which boosts mental and somatic experientials so drammatically.
The negative
attribute that can come out of that is a non developing sense of self as
independent from a catalyst. Life should be the catalyst and in atruly
wholistic model is. Why are practically all Buddhist techniques human
techniques? Because we are so ingrained in human behavior, when
you rely on
something which is not human to create change you are looking at
a rapidly
untenable position, common sense should show us that.

In the words of C.G. Jung  “Every form of addiction is bad, no matter
whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism.”

I personally feel passing the message on to people seeking change
that the
world is somehow some imbalanced reprensible place in which we
all suffer is
not acceptable. You may cease someones addiction via chemical
means but what
equipment are you giving them to deal with the world on a
realistic level,
is that ethical? Freedom comes from mental liberation and allows
people, us
all to progress in to adulthood. Is that not what the traditional
model is
about, not this wishy washy magical thinking approach?

Ed

Hi all,

to add to a few threads at once –

– Ed, yes, imo, green politics is hopelessly dualistic. Gaia theory, for
example, neglects to appreciate that humans are simple thermodynamic
machines, same as everything else. The planet is NOT under threat. It is
possible that human life is, but che sera. The planet is only a product of
human consciousness anyway. People who subscribe to an “us and them” mindset
do so out of fear. This is true. Finding someone else to blame is just a
fear of taking full personal responsibility yourself. Quite a reasonable
fear in many ways. AND….All attempts to understand existence ultimately
collapse in paradox, something the con-men who write “what is enlightenment”
magazine probably neglect to point out.

– Caroline, I’m a brit! Well, anglo-iranian actually. I have a website
called ibogaine.co.uk. It doesn’t get updated much, I’m afraid, and people
only really look at it for the page where it tells you where you can get
ibogaine!

– Vector, why not just BE the messiah you know you wanna be? And stop going
on about it. You’ll get a lot of women that way! They can’t resist a good
messiah.

– Randy, it was “what’s so FUNNY about peace, love, and understanding.”
Least I’m reasonably sure.

Nick

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 8:04:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks ED !

people can to go to a conventional therapist in the city where they live,
if they wish to do so.

is that good enough,? I practice voodoo I have no shame of doing so. but I
have no fixed tricks. I’m not a western person and have no intention to
loose
my believes to a westernized idealism a systematic believes.

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has
been
conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc.
is
exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I
call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we
would
be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and
women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause
thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the
ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about
the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate
ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a
result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a
different way, and can learn to communicate that.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to
good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing
it,
are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free
will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral
Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South
Africa.
He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its
desire
to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject
which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about.
And
in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in
dealing witht the world as it is..

“you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical
strategy.
Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving? Because
so
much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s
invent
the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and
show
it what it s doing, with the hope that it w

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:40:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Caroline,
Welcome to the list. Firstly I recommend you read the starting page of Ibogaine list…so you understand just exactly what it is you’ve fallen into.
Then
A. We’re all members. Of what we’re usually not sure.
B. We try really hard to ban all Brits but they usually get thru anywayyyyyyy (looks at SonnyG and Nick nyuk nyuk) and as much as I give em heaps they still insist on staying. Sigh.
C. I’ve used Ibogaine but it was the weak version so all I can advise is be careful where you get your supplies.
Again, welcome, if you are mad enough you may even have some fun
Luff from New Zealand
Land of the lost
Kirk :o) (that’s Capt “womyn rule” Kirk)
From: Poise Consulting Ltd [mailto:caroline@poiseconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Importance: High

Hi guys…

I only found your site a few days ago. I wonder if u can give me an idea of a) how many of you are members, b) are there many other Brits? And how many of u have used  Ibogaine and finally, those of u who have used Ibogaine -how successful was the experience?

Thanks in advance

Kind regards

Caroline

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:14:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/05 1:34:05 AM, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:

The article is at:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

.:vector:

Thanks vector.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 7:13:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Caroline, I don’t know if I am a member or not, LOL, but I came around about 2 years ago when I was still very addicted, lurked for a while and then started posting. I would call my Ibogaine experience a very positive experience for me. I took mine last year Sept. the 28th. I’m still not strung out, and I still like to have fun. My treatment was rough because of the methadone I was taking, but well worth the work. As for Brits, there are quite a few that come and go. There are people posting from all over the world. Welcome to the list. Ignore the stuff you don’t like and look for your answers. There are some good people who post here that I am sure will help you out.  Love and Light             Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters Ed
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:55:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed, you seem to have a firm grasp on the English language and can turn a phrase quite well. I must state to you that no provider that I know of will treat somebody that has no plan for aftercare. We all know that Ibogaine is not the only answer to stopping our addictions. Ibogaine interrupts the addiction but the real work must be done by the individual that has decided to take the Ibogaine treatment. I personally go to 12 step meetings sometimes, I talk with a counsler, I work to spread the word about Ibogaine to those who know nothing about it, and when all else fails I put about 50 22 rounds into a stuffed Barney figure. Ya know the Barney will take a lot of rounds before giving up the ghost. The thing is that we have no cut and dried aftercare program in place for people because we have to do it in secret. Do you know how many Docs and counslers I have talked to that at first said, “Ibo who or what?” We all have to do something after Ibogaine. At this point it is up to the individual to follow through on their own aftercare. Now after it gets legalized (yea right) I have a few idea’s about a treatment program and have talked to some Docs and a bona fide shrink who think that Ibogaine is the logical way to treat an addict. Let’s change the law so we can do some study and find out what really does help the most after Ibogaine. Peace      Randy

From: “Poise Consulting Ltd” <caroline@poiseconsulting.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] New to this list – please can u all get back to me. Thank you!
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:29:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi guys…

I only found your site a few days ago. I wonder if u can give me an idea of a) how many of you are members, b) are there many other Brits? And how many of u have used  Ibogaine and finally, those of u who have used Ibogaine -how successful was the experience?

Thanks in advance

Kind regards

Caroline

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 31, 2005 at 6:12:03 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 5:20:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca writes:

imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo

Dude, I’m an egomaniac with an inferiority complex. LOL  I recommend you going to the next conference or Harm Reduction thing that always includes Ibogaine people on the panel. Take a good look around the room at the leaders in the movements, not just the Ibogane movement, and then tell me that having an EGO is a problem. Ego’s manifest themselves in good and bad ways. Some people are really trying to help and are actively doing things to make a difference. Some people just sit at their computers and bitch about what they are doing nothing to change. I know what I’m doing to help, and I feel good about it. This list saved my ass numerous times. Back when I was addicted to methadone ( and everything I could shoot to get past the done) I bitched and cried a lot, but I also laughed real hard when the funny posts came up. I needed everyone of those post. SOOOOOOO in the meantime did you here the one about the junky…………….. never mind, I guess you don’t like to laugh. Seriously tho, if you are looking for clinical effects and the results of the testing on Ibogaine and it’s derivitives, Patrick has a link on the homepage to more than most minds could comprehend. Also check out Howard’s dosier on treatment. It’s on the Dora Weiner Foundation web page I think. Come to think of it I think I should be re-reading some of that info. Thanx for making me think of it.   Randy

From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:43:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Its interesting how what I shared about my own personal experience has been conveniently ignored and in fact what you say I do i.e name calling etc. is exactly what you are doing here but in a snidey play ground sort of way. I call a spade a spade and if it was’nt for the industrial revolution we would be living in a barn yard feudal society were witches would be burned and women and men at that dying from plague by the age of 35.

My explanation was, which againe gets ignored (conveniently) was to cause thought, thats a product of the industrial revolution’s mind set, the ability to cognate. Think independently, children start to do it at about the age of six. Ibogaine when it works well has the ability to stimulate ares of the brain and as a result stimulate things like cognition, as a result people learn and ‘see’ them selves and their surroundings in a different way, and can learn to communicate that.

A booster may well and I have used it as such months down the line and to good effect, but it is also not neccessarily the spirits that are doing it, are they also creating the famines then, and so man is help less, no free will only caught up in a voodoo world..mmph.

Let me share with you something from Dr Don Beck a proponent of Spiral Dynamics and pioneer in moving social theory in places such as South Africa. He is talking about the ‘green movement’ and its negative sides, its desire to look at the world through fragmented and non integrated ways, a subject which Ken Wilber the transpersonal theorist is currently writing about. And in some way goes to explain the difficulties that the ‘green’ s have in dealing witht the world as it is..

“you see, the whole idea of the ‘mean green meme’ is a rhetorical strategy. Ken and I asked: how do we uncap green? How do we keep it moving? Because so much of it has become a stagnant pond, in our view. So we said let’s invent the mean geen meme. Let’s shaame it a bit, lets hold up the mirror and show it what it s doing, with the hope that it will seperate the mean green meme form legitimate healthy green. Lets expose enough people to the duplicity and artificiality and self-serving nature of their own belief systems around political correctness to finally get the wword out there that there’s something beyond that. Its a drastic measure, a rhetorical strategy to create a symbol that will hopefully give people an understanding that what they are doing is actually destroying the thing they want to accomplish.”

Taken from ” What is Enlightenment” Magazine.

And this is the danger of substances and techniques which move consciousness, there is the need for integration and progression. It is why traditionally in Western Africa that it is all done within a strict and evolved on going social group. Were preparation may in some cases go on for weeks or months and is engaged with through a system of genuine elders not self apportioned ones. Like wise with all traditional practices of ‘enlightenment’ or persoanl growth/individuation. None rely on chemical means alone, that is a western distortion puit forward by people who maybe run before they can walk, which can be exactly the effects of something which boosts mental and somatic experientials so drammatically. The negative attribute that can come out of that is a non developing sense of self as independent from a catalyst. Life should be the catalyst and in atruly wholistic model is. Why are practically all Buddhist techniques human techniques? Because we are so ingrained in human behavior, when you rely on something which is not human to create change you are looking at a rapidly untenable position, common sense should show us that.

In the words of C.G. Jung  “Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism.”

I personally feel passing the message on to people seeking change that the world is somehow some imbalanced reprensible place in which we all suffer is not acceptable. You may cease someones addiction via chemical means but what equipment are you giving them to deal with the world on a realistic level, is that ethical? Freedom comes from mental liberation and allows people, us all to progress in to adulthood. Is that not what the traditional model is about, not this wishy washy magical thinking approach?

Ed

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:48:46 +0200 (CEST)

> Hi Randy ,

thanks for sharing this wonderful news.
I’m glad to know that you feel that way.

being a control freak,playing mind games of shame, guilt,
sticking lables on people is just as well addictive.it is the brainwashing
social
mechanism, started when the industrial time started.
thinking from an anarchist point of view.

take care,

S.

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10
> months
> from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying
> that
> it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the
> love
> again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even
> before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can
> anyone
> argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying,
> I
> don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing
> that I
> have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I
> think
> you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the
> teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade.
> Randy
>

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Glad 2 hear u Randy.
Date: August 31, 2005 at 5:12:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yay, so glad to hear you’re ok, it’s a bit hard looking at a map and trying to figure out where everyone is (geez, took me ages to find the weirdly named and sounding place that TINKERSMELLS lives in LOL)
And yehhh wow what an amazing gesture that would be, a blues jam to raise money.  Brilliant idea. Might put it to the Muso’s club here as well.  Kiwis have always been pretty good at raising money for overseas stuff cos really, we don’t get the extremes like other parts of the world.  We have just gotten thru the most amazingly calm and warm winter with the first of spring upon us tomorrow and daffodils and blossoms blooming early, but that also makes me wonder if it’s gonna be a late one….stay tuned!!
I think we’re out of that weather cycle, we shouldn’t see any effects, but then again, a butterfly wing etc… (mind you if that were true, what the heck are the windmills for power going to do to the planet??????? Hmmm)
Great to see your voice back too Randy!
Where the heck is tink??? Come on girl, learn to type with your feet!!!!  Or mouth!! Wahtever just get your voice back here! We need some more babble around here!!
Luff n lite
Kirk :o)
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 8:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?

Kirky, I’m from the southern US but am living up north now. We are just now getting the rain from Katrina. It has pretty much petered out and is bringing winds around 25 miles an hour and lots of rain. No worries here. Thanx for your concern. I’ve been watching the weather and news channels since it all began and feel so bad for the people in New Orleans, Biloxi, Gulfport and so on.I’d like to put together a jam for the people so effected by this storm and send the Red Cross the money we make. What better way to show respect for New Orleans than to play some free flowin’ blues and boogie and make someone smile. That’s what the music is all about down there. It looks like Guam and the Phillipines are going to get hit with a cyclone. I hope you don’t see any effects from those storms. Much love as always my friend.            Randy

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:48:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy ,

thanks for sharing this wonderful news.
I’m glad to know that you feel that way.

being a control freak,playing mind games of shame, guilt,
sticking lables on people is just as well addictive.it is the brainwashing
social
mechanism, started when the industrial time started.
thinking from an anarchist point of view.

take care,

S.

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10
months
from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying
that
it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the
love
again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even
before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can
anyone
argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying,
I
don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing
that I
have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I
think
you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the
teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade.
Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:40:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirky, I’m from the southern US but am living up north now. We are just now getting the rain from Katrina. It has pretty much petered out and is bringing winds around 25 miles an hour and lots of rain. No worries here. Thanx for your concern. I’ve been watching the weather and news channels since it all began and feel so bad for the people in New Orleans, Biloxi, Gulfport and so on.I’d like to put together a jam for the people so effected by this storm and send the Red Cross the money we make. What better way to show respect for New Orleans than to play some free flowin’ blues and boogie and make someone smile. That’s what the music is all about down there. It looks like Guam and the Phillipines are going to get hit with a cyclone. I hope you don’t see any effects from those storms. Much love as always my friend.            Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 4:23:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can say from my experience in just taking a booster after about 10 months from my big treatment that the booster did help me. I am in no way saying that it will help everyone, but it helped me. I feel re-energized, I feel the love again so to speak. Ibogaine changed my life In a great big good way. Even before the booster. I aint perfect, but I aint addicted anymore. How can anyone argue with that? Although I’m sure someone will piss on what I am saying, I don’t care, I have a real good piss……. I mean rain coat. The one thing that I have noticed is that no one gets the same thing from the experience. I think you get what you need from the drug. Some people are just oblivious to the teachings of our ancesters. Pay attention or you don’t get a good grade.          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Martee
Date: August 31, 2005 at 3:58:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey my friend, how are you. I am so glad to see you writing to the list again. We need your input here. Well, I need your input here. You have helped me thru some tuff times and I am so glad that you and your sis are doing well and living happy. THAT is what Ibogaine is all about. ” What’s so hard about peace love and understanding?” (Elivis Costello)    Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2005 at 3:42:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 8:23:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Francis writes:

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are
>using  this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art
>in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
>time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL  life

I do believe that by posting here anyone has a real life. Just one that you don’t agree with. I see you come and go occasionally, and every time you come back you have venom to spew. Feel the love or go fuck yourself. Your choice. Read what Patrick has to say about the list on the homepage. This list has been here for us lowlifes a lot longer than you have been around. Everyone is welcome. Eventually the assholes get chased off. If it is clinical information you are looking for Patrick has a great list of articles if you are smart enough to find it and have enough of a brain to comprehend what is written. You and I have been thru this before. And by the way would you at least TRY and spell rite? It is anoying to reed thi bulshit you putt oit and figyer what thi hel it is yuu are triing to say.    Love and stricnine      Randy

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 1:33:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

While I can’t answer the question and don’t know anything about Dr.
Mash’s secret data horde or Dr. Kroupa’s results from playing mad
scientist 😉 I do know that URL puts you in the middle of the series
Patrick wrote for Heroin Times 😉

The article is at:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

.:vector:.

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that
Noribogaine levels
can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are
taken within
short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect.
That’s what
I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you
can provide
an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time
treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what
sort of dosage would
be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what
inspired
my concern about toxicity.

Sjonny,

Good questions but, I can’t give you the answers.   The only person
with any
data on ibogaine and noribogaine levels is Deborah Mash and I’d have
to see
all of her data to feel comfortable with it.   Mash is the only
person to have
done toxicity studies on noribogaine in the form of what are called
LD50
studies where you look at the percentage of animals that die from
given doses of any
drug.   These studies that were in mice are also unpublished.

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most
persons
taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because
they
begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Patrick Kroupa and Hattie Wells published, “Ibogaine in the 21st
Century:
Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance” that is available from
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-08.htm~mainFrame

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Doses are determined by individual responses and what you are trying
to
achieve.   It is always good to be concerned about toxicity.
Ibogaine is
considered experimental and there is a lot yet to be learned.   That
could be said for
everything.   If I had hard data I would share it but I don’t.

Best regards.

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 31, 2005 at 12:17:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/30/05 10:02:48 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.

Sjonny,

Good questions but, I can’t give you the answers.  The only person with any data on ibogaine and noribogaine levels is Deborah Mash and I’d have to see all of her data to feel comfortable with it.  Mash is the only person to have done toxicity studies on noribogaine in the form of what are called LD50 studies where you look at the percentage of animals that die from given doses of any drug.  These studies that were in mice are also unpublished.

What we do know from reports that have come to this list is that most persons taking low dose ibogaine usually stop after about two weeks because they begin to feel run down or, just want to stop.

Patrick Kroupa and Hattie Wells published, “Ibogaine in the 21st Century: Boosters, Tune-ups and Maintenance” that is available from http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-08.htm~mainFrame

Just scroll down till you see it or search google for the article.

Doses are determined by individual responses and what you are trying to achieve.  It is always good to be concerned about toxicity.  Ibogaine is considered experimental and there is a lot yet to be learned.  That could be said for everything.  If I had hard data I would share it but I don’t.

Best regards.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 11:35:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Franics wrote, just before extending us god’s blessing >I think that the
loosers who are using  this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL life <

Who ARE you discussing here Francis, because I haven’t yet seen anyone on this list “justfying their own failure with ibogaine,” or at least not lately. Could you please be more specific? Thanks. I’d be interested in knowing who here has taken ibogaine, feel it was a failure, yet stayed to continue posting even though they felt taking ibogaine was a failure of an idea.
Again, thanks Francis, and have a great evening.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “jerry harville” <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

All,

I must disagree with your post. I find something
everyday that is exciting, insightful and
entertaining.I have seen many list’s die out because
of a lack of posts by the likes of the three you
denigrate. Best regards, Jerry

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
wrote:

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof
and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals
in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d
appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the
loosers who are using  this list to show their
pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing
theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a
REAL  life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they
could hear some good , simple, practical advices but
unfortunately they are too busy listening to the
echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the
small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the
feeling that they are the same type of people who
will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of
theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope
I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s
who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–   From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight,
and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a
waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete,
without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value
H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight
that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment,
I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational
drug and combining it with other drugs shows the
total ignorance of the people who responded
positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine
that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.
It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will
always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a
“cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste
of space post on Mindvox.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 11:32:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…<

I dunno, for a first post you’re making useful, timeworthy postings chock full of helpful info and links to further explor…oh, wait, that musta been someone else.
No, seriously, instead of complaining about how other people’s posts are “a drag,” or “lame” why not actually contribute a thread YOU or YOU oh so cheerful Francis would like to dicuss here.
I mean it. What’s with all the complaining about list content when you aren’t making ANY worthwhile or otherwise posts to the list EXCEPT to bitch and moan about other people’s posts? Why do you bother? Why not simply unsubscribe if you’re that bothered by a “few” people who post more than others do here?
Out of curiosity?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:59:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk,
I believe there exists just truckloads of hope for you.
Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)

Good comparisons Martee…
I’d also like to add……when one meets new people and spends time in their
company, whether it be in person or online, one normally has conversations
with them, gets to know them, laughs with them, cries with them, has
arguments with them, gets mad at them, loves them.
As has been said before, there isn’t enough information solely about
Ibogaine to keep a list interesting….the personalities here keep the list
interesting. That also comes with lots of emails and unless you have no life
(like me at the moment) sure they’re going to build up.
Anywayyyyyyyyyy
Lets put this one to bed again.
And CONGRATS MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Maybe there’s hope for me yet aye?
Lol
Kirk xx
—–Original Message—–
From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:23 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish
drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your
destination.
When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of
what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time,
however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with
the knowledge and insight you went for.
People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in
anger and denegration….even junkies.  One  who perpetrates this behavior
might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread  they might
consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time
using a delete button.  Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to
what I do.
Been lurking lately but still send much
love,

Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RANDY!! hurricane katrina… u ok?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:45:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just watching the aftermath of Katrina, wow, what a huge disaster… my
thoughts are with all those hurt by the hurricane, and who have lost loved
ones.  I hope nobody on this list was there or lost anyone.

Randy, don’t you live down there somewhere??? Please write let us know you
are ok.

Love n light

Kirk xoxo

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Well said Martee :o)
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:44:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good comparisons Martee…
I’d also like to add……when one meets new people and spends time in their
company, whether it be in person or online, one normally has conversations
with them, gets to know them, laughs with them, cries with them, has
arguments with them, gets mad at them, loves them.
As has been said before, there isn’t enough information solely about
Ibogaine to keep a list interesting….the personalities here keep the list
interesting. That also comes with lots of emails and unless you have no life
(like me at the moment) sure they’re going to build up.
Anywayyyyyyyyyy
Lets put this one to bed again.
And CONGRATS MARTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Maybe there’s hope for me yet aye?
Lol
Kirk xx
—–Original Message—–
From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:23 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish
drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your
destination.
When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of
what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time,
however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with
the knowledge and insight you went for.
People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in
anger and denegration….even junkies.  One  who perpetrates this behavior
might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread  they might
consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time
using a delete button.  Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to
what I do.
Been lurking lately but still send much
love,

Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —–
From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:34:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Careful there Tyler, you are verging on surplus babble there!
;o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 2:10 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

oh,im not leaving!i dont agree with the nasty things
said by some.its just,there are SO MANY emails,hard to
read em all,and when many of em seem like surplus
babble,i just got a bit disenchanted.and i spoke up to
agree when i probably shouldve just hit
delete.again,im emailing when i should be
deleting!geeze!i sent 1 email seeking guidance,and now
im involving myself in a silly,and LAME discussion!
this is all a waste of our time!ha!no more for
me!ignore the b.s. and learn-teach when possible.cheers!

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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:22:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When you get on a highway there are always arrogant, selfish, foolish drivers yet you still will use that road and none the less reach your destination.
When you visit a bookstore or library there is an amazing amount of what one perceives to be lame, nonsensical and a giant waste of their time, however you can still find things there that for you will provide you with the knowledge and insight you went for.
People genereally don’t respond to stuff that is shoved at them in anger and denegration….even junkies.  One  who perpetrates this behavior might possibly examine their own shortcomings in these instances.
If someone is looking for an inteligent informative thread  they might consider starting one themselves and see what comes of it.
I’ve also never sprained a finger or thought it was a waste of time using a delete button.  Knowing what I don’t care for brings me closer to what I do.
Been lurking lately but still send much love,
Martee
I passed my one year mark and life is good!
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:17:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

now i think THIS is the one i shouldve waited to agree
with!i jumped in on something i wasnt even informed
about!silly me!vector,you said it!stop with the
anger,ignore what you dont want to read!simple!

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:10:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh,im not leaving!i dont agree with the nasty things
said by some.its just,there are SO MANY emails,hard to
read em all,and when many of em seem like surplus
babble,i just got a bit disenchanted.and i spoke up to
agree when i probably shouldve just hit
delete.again,im emailing when i should be
deleting!geeze!i sent 1 email seeking guidance,and now
im involving myself in a silly,and LAME discussion!
this is all a waste of our time!ha!no more for
me!ignore the b.s. and learn-teach when possible.cheers!

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: August 30, 2005 at 8:22:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To ask a simple question, why is it that people who like to talk about
god and love, or in your case specifically quote out of the bible,
always seem to fill up their messages with the ugliest and angriest
thoughts that do nothing except disrespect people?

You reposted some message from 3 months ago to restart shit, there
isn’t any other possible reason to put it out there.

Not to point any fingers, but to add it up and do some math.

Many of the messianic personalities who spew bile here and disrespect
everyone, are the same ones using this very list to find new customers,
clients, patients, however you want to call them. Treating them with
ibogaine, which is a schedule 1 substance in the country you live in,
so you’re using this list to commit felonies, make money, help people
in theory and on top of all of that you’re still angry and bitter,
while talking about love and healing.

What am I missing, why doesn’t this make any sense?

Maybe the top 5 of the angriest messianic personalities who feel they
aren’t getting enough attention or airtime, should get together and
petition Mindvox to build them a shrine. Would that help?

I often don’t have the time to read this list either, when I see 500
new messages, yes I admit that I pick the 3 or 4 names I’m interested
in and skip the rest, but why does it make you so angry that people
with drug problems are talking here? Is attacking and belittling them
supposed to cause some great healing to happen?

I really don’t get it. If you’re so angry about everything, then just
leave, it’s not like anyone is going to miss these gems you write.

.:vector:.

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net> wrote:

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately
delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare
important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s
etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar
treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are
using  this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art
in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL  life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good
, simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy
listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the
small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they
are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy
the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I
didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s  who recognized
themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 7:17:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

—–Original Message—–
From: Tyler P. [mailto:thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 9:18 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root
Date: August 30, 2005 at 6:16:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Now playing:  Led Zeppelin, “When the levee breaks.”  That kind of concern is a big part of why Jeff shook the hooks off himself.<

Egad, yeah, and it’s getting worse for those in NO right now, not better.
And of course, as has been pointed out by many elsewhere today, those most affected by the hurricane were the black folk of NO- just like with the war on drugs, it’s often the poor and minority who find themselves brushed with a great big target, or brushed aside with a big “who cares?”

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:46 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root

You have a point, Ed, about the economics of this treatment.  Although at least in the U.S., the underground movement of addict self-determinationists isn’t really about making money.  Atall.

If this were about the Benjamins, the pharmy companies would have been all over it a while ago.  This is about liberation.  Unsprungness.  Not shackled, hand-cuffed, whatever.  Freedom.

How did Dana put it recently:  it makes you think and it makes you horny, and that’s revolutionary besides all the sacred dimensions and shaman stuff.

But you keep treating it like just another drug, Ed.  It is a magical potency of profound medical importance. An amazing grace…

Thanks for posting Howard’s new foreword, Lee, and HoLo, thanks for sharing so much.

I wonder if the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation would fund the Ibogaine Project. Or is that corporate whoredom?

Or have Patrick and Posse burned that bridge looooong ago??  Fuck, whaddooeye kNOw about that hacker-pride stuff anyhoo?  Nada colada.

It was both a freakout and an honor to hang by that playground, Preston, ‘tho I didn’t get to mingle nearly enough with the friendly faces, and after a while we got thirsty for some beers & split.   Alcohol and tobacco – it’s so legal it’s practically conformist.

Now playing:  Led Zeppelin, “When the levee breaks.”  That kind of concern is a big part of why Jeff shook the hooks off himself.

love, rachel

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From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:54:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All,

I must disagree with your post. I find something
everyday that is exciting, insightful and
entertaining.I have seen many list’s die out because
of a lack of posts by the likes of the three you
denigrate. Best regards, Jerry

— Ibogi Boogie Boogie <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
wrote:

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof
and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals
in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d
appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the
loosers who are using  this list to show their
pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing
theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more
time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a
REAL  life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they
could hear some good , simple, practical advices but
unfortunately they are too busy listening to the
echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the
small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the
feeling that they are the same type of people who
will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of
theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope
I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s
who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight,
and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a
waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete,
without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people
(who I immediately delete when I see any post from
them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value
H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight
that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment,
I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to
Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational
drug and combining it with other drugs shows the
total ignorance of the people who responded
positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine
that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.
It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will
always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a
“cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste
of space post on Mindvox.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:54:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Not sure if I agree with the “fear” and “trust” ideas ennunciated below Nick, but I did agree with your last note, in reply to Ed Conn,  about the boosters issue.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 05:40
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Someone with the incredibly unlikely name of Ed Conn wrote in part
>The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing theirbrain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??<

To which I must reply in brief.
As someone who has had mixed results with ALL treatment modalities,
including ibogaine, I’ve personally found I LIKE being able to
take ibogaine
every few months, realign my brain and body, and not do my
recovery how you
feel I must to be without “artifice.” What exactly do you mean by
that, and
how do you tell someone living in chornic pain, or was introduced
to opiates
by a doctor at some point through severe surguries and the like that they
are NOT normal or living naturally by wanting to continue to use opiates
that work to stiffle that overwhelming pain? Who the heck are you
or anyone
to tell me or anyone else what’s the best route for us to take in
terms of
our pain, our addiction, or our use patterns? Who are you? What
else do you
bring to this table other than complaints and huff?
Thanks for your time, and I look forward to a reply, but doubt
I’m going to
get one.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Hey Preston,

Without actually wishing to commence another of our long-winded arguments, I
would simply like to point out that there may well be a relationship between
the point at which you allow… “anyone to tell me or anyone else what’s the
best route for us to take in terms of our pain, our addiction, or our use
patterns”…. and healing to take place. To heal you do have to trust. A lot
of people come to ibogaine through a desire to “self-heal”, to be able to
manage their own recovery process, to stay in control of it. This is what
actually attracts them to the drug. I think the best outcome for most of
these guys is that they see clearly in the ibogaine session the fear
position beneath this need to stay in control. They realize that trust is
their actual issue. Then they can move beyond the fear and allow others in.

Nick

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 5:17:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yes,YES!!!i agree!i have been subscribed to this list
for,i dunno,a good few months anyhow,and have,for the
most part,been deleting the bulk of the email without
gaining much if anything at all from them.i was not
about to mention this in my 1st contribution to the
list,but since the topic has been
raised,well…anyhow,theres not much can be done,i
imagine.most sites and groups worth checking out or
joining end up overrun with nonsense from people with
faulty egos,it would seem,and that IS lame.toodle-doo..

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] List complainers becoming real lame.
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:43:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s  who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
Hey, do some research, there are several different beneficial molecules in the fart odour which help reduce the risk of cancer.
[Capt Kirk] (ok so that’s bullshit but when someone goes into a stream of abuse then has the gaul to say they hope they didn’t hurt anyone’s feelings (and no I did not recognise myself lol) then that’s just utter bullshit!!!! Again, I redirect you, Francis of Gaul, to the First page of the Ibogaine website.  Have a good read!!
Dog bless
Kirk ;oP

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:20:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geez, where have you been?  We’ve already had this discussion.

From: Ibogi Boogie Boogie [mailto:GardenRestaurant@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 7:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are using  this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL  life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good , simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the  small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s  who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details. 

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: August 30, 2005 at 3:36:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You wrote :

“The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.”
AND …
Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

## I absolutely agree with you …. I think that the loosers who are using  this list to show their pseudo writing talent and theirs art in justifing theit own failure with Ibogaine should dedicate more time to their own recovery and to learn how to get a REAL  life

.If they could shut up for a while, maybee they could hear some good , simple, practical advices but unfortunately they are too busy listening to the echo of theirs own bullshit coming through the  small net of theirs pitfull followers.

When I am reading their E-Mail I always have the feeling that they are the same type of people who will go under their blanket to enjoy the odors of theirs own farts. This is just my opinion and I hope I didn’t hurt anyone feelings specialy the one’s  who recognized themselves in my description.

God Bless
Francis
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 30, 2005 at 2:58:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my bad, i don’t know computers and if i had any idea i’d wreck someone’s valuable peoperty , i’d have never sent it. it was kool  space shots and  i just wanted to share.  my sincerest apologies to all affected. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

All is forgiven ron, if it makes you feel any better go right ahead and keep
venting.

I was a bit annoyed when all of that landed in my mail, please do realise that
not all of us are in the states where you take everything for granted and can
talk about poverty being someone who drives a ford taurus. Not saying i’m
destitute, i’m not, but cable is not available everywhere and in parts where it
is it can be frightfully expensive.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta
— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

you have evolved well after ibo, but you are right, i should remain
silent while others accuse me of intentionally jamming their
expensive machines knowing that for most of us (or at least me) it
represents about 1/3 of my gross income.  i cop to my misdeeds but
don’t like wearing things wrongly attributed to me because i did not
have Stephen Hawkins’ grasp of the universe.  do you set the bar that
high for yourself? maybe so, then my bad, point is , i know most of
us suffer financially thru our predicament and i would never
intentionally screw someone over thru this forum, or any
other……..  5 yr. old?  just gettin’ down where we can all
communicate on same level.  don’t like me?  neither did the heat or
snitches or screws…sorry i haven’t made it to where you are, i.e.
standing silently by drinking what’s left of my cold coffee on a
sunday morning takin’ it in the arse for trying to share something i
thought others may like.  do i know all the nuances of pc’s?  no, and
don’t tell me to leave it alone til i do…kind of like saying stay
high until you understand straight first. won’t work w/ me.  sorry
for the inconvenience.  anyone else ever send you a long email?  naw,
probably not….I’m the first i suppose.  sorry for the inconvenience
but i have learned some valuable lessons, thanks to you
guys …computers are unpredictable to me and easy to screw up.  ever
have one go out for no fucking reason?  probably not, but i have.
ibonauts are still travellers on very long journeys, they piss and
moan and groan when unexpectedly inconvenienced, like when the car
doesn’t start and yer on yer way to work.  just about the time they
are patting themselves on each others backs about how far they’ve
come.  maybe i’ll make it one day, maybe not, but you ain’t gonna
keepme from it cuz it’s  a bad hair day.  ONE LAST TIME, I”M SORRY
FOLKS..NOW SOME DOC WILL CHIME IN,  THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM RON, ALWAYS
GOING OFF AND ‘POLOGIZING WHEN THE SHITE HITS THE FAN…..POOR
BASTARD.  GIRL, I’D BUY YOU THAT DAMN PC IF I COULD AFFORD IT B/C IT
MAKES ME FEEL GOOD  TO GET PEOPLE UNEXPECTED GIFTS.  IT WOULD BE
ANONYMOUS SO’Z YOU WOULD’N’T TRASH IT B/4 YOU OPENED IT.  ON WITH THE
SHOW, PLEEZE, KOKO
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta”
<vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved
again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

>
> Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop
> sending all
> this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it
> freezes up for 10
> minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even
> open once
> it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.
>
> The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems.
> Carrying on and on
> about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just
> skip over
> most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto
> the
> ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the
> ibogaine list,
> not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
> something about your problems.
>
> If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer,
> please do let
> me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your
> donation.
>
> Blessed be
> Vivienne Elanta
>
> — Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 1:01:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

for man I work with 18mg per mg/kg  the booster will make it 22 mg/kg
in the end of the treatment.

I have followed this string with interest.  All I can add is that I have
no experience with ongoing doses.  Only with treatment.

I treated a girl with 14mg/kg and she started w/d (not too serious) 2 days
later.  I gave her a valium shot which helped.  Next day she complained of
lower back pain again.  I gave  her an IBO HCl capsule (about 200mg) and
all symptoms of w/d disappeared about 20 min later.  No symptoms
associated with IBO was experienced from this dose, and she is still w/d
and craving free, although it is early days.  And happy, I might add.

I treated another girl also with 14mg/kg.  She started minor w/d the next
night, but with major anxiety.  I also gave her a valium shot, but when I
attended other business the next day, she slipped her mother’s care and
scored and used H.  I Thought bugger this and treated her (at her request
and with her eager participation) that night with another 10mg/kg.  Her
trip was there, but not nearly as hectic as the first experience.  All w/d
and anxiety disappeared and she is OK now without any medication.  (She
also got rid of a few nasty friends and habits in the meantime).

I speak with them both every day or so and they are both happy and
positive.

I have not treated men who complained of major withdrawals so far.  Can it
be that I must give the ladies the same dose as the men (15/kg?).  Or were
these isolated cases.

Cheers all

—– Original Message ——
From: Sjonnygee .
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 14:54
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com;
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine
levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are
taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that
effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense),
I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time
treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of
dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one.
That’s what insp

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From: “CHARLES” <kabel@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 12:40:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have followed this string with interest.  All I can add is that I have no experience with ongoing doses.  Only with treatment.

I treated a girl with 14mg/kg and she started w/d (not too serious) 2 days later.  I gave her a valium shot which helped.  Next day she complained of lower back pain again.  I gave  her an IBO HCl capsule (about 200mg) and all symptoms of w/d disappeared about 20 min later.  No symptoms associated with IBO was experienced from this dose, and she is still w/d and craving free, although it is early days.  And happy, I might add.

I treated another girl also with 14mg/kg.  She started minor w/d the next night, but with major anxiety.  I also gave her a valium shot, but when I attended other business the next day, she slipped her mother’s care and scored and used H.  I Thought bugger this and treated her (at her request and with her eager participation) that night with another 10mg/kg.  Her trip was there, but not nearly as hectic as the first experience.  All w/d and anxiety disappeared and she is OK now without any medication.  (She also got rid of a few nasty friends and habits in the meantime).

I speak with them both every day or so and they are both happy and positive.

I have not treated men who complained of major withdrawals so far.  Can it be that I must give the ladies the same dose as the men (15/kg?).  Or were these isolated cases.

Cheers all

—– Original Message ——
 From: Sjonnygee .
 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 14:54
 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; 
 Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.
Sjonny.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:33:21 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/05 5:37:31 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

Hi Sjonny,

What do you mean by residual buildup and can you provide actual dose regimens that are relevant if they are from your experience?

Thanks

Howard
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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:51:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey jasen-and everyone- i live in canada, and i take 90mg/day.i have read, i think in ‘the ibogaine story’, of people coming off 80mgs, with success, so… what do you mean by “provider”? i will check out the sites recommended, and i have surfed around a bit in the past, only i don’t have a computer at home, though i can use my cell phone to email, which is why i thought maybe i could get some direction through this group… anyhow, thanks, and i’ll keep you all posted on my progress. wish me luck!!! much love, tyler p.
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 10:19:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tyler, check out www.ibogaine.org if you haven’t already !  – Sjonny.

From:  “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date:  Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:15:34 -0400 (EDT)
>hello!ive not emailed the group before,but ive been
>perusing awhile.so,im about ready to drop the
>methadone,after almost 5 years,but im a little wary,as
>ive weened down to 0mg before,last summer,only to
>relapse,until my doc got me back with the
>methadone.what i am hoping for is some direction from
>someone or someones on dosage and method.i have great
>support gang for actual days of treatment,but would
>love some first hand stories of
>experiences.love,respect,and thanks!tyler p.
>
>
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 30, 2005 at 9:54:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,
I may be completely mistaken here but I had an idea that Noribogaine levels can build up insidiously to toxic levels if repeated doses are taken within short time periods – I read (or misread) something to that effect. That’s what I meant by residual build up (if that makes sense), I’m sure you can provide an answer and some clarity to this.
Regarding dose regimens, the only experience I have is a one time treatment(1.2grms). What I really wanted to know was roughly what sort of dosage would be used for a booster and how often could you take one. That’s what inspired my concern about toxicity.
Sjonny.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:33:21 EDT

In a message dated 8/28/05 5:37:31 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

Hi Sjonny,

What do you mean by residual buildup and can you provide actual dose regimens that are relevant if they are from your experience?

Thanks

Howard
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:57:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tyler,

Nice to hear from you,my name is Jasen.

What country and state are you from and
how much methadone are you on?

Are you considering doing the drop with Ibo’
without a provider?

If you go to some of the Ibogaine Iboga sites
you will have access to personal experiences
and a lot of other information.

I came of 60mg with Iboga in November of 2004.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?

hello!ive not emailed the group before,but ive been
perusing awhile.so,im about ready to drop the
methadone,after almost 5 years,but im a little wary,as
ive weened down to 0mg before,last summer,only to
relapse,until my doc got me back with the
methadone.what i am hoping for is some direction from
someone or someones on dosage and method.i have great
support gang for actual days of treatment,but would
love some first hand stories of
experiences.love,respect,and thanks!tyler p.

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From: “Tyler P.” <thegoodkingnado@yahoo.ca>
Subject: [Ibogaine] methadone detassling with ibogaine?
Date: August 30, 2005 at 4:15:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hello!ive not emailed the group before,but ive been
perusing awhile.so,im about ready to drop the
methadone,after almost 5 years,but im a little wary,as
ive weened down to 0mg before,last summer,only to
relapse,until my doc got me back with the
methadone.what i am hoping for is some direction from
someone or someones on dosage and method.i have great
support gang for actual days of treatment,but would
love some first hand stories of
experiences.love,respect,and thanks!tyler p.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] fund-raising for those in need of freedom root
Date: August 29, 2005 at 11:46:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You have a point, Ed, about the economics of this treatment.  Although at least in the U.S., the underground movement of addict self-determinationists isn’t really about making money.  Atall.

If this were about the Benjamins, the pharmy companies would have been all over it a while ago.  This is about liberation.  Unsprungness.  Not shackled, hand-cuffed, whatever.  Freedom.

How did Dana put it recently:  it makes you think and it makes you horny, and that’s revolutionary besides all the sacred dimensions and shaman stuff.

But you keep treating it like just another drug, Ed.  It is a magical potency of profound medical importance. An amazing grace…

Thanks for posting Howard’s new foreword, Lee, and HoLo, thanks for sharing so much.

I wonder if the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation would fund the Ibogaine Project. Or is that corporate whoredom?

Or have Patrick and Posse burned that bridge looooong ago??  Fuck, whaddooeye kNOw about that hacker-pride stuff anyhoo?  Nada colada.

It was both a freakout and an honor to hang by that playground, Preston, ‘tho I didn’t get to mingle nearly enough with the friendly faces, and after a while we got thirsty for some beers & split.   Alcohol and tobacco – it’s so legal it’s practically conformist.

Now playing:  Led Zeppelin, “When the levee breaks.”  That kind of concern is a big part of why Jeff shook the hooks off himself.

love, rachel

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 8:17:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ahhhhh, I get now where you’re coming from… (ie N.A. beliefs)
You say you believe people have choices but here you are criticising those
who have made a choice that HAS ultimately worked for them.
Congrats to your partner for getting clean. How old was she when she was
ready to get clean?
As for if you don’t try you never get anywhere…. well…. you say you’ve
walked in the shoes?  How many times did it take your partner before she got
clean, no I really hate that word… I’m not dirty…. how many times before
your partner stopped taking drugs? What about yourself?  I’m reading here
that you’ve been the support person for your partner rather than an
addict…(yes Nick it is a special members only club lol)
Just curious to understand a bit more of your point of view…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:04 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Let me put it something like this. If you don’t try you never get anywere
and if you don’t believe you can’t even start.

Look i am not naieve about what it takes for therapy/support and what is
required I know it only too well I’ve experienced it first hand and at such
a level of engagement at times it was hard to bare. My partner had an
addiction to heroin since the age of twelve years old and when everyone else

around did’nt believe and as much as laughed at her aswell as the position
it showed me the delusion and relaiance that people attribute to drugs –
ibogaine or not when they do not have beliefd for a start and the will to
never fail. So with that in mind my partner  – htrough harm reduction
through methadone  through hell fire and brimstone and from having ideas of
bull shit around using questioned and being supported and loved as someone
wantiong to move on is now drug free, bot heroin and crack and now working
to help others. So my position is this, I have nothing against anyone, but
what I have seen, experienced and know to be the case even before any of
this happened is this – that the human system is stronger than any drug, it
just needs to believe and to work through what comes up as it does for any
human being anywere, drug user or not. As far as I see there are too many
people who see to short down the path, if you’ve got your eye on the horizon

at least you’ve got some perspective, if you don’t what are you really
offering people??

And as for the poor, well save me please.

And I’m no pioneer in this, its what the NA believe any form of drug is an
escape Period! They don’t put up with any of that bull, sorry, either do I.
But i do believe people have choices and at the end of the day its about
being honest with yourself, you don’t need to pay £40 an hour for that, and
NA is free as well as a nice cup of tea to boot and maybe some chocolate
biscuits if its a rich community.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:15:13 +0200 (CEST)

Nick,

you put it so nicely, thanks.

Sara

Hey Ed,

Nice to hear from you. To me, what you say is good in theory and a good
position to take in Encounter therapy, but maybe not such a reality for
a
lot of people in practice. Yes, theoretically, all anyone has to
actually
do
is to turn head-on and look at what they’re afraid of…and they’re
free.
It’s true, I certainly believe it. But the physical reality is that a
lot
of
people need a lot of stepping stones on the way to getting to the place
where they actually DESIRE to really look at themselves.

Personally, I think the booster concept, as put out by Patrick in his
paper,
is great. I think it’s exciting. I don’t know where it could lead but I
don’t think it can just be labelled as a maintenance or supplementation
program, because ibogaine is simply too unknown to do that.

I agree that a drug can never show you who you are, but maybe it can
take
you to a place where you do actually desire to pick up the mirror.

Is there anyone out there? Good question!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 02:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine
scene’ becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme.
Its bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this
when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul
to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things
w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is
a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose
to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
listened too not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone????
So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out???
What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it
does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
etc better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo
feeling a small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will
give u more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 8:09:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The second time i wanted to do ibogaine all my non using friends were scratching their heads saying”what the fuk for, U ve seen the universe, u got confirmation of reincarnation, u got some insight into ur addiction so whats the point”
that got me thinking a bit.  could it be that junky syndrome of more and more
I started to feel guilty about using it the second time.
but in the end i and my entity know whats best for me.  My intution is my best guide and if it tells me i need more since nothing worked befre then fuk yah i do it 100 times more if tht means i will stay clean.
I made a mistake not to do it the third time and fourth and relasped.  did i relapsed because i didnt do ibo.? maybe
mabye not
thats not the point
the point is i felt stronger more confident and had lots less cravings when having that ibo glow the two magical times so i say IF U IN GOOD HEALTH BOOST ALL U CAN!!!
Im clean again thank god and will have a session this friday and hope to prolong it with as many boosters as i can in the folowing months.
i really dont want to go through the hellish wd’s ever again!!1
peace and love to u all…..one love!
matt

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 7:04:52 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you think
all the strung out folks in New Orleans are feeling okay right about
now?  Are those methadone clinics that make folks come in every day
for pisstests and what not  open in the middle of Katrina??  I don’t
think so.  It’s time for a cure. – rachel<

Hadn’t even thought of them.
This post was so well put Rachel, thanks for taking the time to write AND post it.
Hope you guys had a good time at Howl.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

I can relate a *little* bit to the idea expressed by Ed Conn — the
concern that someone in the throes of their ibogaine rebirth may think
they need more not because they actually do, but because they are used
to their daily dosing regimens and think they will get sick without
more.  If a little is good, more must be better — c’mon, that’s not a
totally alien representation of the basic, underlying issue of
“craving,” is it?  It was certainly among my worries when I was in the
position of supporting Jeff in his initial detox.

But from what everyone in the local nyc movement has told me about
their firsthand experiences of eating the Root (or rather, its
purified salt) you may want more… but not right now, not yet, one of
these days you’ll go through that again… maybe.  It is a harrowing
process.  It is not fun.  It is not recreational.

For an anecdotal example:  one week after his flood to come off 60 mg
of methadone (no heroin for about 7 yrs previous) and a 20+ yr history
of coca-dope-fiending, my husband insisted to us all that he needed a
booster… and then it took him another week to get up the courage to
ingest it.  He is a veteran tripper… something of a psychedelic
adventurer… But having a vision of the veins being ripped out of his
arms is not a place anyone willingly goes again.  That’s the intensity
of experience.  And that intensity is what mitigates against abuse of
this substance.

The freedom root is a medicine, a gift from the ancestors, and an
extraordinarily powerful substance.   That power is unique, and with
all due respect Mr. Conn, twisting it back into false comparisons with
the ordinary history of “the pursuit of intoxication”  (cf. Andrew I.
Malcolm) is just plain shortsightedness.

As for Cindy’s example of “bad advice” from an underground source,
well, its easy to project frustration onto those who give counsel
instead of dealing with the underlying problem.  This person’s brain
chemistry is all outta whack from various life experiences,
intoxicants, and anesthetic attempts at blunting the pain.  It’s a
complex problem to try and come in from the ouside to assist in
healing.  So look at it from the perspective of providing without a
clinically secure situation.  It is inherently risky to work with
addicts in an uncontrolled environment where anything could be
stashed.   And at least several of the deaths attributed to ibogaine
seem to come not from the root’s side effects, but from accidental
overdoses by recovering patients who do not recognize that their
tolerance has been “reset.”  Given those facts, erring on the side of
“just throw out your old bottles” (or whatever) makes a lot of sense.
I know several folks who relapsed because it was very easy to do.
They didn’t have to go score, they simply had to talk/beg/cajole their
family members into opening up a lockbox.

Anyway, this is all bullshit.  How many people have OD’ed in the last
hour that I’ve been writing this?  More than have ever died from
ibogaine.  How many people are suffering from dope sickness and hoping
they can stick it out “this time”?  Too many to count.  How many
families in the throes of addiction are inflicting pain and damage and
continuing the cycle of abuse that leads toward self-medication right
now, because of the stress of their illness?  Enough to make the
“family values” rhetoriticians choke on their own bilious hypocrisy
(and these are some pretty puffed up stuffed shirts).  Do you think
all the strung out folks in New Orleans are feeling okay right about
now?  Are those methadone clinics that make folks come in every day
for pisstests and what not  open in the middle of Katrina??  I don’t
think so.  It’s time for a cure. – rachel

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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 7:04:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Let me put it something like this. If you don’t try you never get anywere and if you don’t believe you can’t even start.

Look i am not naieve about what it takes for therapy/support and what is required I know it only too well I’ve experienced it first hand and at such a level of engagement at times it was hard to bare. My partner had an addiction to heroin since the age of twelve years old and when everyone else around did’nt believe and as much as laughed at her aswell as the position it showed me the delusion and relaiance that people attribute to drugs – ibogaine or not when they do not have beliefd for a start and the will to never fail. So with that in mind my partner  – htrough harm reduction through methadone  through hell fire and brimstone and from having ideas of bull shit around using questioned and being supported and loved as someone wantiong to move on is now drug free, bot heroin and crack and now working to help others. So my position is this, I have nothing against anyone, but what I have seen, experienced and know to be the case even before any of this happened is this – that the human system is stronger than any drug, it just needs to believe and to work through what comes up as it does for any human being anywere, drug user or not. As far as I see there are too many people who see to short down the path, if you’ve got your eye on the horizon at least you’ve got some perspective, if you don’t what are you really offering people??

And as for the poor, well save me please.

And I’m no pioneer in this, its what the NA believe any form of drug is an escape Period! They don’t put up with any of that bull, sorry, either do I. But i do believe people have choices and at the end of the day its about being honest with yourself, you don’t need to pay 」40 an hour for that, and NA is free as well as a nice cup of tea to boot and maybe some chocolate biscuits if its a rich community.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:15:13 +0200 (CEST)

Nick,

you put it so nicely, thanks.

Sara

Hey Ed,
>
> Nice to hear from you. To me, what you say is good in theory and a good
> position to take in Encounter therapy, but maybe not such a reality for a
> lot of people in practice. Yes, theoretically, all anyone has to actually
> do
> is to turn head-on and look at what they’re afraid of…and they’re free.
> It’s true, I certainly believe it. But the physical reality is that a lot
> of
> people need a lot of stepping stones on the way to getting to the place
> where they actually DESIRE to really look at themselves.
>
> Personally, I think the booster concept, as put out by Patrick in his
> paper,
> is great. I think it’s exciting. I don’t know where it could lead but I
> don’t think it can just be labelled as a maintenance or supplementation
> program, because ibogaine is simply too unknown to do that.
>
> I agree that a drug can never show you who you are, but maybe it can take
> you to a place where you do actually desire to pick up the mirror.
>
> Is there anyone out there? Good question!
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: 29 August 2005 02:17
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>
>>
>> You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
>> old
>> junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
>> uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
>> supplement
>> them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine
>> scene’ becomes a
>> supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme.
>> Its bollox  –
>> the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
>> substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
>> making
>> the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this
>> when does one
>> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
>> actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
>> communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
>> the
>> chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
>> drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things
>> w/out having
>> compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is
>> a part of
>> your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
>> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
>> listened too not
>> to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone????
>> So
>> who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
>> does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
>> ibogaine is
>> trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it
>> does’nt effect
>> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
>> the
>> pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
>> that
>> rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
>> ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>>
>> >From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
>> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
>> more…………..
>> >sjonny.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
>> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>> >Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey there
>> >
>> >I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
>> etc better
>> >take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo
>> feeling a small
>> >dose will do fine
>> >
>> >Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will
>> give u more
>> >comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
>> small
>> >dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind
>> >
>> >all the best
>> >
>> >matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 5:28:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oy vey.
😉
Only semi-literate, darn it, and in just about one language only too-
although I do a fair job vocalizing in French too- but I’m sure not literate

in it- and barely in English for that matter.
Nuther big 😉

Peace and love,
Preston

[Capt Kirk] Oh, so I shouldn’t bother reading any of your stuff then oy oy
vey?  Cos it’ll just be illitritt stuff yeh?  Hey I barely remember sum
stuff from French in high school!!!  Like, telling someone that doesn’t know
French to go up to a French girl guy and say “vouslez vous acouchez avec moi
c’est sois? (ok forget the spelling I did say sum!!)
Gee, such fond memories of scool.  I lernt so much.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 5:22:20 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m confused, why is something being attacked that has and still is helping
so many people?
It’s almost as insane as people attacking this list for people being too
chatty on it!
But then again, I’m easily confused….duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Smooooooooooooches to all
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2005 4:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Please do not discuss so rude.cannot blame the poor for being
poor. concentration of richness that causes
problems in our world.
who is going to give the money for the  post Ibo. therapy to those addicts?

well, do ask me to be seriously minded. it helps.

Sara

your right sara, and thats exactly why an alternative perspective is what
if
not just to draw attention needs to be put bluntly. The bottom line is
this
I know very much what it is like to walk in those shoes and understand
very
much the feelings of vlnerability and therefore from that perspective take
a
very strong perspective on talk about boosters and the like as perhaps an
easy option and as I say put forward by whom?  The thing that has always
lacke is interpersoanl support and moving away from long established
patterns of engrained thought programmes to avoid feelings, this is the
essence of addiction and why it is so difficult to combat and why it
requires genuine interpersoanl support and maybe a voice occasionally that
says something different.

I wonder do you know what it is like to walk in those shoes or is that
just
you being judgemental??

Taking ibogaine will always and it always has required on going support,
were that does’nt exist what does someoine do…what they’ve always
done…

This is’nt judgemental and its certainly not precious either, its web chat
to cause thought and perhaps enable the evocation of choice, all being
valid. So please do’nt give me your self righteous stuff thanks.

If you want to be serious about addiction you need to be seriously minded
and not just rely on a chemical alternatives, but hey if that’s all you
can
do who am I to comment.???

Ed

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:19:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed thanks for the response and I’m glad you don’t disagree with the
principles of harm reduction, or so you are saying in one sentence.
It’s every other sentence of what you actually wrote that seems to
contradict every tenet of harm reduction.

You obviously walked into a emotional minefield with the replies that
went across, maybe because the tone you are taking seems so arrogant
and full of yourself. I won’t go on here because Nick Sandberg’s reply
was quite perfect. It’s all very nice in theory, but doesn’t have too
much to do with most of the people I know back in the real world
struggling with addiction.

Speaking only for myself, I have a very hard time trying to remain
completely ‘sober’ and not self medicate with something. I have
cupboards full of the prescriptions cheryl or cindy ranted about and
have to agree that the people who have done more damage to me then any
underground dealers, are the medically sanctioned ones.

I would very much like to have access to low doses or boosters of
ibogaine,  to augment conventional or unconventional therapy. I don’t
think anyone is suggesting that ibogaine maintenance is the permanent
solution to anything. The best description I can think of is one that
I believe Matt offered about the 12 steps. ‘It’s like a boat to get
across the river. Once you’re across, you might no longer need the
boat’. In that case he was talking about the 12 steps, not ibogaine,
but it’s the same analogy. It’s also no different at all from a dozen
press interviews with Dr. Mash who’s entire noribogaine concept is to
apply it in a patch and end up with sustained release noribogaine. The
only difference being Patrick listed exact numbers, doses and results,
for how to use ibogaine to get all of that right now. It seems to be
working for people.

KV

On 8/29/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I believe very strongly in harm reduction I also believe in sensible
alternatives and what is always post scripted with ibogaine treatments is
the requirement for therapeutic support, I feel far more strongly about that
than boosters. How treatments are organised and structured in relation to
support pre and post are cruciial to making them efficacious and enduring.

Ed.

From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:52:55 -0400

I’m not sure why anyone taking a booster to prevent themselves from a
full relapse is negative in your mind. I don’t think anyone advocates
doing ibogaine maintenance forever but boosters seem to be helping
people who would otherwise be stuck.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but nothing in your message was
constructive it just sounds very angry and has absolutely nothing to
do with any of the principles of harm reduction.

KV

On 8/28/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’
becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its
bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does
one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out
having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part
of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too
not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone????
So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt
effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right, I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc
better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a
small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u
more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
small
dose will bring u back in to that clear lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 3:16:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 05:40
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Someone with the incredibly unlikely name of Ed Conn wrote in part
The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing theirbrain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??<

To which I must reply in brief.
As someone who has had mixed results with ALL treatment modalities,
including ibogaine, I’ve personally found I LIKE being able to
take ibogaine
every few months, realign my brain and body, and not do my
recovery how you
feel I must to be without “artifice.” What exactly do you mean by
that, and
how do you tell someone living in chornic pain, or was introduced
to opiates
by a doctor at some point through severe surguries and the like that they
are NOT normal or living naturally by wanting to continue to use opiates
that work to stiffle that overwhelming pain? Who the heck are you
or anyone
to tell me or anyone else what’s the best route for us to take in
terms of
our pain, our addiction, or our use patterns? Who are you? What
else do you
bring to this table other than complaints and huff?
Thanks for your time, and I look forward to a reply, but doubt
I’m going to
get one.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Hey Preston,

Without actually wishing to commence another of our long-winded arguments, I
would simply like to point out that there may well be a relationship between
the point at which you allow… “anyone to tell me or anyone else what’s the
best route for us to take in terms of our pain, our addiction, or our use
patterns”…. and healing to take place. To heal you do have to trust. A lot
of people come to ibogaine through a desire to “self-heal”, to be able to
manage their own recovery process, to stay in control of it. This is what
actually attracts them to the drug. I think the best outcome for most of
these guys is that they see clearly in the ibogaine session the fear
position beneath this need to stay in control. They realize that trust is
their actual issue. Then they can move beyond the fear and allow others in.

Nick

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:54:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All, ditto Nick, according to all “recovering experts” & even some iboga ones ,since I have done ibogaine 4 times my odds are questionable, but boosters & numerous sessions ( with relapses in between) have led me to a place where Im willing,have 6 months now ,been there before too,but it took all it took, so glad I had the opportunity & support ,(thank you Eric)With a good therapist & a great start,love shelley

sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Nick,

you put it so nicely, thanks.

Sara

Hey Ed,
>
> Nice to hear from you. To me, what you say is good in theory and a good
> position to take in Encounter therapy, but maybe not such a reality for a
> lot of people in practice. Yes, theoretically, all anyone has to actually
> do
> is to turn head-on and look at what they’re afraid of…and they’re free.
> It’s true, I certainly believe it. But the physical reality is that a lot
> of
> people need a lot of stepping stones on the way to getting to the place
> where they actually DESIRE to really look at themselves.
>
> Personally, I think the booster concept, as put out by Patrick in his
> paper,
> is great. I think it’s exciting. I don’t know where it could lead but I
> don’t think it can just be labelled as a maintenance or supplementation
> program, because ibogaine is simply too unknown to do that.
>
> I agree that a drug can never show you who you are, but maybe it can take
> you to a place where you do actually desire to pick up the mirror.
>
> Is there anyone out there? Good question!
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: 29 August 2005 02:17
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>
>>
>> You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
>> old
>> junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
>> uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
>> supplement
>> them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine
>> scene’ becomes a
>> supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme.
>> Its bollox –
>> the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
>> substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
>> making
>> the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this
>> when does one
>> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
>> actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
>> communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
>> the
>> chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
>> drugs?? Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things
>> w/out having
>> compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is
>> a part of
>> your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
>> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
>> listened too not
>> to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone????
>> So
>> who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
>> does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
>> ibogaine is
>> trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it
>> does’nt effect
>> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
>> the
>> pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
>> that
>> rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model??? Is there
>> ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….
>>
>> Ed.
>>
>>
>> >From: “Sjonnygee .”
>> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
>> more…………..
>> >sjonny.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: “matthew zielinski”
>> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>> >Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey there
>> >
>> >I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
>> etc better
>> >take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo
>> feeling a small
>> >dose will do fine
>> >
>> >Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will
>> give u more
>> >comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
>> small
>> >dose will bring u back in to that clear lovey dovey state of mind
>> >
>> >all the best
>> >
>> >matt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:15:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick,

you put it so nicely, thanks.

Sara

Hey Ed,

Nice to hear from you. To me, what you say is good in theory and a good
position to take in Encounter therapy, but maybe not such a reality for a
lot of people in practice. Yes, theoretically, all anyone has to actually
do
is to turn head-on and look at what they’re afraid of…and they’re free.
It’s true, I certainly believe it. But the physical reality is that a lot
of
people need a lot of stepping stones on the way to getting to the place
where they actually DESIRE to really look at themselves.

Personally, I think the booster concept, as put out by Patrick in his
paper,
is great. I think it’s exciting. I don’t know where it could lead but I
don’t think it can just be labelled as a maintenance or supplementation
program, because ibogaine is simply too unknown to do that.

I agree that a drug can never show you who you are, but maybe it can take
you to a place where you do actually desire to pick up the mirror.

Is there anyone out there? Good question!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 02:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine
scene’ becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme.
Its bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this
when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things
w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is
a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
listened too not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone????
So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it
does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
etc better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo
feeling a small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will
give u more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:00:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ed,

Nice to hear from you. To me, what you say is good in theory and a good
position to take in Encounter therapy, but maybe not such a reality for a
lot of people in practice. Yes, theoretically, all anyone has to actually do
is to turn head-on and look at what they’re afraid of…and they’re free.
It’s true, I certainly believe it. But the physical reality is that a lot of
people need a lot of stepping stones on the way to getting to the place
where they actually DESIRE to really look at themselves.

Personally, I think the booster concept, as put out by Patrick in his paper,
is great. I think it’s exciting. I don’t know where it could lead but I
don’t think it can just be labelled as a maintenance or supplementation
program, because ibogaine is simply too unknown to do that.

I agree that a drug can never show you who you are, but maybe it can take
you to a place where you do actually desire to pick up the mirror.

Is there anyone out there? Good question!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 August 2005 02:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine
scene’ becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme.
Its bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this
when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things
w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is
a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
listened too not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it
does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

 

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
etc better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo
feeling a small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will
give u more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

 

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Text of Foreword by Howard S. Lotsof
Date: August 29, 2005 at 1:38:31 PM EDT
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: Eboga Elistas <eboga@elistas.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

Howard Lotsof very kindly agreed to write a foreward to the book Amazing Grace, which will appear in the next release. I am very grateful to Howard for his time and effort.

As a matter of note, I have removed the (TM) from the term The Eboga Process.
In the future it will simply be known as: The Eboga Process, and will not be (TM).

Please follow this link to Howard’s foreward:

www.my-eboga.com/forehoward.html

Lee

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 12:54:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please do not discuss so rude.cannot blame the poor for being
poor. concentration of richness that causes
problems in our world.
who is going to give the money for the  post Ibo. therapy to those addicts?

well, do ask me to be seriously minded. it helps.

Sara

your right sara, and thats exactly why an alternative perspective is what
if
not just to draw attention needs to be put bluntly. The bottom line is
this
I know very much what it is like to walk in those shoes and understand
very
much the feelings of vlnerability and therefore from that perspective take
a
very strong perspective on talk about boosters and the like as perhaps an
easy option and as I say put forward by whom?  The thing that has always
lacke is interpersoanl support and moving away from long established
patterns of engrained thought programmes to avoid feelings, this is the
essence of addiction and why it is so difficult to combat and why it
requires genuine interpersoanl support and maybe a voice occasionally that
says something different.

I wonder do you know what it is like to walk in those shoes or is that
just
you being judgemental??

Taking ibogaine will always and it always has required on going support,
were that does’nt exist what does someoine do…what they’ve always
done…

This is’nt judgemental and its certainly not precious either, its web chat
to cause thought and perhaps enable the evocation of choice, all being
valid. So please do’nt give me your self righteous stuff thanks.

If you want to be serious about addiction you need to be seriously minded
and not just rely on a chemical alternatives, but hey if that’s all you
can
do who am I to comment.???

Ed

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 12:00:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can relate a *little* bit to the idea expressed by Ed Conn — the
concern that someone in the throes of their ibogaine rebirth may think
they need more not because they actually do, but because they are used
to their daily dosing regimens and think they will get sick without
more.  If a little is good, more must be better — c’mon, that’s not a
totally alien representation of the basic, underlying issue of
“craving,” is it?  It was certainly among my worries when I was in the
position of supporting Jeff in his initial detox.

But from what everyone in the local nyc movement has told me about
their firsthand experiences of eating the Root (or rather, its
purified salt) you may want more… but not right now, not yet, one of
these days you’ll go through that again… maybe.  It is a harrowing
process.  It is not fun.  It is not recreational.

For an anecdotal example:  one week after his flood to come off 60 mg
of methadone (no heroin for about 7 yrs previous) and a 20+ yr history
of coca-dope-fiending, my husband insisted to us all that he needed a
booster… and then it took him another week to get up the courage to
ingest it.  He is a veteran tripper… something of a psychedelic
adventurer… But having a vision of the veins being ripped out of his
arms is not a place anyone willingly goes again.  That’s the intensity
of experience.  And that intensity is what mitigates against abuse of
this substance.

The freedom root is a medicine, a gift from the ancestors, and an
extraordinarily powerful substance.   That power is unique, and with
all due respect Mr. Conn, twisting it back into false comparisons with
the ordinary history of “the pursuit of intoxication”  (cf. Andrew I.
Malcolm) is just plain shortsightedness.

As for Cindy’s example of “bad advice” from an underground source,
well, its easy to project frustration onto those who give counsel
instead of dealing with the underlying problem.  This person’s brain
chemistry is all outta whack from various life experiences,
intoxicants, and anesthetic attempts at blunting the pain.  It’s a
complex problem to try and come in from the ouside to assist in
healing.  So look at it from the perspective of providing without a
clinically secure situation.  It is inherently risky to work with
addicts in an uncontrolled environment where anything could be
stashed.   And at least several of the deaths attributed to ibogaine
seem to come not from the root’s side effects, but from accidental
overdoses by recovering patients who do not recognize that their
tolerance has been “reset.”  Given those facts, erring on the side of
“just throw out your old bottles” (or whatever) makes a lot of sense.
I know several folks who relapsed because it was very easy to do.
They didn’t have to go score, they simply had to talk/beg/cajole their
family members into opening up a lockbox.

Anyway, this is all bullshit.  How many people have OD’ed in the last
hour that I’ve been writing this?  More than have ever died from
ibogaine.  How many people are suffering from dope sickness and hoping
they can stick it out “this time”?  Too many to count.  How many
families in the throes of addiction are inflicting pain and damage and
continuing the cycle of abuse that leads toward self-medication right
now, because of the stress of their illness?  Enough to make the
“family values” rhetoriticians choke on their own bilious hypocrisy
(and these are some pretty puffed up stuffed shirts).  Do you think
all the strung out folks in New Orleans are feeling okay right about
now?  Are those methadone clinics that make folks come in every day
for pisstests and what not  open in the middle of Katrina??  I don’t
think so.  It’s time for a cure. – rachel

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 11:13:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you so very much, Howard.  I appreciate it very much.  I MUST get my old retained files in some kind
of order!!!

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

In a message dated 8/28/05 10:49:56 PM, think@francomm.com writes:

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Howard, please help me to remember.  I know that in one post you stated that it is your experience
that individuals who have more than one experience with Ibogaine did “better” in the long run than those
who stopped with just one?  I am a pack rat and keep all relevant posts.  But, I am also lazy and really
don’t feel like I have time to read through each and every one of your posts!!!!  I will if I have to!!!

Regards
ann

Hi Ann,

I have probably said it in a number of papers but, you can find it in my original patent for the treatment of opioid dependence as well, http://www.ibogaine.org/4499096.html

At the time of that work it was not a matter of treating when a subject returned to drug use but, as part of a research paradigm to determine the effects of multiple dose regimens.

Regards as always.

Howard

From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 11:10:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I believe very strongly in harm reduction I also believe in sensible alternatives and what is always post scripted with ibogaine treatments is the requirement for therapeutic support, I feel far more strongly about that than boosters. How treatments are organised and structured in relation to support pre and post are cruciial to making them efficacious and enduring.

Ed.

From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:52:55 -0400

I’m not sure why anyone taking a booster to prevent themselves from a
full relapse is negative in your mind. I don’t think anyone advocates
doing ibogaine maintenance forever but boosters seem to be helping
people who would otherwise be stuck.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but nothing in your message was
constructive it just sounds very angry and has absolutely nothing to
do with any of the principles of harm reduction.

KV

On 8/28/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
> junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
> uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and supplement
> them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a
> supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox  –
> the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
> substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
> the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one
> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
> actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
> communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
> chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
> drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
> compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
> your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too not
> to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
> who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
> does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is
> trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
> pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
> rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
> ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….
>
> Ed.
>
>
> >From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
> >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
> >
> >
> >Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right, I’ll look into it more…………..
> >sjonny.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
> >Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey there
> >
> >I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc better
> >take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small
> >dose will do fine
> >
> >Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u more
> >comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
> >dose will bring u back in to that clear lovey dovey state of mind
> >
> >all the best
> >
> >matt
> >
> >
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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 11:03:10 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

your right sara, and thats exactly why an alternative perspective is what if not just to draw attention needs to be put bluntly. The bottom line is this I know very much what it is like to walk in those shoes and understand very much the feelings of vlnerability and therefore from that perspective take a very strong perspective on talk about boosters and the like as perhaps an easy option and as I say put forward by whom?  The thing that has always lacke is interpersoanl support and moving away from long established patterns of engrained thought programmes to avoid feelings, this is the essence of addiction and why it is so difficult to combat and why it requires genuine interpersoanl support and maybe a voice occasionally that says something different.

I wonder do you know what it is like to walk in those shoes or is that just you being judgemental??

Taking ibogaine will always and it always has required on going support, were that does’nt exist what does someoine do…what they’ve always done…

This is’nt judgemental and its certainly not precious either, its web chat to cause thought and perhaps enable the evocation of choice, all being valid. So please do’nt give me your self righteous stuff thanks.

If you want to be serious about addiction you need to be seriously minded and not just rely on a chemical alternatives, but hey if that’s all you can do who am I to comment.???

Ed
From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:07:49 +0200 (CEST)

if someone wants to be judgmental , that’s fine, but first try to walk a
mille
in that person’s shoes before.

S.

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
> junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
> uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
> supplement
> them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes
> a
> supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox
> –
> the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
> substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
> the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does
> one
> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
> actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
> communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
> chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
> drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
> compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
> your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too
> not
> to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
> who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
> does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine
> is
> trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
> pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
> rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
> ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….
>
> Ed.
>
>
>>From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
>>
>>
>>Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
>> more…………..
>>sjonny.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey there
>>
>>I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc
>> better
>>take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a
>> small
>>dose will do fine
>>
>>Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u
>> more
>>comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
>>dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind
>>
>>all the best
>>
>>matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 10:52:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/28/05 10:49:56 PM, think@francomm.com writes:

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Howard, please help me to remember.  I know that in one post you stated that it is your experience
that individuals who have more than one experience with Ibogaine did “better” in the long run than those
who stopped with just one?  I am a pack rat and keep all relevant posts.  But, I am also lazy and really
don’t feel like I have time to read through each and every one of your posts!!!!  I will if I have to!!!

Regards
ann

Hi Ann,

I have probably said it in a number of papers but, you can find it in my original patent for the treatment of opioid dependence as well, http://www.ibogaine.org/4499096.html

At the time of that work it was not a matter of treating when a subject returned to drug use but, as part of a research paradigm to determine the effects of multiple dose regimens.

Regards as always.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 7:43:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oy vey.
😉
Only semi-literate, darn it, and in just about one language only too- although I do a fair job vocalizing in French too- but I’m sure not literate in it- and barely in English for that matter.
Nuther big 😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

“her”.
Gee, and call yourself literate??
Heh
Luff luff luff
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:26 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

The good Capt. wrote >ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)<

what the “H” stand for Capt. K?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Preston wrote:- To which I must reply in brief…………

[Capt Kirk]

ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)

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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation and boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:59:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is hard to sit still. Takes practice. Even in stillness, we move to get
comfortable.
No-thought is kindof an inacheivable ideal. Initially, as one practices
mind stillness, one becomes more aware of everything, and there can be
almost immediate practical benefits like better organization and
relaxation, as you said.
It’s good for meditation to keep the spine straight.
Right. There are many variations, walking meditation, thru the woods maybe.

One of the main lessons I have learned from this list is how individual our
needs are. Some people need boosters, some don’t, and everything inbetween.
Many people on this list have very serious physical issues that
realistically may require life-long medication and/or therapy. The medical
peops have not developed their pain control area well enough yet.

I was on the list for about a year, about a year ago. My computer suddenly
had a collapse and we went thru an adjustment. Now I’m up on a fast system,
with new addresses (got rid of aol), etc..
Andy

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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: meditation
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:45:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is hard to sit still. Takes practice. Even in stillness, we move to get
comfortable.
No-thought is kindof an inacheivable ideal. Initially, as one practices
mind stillness, one becomes more aware of everything, and there can be
almost immediate practical benefits like better organization and
relaxation, as you said.
It’s good for meditation to keep the spine straight.
Right. There are many variations, walking meditation, thru the woods maybe.

One of the main lessons I have learned from this list is how individual our
needs are. Some people need boosters, some don’t, and everything inbetween.
Many people on this list have very serious physical issues that
realistically may require life-long medication and/or therapy. The medical
peops have not developed their pain control area well enough yet.

I was on the list for about a year, about a year ago. My computer suddenly
had a collapse and we went thru an adjustment. Now I’m up on a fast system,
with new addresses (got rid of aol), etc..
Andy

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 3:37:49 +0000 (GMT), “Matthew Shriver”
<matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
I have actually been checking this out recently at the advice of friends
(and it’s part of the 11th step which I am on).  My experience was that I
couldn’t sit still for more than a few minutes and the whole time was just
repeated realizations that I was lost in thought.  After 3 to 5 minutes of
that I would just get frustrated and give it up.  And after trying that for
3 or 4 days a week for a week and half or so I would just stop doing it with
the major criticism being that I wasn’t seeing any positive results.

So after talking to people about it and their experiences with it I was told
two things which I feel are important.  First that there are different ways
to meditate and that getting hung up on one idea of how it’s supposed to be
done isn’t helpful.  So I have had to let go of my concept of what proper
mediation is a little.  I like to read a lot of Buddhist literature and I
tended to think of meditation as a state of no-thought, something I cannot
achieve.  The second thing that someone who meditates daily told me was that
initially, the greatest benefit will come from the discipline of doing it
daily and not so much from the sitting itself.

One thing that had often turned me off to meditation is the time investment
people would talk about.  Someone would say, “oh if you do it for an hour a
day for a few months you’ll be amazed…” and I would think, “yeah right,
who has an extra hour a day to sit and meditate?”

But my more recent experience has been more positive.  I sit every morning
for 3-5 minutes, however long I feel like.  And I don’t put any expectations
on it about having fewer thoughts or catching them quicker or concentrating
on the breath or anything else.  I just sit and try and be with the spirit
of the universe for a few minutes, nothing more.  And I have to say that now
I am experiencing a positive benefit.  I feel lighter when I am done and
more ready to face the day.  My head will start churning about the shit I
need to do for work before I even get out of bed and sitting in the morning
is a good way of stopping that mental traffic for a few and starting with a
clearer mental space.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: abeatty@mail2go.com [mailto:abeatty@mail2go.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:07 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation

I don’t mean to sound preachy, but this means so much to me that I want to
share:

Please keep meditating, even off and on.

Start by sitting still, just 5 min. Do this for a month (week..) and your
life
will change. Try for 20 min., an hour. This calms the body. Observe your
thoughts. Let them go. Silence your thoughts. When thoughts arise again,
silence
the thoughts. Sit in the silence. Keep still.

Most of us don’t live in reality, especially us on drugs, etc. We see
reality
through a veil. Most addicts, at least, know about the veil.

Meditation can get us in touch with reality. It can break the attachments
that
hook us into patterns through thoughts.

This can be done alone, at home, for free. It’s nice to have a group, too,
for
support.
You may go to most buddhist meditation groups without telling your story.
It’s
not like AA. It’s not a religion either.

Good luck,
Andy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:42:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/28/05 11:37:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slowone@hush.ai writes:

every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on
>holding the
>cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the
>underground has
>given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but
>telling people
>to throw away their meds because they’re clean now

The only time I ever heard someone say to not take their anti depressents is right after the big flood dose of Ibogaine because it effects the same areas in the brain that Ibogaine does. It’s dangerous. 2  weeks after the flood if people still feel the need for anti depressents and anti physcotics they can do so on their on free will. I’ve only heard a provider say to not listen to the doctors when they say that no one can ever get off of Methadone. Just what providers you been hangin’ with? My provider (underground) told me to keep my options open when it comes to anti deppresents and the like. I haven’t felt the need for them since I took my big dose. I bogaine works better for me.      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:34:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/28/05 11:37:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slowone@hush.ai writes:

every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on
>holding the
>cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the
>underground has
>given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but
>telling people
>to throw away their meds because they’re clean now

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 4:26:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed, I had a guy who is a major provider tell me that I didn’t need a booster for pretty much the same reasons that you just stated. I respect this man very much and I thought about it for another 2 months before I took my booster. But, the fact of the matter is that Ibogaine works like nothing else for me. Believe me bro I tried EVERYTHING else. Rapid detox, intense behavoir mod therapy, 12 steps, cold turkey (at least 15 times), I even thought about becoming a hermit for about a year to get away from the drugs and the cravings. Give me 1000 22 rounds and about 100 30.06 rounds and I could live anywhere. That shit just won’t work for me. Are you trying to say that we shouldn’t use a drug that takes away cravings and helps with depression because in your opinion it is weak? Have you ever been addicted to the point that it was killing you? I’ve been addicted off and on since 1975. Mostly on. I took the big flood back in sept. 28th of last year to get off of methadone and heroin and oxy’s. That life sucked worse than anything I have been thru so far. So fuck it, if I have to take a booster to make me feel better every month I will. I don’t think it will come to that, but I would if I have to. Here’s one for ya. I’m gonna do another whole session as soon as I can work it out. Probably in about 2 months or so. I have some important work to get done in the next few weeks and I want to be as prepared as I can for it. Maybe you would rather me take prozac or something. I tried that too. There are some of us that really have a chemical imbalance and I think you are pretty shallow for putting peope down for doing what they feel helps them. You ever tried it? Ibogaine is the most important drug to surface in a long time. People like you aint helping. The addicts that have taken Ibogaine and gotten some real benifit know what I’m talking about. Yea sure, eventually we shouldn’t need anything. But I personally have been fighting addiction for 30 years. Why in Gods name would I stop doing what works for me because someone like you thinks that it is a cop out. I’m trying to be rational here but you kinda pissed me off with your attitude about something that really works for a lot of people. I don’t know if you ever took any Ibogaine but if you did maybe you should try it again. I don’t think you got the spirituality that most people do. Love and whatever works to keep someone from killing themselves. Thats my opinion. I have personaly seen Ibogaine turn around some pretty hard core addicts. How are you going to put that down? Should these people have suffered thru the cold turkey just so they have to suffer enough to remember it? THAT SHIT DOESN”T WORK dude. We need our mind broke open so that we can figure out why we take the drugs in the first place. I don’t know you and I’m not trying to start a flame war here. I’m just stating my opiniion. Your the one pointing fingers here. Live and let live my brutha. Ibogaine has no equal when it comes to getting rid of withdrawals not to mention that the journey usually has significant impact on the person that experiences it. Not everybody gets it. I think some people are oblivious to the signs that they see when they trip. Too bad. I wish it worked 100 per cent of the time. You sit there and be smug, I think I’ll do what works for me and Rock out every chance I get.         Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 3:46:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Actually, the good capt must admit, by Preston Peet standards, that WAS
extremely brief ;o)
Chugs
(chuckles wif hugs)
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:26 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

The good Capt. wrote >ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)<

what the “H” stand for Capt. K?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Preston wrote:- To which I must reply in brief…………

[Capt Kirk]

ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 3:44:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“her”.
Gee, and call yourself literate??
Heh
Luff luff luff
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 6:26 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

The good Capt. wrote >ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)<

what the “H” stand for Capt. K?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Preston wrote:- To which I must reply in brief…………

[Capt Kirk]

ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:25:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The good Capt. wrote >ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)<

what the “H” stand for Capt. K?
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Preston wrote:- To which I must reply in brief…………

[Capt Kirk]

ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:08:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston wrote:- To which I must reply in brief…………

[Capt Kirk]

ROFLHAO!!!!!!!!! That’d be a first~~~~~~:o)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 20 Aug 2005 20:37:28 -0000 Issue 1339
Date: August 29, 2005 at 2:06:53 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nah do it yourself

—–Original Message—–
From: James [mailto:jamesv@merkury.com]
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 4:37 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 20 Aug 2005 20:37:28 -0000 Issue
1339

Please Take Me Off Of Mailing List !!! Thank You.
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 1:07:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if someone wants to be judgmental , that’s fine, but first try to walk a
mille
in that person’s shoes before.

S.

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes
a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox

the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does
one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too
not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine
is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc
better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a
small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u
more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 29, 2005 at 12:40:11 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Someone with the incredibly unlikely name of Ed Conn wrote in part
The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and actually find out who they are by allowing theirbrain/mind/body/soul to communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out drugs??<

To which I must reply in brief.
As someone who has had mixed results with ALL treatment modalities, including ibogaine, I’ve personally found I LIKE being able to take ibogaine every few months, realign my brain and body, and not do my recovery how you feel I must to be without “artifice.” What exactly do you mean by that, and how do you tell someone living in chornic pain, or was introduced to opiates by a doctor at some point through severe surguries and the like that they are NOT normal or living naturally by wanting to continue to use opiates that work to stiffle that overwhelming pain? Who the heck are you or anyone to tell me or anyone else what’s the best route for us to take in terms of our pain, our addiction, or our use patterns? Who are you? What else do you bring to this table other than complaints and huff?
Thanks for your time, and I look forward to a reply, but doubt I’m going to get one.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Cheryl
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

I’m not angry at either one of my cats.

— On Sun 08/28, slowone@hush.ai < slowone@hush.ai > wrote: From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto: slowone@hush.ai] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:37:22 -0700 Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters Nice post! Is there anyone you aren’t mad at?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:05:36 -0700 Cheryl
wrote:

Right on. Being a junkie already means being treated like shit
from
know it all know nothings, but with ibogaine having no regulation
or training,
mostly underground, every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on
holding the
cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the
underground has
given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but
telling people
to throw away their meds because they’re clean now and get high
listening to
psychobabble does a lot more harm then good. by meds I don’t mean
opiates
either, anti depressants, anti psychotics, you don’t need any of
it anymore, don’t
listen to the doctors. great advice, where did you get your
medical training again?
oh thats right, you’re a drug dealer with attitude problems, sorry

I forgot that. I
mean this in general not to you ed, I have no idea who you are
other then someone
with their head up their ass.

— On Sun 08/28, edward conn < wardconn@hotmail.com > wrote:
From: edward conn [mailto: wardconn@hotmail.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:17:25 +0000
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load

of old junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live

with uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels

and supplement them for an artificially created one and were the

‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a supplementation policy rather than a
detoxification programme. Its bollox – the excuse perpetrated is

that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’ substance does’nt have
a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims –
the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings

and actually find out who they are by allowing their
brain/mind/body/soul to communicate to them with out the need for

artifice – which came first the chicken or the egg – the human or

the drug – so humans cant live w/out drugs?? Theres a lot of
people out there perpetrating things w/ out having compared them
to long
term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of your self
which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
listened too not to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a
parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that voice and who
smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to do…is
that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to
initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels
keep the pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the
providers suggesting that rather than some artifice of a mixed up

psychiatric model??? Is there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it
just voices……….Ed.> From: “Sjonnygee .” > Reply-To:
ibogaine@mindvox.com> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE:
[Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100>>>
Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll
look into it > more………….. sjonny.>>>>> From: “matthew
zielinski” > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> To:
ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Sun,

28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400>>>>> Hey there>> I guess it depends
what u are lookin for…….if u want visions > etc better take a

biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that > ibo feeling a
small dose will do fine>> Dont have much expeirence with it so im
sure other people will give > u more comprehensive coments but if

u are getting cravings im sure > even a small dose will bring u
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From: “James” <jamesv@merkury.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: ibogaine Digest 20 Aug 2005 20:37:28 -0000 Issue 1339
Date: August 29, 2005 at 12:37:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please Take Me Off Of Mailing List !!! Thank You.
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From: “Cheryl” <cherylca@myway.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:54:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not angry at either one of my cats.

— On Sun 08/28, slowone@hush.ai < slowone@hush.ai > wrote: From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto: slowone@hush.ai] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:37:22 -0700 Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters Nice post! Is there anyone you aren’t mad at?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:05:36 -0700 Cheryl
wrote:

> Right on. Being a junkie already means being treated like shit
> from
> know it all know nothings, but with ibogaine having no regulation
> or training,
> mostly underground, every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on
> holding the
> cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the
> underground has
> given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but
> telling people
> to throw away their meds because they’re clean now and get high
> listening to
> psychobabble does a lot more harm then good. by meds I don’t mean
> opiates
> either, anti depressants, anti psychotics, you don’t need any of
> it anymore, don’t
> listen to the doctors. great advice, where did you get your
> medical training again?
> oh thats right, you’re a drug dealer with attitude problems, sorry
>

> I forgot that. I
> mean this in general not to you ed, I have no idea who you are
> other then someone
> with their head up their ass.
>
>
> — On Sun 08/28, edward conn < wardconn@hotmail.com > wrote:
> From: edward conn [mailto: wardconn@hotmail.com]
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:17:25 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>
> You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load
>

> of old junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live
>

> with uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels
>

> and supplement them for an artificially created one and were the
>

> ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a supplementation policy rather than a
> detoxification programme. Its bollox – the excuse perpetrated is
>

> that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’ substance does’nt have
> a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims –
> the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one
> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings
>

> and actually find out who they are by allowing their
> brain/mind/body/soul to communicate to them with out the need for
>

> artifice – which came first the chicken or the egg – the human or
>

> the drug – so humans cant live w/out drugs?? Theres a lot of
> people out there perpetrating things w/ out having compared them
> to long
> term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of your self
> which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be
> listened too not to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a
> parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that voice and who
> smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to do…is
> that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to
> initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels
> keep the pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the
> providers suggesting that rather than some artifice of a mixed up
>

> psychiatric model??? Is there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it
> just voices……….Ed.> From: “Sjonnygee .” > Reply-To:
> ibogaine@mindvox.com> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE:
> [Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100>>>
> Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll
> look into it > more………….. sjonny.>>>>> From: “matthew
> zielinski” > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> To:
> ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Sun,
>

> 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400>>>>> Hey there>> I guess it depends
> what u are lookin for…….if u want visions > etc better take a
>

> biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that > ibo feeling a
> small dose will do fine>> Dont have much expeirence with it so im
> sure other people will give > u more comprehensive coments but if
>

> u are getting cravings im sure > even a small dose will bring u
> back in to that clear lovey dovey > state of mind>> all the
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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:52:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not sure why anyone taking a booster to prevent themselves from a
full relapse is negative in your mind. I don’t think anyone advocates
doing ibogaine maintenance forever but boosters seem to be helping
people who would otherwise be stuck.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but nothing in your message was
constructive it just sounds very angry and has absolutely nothing to
do with any of the principles of harm reduction.

KV

On 8/28/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right, I’ll look into it more…………..
sjonny.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
dose will bring u back in to that clear lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:37:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nice post! Is there anyone you aren’t mad at?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:05:36 -0700 Cheryl <cherylca@myway.com>
wrote:
Right on. Being a junkie already means being treated like shit
from
know it all know nothings, but with ibogaine having no regulation
or training,
mostly underground, every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on
holding the
cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the
underground has
given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but
telling people
to throw away their meds because they’re clean now and get high
listening to
psychobabble does a lot more harm then good. by meds I don’t mean
opiates
either, anti depressants, anti psychotics, you don’t need any of
it anymore, don’t
listen to the doctors. great advice, where did you get your
medical training again?
oh thats right, you’re a drug dealer with attitude problems, sorry

I forgot that. I
mean this in general not to you ed, I have no idea who you are
other then someone
with their head up their ass.

— On Sun 08/28, edward conn < wardconn@hotmail.com > wrote:
From: edward conn [mailto: wardconn@hotmail.com]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:17:25 +0000
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load

of  old junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live

with  uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels

and  supplement them for an artificially created one and were the

‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a supplementation policy rather than a
detoxification programme. Its bollox  – the excuse perpetrated is

that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’ substance does’nt have
a  physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims –
the  people who are doing it. The question is this when does one
learn or  atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings

and actually  find out who they are by allowing their
brain/mind/body/soul to  communicate to them with out the need for

artifice – which came first  the chicken or the egg – the human or

the drug – so humans cant live  w/out drugs??  Theres a lot of
people out there perpetrating things w/ out having compared them
to long
term alternatives i.e w/out. The  addict is a part of your self
which at some point in one life one  will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for  sure but maybe to be
listened too not to be fed so that it shuts  up….sound like a
parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that  voice and who
smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to  do…is
that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to
initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
free  will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels
keep the  pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the
providers suggesting  that rather than some artifice of a mixed up

psychiatric model???  Is  there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it
just voices……….Ed.> From: “Sjonnygee .” > Reply-To:
ibogaine@mindvox.com> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE:
[Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100>>>
Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll
look into it  > more………….. sjonny.>>>>> From: “matthew
zielinski” > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com> To:
ibogaine@mindvox.com> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters> Date: Sun,

28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400>>>>> Hey there>> I guess it depends
what u are lookin for…….if u want visions  > etc better take a

biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that  > ibo feeling a
small dose will do fine>> Dont have much expeirence with it so im
sure other people will give  > u more comprehensive coments but if

u are getting cravings im sure  > even a small dose will bring u
back  in to that clear  lovey dovey  > state of mind>> all the
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:29:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:52:40 -0700 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Using the reasoning you’ve outlined everybody could just stop
doing drugs without ibogaine in the first place.

But can anyone stop taking ibogaine without taking ibogaine?

So where are the providers suggesting that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is
there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Woohoo, a new voice!!

Ed.

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 10:49:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters

Howard, please help me to remember.  I know that in one post you stated that it is your experience
that individuals who have more than one experience with Ibogaine did “better” in the long run than those
who stopped with just one?  I am a pack rat and keep all relevant posts.  But, I am also lazy and really
don’t feel like I have time to read through each and every one of your posts!!!!  I will if I have to!!!

Regards

ann
think@francomm.com
From: “Cheryl” <cherylca@myway.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 10:05:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Right on. Being a junkie already means being treated like shit from
know it all know nothings, but with ibogaine having no regulation or training,
mostly underground, every a-hole with a opinion can power trip on holding the
cure for addiction over people’s heads. Some of the advice the underground has
given my friends is stupid beyond belief, i won’t name names but telling people
to throw away their meds because they’re clean now and get high listening to
psychobabble does a lot more harm then good. by meds I don’t mean opiates
either, anti depressants, anti psychotics, you don’t need any of it anymore, don’t
listen to the doctors. great advice, where did you get your medical training again?
oh thats right, you’re a drug dealer with attitude problems, sorry I forgot that. I
mean this in general not to you ed, I have no idea who you are other then someone
with their head up their ass.

— On Sun 08/28, edward conn < wardconn@hotmail.com > wrote: From: edward conn [mailto: wardconn@hotmail.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:17:25 +0000 Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
old junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement them for an artificially created one and were the
‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a supplementation policy rather than a
detoxification programme. Its bollox – the excuse perpetrated is
that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’ substance does’nt have a
physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims – the
people who are doing it. The question is this when does one learn or
atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and actually
find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
the chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live
w/out drugs?? Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/
out having compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The
addict is a part of your self which at some point in one life one
will or will not choose to take head on, the addict has needs for
sure but maybe to be listened too not to be fed so that it shuts
up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that
voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to
do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to
initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect free
will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
that rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model??? Is
there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

> From: “Sjonnygee .”
> Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
>
>
> Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
> more………….. sjonny.
>
>
>
>
> From: “matthew zielinski”
> Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
>
>
>
>
> Hey there
>
> I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions
> etc better take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that
> ibo feeling a small dose will do fine
>
> Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give
> u more comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure
> even a small dose will bring u back in to that clear lovey dovey
> state of mind
>
> all the best
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
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From: “Daniel Trivin” <iam@dtrivin.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:57:31 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ed,

Many good points and refreshing to read your post.

Daniel

—–Original Message—–
From: edward conn [mailto:wardconn@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:17 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a

supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox  –

the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one

learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too not

to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is

trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

 

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc
better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small

dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u
more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

 

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:52:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Welcome to Mindvox! Messianic lunatics who sound angry but talk about
love and healing and always arrive with the one correct answer for what
everyone should be doing with themselves are always welcome. Let me
guess, you’ve never been a drug addict either right? Please take a
number and get in line, you’re #51 this year 🙂

Using the reasoning you’ve outlined everybody could just stop doing
drugs without ibogaine in the first place. Which is possible I’m sure,
since many more have done it that way then with ibogaine, but it
doesn’t have a lot to do with anyone I’ve heard talk here in the last 5
years.

.:vector:.

— edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of
old
junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with
uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
supplement
them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’
becomes a
supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its
bollox  –
the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’
substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos
making
the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when
does one
learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and

actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul
to
communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first
the
chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live
w/out
drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out
having
compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a
part of
your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose
to
take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened
too not
to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you
anyone???? So
who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out???
What
does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of
ibogaine is
trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt
effect
free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep
the
pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting
that
rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is
there
ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it
more…………..
sjonny.

 

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc
better
take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling
a small
dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give
u more
comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a
small
dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

 

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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:17:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You know this whole thing about ‘boosters’ – it sounds like a load of old junky talk and boils down to this – not being able to live with uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and supplement them for an artificially created one and were the ‘ibogaine scene’ becomes a supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox  – the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other ‘entheogenic’ substance does’nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making the claims – the people who are doing it. The question is this when does one learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to communicate to them with out the need for artifice – which came first the chicken or the egg – the human or the drug – so humans cant live w/out drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too not to be fed so that it shuts up….sound like a parent to you anyone???? So who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What does wisdom say to do…is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine is trying to initialise in consciousness – awareness??? But it does’nt effect free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices……….

Ed.

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it more………….. sjonny.

 

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there

I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc better take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small dose will do fine

Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u more comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind

all the best

matt

 

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 8:33:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/28/05 5:37:31 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

Hi Sjonny,

What do you mean by residual buildup and can you provide actual dose regimens that are relevant if they are from your experience?

Thanks

Howard

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:58:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Also airs Wednesday the 31st, early morning at 1:00 am PST.

On 8/26/05 8:55 AM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

This one’s on the Discovery Channel, and is due to air Tuesday, Aug. 30th.

AFRICAN VISION QUEST
Bruce faces one of his toughest tests as he is inducted
into Bwiti, a
rainforest religion practiced by the Babongo people of Gabon.
He’s
right to be worried ‹ on occasion the ritual, which involves consuming
an
overdose of a powerful hallucinogenic, iboga, has proved fatal.
This dramatic
episode follows Bruce’s build-up to the ceremony, as he
goes hunting,
collecting forest honey and spends time getting to know
his new friends,
before they judge the time is right for his
“rebirthing” ritual.
Premieres
Tuesday, Aug. 30, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
love rachel, neotribal critic

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 7:55:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Matt bro – yeah you’re right , I’ll look into it more………….. sjonny.
From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400

Hey there
I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc better take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small dose will do fine
Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u more comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind
all the best
matt

 

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 28, 2005 at 7:17:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if you get the discovery network then yes

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:28:10 -0400

Anybody know if it airs in Canada?

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] katrina and new orleans…or maybe biloxi
Date: August 28, 2005 at 7:16:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’ll send my chi their way no doubt

arlo

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] katrina and new orleans…or maybe biloxi
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:59:44 -0400

if you all get the chance, light a candle for the people in the direct
path of Katrina, who is now a category 5 hurricane.  They’re saying
that New Orleans is going to be about 20 ft under water by this time
tomorrow. They’ll need ALL the help they can get.
love tink

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 6:24:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes. I am currently on my third email address with mindvox.

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Monday, 29 August 2005 4:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon

Did you unsubscribe your old addr?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:17:31 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sighs heavily and goes to look for the physical address of concept

mail so
she can fly up there and KICK SOME FUCKING UNRESPONSIVE ASS!!!

Set it to go to the junk pile and we can just pretend it aint
there lol

Kirk

_____

From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 9:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon

This happens to everyone lol , hey Kirk ?  😉

_____

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date:  Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:58:35 -0000 (GMT)
If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned
message
saying:

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***
etc…

This happens each time.
Andy

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…
Date: August 28, 2005 at 5:37:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy
Im happy u had a good journey!!!
Keep it up brother!
Love matt

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…
Date: August 28, 2005 at 4:21:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

After
thinking about this I figure that right now I’m runnin’ on empty and that in
the future I can have as much fuel in my tank as I want to put into it. It’s
true, I am running on empty. I haven’t been doing much for the movement or
even playing any really creative music. I’ve been jamming on blues, but I
could do that asleep. I think it’s time to get moving again and do…<

Right on Randy. Great description.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…

hey-welcome back from tripping the ligth fantastic!!
Love you
tink

On 8/28/05, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
Jasen, I took a 3 mg per kg booster so it was in no way like when I did the
big flood to get off of methadone, I took it about 9 pm and was into it
pretty hard at first. I knew when it hit and I was ready for it, so I laid
back and let it happen. Images of  scary looking art work like Dante’s
Inferno started appearing, evil looking lizard type beings looked like they
were taunting me. I saw what I imagined the toad shaped rocks from Salmon
Rushdie’s book Grimus looked like. I can’t say the sequence of when I saw
these things other than the art work showed up first. I did see some cool
stuff like some Dave Hunter inspired things I’d like to get tattoo’ed onto
my skin somewhere if I could only draw like that. I’ve never had a tattoo
but if someone could make it look like that, I would go for it. Too cool. At
one point I saw these dolphin looking creatures with longer snouts that had
big teeth at the end swim by. The one thying that perplexes me the most was
the empty gas gauge that appeared, plain as day, right in front of my face.
It looked like one from an old sports car or something, you know, the round
ones. That freaked me out so I kept trying to conjour up a guage that had at
least something in it and couldn’t. I did see other gas gauges tho, they
just had no needle indicator to show how much fuel was in there. After
thinking about this I figure that right now I’m runnin’ on empty and that in
the future I can have as much fuel in my tank as I want to put into it. It’s
true, I am running on empty. I haven’t been doing much for the movement or
even playing any really creative music. I’ve been jamming on blues, but I
could do that asleep. I think it’s time to get moving again and do
something. Something I am passionate about. Anyway, it left me wanting to go
deeper and didn’t last very long. I was eating and drinking milk 4 hours
later. I do kind of feel rejuvinated somehow. Maybe it’s the power of
suggestion. I prefer to think the Bwiti ancesters are kicking me in the ass
to get me moving. Whatever, I think it helped.  Muck love to ya my brother
Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] US: Prisoners of Pain
Date: August 28, 2005 at 4:19:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Richard Lake” <rlake@mapinc.org>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>; <drctalk@drcnet.org>; <harmred@drcnet.org>; <DPFT-L@listserv.tamu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] US: Prisoners of Pain

Pubdate: Thu, 1 Sep 2005
Source: AARP The Magazine (US)
Copyright: 2005 AARP
Issue: September/October
Page: 54
Contact: aarpmagazine@aarp.org
Website: http://www.aarpmagazine.org/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/3683
Note: LTEs printed are short, under 100 words
Author: Barry Yeoman
Cited: Drug Enforcement Administration http://www.dea.gov
Cited: American Academy of Pain Medicine http://www.painmed.org
Cited: American Pain Society http://www.ampainsoc.org
Cited: Compassion & Choices http://www.compassionandchoices.org/
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?232 (Chronic Pain)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/morphine
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/oxycontin.htm (Oxycontin/Oxycodone)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/find?136 (Methadone)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/people/Russell+Portenoy
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PRISONERS OF PAIN

Why Are Millions Of Suffering Americans Deing Denied The Prescription Drug Relief They Need?

Deborah Hamalainen was feeling more and more agitated by the minute. Waiting to see her neurologist, she was silently rehearsing a confrontation that had been building for months. She planned to look the doctor directly in the eyes and demand that he treat the chronic pain that had invaded her life.

In the two decades since doctors diagnosed her with multiple sclerosis, Hamalainen learned to tolerate numb extremities, tingling sensations, even the weakness that causes her left foot to drag. And it wasn’t like her to be confrontational. “I’m much happier in denial,” admits the soft-spoken 52-year-old sculptor.

Some physicians fear that if they deliver humane pain care, they’ll face prosecution by the DEA.

The symptoms she couldn’t ignore, though, were the intense shooting pains that raced across her shoulder blades and down her limbs. By the time she arrived for this doctor’s appointment, they were a 24-hour presence. Hamalainen barely slept anymore. Rolling over was an ordeal. When the Medford, New Jersey, resident awoke, stiff and exhausted, she braced her shoulders so they wouldn’t move as she rose. Sometimes, her husband had to pull her upright from the bed.

Every three months for three years, Hamalainen saw this neurologist. Each time, she mentioned the pain. Each time, the doctor deftly changed the subject. Each time, she left in pain.

But this time would be different.

Hamalainen waited quietly as nurses wandered in and out of the examination room, taking her vital signs. Finally, she lost it. “My pain is real,” she said frantically to one of the nurses. “I need relief. Why does he keep refusing to talk to me about it? What do I have to do?”

The nurse turned to her conspiratorially and lowered her voice. “I should not tell you this,” she said. “But he doesn’t want to treat your pain because the treatment that works is opioids, and he’s afraid to prescribe them.”

With that conversation, Hamalainen joined legions of patients who are the victims of a troubling and all-too-common medical practice: the undertreatment of significant and debilitating pain. An estimated 75 million Americans suffer from chronic pain, according to the American Medical Association, and numerous studies have shown that patients often don’t receive the medication that could provide relief. Undertreatment runs as high as 50 percent among advanced-stage cancer patients and 85 percent among older Americans living in long-term care facilities.

Much of this suffering is preventable. Experts do know how to reduce pain safely. In particular, physicians now know that opioid analgesics, medicines such as morphine and oxycodone, provide relief for a wide spectrum of pain problems, with relatively few side effects when taken as prescribed. “We can’t cure everybody who is in pain, but we can make almost everyone feel better,” says Scott Fishman, chief of the division of pain medicine at the University of California, Davis, and president of the American Academy of Pain Medicine. “Becoming a prisoner of pain is not an inevitability.”

The problem is that the most effective medications cause skittishness among many physicians. Poor medical-school training has left them unaware of the tools at their disposal and even the importance of treating pain. Many harbor the false impression that opioids frequently lead to addiction or unmanageable side effects, even when used correctly for a legitimate medical need. ‘Becoming a prisoner of pain is not an inevitability.’

The problem is that the most effective medications cause skittishness among many physicians. Poor medical-school training has left them unaware of the tools at their disposal and even the importance of treating pain. Many harbor the false impression that opioids frequently lead to addiction or unmanageable side effects, even when used correctly for a legitimate medical need.

Worse, some physicians fear that if they deliver humane pain care, they’ll face prosecution by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) or state medical boards. In recent years, a number of respected doctors have been investigated and even prosecuted after prescribing large amounts of opioids. The result, according to experts, is an environment that scares doctors away from practicing good medicine.

“I’ve had prominent physicians call me up and say, ‘I have patients doing well, taking opioids for otherwise treatable pain, but I’m going to stop writing prescriptions because I don’t want the DEA coming into my office and putting handcuffs on me,’ ” says James Campbell, a neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins University. “Five years ago, we were actually doing a better job at handling pain patients. Now we’ve seen a backslide, and patients are definitely the victims. They’re suffering.”

On his first day as a licensed physician, Russell Portenoy had a troubling experience that would influence the course of his career. At the New York City hospital where he was interning, a nurse summoned him to a room where a cancer patient was moaning with abdominal pain. Portenoy knew the woman would benefit from opioids, but he was new at doctoring, so he first phoned the resident in charge to clear his decision.

“I have a patient here. She’s 60 years old, she’s got metastatic ovarian cancer, and she’s in bad pain,” Portenoy told his supervisor.

“What do you want to do?” the resident asked.

“Well, I thought we should give her some pain medicine.”

“What do you want to give her?”

“Morphine.”

There was silence on the other end of the line. It was 1980: even physicians who endorsed opioids for terminally ill patients believed that morphine was too potent and too dangerous. Finally, the resident said, “Look, you’re the doctor. You want to give her morphine, give her morphine.” After further consultation, Portenoy wrote an order for a 3 mg injection, less than one third of what he would likely give her today. He never checked back to see if the medication worked.

The patient was still on Portenoy’s mind the following year when he decided to specialize in pain medicine. “I’d given somebody with severe cancer pain a dose that didn’t have a prayer of providing any benefit,” he says. “My hope is that there was such a profound placebo effect that she didn’t scream the rest of the night.”

Portenoy joined a coterie of pioneers who encouraged their colleagues to become bolder in treating patients’ suffering. They argued that pain is more than a symptom; it’s a disease by itself that can trigger a cascade of other health problems from a weakened immune system to obesity if left untended.

At Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, where he launched his career as a researcher and pain physician, Portenoy initially concentrated on cancer pain. Eventually he discovered that opioid medicines routinely prescribed in advanced-cancer cases also worked for patients without terminal illnesses. They relieved the symptoms without fogging patients’ brains or turning them into addicts. The only major ongoing side effect, constipation, was manageable with other drugs. But when Portenoy shared the news in a 1986 journal article, he received excoriating criticism from his colleagues.

Slowly, time has proven Portenoy correct. In 1996 two leading professional groups declared opioids “an essential part of a pain-management plan.” Five years later, the DEA and 21 health organizations agreed that opioids are often “the most effective way to treat pain and often the only treatment option that provides significant relief.”

Across the United States, hospitals are starting to take the issue seriously, creating programs specializing in pain management. Portenoy’s own department, at New York City’s Beth Israel Medical Center, has 14 physicians, a team of researchers, and training programs for doctors and others. Using opioids and other therapies, these programs have restored normalcy to many lives.

“It’s a miracle,” says 55-year-old Michele Ferreri, a Staten Island, New York, woman who suffers from a painful nerve condition that appeared in the aftermath of shingles. Once unable to get out of bed because of her burning headaches, she started taking extended-release morphine and other medications after seeing Portenoy at Beth Israel. Now she lives an active life, taking her mother shopping, doing laundry, and attending social functions with her husband, a hospital CEO. “I can smile now,” she says. “I can smile and greet people.”

Until recently, there was no legal incentive for doctors to take pain seriously. That’s starting to change. In 2001 a California jury awarded $1.5 million to the family of a lung-cancer patient who lay undermedicated and dying in a hospital near San Francisco. (The award was later reduced in keeping with state law.) Two years later, the California Medical Board reprimanded a physician in a similar case involving a nursing home. These decisions “sound a resounding wake-up call to all health care providers that failure to treat pain attentively will result in accountability,” says Kathryn Tucker, attorney for Compassion & Choices, which litigated the cases.

But the wake-up call hasn’t stirred everyone. Millions of Americans still don’t receive the therapy they need. “The odds of your getting good pain management are, at best, 50-50,” says UC Davis bioethicist Ben Rich.

Studies bear Rich out. One survey of Oregon families, published in 2004, showed that almost half of terminally ill patients were in significant pain or distress during the last week of their lives. In a study of nursing homes in 11 states, Brown University researchers found that two thirds of the residents initially found to be in daily pain were still suffering two to six months later.

But even when treatment is available, patients often reject it because of widely held misconceptions. Popular media play up addiction be it on the TV series ER, where Noah Wyle portrayed a young physician addicted to prescription painkillers, or in tabloid newspapers, which devoted voluminous ink to Rush Limbaugh’s struggle with pain pills in late 2003. Indeed, Limbaugh’s alleged drug of choice, OxyContin (a form of oxycodone), has become popular among rural drug abusers, who chew the pills to destroy their time-release mechanism and get a heroinlike rush.

In reality, for those using opioids as prescribed, the likelihood of addiction is extremely low, according to research. “It’s really an unwarranted fear,” says Christine Miaskowski, former president of the American Pain Society. Many patients do become physiologically dependent, meaning they’d go through withdrawal syndrome if they quit cold turkey but this is a normal condition that can be managed by tapering down the dosage. It’s not the same as addiction, which requires psychological dependence. Experts say patients with a history of drug abuse can safely use opioids too, as long as they are carefully monitored by their physicians to avoid a recurrence of their abusive behaviors.

These reassurances don’t convince everyone. “There is a just-say-no-to-drugs attitude in the United States,” says Diane Meier, a geriatric and palliative-care specialist at New York City’s Mount Sinai Medical Center. “Even my own family will say, ‘I don’t want to be doped up on those drugs.’ ”

Patients aren’t alone in their misinformation. Physicians, trained to suspect there’s an abuser lurking behind every painkiller request and, to be fair, there sometimes is still confuse addiction with physical dependence. The facts don’t dissuade them: although Ferreri has become functional on morphine, her family doctor still “talks to my husband all the time about the amount of medication I’m on, how dangerous it is. He really makes me feel that I’m a drug addict.”

Worse, some physicians simply don’t understand the importance of treating pain at all. Miaskowski, a professor in the physiological nursing department at the University of California, San Francisco, recently completed a study of cancer patients. “We had one patient whose primary care physician told her, ‘Don’t take your pain medicine. Let the pain kill the cancer.’ ” Was this advice offered years before recent advances in pain management? No, she says. “This was 2001.”

There’s another, more ominous reason some doctors don’t treat pain aggressively: they don’t want to end up like Arizona physician Jeri Hassman.

Hassman, a physical medicine and rehabilitation specialist licensed in 1986, opened a solo practice in 1999 to focus on nonsurgical treatments for injured patients. Working with physical therapists and chiropractors, she developed a comprehensive program that includes massage, electrical stimulation, muscle injections, and even posture lessons. She also prescribed painkillers. “Medications are important,” she says. “If you decrease pain, you get better compliance with exercise and other rehabilitation.” Until 2002, she says, “I wasn’t afraid of prescribing strong pain medicines alongside the available therapies.”

Then, in May of that year, federal agents stormed her Tucson office in full view of her patients. They spent eight hours questioning her staff, seizing patient files and appointment logs, and copying the hard drives off her computers. According to a government brief, the DEA had been contacted by pharmacists “concerned about the large amounts of narcotic drugs that were being prescribed for Dr. Hassman’s patients, plus the frequency with which they were returning for refills.” The druggists were also concerned that some medicines had fallen into the hands of nonpatients, the brief said. Hassman was arrested and charged with 320 counts of illegally distributing narcotics and 41 counts of health care fraud.

Just before the case was scheduled for trial, federal prosecutors offered Hassman a plea agreement, allowing her to plead guilty to four counts of failing to report prescription abuse. Unwilling to risk a jury trial, Hassman accepted the offer. She was sentenced to two years’ probation and agreed to surrender her DEA license to prescribe controlled substances.

Hassman was relatively lucky. This April, Virginia pain specialist William Hurwitz was sentenced to 25 years in prison for drug trafficking after prescribing large doses of painkillers such as OxyContin, morphine, and methadone to his patients. One of his patients died after taking a very high dose of morphine. DEA officials likened Hurwitz to a heroin dealer. Others, though, testified that Hurwitz provided them with the only effective relief they had ever received for debilitating pain.

Though the DEA wouldn’t comment for this article, it has previously insisted that it only goes after bad apples. “Our focus is not on pain doctors. Our focus is on people who divert drugs,” agency official Patricia Good said during a 2004 teleconference. But physician groups and patient advocates point to a growing list of respected pain doctors who have been prosecuted by the DEA and by state medical boards. They say that while the DEA has a legitimate interest in preventing the diversion of harmful drugs, the agency’s adversarial zeal has grown in the past four or five years.

For its part, the DEA notes that it arrests fewer than 100 doctors a year on drug-diversion charges, hardly a full-scale attack on the profession. The numbers hardly matter, though, because the arrests, and the publicity surrounding them, have created a chilling effect. “Every time a physician picks up a newspaper or hears an account of some physician who has been accused of inappropriately prescribing controlled substances, it reinforces the proposition bad things can happen to you when you attempt to manage patients’ pain aggressively but appropriately,” says bioethicist Ben Rich. “Doctors don’t say, ‘I’ll be more judicious and that won’t happen to me.’ Their reaction is, ‘I don’t need this.’ ”

It took Deborah Hamalainen another year, plus the encouragement of a friend, to find effective treatment for her pain. Early one morning, the two women took an 80-mile bus trip to New York City, then took a taxi downtown to Beth Israel Medical Center. There, Hamalainen met with pain specialist Russell Portenoy, who found her story credible. Portenoy explained to Hamalainen that he couldn’t cure her multiple sclerosis, but he could control her symptoms. “The goal is to focus on the pain itself, to get you comfortable, and to help you function,” he told her.

After monitoring several medications for side effects, Portenoy and Hamalainen settled on fentanyl, a synthetic opioid delivered through an adhesive patch worn on her lower back. She uses oxycodone as a “rescue” drug when the fentanyl isn’t effective.

As Portenoy predicted, the medicine hasn’t eliminated the source of Hamalainen’s pain. In fact, the multiple sclerosis has progressed. She’s been losing feeling in her hands and feet, dropping objects, and tripping. She relies on a pair of canes to get around. Still, with the pain under control, Hamalainen has been able to return to her art. She recently had a mixed-media exhibition at the gallery where she used to work. In one sculpture, she took old canes, including the ones her father used after he lost a leg to diabetes, and smashed them with an ax, then enclosed them in a clear plastic exhibition box.

When the pain was at its worst, Hamalainen contemplated suicide. Now, with opioids to relieve the symptoms, Hamalainen can envision a productive artistic future. “Being able to be creative again has been thrilling,” she says. “It’s like having a new life.”

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 3:35:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey there
I guess it depends what u are lookin for…….if u want visions etc better take a biger dose…..if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a small dose will do fine
Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u more comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind
all the best
matt

 

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 28, 2005 at 3:28:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 12:26:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Did you unsubscribe your old addr?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:17:31 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Sighs heavily and goes to look for the physical address of concept

mail so
she can fly up there and KICK SOME FUCKING UNRESPONSIVE ASS!!!

Set it to go to the junk pile and we can just pretend it aint
there lol

Kirk

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From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 9:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon

This happens to everyone lol , hey Kirk ?  😉

_____

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date:  Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:58:35 -0000 (GMT)
If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned
message
saying:

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***
etc…

This happens each time.
Andy

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] meditation
Date: August 28, 2005 at 11:37:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have actually been checking this out recently at the advice of friends
(and it’s part of the 11th step which I am on).  My experience was that I
couldn’t sit still for more than a few minutes and the whole time was just
repeated realizations that I was lost in thought.  After 3 to 5 minutes of
that I would just get frustrated and give it up.  And after trying that for
3 or 4 days a week for a week and half or so I would just stop doing it with
the major criticism being that I wasn’t seeing any positive results.

So after talking to people about it and their experiences with it I was told
two things which I feel are important.  First that there are different ways
to meditate and that getting hung up on one idea of how it’s supposed to be
done isn’t helpful.  So I have had to let go of my concept of what proper
mediation is a little.  I like to read a lot of Buddhist literature and I
tended to think of meditation as a state of no-thought, something I cannot
achieve.  The second thing that someone who meditates daily told me was that
initially, the greatest benefit will come from the discipline of doing it
daily and not so much from the sitting itself.

One thing that had often turned me off to meditation is the time investment
people would talk about.  Someone would say, “oh if you do it for an hour a
day for a few months you’ll be amazed…” and I would think, “yeah right,
who has an extra hour a day to sit and meditate?”

But my more recent experience has been more positive.  I sit every morning
for 3-5 minutes, however long I feel like.  And I don’t put any expectations
on it about having fewer thoughts or catching them quicker or concentrating
on the breath or anything else.  I just sit and try and be with the spirit
of the universe for a few minutes, nothing more.  And I have to say that now
I am experiencing a positive benefit.  I feel lighter when I am done and
more ready to face the day.  My head will start churning about the shit I
need to do for work before I even get out of bed and sitting in the morning
is a good way of stopping that mental traffic for a few and starting with a
clearer mental space.
Matt

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From: abeatty@mail2go.com [mailto:abeatty@mail2go.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:07 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation

I don’t mean to sound preachy, but this means so much to me that I want to
share:

Please keep meditating, even off and on.

Start by sitting still, just 5 min. Do this for a month (week..) and your
life
will change. Try for 20 min., an hour. This calms the body. Observe your
thoughts. Let them go. Silence your thoughts. When thoughts arise again,
silence
the thoughts. Sit in the silence. Keep still.

Most of us don’t live in reality, especially us on drugs, etc. We see
reality
through a veil. Most addicts, at least, know about the veil.

Meditation can get us in touch with reality. It can break the attachments
that
hook us into patterns through thoughts.

This can be done alone, at home, for free. It’s nice to have a group, too,
for
support.
You may go to most buddhist meditation groups without telling your story.
It’s
not like AA. It’s not a religion either.

Good luck,
Andy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] katrina and new orleans…or maybe biloxi
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:59:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

if you all get the chance, light a candle for the people in the direct
path of Katrina, who is now a category 5 hurricane.  They’re saying
that New Orleans is going to be about 20 ft under water by this time
tomorrow. They’ll need ALL the help they can get.
love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:55:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey-welcome back from tripping the ligth fantastic!!
Love you
tink

On 8/28/05, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
Jasen, I took a 3 mg per kg booster so it was in no way like when I did the
big flood to get off of methadone, I took it about 9 pm and was into it
pretty hard at first. I knew when it hit and I was ready for it, so I laid
back and let it happen. Images of  scary looking art work like Dante’s
Inferno started appearing, evil looking lizard type beings looked like they
were taunting me. I saw what I imagined the toad shaped rocks from Salmon
Rushdie’s book Grimus looked like. I can’t say the sequence of when I saw
these things other than the art work showed up first. I did see some cool
stuff like some Dave Hunter inspired things I’d like to get tattoo’ed onto
my skin somewhere if I could only draw like that. I’ve never had a tattoo
but if someone could make it look like that, I would go for it. Too cool. At
one point I saw these dolphin looking creatures with longer snouts that had
big teeth at the end swim by. The one thying that perplexes me the most was
the empty gas gauge that appeared, plain as day, right in front of my face.
It looked like one from an old sports car or something, you know, the round
ones. That freaked me out so I kept trying to conjour up a guage that had at
least something in it and couldn’t. I did see other gas gauges tho, they
just had no needle indicator to show how much fuel was in there. After
thinking about this I figure that right now I’m runnin’ on empty and that in
the future I can have as much fuel in my tank as I want to put into it. It’s
true, I am running on empty. I haven’t been doing much for the movement or
even playing any really creative music. I’ve been jamming on blues, but I
could do that asleep. I think it’s time to get moving again and do
something. Something I am passionate about. Anyway, it left me wanting to go
deeper and didn’t last very long. I was eating and drinking milk 4 hours
later. I do kind of feel rejuvinated somehow. Maybe it’s the power of
suggestion. I prefer to think the Bwiti ancesters are kicking me in the ass
to get me moving. Whatever, I think it helped.  Muck love to ya my brother
Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…
Date: August 28, 2005 at 9:13:10 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, I took a 3 mg per kg booster so it was in no way like when I did the big flood to get off of methadone, I took it about 9 pm and was into it pretty hard at first. I knew when it hit and I was ready for it, so I laid back and let it happen. Images of  scary looking art work like Dante’s Inferno started appearing, evil looking lizard type beings looked like they were taunting me. I saw what I imagined the toad shaped rocks from Salmon Rushdie’s book Grimus looked like. I can’t say the sequence of when I saw these things other than the art work showed up first. I did see some cool stuff like some Dave Hunter inspired things I’d like to get tattoo’ed onto my skin somewhere if I could only draw like that. I’ve never had a tattoo but if someone could make it look like that, I would go for it. Too cool. At one point I saw these dolphin looking creatures with longer snouts that had big teeth at the end swim by. The one thying that perplexes me the most was the empty gas gauge that appeared, plain as day, right in front of my face. It looked like one from an old sports car or something, you know, the round ones. That freaked me out so I kept trying to conjour up a guage that had at least something in it and couldn’t. I did see other gas gauges tho, they just had no needle indicator to show how much fuel was in there. After thinking about this I figure that right now I’m runnin’ on empty and that in the future I can have as much fuel in my tank as I want to put into it. It’s true, I am running on empty. I haven’t been doing much for the movement or even playing any really creative music. I’ve been jamming on blues, but I could do that asleep. I think it’s time to get moving again and do something. Something I am passionate about. Anyway, it left me wanting to go deeper and didn’t last very long. I was eating and drinking milk 4 hours later. I do kind of feel rejuvinated somehow. Maybe it’s the power of suggestion. I prefer to think the Bwiti ancesters are kicking me in the ass to get me moving. Whatever, I think it helped.  Muck love to ya my brother        Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 7:37:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Capt,

I will keep slaying those daemons as long as they keep comming.
They are very easy to deal with.

I only have to use one finger and there gone.

love from Jasen the Daemon slayer.

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Boosters
Date: August 28, 2005 at 5:36:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Make sure u have  a plan if u get an uncontroloble craving—maybe a booster >?   –  Matt
I want to
second the idea that a booster might help.   –  Mark
Can anyone suggest how many mgs. more or less would be in a booster ?  Should it be anything above 300mgs or so ?  Also, how much time should be given between doses -(I’m thinking about residual build up here……………… Thanks, sjonny.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:27:31 EDT

I was wondering what was up with Dave. It’s good to see him at work and ever evolving. I took a booster Thursday night and was thinking of Dave because I saw stuff that looked like  something he would have a hand in. That was the cool part, this time my visions weren’t all nice and soothing. I saw some pretty scary stuff. Maybe I was looking for that, I don’t know. I tried to go into it with no preconceived notions and saw a lot of death looking things and saw a gas tank that was on empty. I’m still thinking about it and haven’t slept much since. I guess you get what you need from it and I’ll figure it out sometime in the future.         Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow     (George Clinton)        Randy
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 5:21:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This began happening a few months back and it’s only on Ibogaine and only my
mailbox that apparently is constantly full. Have been emailing, telephoning
and have a letter written and was going to send that but then wouldn’t ya
know it my printer runs out of INK (and people wonder why I use drugs? Lmao)
so I have been trying and patrick even tried but there are no human beings
at concept, apparently.  I have even emailed their sales address. Still
nothing.  I’m so mad at concept, I have been refusing to pay to phone them
but if I have to keep explaining this error message then I just gonna have
to pay.
I know, I’m cheap lol
Like I said, trash it.. you won’t see it again
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: abeatty@mail2go.com [mailto:abeatty@mail2go.com]
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 8:59 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon

If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned message saying:

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***
etc…

This happens each time.
Andy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 5:17:31 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sighs heavily and goes to look for the physical address of concept mail so she can fly up there and KICK SOME FUCKING UNRESPONSIVE ASS!!!
Set it to go to the junk pile and we can just pretend it aint there lol
Kirk
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 9:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon

This happens to everyone lol , hey Kirk ?  😉

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date:  Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:58:35 -0000 (GMT)
>If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned message saying:
>
>This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.
>
>I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
>could not be delivered due to the following error.
>
>*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***
>etc…
>
>This happens each time.
>Andy
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 5:02:54 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This happens to everyone lol , hey Kirk ?  😉

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date:  Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:58:35 -0000 (GMT)
>If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned message saying:
>
>This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.
>
>I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] mailer daemon
Date: August 28, 2005 at 4:58:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If I post a message, it posts, but I also receive a returned message saying:

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] meditation
Date: August 28, 2005 at 4:20:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh that’s the hardest part is quieting the mind! But you are right… it’s
practise that makes it work.  Add breathing exercises with it, and you’ll
find a few months down the track, as soon as you start the breathing, your
body seems to remember what you’re going to do, and it relaxes instantly. At
least that’s what my ex tells me! And it makes sense.
We did a lot of guided meditations in the groups (that’s where the Spiritual
Aspirin one came from) and it was always interesting seeing where you went
with simple instructions from the woman running the group. She also did
healing (has some amazing crystals, gave me a  most beautiful piece of
Turquoise, my birthstone), channelling, mediumship etc etc.  Very
interesting experiences over a two year period I must say!!!!!
Anyway, yeh find something you click with, there are loads of methods out
there, but it has to feel good to you.
When I’m done procrastinating I’ll get back into it… I could sit here now
and give excuses for the next ten minutes, but I aint even gonna bother!!
They are just that anyway.. excuses!
Luff luffs
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: abeatty@mail2go.com [mailto:abeatty@mail2go.com]
Sent: Sunday, 28 August 2005 8:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation

I don’t mean to sound preachy, but this means so much to me that I want to
share:

Please keep meditating, even off and on.

Start by sitting still, just 5 min. Do this for a month (week..) and your
life
will change. Try for 20 min., an hour. This calms the body. Observe your
thoughts. Let them go. Silence your thoughts. When thoughts arise again,
silence
the thoughts. Sit in the silence. Keep still.

Most of us don’t live in reality, especially us on drugs, etc. We see
reality
through a veil. Most addicts, at least, know about the veil.

Meditation can get us in touch with reality. It can break the attachments
that
hook us into patterns through thoughts.

This can be done alone, at home, for free. It’s nice to have a group, too,
for
support.
You may go to most buddhist meditation groups without telling your story.
It’s
not like AA. It’s not a religion either.

Good luck,
Andy

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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation
Date: August 28, 2005 at 4:07:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t mean to sound preachy, but this means so much to me that I want to
share:

Please keep meditating, even off and on.

Start by sitting still, just 5 min. Do this for a month (week..) and your life
will change. Try for 20 min., an hour. This calms the body. Observe your
thoughts. Let them go. Silence your thoughts. When thoughts arise again,
silence
the thoughts. Sit in the silence. Keep still.

Most of us don’t live in reality, especially us on drugs, etc. We see reality
through a veil. Most addicts, at least, know about the veil.

Meditation can get us in touch with reality. It can break the attachments that
hook us into patterns through thoughts.

This can be done alone, at home, for free. It’s nice to have a group, too, for
support.
You may go to most buddhist meditation groups without telling your story. It’s
not like AA. It’s not a religion either.

Good luck,
Andy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Krista & staying clean.
Date: August 28, 2005 at 2:30:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Krista,  I too have never clicked with 12 steps, and I’m still on
methadone but the longest clean time was during a time where I found an
excellent group and did two years worth of courses called inner growth and
spiritual development. What I feel helped in that time was meditation, and
after 2 years I was very calm, positive, happy…. not perfectly so, but
able to deal with most stresses which tend to come our way….and which
always gives me my excuse to run for a drug (saying “and people wonder why I
take drugs?? Grr mumble mutter mutter).
Anyway…..I wonder if you’ve tried any kind of meditation type exercise?
I was clean for 3 months after coming off methadone quickly and was very
positive and happy during detox (whilst still feeling like shite).  Sadly,
the people running the courses decided to take them overseas, and left
nothing here, I was still with co-dependant partner, and little by little I
went back to using.
Bugger!
C’est la vie.
I hope you find a method that helps, although I realize it’s a combination
of changes and efforts that ultimately do the trick..
All the best with it
Kirk xx

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message to Randy…
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:43:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

C’mon mate,..cough it up,..please go into detail
about your second journey.

I love you bro. Regards to miniyou.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister

Shirley, tell Martee that Randy sends his love.           Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:40:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You go Shelley Baby,…wooooo hoo.  6 months rocks,..

it just keeps getting better. Love to your awesome
sister. I miss her.

with love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: m.finman
To: ibo
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister

Hi All,
To everyone who lit candles for me on Feb 20th, 2005:
Thanks for the positive energy…. just made 6 months!
Shirley
From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:11:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Congratulations.
From: m.finman [mailto:mafinman@optonline.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:01 PM
To: ibo
Subject: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister

Hi All,
To everyone who lit candles for me on Feb 20th, 2005:
Thanks for the positive energy…. just made 6 months!
Shirley
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:07:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Shirley, tell Martee that Randy sends his love.           Randy

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Message from Martee’s Sister
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:00:37 PM EDT
To: ibo <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All,
To everyone who lit candles for me on Feb 20th, 2005:
Thanks for the positive energy…. just made 6 months!
Shirley
From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: August 27, 2005 at 10:24:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi KV ,Ive tried lifering & smart -post 12 step days , I did smart for a year or so, they are secular style ,have their place, now I do therapy instead, but not for a “disease”, more so to get past my patterning & story stuff, all are helpful & suit me for where I’m at in my growth -wish you the best -shell

Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow I love the pictures orbiting around the center. Thank you, this
has made my afternoon 🙂

I’ve a question for you Patrick, if you read this if you don’t read it
for a month that’s ok I understand 😉 but you and Dave Hunter do a
lot of work together, with his art and your words which is beautiful.
What I’d like to ask is about one of the addiction series articles
from Heroin Times, I think it’s from 2002, wait let me find it.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-12A3.htm~mainFrame

You co-wrote a article with Dave including the 12 steps. All of your
writing in the beginning was very anti-12 step and trashed all of it,
near the last piece you wrote for Heroin Times, you and Dave both
wrote a very open minded and accepting article which didn’t trash
anything. At the same time all of you, by which I mean most of Mindvox
and certainly everone listed in the contributing editors section,
doesn’t work the 12 steps and when Steven Anker posts he writes long
very funny but strongly anti-step material to this day but in the file
he’s listed as being editor of, the Keeping Clean section, it has alot
of 12 step material and quotes from people working the steps, then the
rest of it is Stanton Peele and Peter Cohen who both make a living
trashing the 12 steps or for Peter, trashing the concept that
addiction is even real. The only other article in there is from Lee,
who I like to read and it’s a good article but it doesn’t really have
anything to do with drug addiction or deal with what the main issues
are when you stop doing drugs.

I’m asking all this because I’m curious what all of you do to stay
clean, the steps have never worked for me either but it’s not even
that, it’s what all of you have written about, the people in the rooms
drive me crazy and when I in there I walk out feeling ilke I need to
get high after listening to all the war stories.

Are there any good support groups out there that are not 12 step
based, any of you or anyone else on list had good experiences with
them?

KV

On 8/27/05, Patrick K. Kroupa wrote:
> Dave has once again iterated Gammalyte a few levels beyond where it
> was, and the results are pretty fucking amazing. If you’re into
> psychedelic art, you should check it out. Many truly beautiful and
> utterly cool imageS, bursts of illumination and darkness, and rockin’
> eYe CandY:
>
> http://www.gammalyte.com/
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> Patrick
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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 27, 2005 at 10:16:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the commercial shows shows Bwiti people the European dude vomiting. Ibo is most likely invovled

From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:06:52 -0000 (GMT)

Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
participant a real man.
Andy

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: August 27, 2005 at 5:25:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow I love the pictures orbiting around the center. Thank you, this
has made my afternoon 🙂

I’ve a question for you Patrick, if you read this if you don’t read it
for a month that’s ok I understand 😉 but you and Dave Hunter do a
lot of work together, with his art and your words which is beautiful.
What I’d like to ask is about one of the addiction series articles
from Heroin Times, I think it’s from 2002, wait let me find it.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HT-12A3.htm~mainFrame

You co-wrote a article with Dave including the 12 steps. All of your
writing in the beginning was very anti-12 step and trashed all of it,
near the last piece you wrote for Heroin Times, you and Dave both
wrote a very open minded and accepting article which didn’t trash
anything. At the same time all of you, by which I mean most of Mindvox
and certainly everone listed in the contributing editors section,
doesn’t work the 12 steps and when Steven Anker posts he writes long
very funny but strongly anti-step material to this day but in the file
he’s listed as being editor of, the Keeping Clean section, it has alot
of 12 step material and quotes from people working the steps, then the
rest of it is Stanton Peele and Peter Cohen who both make a living
trashing the 12 steps or for Peter, trashing the concept that
addiction is even real. The only other article in there is from Lee,
who I like to read and it’s a good article but it doesn’t really have
anything to do with drug addiction or deal with what the main issues
are when you stop doing drugs.

I’m asking all this because I’m curious what all of you do to stay
clean, the steps have never worked for me either but it’s not even
that, it’s what all of you have written about, the people in the rooms
drive me crazy and when I in there I walk out feeling ilke I need to
get high after listening to all the war stories.

Are there any good support groups out there that are not 12 step
based, any of you or anyone else on list had good experiences with
them?

KV

On 8/27/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Dave has once again iterated Gammalyte a few levels beyond where it
was, and the results are pretty fucking amazing.  If you’re into
psychedelic art, you should check it out.  Many truly beautiful and
utterly cool imageS, bursts of illumination and darkness, and rockin’
eYe CandY:

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Patrick

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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: August 27, 2005 at 11:21:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WoW!
That is some killer eye candy!
I never knew that Dave was a poster artist as well..and apparently  Steve Kimock digs him enough to use his stuff a lot!
Jerry Garcia called Steve his favorite guitarist and SK’s work in the first post Jerry Dead Configurations is among my favorite of that era…

Going to Howl Fest today to work the Ibo Table with Rachy.

Freak Freely!
Jeff

On 8/27/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Dave has once again iterated Gammalyte a few levels beyond where it
was, and the results are pretty fucking amazing.  If you’re into
psychedelic art, you should check it out.  Many truly beautiful and
utterly cool imageS, bursts of illumination and darkness, and rockin’
eYe CandY:

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Patrick

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: August 27, 2005 at 8:27:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was wondering what was up with Dave. It’s good to see him at work and ever evolving. I took a booster Thursday night and was thinking of Dave because I saw stuff that looked like  something he would have a hand in. That was the cool part, this time my visions weren’t all nice and soothing. I saw some pretty scary stuff. Maybe I was looking for that, I don’t know. I tried to go into it with no preconceived notions and saw a lot of death looking things and saw a gas tank that was on empty. I’m still thinking about it and haven’t slept much since. I guess you get what you need from it and I’ll figure it out sometime in the future.         Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow     (George Clinton)        Randy

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Psych3del1c ArT
Date: August 27, 2005 at 2:50:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dave has once again iterated Gammalyte a few levels beyond where it was, and the results are pretty fucking amazing.  If you’re into psychedelic art, you should check it out.  Many truly beautiful and utterly cool imageS, bursts of illumination and darkness, and rockin’ eYe CandY:

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Patrick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 7:59:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks kindly for this. I’ll be sure to try and remember to watch it this Tuesday.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal

This one’s on the Discovery Channel, and is due to air Tuesday, Aug. 30th.
AFRICAN VISION QUEST
Bruce faces one of his toughest tests as he is inducted into Bwiti, a
rainforest religion practiced by the Babongo people of Gabon. He’s
right to be worried — on occasion the ritual, which involves consuming
an overdose of a powerful hallucinogenic, iboga, has proved fatal.
This dramatic episode follows Bruce’s build-up to the ceremony, as he
goes hunting, collecting forest honey and spends time getting to know
his new friends, before they judge the time is right for his
“rebirthing” ritual.
Premieres Tuesday, Aug. 30, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
love rachel, neotribal critic

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Venus and Jupiter Converge!
Date: August 26, 2005 at 4:52:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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NASA Science News for August 26, 2005

Venus, Jupiter and the Moon are gathering for a beautiful sunset sky show.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 3:15:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it was put out as part of a series called “Tribe” on bbc earlier in
the year. I guess Discovery have repackaged a bit.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 August 2005 16:56
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal

This one’s on the Discovery Channel, and is due to air Tuesday,
Aug. 30th.
AFRICAN VISION QUEST
Bruce faces one of his toughest tests as he is inducted into Bwiti, a
rainforest religion practiced by the Babongo people of Gabon. He’s
right to be worried — on occasion the ritual, which involves consuming
an overdose of a powerful hallucinogenic, iboga, has proved fatal.
This dramatic episode follows Bruce’s build-up to the ceremony, as he
goes hunting, collecting forest honey and spends time getting to know
his new friends, before they judge the time is right for his
“rebirthing” ritual.
Premieres Tuesday, Aug. 30, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
love rachel, neotribal critic

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 1:35:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I’ve no idea if it’s the BBC programme or not (if it is, I can’t recommend watching it enough!)  but on a different subject………… You told of taking a booster a few days ago; How many mg’s of Hcl. was in the booster and what did you get out of it ?  Cheers Sjonny.
&nb sp;

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:31:02 -0400

Is it the same Going Tribal, or a North American knock-off, as we’ve done with other European or BBC television shows over the years?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal

Going Tribal was a BBC series with ex royal marine Bruce Parry visiting and living among various tribal groups around the world such as the Suri in Venezuela, Shaman in Ethiopia and the main group of interest for this list , the Gabonese Bwiti. Seeing him undergo the full initiation with Iboga is awesome and well worth watching.
                                                              sjonny.

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date:  Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:12 -0000 (GMT)
>Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
>initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
>said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
>participant a real man.
>Andy
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 1:12:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you Rachel

On 8/26/05, Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
This one’s on the Discovery Channel, and is due to air Tuesday, Aug. 30th.
AFRICAN VISION QUEST
Bruce faces one of his toughest tests as he is inducted into Bwiti, a
rainforest religion practiced by the Babongo people of Gabon. He’s
right to be worried — on occasion the ritual, which involves consuming
an overdose of a powerful hallucinogenic, iboga, has proved fatal.
This dramatic episode follows Bruce’s build-up to the ceremony, as he
goes hunting, collecting forest honey and spends time getting to know
his new friends, before they judge the time is right for his
“rebirthing” ritual.
Premieres Tuesday, Aug. 30, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
love rachel, neotribal critic

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 11:55:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This one’s on the Discovery Channel, and is due to air Tuesday, Aug. 30th.
AFRICAN VISION QUEST
Bruce faces one of his toughest tests as he is inducted into Bwiti, a
rainforest religion practiced by the Babongo people of Gabon. He’s
right to be worried — on occasion the ritual, which involves consuming
an overdose of a powerful hallucinogenic, iboga, has proved fatal.
This dramatic episode follows Bruce’s build-up to the ceremony, as he
goes hunting, collecting forest honey and spends time getting to know
his new friends, before they judge the time is right for his
“rebirthing” ritual.
Premieres Tuesday, Aug. 30, at 10 p.m. ET/PT
love rachel, neotribal critic

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 9:59:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Knock off-

On 8/26/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Is it the same Going Tribal, or a North American knock-off, as we’ve done
with other European or BBC television shows over the years?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal

Going Tribal was a BBC series with ex royal marine Bruce Parry visiting and
living among various tribal groups around the world such as the Suri in
Venezuela, Shaman in Ethiopia and the main group of interest for this list ,
the Gabonese Bwiti. Seeing him undergo the full initiation with Iboga is
awesome and well worth watching.

sjonny.

________________________________

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date:  Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:12 -0000 (GMT)
Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but
they
said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
participant a real man.
Andy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 8:31:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Is it the same Going Tribal, or a North American knock-off, as we’ve done with other European or BBC television shows over the years?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal

Going Tribal was a BBC series with ex royal marine Bruce Parry visiting and living among various tribal groups around the world such as the Suri in Venezuela, Shaman in Ethiopia and the main group of interest for this list , the Gabonese Bwiti. Seeing him undergo the full initiation with Iboga is awesome and well worth watching.
                                                              sjonny.

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date:  Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:12 -0000 (GMT)
>Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
>initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
>said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
>participant a real man.
>Andy
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 5:42:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Going Tribal was a BBC series with ex royal marine Bruce Parry visiting and living among various tribal groups around the world such as the Suri in Venezuela, Shaman in Ethiopia and the main group of interest for this list , the Gabonese Bwiti. Seeing him undergo the full initiation with Iboga is awesome and well worth watching.
                                                              sjonny.

From:  abeatty@mail2go.com
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date:  Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:12 -0000 (GMT)
>Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
>initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
>said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
>participant a real man.
>Andy
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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 3:11:12 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
participant a real man.
Andy

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Subject: [Ibogaine] bwiti on Going Tribal
Date: August 26, 2005 at 2:06:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just saw a short preview for Going Tribal, TV show, that shows a Bwiti
initiation ceremony on the next episode. No mention of ibogaine yet, but they
said it includes the ingestion of a halucinogen, and the rite will make the
participant a real man.
Andy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 25, 2005 at 11:24:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

speaking of C-130s and the military, some article or note I was reading the other day had someone pointing out that of all the PSAs that our taxes pay for, the anti-youth sex, anti-ddrunk driving, anti-drug, anti-whatever, they are all geared towards (or so “they” say) protecting our youth, helping parents in their task as protectors and guides for their kids. But those advertising military service as a “finishing school” or however it was expressed, does exactly the opposite of all these other stupid PSAs- it tell parents to throw their kids right into death’s path without ever making it clear that’s the risk that comes with military service, that the military isn’t all just cool jobs in front of computers in airconditioned rooms out of harm’s way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

strange americans, eh?  NO KIDDING!!!
A nation of excessive people with their heads shoved up their
collective ass, watching Jerry Springer and smoking crack, while
keeping reality at bay through more medication, religion (the opiate
of the masses) and the general belief that if you wave a flag and blow
something up, it’ll fix it everything. Okay, not all of us, but
puh-leeeze!!
I”M COMING, KIRKIE!!!  BE THERE SOONER THAN LATER!!
tink
On 8/25/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

sheering combs=”s punk
kiwi’s fought like  mean muggers at galipolii for yer military historians
and hear they got good wine

—– Original Message —– From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to
civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
sjonny
(GB)

[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL

http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html

Luff luff

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT- fodder for laughter
Date: August 25, 2005 at 4:55:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I had to repost this….too funny.

Marriage & Choices
>>>
>>>       A man wanted to get married. He was having trouble choosing among
>>> three likely candidates. He gives each woman a present of $5,000 and
>>> watches to see what they do with the money.
>>>
>>>       The first does a total make over. She goes to a fancy beauty salon
>>> gets her hair done, new make up and buys several new outfits and dresses
>>> up very nicely for the man. She tells him that she has done this to be
>>> more attractive for him because she loves him so much. The man was
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>>       The second goes shopping to buy the man gifts. She gets him a new
>>> set of golf clubs, some new gizmos for his computer, and some expensive
>>> clothes. As she presents these gifts, she tells him that she has spent
>>> all the money on him because she loves him so much.
>>>
>>>       Again, the man is impressed.
>>>
>>>       The third invests the money in the stock market. She earns several
>>> times the $5,000. She gives him back his $5000 and reinvests the
>>> remainder in a joint account. She tells him that she wants to save for
>>> their future because she loves him so much. Obviously, the man was
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>>       The man thought for a long time about what each woman had done
>>> with the money he’d given her. Then, he married the one with the biggest
>>> boobs. Men are like that, you know.
>>>
>>>       There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra
>>> today than on Alzheimer’s research. This means that by 2040, there
>>> should be a large elderly population with perky boobs, huge erections
>>> and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       If you don’t send this to five OLD friends right away there will
>>> be five fewer people laughing in the world.
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: CMEs en route to Earth could spark auroras
Date: August 25, 2005 at 11:56:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2005 11:45 AM
Subject: CMEs en route to Earth could spark auroras
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for August 23, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

Big sunspot 798 exploded twice yesterday, August 22nd, and hurled a
pair of coronal mass ejections apparently toward Earth. Geomagnetic
storms are possible when the clouds arrive. Sky watchers should be
alert for auroras during the nights of August 23rd and 24th.  High
latitudes are favored: e.g., Canada, Alaska and northern-tier US
states from Washington to Maine.

Visit http://SpaceWeather.com for more information and updates and–a
bonus–a rare photograph of a green flash from the Moon.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 25, 2005 at 11:50:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

strange americans, eh?  NO KIDDING!!!
A nation of excessive people with their heads shoved up their
collective ass, watching Jerry Springer and smoking crack, while
keeping reality at bay through more medication, religion (the opiate
of the masses) and the general belief that if you wave a flag and blow
something up, it’ll fix it everything. Okay, not all of us, but
puh-leeeze!!
I”M COMING, KIRKIE!!!  BE THERE SOONER THAN LATER!!
tink
On 8/25/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

sheering combs=”s punk
kiwi’s fought like  mean muggers at galipolii for yer military historians
and hear they got good wine

—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to
civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
sjonny
(GB)

[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL

http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html

Luff luff

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 25, 2005 at 11:44:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron-
You’re sense of humour and a whole other side of you has come shining
through in the last few weeks, and I, for one, find it a very welcome
sight when i open my emails.  As for disrespect, I don’t think it gets
much more disrespectful than a slew of people ganging up on one person
repeatedly.
I also don’t have the space issues with my email and would like to
extend an open invitation to anyone on the list who wants an invite
for gmail(which has a huge amount of space, no spam, and no problems)
to email me, so i can send you one.  That way, NOONE will have the “it
doesn’t fit in my mailbox” problem, hopefully solving some of this
ridiculousness.
In the meanwhile, KEEP POSTING!! you’ve provided some seriously needed
smiles and laughter with some of the things you’ve sent, and I’ll miss
it if it isn’t here to read.
YOU GO, RON!!!
And I want a picture of you n the clown suit as well…
love
tink
On 8/25/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

it’ll have to be much larger than that. we got 2 many klonz as it tiz ron

—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

Oh for feks sake it was ONE LARGE EMAIL~!!!!!!!

I’m getting annoyed now….

I think he’s been told enuff don’t you?

Those last photos were tiny….. no bigger than stuff other people have sent
WITHOUT getting so much dung thrown at them for doing it.

Geez.

I’ve been told by more than one person that I post too much (but majority of
them didn’t have the guts to winj to me about it… I guess you know WHO YOU
ARE!! Haaaaa :oP~~~@).. hey I made the top 3, and can only hope I was
sitting in number ONE positi corrrdo,romon there for a while.

And Ron has cheered up…. Do you not remember what he was like in the past???

Bloody hell  just how damn perfect are some of you out there?

Love n hugs n kisses from one who will never be perfect.

And fekking happy about it too.

Yo  Ron still waiting for the 10  megabyte photo of you in the clown suit!!!

Heh

Kirkxxxxxxxxxx

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From: Lorenzo [mailto:lorenzo-aguila@excite.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for others
who are not
you, not because of content of what you say, nobody ask you to change your
thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer up once in while but ask you to stop
sending
huge photo messages. Why do you feel need to become more annoying in way
that is obviously on purpose?

Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it results on
re-doubled effort
to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I don’t understand computers!’ and
then keep
doing it.

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I turn
off web graphics in
browser I have email partition set for list that keep filling up with junk.

Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked, I too
am asking,
please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Tue 08/23, Ron Davis < rwd3@cox.net > wrote: From: Ron Davis [mailto:
rwd3@cox.net] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO
OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO caution, read
this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no
place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my
weekend mistake. my flyboy/girl friends send them to me
periodically to remind me of bushes’ war. watch your hard drives,
ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this
tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is
germain because war affects everyone /everything alive. foreign
policy in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs
in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of
our senses. it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate
conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which
slip all too quickly imho. vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it
to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret
on the planet. peace today so we can have it tomorrow, koko
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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Police Chief Sees Drug Toll With Father’s Eyes
Date: August 25, 2005 at 11:36:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:52 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

Police Chief Sees Drug Toll With Father’s Eyes

By JAMES DAO and GARY GATELY
Published: August 24, 2005
BALTIMORE, Aug. 17 – Nicole Sesker sleeps in vacant buildings. She sells her body to buy heroin, living from trick to trick and fix to fix while dodging police officers who chase her from the street corners she haunts in plastic heels.
“I’m a survivor,” said Ms. Sesker, a petite 36-year-old, in the rough-edged neighborhood of discount liquor stores and boarded-up row houses that she calls home. “I’m out here surviving.”

Some one should treat her. She seems accessible enough. Anyone on this list live in Baltimore?

Dana/cnw

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 25, 2005 at 5:30:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sheering combs=”s punk
kiwi’s fought like  mean muggers at galipolii for yer military historians
and hear they got good wine
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)
[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html
Luff luff
Kirk (wishing she had a bungee rope when she fell down a lift shaft (that’s elevator to you strange Americans…) in 1981.)
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Ron and photos
Date: August 25, 2005 at 5:12:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thankee
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Ron and photos

Well Ron, just wanted to say, you are more than welcome to send any
interesting photos to my personal email.
Like I’ve said, I guess I just don’t understand the space/modem issue so I
guess it’s best not to send any attachments, no matter how small.
Just stick with your rants, then if they winj, they can find the door.
Luff lite n lafta to all
Kirk :o)

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 25, 2005 at 5:09:29 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no, he chimed in, just curiawz the klown chimed @ 4 am;
—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO

Anyone seen the Little Britain comedy series?

Marvin the Paranoid Android seems to have evolved into the Little Britain character, Anne, the mental patient. “Eh-Eh-Eh”.
That show is probably not on in the US though.

Tolerance does not work without respect.

But I suppose the show must go on.

Boris

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 25, 2005 at 5:01:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it’ll have to be much larger than that. we got 2 many klonz as it tiz ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

Oh for feks sake it was ONE LARGE EMAIL~!!!!!!!
I’m getting annoyed now….
I think he’s been told enuff don’t you?
Those last photos were tiny….. no bigger than stuff other people have sent WITHOUT getting so much dung thrown at them for doing it.
Geez.
I’ve been told by more than one person that I post too much (but majority of them didn’t have the guts to winj to me about it… I guess you know WHO YOU ARE!! Haaaaa :oP~~~@).. hey I made the top 3, and can only hope I was sitting in number ONE positi corrrdo,romon there for a while.
And Ron has cheered up…. Do you not remember what he was like in the past???
Bloody hell  just how damn perfect are some of you out there?
Love n hugs n kisses from one who will never be perfect.
And fekking happy about it too.
Yo  Ron still waiting for the 10  megabyte photo of you in the clown suit!!!
Heh
Kirkxxxxxxxxxx

From: Lorenzo [mailto:lorenzo-aguila@excite.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for others who are not 
you, not because of content of what you say, nobody ask you to change your 
thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer up once in while but ask you to stop sending
huge photo messages. Why do you feel need to become more annoying in way that is obviously on purpose?


Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it results on re-doubled effort 
to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I don’t understand computers!’ and then keep 
doing it. 

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I turn off web graphics in
browser I have email partition set for list that keep filling up with junk.


Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked, I too am asking,
please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.


Cheers
Lorenzo


— On Tue 08/23, Ron Davis < rwd3@cox.net > wrote: From: Ron Davis [mailto: rwd3@cox.net] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO caution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no 
place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my 
weekend mistake. my flyboy/girl friends send them to me 
periodically to remind me of bushes’ war. watch your hard drives, 
ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this 
tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is 
germain because war affects everyone /everything alive. foreign 
policy in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs 
in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of 
our senses. it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate 
conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which 
slip all too quickly imho. vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it 
to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret 
on the planet. peace today so we can have it tomorrow, koko

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] medical marijuana production vs DEA
Date: August 25, 2005 at 2:27:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A document register has been created at http://www.maps.org/mmj/legal/craker-dea/index.html and transcripts will be posted there as they become available. Transcripts for Aug. 22 and 23 are now available.

This is the document register for the MAPS/Craker/DEA legal action seeking approval of the proposed University of Massachusetts at Amherst pilot medical marijuana production facility.

From: “booker w” <swbooker@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Check THIS out…
Date: August 25, 2005 at 2:11:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink-
Thanks a lot for this reference.  I often think I fit this bill to a tee…  I wish someone in the states WOULD do a clinical study and let folks use their opiate of choice with a mind to finding a dose that helps one stay feeling good.  I would be curious if most folks would really end up nodding out all day. I guess that’s what the methadone program is supposed to do, altho that drug sounds like hell to me.  I find poppy tea works like an antidepressant for me and even taking a shorter-acting opiate like vicodin always makes me feel like “something’s missing.”  There was a very interesting book called Poppies, that I came across years ago and he talked about how so many vietnam vets who were smoking opium just came home and left it alone.  It all makes me wonder about brain chemistry…
That all said, when I relapsed for the umpteenth time I decided that I would just flat accept it as long as I don’t escalate the dose.  Well, I’ve been very successful at maintaining the dose over the last 2 years, but I have still dreamt repeatedly that I need to reach for being clean.  It baffles me because I have absolutely NO desire to stop.  It’s hard enough to quit when you really do wish to lay it down.  I have to say, tho, that this is the first time in my life that I am not struggling to control the dose, and I credit that to ibogaine somehow.
I also would like to question both Matt and Preston (and anyone else who’s interested) – If you had unlimited supply, do you feel that you WOULD find a dose that would keep you comfortable, or does it always turn into more, more, more? Who was that english psychiatrist that did a lot of work with schizophrenics?  He thought that if you gave people asylum to go crazy they would eventually find their way out.  I wonder if addicts checked into a place and just did as much dope as they damn well pleased, if we’d finally want off and then it would work for real.  That seems like the most enlightened approach to me.  At least worth an experiment.  If science was really objective, this study would’ve been done by now.
I also feel that this is the first time in my life that I feel I can obtain what I need without having to do anything “icky” and that in itself seems to affect my ability to control the dose myself as well.  Not having to look to anyone else is a huge blessing to me and I seem to get high on very little.  Of course my life is going very, very well right now.  Hard to say what I will do when the wheel turns…
Thanks and best to all,  Sandy
From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] Check THIS out…
Date:  Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:55:19 -0400
>http://www.opioids.com/index.html
>love tink
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Police Chief Sees Drug Toll With Father’s Eyes
Date: August 25, 2005 at 12:52:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Police Chief Sees Drug Toll With Father’s Eyes

By JAMES DAO and GARY GATELY
Published: August 24, 2005
BALTIMORE, Aug. 17 – Nicole Sesker sleeps in vacant buildings. She sells her body to buy heroin, living from trick to trick and fix to fix while dodging police officers who chase her from the street corners she haunts in plastic heels.
“I’m a survivor,” said Ms. Sesker, a petite 36-year-old, in the rough-edged neighborhood of discount liquor stores and boarded-up row houses that she calls home. “I’m out here surviving.”
In Baltimore, where the drug trade has brought one of the highest murder rates in the country, her story might not seem remarkable except for one detail: the stepfather who raised her from age 3 is the city’s newest police commissioner, Leonard D. Hamm.
For nearly two decades Mr. Hamm has struggled with his stepdaughter’s addiction, having discovered by reading her diary that the one-time star athlete snorted cocaine at age 17. He helped her find work, housing and rehabilitation only to see her lapse. Now he has reached a painful conclusion: she will find the strength to change only after she sinks lower.
“When she gets sick and tired of being sick and tired, I’ll be there for her,” Mr. Hamm said. “She’s not there yet.”
In his first interview about his stepdaughter, Mr. Hamm, 56, said he decided to speak to dramatize the depth of the drug problem in Baltimore and to underscore the need for new strategies.
As the new commissioner of one of the nation’s largest police departments, Mr. Hamm is in the position of shaping his city’s drug enforcement policies and his approach is clearly being colored by his painful experiences with his stepdaughter.
snip-
Free NYTimes registration required to access the entire article, but it’s easy and painless to register there, or was so for me anyway.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Rapid Detox deemed unsafe by medical establishment
Date: August 24, 2005 at 7:52:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s a DuPont drug. Trexan. If UROD is banned, it’ll still be in buprenex. Or Rivea for alcoholics.

They keep trying to force this stuff on addicts, even though people hate it.

The narc faction likes it because it’s “punishment therapy.” Because it does what ibogaine doesn’t– actually takes away yr freedom to use. As long as you’re compliant, or have an implant.

BTW, did I mention that it makes you go bald and impotent?

Whereas nor-ibogaine makes you horny, and gives you the “ibogaine glow?”

So as long as the Christian right is running the country, ibogaine will continue to be illegal, and they’ll keep trying to force this crap down our throats.

Did anyone see the article in this morning’s NY TIMES about the daughter of the new police commish in Baltimore who’s turning tricks at 36 and wants to quit dope–but can’t? The funny thing is that Peter Beilenson (mentioned in the story) KNOWS about ibogaine. I briefed him myself when he was Baltimore’s Health Commish. But he never told anyone about it because he’s with the Nadelman camp– doesn’t want to distract or confuse the public with extraneous facts whilst they’re busy getting trials of heroin maintenance vs. methadone going in places like Vancouver and Switzerland.

Some one should try to get Patrick to pressure Ethan to allow more ibogaine content at the Drug Policy Alliance Conference in November. We were so good in New Orleans!

Dana/cnw

On Aug 24, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Ms Iboga wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050824/ap_on_he_me/detox_study

Wow, what took these bozos so long?  We lowly junkies had this figured about several years ago….

J.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Andrea’s letter to the TIMES
Date: August 24, 2005 at 7:10:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: andria3a@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: US NY: For Addicts, Killer Dope Must Be Good Dope

Hey,

Just to let y’all know that I sent the following letter to the NYTimes..

Love and solidarity,

Andria E-Mordaunt
www.usersvoice.org.uk

*****************************************************

Dear Madam/Sir,

I would like to thank the New York Times for writing about the death of those young men and women who have lost their lives due to ‘cut’ poisoned illegal drugs. Though these events have been ocurring for decades – if you buy drugs in the globally prohibitive drug market, it possible that you will lose your life because you do not know a) how strong the drug is OR what it’s cut with – I think it is true to say that the acknowledgement of these deaths IS fairly new, and I for one, am very grateful for these reports..I am an ex-Injector/addict and AIDS widow from London/UK, who began losing friends in the late ’70s. In those days, deaths to poisoned drugs were rarely reported: the attitude was and has often been; you made your bed, now you gotta lie in it.  In other words, if you choose criminality, you must face the punishing consequences.

It is comparatively recent that we are starting – across different parts of the world – to consider that in fact these people often live a longer and better quality life IF they are prescribed the drugs of their addiction legally, including heroin, rather than being forced to waste their money paying for ‘dope’ that can easily kill (or maim them.) Of course, it is great if people can/do come off drugs altogether but long and recorded histories of our lives show clearly, a) that it is not the outcome for MOST, and b) this is not so easy.

I have spent decades working on improving blood borne disease prevention services and drug treatment and it is articles like Alan Feuer’s that give us hope that we are in fact making some kind of a difference.

At least these lost lives are now not fogotten. They mostly were..

Thanks again.

Sincerely

Andria Efthimiou-Mordaunt MSc
011 44 916 5097
011 44 7841 433 187
C/O Leighton Grove
London, NW5 2RA

Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org> wrote:

Newshawk: Richard Lake
Pubdate: Thu, 18 Aug 2005
Source: New York Times (NY)
Copyright: 2005 The New York Times Company
Contact: letters@nytimes.com
Website: http://www.nytimes.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/298
Author: Alan Feuer
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/coke.htm (Cocaine)
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/heroin.htm (Heroin)

FOR ADDICTS, KILLER DOPE MUST BE GOOD DOPE

The addict, maybe more than anybody else, understands the hard nature
of certain truths. A habit is a habit, after all, and sometimes only
dope can scratch the itch.

“Your desperate seeker that’s sick and needs a fix don’t care,” said
a man called Bane, who says he has been on and off heroin for almost
20 years. “They want the high, and in an act of desperation, they’ll
disregard things.” Even, he said, if they see someone overdosing.

Bane is 34 and, like many addicts on the street, goes by a name of
his own choosing. He was sitting yesterday in Tompkins Square Park
with friends and strangers alike – men like Skywalker, Dante and
L.E.S. Jewels – talking of the recent round of overdoses in the
neighborhood and passing back and forth a newspaper with the
headline, “Bad Smack.”

The police and health officials are trying to determine whether a
lethal batch of opiates or cocaine caused the deaths of at least six
people who apparently overdosed on heroin or a combination of heroin
and cocaine in Lower Manhattan in the last week. They include a
homeless man who was discovered in a storage center in SoHo and
another man found dead on the floor of a portable toilet near Pier 54
on the West Side.

But there were also two young college girls who died – Mellie Nicole
Carballo and Maria Pesantez, both 18 – and it is they and they alone,
the addicts say, who have brought the attention of the wider world.

The addicts, after all, have been through this before. In 1991, they
say, it was the Tango and Cash brand, a synthetic drug called
fentanyl, which, being sold as heroin, killed 17. Three years later,
it was China Cat, a blend of heroin so pure it killed a baker’s dozen
in less than a week.

The recent rash of deaths has inspired caution in the park, but also
bravado. The thinking is that killer dope is strong dope, something
to test yourself against; if the stuff is deadly, it must be good.

“I died four times in one day, and I’m still here,” said L.E.S.
Jewels, a skinny 35-year-old from nowhere in particular. Under his
left eye there are four blue tattooed dots. They stood, he said, for
the four times he overdosed last week.

“People figure if they can handle it, it means the dope is good. It
means they have more tolerance for the stuff.”

Jewels may soon be heading out of town – maybe out to Eugene, Ore.,
he said, to stay with friends. He mostly gets around by freight
train. His meals are often from soup kitchens and are almost always free.

It is his belief that a tainted batch of heroin came to town sometime
last week. It may have been cut or sprayed with something poisonous,
he said, or exposed to some sort of toxin in a warehouse or a truck.

The brand, or stamp, that knocked him out four times was from a blue
bag, he said, though another in a clear bag also knocked him out.

If you are wondering, by the way, what it feels like to overdose four
times in a 10-hour period, Jewel is not much help. He doesn’t
remember a thing about how it felt.

“You just don’t know it’s coming,” he said of an overdose. “It hits
you and the next thing you know, you’re surrounded by E.M.T.’s.”

The rumors are moving through the park: don’t buy from so-and-so; the
blue bags are bad; the clear bags are bad. Some say the brown powder
is the deadly stuff. Some say the gray.

“There’s a lot of concern with people asking what stamps people are
dying from and where they’re copping,” said a sinewy man named
Travis, who is 30. “I was told that one of the bad stamps was XXX –
like the Vin Diesel movie.”

The uncertainty has led to addict speculation – anything to minimize the risks.

“There’s ways to be smart about taking chances,” said a dreadlocked
girl named Shannon, 24. First of all, she said, don’t buy from
strangers. And take a half-dose at first, not a whole. “You can
always do more, but you can’t do less.”

Skywalker, in his dingy woolen cap, suggested having someone else try
the batch first. It was noted that the kings of old once did that
sort of thing. He smiled to himself and laughed.

Eddie’s way has been to just stay drunk the last few days – after
all, no heroin, no worry. Eddie is young but will not say how young.
He’s been around, though. He had “a 10-year San Francisco habit,” he said.

Then the man from the outreach center came by. His name was Van Asher
and he had a pretty dog.

He started telling people not to drink on heroin, since alcohol and
dope were both depressants that slowed the heart. “If you’re drinking
and doing opiates,” he said, “do the opiates first because, with
them, there’s no quality control.”

It has upset Mr. Asher that “all the sudden, everybody’s talking
about killer dope, when I know several people who’ve died at roughly
the same time who apparently were not newsworthy because of their
compromised life situations.”

He mentioned a man named Face, who, he said, was brain dead from an
overdose last week. Then he mentioned Christopher Korkowski, 24, a
hairdresser found dead last Wednesday in his apartment on Avenue B.

Mr. Korkowski was never mentioned by the papers, Mr. Asher said,
until “two attractive college students” died. “Then he became a footnote.”

Of course, it all makes sense to Raumy, a 20-year-old man who is
something of the resident philosopher. Raumy takes no drugs, he said
– in fact, he said, he does not even drink. His job, according to
him, is to act as the designated baby sitter for all of his addict friends.

“A junkie’s looked down upon as a waste of skin and a Social Security
number,” Raumy said, waxing philosophical again.

“The funny thing is, there’s no such thing as a bad batch. It’s all
bad. Eventually, you’re still going to die.”

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Return of the DB error message
Date: August 24, 2005 at 6:41:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Spoke way too soon.  There was just a delay in getting the messages. I am currently printing out the message with a letter and posting it to these people.  Hoping it’s the right place!
Wish me luck, or somefink……
Kirk
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 24, 2005 at 6:30:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I knew you knew wot a lift shaft woz, I was juss ejacating them dumb Yankees. Hehheh (hides behind chair awaiting the backlash)
Soooooo yer a winjin’ pom aye?  We got a few of them in my ole village, Seacliff, they’re trying to take over I think.  One couple are dj’s and have some real awesome parties, with all the fancy gears and projector with screen etc.  Wasted people and he’s a Behavioural Therapist!!! Lmao!!!!  Cool guy, he’s from Liverpool. So therefore we only understand a quarter of what he says (innit..) heh.
“No sex please, we’re British!”
“We are not amused”
Kirk :o)
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 10:01 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

I’m British and lift shaft is within my vocabulary as a Brit  – We the British made them go down as well as up though , people got tired of being stuck on the 16th floor , Ha !
sjonny
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:35:13 +1200
watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)
[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html
Luff luff
Kirk (wishing she had a bungee rope when she fell down a lift shaft (that’s elevator to you strange Americans…) in 1981.)
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 24, 2005 at 6:01:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m British and lift shaft is within my vocabulary as a Brit  – We the British made them go down as well as up though , people got tired of being stuck on the 16th floor , Ha !
sjonny
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:35:13 +1200

watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)
[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html
Luff luff
Kirk (wishing she had a bungee rope when she fell down a lift shaft (that’s elevator to you strange Americans…) in 1981.)
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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:56:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

s.jonny,
its great to hear that your coming to peace with yourself and healing. Let go of your expectations and embrace the moments a new beginning.

Peace yall
orangesun

From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:36:44 +0100

Many, many thanks to Howard also – you made all this possible. I thought about that as I was taking off after the first dose.

I was using 60mg methadone daily interspersed with around 1, 1+1/2gm. heroin (smoked) twice weekly (more or less, though I cut back the amount of heroin used to about a 1/2 gm. in the two weeks  leading up to the treatment date). I was also drinking quite heavily, not every day but more oft

en than not and this was as big a problem as the opiates if not far worse in terms of my health and state of mind. Right now I have no desire to drink at all.

I took a final 40mg of methadone 24 hrs. before taking Ibogaine.

Sjonny.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:09:39 EDT

In a message dated 8/18/05 7:41:14 AM, sjonnygee@msn.com writes:

On Saturday 13th August 11.30.am I took the first of four 300 mg. caps. Ibogaine HCL and took the remaining three in two hour intervals to make up 1200mg .

Skipping through a few wild days later, I’m still rushing and soaring through waves of shivering euphoria and I’m clean for the first time in ten years. Ibogaine is no picnic and sure enough nobody would take it for kicks but I feel privileged to have had the chance to do this……… !

Many, many thanks to Ed,

Sjonny.

Thumbs Up!  Keep us informed.  The more information the better.  Can you give us some background on what you were using preibogaine>

Thanks

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Check THIS out…
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:55:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.opioids.com/index.html
love tink

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] O.D’s in the East Village related to Afghani de-regulation
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:52:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] O.D’s in the East Village related to Afghani de-regulation
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:49:24 -0400

Anybody know whats up with the with all the overdose deaths in the E. Village? I read an article in the Times that the smack is getting alot stronger. I think that since the U.S began occupations and the post 9-11 operations the quantity and quality of the herion has sky rocketed. Even in Syracuse (where i live)  my friends tell me that the shit is better now that it has been in the other Reagan drug conspiracy. I don’t know I i can really say its better (myself) becuase people are used to the same ol low quality shit  in Syr that im afraid what is happening in the city is gonna spread out. Its a lose lose situation if you ask me. Like they say :”You can always do more, but never less” Thats whats up yall, be aware and “GO_IBO” if ya  can

Arlo Zims

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:51:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YOU ROCK THE FUCK OUT, RON!!!
Love ya
tink

On 8/24/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

Ron , I’m not sure if you understood my comments (rant)  – some people were
attacking you and I thought they were out of order , the way they were going
about it seemed to be overkill.

I don’t thnk you were damaging anyone and they should get over this petty
frigging nonsense    ‘ carry on Ron’  –  Good Luck Ron !!!!!!!!
……………. !

sjonny

________________________________
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:51:26 -0500

i TAKE IT BACK, WOULD NEVER FUCK OVER A DUDE’S PRIMARY
BIZ SOURCE OR RECREATION SOURCE  MILLION APOLOGIES, DON’T HAVE BREAD TO BUY
YOU NEW H-DRIVE, SOFT WARE— Original Message —–

From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I dont
have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if it’s
something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over yourself
………….. fuck !!!!!!!!

sjonny.

________________________________

From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
email bounce out.

If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
which people tell their spam filters to let through.

Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
that.

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my
native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP
IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
PERSON MAKE.
—– Original Message —–

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] US UT: Rave bust, con’t
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:49:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it’s the end of the world

On 8/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Janet Dollacker” <jantu@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NEWSROOM-L] US UT: Rave bust, con’t

Hi Jack, The Salt Lake Tribune is a surprisingly good little paper.  It
has been an independent family owned paper since its inception.
Periodically it infuriates Mormons and the Deseret News,the  church owned
evening paper, trys to buy them out against their will. I think the last
such war was a year or two ago. I don’t know who won but it sounds like
the same people still have editorial control. In terms of objectivity it
beats the San Francisco Chronicle almost always,
which might come as a shock to them!

Another interesting thing happened in SLC, Utah, probably the most
Republican state in the Union. When Bush fled Cindy Sheehans group for
Salt Lake City expecting pure adulation, the mayor of SLC, Mayor Anderson
urged the populace to take to the streets in protest and in support of
Cindy and the mothers of our dead and wounded troops.  They took out a
permit for 1000 people within sight and hearing distance of Bush and over
2000 came. He promptly fled Utah for Idaho and was followed there as well.

One sad note is that Amy Goodman, probably the best media reporter in
America, from Democracy Now!  ( www.democracynow.com ) mailed a wonderful,
unassailable tape from Cindy to Channel 4 Utah to coincide with the twigs
visit, and they refused to air it saying it would not be courteous to the
president.  I saw the tape and there was nothing discourteous,
disrespectful or objectionable in any way whatsoever to anyone.  But it
was a poignant plea for peace from a wounded mother…and I guess it was
just too effective.  ( They certainly didn’t mind offending President
Clinton 24/7 did they?)  If you would like to complain at them for
refusing to air genuine news because they prefered to pander to the
current administration, here is the address for KTVX Utah:
Comments@abc4.tv.  News media need to be reminded that their job in a
democracy is not to be a propaganda arm for the government and that it is
a betrayal of trust to the American people not to report the news without
their
own
spinning wheel.  Maybe since they refused to air a legitimate piece of
news from an alternative source they would invite Amy Goodman to speak
about her experience in Camp Casey.  If you agree with me, please email
them now while you’re thinking about it, letters en masse have a powerful
effect.

Best wishes, Janet

“Jack R. Lebowitz” <jack@NETSPACE.ORG> wrote:
Update on the story on Pete Guither’s excellent “Drug War Rant” blog
(top story) at http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/ … today’s press is a
tad more balanced, probably because of the outcry in the blogosphere
and working the reporter involved:

“Utah media starts reporting on Rave attack

After only reporting the press release put out by the Sheriff
yesterday (and getting some heat for it), Utah papers are starting
to explore the other side:

In the Salt Lake Tribune:

Partygoers at a rave in Spanish Fork Canyon that was busted by
police Saturday night say officers used brutal and excessive force
to clear the crowd.

As many as 90 police officers from several agencies, including SWAT
members and major crimes investigators, stormed the DJ-driven dance
party around 11:30 p.m. dressed in full SWAT gear and holding
automatic weapons.

A helicopter announced the police presence as it crested a nearby
hill and began shining a spotlight on the outdoor dance area, said
19-year-old Scott Benton of Logan.

“The cops just came in wearing full Army [camouflage]. It was
basically brute force,” Benton said. “I had a gun put in my face and
was told to get out of there.”

Standing in a crowd of people near the main stage, Alisha Matagi
says she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when she was
thrown to the ground, punched, kicked and handcuffed by police.” .

J

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:35:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)
[Capt Kirk] Here ya go, I can’t be bothered researching it… YOU go look LOL
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/dickie.html
Luff luff
Kirk (wishing she had a bungee rope when she fell down a lift shaft (that’s elevator to you strange Americans…) in 1981.)
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 24, 2005 at 4:40:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Splitting the Atom. Oh my we are so so very proud of the results of that one!!!!
Kirk :o)
From: Sjonnygee . [mailto:sjonnygee@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 4:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130

Very funny show~ have always loved Brit humour.. welllll guess
they had to be good at something (heehee)
Luff
Kirk
watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)

From:  “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date:  Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:45:37 +1200
>LOVE IT!!  Very funny show~ have always loved Brit humour.. welllll guess
>they had to be good at something (heehee)
>Luff
>Kirk
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Boris Leshinsky [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 1:02 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
>TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
>
>
>
>Anyone seen the Little Britain comedy series?
>
>Marvin the Paranoid Android seems to have evolved into the Little Britain
>character, Anne, the mental patient. “Eh-Eh-Eh”.
>That show is probably not on in the US though.
>
>Tolerance does not work without respect.
>
>But I suppose the show must go on.
>
>Boris
>
>
>
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 3:35:52 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PRESTON,
U R 1 OF A KIND AND I DON’T THINK YOU NEED A PASS TO GET DOPE SICK AND SUFFER. wanna i should take out a long term term life: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

likewise tink.
Thanks.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

I love you, Preston!!
tink

On 8/23/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I think, “gee,
must be nice way to go.”
But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel it, well,
that’s seriously debatable.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

> I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for > a
> few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge amounts of
cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring (cash inspired)
enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps keep me sane ………. !
sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient
american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I
think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still
a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me
out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still.
The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and
as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a
minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a
few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything,
nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V
says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and
sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights
ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone
street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer
with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go
through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the
same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you
continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop LAST NIGHT’S DATE SCREAMED TIL NEIGHBORS AWOKE AT 4 AM
Date: August 24, 2005 at 3:24:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WELL GEE, I GUESS I HATE YOU AS WELL, BUT I’M IN FLA AND WE WEAR SHIRTS WITH ANIMAL PRINTZ. IF YOU KNEW THAT YOU C/N HATE ME OR COULD YOU?   WOULDN’T KNOW A GRAPHICS CARD IF IT BIT ME ON ME REAR. YOUR KOOL W/ ME P, REGARDLESS OD HOW HU oooooooo fast it plays Doom 3 at full res.”<

I hate you too. The company sent me the PC version first to review when it first hit stands, as well as the first add-on, and I couldn’t get either one to play at ALL.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

,”my graphics card is sooooooooooo fast it plays Doom 3 at full res.”

[Capt Kirk] I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (puter lags everytime there’s a battle
grrrr argghhh muttermutter lol)

On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉

.:vector:.
[Capt Kirk] Well aren’t you a lucky bastard because even using Yahoo email
account I still am getting the dreaded email! I found a website for Concept
and forward it everytime I get it to every email I found on that website
(accounts, sales, help, etc etc) but still no human bein to be found. Gonna
send in some Klingons very shortly.
But am very glad if it has stopped bouncing to the list.
Wait til I find a phone number, somebody at concept is gonna get a ear
slapping.
Luff heaps
Kirk

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 24, 2005 at 3:15:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron , I’m not sure if you understood my comments (rant)  – some people were attacking you and I thought they were out of order , the way they were going about it seemed to be overkill.
I don’t thnk you were damaging anyone and they should get over this petty frigging nonsense    ‘ carry on Ron’  –  Good Luck Ron !!!!!!!!     ……………. !
sjonny

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:51:26 -0500

i TAKE IT BACK, WOULD NEVER FUCK OVER A DUDE’S PRIMARY
BIZ SOURCE OR RECREATION SOURCE  MILLION APOLOGIES, DON’T HAVE BREAD TO BUY YOU NEW H-DRIVE, SOFT WARE— Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!
sjonny.

From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
>You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
>or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
>with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
>email bounce out.
>
>If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
>your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
>Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
>which people tell their spam filters to let through.
>
>Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
>on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
>that.
>
>.:vector:.
>
>— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my
> > native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
> > qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
> > WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP
> > IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
> > FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
> > THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
> > PERSON MAKE.
> >   —– Original Message —–
>
>
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 24, 2005 at 2:51:26 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i TAKE IT BACK, WOULD NEVER FUCK OVER A DUDE’S PRIMARY
BIZ SOURCE OR RECREATION SOURCE  MILLION APOLOGIES, DON’T HAVE BREAD TO BUY YOU NEW H-DRIVE, SOFT WARE— Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!
sjonny.

From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
>You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
>or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
>with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
>email bounce out.
>
>If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
>your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
>Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
>which people tell their spam filters to let through.
>
>Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
>on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
>that.
>
>.:vector:.
>
>— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my
> > native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
> > qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
> > WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP
> > IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
> > FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
> > THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
> > PERSON MAKE.
> >   —– Original Message —–
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>http://mail.yahoo.com
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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] link to pill-poppers’ animated rant
Date: August 24, 2005 at 2:49:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As the friend who sent this toon to me commented, “Makes me feel good
about how few drugs I take.”  http://www.grab.com/fun/toons/f/50481/
love from ny, rachel

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another ibo session )
Date: August 24, 2005 at 2:10:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey bro, you are wanted, needed and loved from out here.  i’d say a good spiritual stroll for my lazy, make me well me ok set,  Poor planning?  You bet. i’m better at scamming docs and doing stores but those skills fail a nonplayer if not used regularly. atrophy, jezuz, what next? so much for that.  can’t juggle it all, gotta let go of it some of   some
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another
love you
tink

On 8/23/05, shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Matt, Ive done it all at once, over three hours & a very slow taper, if
youre wanting to experience the real flood & be safe ,you can still do your
dose divided into 3 capsules ,youll still have the flood, but what exactly
are your safety concerns?best luck -shell

Matthew Shriver <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules. It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing. The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick. At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience. I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did. Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens. I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence. It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule. I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using. In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch. So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another ibo session from koko the begigniiiign
Date: August 24, 2005 at 2:06:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you’re on the spiritual plane , wanted needed and loved…all systems go..BLAST OFF , STAY CLOSE PILGRIMN               —– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

BE CAREFUL!! Email me-
love you
tink

On 8/23/05, shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Matt, Ive done it all at once, over three hours & a very slow taper, if
youre wanting to experience the real flood & be safe ,you can still do your
dose divided into 3 capsules ,youll still have the flood, but what exactly
are your safety concerns?best luck -shell

Matthew Shriver <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules. It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing. The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick. At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience. I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did. Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens. I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence. It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule. I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using. In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch. So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] matt, from ron
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:42:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I told you guys i d/n know shit from shinola…. i think all of this  will right itself from the passage of time and once we’re done sniping and all that other jazz we can feed it to smarter dudes    (my gf  wants no part of this crap. can’t say i blame her) who can synthesize it and put it all in its proper spot in the data base.  koko, learning as i go, making some of it up(whoops)… p.s. back in the day, circa 65-6, slightly fudging on the research data sos i could  on those very rare occasions foray our our down time into wsr

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: JAMA article 23 August 1965. Dole/Nyswander. Sydney pain conference.
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:15:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: JAMA article 23 August 1965. Dole/Nyswander. Sydney pain conference.

Dear Colleagues,

Apologies for repetition, but I think it is fair to shout loud and long about this pivotal study describing the first 24 patients on formal methadone treatment (with 22 ‘retentions’).  The paper concentrates on reducing or eliminating illicit drug use and getting people back to work, studies and their families.  There is no focus on ‘detoxification’ or being ‘drug free’ . but an average methadone dose of 100mg daily (range 15-180mg), a warning about too rapid inductions and practical measures against constipation, the only common side effect of treatment.

I spoke to Dr Vincent P. Dole this morning on the telephone and he sends his best greetings and wishes to us in Sydney where we are hosting a large international meeting on pain management with over 5000 delegates attending. Dr Dole is recovering from a stroke but is remarkably acute, speaking eloquently about the difficulties dependency patients face in managing painful disorders.

In a talk last evening by Dr Doug Gourlay of Toronto, we were presented with a ‘universal’ and practical approach to the pain and dependency patient utilising the modalities of both specialties to diagnose and manage their pain and addiction problems (summary to follow).  We were honoured to be joined by two early members of Dole’s Rockefeller team, Dr Joyce Lowinson and Dr Herman Joseph who are both ‘legendary’ for their publications, texts, talks and experience in the addiction field.

We owe a great deal to all these pioneers (copy of 1965 paper on request). But as Dole once said in a keynote address, they were “but base-stations in the assault on the mountain’s summit” which others must face in the future. With modern heroin trials, needle services, buprenorphine and ‘NA’, how right he was, all those years ago!

Best wishes to all in this challenging but rewarding field.

Andrew Byrne ..

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Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:05:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks Matthew

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —–
From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

Preston stay strong man!
The fact you are continuing doing boosters says alot about u!
Listen bro it seems u have a harder battle to conquer since u are addicted to opiates because of pain and hedonistic needs but u seem like a tough cookie man…….u ll get through this shit
the depresion …….well………i know the best the cure for it and in all honestly i shouldnt be one giving sugestions on how to conquer it but bro from what u write ur girl seems like a soul mate so maybe build on that…..be delighted that u have somebody that loves u whnever u sick depresed puking ur guts out etc etc
im sending u my reserved good vibes!!!!!!
love u bro
matt

 

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:03:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

likewise tink.
Thanks.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

I love you, Preston!!
tink

On 8/23/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I think, “gee,
must be nice way to go.”
But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel it, well,
that’s seriously debatable.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

> I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a
> few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge amounts of
cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring (cash inspired)
enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps keep me sane ………. !
sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient
american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I
think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still
a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me
out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still.
The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and
as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a
minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a
few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything,
nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V
says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and
sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights
ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone
street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer
with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go
through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the
same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you
continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] US UT: Rave bust, con’t
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:49:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Janet Dollacker” <jantu@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NEWSROOM-L] US UT: Rave bust, con’t

Hi Jack, The Salt Lake Tribune is a surprisingly good little paper.  It has been an independent family owned paper since its inception. Periodically it infuriates Mormons and the Deseret News,the  church owned evening paper, trys to buy them out against their will. I think the last such war was a year or two ago. I don’t know who won but it sounds like the same people still have editorial control. In terms of objectivity it beats the San Francisco Chronicle almost always,
which might come as a shock to them!

Another interesting thing happened in SLC, Utah, probably the most Republican state in the Union. When Bush fled Cindy Sheehans group for Salt Lake City expecting pure adulation, the mayor of SLC, Mayor Anderson urged the populace to take to the streets in protest and in support of Cindy and the mothers of our dead and wounded troops.  They took out a permit for 1000 people within sight and hearing distance of Bush and over 2000 came. He promptly fled Utah for Idaho and was followed there as well.

One sad note is that Amy Goodman, probably the best media reporter in America, from Democracy Now!  ( www.democracynow.com ) mailed a wonderful, unassailable tape from Cindy to Channel 4 Utah to coincide with the twigs visit, and they refused to air it saying it would not be courteous to the president.  I saw the tape and there was nothing discourteous, disrespectful or objectionable in any way whatsoever to anyone.  But it was a poignant plea for peace from a wounded mother…and I guess it was just too effective.  ( They certainly didn’t mind offending President Clinton 24/7 did they?)  If you would like to complain at them for refusing to air genuine news because they prefered to pander to the current administration, here is the address for KTVX Utah: Comments@abc4.tv.  News media need to be reminded that their job in a democracy is not to be a propaganda arm for the government and that it is a betrayal of trust to the American people not to report the news without their
own
spinning wheel.  Maybe since they refused to air a legitimate piece of news from an alternative source they would invite Amy Goodman to speak about her experience in Camp Casey.  If you agree with me, please email them now while you’re thinking about it, letters en masse have a powerful effect.

Best wishes, Janet

“Jack R. Lebowitz” <jack@NETSPACE.ORG> wrote:
Update on the story on Pete Guither’s excellent “Drug War Rant” blog
(top story) at http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/ … today’s press is a
tad more balanced, probably because of the outcry in the blogosphere
and working the reporter involved:

“Utah media starts reporting on Rave attack

After only reporting the press release put out by the Sheriff
yesterday (and getting some heat for it), Utah papers are starting
to explore the other side:

In the Salt Lake Tribune:

Partygoers at a rave in Spanish Fork Canyon that was busted by
police Saturday night say officers used brutal and excessive force
to clear the crowd.

As many as 90 police officers from several agencies, including SWAT
members and major crimes investigators, stormed the DJ-driven dance
party around 11:30 p.m. dressed in full SWAT gear and holding
automatic weapons.

A helicopter announced the police presence as it crested a nearby
hill and began shining a spotlight on the outdoor dance area, said
19-year-old Scott Benton of Logan.

“The cops just came in wearing full Army [camouflage]. It was
basically brute force,” Benton said. “I had a gun put in my face and
was told to get out of there.”

Standing in a crowd of people near the main stage, Alisha Matagi
says she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when she was
thrown to the ground, punched, kicked and handcuffed by police.” .

J

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kirk – Bird Strike on C-130
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:09:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Very funny show~ have always loved Brit humour.. welllll guess
they had to be good at something (heehee)
Luff
Kirk
watch it Kirk ……………. !   btw, what’s the Kiwi contribution to civilisation apart from bungee ropes and sheep shearing combs lol ?
                                                    sjonny (GB)

From:  “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date:  Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:45:37 +1200
>LOVE IT!!  Very funny show~ have always loved Brit humour.. welllll guess
>they had to be good at something (heehee)
>Luff
>Kirk
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Boris Leshinsky [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 1:02 p.m.
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
>TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
>
>
>
>Anyone seen the Little Britain comedy series?
>
>Marvin the Paranoid Android seems to have evolved into the Little Britain
>character, Anne, the mental patient. “Eh-Eh-Eh”.
>That show is probably not on in the US though.
>
>Tolerance does not work without respect.
>
>But I suppose the show must go on.
>
>Boris
>
>
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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Rapid Detox deemed unsafe by medical establishment
Date: August 24, 2005 at 9:50:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050824/ap_on_he_me/detox_study

Wow, what took these bozos so long?  We lowly junkies had this figured about several years ago….

J.

Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 8:24:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston stay strong man!
The fact you are continuing doing boosters says alot about u!
Listen bro it seems u have a harder battle to conquer since u are addicted to opiates because of pain and hedonistic needs but u seem like a tough cookie man…….u ll get through this shit
the depresion …….well………i know the best the cure for it and in all honestly i shouldnt be one giving sugestions on how to conquer it but bro from what u write ur girl seems like a soul mate so maybe build on that…..be delighted that u have somebody that loves u whnever u sick depresed puking ur guts out etc etc
im sending u my reserved good vibes!!!!!!
love u bro
matt

 

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From: abeatty@mail2go.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] subuxone?
Date: August 24, 2005 at 6:33:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Someone close to me might have switched from heroin to suboxone and I am
wondering what the withdrawal is like. I know it has been discussed before. I
didn’t pay close attention as it wasn’t being used, and I didn’t like the sound
of it – another meth or bupe. Also, he is getting it off the street, if that’s
what happening, and I think a major advantage of this kind of a drug comes with
its legality, allowing it to be administered in a program that supervises
withdrawal.

Thank you for your help and all of you for being here and sharing so much. I
have learned more about the individuality and pain of addiction issues on this
site than anywhere else, as I have tried to research treatments.

All these comments about jamming computers is a little puzzling as I haven’t
found the pictures (or whatever is jamming). Sorta wish I had. But don’t send
them to me, never mind. Maybe they were sent before I rejoined the list.

My suggestion for past emotional pain (to whom it may concern)…what’s done is
done. For these fauxpas, one apology might be enough, or keep it to one word,
“Sorry” (period) if you are being pressed by an obnoxious person, who may have a
right to be annoyed.

Andy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:29:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YEHHHHH BABYYYYYYYYYYYYY
LOL
KIRK XXXX

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 9:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!

Hey Capt,

I see you like pussies too………
—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!
Date: August 24, 2005 at 5:02:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Capt,

I see you like pussies too………
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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 24, 2005 at 3:54:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

,”my graphics card is sooooooooooo fast it plays Doom 3 at full res.”<

I hate you too. The company sent me the PC version first to review when it first hit stands, as well as the first add-on, and I couldn’t get either one to play at ALL.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

,”my graphics card is sooooooooooo fast it plays Doom 3 at full res.”

[Capt Kirk] I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (puter lags everytime there’s a battle
grrrr argghhh muttermutter lol)

On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉

.:vector:.
[Capt Kirk] Well aren’t you a lucky bastard because even using Yahoo email
account I still am getting the dreaded email! I found a website for Concept
and forward it everytime I get it to every email I found on that website
(accounts, sales, help, etc etc) but still no human bein to be found. Gonna
send in some Klingons very shortly.
But am very glad if it has stopped bouncing to the list.
Wait til I find a phone number, somebody at concept is gonna get a ear
slapping.
Luff heaps
Kirk

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 24, 2005 at 3:53:14 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don’t have a problem with multi-meg attachments. I’m in college, I
have a Pentium 4 and DSL, his attachments take me 2 secodns to
download. <

Actually, same here on all counts except the “I’m in college” one.
So do what you want Ron, I can’t stop you. But it is a pretty freakin’ silly thing to get ones panties in knots over.
‘;-)))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

I don’t have a problem with multi-meg attachments. I’m in college, I
have a Pentium 4 and DSL, his attachments take me 2 secodns to
download. I have a porn and videogame optimized workstation 🙂 I
download DVD’s I steal on P2P sites, my hard disks are soooooooooooo
big my TiVo can record for months, my graphics card is sooooooooooo
fast it plays Doom 3 at full-res. I don’t care, I live in “the states”
I am I guess middle class, which makes me extremely rich by world
standards and file sizes or mail quotas do not effect me at all.

I’m ranting 🙂

I didn’t dis anybody, I wrote a message explaining that not everybody
is you and peeps getting upset are upset because you’re breaking their
email and wasting their time and money. Sending some photos is no big
deal once in a while. Ron sent a huge attachment, peeps asked him to
stop, he responded by sending more and more shit. He sent 3 jpegs which
could be compressed down to 100K, they’re small photos but he made them
2mb big, they’re 20 times as big as they need to be because he doesn’t
understand how to compress them or file sizes.

If the problem is ignornace, then hopefully everybody is more
knowledgable now. If the problem is being an asshole on purpose and
trying to crash people’s email, it’s not my list, but you do that on
any list and the admins will ask you to stop or throw you off. This
isn’t ideology, philosophy, the content of your messages, a drug list,
a ibogaine list, it’s continuing to disrupt people’s email even after
you’ve obviously upset alot of them who were upset enough to post about
it and usually don’t have anything to say on the list. Some of them
were even polite and tried to explain their problem with it 😉

On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

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Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I
dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if
it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over
yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!

sjonny.

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From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
email bounce out.

If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
which people tell their spam filters to let through.

Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
that.

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

> i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in
my
> native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
> qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
> WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A
GAP
> IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
> FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
> THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
> PERSON MAKE.
>   —– Original Message —–

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 24, 2005 at 2:03:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.mattfurey.com/carpal_tunnel_pain041405.html

This Matt Furey guy has a ” How to Eliminate Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Pain Within 30 Days” program, that is apparently made up of exercises from Chinese martial arts. Its about $100. Furey himself is a world champion wrestler. I generally have respect for what he has to say and have used exercises from his books when I was doing karate, with good results, but have not done the carpal tunnel ones.

I’d generally recommend his daily newsletter too, if you don’t mind getting an extra email a day. Although it often they contain a hard sell on some of his products, there is also lots of good common sense advise on various health and fitness issues, as well as “inspirational” type stuff, that I like to read to give myself a kick up the butt and get motivated to do whatever it is I am slack about doing, as far as reaching my personal goals is concerned. Examples of recent topics he has been talking about are aspartame and green tea.

Home

cheers
Boris

—- tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
Oww…
Thanks,
love
tink

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:27:31 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Grrrowl!

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:13:25 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:12:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you too, Sjohnny!

On 8/23/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

You are sane in your personal interpretation of life ;=]

________________________________

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:18:01 -0400

Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I
think, “gee, must be nice way to go.”
But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel
it, well, that’s seriously debatable.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere
for a few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge
amounts of cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring
(cash inspired) enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps
keep me sane ………. !

sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient
american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away
from me (I think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still),
and now I’m still a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to
the person who helped me out- he rocks and I consider him a real
friend, but I am really ill. Still. The ibogaine is wearing off
completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and as already
mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take
it a minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in
somewhere for a few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to
detox from everything, nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a
while to see what happens. So V says, “just do it here darn it,” but
it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers
and sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when
not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few
nights ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use
for someone street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s
computer with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something
unopened email to go through and am not up to it yet), my computer
apparently doesn’t have the same problems others’ do- so perhaps I
should apologize for suggesting you continue posting them, to you
and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:12:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you, Preston!!
tink

On 8/23/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I think, “gee,
must be nice way to go.”
But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel it, well,
that’s seriously debatable.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a
few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge amounts of
cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring (cash inspired)
enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps keep me sane ………. !
sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient
american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I
think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still
a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me
out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still.
The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and
as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a
minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a
few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything,
nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V
says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and
sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights
ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone
street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer
with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go
through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the
same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you
continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 24, 2005 at 1:10:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Ron for a serious giggle!!  it was needed badly at the time!
love
tink

On 8/23/05, Capt Kirk <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
anyone else ever send you a long email?  naw, probably not….I’m the first
i suppose.
[Capt Kirk]
HAHAHA hear hear RON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol
KIRK xx

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] testing out the image shack!
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:13:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:05:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Loud applause for Matthew.
Thanks for some very useful information for us all :o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 3:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO

You can share images through this website: http://www.imageshack.us/  I
believe you can host 10 images without registering but it’s free.  You
upload the images and they give you pre-made links you can copy and paste
into emails or forum boards or whatever.  The rub is that when someone
clicks the first link, they get the image and a pop-up ad, but only on the
first link.  Subsequent links clicked in close enough succession, like a few
minutes, don’t make more ads.

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:24 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO

Email accounts differ in a lot of ways, but points for thinking of
others, and points for having great pictures to share. There must
be some way to do it without email (Vector?) since this one also
filled my mailbox. Others, please xcuse me my limitations.

Floggings will continue until morale improves.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:30:47 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
Messagecaution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it
has no place on this forum other than to see if we all have
learned from my weekend mistake.  my flyboy/girl friends send them

to me  periodically  to remind me of bushes’ war.  watch your hard

drives, ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for
this tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a
human… it is germain because war affects everyone /everything
alive.  foreign policy  in the US must change if we are to survive

another 50-100 yrs in a world that is compatible to the stomach
and eyes and the rest of our senses.  it is sent for shock value,
wake up call and to generate conversation among those of us who
lived in the good old days which slip all too quickly imho.
vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it to this day and what i did

and they made it all the best kept secret on the planet. peace
today  so we can have it tomorrow, koko
—– Original Message —–
From
To
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Bird Strike on C-130

Here is what happens when a C-130 tangles with an eagle.

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:54:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Fair enough Vector – fair points , I just don’t see the need to bitch at somebody over and over……………  anyway ………. cheers  , sjonny

From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I don’t have a problem with multi-meg attachments. I’m in college, I
>have a Pentium 4 and DSL, his attachments take me 2 secodns to
>download. I have a porn and videogame optimized workstation 🙂 I
>download DVD’s I steal on P2P sites, my hard disks are soooooooooooo
>big my TiVo can record for months, my graphics card is sooooooooooo
>fast it plays Doom 3 at full-res. I don’t care, I live in “the states”
>I am I guess middle class, which makes me extremely rich by world
>standards and file sizes or mail quotas do not effect me at all.
>
>I’m ranting 🙂
>
>I didn’t dis anybody, I wrote a message explaining that not everybody
>is you and peeps getting upset are upset because you’re breaking their
>email and wasting their time and money. Sending some photos is no big
>deal once in a while. Ron sent a huge attachment, peeps asked him to
>stop, he responded by sending more and more shit. He sent 3 jpegs which
>could be compressed down to 100K, they’re small photos but he made them
>2mb big, they’re 20 times as big as they need to be because he doesn’t
>understand how to compress them or file sizes.
>
>If the problem is ignornace, then hopefully everybody is more
>knowledgable now. If the problem is being an asshole on purpose and
>trying to crash people’s email, it’s not my list, but you do that on
>any list and the admins will ask you to stop or throw you off. This
>isn’t ideology, philosophy, the content of your messages, a drug list,
>a ibogaine list, it’s continuing to disrupt people’s email even after
>you’ve obviously upset alot of them who were upset enough to post about
>it and usually don’t have anything to say on the list. Some of them
>were even polite and tried to explain their problem with it 😉
>
>On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
>remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
>Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉
>
>.:vector:.
>
>— “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>———————————
>
>Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I
>dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if
>it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over
>yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!
>
>                                     sjonny.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
>Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
> >or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
> >with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
> >email bounce out.
> >
> >If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
> >your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
> >Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
> >which people tell their spam filters to let through.
> >
> >Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
> >on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
> >that.
> >
> >.:vector:.
> >
> >— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in
>my
> > > native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
> > > qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
> > > WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A
>GAP
> > > IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
> > > FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
> > > THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
> > > PERSON MAKE.
> > >   —– Original Message —–
> >
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] new JAMA stuff on opiod dependency
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:44:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The AP wire is running a story on this article that boils down to…
rapid detox is dangerous.

JAMA. 2005;294:875.

Anesthesia-Assisted vs Buprenorphine- or Clonidine-Assisted Heroin
Detoxification and Naltrexone Induction: A Randomized Trial
Eric D. Collins, Herbert D. Kleber, Robert A. Whittington, and Nicole E. Heitler
JAMA. 2005;294:903-913.

There’s also an interesting looking editorial… here’s the first 150
words… does anyone have full-access and know if it mentions our
favorite jungle de-joneser?

Methods of Detoxification and Their Role in Treating Patients With
Opioid Dependence

Patrick G. O’Connor, MD, MPH

JAMA. 2005;294:961-963.

“Opioid dependence and its associated morbidity, mortality, and social
costs continue to plague societies around the world. Opioid dependence
is characterized by physical dependence as evidenced by tolerance and
withdrawal and by behavioral problems, including the inability to
control opioid use, opioid use despite adverse consequences, and
social dysfunction. The 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health
reported that 3.7 million Americans had used heroin at some time in
their lives.1 The Monitoring the Future Survey noted that
approximately 1.2% of 10th- and 12th-graders reported ever using
heroin in 2004.2 In addition, the recent trend of increasing abuse of
prescription opioids including oxycodone, propoxyphene, hydrocodone,
hydromorphone, and meperidine has been a major concern since the late
1990s. The National Survey on Drug Use and Health1 estimated that as
of 2003, more than 31.2 million Americans had used narcotic pain
relievers in . . ”

Be well, be safe, be happy.  lots of love, rachel


“Ibogaine is not, and never will be, a recreational drug.”  Eric Taub

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:43:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can share images through this website: http://www.imageshack.us/  I
believe you can host 10 images without registering but it’s free.  You
upload the images and they give you pre-made links you can copy and paste
into emails or forum boards or whatever.  The rub is that when someone
clicks the first link, they get the image and a pop-up ad, but only on the
first link.  Subsequent links clicked in close enough succession, like a few
minutes, don’t make more ads.

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:24 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO

Email accounts differ in a lot of ways, but points for thinking of
others, and points for having great pictures to share. There must
be some way to do it without email (Vector?) since this one also
filled my mailbox. Others, please xcuse me my limitations.

Floggings will continue until morale improves.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:30:47 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
Messagecaution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it
has no place on this forum other than to see if we all have
learned from my weekend mistake.  my flyboy/girl friends send them

to me  periodically  to remind me of bushes’ war.  watch your hard

drives, ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for
this tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a
human… it is germain because war affects everyone /everything
alive.  foreign policy  in the US must change if we are to survive

another 50-100 yrs in a world that is compatible to the stomach
and eyes and the rest of our senses.  it is sent for shock value,
wake up call and to generate conversation among those of us who
lived in the good old days which slip all too quickly imho.
vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it to this day and what i did

and they made it all the best kept secret on the planet. peace
today  so we can have it tomorrow, koko
—– Original Message —–
From
To
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Bird Strike on C-130

Here is what happens when a C-130 tangles with an eagle.

Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get
secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:38:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You are sane in your personal interpretation of life ;=]

From:  “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:18:01 -0400
>Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
>Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I
>think, “gee, must be nice way to go.”
>But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel
>it, well, that’s seriously debatable.
>
>
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston
>
>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>often mistaken for madness”
>Richard Davenport-Hines
>
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
>Sept. 2005)
>Cont. High Times mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
>
>
>>I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere
>>for a few weeks or a month
>LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge
>amounts of cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring
>(cash inspired) enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps
>keep me sane ………. !
>                                                        sjonny.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400
>
>
>ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient
>american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away
>from me (I think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still),
>and now I’m still a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to
>the person who helped me out- he rocks and I consider him a real
>friend, but I am really ill. Still. The ibogaine is wearing off
>completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and as already
>mentioned still a bit ill.
>    At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take
>it a minute at a time.
>    I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in
>somewhere for a few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to
>detox from everything, nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a
>while to see what happens. So V says, “just do it here darn it,” but
>it’s really tough in NYC.
>    Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers
>and sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when
>not no.
>    BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few
>nights ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use
>for someone street bound.
>    Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s
>computer with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something
>unopened email to go through and am not up to it yet), my computer
>apparently doesn’t have the same problems others’ do- so perhaps I
>should apologize for suggesting you continue posting them, to you
>and to everyone.
>    I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.
>
>
>Peace and love,
>Preston Peet
>
>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>often mistaken for madness”
>Richard Davenport-Hines
>
>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
>Sept. 2005)
>Cont. High Times mag/.com
>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>Columnist New York Waste
>Etc.
>
>
>
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:23:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Email accounts differ in a lot of ways, but points for thinking of
others, and points for having great pictures to share. There must
be some way to do it without email (Vector?) since this one also
filled my mailbox. Others, please xcuse me my limitations.

Floggings will continue until morale improves.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:30:47 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
Messagecaution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it
has no place on this forum other than to see if we all have
learned from my weekend mistake.  my flyboy/girl friends send them

to me  periodically  to remind me of bushes’ war.  watch your hard

drives, ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for
this tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a
human… it is germain because war affects everyone /everything
alive.  foreign policy  in the US must change if we are to survive

another 50-100 yrs in a world that is compatible to the stomach
and eyes and the rest of our senses.  it is sent for shock value,
wake up call and to generate conversation among those of us who
lived in the good old days which slip all too quickly imho.
vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it to this day and what i did

and they made it all the best kept secret on the planet. peace
today  so we can have it tomorrow, koko
—– Original Message —–
From
To
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Bird Strike on C-130

Here is what happens when a C-130 tangles with an eagle.

Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get
secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2

Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger
http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Db error message, could it be true???
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:59:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Actually, Vector….. I’ve just realized that the last two or three posts
have gone thru without that message as well!!!! OMG maybe somebody actually
got my emails!!!!!! And fixed the problem!!!
Great, now I can go back to clearnet and not have three different accounts
to check.
Man that took a while didn’t it? Thanks to my mate who happened to find the
website…..
Hallebloodylooyah
Kirk

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:55:36 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

,”my graphics card is sooooooooooo fast it plays Doom 3 at full res.”

[Capt Kirk] I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (puter lags everytime there’s a battle
grrrr argghhh muttermutter lol)

On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉

.:vector:.
[Capt Kirk] Well aren’t you a lucky bastard because even using Yahoo email
account I still am getting the dreaded email! I found a website for Concept
and forward it everytime I get it to every email I found on that website
(accounts, sales, help, etc etc) but still no human bein to be found. Gonna
send in some Klingons very shortly.
But am very glad if it has stopped bouncing to the list.
Wait til I find a phone number, somebody at concept is gonna get a ear
slapping.
Luff heaps
Kirk

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:45:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOVE IT!!  Very funny show~ have always loved Brit humour.. welllll guess
they had to be good at something (heehee)
Luff
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Boris Leshinsky [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 1:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY
TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO

Anyone seen the Little Britain comedy series?

Marvin the Paranoid Android seems to have evolved into the Little Britain
character, Anne, the mental patient. “Eh-Eh-Eh”.
That show is probably not on in the US though.

Tolerance does not work without respect.

But I suppose the show must go on.

Boris

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:41:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t have a problem with multi-meg attachments. I’m in college, I
have a Pentium 4 and DSL, his attachments take me 2 secodns to
download. I have a porn and videogame optimized workstation 🙂 I
download DVD’s I steal on P2P sites, my hard disks are soooooooooooo
big my TiVo can record for months, my graphics card is sooooooooooo
fast it plays Doom 3 at full-res. I don’t care, I live in “the states”
I am I guess middle class, which makes me extremely rich by world
standards and file sizes or mail quotas do not effect me at all.

I’m ranting 🙂

I didn’t dis anybody, I wrote a message explaining that not everybody
is you and peeps getting upset are upset because you’re breaking their
email and wasting their time and money. Sending some photos is no big
deal once in a while. Ron sent a huge attachment, peeps asked him to
stop, he responded by sending more and more shit. He sent 3 jpegs which
could be compressed down to 100K, they’re small photos but he made them
2mb big, they’re 20 times as big as they need to be because he doesn’t
understand how to compress them or file sizes.

If the problem is ignornace, then hopefully everybody is more
knowledgable now. If the problem is being an asshole on purpose and
trying to crash people’s email, it’s not my list, but you do that on
any list and the admins will ask you to stop or throw you off. This
isn’t ideology, philosophy, the content of your messages, a drug list,
a ibogaine list, it’s continuing to disrupt people’s email even after
you’ve obviously upset alot of them who were upset enough to post about
it and usually don’t have anything to say on the list. Some of them
were even polite and tried to explain their problem with it 😉

On the sunny side of online problems, for the first time I can
remember, I’ve posted and not received Capt. Kirk’s error messages 🙂
Way to go Capt’n, did you finally find Scotty to fix the enterpise? 😉

.:vector:.

— “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:

———————————

Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I
dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if
it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over
yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!

sjonny.

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From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
email bounce out.

If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
which people tell their spam filters to let through.

Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
that.

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in
my
native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A
GAP
IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
PERSON MAKE.
—– Original Message —–

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:18:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, like Ozzzy and his kids.
Everytime I hear about one of them checking in to Betty Ford, I think, “gee, must be nice way to go.”
But whether anything could ever Reeeeeeaaaly make me sane or feel it, well, that’s seriously debatable.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick

I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge amounts of cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring (cash inspired) enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps keep me sane ………. !
sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still. The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything, nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:13:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jesus  , people can be so fucking petty – what’s your real problem ?  I dont have cable yet I can deal with a multi Meg file by deleting it if it’s something I don’t need. This is one mistake by someone , get over yourself ………….. fuck !!!!!!!!
sjonny.

From:  Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
>You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
>or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
>with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
>email bounce out.
>
>If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
>your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
>Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
>which people tell their spam filters to let through.
>
>Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
>on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
>that.
>
>.:vector:.
>
>— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my
> > native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
> > qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
> > WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP
> > IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
> > FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
> > THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
> > PERSON MAKE.
> >   —– Original Message —–
>
>
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>Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>http://mail.yahoo.com
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:57:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

> I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a few weeks or a month
LOL ………….I honestly think about (fantasize) having huge amounts of cash and getting clean and happy in a comfortable, caring (cash inspired) enviroment sometimes – We have to dream – it helps keep me sane ………. !
sjonny.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:04:14 -0400
ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still. The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything, nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another ibo session
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:20:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

go matthew

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules.  It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing.  The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick.  At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience.  I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did.  Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens.  I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence.  It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule.  I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using.  In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch.  So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and dope sick
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:04:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ok, I did a slightly larger “booster” last night at 6PM, had ancient american indians starting at me, lots of little kids running away from me (I think related to abadonment issues, but am unsure still), and now I’m still a bit dope sick and miserable. I am so grateful to the person who helped me out- he rocks and I consider him a real friend, but I am really ill. Still. The ibogaine is wearing off completely leaving me feeling a bit frazzled and as already mentioned still a bit ill.
At least I’m sitting up for a few minutes- but as V says, take it a minute at a time.
I think if I were rich, I’d just fucking check myself in somewhere for a few weeks or a month. This is ridiculous. Just to detox from everything, nicotine, opiates, everything, just for a while to see what happens. So V says, “just do it here darn it,” but it’s really tough in NYC.
Anyway, wow am I sick feeling, goosebumps and chills, shivers and sweats. Aren’t opiates wonderful? When I have enough yeah, when not no.
BTW, our friend Marcus is ok, I ran into him on 2nd St. a few nights ago. He’s streetbound but ok- if that’s ever the word to use for someone street bound.
Also, to I guess Ron, who has apparently loaded up every else’s computer with attachments again (sorry, I have 300 and something unopened email to go through and am not up to it yet), my computer apparently doesn’t have the same problems others’ do- so perhaps I should apologize for suggesting you continue posting them, to you and to everyone.
I love you all, in that cyber sorta way.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:01:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anyone seen the Little Britain comedy series?

Marvin the Paranoid Android seems to have evolved into the Little Britain character, Anne, the mental patient. “Eh-Eh-Eh”.
That show is probably not on in the US though.

Tolerance does not work without respect.

But I suppose the show must go on.

Boris

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Ron and photos
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:01:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well Ron, just wanted to say, you are more than welcome to send any
interesting photos to my personal email.
Like I’ve said, I guess I just don’t understand the space/modem issue so I
guess it’s best not to send any attachments, no matter how small.
Just stick with your rants, then if they winj, they can find the door.
Luff lite n lafta to all
Kirk :o)

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:59:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You don’t seem to be getting it. It doesn’t matter if someone opens it
or not, if they have limited quotas for disk space then your messages
with the huge pictures just broke their email and made all their other
email bounce out.

If they have a slow connection, they still have to sit and wait for
your huge message to download then decide they don’t want to read it.
Unlike most of their spam, you are sending it to the ibogaine list
which people tell their spam filters to let through.

Nomatter your intention, you are breaking people’s email it looks like
on purpose at this point because people keep asking you to stop doing
that.

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my
native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i
qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE
WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP
IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS
FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE
PERSON MAKE.
—– Original Message —–

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:51:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh for feks sake it was ONE LARGE EMAIL~!!!!!!!
I’m getting annoyed now….
I think he’s been told enuff don’t you?
Those last photos were tiny….. no bigger than stuff other people have sent WITHOUT getting so much dung thrown at them for doing it.
Geez.
I’ve been told by more than one person that I post too much (but majority of them didn’t have the guts to winj to me about it… I guess you know WHO YOU ARE!! Haaaaa :oP~~~@).. hey I made the top 3, and can only hope I was sitting in number ONE position there for a while.
And Ron has cheered up…. Do you not remember what he was like in the past???
Bloody hell  just how damn perfect are some of you out there?
Love n hugs n kisses from one who will never be perfect.
And fekking happy about it too.
Yo  Ron still waiting for the 10  megabyte photo of you in the clown suit!!!
Heh
Kirkxxxxxxxxxx

From: Lorenzo [mailto:lorenzo-aguila@excite.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for others who are not 
you, not because of content of what you say, nobody ask you to change your 
thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer up once in while but ask you to stop sending
huge photo messages. Why do you feel need to become more annoying in way that is obviously on purpose?


Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it results on re-doubled effort 
to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I don’t understand computers!’ and then keep 
doing it. 

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I turn off web graphics in
browser I have email partition set for list that keep filling up with junk.


Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked, I too am asking,
please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.


Cheers
Lorenzo


— On Tue 08/23, Ron Davis < rwd3@cox.net > wrote: From: Ron Davis [mailto: rwd3@cox.net] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO caution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no 
place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my 
weekend mistake. my flyboy/girl friends send them to me 
periodically to remind me of bushes’ war. watch your hard drives, 
ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this 
tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is 
germain because war affects everyone /everything alive. foreign 
policy in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs 
in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of 
our senses. it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate 
conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which 
slip all too quickly imho. vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it 
to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret 
on the planet. peace today so we can have it tomorrow, koko

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] O.D’s in the East Village related to Afghani de-regulation
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:49:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Anybody know whats up with the with all the overdose deaths in the E. Village? I read an article in the Times that the smack is getting alot stronger. I think that since the U.S began occupations and the post 9-11 operations the quantity and quality of the herion has sky rocketed. Even in Syracuse (where i live)  my friends tell me that the shit is better now that it has been in the other Reagan drug conspiracy. I don’t know I i can really say its better (myself) becuase people are used to the same ol low quality shit  in Syr that im afraid what is happening in the city is gonna spread out. Its a lose lose situation if you ask me. Like they say :”You can always do more, but never less” Thats whats up yall, be aware and “GO_IBO” if ya  can

Arlo Zims

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:47:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron I don’t hate you and don’t care about your attachments, I have DSL
a new computer and no disk space quota. Most peeps don’t have this, lot
of peeps pay for their disk storage space. If you did what you’re doing
on any list, they would throw you off.

Peeps have sent bigggg ass attachments to the ibogaine list before,
always by accident, when someone tells them this they say sorry and
stop doing it. You’re doing your best to act like a asshole. You’re
wasting other people’s time and money.

I don’t hate you, I’m not mad at you, you’ve made valuable
contributions to my life by telling me the secret origins of where Matt
Groening and The Simpsons ripped off Krusty The Klown from, sounds like
a identical copy of Koko the Klown, iguess Matt liked the show in his
childhood too 😉

In case you don’t understand computers or even basic conduct and want
to ignore everyone here who has asked nicely or not so nicely ;), here
are helpful guides. No giant pictures attached.

.:vector:.

http://www.petri.co.il/email_netiquette.htm

Ask before sending attachments

Sending idiotic 2MB pictures, Flash greeting cards, movie clips or
other large content may be quite frustrating. Consider the fact that a
lot of people may have just wanted to quickly check their e-mail and
ended up waiting 20 minutes for a stupid attachment to download from
their mail server.

Also, on most servers that use strict quota limits, if a mailbox is not
constantly emptied, overly large attachments can clog it and prevent
the owner from getting e-mail.

http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html

Always minimize, compress or “zip” large files before sending. Many
folks new to the online world do not realize how large documents,
graphics or photo files are. Guess what? They are large enough to fill
someone’s e-mail box and cause their other mail to bounce! Get in the
habit of compressing anything over 200,000 bytes. (You can view file
sizes in Windows Explorer. Simply right click on the file name and
choose properties.) There are several types of file compression
software available for these purposes. Do not send unannounced large
attachments to others because you think that photo or file is cute or
cool or neat. Ask first!

Many onliners still have to wait up to 30 minutes or more to open
overly large files due to their connection speed.

To send large files that take a long time to download that may not
respect the other person’s time, reflect their sense of humor or point
of view and may even max out their e-mail box is pretty inconsiderate
and lazy.

— Lorenzo <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com> wrote:

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for
others who are not you, not because of content of what you say,
nobody ask you to change your thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer
up once in while but ask you to stop sending huge photo messages. Why
do you feel need to become more annoying in way that is obviously on
purpose?

Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it
results on re-doubled effort to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I
don’t understand computers!’ and then keep doing it.

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I
turn off web graphics in browser I have email partition set for list
that keep filling up with junk.

Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked,
I too am asking, please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.

Cheers
Lorenzo

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:45:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i give it to you my friend. thank you for communicating with me in my native language. if you opened my last email, shame on you as i qualified it in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS.  THE READER KNEW WHAT HE OR SHE WAS GETTING IN TO.  I LEARNED ANOTHER VALUABLE LESSON, THERE IS A GAP IN TRANSLATION THAT I AM TOO UNSOPHISTICATED TO GRASP.  I’M NOT AS FREAKING SMART AS I WANT TO BE NOR AS CONSIDERATE AS I THINK I AM.  THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME THIS. ONE IBO SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lorenzo
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for others who are not
you, not because of content of what you say, nobody ask you to change your
thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer up once in while but ask you to stop sending
huge photo messages. Why do you feel need to become more annoying in way that is obviously on purpose?

Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it results on re-doubled effort
to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I don’t understand computers!’ and then keep
doing it.

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I turn off web graphics in
browser I have email partition set for list that keep filling up with junk.

Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked, I too am asking,
please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Tue 08/23, Ron Davis < rwd3@cox.net > wrote: From: Ron Davis [mailto: rwd3@cox.net] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO caution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no
place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my
weekend mistake. my flyboy/girl friends send them to me
periodically to remind me of bushes’ war. watch your hard drives,
ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this
tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is
germain because war affects everyone /everything alive. foreign
policy in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs
in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of
our senses. it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate
conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which
slip all too quickly imho. vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it
to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret
on the planet. peace today so we can have it tomorrow, koko

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From: “Lorenzo” <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] To Ron Please Stop
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:23:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When more then one person asks you to please show some respect for others who are not
you, not because of content of what you say, nobody ask you to change your
thoughts or beliefs except maybe cheer up once in while but ask you to stop sending
huge photo messages. Why do you feel need to become more annoying in way that is obviously on purpose?

Please have respect for others, asking this to you look like it results on re-doubled effort
to be more annoying. ‘It was accident I don’t understand computers!’ and then keep
doing it.

I like email list to have overview of messages and read how I like, I turn off web graphics in
browser I have email partition set for list that keep filling up with junk.

Please show basic respect for other people and stop. Many have asked, I too am asking,
please stop filling my mail with junk. Thank you.

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Tue 08/23, Ron Davis < rwd3@cox.net > wrote: From: Ron Davis [mailto: rwd3@cox.net] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO caution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no
place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my
weekend mistake. my flyboy/girl friends send them to me
periodically to remind me of bushes’ war. watch your hard drives,
ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this
tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is
germain because war affects everyone /everything alive. foreign
policy in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs
in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of
our senses. it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate
conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which
slip all too quickly imho. vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it
to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret
on the planet. peace today so we can have it tomorrow, koko

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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Congrats Sjonny!
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:25:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Randy , my weight is 80 kgs and I took plenty of omega 4 , c.l.o and magnesium/zinc tablets around 5 weeks before my doses . Having trust and confidence in my provider was paramount to me and this proved to be the most important criteria for future treatment – I can’t imagine a better provider. This is an absolute must , I was rewarded by choosing an excellent experienced man to do this ,  who I can’t thank enough ,
sjonny.

From: RowdyRandy420@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Congrats Sjonny!
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:25:28 EDT

Sjonny, just curious, how much do you weigh and what kind of vitamins and
supplements did you take in the days leading up to your treatment? By the way,
congrats on what seems to have been a good experience for you! Good luck, Stay
Strong!

Randy

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bird Strike on C-130 BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU TRY TO OPEN THIS IS LONG AND YOU MAY HATE ME MORE THAN YOU ALREADY DO
Date: August 23, 2005 at 6:30:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

caution, read this in detail, it is a test off topic.., it has no place on this forum other than to see if we all have learned from my weekend mistake.  my flyboy/girl friends send them to me  periodically  to remind me of bushes’ war.  watch your hard drives, ex military need not apply, do not compromise your pc for this tripe.. i intend no harm, this involves a bird, not a human… it is germain because war affects everyone /everything alive.  foreign policy  in the US must change if we are to survive another 50-100 yrs in a world that is compatible to the stomach and eyes and the rest of our senses.  it is sent for shock value, wake up call and to generate conversation among those of us who lived in the good old days which slip all too quickly imho.  vietnam was a real hoot, i lie about it to this day and what i did and they made it all the best kept secret on the planet. peace today  so we can have it tomorrow, koko
—– Original Message —–
From
To
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Bird Strike on C-130

Here is what happens when a C-130 tangles with an eagle.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 23, 2005 at 5:41:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I like this guy so go have a read and see what you think..I’d like to get
some of this stuff for a mate.. but funds are…hey what funds? Lol
http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/655SUJS/W655E744/?o=165678&u=2912879&l=6497
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Sending you healing vibes
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 5:50 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of

i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
Oww…
Thanks,
love
tink

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 5:29:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

anyone else ever send you a long email?  naw, probably not….I’m the first
i suppose.
[Capt Kirk]
HAHAHA hear hear RON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol
KIRK xx

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 5:27:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please go to the start page of the Ibogaine list and READ IT.
I happen to like Ron, and have found recently he has found a sense of humour
that,  like ALL humour will not always be understood or appreciated….
It has been a pleasure to see Ron come from a place of doom and gloom to one
of more joviality…. and as you said…just DON’T READ IT.
I ALSO use a modem to download mail…. what’s the deal with yours freezing?
I don’t get it….I don’t have top of the line computer either.
So, stop YOUR whining lol… said with a laugh and no offence intended…
Carry on RON…..that’s what this list is for.. whatever you want to say on
any particular day.
KIRK.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vivienne Elanta [mailto:vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 3:50 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again
cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop sending
all
this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it freezes up for
10
minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even open
once
it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.

The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems. Carrying on and
on
about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just skip over
most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto the
ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the ibogaine
list,
not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
something about your problems.

If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer, please do
let
me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your donation.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From
To:
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II) ron to sch…(ot)
Date: August 23, 2005 at 4:43:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Schmooly:
never heard back.  i’m thinkin persona non grata. just read some of the recent posts and you’ll see why.  how was it?  pix?  always interested in motorscooters, always.  had dinner with Sonny Barger in ’67 bout the time Oakland Angels broke up and he went south to get his scooter and woman. he stopped by my head shop after a speeding ticket to see the 48 Indian Chief the heat kept telling him about.  i traded it for dope 2 years later, the first of many regretful doper mistakes, ron. hope all is well
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II) ron to sch…

I will be on a 3 week motorcycle trip. If anyone from the group is going to be in Sturgis S. Dakota for the rally, let me know on this list. Would like to meet.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 23, 2005 at 3:28:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hertz, especially when self amusement may be a factor. of course me detractors won’t elaborate on that cuz they arez egoless  now and fully enlightened. i’m still sick and so is me cat, arrrrr..koko
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of

i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
Oww…
Thanks,
love
tink

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 23, 2005 at 3:07:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All ,I was diagnosed with ulnar nerve neuropathy,had the emg & all, acupuncture got rid of it for me,good luck -shell

“Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:
Hi Tink , I have a guitarist freind who suffered this because of excessive finger and wrist movements (you can imagine) – resting your hand and digits is the first step , anti-inflammatory drugs are the second. Ask a doctor for the rest …….. good luck ! ………….. sjonny.

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:50:02 -0400
>i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
>wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
>Oww…
>Thanks,
>love
>tink
>
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sjonny
Date: August 23, 2005 at 3:04:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks everyone , I have to say that the tribal warrior/shaman apparitions were vivid and gave me a profound sense of ‘not being alone’ – I was ‘conversing’ with them and they danced and kept reassuring me ‘ it’s going to be ok ‘.  This all happened in the context of Ibogaine reality and seemed perfectly acceptable.
The capsules I took (at two hour intervals) produced no nausea , I could feel the rise,plateau and easing off of the first two , then everything washed into one ,       
                                                                                            sjonny

From:  Capt Kirk <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  Re: [Ibogaine] Sjonny
Date:  Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
>Trying not to be jealous of your iboganaut-ness but
>cool, I am very happy for ya!
>My turn will come.
>Manifesting all requirements.ribal
>Sweet as
>KIrk :o)
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From: “Sjonnygee .” <sjonnygee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 23, 2005 at 2:10:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink , I have a guitarist freind who suffered this because of excessive finger and wrist movements (you can imagine) – resting your hand and digits is the first step , anti-inflammatory drugs are the second. Ask a doctor for the rest …….. good luck ! ………….. sjonny.

From:  tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject:  [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date:  Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:50:02 -0400
>i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
>wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
>Oww…
>Thanks,
>love
>tink
>
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From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 1:46:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All is forgiven ron, if it makes you feel any better go right ahead and keep
venting.

I was a bit annoyed when all of that landed in my mail, please do realise that
not all of us are in the states where you take everything for granted and can
talk about poverty being someone who drives a ford taurus. Not saying i’m
destitute, i’m not, but cable is not available everywhere and in parts where it
is it can be frightfully expensive.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta
— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

you have evolved well after ibo, but you are right, i should remain
silent while others accuse me of intentionally jamming their
expensive machines knowing that for most of us (or at least me) it
represents about 1/3 of my gross income.  i cop to my misdeeds but
don’t like wearing things wrongly attributed to me because i did not
have Stephen Hawkins’ grasp of the universe.  do you set the bar that
high for yourself? maybe so, then my bad, point is , i know most of
us suffer financially thru our predicament and i would never
intentionally screw someone over thru this forum, or any
other……..  5 yr. old?  just gettin’ down where we can all
communicate on same level.  don’t like me?  neither did the heat or
snitches or screws…sorry i haven’t made it to where you are, i.e.
standing silently by drinking what’s left of my cold coffee on a
sunday morning takin’ it in the arse for trying to share something i
thought others may like.  do i know all the nuances of pc’s?  no, and
don’t tell me to leave it alone til i do…kind of like saying stay
high until you understand straight first. won’t work w/ me.  sorry
for the inconvenience.  anyone else ever send you a long email?  naw,
probably not….I’m the first i suppose.  sorry for the inconvenience
but i have learned some valuable lessons, thanks to you
guys …computers are unpredictable to me and easy to screw up.  ever
have one go out for no fucking reason?  probably not, but i have.
ibonauts are still travellers on very long journeys, they piss and
moan and groan when unexpectedly inconvenienced, like when the car
doesn’t start and yer on yer way to work.  just about the time they
are patting themselves on each others backs about how far they’ve
come.  maybe i’ll make it one day, maybe not, but you ain’t gonna
keepme from it cuz it’s  a bad hair day.  ONE LAST TIME, I”M SORRY
FOLKS..NOW SOME DOC WILL CHIME IN,  THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM RON, ALWAYS
GOING OFF AND ‘POLOGIZING WHEN THE SHITE HITS THE FAN…..POOR
BASTARD.  GIRL, I’D BUY YOU THAT DAMN PC IF I COULD AFFORD IT B/C IT
MAKES ME FEEL GOOD  TO GET PEOPLE UNEXPECTED GIFTS.  IT WOULD BE
ANONYMOUS SO’Z YOU WOULD’N’T TRASH IT B/4 YOU OPENED IT.  ON WITH THE
SHOW, PLEEZE, KOKO
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta”
<vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved
again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop
sending all
this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it
freezes up for 10
minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even
open once
it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.

The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems.
Carrying on and on
about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just
skip over
most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto
the
ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the
ibogaine list,
not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
something about your problems.

If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer,
please do let
me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your
donation.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

—– Original Message —–
From
To:
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot-sort of
Date: August 23, 2005 at 1:50:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i just found out that i have carpal tunnel and tendonitis in my right
wrist.  Any one know anything about this?
Oww…
Thanks,
love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] another ibo session
Date: August 23, 2005 at 1:41:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BE CAREFUL!! Email me-
love you
tink

On 8/23/05, shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Matt, Ive done it all at once, over three hours & a very slow taper, if
youre wanting to experience the real flood & be safe ,you can still do your
dose divided into 3 capsules ,youll still have the flood, but what exactly
are your safety concerns?best luck -shell

Matthew Shriver <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules. It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing. The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick. At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience. I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did. Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens. I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence. It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule. I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using. In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch. So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 12:52:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you have evolved well after ibo, but you are right, i should remain silent while others accuse me of intentionally jamming their expensive machines knowing that for most of us (or at least me) it represents about 1/3 of my gross income.  i cop to my misdeeds but don’t like wearing things wrongly attributed to me because i did not have Stephen Hawkins’ grasp of the universe.  do you set the bar that high for yourself? maybe so, then my bad, point is , i know most of us suffer financially thru our predicament and i would never intentionally screw someone over thru this forum, or any other……..  5 yr. old?  just gettin’ down where we can all communicate on same level.  don’t like me?  neither did the heat or snitches or screws…sorry i haven’t made it to where you are, i.e. standing silently by drinking what’s left of my cold coffee on a sunday morning takin’ it in the arse for trying to share something i thought others may like.  do i know all the nuances of pc’s?  no, and don’t tell me to leave it alone til i do…kind of like saying stay high until you understand straight first. won’t work w/ me.  sorry for the inconvenience.  anyone else ever send you a long email?  naw, probably not….I’m the first i suppose.  sorry for the inconvenience but i have learned some valuable lessons, thanks to you guys …computers are unpredictable to me and easy to screw up.  ever have one go out for no fucking reason?  probably not, but i have. ibonauts are still travellers on very long journeys, they piss and moan and groan when unexpectedly inconvenienced, like when the car doesn’t start and yer on yer way to work.  just about the time they are patting themselves on each others backs about how far they’ve come.  maybe i’ll make it one day, maybe not, but you ain’t gonna keepme from it cuz it’s  a bad hair day.  ONE LAST TIME, I”M SORRY FOLKS..NOW SOME DOC WILL CHIME IN,  THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM RON, ALWAYS GOING OFF AND ‘POLOGIZING WHEN THE SHITE HITS THE FAN…..POOR BASTARD.  GIRL, I’D BUY YOU THAT DAMN PC IF I COULD AFFORD IT B/C IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD  TO GET PEOPLE UNEXPECTED GIFTS.  IT WOULD BE ANONYMOUS SO’Z YOU WOULD’N’T TRASH IT B/4 YOU OPENED IT.  ON WITH THE SHOW, PLEEZE, KOKO
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle

Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop sending all
this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it freezes up for 10
minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even open once
it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.

The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems. Carrying on and on
about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just skip over
most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto the
ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the ibogaine list,
not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
something about your problems.

If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer, please do let
me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your donation.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM

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From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:50:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron would you please stop acting like a whiny 5 year old and stop sending all
this crap to the list. I use a modem to read my mail, find it freezes up for 10
minutes because it’s downloading 4 copies of something I can’t even open once
it’s sent because some arsehole keeps sending this claptrap.

The whole list, the whole world is not about your problems. Carrying on and on
about poor me got tiresome 6 months after you started, now I just skip over
most of your messages. Inflicting this junk on everyone signed onto the
ibogaine list is carrying it a little too far. AFAIK this is the ibogaine list,
not the poor, poor Ron list. Shut up already, get off your arse and do
something about your problems.

If someone feels I should get cable access or a faster computer, please do let
me know and I’m more then happy to send you my address for your donation.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

—– Original Message —–
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To:
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron
Date: August 23, 2005 at 11:17:44 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

that you can’t , man you crack me up dude
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron

In a message dated 8/22/05 12:13:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ron Davis writes:

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch
of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try,
to get outside that box they are all trapped in

Pussies? Pussies? Who you callin’  pussy? Don’t get me started man, I mean, I like pussies in general, some of them are real close to me. Pussies and me go way back, all the way to the start of my life if you look at it in a certain way. Pussies are people too man. Power to the pussies I say. I just can’t say enough about the pussies in my life.                      Randy

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] another ibo session
Date: August 23, 2005 at 10:02:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Matt, Ive done it all at once, over three hours & a very slow taper, if youre wanting to experience the real flood & be safe ,you can still do your dose divided into 3 capsules ,youll still have the flood, but what exactly are your safety concerns?best luck -shell

Matthew Shriver <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules. It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing. The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick. At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience. I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did. Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens. I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence. It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule. I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using. In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch. So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] another ibo session
Date: August 23, 2005 at 9:52:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Matt
I haven’t done the capsule thing with ibogaine but I have with other drugs
that taste like ass, and I know people who have taken ibo in capsules.  It
takes a little longer to come on, something like 30 minutes to an hour
longer, because your body can’t begin to absorb it until the capsule itself
dissolves.

As for taking it in stages, the effect will be slower to peak, obviously,
that way, but that could be a good thing or a bad thing.  The last time I
took ibo I did it in an enema to avoid nausea and it came on really freaking
quick.  At the time it scared the hell out of me but in retrospect it was
probably a good thing, just based on the fact that I resigned myself to it
and it turned into a great experience.  I sort of suspect that if it had
come on slower, I would have acclimated to it better and might have had more
ego resistance to the whole thing and therefore not have gotten the powerful
effect I did.  Of course that’s just a theory, we can never really know.

I guess it depends on what you’re after, I’m more or less of the opinion
that you should take it all (whatever your full dose will be) and see what
happens.  I have also always wondered how people can take more ibogaine
hours after they are under the influence.  It seems to me like it would be
hard to stomach, even in a capsule.  I could never do more than sip water
for a couple days after taking it.

But the slow, over time, dosing schedule would be less stressful I’m sure,
and produce a smoother transition into ibo-space.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:57 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next
fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into

5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i

would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if
that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it
the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok

however i know without ibo i just go back to using.  In fact yestarday a
buddy called me saying he just has a new batch.  So im already jonsing like
a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe
list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] another ibo session
Date: August 23, 2005 at 8:57:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello people

I can finally afford ibogaine and will be having another ibo seesion next fridday

but i dont want to put it down with water and drink it so im putting it into 5 capsules 200mg each.

Will the trip be more intense if i take the whole dose at once? Preferably i would like to take 2 every hour or so because of my health issues but if that means the trip is going to suffer then fuk it!

Anybody have experience with capsules?…..how long is the wait>?….is it the same as taken in a drink form>?

I just went cold turkey from an oxy habbit and still feel shaky but doing ok however i know without ibo i just go back to using.  In fact yestarday a buddy called me saying he just has a new batch.  So im already jonsing like a mothefuker!!

Too much temptations!!

Pls send positive vibes for a SAFE journey(no need to send messages tothe list, a positive thought send my way inside ur room is more than enough)

Love
Matt

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Randy boy…
Date: August 23, 2005 at 4:09:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy,

You crack me up man,..thanks for the laugh.

love ya mate, Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron

In a message dated 8/22/05 12:13:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ron Davis writes:

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch
of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try,
to get outside that box they are all trapped in

Pussies? Pussies? Who you callin’  pussy? Don’t get me started man, I mean, I like pussies in general, some of them are real close to me. Pussies and me go way back, all the way to the start of my life if you look at it in a certain way. Pussies are people too man. Power to the pussies I say. I just can’t say enough about the pussies in my life.                      Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] to all of koko’s critics …he’s evolved again cain’t help himself; for the shuttle debacle
Date: August 23, 2005 at 3:16:55 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From
To:
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject:  !

1.   Anyone who receives this from me is NOT on my list…and it’s getting long! The photo is nothing, so don抰 worry if it doesn抰 come out. KOKO
Slap Your Co-Worker Day is Coming!! 


Tomorrow is the official Slap Your Irritating Co-workers Holiday : Do you have a co-worker who talks nonstop about nothing, working your last nerve with tedious and boring details that you don’t give a damn about? Do you have a co-worker who ALWAYS screws up stuff creating MORE work for you? Do you have a co-worker who kisses so much booty, you can look in their mouth and see what your boss had for lunch? Do you have a co-worker who is SOOO obnoxious, when he/she enters a room, everyone else clears it? Well, on behalf of Ike Turner, I am so very glad to officially announce tomorrow as SLAP YOUR IRRITATING CO-WORKER DAY! 

These are the rules you must follow: 
* You can only slap one person per hour – no more. 
* You can slap the same person again if they irritate you again in the same day. 
* You are allowed to hold someone down as other co-workers take their turns slapping the irritant. 
* No weapons are allowed…other than going upside somebody’s head with a stapler or a hole-puncher. 
* CURSING IS MANDATORY! After you have slapped the recipient, your “assault” must be followed with something like “cause I’m sick of your stupid-a$$ always messing up stuff!” 

* If questioned by a supervisor [or police, if the supervisor is the irritant], you are allowed to LIE, LIE, LIE! Now, study the rules, break out your list of folks that you want to slap the living day lights out of and get to slapping…..and have a great day

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron
Date: August 23, 2005 at 3:07:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/22/05 12:13:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ron Davis writes:

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch
of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try,
to get outside that box they are all trapped in

Pussies? Pussies? Who you callin’  pussy? Don’t get me started man, I mean, I like pussies in general, some of them are real close to me. Pussies and me go way back, all the way to the start of my life if you look at it in a certain way. Pussies are people too man. Power to the pussies I say. I just can’t say enough about the pussies in my life.                      Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 23, 2005 at 2:58:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

capn’
me thinks it twas aspartame. free at last, free at last, gawd almighty, free at last
koko
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Um, could I make a suggestion…..get another mailbox?
I guess I can’t relate cos I’ve never had this problem..
Oh darn I posted again
Stopping now..
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 10:39 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Paying attention to what follows is hard when the mailbox stops
with “250% full” at the one big message. Probably I can find what I
missed somewhere on mindvox. I can’t apologise enough for being
annoyed 🙂

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:11:41 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you
have atoned
for your “sin”.

Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!

Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error
message..
trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.

Kirk

_____

From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?
SHOULD’VE
ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RERUNZCUZ IF YOUZ DO YOU SEEZ IT
Date: August 23, 2005 at 2:33:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

KOKO THINKZ THE SUN AND MOONZ AND ALL THE STARZ ARE GREAT  BIG TOOTZIE ROLL POPZ. BUT KOKO BE WRONGZ BEEFORZ.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [MAPS] Announcement – new Craker/DEA hearing weblog
Date: August 22, 2005 at 3:54:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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—– Original Message —– From: <admin@maps.org>
To: <maps-news@maps.org>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:12 PM
Subject: [MAPS] Announcement – new Craker/DEA hearing weblog

The MAPS sponsored legal action against the DEA seeking relief from delay in approval of
Professor Lyle Craker’s (University of Massachussetts, Amherst) pilot marijuana production
facility begins today in the DEA Administrative Law Court of Mary Ellen Bittner in
Washington DC.

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT artificial sweetener
Date: August 22, 2005 at 6:35:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk,

I love the way your mind works.

Here’s a URL along with several links to discredit the health risk claims
of
aspartame. You decide I guess… but I would rather stick to my raw sugar,
and when the urge strikes… I’ll chew sugar-filled gum and sweets as
opposed to sugar-free.. which in some cases taste like crap anyway…..
Kirk
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blasp.htm

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To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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Aspartame – Rumsfeld’s Bioweapon Legacy

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible Intl
8-20-5

Before reading this article everyone should hear James Turner, Atty,
explain how Don Rumsfeld called in his markers to get aspartame, a deadly
chemical poison approved when the FDA said no:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages.Rumsfeld2.html The entire film can be
gotten at http://www.docworkers.com

Among the many ironies of our modern world is that Gerald Ford awarded the
Presidential Medal of Freedom-America,s highest civilian honor-to Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on January 19, 1977. Just a few weeks later on
March 8, Rumsfeld became the CEO of G.D. Searle to take point on a mission
to force the Food and Drug Administration to approve for human consumption
a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.

Mission accomplished: Today some 9,000 commonly consumed products are
laced with this weapon of mass misery and millions of people live with
chronic illnesses linked to the artificial sweetener aspartame. It is our
belief at The Idaho Observer that if some guy named Parkinson can have a
disease named after him, then Donald Rumsfeld ought to have his own
disease, too. Hence the term Rumsfeld disease A.

Rumsfeld’s Disease

A Politically-Induced Biochemical
Disaster Of Global Proportions

By Don Harkins
The Idaho Observer
8-15-5

Today, Donald Rumsfeld is known throughout the world as the zealous U.S.
Secretary of Defense who is waging a global “war on terror” in search of
“terrorists” and “weapons of mass destruction.” Most people, however, are
not aware that Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical weapon of mass
destruction upon the world in 1981-and it,s still out there destroying
people all over the world. That “WMD” is aspartame and it has been
scientifically and anecdotally linked to millions of chronic illnesses and
deaths.

The evidence shows that, with full knowledge of aspartame,s neurotoxicity
and carcinogenicity, Rumsfeld, as the CEO of G.D. Searle, Co., “called in
his markers” to achieve U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval
for the artificial sweetener aspartame, better known by its trade name
“NutraSweet.”

Consumer advocate attorney Jim Turner, who was instrumental in the 1969
banning of cyclamate in the U.S. for its link to various forms of cancer,
met with representatives of aspartame approval petitioner Searle in 1974.
The main topic of discussion was neuroscientist Dr. John Olney,s 1971
study which showed that aspartic acid caused lesions in the brains of
infant mice. According to Turner, arguably the world,s foremost authority
on aspartame,s dubious legal history, Rumsfeld was apparently hired by
Searle for one specific purpose: To obtain FDA approval for aspartame.

Betty Martini is the director of Mission Possible, a worldwide consumer
advocacy organization formed in 1992 as a voice for those demanding that
the FDA reverse its approval of aspartame and order its removal from
foods, beverages and medical preparations. Martini is even more bold in
her charges against Rumsfeld. Martini believes the Washington insider,
former three-term U.S. Rep. From Illinois (1962-1968), secretary of
defense (1975-1977) and executive assistant to President Gerald Ford, was
hired by Searle because, “He was willing to get a deadly chemical poison,
aspartame, approved for human consumption”

Background

In December, 1965 Searle chemist James Schlatter discovered aspartame
while working on an ulcer drug. The substance, comprised of 50 percent
synthetic phenylalanine, 40 percent synthetic aspartic acid and 10 percent
methanol, was about 200 times sweeter than sugar by weight and had no
calories. By spring, 1967, Searle began conducting safety trials in
preparation for petitioning the FDA for product approval.

Soon after the trials began, lab animals (monkeys and mice) began
experiencing adverse effects ranging from brain lesions and tumors to
seizures and death. Yet Searle petitioned the FDA for aspartame approval
in February, 1973. According to Turner, Searle provided the FDA with over
100 studies claiming they proved aspartame was “safe.” Independent
analyses of these studies, however, proves conclusively that aspartame is
actually a dangerous, neurotoxic, carcinogenic and highly-addictive drug.

Trusting Searle,s promise that aspartame was safe, the FDA approved the
limited use of aspartame in dry goods on July 26, 1974. Turner and Dr.
Olney formally objected to the approval. Their petition triggered an FDA
investigation of Searle,s lab practices which proved that Searle had
provided the FDA with inaccurate conclusions resulting from manipulated
data derived from poorly-designed studies. The FDA reversed its decision
to approve aspartame in dry goods.

On January 10, 1977, the FDA formally requested that the U.S. Department
of Justice convene a federal grand jury to determine if Searle should be
criminally indicted for “concealing material facts and making false
statements” with regard to its petition for aspartame approval.

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about Searle,s shoddy lab
practices was how rats that developed tumors would undergo surgical
removal of the tumors and then be placed back into the study as if nothing
had happened to them.

The grand jury investigation was led by U.S. Attorney Samuel Skinner. In
July 1, 1977, while the investigation was being conducted, Skinner left
the Justice Department and took a job with Sidley & Austin-the law firm
representing Searle. The statute of limitations eventually ran out and the
grand jury disbanded without reaching any conclusions regarding Searle and
its lab practices.

Amid this controversy, Rumsfeld was hired as Searle CEO on March 8, 1977
and immediately began cleaning house. Rumsfeld, who had no previous
business executive experience before becoming CEO of Searle, reorganized
several departments in the company and fired many of its high-level
managers, replacing them with other politically-connected Washington,
D.C., insiders.

Though the controversies deepened and the evidence proving the poisonous
nature of his company,s product continued to accumulate, Rumsfeld and his
team continued to push for FDA approval of aspartame.

A team of FDA investigators headed by Jerome Bressler attempted to block
Rumsfeld, et. al, by publishing what has become known as the “Bressler
Report” on August 1, 1977. The report cited several instances where Searle
intentionally mislead the FDA in its petition for marketplace approval of
aspartame. The FDA then formed a public board of inquiry (PBOI) in 1979 to
rule on the myriad safety issues surrounding aspartame.

By this time, FDA investigators and independent scientists had
exhaustively reviewed the Searle studies and additional studies had been
conducted. There was no doubt, based upon objective analyses of evidence
that had accumulated for over a decade, that aspartame was deathly
poisonous to lab animals and caused a statistically significant number of
them to develop tumors.

On September 30, 1980, the PBOI concluded that aspartame should not be
approved pending further investigation of its link to the formation of
brain tumors and that the FDA “has not been presented with proof of
reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive.”

The coup

Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president January 21, 1981. Rumsfeld, while
still CEO at Searle, was part of Reagan,s transition team. This team
hand-picked Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., to be the new FDA commissioner.
Dr. Hayes, a pharmacologist, had no previous experience with food
additives before being appointed director of the FDA. He, like Rumsfeld,
did, however, have experience with chemical warfare studies while
connected to the Department of Defense. According to The Washington Post,
Hayes was, “one of a number of doctors who conducted drugs tests for the
Army on volunteers.to determine the effect of a mind-disorienting drug
called CAR 301,060,” at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

The Post further explained why Hayes was the perfect choice to politically
force the approval of aspartame: “According to a declassified 1976 report
prepared by the Army Inspector General, Hayes had planned a research study
to develop the mind-altering CAR 301,060 as a crowd control agent.”

The report, detailing Hayes activities beginning in 1972, further
indicated that Hayes was involved in similar biochemical mind control
research studies until being named FDA director.

One of Hayes, first official acts as FDA chief was to approve the use of
aspartame as an artificial sweetener in dry goods July 18, 1981. In order
to accomplish this feat, Hayes had to overlook the scuttled grand jury
investigation of Searle, overcome the Bressler Report, ignore the PBOI,s
recommendations and pretend aspartame did not chronically sicken and kill
thousands of lab animals. Hayes, left his post at the FDA in November,
1983, amid accusations that he was accepting corporate gifts for political
favors. Just before leaving office in scandal, Hayes approved the use of
aspartame in beverages. According to The Post, Hayes, next job was in the
private sector where he served as a high-paid senior medical advisor for
Searle,s public relations firm.

The aftermath

Within weeks of aspartame,s approval for use in beverages, cans of diet
sodas and other sweet drinks were on the market. To help sell Americans on
using the artificial sweetener, intense advertising campaigns began
programming the public to believe that sugar has lots of calories;
calories make us fat and NutraSweet has no calories-therefore it won,t
make us fat.

Based upon this almost universally-accepted oversimplification of
biochemical reality, aspartame has enjoyed 22 years of marketplace success
and is now in an estimated 7,000 to 9,000 commonly-consumed products in at
least 100 countries. When Searle was absorbed by Monsanto in 1985,
Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus.

Not surprisingly, the same adverse reactions seen in lab animals in the
60s and 70s are now being seen in the general population. In his first
book on aspartame (1990), Dr. H.J. Roberts stated that in five or 10 years
we would have a worldwide plague on our hands if we do not remove
aspartame from our food supply. With the printing of “Aspartame Disease:
An Ignored Epidemic (2001), Dr. Roberts declared that the world is,
indeed, plagued by a global epidemic of symptoms associated with aspartame
use.

* Aspartame is being identified by a growing number of researchers and
physicians as an underlying cause of chronic ill health in America and
other countries throughout the world.

* It interacts with other substances such as pharmaceutical drugs to
produce adverse reactions.

* All metabolites of aspartame (formaldehyde, methanol, diketopiperazine
and formic acid) are toxic to the human body and are especially toxic to
the brain.

* Aspartame comprises over 80 percent of consumer complaints filed with
the FDA.

* The FDA has generated a list of 92 symptoms associated with aspartame
consumption that include nausea, dizziness, irritability, insanity,
blindness, deafness, weight gain and death.

* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that 500,000 people
each year simply “drop dead” for no apparent reason from what it labels
“sudden cardiac death.”

* Dementia among all ages (especially the elderly) and learning
disabilities among children, in the U.S. and abroad, have been
skyrocketing since 1981.

As of today, the number of scientific and studies showing that aspartame
is, indeed, an underlying cause of chronic physical and mental illness and
death out number studies proving its safety by at least 400 to zero. Proof
of this fact can also be determined by what happens in many cases when
people stop using aspartame: Their chronic symptoms disappear.

The legacy

Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
by President Gerald Ford-the highest civilian honor in America-on January
19, 1977. A few months later, Rumsfeld became the CEO of Searle to secure
political approval for a product that science had proven to be a
highly-addictive neurotoxic drug that causes chronic ill health, brain
tumors and death. The evidence indicates that FDA approval for aspartame
was a high-level political priority undoubtedly connected to its capacity
to adversely effect the minds and bodies of those consuming it.

Because Rumsfeld placed politics above public health and safety, hundreds
of millions of people throughout the world cannot think clearly and suffer
from a variety of chronic illnesses. It is, therefore, fitting that
symptoms associated with aspartame use be known as “Rumsfeld,s disease.”

Caption: The search of a suitable picture of Donald Rumsfeld turned up
this image from Portland Indy Media. Though it may seem satirical, is it?
What goes through the mind of a man who knowingly poisons his own people?

End of Article

Note from Betty Martini:

Only yesterday in national news we learned diet and low calorie pop will
be left in schools which will poison our children. As an example, Coke
Zero has aspartame. Aspartame is a chemical hypersensitization agent
because it is a neurotoxic drug/chemical poison. It not only interacts
with all drugs but all vaccines and other toxins and unsafe sweeteners
like Splenda, a chlorocarbon poison. So our children don’t have a chance.
Only a few weeks ago an epidemiological study by Sharon Fowler at the
University of Texas based on 8 years data links diet drinks with obesity.
Aspartame also can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic
retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve and interacts with
insulin.

In July a 3 year Italian study was released by the European Foundation for
Oncology and Environmental Sciences which revealed it causes leukemia,
lymphoma and malignant brain tumors. Their July 14 05 report declares:
“The results demonstrate … that aspartame is a carcinogenic agent.” How
many mothers knowing this would want their children drinking an addictive
carcinogenic agent. Aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol which causes
chronic methanol poisoning. This affects the dopamine system of the brain
and causes addiction. Now understand why the pop companies want this
poison in your schools which causes Rumsfeld Disease.

Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., one of the world’s leading
authorities on aspartame neurotoxicity, extensively reviewed the Soffritti
report. “This study confirmed the previous study by Dr. Trocho and
co-workers (l998), which also found the formaldehyde breakdown product of
aspartame to be damaging to cellular DNA and that this damage was
cumulative. The type of damage was a duplicate of that associated with
cancers. These two studies strongly indicate that drinking a single diet
cola sweetened with aspartame every day could significantly increase one’s
risk of developing a lymphoma or leukemia.”

Dr. Blaylock said further “This study should terrify mothers and all those
consuming aspartame sweetened products. This was a carefully done study
which clearly demonstrated a statistically significant increase in several
types of lymphomas and leukemias in rats. Both of these malignancies have
increased significantly in this country since the widespread use of
aspartame.”

Only the animals exposed to aspartame developed malignant brain tumors and
we are now taking aspartame brain tumor cases for litigation in New York,
New Jersey, Madison County,Illinois and Mississippi. Simply contact me at
Bettym19@mindspring.com

Dr. Blaylock also said “They found that even lower doses of aspartame
could cause these malignancies, yet the higher the dose, the more cancers
that were seen. Since aspartame can increase obesity and may even cause
the metabolic syndrome that affects 48 million Americans, there is no
reason to ever consume this product. At the least, it should be
immediately banned from all schools.”

Any mother reading this article with children in school should immediately
take this to their principal, children’s teacher and PTA along with the
movie, Sweet Misery, and demand that all products with aspartame
(NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful, E951/Canderel/Benevia, etc.) and especially
pop with this poison be removed – period, no if’s, no and’s and no but’s.
And Board of Educations should also remove the lobbyists and those who
would offer money to keep poisoned pop in schools. How much is the brain
of your child worth. Remember this is the cause of the epidemic of ADD,
ADHD, autism, Tourettes, and behavioral problems.

For documentation of this read the experts books:

Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic
H. J. Roberts, M.D.
www.sunsentpress.com
or 1 800 827 7991

Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills and Health & Nutrition Secrets
By neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.
www.russellblaylockmd.com

Web sites: http://www.wnho.net and http://www.dorway.com Aspartame
Toxicity Center, http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame

Aspartame Information List, http://www.wnho.net Get involved

Rumsfeld Disease may become one of the largest plagues in world history.
The list of horrors is unending. Thanks to despicable and greedy Big
Pharma/Codex, in England supplements from industry now contain aspartame.
Diane Fleming still remains in a prison in Virginia because methanol was
found on her husband’s autopsy and they thought she poisoned him even
though she passed their lie detector test. Doctors affidavits state he
died from aspartame which causes methanol poisoning. Athletes like Fleming
are dying because aspartame damages the cardiac conduction system and
causes sudden death, although his was not sudden.

Enough is enough. Eradicate Rumsfeld Disease from our schools and from our
planet.

Don Harkins of the Idaho Observer has given permission to have this
republished. To help the effort the Idaho Observer –
www.idaho-observer.com publishes 24 page booklets for distribution on
Rumsfeld Disease called the Artificially Sweetened Times. Distribute them
throughout your schools, offices and churches to help eradicate Rumsfeld
Disease. And if you think the pop companies didn’t know the gum was loaded
be sure to read the protest of the National Soft Drink Assn. on
www.dorway.com

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway,
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770 242-2599

Idaho Observer
Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
Phone 208-255-2307
Email observer@coldreams.com
Web http://idaho-observer.com

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT artificial sweetener
Date: August 22, 2005 at 6:22:44 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s a URL along with several links to discredit the health risk claims of
aspartame. You decide I guess… but I would rather stick to my raw sugar,
and when the urge strikes… I’ll chew sugar-filled gum and sweets as
opposed to sugar-free.. which in some cases taste like crap anyway…..
Kirk
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blasp.htm

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2005 11:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT artificial sweetener

Aspartame – Rumsfeld’s Bioweapon Legacy

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible Intl
8-20-5

Before reading this article everyone should hear James Turner, Atty,
explain how Don Rumsfeld called in his markers to get aspartame, a deadly
chemical poison approved when the FDA said no:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages.Rumsfeld2.html The entire film can be
gotten at http://www.docworkers.com

Among the many ironies of our modern world is that Gerald Ford awarded the
Presidential Medal of Freedom-America,s highest civilian honor-to Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on January 19, 1977. Just a few weeks later on
March 8, Rumsfeld became the CEO of G.D. Searle to take point on a mission
to force the Food and Drug Administration to approve for human consumption
a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.

Mission accomplished: Today some 9,000 commonly consumed products are
laced with this weapon of mass misery and millions of people live with
chronic illnesses linked to the artificial sweetener aspartame. It is our
belief at The Idaho Observer that if some guy named Parkinson can have a
disease named after him, then Donald Rumsfeld ought to have his own
disease, too. Hence the term Rumsfeld disease A.

Rumsfeld’s Disease

A Politically-Induced Biochemical
Disaster Of Global Proportions

By Don Harkins
The Idaho Observer
8-15-5

Today, Donald Rumsfeld is known throughout the world as the zealous U.S.
Secretary of Defense who is waging a global “war on terror” in search of
“terrorists” and “weapons of mass destruction.” Most people, however, are
not aware that Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical weapon of mass
destruction upon the world in 1981-and it,s still out there destroying
people all over the world. That “WMD” is aspartame and it has been
scientifically and anecdotally linked to millions of chronic illnesses and
deaths.

The evidence shows that, with full knowledge of aspartame,s neurotoxicity
and carcinogenicity, Rumsfeld, as the CEO of G.D. Searle, Co., “called in
his markers” to achieve U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval
for the artificial sweetener aspartame, better known by its trade name
“NutraSweet.”

Consumer advocate attorney Jim Turner, who was instrumental in the 1969
banning of cyclamate in the U.S. for its link to various forms of cancer,
met with representatives of aspartame approval petitioner Searle in 1974.
The main topic of discussion was neuroscientist Dr. John Olney,s 1971
study which showed that aspartic acid caused lesions in the brains of
infant mice. According to Turner, arguably the world,s foremost authority
on aspartame,s dubious legal history, Rumsfeld was apparently hired by
Searle for one specific purpose: To obtain FDA approval for aspartame.

Betty Martini is the director of Mission Possible, a worldwide consumer
advocacy organization formed in 1992 as a voice for those demanding that
the FDA reverse its approval of aspartame and order its removal from
foods, beverages and medical preparations. Martini is even more bold in
her charges against Rumsfeld. Martini believes the Washington insider,
former three-term U.S. Rep. From Illinois (1962-1968), secretary of
defense (1975-1977) and executive assistant to President Gerald Ford, was
hired by Searle because, “He was willing to get a deadly chemical poison,
aspartame, approved for human consumption”

Background

In December, 1965 Searle chemist James Schlatter discovered aspartame
while working on an ulcer drug. The substance, comprised of 50 percent
synthetic phenylalanine, 40 percent synthetic aspartic acid and 10 percent
methanol, was about 200 times sweeter than sugar by weight and had no
calories. By spring, 1967, Searle began conducting safety trials in
preparation for petitioning the FDA for product approval.

Soon after the trials began, lab animals (monkeys and mice) began
experiencing adverse effects ranging from brain lesions and tumors to
seizures and death. Yet Searle petitioned the FDA for aspartame approval
in February, 1973. According to Turner, Searle provided the FDA with over
100 studies claiming they proved aspartame was “safe.” Independent
analyses of these studies, however, proves conclusively that aspartame is
actually a dangerous, neurotoxic, carcinogenic and highly-addictive drug.

Trusting Searle,s promise that aspartame was safe, the FDA approved the
limited use of aspartame in dry goods on July 26, 1974. Turner and Dr.
Olney formally objected to the approval. Their petition triggered an FDA
investigation of Searle,s lab practices which proved that Searle had
provided the FDA with inaccurate conclusions resulting from manipulated
data derived from poorly-designed studies. The FDA reversed its decision
to approve aspartame in dry goods.

On January 10, 1977, the FDA formally requested that the U.S. Department
of Justice convene a federal grand jury to determine if Searle should be
criminally indicted for “concealing material facts and making false
statements” with regard to its petition for aspartame approval.

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about Searle,s shoddy lab
practices was how rats that developed tumors would undergo surgical
removal of the tumors and then be placed back into the study as if nothing
had happened to them.

The grand jury investigation was led by U.S. Attorney Samuel Skinner. In
July 1, 1977, while the investigation was being conducted, Skinner left
the Justice Department and took a job with Sidley & Austin-the law firm
representing Searle. The statute of limitations eventually ran out and the
grand jury disbanded without reaching any conclusions regarding Searle and
its lab practices.

Amid this controversy, Rumsfeld was hired as Searle CEO on March 8, 1977
and immediately began cleaning house. Rumsfeld, who had no previous
business executive experience before becoming CEO of Searle, reorganized
several departments in the company and fired many of its high-level
managers, replacing them with other politically-connected Washington,
D.C., insiders.

Though the controversies deepened and the evidence proving the poisonous
nature of his company,s product continued to accumulate, Rumsfeld and his
team continued to push for FDA approval of aspartame.

A team of FDA investigators headed by Jerome Bressler attempted to block
Rumsfeld, et. al, by publishing what has become known as the “Bressler
Report” on August 1, 1977. The report cited several instances where Searle
intentionally mislead the FDA in its petition for marketplace approval of
aspartame. The FDA then formed a public board of inquiry (PBOI) in 1979 to
rule on the myriad safety issues surrounding aspartame.

By this time, FDA investigators and independent scientists had
exhaustively reviewed the Searle studies and additional studies had been
conducted. There was no doubt, based upon objective analyses of evidence
that had accumulated for over a decade, that aspartame was deathly
poisonous to lab animals and caused a statistically significant number of
them to develop tumors.

On September 30, 1980, the PBOI concluded that aspartame should not be
approved pending further investigation of its link to the formation of
brain tumors and that the FDA “has not been presented with proof of
reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive.”

The coup

Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president January 21, 1981. Rumsfeld, while
still CEO at Searle, was part of Reagan,s transition team. This team
hand-picked Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., to be the new FDA commissioner.
Dr. Hayes, a pharmacologist, had no previous experience with food
additives before being appointed director of the FDA. He, like Rumsfeld,
did, however, have experience with chemical warfare studies while
connected to the Department of Defense. According to The Washington Post,
Hayes was, “one of a number of doctors who conducted drugs tests for the
Army on volunteers.to determine the effect of a mind-disorienting drug
called CAR 301,060,” at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

The Post further explained why Hayes was the perfect choice to politically
force the approval of aspartame: “According to a declassified 1976 report
prepared by the Army Inspector General, Hayes had planned a research study
to develop the mind-altering CAR 301,060 as a crowd control agent.”

The report, detailing Hayes activities beginning in 1972, further
indicated that Hayes was involved in similar biochemical mind control
research studies until being named FDA director.

One of Hayes, first official acts as FDA chief was to approve the use of
aspartame as an artificial sweetener in dry goods July 18, 1981. In order
to accomplish this feat, Hayes had to overlook the scuttled grand jury
investigation of Searle, overcome the Bressler Report, ignore the PBOI,s
recommendations and pretend aspartame did not chronically sicken and kill
thousands of lab animals. Hayes, left his post at the FDA in November,
1983, amid accusations that he was accepting corporate gifts for political
favors. Just before leaving office in scandal, Hayes approved the use of
aspartame in beverages. According to The Post, Hayes, next job was in the
private sector where he served as a high-paid senior medical advisor for
Searle,s public relations firm.

The aftermath

Within weeks of aspartame,s approval for use in beverages, cans of diet
sodas and other sweet drinks were on the market. To help sell Americans on
using the artificial sweetener, intense advertising campaigns began
programming the public to believe that sugar has lots of calories;
calories make us fat and NutraSweet has no calories-therefore it won,t
make us fat.

Based upon this almost universally-accepted oversimplification of
biochemical reality, aspartame has enjoyed 22 years of marketplace success
and is now in an estimated 7,000 to 9,000 commonly-consumed products in at
least 100 countries. When Searle was absorbed by Monsanto in 1985,
Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus.

Not surprisingly, the same adverse reactions seen in lab animals in the
60s and 70s are now being seen in the general population. In his first
book on aspartame (1990), Dr. H.J. Roberts stated that in five or 10 years
we would have a worldwide plague on our hands if we do not remove
aspartame from our food supply. With the printing of “Aspartame Disease:
An Ignored Epidemic (2001), Dr. Roberts declared that the world is,
indeed, plagued by a global epidemic of symptoms associated with aspartame
use.

* Aspartame is being identified by a growing number of researchers and
physicians as an underlying cause of chronic ill health in America and
other countries throughout the world.

* It interacts with other substances such as pharmaceutical drugs to
produce adverse reactions.

* All metabolites of aspartame (formaldehyde, methanol, diketopiperazine
and formic acid) are toxic to the human body and are especially toxic to
the brain.

* Aspartame comprises over 80 percent of consumer complaints filed with
the FDA.

* The FDA has generated a list of 92 symptoms associated with aspartame
consumption that include nausea, dizziness, irritability, insanity,
blindness, deafness, weight gain and death.

* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that 500,000 people
each year simply “drop dead” for no apparent reason from what it labels
“sudden cardiac death.”

* Dementia among all ages (especially the elderly) and learning
disabilities among children, in the U.S. and abroad, have been
skyrocketing since 1981.

As of today, the number of scientific and studies showing that aspartame
is, indeed, an underlying cause of chronic physical and mental illness and
death out number studies proving its safety by at least 400 to zero. Proof
of this fact can also be determined by what happens in many cases when
people stop using aspartame: Their chronic symptoms disappear.

The legacy

Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
by President Gerald Ford-the highest civilian honor in America-on January
19, 1977. A few months later, Rumsfeld became the CEO of Searle to secure
political approval for a product that science had proven to be a
highly-addictive neurotoxic drug that causes chronic ill health, brain
tumors and death. The evidence indicates that FDA approval for aspartame
was a high-level political priority undoubtedly connected to its capacity
to adversely effect the minds and bodies of those consuming it.

Because Rumsfeld placed politics above public health and safety, hundreds
of millions of people throughout the world cannot think clearly and suffer
from a variety of chronic illnesses. It is, therefore, fitting that
symptoms associated with aspartame use be known as “Rumsfeld,s disease.”

Caption: The search of a suitable picture of Donald Rumsfeld turned up
this image from Portland Indy Media. Though it may seem satirical, is it?
What goes through the mind of a man who knowingly poisons his own people?

End of Article

Note from Betty Martini:

Only yesterday in national news we learned diet and low calorie pop will
be left in schools which will poison our children. As an example, Coke
Zero has aspartame. Aspartame is a chemical hypersensitization agent
because it is a neurotoxic drug/chemical poison. It not only interacts
with all drugs but all vaccines and other toxins and unsafe sweeteners
like Splenda, a chlorocarbon poison. So our children don’t have a chance.
Only a few weeks ago an epidemiological study by Sharon Fowler at the
University of Texas based on 8 years data links diet drinks with obesity.
Aspartame also can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic
retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve and interacts with
insulin.

In July a 3 year Italian study was released by the European Foundation for
Oncology and Environmental Sciences which revealed it causes leukemia,
lymphoma and malignant brain tumors. Their July 14 05 report declares:
“The results demonstrate … that aspartame is a carcinogenic agent.” How
many mothers knowing this would want their children drinking an addictive
carcinogenic agent. Aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol which causes
chronic methanol poisoning. This affects the dopamine system of the brain
and causes addiction. Now understand why the pop companies want this
poison in your schools which causes Rumsfeld Disease.

Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., one of the world’s leading
authorities on aspartame neurotoxicity, extensively reviewed the Soffritti
report. “This study confirmed the previous study by Dr. Trocho and
co-workers (l998), which also found the formaldehyde breakdown product of
aspartame to be damaging to cellular DNA and that this damage was
cumulative. The type of damage was a duplicate of that associated with
cancers. These two studies strongly indicate that drinking a single diet
cola sweetened with aspartame every day could significantly increase one’s
risk of developing a lymphoma or leukemia.”

Dr. Blaylock said further “This study should terrify mothers and all those
consuming aspartame sweetened products. This was a carefully done study
which clearly demonstrated a statistically significant increase in several
types of lymphomas and leukemias in rats. Both of these malignancies have
increased significantly in this country since the widespread use of
aspartame.”

Only the animals exposed to aspartame developed malignant brain tumors and
we are now taking aspartame brain tumor cases for litigation in New York,
New Jersey, Madison County,Illinois and Mississippi. Simply contact me at
Bettym19@mindspring.com

Dr. Blaylock also said “They found that even lower doses of aspartame
could cause these malignancies, yet the higher the dose, the more cancers
that were seen. Since aspartame can increase obesity and may even cause
the metabolic syndrome that affects 48 million Americans, there is no
reason to ever consume this product. At the least, it should be
immediately banned from all schools.”

Any mother reading this article with children in school should immediately
take this to their principal, children’s teacher and PTA along with the
movie, Sweet Misery, and demand that all products with aspartame
(NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful, E951/Canderel/Benevia, etc.) and especially
pop with this poison be removed – period, no if’s, no and’s and no but’s.
And Board of Educations should also remove the lobbyists and those who
would offer money to keep poisoned pop in schools. How much is the brain
of your child worth. Remember this is the cause of the epidemic of ADD,
ADHD, autism, Tourettes, and behavioral problems.

For documentation of this read the experts books:

Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic
H. J. Roberts, M.D.
www.sunsentpress.com
or 1 800 827 7991

Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills and Health & Nutrition Secrets
By neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.
www.russellblaylockmd.com

Web sites: http://www.wnho.net and http://www.dorway.com Aspartame
Toxicity Center, http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame

Aspartame Information List, http://www.wnho.net Get involved

Rumsfeld Disease may become one of the largest plagues in world history.
The list of horrors is unending. Thanks to despicable and greedy Big
Pharma/Codex, in England supplements from industry now contain aspartame.
Diane Fleming still remains in a prison in Virginia because methanol was
found on her husband’s autopsy and they thought she poisoned him even
though she passed their lie detector test. Doctors affidavits state he
died from aspartame which causes methanol poisoning. Athletes like Fleming
are dying because aspartame damages the cardiac conduction system and
causes sudden death, although his was not sudden.

Enough is enough. Eradicate Rumsfeld Disease from our schools and from our
planet.

Don Harkins of the Idaho Observer has given permission to have this
republished. To help the effort the Idaho Observer –
www.idaho-observer.com publishes 24 page booklets for distribution on
Rumsfeld Disease called the Artificially Sweetened Times. Distribute them
throughout your schools, offices and churches to help eradicate Rumsfeld
Disease. And if you think the pop companies didn’t know the gum was loaded
be sure to read the protest of the National Soft Drink Assn. on
www.dorway.com

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway,
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770 242-2599

Idaho Observer
Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
Phone 208-255-2307
Email observer@coldreams.com
Web http://idaho-observer.com

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 22, 2005 at 4:36:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME…LOOKED AT THEM AGAIN, THEY SUCK.
KOKO THE KENAI KLOWN
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

I finally got a look at the pix – very nice.

us poor folk dont have no high falutein power Point soft warez

Maybe openoffice.org has something that’ll do it?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:31:49 -0700 BarrStb@aol.com wrote:
well i did OK on the downstroke but not so good on the up, maybe
you could
describe the cool photos? cause us poor folk dont have no high
falutein power
Point soft warez ,damn really 7000 in loop 4mb * 7000bigger then
library O
congress? heres my two cent (google earth) look up and down load ,

a 5year old
boy told about it, FREE ,twenty years ago only the pentagon would
of had it
and  im sure the price tag would o been $$$$$$$ what is that thing

2+2=4&4+4=8&8+8= time flys when your havin fun

Rerun

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 22, 2005 at 4:34:59 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I TOLD MY HACKER BUDDY ABOUT THE PROBLEMS.  HE SWORE HE’D NEVER GET ME ANYTHING FREE AGAIN UNLESS HE CAN GET IT FOR THE LIST.  BEST I CAN DO.  CUTTIN THE OLE BOX OFF TONIGHT. HOPE EVERYONE SLEEPZ BETTER. KOKO, THE AGGRIEVED KLOWN, WALLERIN IN SELF PITY
—– Original Message —–
From: BarrStb@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

well i did OK on the downstroke but not so good on the up, maybe you could describe the cool photos? cause us poor folk dont have no high falutein power Point soft warez ,damn really 7000 in loop 4mb * 7000bigger then library O congress? heres my two cent (google earth) look up and down load , a 5year old boy told about it, FREE ,twenty years ago only the pentagon would of had it and im sure the price tag would o been $$$$$$$ what is that thing 2+2=4&4+4=8&8+8= time flys when your havin fun

Rerun

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron
Date: August 22, 2005 at 4:25:59 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

KIND WORDS MI AMIGO
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron

Ron,
Don’t take the grumpy to heart- my box doesn’t need the big attachments either- so I NEVER open them.
Unless I know they’re on the way.
So nothing you ever post as an attachment bothers me personally in the slightest. Perhaps my box works differently, but it doesn’t seem to cause me much stress at all, any of your attachments.
New friend and all, I think I can personaly let you slide, as frreaked out and grouchy at myself as I’ve been lately (what’s with this cycle? Anyone got a clue why I go up and down so high and so hard? I can be so up one day, and so down later the same day, on extreme slides. “Stop beating up on myself.” Yes, I like that one, but it’s hard not to always come back to, “well, if you’re really sick and tired, why keep going through it over and over?” (This goes for smoking cigs too btw, not just opiates use and sometimes abuse.).
Anyway, carry on all. I’ve been taking a short break from the computer, going on line very briefly and staying offline for the most part- I need(ed) a break. Still do somewhat. I’ve been writing a story out long-hand in a notebook- it’s kinda like painting compared to typing I’m finding, much more tactile work. Not that this has much of anything to do with ibogaine, but I coudl use some, so perhaps that ties this in to the list topic.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try, to get outside that box they are all trapped in.  the minutia will and does kill me a little each day.  now i think the forum is bigger than the gig(unless i lose the gig) so i’ll keep trying to keep the unknown players happy.  Macs on the house, my tab..Koko…I’m just a Klown guys and we don’t make much, the occasional county faire, an impromptu shopping center carnival, and yes, i have to sit in on the ball throw where the snotty little buggers try to drop me in the cold water.  easy money you say?  guess again special ones.  KOKO From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Ron, you think you got problems?  You unwittingly send ONE big attachment… everytime anyone posts (I think.. Not sure.most people just hassle Patrick, a thousand apologies Patrick :o( I’m still working on it.. found a website for concept and send every error message to every email address there) they get the ‘cptkirk mailbox is full that don’t make me feel too good.. So I think you can forgive yourself but perhaps a 100 back whippings on yourself (cos for the life of me I can’t think of the word for that) might make it easier!  And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you have atoned for your “sin”.
Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!
Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error message.. trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.
Kirk

From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?  SHOULD’VE ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 22, 2005 at 4:22:55 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ok , like you look at these pictures and they are really cool and they have some really neat stuff on them and you have to stand in line for them.  like george bush is really po’d cuz he doesn’t have the shit either and he promised to make life really hard for me til i make sure everyone has power point so i pawned my ford taurus and am going to send rebate checks around and make this so right cuz it was like so  bad and so Republican. i’m going to counseling first thing in the morning but wait, cuz  i can, cuz that would be so uncool cuz like so many can’t afford to.  it’s got like some guys in jets and there’s some really cool starz and no one would like believe it anyway becuz  it was like so wrong like where was my brain?  i mean like what wuz i thinking about? like i have shit for brains  too and was just showin off like debating over the whole ibo thing and all the tripz i’ve been on and braggin about Bwiti and how i know the cat personally cuz we partied together 200 yearz ago. man i was sooooo wrong . it’z like i started an AA/NA resentment and i’ll clean the coffee cupz and ashtrayz til everybody likes me again or not. man i was so wrongz bout trying to share this thing and make people feel good and then ‘pologizin’ bout it.  so shallow, couldn’t have really meant it. wish i was were everyone else is so i could see how bad it all is.   SORRY GANG, I KNOW SQUAT ‘BOUT COMPUTERZ, SORRY ABOUT RUININ’ YOUR WEEKEND FOR THE 100TH TIME. CHEW ON IT LIKE ME OLD PIT BULL CHEWZ ON HIS TIRE SWINGIN ON HIS ROPE FROM THE THE TREE IN THE BACK YARD OR DROP IT  WITH MY HEARFELT APOLOGY, DRUM ME OUT OF THE CORP. IT WAS A MISTAKE, CRUCIFY ME IF YOU WANT…I’M A BAD KLOWN OR LET IT GO FROM YOUR HIGHLY EVOLVED IBO STATE THAT HAS THROWN YOU ON THIS SPIRITUAL PLANE THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF COMMON THINGS LIKE FORGIVENESS AND ALL THAT OTHER NONSENSE.  I’M SURE ONE OF YOU WHIZ KIDZ  HAS THE WHERWITH ALL TO BOOT ME SO DO IT AND BE DONE WITH IT. OH, I GOT POWER POINT FROM A HACKER FRIEND WHO DOWNLOADED IT FOR FREE.DON’T ASK ME HOW HE DID IT CUZ I DON’T KNOW. MAYBE HE CAN DO IT FOR THE WHOLE LIST. KOKO
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

I finally got a look at the pix – very nice.

us poor folk dont have no high falutein power Point soft warez

Maybe openoffice.org has something that’ll do it?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:31:49 -0700 BarrStb@aol.com wrote:
well i did OK on the downstroke but not so good on the up, maybe
you could
describe the cool photos? cause us poor folk dont have no high
falutein power
Point soft warez ,damn really 7000 in loop 4mb * 7000bigger then
library O
congress? heres my two cent (google earth) look up and down load ,

a 5year old
boy told about it, FREE ,twenty years ago only the pentagon would
of had it
and  im sure the price tag would o been $$$$$$$ what is that thing

2+2=4&4+4=8&8+8= time flys when your havin fun

Rerun

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] attachments from Ron
Date: August 22, 2005 at 12:07:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,
Don’t take the grumpy to heart- my box doesn’t need the big attachments either- so I NEVER open them.
Unless I know they’re on the way.
So nothing you ever post as an attachment bothers me personally in the slightest. Perhaps my box works differently, but it doesn’t seem to cause me much stress at all, any of your attachments.
New friend and all, I think I can personaly let you slide, as frreaked out and grouchy at myself as I’ve been lately (what’s with this cycle? Anyone got a clue why I go up and down so high and so hard? I can be so up one day, and so down later the same day, on extreme slides. “Stop beating up on myself.” Yes, I like that one, but it’s hard not to always come back to, “well, if you’re really sick and tired, why keep going through it over and over?” (This goes for smoking cigs too btw, not just opiates use and sometimes abuse.).
Anyway, carry on all. I’ve been taking a short break from the computer, going on line very briefly and staying offline for the most part- I need(ed) a break. Still do somewhat. I’ve been writing a story out long-hand in a notebook- it’s kinda like painting compared to typing I’m finding, much more tactile work. Not that this has much of anything to do with ibogaine, but I coudl use some, so perhaps that ties this in to the list topic.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try, to get outside that box they are all trapped in.  the minutia will and does kill me a little each day.  now i think the forum is bigger than the gig(unless i lose the gig) so i’ll keep trying to keep the unknown players happy.  Macs on the house, my tab..Koko…I’m just a Klown guys and we don’t make much, the occasional county faire, an impromptu shopping center carnival, and yes, i have to sit in on the ball throw where the snotty little buggers try to drop me in the cold water.  easy money you say?  guess again special ones.  KOKO From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Ron, you think you got problems?  You unwittingly send ONE big attachment… everytime anyone posts (I think.. Not sure.most people just hassle Patrick, a thousand apologies Patrick :o( I’m still working on it.. found a website for concept and send every error message to every email address there) they get the ‘cptkirk mailbox is full that don’t make me feel too good.. So I think you can forgive yourself but perhaps a 100 back whippings on yourself (cos for the life of me I can’t think of the word for that) might make it easier!  And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you have atoned for your “sin”.
Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!
Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error message.. trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.
Kirk

From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?  SHOULD’VE ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 21, 2005 at 10:50:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, could I make a suggestion…..get another mailbox?
I guess I can’t relate cos I’ve never had this problem..
Oh darn I posted again
Stopping now..
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 10:39 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Paying attention to what follows is hard when the mailbox stops
with “250% full” at the one big message. Probably I can find what I
missed somewhere on mindvox. I can’t apologise enough for being
annoyed 🙂

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:11:41 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you
have atoned
for your “sin”.

Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!

Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error
message..
trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.

Kirk

_____

From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?
SHOULD’VE
ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 8:57:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I finally got a look at the pix – very nice.

us poor folk dont have no high falutein power Point soft warez

Maybe openoffice.org has something that’ll do it?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:31:49 -0700 BarrStb@aol.com wrote:
well i did OK on the downstroke but not so good on the up, maybe
you could
describe the cool photos? cause us poor folk dont have no high
falutein power
Point soft warez ,damn really 7000 in loop 4mb * 7000bigger then
library O
congress? heres my two cent (google earth) look up and down load ,

a 5year old
boy told about it, FREE ,twenty years ago only the pentagon would
of had it
and  im sure the price tag would o been $$$$$$$ what is that thing

2+2=4&4+4=8&8+8= time flys when your havin fun

Rerun

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From: BarrStb@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 8:31:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

well i did OK on the downstroke but not so good on the up, maybe you could describe the cool photos? cause us poor folk dont have no high falutein power Point soft warez ,damn really 7000 in loop 4mb * 7000bigger then library O congress? heres my two cent (google earth) look up and down load , a 5year old boy told about it, FREE ,twenty years ago only the pentagon would of had it and im sure the price tag would o been $$$$$$$ what is that thing 2+2=4&4+4=8&8+8= time flys when your havin fun

Rerun

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 21, 2005 at 6:38:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paying attention to what follows is hard when the mailbox stops
with “250% full” at the one big message. Probably I can find what I
missed somewhere on mindvox. I can’t apologise enough for being
annoyed 🙂

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:11:41 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you
have atoned
for your “sin”.

Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!

Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error
message..
trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.

Kirk

_____

From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?
SHOULD’VE
ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 21, 2005 at 6:26:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks me Cap’n.  this freakin’ forum sounds like where I work….. a bunch of
pussies for a bearucaracy that can’t , no matter how freakin hard they try, to get outside that box they are all trapped in.  the minutia will and does kill me a little each day.  now i think the forum is bigger than the gig(unless i lose the gig) so i’ll keep trying to keep the unknown players happy.  Macs on the house, my tab..Koko…I’m just a Klown guys and we don’t make much, the occasional county faire, an impromptu shopping center carnival, and yes, i have to sit in on the ball throw where the snotty little buggers try to drop me in the cold water.  easy money you say?  guess again special ones.  KOKO                                                 From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

Ron, you think you got problems?  You unwittingly send ONE big attachment….. everytime anyone posts (I think…. Not sure…most people just hassle Patrick, a thousand apologies Patrick :o( I’m still working on it.. found a website for concept and send every error message to every email address there) they get the ‘cptkirk mailbox is full that don’t make me feel too good…. So I think you can forgive yourself but perhaps a 100 back whippings on yourself (cos for the life of me I can’t think of the word for that) might make it easier!  And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you have atoned for your “sin”.
Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!
Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error message.. trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.
Kirk
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?  SHOULD’VE ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 21, 2005 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, you think you got problems?  You unwittingly send ONE big attachment….. everytime anyone posts (I think…. Not sure…most people just hassle Patrick, a thousand apologies Patrick :o( I’m still working on it.. found a website for concept and send every error message to every email address there) they get the ‘cptkirk mailbox is full that don’t make me feel too good…. So I think you can forgive yourself but perhaps a 100 back whippings on yourself (cos for the life of me I can’t think of the word for that) might make it easier!  And if people paid attention they’d have seen that you have atoned for your “sin”.
Ok people? HE SAID HE’S SORRYYYYY!!!
Lol good glad we got that sorted. Sorry for the db mail error message.. trying very very hard not to post til I get it sorted.
Kirk
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 9:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?  SHOULD’VE ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] SLOWONE
Date: August 21, 2005 at 5:26:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

DOES THAT INCLUDE SMALL ONES AS WELL TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE?  SHOULD’VE ASKED IN 1ST RESPONSE, KOKO

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 5:05:31 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My bad for the 1000th time.  would never intentionally  screw with your expensive investment. can i have a pass on ignorance cuz that all it was? if not, the loggrollers can extricate me from forum and all will be safe again.  sorry for the flare up.  koko.  been doing hail mary’s all day , hope one takes. very sorry for the inconvenience.  going to court sick tomorrow….will that  be retribution enough or do you want more?  again, very sorry, i’ll stick to plain vanilla in the future if they keep me on.. koko
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

Please don’t fill my mailbox with big attachments.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:55:36 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
—– Original Message —– From:
To:  7:42 PM
Subject: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 12:57:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please don’t fill my mailbox with big attachments.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:55:36 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:  7:42 PM
Subject: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

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From: RowdyRandy420@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Congrats Sjonny!
Date: August 21, 2005 at 7:25:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sjonny, just curious, how much do you weigh and what kind of vitamins and supplements did you take in the days leading up to your treatment? By the way, congrats on what seems to have been a good experience for you! Good luck, Stay Strong!
Randy

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 6:10:39 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,
I got the photos just fine, in my Ya-bleedin’-who account, no jamming no
crashin’, don’t know what all the fuss is about really….so don’t worry too
much…
All I can suggest is perhaps looking into and learning about a photo editing
program? Photo shop is on the net for free and although I haven’t used it
much cos I got a good one wot comed wif dis puter….my mate reckons it’s
easy to use, then you can shrink photos to much more acceptable sizes! Then
you buy a digi camera and have heaps of fun with it! (ps we DO expect a
photo of you btw hehehh we wanna see the Klown in person!!! We also expect
large floppy shoes and a very bright orange wig!!)
Anyway…thanks for the pics….very well worth sharing much appreciated
fank u muchly Mr Klown :o)
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2005 6:27 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

V
I hope the 7k plus members view the jamming of their mailboxes and related
problems as being caused by a neophyte with no malevolent intentions, quiet
frankly, i don’t know what the hell i did, i was just trying to be a good
Klown and share something I found  invigorating with the rest of the group.
mea culpa, mea culpa… and i represent people in terrible predicaments,
Christ! I see why they didn’t let me into med school besides being poor at
accounting.  I’m very sorry folks for any inconvenience.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

You know you just sent a 4MB attachment to something like 7,000 people
and crashed a lot of their mailboxes. You might want to include the url
instead of spamming mailboxes with huge powerpoint files 😉

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:  7:42 PM
Subject: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 3:04:34 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my pleasure. hope no hassel for you in the end, Koko, the benevolent
—– Original Message —– From: <darkmattersfo@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

How Beautiful!! Thanks for sharing.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 21, 2005 at 2:27:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

V
I hope the 7k plus members view the jamming of their mailboxes and related problems as being caused by a neophyte with no malevolent intentions, quiet frankly, i don’t know what the hell i did, i was just trying to be a good Klown and share something I found  invigorating with the rest of the group. mea culpa, mea culpa… and i represent people in terrible predicaments, Christ! I see why they didn’t let me into med school besides being poor at accounting.  I’m very sorry folks for any inconvenience.    —– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

You know you just sent a 4MB attachment to something like 7,000 people
and crashed a lot of their mailboxes. You might want to include the url
instead of spamming mailboxes with huge powerpoint files 😉

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
—– Original Message —– From:
To:  7:42 PM
Subject: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Who really are the terrorist????????
Date: August 21, 2005 at 12:17:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Chris HT” <chris@huycom.com>
To: “Chris Ht” <chris@huycom.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:52 AM
Subject: Who really are the terrorist????????

Hi everyone,

I must appologise for my impulsive need to share information, but I am now questioning the credibility of the story below.  I can’t discredit it, but I did a search for other sources for the facts of this story and kept ending up at the same source.  I don’t know much about the originators of this Stewwebb WEB site.  If it is a prank then it is very sick for these current times of uncertainty.  So consider this one with caution, I wouldn’t discard it entirely as I have no other news to the contrary. Appologies for any distress if I caused any.

Kind regards
Jasen
=====================================================================

From: Stew Webb <stewwebb@stewwebb.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:46:26 -0500 (CDT)
To: <administrator@cqfreestate.com>
Subject: fyi new

www.stewwebb.com

Official Press Release

Tuesday July 19, 2005 3:30:PM Central Time

Tony Blair’s MI-6 Agents Caught Trying To Blow Up Chicago Subway:

To Derail US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald’s Grand Jury Investigations of
Bush-Blair White House Leaks
By Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb Federal Whistleblowers

Heneghan-Webb Presidential & Vice Presidential Candidates 2004

VIVA’ LA FRANCE:

French Intelligence and The U.S. Marshall Service Monday night July 18,
2005 caught four of Tony Blair’s British MI-6 Agents trying to bomb the
Chicago Subway system. The four were charged in Federal Court today with
explosives.
Chicago US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald served Tony Blair a subpoena in the
CIA Valerie Plame case on July 13, 2005 to answer questions regarding his
role in the leaks connected to George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Condi Rice,
Andrew Card, Scooter Libby and Karl Rove. Tony Blair has not yet responded
to his subpoena. George W. Bush has not responded to his subpoena either.
Tony Blair had supplied George W. Bush with falsified British Intelligence
stating that Iraq leader Saddum Hussein had obtained “Yellow Cake” Nuclear
materials from Nigeria. This was the reason Bush gave to start the war in
Iraq. This has all now been proven to be lies by Bush and Blair. CIA
Valerie Plame’s husband Ambassador Joseph Wilson submitted his report prior
to the Bush-Blair lies that Nigeria never sold yellow cake to Iraq. Wilson
came forth stating Bush lied in his State of the Union address to the
nation. Valerie Plame’s CIA Network was further investigating Bush &
Cheney’s orchestrated attack on America on 9-11-2001. New York Police
Bernard Kerik who ran a FEMA operation out of pier 29 known as Code Angel
also known as Tripod II planted the bombs on the 7 World Trade Center
Building that were demolished on 9-11-2001. This operation was a US Justice
Department operation involving Gary Best of Defense Intelligence Agency a
George H. W. Bush Shadow Government Crony who is currently in Prison in the
French Guinea for espionage against the French Government.  Best has
admitted to French Authorities of his 9-11 involvements. As I am writing
this press release two more British MI-6 agents were arrested a few minutes
ago details are forthcoming.
Also today British Stooge MI-6 Agent Linda Fanton Pike of Iowa tied to
Hillary Rodenhurst Clinton, today made death threats against a
Investigative Journalist on behalf of Department of Defense agency
operatives under Criminal Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The Journalist was
told to stay away from Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb.
Federal Whistleblower Mary Schneider www.maryschneider.us gets bogus
mocking email from a 9-11 connected p-tech software company (Mitre) that
was used to over ride the Pentagon computers on 9-11-2005
Federal Whistleblower Tom Heneghan’s tires were stolen off his car today in
broad daylight, by Bush Goons.
Bush & Blair obviously are trying to cause a Terrorist attack in America to
derail the Federal Grand Jury Investigations of their roles of the Plame
leaks which is violations of National Security Laws and their War Crimes
against Sovereign Nation Iraq with intentional falsified reports. Their
further Treason Attacks on America involve Rouge CIA, DIA, British MI-6,
Russian and Mossad agents who were also involved in the 9-11-2001 World
Trade Center Attack and Pentagon attacks.
More to come, stay tuned.

Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb

www.stewwebb.com

_________________________________________________________

www.stewwebb.com

Official Press Release

Tuesday July 13, 2005 8:PM

Tony Blair Served With Subpoena by US Embassy Official

in Valerie Plame Case

By Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb Federal Whistleblowers

Heneghan-Webb Presidential & Vice Presidential Candidates 2004

Today England’s Prime Minister Tony Blair was served a subpoena by US
Embassy Officials in London, to answer questions in the Deaths of CIA
Valerie Plame Agents Network & 1700 American Soldiers who have died in the
Iraq War. Chicago’s US Attorney and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald
had the Subpoena served.
Will Tony Blair now run for cover or stand up like a man and answer Mr.
Fitzgerald’s questions before a US Federal Grand Jury?
George W. Bush has refused and avoided his Grand Jury Subpoena.

More to come, stay tuned to www.stewwebb.com US Intel Breaking News

____________________________________________________________

www.stewwebb.com

Official Press Release

Tuesday July 12, 2005 2:PM

Tony Blair Wanted

For the Deaths of CIA Valerie Plame Agents Network & 1700 American
Soldiers.

By Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb Federal Whistleblowers

Heneghan-Webb Presidential & Vice Presidential Candidates 2004

Tony Blair has been Subpoenaed by Chicago US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.

Blair is claiming Diplomatic Immunity.

US Attorney Fitzgerald readied extradition request.

More Details Coming, stay tuned www.stewwebb.com

Stew Webb & Tom Heneghan

stewwebb@stewwebb.com

stewwebb@sierranv.net

816 478-3267

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Official Press Release

July 7, 2005 6:00 AM Central Time

London Terrorist Attack Bush and Blair the Culprits

PE-2 ELEMENTS OF TEAM IRAQ ATTACK LONDON TODAY

By Tom Heneghan & Stew Webb Federal Whistleblowers

Presidential & Vice Presidential Candidates 2004

The attacks on London were orchestrated by Bush & Blair using PE-2 Elements
of Team Iraq and have been identified by the American French Alliance.
Team Iraq was secretly setup to do insurgency attacks in Iraq by Bush,
Blair and Answar Bin Shari of Israel to further the Iraq War Machine into
Iran and Saudi Arabia for personal gain, and control of the World Oil
Reserves for their own personal benefits.
PE-2 Consists of Rogue British MI-5, Mossad and US Pentagon Secret Teams
under Bush, Blair and Shari’s Control.
PE-2 also known as Propaganda Dewey was set up by George H. W. Bush when he
was Vice President under President Ronald Reagan. After Iran Contra was
exposed Bush set up PE-2-Propaganda Dewey. This the Bush CIA Shadow
Government within the US Government that is behind the Terrorist attack on
America 9-11 WTC and the Oklahoma City Bombing Shadow Government Players.
PE-2 is the Bush Illegal Dirty Illegal Shadow Government within the
Government.
This attack in London today upon innocent British People was for their own
Satanic Political Agenda.
Expect possible more attacks by Bush, Blair and Shari’s PE-2 Terrorist
Rouges in England, Israel and the USA.
This is all to undermine Chicago U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald’s
investigations of Bush and Cheney’s leaks of CIA Valerie Plame, Ambassador
Joseph Wilson wife’s CIA Team investigating Bushes and Cheney’s
involvements into the orchestrated 9-11 attacks on America.
Plame’s CIA network was compromised and many were killed as a result of The
White House Bush-Cheney leaks in violations of National Security Laws and
murder of U.S. CIA Federal Agents.
Judith Miller, a Mossad Stooge, was jailed for her involvement in the leaks
of the CIA Plame investigations which violated National Security laws and
the murder of many CIA agents. Miller was not protecting Whistleblower
sources but was in fact part of the Bush espionage plot to stop the Plame
team from uncovering Bush Cheney’s plotted, planned and orchestrated  9-11
attack upon America on September 11, 2001 which is Treason.
Judith Miller stated in the Courtroom July 6, 2005 when asked if she was
ready to reveal her source stated: “I cannot take the risk. It is to grave,
this Government is too powerful.”
US District Judge Lefko of Chicago who’s Husband and Mother were murdered
several months ago issued the order for Judith Miller and Matt Cooper to
turn over their notes regarding their sources. Claiming this was not a
First Amendment Right but was in Violation of US National Security Laws
because of the murders of several CIA Agents.  Miller and Cooper appealed
and July 6, 2005 Miller went to jail.  Judge Lefko’s Family was murdered by
2 FBI Division 5 Agents, who left cigarette butts of an FBI
Informant-stooge on the crime scene with the informants DNA, the informant
was murdered by the 2-FBI Agents.
Matt Cooper is now Obstructing Justice by claiming The White House Bush
Brain Karl Rove was his source. This is additional Obstruction Of Justice.
Congressman Conyors in a June 2005 Congressional hearing called for
Impeachment hearing to proceed in July 2005 against George W. Bush after
testimony by Ambassador Joseph Wilson and CIA Analyst Ray McGovern.
Sources says Conyors now has 130 plus Congressman ready Impeach The White
House Occu-punk George W. Bush.
PE-2 Terrorist Cell Fox News reported MI-5 British agents warned Israeli
Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to remain in his hotel room 30 minutes
prior to the London attacks.
Intelligence sources have revealed Michael Shipton, MI-5 British Agent, is
tied to the London Terrorist attack, Grab Him.
The Signal man walked with a clipboard in his hand down the street, there
are enough cameras to identify this terrorist.
Expect possible attacks in America by this PE-2 Bush-Blair-Shari terrorist
teams in order to further their Martial Law agenda over the coming weeks.
Bush will keep pushing for more support of his war machine expansions into
Iran and Saudi Arabian for Oil Fields for his families personal gain, with
possible attacks on United States Soil.
Crisis Creation, Crisis Solution for Crisis Control. Further remember
Adolph Hitler’s Mein Kemp strategy of evil.
Fear, Fear, Fear. False Evidence that Appears Real.  George W. Bush save us
from your created Big Bad Boogie Man Terrorist Al Qaeda.
American Militias and Patriots be prepared to defend America. Bush intends
on declaring Martial Law to avoid his coming Indictments, Impeachment and
his going to Jail for Treason and murder for his terrorist attacks on
9-11-2001. This has now been investigated and proven by U.S. Intelligence
agents and others.
America’s enemy has been identified as Bush-Cheney.

End.

Tom Heneghan

and

Stew Webb

www.stewwebb.com

stewwebb@stewwebb.com

stewwebb@sierranv.net

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From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT artificial sweetener
Date: August 20, 2005 at 9:07:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks heaps for this Sara, I’ve felt for years that
this stuff is evil, but couldn’t find much concrete
evidence to back up the allegation.  this seems more
credible.  It was even mentioned on a Hoax website..
that i thought was impartial, that it wasn’t proved to
be nasty.  Well I’ll  be forwarding this to all I know
that’s for sure.
If I could draw cartoons, I would make one with a
person in hospital with lovely teeth from “sugar free
gum” whilst undergoing radiation therapy for a brain
tumour.
WTF. Force feed this stuff to Donald whilst he is kept
in a public stockade, so we can also throw stuff at
him.  Perhaps a large dose of Ibogaine?
KIrk

— sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:

Aspartame – Rumsfeld’s Bioweapon Legacy

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible Intl
8-20-5

Before reading this article everyone should hear
James Turner, Atty,
explain how Don Rumsfeld called in his markers to
get aspartame, a deadly
chemical poison approved when the FDA said no:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages.Rumsfeld2.html The
entire film can be
gotten at http://www.docworkers.com

Among the many ironies of our modern world is that
Gerald Ford awarded the
Presidential Medal of Freedom-America,s highest
civilian honor-to Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on January 19, 1977. Just
a few weeks later on
March 8, Rumsfeld became the CEO of G.D. Searle to
take point on a mission
to force the Food and Drug Administration to approve
for human consumption
a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.

Mission accomplished: Today some 9,000 commonly
consumed products are
laced with this weapon of mass misery and millions
of people live with
chronic illnesses linked to the artificial sweetener
aspartame. It is our
belief at The Idaho Observer that if some guy named
Parkinson can have a
disease named after him, then Donald Rumsfeld ought
to have his own
disease, too. Hence the term Rumsfeld disease A.

Rumsfeld’s Disease

A Politically-Induced Biochemical
Disaster Of Global Proportions

By Don Harkins
The Idaho Observer
8-15-5

Today, Donald Rumsfeld is known throughout the world
as the zealous U.S.
Secretary of Defense who is waging a global “war on
terror” in search of
“terrorists” and “weapons of mass destruction.” Most
people, however, are
not aware that Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical
weapon of mass
destruction upon the world in 1981-and it,s still
out there destroying
people all over the world. That “WMD” is aspartame
and it has been
scientifically and anecdotally linked to millions of
chronic illnesses and
deaths.

The evidence shows that, with full knowledge of
aspartame,s neurotoxicity
and carcinogenicity, Rumsfeld, as the CEO of G.D.
Searle, Co., “called in
his markers” to achieve U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) approval
for the artificial sweetener aspartame, better known
by its trade name
“NutraSweet.”

Consumer advocate attorney Jim Turner, who was
instrumental in the 1969
banning of cyclamate in the U.S. for its link to
various forms of cancer,
met with representatives of aspartame approval
petitioner Searle in 1974.
The main topic of discussion was neuroscientist Dr.
John Olney,s 1971
study which showed that aspartic acid caused lesions
in the brains of
infant mice. According to Turner, arguably the
world,s foremost authority
on aspartame,s dubious legal history, Rumsfeld was
apparently hired by
Searle for one specific purpose: To obtain FDA
approval for aspartame.

Betty Martini is the director of Mission Possible, a
worldwide consumer
advocacy organization formed in 1992 as a voice for
those demanding that
the FDA reverse its approval of aspartame and order
its removal from
foods, beverages and medical preparations. Martini
is even more bold in
her charges against Rumsfeld. Martini believes the
Washington insider,
former three-term U.S. Rep. From Illinois
(1962-1968), secretary of
defense (1975-1977) and executive assistant to
President Gerald Ford, was
hired by Searle because, “He was willing to get a
deadly chemical poison,
aspartame, approved for human consumption”

Background

In December, 1965 Searle chemist James Schlatter
discovered aspartame
while working on an ulcer drug. The substance,
comprised of 50 percent
synthetic phenylalanine, 40 percent synthetic
aspartic acid and 10 percent
methanol, was about 200 times sweeter than sugar by
weight and had no
calories. By spring, 1967, Searle began conducting
safety trials in
preparation for petitioning the FDA for product
approval.

Soon after the trials began, lab animals (monkeys
and mice) began
experiencing adverse effects ranging from brain
lesions and tumors to
seizures and death. Yet Searle petitioned the FDA
for aspartame approval
in February, 1973. According to Turner, Searle
provided the FDA with over
100 studies claiming they proved aspartame was
“safe.” Independent
analyses of these studies, however, proves
conclusively that aspartame is
actually a dangerous, neurotoxic, carcinogenic and
highly-addictive drug.

Trusting Searle,s promise that aspartame was safe,
the FDA approved the
limited use of aspartame in dry goods on July 26,
1974. Turner and Dr.
Olney formally objected to the approval. Their
petition triggered an FDA
investigation of Searle,s lab practices which proved
that Searle had
provided the FDA with inaccurate conclusions
resulting from manipulated
data derived from poorly-designed studies. The FDA
reversed its decision
to approve aspartame in dry goods.

On January 10, 1977, the FDA formally requested that
the U.S. Department
of Justice convene a federal grand jury to determine
if Searle should be
criminally indicted for “concealing material facts
and making false
statements” with regard to its petition for
aspartame approval.

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about
Searle,s shoddy lab
practices was how rats that developed tumors would
undergo surgical
removal of the tumors and then be placed back into
the study as if nothing
had happened to them.

The grand jury investigation was led by U.S.
Attorney Samuel Skinner. In
July 1, 1977, while the investigation was being
conducted, Skinner left
the Justice Department and took a job with Sidley &
Austin-the law firm
representing Searle. The statute of limitations
eventually ran out and the
grand jury disbanded without reaching any
conclusions regarding Searle and
its lab practices.

Amid this controversy, Rumsfeld was hired as Searle
CEO on March 8, 1977
and immediately began cleaning house. Rumsfeld, who
had no previous
business executive experience before becoming CEO of
Searle, reorganized
several departments in the company and fired many of
its high-level
managers, replacing them with other
politically-connected Washington,
D.C., insiders.

Though the controversies deepened and the evidence
proving the poisonous
nature of his company,s product continued to
accumulate, Rumsfeld and his
team continued to push for FDA approval of
aspartame.

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Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 20, 2005 at 8:34:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Date: 2005/08/20 Sat PM 05:10:48 EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw:  Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

You know you just sent a 4MB attachment to something like 7,000 people
and crashed a lot of their mailboxes. You might want to include the url
instead of spamming mailboxes with huge powerpoint files 😉

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 20, 2005 at 5:10:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You know you just sent a 4MB attachment to something like 7,000 people
and crashed a lot of their mailboxes. You might want to include the url
instead of spamming mailboxes with huge powerpoint files 😉

.:vector:.

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
—– Original Message —–
From:
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Subject: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:58:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How Beautiful!! Thanks for sharing.

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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Great photos of the Shuttle launch pad, etc
Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:10:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

OK TO OPEN..SAW IT IN A DREAM,  KOKO
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Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:58:17 PM EDT
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Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:10:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

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Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:58:10 PM EDT
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Date: August 20, 2005 at 4:10:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

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Date: August 20, 2005 at 3:55:36 PM EDT
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Date: August 20, 2005 at 1:21:54 PM EDT
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wounderful news for many,may i ask ever since ? some unit of time maybe.
love light truth , Rerun

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT artificial sweetener
Date: August 20, 2005 at 7:52:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aspartame – Rumsfeld’s Bioweapon Legacy

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible Intl
8-20-5

Before reading this article everyone should hear James Turner, Atty,
explain how Don Rumsfeld called in his markers to get aspartame, a deadly
chemical poison approved when the FDA said no:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages.Rumsfeld2.html The entire film can be
gotten at http://www.docworkers.com

Among the many ironies of our modern world is that Gerald Ford awarded the
Presidential Medal of Freedom-America,s highest civilian honor-to Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on January 19, 1977. Just a few weeks later on
March 8, Rumsfeld became the CEO of G.D. Searle to take point on a mission
to force the Food and Drug Administration to approve for human consumption
a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.

Mission accomplished: Today some 9,000 commonly consumed products are
laced with this weapon of mass misery and millions of people live with
chronic illnesses linked to the artificial sweetener aspartame. It is our
belief at The Idaho Observer that if some guy named Parkinson can have a
disease named after him, then Donald Rumsfeld ought to have his own
disease, too. Hence the term Rumsfeld disease A.

Rumsfeld’s Disease

A Politically-Induced Biochemical
Disaster Of Global Proportions

By Don Harkins
The Idaho Observer
8-15-5

Today, Donald Rumsfeld is known throughout the world as the zealous U.S.
Secretary of Defense who is waging a global “war on terror” in search of
“terrorists” and “weapons of mass destruction.” Most people, however, are
not aware that Rumsfeld himself unleashed a chemical weapon of mass
destruction upon the world in 1981-and it,s still out there destroying
people all over the world. That “WMD” is aspartame and it has been
scientifically and anecdotally linked to millions of chronic illnesses and
deaths.

The evidence shows that, with full knowledge of aspartame,s neurotoxicity
and carcinogenicity, Rumsfeld, as the CEO of G.D. Searle, Co., “called in
his markers” to achieve U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval
for the artificial sweetener aspartame, better known by its trade name
“NutraSweet.”

Consumer advocate attorney Jim Turner, who was instrumental in the 1969
banning of cyclamate in the U.S. for its link to various forms of cancer,
met with representatives of aspartame approval petitioner Searle in 1974.
The main topic of discussion was neuroscientist Dr. John Olney,s 1971
study which showed that aspartic acid caused lesions in the brains of
infant mice. According to Turner, arguably the world,s foremost authority
on aspartame,s dubious legal history, Rumsfeld was apparently hired by
Searle for one specific purpose: To obtain FDA approval for aspartame.

Betty Martini is the director of Mission Possible, a worldwide consumer
advocacy organization formed in 1992 as a voice for those demanding that
the FDA reverse its approval of aspartame and order its removal from
foods, beverages and medical preparations. Martini is even more bold in
her charges against Rumsfeld. Martini believes the Washington insider,
former three-term U.S. Rep. From Illinois (1962-1968), secretary of
defense (1975-1977) and executive assistant to President Gerald Ford, was
hired by Searle because, “He was willing to get a deadly chemical poison,
aspartame, approved for human consumption”

Background

In December, 1965 Searle chemist James Schlatter discovered aspartame
while working on an ulcer drug. The substance, comprised of 50 percent
synthetic phenylalanine, 40 percent synthetic aspartic acid and 10 percent
methanol, was about 200 times sweeter than sugar by weight and had no
calories. By spring, 1967, Searle began conducting safety trials in
preparation for petitioning the FDA for product approval.

Soon after the trials began, lab animals (monkeys and mice) began
experiencing adverse effects ranging from brain lesions and tumors to
seizures and death. Yet Searle petitioned the FDA for aspartame approval
in February, 1973. According to Turner, Searle provided the FDA with over
100 studies claiming they proved aspartame was “safe.” Independent
analyses of these studies, however, proves conclusively that aspartame is
actually a dangerous, neurotoxic, carcinogenic and highly-addictive drug.

Trusting Searle,s promise that aspartame was safe, the FDA approved the
limited use of aspartame in dry goods on July 26, 1974. Turner and Dr.
Olney formally objected to the approval. Their petition triggered an FDA
investigation of Searle,s lab practices which proved that Searle had
provided the FDA with inaccurate conclusions resulting from manipulated
data derived from poorly-designed studies. The FDA reversed its decision
to approve aspartame in dry goods.

On January 10, 1977, the FDA formally requested that the U.S. Department
of Justice convene a federal grand jury to determine if Searle should be
criminally indicted for “concealing material facts and making false
statements” with regard to its petition for aspartame approval.

Among the many charges FDA investigators made about Searle,s shoddy lab
practices was how rats that developed tumors would undergo surgical
removal of the tumors and then be placed back into the study as if nothing
had happened to them.

The grand jury investigation was led by U.S. Attorney Samuel Skinner. In
July 1, 1977, while the investigation was being conducted, Skinner left
the Justice Department and took a job with Sidley & Austin-the law firm
representing Searle. The statute of limitations eventually ran out and the
grand jury disbanded without reaching any conclusions regarding Searle and
its lab practices.

Amid this controversy, Rumsfeld was hired as Searle CEO on March 8, 1977
and immediately began cleaning house. Rumsfeld, who had no previous
business executive experience before becoming CEO of Searle, reorganized
several departments in the company and fired many of its high-level
managers, replacing them with other politically-connected Washington,
D.C., insiders.

Though the controversies deepened and the evidence proving the poisonous
nature of his company,s product continued to accumulate, Rumsfeld and his
team continued to push for FDA approval of aspartame.

A team of FDA investigators headed by Jerome Bressler attempted to block
Rumsfeld, et. al, by publishing what has become known as the “Bressler
Report” on August 1, 1977. The report cited several instances where Searle
intentionally mislead the FDA in its petition for marketplace approval of
aspartame. The FDA then formed a public board of inquiry (PBOI) in 1979 to
rule on the myriad safety issues surrounding aspartame.

By this time, FDA investigators and independent scientists had
exhaustively reviewed the Searle studies and additional studies had been
conducted. There was no doubt, based upon objective analyses of evidence
that had accumulated for over a decade, that aspartame was deathly
poisonous to lab animals and caused a statistically significant number of
them to develop tumors.

On September 30, 1980, the PBOI concluded that aspartame should not be
approved pending further investigation of its link to the formation of
brain tumors and that the FDA “has not been presented with proof of
reasonable certainty that aspartame is safe for use as a food additive.”

The coup

Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president January 21, 1981. Rumsfeld, while
still CEO at Searle, was part of Reagan,s transition team. This team
hand-picked Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., to be the new FDA commissioner.
Dr. Hayes, a pharmacologist, had no previous experience with food
additives before being appointed director of the FDA. He, like Rumsfeld,
did, however, have experience with chemical warfare studies while
connected to the Department of Defense. According to The Washington Post,
Hayes was, “one of a number of doctors who conducted drugs tests for the
Army on volunteers.to determine the effect of a mind-disorienting drug
called CAR 301,060,” at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

The Post further explained why Hayes was the perfect choice to politically
force the approval of aspartame: “According to a declassified 1976 report
prepared by the Army Inspector General, Hayes had planned a research study
to develop the mind-altering CAR 301,060 as a crowd control agent.”

The report, detailing Hayes activities beginning in 1972, further
indicated that Hayes was involved in similar biochemical mind control
research studies until being named FDA director.

One of Hayes, first official acts as FDA chief was to approve the use of
aspartame as an artificial sweetener in dry goods July 18, 1981. In order
to accomplish this feat, Hayes had to overlook the scuttled grand jury
investigation of Searle, overcome the Bressler Report, ignore the PBOI,s
recommendations and pretend aspartame did not chronically sicken and kill
thousands of lab animals. Hayes, left his post at the FDA in November,
1983, amid accusations that he was accepting corporate gifts for political
favors. Just before leaving office in scandal, Hayes approved the use of
aspartame in beverages. According to The Post, Hayes, next job was in the
private sector where he served as a high-paid senior medical advisor for
Searle,s public relations firm.

The aftermath

Within weeks of aspartame,s approval for use in beverages, cans of diet
sodas and other sweet drinks were on the market. To help sell Americans on
using the artificial sweetener, intense advertising campaigns began
programming the public to believe that sugar has lots of calories;
calories make us fat and NutraSweet has no calories-therefore it won,t
make us fat.

Based upon this almost universally-accepted oversimplification of
biochemical reality, aspartame has enjoyed 22 years of marketplace success
and is now in an estimated 7,000 to 9,000 commonly-consumed products in at
least 100 countries. When Searle was absorbed by Monsanto in 1985,
Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus.

Not surprisingly, the same adverse reactions seen in lab animals in the
60s and 70s are now being seen in the general population. In his first
book on aspartame (1990), Dr. H.J. Roberts stated that in five or 10 years
we would have a worldwide plague on our hands if we do not remove
aspartame from our food supply. With the printing of “Aspartame Disease:
An Ignored Epidemic (2001), Dr. Roberts declared that the world is,
indeed, plagued by a global epidemic of symptoms associated with aspartame
use.

* Aspartame is being identified by a growing number of researchers and
physicians as an underlying cause of chronic ill health in America and
other countries throughout the world.

* It interacts with other substances such as pharmaceutical drugs to
produce adverse reactions.

* All metabolites of aspartame (formaldehyde, methanol, diketopiperazine
and formic acid) are toxic to the human body and are especially toxic to
the brain.

* Aspartame comprises over 80 percent of consumer complaints filed with
the FDA.

* The FDA has generated a list of 92 symptoms associated with aspartame
consumption that include nausea, dizziness, irritability, insanity,
blindness, deafness, weight gain and death.

* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that 500,000 people
each year simply “drop dead” for no apparent reason from what it labels
“sudden cardiac death.”

* Dementia among all ages (especially the elderly) and learning
disabilities among children, in the U.S. and abroad, have been
skyrocketing since 1981.

As of today, the number of scientific and studies showing that aspartame
is, indeed, an underlying cause of chronic physical and mental illness and
death out number studies proving its safety by at least 400 to zero. Proof
of this fact can also be determined by what happens in many cases when
people stop using aspartame: Their chronic symptoms disappear.

The legacy

Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom
by President Gerald Ford-the highest civilian honor in America-on January
19, 1977. A few months later, Rumsfeld became the CEO of Searle to secure
political approval for a product that science had proven to be a
highly-addictive neurotoxic drug that causes chronic ill health, brain
tumors and death. The evidence indicates that FDA approval for aspartame
was a high-level political priority undoubtedly connected to its capacity
to adversely effect the minds and bodies of those consuming it.

Because Rumsfeld placed politics above public health and safety, hundreds
of millions of people throughout the world cannot think clearly and suffer
from a variety of chronic illnesses. It is, therefore, fitting that
symptoms associated with aspartame use be known as “Rumsfeld,s disease.”

Caption: The search of a suitable picture of Donald Rumsfeld turned up
this image from Portland Indy Media. Though it may seem satirical, is it?
What goes through the mind of a man who knowingly poisons his own people?

End of Article

Note from Betty Martini:

Only yesterday in national news we learned diet and low calorie pop will
be left in schools which will poison our children. As an example, Coke
Zero has aspartame. Aspartame is a chemical hypersensitization agent
because it is a neurotoxic drug/chemical poison. It not only interacts
with all drugs but all vaccines and other toxins and unsafe sweeteners
like Splenda, a chlorocarbon poison. So our children don’t have a chance.
Only a few weeks ago an epidemiological study by Sharon Fowler at the
University of Texas based on 8 years data links diet drinks with obesity.
Aspartame also can precipitate diabetes, simulates and aggravates diabetic
retinopathy and neuropathy, destroys the optic nerve and interacts with
insulin.

In July a 3 year Italian study was released by the European Foundation for
Oncology and Environmental Sciences which revealed it causes leukemia,
lymphoma and malignant brain tumors. Their July 14 05 report declares:
“The results demonstrate … that aspartame is a carcinogenic agent.” How
many mothers knowing this would want their children drinking an addictive
carcinogenic agent. Aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol which causes
chronic methanol poisoning. This affects the dopamine system of the brain
and causes addiction. Now understand why the pop companies want this
poison in your schools which causes Rumsfeld Disease.

Neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., one of the world’s leading
authorities on aspartame neurotoxicity, extensively reviewed the Soffritti
report. “This study confirmed the previous study by Dr. Trocho and
co-workers (l998), which also found the formaldehyde breakdown product of
aspartame to be damaging to cellular DNA and that this damage was
cumulative. The type of damage was a duplicate of that associated with
cancers. These two studies strongly indicate that drinking a single diet
cola sweetened with aspartame every day could significantly increase one’s
risk of developing a lymphoma or leukemia.”

Dr. Blaylock said further “This study should terrify mothers and all those
consuming aspartame sweetened products. This was a carefully done study
which clearly demonstrated a statistically significant increase in several
types of lymphomas and leukemias in rats. Both of these malignancies have
increased significantly in this country since the widespread use of
aspartame.”

Only the animals exposed to aspartame developed malignant brain tumors and
we are now taking aspartame brain tumor cases for litigation in New York,
New Jersey, Madison County,Illinois and Mississippi. Simply contact me at
Bettym19@mindspring.com

Dr. Blaylock also said “They found that even lower doses of aspartame
could cause these malignancies, yet the higher the dose, the more cancers
that were seen. Since aspartame can increase obesity and may even cause
the metabolic syndrome that affects 48 million Americans, there is no
reason to ever consume this product. At the least, it should be
immediately banned from all schools.”

Any mother reading this article with children in school should immediately
take this to their principal, children’s teacher and PTA along with the
movie, Sweet Misery, and demand that all products with aspartame
(NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful, E951/Canderel/Benevia, etc.) and especially
pop with this poison be removed – period, no if’s, no and’s and no but’s.
And Board of Educations should also remove the lobbyists and those who
would offer money to keep poisoned pop in schools. How much is the brain
of your child worth. Remember this is the cause of the epidemic of ADD,
ADHD, autism, Tourettes, and behavioral problems.

For documentation of this read the experts books:

Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic
H. J. Roberts, M.D.
www.sunsentpress.com
or 1 800 827 7991

Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills and Health & Nutrition Secrets
By neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.
www.russellblaylockmd.com

Web sites: http://www.wnho.net and http://www.dorway.com Aspartame
Toxicity Center, http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame

Aspartame Information List, http://www.wnho.net Get involved

Rumsfeld Disease may become one of the largest plagues in world history.
The list of horrors is unending. Thanks to despicable and greedy Big
Pharma/Codex, in England supplements from industry now contain aspartame.
Diane Fleming still remains in a prison in Virginia because methanol was
found on her husband’s autopsy and they thought she poisoned him even
though she passed their lie detector test. Doctors affidavits state he
died from aspartame which causes methanol poisoning. Athletes like Fleming
are dying because aspartame damages the cardiac conduction system and
causes sudden death, although his was not sudden.

Enough is enough. Eradicate Rumsfeld Disease from our schools and from our
planet.

Don Harkins of the Idaho Observer has given permission to have this
republished. To help the effort the Idaho Observer –
www.idaho-observer.com publishes 24 page booklets for distribution on
Rumsfeld Disease called the Artificially Sweetened Times. Distribute them
throughout your schools, offices and churches to help eradicate Rumsfeld
Disease. And if you think the pop companies didn’t know the gum was loaded
be sure to read the protest of the National Soft Drink Assn. on
www.dorway.com

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway,
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770 242-2599

Idaho Observer
Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
Phone 208-255-2307
Email observer@coldreams.com
Web http://idaho-observer.com

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From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sjonny
Date: August 20, 2005 at 1:24:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Trying not to be jealous of your iboganaut-ness but
cool, I am very happy for ya!
My turn will come.
Manifesting all requirements.
Sweet as
KIrk :o)

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Subject: [Ibogaine] orbicularis oris
Date: August 20, 2005 at 12:37:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is political activism required 4 fellowship?

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sjonny
Date: August 19, 2005 at 11:49:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Sjonny,

My email is between yours with an asterix at the beginning. Scroll down. Oh and by the way,…Congratulations!

Thanks Jasen , but hold the congrats’ , I’m leaning on benzo’s and trying to stop reaching for everything else. A big reduction in the stack of drugs I was taking before would be more than a great result for me and that’s on the cards. I have cramps and I’m pretty wired but nothing like the absolute hell I know all too well – I feel very upbeat and positive also.
*Isn’t it funny how we can feel a little sick whilst feeling upbeat and positve. To me it was like my spirit had received a lot of healing yet my body was still
*catching up,..so my mind was much stronger and able to deal with my body,..so I also was upbeat and positive whilst feeling a little sick. The sick had a
*very different energy to it.
When I was in the thick of it I saw the obligatory archetypal African warriors and shaman everywhere – At least it felt obligatory , I still don’t know if it’s unique to Ibogaine or if it’s an autosuggestive thing. What really struck me was the incredible electricity of it all , more than any other hallucinogen I’ve experienced – I also felt it was very physical , my limbs and the organs in my trunk seemed to spasm and shift as if going through a process only they knew about .I experienced an anxiety about dying in the first couple of hours but felt no need to communicate this as I’d heard and read it wasn’t uncommon.
*Yes I understand the dying feeling. I really thought that I was dying as well,..even though I knew this was a common feeling I was still convinced that this
*was really it. I would say to Sara, “Saraaa I’m dying” and Sara would say, “you are not dying,..it is a process”. Still I was convinced,..I would tell Martiez, I
*am dying,..I wont be here in the morning and Martiez would say, “You cannot die man”.( I laugh my head off now when I think of his comment)
*This dying feeling seems to be a part of us that does not serve the life we choose anymore that is dying and then being reborn.Like being given another ego
*shadow, call it what you will. Ohhh isn’t the most wonder full healing medicine. I am still in awe.
All in all very intense and an ordeal that was eventually rewarding , there is a nicely fulfilling right of passage feeling also if that makes any sense. Certain sounds (frequencies ?) are still amplified , angular flashes come at me from my peripheral vision and I’m still a little clumsy as my balance is wayward. I seem to have a handle on why I want to use which could be invaluable if it stays with me………… right now hot baths and cold milk are keeping me good. I’m glad I did this !
Sjonny.
*The longer you leave it the better it gets. I was stuck for months,..stuck but still feeling great. It has been 9 months now and things get better all the time,it’s
*like the world around us needs time to notice our new vibration, to adjust to it before it starts to work for us again. Give it time, allow yourself to heal, give
*your body time to heal and your mind a while to adjust. This is life we are living and it is wonder full.
with love, Jasen.
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:58:56 +1000

Yeay,..good on you Sjonny,

Would love to hear where the journey took you. Congratulatons.

love, Jasen
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