Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-04

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc
Date: April 30, 2005 at 9:10:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Kurt,
Thanks. Shirl speaks highly of you. Takes one to know one…..none the less I would love to pick your brain..in that curious respectful sort of way. I look forward to one sunny day in nyc. Martee
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From: KURT BRECHTER
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc

Hey Now Martee,
just wanted to say hello, I’m aquainted with Mark Shirley and Joe, I just wanted You to know You are included with them in My list of HEROS,
it takes one to know one.,
Peas and love Kurt
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From: m.finman
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc

Hey Hey,
Your apearance once again is heart warming. I’ve personally been lurking, going through a no need to comment stage. However, what I sense would be helpful for you personally would be if you would find a reputable dojo. It could possibly serve you in areas of being more grounded, disciplined and calm. Also an outlet for that puppy energy you have that needs to be collected and directed.
You’ll notice I didn’t suggest yoga….
love you just the way you are,
Martee

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From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.

brownies were a life saver in mexico but my gas isn’t being turned on unitl tomorrow. unitl then i’ll just have to smoke but i actually got 7 hours last night so i think i might be on the other end of it. Actually I feel pretty damn great. Thanks. -M.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

As well as the other things you mentioned, I found that eating pot helped me to sleep and relax more. More so than smoking, although I did both. As I am sure you
are aware you have to eat more than you would smoke.

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
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From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

I’m still not sleeping! Actually last night was one of my worst 1 and a half hours 17 days out.
Last time it got gradiually better but this time it seems to be getting worse again and this time around was abusing a much shorter acting opiate.
This is beginning to drive me a little nuts. I have no desire to use but I don’t think I’d turn down a Xanax. Nah I’m not gonna take any Xanax but I’m open to sugestions. And yeah I’ve done the Melitonin and the valerian and smoking an hour before I go to sleep. But nothings working. Except maybe the ibogaine. -m.

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
yeah, a very close friend of mine said that often, since i have no personal
experiences. he said to have many spikes,, rigs on stand by as one gropes
and clogs and coagulates searching for the impossible, dumb guy never
learned either, kept trying the impossible, getting off took on a whole new
meaning, no quickie in the enco station or your friend’s bathroom. then
there was the panic as the realization of failure set in. oxys d/n do well
im i’m told..a lot of plastic molecules
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From: “Preston Peet”
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

> >in the south there is no h at least in the bible belt. an 80 oxy runs 60
> bucks. melt 4 of those and you have a 240 dollar load.<
> OOOWWUCH!
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
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> From: “Ron Davis”
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
>
>
>> in the south there is no h at least in the bible belt. an 80 oxy runs 60
>> bucks. melt 4 of those and you have a 240 dollar load. i promise you ,
>> there will not be a visible vein on your body. not that i ever tried it,
>> story is purely anecdotal, ron
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>> From: “Preston Peet”
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
>>
>>
>>> Veins? Veins? LOL, I Have capilaries and a few viens (I admit, they do
>>> come back, sorta, after a break of some years) but they rapidly go,
>>> “Hey, Preston, Fuck You. We’re going back into hiding,” leaving me
>>> whimpering in the bathroom as I try desperately to get well.
>>> Or at least, that’s where I was once again not too long ago.
>>> ;-))
>>> But then, two days ago climbing outta the bathtub, what should pop up on
>>> my foreleg but a HUGE vein I haven’t seen in years, looking whole and
>>> hungry too- it’s the DEVIL I tell you- “Hey Look Preston, a huge willing
>>> vein, and that drugstore where you can legally buy .75 cent rigs is just
>>> around the corner, RUN!
>>> But I resisted. Weird shit ibogaine, how it somehow allows me to step
>>> back, for the most part, and think things through first, again, for the
>>> most part.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peace and love,
>>> Preston Peet
>>>
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
>>> mistaken for madness”
>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>
>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
>>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> —– Original Message —–
>>> From: “Ron Davis”
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
>>>
>>>
>>>> you have veins after all these yrs? lucky, i haven’t seen one in
>>>> decades. dilaudids cooked up nicely in the 70’s before the generics
>>>> came out. i recently had knee surgery and the doc was compassionate w/
>>>> scripts. i ate 25 4mg. to get off, glad insurance paid, knee hurt like
>>>> hell for a month till he filled again. it all sucks, maybe my day will
>>>> come soon, well wishes , ron—– Original Message —–
>>>> From: “Preston Peet”
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Never considered banging it, and don’t think I would- and I used to
>>>>> band ANYTHING I could melt into a needle too once upon a time- but
>>>>> that’s been years (for instance, I get ms-contins along with my
>>>>> dilaudids, but never shot them- but did add water to one once, on the
>>>>> off chance it would work somehow- LOL, I do NOT inject jelly into my
>>>>> veins, no matter how desperate for a “fix” (i.e. needle in my vein,
>>>>> which is such a HUGE part of my addictive problems, that whole
>>>>> ritualistic needle thing, which is one reason why I’m trying new
>>>>> streches to my new Tai Chi video, and still plan on trying yoga, as
>>>>> soon as I can get up early enough on either this Wed or Fri to attend
>>>>> a class a few blocks from my home.
>>>>> Carry on all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace and love,
>>>>> Preston Peet
>>>>>
>>>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>>>>> often mistaken for madness”
>>>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>>>
>>>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>>>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>>>>> Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
>>>>> Sept. 2005)
>>>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>>>> Etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> —– Original Message —–
>>>>> From: “Carlton B”
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just listening to this talk about gagging gullets and emptying bowels
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> me ask a question: has anyone ever explored taking it as an
>>>>>> injection? No
>>>>>> loss of product, etc. I wouldn’t want to be the first one to try
>>>>>> it. On
>>>>>> second thought, maybe it’s not such a good idea to bypass the body’s
>>>>>> main
>>>>>> safeguard to OD….
>>>>>>
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From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc
Date: April 30, 2005 at 8:50:09 PM EDT
To: ibo <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,
Have not yet seen this film but thanks for the recommendation. Movies and film are on of my all time favorite pastimes. Sheer fun sounds good.
Re: going to a dojo being far off topic, well I believe it could be as on topic as one can possible get. All the talk about aftercare, and I read one query re: what do you need to do after to insure success. The responses mostly had to do with being properly hydrated and diet which any who knows me I can’t stress enough.
There’s a saying that goes, “When you do what you did, you get what you got.” This falls under the Ibogaine not being the magic bullet and there is for most other avenues that need to be explored, issues realized and confronted and redirection of certain behaviors, energies which could include reactions, thought patterns, and how one processes the ongoing absurdities and rituals we call daily life.
There can be many ways to approach all this and the lucky few will figure out the ones that can work for them. For that fact I have, in all my years in nyc, witnessed people who successfully stopped drugs and changed little else in their life and were able to stay clean. I am not one of those. I sense neither are many others. Otherwise why would so many require multiple attempts at detox and Ibogaine. Preston I am not referring to your situation as it is pretty unique. I work hard at my sobriety but I will say it is a JOY.
What I said to Marc in my previous post was not from a place of knowing anything or being critical. It was from my heart because this is what I “sense” might be useful to him in particular and above all I pray for him to have what I have.
Peace of mind,contentment, love of self, and a feeling of being grounded that I have never experienced before. What I have been doing could mean little to nothing for his or anyone elses sobriety. It was just a suggestion to someone I wish well.
Glad to see you are up and about and in your usual good spirits,
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc

>However, what I sense would be helpful for you personally would be if you would find a reputable dojo.<

Pretty far off topic here, but have you Martee, or anyone else for that matter here, seen Napolean Dynamite yet? Shoot, the character’s name just flew right outta my head as I was about to write it, but there’s a great, and hilarious scene in it when Napolean and his brother Kip go to check out a dojo.
;-))
Great flick if you haven’t yet seen it- I think it can still be rented on pay-per-view, but if not, I highly recommend renting it. It’s a very silly and innocent-kinda film, no cursing at all (other than one lines when someone tell someone else to go “eat a decroded [sic] piece of crap.”
Great movie and again I highly recommend it for an afternoon/evening of sheer fun and pleasure to distract you from your daily grind. Well worth the rental fee that’s for sure.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: m.finman
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc

Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

From: KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc
Date: April 30, 2005 at 4:12:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.
Date: April 30, 2005 at 2:08:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sure you did! -m.

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
No, 1.5 grams, or so I’ve heard tell, but I really wouldn’t know for sure,
sorry. I’ve only heard about them myself. But I did see Hitchhiker’s Guide
today (first day, third or fourth showing of the day- I’m so happy) and did
feel like I was along for the ride myself.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.

I’m sleeping! Three nights in a row with more than 6 hours so I think I’m
good. Thanks.

Hey Preston, Just curious but would you say there is less than a gram in one
of those chocolates I ate at your party?

Andrea Plementos wrote:
hi,

Have you tried Valerian tincture? 5-10 drops in a glass of water might do
the trick.

Andrea

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc
Date: April 30, 2005 at 1:43:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>However, what I sense would be helpful for you personally would be if you would find a reputable dojo.<

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sleeping
Date: April 29, 2005 at 9:26:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 4/29/05 2:27:13 PM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Personally, it’s my opinion that if you can’t sleep after ibogaine then
probably the drug isn’t really finished with you yet. What I see is that
when people can’t sleep it’s usually because, at a deeper level, something
is trying to shift – some unconscious pattern, some repressed feelings,
an
inner child that wants its voice heard, whatever. The time has come when
it
wants to move and depriving you of sleep is one of the ways it has to try
and break you down and let the feelings come through.

In group therapy, we keep people up all night – partying, doing emotional
release, bioenergetics, other stuff – sometimes for nights on end. It helps
things move. You don’t actually need to sleep – the physical body has no
need of it, that’s my opinion and the opinion of others I trust. It’s just
that stuff starts to rise and one way to switch it off is to feel tired
and
pass out. If you keep the body moving, then feelings keep processing and
awareness rises. If you let it switch off and sleep then the processing
stops.

If I were running iboga sessions I would be putting people straight into
the
group room pretty much as soon as they’ve come down – screaming, shouting,
dancing, running around, acting like kids – Bwiti style. The drug will
always try and rebirth you, try to leave you all shiny and new and feeling
like a little newborn baby and this is a very precious space, too good
to
waste. If you watch the African guys they are moving all the time. They
don’t stop, maybe for days on end. That’s what I saw in the Cameroun. If
you
stop you lose it and I figure the sleeplessness kicks in to try and drag
you
back.

Hi Nick,

Your post, particularly the second paragraph struck a cord. There has been
recent research showing the cerebellum being involved with both chemical
dependence and learning. One of the presenters at the NY Ibogaine Conference
organized by Dana and Cures-Not-Wars was Carl Anderson of McLean Hospital & Harvard
Medical School who is one of the key people evaluating this theory wherein
among other things movement reorganizes the cerebellum. His powerpoint
presentation is available from http://ibogaine.desk.nl/nyc2005.html (just scroll down
until you come to his presentation.) You can also do a search for “Carl
Anderson cerebellum” on google.com or other search engines. Just lose the quotes
when you search and don’t forget Laurent Sazy’s photograph of Mallendi having an
initiate jump, http://ibogaine.org/sazyeatiboga.html

Regards as always,

Howard

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.hey marc
Date: April 29, 2005 at 9:20:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

From: KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 9:08:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sleep.Hmmmmm, I wonder what that feels like;
You Guy’s are all My HEROS
Peas and love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.

No, 1.5 grams, or so I’ve heard tell, but I really wouldn’t know for sure,
sorry. I’ve only heard about them myself. But I did see Hitchhiker’s Guide
today (first day, third or fourth showing of the day- I’m so happy) and
did
feel like I was along for the ride myself.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.

I’m sleeping! Three nights in a row with more than 6 hours so I think I’m
good. Thanks.

Hey Preston, Just curious but would you say there is less than a gram in
one
of those chocolates I ate at your party?

Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi,

Have you tried Valerian tincture? 5-10 drops in a glass of water might do
the trick.

Andrea

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey tied and tested.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 8:59:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for asking James,
Yes, I feel fairly well at the moment, but I go pretty high up and pretty far down in very sudden turns and twists. I think it’s just me trying to balance out after having been at one end of the scale for so long.
Other than for that, and an incredibly looming book deadline I’m not really ready for, yeah, I’m doing and feeling fairly well.
Again, thanks for asking. And yeah, gotta agree on the millard thing too, as perverted as it may make me sound.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: MrPure@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey tied and tested.

just to let you all know the rectal method is by far the best method for those of us with a weak stomach. As far as what dosage is used I don’t really remember, but I do remember that it was a lot less hard on my stomach.
If anyone would like dosage to weight ratio’s I shall find out and email the list.
Hey Preston hope all is well and you feel better?
peace to you all, god love Dana Beal.
James

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 8:51:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No, 1.5 grams, or so I’ve heard tell, but I really wouldn’t know for sure, sorry. I’ve only heard about them myself. But I did see Hitchhiker’s Guide today (first day, third or fourth showing of the day- I’m so happy) and did feel like I was along for the ride myself.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.

I’m sleeping! Three nights in a row with more than 6 hours so I think I’m good. Thanks.

Hey Preston, Just curious but would you say there is less than a gram in one of those chocolates I ate at your party?

Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi,

Have you tried Valerian tincture? 5-10 drops in a glass of water might do the trick.

Andrea

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 29, 2005 at 4:38:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you so very much. The tremendous outpouring of love and support I have received from the members of this list has helped to keep me going these last few days, when I really would rather have not, if you know what I mean.
Blessings and Peace be upon you.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: MrPure@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Pam,
I have been reading these pages since Jan 25th, 3 days after my session.
I have been following your emails.
I’m dumbstruck. I’m truly sorry for your loss.
My deepest condolences.
James

From: MrPure@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 29, 2005 at 3:14:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pam,
I have been reading these pages since Jan 25th, 3 days after my session.
I have been following your emails.
I’m dumbstruck. I’m truly sorry for your loss.
My deepest condolences.
James

From: MrPure@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey tied and tested.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 2:34:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Sleeping
Date: April 29, 2005 at 2:26:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Carla Barnes [mailto:carlambarnes@yahoo.com]
Sent: 29 April 2005 18:23
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sleeping

Hi again Mark, I haven’t read the list lately and saw
your sleeping messages. I think having trouble getting
to sleep after ibogaine happens to nearly everyone, it
drove me crazy at the time. I have a message from last
fall which I’m forwarding in this, but this isn’t the
one I read, it was another one Patrick wrote I think
in 2003, I’ll try to find it, I have a “sleep!” folder
🙂

I’m not sure if what’s in this one is the same as the
other one, but the first one is what worked for me.
I’ve been clean more then 2 years now and use
melatonin every night, I smoke pot 🙂 I sometimes use
unisom.

Love to everyone here!

Carla B

Hi everybody,

Personally, it’s my opinion that if you can’t sleep after ibogaine then
probably the drug isn’t really finished with you yet. What I see is that
when people can’t sleep it’s usually because, at a deeper level, something
is trying to shift – some unconscious pattern, some repressed feelings, an
inner child that wants its voice heard, whatever. The time has come when it
wants to move and depriving you of sleep is one of the ways it has to try
and break you down and let the feelings come through.

In group therapy, we keep people up all night – partying, doing emotional
release, bioenergetics, other stuff – sometimes for nights on end. It helps
things move. You don’t actually need to sleep – the physical body has no
need of it, that’s my opinion and the opinion of others I trust. It’s just
that stuff starts to rise and one way to switch it off is to feel tired and
pass out. If you keep the body moving, then feelings keep processing and
awareness rises. If you let it switch off and sleep then the processing
stops.

If I were running iboga sessions I would be putting people straight into the
group room pretty much as soon as they’ve come down – screaming, shouting,
dancing, running around, acting like kids – Bwiti style. The drug will
always try and rebirth you, try to leave you all shiny and new and feeling
like a little newborn baby and this is a very precious space, too good to
waste. If you watch the African guys they are moving all the time. They
don’t stop, maybe for days on end. That’s what I saw in the Cameroun. If you
stop you lose it and I figure the sleeplessness kicks in to try and drag you
back.

Nick

From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] For Mark or anybody else sleeping 🙂 Re: [ibogaine] for Richard/sleep
Date: April 29, 2005 at 1:28:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s the same information, this was the original
message.

Curtis, are you out there still?

Carla B

— crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:

I remember the melatonin from the SF talks. That’s
the one thing you,
Mash and Dana all mentioned and agreed on 😉

You were all right too bro, gets you a better buzz
and helps you fall
asleep 🙂

I’m on 9mg a night. Started at 3 and went up from
there. Going more then
9 doesnt have any effect I can see on me. But
melatonin is great.

The doxyalamine is something you reminded me of that
I forgot before
just now. That is like a weird piece of jail
knowledge that comes up
and then everyone forgets it. In california they
used to give it to you
if you were in withdrawal then they switched to
something else which
doesnt work anymore and everyone noticed that. I
learned about
doxyalamine
at the needle exchange years ago and it does work
bro 🙂 Helped me a
lot and so did pot like Randy said. Was not taking
melatonin back then.

What helped the most was pot 🙂

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:18:41 -0800 “Patrick K.
Kroupa”
<digital@phantom.com>
wrote:

On [Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 10:59:01AM -0500],
[HSLotsof@aol.com] wrote:

| provide you with a sedative. It is amazing how
much better anyone
would feel
| getting some sleep after five days of not
sleeping.

YeahYeahYeahYeah. Yup.

| not be rxd a sedative. Any sedative will do.
It is amazing what
one night
| of sleep will do for your general well being.

For whut it’s worth, if you can’t sleep — and are
trying to avoid
benzos
— something that usually works for me is
sublingual melatonin.
None of
the herbal remedies, ever remedy much of anything
in my case, and
5-HTP
duz nuthin’

Another over the counter thingie that actually
does work is doxylamine
succinate. Most “sleep aids” are Benadryl
(diphenhydramine) —
which,
also, unfortunately, does absolutely nothing, for
me anyway — but
you can
still find doxylamine succinate in sum’ of ’em. I
think the original
Unisom is doxy.

I have perpetual problems with sleeping. I’m
manic-depressive and
cycle
very fast; making it to sleep before 4am is nearly
impossible.
But if I
do 12-15mg sublingual melatonin mixed with
75-125mg doxylamine
succinate,

it will usually knock me out (I’m 6’2″ 210lbs).

The melatonin I do every night, the doxy is
sumthin’ to toss in
when
you’re still not going out. And yeah, I can
relate. Not being
able to
sleep for days at a time, is incredibly annoying.

The melatonin I’d suggest using on a regular
basis, it’s highly
cool and
works.

The doxy is something to toss into the mix when
the melatonin isn’t
working by itself. It’s pretty interesting,
because it’s the only
over-the-counter nonaddictive “sleep aid” that has
ever worked for
me.
Ambien — and, basically, anything that’s not a
benzo — also does
absolutely nothing for me.

Doxy appears to work for most of the other people
I know who have
major
sleep problems — related to stepping off heroin,
or just in general.

laters,

Patrick

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sleeping
Date: April 29, 2005 at 1:22:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love to everyone here!

Carla B

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Oct 16, 2004, at 6:10 AM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
wrote:

Julie, please pay no attention to my egotistical
ramblings. I feel
100000000000000000000 times better then I would
have without the
Ibogaine. I’m just in that part where you can’t
sleep and if I didn’t
have a spell thing you wouldn’t be able to read
it. Sorry for being
an ass Randy

Randy,

I am speed-reading, skimming, and otherwise missing
a lotta content
frum roughly 500 messages at once…

But… If the problem is sleeping, post-ibogaine.
A question,
followed by a suggestion.

The question iz: are you following sum sorta
paradigm that precludes
the use of any drugs whatsoever…? ‘Cuz, if you
ABSOLUTELY CANNOT
FUCKING SLEEP and are GOING INSANE… A reasonable
benzo that will
knock you on your ass and make the lights go out is
Restoril
(Temazepam). Doing a 30MG cap should suffice, if
not … well, 60MG
will do it.

‘Course, if you use this every single time you need
to sleep, then,
eventually, that tolerance thing will SNEAK UP and
FIND YOU, and you’ll
be right where you started (not sleeping, with or
without benzos,
unless you start swallowing a handful at a time).

…

Sumthin’ that works a lot better, is mixing
sublingual melatonin (I do
12MG, but you can start with 3 or 6, and see whut it
does for you) +
either Ambien or doxylamine succinate (you can get
doxylamine over the
counter, it is contained in the ORIGINAL Unisom for
instance. It is
NOT THE SAME THING as the Sleep Gel things, and 95%
of the other
over-the-counter shit out there which contains:
diphenhydramine HCl,
andh has never done a fucking thing to help knock me
out.

In other words, READ THE LABEL. You WANT:
doxylamine succinate <–

Whereas, diphenhydramine HCl (aka: Benadryl) doesn’t
do a fuckin’ thing
(at least not for me, nor most of the people I know
who have tried it).

Chanting, praying, StiLlIng your m1nd, doing yoga,
changing your life,
and thinking soOthing thotZ, may enhance all of the
above, or even,
eventually, cause you to move your dependence over
to
chanting/praying/thinking soothing thoughts, instead
of eating piLlZ.

It’s just that, sleeping, RIGHT NOW, may be of
greater importance to
you.

Just saying,

Patrick

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep. – Hey Preston.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 12:46:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sleeping! Three nights in a row with more than 6 hours so I think I’m good. Thanks.

Hey Preston, Just curious but would you say there is less than a gram in one of those chocolates I ate at your party?

Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi,

Have you tried Valerian tincture? 5-10 drops in a glass of water might do the trick.

Andrea

From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.
Date: April 29, 2005 at 12:26:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi,

Have you tried Valerian tincture? 5-10 drops in a glass of water might do the trick.

Andrea

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] British Heroin Maintenance Program to Expand
Date: April 29, 2005 at 10:50:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/384/ukheroin.shtml

Europe: British Heroin Maintenance Program to Expand 4/29/05
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/384/ukheroin.shtml
A British program that provides free heroin to addicts is set to expand in June, the National Health Service’s Treatment Agency announced last week. In an ongoing pilot program, some 450 heroin users who have not responded to methadone or other treatments currently receive the drug. If that initial run is evaluated as being a success, the number receiving prescription heroin could nearly double, an agency spokesman said.
The British government has responded to advice from its own drug experts that similar heroin maintenance programs in Switzerland and Holland have significantly reduced drug-related crime and other social problems. A similar experimental program is now underway in Canada, with addicts in Vancouver already receiving maintenance doses and the program set to expand to Montreal and Toronto.
In addition to 450 people receiving prescription heroin, the ongoing trials include another 3,000 who are receiving methadone. According to the National Health Service, there are 56,000 registered heroin users in Britain, but independent drug experts, such as Drugscope say the actual number of addicts is closer to 200,000.
Participants begin with oral methadone, and if that fails to reduce user criminality, injection methadone is the next step. If that, too, fails, heroin injections are prescribed, along with counseling.
“The majority of patients on substitution medication get oral methadone,” said an agency spokesman. “What we are suggesting is that, if that is not working, we may need to look at other forms of treatment. That could be a different dose of methadone. It could be injectable methadone or some may benefit from treatment with injectable heroin. There may be an increase in the numbers receiving injectable heroin, but we are talking about hundreds not thousands.”

snip-
—–

And didn’t some idiot here tell folks, some Canadian (I could swear seeing an article just come through here quoting this guy, whose name completely escapes me right now), saying the Brits had decided this program was a failure and that Vancouver should drop their safe injection site? Yes, I’m sure I saw that come through here in the last day or two (DrugWar.com’s list, not the ibogaine list btw.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 10:56:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

god knows we need it
—– Original Message —– From: “KURT BRECHTER” <shaman13@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

Thank’s ron
Peas to all of US
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

yeah Kurt, they even let me stay around and I’m dead weight, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

> LOL, likewise. I saw the first post, about heros, and thought
immediately,
> “hey, that sounds familiar as heck.” Checking out the email address, I
> thought, aHA!
> ;-))
> Seriously, welcome to the list Kurt, glad to see you posting and
> participating here. Yer a welcome addition to this here list.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
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> —– Original Message —–
> From: mcorcoran
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
>
>
> hey kurt. glad to see you on the list! -m.
>
> KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net> wrote:
> My Mind ani’t right.
> Please excuse My mistake, I’ve only now found My way HOME….
> peace and love Kurt
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “KURT BRECHTER”
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
>
>
>> Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious
>> beautiful
>> girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on
>> her
>> way,
>> She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left
>> behind,
>> Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
>> They are, and You all are My Heros
>> Love Kurt
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “Ron Davis”
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
>>
>>
>> > blessings, ron
>> > —– Original Message —–
>> > From: “Pam Paperno”
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
>> >
>> >
>> > > Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and
> began
>> > > my
>> > > meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
>> > > dreaming
>> > > of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch.
> Maybe
>> > > all
>> > > the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or,
maybe
>> I’m
>> > > just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
>> > > Pam
>> > > —– Original Message —–
>> > > From: “Morning Wood”
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From: KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 10:51:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL, likewise. I saw the first post, about heros, and thought
immediately,
“hey, that sounds familiar as heck.” Checking out the email address, I
thought, aHA!
;-))
Seriously, welcome to the list Kurt, glad to see you posting and
participating here. Yer a welcome addition to this here list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

hey kurt. glad to see you on the list! -m.

KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net> wrote:
My Mind ani’t right.
Please excuse My mistake, I’ve only now found My way HOME….
peace and love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “KURT BRECHTER”
To:
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious
beautiful
girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on
her
way,
She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left
behind,
Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
They are, and You all are My Heros
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

blessings, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and
began
my
meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
dreaming
of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch.
Maybe
all
the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or,
maybe
I’m
just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Morning Wood”
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

I will spend at least 3 hours mediating, praying and
listening. I would really appreciate it if you would
light a candle at home at that time, no need to send a
e-mail saying you lit it, just doing it is more then
enough. Thank you.

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j
! > >>

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

! ;

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 10:37:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah Kurt, they even let me stay around and I’m dead weight, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

LOL, likewise. I saw the first post, about heros, and thought immediately, “hey, that sounds familiar as heck.” Checking out the email address, I thought, aHA!
;-))
Seriously, welcome to the list Kurt, glad to see you posting and participating here. Yer a welcome addition to this here list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

hey kurt. glad to see you on the list! -m.

Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious beautiful
girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on her
way,
She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left behind,
Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
They are, and You all are My Heros
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

> blessings, ron
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Pam Paperno”
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
>
>
> > Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and
began
> > my
> > meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
> > dreaming
> > of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch.
Maybe
> > all
> > the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe
I’m
> > just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
> > Pam
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “Morning Wood”
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
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> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
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> >>
> >> http://www.timezoneconverter.com/
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> >> I will spend at least 3 hours mediating, praying and
> >> listening. I would really appreciate it if you would
> >> light a candle at home at that time, no need to send a
> >> e-mail saying you lit it, just doing it is more then
> >> enough. Thank you.
> >>
> >> Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
> >> j
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 9:53:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL, likewise. I saw the first post, about heros, and thought immediately, “hey, that sounds familiar as heck.” Checking out the email address, I thought, aHA!
;-))
Seriously, welcome to the list Kurt, glad to see you posting and participating here. Yer a welcome addition to this here list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation

hey kurt. glad to see you on the list! -m.

Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious beautiful
girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on her
way,
She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left behind,
Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
They are, and You all are My Heros
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 8:18:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey kurt. glad to see you on the list! -m.

> Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious beautiful
> girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on her
> way,
> She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left behind,
> Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
> They are, and You all are My Heros
> Love Kurt
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Ron Davis”
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
>
>
> > blessings, ron
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “Pam Paperno”
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
> >
> >
> > > Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and
began
> > > my
> > > meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
> > > dreaming
> > > of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch.
Maybe
> > > all
> > > the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe
> I’m
> > > just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
> > > Pam
> > > —– Original Message —–
> > > From: “Morning Wood”
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
> > > Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
> > >> tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.timezoneconverter.com/
> > >>
> > >> I will spend at least 3 hours mediating, praying and
> > >> listening. I would really appreciate it if you would
> > >> light a candle at home at that time, no need to send a
> > >> e-mail saying you lit it, just doing it is more then
> > >> enough. Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
> > >> j
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From: KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 12:43:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My Mind ani’t right.
Please excuse My mistake, I’ve only now found My way HOME….
peace and love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “KURT BRECHTER” <shaman13@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious beautiful
girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on her
way,
She and Patrick are with the Bwiti and are protectinall of Us left behind,
Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
They are, and You all are My Heros
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

blessings, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and
began
my
meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
dreaming
of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch.
Maybe
all
the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe
I’m
just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

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From: KURT BRECHTER <shaman13@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 29, 2005 at 12:11:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Candles lit, copal and dragons blood as well, I lost My precious beautiful
girl in july, Having taken Ibogaine I know she is in tact and still on her
way,
She and Ron are with the Bwiti and are protecting all of Us left behind,
Peace and Love, angels on our shoulders
They are, and You all are My Heros
Love Kurt
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

blessings, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and began
my
meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep,
dreaming
of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch. Maybe
all
the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe
I’m
just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron
Date: April 29, 2005 at 12:02:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sara says pot relieves seizures. she’s holistic and experienced. i know the doc and he’s good i’m going to jump w/sara i don’t have time to detox benzos, the doc is a good man. i have to chance it to live. my job, public defender, is demanding and i have to make a move. i’ve reduced per doc, but not all the way. pop’s dying and i have a death penalty case. gotta move, short window w/ job. thanks for the note. ron but i could change my mind
—– Original Message —– From: <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron

Ron, I guess you are talking about taking benzo’s while under the influence
of Ibogaine. When I took my treatment I took a few 10 mg. valiums. I came off
of methadone so I had to take the Ibogaine over a period of days and I took the
valiums in between doses to be able to relax enough to get a nap in before
the big dose came. Now that said, I don’t think there is a provider that
condones taking a regular dose of benzo’s during the treatment, only to use them
ancedontly for the anxiety that may, or may not come up. The doctor at St. Kitts
recommends that anyone addicted to benzo’s detox from them for two weeks before
the Ibogaine treatment. As you well know dude, benzo’s create a problem and
there are no easy answers, but I would think that there has to be a compromise
in there somewhere. I think that after the ibogaine treatment the reason for
taking benzo’s will come to the surface and it would be easier to obstain from
them. I wish I could say that weaning down on the dose of benzo’s will prevent
a seizure, but I can’t. Seizures are a possibility, but not a certainty. I’d
be careful Ron, but I would go on and do the Ibogaine, but I aint you. I wish
you strenght and hope my friend, I always have. Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:32:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a spiritual person is one that is wanted, needed and loved. i suspect he was and you were blessed. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam

Ron,
Patrick was only 43 years old, yet the life he led was a hard one. I know
he would wish for you freedom from your bondage and peace with yourself.
Right now it is so difficult for me to reach out to anyone, but Patrick’s
sister calls me often and what she says does help me–she tells me how happy
he was to have someone to love who loved him back, no strings attached. She
seems to want me to believe he died happy, and I truly wish I could. I know
he wanted to live and love for many more years.
Good luck to you, and, please, be careful. I think any life unnecessarily
lost for any reason is a terrible waste.
I shall hold you in my prayers.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam

grief is a terrible thing, my father, i’m an only unmarried child, is
laying
in the next room dying. of course, he’s had his time. how old was patrick
and how long were you 2 together? there will be much to do, please get
help, you do not have to carry this burden alone. then cry til the tears
are gone. i believe choices for him were made that are similar to all
addicts. we live a life that’s not fun while the world thinks we’re
partying. i haven’t partied in 30 yrs. too much work involved. people
will try to calm you, it won’t work, and you’ll be expected to have the
happy face when that’s the last thing you want to put on. that goes away.
when it does, you can mourn, lose your anger and take your collective
knowledge and help others. i’d give anything to be clean when my father
dies. at 55 i c/n pull it together. use your friends, god, great spirit
and
all the tools you’ve gained from 8 yrs. straight. i c/n help from the deep
south, no nothing of new york laws, but feel free to contact me or anyone
else to get you thru this. it is truly one day at a time and the ball
keeps
spinning. may you find peace in your time of grief and don’t pick up,
love,
ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

> Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
> really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
> weeks.
> Pam
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
>
>
>> By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?
>>
>>   I’m kinda surprised to hear he wanted you in the room with him at >> all
>> times. I kept telling my friend and my lover to both Leave Me Alone
> Please,
>> and Quit Asking if I’m Still Breathing Please Too.
>> ;-))
>>
>> I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t >> think
I
>> did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and >> very
>> still.
>>
>>   Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, >> or
>> whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t
find
>> the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the
>> ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those
>> who
>> have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself
wouldn’t
>> ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under
someone
>> with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone
> else
>> who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter >> lack
>> of
>> “I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on >> things,
> and
>> finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate
> prescriptions
>> to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any
>> time
> I
>> felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with
>> ibogaine
>> every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or
> right
>> up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single
> thing
>> wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other
> harm-reducing
>> option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why
insist
> on
>> making things as difficult or painful as possible?
>>     That’s my own personal opinion today.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
>> mistaken for madness”
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient >> Civilizations,
>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in
> extremely
>> grave condition
>>
>>
>> >I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m
>> >burning
>> > for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the
Doctor!
>> > Pam
>> > —– Original Message —– >> > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
>> > To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>;
> <ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
>> > <drugwar@mindvox.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
>> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in
>> > extremely
>> > grave condition
>> >
>> >
>> >> A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under >> >> the
>> >> Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very >> >> sick
> and
>> >> needs some thoughts and prayers.
>> >> Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles,
whatever
> it
>> > is
>> >> you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his >> >> and
> his
>> >> family’s direction.
>> >>     Thank you very much all.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Peace and love,
>> >> Preston Peet
>> >>
>> >> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> often
>> >> mistaken for madness”
>> >> Richard Davenport-Hines
>> >>
>> >> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>> >> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> >> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>> >> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>> >> Civilizations,
>> >> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
>> >> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> >> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> >> Columnist New York Waste
>> >> Etc.
>> >>
>> >> —– Original Message —– >> >> From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
>> >> To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
>> >> <asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
>> >> <asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
>> >> Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
> condition
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > —–Original Message—–
>> >> > From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org
[mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
>> >> > Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
>> >> > To: dpfca@drugsense.org
>> >> > Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
>> >> > condition
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >    Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***
>> >> >
>> >> >    It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh,
is
>> >> > hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator >> >> > and
>> >> > is
>> >> > in extremely grave condition.
>> >> >
>> >> >   Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.
>> >> >
>> >> >   His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
>> >> > 346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
>> >> > <JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.
>> >> >
>> >> >   I’ll post updates as needed.
>> >> >
>> >> >    take care   —   peace   —   ashley in atlanta
>> >> >
>> >> > PS:   Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
>> >> > Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
>> >> > —
>> >> > —-
>> >> > Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
>> >> > 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Friends,
>> >> >
>> >> > Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern
> California
>> >> > politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
>> > vulnerable
>> >> > patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.
>> >> >
>> >> > Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.
>> >> >
>> >> > Steph Sherer
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:02:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

blessings, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation

Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and began my
meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep, dreaming
of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch. Maybe all
the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe I’m
just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.
Date: April 28, 2005 at 6:54:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sleeeeep.
Date: April 28, 2005 at 6:03:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey M,

You are sleeping soon.

love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 28, 2005 at 12:06:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here is something for you–I, too, lit a candle for my beloved and began my
meditation at 9pm Pacific time. By 9:20 pm I believe I was asleep, dreaming
of him. I could hear him speak, see his face and feel his touch. Maybe all
the energy from all of you gave me those moments of peace. Or, maybe I’m
just going crazy. Either way, I’m happy with it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Condolences
Date: April 28, 2005 at 12:01:03 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you. I need all the help I can get just to stay connected with this world when all I really want is to get to the next one where he is.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: Ibogaine List
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Condolences

Hi Pam,

I am very sorry to hear of your loss. But as you say Patrick died a free man and that means a great deal. How many people get the opportunity to prepare themselves in this way before the final moment comes?

There is a candle lit for you and for all who are suffering at this moment.

www.my-ebgoa.com/candle.html

Lee

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period.
www.my-ebgoa.com/amazinggrace.html
Free copies of Amazing Grace available here for members of the media / librarians etc:
www.my-ebgoa.com/freecopy.html
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Condolences
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:59:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you. Patrick suffered from insomnia for many years and considered it a terrible curse. Hopefully, yours will pass soon and you will sleep the peaceful sleep of the free.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Condolences

Pam – I dont have a lot of time these days and just last night realized what had happened. I feel terrible complaining about a bit of insomnia. Speaking as someone who is just recently on the other end I can assure you he was a free man and not afraid. You and your family and everyone involved will continue to be in my thoughts.

Love – Mark

Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Pam,

There is a candle lit for you and for all who are suffering at this moment.

www.my-ebgoa.com/candle.html

Lee

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:58:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,
Patrick was only 43 years old, yet the life he led was a hard one. I know
he would wish for you freedom from your bondage and peace with yourself.
Right now it is so difficult for me to reach out to anyone, but Patrick’s
sister calls me often and what she says does help me–she tells me how happy
he was to have someone to love who loved him back, no strings attached. She
seems to want me to believe he died happy, and I truly wish I could. I know
he wanted to live and love for many more years.
Good luck to you, and, please, be careful. I think any life unnecessarily
lost for any reason is a terrible waste.
I shall hold you in my prayers.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam

grief is a terrible thing, my father, i’m an only unmarried child, is
laying
in the next room dying. of course, he’s had his time. how old was patrick
and how long were you 2 together? there will be much to do, please get
help, you do not have to carry this burden alone. then cry til the tears
are gone. i believe choices for him were made that are similar to all
addicts. we live a life that’s not fun while the world thinks we’re
partying. i haven’t partied in 30 yrs. too much work involved. people
will try to calm you, it won’t work, and you’ll be expected to have the
happy face when that’s the last thing you want to put on. that goes away.
when it does, you can mourn, lose your anger and take your collective
knowledge and help others. i’d give anything to be clean when my father
dies. at 55 i c/n pull it together. use your friends, god, great spirit
and
all the tools you’ve gained from 8 yrs. straight. i c/n help from the deep
south, no nothing of new york laws, but feel free to contact me or anyone
else to get you thru this. it is truly one day at a time and the ball
keeps
spinning. may you find peace in your time of grief and don’t pick up,
love,
ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

I’m kinda surprised to hear he wanted you in the room with him at all
times. I kept telling my friend and my lover to both Leave Me Alone
Please,
and Quit Asking if I’m Still Breathing Please Too.
;-))

I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t think
I
did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and very
still.

Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, or
whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t
find
the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the
ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those
who
have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself
wouldn’t
ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under
someone
with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone
else
who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter lack
of
“I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on things,
and
finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate
prescriptions
to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any
time
I
felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with
ibogaine
every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or
right
up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single
thing
wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other
harm-reducing
option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why
insist
on
making things as difficult or painful as possible?
That’s my own personal opinion today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in
extremely
grave condition

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m
burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the
Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>;
<ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in
extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick
and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles,
whatever
it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and
his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition

—–Original Message—–
From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org
[mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
To: dpfca@drugsense.org
Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition

Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***

It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh,
is
hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and
is
in extremely grave condition.

Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.

His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
<JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.

I’ll post updates as needed.

take care — peace — ashley in atlanta

PS: Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
—
—-
Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114

Dear Friends,

Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern
California
politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
vulnerable
patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.

Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.

Steph Sherer

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:52:50 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is wrong that lives are lost in the quest for freedom–from drugs, from
ignorance, from oppression, especially when so many of them could (and
should) be prevented.
Patrick had seven near death experiences in his life. He had been through
the Door many times, and always came back. I have to believe he thought he
would this time, too, but it slammed shut behind him.
Preston, I, too thank God you didn’t die. You give much to many, and are
greatly loved. Perhaps you have never realized that being someone to love
can be as important as being someone who loves. Think on that.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Pam wrote in understandable frustration (it seems like frustration at
least
and I cannot even begin to question it at all) >If his passing provides
information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.<

I for one am pretty freaked out by this as is V, and both of us continue
to
send you our love Pam.

All who have taken ibogaine to kick or whatever the reason have been
conducting a nifty little experiement, because as was pointed out
yesterday
by someone here, the FDA and US gov won’t do it for us. So we’ve all been
“willing” test subjects. (What is the rate of death from taking ibogaine
in
original form amongst the Gabonese? Did I spell that right?) Were the FDA
doing the experimenting, we’d be getting paid rather than scraping and
saving and suffering to pay our own substantial fees-with the risk of
dying
involved. Yes, I know shooting drugs also kills, as does simply walking
out
of their apartment in Manhattan in some people’s cases, but jesus fucking
christ this is terrible.

Patrick apparently wasn’t dying (or maybe he was and we just don’t yet
know
it- considering the messages about kitchen table surgeries and the diet
and
the like it does sound like he was not being exactly healthy-living guy)
up
until day before yesterday, he was simply medicating (granted in not that
neat and tidy a fashion) and being made a criminal because of it. Because
he
had been told all his life that it was the WRONG fucking thing to do, he
felt it necessary to take a drug we all know has some serious risks to it,
to “free” himself from the OTHER fucking drugs. I am so pissed off,
frustrated, extremely sad, angry, and amazingly enough, I just toasted V
this second with the words,

“Thank god I didn’t die.”

Then I heard myself saying this and was honestly shocked, in that I’ve
always kinda thought in the very back, deepest undiscussed parts of my
mind
that is what I’ve long wanted, to die, but I guess not.

So again Pam, I am saddened to find this out, and am grateful for having
had
the opportunity to actualy hear his voice. V too is feeling shaken by this
turn of events, feeling a wide assortment of emotions too over this, many
of
the same ones I myself listed above, and we’re both of us thinking a lot
about you.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: <darkmattersfo@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Pam, I don’t know you are your husband but my heart reaches out to you.
I
am so sorry for your loss. I wish I had some way to make this easier. –
Mark

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point
exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a
copy
of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did
speak
to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I
love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than
lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down
the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at
least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking
ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the
internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this,
just
to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like
this,
I
hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And
again
I
apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know
if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause
for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation,
and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It
is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process
you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone
else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we
won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.
Date: April 28, 2005 at 11:47:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I do believe that. I still very much feel his presence around me.
Last night I dreamed of him, and it was so incredibly real that I wept because I woke up. All I want to do is go back to sleep and see him again.
Hey, I will be all right. I don’t know how, and I don’t know when, but I will,
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.

Pam,

I do not have the words. I am sorry for your loss.You will see him again.

with love,
Jasen.

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Condolences
Date: April 28, 2005 at 8:45:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love – Mark

Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Pam,

There is a candle lit for you and for all who are suffering at this moment.

www.my-ebgoa.com/candle.html

Lee

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From: Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Condolences
Date: April 28, 2005 at 6:58:55 AM EDT
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Pam,

There is a candle lit for you and for all who are suffering at this moment.

www.my-ebgoa.com/candle.html

Lee

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period.
www.my-ebgoa.com/amazinggrace.html
Free copies of Amazing Grace available here for members of the media / librarians etc:
www.my-ebgoa.com/freecopy.html
From: “boaz” <wachtel@shani.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.
Date: April 28, 2005 at 3:03:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pam

Our empathy and sympathy to you. May you know no sorrow any more.

Boaz and Maya Wachtel

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:46 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.

Deepest condolences for your loss, Pam.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:40:10 -0700 Jasen Chamoun
<jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Patrick will be in my prayers tonight as will you and your
family……
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:46 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.

Pam,

I do not have the words. I am sorry for your loss.You will see

him again.

with love,

Jasen.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.
Date: April 28, 2005 at 2:45:54 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Deepest condolences for your loss, Pam.

Pam,

I do not have the words. I am sorry for your loss.You will see

him again.

with love,

Jasen.

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From: Just Himself <dogsnack@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] please unsuscribe
Date: April 28, 2005 at 1:36:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

what’s with the unsubscribe note? I can do that, just curious about the note.

On 4/27/05, Susan Muller <ecco728@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

—
The best things in life aren’t things.
From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] invitation
Date: April 27, 2005 at 9:03:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello,

I will be having a private memorial for the Sprit
tonight at 11pm central standard time april 27 2005.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/

Much Love to you and your family Pam ,
j

“Open yourself to the sights, sounds and Realities
of
the situation as it is.”

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.
Date: April 27, 2005 at 6:40:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick will be in my prayers tonight as will you and your family……
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:46 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.

Pam,

I do not have the words. I am sorry for your loss.You will see him again.

with love,
Jasen.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick free with wings.
Date: April 27, 2005 at 5:46:20 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pam,

I do not have the words. I am sorry for your loss.You will see him again.

with love,
Jasen.

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wuzup wit dis?
Date: April 27, 2005 at 5:16:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— nruhtra@dsskcorp.com wrote:
phantom.com
mindvox.com

damn noriega what be this

I think its a ‘disturbance in the force’ where the 700 other sites
mindvox is running go across the front page 😉 Or when whatever
webobjects does, it’s turned off. Never understood the difference
between that and using php, but mindvox lives in a different universe.

http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

This is all inside MindVox/Wiretap/Interscape whatever else lives in
that rack. This is only the ibogaine sites I know about using whois.sc,
netcraft and netsol.com

http://www.ibogaine-amsterdam.com/
http://www.ibogaine-caribbean.com/
http://www.ibogaine-costarica.com/
http://www.ibogaine-england.com/
http://www.ibogaine-uk.com/
http://www.ibogaine-ibiza.com/
http://www.ibogaine-mexico.net/
http://www.ibogaine-juarez.com/
http://www.ibogaine-london.com/
http://www.ibogaine-netherlands.com/
http://www.ibogaine-prague.com/
http://www.ibogaine-spain.com/

http://www.ibogaine-research.org/
http://www.ibogaine-research.com/
http://www.ibogaine-research.net/
http://www.ibogaineresearch.com/

http://www.ibogaine.net/
http://www.healingvisions.com/
http://www.ibogaine-stkitts.com/
http://www.ibogaine-stkitts.net/
http://www.ibogaine-stkitts.org/
http://www.noribogaine.com/
http://www.noribogaine.net/
http://www.noribogaine.org/

There isn’t anything on Advanced Health Transitions in google. With
quotes it comes up with 0 hits, without quotes there is no ibogaine
anything. But the register lists

http://advancedhealthtransitions.com/
http://advancedhealthtransitions.net/

Organization:
Phantom Access Technologies, Inc.
Patrick Kroupa
1133 Broadway
New York, NY 10101
US
Phone: 212.824.9930
Email: digital@mindvox.com

Registrar Name….: Register.com
Registrar Whois…: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: ADVANCEDHEALTHTRANSITIONS.COM

Created on…………..: Tue, Jan 11, 2005
Expires on…………..: Wed, Jan 11, 2006
Record last updated on..: Tue, Jan 11, 2005

Administrative Contact:
Phantom Access Technologies, Inc.
Patrick Kroupa
1133 Broadway
New York, NY 10101
US
Phone: 212.824.9930
Email: digital@mindvox.com

My favorite two sites are

http://www.phantom.com/~digital/
http://na.mindvox.com/

😉

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 1:40:40 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pam wrote in understandable frustration (it seems like frustration at least and I cannot even begin to question it at all) >If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.<

I for one am pretty freaked out by this as is V, and both of us continue to send you our love Pam.

All who have taken ibogaine to kick or whatever the reason have been conducting a nifty little experiement, because as was pointed out yesterday by someone here, the FDA and US gov won’t do it for us. So we’ve all been “willing” test subjects. (What is the rate of death from taking ibogaine in original form amongst the Gabonese? Did I spell that right?) Were the FDA doing the experimenting, we’d be getting paid rather than scraping and saving and suffering to pay our own substantial fees-with the risk of dying involved. Yes, I know shooting drugs also kills, as does simply walking out of their apartment in Manhattan in some people’s cases, but jesus fucking christ this is terrible.

Patrick apparently wasn’t dying (or maybe he was and we just don’t yet know it- considering the messages about kitchen table surgeries and the diet and the like it does sound like he was not being exactly healthy-living guy) up until day before yesterday, he was simply medicating (granted in not that neat and tidy a fashion) and being made a criminal because of it. Because he had been told all his life that it was the WRONG fucking thing to do, he felt it necessary to take a drug we all know has some serious risks to it, to “free” himself from the OTHER fucking drugs. I am so pissed off, frustrated, extremely sad, angry, and amazingly enough, I just toasted V this second with the words,

“Thank god I didn’t die.”

Then I heard myself saying this and was honestly shocked, in that I’ve always kinda thought in the very back, deepest undiscussed parts of my mind that is what I’ve long wanted, to die, but I guess not.

So again Pam, I am saddened to find this out, and am grateful for having had the opportunity to actualy hear his voice. V too is feeling shaken by this turn of events, feeling a wide assortment of emotions too over this, many of the same ones I myself listed above, and we’re both of us thinking a lot about you.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: <darkmattersfo@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Pam, I don’t know you are your husband but my heart reaches out to you. I am so sorry for your loss. I wish I had some way to make this easier. – Mark

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a copy of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did speak to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

> I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
> Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking > ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just
to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I
hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I
apologize for that.
>
> If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.
>
> Regards,
> Carlton
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
> Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
>
> Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
> really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
weeks.
> Pam
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
>
>
> > By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?
>
>
>
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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 11:22:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To all of you–
Thank you so much for the outpouring of sympathy, love and support.
It means so much to me to have your e-mails to read and answer. It is just
a very tiny bit easier to handle when I have something to DO, even if it
only reading and responding to your kind words.
It is especially gratifying to me to see so many who cared about Patrick.
Your words of encougarement and those of you who spoke to him on the phone
before he began meant so much to him. He had not gotten much kindness and
never any love until he met me, and yet you on the list, strangers to him,
cared about him and were willing to give of yourselves to him. For that, I
will always love you all myself.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

i’m going to take a dangerous leap with my health and drugs, i too would
rather die than live this way any longer 40years is long enough. i’m going
against advice.stay the course and spread the word. wet feet and all. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point
exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a
copy
of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did
speak
to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than
lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down
the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at
least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation,
and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process
you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone
else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and Pam
Date: April 27, 2005 at 11:05:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

grief is a terrible thing, my father, i’m an only unmarried child, is laying in the next room dying. of course, he’s had his time. how old was patrick and how long were you 2 together? there will be much to do, please get help, you do not have to carry this burden alone. then cry til the tears are gone. i believe choices for him were made that are similar to all addicts. we live a life that’s not fun while the world thinks we’re partying. i haven’t partied in 30 yrs. too much work involved. people will try to calm you, it won’t work, and you’ll be expected to have the happy face when that’s the last thing you want to put on. that goes away. when it does, you can mourn, lose your anger and take your collective knowledge and help others. i’d give anything to be clean when my father dies. at 55 i c/n pull it together. use your friends, god, great spirit and all the tools you’ve gained from 8 yrs. straight. i c/n help from the deep south, no nothing of new york laws, but feel free to contact me or anyone else to get you thru this. it is truly one day at a time and the ball keeps spinning. may you find peace in your time of grief and don’t pick up, love, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8 weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t think I
did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and very
still.

Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, or
whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t find
the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the
ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those who
have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself wouldn’t
ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under someone
with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone
else
who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter lack of
“I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on things,
and
finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate
prescriptions
to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any time
I
felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with ibogaine
every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or
right
up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single
thing
wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other
harm-reducing
option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why insist
on
making things as difficult or painful as possible?
That’s my own personal opinion today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in
extremely
grave condition

>I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m
>burning
> for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
> Pam
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>;
<ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
> <drugwar@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in > extremely
> grave condition
>
>
>> A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
>> Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick
and
>> needs some thoughts and prayers.
>> Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever
it
> is
>> you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and
his
>> family’s direction.
>>     Thank you very much all.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
>> mistaken for madness”
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient >> Civilizations,
>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
>> To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
>> <asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
>> <asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
>> Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition
>>
>>
>> > —–Original Message—–
>> > From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
>> > Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
>> > To: dpfca@drugsense.org
>> > Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
>> > condition
>> >
>> >
>> >    Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***
>> >
>> >    It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
>> > hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and >> > is
>> > in extremely grave condition.
>> >
>> >   Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.
>> >
>> >   His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
>> > 346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
>> > <JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.
>> >
>> >   I’ll post updates as needed.
>> >
>> >    take care   —   peace   —   ashley in atlanta
>> >
>> > PS:   Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
>> > Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
>> > —
>> > —-
>> > Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
>> > 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern
California
>> > politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
> vulnerable
>> > patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.
>> >
>> > Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.
>> >
>> > Steph Sherer
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: Jeff Penfield <PenfieldJ@jae.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report
Date: April 27, 2005 at 10:56:37 AM EDT
To: “‘ibogaine@mindvox.com'” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Great e-mail , thanks.

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 10:18:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Pam , I have been following your posts & I am so sorry for your loss, I sure understand being angry as well. I do hope youll continue to hang around.Its hard to know what to say, but know Im sending loving thoughts your way ,shell

Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Pam,

I am truly saddened to hear about your loss. You have
my deepest condolences.

Love from Toronto,

Andrea

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 8:46:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Pam,

I am truly saddened to hear about your loss. You have
my deepest condolences.

Love from Toronto,

Andrea

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From: Susan Muller <ecco728@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] please unsuscribe
Date: April 27, 2005 at 5:22:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to
Date: April 27, 2005 at 2:13:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good costume.
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edges, sorry
i wear it here

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 1:31:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pam, I don’t know you are your husband but my heart reaches out to you. I am so sorry for your loss. I wish I had some way to make this easier. – Mark

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a copy of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did speak to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just
to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I
hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I
apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 1:05:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God bless you, Pam . be well and strong.

Sara

god bless you and your family. wet feet and all, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Dear Ron,
You are a sheep in wolf’s clothing–your kind words are definately not
the
“I, me, my,” that one would expect of an addict.
That you don’t know me, but were still moved to send your kind thoughts
tells me much about the quality of you as a human being.
I also don’t know you, but I still feel much compassion for you. I have
been where you are, as my husband was, and I know the hell it is.
For anyone who wants to know–my clean life is still intact. Even this
does
not make me want to use again. Besides, Patrick was always so proud of
my
time–8 years clean and sober–he would kill me if I picked up.
Just as a response to a previous communication of yours: Patrick did
two
terms, one 4 years and one of 5 years, while I spent 11 months and 16
days
at Club Fed. Those feet wet enough for you?
Love to you, and wishes for you to find freedom–
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

i don’t know you but this blows me away. nothing can diminish the pain,
i
too am so sorry to hear this. ron davis
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking
ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the
internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like
this,
just to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news
like
this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve
it.
And again I apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know
if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause
for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in
experimentation,
and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you
and
me.    It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the
discovery
process you will discover information that could prevent this
happening
to
someone else.   I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that
you
uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we
won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 12:59:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH GOD OH SHIT OH LIFE
I too must say how very very sorry i am for your loss. I lost my wife of 13 years to this disease…and left me with a 6 year old boy to raise. Man what is the meaning here..what is the reason… what is the world…we dealing with this process are put to the test in so many ways
this being the ‘acid test’ so to speak…he passed, he did the deed, he did what he wanted and felt he needed, and died a free man,
un-enslaved and surrounded by the love of a family and the spirit of iboga
with all my heart i say
freak peacefully
Jeff g
please contact Rachel or myself on or off list if we can offer any support
we love you and feel your pain

One step Done and Another Begun and i wonder how many miles…

Thought I heard a Young man moan this morning…
I Guess It Doesn’t Matter Anywaaaaaay…..
We Love You..
Jeff and Rachel Ibo couple Ibo lovers Ibo -naunts

On 4/27/05, Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com> wrote:
Dear Ron,
You are a sheep in wolf’s clothing–your kind words are definately not the
“I, me, my,” that one would expect of an addict.
That you don’t know me, but were still moved to send your kind thoughts
tells me much about the quality of you as a human being.
I also don’t know you, but I still feel much compassion for you.  I have
been where you are, as my husband was, and I know the hell it is.
For anyone who wants to know–my clean life is still intact.  Even this does
not make me want to use again.  Besides, Patrick was always so proud of my
time–8 years clean and sober–he would kill me if I picked up.
Just as a response to a previous communication of yours:  Patrick did two
terms, one 4 years and one of 5 years, while I spent 11 months and 16 days
at Club Fed.  Those feet wet enough for you?
Love to you, and wishes for you to find freedom–
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

> i don’t know you but this blows me away. nothing can diminish the pain, i
> too am so sorry to hear this. ron davis
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
>
>
> >I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
> >kidding” or something…
> > Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo?
> > I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the
internet
> > there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this,
> > just to wind up people who post in good faith.  So when I hear news like
> > this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it.
> > And again I apologize for that.
> >
> > If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
> > iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
> > wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation,
> > and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
> > treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and
> > me.    It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the
discovery
> > process you will discover information that could prevent this happening
to
> > someone else.   I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that
you
> > uncover.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Carlton
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
> > Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
> >
> > Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday.  It was very sudden, and we won’t
> > really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
> > weeks.
> > Pam
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com >
> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
> >
> >
> >> By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?
> >
> >
> >
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 12:58:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m going to take a dangerous leap with my health and drugs, i too would rather die than live this way any longer 40years is long enough. i’m going against advice.stay the course and spread the word. wet feet and all. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a copy of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did speak to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just
to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I
hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I
apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

> By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 12:51:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

god bless you and your family. wet feet and all, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Dear Ron,
You are a sheep in wolf’s clothing–your kind words are definately not the
“I, me, my,” that one would expect of an addict.
That you don’t know me, but were still moved to send your kind thoughts
tells me much about the quality of you as a human being.
I also don’t know you, but I still feel much compassion for you. I have
been where you are, as my husband was, and I know the hell it is.
For anyone who wants to know–my clean life is still intact. Even this does
not make me want to use again. Besides, Patrick was always so proud of my
time–8 years clean and sober–he would kill me if I picked up.
Just as a response to a previous communication of yours: Patrick did two
terms, one 4 years and one of 5 years, while I spent 11 months and 16 days
at Club Fed. Those feet wet enough for you?
Love to you, and wishes for you to find freedom–
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

i don’t know you but this blows me away. nothing can diminish the pain, i
too am so sorry to hear this. ron davis
—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

>I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
>kidding” or something…
> Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking > ibo?
> I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the
internet
> there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this,
> just to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news > like
> this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it.
> And again I apologize for that.
>
> If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
> iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause > for
> wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation,
> and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
> treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and
> me.    It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the
discovery
> process you will discover information that could prevent this happening
to
> someone else.   I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that
you
> uncover.
>
> Regards,
> Carlton
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
> Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
>
> Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
> really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8
> weeks.
> Pam
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 12:15:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,
You are a sheep in wolf’s clothing–your kind words are definately not the
“I, me, my,” that one would expect of an addict.
That you don’t know me, but were still moved to send your kind thoughts
tells me much about the quality of you as a human being.
I also don’t know you, but I still feel much compassion for you. I have
been where you are, as my husband was, and I know the hell it is.
For anyone who wants to know–my clean life is still intact. Even this does
not make me want to use again. Besides, Patrick was always so proud of my
time–8 years clean and sober–he would kill me if I picked up.
Just as a response to a previous communication of yours: Patrick did two
terms, one 4 years and one of 5 years, while I spent 11 months and 16 days
at Club Fed. Those feet wet enough for you?
Love to you, and wishes for you to find freedom–
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

i don’t know you but this blows me away. nothing can diminish the pain, i
too am so sorry to hear this. ron davis
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the
internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this,
just to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like
this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it.
And again I apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation,
and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative
treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and
me.    It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the
discovery
process you will discover information that could prevent this happening
to
someone else.   I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that
you
uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 27, 2005 at 12:06:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am so sorry to say that it is true. We don’t know at this point exactly
what caused it. The coroner’s office has agree to provide me with a copy of
their report, when it becomes available. I will certainly share their
findings.
Know this: Early yesterday morning, Patrick was exhausted, but did speak to
me to say, “I know I’m finally free. I don’t have to use again. I love
you, and I’m sorry I’m just too tired to talk.”
I am angry that he’s gone, but I will say this. I know him better than
anyone else, and I know he would far rather have died a free man than lived
a slave.
If his passing provides information that saves someone else’s life down the
line, he would be pleased. I will still be pissed off, but would at least
be able to say SOMETHING good came of it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just
kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo?
I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet
there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just
to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I
hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I
apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences.    I don’t know if
iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for
wondering.   What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and
because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments,
that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me.    It is
small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you
will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else.
I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] wuzup wit dis?
Date: April 26, 2005 at 11:25:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

phantom.com
mindvox.com

damn noriega what be this

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 26, 2005 at 9:10:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i don’t know you but this blows me away. nothing can diminish the pain, i too am so sorry to hear this. ron davis
—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo? I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences. I don’t know if iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for wondering. What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me. It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else. I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8 weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

From: Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 26, 2005 at 8:58:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess I am trying to process this, waiting for someone to say “just kidding” or something…
Do you really mean to tell us your husband died 3 days after taking ibo? I’m sorry even to question it; I hope you understand that on the internet there are a lot of people who would perpetuate cruel hoaxes like this, just to wind up people who post in good faith. So when I hear news like this, I hope it isn’t true, and my first reaction is to disbelieve it. And again I apologize for that.

If it’s indeed true, I offer my deepest condolences. I don’t know if iboga was responsible, honestly, but the circumstances do give cause for wondering. What I do know is that there is a risk in experimentation, and because the FDA shirks its responsibility in testing innovative treatments, that burden of risk must be taken on by people like you and me. It is small comfort to you, but it’s possible that in the discovery process you will discover information that could prevent this happening to someone else. I hope you’ll consider sharing any new knowledge that you uncover.

Regards,
Carlton

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno <pam@lviue.com>
Sent: Apr 27, 2005 8:56 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8 weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

From: “NICHOLS, THOMAS E $PB$” <tn1413@sbc.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report
Date: April 26, 2005 at 7:58:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:47 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report

Thanks,

That is a really interesting questionnaire and glad you were able to
benefit
from ibogaine. www.utoronto.ca/qol

Howard

In a message dated 4/26/05 4:00:33 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net writes:

I can confirm the immediate short term positive affects of Ibogaine on
my will to meaning by my own internal experience. But, being somewhat
of
a “monkey scientist” I like external confirmation of what I see.
Perhaps
it’s a sort of externalization of a mirror neuron function to see ones
self and ones reality reflected back in “objective” ways, but in any
case,
I found a tool which measures quality of life issues that is available
from a University of Toronto site. (www.utoronto.ca/qol). To quote
from
the site “The profile emphazies individuals physical, psychological,
and
spiritual functioning; their connections with their environments; and
opportunities
for maintaining and enhancing skills.”

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 26, 2005 at 7:56:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sadly, Patrick passed away yesterday. It was very sudden, and we won’t
really know what happened until the coroner’s report is ready in 6-8 weeks.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t think I
did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and very
still.

Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, or
whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t find
the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the
ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those who
have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself wouldn’t
ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under someone
with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone
else
who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter lack of
“I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on things,
and
finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate
prescriptions
to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any time
I
felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with ibogaine
every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or
right
up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single
thing
wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other
harm-reducing
option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why insist
on
making things as difficult or painful as possible?
That’s my own personal opinion today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m
burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>;
<ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick
and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever
it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and
his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—–Original Message—–
From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
To: dpfca@drugsense.org
Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition

Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***

It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
in extremely grave condition.

Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.

His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
<JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.

I’ll post updates as needed.

take care — peace — ashley in atlanta

Dear Friends,

Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.

Steph Sherer

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report
Date: April 26, 2005 at 7:47:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks,

That is a really interesting questionnaire and glad you were able to benefit
from ibogaine. www.utoronto.ca/qol

Howard

In a message dated 4/26/05 4:00:33 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net writes:

I can confirm the immediate short term positive affects of Ibogaine on
my will to meaning by my own internal experience. But, being somewhat of
a “monkey scientist” I like external confirmation of what I see. Perhaps
it’s a sort of externalization of a mirror neuron function to see ones
self and ones reality reflected back in “objective” ways, but in any case,
I found a tool which measures quality of life issues that is available
from a University of Toronto site. (www.utoronto.ca/qol). To quote from
the site “The profile emphazies individuals physical, psychological, and
spiritual functioning; their connections with their environments; and
opportunities
for maintaining and enhancing skills.”

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report
Date: April 26, 2005 at 6:07:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for posting this note, lots to think about here, but I can’t really reply much more than that right now.
Congrats on your session.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: <darkmattersfo@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report

I just did my Ibo three days ago. Here are a few of my thoughts and some results:

I think by nature I must be somewhat of an existentialist. I have explored various faiths, tried them on for size and finally settled in on being a non-theist. A non-theist being one who believes that the whether god exists or not is irrelevant to how we live our lives. In essence, ethics are the highest goal.

Since my ibogaine experience (3 days ago) I would add compassion and comfort to my fellow creatures as among other high goals.

For years I’ve sought meaning in various systems and finally came to the existential conclusion that there is no ultimate meaning, in a way that most of us seek. Rather, we create our own personal meaning in the world. It is that meaning that carries us through the various epochs of suffering that accompanies our personal lives.

Throughout my many years of self-medication I learned, over and over, that when the medication stopped the “claw and tooth” reality of life’s imperative to promote itself would eventually overwhelm me. Like the liberated concentration camp internee of Viktor Frankl’s “Man Search For Meaning”, I was unable to enjoy the simply freedoms and beauty of being free from my captivity. I would eventually return to my chemical imprisonment.

This time, I knew I needed a life worth living. I needed to focus on the quality of my life, and its meaning, outside of addiction and that stopping my self medication was just a first step. This I did through a harm reduction program.

For me, its all about quality of life. I medicated myself for years with various substances as a way to avoid pain and, at least initially, to increase pleasure. In this way, Jack Trimpey of AVRT fame was right when he said that addiction indicates that the old reptilian brain was working very well in seeking pleasure and avoidance of pain. The problem arises in that the old reptilian brain does not see consequences, rather only immediate relief. My addiction gave me immediate releif and allowed me to survive an otherwise meaningless life for years and for that I am thankful.

As strong as the pleasure seeking/pain avoidance function was, it was not enough. I was called back to a more fully human life again.

I’ve been through recovery multiple times, each with some success. But I always became stuck in fear that my addiction was just right around the corner, waiting to catch me off guard. And I would focus only on staying clean within a rigid view that did not allow me to live in the fullness of life. Both its sorrow and its joy.

I can confirm the immediate short term positive affects of Ibogaine on my will to meaning by my own internal experience. But, being somewhat of a “monkey scientist” I like external confirmation of what I see. Perhaps it’s a sort of externalization of a mirror neuron function to see ones self and ones reality reflected back in “objective” ways, but in any case, I found a tool which measures quality of life issues that is available from a University of Toronto site. (www.utoronto.ca/qol). To quote from the site “The profile emphazies individuals physical, psychological, and spiritual functioning; their connections with their environments; and opportunities for maintaining and enhancing skills.”

The tool consists of various questions about how important various things are to you and how satisfied you are with those things in your life.

The first two times I did the tool ( 6 months before Ibogaine and then 1 month before Ibogaine) my quality of life scores were in the negative range but did improve as I did less substances. The third time I did the tool (2 days after Ibogaine) I had crossed over into the positive range.

Here is the interesting part, the largest increase was in satisfaction in my own spiritual being. I feel at peace with my existential view of the world, our place in it, and in our ultimate fate. At the same time, I believe I can use the QOL tool to help me focus on continuing to increase my quality of life.

I am not a scientist (well, not a degreed one), but I think the impact of Ibogaine on quality of life issues should be pursued.

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Quality of Life – Ibo Report
Date: April 26, 2005 at 3:52:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I just did my Ibo three days ago. Here are a few of my thoughts and some results:

Since my ibogaine experience (3 days ago) I would add compassion and comfort to my fellow creatures as among other high goals.

For years Ive sought meaning in various systems and finally came to the existential conclusion that there is no ultimate meaning, in a way that most of us seek. Rather, we create our own personal meaning in the world. It is that meaning that carries us through the various epochs of suffering that accompanies our personal lives.

Throughout my many years of self-medication I learned, over and over, that when the medication stopped the claw and tooth reality of lifes imperative to promote itself would eventually overwhelm me. Like the liberated concentration camp internee of Viktor Frankls Man Search For Meaning, I was unable to enjoy the simply freedoms and beauty of being free from my captivity. I would eventually return to my chemical imprisonment.

As strong as the pleasure seeking/pain avoidance function was, it was not enough. I was called back to a more fully human life again.

Ive been through recovery multiple times, each with some success. But I always became stuck in fear that my addiction was just right around the corner, waiting to catch me off guard. And I would focus only on staying clean within a rigid view that did not allow me to live in the fullness of life. Both its sorrow and its joy.

I can confirm the immediate short term positive affects of Ibogaine on my will to meaning by my own internal experience. But, being somewhat of a monkey scientist I like external confirmation of what I see. Perhaps its a sort of externalization of a mirror neuron function to see ones self and ones reality reflected back in objective ways, but in any case, I found a tool which measures quality of life issues that is available from a University of Toronto site. (www.utoronto.ca/qol). To quote from the site The profile emphazies individuals physical, psychological, and spiritual functioning; their connections with their environments; and opportunities for maintaining and enhancing skills.

The tool consists of various questions about how important various things are to you and how satisfied you are with those things in your life.

I am not a scientist (well, not a degreed one), but I think the impact of Ibogaine on quality of life issues should be pursued.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….
Date: April 26, 2005 at 1:18:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

5 day run on 10mg. of ambien? avoid x’s i’m a layperson not quaified to give medical advice. know about xanex tho. that stuff for motion sickness works for some, god i wish it still did for me. of course someone will say , no one ever died from a lack of sleep. discounting suicides, probably not. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….

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From: “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] How to purchase ‘IBOGAINE – Rite of Passage’
Date: April 26, 2005 at 12:40:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear People of the List,

I just wanted to inform you about the following;

As the dollar is so low in comparison with the euro, I have been looking
for
a way to be able to offer the DVD’s of Ibogaine – Rite of Passage for a
better price for non-euro countries. We found a way to not pay tax on it,
so
the price we can offer the DVD’s for will be 16.99 euro’s. Sending costs
will still be 3 euro’s.

I hope to have the website up by next week, on which the Paypal shopping
cart will be functional. As soon as that’s done, you will receive a
newsletter.

Best Regards,

Ben De Loenen
Director/Producer

Op 21/4/2005 schreef “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>:

Dear people of the Ibogaine list,

I am the director/producer of the Ibogaine documentary. THe current
website of LunArt Productions is a big disaster, indeed. It’s not
clear, no screenshots, no real online shop,… As I am totally not
familiar with webdesign, I really chose the wrong webdesigner for this
job in the first place. So at the moment I have another webdesigner,
who’s really good and building a much more extendid, easy-to-use and
complete website system and Paypal will be functional on this website.
For this kind of website, I had to change server and move the domain,
which I hope will be done in the next few days, so everything can be
uploaded. Also next to the LunArt Productions site, there will be a
website www.ibogainefilm.com, solely on the Ibogaine documentary,
that’s linked to it. One thing is clear, all this webstuff makes me
crazy! But very, very soon (and I’ve been saying this to people that
sent me an ‘order video’ form before, but due to the whole
reorganizing it didn’t work out), I will post another mail on this
forum to tell everybody it’s FINALLY working.

As for the DVD, the price is 20 euro’s and sending costs are 3 euro’s
for sending it basically to the whole world. The DVD features subtitles
in 5 languages (English, Spanish, French, Dutch and German), a surround
theather and a stereo TV mix of the soundtrack, the trailer, info pages
on the treatment centres that cooperated, organizations involved,…

If there are people that wish to be added to the LunArt Productions
mailing list, to be kept updated on future screenings and broadcast of
the film and new projects, please send a message to
info@lunartproductions.com. To be clear; I don’t give your email
addresses to 3th parties or use them for other purposes and if you like
to unsubscribe afterwards, you just send another message to ask it.
All this info and much more will be on www.lunArtproductions.com soon…
Thanks for the interest in, and appreciation of this 2,5 year project.

Peace,

Ben De Loenen

PS: Preston, thanx for the kind words…

Op 17/4/2005 schreef “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>:

It is an AWESOME video, the one by Ben de Loenen- I watched it as soon as I
could crawl from the bed to my x-box and put it in yesterday. Really was a
perfect video for me and V to watch after that travail.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Carla Barnes” <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine video and good luck preston!!! and marc!

Hi again Marc and good luck this time!

Preston!!! sending you good energy!

— mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:
Patrick, your comment on the Ibo DVD when you
say that if you take it more than three times then
the problem is with you” well all I can say to that
is that of course the problem is with us which is
why we are all here in the first place. Iboga is a
tool nothing more. It gives you a chance to work
things out. Like Randy H. so eliquently put it, a
window. After that its up to us.

That’s too funny 🙂 That’s one of the Dr. Mash quotes
in every interview she’s ever done in the last 5 years
😉

Where do I order the ibogaine video??? People come
here and talk about seeing screenings or buying it
somewhere but there is nothing at all on the website.
No price, no way to pay. Nothing nothing nothing!

Am I blind and missing it? All I can find is this

http://lunartproductions.com/html/order.htm

There is no price, no way to input a real order, there
is only a email form. Is it still not released??

Carla B

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sorry to keep bitchin abouth is but….
Date: April 26, 2005 at 12:33:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 10:29:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah, a very close friend of mine said that often, since i have no personal experiences. he said to have many spikes,, rigs on stand by as one gropes and clogs and coagulates searching for the impossible, dumb guy never learned either, kept trying the impossible, getting off took on a whole new meaning, no quickie in the enco station or your friend’s bathroom. then there was the panic as the realization of failure set in. oxys d/n do well im i’m told..a lot of plastic molecules
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

>in the south there is no h at least in the bible belt. an 80 oxy runs 60
bucks. melt 4 of those and you have a 240 dollar load.<
OOOWWUCH!

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

in the south there is no h at least in the bible belt. an 80 oxy runs 60 bucks. melt 4 of those and you have a 240 dollar load. i promise you , there will not be a visible vein on your body. not that i ever tried it, story is purely anecdotal, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Veins? Veins? LOL, I Have capilaries and a few viens (I admit, they do come back, sorta, after a break of some years) but they rapidly go, “Hey, Preston, Fuck You. We’re going back into hiding,” leaving me whimpering in the bathroom as I try desperately to get well.
Or at least, that’s where I was once again not too long ago.
;-))
But then, two days ago climbing outta the bathtub, what should pop up on my foreleg but a HUGE vein I haven’t seen in years, looking whole and hungry too- it’s the DEVIL I tell you- “Hey Look Preston, a huge willing vein, and that drugstore where you can legally buy .75 cent rigs is just around the corner, RUN!
But I resisted. Weird shit ibogaine, how it somehow allows me to step back, for the most part, and think things through first, again, for the most part.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

you have veins after all these yrs? lucky, i haven’t seen one in decades. dilaudids cooked up nicely in the 70’s before the generics came out. i recently had knee surgery and the doc was compassionate w/ scripts. i ate 25 4mg. to get off, glad insurance paid, knee hurt like hell for a month till he filled again. it all sucks, maybe my day will come soon, well wishes , ron—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Never considered banging it, and don’t think I would- and I used to band ANYTHING I could melt into a needle too once upon a time- but that’s been years (for instance, I get ms-contins along with my dilaudids, but never shot them- but did add water to one once, on the off chance it would work somehow- LOL, I do NOT inject jelly into my veins, no matter how desperate for a “fix” (i.e. needle in my vein, which is such a HUGE part of my addictive problems, that whole ritualistic needle thing, which is one reason why I’m trying new streches to my new Tai Chi video, and still plan on trying yoga, as soon as I can get up early enough on either this Wed or Fri to attend a class a few blocks from my home.
Carry on all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Just listening to this talk about gagging gullets and emptying bowels makes
me ask a question: has anyone ever explored taking it as an injection? No
loss of product, etc. I wouldn’t want to be the first one to try it. On
second thought, maybe it’s not such a good idea to bypass the body’s main
safeguard to OD….

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] hallucinogen myths put to rest
Date: April 26, 2005 at 10:00:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From the article below:

Although people should not try to experiment with drugs bought “off the street” because their purity and potency is always questionable, many people who have used psychedelics in a proper manner have had experiences described as “life-altering” and “holy.” And for victims of trauma or people who would benefit from further exploration into their subconscious, psychedelics can serve as extremely helpful agents.

http://www.star.niu.edu/articles/?id=10006

Hallucinogen myths put to rest

Article By:
. Genevieve Diesing
. gdiesing@northernstar.info

Recently, the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether a church in New Mexico should be able to continue using hallucinogenic tea for religious purposes. The Bush administration has made clear the use of hallucinogens for any reason is illegal and harmful, but depending on how selectively the court applies freedom of religion laws, this regard could change.

It’s not just the Bush administration that views psychedelics as harmful; since we were little we’ve been bombarded with myths and propaganda about the evils of their use, from the preaching of the nationwide D.A.R.E. program to widely circulated wives’ tales. But with rapid scientific discovery, a new perspective about psychedelics is emerging. Extensive medical research has provided evidence that psychedelic drug use can be beneficial to a person’s well being, and now the Food and Drug Administration has begun allowing research with psychedelics for psychotherapy to heal trauma.

NIU’s Thomas Roberts, Ph.D., longtime professor of the course “Psychedelic Mindview” (EPS 492) said he believes this might be just the beginning.

“Now, the D.A.R.E. view is being laid to rest,” Roberts said. “Interest in psychedelics is coming back in a more medical, therapeutic sense.”

With proper, educated use, within a controlled setting (which usually involves determining beforehand if the person in question has any predisposition toward psychedelics) psychedelics can have lifelong positive effects, Roberts said. Although people should not try to experiment with drugs bought “off the street” because their purity and potency is always questionable, many people who have used psychedelics in a proper manner have had experiences described as “life-altering” and “holy.” And for victims of trauma or people who would benefit from further exploration into their subconscious, psychedelics can serve as extremely helpful agents.

“What these drugs do is illuminate and magnify areas of our brain that are not normally accessible,” Roberts said. This is because psychedelics can tune into the area of our brain that psychologists call the transpersonal area, which can cause people to – as Roberts says – “drop one’s identity and feel related with something bigger than themselves.” Obviously, this feeling can have strong correlations with what some people consider religious or spiritual experiences, and for others, it can cause them to explore their reality differently and to challenge their sensory perceptions. This has proved to enrich people’s lives on the whole well after the initial experience and deepen people’s appreciation and understanding of nature, spirituality and many different aspects of the humanities, such as literature or the arts. These experiences are also extremely valuable for people who benefit from their medical service.

One stigma that has stuck like glue to the use of psychedelics is that they are physically harmful. Roberts refutes this, saying it is merely one of the myths that surrounds the issue. “There is no physical damage [caused by psychedelics] that I know of,” he said. “The most realistic danger is that someone might use psychedelics that shouldn’t be and have traumatizing psychological results.” Roberts advised that people who are given psychedelics for medical use should be screened beforehand to be sure using them would be appropriate.

Whether or not the Supreme Court decides hallucinogens should be accessible for religious services, the attitude toward psychedelics on the whole is in the process of major transformation. If people wish to further their knowledge about this subject, they can sign up for Roberts’ course next semester. And for those who are still trying to decide how they feel about it, keep this quotation (Richard Rudgley, “Essential Substances in Society,” from the EPS 492 course syllabus) in mind: “Humans have an innate need to experience altered states of consciousness. To ignore or repress our own natures in this way is to neglect our own capacities.”

Columns reflect the opinion of the author and not necessarily that of the Northern Star staff

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 9:48:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in the south there is no h at least in the bible belt. an 80 oxy runs 60
bucks. melt 4 of those and you have a 240 dollar load.<
OOOWWUCH!

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 9:39:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 9:33:55 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] can understanding ibogaine be far behind, Yes!
Date: April 26, 2005 at 8:54:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

working in the legal field, i can’t wait for the dea and cia to perfect it. they already have listening devices that can hear normal conversation thru brick and concrete walls, but they only use it for the big boys, so if anyone on the list is the head of a cartel, careful i’ve seen the results. while mostly not admissible at trial , it gives them a great jump start on running the junkies down. and they’ll take a junkie as quick as they’ll take a crime boss. this is offered for amusement only and not intended to be legal advice.
ron, the offender to all junkies w/ pc’s including myself..hey i’m high end! peace, it’s a struggle
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] can understanding ibogaine be far behind, Yes!

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Thought some of you might find this article of
interest.

Howard

Mind-reading machine knows what you see

15:26 25 April 2005
NewScientist.com news service

It is possible to read someoneâ?Ts mind by remotely
measuring their brain
activity, researchers have shown. The technique can
even extract information from
subjects that they are not aware of themselves.
So far, it has only been used to identify visual
patterns a subject can see
or has chosen to focus on. But the researchers
speculate the approach might be
extended to probe a personâ?Ts awareness, focus of
attention, memory and
movement intention. In the meantime, it could help
doctors work out if patients
apparently in a coma are actually conscious.

Scientists have already trained monkeys to move a
robotic arm with the power
of thought and to recreate scenes moving in front of
cats by recording
information directly from the felineâ?Ts neurons
(New Scientist print edition, 2
October 1999). But these processes involve
implanting electrodes into their brains
to hook them up to a computer.

Now Yukiyasu Kamitani, at ATR Computational
Neuroscience Laboratories in
Kyoto, Japan, and Frank Tong at Princeton University
in New Jersey, US, have
achieved similar â?omind readingâ?ť feats remotely
using functional MRI scanning.

Between the lines

The pair showed patterns of parallel lines in 1 of 8
orientations to four
volunteers. By focussing on brain regions involved
in visual perception they were
able to recognise which orientation the subjects
were observing.

Each line orientation corresponded to a different
pattern of brain activity,
although the patterns were different in each person.
What is more, when two
sets of lines were superimposed and the subjects
were asked to focus on one set,
the researchers could work out which one they were
thinking of from the brain
images.
In a separate study, also published in Nature
Neuroscience, John-Dylan Haynes
and Geraint Rees at University College London, UK,
showed two patterns in
quick succession to 6 volunteers. The first appeared
for just 15 milliseconds –
too quick to be consciously perceived by the viewer.

But by viewing fMRI images of the brain, the
researchers were able to say
which image had been flashed in front of the
subjects. The information was
perceived in the brain even if the volunteers were
not consciously aware of it.

The study probed the part of the visual cortex that
detects a visual
stimulus, but does not perceive it. â?oIt encodes
what we donâ?Tt see,â?ť Haynes says. He
thinks that, further along the visual pathway, brain
regions consciously take
note that there has been a stimulus. But this does
not happen for the
â?oinvisibleâ?ť stimulus.

Consciousness kicks in

By understanding the perception pathway and working
out the point at which
consciousness kicks in, patient consciousness could
be diagnosed. This would
mean the setup could be used as a
â?oconsciousness-meter,â?ť says Haynes; â?oa device
that allows us to assess whether a patient is
consciously perceiving his or
her outside environment.â?ť

Yang Dan, a neurobiologist at the University of
California in Berkeley,
agrees this would be possible. But she cautions that
there is little agreement over
what consciousness actually is.

More subtle forms of mind-reading such as working
out intentions or beliefs
are much more speculative, she argues. Even if such
subtle information could be
gleaned from brain scans both studies suggest the
patterns are unique to
individuals.
And using the technique as an alternative to the
polygraph would be very
risky, says Dan. â?oThe relationship between brain
patterns and lies may be very
loose.â?ť
Journal reference: Nature Neuroscience (DOI:
10.1038/nn1445 and
10.1038/nn1444)

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 8:43:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 26, 2005 at 8:01:31 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot quote of the day
Date: April 26, 2005 at 2:45:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“…from the underground if you could see it then
you’d understand.”

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Forgiveness in Rain Calms Volcano
Date: April 26, 2005 at 1:50:43 AM EDT
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com, 4n0m4ly@mkultra.cia.gov, cultfunkhero@yahoo.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Rain Washes Out Ash From Pacific Volcano

SAIPAN, Northern Mariana Islands (AP) – Overnight rain
washed away a dusting of ash from Anatahan Volcano,
which continued to erupt on an uninhabited island just
north of this tiny U.S. territory in the Pacific,
authorities said Friday.

“We had a pretty good rain last night,” which
dissolved the ash that had settled on the capital
island of Saipan, said Benjamin Cepeda, a public
information officer with the commonwealth’s Emergency
Management Office.

— Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Perhaps you made an
earlier post of the hcl where you had difficulties.
Can you refresh my mind please. Can you expand on
some of the difficulties with the HCL?

Hi Lee,

Thanks for your words. Yes, I had a difficult hcl
experience. Part of it was the hcl, most of it was
the set&setting/facilitator perhaps, it is so
important to have a experience there when the breaking
of the head occurs.
I don’t want to taint anyone’s workable view so I
think it best I keep the details to minimum on public
list.
Ibogaine is powerful medicine.

I am to the point of forgivness of that experience I
had. I have learned so much from it, I suppose
sometimes I had to bite off more then I can chew and
just chew like crazy. At least, that’s what some
radio preacher says…who knows.

The extract or the HCL is not what
eboga is about. They are simply the catalyst, the
key to the door. There is not one eboga for the
extract and another for the HCL. They are both the
same.

THIS IS SOMETHING I AM INTERESTED IN, I.E., MORE
STUDY ON THE VARIOUS ALKALOIDS AND THEIR EFFECTS AS
WELL AS THE HUMAN RESPONSE TO TOLERANCE ETC. THE
LARGE NO OF ALKALOIDS IMO ALTERS THE OUTCOME
CONSIDERABLY COMPARED TO THE SINGLE ALKALOID HCL.
I.E. THERE ARE MORE VARIABLES AND WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE IMPACTING THE EXPERIENCE
PHYSIOLOGICALLY.

With love,
environment where an environment
of nurturing and support, we can turn out
willing to
share.

your original nature
new and better
approaches will come out
strongly take some time to
reframe
any guide toward
higher ground instinct is because of the ibogaine
there
may be sufficient energy experience right now
which is

pure process

I would not be too worried

with
the HCL

Has anyone wrote about
intense HCL?

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] can understanding ibogaine be far behind, Yes!
Date: April 26, 2005 at 12:40:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Thought some of you might find this article of
interest.

Howard

Mind-reading machine knows what you see

15:26 25 April 2005
NewScientist.com news service

It is possible to read someone’s mind by remotely
measuring their brain
activity, researchers have shown. The technique can
even extract information from
subjects that they are not aware of themselves.
So far, it has only been used to identify visual
patterns a subject can see
or has chosen to focus on. But the researchers
speculate the approach might be
extended to probe a person’s awareness, focus of
attention, memory and
movement intention. In the meantime, it could help
doctors work out if patients
apparently in a coma are actually conscious.

Scientists have already trained monkeys to move a
robotic arm with the power
of thought and to recreate scenes moving in front of
cats by recording
information directly from the feline’s neurons
(New Scientist print edition, 2
October 1999). But these processes involve
implanting electrodes into their brains
to hook them up to a computer.

Now Yukiyasu Kamitani, at ATR Computational
Neuroscience Laboratories in
Kyoto, Japan, and Frank Tong at Princeton University
in New Jersey, US, have
achieved similar “mind reading” feats remotely
using functional MRI scanning.

Between the lines

The study probed the part of the visual cortex that
detects a visual
stimulus, but does not perceive it. “It encodes
what we don’t see,” Haynes says. He
thinks that, further along the visual pathway, brain
regions consciously take
note that there has been a stimulus. But this does
not happen for the
“invisible” stimulus.

Consciousness kicks in

By understanding the perception pathway and working
out the point at which
consciousness kicks in, patient consciousness could
be diagnosed. This would
mean the setup could be used as a
“consciousness-meter,” says Haynes; “a device
that allows us to assess whether a patient is
consciously perceiving his or
her outside environment.”

Yang Dan, a neurobiologist at the University of
California in Berkeley,
agrees this would be possible. But she cautions that
there is little agreement over
what consciousness actually is.

More subtle forms of mind-reading such as working
out intentions or beliefs
are much more speculative, she argues. Even if such
subtle information could be
gleaned from brain scans both studies suggest the
patterns are unique to
individuals.
And using the technique as an alternative to the
polygraph would be very
risky, says Dan. “The relationship between brain
patterns and lies may be very
loose.”
Journal reference: Nature Neuroscience (DOI:
10.1038/nn1445 and
10.1038/nn1444)

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] “aftercare” and other holograms
Date: April 26, 2005 at 12:28:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you both for your reply.

please contact the Aftercare Co-ordinator, Leah Martin
at: aftercare@ibogatherapyhouse.net

She has it figured out.

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 25 April 2005 02:22
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is
beginning to drive me
nuts !!!!!!!!

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:47:15 -0700 Morning Wood
<morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
— slowone@hush.ai wrote:
I think aftercare can help sort out these
battles.

I don’t understand what you mean when you say
aftercare. I see the term come up often, but see
little agreement when I see anyone try to define
exactly what it is. Just wondering.

I left it vague on purpose because different
things may all work.

Pschotherapy is what I had in mind, but a common
theme for 99.8% of
the cases that work out well probably involves
being helped by
another human being who has dealt with some of the
issues of
recovery from whatever it is or from something
sufficiently
analogous. Supervised group therapy and/or
structured self-help
groups like recovery or survivors groups might be
the best for
cost. How much you need, what it is, all depends
on who you are,
what you have done to yourself, what was done to
you, and how
intimately you are already integrated into the
human clan.

The strength of a safely structured group (say a
ritualistic
ayahuasca church) can evoke the feelings of
relating to parents in
childhood and help one replace old and sad
energies with something
more positive. If you want to rebuild your
personality, one-on-one
psychotherapy might be the ultimate. (By the way,
the therapist who
wrote the book I was quoting earlier notes in
passing that if you
can train yourself to have positive, healthy
thoughts/fantasies
around orgasm – typically masturbation – this can
have lead to
startling improvement.) There are plenty of modes
I have no
experience of. Also my own experience doesn’t
include addiction.

Yes, personally, I have read quite a few aftercare
strategies for ibogaine
and what I think is often missing is…other people!
There often seems to be
a big focussing on this therapy or that meditation
and for me what is being
missed a bit is the daily reality of interacting
with others. I was only in
the Cameroun a short time when I did iboga myself,
and I’ve only had
exposure to the limited writings on the Bwiti others
have done but what I
have seen is the incredible importance that Bwiti
places on social reality,
interraction, and structure. The three days and
nights of “ngoze” are
totally social affairs where everything is being
done by the group together,
everyone playing a role. The “banzie,” the initiate,
seems to emerge from
the process with a clear place in the lower end of
the social hierachy of
the group and must regularly continue to take part
in the life of the
temple. It’s an ongoing process, not a one-shot
strategy that leaves you
alone to devise ways of handling your shit.

I have read many times people arguing that iboga is
better than ibogaine and
vice-versa because one is holistic or the other is
cleaner or whatever but,
for me personally, this is a very minor issue. What
I think is far more
important is that aftercare is taken into account
and that, if a truly Bwiti
approach is to be followed, that it must have a
strong element of social
partication. Practically, in the west, I guess this
means rehab and that the
individual enters an environment where they can
re-learn how to live their
life, where they take the opportunity to experience
and share what is
actually happening with them at a more primal level,
issues that the
addictive behaviour is covering up. For me, I find
this the more holistic
approach with all the meditations, personal
therapies, and chanting the more
idiosyncratic.

For sure, right now, there is no ibo-centred rehab
but if more people
detoxing on ibogaine enter regular rehab and show
themselves it must come.
At the moment, I know some have gone to the
Humaniversity in Holland, which
I think is the best choice though I haven’t been
able to follow anyone up
properly yet.

Nick

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 25, 2005 at 10:24:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 4/25/05 6:51:30 PM, carltonb@mindspring.com writes:

Just listening to this talk about gagging gullets and emptying bowels makes
me ask a question: has anyone ever explored taking it as an injection?
No
loss of product, etc. I wouldn’t want to be the first one to try it.
On
second thought, maybe it’s not such a good idea to bypass the body’s main
safeguard to OD….

Rats show biphasic swings in blood pressure and toxicity increases ten fold.
That’s enough to give me concern.

Howard

From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga introduction routes
Date: April 25, 2005 at 6:43:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Dr. Jay Cavanaugh dies April 25, 2005
Date: April 25, 2005 at 5:07:24 PM EDT
To: “CERJ” <CERJ@igc.org>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello All.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but Dr. Jay Cavanaugh passed away today in California.

His bio from Under the Influence:
—–

Jay R. Cavanaugh served as a gubernatorial appointee to the California Board of Pharmacy from 1980-90. During his tenure he helped create and supervise the Boards enforcement program to stem the flood of pharmaceutical sedatives and narcotics to the black market. Cavanaugh received his baccalaureate degree in Biology from California State University, Northridge and his doctorate in Biological Chemistry from Tulane University.
—-

His contribution to Under the Influence (reprinted from an article he graciously gave me sans payment to publish at DrugWar.com in 2003, just as he did with every article he gave me to use- though he was compensated minutely for the use of his article Reckless Disregard- linked below- in UTI, as that was a bit more businesslike and contractual and all) was brilliant in my opinion, as were his contributions to DrugWar.com. He will be missed greatly by me and by many others I’m sure.
Please remember him and his family in your prayers or whatever it is you do to communicate with the greater surroundings. Thank you all.
Also, if you don’t mind, please forward this to any and all lists that may have people concerned about ending the War on Some Drugs and Users and real reporting, again, please. His writing deserves to read by as many people as possible, even just these few examples.
Thanks.

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/drjayreckless.shtm

Reckless Disregard
(Reprinted in “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs,”
The Disinformation Company, NY, 2004)
by Jay R. Cavanaugh, PhD
Member, California State Board of Pharmacy 1980-90
posted at DrugWar.com
January 21, 2003
There are several mass murderers loose in America. Collectively they kill more innocent men, women, and children than all the drunk drivers, illicit drug pushers, and gang bangers combined.
This collection of serial killers with reckless disregard of human life, extinguishes the hopes and lives of over 100,000 Americans every year. In the past decade they are responsible for over one million innocents yet not only have they not faced justice, they have enriched themselves with profits that would make Bill Gates envious.
These parasitic killers come not from some cave in Afghanistan, but from plush office suites. They don’t have tattoos, assault rifles, or long hair. They dress well, they speak well, and they prey on the most common human weakness, hope. They claim their aim is to treat the sick, cure the ill, and enrich life while the reality is far more than brutal. Not only do many of their lethal and toxic products not help many of the people counting on them but even when they do help, such as the case with life sustaining AIDS drugs, they are withheld from all but those few who can afford to pay prices that are akin to blackmail. Millions in Africa, South America, and elsewhere are dying from their inability to pay for overpriced drugs and every effort to provide humanitarian supplies, even in the midst of epidemics, has been resisted in court.
The depredations, scope, and callousness of these modern killers make Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy pale in comparison. These murderers in three piece suits and designer dresses kill more Americans in an hour than any mass murderer could hope to kill in a lifetime.
Collectively these pitiless people have engaged in the longest running and most destructive continuing criminal enterprise in history. Who are they? They are nameless and faceless executives who hide behind the alleged respectability of names like Eli Lilly, GlaxcoSmithKline, Merck and Co., Pfizer, and many more. At least the psychotics Manson and Gacy were aware at some level that they were killers. Not the drug companies. To them, the deaths are nothing more than the unavoidable collateral damage in the war on disease and the pursuit of earnings.
snip-

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http://www.drugwar.com/cavanaughnewsalem.shtm

The New Salem
Jay R. Cavanaugh, PhD
Posted at DrugWar.com
February 27, 2003
snip-
The dawn of the Age of Enlightenment began in America with a horror story that profoundly influenced the development of Justice in the emerging nation. No longer would citizens be tortured, presumed guilty, or face scurrilous charges based on unscientific evidence such as the description of the “specters” of the alleged witches who allegedly tortured the hysterical girls. Church and State would be separate and inviolate.
At least that’s what we thought.

snip-
—–

http://www.drugwar.com/mousecoughed.shtm

The Mouse That Coughed
-the sad tale of Stuart Little, pot addict-
Jay R. Cavanaugh, PhD
December 2002
posted at DrugWar.com Dec. 10, 2002
We were all shocked when disclosures were made that the CIA promoted the sale and distribution of crack cocaine in minority neighborhoods. How low can a government sink?
Today’s announcement of the untimely death of Stuart Little tells us just how low. Unknown to many, film star and celebrity mouse Stuart Little worked his way through the Actors Studio by moonlighting at UCLA as a laboratory mouse. In later years Stuart’s agency, William Morris, hid the tawdry details of Stuart’s early efforts to survive in Hollywood. They also hid the fact that Stuart had participated in government research on marijuana which resulted in a life long addiction.
snip-
—–
Above are some of the articles he allowed me to use over the past few years. Again, I will miss Jay a lot, and miss his messages to me, which even when pointing out this or that great injustice or stupidity would usually make me smile. He was very funny, very open and warm, and I will always regret never having had the opportunity to meet him face to face in person. It’s odd how much someone can mean to me only having met them through email exchanges, but I’ve found it to be the case on many more than one occasion now.
Let’s hope the herb is good and plentiful, all the time, whereever he is now.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Tony Spencer <bodyenglish@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Tobacco smokers are self-medicating for anxiety and depression
Date: April 25, 2005 at 5:02:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hullo from Canada,

I saw this posting re: tobacco smokers and had to pitch in. With all due respect, I’m not a heroin addict but I’ve smoked nicotine (aka ‘self-medicating’) for 30 years (sounding quite a bit in my own mind like Preston Peet’s stream of consciousness post).

Two months ago today I quit cigarettes cold turkey on the strength of having read the amazingly persuasive Allen Carr book coinciding with a most extraordinary solo magic mushroom trip potentiated with Syrian Rue (sometimes called a ‘shroomahuasca’). In essence, I think the mushrooms did for me what the ibogaine does for various souls in this group.

In essence, I experienced a evolutionary rebirth of self in a vision state that led me to the revelation (as simple as it is) that I was not born a smoker – and I revisited the points in my life where the addiction first took hold and realized that at the time, I was merely prey for a monster that’s been at it for a long time…

In my altered state, I was able to tune into that unmistakeable sense of the eternal moment – of the ‘now’. My logic was that if every I was going to quit, it would have to be ‘now’ or never — taking that phrase ‘there’s no time like the present’ quite literally.

My method was in part inspired by reading about a heroin addict who in a trip report on Erowid claimed to have kicked it after an especially profound mushroom trip. So I guess this is coming full circle now — I didn’t learn about ibogaine therapy until after my own experience and reading the posts here (and the literature elsewere) is a revelation.

Knock on wood, I aspire to never smoke again. I can say nothing on the subject of ibogaine therapy other than that for whatever the affliction, when you find the moment, you can find the way.

chrs,

Tony Spencer

On Monday, April 25, 2005, at 08:52 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [DrugWar] Tobacco smokers are self-medicating for anxiety and depression

Boy does this posted article sound familiar and rings a buncha bells for me, as somone who is desperately trying to at LEAST cut down my smoking (quitting just doesn’t yet seem to be in the cards, though cutting down has been happening since my last ibogaine session last weekend). Still, I find myself beating myself up because I can’t just “quit” smoking, but now Dear Jules has posted a perfect article for me to point to, as a struggling, “I really do wanna quit honey, I PROMISE” person.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Jules Siegel” <siegel@cafecancun.com>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [DrugWar] Tobacco smokers are self-medicating for anxiety and depression

<http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-smoking25apr25,0,4108264.story?coll=la-home-health>

Beyond a craving

# Despite all the evidence, why do some still smoke? Smokers suffer more depression and other mental disorders, studies show, yet nicotine may actually help them cope.

By Charles Duhigg, Times Staff Writer

Recent studies show smokers are 4.7 times more likely than the population at large to suffer from major depression. Dozens of other surveys reveal cigarette users are more liable to struggle with anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, alcoholism and drug use. Smokers consistently demonstrate higher-than-average levels of neuroticism and high-risk behaviors, and show poorer impulse control than nonsmokers.

“People who smoke today are, for the most part, people who are addicted in unique ways,” said David Gilbert, a professor at Southern Illinois University who examines how nicotine affects the brain.

A recent study also shows daily smokers are more likely to consider or attempt suicide. Published last month in the Archives of General Psychiatry, the study examined the smoking habits of nearly 900 Detroit-area residents during a 10-year period; they were also interviewed about other health habits. Researchers at Michigan State University and the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit found that daily smokers were 174% more likely than nonsmokers and occasional cigarette consumers to seriously consider or attempt suicide, even after the results were adjusted for prior depression.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: FBI linguist won’t deny 911 drug money tied to elections
Date: April 25, 2005 at 2:20:45 PM EDT
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is one of those cases where if the national mainstream media were really doing their job, we might actually make a freakin’ dent in the whole War on Some Drugs and Users- I mean, towards ending it of course, a big dent towards ending it.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: TomFlocco@cs.com
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: FBI linguist won’t deny 911 drug money tied to elections

FBI linguist won’t deny 911 drug money tied to election coffers
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=109
Washington — April 25, 2005 — TomFlocco.com — Former FBI contract translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and her attorneys were ordered removed from the E. Barrett Prettyman U.S. Courthouse so that a three-judge U.S. Court of Appeals panel could discuss her case in private with Bush administration lawyers.

In an exclusive interview on Saturday, we asked Edmonds if she would deny that laundered drug money linked to the 911 attacks found its way into recent House, Senate and Presidential campaign war-chests, according to what she heard in intelligence intercepts she was asked to translate. READ MORE

From: Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey
Date: April 25, 2005 at 1:21:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I should add. I had strong bowel movement when I took it orally and not to my mind when I took it anally – except there was pressure etc in that region as mentioned below. I mention the need for a clean insides as ibogaine can bring on strong bowel movements when taken orally in my experience. This may not be the case when taken anally. I don’t really know.
Lee

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the
>rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before
>hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing
>the ibogaine anally.<

Just to note,
Personally, I have major portions of both large and small intestines
missing from a car accident. I ate dinner the night before doing ibogaine
(which I regretted due to all that throwing up from being dope sick/hungover
the next day pre-ibogaine). I had not been able to go to the bathroom that
morning more than once, even with the loose bowels I get from dopesickness.
But I had no trouble whatsoever with the ibogaine loosening my bowels. This
is just me mind you.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey

Hi Synn,

I also took it annally and looking back I would have done it the first time
round also if I had known about it. I recommend anyone going for detox to
take it annally. It has a lot of terrific advantages.

Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the
rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before
hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing
the ibogaine anally.

The first ibogaine experience I had I went to the toilet until there was
absolutely nothing inside me. My whole insides were pushing down with force
on my rear end emptying out.

I mention the additional amount required because one provider said this to
me. I cannot verified it objectively and wondered if anyone else had
observations on the dose levels taking anally vis a vis effectiveness?

You state it comes on stronger anally and that is true in a localised sense
but it does not mean necessarily that the overall body effect is stronger –
just the region where it has been placed experiences a stronger effect than
say via the stomach? Although I would imagine that the dosage is the same
regardless of which opening it is inserted into?

with Love,

Lee

synn stern wrote:
Lee & all:

hope this comment is not coming too late (I’m an infrequent email-reader & a
very quite list member) but usually medications taken via rectal-insertion
come on STRONGER than they would by mouth. therefore, normally you’d need
LESS of whatever you were planning to take by mouth.

the anal route’s an excellent method of drug administraion: bio-efficent,
cost effective, and far less rough on the gut where nausua is concerned.
(used it that way myself)

Synn
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>I have a question for you on the anal use of ibogaine:
>
>Did you use a higher dose and if so by what percentage? 10%?
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] can understanding ibogaine be far behind, Yes!
Date: April 25, 2005 at 12:41:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thought some of you might find this article of interest.

Howard

Mind-reading machine knows what you see

15:26 25 April 2005
NewScientist.com news service

It is possible to read someone’s mind by remotely measuring their brain
activity, researchers have shown. The technique can even extract information from
subjects that they are not aware of themselves.
So far, it has only been used to identify visual patterns a subject can see
or has chosen to focus on. But the researchers speculate the approach might be
extended to probe a person’s awareness, focus of attention, memory and
movement intention. In the meantime, it could help doctors work out if patients
apparently in a coma are actually conscious.

Scientists have already trained monkeys to move a robotic arm with the power
of thought and to recreate scenes moving in front of cats by recording
information directly from the feline’s neurons (New Scientist print edition, 2
October 1999). But these processes involve implanting electrodes into their brains
to hook them up to a computer.

Now Yukiyasu Kamitani, at ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories in
Kyoto, Japan, and Frank Tong at Princeton University in New Jersey, US, have
achieved similar “mind reading” feats remotely using functional MRI scanning.

Between the lines

The pair showed patterns of parallel lines in 1 of 8 orientations to four
volunteers. By focussing on brain regions involved in visual perception they were
able to recognise which orientation the subjects were observing.

Each line orientation corresponded to a different pattern of brain activity,
although the patterns were different in each person. What is more, when two
sets of lines were superimposed and the subjects were asked to focus on one set,
the researchers could work out which one they were thinking of from the brain
images.
In a separate study, also published in Nature Neuroscience, John-Dylan Haynes
and Geraint Rees at University College London, UK, showed two patterns in
quick succession to 6 volunteers. The first appeared for just 15 milliseconds –
too quick to be consciously perceived by the viewer.

But by viewing fMRI images of the brain, the researchers were able to say
which image had been flashed in front of the subjects. The information was
perceived in the brain even if the volunteers were not consciously aware of it.

The study probed the part of the visual cortex that detects a visual
stimulus, but does not perceive it. “It encodes what we don’t see,” Haynes says. He
thinks that, further along the visual pathway, brain regions consciously take
note that there has been a stimulus. But this does not happen for the
“invisible” stimulus.

Consciousness kicks in

By understanding the perception pathway and working out the point at which
consciousness kicks in, patient consciousness could be diagnosed. This would
mean the setup could be used as a “consciousness-meter,” says Haynes; “a device
that allows us to assess whether a patient is consciously perceiving his or
her outside environment.”

Yang Dan, a neurobiologist at the University of California in Berkeley,
agrees this would be possible. But she cautions that there is little agreement over
what consciousness actually is.

More subtle forms of mind-reading such as working out intentions or beliefs
are much more speculative, she argues. Even if such subtle information could be
gleaned from brain scans both studies suggest the patterns are unique to
individuals.
And using the technique as an alternative to the polygraph would be very
risky, says Dan. “The relationship between brain patterns and lies may be very
loose.”
Journal reference: Nature Neuroscience (DOI: 10.1038/nn1445 and
10.1038/nn1444)

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches! re:Preston
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:46:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I think it was me you quoted. I assume ibo’s like God, who cares if it exists , if the belief brings you relief, bring it on. I wasn’t stating I thought it not worth while to take ibo, i’m not qualified , merely asking vet’s what they hoped the final outcome would be after a session. I glean it’s a continuum. I’ve been gestalted, transactionally analyzed, 12 stepped, detoxed, maintained, had adventures in attitudes and weaved baskets, everything but shock treatment and nothing has lasted. I don’t care why I get screwed up, I would like to stop. If I were back in the city as you , it would be more difficult…it’s bad enough in the bible belt. did you video your suppository session for educational purposes for neophytes like myself?
my original question, unlike most of my rants was for info, not to criticize. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

I’m kinda surprised to hear he wanted you in the room with him at all times. I kept telling my friend and my lover to both Leave Me Alone Please, and Quit Asking if I’m Still Breathing Please Too.
;-))

I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t think I did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and very still.

Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, or whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t find the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those who have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself wouldn’t ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under someone with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone else who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter lack of “I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on things, and finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate prescriptions to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any time I felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with ibogaine every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or right up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single thing wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other harm-reducing option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why insist on making things as difficult or painful as possible?
That’s my own personal opinion today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>; <ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

> —–Original Message—–
> From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
> Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
> To: dpfca@drugsense.org
> Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
> condition
>
>
>    Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***
>
>    It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
> hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
> in extremely grave condition.
>
>   Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.
>
>   His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
> 346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
> <JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.
>
>   I’ll post updates as needed.
>
>    take care   —   peace   —   ashley in atlanta
>
> PS:   Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
> Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
> —
> —-
> Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
> 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern > California
> politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
vulnerable
> patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.
>
> Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.
>
> Steph Sherer
>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:39:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing the ibogaine anally.<

Just to note,
Personally, I have major portions of both large and small intestines missing from a car accident. I ate dinner the night before doing ibogaine (which I regretted due to all that throwing up from being dope sick/hungover the next day pre-ibogaine). I had not been able to go to the bathroom that morning more than once, even with the loose bowels I get from dopesickness. But I had no trouble whatsoever with the ibogaine loosening my bowels. This is just me mind you.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey

Hi Synn,

I also took it annally and looking back I would have done it the first time round also if I had known about it. I recommend anyone going for detox to take it annally. It has a lot of terrific advantages.

Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing the ibogaine anally.

The first ibogaine experience I had I went to the toilet until there was absolutely nothing inside me. My whole insides were pushing down with force on my rear end emptying out.

I mention the additional amount required because one provider said this to me. I cannot verified it objectively and wondered if anyone else had observations on the dose levels taking anally vis a vis effectiveness?

You state it comes on stronger anally and that is true in a localised sense but it does not mean necessarily that the overall body effect is stronger – just the region where it has been placed experiences a stronger effect than say via the stomach? Although I would imagine that the dosage is the same regardless of which opening it is inserted into?

with Love,

Lee

synn stern <synn1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lee & all:

the anal route’s an excellent method of drug administraion: bio-efficent,
cost effective, and far less rough on the gut where nausua is concerned.
(used it that way myself)

Synn
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Lee Albert wrote:
Hi James,

I have a question for you on the anal use of ibogaine:

Did you use a higher dose and if so by what percentage? 10%?

I ask this as my understanding is the dose should be higher when tak! ing
rectally.

Lee

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:33:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was only in
the Cameroun a short time when I did iboga myself, and I’ve only had
exposure to the limited writings on the Bwiti others have done but what I
have seen is the incredible importance that Bwiti places on social reality,
interraction, and structure.<

Which for me raises another interesting couple of points and observations:

One, I find that I am WANTING to go out, to be social, to interact with others as compared to how I felt shooting too much medication each day. I’d not want to go out and be with other people, partly due to that whole, “god, I feel different and kinda shamed,” thing, and partly due to not wanting to be too far for too long from my meds.

Two, the advice I’ve heard from more than one person, that after a treatment a person might consider getting away from their lives for a few weeks, is not always in my mind (nor in V’s by the way, who put it in the following way yesterday) a good idea. Perhaps it is better that those who have done ibogaine do NOT go away for a few weeks or for any time at all. As soon as they are able to get back out into thier lives, their neighborhoods and haunts the better, in that we addict-types need to begin building new pathways in the mind, new learned behaviors and reaction patterns. I was told again and again during my NA/AA/-A years that running away to new locations to escape my disease was not a good idea and would never work, and I kinda actually believe that one. It behooves me to reintegrate as soon as I can to my surroundings, or how else will I EVER do so? Just some basic thoughts for the morning.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:47:15 -0700 Morning Wood
<morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
>— slowone@hush.ai wrote:
>> I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.
>
>
> I don’t understand what you mean when you say
>aftercare. I see the term come up often, but see
>little agreement when I see anyone try to define
>exactly what it is. Just wondering.

I left it vague on purpose because different things may all work.

Pschotherapy is what I had in mind, but a common theme for 99.8% of
the cases that work out well probably involves being helped by
another human being who has dealt with some of the issues of
recovery from whatever it is or from something sufficiently
analogous. Supervised group therapy and/or structured self-help
groups like recovery or survivors groups might be the best for
cost. How much you need, what it is, all depends on who you are,
what you have done to yourself, what was done to you, and how
intimately you are already integrated into the human clan.

The strength of a safely structured group (say a ritualistic
ayahuasca church) can evoke the feelings of relating to parents in
childhood and help one replace old and sad energies with something
more positive. If you want to rebuild your personality, one-on-one
psychotherapy might be the ultimate. (By the way, the therapist who
wrote the book I was quoting earlier notes in passing that if you
can train yourself to have positive, healthy thoughts/fantasies
around orgasm – typically masturbation – this can have lead to
startling improvement.) There are plenty of modes I have no
experience of. Also my own experience doesn’t include addiction.

Yes, personally, I have read quite a few aftercare strategies for ibogaine
and what I think is often missing is…other people! There often seems to be
a big focussing on this therapy or that meditation and for me what is being
missed a bit is the daily reality of interacting with others. I was only in
the Cameroun a short time when I did iboga myself, and I’ve only had
exposure to the limited writings on the Bwiti others have done but what I
have seen is the incredible importance that Bwiti places on social reality,
interraction, and structure. The three days and nights of “ngoze” are
totally social affairs where everything is being done by the group together,
everyone playing a role. The “banzie,” the initiate, seems to emerge from
the process with a clear place in the lower end of the social hierachy of
the group and must regularly continue to take part in the life of the
temple. It’s an ongoing process, not a one-shot strategy that leaves you
alone to devise ways of handling your shit.

I have read many times people arguing that iboga is better than ibogaine and
vice-versa because one is holistic or the other is cleaner or whatever but,
for me personally, this is a very minor issue. What I think is far more
important is that aftercare is taken into account and that, if a truly Bwiti
approach is to be followed, that it must have a strong element of social
partication. Practically, in the west, I guess this means rehab and that the
individual enters an environment where they can re-learn how to live their
life, where they take the opportunity to experience and share what is
actually happening with them at a more primal level, issues that the
addictive behaviour is covering up. For me, I find this the more holistic
approach with all the meditations, personal therapies, and chanting the more
idiosyncratic.

For sure, right now, there is no ibo-centred rehab but if more people
detoxing on ibogaine enter regular rehab and show themselves it must come.
At the moment, I know some have gone to the Humaniversity in Holland, which
I think is the best choice though I haven’t been able to follow anyone up
properly yet.

Nick

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:30:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

good question, i’d send it back w/ heartfelt thanks… i have always paid my own way except in the day of the dope dealer rip offs. i’ll take ibo, health permitting, benzo issue…1k would not even get me high unless i had some of that china white we used in ‘nam. oxy’s don’t work, or should i say 10 80’s don’t work…meth and bup string me out and bup , now after extensive knee surgery recently, stops the pain w/ no buzz. thanks for the thoughtful question, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy

So Ron, after viewing the exchanges here, I guess I’ve got a question. You
have mentioned several times your resentment about being short the money for
treatment. To be honest I can understand this somewhat… I don’t think any
of the Bwiti have spare $1000 lying around, yet they never seem to come up
short on raw material. So why do the rest of us have to make sacrifices
like this just because we live on the unlucky side of a hostile drug policy?
Not to discount the value that the facilitators add, but I think it’s a
legitimate question. So I understand where you’re coming from, in that way
at least.

but my question to you personally is… If somebody sent you a grand for the
ibo treatment, would you spend it on dope or the ibo treatment? The
question is not intended maliciously or sarcastically at all, just an honest
question and food for thought for all of us to reflect upon.

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:25 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy

randy , i appreciate your well thought advice, especially after
i’ve shown
my ass in some of my posts. i have a benzo jones and it’s a
bitch climbing
off. i thought stay on the benzos, use ibo to kick the other
stuff …i’m
going to leap, if my liver profile is ok. i can’t afford kitts
but like the
dude that works w/ mash. he’s a good doc and knows his shit. by
the way, i
snagged a colt python elite, stainless, adjustable sights, hair
trigger, 6″
barrell for 3 bills from a friend.getting a divorce. i remember
you talking
shooting one time and thought you’d appreciate it. shame i can’t
carry it
on my scooter. i refuse to get a permit, background check would
kill me but
i researched all bodies of state and federal law and i’m legit w/
my record.
took some doing. thanks again, i like your straight forwarrd
approach, even
liked jeff’s( i’m done). ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron

> Ron, I guess you are talking about taking benzo’s while under the
> influence
> of Ibogaine. When I took my treatment I took a few 10 mg.
valiums. I came
> off
> of methadone so I had to take the Ibogaine over a period of days and I
> took the
> valiums in between doses to be able to relax enough to get a
nap in before
> the big dose came. Now that said, I don’t think there is a provider > that
> condones taking a regular dose of benzo’s during the treatment, only to
> use them
> ancedontly for the anxiety that may, or may not come up. The
doctor at St.
> Kitts
> recommends that anyone addicted to benzo’s detox from them for
two weeks
> before
> the Ibogaine treatment. As you well know dude, benzo’s create a problem
> and
> there are no easy answers, but I would think that there has to be a
> compromise
> in there somewhere. I think that after the ibogaine treatment
the reason
> for
> taking benzo’s will come to the surface and it would be easier
to obstain
> from
> them. I wish I could say that weaning down on the dose of benzo’s will
> prevent
> a seizure, but I can’t. Seizures are a possibility, but not a
certainty.
> I’d
> be careful Ron, but I would go on and do the Ibogaine, but I
aint you. I
> wish
> you strenght and hope my friend, I always have. Randy
>
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Patrick and crutches!
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:16:47 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

By the way, Patrick sitting upright yet, or is he still prostrate?

I’m kinda surprised to hear he wanted you in the room with him at all times. I kept telling my friend and my lover to both Leave Me Alone Please, and Quit Asking if I’m Still Breathing Please Too.
;-))

I too vocalized a lot during my first session. Second one I don’t think I did as much, as this time I was deathly quiet most of the time and very still.

Someone recently asked here (Ron, was it you perhaps? Or Firehall, or whatever that one handle is-sorry, I’ve deleted my old mail so can’t find the original note, from yesterday or the day before I believe to the ibogaine list here) whether ibogaine was simply a crutch now for those who have a contact through which to get ahold of ibogaine. I myself wouldn’t ever find myself with the urge to kick the crutch out from under someone with a cast on their leg, so why would I kick it out from under anyone else who might find a crutch useful? To me, with my still ongoing utter lack of “I wanna be totally clean and get high on life only” outlook on things, and finding that despite my clearheadedness I still do use opiate prescriptions to ease my physical pains, if I could count on obtaining ibogaine any time I felt the urge to go shoot my drugs instead, if I could reset with ibogaine every six months to a year, I’d be the happiest guy on the planet, or right up there in the top listings anyway. In my view there is not a single thing wrong with that, and should be just as available as any other harm-reducing option. Why NOT make life as easy and stressless as possible? Why insist on making things as difficult or painful as possible?
That’s my own personal opinion today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>; <ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

> —–Original Message—–
> From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
> Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
> To: dpfca@drugsense.org
> Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
> condition
>
>
>    Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***
>
>    It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
> hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
> in extremely grave condition.
>
>   Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.
>
>   His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
> 346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
> <JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.
>
>   I’ll post updates as needed.
>
>    take care   —   peace   —   ashley in atlanta
>
> PS:   Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
> Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
> —
> —-
> Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
> 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern California
> politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
vulnerable
> patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.
>
> Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.
>
> Steph Sherer
>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:08:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you. Dr. Jay was head of California’s Pharmacuetical industry oversite for 10 years, and wrote the most incredible article for Under the Influence, titled “Reckless Disregard,” detailing the murderous activities of many pharmacuetical companies and how they couldn’t care less about getting anyone well but rather how, surprise surprise, they’re in it for the money.
He is an awesome guy and very funny sometimes too:

http://www.drugwar.com/madmice.shtm

Mice, Marijuana, and Madness
Forwarded by
Jay R. Cavanaugh, PhD
May 1, 2003
posted at DrugWar.com
May 6, 2003
snip-
Las Flores is also the home of the Eva Peron Memorial Eugenics Institute which specializes in murine (mice) experimentation. It is here that science witnessed the birth of the first mice bred for cannabis experimentation (Mota mice). Mota mice can either have normal cannabinoid receptors (Mota N), have cannabinoid receptors removed in knock out experiments (Mota Minus), or have enhanced receptors (Mota Mejor).
What this reporter found is difficult to describe so apologies are made in advance for shocking any reader sensibilities and caution is made to not allow small children to read further.

The first serious problems arose when lab workers were shocked to discover that the Mota Minus mice not only failed to thrive but were completely nude (photo below).
[IMAGE- Nude, non-hairy mice babies]
Researchers familiar with the 60’s in America would have known that there is a direct relationship between the growing of hair and cannabis consumption. Who can forget those long haired weirdo Haight Asbury pot heads? Obviously, however, cannabis, natural or otherwise, is required not only for feeding but for having decent levels of body hair. This research finding was suppressed by the Institute at the urging of local DEA officials attached to the Argentine military despite protests from some researchers who think marijuana may cure baldness.
snip-
Read Complete Shocking Report at above URL

—-
as well as being deadly serious at times too, as in the article below, and in a couple others for DrugWar.com, and for Under the Influence:

http://www.drugwar.com/cavanaughmedmarrights.shtm

The Right to Medical Marijuana-
Get it Straight
Jay R. Cavanaugh, PhD
posted at DrugWar.com
August 18, 2003
(read at above URL please)
—-
These are just a couple of his contributions to the website I run, DrugWar.com. Dr. Jay will be missed very much by me at least, never having met him face to face I honestly, and deeply, regret that fact, that I’ve never shaken his hand.
I spoke to his stepson yesterday afternoon by phone, so the family knows we’re all out here rootin’ for him and for them as well, or at least that many of us are.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>; <ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>;
<asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

> —–Original Message—–
> From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
> Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
> To: dpfca@drugsense.org
> Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
> condition
>
>
>    Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***
>
>    It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
> hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
> in extremely grave condition.
>
>   Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.
>
>   His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
> 346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
> <JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.
>
>   I’ll post updates as needed.
>
>    take care   —   peace   —   ashley in atlanta
>
> PS:   Dr Jay is founder and National Director of the American
> Alliance for Medicinal Cannabis at www.letfreedomgrow.org
> —
> —-
> Dale Gieringer (415) 563-5858 // canorml@igc.org
> 2215-R Market St. #278, San Francisco CA 94114
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern California
> politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
vulnerable
> patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.
>
> Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.
>
> Steph Sherer
>

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From: “Carlton B” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy
Date: April 25, 2005 at 9:04:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:25 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy

Ron, I guess you are talking about taking benzo’s while under the
influence
of Ibogaine. When I took my treatment I took a few 10 mg.
valiums. I came
off
of methadone so I had to take the Ibogaine over a period of days and I
took the
valiums in between doses to be able to relax enough to get a
nap in before
the big dose came. Now that said, I don’t think there is a provider that
condones taking a regular dose of benzo’s during the treatment, only to
use them
ancedontly for the anxiety that may, or may not come up. The
doctor at St.
Kitts
recommends that anyone addicted to benzo’s detox from them for
two weeks
before
the Ibogaine treatment. As you well know dude, benzo’s create a problem
and
there are no easy answers, but I would think that there has to be a
compromise
in there somewhere. I think that after the ibogaine treatment
the reason
for
taking benzo’s will come to the surface and it would be easier
to obstain
from
them. I wish I could say that weaning down on the dose of benzo’s will
prevent
a seizure, but I can’t. Seizures are a possibility, but not a
certainty.
I’d
be careful Ron, but I would go on and do the Ibogaine, but I
aint you. I
wish
you strenght and hope my friend, I always have. Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Tobacco smokers are self-medicating for anxiety and depression
Date: April 25, 2005 at 8:52:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

<http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-smoking25apr25,0,4108264.story?coll=la-home-health>

Beyond a craving

# Despite all the evidence, why do some still smoke? Smokers suffer more depression and other mental disorders, studies show, yet nicotine may actually help them cope.

By Charles Duhigg, Times Staff Writer

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http://www.newsroom-l.net/blog

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron- Randy
Date: April 25, 2005 at 8:24:54 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

randy , i appreciate your well thought advice, especially after i’ve shown my ass in some of my posts. i have a benzo jones and it’s a bitch climbing off. i thought stay on the benzos, use ibo to kick the other stuff …i’m going to leap, if my liver profile is ok. i can’t afford kitts but like the dude that works w/ mash. he’s a good doc and knows his shit. by the way, i snagged a colt python elite, stainless, adjustable sights, hair trigger, 6″ barrell for 3 bills from a friend.getting a divorce. i remember you talking shooting one time and thought you’d appreciate it. shame i can’t carry it on my scooter. i refuse to get a permit, background check would kill me but i researched all bodies of state and federal law and i’m legit w/ my record. took some doing. thanks again, i like your straight forwarrd approach, even liked jeff’s( i’m done). ron
—– Original Message —– From: <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey Ron
Date: April 25, 2005 at 8:04:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me
Date: April 25, 2005 at 7:56:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

custom designer version, yrs. in the making…loose around the edges, sorry i wear it here
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me

Good costume.

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
… and please excuse my acerbic manner of writing.
i’m a sheep in a wolf suit, ron

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] i guess you sleep when you need to
Date: April 25, 2005 at 7:31:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

slept 8 hours last night and feeling so much better. I have to say I really like this ibogaine stuff. What a gift. Still feelin so good!
as for going the anal route, I’d just like to say that for me personally I have to say that if you arent someone who gets nausous that easily then maybe sticking to the old fashion route might be best because the thought of being on 5 or 7 mg/kg and then have to bend over for my flood is a little too much for me to even bare. but hey diffrent strokes i guess.

Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Synn,

I also took it annally and looking back I would have done it the first time round also if I had known about it. I recommend anyone going for detox to take it annally. It has a lot of terrific advantages.

Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing the ibogaine anally.

The first ibogaine experience I had I went to the toilet until there was absolutely nothing inside me. My whole insides were pushing down with force on my rear end emptying out.

I mention the additional amount required because one provider said this to me. I cannot verified it objectively and wondered if anyone else had observations on the dose levels taking anally vis a vis effectiveness?

You state it comes on stronger anally and that is true in a localised sense but it does not mean necessarily that the overall body effect is stronger – just the region where it has been placed experiences a stronger effect than say via the stomach? Although I would imagine that the dosage is the same regardless of which opening it is inserted into?

with Love,

Lee

synn stern <synn1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lee & all:

the anal route’s an excellent method of drug administraion: bio-efficent,
cost effective, and far less rough on the gut where nausua is concerned.
(used it that way myself)

Synn
—————————————————————————
>Lee Albert wrote:
>Hi James,
>
>I have a question for you on the anal use of ibogaine:
>
>Did you use a higher dose and if so by what percentage? 10%?
>
>I ask this as my understanding is the dose should be higher when taking
>rectally.
>
>Lee
>
>
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From: Lee Albert <my-ebgoa@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] millard method & saftey
Date: April 25, 2005 at 5:57:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Synn,

I also took it annally and looking back I would have done it the first time round also if I had known about it. I recommend anyone going for detox to take it annally. It has a lot of terrific advantages.

Having said that when it came on it was like a stinging sensation in the rear end and a strong movement of force there. A cleaned out system before hand is very important. Completely empty. Otherwise one can end up losing the ibogaine anally.

The first ibogaine experience I had I went to the toilet until there was absolutely nothing inside me. My whole insides were pushing down with force on my rear end emptying out.

I mention the additional amount required because one provider said this to me. I cannot verified it objectively and wondered if anyone else had observations on the dose levels taking anally vis a vis effectiveness?

You state it comes on stronger anally and that is true in a localised sense but it does not mean necessarily that the overall body effect is stronger – just the region where it has been placed experiences a stronger effect than say via the stomach? Although I would imagine that the dosage is the same regardless of which opening it is inserted into?

with Love,

Lee

synn stern <synn1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lee & all:

the anal route’s an excellent method of drug administraion: bio-efficent,
cost effective, and far less rough on the gut where nausua is concerned.
(used it that way myself)

Synn
—————————————————————————
>Lee Albert wrote:
>Hi James,
>
>I have a question for you on the anal use of ibogaine:
>
>Did you use a higher dose and if so by what percentage? 10%?
>
>I ask this as my understanding is the dose should be higher when taking
>rectally.
>
>Lee
>
>
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Small Business – Try our new resources site!
>
>
>
>
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www.my-ebgoa.com/amazinggrace.html
Free copies of Amazing Grace available here for members of the media / librarians etc:
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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 25, 2005 at 5:23:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:47:15 -0700 Morning Wood
<morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
— slowone@hush.ai wrote:
I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.

I don’t understand what you mean when you say
aftercare. I see the term come up often, but see
little agreement when I see anyone try to define
exactly what it is. Just wondering.

I left it vague on purpose because different things may all work.

Pschotherapy is what I had in mind, but a common theme for 99.8% of
the cases that work out well probably involves being helped by
another human being who has dealt with some of the issues of
recovery from whatever it is or from something sufficiently
analogous. Supervised group therapy and/or structured self-help
groups like recovery or survivors groups might be the best for
cost. How much you need, what it is, all depends on who you are,
what you have done to yourself, what was done to you, and how
intimately you are already integrated into the human clan.

The strength of a safely structured group (say a ritualistic
ayahuasca church) can evoke the feelings of relating to parents in
childhood and help one replace old and sad energies with something
more positive. If you want to rebuild your personality, one-on-one
psychotherapy might be the ultimate. (By the way, the therapist who
wrote the book I was quoting earlier notes in passing that if you
can train yourself to have positive, healthy thoughts/fantasies
around orgasm – typically masturbation – this can have lead to
startling improvement.) There are plenty of modes I have no
experience of. Also my own experience doesn’t include addiction.

Yes, personally, I have read quite a few aftercare strategies for ibogaine
and what I think is often missing is…other people! There often seems to be
a big focussing on this therapy or that meditation and for me what is being
missed a bit is the daily reality of interacting with others. I was only in
the Cameroun a short time when I did iboga myself, and I’ve only had
exposure to the limited writings on the Bwiti others have done but what I
have seen is the incredible importance that Bwiti places on social reality,
interraction, and structure. The three days and nights of “ngoze” are
totally social affairs where everything is being done by the group together,
everyone playing a role. The “banzie,” the initiate, seems to emerge from
the process with a clear place in the lower end of the social hierachy of
the group and must regularly continue to take part in the life of the
temple. It’s an ongoing process, not a one-shot strategy that leaves you
alone to devise ways of handling your shit.

I have read many times people arguing that iboga is better than ibogaine and
vice-versa because one is holistic or the other is cleaner or whatever but,
for me personally, this is a very minor issue. What I think is far more
important is that aftercare is taken into account and that, if a truly Bwiti
approach is to be followed, that it must have a strong element of social
partication. Practically, in the west, I guess this means rehab and that the
individual enters an environment where they can re-learn how to live their
life, where they take the opportunity to experience and share what is
actually happening with them at a more primal level, issues that the
addictive behaviour is covering up. For me, I find this the more holistic
approach with all the meditations, personal therapies, and chanting the more
idiosyncratic.

For sure, right now, there is no ibo-centred rehab but if more people
detoxing on ibogaine enter regular rehab and show themselves it must come.
At the moment, I know some have gone to the Humaniversity in Holland, which
I think is the best choice though I haven’t been able to follow anyone up
properly yet.

Nick

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me
Date: April 25, 2005 at 2:21:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good costume.

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
… and please excuse my acerbic manner of writing.
i’m a sheep in a wolf suit, ron

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey randy!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 8:52:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Marc

Send me a private email, please,

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey randy!

call d.

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
did you ever use ibo while taking benzos and if so , what were the effects?
thanks for your insight, and please excuse my acerbic manner of writing.
i’m a sheep in a wolf suit, ron
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me
nuts !!!!!!!!

>I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after years of 4-6 hours
> after my most traumatic iboga experience, which also left me
> praying for death at times over the next few months. We may
> internalize the hostile people and environments of our childhood
> that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to survive, and when
> iboga tries to break the grip of those patterns, these “introjects”
> may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all players in that game.
> I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
> wrote:
>>I should be kind of a veteran at this point and have a good idea
>>what to expect but this time have just been so different. Still
>>only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and still tons of sweating
>
>>in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams. Tried to give back a
>
>>bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was confronted by bill
>
>>clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I’m recalling right
>>now.
>>Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel sick at points
>>throughout the day and then at other points I can’t believe how
>>freakin good I feel.
>>Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any easier but who
>>knows myabe thats why I’m even getting that much sleep to begin
>>with.
>>Howard once told me that you might not need as much sleep after
>>ibo but I gotta say I’d love to sleep a full 8 or even 6 hours.
>>Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling pretty damn good though.
>
>>-M.
>>
>>
>>Carlton B wrote:
>>Well naturally you don’t want to start out being dehydrated at the
>
>>start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I was just saying
>>that over-hydration in a short period of time is not a good way to
>
>>get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good way to get
>>hydrated.
>>
>>If you are caring for someone who is chronically hydrated, and
>>especially an opiate user, one of the best things you can do for
>>them is give them high-fiber foods. We get most of our water
>>from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber, the body can
>>manage its own best absorption rate. I really like brown rice for
>
>>this purpose. If you can get your husband on brown rice then
>>that might be a good thing.
>>
>>—–Original Message—–
>>From: Pam Paperno
>>
>>Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at this point. If I
>>don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We just want him re-
>>hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
>>Pam
>>—– Original Message —–
>>From: Carlton B
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>On hydration….
>>
>>If you know you are going to a place where you cannot drink water
>>for a while, the best way to prepare is to avoid caffeine, salty
>>foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days before departure.
>>Have a glass of water with meals or when you are thirsty. You
>>can’t store water like a camel. If you drink an excess of water,
>>your kidneys will simply dump it within a few hours. If you’re in
>
>>a state where you can barely open your eyes, you probably want to
>>avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.
>>
>>In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won’t lose enough fluid to
>>jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot environment, doing
>>vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty foods, or
>>experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea. (Not talking about a
>>few alkaloid heaves… more like an influenza or cholera type
>>experience). Generally if your body needs water, it will produce
>
>>a sensation of thirst and allow you to drink.
>>
>>On fruit juices…
>>
>>Fruit juices contain a lot of sugar. Sugary drinks like fruit
>>juices can cause what is called secondary dehydration… your
>>blood becomes too concentrated. To correct this, osmosis draws
>>fluid out of your tissues, which become dehydrated. Also, the
>>high sugar content of fruit juice is taxing for your pancreas and
>>endocrine system. If you are tripping or otherwise altered, you
>>want your digestive system to be at rest so it isn’t distracted
>>from the task of digesting alkaloids that your stomach would
>>really prefer to spew across the room.
>>
>>—–Original Message—–
>>From: Pam Paperno
>>
>>Sent: Apr 22, 2005 8:09 AM
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>It stands to reason that hydrating ahead of time would be a good
>>idea, since there is likely to be very little consumption after
>>the Ibogaine.
>>Have you checked out the Ibogaine Dossier? There’s lots of useful
>
>>info there.
>>Pam
>>—– Original Message —–
>>From: fire3456@aol.com
>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:59 PM
>>Subject: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>>
>>
>>
>>I joined this “group” in hopes to gain more insight on Ibogaine.
>>Although I am sarcastic with the “lovey dovey”, “light a candle”,
>>”Peace and Love” annoying remarks. I do keep reading because
>>knowledge is power. I’m still not sure what the whole basis of
>>this group is. And maybe I shouldn’t be here. But if I can get
>>bits and pieces of valuable info out if any of it…its worth
>>digging though annoying parts. Besides…you need people like me
>>to be the end of the “bell curve” ! 🙂
>>
>>Now…for the input I am looking for..ok…ASKING for. I’d like
>>to know the reasons for failure in their Ibogaine use. “Learn
>>from other peoples mistakes” scenario. Failure as in, not
>>getting what they wanted out of it…whether it be addiction, or
>>spiritual sense of well being… etc.
>>
>>I was never told of the “hydrating” process and that being an
>>important part. I’m unsure of the Fruit Juice effects and reason.
>>
>>The music is an individual thing. I don’t think someone can say
>>what to, or what not to listen to.
>>
>>FYI, I am about to venture to my 2nd attempt at Ibo. I want to
>>make sure there is no room for error.
>>
>>Thanks for any info….and special thanks FOR NOT LIGHTING A
>>CANDLE! (sarcasm)
>>
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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition
Date: April 24, 2005 at 10:01:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have a candle burning for Dr. Cavanaugh, right next to the one I’m burning
for my beloved Patrick. My prayers shall certainly include the Doctor!
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>; <ibogaine@mindvox.com>;
<drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely
grave condition

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick and
needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever it
is
you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and his
family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—–Original Message—–
From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
To: dpfca@drugsense.org
Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition

Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***

It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
in extremely grave condition.

Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.

His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
<JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.

I’ll post updates as needed.

take care — peace — ashley in atlanta

Dear Friends,

Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern California
politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most
vulnerable
patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.

Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!slowone
Date: April 24, 2005 at 9:33:58 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Never tried benzo’s.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:35:53 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
did you ever use ibo while taking benzos and if so , what were the

effects?
thanks for your insight, and please excuse my acerbic manner of
writing.
i’m a sheep in a wolf suit, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to
drive me
nuts !!!!!!!!

I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after years of 4-6 hours
after my most traumatic iboga experience, which also left me
praying for death at times over the next few months. We may
internalize the hostile people and environments of our childhood
that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to survive, and when
iboga tries to break the grip of those patterns, these
“introjects”
may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all players in that
game.
I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
<mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:
I should be kind of a veteran at this point and have a good idea
what to expect but this time have just been so different. Still
only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and still tons of
sweating

in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams. Tried to give back

bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was confronted by
bill

clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I’m recalling right
now.
Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel sick at points
throughout the day and then at other points I can’t believe how
freakin good I feel.
Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any easier but who
knows myabe thats why I’m even getting that much sleep to begin
with.
Howard once told me that you might not need as much sleep after
ibo but I gotta say I’d love to sleep a full 8 or even 6 hours.
Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling pretty damn good
though.

-M.

Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well naturally you don’t want to start out being dehydrated at
the

start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I was just saying
that over-hydration in a short period of time is not a good way
to

get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good way to get
hydrated.

If you are caring for someone who is chronically hydrated, and
especially an opiate user, one of the best things you can do for
them is give them high-fiber foods. We get most of our water
from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber, the body can
manage its own best absorption rate. I really like brown rice
for

this purpose. If you can get your husband on brown rice then
that might be a good thing.

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at this point. If I
don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We just want him re-
hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: Carlton B
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

On hydration….

If you know you are going to a place where you cannot drink
water
for a while, the best way to prepare is to avoid caffeine, salty
foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days before departure.
Have a glass of water with meals or when you are thirsty. You
can’t store water like a camel. If you drink an excess of
water,
your kidneys will simply dump it within a few hours. If you’re
in

a state where you can barely open your eyes, you probably want
to
avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.

In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won’t lose enough fluid to
jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot environment,
doing
vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty foods, or
experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea. (Not talking about
a
few alkaloid heaves… more like an influenza or cholera type
experience). Generally if your body needs water, it will
produce

a sensation of thirst and allow you to drink.

On fruit juices…

Fruit juices contain a lot of sugar. Sugary drinks like fruit
juices can cause what is called secondary dehydration… your
blood becomes too concentrated. To correct this, osmosis draws
fluid out of your tissues, which become dehydrated. Also, the
high sugar content of fruit juice is taxing for your pancreas
and
endocrine system. If you are tripping or otherwise altered,
you
want your digestive system to be at rest so it isn’t distracted
from the task of digesting alkaloids that your stomach would
really prefer to spew across the room.

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 8:09 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

info there.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

I joined this “group” in hopes to gain more insight on Ibogaine.
Although I am sarcastic with the “lovey dovey”, “light a
candle”,
“Peace and Love” annoying remarks. I do keep reading because
knowledge is power. I’m still not sure what the whole basis of
this group is. And maybe I shouldn’t be here. But if I can get
bits and pieces of valuable info out if any of it…its worth
digging though annoying parts. Besides…you need people like
me
to be the end of the “bell curve” ! 🙂

Now…for the input I am looking for..ok…ASKING for.   I’d
like
to know the reasons for failure in their Ibogaine use.   “Learn
from other peoples mistakes” scenario.   Failure as in, not
getting what they wanted out of it…whether it be addiction, or
spiritual sense of well being… etc.

I was never told of the “hydrating” process and that being an
important part. I’m unsure of the Fruit Juice effects and
reason.

The music is an individual thing. I don’t think someone can say
what to, or what not to listen to.

FYI, I am about to venture to my 2nd attempt at Ibo. I want to
make sure there is no room for error.

Thanks for any info….and special thanks FOR NOT LIGHTING A
CANDLE! (sarcasm)

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 9:21:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:47:15 -0700 Morning Wood
<morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
— slowone@hush.ai wrote:
I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.

I don’t understand what you mean when you say
aftercare. I see the term come up often, but see
little agreement when I see anyone try to define
exactly what it is. Just wondering.

I left it vague on purpose because different things may all work.

Pschotherapy is what I had in mind, but a common theme for 99.8% of
the cases that work out well probably involves being helped by
another human being who has dealt with some of the issues of
recovery from whatever it is or from something sufficiently
analogous. Supervised group therapy and/or structured self-help
groups like recovery or survivors groups might be the best for
cost. How much you need, what it is, all depends on who you are,
what you have done to yourself, what was done to you, and how
intimately you are already integrated into the human clan.

The strength of a safely structured group (say a ritualistic
ayahuasca church) can evoke the feelings of relating to parents in
childhood and help one replace old and sad energies with something
more positive. If you want to rebuild your personality, one-on-one
psychotherapy might be the ultimate. (By the way, the therapist who
wrote the book I was quoting earlier notes in passing that if you
can train yourself to have positive, healthy thoughts/fantasies
around orgasm – typically masturbation – this can have lead to
startling improvement.) There are plenty of modes I have no
experience of. Also my own experience doesn’t include addiction.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment
Date: April 24, 2005 at 7:07:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and you as well, you daredevil you. i previously apologized for my aserbic comments, sorry you missed them. the pain is the same for all of us and i do not intentionally want to hurt anyone’s feelings. sorry if i insulted your intentions or other well meaning members. perhaps it’s one of my many character flaws . i can rub many the wrong way as i have you, but over 20 yrs i have kept 1000’s like us out of places we don’t want to be. just can’t save myself. i’ll tone it down, if i can (it’s engrained at this point). and believe it or not, i don’t mind the call, it is well taken and received. you could probably get me kicked off if connected since i don’t know who’s who. by the way jeff,i have said on numerous occasions i am jealous i can’t get to the root for various reasons. be glad to off list you but you’re done so no need. bottom line, i’ll speak civil to what i believe are civil people on the forum, and most are. mea culpa w/ heartfelt apologies. enjoy your relative youth, you earned it, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment

On 4/23//24/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
.I was
just curious if any “highend H users ” ever got thier feet wet, figuratively

Then on 4/24/05
they’ll come get me for this..it is not legal advise but merely offered for amusement purposes like mindvox. anyone give up a session to bail me out?
naw, junkies are selfish, that’s our calling card, i, me , min

WOW RON
despite your finding help here, help that you have said is life saving, you continue to insert little comments in many of your posts about those fortunate enough to have had an ibo treatment as if they are all rich, well off, well fed ,well housed, folks who only care about themselves, to the exclusion of all other with YOU being tops on their list
man it getting to be a real bore to read your stuff….
Yesterday you call them “high end user” and wonder if they “got their feet wet” (meaning jailed)- again as if you are the only guy ever caught up in the legal shit.
Today you facetiously wonder if someone would give up a session to bail you out….(this being after many many have offered you whatever they could)
I know you were “joking” but it shows an underlying resentment of others, a jealousy that they have had the balls to do the deed, to eat the root, to see the sights..and that they(we) are all well set
.man what a drag it is getting old huh?
it is just getting so so boring from you my man
Freaking Done
Jeff G

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]hey randy!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 6:24:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

call d.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition
Date: April 24, 2005 at 6:10:35 PM EDT
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A contributor, Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, to both DrugWar.com, and Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, is now very, very sick and needs some thoughts and prayers.
Please add him to your lists for prayers, thoughts, candles, whatever it is you do please to try and send positive thoughts and vibes in his and his family’s direction.
Thank you very much all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Steph Sherer” <stephsherer@yahoo.com>
To: <asa@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-eb@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-organizers@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:56 PM
Subject: [asa] Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave condition

—–Original Message—–
From: owner-dpfca@drugsense.org [mailto:owner-dpfca@drugsense.org]On
Behalf Of Dale Gieringer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:39 PM
To: dpfca@drugsense.org
Subject: DPFCA: Dr Jay Cavanaugh hospitalized in extremely grave
condition

Dear Drug Policy Reformers, **** please forward ***

It is with great sadness that I relate that Dr Jay Cavanaugh, is
hospitalized with Liver and Kidney failure, is on a ventilator and is
in extremely grave condition.

Dr Jay is a *real* fighter and hope springs eternal.

His wife, Nancy, can be reached at the Cavanaugh home at (818)
346-4493 and says your prayers, calls and emails
<JCavana857@aol.com> are welcomed.

I’ll post updates as needed.

take care — peace — ashley in atlanta

Dear Friends,

Dr Jay has been an inspiration and a desert rose in Southern California
politics. He has been on the frontline with California’s most vulnerable
patients and is an amazing advocate for those in need.

Our hearts and prayers are with him and his family.

Steph Sherer

From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment
Date: April 24, 2005 at 6:05:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 4/23//24/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
.I was
just curious if any “highend H users ” ever got thier feet wet, figuratively

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!slowone
Date: April 24, 2005 at 5:35:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

did you ever use ibo while taking benzos and if so , what were the effects? thanks for your insight, and please excuse my acerbic manner of writing. i’m a sheep in a wolf suit, ron
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!

I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after years of 4-6 hours
after my most traumatic iboga experience, which also left me
praying for death at times over the next few months. We may
internalize the hostile people and environments of our childhood
that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to survive, and when
iboga tries to break the grip of those patterns, these “introjects”
may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all players in that game.
I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.

in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams. Tried to give back a

bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was confronted by bill

-M.

Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well naturally you don’t want to start out being dehydrated at the

start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I was just saying
that over-hydration in a short period of time is not a good way to

get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good way to get
hydrated.

this purpose. If you can get your husband on brown rice then
that might be a good thing.

—–Original Message—– From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at this point. If I
don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We just want him re-
hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: Carlton B
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

On hydration….

If you know you are going to a place where you cannot drink water
for a while, the best way to prepare is to avoid caffeine, salty
foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days before departure.
Have a glass of water with meals or when you are thirsty. You
can’t store water like a camel. If you drink an excess of water,
your kidneys will simply dump it within a few hours. If you’re in

a state where you can barely open your eyes, you probably want to
avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.

In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won’t lose enough fluid to
jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot environment, doing
vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty foods, or
experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea. (Not talking about a
few alkaloid heaves… more like an influenza or cholera type
experience). Generally if your body needs water, it will produce

a sensation of thirst and allow you to drink.

On fruit juices…

Fruit juices contain a lot of sugar. Sugary drinks like fruit
juices can cause what is called secondary dehydration… your
blood becomes too concentrated. To correct this, osmosis draws
fluid out of your tissues, which become dehydrated. Also, the
high sugar content of fruit juice is taxing for your pancreas and
endocrine system. If you are tripping or otherwise altered, you
want your digestive system to be at rest so it isn’t distracted
from the task of digesting alkaloids that your stomach would
really prefer to spew across the room.

—–Original Message—– From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 8:09 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

info there.
Pam
—– Original Message —– From: fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

I joined this “group” in hopes to gain more insight on Ibogaine.
Although I am sarcastic with the “lovey dovey”, “light a candle”,
“Peace and Love” annoying remarks. I do keep reading because
knowledge is power. I’m still not sure what the whole basis of
this group is. And maybe I shouldn’t be here. But if I can get
bits and pieces of valuable info out if any of it…its worth
digging though annoying parts. Besides…you need people like me
to be the end of the “bell curve” ! 🙂

Now…for the input I am looking for..ok…ASKING for.   I’d like
to know the reasons for failure in their Ibogaine use.   “Learn
from other peoples mistakes” scenario.   Failure as in, not
getting what they wanted out of it…whether it be addiction, or
spiritual sense of well being… etc.

I was never told of the “hydrating” process and that being an
important part. I’m unsure of the Fruit Juice effects and reason.

The music is an individual thing. I don’t think someone can say
what to, or what not to listen to.

FYI, I am about to venture to my 2nd attempt at Ibo. I want to
make sure there is no room for error.

Thanks for any info….and special thanks FOR NOT LIGHTING A
CANDLE! (sarcasm)

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 5:28:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

for sure even as my father dies in the room next to me. never cared much for the green stuff, i was too bad and always worried someone would come get me for my misdeeds. i hear it’s good for anti seizure stuff, peaceful path to all and thanks for your response, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

THANK YOU, AM I LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE?

If you mean will ibogaine make you
LIVE COMFORTABLY
W/O TAKING MOOD OR MIND
ALTERING DRUGS

their is a very good chance that it will help allot.
But it’s not Supermahn in a pill. It doesn’t come
just in the Nick of “time”.

Their is a chance you might even end up one of those
lucky people who took ibogaine and had abosolutily no
withdrawals at all (not even a little), it’s not
likely but it could happen. What is more likely is
that it will dramacally Reduce you’re withdrawal and
give you a little personal boost as far as keeping in
mind that it will get better as time passes if the
appropiate actions are taken.

Ron I have kicked triple digit methadone, xanex,
tamazepam, tobacco, coffee. Do you think Iboga did
that for me? I didn’t just kick yesterday, it’s been
2 years. I smoke hella lot a herbal greenery, if that
makes me a bad person so be it. But a heart patient
is not a bad person because they might be seen as
dependent or relient on something? That heart
patient is not healthier without being ‘dependent’ on
it.

Are you still tapering down of the benzo’s?

-jb

> — Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> queston from a non ibonaut: why multiple
>> treatments?
>
> Why not?
>
>
>> do i wear dashkis and
>> hunt prey in the savnaha
>
> if you want.
>
>> or can i work and
>
> how would I know what you can do?
>
>> BE HAPPY IN MY OWN SKIN?
>
> I hope you find what you are looking for Ron.
>
> cheers,
> jb
>
>> —– Original Message —– >> From: <slowone@hush.ai>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing
is
>> beginning to drive me
>> nuts !!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>> >I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after
years
>> of 4-6 hours
>> > after my most traumatic iboga experience, which
>> also left me
>> > praying for death at times over the next few
>> months. We may
>> > internalize the hostile people and environments
of
>> our childhood
>> > that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to
>> survive, and when
>> > iboga tries to break the grip of those
patterns,
>> these “introjects”
>> > may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all
>> players in that game.
>> > I think aftercare can help sort out these
battles.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
>> > <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>I should be kind of a veteran at this point and
>> have a good idea
>> >>what to expect but this time have just been so
>> different. Still
>> >>only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and
still
>> tons of sweating
>> >
>> >>in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams.
>> Tried to give back a
>> >
>> >>bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was
>> confronted by bill
>> >
>> >>clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I’m
>> recalling right
>> >>now.
>> >>Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel
>> sick at points
>> >>throughout the day and then at other points I
>> can’t believe how
>> >>freakin good I feel.
>> >>Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any
>> easier but who
>> >>knows myabe thats why I’m even getting that
much
>> sleep to begin
>> >>with.
>> >>Howard once told me that you might not need as
>> much sleep after
>> >>ibo but I gotta say I’d love to sleep a full 8
or
>> even 6 hours.
>> >>Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling
pretty
>> damn good though.
>> >
>> >>-M.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >>Well naturally you don’t want to start out
being
>> dehydrated at the
>> >
>> >>start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I
>> was just saying
>> >>that over-hydration in a short period of time
is
>> not a good way to
>> >
>> >>get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good
way
>> to get
>> >>hydrated.
>> >>
>> >>If you are caring for someone who is
chronically
>> hydrated, and
>> >>especially an opiate user, one of the best
things
>> you can do for
>> >>them is give them high-fiber foods.   We get
most
>> of our water
>> >>from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber,
>> the body can
>> >>manage its own best absorption rate. I really
>> like brown rice for
>> >
>> >>this purpose.   If you can get your husband on
>> brown rice then
>> >>that might be a good thing.
>> >>
>> >>—–Original Message—– >> >>From: Pam Paperno
>> >>
>> >>Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
>> >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at
this
>> point. If I
>> >>don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We
just
>> want him re-
>> >>hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
>> >>Pam
>> >>—– Original Message —– >> >>From: Carlton B
>> >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On hydration….
>> >>
>> >>If you know you are going to a place where you
>> cannot drink water
>> >>for a while, the best way to prepare is to
avoid
>> caffeine, salty
>> >>foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days
before
>> departure.
>> >>Have a glass of water with meals or when you
are
>> thirsty.   You
>> >>can’t store water like a camel. If you drink
an
>> excess of water,
>> >>your kidneys will simply dump it within a few
>> hours. If you’re in
>> >
>> >>a state where you can barely open your eyes,
you
>> probably want to
>> >>avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.
>> >>
>> >>In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won’t lose
>> enough fluid to
>> >>jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot
>> environment, doing
>> >>vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty
>> foods, or
>> >>experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea.
(Not
>> talking about a
>> >>few alkaloid heaves… more like an influenza
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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot
Date: April 24, 2005 at 4:03:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A fisherman can cast the line, but can only wait for
the fish to bite. Your catch will come in its own
time; you cannot make it come – neither by working nor
by planning nor by wishing. You may need to provide
nourishment for you and your loved ones; but only
through patience can you become the bridge between the
fickle fish and the eventual feast. Strength in a time
of trial waits quietly, resolutely. Weakness grows
agitated, and abandons the effort before the fish
bite. Periods of waiting are most fruitful when used
for quiet contemplation.

Proceed cautiously, but resolutely, with whatever you
are doing. The situation calls for consistency and
patience. Waiting is an essential skill; patience is a
powerful force. Time is an ally of those with inner
strength – the kind of strength which allows you to be
uncompromisingly honest with yourself, while sticking
to the path you have charted. If you persevere with a
positive attitude, time weakens even the hardest
obstacles. To rush anything, or impatiently force
results, stimulates resistance and causes setbacks. At
best, you achieve surface changes that may just as
quickly be reversed. Steadfast waiting – holding to
your integrity – leads to slow but permanent
improvements. In the end, you accomplish something
great. Practice patience.

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Patrick’s session
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:53:48 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We are nearing the end of hour five of Patrick’s Ibogaine session, and he appears to be doing well.
He seems totally oblivious to noises, indeed, has a hard time hearing our facilitator when she asks him how he is doing.
But, he always has been a mismatcher, or “:bloody minded,” as the British say.
He is verbalizing some, but perhaps that is because he frequently talks in his sleep?
I’m keeping an eye on his pulse and blood pressure–both are low, but still not alarming (pulse 48, BP 112/68, while normal for him is 64, 138/84)
He was REALLY nauseated there for a while, but being the stubborn Irishman that he is, he refused to throw up. (“At what this is costing, I am NOT wasting it.”)
He has only had to make one trip to the washroom, as the Ibogaine apparently loosened his bowels a bit. I never realized how big a guy he was until I was trying to get him to the bathroom–
Currently, he seems fairly peaceful, but does turn from back to side, side to back every so often.
Well, I better get myself back up there–he does not like me leaving the room, even for a minute.
Pam

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:42:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THE STATE’S WILL PICK IT UP IF IT FAILS AT THE FED LEVEL. REPUBLICANS RUN OUR HAPPY , FREE COUNTRY…MOST CRIMINAL STATUTE BOOKS LAY IT OUT IN THEIR PREAMBLE. IT USUALLY GOES AS FOLLOWS:
“WHILE REHABILITATION REMAINS A WORTHY GOAL, IT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE _______PENAL CODE TO PUNISH THE OFFENDER AND KEEP HIM/HER OFF THE STREETS WHERE THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY….. I CAN’T SPELL W/O SPELL-CHECK BUT TRUST ME ON THIS ONE GUYS. I”M IN THE LOOP. THE FEDERAL LAWS , SUBSTANTIVE AND PROCEDURALLY ARE THE WORST. GET POPPED, PREY THEY DON’T GO FED, YOU’LL NEVER BREATHE REPUBLICAN FREE AIR AGAIN. OH, AND IT’LL HAPPEN AT WARP SPEED AND YOU WILL SNITCH ON YOUR MOTHER WITH THE MIN/MAN HANGING OVER YOU. SEE IT EVERYDAY. r..they’ll come get me for this..it is not legal advise but merely offered for amusement purposes like mindvox. anyone give up a session to bail me out?
naw, junkies are selfish, that’s our calling card, i, me , mine
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment

gee, i did a yr. in 69 at a road prison much like the one in the movie “Coolhand Luke”. for possession of less than 5 grams a marjiuana. what a hoot. i miss the “box” where they stripped you naked and fed you 3 cups of babyfood a day for minor infractions like talking too loud. i slept on a concrete floor, no blanket and it was solid black inside. 10 day minimum, although one dude did 235 days for screwing another inmate back there. ibonauts, can you dig it? oh, you got a free buzz cut and spray and learned to work in the swamp. anyone on the list know what a bushax is? i didn’t think so. but it’s all part of our wonderful drug history that kicks my ass everyday at 55yoa. peaceful paths all around. ron
p.s. that was drug treatment, sure helped me.
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] New 5 year penalty for use of cannabis as adjunct therapy in ibo-treatment

from http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315808.shtml
You may want to call congress persons on this
author: Slave Revolt

Prison Guest list enhancement needs to end

Friday :: April 15, 2005

5 Years for Passing a Joint: Stop this Bill Now
Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner has launched his next assault on freedom. The full House Judiciary Committee is set to vote as early as next week on H.R. 1528, which creates a new group of mandatory miniumum penalties for non-violent drug offenses, including a five year penalty for passing a joint to someone who’s been in drug treatment.

That’s right: Passing a joint to someone who used to be in drug treatment will land you in federal prison for a minimum of five years.

The “Defending America’s Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005” (H.R. 1528) was introduced by House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) on April 6, and it has already passed out of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

We warned you about this bill last September. It’s now coming home to roost. Please visit here to e-mail your U.S. representative and two U.S. senators today. Stop this bill in its tracks.

Marijuana Policy Project reports:

In addition to the shocking joint-passing provision described above,the bill would also create a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for a first-time conviction of distributing a small amount of marijuana to a person under 18 years of age … and a 10-year sentence for a second offense of distributing marijuana to a person under 21. By comparison, the average time served by convicted rapists in this country is about seven years.

MPP does not condone the distribution of marijuana to minors, nor do we advocate the use of marijuana by people recovering from substance
abuse problems. But we do believe that judges should have discretion to determine whether or not offenders in these circumstances deserve to be imprisoned for sentences as long as five or 10 years. If these mandatory minimum sentences are enacted, judges’hands will be tied.

This bill has traction because it also contains a section that serves as the House Republican leadership’s response to a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that made the Federal Sentencing Guidelines advisory, rather than mandatory.* The Republican leadership is highly motivated to pass this bill — and with it, the harsh new penalties related to marijuana.

The bill will now be debated and voted on by the full House Judiciary
Committee and — if the committee passes the bill — the full House
will then vote on it.

Families Against Mandatory Minimums (FAMM) also has an action alert on this bill. Here are the gory details, courtesy of FAMM:

Makes the federal sentencing guidelines a system of mandatory minimum sentences through a “Booker-fix” provision.
Creates new mandatory minimums that further erode judicial discretion.
Eliminates the safety valve for low-level drug offenders.
Makes virtually every drug crime committed in urban areas subject to “drug free zone” penalties that carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence.
Punishes defendants for the “relevant conduct” of co-conspirators that occurred BEFORE the defendant joined the conspiracy.
As written, H.R. 1528 would:

Effectively make the federal sentencing guidelines a system of mandatory minimum sentences through a “Booker-fix” provision. This provision forbids judges from departing below the guideline sentence in all but a few cases.

Make the sale of any quantity of any controlled substance (including anything greater than five grams of marijuana) by a person older than 21 to a person younger than 18 subject to a ten-year federal mandatory minimum sentence.

Create a new three-year mandatory minimum for parents who witness or learn about drug trafficking activities, targeting or even near their children, if they do not report it to law enforcement authorities within 24 hours and do not provide full assistance investigating, apprehending, and prosecuting the offender.

Create a new 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for any parent committing a drug trafficking crime in or near the presence of their minor child.

Mandate life in prison for persons 21 years or older convicted a second time of distributing drugs to a person under 18 or convicted a first time after a felony drug conviction has become final.

Increase to five years the federal mandatory minimum sentence for the sale of a controlled substance within 1,000 feet of a school, college, public library, drug treatment facility (or any place where drug treatment, including classes, are held), or private or public daycare facilities – in short, almost anywhere in cities across the U.S.

Eliminate the federal “safety valve,” granting it only when the government certifies that the defendant pled guilty to the most serious readily provable offense (the one that carries the longest sentence), and has “done everything possible to assist substantially in the investigation and prosecution of another person,” and would prohibit the federal “safety-valve” in cases where drugs were distributed or possessed near a person under 18, where the defendant delayed his or her efforts to provide substantial assistance to the government, or provided false, misleading or incomplete information.

This is absolutely sickening. As we said last week,

Sensenbrenner is a one-man disaster for justice. He’s been the driving force behind the Real ID Act and bills to strip judges of their discretion in sentencing and subpoena judges’ records. In 2004, he wanted to add mandatory minimum penalties to non-violent drug offenses (one example: a five year mandatory minimum sentence for passing a joint to someone who had been in a treatment center.)

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From: “Pam Paperno” <pam@lviue.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hi
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:38:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

An interesting observation: Patrick is well into his session, and appears
to be deaf. Whenever our facilitator attempts to ask him how he is, he
says, “WHAT?” She may have to nearly shout before he hears her.
I think a plane could crash into the bedroom and he wouldn’t hear it.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hi

Here’s some actual Bwiti iboga music:

http://www.musictherapyworld.de/modules/mmmagazine/showarticle.php?a
rticletoshow=63&language=en

(Maybe this link should be auto-posted once a month 🙂

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:22:40 -0700 marcus israel
<vesch69@yahoo.com> wrote:
Music?!… The insinuation of human voices, let alone
the incessant clamorings of an action movie that found
thier way under the door of my treatment room were, to
me sensually pervasive and could (should) have been
prevented.. Then, I do see the potential beneficience
of certain musics to prepare ones journey…Marcus I.
— mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:

no music for me this time either. Just me in the
dark with the noise in my head and what a huge
diffrence it made. Music the first two times in
retrospect was me wanting to control it as usual.
this time it was way too serious to start thinkin
about a playlist you know what I mean? So maybe no
music for the first 12 hours at least? The whole
thing has so much to do with ego and its like your
already trying to control this thing thats supposed
to be showing you or even better telling you what
your supposed to be seeing and hearing.
just a thought. what a beautiful day here in NYC.
Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Oh, by the way, Matt pretty much covered things-
EXCEPT that for me, the
first two times music was a blessing to have on as I
slid under the
influence of the ibogaine- this last time I was so
utterly devestatedly sick
to the point of death that I couldn’t even think
about putting on music.
Impossible. But I would have had I been aware enough
to.
I know it’s different for everyone in this regard,
and I did want it really,
really quiet when actually full on tripping, but to
begin the trip with,
music is a soothing medication sometimes, or was for
me anyway, remember
that.
I didn’t have to go to the “washroom” a whole bunch
of times, I
personally merely sat up in bed and used the bucket
right there, because I
certainly wasn’t walking to the “washroom” to do it.
Patrick probably won’t
wanna either, so perhaps you might consider letting
him use that
aforementioned puke bucket for other bodily detritus
too.
Love him.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Pam Paperno
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hi

We have found a provider who will be joining us. I
feel much better about
that, as I would rather have someone with
significant experience with it
around to make certain all goes as it should.
I have made arrangements for the kids this weekend,
and laid in many
supplies.
He is already accustomed to my nagging, so that
should be easy.
Patrick is already rather spiritual, in that he
knows all the concepts but
doesn’t quite know how they all fit together. (I
don’t think anyone does,
or they would already have ascended).
If you think of anything else, or anyone else has
ideas, I would be happy to
hear them.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi

Hi guys
Thats great!!!! Just wondering what kind of ibo did
you get, how much, and
how>?

Pam i would say the most important thing you should
do during the session is
keep absolutly quiet. No Noise whatsoever!!!. turn
everything off, make
sure the kids are out for at least 6-10 hours. keep
the place as dark as
possible…….keep a bucket handy if Patrick has to
puke…….keep some
water or juice close by during the session………i
guess you know a bit of
what to expect so dont be alarmed if he wont be able
to speak etc……..

Before the session——-i think the most important
thing is to be at least
24 hours without H…..make sure that when Patrick
takes it he will be in
full wd…..i would take a normal hit in the morning
then go all day and
night wihtout and if possible the next afternoon
…..he has to go through
that shit ….it will make the journey a bigger
success becuase ibogaine has
to breakthough the opiates first to cause any
visions………make sure he
drinks lots and i mean lots of water about 6 hours
before the
session….this is really important because during
ibo he will go to the
washroom 200hundreed times and he will SURELLY
beomce dehydrated…..after
the session it is even more importatnt to drink shit
loads of fluids….he
will definetly not want to but he has to….no
fucken joke:}….u have to
nag him after the session…….i dont know how
spiritual Patrick is and i
dont mean in the Christian sense but medidating on
the whole journey would
be beneficial but i know during wd’s its
impoosible……tell Patrick to go
with the energy….especialy in the begening when
the energy takes over it
can be overwhelming but if you dont fight it if you
go with it just follow
it fuck all let whatever might happen happen—it
should be much better..if
he gets doubts reservations during the first moments
after the enrgy starts
to set in why he took it in the first place it will
be just the ego talking
trying to still put control and fear in
him…….Pam make sure Patrick wont
use after the session…..if he has to but i trust
he is stronger than that
but if he really has to tell him to do only a
bit…the one person that died
after ibo treatment propably did her ususal hit of H
and over dosed…….
Im really excited too…please keep me posted and
tell me exactly when the
session is going to be so i can send some positive
energy your way……..
i think it would be a good idea to ask the list of
any suggestions they
might have prio/during/after the session……..i
think i mentioned the most
important factors if i remember anything else ill
let u know…..

Best of luck…..keeping my fingersed and i will be
sure to keep u both in
my thoughts:}}}}}}}}]

Namaste
Matt

From: “Pam Paperno”
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >To:
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Preston’s detox(jeff’s
question?) >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:23:16 -0700 >
Hi, Matt! >Patrick is
getting ready for his session, which should be this
weekend. What should he
do to prepare? What can I do to help him prepare?
We are both feeling
hopeful and excited. Any advice on what is helpful
before and after would
be welcome. >Pam > —– Original Message —– >
From: matthew zielinski >
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > Sent: Monday, April 18,
2005 8:30 AM > Subject:
Re: [Ibogaine]Preston’s detox(jeff’s question?) > >
LOL thats really
funny i would try that but i dont have the 99 cents
Warmest
Regards > > Matt > > > >From: “Pam Paperno”

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:36:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

THANK YOU, AM I LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE?

If you mean will ibogaine make you
LIVE COMFORTABLY
W/O TAKING MOOD OR MIND
ALTERING DRUGS

their is a very good chance that it will help allot.
But it’s not Supermahn in a pill. It doesn’t come
just in the Nick of “time”.

Are you still tapering down of the benzo’s?

-jb

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

queston from a non ibonaut: why multiple
treatments?

Why not?

do i wear dashkis and
hunt prey in the savnaha

if you want.

or can i work and

how would I know what you can do?

BE HAPPY IN MY OWN SKIN?

I hope you find what you are looking for Ron.

cheers,
jb

—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing
is
beginning to drive me
nuts !!!!!!!!

I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after
years
of 4-6 hours
after my most traumatic iboga experience, which
also left me
praying for death at times over the next few
months. We may
internalize the hostile people and environments
of
our childhood
that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to
survive, and when
iboga tries to break the grip of those
patterns,
these “introjects”
may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all
players in that game.
I think aftercare can help sort out these
battles.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
<mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:
I should be kind of a veteran at this point and
have a good idea
what to expect but this time have just been so
different. Still
only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and
still
tons of sweating

in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams.
Tried to give back a

bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was
confronted by bill

clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I’m
recalling right
now.
Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel
sick at points
throughout the day and then at other points I
can’t believe how
freakin good I feel.
Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any
easier but who
knows myabe thats why I’m even getting that
much
sleep to begin
with.
Howard once told me that you might not need as
much sleep after
ibo but I gotta say I’d love to sleep a full 8
or
even 6 hours.
Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling
pretty
damn good though.

-M.

Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well naturally you don’t want to start out
being
dehydrated at the

start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I
was just saying
that over-hydration in a short period of time
is
not a good way to

get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good
way
to get
hydrated.

If you are caring for someone who is
chronically
hydrated, and
especially an opiate user, one of the best
things
you can do for
them is give them high-fiber foods. We get
most
of our water
from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber,
the body can
manage its own best absorption rate. I really
like brown rice for

this purpose. If you can get your husband on
brown rice then
that might be a good thing.

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at
this
point. If I
don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We
just
want him re-
hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: Carlton B
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

On hydration….

If you know you are going to a place where you
cannot drink water
for a while, the best way to prepare is to
avoid
caffeine, salty
foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days
before
departure.
Have a glass of water with meals or when you
are
thirsty. You
can’t store water like a camel. If you drink
an
excess of water,
your kidneys will simply dump it within a few
hours. If you’re in

a state where you can barely open your eyes,
you
probably want to
avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:24:31 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANK YOU, AM I LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE?
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

queston from a non ibonaut: why multiple
treatments?

Why not?

do i wear dashkis and
hunt prey in the savnaha

if you want.

or can i work and LIVE COMFORTABLY
W/O TAKING MOOD OR MIND
ALTERING DRUGS

how would I know what you can do?

BE HAPPY IN MY OWN SKIN?

I hope you find what you are looking for Ron.

cheers,
jb

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is
beginning to drive me
nuts !!!!!!!!

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:16:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

queston from a non ibonaut: why multiple
treatments?

Why not?

do i wear dashkis and
hunt prey in the savnaha

if you want.

or can i work and LIVE COMFORTABLY
W/O TAKING MOOD OR MIND
ALTERING DRUGS

how would I know what you can do?

BE HAPPY IN MY OWN SKIN?

I hope you find what you are looking for Ron.

cheers,
jb

I found myself sleeping a full 8 hours after years
of 4-6 hours
after my most traumatic iboga experience, which
also left me
praying for death at times over the next few
months. We may
internalize the hostile people and environments of
our childhood
that we had to sacrifice parts of ourself to
survive, and when
iboga tries to break the grip of those patterns,
these “introjects”
may retaliate. Lack of sleep can flatten all
players in that game.
I think aftercare can help sort out these battles.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:58:57 -0700 mcorcoran
<mcorcoran27@yahoo.com> wrote:
I should be kind of a veteran at this point and
have a good idea
what to expect but this time have just been so
different. Still
only getting 3 or 4 good hours of sleep and still
tons of sweating

in my sleep and very strange post ibo dreams.
Tried to give back a

bundle of dope becasue I didn’t want it and was
confronted by bill

clinton and arrested. Thats one of the ones I’m
recalling right
now.
Anyway its kinda weird. its like I almost feel
sick at points
throughout the day and then at other points I
can’t believe how
freakin good I feel.
Going back to work this fast hasnt made it any
easier but who
knows myabe thats why I’m even getting that much
sleep to begin
with.
Howard once told me that you might not need as
much sleep after
ibo but I gotta say I’d love to sleep a full 8 or
even 6 hours.
Okay off to work. 14 days out and feeling pretty
damn good though.

-M.

Carlton B <carltonb@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well naturally you don’t want to start out being
dehydrated at the

start of a potentially dehydrating activity. I
was just saying
that over-hydration in a short period of time is
not a good way to

get hydrated. And fruit juices are not a good way
to get
hydrated.

If you are caring for someone who is chronically
hydrated, and
especially an opiate user, one of the best things
you can do for
them is give them high-fiber foods. We get most
of our water
from the food we eat, and if ingested as fiber,
the body can
manage its own best absorption rate. I really
like brown rice for

this purpose. If you can get your husband on
brown rice then
that might be a good thing.

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 9:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

My poor junky husband is pretty dehydrated at this
point. If I
don’t force him, he doesn’t eat or drink. We just
want him re-
hydrated before he’s dehydrated again.
Pam
—– Original Message —–
From: Carlton B
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

On hydration….

If you know you are going to a place where you
cannot drink water
for a while, the best way to prepare is to avoid
caffeine, salty
foods, and other diuretics for 2 or 3 days before
departure.
Have a glass of water with meals or when you are
thirsty. You
can’t store water like a camel. If you drink an
excess of water,
your kidneys will simply dump it within a few
hours. If you’re in

a state where you can barely open your eyes, you
probably want to
avoid unnecessary trips to the bathroom.

In a period of 12 to 24 hours, you won’t lose
enough fluid to
jeopardize your health unless you are in a hot
environment, doing
vigorous exercise, consuming diuretics or salty
foods, or
experiencing copious vomiting or diarrhea. (Not
talking about a
few alkaloid heaves… more like an influenza or
cholera type
experience). Generally if your body needs water,
it will produce

a sensation of thirst and allow you to drink.

On fruit juices…

Fruit juices contain a lot of sugar. Sugary
drinks like fruit
juices can cause what is called secondary
dehydration… your
blood becomes too concentrated. To correct this,
osmosis draws
fluid out of your tissues, which become
dehydrated. Also, the
high sugar content of fruit juice is taxing for
your pancreas and
endocrine system. If you are tripping or
otherwise altered, you
want your digestive system to be at rest so it
isn’t distracted
from the task of digesting alkaloids that your
stomach would
really prefer to spew across the room.

—–Original Message—–
From: Pam Paperno

Sent: Apr 22, 2005 8:09 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Reasons for Failure

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ataxia and the cerebellum
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:11:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In looking for the iboga music article, I noticed this:

http://www.musictherapyworld.de/modules/mmmagazine/showcase.html
“In the following video example it is possible to observe how the
symptom ataxia, caused by damage to the cerebellum, makes it
difficult for the patient to control his arm movements in drumming
to a regular beat given by a metronome. …”

This and the ataxia one feels on significant doses of iboga
correlate with the finding that extremely high doses of ibogaine in
rats (100 mg/kg injected into the abdomen) caused selective damage
to one type of cerebrellar cells.

This isn’t anything new or scary – just another axis on the
continuum of brain and iboga information.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2005 at 3:06:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

queston from a non ibonaut: why multiple treatments? Isn’t this wonder drug supposed to rewire the brain and keep people sober or is ibo so easy in ibo country that it becomes a crutch to always fall back on if someone is fortunate to have the jack to buy a session? no critique, just a question…i’m thinking of doing it, jealous of those that have, but hell, i can save myself a lot of money if it’s more of the same old roller coaster crap, but with a candle burning cult attached. i recall the Hari Krishnas doing it w/o ibo in the 60’s. do i wear dashkis and hunt prey in the savnaha or can i work and HER’S THE BIGGIE: LIVE COMFORTABLY W/O TAKING MOOD OR MIND ALTERING DRUGS….I.E. BE HAPPY IN MY OWN SKIN? RON
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] this not sleeping thing is beginning to drive me nuts !!!!!!!!