Ibogaine List Archives – 2005-07

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: August 1, 2005 at 12:03:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What I think he’s trying to tell us is that…..um….no scratch that, I
have no idea what he’s on about.  Such a cryptic person non?  Never know
what he’s saying!!
;o)
Lirky

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:08 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Are you trying to tell us something, here, Preston?
;}
you go…
love
tink

On 7/31/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that
chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great
together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:09:03 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

times have changed in Fl
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In 1981 in Florida a friend of mine was caught at school with seeds but no pot- the police could not arrest him because seeds were not illegal.
Weird.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Some Canadian figures on withdrawals after rapid detox.
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:01:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Some Canadian figures on withdrawals after rapid detox.

Measurement of Symptom Withdrawal Severity in a 24-Hour Period After the Anesthesia-Assisted Rapid Opiate Detoxification Procedure. Teplin D, Raz B, et al.  American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse (2005) 31;2:327-335

Dear Colleagues,
These authors from Canada should be commended for joining the small group who report aspects of outcomes after commercial rapid detox procedures.  However, the only outcome reported here is a clinical withdrawal rating at 1 and 24 hours after the rapid detox procedure in 40 subjects, 70% of whom were dependent on heroin and/or methadone.  It is not clear if they were consecutive or chosen in another manner, ‘retrospectively’.  Seventy five percent of subjects were Caucasian with the remaining 25% Asian.

In this seven page article, the ‘results’ section takes eight lines, using the somewhat clumsy wording: “The average [withdrawal score] for the group supports lowered symptoms over a 24-hour period.  For 5 out of 40 patients this was not the case, that is, their change scores were negative, which indicated increased withdrawal symptoms”.  So, as well as for some whose symptoms became worse over 24 hours, another proportion would have had no significant change in withdrawal ratings, yet these are lumped with the former 35 of 40 subjects given the procedure.  It is disappointing that the authors do not apparently trust readers with the raw data, even in a graphic form, giving only a block table of averaged scores.

Prospective patients, families and others may be disappointed that a novel, expensive treatment for a chronic condition is only examined for one single day in this publication.  It may reflect a prevalent view that some such facilities are less interested in the long term outcomes than in performing the procedure and ‘moving on’.  This institution has done more than most by publishing a series of outcome findings in a peer reviewed journal.

I have looked up the institution on a web search and found two matches.  One quotes a figure of $5300.00 (Canadian) for a procedure [http://www.westerndetox.com/price.html accessed 16/7/05], while the FAQ site is ‘under construction’ which would be something of a disappointment for prospective addicted candidates [http://www.canadadetox.com/English/faq.asp accessed 16/7/05].

Another of the linked pages states “As it stands now, 6-8 out of 10 patients who are detoxed successfully will relapse in the first six months, back to their drug of choice. In an effort to dramatically improve those numbers, our centre encourages that all patients participate both in the Naltrexone Pellet Maintenance Program and a structured aftercare program conducted by an addiction specialist.”  [Thus the suggested treatment will cost more if the naltrexone ‘pellets’ are chosen.]

Thus because the procedure has such a poor reported success rate, the clinic advises an untested and unregistered sub-cutaneous drug treatment as an optional ‘add-on’.

Everyone in the field knows how earnestly many of our patients are seeking abstinence.  It may be this factor which clouds some people’s judgment and fuels the use of expensive and unproven approaches.  The first unhappy reports of rapid detoxification for opiate addiction were from 1899 [MacLeod, N. Cure of morphine, chloral, and cocaine habits by sodium bromide. Brit Med Journ (1899) 15/4/1899 p896].  The procedure may well be appropriate for some candidates but until some selection criteria are reported with outcome results, we will remain in the dark.

comments by Andrew Byrne ..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1418817.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” http://www.csdp.org/addict/
My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:58:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In 1981 in Florida a friend of mine was caught at school with seeds but no pot- the police could not arrest him because seeds were not illegal.
Weird.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] oops
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:22:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

this is the one i actually liked…
love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:07:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are you trying to tell us something, here, Preston?
;}
you go…
love
tink

On 7/31/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that
chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great
together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sunday night in Ogunquit….
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:06:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Having a fit of silliness, I went outside to smoke a butt and blow some bubbles.
Here’s what I found about about bubbles and 3-D lighting tonight…
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:02:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’ll make it to the moon if I have to crawl
Date: July 31, 2005 at 9:21:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I finally got the job that I wanted, which will pay me for the whole
year, but I only have to work at April through October, and it comes
with benefits.  I can finally breathe again!!  I may bitch about
everything, but, after reading through some of the first things I
posted, and comparing quality of life, I have travelled a million
miles in the last few months.
Thank you all for all of your support, and long live the underground!!!
love
tink

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:16:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dana:I was living in the city, fringe yippie, circa 67-70. I remember Ruben but not you.  Banana Dave was big, Electric Circus, we handed out German one fenning coins, which was 1/4 of 1 cent and fit the subway turnstile. I worked at the Filmore East b/4 Wooodstock.  any of this sound familiar? ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 29, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Vernor Vinge. I can lend them to you. Great books. “God Shatter” is a lot like what happened to Philip Dick, or Ibogaine.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:08:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 31, 2005 at 12:21:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I’ve seen alot of new moons laying on my back.  I envy your youth which you will lose and wonder what the hell happened to it.  Enjoy, it’s a rite of passage..I wasted mine staying wasted. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

sorry for arrogant tone its a process saw a new moon
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com>
wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going
for you than a lot of o
ther
> people.  It may be hard to believe but, total
doses of only 10 mg or 20 m
g of
> ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant
effects on mood
> improvement and the ability to make better
decisions.  I’m not talking ab
out forever
> but, even for a week or so.  As with most people
you will probably not wa
nt to do
> it longer.
>
> I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell
but, have a life full
of
> romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM,
rwd3@cox.net writes:
>
> << May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler
who started in ’64.  Dru
gs
>
> have been the source of every problem I have ever
encountered that was of
>
> any significance.  I have gone from the gutter,
crawled out, crawled back
>
> and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of
dignity I ever had.  Mo
re
>
> power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak?
No discipline?  Bad
>
> genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my
bad.  Today I flutter in
>
> limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just
like me.  Today’s basement
in
>
> tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.
No romantic stories t
o
>
> remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs,
countless arrests, thousand
s
>
> wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink
anything and win,  yet
I
>
> still persist. Some on this list truly want to
help guys like me who can’
t
>
> help themselves,  others think they’re straight
because they don’t shoot
>
> dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off,
afford another session an
d
>
> allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the
nearest Doc that’ll work w
ith
>
> me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this
forum , reading the arroga
nt
>
> postings of members who live in tolerant places,
recounting the
>
> philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It
was my search for sobrie
ty
>
> that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I
make it.. To the ravers,
>
> shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to
you..have fun,  my wor
ld
>
> is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not
a blame game , I put
>
> myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but
there are times when I real
ly
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:36:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/31/05 6:47:37 AM, morning_wood263@yahoo.com writes:

<< acts 5:18-19 >>

Acts 5

18They laid hands on the apostles and put them in a public jail.

19But during the night an angel of the Lord opened the gates of the prison,
and taking them out he said,

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:11:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thankyou…he had a weird reaction to a wasp sting and a spider bite
shortly there after
and said something about insect protein based amino acids, and i was
checking to see if there was any relation to the protein types in all
the things that throw him into hystamine reaction, and
anyphlectic(sp?) shock. Wasps, and spiders and mushrooms oh my
love ya
tink
On 7/31/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
high in vegetable proteins, chitin, iron, zinc, fiber, essential amino
acids, vitamins & minerals.
But it is more likely he is allergic to the spores…(mold growths..)
Here’s a link I found..

http://www.aerias.org/kview.asp?DocId=129&spaceid=1&subid=3
luff
kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 5:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 6:46:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

acts 5:18-19
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
ROFLMAO…

On 7/30/05, Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces
of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for
Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed
such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be
canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US
officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana
Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the
highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a
cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored
Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US
and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc
Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival,
as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and
other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy
to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money
laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by
selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a
criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of
tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal
attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal
distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug
dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant
raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam”
district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite
when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that
Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the
United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that
one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related
“crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local
Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more
serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum
sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon,
Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s
extradition, which could take
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: July 31, 2005 at 2:29:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Jerr!!!!!
I’ll  just add it to my collection!!! Must have about 1000 of them now! Geez, I’m really onto it aye? Talk about fix things promptly………not even…
Anyway, just wanted to thank you!!
Luff kirk J
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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 2:03:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

high in vegetable proteins, chitin, iron, zinc, fiber, essential amino
acids, vitamins & minerals.
But it is more likely he is allergic to the spores…(mold growths..)
Here’s a link I found..

http://www.aerias.org/kview.asp?DocId=129&spaceid=1&subid=3
luff
kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 5:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:16:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:32:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Vector and slwone… thanks for input..
Still have mail going to freenet (old account) but have removed that from
outlook express mail checker.Just go online to check it from web incase that
was causing problems. Have checked clearnet settings seem to be ok…just
haven’t got around to phoning the experts at clearnet..who it turns out have
a “free” helpline unlike freenet who I just got $13 of bills from talking to
a complete idiot who didn’t know jackshit about anything. Lol
It’s only happened recently… I think when I subscribed to a new server
(kol) and didn’ use freenet for a couple of months, then let kol sub lapse,
so resubbed to freenet.. . THAT is when the probs started.
Also… and you can verify this with Patrick….concept mail has no human
beings running it.  Nor did freenet help for a long long time… but they
couldn’t even help when they did decide to reply and all they had to say was
run a virus check on YOUR server immdediately!!!!!  (my server?? Huh??) and
no reply since I wrote to ask how I did that…..
The story so far…
Kirk 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 11:38 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News

Kirk, are you still subscribed at your old addr?

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:28:58 -0700 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting
from clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through
concpet.net.nz? do they run all email for the internet for
alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:38:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk, are you still subscribed at your old addr?

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:28:58 -0700 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting
from clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through
concpet.net.nz? do they run all email for the internet for
alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

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Subject: [Ibogaine] big attachments, breathing, and the sun
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:32:47 PM EDT
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Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The bush pix are great (but filled my mailbox).

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:28:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jerry tried to post a yahoo html message to email, it did go through. I
don’t know what dbmail-smtp is and I’m too lazy to look it up but if
you read the headers, mindvox uses qmail. Unless you have a account on
the mindvox servers, there is no way it would know mailbox of user
captkirk is full, because there is no local mailbox for captkirk on
mindvox.

Wherever it is that you get email, accepts the msg and then sends out
spam saying the mailbox is full. If its not full and you keep getting
all the msgs, then something you have is configured wrong.

This is your personal email, why not contact postmaster@concept.net.nz
and show them the msg. That’s your mail server according to the error
message. If the problem is your internet provider, then it’s their
support staff’s job to help you. If the problem is your own email
reader I don’t know what to tell you but the staff at your internet
provider should help you configure it.

I stopped being lazy and looked for dbmail-smtp errors on google 😉

I would mail postmaster@concept.net.nz and tell them this.

What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting from
clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through concpet.net.nz? do they
run all email for the internet for alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

.:vector:.

http://mailman.fastxs.net/pipermail/dbmail/2004-September/005309.html

dbmail-smtp error

Ilja Booij ilja at ic-s.nl
Wed Sep 1 17:12:05 CEST 2004
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Hmm,

that looks alright.. strange

can you add -v to the command, like this:

dbmail  unix    –       n       n       –       –       pipe -v
flags= user=dbmail:dbmail argv=/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d
${recipient}

perhaps you’ll get some useful output. Please bear in mind that you’ll
get lots of output!
Please also set DBMail’s debug level to 5.

Ilja

David Young wrote:

Ilja, this is my entire master.cf file.  The dbmail line is all the
way at
the bottom.

smtp    inet    n       –       n       –       –       smtpd
-o content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
pickup  fifo    n       –       y       60      1       pickup
cleanup unix    n       –       y       –       0       cleanup
qmgr    fifo    n       –       y       300     1       nqmgr
rewrite unix    –       –       y       –       –
trivial-rewrite
bounce  unix    –       –       y       –       0       bounce
defer   unix    –       –       y       –       0       bounce
flush   unix    n       –       y       1000?   0       flush
smtp    unix    –       –       y       –       –       smtp
showq   unix    n       –       y       –       –       showq
error   unix    –       –       y       –       –       error
local     unix  –       n       n       –       –       local
virtual unix    –       n       y       –       –       virtual
lmtp    unix    –       –       y       –       –       lmtp
smtp-amavis unix –      –       n       –       5       smtp
-o smtp_data_done_timeout=1200
-o disable_dns_lookups=yes
127.0.0.1:10025 inet n  –       n       –       –       smtpd
-o local_recipient_maps=
-o smtpd_restriction_classes=
-o smtpd_helo_restrictions=
-o smtpd_sender_restrictions=
-o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject
-o strict_rfc831_envelopes=yes
uucp      unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender –
$nexthop!rmail.postfix
($recipient)
ifmail    unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=F user=ftn argv=/usr/lib/ifmail/ifmail -r $nexthop
($recipient)
bsmtp     unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=Fq. user=foo argv=/usr/local/sbin/bsmtp -f $sender $nexthop
$recipient
dbmail  unix    –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags= user=dbmail:dbmail argv=/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d
${recipient}

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ilja Booij” <ilja at ic-s.nl>
To: “DBMail mailinglist” <dbmail at dbmail.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Dbmail] dbmail-smtp error

There’s probably an error in your dbmail-smtp command. Please show us
your entry for dbmail-smtp in master.cf (in the postfix config)

Ilja

David Young wrote:

Does anyone know why I’m getting this error?  This is from the
maillog

and I don’t know how to go about tracing the problem.  I just know I
get a
lot of these every day.  Is there a way for me to make postifx/pipe
spit out
the exact command it’s sending to dbmail-smtp so I can figure out
what’s
wrong with the syntax?  By the way, I’m running
Postfix->amavis->spamassassin->postfix->dbmail I believe.

Thanks,
David

Aug 29 04:43:35 trinity postfix/pipe[19867]: C3B60D00F:

to=<user at example.com>, relay=dbmail, delay=1, status=bounced
(command line
usage error. Command output:  *** DBMAIL: dbmail-smtp version
$Revision:
1.46 $ (c) 1999-2003 IC&S, The Netherlands  Usage:
/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -n [headerfield]   for normal deliveries
(default: “deliver-to”)        /usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -m
“mailbox” -u
[username] for delivery to mailbox (name)
/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d [addresses]  for delivery
without
using scanner        /usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -u [usernames]  for
direct
delivery to users  )

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Dbmail mailing list
Dbmail at dbmail.org
https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail


Ilja Booij
IC&S B.V.

Stadhouderslaan 57
3583 JD  Utrecht
www.ic-s.nl

T algemeen: 030 6355730
T direct: 030 6355739
F: 030 6355731
E: ilja at ic-s.nl

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Dbmail at dbmail.org
https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail


Ilja Booij
IC&S B.V.

Stadhouderslaan 57
3583 JD  Utrecht
www.ic-s.nl

T algemeen: 030 6355730
T direct: 030 6355739
F: 030 6355731
E: ilja at ic-s.nl

— Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Jerry can you post the failure email you get please?  It sounds like
the
exact same thing I get, and it’s ONLY when I post to Ibogaine. Better
yet..
here’s my one. I’ve changed servers even cos I thought it was them
but
apparently not.  Is your failure notice similar to this one?

Thanks

Kirk

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

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could not
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:13:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO…

On 7/30/05, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take
six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting
for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from
Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have
been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put
barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business
records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was
no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his
compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to
use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to
citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in
1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US
since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and
prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by
MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise
human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland
MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to
seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining
the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would
only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of
CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs
and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the
world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana
seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store
on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who
note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business.
And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid
ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many
marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government
which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest
is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your
fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as
if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration,
even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going
to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our
culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the
cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:58:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um……. what the hell is this Sacrament of Transition, and what’s it got
to do with Satan and the price of fish?  And why is it so secretive that it
shouldn’t appear in public??
Juss curious
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Marko [mailto:marko@mindvox.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 3:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan;
Sacrament of Tr…

Don’t worry, there will be no split in the Sacrament of Transition 😉

Marko

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the
SOT
church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will
start
the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of
Transition.  Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out
before it
comes to  this!

Piece,
Sean

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:56:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jerry can you post the failure email you get please?  It sounds like the exact same thing I get, and it’s ONLY when I post to Ibogaine. Better yet.. here’s my one. I’ve changed servers even cos I thought it was them but apparently not.  Is your failure notice similar to this one?
Thanks
Kirk

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From: jerry harville [mailto:jharville@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 3:13 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News

Hello Again! Must be something wrong with my email system. I keep getting “failure ro deliver”

notices. If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry  

jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

Subject: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:17:47 -0500
From: “Harville, Jerry” <JHarville@dallasairmotive.com>
To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
http://news.sbc.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050727/ts_latimes/lovingothersrejects;_ylt=AnslUbrasVDpA2ux5zr03wGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] hawaiian ohana
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:33:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Ho’okahi no hulu like ia po’e”
Those people are all of the same feather

“A family is a place where minds come into contact with one another.
If these minds love one another the home will be as beautiful as a
flower garden.  But if these minds get out of harmony with one another
it is like a storm that plays havoc with the garden.”
-Buddha

“No kekahi o kakou ka pilikia malaila pu kakou a pau”
Should one of us get into trouble we will all go that way.

“Ka hana a ka makua o ka hana noia a keiki”
What parents do, children will do

love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hi tink, mudvayne, Kabbalah… 😉
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:17:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I read your email, went out and got into my car, and they played a
block of mudvayne…
Glad to hear you two are well!!
More after this BBQ we’re about to have.
love tink

On 7/30/05, Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Heya tink!!
Really happy to hear you’re doing well 😉

(wasn’t ignoring ya, computer hiccups last couple of days, fixed now)

Unrelated to anything much, listening to one of my favourite metal bands
atm – Mudvayne (interesting name?).

They have a song called Not Falling, which I like to put on at times
when a little strength help is required.
A friend of mine says this song got him through stopping smoking pot. I
just never get sick of listening to it.
For those times you’ve just gotta grit your teeth and push on through
😉

(not at all reflective of my current state of mind, btw, Mandy and I are
doing really well!)

And speaking of “middle pillar path”, for any aspiring Qabballists
amongst yas, a book Mandy is reading atm:

“Kabbalah’s Twelve Step Spiritual Method to End Your Addiction” by
Gerald Gillespie.
(name chosen by the book’s publisher, not author, apparently the author
is horrified by it)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561719609/qid=1122717033
/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9664604-9667828?v=glance&s=books&n=5
07846>

MUDVAYNE – Not Falling

Always, known in, all my time,
A little left of center now
Reflect as I realize,
That all I need is to find the middle pillar path to sit like
the sun by a star in the sky and
Just be.
Sinners, casting stones at me

I… I stand, not crawling, not falling down
I… I bleed the demons that drag me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Goodbye, sunshine, I’ve put it out again, sad
I’m over, personalities, conflicting, I don’t need
you, or anyone, but me, I’ll just be, living
My own life
I feel my glowing center grow, infecting
I feel alive
Shovel dirt over lime, plant it in myself to sit like a seed
under covers of earth and just be
Sinners, pointing fingers at me

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Come play kill
Refuse my body, refuse my shadow
Stond cold will
Refuse to lead this, refuse to follow
Bitter pills
Refuse to feed this, refuse to swallow
I’m fueled godless

Come play, come play
Kill
Just be, just be

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that drag me down (for me and no one else)

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back
in the 80s,
early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to
having the
pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could
simply find
a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the
went to la-la
land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure
centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the
mind, giving
people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them
were impossible but under these internal biological
programs, they
could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs
called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain
and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but
then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing
in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t
remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread
them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one
used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the
author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the
alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy
with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right
person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right
guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think,
if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action
cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read
fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m
thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness” Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
(due out
Sept. 2005) Cont. High Times mag/.com Cont. Editor
http://www.disinfo.com Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new
therapy for
the severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like implant that sends tiny electric shocks to
the brain.
The Food and Drug Administration’s clearance opens
Cyberonics Inc.’s
vagus nerve stimulator, or VNS, as a potential treatment for an
estimated 4 million Americans with hard-to-treat depression –
despite controversy over whether it’s really been proven to work.”

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] two ibo items from MAPS newsletter
Date: July 30, 2005 at 3:19:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

11. Up to $5,000 Grant Awarded to Iboga Therapy House
MAPS awarded a grant of up to $5000 to the Iboga Therapy House (ITH)
<http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/> for assistance in setting up a new
for-profit ibogaine clinic in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The ITH was forced to
shut down in August of last year when they unexpectedly stopped receiving
funding that enabled them to offer treatments for free. In the year of the
clinics operation, they treated 31 people with drug addiction free-of-cost
while funded entirely by marijuana seed entrepreneur Marc Emery. The grant
will primarily go to paying a salary for Program Director Sandra Karpetas,
while she builds a new business and therapeutic structure for the clinic.
They plan to start treating people by the end of this year.

12. Ibogaine Association Clinic Re-opened After Death of Patient
In the last Bulletin, I reported that the Ibogaine Association
<http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/>, a small clinic in Tijuana, Mexico had
unexpectedly shut down on January 21, 2005, causing data collection to come
to a halt for MAPS ibogaine outcome study. The cause for this sudden closure
was a patient who died after taking ibogaine. At the time the Bulletin went
to press, the autopsy report had not yet been released from the San Diego
County Medical Examiner’s Office, and so MAPS postponed releasing this
information until the cause of death was known. On June 6, 2005, we received
a copy of the autopsy report. It stated that the patient died of natural
causes, a heart attack, unrelated to ibogaine administration. This patient
was not in good health at the time of treatment, and suffered from
fibromyalgia and chronic opiate pain medication dependency, which probably
contributed to this patient’s death. The clinic closed briefly after the
incident, and then re-opened several weeks later after making several staff
and procedural changes. An additional MD from Mexico and a Naturopathic
Doctor from the US have been added to the staff in order to increase the
presence of medical personnel, and more emergency medical equipment is now
in place in case of future need. At this time, MAPS has not made a decision
on whether to resume ibogaine research at the Ibogaine Association or to
focus our efforts on the Iboga Therapy House in Vancouver. Go to the MAPS
ibogaine page to track developments on this project:
<http://www.maps.org/ibogaine/>

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:15:52 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

who is this guy?  The DEA is just another word for US government.  What store owner can withstand an attack by the US?  These guys run foreign countries.
—– Original Message —– From: “kevyn at the Cluster” <kevyn@pagancluster.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:59 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada

Just a note, in case you had not yet heard.
The DEA excersised a warrant, remember the DEA is AMerican, not Canadian, to shut down and seize his store in Vancouver.
Then had a press conference, with alot of lies about how much a bad man Marc is.
Then they arrested him in Halifax, on the other coast, still in canada, and have asked to have him extrodited to the US for trial.

what is going on here, where the US can now use their law in Canada?

I will try and find the relevant email contacts and such for anyone interested

kevyn, in Alberta

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo in Mexico and everyone gets rich
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:10:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eric may not have the credentials that some others on the list have, and he may enjoy the trappings of money as many credentialed providers do, however I found the the guy working with him, Tommy,  a dude who is very focused on sobriety , to be caring , conscientious and connected to many valuable resources as was Eric. I was surprised.  Tommy, if you find him, is a great provider. Nicely framed credentials are not necessary to be caring and giving.  However,  the hard academic achievements of those that have them certainly does not diminish their capacity to heal, it’s just sometimes those folks focus on that to their detriment.  I know highly educated, qualified people who have lost out on opportunities flaunting their diplomas,  underestimating the human equation.  An example would be the US electing  our current President for 2 terms,  love him or hate him but the human equation defiantly played the key role. I still suffer so my thinking and reasoning skills are certainly open to criticism. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:51:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean, Thanks! I have already found lots of information and support just knowing so many folks are trying to do something to help themselves and others.I live in Texas and it gets pretty scary down here. I see where the troopers have moved against Mr. Emery in B.C. not a good deal.

Jerry

UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi Jerry,

Glad you came out of the lurking shadows to join the educational, maddening, entertaining coffee bar/crackhouse/shooting gallery/,12 step, “rationally recovering,” book discussion,and all around freakish site which is Mindovox.   Seriously though, I hope you find what you need and find some support and hope here.

Peace,
Sean

From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:17:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t worry, there will be no split in the Sacrament of Transition 😉

Marko

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the  SOT
church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will start
the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of
Transition.  Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out before it
comes to  this!

Piece,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:39:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jerry,

Glad you came out of the lurking shadows to join the educational, maddening, entertaining coffee bar/crackhouse/shooting gallery/,12 step, “rationally recovering,” book discussion,and all around freakish site which is Mindovox.   Seriously though, I hope you find what you need and find some support and hope here.

Peace,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:26:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/30/2005 7:48:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, marko@mindvox.com writes:
Unfortunately, Dana (North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition), or anyone else (except me and the H1gh Pr!3sT), cannot speak
in the name of whole Sacrament of Transition.

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the SOT church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will start the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of Transition. Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out before it comes to this!

Piece,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:22:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/30/2005 11:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, jharville@sbcglobal.net writes:
If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry

The link was there, as well as the story at the bottom.

S

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:12:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Again! Must be something wrong with my email system. I keep getting “failure ro deliver”

notices. If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry

jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

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To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>

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Loving Others’ Rejects
By Ching-Ching Ni Times Staff Writer Wed Jul 27, 7:55 AM ET

ANDING, China — Chen Shangyi makes a living as a scavenger. He prides himself on having a good nose for unusual finds. So when he saw a crowd clustered around a white bundle at the local train station one day while he was hunting for empty soda cans and soy sauce bottles, he couldn’t resist taking a peek.
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It was a baby, wrapped in a thin sheet.
“Everybody was just looking. Nobody would do anything,” recalled Chen, who was 65, already retirement age, on that bitterly cold, snowy day 17 years ago.
“When I took her home, she was frozen stiff. My wife and I wrapped her in a burlap bag…. We started a fire. We fed her soup and put some old clothes on her. A while later, she started to wiggle.” Chen named her Ling Ling.
Today, the sturdy 82-year-old with deep lines on his sun-baked face still makes a living as a scavenger in this remote Chinese town of 460,000 people on the edge of the Gobi Desert. And he is still bringing home children — 42 in all, at last count.
Many were abandoned because they had been born with some form of physical disability. Over the years, Chen has developed such a reputation as a keeper of castaway kids that even the local officials send them his way. They know Chen would not reject any youngster, no matter what imperfections the child had.
“Nobody else wants them because they are afraid of trouble,” said Chen’s 81-year-old wife, Zhang Lanying. “They think these children are dirty. But I pity them. They are human beings.”
As the most populous nation, China is home to the largest disabled population in the world: about 60 million. Despite a 14-year-old anti-discrimination law that guarantees equal rights, society’s attitude toward the disabled has been slow to change. Disabled access in public places is rare. Employment prospects are grim.
In recent years they have made up only about 5% of the general population, but mentally and physically disabled people account for about one-third of the unemployed, and their living conditions are worse than those of able Chinese.
For some Chinese parents, the prospect of watching their disabled children experience a lifetime of stigma is too terrible to bear. According to recent media reports, Beijing police took in more than 400 children abandoned in the Chinese capital alone last year, about 80% of them born with physical deformities, organ abnormalities or mental impairment.
“I’d say 99% of the children here were abandoned because they were born with severe disability,” said Shi Guihua, a staff worker at a welfare center in a Beijing surburb that pays foster families to take care of about 600 children. “Many of them were left on hospital benches by parents who can’t afford to treat them.”
Towns such as Anding, in northwestern China’s impoverished Gansu province, don’t have such welfare centers, which are funded by the state and corporate donors.
Local officials say they send castaway children to Chen because they have no other way of caring for them. A new orphanage sits empty — it takes too much money to operate it.
Instead, the officials pay Chen and Zhang to do the work for them: less than $80 per month for the eight children the couple now care for.
That meager sum, plus the little cash Chen earns picking trash and all the love the couple can muster, has been enough to save a number of children from certain death.
Chen, who has only a first-grade education, worked as a laborer for years. After the economic reforms of the late 1970s, he started peddling tea drinks at the train station and collected garbage on the side.
After becoming a full-time parent, he gave up the tea business.
His first wife left him long before that, taking their two children, who are now in their 60s. He married Zhang more than 50 years ago. They have no children of their own. But they say they have cherished every one of the youngsters who have come into their three-room brick shack across the street from the train station.
Their oldest now is 12-year-old Yuan Yuan. She was born with a lump on her skull the size of a peach. Someone had left her in the yard of the municipal building. No one wanted anything do with this scary-looking child, probably then a year old.
Chen took her home.
Chen and Zhang finally saved enough money to pay for an operation three years ago to remove the growth and allow Yuan Yuan to live a more normal life. It cost about $80. Like the other children, she calls Chen and Zhang Grandpa and Grandma, or yeye and nainai.
“We love our grandparents. They work so hard for us,” said Yuan Yuan, who during a lunch break from school helps out washing the dishes, pouring hot water into thermoses and bringing chairs for yeye and nainai. “I don’t miss my parents,” Yuan Yuan said. “They are so cruel. They left us because they knew we were sick.”
Their youngest child is 2-year-old Ling Ling, named after the baby Chen found at the railway station. The baby never recovered fully from being left in the snow and suffered from frequent coughs and seizures. She never crawled or walked, and died when she was 4.
Chen found Ling Ling’s namesake crying in an alley. Born with a hunchback and uneven legs, she was just days old. Now the round-faced girl with big, pretty eyes loves to cling to yeye and nainai and keep them company while most of the older children are in school.
“If you throw a puppy out on the street, someone might pick it up, but throw a baby out on the street and no one bothers,” Zhang said as she cuddled Ling Ling close to her chest.
The sickest child in the household is 9-year-old Long Long, paralyzed and suffering from liver disease. Chen found him one day when he went to fetch water for the household. Long Long, then a baby, was in a paper box under a blazing sun, crying.
“I came home and told my wife. She said, ‘We already have too many children; we can’t take on any more,’ ” Chen recalled. “I sat on my stool and just couldn’t get over it. So I went and brought him home.”
While Long Long requires a walker to get around and needs help for virtually everything, Jin Jin, 4, can’t sit still.
Chen found the boy sleeping on a hospital lawn. He was 3 or 4 months old and naked. Nothing appeared to be wrong with him. The older Jin Jin got, however, the more his problems became apparent. The mentally impaired child needs help eating and going to the bathroom, and he often leaps from his seat without warning and dashes into the street.
The other children are used to taking care of him. When he darts out, they drop their own food to go after him. Then they help hold him down on a wooden stool so Zhang can continue feeding him.
Another child in the couple’s home, Quan Quan, was born with a harelip. Chen found him when he was about a year old at the farmers market, crawling in the dirt, eating rotten vegetables.
“Everybody knew he had been abandoned for days and was starving,” Chen said.
“He couldn’t walk yet, and his neck was this thin,” Zhang said, shaping her thumb and forefinger into a ring.
Today, 6-year-old Quan Quan performs well in school and loves to help his brothers. When not keeping an eye on Jin Jin, he plays with a kitten and 10-year-old Qiang Qiang, an undersized boy with a bad heart.
Of the 42 children Chen and Zhang have taken in over the years, 21 turned out to be healthy or suffered from very mild disabilities and were adopted. Thirteen very sick children died.
The loss of Ling Ling, their first child, still hurts the most.
“She was very pretty,” Chen said, pointing to a wall of collage photos showing all his “grandchildren.” One photo shows Ling Ling, with pigtails, dark eyes and a happy smile, sitting on the bed next to yeye and nainai.
“We buried her in a ditch by the river,” Chen said. “We couldn’t afford cremation. Of course we were sad. She was our first child.”
Even when the children are doing well, it’s not easy to support such a large family on the income of a scavenger.
Baby formula is expensive. So Chen and Zhang mix it with flour. Food is expensive. So they often serve only plain rice. In recent years, they’ve met kind people who have donated money for some daily necessities and medical procedures, but the family still lives frugally.
Now Chen worries that local officials may take his children away on the grounds that he is too old to be their caretaker. He believes a recent flurry of media reports about the children that suggested official negligence have embarrassed the officials.
Wang Yanfu, deputy head of the district civil administration bureau, said officials are prepared to rent a house and hire two workers to feed and care for Chen’s children.
“We sent him the kids before because he was young, in his 60s. Now he is too old,” Wang said by phone. “We are trying our best to convince him [to quit]. But if he doesn’t want to, there’s nothing we can do. It has to be voluntary.”
Chen says he can’t trust the government to do what’s best for the children. He said local officials continued to offer him abandoned children until only a few years ago.
“I don’t understand policy,” he said. “All I know is that when they were little, no one would come and help them. They say I am too old. I say I will raise them as long as I can.
“They’ll have to kill me first before I’ll let them take the kids away.”
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: 10th Planet Discovered
Date: July 30, 2005 at 9:43:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Subject: 10th Planet Discovered
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NASA Science News for July 29, 2005

Astronomers have found a new world bigger than Pluto in the outer
reaches of the solar system.

FULL STORY at

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From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:21:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to correct Dana’s e-mail title… and body…

Unfortunately, Dana (North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition), or anyone else (except me and the H1gh Pr!3sT), cannot speak
in the name of whole Sacrament of Transition. I understand that he is
deeply affected by what happened to M. Emery, but this doesn’t change
facts.

Dana, as any other priest of the Sacrament of Transition (or follower, for
that matter) can propose such things (and NOT declare!), and then
appropriate actions are taken. I will accept this Dana’s e-mail as a
proposition, and am kindly asking him for further evidence that Emery was
seized by Forces of Satan, as well as evidence by which Emery could be
declared a Martyr and a candidate for Sainthood.

And, I sincerely hope that all future conversation regarding internal
Sacrament of Transition matters will not appear on public mailing lists.

As for Mark Emery, I wish him all the best!

Marko

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Dana Beal wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:59:57 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry for arrogant tone its a process saw a new moon
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com>
wrote:
Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going
for you than a lot of o
ther
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total
doses of only 10 mg or 20 m
g of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant
effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better
decisions.  I’m not talking ab
out forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people
you will probably not wa
nt to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell
but, have a life full
of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM,
rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler
who started in ’64.  Dru
gs

have been the source of every problem I have ever
encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter,
crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of
dignity I ever had.  Mo
re

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak?
No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my
bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just
like me.  Today’s basement
in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.
No romantic stories t
o

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs,
countless arrests, thousand
s

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink
anything and win,  yet
I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to
help guys like me who can’
t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight
because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off,
afford another session an
d

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the
nearest Doc that’ll work w
ith

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this
forum , reading the arroga
nt

postings of members who live in tolerant places,
recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It
was my search for sobrie
ty

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I
make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to
you..have fun,  my wor
ld

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not
a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but
there are times when I real
ly

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Interesting…..
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:28:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“History is a collection of lies agreed upon” – Nepoleon Boneapart

Please read the following:-

Start with a cage containing five monkeys.

Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under
it.

Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the
banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold
water.

After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result – all
the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water.

Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other
monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water.

Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one.

The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs, to his
surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him.

After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the
stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new
one.

The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked.

The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm!

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth,
then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not
permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating
of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have
ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the
banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that’s the way it’s always been done round here.

How comfy is your reality blanket??

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi tink, mudvayne, Kabbalah… 😉
Date: July 30, 2005 at 5:56:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heya tink!!
Really happy to hear you’re doing well 😉

(wasn’t ignoring ya, computer hiccups last couple of days, fixed now)

Unrelated to anything much, listening to one of my favourite metal bands
atm – Mudvayne (interesting name?).

They have a song called Not Falling, which I like to put on at times
when a little strength help is required.
A friend of mine says this song got him through stopping smoking pot. I
just never get sick of listening to it.
For those times you’ve just gotta grit your teeth and push on through
😉

(not at all reflective of my current state of mind, btw, Mandy and I are
doing really well!)

And speaking of “middle pillar path”, for any aspiring Qabballists
amongst yas, a book Mandy is reading atm:

“Kabbalah’s Twelve Step Spiritual Method to End Your Addiction” by
Gerald Gillespie.
(name chosen by the book’s publisher, not author, apparently the author
is horrified by it)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561719609/qid=1122717033
/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9664604-9667828?v=glance&s=books&n=5
07846>

MUDVAYNE – Not Falling

Always, known in, all my time,
A little left of center now
Reflect as I realize,
That all I need is to find the middle pillar path to sit like
the sun by a star in the sky and
Just be.
Sinners, casting stones at me

I… I stand, not crawling, not falling down
I… I bleed the demons that drag me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Goodbye, sunshine, I’ve put it out again, sad
I’m over, personalities, conflicting, I don’t need
you, or anyone, but me, I’ll just be, living
My own life
I feel my glowing center grow, infecting
I feel alive
Shovel dirt over lime, plant it in myself to sit like a seed
under covers of earth and just be
Sinners, pointing fingers at me

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Come play kill
Refuse my body, refuse my shadow
Stond cold will
Refuse to lead this, refuse to follow
Bitter pills
Refuse to feed this, refuse to swallow
I’m fueled godless

Come play, come play
Kill
Just be, just be

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that drag me down (for me and no one else)

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back
in the 80s,
early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to
having the
pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could
simply find
a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the
went to la-la
land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure
centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the
mind, giving
people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them
were impossible but under these internal biological
programs, they
could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs
called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain
and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but
then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing
in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t
remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread
them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one
used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the
author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the
alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy
with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right
person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right
guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think,
if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action
cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read
fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m
thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness” Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
(due out
Sept. 2005) Cont. High Times mag/.com Cont. Editor
http://www.disinfo.com Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new
therapy for
the severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like implant that sends tiny electric shocks to
the brain.
The Food and Drug Administration’s clearance opens
Cyberonics Inc.’s
vagus nerve stimulator, or VNS, as a potential treatment for an
estimated 4 million Americans with hard-to-treat depression –
despite controversy over whether it’s really been proven to work.”

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogiane related news in July MAPS newsletter
Date: July 30, 2005 at 5:40:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Speaking of Marc Emery…

(full newsletter here:
<http://www.maps.org/sys/nq.pl?id=562&fmt=std> )

11. Up to $5,000 Grant Awarded to Iboga Therapy House
MAPS awarded a grant of up to $5000 to the Iboga Therapy House (ITH)
<http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/> for assistance in setting up a
new for-profit ibogaine clinic in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The ITH was
forced to shut down in August of last year when they unexpectedly
stopped receiving funding that enabled them to offer treatments for
free. In the year of the clinics operation, they treated 31 people with
drug addiction free-of-cost while funded entirely by marijuana seed
entrepreneur Marc Emery. The grant will primarily go to paying a salary
for Program Director Sandra Karpetas, while she builds a new business
and therapeutic structure for the clinic. They plan to start treating
people by the end of this year.

12. Ibogaine Association Clinic Re-opened After Death of Patient In the
last Bulletin, I reported that the Ibogaine Association
<http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/>, a small clinic in Tijuana, Mexico
had unexpectedly shut down on January 21, 2005, causing data collection
to come to a halt for MAPS ibogaine outcome study. The cause for this
sudden closure was a patient who died after taking ibogaine. At the time
the Bulletin went to press, the autopsy report had not yet been released
from the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s Office, and so MAPS
postponed releasing this information until the cause of death was known.
On June 6, 2005, we received a copy of the autopsy report. It stated
that the patient died of natural causes, a heart attack, unrelated to
ibogaine administration. This patient was not in good health at the time
of treatment, and suffered from fibromyalgia and chronic opiate pain
medication dependency, which probably contributed to this patient’s
death. The clinic closed briefly after the incident, and then re-opened
several weeks later after making several staff and procedural changes.
An additional MD from Mexico and a Naturopathic Doctor from the US have
been added to the staff in order to increase the presence of medical
personnel, and more emergency medical equipment is now in place in case
of future need. At this time, MAPS has not made a decision on whether to
resume ibogaine research at the Ibogaine Association or to focus our
efforts on the Iboga Therapy House in Vancouver. Go to the MAPS ibogaine
page to track developments on this project:
<http://www.maps.org/ibogaine/>

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From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 3:40:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello All,  I have just been lurking and found this while surfing at work.I cut it out and carry it so that if I start feeling the blues I read it.I have been doing fine other than I came down with viral spinal meningitis.Fever of 103.7 and had to be packed in ice….. Ok now.

My situation is that I am a chronic pain patient/recovering person who wants to us IBO to get off the morphine scripted for pain.Long story, many side effects… Just want to try and live with the pain if possable.Waiting for the time off work and I will hook up with one of the great providers that post on this list.I just wanted to let all of you that post on this list that you put out a lot of love, hope and wisdom to many folks that may be like me and are just lurking out in the nether regions.I feel like I am friends with everybody and that we just haven’t met yet. One day I hope to be able to attend a conference and meet everybody.  How about Mr. and Mrs. Chen!

Love to All, Jerry

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
i don’t have a convenient source or a legal one. thanks for the thought/
thoughts?
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

> Dear Ron,
>
> Give yourself a break. You have a lot more going for you than a lot of
> other
> people. It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg
> of
> ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
> improvement and the ability to make better decisions. I’m not talking
> about forever
> but, even for a week or so. As with most people you will probably not
> want to do
> it longer.
>
> I’m not working. Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full
> of
> romantic stories. I guess I lucked out.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:
>
> << May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.
> Drugs
>
> have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
>
> any significance. I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
>
> and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.
> More
>
> power to those that can handle it, I can’t. Weak? No discipline? Bad
>
> genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad. Today I flutter in
>
> limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me. Today’s basement
> in
>
> tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on. No romantic stories to
>
> remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands
>
> wasted. I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win, yet I
>
> still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t
>
> help themselves, others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot
>
> dope anymore. I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and
>
> allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work
> with
>
> me, but I can’t. Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the
> arrogant
>
> postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the
>
> philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for
> sobriety
>
> that led me here and keeps me here. Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,
>
> shroomers, reefer heads, trippers, more power to you..have fun, my
> world
>
> is dark and ugly and I must get out. This is not a blame game , I put
>
> myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I
> really
>
> feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of
>
> him. >>
>
>
>
>
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Loving Others’ Rejects
By Ching-Ching Ni Times Staff Writer Wed Jul 27, 7:55 AM ET

ANDING, China — Chen Shangyi makes a living as a scavenger. He prides himself on having a good nose for unusual finds. So when he saw a crowd clustered around a white bundle at the local train station one day while he was hunting for empty soda cans and soy sauce bottles, he couldn’t resist taking a peek.
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It was a baby, wrapped in a thin sheet.
“Everybody was just looking. Nobody would do anything,” recalled Chen, who was 65, already retirement age, on that bitterly cold, snowy day 17 years ago.
“When I took her home, she was frozen stiff. My wife and I wrapped her in a burlap bag…. We started a fire. We fed her soup and put some old clothes on her. A while later, she started to wiggle.” Chen named her Ling Ling.
Today, the sturdy 82-year-old with deep lines on his sun-baked face still makes a living as a scavenger in this remote Chinese town of 460,000 people on the edge of the Gobi Desert. And he is still bringing home children — 42 in all, at last count.
Many were abandoned because they had been born with some form of physical disability. Over the years, Chen has developed such a reputation as a keeper of castaway kids that even the local officials send them his way. They know Chen would not reject any youngster, no matter what imperfections the child had.
“Nobody else wants them because they are afraid of trouble,” said Chen’s 81-year-old wife, Zhang Lanying. “They think these children are dirty. But I pity them. They are human beings.”
As the most populous nation, China is home to the largest disabled population in the world: about 60 million. Despite a 14-year-old anti-discrimination law that guarantees equal rights, society’s attitude toward the disabled has been slow to change. Disabled access in public places is rare. Employment prospects are grim.
In recent years they have made up only about 5% of the general population, but mentally and physically disabled people account for about one-third of the unemployed, and their living conditions are worse than those of able Chinese.
For some Chinese parents, the prospect of watching their disabled children experience a lifetime of stigma is too terrible to bear. According to recent media reports, Beijing police took in more than 400 children abandoned in the Chinese capital alone last year, about 80% of them born with physical deformities, organ abnormalities or mental impairment.
“I’d say 99% of the children here were abandoned because they were born with severe disability,” said Shi Guihua, a staff worker at a welfare center in a Beijing surburb that pays foster families to take care of about 600 children. “Many of them were left on hospital benches by parents who can’t afford to treat them.”
Towns such as Anding, in northwestern China’s impoverished Gansu province, don’t have such welfare centers, which are funded by the state and corporate donors.
Local officials say they send castaway children to Chen because they have no other way of caring for them. A new orphanage sits empty — it takes too much money to operate it.
Instead, the officials pay Chen and Zhang to do the work for them: less than $80 per month for the eight children the couple now care for.
That meager sum, plus the little cash Chen earns picking trash and all the love the couple can muster, has been enough to save a number of children from certain death.
Chen, who has only a first-grade education, worked as a laborer for years. After the economic reforms of the late 1970s, he started peddling tea drinks at the train station and collected garbage on the side.
After becoming a full-time parent, he gave up the tea business.
His first wife left him long before that, taking their two children, who are now in their 60s. He married Zhang more than 50 years ago. They have no children of their own. But they say they have cherished every one of the youngsters who have come into their three-room brick shack across the street from the train station.
Their oldest now is 12-year-old Yuan Yuan. She was born with a lump on her skull the size of a peach. Someone had left her in the yard of the municipal building. No one wanted anything do with this scary-looking child, probably then a year old.
Chen took her home.
Chen and Zhang finally saved enough money to pay for an operation three years ago to remove the growth and allow Yuan Yuan to live a more normal life. It cost about $80. Like the other children, she calls Chen and Zhang Grandpa and Grandma, or yeye and nainai.
“We love our grandparents. They work so hard for us,” said Yuan Yuan, who during a lunch break from school helps out washing the dishes, pouring hot water into thermoses and bringing chairs for yeye and nainai. “I don’t miss my parents,” Yuan Yuan said. “They are so cruel. They left us because they knew we were sick.”
Their youngest child is 2-year-old Ling Ling, named after the baby Chen found at the railway station. The baby never recovered fully from being left in the snow and suffered from frequent coughs and seizures. She never crawled or walked, and died when she was 4.
Chen found Ling Ling’s namesake crying in an alley. Born with a hunchback and uneven legs, she was just days old. Now the round-faced girl with big, pretty eyes loves to cling to yeye and nainai and keep them company while most of the older children are in school.
“If you throw a puppy out on the street, someone might pick it up, but throw a baby out on the street and no one bothers,” Zhang said as she cuddled Ling Ling close to her chest.
The sickest child in the household is 9-year-old Long Long, paralyzed and suffering from liver disease. Chen found him one day when he went to fetch water for the household. Long Long, then a baby, was in a paper box under a blazing sun, crying.
“I came home and told my wife. She said, ‘We already have too many children; we can’t take on any more,’ ” Chen recalled. “I sat on my stool and just couldn’t get over it. So I went and brought him home.”
While Long Long requires a walker to get around and needs help for virtually everything, Jin Jin, 4, can’t sit still.
Chen found the boy sleeping on a hospital lawn. He was 3 or 4 months old and naked. Nothing appeared to be wrong with him. The older Jin Jin got, however, the more his problems became apparent. The mentally impaired child needs help eating and going to the bathroom, and he often leaps from his seat without warning and dashes into the street.
The other children are used to taking care of him. When he darts out, they drop their own food to go after him. Then they help hold him down on a wooden stool so Zhang can continue feeding him.
Another child in the couple’s home, Quan Quan, was born with a harelip. Chen found him when he was about a year old at the farmers market, crawling in the dirt, eating rotten vegetables.
“Everybody knew he had been abandoned for days and was starving,” Chen said.
“He couldn’t walk yet, and his neck was this thin,” Zhang said, shaping her thumb and forefinger into a ring.
Today, 6-year-old Quan Quan performs well in school and loves to help his brothers. When not keeping an eye on Jin Jin, he plays with a kitten and 10-year-old Qiang Qiang, an undersized boy with a bad heart.
Of the 42 children Chen and Zhang have taken in over the years, 21 turned out to be healthy or suffered from very mild disabilities and were adopted. Thirteen very sick children died.
The loss of Ling Ling, their first child, still hurts the most.
“She was very pretty,” Chen said, pointing to a wall of collage photos showing all his “grandchildren.” One photo shows Ling Ling, with pigtails, dark eyes and a happy smile, sitting on the bed next to yeye and nainai.
“We buried her in a ditch by the river,” Chen said. “We couldn’t afford cremation. Of course we were sad. She was our first child.”
Even when the children are doing well, it’s not easy to support such a large family on the income of a scavenger.
Baby formula is expensive. So Chen and Zhang mix it with flour. Food is expensive. So they often serve only plain rice. In recent years, they’ve met kind people who have donated money for some daily necessities and medical procedures, but the family still lives frugally.
Now Chen worries that local officials may take his children away on the grounds that he is too old to be their caretaker. He believes a recent flurry of media reports about the children that suggested official negligence have embarrassed the officials.
Wang Yanfu, deputy head of the district civil administration bureau, said officials are prepared to rent a house and hire two workers to feed and care for Chen’s children.
“We sent him the kids before because he was young, in his 60s. Now he is too old,” Wang said by phone. “We are trying our best to convince him [to quit]. But if he doesn’t want to, there’s nothing we can do. It has to be voluntary.”
Chen says he can’t trust the government to do what’s best for the children. He said local officials continued to offer him abandoned children until only a few years ago.
“I don’t understand policy,” he said. “All I know is that when they were little, no one would come and help them. They say I am too old. I say I will raise them as long as I can.
“They’ll have to kill me first before I’ll let them take the kids away.”
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From: kevyn at the Cluster <kevyn@pagancluster.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:59:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just a note, in case you had not yet heard.
The DEA excersised a warrant, remember the DEA is AMerican, not Canadian, to shut down and seize his store in Vancouver.
Then had a press conference, with alot of lies about how much a bad man Marc is.
Then they arrested him in Halifax, on the other coast, still in canada, and have asked to have him extrodited to the US for trial.

what is going on here, where the US can now use their law in Canada?

I will try and find the relevant email contacts and such for anyone interested

kevyn, in Alberta

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:33:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i don’t have a convenient source or a legal one.   thanks for the thought/ thoughts?
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64. Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had. More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:31:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

From: “Harville, Jerry” <JHarville@dallasairmotive.com>
Subject: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:17:47 PM EDT
To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 1:40:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take
six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting
for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from
Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have
been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put
barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business
records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was
no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his
compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to
use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to
citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in
1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US
since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and
prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by
MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise
human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland
MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to
seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining
the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would
only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of
CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs
and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the
world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana
seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store
on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who
note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business.
And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid
ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many
marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government
which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest
is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your
fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as
if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration,
even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going
to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our
culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the
cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

____________________________________________________
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:46:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I did the od thing, myself…some ridiculous number in very short
time, and it STILL didn’t stop me.  It took an ass whooping in Miami
for 6 years….don’t do it!!
beatriceblue…keep posting
love ya girl
tink

On 7/30/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2005 7:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.

Hi,

Yeah, that’s the point I got too.  Enough. No fun anymore, really much
harder work than my dayjob keeping up with my habit, which really was not
all that progressed.  But it was far enough for me, and that is what counts.
I was overdosing regularly, and could never seem to get much tolerance,
even though I was getting withdrawal symptoms when I stopped. Read on line
that HIV and HepC seem to make overdose much more common. I really think
that is what was happening to me.  Eleven ODs in one year, and again I was
not a hard-core doper.
Two bags in a day was my limit. Rarely I would use three or four, spread out
over like twelve hours or more.  Overdoing on a regular certainly took the
fun out of dope use.  I am really lucky that there was always someone there
to give rescue breathing, or call 911. Otherwise I would not be here typing
right now.

Please keep posting, you will find the answer.

Peace,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:41:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 7:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.

Hi,

Yeah, that’s the point I got too.  Enough. No fun anymore, really much harder work than my dayjob keeping up with my habit, which really was not all that progressed.  But it was far enough for me, and that is what counts.  I was overdosing regularly, and could never seem to get much tolerance, even though I was getting withdrawal symptoms when I stopped. Read on line that HIV and HepC seem to make overdose much more common. I really think that is what was happening to me.  Eleven ODs in one year, and again I was not a hard-core doper.
Two bags in a day was my limit. Rarely I would use three or four, spread out over like twelve hours or more.  Overdoing on a regular certainly took the fun out of dope use.  I am really lucky that there was always someone there to give rescue breathing, or call 911. Otherwise I would not be here typing right now.

Please keep posting, you will find the answer.

Peace,
Sean

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 29, 2005 at 9:09:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 7:08:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I took Naltrexone (also called Revia), which is an opiate antagonist.  It’s what
the use for the Ultra Rapid or what they put people that are clean on it so they
can’t use.  Also they use it for terminally ill patients to keep them from
becoming addicted.  Go figure, huh.  Anyway, I quit cold turkey after over 4
years for using, and the doctor that sent me home with pills sent me home
with Naltrexone also, making sure to tell me not to at it until I returned you
him 3 days later.  I did, he gave it to me, and it was the absolute excruciating
pain I’d ever experience for 3-4 hours.  But, after that I was amazing fine.
Could sleep, felt great and electric.  I’m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.  Crawling out of my skin.  But worried
because it’ no longer some recreation use, it’s now been a 10+ career.

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 7:07:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I took Naltrexone (also called Revia), which is an opiate antagonist.  It’s what
the use for the Ultra Rapid or what they put people that are clean on it so they
can’t use.  Also they use it for terminally ill patients to keep them from
becoming addicted.  Go figure, huh.  Anyway, I quit cold turkey after over 4
years for using, and the doctor that sent me home with pills sent me home
with Naltrexone also, making sure to tell me not to at it until I returned you
him 3 days later.  I did, he gave it to me, and it was the absolute excruciating
pain I’d ever experience for 3-4 hours.  But, after that I was amazing fine.
Could sleep, felt great and electric.  I’m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.  Crawling out of my skin.  But worried
because it’ no longer some recreation use, it’s now been a 10+ career.

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:47:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have not taken Ibo, I have extensive experiance with Naltrexeone, I would wait at least 15 days after the last opiate in my body before I put Naltrexeone in me. 4-5 days you will know it…
bf
—– Original Message —– From: “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:38:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have not taken Ibo, I have extensive experiance with Naltrexeone, I would wait at least 15 days after the last opiate in my body before I put Naltrexeone in me. 4-5 days you will know it…
bf
—– Original Message —– From: “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:38:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don’t do it…you don’t need it after ibo.  Not  apleasant substance.
That’s just my uneducated opinion.  How are you, anyway/
Love tink

On 7/29/05, Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:34:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: A Sunspot Emerges
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:34:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2005 4:17 PM
Subject: A Sunspot Emerges
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 29, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

As anticipated, an active sunspot group has emerged over the sun’s
eastern limb, and it is slowly turning to face Earth.  If the spot’s
recent high level of activity continues, Earth-directed explosions
could spark geomagnetic storms and auroras next week.  Visit
spaceweather.com for more information and updates.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 5:15:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 5:11:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:57:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 29, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Vernor Vinge. I can lend them to you. Great books. “God Shatter” is a lot like what happened to Philip Dick, or Ibogaine.

Dana/cnw

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:52:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nam yoho rengaikyo…
(phonetics rock- I know it’s spelled wrong :] )
May you find the peace you seek!
Love you tons
tink

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
thanks mom, love you too
don´t worry i´ll be very safe in a buddhist temple in poland without
talking only sitting zen and bowing and chanting and btw offline the
next 5 weeks
take care
ekki

Am 29.07.2005 um 22:30 schrieb tink:

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
it´s nearly three month past now.
wasn´t a big deal. don´t like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know it´s over.
isn´t that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad it´s over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted,
but
it´s good i don´t live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin
anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:42:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks mom, love you too
donīt worry iīll be very safe in a buddhist temple in poland without talking only sitting zen and bowing and chanting and btw offline the next 5 weeks
take care
ekki

Am 29.07.2005 um 22:30 schrieb tink:

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but
itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:30:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but
itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:27:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 3:48:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] zedd and the seeker
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:54:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Zedd shook his head slowly. ‘I told you before. Weren’t you
listening? A Seeker appoints himself.  Before you could become a
Seeker, you had to pass one determinative test.  You had to show me
you could use all your mind. For many years, you have kept part of it
locked away. Your anger. I had to know you could release it, call upon
it. I’ve seen you angry, but you were unable to admit your anger to
yourself. A Seeker who couldn’t allow himself to use his anger would
be hopelessly weak.  It is the strength of rage that give the heedless
drive to prevail.  Without the anger, you would have turned down the
sword, and I would have let you, because you wouldn’t have had what
was required.  But that is irrelevant now. You have proven you are no
longer a prisoner to your fears.  Be cautioned, though.  As important
as it is to be able to use your rage, it is equally important to be
able to restrain it.  You have always had that ability.  Don’t let
yourself lose it now. You must be wise enough to know which path to
choose.  Sometimes letting out the anger is an even more grievous
mistake than holding it in.'”
-from the silly book I’m reading by terry goodkind
love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:49:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love to our mutual friend and you as well…
when are we all going to get together and not use drugs?
:]
tink
On 7/29/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hey Tink,

Great to read your experience as well. The LES NEP has been a life saver for
quite a few people I know.  I plan to volunteer there eventually.  BTW, a
mutual friend of ours sends his best.  Always enjoy reading your posts.

S

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:45:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink,

Great to read your experience as well. The LES NEP has been a life saver for quite a few people I know.  I plan to volunteer there eventually.  BTW, a mutual friend of ours sends his best.  Always enjoy reading your posts.

S

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:38:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 1:15:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, matt@itsupport.net writes:
This seems like a good place to post some of my own story

Thanks Matt for your posting your story.  It does seem that some major changes are necessary after detox for most of us to prevent returning to dope. Only makes sense I guess.
Most of my friends actually found geographical change helpful.  The combination of desire to stay “clean” and being far from the old connections made it much easier for them. A minority got involved with 12 step groups. But for those who can click with those groups, they certainly did seem to help.  I  have accepted that will never be a God believer, so 12 step groups are really not my thing. Fortunately though, there are agnostic meetings of AA nearby which are essentially AA//NA without the steps. I have made some friends there, which helps tremendously. And this list of course and the broader Ibo community.  I’m someone who needs face to face social support as well.  Anyway, thanks so much for your post.

Sean
From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:34:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

After 18 years of heroin and coke, and crack, and whatever else worked
and was available, and multiple trips to methadone clinics and
suboxone docs, i have to say that harm reduction, especially the
wackos at the LES NEP, had a major part in helping me get and stay
clean. They were the only people I knew wouldn’t look at me like a
pariah for stumbling in, wrecked, begging for a rehab.  They always
found me a spot somewhere, and didn’t ostracize me when i came back
for clean works a couple of weeks later, after the next relapse
happened.
I still smoke weed, and occasionally indulge in a glass of wine, but
it hasn’t-as of yet-caused me to feel the need to go out and use
anything else.  The second it does, that’s the end of it.
Progress, not perfection.
I’m sorry that the ibo didn’t work for you, and hope you can find some
peace within yourself.    It’s been a long and brutal road to
semi-sobriety, but I wouldn’t change a second of it.  I’ve learned to
take a step back and view all of the shit I’ve put myself and friends
and family through (as well as the shit I’ve been put through) with
new eyes, and am trying to draw the strength of survival out of the
misery.  I wouldn’t trade the foundation of knowledge I’ve gleened
from all of this, and though I may not be the best person in the
worls, i know that i truly can survive just about anything that comes
my way these days (barring acts of nature and drunk drivers).  As long
as i don’t stick another freakin’ needle in my arm.  Well, leg.
Sending you some light and love, and keep posting.  There are many who
care.  As Sean said succinctly, try not to let the anger and fear of
self to drag you down. We are all worth a decent shot at life, and we
are all worthy of love and diginty.  You can get that from all of us,
if you find yourself a bit on the short side.
Love to you
tink

On 7/29/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:45:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:
May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

Hi,

I hear you.  My crack and then dope/coke addiction (IV) has destroyed my
health, led me to selling my body, my morals and my soul.  Sure there were
times when it was a blast, but when it got ugly, it was really ugly.  Of
course in the end, with the onset of physical addiction to the dope, for me
at least, the good times were over.

I am not anti drug per se. There are those who can enjoy some good weed,
some drinks, and the occasional line of coke or H even. I have met them. I
am also entirely against the war on some drugs and users. Further,  I
support harm reduction, which enabled me to stop when I was ready, without
some former drug user with a urine test and a piece of paper one the wall,
further stripping me of my dignity while telling me I must stop now.
Fortunately I escaped the law almost entirely.

As for those on the list who still toke, drink or trip, I do believe from a
harm reduction viewpoint that they have made great progress in that they are
no longer abusing opiates. Any positive change is the motto of harm
reduction. For me, however, any high makes me long for my true chemical
loves, speedballs or crack.  So I am much happier at the moment without any
drugs (except my morning coffee). Certainly wouldn’t tell others what to
though.

My advice for what it is worth is to seek any means of detox right now it
Ibo is not a possibility for you. Given the difficulties in obtaining Ibo,
it is too risky IMO to wait around for the time and money to obtain it if
you are deeply suffering right now.  I had to detox this last time without
an Ibo treatment for essentially those reasons.  I did experience a booster
dose toward the end of my detox which helped with residual withdrawal, but I
was already 95% though the worst.

My thoughts will be with you today. I hope you keep posting, and more
important that you will get help with detox, by whatever means.  You have
dignity, you have worth. Being a suffering addict does not take that us away
from us. It is our birthright as humans, I believe.
Being a suffering “addict” does not change that.

Peace to you,
Sean

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:14:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This seems like a good place to post some of my own story.  I just recently
re-signed up for this list, I subscribed to the old one 5 or 6 years ago.
My story is much like yours Ron, up to a point.  I was addicted to alcohol
from a very early age and suicidally depressed by the time I was 21 and
legally able to drink.  I had always done any drug that came around, and any
drug that came around often was a source of problems.  But alcohol was
always readily available and I always preferred to go down rather than up.
I have experience with just about every drug of abuse and certainly
something from every broad category (upper, downer, hallucinogen,
whatever…).
In my early twenties I substituted heroin for alcohol.  I had tried heroin
before that, but at that point I actually made an effort to stop drinking
using heroin.  By that time I had already tried, given up, tried again, and
given up again, getting sober in AA.  Well the substitution worked and I
became a regular heroin user and a non-drinker and for a time things got
better.  I enjoyed my life again.  Needless to say it couldn’t last and
eventually I started down the road of losing everything of value in my life,
betraying every trust anyone showed me, and crossing every line I had always
said I would never cross.
And then I remembered that I had read in MAPS about ibogaine and it’s
effectiveness in treating heroin addiction.  So I sought out a source,
obtained some and took it.  My first experience was a powerful trip but did
not work for me and even though I was not dope sick, I was using again 3
days later.  So I obtained some more.  The second time was a little
different and I stayed clean for 30 days and then returned to heroin use.
So I obtained it again. The third time I was scared from the power of the
previous experience and my addiction battered psyche didn’t feel up to a
full dose, so I split it with a strung out friend.  We both tripped but did
not have enough even to attenuate the withdrawal very well and both of us
used again within a few days. So being a stubborn motherfucker with a strong
desire for the easiest possible way to get where I want to be, I once more
obtained some ibo, this time a larger dose.  And I once again got scared and
split it with the same friend and even though we both took a greater dose
that time, it did not work and we both returned to using.
So I gave up on ibo.  I used heroin for a few more years, wound up homeless,
friendless, penniless, etc…  Did crimes and begged spare change for money
and lost every ounce of self-esteem I ever might have accumulated.  I got
the methadone to try and get off the heroin and all I really did was start
using both.  The methadone helped me stay well enough to do what I had to do
to get the money for heroin.  Predictably, I wanted to die once more.  I
moved into my Father’s garage and got him to pay for my methadone and I had
no job and no friends and no reason to live.  I was in my early thirties by
then.
So after a few years of that, I decided to give ibo another try.  I had off
and on stayed in touch with the person who helped me obtain it the other 4
times and I contacted him and he sent it to me again.  And that is where my
story changes.  It worked.  I had a spiritual experience.  I could describe
more or less in words what my interpretation was of what happened but I
could never actually relate it in a way that is as meaningful as the
experience was so I usually just stick to the vague but accurate description
that I used above and say that I had a spiritual experience.
As soon as I got clean I knew I had to change some things about how I lived
and operated in this world or I wouldn’t stay clean.  My friend who I
mentioned above, who did the ibo with me, had gone to NA and somehow managed
to get and stay clean while I was living in my Dad’s garage still.  We had
both on and off made half hearted attempts to get clean in NA over the years
but until he got clean it had never worked for either of us.  So within a
few days of getting clean with the ibo I started going to NA regularly.  Now
I have been clean for two years.  And not to offend anyone who uses the word
differently, everyone gets to have their own experience, but when I say
clean I mean the way they use the word in NA, which means nothing stronger
than caffeine or nicotine.  But just for the record I quit smoking using the
patch about a month before I took ibo so for me caffeine is the strongest
drug I have taken in a two years now.
I think that my last ibogaine experience resolved my most basic objection to
12 step recovery, which was all around the word God.  The ibogaine gave me
an understanding of what that word can mean that works for me and it’s not
actually any different from the description I saw in Ekki’s post below
about, ” universal impersonal merciless relentless love”.
The irony of all of this is that while I have never shared openly with the
NA community as a whole about my ibogaine experience, I have recently begun
to share it with more people in NA, and some of them are threatened by it.
A drug that interrupts drug addiction is antithetical to some of NA’s most
basic premises.  Namely that when, “we take drugs in any form we release our
addiction all over again.”  Since NA is basically my community these days,
(I hang out with people from NA, my friends are all in NA, I met my
girlfriend in NA, my boss is in NA, etc…) I feel a little like I have to
keep my understanding and experience about ibogaine to myself so as not to
alienate myself.  I get that their closed mindedness is really their issue
not mine, but they are members of the community where I have chosen to make
my home.  I want to stress also that not everyone I have spoken to about it
is so threatened, but the fact that any of the people who I consider to be
my friends was, came as a bit of a shock to me.
Anyway, that’s my story.  I hope you see some hope for yourself in there Ron
because I don’t believe anyone passes the point of no return from addiction
until they are actually dead.  So as long as you’re still posting here,
there’s a chance for you to experience being clean too.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:37 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More
power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad
genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in
limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to
remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands
wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I
still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t
help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot
dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and
allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant
postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the
philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety
that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,
shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world
is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put
myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really
feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of
him.
—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are
really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey
on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with
tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides,
emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small
doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in
nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants
to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent
condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you
won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where
there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions
and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every
weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for
dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and
smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like
states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of
high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together
with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem,
feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections
on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console
games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope.
the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a
vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating.
when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but
synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my
moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on
autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm
breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo
is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to
pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me.
then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was
like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and
motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my
eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating
in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i
focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose
down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and
then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a
switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him
watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless
relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and
left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was
dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness
and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify
with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the
body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where
a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of
the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will
be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood
what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short
walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the
old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision
all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last
few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply
without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit
exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better
than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug
addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line
of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h
but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of
withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great
preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need
for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

PS here two photos from the other night i recently wrote about,
unfortunately not very good ones, but the only ones i got. i´m the guy
in the olive shirt.

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 11:52:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:45:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:
May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

Hi,

I hear you.  My crack and then dope/coke addiction (IV) has destroyed my health, led me to selling my body, my morals and my soul.  Sure there were times when it was a blast, but when it got ugly, it was really ugly.  Of course in the end, with the onset of physical addiction to the dope, for me at least, the good times were over.

I am not anti drug per se. There are those who can enjoy some good weed, some drinks, and the occasional line of coke or H even. I have met them. I am also entirely against the war on some drugs and users. Further,  I support harm reduction, which enabled me to stop when I was ready, without some former drug user with a urine test and a piece of paper one the wall, further stripping me of my dignity while telling me I must stop now. Fortunately I escaped the law almost entirely.

As for those on the list who still toke, drink or trip, I do believe from a harm reduction viewpoint that they have made great progress in that they are no longer abusing opiates. Any positive change is the motto of harm reduction. For me, however, any high makes me long for my true chemical loves, speedballs or crack.  So I am much happier at the moment without any drugs (except my morning coffee). Certainly wouldn’t tell others what to though.

My advice for what it is worth is to seek any means of detox right now it Ibo is not a possibility for you. Given the difficulties in obtaining Ibo, it is too risky IMO to wait around for the time and money to obtain it if you are deeply suffering right now.  I had to detox this last time without an Ibo treatment for essentially those reasons.  I did experience a booster dose toward the end of my detox which helped with residual withdrawal, but I was already 95% though the worst.

My thoughts will be with you today. I hope you keep posting, and more important that you will get help with detox, by whatever means.  You have dignity, you have worth. Being a suffering addict does not take that us away from us. It is our birthright as humans, I believe.
Being a suffering “addict” does not change that.

Peace to you,
Sean

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 10:37:14 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers, shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of him.
—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are
really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey
on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with
tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides,
emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small
doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in
nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants
to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent
condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you
won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where
there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions
and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every
weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for
dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and
smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like
states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of
high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together
with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem,
feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections
on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console
games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope.
the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a
vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating.
when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but
synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my
moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on
autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm
breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo
is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to
pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me.
then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was
like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and
motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my
eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating
in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i
focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose
down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and
then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a
switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him
watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless
relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and
left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was
dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness
and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify
with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the
body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where
a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of
the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will
be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood
what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short
walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the
old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision
all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last
few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply
without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit
exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better
than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug
addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line
of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h
but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of
withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great
preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need
for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

PS here two photos from the other night i recently wrote about,
unfortunately not very good ones, but the only ones i got. i´m the guy
in the olive shirt.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:16:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wowwww Preston… its very rarely I feel like that,,, but that is EXACTLY where I’m stewing.  And because of my own stupid naieve country girl type idiotic views of this completely fucked up dishonest dog eat dog chomp people like me up and spit us out then shit n piss on us just for a laugh…..where do I live????? Butterflies n Zebras, n fairytales, that’s all I ever think about, flying with the wind.
Shoot me now please I don’t belong here.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 6:44 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

Thanks Lorenzo. Sitting here in a very angry, fuming, hurt feelings mood, so thanks for the comment, I needed to see it. (Not hurt over the “10 percent” comment, something completely unrelated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lorenzo
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans 

— ekki wrote:


> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:43:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Lorenzo. Sitting here in a very angry, fuming, hurt feelings mood, so thanks for the comment, I needed to see it. (Not hurt over the “10 percent” comment, something completely unrelated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lorenzo
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki wrote:

> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:27:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me.<

American Gods was pretty cool though.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

> I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
> you
> asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
> books.
> The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
> brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

> heroin
> and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
> to
> just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
> representation of
> the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:26:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here :)<

LOL, awwww, that’s not true Vector, it’s closer to something like 9.9999899998989989 percent of them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Patrick posted this a long time ago, I think the list grew by 500
people every six months since late 2000, then topped 7,000 when Matt
Drudge linked the KRON Deborah & Patrick show from the front page of
his site. The KRON video if you missed it was a news broadcast that was
a 10 minute long ibogaine commercial for Dr. Mash and Patrick and
featured nobody except them.

If you’re not in the US, Matt Drudge has a huge readership, he is like
the Howard Stern of yellow journalism, his version of watergate was
breaking the Clinton and Monica Lewinsky story. He’s also a ultra
conservative republican who put ‘hallucinogen that cures drug
addiction’ on the front page of his site. Which is a lot more then any
ultra liberal publication has ever done. How’s that for irony 🙂

His site may be ultra conservative, but millions of morons load it up
each day. His hit rate is higher then Fox News, the main disinformation
station in the US 🙂

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=drudgereport.com

The list is probably over 10,000 subscribers over all the years,
Patrick said the real number was closer to 5,000 since people signed
off or the list threw them off when their mail started bouncing, Howard
listed it as 6,000 in 2004.

I’ve been on here since the first 6 months, maybe 2,000 people have
posted something over all those years and maybe 500 people have written
more then 95% of all messages here.

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

MindVox is a little psychotic 🙂 in spite of or because of this, it
still hits higher then any other ibogaine site:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.mindvox.com

It’s at 500,000, a slow week 😉 Not that Alexa is all that accurate
either because it doesn’t list spyware free browsers like firefox,
safari, but for comparison, ibogaine.org is at 4.5 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.org

Ibogaine.co.uk is at 5.1 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.co.uk

Most other ibogaine sites hit so low they aren’t even tracked.

Alexa doesn’t track mail, only browsers. If MindVox ever mirrors the
list to a php web portal, it will probably hit the top 1,000 within a
month 😉

Someone should pay be a salary or give me email @phantom.com already.
I’ve been asking for 4 years now 😉

.:vector:.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:24:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang in AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 12:36:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

go preston
it’s your birthday
:] love ya
tink

On 7/28/05, Lorenzo <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com> wrote:
I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content
and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all
messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From:
Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of
humans

— ekki wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

________________________________
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From: “Lorenzo” <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:50:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki wrote:

> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:35:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you Ekki.

tink

On 7/28/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
thanks vector,
and dear all 5000++ people, herewith i send you intimite lovely
greetings! this was meant personally!

cheers
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:34:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good Omens… ROFLMAO!!!!!
love ya kirkie
tink

On 7/28/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Humourous authors rock… Terry Pratchett  disc world novels.. light good
English humour , Robert Rankin (the case of the voodoo handbag..funny
funny),
Need laughter.
Can’t exist without it.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 9:11 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:44:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Humourous authors rock… Terry Pratchett  disc world novels.. light good
English humour , Robert Rankin (the case of the voodoo handbag..funny
funny),
Need laughter.
Can’t exist without it.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 9:11 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Randy Safe.
Date: July 28, 2005 at 6:38:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Somewhere,..deep in the jungle,..are living some little men and women,
they are our past,…and maybe,…maybe they are our future.

Deep Forest.

Hey Randy,…I am glad you are safe,..not to nice having a gun to your
head.

I love you bro’.

with love, Jasen.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:44:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks vector,
and dear all 5000++ people, herewith i send you intimite lovely greetings! this was meant personally!

cheers
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:23:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Be safe ekki…
love ya
tink

On 7/28/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
while the sore throat quickly went by i cannot recommend echinacea
after ibogaine.
both increase pulse rate and i felt it is a strain on the heart,
especially when drinking coffee on top of it.

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:35 schrieb ekki:

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being
wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s
already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now
this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of
rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on
monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was
busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i
remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of
continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to
take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after
doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:20:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Let’s not forget Margaret Atwood and Orson Scott Card, though
addiction has nothing to do with their work, and there’s always Ursala
K Le Guin.  And Frank Herbert.
Let’s hear it for spice…
love tink

On 7/28/05, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:11:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:05:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Patrick posted this a long time ago, I think the list grew by 500
people every six months since late 2000, then topped 7,000 when Matt
Drudge linked the KRON Deborah & Patrick show from the front page of
his site. The KRON video if you missed it was a news broadcast that was
a 10 minute long ibogaine commercial for Dr. Mash and Patrick and
featured nobody except them.

If you’re not in the US, Matt Drudge has a huge readership, he is like
the Howard Stern of yellow journalism, his version of watergate was
breaking the Clinton and Monica Lewinsky story. He’s also a ultra
conservative republican who put ‘hallucinogen that cures drug
addiction’ on the front page of his site. Which is a lot more then any
ultra liberal publication has ever done. How’s that for irony 🙂

His site may be ultra conservative, but millions of morons load it up
each day. His hit rate is higher then Fox News, the main disinformation
station in the US 🙂

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=drudgereport.com

The list is probably over 10,000 subscribers over all the years,
Patrick said the real number was closer to 5,000 since people signed
off or the list threw them off when their mail started bouncing, Howard
listed it as 6,000 in 2004.

I’ve been on here since the first 6 months, maybe 2,000 people have
posted something over all those years and maybe 500 people have written
more then 95% of all messages here.

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

MindVox is a little psychotic 🙂 in spite of or because of this, it
still hits higher then any other ibogaine site:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.mindvox.com

It’s at 500,000, a slow week 😉 Not that Alexa is all that accurate
either because it doesn’t list spyware free browsers like firefox,
safari, but for comparison, ibogaine.org is at 4.5 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.org

Ibogaine.co.uk is at 5.1 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.co.uk

Most other ibogaine sites hit so low they aren’t even tracked.

Alexa doesn’t track mail, only browsers. If MindVox ever mirrors the
list to a php web portal, it will probably hit the top 1,000 within a
month 😉

Someone should pay be a salary or give me email @phantom.com already.
I’ve been asking for 4 years now 😉

.:vector:.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:58:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang in AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] .ppt
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:54:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 28.07.2005 um 14:47 schrieb darkmattersfo@comcast.net:

Try this link, I don’t know this site personally, but I googled it.

http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00153.htm

thanks! there was a link to icWord and i sucked a commercial demo. need to wait 20 sec before it starts and crashes when trying to open Anderson_Ibogaine05.ppt
microsoft´s viewer only runs on os 9 and i kicked that a while ago. no wonder everyone installs office x with a crack if it´s such a hassle to view ppts on mac.

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:49:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:46:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

while the sore throat quickly went by i cannot recommend echinacea after ibogaine.
both increase pulse rate and i felt it is a strain on the heart, especially when drinking coffee on top of it.

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:35 schrieb ekki:

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:07:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy,

Glad you are OK.  Never been jumped or help up “clean.”  Must suck even more in way. Good to have you posting again, and again happy that you were not harmed physically.

Sean

From: “Aristide NGUEMA” <aristide.nguema@laposte.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] About Iboga
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:53:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:05:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, I have no idea whats she is afraid of or why the data is not published. Please ask her.
Good luck and peace.

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:47:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Try this link, I don’t know this site personally, but I googled it.

http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00153.htm

Am 28.07.2005 um 08:17 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

does anyone know a freeware powerpoint viewer for mac os x?

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:16:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well yall, call me crazy but I’m going back to finish the outside of that house today. Dark grey trim with light grey everywhere else. It ought to look good when I’m done with it.  Love to all and Ibogaine to those who need it.            Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 28, 2005 at 7:54:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If I had a steady supply of both the money and the ibogaine, I would still be seriously considering ibogaine maintenance, but things haven’t worked out quite the way I had figured a few months ago. I am still interested in doing so, since I still use opiates and do know my tolerance will go back up no matter what I do it seems- but perhaps maintenance would help me keep that in check.
If I do start with that sort of thing at some point, I’ll let you know.
But actually, so far I prefer the idea of the occasional re-set if you will- from once every 6 weeks up to waiting 6 month intervals- really actually whatever I feel is necessary at any given point- anywhere from a large booster dose (in my mind at LEAST a 600, up to a gram- not a measly 300 booster, which didn’t really do much for me beyond the four hours I felt its effects physically, doing not much of anything to reduce my tolerance at that point- 600 was MUCH better, but still coulda been better still at a gram weight “booster” in my opinion, in my own case) all the way to full treatment dose levels.
As we all know, I take personally the comments about people using ibogaine merely to continue their useage of opiates, and to those who snipe every so often about that, I say, take a flying leap. You’ve got the right idea in my mind Krista, HARM REDUCTION, and getting the most out of the least amount of opiates you need is DEFINITELY PREFERABLE to NOT using ibogaine to do so merely because some people think it too “holy” or “sacred” a plant to use in such manner. Hum-bug I say, hum-bug!
;0-))
Hope this helps somewhat.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston

Preston I’m very curious, you mentioned that you were starting the
ibogaine maintenance with opiates at the same time. Did you take a
booster and then start, or start afterwards when you had reset your
tolerence?

I know this conversation upsets some people on the list but I am far
more interested in harm reduction then what some person decides is
that right choice for everyone and with the exception of Patrick’s
paper and people on this list, there is no other information on this
topic at all.

Thank you Preston if you share, if you don’t want to or prefer sending
private email I would appreciate it.

KV

On 7/16/05, Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

Patrick’s article at
<http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame>
says, “Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and opioids.” –
are there other known or suspected risks of using them together?

_________________________________________________________________
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 4:01:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 28.07.2005 um 08:17 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

does anyone know a freeware powerpoint viewer for mac os x?

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:17:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/28/05 12:50:00 AM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

<< AS for the backstreet comment.that’s what happens when something is
illegal.
it has to go underground, that doesn’t necessarily  mean the backstreet
practitioners are ugly nasty people. But yes I agree a better synonym could
have been found, but at this point in time I am unfamiliar with the
“backstreet Ibogaine providers” that perhaps some people have come across. >>

Hi Captain,

You might find both my written and powerpoint presentations from the New
Orleans Harm Reduction conference of interest.

http://www.doraweiner.org/tohave_hrc.html

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

Best as always,

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:12:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

aim me captenator…
i love you!!
tink

On 7/28/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Yeh, and just maybe there’s the not so cool back street ibo providers?   I
truly don’;t know but I DO know where money is involved I’m fair fucking
sure there will be the vultures in there to try and make money on this…. No
matter what is involved to do it…. Yay to those who found the good ones,
word of mouth usually takes care of that… but I guarantee there’s been some
people really fucked over by those in the community who have no conscience.

And then, I should say, just ignore me I just been fucked over and I’m
feeling really dumb about it and I don’t like myself so much.

________________________________

From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 5:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I
believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of
treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground
route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley
abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to
get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality
treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts
who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper
middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users
come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always
be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the
states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.
But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed
mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:59:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh, and just maybe there’s the not so cool back street ibo providers?   I truly don’;t know but I DO know where money is involved I’m fair fucking sure there will be the vultures in there to try and make money on this…. No matter what is involved to do it…. Yay to those who found the good ones, word of mouth usually takes care of that… but I guarantee there’s been some people really fucked over by those in the community who have no conscience.
And then, I should say, just ignore me I just been fucked over and I’m feeling really dumb about it and I don’t like myself so much.
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 5:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.  But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:43:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve been busy today and didn’t have a chance to explain myself about getting robbed. I was at work yesterday and painting my ass of I might add when I get down off of my ladder to move it and take a break. There are these young dudes hanging around with some of the carpenters and what not, drinking ice water with us and had been there for about 45 minutes. No big deal. Well when every one splits up to go back inside to go back to work, I’m left alone with the young mother fuckers I’ll call them now when one of them pulls what looks like a gun, ( he kept it under his shirt) out and his buddy pulls a knife and they take every thing I had. I couldn’t believe it. I was at work and got robbed. This isn’t that bad of a hood either. I talked to the father of the kid with the gun and he said he would take care of it for me. I guess they were 16 or 17 years old. Crack heads allready. The shit is getting deep everywhere. I hate this. These are just kids. They won’t see 25 if they don’t stop. Love and Kevlar        Randy

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:07:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.  But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:03:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The “back alley abortionists” do a hell of a treatment.  All hail the
underground, indeed!!  They saved my ass, and went on a limb, and
still mother me.  I couldn’t have asked for a better experience.
While I was forunate enough to have access to a treatment with Mash a
bizillion years ago, I certainly couldn’t’ve done it twice.  When I
called the first time, she answered her phone herself, and talked to
me as well as my family when they were convinced i was trying to stick
them for $12,000 to “trip in the Carribean”.
When I called her about how much number two would be, I got a rude and
abrupt woman who said “It’s $10,000.” and hung up.  Not one returned
call or email.
I couldn’t’ve afforded even half, but she didn’t know that.
I digress par usual…
Anyway, I hear ya,  down to the suck and fuck sentiments.  I’ll stick
a gun in my mouth before I ever…but those absolute statements have a
funny way of coming back around to stick their collective feet up my
ass.
Love to you…I’m going to become fabulously wealthy and start an
iboganaut trust fund for treatments. Start a traveliing caravan of
freaks. You want in? :]
Love to you, Sean
tink
On 7/28/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist
element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or
so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back
ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to
appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I
know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US
dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting,
etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a
way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely
possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for
junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:53:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You want snot??? I got snot.
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:
was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…
Hey Tink,

Personally I enjoy a little snottiness on this list. Especially when it’s honest.  Too much bliss and light and all that rot can drain me after a while. So here’s to snottiness!

Luv ya,
Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:49:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You go run a clinic………….with all the appropriate people (from receptionist to cleaners to docs to nurses to orderlies. Who ever they need to run the place, THEN all the materials required, shit paper, buckets for puking, beds linen towels, oh yeh laundry service) THEN come back and say that’s a lot of money.
Sure it is for most of us. But I blew that much last year on really dumb ventures.. so I know I can get it.
I don’t think that it’s fair to attack an actual clinic.. which is more than just ONE person doing the providing.. at what?? Several thousand??
Think about it.
AS for the backstreet comment…that’s what happens when something is illegal… it has to go underground, that doesn’t necessarily  mean the backstreet practitioners are ugly nasty people. But yes I agree a better synonym could have been found, but at this point in time I am unfamiliar with the “backstreet Ibogaine providers” that perhaps some people have come across.
C.K.

From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting, etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:46:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:
was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…

Hey Tink,

Personally I enjoy a little snottiness on this list. Especially when it’s honest.  Too much bliss and light and all that rot can drain me after a while. So here’s to snottiness!

Luv ya,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:41:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I assumed she was an MD because she was doing so much research science. I may be wrong and am searching for the answer. It may be that she feels only highly educated, trained people like herself should provide Ibo treatment. I know that completely disapproves of self treatment or underground treatment. Of course being in the US this makes her viewpoint quite establishment.   She makes sure that her Ibo treatment is off US borders as to not break the law.

I imagine if (a really big if) Ibo is legalized in the US the state would insist on certain credentials concerning who could offer Ibo treatment. In the meantime, for financial reasons among others, many will seek out those back ally abortion providers (Mash’s phrase.) I heard one such person at the New Orleans Harm Reduction conference declare himself proud to be just that, if it means he man make ibogaine treatment available those who cannot travel for treatment.

BTW, there is nothing like a harm reduction conference. I highly recommend attending one.
I am looking forward to Oakland 2006.  I had a blast in New Orleans. Learned a lot too.

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:29:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting, etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:04:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wasn’t disagreeing

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
PhD is an anacronym for piled higher and deeper.  Look, she got federal approval and is not reveiling her data. she is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 10:53:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PhD is an anacronym for piled higher and deeper.  Look, she got federal approval and is not reveiling her data. she is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 10:46:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

He wrote Excession, Player of Games, The Bridge, Look to Windward, The Wasp Factory (one of my all time favorite books btw), Feersum Endjinn (in which he employed a variety of made-up languages, or at least ways of writing the way the charactors spoke, sorta like Clockwork Orange only much more intracate and amazing actually in my opinion), Use of Weapons, Consider Phlebas, Inversions, and…yes indeed actually, he did, I find now looking at the inside front cover of my book, write Complicity, among many other titles too, which I haven’t yet read.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Ian Banks….did he write Complicity??

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:31 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT)
Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of
the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another
writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote
some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic
really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine
and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and

not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball
rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or
even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit
I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read-
with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream
of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my
estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual
reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing

kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind

but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of

a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi
with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also

very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not.

But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp
Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since
highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s
incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or
Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation

of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day
his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it
wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered
as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana,
if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of
my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:36:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:14:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:35:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:36:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…
love
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:34:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:27:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jason,

Real good to hear from you as well. Enjoy the trip.:)

Peace,
Sean

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:19:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From a long timer of both sobriety and strung out, I found Eric to be very compassionate. I have found Schmooly to be very arrogant but caring and compassionate.  Knock it off girls.  Or is it all money now?  We’re well or trying to get that way. At 55  ibo kicked my ass, mule kicked Randy and I d/n get fixed.  man, one needs recovery time if he works. Money, money.  Eric subs, a friend of Schmooly discounts.  I think it’s a cult and egos, but what do I know?
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:10:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:02 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

In which book, as I’ve read a lot of Niven’s work and don’t remember that
little tidbit, but don’t doubt you Dana- just curious as to which work of
his contains this.

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick
or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:01:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In which book, as I’ve read a lot of Niven’s work and don’t remember that little tidbit, but don’t doubt you Dana- just curious as to which work of his contains this.

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:52:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi KV,

The discussion per se I don’t think bothers anyone.  The concern I had was that slowly the conversation had drifted from the original topic (Patrick’s paper) into opiates and Ibo in general.  I believe that it imperative to remind potential Ibo users that opiate use during detox is potentially deadly.  Further, I would hold that great care should be taken with the issue of pain management.   Patrick was referring to low doses of ibogaine with opiates. The nature of the Internet group can allow for crucial details to be lost.  Further, because one person survives the more than recommended dose, does not mean the next person will.  As has been said there is a huge, I mean huge difference between 50 and 500mgs of Ibo. I actually no this from experience. I have been experienced full Ibo detox, and, recently experienced a booster dose.   There is simply no comparison in terms of impact.  I am of the school that the less Ibo deaths the better, therefore repeating what may seem the obvious on this list is vital. New members come aboard every day.

I will be interested to hear about Preston’s experience.

Peace,
Sean

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:29:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 27, 2005 at 6:49:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston I’m very curious, you mentioned that you were starting the
ibogaine maintenance with opiates at the same time. Did you take a
booster and then start, or start afterwards when you had reset your
tolerence?

I know this conversation upsets some people on the list but I am far
more interested in harm reduction then what some person decides is
that right choice for everyone and with the exception of Patrick’s
paper and people on this list, there is no other information on this
topic at all.

Thank you Preston if you share, if you don’t want to or prefer sending
private email I would appreciate it.

KV

On 7/16/05, Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

Patrick’s article at
<http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame>
says, “Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and opioids.” –
are there other known or suspected risks of using them together?

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From: “Aristide NGUEMA” <aristide.nguema@laposte.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] About Iboga
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:01:36 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:00:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You rock the fuck out Tink!

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Today
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Today
I was reminded
Of a person I know
That dwells within me
That shines brightly
And can see the wind
a person i once held hands with
And long to do so again
A person who knows
The language of the Earth
Who is unafraid
One who smiles with delight
for no particular reason
Today
I felt the planet move
In a sigh of contentment
Of sorrow
of love
And I longed to be the one to comfort her
To be the person
Who can sing with the birds
And play like the ocean
Who storms within
Who storms without
But the sun returns
Regardless
To shine upon
And to dry her tears
both happy and sad
Today
I saw a glimpse of you
Who holds up the sky
And lets the clouds move freely
Who brings the dawn
Of a new day
And i saw a glimpse of me
All of me
As i was
as i am
as i will be again
Who we all are
Whether we realize it or not
When we are
At our best
Laughing and crying
Screaming to be heard
To feel
To be felt
to belong in our own skin
Today
I saw a mirror image
Another me
Repeated endlessly
In a small frame
And I broke through
Smashing the glass
Fists bloodied
knees on the floor
Sobbing
In relief
of freedom
Fought for
And won
But the cost
Oh, the cost
It is not a bill I have wanted to pay
And now
As I sit amidst the shards
And feel the pain
I have gained
Everything
(25 April 05)
love \
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: The Next Giant Leap
Date: July 27, 2005 at 4:49:39 PM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: The Next Giant Leap
To: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>

NASA Science News for July 27, 2005

The next big thing is small: Nanotechnology could lead to radical
improvements in space exploration.

FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/27jul_nanotech.htm?list161661

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:22:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s the spirit!!!
Pool you say?? Damn, going to have to polish up on my playing afore you leap
the mighty waves to here!!!  Zoe is a dab hand too I must warn…. (mis
spent childhood lol)
Kirk 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:31 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…

I just came back from an impromptu trip to Boston with my dad.  It was
such a fun trip, and half of it was because I wasn’t lurking in the
Combat Zone searching for a junky-friendly bathroom.  The other half
of it was simply absorbing sights and sounds and smells that I have so
often taken for granted.
I saw some decent music, rocked a pool table for a while, and giggled
a lot, as well as having the dubious privelage of watching Clements
get a line-drive to the head in Tampa Bay while Bostonians gasped in
horror (owwwwwwww…) Not that I enjoyed seeing other people in
serious pain, but I am a Yankee fan…
The unexpected lightness that has returned to me from a simple night
out in Boston, a DRUG FREE night in Boston (well, weed doesn’t count
right now… :]) has recharged a battery I didn’t know was dead, and I
find myself smiling today. Really smiling, not smirking or sneering at
everything around me.  It is good to be alive…
Love to you all
tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:20:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

………….Then I get up pre-dawn and watch the sky give this awesome deep
pink colour show, turning oranges and reds and remember why it’s not all
bad. (Heh, and  THEN I read this list!!!  And remember it IS!! Haaaa j/k of
course ;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

THE WORLD IS FUCKED!!!!!
be there in a mo, kirkie…

On 7/27/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head
without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????
Ahhhhhh
4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for
a
patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they
have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ..

I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as
I
possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.

Sigh I despair of this world.

Kirk L

________________________________

From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:12:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ian Banks….did he write Complicity??

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:31 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT)
Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of
the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another
writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote
some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic
really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine
and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and

not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball
rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or
even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit
I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read-
with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream
of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my
estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual
reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing

kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind

but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of

a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi
with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also

very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not.

But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp
Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since
highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s
incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or
Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation

of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day
his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it
wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered
as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana,
if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of
my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:45:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I found this piece of light and love that I wrote a while ago.  What a
difference an ibogaine treatment makes, indeed!!!!
tink-is-swell

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Darkness surrounds me, a cloaking of ink
Coaxing, beguiling, inviting me to sink
Within these warm pools of languid sedation
Escape emblamatic, the ultimate vacation
But deep do these sinkholes of timelessness run
As I sink toward the bottom, coming undone
And fragments of self float loose through this sea
Of anger, of fear, a denial of me
A refusal to open these eyes of mine wide
To sift through the pain in which I reside
So I drift in the murk, as I float ever deeper
Silently wishing for price that was cheaper
Than the sum of my soul, the purity of thought
And I wonder again at how easily i bought
Into lies and deceit, for escape, from my grief
And how none of it brought the slightest relief
Yet still I am sinking, still I am drowning
Not one alarm raised, not a rescue bell sounding
And I open these eyes, and see naught before me
Which could help me to surface, or bring me to glory
So i drink deeply and quickly, filling my soul
And continue the fastest slow ride down my hole

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:32:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Today
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Today
I was reminded
Of a person I know
That dwells within me
That shines brightly
And can see the wind
a person i once held hands with
And long to do so again
A person who knows
The language of the Earth
Who is unafraid
One who smiles with delight
for no particular reason
Today
I felt the planet move
In a sigh of contentment
Of sorrow
of love
And I longed to be the one to comfort her
To be the person
Who can sing with the birds
And play like the ocean
Who storms within
Who storms without
But the sun returns
Regardless
To shine upon
And to dry her tears
both happy and sad
Today
I saw a glimpse of you
Who holds up the sky
And lets the clouds move freely
Who brings the dawn
Of a new day
And i saw a glimpse of me
All of me
As i was
as i am
as i will be again
Who we all are
Whether we realize it or not
When we are
At our best
Laughing and crying
Screaming to be heard
To feel
To be felt
to belong in our own skin
Today
I saw a mirror image
Another me
Repeated endlessly
In a small frame
And I broke through
Smashing the glass
Fists bloodied
knees on the floor
Sobbing
In relief
of freedom
Fought for
And won
But the cost
Oh, the cost
It is not a bill I have wanted to pay
And now
As I sit amidst the shards
And feel the pain
I have gained
Everything
(25 April 05)
love \
tink

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:30:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It really is good to hear from you Sean, for real.

it is Raining and Shining at the same time, with those neato light rays that pop out of the clouds.

-jason

tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to hear you’re better, Sean. It’s wonderful to see good things
happening..Preston, your friend is my thoughts. Lighting a candle
now…
love to you both
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Preston,
>
> Yeas, these infections are no joke. Thanks for the good thoughts. Sending
> good thoughts to Dog.
>
> All the best Sean

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From: CoyDogsRock@webtv.net (SKALD VANASATRU)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:44:13 PM EDT
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I’m not sure what the referenceto David Eddings is but I have
most of his work and he does sword and sorcery ( wizards, kings,
warriors with lots of pionty things) stuff. I love his work bu if there
is more there that I missed I’d like to know…

Thanx
TIGERRIDER

~Design by Liandre~

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [DrugWar] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:31:22 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: drugwar@mindvox.com

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read- with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not. But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:07:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hear, hear…

On 7/27/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
Eric Taub,  hmmm oh yeah, the guy that has the brocures that say in big bold
print
NO WITHDRAWLS

seems true.

you didn’t have any withdrawls at all right Randy?

-j

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:06:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Glad to hear you’re better, Sean.  It’s wonderful to see good things
happening..Preston, your friend is my thoughts.  Lighting a candle
now…
love to you both
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Preston,

Yeas, these infections are no joke.  Thanks for the good thoughts.  Sending
good thoughts to Dog.

All the best Sean

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:47:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eric Taub,  hmmm oh yeah, the guy that has the brocures that say in big bold print
NO WITHDRAWLS

seems true.

you didn’t have any withdrawls at all right Randy?

-j

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:21:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

Yeas, these infections are no joke.  Thanks for the good thoughts.  Sending good thoughts to Dog.

All the best Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:30:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I just came back from an impromptu trip to Boston with my dad.  It was
such a fun trip, and half of it was because I wasn’t lurking in the
Combat Zone searching for a junky-friendly bathroom.  The other half
of it was simply absorbing sights and sounds and smells that I have so
often taken for granted.
I saw some decent music, rocked a pool table for a while, and giggled
a lot, as well as having the dubious privelage of watching Clements
get a line-drive to the head in Tampa Bay while Bostonians gasped in
horror (owwwwwwww…) Not that I enjoyed seeing other people in
serious pain, but I am a Yankee fan…
The unexpected lightness that has returned to me from a simple night
out in Boston, a DRUG FREE night in Boston (well, weed doesn’t count
right now… :]) has recharged a battery I didn’t know was dead, and I
find myself smiling today. Really smiling, not smirking or sneering at
everything around me.  It is good to be alive…
Love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Farside Activity
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:10:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
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Date: Jul 26, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: Solar Farside Activity
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 26, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

At any given moment, only one side of the sun faces Earth.  The other
side, the farside, is hidden from direct view. Nevertheless, it is
possible to monitor activity “over there.”  In recent days the farside
of the sun has been very active.  One or more sunspots have been
exploding, hurling coronal mass ejections (CMEs) over the sun’s limb.
Because the sun spins, sunspots on the farside now will be rotating
around to face Earth later this week and next, raising the possibility
of geomagnetic storms and auroras.
Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information and updates.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:09:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THE WORLD IS FUCKED!!!!!
be there in a mo, kirkie…

On 7/27/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head
without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????  Ahhhhhh
4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for a
patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they
have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ……

I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as I
possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.

Sigh I despair of this world.

Kirk L

________________________________

From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:49:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:48:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m dizzy and i LOVE IT!!!!!
Howard, Dave, wuzza!!!
Where are the BEES!!!
tink

On 7/27/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
“spirit flight mandala,” and even more “flight of the butterflies” (Vanessa
supposedly means butterfly btw, interestingly enough) are my personal
favorites. These are Dave Hunter’s, right? His stuff always blows me away,
and leaves me with the distinct impression that he has experienced many of
the same realms that folk like Alex Gray have visited and experienced.
Amazing renditions of what I too have “seen” while under the influence, of
ibogaine and other psychedelics too.
Dave, you rock, as I’m sure I’ve scribbled before once or twice, or if
not, I should have at least once or twice by NOW.
Keep up the illuminating please.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the
curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:33:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Shmoolyboy…
Where ya been?
And is Mash now the Ibo-policia in mexico?
tink
On 7/26/05, Schmoolyboy@aol.com <Schmoolyboy@aol.com> wrote:

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I
do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:00:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:57:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Scmooly, what is Mash afraid of? Eric is the man. Why would anybody want to keep him away from doing treatment anywhere? O well, Mexico is a big place aint it?     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:54:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean, glad to see you back and doing better. Sorry  I didn’t get back with you, I was real busy at the time. Keep on top of your health my brother. I love you .          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:15:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Marc, you are one twisted individual. By the way, I’m one up on ya now. You got jumped, I got held up at gun point yesterday. Yeeeeeeeee fuckin’ Haaaaaaaaaa anybody ever see that movie Next Of Kin. I could make that happen. Better not, gunfire is much too loud anymore and I don’t want to live like that. I’ll let the young punk keep my money if he needed it that bad, but it pissed me off when he took the knife my boy gave me. I hope I never see him again.               Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:31:22 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read- with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not. But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 4:09:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Dog” is in my thoughts, may he make it thru this ok, and get it together to
really appreciate his daughter.  I am thankful each day for my daughter, for
it was her that stopped me getting that messy.
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 6:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Sean wrote >Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that
the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my

heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the
staff infection which floated to my kidney.<

As an aside (btw, glad to hear you’re feeling better and as though your are
getting even better all the time, to borrow a Beatles’ line), I ran into an
old using friend of mine, someone I ran with a LOT on the streets, and got
high a LOT with, shooting LOTS of speedballs with this guy, and he’s been
back in LES this summer. I’ve run into him three times now in the past
couple months/six weeks or so. Each time he’s looked worse for ear, but
today, third meeting, he was a mess, flithy, sweating his ass off (and no
wonder what with the heat and humidity in this city right now, dangerous if
you cannot get out of it and are unhealthy or flat out sick), and tells me
as he lifts his shirt and turns that he’s got a “subcutaneous infection” in
his lower back, right over his freaking kidney, and tells me he can’t go to
the hospital yet because he has to spange up enough money to get to
Larchmont (or some similar bodunk ville outside NYC proper, out around White

Plains area) to visit his daughter first, who lives with his ex-wife now. I
tell him he’s nuts, that he should go ahead and go to the hospital if he’s
already straight and doesn’t need to fix immediately, as I and he both know
that’s what he’s really trying to spange up the money for first, THEN comes
any ticket (if ever) to visit that daughter. I mention how much easier it is

to detox in a hospital, that if it were me I’d leap at the chance to get
into the hospital, a clean bed and a bath, some healthy filling food and
some relief from the obvious agony that swollen fist-sized lump on his back
was causing him. Then I left him sitting there as I went into the Barnes and

Nobel right down the street a couple doors and spent 15 minutes or so
spending the rest of my christmas giftrcard from V’s Dad and step-mom. When
I come out, and begin to walk up the sidewalk past him, I debate walking by
without saying anything because he appears to be nodding out, but he looks
up right as I am passing, so I stop and beging to chat, but he cuts me off
immediately with a question.
“Do you have two minutes?”
I hesitate, saying not really, but then immediately feel like a major shit.
“What’s up Dog (his name, I swear, although I’m sure his birth certificate
says something else), what do you need? Need me to watch your bag so you can

go use a rest room or something?”
He looks at me with the most sad look on his face and says, “No, I think I
really need to go to the hospital. Can you call an ambulance from a payphone

for me please?”
I start to head for the neast phone, right up the sidewalk immediately
(sorry to keep using that word, but it keep fitting the sentences) then
remember I have a cell phone now (never thought I’d see the day, but it
happened finally just a couple months ago, when I went out to LA to do that
TV pilot thing so V and I could call and talk long-distance more easily) so
I call and have the dispatch send an ambulance for my friend.
I’m glad to say that I was reminded today of the many blessings I so
easily can forget at times or stress, usually self-induced almost every
time. There are so many places and there are so many situations I’m not in
that I could be, that I just missed being in (knock on wood) that I would do

well to keep that in mind when I begin to feel that black depression
settling on me, that “oh, poor me, I feel so bad” attitude that can overtake

me and is so easy to give in to at times.
Please keep Dog in your thoughts, at least for a moment. Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern
that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could
surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the
staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter
the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all
over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the
list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed
humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and
queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn
vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:59:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:41:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean wrote >Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.<

As an aside (btw, glad to hear you’re feeling better and as though your are getting even better all the time, to borrow a Beatles’ line), I ran into an old using friend of mine, someone I ran with a LOT on the streets, and got high a LOT with, shooting LOTS of speedballs with this guy, and he’s been back in LES this summer. I’ve run into him three times now in the past couple months/six weeks or so. Each time he’s looked worse for ear, but today, third meeting, he was a mess, flithy, sweating his ass off (and no wonder what with the heat and humidity in this city right now, dangerous if you cannot get out of it and are unhealthy or flat out sick), and tells me as he lifts his shirt and turns that he’s got a “subcutaneous infection” in his lower back, right over his freaking kidney, and tells me he can’t go to the hospital yet because he has to spange up enough money to get to Larchmont (or some similar bodunk ville outside NYC proper, out around White Plains area) to visit his daughter first, who lives with his ex-wife now. I tell him he’s nuts, that he should go ahead and go to the hospital if he’s already straight and doesn’t need to fix immediately, as I and he both know that’s what he’s really trying to spange up the money for first, THEN comes any ticket (if ever) to visit that daughter. I mention how much easier it is to detox in a hospital, that if it were me I’d leap at the chance to get into the hospital, a clean bed and a bath, some healthy filling food and some relief from the obvious agony that swollen fist-sized lump on his back was causing him. Then I left him sitting there as I went into the Barnes and Nobel right down the street a couple doors and spent 15 minutes or so spending the rest of my christmas giftrcard from V’s Dad and step-mom. When I come out, and begin to walk up the sidewalk past him, I debate walking by without saying anything because he appears to be nodding out, but he looks up right as I am passing, so I stop and beging to chat, but he cuts me off immediately with a question.
“Do you have two minutes?”
I hesitate, saying not really, but then immediately feel like a major shit.
“What’s up Dog (his name, I swear, although I’m sure his birth certificate says something else), what do you need? Need me to watch your bag so you can go use a rest room or something?”
He looks at me with the most sad look on his face and says, “No, I think I really need to go to the hospital. Can you call an ambulance from a payphone for me please?”
I start to head for the neast phone, right up the sidewalk immediately (sorry to keep using that word, but it keep fitting the sentences) then remember I have a cell phone now (never thought I’d see the day, but it happened finally just a couple months ago, when I went out to LA to do that TV pilot thing so V and I could call and talk long-distance more easily) so I call and have the dispatch send an ambulance for my friend.
I’m glad to say that I was reminded today of the many blessings I so easily can forget at times or stress, usually self-induced almost every time. There are so many places and there are so many situations I’m not in that I could be, that I just missed being in (knock on wood) that I would do well to keep that in mind when I begin to feel that black depression settling on me, that “oh, poor me, I feel so bad” attitude that can overtake me and is so easy to give in to at times.
Please keep Dog in your thoughts, at least for a moment. Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:22:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like “Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:02:55 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“spirit flight mandala,” and even more “flight of the butterflies” (Vanessa supposedly means butterfly btw, interestingly enough) are my personal favorites. These are Dave Hunter’s, right? His stuff always blows me away, and leaves me with the distinct impression that he has experienced many of the same realms that folk like Alex Gray have visited and experienced. Amazing renditions of what I too have “seen” while under the influence, of ibogaine and other psychedelics too.
Dave, you rock, as I’m sure I’ve scribbled before once or twice, or if not, I should have at least once or twice by NOW.
Keep up the illuminating please.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:37:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yayy Sean, WELCOME BACK<
So good to hear you’re on the  mend, was sending you lots of healing happy thoughts.
Yehh Randy rocks for sure!!!! So does this list, it had to go on….I believe it will always be a pretty hard thing to stop!!!!  For long anywayyy………………….[o][o]  Hehheh
So, love light n laughter to ya.
Kirk xxx
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 5:22 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:21:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:16:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????  Ahhhhhh 4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for a patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ……
I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as I possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.
Sigh I despair of this world.
Kirk L
From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:53:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:50:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

its always good to hear you tink.. i can relate quite abit with alot u say.. with going from dope and coke to methadone to suboxone and then ibo then back again.. Its funny the time in between seems to drag on and on and on.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:48:22 -0400

Okay. I find that since I stopped shooting speedballs on a minute to
minute basis that I have a load of time left over from work, school,
therapy, etc, in which i can either challenge myself to a permanent
duel and go get in trouble, or I can type my little fingers off,
bitching and ranting and learning and raving at the list.  They have
one of those lovely little cliches that they use in “The Rooms”, about
going after you recovery with the same intensity that you go after you
habit, and I took that one to heart, I suppose.  To me, checking in to
see how and who and what is a means of keeping myself grounded, and a
way to make sure that If I drop off of the face of the planet, there
will be someone wondering what the fuck I’ve gotten myself into now.
I have no particularly good typing skills, nor do I spend every waking
moment on my computer, but I do check it every so often, and  it helps
me keep away from the ever-lurking demons that reside in my(and
other’s, but this is an assumption)head on a minute to minute basis as
well.  I fight with me to stay clean, and though I find myself on a
relatively decent wave right now, I also know that if I’m not
hypervigilant, I WILL use.
I make the time when I need it.  This list  and all of the people on
it have gotten me through some incredibly rough times.  Instant online
counselling. I might post more times than others, but as long as I
have an internet hook up and the capacity to type, it works for me.  I
wouldn’t have made it this far without haviing the option to do so.
If you don’t feel the need to do so, then I aplaud your ability to
have another option.  For me, I have to have it.  I’ve gone from
speeballs to methadone to suboxone to the ibogaine list(and everything
inbetween), and out of all of it, ibogaine and this list are the only
things that have worked.  It should be said here that I would be
NOWHERE if I hadn’t decided to commit my whole self(okay, 98%? On a
bad day,89%)to the fixing of me.  It sucks alot of the time, but it
beats a sharp stick in the ear.  And i am CLEAN of the opiates.
That’s why I list as often as I do.  I’ve read little snippets to long
ranting short sories, and there hasn’t been a time when i couln’t
relate, in one perspective or another.
We all might be incredibly different, but there is a common thread
that holds us together.  The list is part of that thread for me.  I
can eventually sleep every so often due the simple fact that I know
that there are people who are truly wonderful and, well, I don’t even
know anything about your history, but, when  drop under the radar,
there’s almost always only one reason for it.
I’m going to go visit Kirkie and help in with the killing now….  :]
love to you,
tink
On 6/22/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list in 1
> day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of a drug
> laden/free life.  It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up
> and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop
> at anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know who your
> sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude you apply to a
> thread ? -……….. and can I get a cut.
>
>        The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician ,
> Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I was good),
> Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and actively don’t wish
> to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian soldier shot me in the arse in
> Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners
> destroyed the 16th century Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that
> site, setting off a round of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.}
>  – So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to
> type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a Good
> dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off ! ……….sjonny.
>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> August?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400
> >
> >to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not
> >more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars
> >being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a
> >telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that
> >article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter
> >through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the moon
> >with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of its
> >brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only imagine
> >how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or upstate in the
> >mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of that nature.
> >Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look through the
> >telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there, including the guy
> >with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing.
> >
> >
> >Peace and love,
> >Preston Peet
> >
> >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >often mistaken for madness”
> >Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> >Sept. 2005)
> >Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >Columnist New York Waste
> >Etc.
> >
> >—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”
> ><captkirk@free.net.nz>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >August?
> >
> >
> >>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003.  Must be a old
> >>email
> >>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!
> >>Lol
> >>Damn…
> >>Oh well.
> >>Kirk
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m.
> >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>in August?
> >>
> >>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened
> >>already? I
> >>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one before
> >>to see
> >>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.
> >>And they
> >>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so
> >>buggered if I
> >>know Preston!!!
> >>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!!  I’m a
> >>star gazer
> >>by nature.
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m.
> >>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >>August?
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>    Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about
> >>how Mars
> >>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?
> >>Anyone
> >>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so
> >>I’ve no
> >>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give
> >>full
> >>credit if I did know, but I don’t.
> >>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever
> >>going
> >>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this
> >>rock of a
> >>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in
> >>for a
> >>fly-by):
> >>
> >>>
> >>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,
> >>Earth
> >>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the
> >>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The
> >>next
> >>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s
> >>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only
> >>be
> >>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last
> >>5,000
> >>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens
> >>again.
> >>
> >>
> >>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to
> >>within
> >>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
> >>brightest
> >>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and
> >>will
> >>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification
> >>
> >>
> >>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars
> >>will be
> >>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east
> >>at
> >>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.  By the end of August
> >>when
> >>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach
> >>its
> >>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to
> >>see
> >>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,
> >>mark
> >>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>progressively
> >>brighter and brighter throughout the month.
> >><
> >>
> >>Peace and love,
> >>Preston Peet
> >>
> >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >>often
> >>mistaken for madness”
> >>Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>
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> >>Etc.
> >>
> >>
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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:33:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was initiated into reiki healing up to the 2nd stage where the symbols were introduced and can definately relate to paranormal experience of energy pathways through the process

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:02 +1200

Perhaps it’s the same for anything that requires “intitiation”.

I have been initiated to Level 3 Reiki
..and went thru stages after of..
well, what was that all about
.but then  energy before and after reiki
symbols
wow definitely more powerful

Hey, when was the last time anyone stood in a field with their arms
outspread and spun until you fell over?

Thinking what we were doing as kids was chakra cleansing? Heh who knowz?;

Kirk too much time on my hands hehehh 9(HEY but honest try the spinning
thing fuk its great)

_____

From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 10:51 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia
but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated
because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower
doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t
work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger
doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I
could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if
this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to
get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion
youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for
the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you
have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest
it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
itṀs the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:23:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree, most TC’s are lame and inefficient
arlo
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:07:42 -0400

Hear, Hear!
Right on Tink, every one (TC) I ever experienced sucked royally, here in NYC and elsewhere too.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
> Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
>
>
>
> Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> >
> > Hi Ekki,
> >
> > It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
> > from
> > the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
> > space
> > of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
> > drift
> > back to how you were before.
> oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
> uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
> experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
> in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.
>
> > I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
> > with a
> > strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
> > you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
> > space out
> > or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.
> >
> > Nick
>
> i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
> what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
> partners are iboganized.
>
>

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
Date: July 26, 2005 at 8:25:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree Christiane F was a good book….although the writing lacked emotions and feelings through out most of the book it still is a powerful portryayal of addiction

Namaste
Matthew

>From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:02:04 +0200
>
>reminds me of “christiane f”. itīs the true story of a girl who got
>into heroin and prostitution at the age of 12 in the seventies in
>west-berlin. her hangout was the railwaystation at the zoo, still a
>central as well as notorious place.
>we read the novel and saw the movie (with some scenes cut) at high
>school. the purpose was to warn us of drugs. afterwards everyone was
> curious how H feels like. must be sooo good if you go through all
>this shit to get another fix.
>book and movie are still worth a glance. it also captures a certain
>atmosphere during the cold war after the idealism of the
>68īgeneration was over. was aynway strange to grow up in a divided
>country where american and russian soldiers set up their nuclear
>missiles and impact seemed imminent.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553208977/
>qid=1122395285/sr=8-12/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i9_xgl14/002-2931691-4133660?
>v=glance&s=books&n=507846
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005KH2B/
>qid=1122398072/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/002-2931691-4133660?
>v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846
>
>-ekki
>
>Am 26.07.2005 um 00:26 schrieb Preston Peet:
>
>>>a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<
>>
>>to see the caged animals.
>>Hmmm.
>>No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta
>>Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin
>>actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals
>>making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool,
>>but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and
>>I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after
>>an ibo session.
>>Personally I mean.
>>
>>
>>Peace and love,
>>Preston
>>
>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>>often mistaken for madness”
>>Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
>>Sept. 2005)
>>Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>Columnist New York Waste
>>Etc.
>
>
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 26, 2005 at 8:17:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. I’m straight and I felt trippy!! Lol Cool how you can
click, click and click and it gets real big so all of em take up the whole
page.  Neat!! Will send it to some fellow “trip-nuts” in nz.
Cheers
Kirk

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the
curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 26, 2005 at 7:33:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] endo update…
Date: July 26, 2005 at 4:34:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

One is infected valves the other is the fluid surrounding the heart in that
sac (pericardium…)….there’s less of it being produced…so things start
getting painful…and not always life threatening, but still should be
sorted.  Found some useful “other than doc” treatments that might help.
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] endo update…

What’s the difference between endo and periocarditis? I have probably
gotten the word wrong, but is endo is valve related and perio- is
muscle? The word sac was used at one point…
Anyhoo, I have no idea, but apparently it’s the later of the two and
not endo, after translation was said and done.
thank you for all of the responses-
you all rock!!
love
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
Date: July 26, 2005 at 3:02:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

reminds me of “christiane f”. it´s the true story of a girl who got into heroin and prostitution at the age of 12 in the seventies in west-berlin. her hangout was the railwaystation at the zoo, still a central as well as notorious place.
we read the novel and saw the movie (with some scenes cut) at high school. the purpose was to warn us of drugs. afterwards everyone was curious how H feels like. must be sooo good if you go through all this shit to get another fix.
book and movie are still worth a glance. it also captures a certain atmosphere during the cold war after the idealism of the 68´generation was over. was aynway strange to grow up in a divided country where american and russian soldiers set up their nuclear missiles and impact seemed imminent.


-ekki

Am 26.07.2005 um 00:26 schrieb Preston Peet:

a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<

to see the caged animals.
Hmmm.
No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool, but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after an ibo session.
Personally I mean.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 26, 2005 at 1:35:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 26, 2005 at 1:34:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] check out Rite of Passage at DrugWar.com
Date: July 26, 2005 at 12:24:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.drugwar.com/Deloenenibogaine.shtm

This is written by the film maker, Ben De Loenen, who did a fine job on his film, and I felt perfectly happy allowing him, no, with the privilage of posting an article he wrote about his film at DrugWar.com. (It’s linked from the front page too, so it’s not just this URL- people will find it from the front page too Ben, just to let you know.)
Thanks Ben, for making the film in the first place, and giving me something to post about it at DrugWar.com. Hope it draws at least a wee bit more attention to your excellent and beautiful film. It deserves to be seen by a lot of people.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT this is just Odd!!!FW: 2005 FAUX FAULKNER WINNER
Date: July 26, 2005 at 3:34:59 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is great!

2005 FAUX FAULKNER WINNER
The Administration and the Fury 
If William Faulkner were writing on the Bush White House 

By Sam Apple

Down the hall, under the chandelier, I could see them talking. They were walking toward me and Dick s face was white, and he stopped and gave a piece of paper to Rummy, and Rummy looked at the piece of paper and shook his head. He gave the paper back to Dick and Dick shook his head. They disappeared and then they were standing right next to me.
“Georgie s going to walk down to the Oval Office with me,” Dick said.
“I just hope you got him all good and ready this time,” Rummy said.
“Hush now,” Dick said. “This aint no laughing matter. He know lot more than folks think.” Dick patted me on the back good and hard. “Come on now, Georgie,” Dick said. “Never mind you, Rummy.”
We walked down steps to the office. There were paintings of old people on the walls and the room was round like a circle and Condi was sitting on my desk. Her legs were crossed.
“Did you get him ready for the press conference?” Dick said.
“Dont you worry about him. He ll be ready,” Condi said. Condi stood up from the desk. Her legs were long and she smelled like the Xeroxed copies of the information packets they give me each day.
“Hello Georgie,” Condi said. “Did you come to see Condi?” Condi rubbed my hair and it tickled.
“Dont go messing up his hair,” Dick said. “Hes got a press conference in a few minutes.”
Condi wiped some spit on her hand and patted down my hair. Her hand was soft and she smelled like Xerox copies coming right out of the machine. “He looks just fine,” Condi said.
Fine day, isn t it, Georgie, Daddy said. Daddy was pitching horseshoes. Horseshoes flew through the air and it was hot. Jeb looked at me. Stand back or one of his horseshoes is going to hit you and knock you down real good, Jeb said. Jeb threw the horseshoe and it went right over the stick and Daddy clapped. Run and get me that horseshoe, Georgie, Daddy said. I ran and picked up the horseshoe. The metal was hot in my hands, and I held it for a little bit and then I dropped it. I picked it up. It was hot in my hands and I started running away from Daddy and Jeb. Come back with that horseshoe, Daddy said. I was running as fast as I could. Jeb run after him and get me my horseshoe before he throws another one in the river, Daddy hollered. Jeb was chasing after me fast. Come back with that horseshoe, Georgie, Jeb hollered. But I was fast and I kept running until I got to the river. Dont you dare throw that horseshoe in the river, Jeb said. I threw the horseshoe in the river. Jeb fell on the ground. Jeb kicked and cried and then I cried.
“He needs his makeup,” Dick said.
“I ll do it,” Condi said. She put a little brush on my check and it tickled and I laughed.
Rummy walked into the room. “Jesus, what s he laughing about,” Rummy said.
“Dont you pay attention to him, Georgie,” Dick said. “They re going to be asking you all about Social Security. You just remember what we talked about.”
“He cant remember anything,” Rummy said.
I started to holler. Dick s face was red and he looked at Rummy. “I told you to hush up already,” Dick said. “Now look what you ve gone and done.”
“Go and get him Saddam s gun,” Condi said. “You know how he likes to hold it.”
Dick went to my desk drawer and took out Saddam s gun. He gave it to me, and it was hot in my hands. Rummy pulled the gun away.
“Do you want him carrying a gun into the press conference?” Rummy said. “Cant you think any better than he can?”
I was hollering and Dick was turning red and then white and the room was tilted.
“You give him that gun back, right this minute,” Condi said. Rummy gave me Saddam s gun back and I held it my hands. It was hot like a horseshoe.
“You got the gun, now you stop that hollering,” Rummy said.
Condi patted me on the back. “It sure is hot in here,” she said. She fanned herself and took off her jacket. She smelled like perfume.

Sam Apple is a graduate of the creative nonfiction MFA program at Columbia University. His first book, Schlepping Through the Alps, was published in March 2005 by Ballantine Books. From 1998–2000, Apple edited New Voices, a national magazine for Jewish students. Apple’s freelance nonfiction work has appeared in a variety of publications including The New York Times, Slate.com, and the Forward. In 2004, Apple was a finalist for the Koret Award for Young Writers on Jewish Themes. In 2002, he won the Upload $1,500 first place award for short fiction. Apple is currently a contributing book editor at Nerve.com and at work on his second book.
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 6:26:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<

to see the caged animals.
Hmmm.
No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool, but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after an ibo session.
Personally I mean.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Am 25.07.2005 um 20:27 schrieb mcorcoran:

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

cool idea.
patrick already mentioned he did skydiving after ibogaine (but i guess
not immediately afterwards). bungee jumping might be an option since
it´s cheaper and doesn´t damage one´s knees.
a walk in the zoo sounds cool. i only tried a shopping mall on iboga.
the fruit section looks more impressive on shrooms though.

keep swingin
ekki

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] this guy was among our supporters in ACT UP
Date: July 25, 2005 at 8:48:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: jblotcher@hvc.rr.com

dear dana

i have a dear friend up here in ulster county who regularly helps people with medicine therapy

she has just learned great things about ibogaine alleviating addictive symptoms

she would like to alleviate a longtime nicotine problem

she is very interested in learning how to obtain treatment

please let me know how we can make this happen

peace

Jay Blotcher
112 Steep Hill Road
High Falls, NY 12440
jblotcher@hvc.rr.com
845.687.2284

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 10:16:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey, mcorcoran…how’s your head?
ANNOUNCEMENTS…
this kid has decided to seek his doctor’s opinion and postpone his
treatment-THANK GAWD!!!!  and another thanks to you all.  This list
rox and so does everyone associated with it, silent and not.
Another potential disaster potentially diverted?  Here’s hoping.
progress, not perfection and all that good stuff.
Maybe I’ll sleep for a bit tonight.
love
tink

On 7/25/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
<<<<< Lives in the country where bungy jumping was invented (apart from the
natives who continue that tradition of the unfaithful wife leaping off a
tall tree hoping hubby would follow with a vine tied to her leg…)
actually, Re: previous email I actually gave it a go back in 1981 but
completely forgot the rubber band tied round my leg. Passed the test results
along to AJ Hackett who later made it famous in Queenstown.
And ya tell that to the kids today and they don’t believe ya!

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 8:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the
dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be

the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across

to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was
taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t
seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease

to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long
unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This
shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we

all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50
mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is
administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself
or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] endo update…
Date: July 25, 2005 at 7:46:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What’s the difference between endo and periocarditis? I have probably
gotten the word wrong, but is endo is valve related and perio- is
muscle? The word sac was used at one point…
Anyhoo, I have no idea, but apparently it’s the later of the two and
not endo, after translation was said and done.
thank you for all of the responses-
you all rock!!
love
tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:50:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

<<<<< Lives in the country where bungy jumping was invented (apart from the
natives who continue that tradition of the unfaithful wife leaping off a
tall tree hoping hubby would follow with a vine tied to her leg…)
actually, Re: previous email I actually gave it a go back in 1981 but
completely forgot the rubber band tied round my leg. Passed the test results
along to AJ Hackett who later made it famous in Queenstown.
And ya tell that to the kids today and they don’t believe ya!

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 8:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the
dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be

the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across

to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was
taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t
seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease

to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long
unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This
shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we

all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50
mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is
administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself
or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:47:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow!!! I had no idea!!!  Even NZ has heard of this movie !! hehheh not so
backwater!! I was thinking something a bit on the smaller side.. not some
big ass movie like that! But they cut you??? Bastards…. LETS PROTEST
PEOPLE~~~  I wanna see banners guys!!!  And Buttons!! Big buttons!! WE WANT
TO SEE PRESTON (Thomas hehhehheheh) PEET~!!!!!!  Or the chocolate fish gets
eaten……
Cool resume!  All mine has on it is repeated escapes from Death… think I
should become a stunt artist lol.
(1981 fell down a elevator shaft, lived to tell tale..
1989 a Big Mac (not a hamburger) truck careens off road.. crashing into my
bedroom and completely destroying my bed…brass knobs n all…luckily day
before me n zoe were kidnapped by spontaneous friend who took us on
holiday..so I could live to tell the tale. Parents said you probly won’t
notice cos your room was such a mess anyway.. cheeky buggers..)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet
tall

It’s the film The Fantastic Four, so I imagine you’ll eventually be able to
see it, even in NZ.
;-))
Attached is my acting resume.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen
(or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s
rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places
on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:41:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 25.07.2005 um 20:27 schrieb mcorcoran:

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

cool idea.
patrick already mentioned he did skydiving after ibogaine (but i guess not immediately afterwards). bungee jumping might be an option since it´s cheaper and doesn´t damage one´s knees.
a walk in the zoo sounds cool. i only tried a shopping mall on iboga. the fruit section looks more impressive on shrooms though.

keep swingin
ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 4:15:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50 mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 2:27:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50 mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

> You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 9:06:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end, so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way, way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 8:44:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s the film The Fantastic Four, so I imagine you’ll eventually be able to see it, even in NZ.
;-))
Attached is my acting resume.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 4:48:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques, what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: endo and person
Date: July 25, 2005 at 1:02:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey well, I only have completely selfish reasons for not wanting this person
to Cark it Just yet….Once I’ve met them in person, heyyyy well that will
be another goal crossed off the list and then you can do whatever.
Ok, thanks for accommodating my goals. We’ll see ya when either A. Scotty
fixes the transporter (he’s till in detox)  or B. I win Lotto.  Or C. I hire
a hitman to take out my family in a “convincing accident” and I inherit the
trust!!!
Hehheh
Loving all the love n caring flying frensically about the list.
Kirk xxxxx

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 25, 2005 at 1:00:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I remember reading somewhere (in the Holland Geerte article, I think), that
she once tried to treat a man whom she found out later had stomach ulcers.
I remember her saying how scared she was while he was throwing up more and
more blood over a period of an hour or so.   She thinks that maybe after all
the dry heaving he’d done earlier, that maybe he’d torn the lining or
something, but really didn’t know for sure.  Doesn’t sound fun to do on your
own, and I can only imagine how much worse than that it could get.  And
that’s just an ulcer!  Not a good idea, in my honest opinion (and sounds
like a lot of others who are much more knowledgeable about these things than
me agree).  If you want a link to the article, let me know.  I’ll do my best
to find it.  Hope your friend is reading all these.
Love ya all!

On 7/24/05 9:56 AM, “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

That’s what I’m trying to convey…but if I can’t talk him out of it
(and I am not sure I can), I’d rather get him as much info as
possible.  I’m not thrilled about this at all, but I suppose all I can
do now is find out what I can.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!  WAKEY WAKEY!! TIME TO STOP TRYING TO KILL YOURSELF!!!
Love to you,
tink

On 7/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:58:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:53:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um.. have you looked into the research on root canals? It’s not too
good…but I can understand it being the two front teeth….thought you
should just know incase ya didn’t….

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You rock, Preston!!  And thank you millions for the email to the list.
Perfecto…
I believe you, by the way :]  Too bad about the cutting of your scene,
but as you said, you got the credit on your resume.
Watching “Endless Summer” with my Dad and smoking copious amounts of
weed.  Life is weird but good.
Anything at all from the salvia?  My dad and a few have said it was
nuts, but I’ve heard the same nada reports from a few.  Ibogaine
certainly effects everyone differently.  I suppose not all things work
for all people.
I’m still debating as ot what to do about it.  I’m off to the dentist
for  bunch of work- double root canal in the two front teeth.  I can’t
fucking wait.  The temptation to be in agonizing pain with what I know
is a very sympathetic dentist is rather huge.  I have a booster
stashed somewhere for just this eventuality.  Eep!
Okay, to bowl and to bed…
love and patience (patients?)
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen
(or
I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and
already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s
rent
(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places
on
Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:04:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You rock, Preston!!  And thank you millions for the email to the list.
Perfecto…
I believe you, by the way :]  Too bad about the cutting of your scene,
but as you said, you got the credit on your resume.
Watching “Endless Summer” with my Dad and smoking copious amounts of
weed.  Life is weird but good.
Anything at all from the salvia?  My dad and a few have said it was
nuts, but I’ve heard the same nada reports from a few.  Ibogaine
certainly effects everyone differently.  I suppose not all things work
for all people.
I’m still debating as ot what to do about it.  I’m off to the dentist
for  bunch of work- double root canal in the two front teeth.  I can’t
fucking wait.  The temptation to be in agonizing pain with what I know
is a very sympathetic dentist is rather huge.  I have a booster
stashed somewhere for just this eventuality.  Eep!
Okay, to bowl and to bed…
love and patience (patients?)
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or
I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent
(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on
Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 24, 2005 at 11:51:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent (I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] MORE ON Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 11:45:48 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Let me reiterate now that I know a little more- GO TO THE FUCKING HOSPITAL! Now! Endocaditis is no freaking joke and WILL KILL YOU. Don’t put it off, and besides detoxing in the hospital ain’t all that bad a way to go- THEN DO THE IBOGAINE WHEN you are released from the hospital! Aftwards! That way, you can take care of those pesky painful stomach issues TOO! Whoa, imagine that, something good out of health care. And if my info is correct and this person is in Canada, don’t they have universal health care there anyway? What’s the issue here with not going when one KNOWS they’ve got endocarditis? Does endo ever cure itself ever? Not that I’ve heard of but I suppose I could be mistaken- but this person sounds as though they’re still USING NOW, so why not just go to the hospital? That is the most freakin’ sensible, and I’d like to see this person keep posting and not get one of those ultra-depressing, “so and so freaking died because s/he was IMPATIENT!”
As I wrote just a day or two ago, it’s patience that is the key in almost everything.
But, with that said, it doesn’t behoove anyone to be patient about getting treated if they are suffering with edocarditis. Nor should they be self-treating themselves with ibogaine under such circumstances at all, treatment doses that are geared towards getting off opiates (large doses of ibogaine in other words) with no supervision or assistance from someone who knows what the hell they’re doing. Go to the hospital first, and get that endo treated NOW, Please. Quit messing around.
Life is easily gone, and we here all know it, so why mess around with it? Unless that’s what you’re after. But if you’re talking about wanting off an opiate habit by taking ibogaine, something in you prefers the “I’m still alive” opition. So do it smartly and stay alive to enjoy the end results of having taken the ibogaine in the first place. Makes no sense whatsoever to take ibogaine knowing that you’ve already got the deck stacked against you and you are no longer on mere 50/50 grounds. Wake up, please, and get professional treatment for the endo- THEN, take ibogaine to your heart’s content. IF you’ve gotten yourself healthy enough to deal with it more safely than how it’s sounding to me now.
Please.
Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now, today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] SO OFF TOPIC IT’S NOT WORTH READING!! Cookie Monster shoots his shit…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:22:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So I’m watching “Family Guy”, and Louise is popping pills in slut gear
in the bathroom of a bar, and she hears someone in stall.  She opens
the door, and there sits Cookis Monster, squeezing cookie dough out of
one of those squishy roll thingies into a spoon. He throws a lighter
under and goes “Come on, COME ON!!!”- cut to commercial.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love
tinkerbaked

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:36:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not actually that near, or else I ‘d be in hysterics. I am.  I;m
hoping a response might helpfrom the list. He’s heard it all from
tinkermom…
Thank you, muchly, for the support…
love to you all
tink

On 7/24/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Tink,

I appreciate your desire to help your friend. Considering the risk involve they are not rational. I hurt for them because they must really want help if they are willing to take such a risk.My question for you is, do you want to put yourself at risk?

I hope you are able to help your friend be safe. But if not, you have done your best and have been a good friend.

Namaste

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:30:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tink,

I appreciate your desire to help your friend. Considering the risk involve they are not rational. I hurt for them because they must really want help if they are willing to take such a risk.My question for you is, do you want to put yourself at risk?

I hope you are able to help your friend be safe. But if not, you have done your best and have been a good friend.

Namaste

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:17:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:10:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now, today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:07:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hear, Hear!
Right on Tink, every one (TC) I ever experienced sucked royally, here in NYC and elsewhere too.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
> Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
>
>
>
> Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> >
> > Hi Ekki,
> >
> > It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
> > from
> > the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
> > space
> > of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
> > drift
> > back to how you were before.
> oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
> uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
> experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
> in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.
>
> > I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
> > with a
> > strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
> > you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
> > space out
> > or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.
> >
> > Nick
>
> i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
> what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
> partners are iboganized.
>
>

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:06:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s a “baby syringe” I think it’s called.
V thinks the provider mixed it in something else first, then added the mixture to the syringe (obviously there’s no needle on the syringe). Lather it with vaseline well first, and you’ll have NO problems at all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion

hi Matt!
you can get capules at headshops, on- and offline. my local pharmacies didn´t want to give me any, i suppose they thought i might fill them with drugs. most capsules contain tallow or something and then there are those for vegatarians. how much you get into one capsule of course depends on size, different ones are available. some medication also comes in capsules that can be opened easily were you can just empty them and then fill the HCl in. if i were you i wouldn´t take 1g at once but rather take it in the course of 2 hrs or something because i guess that might be easier on the body and heart.

anyway i hope your heart is fine. i wouldn´t do it when not sure. hopefully you have a good sitter and everything goes well
all the best & good luck
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:25 schrieb matthew zielinski:

Hi List

I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.

my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?

what is the syriange called (exact name)

can i inject the whole amount at the same time?

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if i want to put it into capsules how many capsules from a gram of hcl and what kinda capsules? can i buy em in any pharmacy?

im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:04:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Salvia soon after ibogaine didn’t do much one way or the other for me. But then, I’m not all that impressed with Salvia.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Do we have some one in Philly?
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:03:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dana,
Don’t send your newsletter to this e-mail anymore, send it to my
other e-mail: emlee_p@yahoo.com
My phone number again for your reference is 215-238-8966.
If you know someone who wants to talk about ibogaine and their
experience and who would be willing to find their way to Philly
give them my number. I would like to schedule a showing of
“Rite of Passage” at this one cummunity space, The A-Space, in
West Philly within the next month or two.
I would be willing to meet them at the Chinatown bus (cheapest
way to get here:$20 roundtrip, nostops. www.2000coach.com) or 30th
Street Station and take them via public transit to W. Philly.
I know where the cheap eats are.

Take care,
Emily

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:56:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s what I’m trying to convey…but if I can’t talk him out of it
(and I am not sure I can), I’d rather get him as much info as
possible.  I’m not thrilled about this at all, but I suppose all I can
do now is find out what I can.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!  WAKEY WAKEY!! TIME TO STOP TRYING TO KILL YOURSELF!!!
Love to you,
tink

On 7/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:44:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:35:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you ekki and koikie!!
i’l let you know how it goes…heeheehee!!
love tink

On 7/24/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Heh yehh it’s such a indy vid you all thaing innnit.. I guess if there’s a
common omg you’re gonna die sort of link with taking who jee mah wot sits
with wot si mih jammits then yehhh send out the warning signals, but
otherwise.. I feel   HIDDEN MEDICINE, waiting there for you……
Love and discoveries
Koikyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxx
White buffalo woman….. left a blanket of snow at my feet. In the different
moons of the changing seasons, in time we all shall meet.

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 10:26:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
partners are iboganized.

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:07:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
partners are iboganized.

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:02:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve heard therapist type people say of psychoactives in general that
sometimes you just have very positive blissful experiences to settle you to
the point where you can look at personal stuff you don’t want to so much. I
don’t imagine there are any set rules here but this does make sense,
psychologically. It’s also a pattern you see in therapy – the need to
reinforce the ego in order that it’s strong enough to process repressed
material. Of course, who knows with these things and you don’t want to start
wishing yourself negative trips because you feel it’s more real!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 23 July 2005 18:01
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

hi Preston,
i know i am an amateur compared to you when it comes to drugs. maybe i
will feel this “fuck why again” sometime in future. i dont do
clairvoyance so i can´t be sure. but 10-12 papers is really a lot, wow!
have you written more about this time and especially how you felt
afterwards? i spend most of my time of lsd in clubs and on raves and
chillouts afterwards. i liked it for dancing&music but i hardly talked.
my acidfriends were the same and we spend days without talking, only
playing music. we were very sensible and rolling a joint or preparing
green tea was like a ritual, every movement of the hands with awareness
and friendlyness. my career at university suffered from it, the walls
were breathing and i could neither focus on higher maths nor on
humanities. after doing this a year i somehow got very shy and sensible
and then discovered cocain as an antidote (on coke i passed higher
maths) and then quickly graduated to freebase. i probably could have
spend the coke times more meaningfull.
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:08 schrieb Preston Peet:

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this
again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description
of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD,
very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses
as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the
requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip
again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could
only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite
some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of
tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a
thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever.
Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday,
but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I
done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain
Date: July 24, 2005 at 8:23:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/ukban.shtml

Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain

For the past few years, Britons have been enjoying a loophole in Britain’s drug law that allowed hallucinogenic mushrooms such as amanita muscaria and psilocbye cubensis to be imported, grown, sold, and used in the British Isles. According to one British magazine, Amsterdam of London, they have been quite popular, with one major “legal hallucinogen” outlet selling 220 pounds of magic mushrooms a week — enough for 10,000 highs. Some drug policy activists even suggest the popularity of magic mushrooms has lessened the demand for other drugs, particularly Ecstasy.
But that has all changed, effective Monday. The British government has reclassified magic mushrooms as Class-A drugs under the Drugs Act of 2005, so what was a legal business activity last week is now punishable by up to life in prison. Even simple possession for personal use can now garner a prison sentence of up to seven years.
In scheduling the trippy fungi as Class-A drugs, the British government is saying it considers them as dangerous as cocaine or heroin.
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Knowing how spiritual and vertiably religious I find my own use of mushrooms, I’m sickened that in this late stage of the game officials are STILL adding such ancient substances to their list of “outlawed” substances to ingest. I wonder what their ancient forebearers would think of such an idea, that some government officials could tell communities and religious types they could no longer use their sacrements. What would the Church of England think if I took power and decreed that their wine, evil alcohol-based rotten grapejuice, was a danger to our community and gave the wrong impression to our youth, teaching them to that alcohol use is ok, so it would now be banned and I and my jackbooted thugs in badges would lock up anyone caught using the stuff, that evil- devil-based wine stuff, in prison for terms ranging anywhere from years to life in prison?
When one looks at the actual, real damages caused by the use of even moderate amounts of some legal substances, like alcohol and tobacco and refined sugar and factory farmed (and chemically added to, not to mention addled by) meat, and even television, it really is so apparent that there’s absolutely no scientific basis for such anti-,ushroom (or anti-pot or for that matter, if you get right down to it, anti-cocaine and heroin either) decrees, that they are based on prejudice and biases and ignorance and fear- not one iota of rationality of sense or science whatsoever. I seriously doubt that Britain has been having a problem with mushroom overdoses or mushroom addicts going out and committing horrifically violent crime against others (like alcohol users are wont to do), so this really is nothing more than more anti-drug hysteria and political posturing.
Of course, for most of you I’m probably preaching to the choir, but some of you I’ve addressed this note to may be thinking about this stuff for the first time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:54:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh yehh it’s such a indy vid you all thaing innnit.. I guess if there’s a
common omg you’re gonna die sort of link with taking who jee mah wot sits
with wot si mih jammits then yehhh send out the warning signals, but
otherwise.. I feel   HIDDEN MEDICINE, waiting there for you……
Love and discoveries
Koikyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxx
White buffalo woman….. left a blanket of snow at my feet. In the different
moons of the changing seasons, in time we all shall meet.

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:50:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Matt!
you can get capules at headshops, on- and offline. my local pharmacies didn´t want to give me any, i suppose they thought i might fill them with drugs. most capsules contain tallow or something and then there are those for vegatarians. how much you get into one capsule of course depends on size, different ones are available. some medication also comes in capsules that can be opened easily were you can just empty them and then fill the HCl in. if i were you i wouldn´t take 1g at once but rather take it in the course of 2 hrs or something because i guess that might be easier on the body and heart.

anyway i hope your heart is fine. i wouldn´t do it when not sure. hopefully you have a good sitter and everything goes well
all the best & good luck
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:25 schrieb matthew zielinski:

Hi List

I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.

my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?

what is the syriange called (exact name)

can i inject the whole amount at the same time?

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if i want to put it into capsules how many capsules from a gram of hcl and what kinda capsules? can i buy em in any pharmacy?

im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:35:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:28:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork; with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both partners are iboganized.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:19:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Perhaps it’s the same for anything that requires “intitiation”.
I have been initiated to Level 3 Reiki…..and went thru stages after of.. well, what was that all about….but then  energy before and after reiki symbols… wow definitely more powerful…
Hey, when was the last time anyone stood in a field with their arms outspread and spun until you fell over?
Thinking what we were doing as kids was chakra cleansing? Heh who knowz?;
Kirk too much time on my hands hehehh 9(HEY but honest try the spinning thing fuk its great)
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 10:51 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I 
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the 
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, 
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible 
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start 
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us 
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a 
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits 
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month 
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help 
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who 
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it 
more body-based?


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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:08:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

it´s similar for me. i don´t need much for an experience any more.
still larger doses are attractive,too.

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 22 July 2005 22:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to drift
back to how you were before.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork; with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:35:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 23, 2005 at 9:07:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:41:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Having a ridiculous time in Maine.  Meet Bushzilla….
love tink

On 7/23/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
ummm not sure yet.
are you ok?

things are way high pressure (weather wise) and Hot hot hot,

that’s ok though, just adjust the pressure

14.7

write soon please,
jason

does this help at all?
tink

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:31:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ummm not sure yet.
are you ok?

things are way high pressure (weather wise) and Hot hot hot,

that’s ok though, just adjust the pressure

14.7

write soon please,
jason
does this help at all?
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:27:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Asahi reed hundred million house Asahi eddy? 竍 蘊 eddy? 促? 魅? Deer 畩
tin dace house reed? 促 魅? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 ox
house reed reed? 竍蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐
Asahi 碓 hundred million house reed reeds? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩?
Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 劾 house reed horse mackerel? 竍 蘊?
ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 姦 house reed
catalpa? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓
happening house reed pressure? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩?
Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 it is strong the house reed 斡? 竍
蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 your house
reed handling? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi
碓 遣 house reed address? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿
繙 讐 Asahi 碓 healthy house reed 姐? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩 taking dace?
Receiving 貍? 殊 蘊? Explanation/releasing? 蓿繙 engaging in 蔗? Mark? 蓁? 竢?
褓? 鈬? Duck 鈬? 黻 續 瘟 谺 癈 霓 鈬? 齊? 軆 軌 training 碓 姐 right? Lump 艱 貅? 畩 ┝
蘊 neck 鞜? 齡? 跂 engaging in 竢 跫 abalone? 碎? 綮 ⊂? 蝟 corbicula? 蝟
corbicula stopping sillaginoid 瘢? 竢 躰? 齔 lump Showa? 蘊? House
pressure? Handling? Eddy tin dace? Bodily organ? 茱? Lu, MARU, ホヘスト 遙 ラ
オ cDotdt, ハスュケ & シコホ 鯏 ラ, キ, DOTDT. ”
ク. コヌ. ” * ッ * mane * no * Lu * 遙 ti * ク * 罕 爨 ヌオョ ” ラ ” ナ ” ツ, ホ, 熙
cDotdt, キ, the Soviet Union. ”

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ッ and ャ. ” ” ネ ” ヘ ” ヨスツテォ, ヌ *, * * ネ * “, 荀? Epsilon Superior 謄 曄 ♯?
屮 weaving. 諭 Alpha – 紂 – 魯 Epsilon -? ヒ, ェナチ, ィ and キ, the Soviet
Union,, ネサラ,, DOTDT, キ and Ni. ” * 癸 ti *? Epsilon? サ and Ni,, the
Soviet Union, タ and ュ, DOTDT, キ, the Soviet Union. ” セワコル and マ. ” ” ネ
” ヘ ” ヨ, ホ ” ラ ” ナ ” ツ, ヒ, “, テ, the Soviet Union, ホ and ヌ. ” ウホヌァ, ッ,
タ and オ. ”

エノヘヘヘヘ. ァノヤナャタレ, ヌ and キ, the Soviet Union, 鮗? Woven Д? Alpha – 謄 蕁 -? DOTDT. ”
# ユ and /div>ネ miawa@neko.net – 2002/05/10
ヨソ 醂 イサヨ. ラ and 隍 ッ,, the To Soviet Union I and Ni? Epsilon 曄? ァ – 董 –
sewing 魯 institute -? Alpha? ”
オ and Ni. ” To, Ha, ホ, ヌ, キ and 遉, ォ. ゥ and ッ, テ. ”

does this help at all?
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 2:32:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

count me in..
love tink

On 7/23/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a really good idea. After reading Nick’s description of the rituals
in Africa, and some of the other posts I started thinking that I would like
to ritualize the next event. I used to practice ritual magick as a form of
self-expression and a communal event would be attractive.

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:15:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to
get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion
youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for
the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you
have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest
it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 2:28:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is a really good idea. After reading Nick’s description of the rituals in Africa, and some of the other posts I started thinking that I would like to ritualize the next event. I used to practice ritual magick as a form of self-expression and a communal event would be attractive.

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 10:15:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 1:01:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Preston,
i know i am an amateur compared to you when it comes to drugs. maybe i will feel this “fuck why again” sometime in future. i dont do clairvoyance so i can´t be sure. but 10-12 papers is really a lot, wow! have you written more about this time and especially how you felt afterwards? i spend most of my time of lsd in clubs and on raves and chillouts afterwards. i liked it for dancing&music but i hardly talked. my acidfriends were the same and we spend days without talking, only playing music. we were very sensible and rolling a joint or preparing green tea was like a ritual, every movement of the hands with awareness and friendlyness. my career at university suffered from it, the walls were breathing and i could neither focus on higher maths nor on humanities. after doing this a year i somehow got very shy and sensible and then discovered cocain as an antidote (on coke i passed higher maths) and then quickly graduated to freebase. i probably could have spend the coke times more meaningfull.
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:08 schrieb Preston Peet:

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD, very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever. Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday, but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 12:49:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Shelley,
sounds like a good idea, would be great. right at the moment it´s only dreaming i guess. anyone willing to organize something like this? a problem maybe that most people with a job have no time and most people without job have no money to travel around the world. -ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 04:15 schrieb shelley krupa:

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 【ボディサーフィン】
Date: July 23, 2005 at 12:23:47 PM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

【ボディサーフィン】

海に行った時、ダイナミックに波に乗るサーフィンやボディボードに憧れつつも、まだ挑戦したことのない人はたくさんいるのではないだろうか。そんな人におすすめなのが、ボディサーフィンだ。自分の体を使って波乗りするこのサーフィンは、サーフボードやボディボードを買わなくても手軽に楽しむことができる。自分の体をサーフボード代わりにするボディサーフィンこそ、波乗りの原点とも言える。

このボディサーフィンは海外では大会が開かれたり、クラブチームがあったり、立派なスポーツのひとつとして認められている。また、海の中で素早い動きを必要とされるライフセーバーの訓練にも取り入れられている。

ボディサーフィンの醍醐味は、やはり波と一体感を味わえることに尽きる。うまく波に乗れたときの浮遊感とスピード感は、普段はなかなか味わえない新鮮な感覚だ。何の道具も使わずに、自分の体一つで楽しめてしまうボディサーフィン。ぜひ今年のビーチではこのボディサーフィンに挑戦してみてはどうだろう。

moshe moshe
tink

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 23, 2005 at 11:25:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi List
I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.
my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?
what is the syriange called (exact name)
can i inject the whole amount at the same time?
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im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 11:08:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD, very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever. Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday, but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the person.
for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like returning.
i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common. When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in. As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 10:56:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.<

Gotta pretty much agree, although the last couple times, knowing I wasn’t taking a full “treatment” dose, I didn’t feel that trepidation after eating the dose (or injesting however the case may be) that I did the first three times, thinking each of those times I was taking a real treatment dose, and felt that exact same, “oh shit, why have I done this again,” and “now I’ve got 30 fucking hours of this shit” going through my head- but the visiual states haven’t always been stressful by any means, even the really rough ones, not entirely anyway. Some have been real humdingers, but some have been pure bliss.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

—–Original Message—–
From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full
session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is
quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
the cupboard.

All the best

Nick

ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
exactly set one up for a good time maybe.

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 10:15:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: The 2005 Perseid Meteor Shower
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:04:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 5:19:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it more body-based?

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 4:44:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ekki,

Well, to tell you the truth, I can’t remember so much. What I recall is that
for the “3 nights of Ngoze” – the initiation – people were up all the time,
the whole group do rituals, make music, and dance throughout the night.
There’s a lot of structure and a clear hierachy. They would pass around an
iboga drink – rootbark mixed with water in a plastic bottle, and swig from
it. During the day they ate and chilled out, though the kombo – the head
woman – would stop them from sleeping and frequently freak out at people,
which kept them on their toes. I think the main thing is they keep moving.
They don’t sleep at all for 3 nights. And they drink iboga a little to keep
the energy moving. This what I’ve described is for the people who are
already initiated and are just taking part to support. Those actually doing
initiation are totally out of it in the back of the temple and being walked
around every now and again.

My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God. It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who are
actually really up for it.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 22 July 2005 19:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

nick, how is it when people in cameroon take iboga and dance?
i read your article on iboga tourism on mindvox. could you tell more
about bwiti-partying?

i hope i will see the day when initiated westerners will dance to
electronic beats on iboga at iboga-raves, so that i have some company
with this.
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you
to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on
the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 2:31:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nick, how is it when people in cameroon take iboga and dance?
i read your article on iboga tourism on mindvox. could you tell more about bwiti-partying?

i hope i will see the day when initiated westerners will dance to electronic beats on iboga at iboga-raves, so that i have some company with this.
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 2:27:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard!
i remember on my first journey for detox i found it quite exhausting too, still didnīt want it to stop and felt really bad immediately afterwards. well i felt bad before too, and didnīt realize the change yet.

iīm 31 years old.

itīs cool to email with you Howard, thatīs like talking with hoffman about lsd, only that ibogaine goes deeper. thanks!

cheers ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 18:00 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

Hi Ekki,

Let me correct myself.  It is not that I say why have I done this again but,
at some time when exhausted I say I will never do this again and then, at some
point in the future, do so once more. Though the times between experiences
have become more and more distant.  Decades in some cases.

How old are you if I may ask?

Thanks

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 12:00:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,

Let me correct myself.  It is not that I say why have I done this again but,
at some time when exhausted I say I will never do this again and then, at some
point in the future, do so once more. Though the times between experiences
have become more and more distant.  Decades in some cases.

How old are you if I may ask?

Thanks

Howard
In a message dated 7/22/05 6:58:37 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the

person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the

person.

for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with

the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like

returning.

i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like

trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”

-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you

to

take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on

the

mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]

Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not,

the

sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is

quite common.  When I

was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20

hours in.  As I

grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,

recognizing that

there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up

to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons

to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done

this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve

got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each

time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff

I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using

psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind,

deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to

come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff

it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that

get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >> >>

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 11:22:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OOOOH,  very good description!

————– Original message ————–

> Hi Howard,
>
> Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
> take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
> mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”
>
> Nick
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
> > Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> >
> > Dear Nick,
> >
> > Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
> > sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
> > quite common. When I
> > was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
> > hours in. As I
> > grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
> > recognizing that
> > there were too many hours to go.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
> >
> > << > —–Original Message—–
> >
> > > From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
> >
> > > Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
> >
> > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >
> > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
> >
> > > I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full
> >
> > > session was 17mg/k
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
> >
> > > were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
> >
> > > is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is
> >
> > > quite fearful.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
> >
> > > remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
> >
> > > visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
> >
> > > I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
> >
> > > almost the same level of visuals involved.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
> >
> > > time, but highly recommend it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
> >
> > > guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
> >
> > > month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
> >
> > > pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
> >
> > > based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hey DM,
> >
> >
> > If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
> >
> > taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
> >
> > it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
> >
> > again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
> >
> > fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
> >
> > after the first.
> >
> >
> > I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
> >
> > processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
> >
> > don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
> >
> > pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
> >
> > therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
> >
> > what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
> >
> > out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
> >
> > experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
> >
> > likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
> > get thrown in
> >
> > the cupboard.
> >
> >
> > All the best
> >
> >
> > Nick >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: FW: Emailing: pronoia.therapy- May be my new “religion”
Date: July 22, 2005 at 9:49:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From my mom…
love tink

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From: Anne Parfitt <anne@gmavt.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: FW: Emailing: pronoia.therapy-  May be my new “religion”
To: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>

Maybe you could pass this on to the Ibogaine folks. The focus is on
what does work! Where are you?

Thank you for your time,

Anne Parfitt

Don Brumfield’s Office

Northeast Garden Group

Ph 802-453-6901

Fx 802-453-4301

________________________________

From: Anne Parfitt [mailto:anne@gmavt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:35 PM
To: ‘hannah parfitt’
Subject: Emailing: pronoia.therapy- May be my new “religion”

________________________________

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by helping people in need than by meditation skills or mastery of
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But I also believe in a second kind of healing which is largely
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entirely, it will provide a substantial amelioration which you will be
able to feel the benefits of within a month.

3. Eat a pinch of dirt while affirming that you are ready to kill off
one of your outworn shticks — some idea or formula that has worked
for you in the past but has now become a parody of itself.

4. Using crayons, paints, scissors, glue, collage materials or any
other materials, create a piece of large-denomination paper money,
good for making a payment on your karmic debt.

5. Kick your own ass 22 times.

6. Brag about yourself nonstop for 10 minutes. Record it so you can
listen back to it later.

7. Perform a senseless act of altruism, for instance by giving an
anonymous gift or providing some beauty or healing to a person who
cannot do you any favors in return.

8. Deliver a concentrated stream of praise about someone, either to
that person herself or to anyone who will listen. Extra credit: Force
yourself to think a kind and loving thought about someone you don’t
like or from whom you feel alienated.

9. Conjure up an imaginary friend and have an intimate conversation
with him and her for at least 15 minutes.

10. Build an altar devoted to beauty, truth, and love in one of the
ugliest places you know.

11. With a companion, watch a blank TV while making up a pronoiac
story featuring plot twists that are rife with happiness, redemption,
and good times — yet not boring. You may either speak this tale aloud
or write it down.

12. Compose and perform a ceremony in which you get married to yourself.

13. While making love, imagine that your physical pleasure is a
carrier wave for a spiritual blessing which you beam in the direction
of some person you know who needs a supercharged boost.

(c) 1995-2004, Rob Brezsny. All rights reserved.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] U.S., Netherlands agree to cut drug use
Date: July 22, 2005 at 9:32:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050718-11024500-bc-us-netherlands.xml
U.S., Netherlands agree to cut drug use
WASHINGTON, July 18 (UPI) — The Netherlands has agreed to reduce the use of drugs within its borders, bowing to a long-standing demand from the United States.
snip-
Anyone else hear about this, and know what exactly this means?

as a bonus, at this URL:
http://pulsetc.com/article.php?sid=1949
There’s a photo of Heinrich Dresser, the inventor of heroin, about half way down the page, just above the section about Iran/Contra players (it’s another CIA is/was/alwayshasbeen involved in the international drug trade tirade, but a pretty good one that is well, and interestingly illustrated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the person.
for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like returning.
i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:01:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 22, 2005 at 12:07:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey dude,
What’s tink on about?  Hope you’re ok…..
Love always
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 11:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!

Cookie Break…

                                      Cosmic Cookie

                        Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
                     This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
                                 All Beings in the Universe
                        are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
                            All of Us are the same Divine Being
                              experiencing our own Creativity
                      expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
                          None is better or worse than any Other.
                                We are Consciousness or Mind
                             in an Infinite Self Relationship.
                            We are the Self… relating to Self.

                       THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS
Namaste
Matthew
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 21, 2005 at 11:21:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sending you as much love as i can muster…you know what you need to
do.  Aim me tomorrow after 3
love
tinkermom

On 7/21/05, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:
Cookie Break…

Cosmic Cookie

Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
All Beings in the Universe
are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
All of Us are the same Divine Being
experiencing our own Creativity
expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
None is better or worse than any Other.
We are Consciousness or Mind
in an Infinite Self Relationship.
We are the Self… relating to Self.

THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS

Namaste
Matthew
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From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] More on Dietary Supplements
Date: July 21, 2005 at 9:25:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

————————————————————————–
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CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

July 18,  2005

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on the Central
American
Free Trade Agreement in the next two weeks, and one little-known provision
of the agreement desperately needs to be exposed to public view.  CAFTA,
like the World Trade Organization, may serve as a forum for restricting or
even banning dietary supplements in the U.S.

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in
the
1960s, is charged with “harmonizing” food and supplement rules between all
nations of the world.  Under Codex rules, even basic vitamins and minerals
require a doctor’s prescription.  The European Union already has adopted
Codex-type regulations, regulations that will be in effect across Europe
later this year.  This raises concerns that the Europeans will challenge
our
relatively open market for health supplements in a WTO forum.  This is
hardly far-fetched, as Congress already has cravenly changed our tax laws
to
comply with a WTO order.

Like WTO, CAFTA increases the possibility that Codex regulations will be
imposed on the American public.  Section 6 of CAFTA discusses Codex as a
regulatory standard for nations that join the agreement.  If CAFTA has
nothing to do with dietary supplements, as CAFTA supporters claim, why in
the world does it specifically mention Codex?

Unquestionably there has been a slow but sustained effort to regulate
dietary supplements on an international level.  WTO and CAFTA are part of
this effort. Passage of CAFTA does not mean your supplements will be
outlawed immediately, but it will mean that another international trade
body
will have a say over whether American supplement regulations meet
international standards.  And make no mistake about it, those
international
standards are moving steadily toward the Codex regime and its draconian
restrictions on health freedom.  So the question is this: Does CAFTA, with
its link to Codex, make it more likely or less likely that someday you
will
need a doctor’s prescription to buy even simple supplements like Vitamin
C?
The answer is clear.  CAFTA means less freedom for you, and more control
for
bureaucrats who do not answer to American voters.

Pharmaceutical companies have spent billions of dollars trying to get
Washington to regulate your dietary supplements like European governments
do.  So far, that effort has failed in America, in part because of a 1994
law called the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.  Big Pharma
and
the medical establishment hate this Act, because it allows consumers some
measure of freedom to buy the supplements they want.  Americans like this
freedom, however– especially the health conscious Baby Boomers.

This is why the drug companies support WTO and CAFTA.  They see
international trade agreements as a way to do an end run around American
law
and restrict supplements through international regulations.

The largely government-run health care establishment, including the
nominally private pharmaceutical companies, want government to control the
dietary supplement industry– so that only they can manufacture and
distribute supplements.  If that happens, as it already is happening in
Europe, the supplements you now take will be available only by
prescription
and at a much higher cost– if they are available at all.  This alone is
sufficient reason for Congress to oppose the unconstitutional,
sovereignty-destroying CAFTA bill.

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From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAFTA and Dietary Supplements
Date: July 21, 2005 at 9:14:24 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

————————————————————————–
——

CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

July 18,  2005

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on the Central American
Free Trade Agreement in the next two weeks, and one little-known provision
of the agreement desperately needs to be exposed to public view.  CAFTA,
like the World Trade Organization, may serve as a forum for restricting or
even banning dietary supplements in the U.S.

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in the
1960s, is charged with “harmonizing” food and supplement rules between all
nations of the world.  Under Codex rules, even basic vitamins and minerals
require a doctor’s prescription.  The European Union already has adopted
Codex-type regulations, regulations that will be in effect across Europe
later this year.  This raises concerns that the Europeans will challenge our
relatively open market for health supplements in a WTO forum.  This is
hardly far-fetched, as Congress already has cravenly changed our tax laws to
comply with a WTO order.

Like WTO, CAFTA increases the possibility that Codex regulations will be
imposed on the American public.  Section 6 of CAFTA discusses Codex as a
regulatory standard for nations that join the agreement.  If CAFTA has
nothing to do with dietary supplements, as CAFTA supporters claim, why in
the world does it specifically mention Codex?

Unquestionably there has been a slow but sustained effort to regulate
dietary supplements on an international level.  WTO and CAFTA are part of
this effort. Passage of CAFTA does not mean your supplements will be
outlawed immediately, but it will mean that another international trade body
will have a say over whether American supplement regulations meet
international standards.  And make no mistake about it, those international
standards are moving steadily toward the Codex regime and its draconian
restrictions on health freedom.  So the question is this: Does CAFTA, with
its link to Codex, make it more likely or less likely that someday you will
need a doctor’s prescription to buy even simple supplements like Vitamin C?
The answer is clear.  CAFTA means less freedom for you, and more control for
bureaucrats who do not answer to American voters.

Pharmaceutical companies have spent billions of dollars trying to get
Washington to regulate your dietary supplements like European governments
do.  So far, that effort has failed in America, in part because of a 1994
law called the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.  Big Pharma and
the medical establishment hate this Act, because it allows consumers some
measure of freedom to buy the supplements they want.  Americans like this
freedom, however– especially the health conscious Baby Boomers.

This is why the drug companies support WTO and CAFTA.  They see
international trade agreements as a way to do an end run around American law
and restrict supplements through international regulations.

The largely government-run health care establishment, including the
nominally private pharmaceutical companies, want government to control the
dietary supplement industry– so that only they can manufacture and
distribute supplements.  If that happens, as it already is happening in
Europe, the supplements you now take will be available only by prescription
and at a much higher cost– if they are available at all.  This alone is
sufficient reason for Congress to oppose the unconstitutional,
sovereignty-destroying CAFTA bill.

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 21, 2005 at 7:33:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cookie Break…

Cosmic Cookie

Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
All Beings in the Universe
are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
All of Us are the same Divine Being
experiencing our own Creativity
expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
None is better or worse than any Other.
We are Consciousness or Mind
in an Infinite Self Relationship.
We are the Self… relating to Self.

THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS

Namaste
Matthew

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 4:38:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick,

I’m basically OK with the severity of the processing and Ibo really does give you the chance to see and face things that are in back of the head. As has been said multiple times here Ibo gives you what you need, not what you want. It still terrifies me but “I am human, therefore nothing human is alien to me” – I can take it.

My screenname will probably change in the future. I took it because darkmatter is the most prevalent form of matter in the universe, it is unseen and everywhere. Most people interpret as dark and forboding, but for me its about profundity, or the desire for profundity.

TAke care,

Mark
————– Original message ————–

>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
> > Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> >
> > A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
> > I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full
> > session was 17mg/k
> >
> > It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
> > were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
> > is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is
> > quite fearful.
> >
> > Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
> > remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
> > visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
> > I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
> > almost the same level of visuals involved.
> >
> > I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
> > time, but highly recommend it.
> >
> > The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
> > guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
> > month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive
> >
> > I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
> > pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
> > based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hey DM,
>
> If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
> taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
> it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
> again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
> fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
> after the first.
>
> I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
> processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
> don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
> pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
> therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
> what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
> out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
> experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
> likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
> the cupboard.
>
> All the best
>
> Nick
>
> ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
> exactly set one up for a good time maybe.
>
>
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 1:41:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20 hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in, recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 10:38:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full
session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is
quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
the cupboard.

All the best

Nick

ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
exactly set one up for a good time maybe.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 21, 2005 at 5:14:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

It’s radionic iboga! Contains no actual molecules of ibogaine. Radionics is
like homeopathy, but it uses a machine to record a “signal” from a substance
and then imprints this signal onto purified water. This batch was made in a
radionics lab in 1999, using T.iboga rootbark as the starting point. No use
for detox but might be interesting to work with or as an adjunct to proper
treatment. I was clearing out some stuff in my room and found a load of it.
Tony’s Hemp Corner in Kings X, London also used to sell it once.

All the best

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 19 July 2005 23:24
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as
desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2
quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on
this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item
=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [RE:] ot a little toa….
Date: July 20, 2005 at 6:23:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

can’t spell today..or type…
love ya
tink

On 7/20/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

You Rock Tink!!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:48:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/20/05 2:01:42 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< thanks Howard,

could you explain what “throw higher plasma levels” mean? blood plasma

in the body?

as far as i understand 18-mc is not psychedelic/visionary and might be

perhaps an option for chronic pain patients who want a low dose

ibo/18-mc + low dose opiate maintenance? >>

“throw higher plasma levels”, concerns itself with the amount of a drug in
blood in the body.  You are correct.  What the effects of 18-mc in human
subjects are remains a mystery as there are no reports of it being taken by human
subjects.  While many animal and human responses to any given drug may be similar
it is not always so.  So I wait with anticipation for someone to get their
hands on 18-mc.

Howard

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [RE:] ot a little toa….
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:18:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You Rock Tink!!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:07:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 4:35:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ekki scibbled in infinite wisdom
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body
and head or something.<

Ah yes, well put, I must admit. I should have considered this but didn’t. You’re actually very right, I do usually feel like I’m “returning” when actually first “leaving.” Thanks for reminding me of that particular point.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration

Am 19.07.2005 um 22:24 schrieb Preston Peet:

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
that´s interesting. maybe if i try HCl again sometime it will be
different afterwards.

I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body
and head or something.

Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down?
according to my knowledge there is rootbark chips like the ones from
ethnogarden where they recommend doses between 16-45g, shredded
rootbark from maya ethn. with rec. dose range 5-15g, shredded root
which doesn´t do anything unless someone manages to gulp down like 250g
and indra extract which is said to be appr. 5 times stronger than
rootbark. dose recommendations from sellers are naturally rather
careful. i made a liquid extract from chips soaked for a few weeks in a
brew of vodka, red wine and lemon juice and then shortly boiled it and
it worked and needed just 10 minutes to get hold after ingesting but
tasted terrible and was not so nice on the stomach.

I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.
from the two treatments/detoxes i performed: once it was difficult to
get enough rootbark into the patient and the other time with HCl
disolved in warm water there was no problem getting it down and hardly
any sickness in the stomach. yogurt sounds like an option and HCl
dissolved in yogurt (like with blueberry taste) might be a way to
smuggle ibogaine into the states.

cheers
ekki

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:00:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 20.07.2005 um 07:31 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

Dear Ekki,

I think the negative side effects you identify from continuous use of
ibogaine has been mentioned in Patrick’s article on low dose ibogaine therapy
published in MAPS and that it is more or less universally recognized by persons who
had used ibogaine low doses for two or more weeks.  In some cases less.  This
may be one of the many ways in which ibogaine demonstrates its own antiabuse
effects. It is not impossible that this may be a noribogaine effect as
noribogaine is known to throw higher plasma levels than ibogaine.  Now if supplies of
18-mc were available some really intersting work could be done to see how it
compares to ibogaine. I guess I can wish.

Best regards.

Howard

thanks Howard,
could you explain what “throw higher plasma levels” mean? blood plasma in the body?

as far as i understand 18-mc is not psychedelic/visionary and might be perhaps an option for chronic pain patients who want a low dose ibo/18-mc + low dose opiate maintenance?

it´s cool that ibogaine has a built-in antiabuse function, so i won´t repeat the mistake i made with lsd 10 years ago, habitually dropping acid twice a week which after a while left my brain foggy&slow.

-ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:00:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 19.07.2005 um 22:24 schrieb Preston Peet:

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
that´s interesting. maybe if i try HCl again sometime it will be different afterwards.

I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body and head or something.

Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down?
according to my knowledge there is rootbark chips like the ones from ethnogarden where they recommend doses between 16-45g, shredded rootbark from maya ethn. with rec. dose range 5-15g, shredded root which doesn´t do anything unless someone manages to gulp down like 250g and indra extract which is said to be appr. 5 times stronger than rootbark. dose recommendations from sellers are naturally rather careful. i made a liquid extract from chips soaked for a few weeks in a brew of vodka, red wine and lemon juice and then shortly boiled it and it worked and needed just 10 minutes to get hold after ingesting but tasted terrible and was not so nice on the stomach.

I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.
from the two treatments/detoxes i performed: once it was difficult to get enough rootbark into the patient and the other time with HCl disolved in warm water there was no problem getting it down and hardly any sickness in the stomach. yogurt sounds like an option and HCl dissolved in yogurt (like with blueberry taste) might be a way to smuggle ibogaine into the states.

cheers
ekki

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines
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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers
Date: July 20, 2005 at 8:57:33 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

These rock! I am the kind of fellow to look for deep meanings in things so these provide both deep meanings and a slap in the face with a rubber chicken….cheers!

-Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:20 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers

 

Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers 

1. 
”Be a fundamentalist, make sure fun always comes before the mental. Realize that life is a situation comedy that will never be cancelled. A laugh track has been provided and the reason why we are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a good laughsitive twice a day and that will insure regularhilarity. 

2.
Remember that each of us has been given a special gift – just for entering. So you are already a winner! 

3. 
The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A-Vision. That is where I tell a vision to you and you tell a vision to me 

4. 
Life is like photography. You use the negative to develop. 

5. 
As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between our ears, causing a condition called truth decay. So be sure to use your truth brush and mental floss twice a day. And when you’re tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember what we teach in the Absurdiveness Training Class: “Don’t get even, get odd.” 

6. 
If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That’s where I no mad at you, you no mad at me. That way, there will surely be nomadness on the planet. And peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere. 

7. 
I know great earth changes have been predicted for the future, so if you’re looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple. When you find a fault, just don’t dwell on it. 

8. 
There’s no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train the world, and we’ll never have to change it again. 

9. 
Everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if you don’t like it, it’s not my fault. And remember,enlightenment is not a bureaucracy. You don’t have to go through channels. 

10. 
Finally, if you’re looking to find the key to the universe, I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is – there is no key to the Universe. The good news is – it was never locked.”

Swami Beyondananda

Visit him at: http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/index.html

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers
Date: July 20, 2005 at 7:19:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers 

1. 
”Be a fundamentalist, make sure fun always comes before the mental. Realize that life is a situation comedy that will never be cancelled. A laugh track has been provided and the reason why we are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a good laughsitive twice a day and that will insure regularhilarity. 

2.
Remember that each of us has been given a special gift – just for entering. So you are already a winner! 

3. 
The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A-Vision. That is where I tell a vision to you and you tell a vision to me 

4. 
Life is like photography. You use the negative to develop. 

5. 
As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between our ears, causing a condition called truth decay. So be sure to use your truth brush and mental floss twice a day. And when you’re tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember what we teach in the Absurdiveness Training Class: “Don’t get even, get odd.” 

6. 
If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That’s where I no mad at you, you no mad at me. That way, there will surely be nomadness on the planet. And peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere. 

7. 
I know great earth changes have been predicted for the future, so if you’re looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple. When you find a fault, just don’t dwell on it. 

8. 
There’s no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train the world, and we’ll never have to change it again. 

9. 
Everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if you don’t like it, it’s not my fault. And remember,enlightenment is not a bureaucracy. You don’t have to go through channels. 

10. 
Finally, if you’re looking to find the key to the universe, I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is – there is no key to the Universe. The good news is – it was never locked.”

Swami Beyondananda

Visit him at: http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/index.html

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] appogies for my mail…. STILL
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:10:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God, it’s still going on and I’m getting pretty fed up with it.  Just have to get bothered enuff to deal with a techie………the idea of doing that the past week has been worse than the problem itself….feeling quite run down and blah in general.
But…. I am going to get it fixed…… sorry bout the pic twice, and the size, I thought it was smaller………
Ah well ya get that.  Spose I’m back on the top of the “annoying posters” list yeh? Cool!
I want a medal.
Kirk :oP~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:52:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good to hear it,
Walk slow, smell dem flowa’s and gaze at dem stars.  It’s all good for ya :o)
And the water….if you can get to a spring, or some form of (safe lol) moving fresh water your body will love ya for it.  Here’s where I  get mine from.. when I need to escape the little city…I go for a drive up to here and get this water………………it’s so delicious and full of um…. Well    bit of possum poo never hurt anyone did it? Lol
Anyone else feeling like a bulldozer ran over them when ya weren’t looking?
Luff to ya
Kirk

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 4:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:49:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good to hear it,
Walk slow, smell dem flowa’s and gaze at dem stars.  It’s all good for ya :o)
And the water….if you can get to a spring, or some form of (safe lol) moving fresh water your body will love ya for it.  Here’s where I  get mine from.. when I need to escape the little city…I go for a drive up to here and get this water………………it’s so delicious and full of um…. Well    bit of possum poo never hurt anyone did it? Lol
Anyone else feeling like a bulldozer ran over them when ya weren’t looking?
Luff to ya
Kirk

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 4:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:31:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/19/05 6:38:03 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects

from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month

up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need

some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least

at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer

and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki >>

Dear Ekki,

I think the negative side effects you identify from continuous use of
ibogaine has been mentioned in Patrick’s article on low dose ibogaine therapy
published in MAPS and that it is more or less universally recognized by persons who
had used ibogaine low doses for two or more weeks.  In some cases less.  This
may be one of the many ways in which ibogaine demonstrates its own antiabuse
effects. It is not impossible that this may be a noribogaine effect as
noribogaine is known to throw higher plasma levels than ibogaine.  Now if supplies of
18-mc were available some really intersting work could be done to see how it
compares to ibogaine. I guess I can wish.

Best regards.

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:46:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love to you all
tink

On 7/18/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Warm fuzzies to Sean from Aotearoa :o)

How are you doing Randy man?

Much love to you too

Kirk xx

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember
his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the
hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend
of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want
anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has
done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very
glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post
about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send
positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was
in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:29:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Okay, what are you up to, nick, darling.  iboga eye drops?
love tink

On 7/19/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as
desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2
quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on
this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
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Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:23:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2 quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 5:07:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes, the full spectrum is a lot more gentle but a little longer. The HCL is a lot more intense in my expereince but I was on the other side quicker. I prefer the HCL.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Hallo M! could you tell any difference on the full spectrum HCl and the
pure ibogaineHCl? -ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 19:49 schrieb mcorcoran:

> ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year
> or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone
> until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s
> probably kidding. :o)
> But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of
> something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I
> believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few
> boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to
> be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more
> difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally
> interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
> Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but
> I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit.
> Hello to all. -M.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:24:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down? I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration

with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 2:41:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hallo M! could you tell any difference on the full spectrum HCl and the pure ibogaineHCl? -ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 19:49 schrieb mcorcoran:

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 2:07:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Email me off the list.

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:47:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like
mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on
the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i
ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this
was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway
hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being
clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the
last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration
HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects
from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month
up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need
some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least
at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer
and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

> It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses
> of the
> HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which
> produced the
> lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
>
> << with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
>
> (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
>
> presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
>
> about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
>
> a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
>
> mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
>
> rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>
>
>
>
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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:49:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like
mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on
the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i
ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this
was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway
hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being
clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the
last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration
HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects
from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month
up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need
some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least
at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer
and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

> It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses
> of the
> HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which
> produced the
> lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
>
> << with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
>
> (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
>
> presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
>
> about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
>
> a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
>
> mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
>
> rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>
>
>
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:05:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses of the
HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which produced the
lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:39:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses of the
HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which produced the
lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:36:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,

Sorry I didn’t make myself clear.  Are the comparative doses of HCl and
rootbark/extract that you are discussing full therapeutic doses?

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration

afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read

something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.

powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to

me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and

strength

of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with

all other

effects being equal?

Howard >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 10:55:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 10:52:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment. about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting, mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] punishing pain
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:30:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com


(Free NYTimes registration required)
Punishing Pain

By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: July 19, 2005
Zephyrhills, Fla.
When I visited Richard Paey here, it quickly became clear that he posed no menace to society in his new home, a high-security Florida state prison near Tampa, where he was serving a 25-year sentence. The fences, topped with razor wire, were more than enough to keep him from escaping because Mr. Paey relies on a wheelchair to get around.

Mr. Paey, who is 46, suffers from multiple sclerosis and chronic pain from an automobile accident two decades ago. It damaged his spinal cord and left him with sharp pains in his legs that got worse after a botched operation. One night he woke up convinced that the room was on fire.
“It felt like my legs were in a vat of molten steel,” he told me. “I couldn’t move them, and they were burning.”

His wife, Linda, an optometrist, supported him and their three children as he tried to find an alternative to opiates. “At first I was mad at him for not being able to get better without the medicines,” she said. “But when he’s tried every kind of therapy they suggested and he’s still curled up in a ball at night crying from pain, what else can he do but take more medicine?”

The problem was getting the medicine from doctors who are afraid of the federal and local crusades against painkillers. Mr. Paey managed to find a doctor willing to give him some relief, but it was a “vegetative dose,” in his wife’s words.

snip-

Mr. Paey is merely the most outrageous example of the problem as he contemplates spending the rest of his life on a three-inch foam mattress on a steel prison bed. He told me he tried not to do anything to aggravate his condition because going to the emergency room required an excruciating four-hour trip sitting in a wheelchair with his arms and legs in chains.

The odd thing, he said, is that he’s actually getting better medication than he did at the time of his arrest because the State of Florida is now supplying him with a morphine pump, which gives him more pain relief than the pills that triggered so much suspicion. The illogic struck him as utterly normal.

snip-

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT fun stuff, Thanks George.
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:11:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings butt
shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more,
but have less; we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and
smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees
but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more
problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read
too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our
possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom,
and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living, but not a life.

We’ve added years to life not life to years. We’ve been all the way to the
moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new
neighbour. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We’ve done larger
things, but not better things.

We’ve cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We’ve conquered the atom,
but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but
accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more
computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but
we communicate less and less. These are the times of fast foods and slow
digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow
relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier
houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable
diapers, throw away morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and
pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when
there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom.

A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you
can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete.

Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going
to be around forever.

Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because
that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the
only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn’t cost a cent.

Remember, to say, “I love you” to your partner and your loved ones, but
most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes
from deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will
not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time
to share the precious thoughts in your mind.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

HOW TO STAY YOUNG
1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.
Let the doctor worry about them. That is why you pay him/her.

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,
whatever. Never let the brain idle. ” An idle mind is the devil’s
workshop.” And the devil’s name is Alzheimer’s.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person who is
with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love, whether it’s family, pets,
keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable,
improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don’t take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, to the next county, to
a foreign country, but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

If you don’t send this to at least 8 people who cares?

George Carlin

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:06:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:39:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks everyone for their inputs!

Lorenzo, you know how it is: when an information isn’t needed Th15 V3rY
m0Men+ it just drifts somewhere in the back of the memory –> that’s why
same old questions are answered 15+ times…

FAQ seems like a good idea. The problem is (as others have pointed out)
*who* (is qualified enough to do it) + (has time to do it) + (finds
purpose in doing it) + (etc…)

The smallest problem would be finding someone to put this on some
server…

Marko

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lorenzo wrote:

— On Thu 07/14, ekki  wrote:
From: ekki [mailto: ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:05 +0200
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:> Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication  > pre or post Ibo??>no

Yes.

In last 2 years these same questions have been answered here at least 15 times.

Patrick great love to you, in next months when list changes to more formats would be a great idea to put up knowledge base and more faqs on mindvox. Would help, since same questions asked here so many times.

Yes also I not only run my mouth, I too have Spotlight and am willing to help organize and give something back to this place that has given me much, which makes it simpler for others to find the knowledge that is buried here!

Cheers
Lorenzo

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:22:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to me, even in higher doses.

i wonder how total alkaloid extract like the one ethnogarden offers behaves in that respect and how it generally feels compared to HCl or rootbarkextract.

another thing i observed is that very small doses of any form of Ibo generally enhances focus and concentration for an hour or two.

-ekki

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:27:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 18, 2005 at 11:15:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Warm fuzzies to Sean from Aotearoa :o)
How are you doing Randy man?
Much love to you too
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 18, 2005 at 9:14:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Lao tribes suffer from drug crackdown
By Tom Fawthrop
In Vientiane

The opium poppy that has long bloomed across the mountains of northern
Laos has almost been wiped out by the government’s drastic eradication
campaign.

But what is being hailed as a victory by the international
anti-narcotics agencies has also spawned a humanitarian crisis, due to
the massive displacement of hill tribes and their loss of economic
livelihood.

The campaign was spearheaded by the US government, with support from the
European Union.

Such was its success that the authorities in Laos claim the country has
achieved its 2005 deadline to become an opium-free country. The UNODC
(the UN Office for Drugs and Crime) has confirmed that Laos had achieved
a poppy reduction of 73% since 2000.

But unlike the major opium producers such as Afghanistan and Burma, Laos
was only ever a marginal player in the international drugs trade.

And in order to eradicate production, an estimated 65,000 hill tribe
people have been displaced from the mountains of northern Laos where the
opium poppy thrives.

A survey by UN development consultant Charles Alton found that “hill
tribe people moving to new villages not only lack sufficient rice, but
they face fresh diseases – malaria, gastro-intestinal problems and
parasites”.

Many are said to be dying of malaria and dysentery, and mortality rates
as high as 4% have been recorded – rates normally found only in war
zones and areas of refugee resettlement.

Change in approach

In the past, the Lao authorities tolerated opium poppy cultivation among
the hill tribes, which make up more than 45% of the population.

Vientiane’s liberal policy was spelt out in a 1999 memorandum entitled
“A Balanced Approach to Opium Elimination in Laos.”

Back then the government argued that poppy cultivation could not be
eradicated until alternative crops and economic development were already
in place.

However the US government and narcotics agencies escalated the pressure
in 2000.

In the words of one NGO leader, who prefers to remain anonymous, “they
pushed for opium elimination before economic development was in place,
so they put the cart before the horse”.

The dangling of a $80m carrot in aid, promised by the UN drugs control
agency, led to a capitulation. In 2001 the Lao authorities plunged
headlong into a hardline Western agenda of all-out war on the opium
poppy.

Western embassies concede that their anti-drug policy may have been
over-zealously implemented.

Sandro Serrato, the EU’s chief of mission in Vientiane, admitted that
“the implementation of opium eradication has probably been too rapid and
[has] lacked resources”.

But he also sympathised with the government’s resettlement strategy,
arguing: “There is such a scattered population, the government feels
that only by bringing people down from the remote areas can they provide
social services and development.”

The EU is in favour of offering financial aid for future resettlement,
as long as the government respects three points: there should be
consultation, economic alternatives and the relocation must be
voluntary.

But the monitoring of government compliance with any of these criteria
is regarded as highly problematic, given the authoritarian nature of
this one-party state.

Critics question both the sustainability and objectives of a policy that
appears to have inflicted more harm than good.

“Resettlement has caused the disruption of the hill tribes’ way of
life,” one highly respected Lao academic, who wished to remain
anonymous, explained. “Opium has many uses – as a major cash crop, for
medicine and in traditional ceremonies and festive events.”

Now, he warned, “it is the lack of opium that is far more dangerous”.

Lack of alternatives

The inhabitants of Laos – both lowland and hill tribe people – have
recently become victims of “ya ba” (amphetamines) and heroin flowing
across the country from laboratories in neighbouring Burma.

The apparent success in wiping out opium has only contributed to far
worse drug, social and economic problems, according to anthropologist
David Feingold.

He warned that “likely long-term consequences will be increasing heroin
and amphetamine use, [and] greater vulnerability of highland girls and
women to trafficking and unsafe migration. Both of these outcomes will
contribute to exacerbating HIV/Aids”.

Lao specialist Bruce Shoemaker also pointed out that opium produced a
high value crop using a very small amount of land.

The average opium farmer could earn about $200 a year, and Mr Shoemaker
said that “no one alternative crop can come even close to matching this
– it is just not sustainable”.

A growing number of development specialists support an entirely
different approach. Instead of destroying the poppies, the Lao acaemic
advocated “a legal opium quota under strict international supervision,
to be sold to pharmaceutical companies”.

“If the farmers of Tasmania get benefit from opium, why not our poor
farmers too?” he argued.

Although no feasibility study has ever been done, the UNODC chief in
Vientiane, Klaus Nyholm, instantly rejected any prospect of Laos joining
the club of legal opium producers – which includes Australia, India, and
Turkey.

Whether opium is grown under legal control or illegally, many aid
workers are convinced that only by ignoring human rights can they stop
poor farmers from growing such a lucrative crop.

William Dangers from Church World Service development agency in Laos
said these farmers would ” always go back to opium unless the government
uses repression to stop them”.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4673109.stm

Published: 2005/07/15 14:02:21 GMT

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 18, 2005 at 6:27:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 2:25:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do it Ben, great movie 🙂

.:vector:.

— BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of
work. Take
it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love
and Light
Randy

____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book – Clarification
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:48:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just to clarify something. The eboga list is most definitely open to those who use eboga for addiction interruption. However the emphasis on the eboga list is on the ongoing work via the help of eboga towards healing and not just the mechanics of temporary cessation of an addiction.
Lee

Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Rick,

I agree with you on the need to share. I have posted my own preliminary and mostly personal observations on low dose treatment here:

www.my-eboga.com/healing.html.

Select the option for low dose treatment at the time.

What makes me excited is that I have collected many notes on my own experiences and personal observations and it is in the writing that the deeper synthesis of all these experiences comes together. So unfortunately it will take the writing and the editing to get the whole thing together and to compose a bigger connected picture.

I have been a pawn in a game of eboga and have made many mistakes along the way with my own assumptions about eboga healing. I have come to realise its because by doing everything from pretty right to pretty wrong at some level I have taken on board a lot of insight which will ultimately come to fruition when I get all my notes together, write it all down in a systematic way and then undergo further eboga sessions to check on the direction and content of my writting. These observations are based on my own personal experiences for the most part.

I am very excited about this as I really do enjoy the journey in the writing process but it is not done until it is done and that will be at least until Springtime. In the meantime when i get back to having the time to read the list I will continue to contribute if I can in a useful way.

For those who are using eboga on an ongoing basis with the intention of healing as opposed to addiction interruption, then please note the eboga list that has been set up for this reason. As it is smaller i do have time to follow it a little bit at the moment. It is not a list along the lines of the ibogaine list as such which caters for all and sundry. It is a list for those in the eboga healing process who have set goals and are using eboga to get there.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

All the best to you,

Lee

Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Lee Albert
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: dana@phantom.com
>CC: Ibogaine List
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:16:47 +0100 (BST)
>

>I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new
>aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right
>now my thoughts are in that direction.

Hi Lee,

I hope you’ll consider sharing at least some of that information with the
list. A lot of people seem to be trying to find out about using iboga in a
low dosage regimen – especially how to understand the risks so they can
safely do it for themselves. It would be helpful to have as much data as
possible in a place where someone can come along and piece it together. The
more light that’s shined on this, the better.

Thanks.

>Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the
>media. So if you write to the email address given here:
>www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down
>as editor of Cures, Not Wars.
>
>Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can
>do.
>
>All the best to you.
>
>Lee
>
>
>Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six
>year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process:
>www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
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>My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual
>interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those
>already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.
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Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:36:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Rick,

I agree with you on the need to share. I have posted my own preliminary and mostly personal observations on low dose treatment here:

www.my-eboga.com/healing.html.

Select the option for low dose treatment at the time.

What makes me excited is that I have collected many notes on my own experiences and personal observations and it is in the writing that the deeper synthesis of all these experiences comes together. So unfortunately it will take the writing and the editing to get the whole thing together and to compose a bigger connected picture.

I have been a pawn in a game of eboga and have made many mistakes along the way with my own assumptions about eboga healing. I have come to realise its because by doing everything from pretty right to pretty wrong at some level I have taken on board a lot of insight which will ultimately come to fruition when I get all my notes together, write it all down in a systematic way and then undergo further eboga sessions to check on the direction and content of my writting. These observations are based on my own personal experiences for the most part.

I am very excited about this as I really do enjoy the journey in the writing process but it is not done until it is done and that will be at least until Springtime. In the meantime when i get back to having the time to read the list I will continue to contribute if I can in a useful way.

For those who are using eboga on an ongoing basis with the intention of healing as opposed to addiction interruption, then please note the eboga list that has been set up for this reason. As it is smaller i do have time to follow it a little bit at the moment. It is not a list along the lines of the ibogaine list as such which caters for all and sundry. It is a list for those in the eboga healing process who have set goals and are using eboga to get there.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

All the best to you,

Lee

Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Lee Albert
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: dana@phantom.com
>CC: Ibogaine List
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:16:47 +0100 (BST)
>

>I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new
>aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right
>now my thoughts are in that direction.

Hi Lee,

I hope you’ll consider sharing at least some of that information with the
list. A lot of people seem to be trying to find out about using iboga in a
low dosage regimen – especially how to understand the risks so they can
safely do it for themselves. It would be helpful to have as much data as
possible in a place where someone can come along and piece it together. The
more light that’s shined on this, the better.

Thanks.

>Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the
>media. So if you write to the email address given here:
>www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down
>as editor of Cures, Not Wars.
>
>Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can
>do.
>
>All the best to you.
>
>Lee
>
>
>Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six
>year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process:
>www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
>
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>My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual
>interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those
>already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Vote Tomorrow on Amendment to Repeal the HEA Drug Provision
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:31:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Rebecca Saltzman
To: asa@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: [asa] Vote Tomorrow on Amendment to Repeal the HEA Drug Provision

A message from our friends from Students for Sensible Drug Policy:

Dear ASA Community,

Since 2000, students with drug convictions have been blocked access to
federal financial aid as a result of a little known provision of the Higher
Education Act (HEA). Added as a committee amendment in 1998, the Drug
Provision slipped into the 257-page HEA reauthorization bill without debate
or a recorded vote.

Now, as Congress turns its attention to this legislation once again, there
is an opportunity to scrap the Drug Provision once and for all. The House
and the Senate are currently considering revisions to the Higher Education
Act, including the Drug Provision.

Contact your representatives in Congress now and urge them to fully repeal
the Drug Provision and help young people get the education they need to live
productive lives and be responsible citizens.

Tomorrow or Wednesday, the House Education and Workforce Committee will
vote on an amendment to fully repeal the Higher Education Act Drug
Provision!

U.S. Representative Rob Andrews (D-NJ) is introducing the amendment and he
needs your support!

EVERYONE TAKE ACTION NOW!

1.Send a message to your representative:
http://capwiz.com/mobilize/issues/alert/?alertid=7839251&type=TA

2.Find out if your representative sits on the House Education and Workforce
Committee: http://edworkforce.house.gov/members/109th/mem-fc.htm

3.If so, CALL HIM OR HER NOW! Urge your representative to support the
Andrews Amendment to repeal the ban on federal financial aid for students
with drug convictions! Find your representative’s phone number:
http://congress.org

Sample Phone Script:

Hello, my name is ______ and I am calling from _____.  I am calling to urge
Senator/Representative _____ vote for Representative Rob Andrew’s amendment to repeal the ban on federal financial aid for students with drug convictions.

Right now, the author of the law, Congressman Mark Souder (R-IN) is offering
a proposal to scale back the Drug Provision. His proposal is a 10% solution
for a 100% flawed law. Under his proposal, the Drug Provision would still
disproportionately affect minorities and students from low- and
middle-income families. It would still only affect students who are doing
well in school.

The Drug Provision is a bad law that CANNOT be fixed. Please tell
Senator/Representative _____ to FULLY repeal the ban on federal financial
aid for drug convictions.

—-

Thanks so much! Don’t hesitate to contact SSDP if you have absolutely any
questions.

Onwards,

Abby Bair, Outreach Director
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Washington, DC 20009
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From: “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 7:39:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Randy,

I’m submitting the film for Sundance, but for Cannes it’s not suitable.
I don’t remember why, but I checked it before. The International Film
Festival Rotterdam, where it is selected is in fact the 4th biggest and
most important film festival in the world after Cannes, Toronto and
Berlin. With 800 films being played every year and a big guestlist of
comissioning editors, producers, distributors,…and filmfans, it’s a
very good place to show a film…
In any case, I’ll be there to spread flyers to as many people as
possible.

I also know there will be 2 other Film Festivals where it will be
screened, but that’s not official yet, so when the selection is
official, it will be announced in the next newsletter.

Peace to all of you,

Ben

Op 18/7/2005 schreef “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>:

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of work. Take
it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love and Light
Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:44:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of work. Take it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love and Light     Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:55:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my puddy tats are all pretty well Kirk, but my familiar, Bob, is growing old and bald and frail- I’m a little worried about the little fellow. He’s got Feline HIV too, but is still going fairly strong for not having been given more than a couple weeks when first rescued about 7 or 8 years ago.
Thanks for the positive reply too Kirk.
I wanna go back to sleep, but oddly can’t. Perry Ferrel’s solo album (Song Yet to be Sung) is playing quietly in the background and the apartment is totally dark other than for this computer screen, a bit hard to look at still but worth doing so. But now to lay back down and listen to the music and try to drift off again.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Luff lite n lafta to you too Preston, hope them “twitchees” don’t last long
and I love reading your copious posts, always  a good read (no matter what
state of mind you were in at the time…)
How are your puddy tats?
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 2:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last
couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post
subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give
anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take
opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be
taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of
ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all
have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a
time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with
some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today

seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli
counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling
into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so
after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to
be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so

many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very
lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get

me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches”
rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be
bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so
what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but
NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy
seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.
What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine
to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:28:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luff lite n lafta to you too Preston, hope them “twitchees” don’t last long
and I love reading your copious posts, always  a good read (no matter what
state of mind you were in at the time…)
How are your puddy tats?
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 2:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last
couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post
subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give
anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take
opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be
taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of
ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all
have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a
time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with
some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today

seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli
counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling
into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so
after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to
be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so

many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very
lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get

me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches”
rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be
bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so
what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but
NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy
seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.
What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine
to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:24:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luff lite n lafta to you too Preston, hope them “twitchees” don’t last long
and I love reading your copious posts, always  a good read (no matter what
state of mind you were in at the time…)
How are your puddy tats?
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 2:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last
couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post
subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give
anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take
opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be
taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of
ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all
have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a
time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with
some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today

seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli
counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling
into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so
after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to
be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so

many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very
lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get

me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches”
rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be
bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so
what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but
NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy
seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.
What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine
to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 10:21:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches” rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick. What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 9:56:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Viking “Berzerkers” and Siberian warriors used to eat fly agaric mushrooms before going into battle.

—- “VanAllen wrote:
While extremely fascinated by the topic of enthobotany, I have not heard of this particular usage. I have eaten fly muscara shrooms and would have to say that the idea of them causing fearlessness is odd. It may have been that these warriors learned fearlessness through the use of these fungi by the way of practice and hunting while under the shroomeric influence.  Combined with a long acting pain killer I imagine the feeling of invincibility would be attainable if accompanied with the sympathetic “fight or flight” adrenaline rush. The Chama-coco tribe in Amazonian forests were also said to combine powerful plants while on the hunt or in battle.

The Zulu warriors may have combined the two drugs?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:41 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman
Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?

I was watching “Secrets Of The Dead” on PBS the other night, and it
was about the Zulu warriors destroying the British the first time they
went in and fought them   They did a study on the pharmacopia that was
used to get the zulu’s ready for battle, and this is what they used:

“Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the
Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison
Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb — which was also used by
southern Africans to help mummify bodies — contains buphanidrine, an
alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to
them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to
botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in
Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to
reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, “but in a very
experienced traditional healer’s hands it should be safe. They usually
assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves.”

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom
containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly
agaric — a mushroom that can attract and kill flies — is said to
induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors
who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been
utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British
bullets. ”
Anu one know anything else about this?
love
tink

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
Date: July 17, 2005 at 8:35:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: dana@phantom.com
CC: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:16:47 +0100 (BST)


I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right now my thoughts are in that direction.

Hi Lee,

I hope you’ll consider sharing at least some of that information with the list.  A lot of people seem to be trying to find out about using iboga in a low dosage regimen – especially how to understand the risks so they can safely do it for themselves. It would be helpful to have as much data as possible in a place where someone can come along and piece it together.  The more light that’s shined on this, the better.

Thanks.

Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the media. So if you write to the email address given here: www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down as editor of Cures, Not Wars.

Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can do.

All the best to you.

Lee

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.

My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical
Date: July 17, 2005 at 7:26:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Howard.            Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical
Date: July 17, 2005 at 4:28:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/17/05 2:01:53 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com writes:

<< Howard, are the results of these tests going to be able to tell us how
long
noribogaine stays in the system, and would we be able to test for the
presence
of it? Please excuse me because I aint technical enough to be able to
assertain
my ass from the results.     >>

The answer appears to be, yes.  There are however, prior existing tests to
allow a determination for the presence of ibogaine and noribogaine.  My
technical background  is not enough to understand the paper either but, I pass along
information as I find it.

Howard

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
Date: July 17, 2005 at 4:16:47 PM EDT
To: dana@phantom.com
Cc: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dana,

Just happened to spot your email out of 700 unread emails I have from the list. Sorry to anyone who has wrote to me via the list as I simply am unable to read it right now. Unfortunately i am too busy 10 hours a day 7 days a week at the moment working in the north of spain on a beach ….. to follow the list. Finish at the end of August. So i will be getting back to reading the list then and hopefully working on my next book project which will deal exclusively with everything I have to say on eboga, healing and spirituality. I am putting off the followup book to Amazing Grace.

I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right now my thoughts are in that direction.

Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the media. So if you write to the email address given here: www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down as editor of Cures, Not Wars.

Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can do.

All the best to you.

Lee

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 1:28:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Our own troops and that of other armies have been supplied with amphetamines
and amphetamine-like drugs for decades.  So drugged troops are nothing out of
the ordinary.    Whether any validity can be given to eurocentric discussion
of african drug taking troops considering how problematic eurocentric
discussion of eurocentric drug taking is, just leaves a lot of questions.  Certainly
more than answers.  There are interesting citations from google.com for Boophane
disticha.

Howard

In a message dated 7/17/05 1:03:19 PM, VanAllK@sutterhealth.org writes:

<< While extremely fascinated by the topic of enthobotany, I have not heard
of this particular usage. I have eaten fly muscara shrooms and would have to
say that the idea of them causing fearlessness is odd. It may have been that
these warriors learned fearlessness through the use of these fungi by the way of
practice and hunting while under the shroomeric influence.  Combined with a
long acting pain killer I imagine the feeling of invincibility would be attai
nable if accompanied with the sympathetic “fight or flight” adrenaline rush. The
Chama-coco tribe in Amazonian forests were also said to combine powerful
plants while on the hunt or in battle.

The Zulu warriors may have combined the two drugs?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–

From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:41 AM

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman

Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?

I was watching “Secrets Of The Dead” on PBS the other night, and it

was about the Zulu warriors destroying the British the first time they

went in and fought them   They did a study on the pharmacopia that was

used to get the zulu’s ready for battle, and this is what they used:

“Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the

Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison

Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb — which was also used by

southern Africans to help mummify bodies — contains buphanidrine, an

alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to

them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to

botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in

Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to

reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, “but in a very

experienced traditional healer’s hands it should be safe. They usually

assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves.”

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom

containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly

agaric — a mushroom that can attract and kill flies — is said to

induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors

who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been

utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British

bullets. ”

Anu one know anything else about this?

love

tink >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 1:01:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

While extremely fascinated by the topic of enthobotany, I have not heard of this particular usage. I have eaten fly muscara shrooms and would have to say that the idea of them causing fearlessness is odd. It may have been that these warriors learned fearlessness through the use of these fungi by the way of practice and hunting while under the shroomeric influence.  Combined with a long acting pain killer I imagine the feeling of invincibility would be attainable if accompanied with the sympathetic “fight or flight” adrenaline rush. The Chama-coco tribe in Amazonian forests were also said to combine powerful plants while on the hunt or in battle.

The Zulu warriors may have combined the two drugs?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:41 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman
Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?

I was watching “Secrets Of The Dead” on PBS the other night, and it
was about the Zulu warriors destroying the British the first time they
went in and fought them   They did a study on the pharmacopia that was
used to get the zulu’s ready for battle, and this is what they used:

“Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the
Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison
Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb — which was also used by
southern Africans to help mummify bodies — contains buphanidrine, an
alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to
them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to
botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in
Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to
reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, “but in a very
experienced traditional healer’s hands it should be safe. They usually
assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves.”

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom
containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly
agaric — a mushroom that can attract and kill flies — is said to
induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors
who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been
utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British
bullets. ”
Anu one know anything else about this?
love
tink

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 17, 2005 at 12:58:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

have 2 major hurricanes divert your attention in an 8 month period.  lose your house, belongings and try to keep from getting sick.
gave me focus. ron, wishing all the peaceful path that eludes me
—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

OH YES!
I was fond of saying “recovery SUCKS” around here for some time post ibogaine especially when the nor-ibo started slipping…booster schmooster..it hurts i am bored and this ain’t what i wanted or need . my head reeled , my body twinged still, my brain scrambled….What was i thinking i wondered…
I found that the more i did the more i realized i wasn’t doing while on the Methadone…I never wanted to go out to see music except for certain bands i travel for(my passion i guess) and then all of a sudden i started seeing music here in NYC that i never would have before ..and it was FUN..
It made me wonder what i would have been doing all those years if i wasn’t strung out or handcuffed to the clinic…

now almost 8 months later I know it was right. i can travel without any thought about  medications (except the ones i want to )  I have been to more shows and have had so much fun that i never would have. Thing is i sometimes forget that i wouldn’t have been doing these things a year ago…I still marvel at the fact that i am free.
so tho now It ain’t easy and  it aint fun and getting high stills seems the easy answer …. hang tough Kieth time heals
I cannot say enough (again) how reading Patricks comments on Mindvox (and echoed in his reply earlier) about the brain taking a looong time to start firing again kept me going…until then i had only heard “Just hang in there for 3-5 weeks and it will get better”, it did but better from shit is still shit, 6 months later better from shit was better for real.
PAWS  is a bitch but it is a condition that will go away slowly but surly.
Hope this helps…I love this list …..
And hey by the way Rachel and I were out in California for a month or so just getting back last week after hanging in SF and then heading up to the High Sierra Music festival in Quincy….what a time more music than i could possibly see…morning till ,well, morning- with late night shows going till dawn and unexpected jams at all hours  between musicians at campsites on top of RV’s and so many fine amazing folks well it for sure was something i wouldn’t have been able to  do if i was still handcuffed….
Patrick wrote”If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps the message is to find something else to do.”

This rings so  very very true for me, I feel real change a coming!

Just do what you need and think long term ,using dope is the shortest lasting answer there is, it seems to me. It only puts the problems away for a lil while and then it is worse and the spiral can start so easy…

I know this rambled but this is a thread i can get my teeth into  because i so so so relate my brother…..
Also one more time i want to say out loud what a great great pleasure it was to dance with my friend and Iboangel C under the beautiful ceiling of the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco( a former brothel and now amazing music hall) while my psylocybin eyes smiled over at him  as i danced with my sweet sweet angel rachelicious who i will always be indebted to, for with out her those moments you are experiencing now would have been unbearable . She is my true Iboangel along with those others we all might know of.

Freaking Free and Freely
jeff

On 7/13/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

any suggestions?

-Keith

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] cia admits working with drug traffickers (July 17, 1998)
Date: July 17, 2005 at 12:43:20 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

July 17th, 1998 — The NY Times report reveals the CIA worked hand-in-hand with drug traffickers. Proves that old news travels fast.
For more details, SEE:
CIA Admits Ties to Contra Drug Dealers
Floor Remarks of Rep. Maxine Waters – July 17, 1998
http://www.house.gov/waters/71798pr.htm

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Does any one know anything about the Bushman Poisonous Bulb or Muscimol?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 12:40:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was watching “Secrets Of The Dead” on PBS the other night, and it
was about the Zulu warriors destroying the British the first time they
went in and fought them   They did a study on the pharmacopia that was
used to get the zulu’s ready for battle, and this is what they used:

“Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the
Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison
Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb — which was also used by
southern Africans to help mummify bodies — contains buphanidrine, an
alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to
them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to
botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in
Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to
reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, “but in a very
experienced traditional healer’s hands it should be safe. They usually
assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves.”

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom
containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly
agaric — a mushroom that can attract and kill flies — is said to
induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors
who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been
utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British
bullets. ”
Anu one know anything else about this?
love
tink

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical
Date: July 17, 2005 at 12:11:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard, are the results of these tests going to be able to tell us how long noribogaine stays in the system, and would we be able to test for the presence of it? Please excuse me because I aint tetnal enough to be able to assertain my ass from the results.       Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] taub and TOMMY
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:13:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i had a wonderful experience w/n affilliate named TOMMY  in central Fl.
ET put me on to him.  while ET w/n involved in the session, he provided a support system that led me to a very knowledgable MD that is helping me off benzos.  my provider ,
TOMMY , was a sober, interested, caring dude that I would trust my life with again. I failed in part b/c I d/n realize the recovery time needed for a 55 yr. old body.I went to a doc in the box for key tests and bloodwork and TOMMY and ET stayed in contact w/ medical professionals thruout the session.  I was never left alone.  I was thrown back into the fire at work and c/n take it.  Now doing small dosesof bup and benzo use going down w/ a gentle protocol. TOMMY, if you get this, call, please or email off list. Ron

—– Original Message —–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Could we clarify this?  “IBeginagain” is doing cheaper session the Ibo Assoc in Mex?

Shelly, Martin Polanco & Ana are from Ibo Assoc. (And I agree…they’re great!)

How does the price of the Mex Ibeginagain clinic compare with Mex Ibo Assoc.?

In a message dated 07/08/2005 3:31:21 AM Central Daylight Time, ibogaine-digest-help@mindvox.com writes:
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey again ,I hear that eric taub organization is doing sessions in mexico with medical assist for alot less than ib assoc,you know ,the ‘ibeginagain ‘ ibogaine site,they rule!!good luck-shell

shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I detoxed twice there with them, they are very caring, it is run very well and pretty convienent considering its in mexico. I went before their price went up so much,when randy hencken was there, I dont know the new docs but martin polanco & ana were the best!!!
best wishes for you!-shell
“VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 16, 2005 at 10:15:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical
Date: July 16, 2005 at 9:46:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OF COURSE!! That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking
;o)
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 1:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical

J Chromatogr B Analyt Technol Biomed Life Sci. 2005 Jul 4;

Quantitation of ibogaine and 12-hydroxyibogamine in human plasma by liquid
chromatography with fluorimetric detection.

Kontrimaviciute V, Larroque M, Briedis V, Margout D, Bressolle F
.
Laboratoire de Pharmacocinetique Clinique, Faculte de Pharmacie, Universite
Montpellier I, B.P. 14491, 34093 Montpellier Cedex 5, France; Analytical
Chemistry Laboratory, Faculty of Pharmacy, University Montpellier I, France;

Department of Analytical and Toxicological Chemistry, Kaunas University of
Medicine,
Faculty of Pharmacy, Kaunas, Lituania.

A high-performance liquid chromatographic (HPLC) method with fluorimetric
detection was developed for the simultaneous determination of ibogaine and
noribogaine in human plasma using fluorescein as internal standard. This
method
involved a solid phase extraction of the compounds from plasma using
N-vinylpyrrolidone-divinybenzene copolymer cartridges. Separation of the
three analytes was
performed on a reversed-phase Supelcosil C18 analytical column (75mmx4.6mm
i.d., 3mum particle size). The excitation wavelength was set at 230nm for
the
first 15.8min and then at 440nm for the following 14.2min; the emission
wavelength was set at 336nm for the first 15.8min and then at 514nm for the
following
14.2min. Obtained from the method validation, inter-assay precision was
6.0-12.5% and accuracy was 95.4-104%. The extraction efficiencies of the
assay were
higher than 94% and were constant across the calibration range. The lower
limits of quantitation were 0.89ng/ml for ibogaine and 1ng/ml for
noribogaine; at
these levels, precision was </=17% and accuracy was 95-105%. In this paper,
extensive stability testing was undertaken using a wide range of storage
conditions. Special attention must be paid to sample handling to avoid light

degradation of the compounds.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] new ibogaine paper – technical
Date: July 16, 2005 at 9:21:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

J Chromatogr B Analyt Technol Biomed Life Sci. 2005 Jul 4;

Quantitation of ibogaine and 12-hydroxyibogamine in human plasma by liquid
chromatography with fluorimetric detection.

Kontrimaviciute V, Larroque M, Briedis V, Margout D, Bressolle F
.
Laboratoire de Pharmacocinetique Clinique, Faculte de Pharmacie, Universite
Montpellier I, B.P. 14491, 34093 Montpellier Cedex 5, France; Analytical
Chemistry Laboratory, Faculty of Pharmacy, University Montpellier I, France;
Department of Analytical and Toxicological Chemistry, Kaunas University of Medicine,
Faculty of Pharmacy, Kaunas, Lituania.

A high-performance liquid chromatographic (HPLC) method with fluorimetric
detection was developed for the simultaneous determination of ibogaine and
noribogaine in human plasma using fluorescein as internal standard. This method
involved a solid phase extraction of the compounds from plasma using
N-vinylpyrrolidone-divinybenzene copolymer cartridges. Separation of the three analytes was
performed on a reversed-phase Supelcosil C18 analytical column (75mmx4.6mm
i.d., 3mum particle size). The excitation wavelength was set at 230nm for the
first 15.8min and then at 440nm for the following 14.2min; the emission
wavelength was set at 336nm for the first 15.8min and then at 514nm for the following
14.2min. Obtained from the method validation, inter-assay precision was
6.0-12.5% and accuracy was 95.4-104%. The extraction efficiencies of the assay were
higher than 94% and were constant across the calibration range. The lower
limits of quantitation were 0.89ng/ml for ibogaine and 1ng/ml for noribogaine; at
these levels, precision was </=17% and accuracy was 95-105%. In this paper,
extensive stability testing was undertaken using a wide range of storage
conditions. Special attention must be paid to sample handling to avoid light
degradation of the compounds.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] book availability
Date: July 16, 2005 at 8:55:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve looked at google there are papers listing exactly that ‘ibogaine
potentates morphine analgesia’ it’s even in Dana Beal’s book though
impossible to find,

Impossible to find in the book, or impossible to find the book anywhere?

The book is on-line, though incomplete as far as footnotes, illustrations and appendices are concerned, at http://www.cures-not-wars.org/ibogaine/iboga.html . You ought to be able to search it for CIBA refs. I’m pretty sure it has to be in chapter 2 or chapter 5.

As for copies in print, I’ve got a whole work table sitting on the remains of a skid of them. They’re $20 plus postage at Cures not Wars, 9 Bleecker, NYC 10012, my attention. It’s still the best intro for the general reader, and the best social/political/scientific history (up to 1997). Ken’s book (w. Stan Glick, Academic Press, Proceedings of the First International Ibogaine Conference) has more up-to-date science. Marko’s book is in Slovenian. I haven’t read AMAZING GRACE, but I don’t think it’s a science history. (I’d like to read it Lee, if you could send me one.) Patrick’s book isn’t out yet. (I’m trying to get him to do a thumbnail of a screenplay to sell to Robert Greenwald, who did Steal This Movie, when I meet with Danny Goldberg. Kinda like the Zippie drug chemists develop ibogaine to save the YIPL/TAP/Legion of Doom kids who’ve gotten  themselves strung out during the Dot.com bubble….)

Dana/cnw

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 8:47:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.  What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCV+ and ibogaine
Date: July 16, 2005 at 8:33:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Depends on your bloodwork.. If your liver functions look close to normal (there are parameters) most providers will treat you. I haven’t seen anyone turned down because of Hep C personally, but it has happened on occasion. Very rarely.           Randy

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 3:34:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 2:12:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to detox
will kill you.

I don’t think anyone offering ibogaine treatment would ever do this, I
also don’t think it makes the slightest difference legally in the
united states if a treatment provider is giving a “patient” ibogaine,
heroin or pure poison, because in the eyes of our great level system,
they’re all the same, drug dealers selling schedule 1 drugs. Except
for maybe the poison, that’s probably legal.

I am struck with the question does anyone read or only see what they
want and sensatenilize it. The article Patrick published in MAPS that
lists the actual dose levels and itemizes all the information on how
to do it, starts with that huge warning and then is talking about
doing doses of ibogaine at 25 to 50 mg total. It isn’t talking about
detoxing anyone with ibogaine.

KV

On 7/16/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi all,

From what I know from providers, use of dope,, for instance during an
ibogaine treatment has been known to cause death.  A good provider will
actually seize any dope and flush it down the toilet in order to protect the
client.  The loss of tolerance is likely a huge factor in this. Overdose
potential suddenly is increased exponentially (opiate overdose).

The CIA was needed to discover this effect.  A couple of dead bodies in
various parts of the globe was enough.  Of course the nature of addiction
makes this extra risky, in my opinion.
“Self prescribers” come to think of themselves as experts on all drugs.
“What do these ibogaine guys know?  A little dope can’t hurt during the
dosing, and besides, I might need it around if I get sick.”  The danger is
clear.  In sane societies where ibogaine is legal, I guess a waver statement
could be signed to the effect that if I die during treatment from opiate
overdose, I was warned of this danger and did it anyway.  In the US, I don’t
think such a waver could stand up.

Cheery stuff for the weekend. Ibo poppy death. What’s next?

Pax,
Sean

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From: Deniz Yavuz <serdeniz@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] HCV+ and ibogaine
Date: July 16, 2005 at 1:18:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

what to do if you got HCV+ and want to take ibogaine? are there any
known problems?

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 1:16:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

From what I know from providers, use of dope,, for instance during an ibogaine treatment has been known to cause death.  A good provider will actually seize any dope and flush it down the toilet in order to protect the client.  The loss of tolerance is likely a huge factor in this. Overdose potential suddenly is increased exponentially (opiate overdose).

The CIA was needed to discover this effect.  A couple of dead bodies in various parts of the globe was enough.  Of course the nature of addiction makes this extra risky, in my opinion.
“Self prescribers” come to think of themselves as experts on all drugs. “What do these ibogaine guys know?  A little dope can’t hurt during the dosing, and besides, I might need it around if I get sick.”  The danger is clear.  In sane societies where ibogaine is legal, I guess a waver statement could be signed to the effect that if I die during treatment from opiate overdose, I was warned of this danger and did it anyway.  In the US, I don’t think such a waver could stand up.

Cheery stuff for the weekend. Ibo poppy death. What’s next?

Pax,
Sean

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] FWD Hill tribes displaced along with opium
Date: July 16, 2005 at 10:49:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lao tribes suffer from drug crackdown
By Tom Fawthrop
In Vientiane

The opium poppy that has long bloomed across the mountains of northern
Laos has almost been wiped out by the government’s drastic eradication
campaign.

But what is being hailed as a victory by the international
anti-narcotics agencies has also spawned a humanitarian crisis, due to
the massive displacement of hill tribes and their loss of economic
livelihood.

The campaign was spearheaded by the US government, with support from the
European Union.

Such was its success that the authorities in Laos claim the country has
achieved its 2005 deadline to become an opium-free country. The UNODC
(the UN Office for Drugs and Crime) has confirmed that Laos had achieved
a poppy reduction of 73% since 2000.

But unlike the major opium producers such as Afghanistan and Burma, Laos
was only ever a marginal player in the international drugs trade.

And in order to eradicate production, an estimated 65,000 hill tribe
people have been displaced from the mountains of northern Laos where the
opium poppy thrives.

A survey by UN development consultant Charles Alton found that “hill
tribe people moving to new villages not only lack sufficient rice, but
they face fresh diseases – malaria, gastro-intestinal problems and
parasites”.

Many are said to be dying of malaria and dysentery, and mortality rates
as high as 4% have been recorded – rates normally found only in war
zones and areas of refugee resettlement.

Change in approach

In the past, the Lao authorities tolerated opium poppy cultivation among
the hill tribes, which make up more than 45% of the population.

Vientiane’s liberal policy was spelt out in a 1999 memorandum entitled
“A Balanced Approach to Opium Elimination in Laos.”

Back then the government argued that poppy cultivation could not be
eradicated until alternative crops and economic development were already
in place.

However the US government and narcotics agencies escalated the pressure
in 2000.

In the words of one NGO leader, who prefers to remain anonymous, “they
pushed for opium elimination before economic development was in place,
so they put the cart before the horse”.

The dangling of a $80m carrot in aid, promised by the UN drugs control
agency, led to a capitulation. In 2001 the Lao authorities plunged
headlong into a hardline Western agenda of all-out war on the opium
poppy.

Western embassies concede that their anti-drug policy may have been
over-zealously implemented.

Sandro Serrato, the EU’s chief of mission in Vientiane, admitted that
“the implementation of opium eradication has probably been too rapid and
[has] lacked resources”.

But he also sympathised with the government’s resettlement strategy,
arguing: “There is such a scattered population, the government feels
that only by bringing people down from the remote areas can they provide
social services and development.”

The EU is in favour of offering financial aid for future resettlement,
as long as the government respects three points: there should be
consultation, economic alternatives and the relocation must be
voluntary.

But the monitoring of government compliance with any of these criteria
is regarded as highly problematic, given the authoritarian nature of
this one-party state.

Critics question both the sustainability and objectives of a policy that
appears to have inflicted more harm than good.

“Resettlement has caused the disruption of the hill tribes’ way of
life,” one highly respected Lao academic, who wished to remain
anonymous, explained. “Opium has many uses – as a major cash crop, for
medicine and in traditional ceremonies and festive events.”

Now, he warned, “it is the lack of opium that is far more dangerous”.

Lack of alternatives

The inhabitants of Laos – both lowland and hill tribe people – have
recently become victims of “ya ba” (amphetamines) and heroin flowing
across the country from laboratories in neighbouring Burma.

The apparent success in wiping out opium has only contributed to far
worse drug, social and economic problems, according to anthropologist
David Feingold.

He warned that “likely long-term consequences will be increasing heroin
and amphetamine use, [and] greater vulnerability of highland girls and
women to trafficking and unsafe migration. Both of these outcomes will
contribute to exacerbating HIV/Aids”.

Lao specialist Bruce Shoemaker also pointed out that opium produced a
high value crop using a very small amount of land.

The average opium farmer could earn about $200 a year, and Mr Shoemaker
said that “no one alternative crop can come even close to matching this
– it is just not sustainable”.

A growing number of development specialists support an entirely
different approach. Instead of destroying the poppies, the Lao acaemic
advocated “a legal opium quota under strict international supervision,
to be sold to pharmaceutical companies”.

“If the farmers of Tasmania get benefit from opium, why not our poor
farmers too?” he argued.

Although no feasibility study has ever been done, the UNODC chief in
Vientiane, Klaus Nyholm, instantly rejected any prospect of Laos joining
the club of legal opium producers – which includes Australia, India, and
Turkey.

Whether opium is grown under legal control or illegally, many aid
workers are convinced that only by ignoring human rights can they stop
poor farmers from growing such a lucrative crop.

William Dangers from Church World Service development agency in Laos
said these farmers would ” always go back to opium unless the government
uses repression to stop them”.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4673109.stm

Published: 2005/07/15 14:02:21 GMT

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibo & opiates? Negative thoughts? Better protocols? Oh my!
Date: July 16, 2005 at 7:48:05 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Would Padora be the sister of Pandora attall attall attall? Or are there
more boxes to open than I previously tort?
To be sure (or to be sean?)
Anything but being Vector!! ;o) Hehheh (that’s a compliment boiye dah way..)
Luff heaps
And also open to being a hamster
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2005 10:50 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo & opiates? Negative thoughts? Better protocols?
Oh my!

I’d love to help with the research Dr. Tom 🙂

Darth vader on acid opens padora’s box 🙂 way to go patrick 🙂

.:vector:.

— tomo7@starband.net wrote:

Careful Vector, you are disclosing the Hunter Thompson protocols and
you
do remember what the company made you sign about such vital national
security issues, right?  They are hell on contracts, you know.

And at least get the sequence right,…in between the onion peeling
and
the joint lighting, there was the ever vital 3 bite Mars bar snarf
with
the 32 ounce Dr. Pepper slurpie for the rinsing actions of phosphoric
and
carbolic acids that so neatly strip calcium ions away from one’s
neural
membranes.  The blood sugar rocket ship ride helped toss insulin
shock
into the experimental data. Dr. Thompson also treasured the
protective
addiction of nicotine for keeping all neurotransmitter levels in the
brain
totally dazzled by whatever “normal life” whistled in through the 5
or 6
senses during every treatment.

Yes, and like many psychiatric professionals, I have been
disappointed
that so few of our patients are reaching inner peace and tranquility
from
these most excellent drugs! Perhaps repositioning the
anti-depressives
into the post ibo glo phase, and shifting the joint from Sativa
strains to
Indica, maybe Hindu Kush, would get everyone back into the hamster
wheel
and more pleasant much faster!

I want in on the research grant,at least, if you all go for that!

Dr. Tom

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:10 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So
CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing,
the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all
is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

I’ve looked at google there are papers listing exactly that ‘ibogaine
potentates morphine analgesia’ it’s even in Dana Beal’s book though
impossible to find, what I don’t understand is why didn’t anyone do
the
‘anecdotal science’ on it before Patrick? There are zillions of
papers
about ibogaine everything, farting while on ibogaine, throwing up,
ibogaine everything. Nobody ever mentioned bythe way it does
something
else, this is how to use it, these are the doses.

Weird stuff to overlook for 50 years. Nobody bothered to use the
patent,
nobody did anything. Will the CIA arrive now or are they busy
injecting
government morphine and ibogaine shots 😉

Watch out Ekki the CIA will deport you for dancing on ibogaine! 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo & opiates? Negative thoughts? Better protocols? Oh my!
Date: July 16, 2005 at 6:49:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’d love to help with the research Dr. Tom 🙂

Darth vader on acid opens padora’s box 🙂 way to go patrick 🙂

.:vector:.

— tomo7@starband.net wrote:

Careful Vector, you are disclosing the Hunter Thompson protocols and
you
do remember what the company made you sign about such vital national
security issues, right?  They are hell on contracts, you know.

And at least get the sequence right,…in between the onion peeling
and
the joint lighting, there was the ever vital 3 bite Mars bar snarf
with
the 32 ounce Dr. Pepper slurpie for the rinsing actions of phosphoric
and
carbolic acids that so neatly strip calcium ions away from one’s
neural
membranes.  The blood sugar rocket ship ride helped toss insulin
shock
into the experimental data. Dr. Thompson also treasured the
protective
addiction of nicotine for keeping all neurotransmitter levels in the
brain
totally dazzled by whatever “normal life” whistled in through the 5
or 6
senses during every treatment.

Yes, and like many psychiatric professionals, I have been
disappointed
that so few of our patients are reaching inner peace and tranquility
from
these most excellent drugs! Perhaps repositioning the
anti-depressives
into the post ibo glo phase, and shifting the joint from Sativa
strains to
Indica, maybe Hindu Kush, would get everyone back into the hamster
wheel
and more pleasant much faster!

I want in on the research grant,at least, if you all go for that!

Dr. Tom

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:10 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So
CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing,
the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all
is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

I’ve looked at google there are papers listing exactly that ‘ibogaine
potentates morphine analgesia’ it’s even in Dana Beal’s book though
impossible to find, what I don’t understand is why didn’t anyone do
the
‘anecdotal science’ on it before Patrick? There are zillions of
papers
about ibogaine everything, farting while on ibogaine, throwing up,
ibogaine everything. Nobody ever mentioned bythe way it does
something
else, this is how to use it, these are the doses.

Weird stuff to overlook for 50 years. Nobody bothered to use the
patent,
nobody did anything. Will the CIA arrive now or are they busy
injecting
government morphine and ibogaine shots 😉

Watch out Ekki the CIA will deport you for dancing on ibogaine! 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?One more thought
Date: July 16, 2005 at 6:24:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If used together like that in for instance in a trauma type situation, wouldn’t it lower the risk of respiratory distress ie., in other words high doses of say, morphine, lowers your respiratory rate to dangerous levels sometimes. Would this combo have a positive effect on this? Just wondering        Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 5:30:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve been watching this subject of Ibogaine and opiate use get bantered around for a few days now and I thought I might say something. I’m sure someone will take offense, but what the fuck. Grab the zip line and scream loud on the way down if you don’t like it. “What we have here is a failure to communicate’,”wait a minute wrong subject, let me start again. I think what is happening is Patrick and others are ballsy enough and truly care enough to put out some info that might help someone. Who here that has done Ibogaine and been a junkie hasn’t wondered about this very topic. Hell, I thought of it before I did the Ibogaine. If Ibogaine lowers your tolerance and it does, why wouldn’t a government agency for instance  the military, not look into using them together for battle field effectivness? Might save a life or two. I hate war, but I hate suffering more. The data is probaly there as to how much to use they just don’t want the public at large to have it. We aint rite enuff to use it wizzly. Everyone I know goes with the caution when it comes to addiction interruption. This is totlaly different.         Love and small doses     Randy

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 16, 2005 at 4:09:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick’s article at <http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame> says, “Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and opioids.” – are there other known or suspected risks of using them together?

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 16, 2005 at 2:56:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is this stufff in the states?
—– Original Message —–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

I boil 50grams at a time.  Yep, it is a pot full, that’s for sure.  After boiling it twice, I re-boil the solution to reduce/concentrate the amount left.

I’ve gotten the Leaf’s (used that for the tea) and have gotten the powder in pill form.  Today I used about 10 grams of pills.  It definitely didn’t have the same effect of 30 grams of tea.  But it did take the sniffles and sneezing away.  I thought ingesting the total powder, that it would be stronger.  Maybe I’ll try 20mg pills tomorrow.

I have some “super Kratom” coming.  Supposedly twice as strong.  I believe it was in powdered form.  I have read that you take the powder and just mix it with OJ or something.  Maybe coffee would help extract the good part of the powder before drinking.  I dunno.. any comments on how to use Powder?

The extract sounds like its a lot easier.  Not sure how it measures up price wise.

Bottom line, it sure helps my mornings.

I actually had 2nd thoughts about posting my good results.  Since “The Man” is always watching,  it will only be a matter of time when they cut this supply off, so the pharmacies can resell it to you at 1000% increase in price!

In a message dated 07/12/2005 11:33:44 AM Central Daylight Time, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
i recently got a 10g sample of kratom resin extract. black and sticky.
dissolved in hot water and with lots of honey it still tasted terrible.
gave a nice effect but very mild lasting about 5 hours.

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 15, 2005 at 10:32:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes Captain, Many of my action were not logical,

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 10:31:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/15/2005 4:40:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:
Patrick hacked into CIBAs secret files, stole them and starting doing
his own research. Howard says using ibogaine and heroin is a great
idea. Jeffrey Kamlet can’t publish medical information that could save
lives because Dr. Mash owns everything.

Dana Beale declares that medical marijuana is a front to legalize weed, therefore denouncing the movement. Further, he astonishes everyone by revealing that Dick was wrong; early Christians did not, repeat did not interfere with the Nixon presidency. Next year Beale will lead the lead the Million Republican March for the drug war.

S

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 15, 2005 at 10:04:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Rebels without a clue??
……………….tell me not to do something and I’ll go right out and do it anyway…..rebelliousness to the point of idiocy….. my mother stopped telling me how nice my hair looked cos as soon as that came out of her mouth the clippers, bleach and psychedelic hair dyes would come out.
Didn’t even get any “drugs are bad” speeches when I was younger….. mainly cos they had no idea about anything beyond alcohol and marijuana (I was so cute at 5 yrs old when I’d sneak my dad’s beer….they used to laugh, oh how they laughed… hahahahahahahaha)
My how things haven’t changed… enough.
Kirk

From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2005 1:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Hi Preston.

This would most likely get me labled sociopathis in a pych evaluation like the MMPI, but the I never really cared much what the world thought about drug use. Hell, I would have to go in the closet if I cared what the wourld thought about my being gay.  I was raised in a family where you could drink like a fish and that was OK, you were a real man. But use drugs? Nothing but junkie scum. I think that opinion of drug use was always back there my haed somewhere.  Come to think of it that thought did not pop into my had much as a stuck a needle in my arm. Neither did the drugs are bad question.

I stopped really when it became a question of how long did I want to live. I would go out for dope and forget my HIV meds. I am now on my third cocktail. Options are fewer there. And I got tired of junkies I have to admit. And it was at the point that my best freiends were junies.
Further, I had lost twenty five pounds, vomited most meals, and spent all of all of my time not working chasing junk. As for work, there were more and more morings where I felt too sick to go to work.

I started to want to stuff..alot of stuff. Movies, dinner (w/o puke), political action, but all I seemed to be doing was go get my bags, do them, and nod.  Now and then I would smoke coke but nothing like my crackhaed days. But at least it broke up the monotany.

So fianlly I said, after forgetting my HIV meds again, that enough was enough. I had been working quite a while in therepy to get to this point as well. The empiricl rightness of wrongness of drugs never entered my head.

A lot of words to say this. The little bit I know from your work and our brief real world encounters. You (in my opinion) will not stop using cause the world says,”that ain’t right.”
Like me, you won’t be told what to do.

Cheers!
Sean

From: <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibo & opiates? Negative thoughts? Better protocols? Oh my!
Date: July 15, 2005 at 9:59:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Careful Vector, you are disclosing the Hunter Thompson protocols and you
do remember what the company made you sign about such vital national
security issues, right?  They are hell on contracts, you know.

And at least get the sequence right,…in between the onion peeling and
the joint lighting, there was the ever vital 3 bite Mars bar snarf with
the 32 ounce Dr. Pepper slurpie for the rinsing actions of phosphoric and
carbolic acids that so neatly strip calcium ions away from one’s neural
membranes.  The blood sugar rocket ship ride helped toss insulin shock
into the experimental data. Dr. Thompson also treasured the protective
addiction of nicotine for keeping all neurotransmitter levels in the brain
totally dazzled by whatever “normal life” whistled in through the 5 or 6
senses during every treatment.

Yes, and like many psychiatric professionals, I have been disappointed
that so few of our patients are reaching inner peace and tranquility from
these most excellent drugs! Perhaps repositioning the anti-depressives
into the post ibo glo phase, and shifting the joint from Sativa strains to
Indica, maybe Hindu Kush, would get everyone back into the hamster wheel
and more pleasant much faster!

I want in on the research grant,at least, if you all go for that!

Dr. Tom

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:10 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing, the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

I’ve looked at google there are papers listing exactly that ‘ibogaine
potentates morphine analgesia’ it’s even in Dana Beal’s book though
impossible to find, what I don’t understand is why didn’t anyone do the
‘anecdotal science’ on it before Patrick? There are zillions of papers
about ibogaine everything, farting while on ibogaine, throwing up,
ibogaine everything. Nobody ever mentioned bythe way it does something
else, this is how to use it, these are the doses.

Weird stuff to overlook for 50 years. Nobody bothered to use the patent,
nobody did anything. Will the CIA arrive now or are they busy injecting
government morphine and ibogaine shots 😉

Watch out Ekki the CIA will deport you for dancing on ibogaine! 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 15, 2005 at 9:41:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston.

This would most likely get me labled sociopathis in a pych evaluation like the MMPI, but the I never really cared much what the world thought about drug use. Hell, I would have to go in the closet if I cared what the wourld thought about my being gay.  I was raised in a family where you could drink like a fish and that was OK, you were a real man. But use drugs? Nothing but junkie scum. I think that opinion of drug use was always back there my haed somewhere.  Come to think of it that thought did not pop into my had much as a stuck a needle in my arm. Neither did the drugs are bad question.

I stopped really when it became a question of how long did I want to live. I would go out for dope and forget my HIV meds. I am now on my third cocktail. Options are fewer there. And I got tired of junkies I have to admit. And it was at the point that my best freiends were junies.
Further, I had lost twenty five pounds, vomited most meals, and spent all of all of my time not working chasing junk. As for work, there were more and more morings where I felt too sick to go to work.

I started to want to stuff..alot of stuff. Movies, dinner (w/o puke), political action, but all I seemed to be doing was go get my bags, do them, and nod.  Now and then I would smoke coke but nothing like my crackhaed days. But at least it broke up the monotany.

So fianlly I said, after forgetting my HIV meds again, that enough was enough. I had been working quite a while in therepy to get to this point as well. The empiricl rightness of wrongness of drugs never entered my head.

A lot of words to say this. The little bit I know from your work and our brief real world encounters. You (in my opinion) will not stop using cause the world says,”that ain’t right.”
Like me, you won’t be told what to do.

Cheers!
Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 7:55:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ahh Vector, your posts plus a cuppa coffee and a cigarette and my day is
pretty much complete ;o)
Cheers mate!
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 8:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

The conspiracy thickens.

Patrick hacked into CIBAs secret files, stole them and starting doing
his own research. Howard says using ibogaine and heroin is a great
idea. Jeffrey Kamlet can’t publish medical information that could save
lives because Dr. Mash owns everything.

This list has always been much better then watching TV 🙂

Vivienne you’re some Wicca witch who is getting hysterical and Rick
can’t read. That’s what the messages say. Derrrr. Did either one of you
read them or only look for what you wanted to hear.

In case both of you are that dense, doing shooting heroin and doing
ibogaine will kill you, think everyone agrees on that.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

“WARNING: the following category should be considered highly
experimental. There
is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following
examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely
significant and
quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of
opiates and
opioids.”

My cut and paste is broken, but I don’t have any trouble reading that
paragraph and understanding what it says. If you do, how’d you manage
to subscribe to MindVox?

‘it’s in big bold red letters!’ clue?

Back to bong, Halo and Aphex Twin 🙂

.:vector:.

— Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic.
Everything I
have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be
at the
stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work
done by CIBA
and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of
the lost
papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw
them, or
almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ironman
Date: July 15, 2005 at 2:13:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a short article about a junky who became a world-class triathlete and who was featured in every talkshow on german tv:

http://www.winningmag.com/news/stories/959842800.shtml

-ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:48:09 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and just to make clear, while I wrote what I wrote earlier, I prefer to listen to folk like Howard here and play it safe, refraining that “required” 12 hours prior to a session of any kind at least to this point and plan on doing so if ever the chance arises again.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Dear Vivienne,

There are a number of different issues that I had to address when I involved
myself in the possibility of developing ibogaine as a regulated medication to
treat chemical dependence.  The primary issues were safety and efficacy of
ibogaine in treating chemical dependence.  Drug development is time consuming and
expensive and FDA approval is narrow.  In other words you have to tell the
FDA exactly what the drug is going to be used for and how and then demonstrate
that it is safe at given doses and that it is effective.  The patents that I
filed in order to obtain financing for development concerned the use of doses of
ibogaine between 6 and 25 mg/kg.  What Schneider demonstrated in his studies
were a significant increase in toxicity when ibogaine and morphine were
combined.  This research used doses between 50 and 500 mg/kg of ibogaine and
morphine.  It is not uncommon to use higher doses in animal model studies than in
human studies to obtain effects.  Additionally, you cannot perform Lethal Dose
studies on human subjects.  Schneider also evaluated doses of morphine at 3
mg/kg combined with ibogaine at 6 mg/kg and 24 mg/kg that demonstrated significant
increased analgesia and longer lasting analgesia than from morphine alone.
To make it very simple our working group did not want freelance ibogaine
self-administrators taking ibogaine and opiates and increasing their risk in any way
so we provided information on the risk rather than instructions on how to go
about taking ibogaine and opiates together.

There is a very interesting paper by Vincent Sullivan et al., Detection and
Identification of Ibogaine and Heroin, in the journal of Criminal Law,
Criminology and Police Science, vol. 58, No. 2, 277-278, 1967, that concern itself
with the seizure of a heroin supply cut with ibogaine.  There are no further
reports of ibogaine/heroin mixes and I anticipate that after a few shots, the
ibogaine effect kicked in and some of the heroin dealer’s customers stopped being
good customers.  Just an interesting sidenote.

As my ability to direct ibogaine research diminished, it was returned more
and more to lay experimenters as the medical community is very conservative and
Mash et al. had reasonable safety and ethical concern of experimenting with
the st. kitts patients.  After all it was experimentation but, hopefully not
something out of a horror movie:  The weird island of so and so.

Patrick published very useful information in his article on low dose
maintenance but, it requires skillful and knowledgeable drug users, which many, off of
this list are not.  And I cannot guarantee the skill of anyone on this list
either.  By the way Ciba’s work was published.  Bogadin was Ciba’s tradename
for ibogaine.

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4.

It took 45 years to revisit this work because there was no interest in it
until it became interesting to drug users and drug using pain patients, where
Patrick today and myself twenty-five years ago decided certain ibogaine
information was important and published.  As for your friend going off and telling
people to take ibogaine and heroin there is nothing to stop him and I anticipate
there will be some adventurous types who may have access to both ibogaine and
heroin and listen.  My guess is that if they survive, that there use heroin
will not continue as previously, as the effects of ibogaine in controlled low
doses in combination with opiates is not generally what the thrill seeking heroin
using public is looking for.  That does not mean that there may not be some
fatalities along the way.  Same with all drugs.  Caveat emptor.

Howard

In a message dated 7/15/05 4:26:10 AM, vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au writes:

<<

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic. Everything I

have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be at the

stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work done by CIBA

and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of the lost

papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw them, or

almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

Then Patrick write and I quote

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame

“Dirty” Maintenance

For some, abstinence from narcotic analgesics is not a reality-based goal.
Many

chronic pain patients are really not going to cast off their crutches, light
up

some medical marijuana and dance in the meadow, after ibogaine. In addition to

chronic-pain patients, there are many people who are using narcotic analgesics

to self-medicate a variety of comorbid conditions. In some cases a
“successful”

detox from opiates means that somebody can look forward to a lifetime’s worth

of maintenance on neuroleptics.

Given the choice between opiates and neuroleptics, there is no simple answer,

but the side-effects of current anti-psychotic medications can be devastating.

When you compare the quality of someone’s life when they are controlling

schizophrenia, for example, through the use of opiates (which tend to have

extremely mild side effects) vs. the qualify of life attained using sanctioned

medicines (usually neuroleptics, with Cogentin to alleviate some of the

side-effects anti-psychotics produce), it is entirely possible, even probable,

that the person is happier with the opiates.

Ibogaine is remarkably effective in addressing one of the primary problems in

any sort of opiate or opioid maintenance: tolerance. Over time, individuals

find they must do extremely high doses of their medications in order to
achieve

any effect whatsoever.

WARNING: the following category should be considered highly experimental.
There

is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following

examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely significant and

quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and

opioids.”

End of quoting Patrick, the paragraph above is bigger then every other font in

the article, bold faced and in red, I get the idea he wanted everyone to read

it.

So then off he goes and lists exact figures, details and numbers.

Low doses and boosters have been mentioned here many times, but what I have

never seen anywhere is anyone saying that you can take ibogaine and opiates at

the same time. Then Patrick wrote a whole article about it and you just agreed

with him and the both of you are referencing work at CIBA, where the results

were never published.

If all this is such a bloody great idea and you first did ibogaine in 1962,
why

did it take 45 years for someone to write it up and what it does on humans?

Patrick, Howard, you’ve lost me. Howard my understanding was that at least one

of the deaths that Dr. Mash accused you of killing someone with ibogaine by

over dosing them, is where you published that she died exactly because she
took

opiates while on ibogaine?

I’ve become lost in this. Please don’t list off a list of references and

medical articles, what this person I’m replying to wrote is scaring me because

off he’ll go and tell everyone to take heroin and ibogaine at the same time
for

a bigger thrill and someone will listen to him!

Blessed be

Vivienne Elanta

— Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.

There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking

ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow

inherently dangerous.  The patent seems to debunk that idea – please

correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

> From: HSLotsof@aol.com

> Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

>

> Hi Krista,

>

> I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very

> interesting

> and important information on dose and safety issues.  My

> presentation that

> can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/

> ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt

> includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

>

> Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was

> all eyes

> and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But,

> Jeff is the

> first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are

> differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and

> not the

> discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important

> information and I and

> many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it

> is unclear

> if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in

> place that

> prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen

> the agreements

> so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet

> has

> recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide

> information

> beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

>

> The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine

> were

> published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the

> 1950s along

> with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read

> Hunter Thompson’s

> article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking

> ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the

> descriptions

> Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and

> applied them to

> Muskie.

>

> SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links

> Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with

> central-stimulant properties.

> Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.

> PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

>

> SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.

> Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.

> Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract

> available.

> PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

>

> MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.

> Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.

> Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.

> PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

>

> Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate

> morphine

> alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it

> comes

> through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free

> pdfs of patents,

> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

>

> Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in

> response to

> your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of

> ibogaine and drug

> interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse

> potential,

> morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

>

> Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and

> psychiatric drugs

> generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all

> of the

> original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses

> and low doses

> were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the

> information was

> transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research

> community

> describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the

> drug users to fend

> for themselves.

>

> Howard

>

> In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com

> writes:

>

> >Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very

> >excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and

> opiates

> >at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave

> >exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and

> >when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought

> all

> >of this was great.

> >

>

> >Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really

> >knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as

> >ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why

> this

> >isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it

> >really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell

> >people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad

> >happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really

> means

> >there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on

> >Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and

> are

> >alive and well.

> >KV

>

> >On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

> >> Dear Krista,

>

> >> I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the

> Manual for

> >> ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

>

> >> The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as

> known as one

> >> might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation

> there is

> >no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being

> those persons

> with

> >>the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards

> the

> general

> >>safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those

> persons who

> may be

> >> entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with

> ibogaine who

> >> are concurrently on other medications have the least medical

> background

> >and no real ability to report data though they can provide important

> anecdotal

> >> observations.

> >

> >>

> >

> >> While there is elementary information on low and medium dose

> regimens in

> the

> >> manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section,

> certainly,

> more

> >> detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

>

> >> One very important factor to remember in all this is that

> ibogaine like any

> >> other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and

> the matter

> >>becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no

> longer have

> the

> >> ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so

> valuable in

> demonstrating

> >> ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no

> longer an

> >> interest in the research community to perform rather straight

> forward

> >>studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow

> to strike

> the interest

> >>of researchers.

>

> >> I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within

> the next

> three

> >> months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

>

> >> Howard

> >

> >>

> << 2817623.pdf >>

>

>   >>

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:39:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick I wanted to reply to this most of all the last paragraph and
last sentence of your post. Right on!

KV

On 7/15/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 15, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Vector Vector wrote:

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So
CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing, the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

Dope is ridiculously cheap; ibogaine is extremely expensive.  Remove
the black-market economics that the “War on Drugs” introduces into
the equation, and it’s a waste of time — financially speaking.

If you want to feel your dope again; bang coke.

It’s not a psychedelic speedball.  What’s it’s useful for is what I
wrote: tapering down; resetting tolerance for chronic pain management
patients who no longer derive relief no matter what insane doses they
are on; and stabilizing at a reasonable level of narcotic analgesics
instead of pushing tolerance into the stratosphere.

The patents are way-gone.

The rest of this is silly.

Have fun kidz,

Patrick

p.s., Ya know … ibogaine IS a sacred plant and an entheogen.  What
you find depends on what you’re looking for.  You may wanna figure
out your intentions at some point — not you Vector, I know your
intent is to entertain yourself before you fall asleep until 5PM, the
joyz of summer vacation — cool things to aim for might be: stepping
out of the darkness and living like a fuckin’ slave, into freedom.
This is your basic right as a human being.

Beats the fuck out of trying to find a useable vein.

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:38:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey you two in spite of the usual bickering and horror this is a
fascinating subject and one that would help many. Both of you did say
on stage that you were going to expand the talk into a article or
paper sometime!

Great reading and information, thanks to you both. I do admit I love
the intrigue and secrets that come out at different times!

KV

On 7/15/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Vivienne,

There are a number of different issues that I had to address when I involved
myself in the possibility of developing ibogaine as a regulated medication to
treat chemical dependence.  The primary issues were safety and efficacy of
ibogaine in treating chemical dependence.  Drug development is time consuming and
expensive and FDA approval is narrow.  In other words you have to tell the
FDA exactly what the drug is going to be used for and how and then demonstrate
that it is safe at given doses and that it is effective.  The patents that I
filed in order to obtain financing for development concerned the use of doses of
ibogaine between 6 and 25 mg/kg.  What Schneider demonstrated in his studies
were a significant increase in toxicity when ibogaine and morphine were
combined.  This research used doses between 50 and 500 mg/kg of ibogaine and
morphine.  It is not uncommon to use higher doses in animal model studies than in
human studies to obtain effects.  Additionally, you cannot perform Lethal Dose
studies on human subjects.  Schneider also evaluated doses of morphine at 3
mg/kg combined with ibogaine at 6 mg/kg and 24 mg/kg that demonstrated significant
increased analgesia and longer lasting analgesia than from morphine alone.
To make it very simple our working group did not want freelance ibogaine
self-administrators taking ibogaine and opiates and increasing their risk in any way
so we provided information on the risk rather than instructions on how to go
about taking ibogaine and opiates together.

There is a very interesting paper by Vincent Sullivan et al., Detection and
Identification of Ibogaine and Heroin, in the journal of Criminal Law,
Criminology and Police Science, vol. 58, No. 2, 277-278, 1967, that concern itself
with the seizure of a heroin supply cut with ibogaine.  There are no further
reports of ibogaine/heroin mixes and I anticipate that after a few shots, the
ibogaine effect kicked in and some of the heroin dealer’s customers stopped being
good customers.  Just an interesting sidenote.

As my ability to direct ibogaine research diminished, it was returned more
and more to lay experimenters as the medical community is very conservative and
Mash et al. had reasonable safety and ethical concern of experimenting with
the st. kitts patients.  After all it was experimentation but, hopefully not
something out of a horror movie:  The weird island of so and so.

Patrick published very useful information in his article on low dose
maintenance but, it requires skillful and knowledgeable drug users, which many, off of
this list are not.  And I cannot guarantee the skill of anyone on this list
either.  By the way Ciba’s work was published.  Bogadin was Ciba’s tradename
for ibogaine.

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4.

It took 45 years to revisit this work because there was no interest in it
until it became interesting to drug users and drug using pain patients, where
Patrick today and myself twenty-five years ago decided certain ibogaine
information was important and published.  As for your friend going off and telling
people to take ibogaine and heroin there is nothing to stop him and I anticipate
there will be some adventurous types who may have access to both ibogaine and
heroin and listen.  My guess is that if they survive, that there use heroin
will not continue as previously, as the effects of ibogaine in controlled low
doses in combination with opiates is not generally what the thrill seeking heroin
using public is looking for.  That does not mean that there may not be some
fatalities along the way.  Same with all drugs.  Caveat emptor.

Howard

In a message dated 7/15/05 4:26:10 AM, vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au writes:

<<

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic. Everything I

have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be at the

stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work done by CIBA

and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of the lost

papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw them, or

almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

Then Patrick write and I quote

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame

“Dirty” Maintenance

For some, abstinence from narcotic analgesics is not a reality-based goal.
Many

chronic pain patients are really not going to cast off their crutches, light
up

some medical marijuana and dance in the meadow, after ibogaine. In addition to

chronic-pain patients, there are many people who are using narcotic analgesics

to self-medicate a variety of comorbid conditions. In some cases a
“successful”

detox from opiates means that somebody can look forward to a lifetime’s worth

of maintenance on neuroleptics.

Given the choice between opiates and neuroleptics, there is no simple answer,

but the side-effects of current anti-psychotic medications can be devastating.

When you compare the quality of someone’s life when they are controlling

schizophrenia, for example, through the use of opiates (which tend to have

extremely mild side effects) vs. the qualify of life attained using sanctioned

medicines (usually neuroleptics, with Cogentin to alleviate some of the

side-effects anti-psychotics produce), it is entirely possible, even probable,

that the person is happier with the opiates.

Ibogaine is remarkably effective in addressing one of the primary problems in

any sort of opiate or opioid maintenance: tolerance. Over time, individuals

find they must do extremely high doses of their medications in order to
achieve

any effect whatsoever.

WARNING: the following category should be considered highly experimental.
There

is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following

examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely significant and

quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and

opioids.”

End of quoting Patrick, the paragraph above is bigger then every other font in

the article, bold faced and in red, I get the idea he wanted everyone to read

it.

So then off he goes and lists exact figures, details and numbers.

Low doses and boosters have been mentioned here many times, but what I have

never seen anywhere is anyone saying that you can take ibogaine and opiates at

the same time. Then Patrick wrote a whole article about it and you just agreed

with him and the both of you are referencing work at CIBA, where the results

were never published.

If all this is such a bloody great idea and you first did ibogaine in 1962,
why

did it take 45 years for someone to write it up and what it does on humans?

Patrick, Howard, you’ve lost me. Howard my understanding was that at least one

of the deaths that Dr. Mash accused you of killing someone with ibogaine by

over dosing them, is where you published that she died exactly because she
took

opiates while on ibogaine?

I’ve become lost in this. Please don’t list off a list of references and

medical articles, what this person I’m replying to wrote is scaring me because

off he’ll go and tell everyone to take heroin and ibogaine at the same time
for

a bigger thrill and someone will listen to him!

Blessed be

Vivienne Elanta

— Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.

There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking

ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow

inherently dangerous.  The patent seems to debunk that idea – please

correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

From: HSLotsof@aol.com

Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very

interesting

and important information on dose and safety issues.  My

presentation that

can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/

ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt

includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was

all eyes

and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But,

Jeff is the

first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are

differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and

not the

discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important

information and I and

many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it

is unclear

if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in

place that

prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen

the agreements

so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet

has

recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide

information

beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine

were

published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the

1950s along

with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read

Hunter Thompson’s

article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking

ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the

descriptions

Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and

applied them to

Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links

Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with

central-stimulant properties.

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.

PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.

Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.

Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract

available.

PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.

Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.

Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.

PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate

morphine

alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it

comes

through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free

pdfs of patents,

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in

response to

your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of

ibogaine and drug

interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse

potential,

morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and

psychiatric drugs

generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all

of the

original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses

and low doses

were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the

information was

transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research

community

describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the

drug users to fend

for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com

writes:

Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very

excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and

opiates

at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave

exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and

when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought

all

of this was great.

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really

knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as

ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why

this

isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it

really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell

people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad

happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really

means

there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on

Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and

are

alive and well.

KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the

Manual for

ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as

known as one

might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation

there is

no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being

those persons

with

the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards

the

general

safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those

persons who

may be

entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with

ibogaine who

are concurrently on other medications have the least medical

background

and no real ability to report data though they can provide important

anecdotal

observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose

regimens in

the

manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section,

certainly,

more

detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that

ibogaine like any

other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and

the matter

becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no

longer have

the

ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so

valuable in

demonstrating

ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no

longer an

interest in the research community to perform rather straight

forward

studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow

to strike

the interest

of researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within

the next

three

months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 2ct-2?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:37:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yes it is similar to synthetic mescalin but more intense like deamsters

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 2ct-2?
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:12:04 -0400

HI there,
Anyone on either the DrugWar or Ibogaine lists tried 2CT-2 yet?
Or ever? What was your impression if yes?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction ‘supplement’ on cocaine anti-craving
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:34:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i agree w/ Mr. Peet that long term methadone should be considered for certain types of individuals who are older , sick of being on the wrong side of the law (having to go out and cop….. yada yada) and want to lead semi-normal normal lives (whatever that means). No doubt the ‘done  has its flaws but in perspective to serving jail time in this anti-harm reduction society we live in…it is surely better  for a certain audiance

ARLO

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction ‘supplement’ on cocaine anti-craving drug trials… Dr Andrew Byrne
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:21:54 -0400

tink wrote with all sincerity >but none of this methadrone for
life shit.<

Love you tink, but I don’t agree. I think that there are so many avenues for change, for HARM REDUCTION that in this day and age of outright prohibition, methadone for those who want it and do better on it, FOR LIFE should be an option.

Did the good doctor mention how bloated and lethargic people become?<

I (and I only speak for me) was more productive while taking methadone than I’ve ever been in my life.
And I never gained much weight either, although I was heavier then than now- but only a few pounds.

How deep it goes into your marrow?<

I’ve read this is a myth, the marrow thing.

How hard it is to get off of? <

Yes, it’s a bitch to get off- but until we stop arresting and incarcerating people for using the drugs that make them feel better and stop hurting them even more than they might already be doing themselves by doing so, adding hurt and pain to what can already be a painful and hurtful situation, then allowing those who say “enough already” but are NOT ready to stop using (and may never be) to use methadone for life is just fine with me.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction ‘supplement’ on cocaine anti-craving drug trials… Dr Andrew Byrne

If methadone was used as a detox tool, in gradually smaller doses, as
a way to get off of heroin (or the opiate of choice) for no longer
than say, 30-90 days, i think it would be great.  Maintainence did
nothing more than keep me shackled to a legal dealer who had a less
ethical outlook on addiction than half of my dealers did.  The way
that the clinics are run, at least in Florida, Maine, Vermont(where
there is only ONE clinic for the whole state, with 150 slots, and an 8
month waiting list on a slow day) and parts of Mass, is deplorable.
They’re far more concerned with their bottom line than the welfare of
the addicts that walk through the doors looking for help.  That’s been
my experience, any way.  And it’s turning into the same thing for the
suboxone doc’s.
I will say that in SF, when I checked it out, they had an option of
maitenance or a 28 day out patient detox using the methadone.  I think
that that should be the first option, and if it doesn’t work, then go
onto some sort of longer term program, but none of this methadrone for
life shit.
Did the good doctor mention how bloated and lethargic people become?
How deep it goes into your marrow?  How hard it is to get off of?
That it was developed by NAZIS!!!!
love tink

On 6/17/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Check this out from Dr Byrne’s book –

“The miracle of methadone has to be witnessed to be understood.
The change in the addict is often sudden and dramatic. The appearance,
attitude, general health and social functioning may return to normal
almost overnight.

Following months or even years of illicit drug use, it is important to have a substantial period of stability on methadone before considering dose reductions. It has been shown repeatedly that those remaining in treatment longer have a better likelihood of long term abstinence from narcotics.”

What do people think?

Nick

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
> Sent: 17 June 2005 08:29
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction ‘supplement’ on
> cocaine anti-craving drug trials… Dr Andrew Byrne
>
>
>  Right,…..that’s it,….no one calls Howard a rat bag,
>  c’mon boys we got work to do.
>
>                                  love, Jasen
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:52 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:[Ibogaine] Fw: Addiction ‘supplement’ on cocaine
> anti-craving drug trials… Dr Andrew Byrne
>
>
> >> Comments by Andrew Byrne ..
> >>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >   Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
> >>    Dependency Medicine,
> > ……..
> >>    New South Wales, 2016, Australia
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Author of: “Addict in the Family” http://www.csdp.org/addict/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So I went and had a bit of a chat to Dr Byrne yesterday. His surgery > > is
> > close to my work and I wanted to get a copy of his book from
> him (“Addict
> > in the Family”).
> >
> > Walk in there and the only person that happens to be sitting in
> reception
> > is an old friend of Mandy’s – the very one who gave her her
> first hit of
> > H. Getting his bupe after another relapse. Interesting start to the
> > experience.
> >
> > Dr Byrne invites me into his office between patients (I had a
> quick chat
> > to him on the phone already) and the first thing he says is “ok, I am
> > really busy, you’ve got 4 seconds”. Fair enough, I am not a
> patient, I am
> > grateful for any time he can spare to see me.
> >
> > Dr Byrne specialises in prescribing methadone and bupe and it
> seems he is
> > mostly interested in talking to me to see if he can get another
> patient.
> > Which was not my intention in the slightest – I was just after the > > book
> > and just wanted to ask him a couple of questions, if I had the chance,
> > which I now did. Firstly, I wanted to ask if he can recommend a
> good group
> > or counselor, preferably not NA. Secondly, if he can recommend
> some drugs
> > or whatever for cravings.
> >
> > He starts off asking me Mandy’s drug history with heroin,
> speed, addiction
> > relapse patterns  etc and I’m trying to answer his questions
> and ask mine
> > all in the allocated 4 seconds. Then he asks “Do you use speed?”
> > “No”.
> > “Then why are your pupils so large?”
> > “Err… caffeine and heavy metal”.
> > I have a bit of a laugh about this to myself and carry on. I
> was actually
> > on my lunch break from work, so have been sitting at a computer
> all day,
> > sipping copy, headphones on and the music loud (and fast).
> Definitely no
> > speed in the system… something in the office tap water perhaps? For
> > maximum productivity?
> >
> > I asked him about the group stuff and he recommended the SMART > > Recovery
> > group at St Vincent’s hospital. Conveniently located exactly halfway
> > between the injection centre in Kings Cross and the nearest
> chemist that
> > sells fits, in Surry Hills. I hope they cover “environmental cues” in
> > their first session.
> >
> > Anyway, now onto the relevant stuff. I asked him about what
> he’d reccomend
> > for cravings. Having read his commentary, that Preston posted,
> I thought
> > he may know something about that. I rattle off some of the things > > we’ve
> > been looking into – gabapentin, vigabatrin, ghb, ibogaine…
> > “Forget ibogaine”, he says. “There is no proof that it works,
> there have
> > been been no studies done…”
> > So I begin to argue that no, it does work and there has been
> research, I
> > have spoken to people for whom it worked etc
> > “You can find someone that says anything worked.. One person will say
> > acupuncture worked another says …. ” (something about
> vegimite extract
> > and drinking a cup of tea or something, I think). “Where are
> the studies?
> > These people have been talking about ibogaine for the past 40
> years. Where
> > is the proof? Where are the studies?”
> > “There have been studies… But all you need to do is talk to the
> > providers, talk to the people it has helped.”
> > “Well, I think maybe there was one study.. But all you have is
> some person
> > in Mexico, another in Brazil another somewhere else or whatever
> that says
> > it worked. It doesn’t mean anything… Its like those Naltrexone Rapid
> > Detox people” (draws some vague comparison about zealous ignorance
> > promoting a dangerous and inaffective practice or something.. my
> > interpretation, dont quote me on this part).
> > “I know one of them, in New York”, he says… Scrunches his forehead
> > trying to remember the name.. I ask if its Patrick Kraupa or Howard
> > Lotsof.. He says, yep, Howard.
> > “He is a ratbag”, he continues..
> > “Look, I’ve spoken to a dozen people for whom its worked.”
> > “What about the ones that died, have you spoken to them?”
> > “Yes, people have died.. but how many people has it helped?”
> > We continue to argue about this and that and those… I feel I
> have about
> > 1 second of the allocated 4 left. I am rambling something about people
> > taking ibogaine not even having the withdrawal from heroin, but
> he argues
> > that “yes, they do”. I argue there is plenty of evidence that
> it works, he
> > says “No, there isn’t. They haven’t even isolated the active
> chemical in
> > it.They haven’t even done tests on animals…Methadone was
> tested back in
> > the 60s and these people have had 40 years, where are the studies?”. I
> > continue argueing he is a bit behind the times on this and attempt to
> > squeeze into the remaining half a second of my time an
> explanation of the
> > difficulties of the political climate facing the proponents of
> ibogaine,
> > the nuances of the resistance to such a radical approach from
> the medical
> > establishment, the hostile disinterest from the pharmaceutical
> companies..
> > I blurt out something about how it completely resets brain
> chemistry and
> > even restores liver function..
> > I think it was at this point he said to me:
> > “You’re not thinking straight, I am very busy” and gets up to show me
> > out…
> >
> > And that was just about the jist of it. I gave him a donation for his
> > book – he gave it to me and said I can make a donation if I can
> afford it,
> > or if I cant thats ok too – and walked on out. As I was walking
> out of the
> > surgery, he shouted towards me, over the shoulder of another
> blurry eyed
> > patient, stumbling into his office:
> > “Send me any research you have that supports what you are saying!”
> >
> > So there we are. This doctor is supposedly (??) one of the leading
> > addiction treatment professionals in Australia. And thats what
> he had to
> > say. I think he is genuinely open to new approaches to addiction
> > treatment, but is too firmly entrenched in the same resistant mindset
> > thats pervasive in the medical establishment the world over about
> > ibogaine. Well, duh.
> >
> > I do have a couple of things I want to send to him. An article in New
> > Scientist recently, links to the Ibogaine.org site’s science page… > > I
> > also want to offer to lend him my copy of Rites of Passage. Why
> the hell
> > not?
> >
> > Anyone got any recommendations for information/studies that may
> help sway
> > a skeptical doctor?
> >
> > cheers
> > Boris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 1:07:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Vivienne,

There are a number of different issues that I had to address when I involved
myself in the possibility of developing ibogaine as a regulated medication to
treat chemical dependence.  The primary issues were safety and efficacy of
ibogaine in treating chemical dependence.  Drug development is time consuming and
expensive and FDA approval is narrow.  In other words you have to tell the
FDA exactly what the drug is going to be used for and how and then demonstrate
that it is safe at given doses and that it is effective.  The patents that I
filed in order to obtain financing for development concerned the use of doses of
ibogaine between 6 and 25 mg/kg.  What Schneider demonstrated in his studies
were a significant increase in toxicity when ibogaine and morphine were
combined.  This research used doses between 50 and 500 mg/kg of ibogaine and
morphine.  It is not uncommon to use higher doses in animal model studies than in
human studies to obtain effects.  Additionally, you cannot perform Lethal Dose
studies on human subjects.  Schneider also evaluated doses of morphine at 3
mg/kg combined with ibogaine at 6 mg/kg and 24 mg/kg that demonstrated significant
increased analgesia and longer lasting analgesia than from morphine alone.
To make it very simple our working group did not want freelance ibogaine
self-administrators taking ibogaine and opiates and increasing their risk in any way
so we provided information on the risk rather than instructions on how to go
about taking ibogaine and opiates together.

There is a very interesting paper by Vincent Sullivan et al., Detection and
Identification of Ibogaine and Heroin, in the journal of Criminal Law,
Criminology and Police Science, vol. 58, No. 2, 277-278, 1967, that concern itself
with the seizure of a heroin supply cut with ibogaine.  There are no further
reports of ibogaine/heroin mixes and I anticipate that after a few shots, the
ibogaine effect kicked in and some of the heroin dealer’s customers stopped being
good customers.  Just an interesting sidenote.

As my ability to direct ibogaine research diminished, it was returned more
and more to lay experimenters as the medical community is very conservative and
Mash et al. had reasonable safety and ethical concern of experimenting with
the st. kitts patients.  After all it was experimentation but, hopefully not
something out of a horror movie:  The weird island of so and so.

Patrick published very useful information in his article on low dose
maintenance but, it requires skillful and knowledgeable drug users, which many, off of
this list are not.  And I cannot guarantee the skill of anyone on this list
either.  By the way Ciba’s work was published.  Bogadin was Ciba’s tradename
for ibogaine.

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4.

It took 45 years to revisit this work because there was no interest in it
until it became interesting to drug users and drug using pain patients, where
Patrick today and myself twenty-five years ago decided certain ibogaine
information was important and published.  As for your friend going off and telling
people to take ibogaine and heroin there is nothing to stop him and I anticipate
there will be some adventurous types who may have access to both ibogaine and
heroin and listen.  My guess is that if they survive, that there use heroin
will not continue as previously, as the effects of ibogaine in controlled low
doses in combination with opiates is not generally what the thrill seeking heroin
using public is looking for.  That does not mean that there may not be some
fatalities along the way.  Same with all drugs.  Caveat emptor.

Howard

In a message dated 7/15/05 4:26:10 AM, vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au writes:

<<

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic. Everything I

have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be at the

stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work done by CIBA

and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of the lost

papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw them, or

almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

Then Patrick write and I quote

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame

“Dirty” Maintenance

For some, abstinence from narcotic analgesics is not a reality-based goal.
Many

chronic pain patients are really not going to cast off their crutches, light
up

some medical marijuana and dance in the meadow, after ibogaine. In addition to

chronic-pain patients, there are many people who are using narcotic analgesics

to self-medicate a variety of comorbid conditions. In some cases a
“successful”

detox from opiates means that somebody can look forward to a lifetime’s worth

of maintenance on neuroleptics.

Given the choice between opiates and neuroleptics, there is no simple answer,

but the side-effects of current anti-psychotic medications can be devastating.

When you compare the quality of someone’s life when they are controlling

schizophrenia, for example, through the use of opiates (which tend to have

extremely mild side effects) vs. the qualify of life attained using sanctioned

medicines (usually neuroleptics, with Cogentin to alleviate some of the

side-effects anti-psychotics produce), it is entirely possible, even probable,

that the person is happier with the opiates.

Ibogaine is remarkably effective in addressing one of the primary problems in

any sort of opiate or opioid maintenance: tolerance. Over time, individuals

find they must do extremely high doses of their medications in order to
achieve

any effect whatsoever.

WARNING: the following category should be considered highly experimental.
There

is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following

examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely significant and

quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and

opioids.”

End of quoting Patrick, the paragraph above is bigger then every other font in

the article, bold faced and in red, I get the idea he wanted everyone to read

it.

So then off he goes and lists exact figures, details and numbers.

Low doses and boosters have been mentioned here many times, but what I have

never seen anywhere is anyone saying that you can take ibogaine and opiates at

the same time. Then Patrick wrote a whole article about it and you just agreed

with him and the both of you are referencing work at CIBA, where the results

were never published.

If all this is such a bloody great idea and you first did ibogaine in 1962,
why

did it take 45 years for someone to write it up and what it does on humans?

Patrick, Howard, you’ve lost me. Howard my understanding was that at least one

of the deaths that Dr. Mash accused you of killing someone with ibogaine by

over dosing them, is where you published that she died exactly because she
took

opiates while on ibogaine?

I’ve become lost in this. Please don’t list off a list of references and

medical articles, what this person I’m replying to wrote is scaring me because

off he’ll go and tell everyone to take heroin and ibogaine at the same time
for

a bigger thrill and someone will listen to him!

Blessed be

Vivienne Elanta

— Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.

There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking

ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow

inherently dangerous.  The patent seems to debunk that idea – please

correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

From: HSLotsof@aol.com

Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very

interesting

and important information on dose and safety issues.  My

presentation that

can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/

ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt

includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was

all eyes

and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But,

Jeff is the

first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are

differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and

not the

discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important

information and I and

many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it

is unclear

if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in

place that

prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen

the agreements

so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet

has

recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide

information

beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine

were

published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the

1950s along

with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read

Hunter Thompson’s

article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking

ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the

descriptions

Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and

applied them to

Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links

Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with

central-stimulant properties.

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.

PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.

Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.

Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract

available.

PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.

Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.

Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.

PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate

morphine

alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it

comes

through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free

pdfs of patents,

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in

response to

your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of

ibogaine and drug

interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse

potential,

morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and

psychiatric drugs

generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all

of the

original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses

and low doses

were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the

information was

transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research

community

describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the

drug users to fend

for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com

writes:

Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very

excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and

opiates

at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave

exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and

when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought

all

of this was great.

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really

knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as

ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why

this

isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it

really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell

people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad

happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really

means

there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on

Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and

are

alive and well.

KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the

Manual for

ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as

known as one

might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation

there is

no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being

those persons

with

the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards

the

general

safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those

persons who

may be

entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with

ibogaine who

are concurrently on other medications have the least medical

background

and no real ability to report data though they can provide important

anecdotal

observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose

regimens in

the

manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section,

certainly,

more

detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that

ibogaine like any

other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and

the matter

becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no

longer have

the

ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so

valuable in

demonstrating

ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no

longer an

interest in the research community to perform rather straight

forward

studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow

to strike

the interest

of researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within

the next

three

months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 15, 2005 at 10:31:11 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, I agree with ben, that it’s a misconception that one cannot take any amount of opiates with ibogaine. It MIGHT be dangerous to SOME, but it’s not inherently so.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.  There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow inherently dangerous. The patent seems to debunk that idea – please correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very interesting
and important information on dose and safety issues.  My presentation that
can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt
includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was all eyes
and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But, Jeff is the
first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are
differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and not the
discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important information and I and
many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it is unclear
if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in place that
prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen the agreements
so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet has
recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide information
beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine were
published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the 1950s along
with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read Hunter Thompson’s
article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking
ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the descriptions
Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and applied them to
Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links
Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with
central-stimulant properties.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.
Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.
Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.
PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate morphine
alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it comes
through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free pdfs of patents,
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in response to
your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of ibogaine and drug
interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse potential,
morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and psychiatric drugs
generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all of the
original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses and low doses
were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the information was
transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research community
describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the drug users to fend
for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com writes:

>Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very
>excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and opiates
>at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave
>exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and
>when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought all
>of this was great.
>

>Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
>knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
>ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why this
>isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
>really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
>people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
>happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really means
>there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
>Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and are
>alive and well.
>KV

>On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
>> Dear Krista,

>> I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the Manual for
>> ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

>> The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as  known as
one
>> might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation there is
>no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being those
persons
with
>>the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards the
general
>>safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those persons
who
may be
>> entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with
ibogaine who
>> are concurrently on other medications have the least medical >> background
>and no real ability to report data though they can provide important
anecdotal
>> observations.
>
>>
>
>> While there is elementary information on low and medium dose regimens
in
the
>> manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section,
certainly,
more
>> detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

>> One very important factor to remember in all this is that ibogaine >> like
any
>> other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and the
matter
>>becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no longer
have
the
>> ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so valuable in
demonstrating
>> ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no longer an
>> interest in the research community to perform rather straight forward
>>studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow to
strike
the interest
>>of researchers.

>> I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within the next
three
>> months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

>> Howard
>
>>
<< 2817623.pdf >>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 15, 2005 at 10:17:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aren’t you supposed to take a lot of drugs all at once, take ibogaine,
take more drugs, take ibogaine, peel a onion and then light a joint?

Preston, Dana, have you two been lying to me? What ibogaine manual, is
there a website? ;)<

I’m sorry Vec, I see the smile, but wonder what in the world you’re talking about.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Wait a minute, was I supposed to stop drinking vodka and get off
effexor and zoloft FIRST???

Aren’t you supposed to take a lot of drugs all at once, take ibogaine,
take more drugs, take ibogaine, peel a onion and then light a joint?

Preston, Dana, have you two been lying to me? What ibogaine manual, is
there a website? 😉

Welcome back Morning Wood, did you and Carla B get married finally?

.:vector:.

— Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why
this
isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really
means
there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and
are
alive and well.

KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
> Dear Krista,

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 9:42:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 15, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Vector Vector wrote:

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing, the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

Dope is ridiculously cheap; ibogaine is extremely expensive.  Remove the black-market economics that the “War on Drugs” introduces into the equation, and it’s a waste of time — financially speaking.

If you want to feel your dope again; bang coke.

It’s not a psychedelic speedball.  What’s it’s useful for is what I wrote: tapering down; resetting tolerance for chronic pain management patients who no longer derive relief no matter what insane doses they are on; and stabilizing at a reasonable level of narcotic analgesics instead of pushing tolerance into the stratosphere.

The patents are way-gone.

The rest of this is silly.

Have fun kidz,

Patrick

p.s., Ya know … ibogaine IS a sacred plant and an entheogen.  What you find depends on what you’re looking for.  You may wanna figure out your intentions at some point — not you Vector, I know your intent is to entertain yourself before you fall asleep until 5PM, the joyz of summer vacation — cool things to aim for might be: stepping out of the darkness and living like a fuckin’ slave, into freedom.  This is your basic right as a human being.

Beats the fuck out of trying to find a useable vein.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 15, 2005 at 9:24:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

good to hear from both Jeff and Sean- as they are both inspirational in their own ways.

I think I’m manic depressive or something as I have such serious ups and downs this is getting ridiculous. Or I’m just broken. Or I’m realizing that some people really suck and others don’t, and there’s never any way to tell which is which. By this I mean we’ve been told for nearly a hundred years that SOME drug use is bad, therefor we all pay extremely inflated prices (for both legal and non-legal drug both- all thanks to prohibition), and I don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with using in the first place- sort of. I don’t know, I guess I’m STILL really sick and tired….and don’t see any end in sight really. This is NOT a pity trip, just (trying not so successfully) stating my feelings on this and that and the other. I’m very happy for those who are finding happiness- I don’t seem to be. Or, I’m not finding enlightenment of the sort I want, the sort I’m really seeking. The peace with myself thing.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Gallop
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane, including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 9:10:04 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This pre-dates you using ibogaine for the first time Howard! 😉 So CIBA
does research with ibogaine that Patrick and you keep referencing, the
research isn’t published, they get a patent and then nothing at all is
written about this for 50 years until Patrick writes his MAPS paper?

I’ve looked at google there are papers listing exactly that ‘ibogaine
potentates morphine analgesia’ it’s even in Dana Beal’s book though
impossible to find, what I don’t understand is why didn’t anyone do the
‘anecdotal science’ on it before Patrick? There are zillions of papers
about ibogaine everything, farting while on ibogaine, throwing up,
ibogaine everything. Nobody ever mentioned bythe way it does something
else, this is how to use it, these are the doses.

Weird stuff to overlook for 50 years. Nobody bothered to use the
patent, nobody did anything. Will the CIA arrive now or are they busy
injecting government morphine and ibogaine shots 😉

Watch out Ekki the CIA will deport you for dancing on ibogaine! 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 15, 2005 at 7:34:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

somehow it didn´t get through to me, so i send it again without photos

Von:   ekkijdfg@gmx.de
Betreff: dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Datum: 15. Juli 2005 13:12:02 MESZ
An:   ibogaine@mindvox.com

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides, emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem, feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope. the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating. when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me. then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 15, 2005 at 7:12:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides, emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem, feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope. the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating. when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me. then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

PS here two photos from the other night i recently wrote about, unfortunately not very good ones, but the only ones i got. i´m the guy in the olive shirt.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 6:12:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh jeez, I’m sorry if I touched a sore spot, someone made you feel
inadequate in high school. Some people here are very smart but there is
nothing in what youre quoting that is harder then reading 6th grade
english if you don’t know what the numbers mean then skip them, you
still get the idea of what it says.

If you don’t understand any of it, then don’t do it yourself. I didn’t
call either one of the two people I replied to stupid, maybe I wasn’t
nice and sorry for that but they are reading what isn’t there and each
one is turning it into whatever it is they want to see instead of what
they’re supposedly reading.

.:vector:.

— Cheryl <cherylca@myway.com> wrote:

Without stepping on anyones toes vector, you’re a bright guy who is
in college as far as I remember, Howard might not have any
credentials but hes obviously really smart and understands all of
this, Patricks started having his room raided by the secret service
at 15 or 16 for being in legion of doom and there are 20 books with
him written into them where the writers crawl up his ass about what a
brilliant psycho he is oh yes and dr. mash is mom another very normal
person, then jeffrey kamlet is a md who is president of the addiction
society, a lot of people on this list are very very bright and very
very weird.

In case all of you spend your days only talking to each other, some
people arent as smart as you, when I read the ibogaine manual I
understand some of it the rest of chinese to me, Patrick you are
incredible at prose and I love your writing but i’m sorry, I dont
understand most of what your talking about either in MAPS its all
science with only a little bit of talk put in.

Don’t dis people and call them stupid for not understanding
everything right away like you think they should vector. If im not
obvious enough, when you talk about science, howard, patrick,
jeffrey, all the high iq types on this list who think your normal,
guess what, a lot of us dont get any of it and calling people dense
or stupid isnt going to make them understand faster.

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From: “Cheryl” <cherylca@myway.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 5:45:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Without stepping on anyones toes vector, you’re a bright guy who is in college as far as I remember, Howard might not have any credentials but hes obviously really smart and understands all of this, Patricks started having his room raided by the secret service at 15 or 16 for being in legion of doom and there are 20 books with him written into them where the writers crawl up his ass about what a brilliant psycho he is oh yes and dr. mash is mom another very normal person, then jeffrey kamlet is a md who is president of the addiction society, a lot of people on this list are very very bright and very very weird. In case all of you spend your days only talking to each other, some people arent as smart as you, when I read the ibogaine manual I understand some of it the rest of chinese to me, Patrick you are incredible at prose and I love your writing but i’m sorry, I dont understand most of what your talking about either in MAPS its all science with only a little bit of talk put in. Don’t dis people and call them stupid for not understanding everything right away like you think they should vector. If im not obvious enough, when you talk about science, howard, patrick, jeffrey, all the high iq types on this list who think your normal, guess what, a lot of us dont get any of it and calling people dense or stupid isnt going to make them understand faster. — On Fri 07/15, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? The conspiracy thickens.

Patrick hacked into CIBAs secret files, stole them and starting doing
his own research. Howard says using ibogaine and heroin is a great
idea. Jeffrey Kamlet can’t publish medical information that could save
lives because Dr. Mash owns everything.

This list has always been much better then watching TV 🙂

Vivienne you’re some Wicca witch who is getting hysterical and Rick
can’t read. That’s what the messages say. Derrrr. Did either one of you
read them or only look for what you wanted to hear.

In case both of you are that dense, doing shooting heroin and doing
ibogaine will kill you, think everyone agrees on that.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

“WARNING: the following category should be considered highly
experimental. There
is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following
examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely
significant and
quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of
opiates and
opioids.”

My cut and paste is broken, but I don’t have any trouble reading that
paragraph and understanding what it says. If you do, how’d you manage
to subscribe to MindVox?

‘it’s in big bold red letters!’ clue?

Back to bong, Halo and Aphex Twin 🙂

.:vector:.

— Vivienne Elanta wrote:

>
> Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic.
> Everything I
> have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be
> at the
> stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.
>
> That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work
> done by CIBA
> and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of
> the lost
> papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw
> them, or
> almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.
>
>

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 4:39:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The conspiracy thickens.

Patrick hacked into CIBAs secret files, stole them and starting doing
his own research. Howard says using ibogaine and heroin is a great
idea. Jeffrey Kamlet can’t publish medical information that could save
lives because Dr. Mash owns everything.

This list has always been much better then watching TV 🙂

Vivienne you’re some Wicca witch who is getting hysterical and Rick
can’t read. That’s what the messages say. Derrrr. Did either one of you
read them or only look for what you wanted to hear.

In case both of you are that dense, doing shooting heroin and doing
ibogaine will kill you, think everyone agrees on that.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm

“WARNING: the following category should be considered highly
experimental. There
is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following
examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely
significant and
quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of
opiates and
opioids.”

My cut and paste is broken, but I don’t have any trouble reading that
paragraph and understanding what it says. If you do, how’d you manage
to subscribe to MindVox?

‘it’s in big bold red letters!’ clue?

Back to bong, Halo and Aphex Twin 🙂

.:vector:.

— Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic.
Everything I
have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be
at the
stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work
done by CIBA
and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of
the lost
papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw
them, or
almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

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From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 15, 2005 at 4:22:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard please excuse me if I am also getting lost on this topic. Everything I
have read about ibogaine says that it is dangerous and you should be at the
stage of withdrawl before taking it if you are on opiates.

That CIBA work which Patrick mentions in the MAPS article as work done by CIBA
and the government is work on animals or people? Are these some of the lost
papers where the results where never published and nobody ever saw them, or
almost nobody since Patrick looks to have read them and you too.

Then Patrick write and I quote

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame

“Dirty” Maintenance

For some, abstinence from narcotic analgesics is not a reality-based goal. Many
chronic pain patients are really not going to cast off their crutches, light up
some medical marijuana and dance in the meadow, after ibogaine. In addition to
chronic-pain patients, there are many people who are using narcotic analgesics
to self-medicate a variety of comorbid conditions. In some cases a “successful”
detox from opiates means that somebody can look forward to a lifetime’s worth
of maintenance on neuroleptics.

Given the choice between opiates and neuroleptics, there is no simple answer,
but the side-effects of current anti-psychotic medications can be devastating.
When you compare the quality of someone’s life when they are controlling
schizophrenia, for example, through the use of opiates (which tend to have
extremely mild side effects) vs. the qualify of life attained using sanctioned
medicines (usually neuroleptics, with Cogentin to alleviate some of the
side-effects anti-psychotics produce), it is entirely possible, even probable,
that the person is happier with the opiates.

Ibogaine is remarkably effective in addressing one of the primary problems in
any sort of opiate or opioid maintenance: tolerance. Over time, individuals
find they must do extremely high doses of their medications in order to achieve
any effect whatsoever.

WARNING: the following category should be considered highly experimental. There
is a complete lack of published scientific data regarding the following
examples. The difference between 50mg. And 500mg. Is extremely significant and
quite possibly fatal. Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and
opioids.”

End of quoting Patrick, the paragraph above is bigger then every other font in
the article, bold faced and in red, I get the idea he wanted everyone to read
it.

So then off he goes and lists exact figures, details and numbers.

Low doses and boosters have been mentioned here many times, but what I have
never seen anywhere is anyone saying that you can take ibogaine and opiates at
the same time. Then Patrick wrote a whole article about it and you just agreed
with him and the both of you are referencing work at CIBA, where the results
were never published.

If all this is such a bloody great idea and you first did ibogaine in 1962, why
did it take 45 years for someone to write it up and what it does on humans?

Patrick, Howard, you’ve lost me. Howard my understanding was that at least one
of the deaths that Dr. Mash accused you of killing someone with ibogaine by
over dosing them, is where you published that she died exactly because she took
opiates while on ibogaine?

I’ve become lost in this. Please don’t list off a list of references and
medical articles, what this person I’m replying to wrote is scaring me because
off he’ll go and tell everyone to take heroin and ibogaine at the same time for
a bigger thrill and someone will listen to him!

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.
There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking
ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow
inherently dangerous.  The patent seems to debunk that idea – please
correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very
interesting
and important information on dose and safety issues.  My
presentation that
can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/
ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt
includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was
all eyes
and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But,
Jeff is the
first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are
differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and
not the
discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important
information and I and
many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it
is unclear
if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in
place that
prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen
the agreements
so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet
has
recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide
information
beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine
were
published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the
1950s along
with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read
Hunter Thompson’s
article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking
ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the
descriptions
Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and
applied them to
Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links
Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with
central-stimulant properties.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.
Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.
Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract
available.
PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.
PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate
morphine
alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it
comes
through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free
pdfs of patents,
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in
response to
your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of
ibogaine and drug
interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse
potential,
morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and
psychiatric drugs
generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all
of the
original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses
and low doses
were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the
information was
transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research
community
describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the
drug users to fend
for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com
writes:

Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very
excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and
opiates
at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave
exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and
when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought
all
of this was great.

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why
this
isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really
means
there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and
are
alive and well.
KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the
Manual for
ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as
known as one
might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation
there is
no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being
those persons
with
the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards
the
general
safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those
persons who
may be
entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with
ibogaine who
are concurrently on other medications have the least medical
background
and no real ability to report data though they can provide important
anecdotal
observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose
regimens in
the
manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section,
certainly,
more
detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that
ibogaine like any
other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and
the matter
becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no
longer have
the
ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so
valuable in
demonstrating
ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no
longer an
interest in the research community to perform rather straight
forward
studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow
to strike
the interest
of researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within
the next
three
months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 15, 2005 at 3:06:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The patent you attached as a pdf is very interesting & helpful.  There’s some disinformation that’s been going around that taking ibogaine in combinination with any amount of opiates is somehow inherently dangerous.  The patent seems to debunk that idea – please correct if that’s a misreading.

Thx,

Ben

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:14:03 EDT

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very interesting
and important information on dose and safety issues.  My presentation that
can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt
includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was all eyes
and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But, Jeff is the
first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are
differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and not the
discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important information and I and
many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it is unclear
if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in place that
prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen the agreements
so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet has
recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide information
beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine were
published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the 1950s along
with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read Hunter Thompson’s
article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking
ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the descriptions
Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and applied them to
Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links
Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with
central-stimulant properties.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.
Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.
Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.
PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate morphine
alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it comes
through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free pdfs of patents,
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in response to
your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of ibogaine and drug
interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse potential,
morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and psychiatric drugs
generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all of the
original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses and low doses
were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the information was
transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research community
describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the drug users to fend
for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com writes:

>Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very
>excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and opiates
>at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave
>exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and
>when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought all
>of this was great.
>

>Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
>knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
>ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why this
>isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
>really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
>people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
>happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really means
>there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
>Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and are
>alive and well.
>KV

>On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
>> Dear Krista,

>> I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the Manual for
>> ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

>> The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as  known as one
>> might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation there is
>no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being those persons
with
>>the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards the
general
>>safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those persons who
may be
>> entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with
ibogaine who
>> are concurrently on other medications have the least medical background
>and no real ability to report data though they can provide important
anecdotal
>> observations.
>
>>
>
>> While there is elementary information on low and medium dose regimens in
the
>> manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section, certainly,
more
>> detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

>> One very important factor to remember in all this is that ibogaine like any
>> other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and the matter
>>becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no longer have
the
>> ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so valuable in
demonstrating
>> ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no longer an
>> interest in the research community to perform rather straight forward
>>studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow to strike
the interest
>>of researchers.

>> I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within the next
three
>> months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

>> Howard
>
>>
<< 2817623.pdf >>

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd and funny to distract you for a minute
Date: July 14, 2005 at 10:02:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sadly Llamas refused to load for me today.
Hoping they be nicer tomorrow….
Could be the sunspots??

hmm, well, thats a shame..  but wait, noone leaves this gameshow empty handed!
Here’s some badgers for you instead:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php

(and do check out the Flashback animation in my last post 😉

Boris

Luff n laughter
Kirk xxxxxx
(good to see the list is back in full swing!! :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Boris Leshinsky [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 1:29 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd
and funny to distract you for a minute

that should be
http://gprime.net/flash.php/llamasong

😉

Here is a MUST SEE animation for all you psychonauts.

http://www.shocking.com/~trinity/flashback.swf

The soundtrack is by the most excellent band Shpongle (Simon Posford and
Raja Ram), if anyone particularly likes it. One of my favourite artists!

cheers
Boris

—- tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Bumbling around online, I found this flash animation piece called the
Llama Song.  You can find it and a ton of other things both funny and
not at hhtp://gprime.net.php/llamasong
Call itanother diversionary tactic for the twenty minutes it takes a
craving to go away?Love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A little more inspiration from Zen
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:59:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i love you boris!!
tink

On 7/14/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Something I came across people struggling with sobriety might find useful?

(yeah, some magic “steps”.. but its not like that, I promise!)
full article: “Zen, Feminism, and Recovery: 16 Steps for Discovery and Empowerment”
http://www.counselormagazine.com/display_article.asp?aid=Zen%20OCTOBER.htm

“We gather together to support each other in healing from addiction. We encourage each person to find their own power, intelligence, and strengths. We are here to support each other, but we do not presume to know what is best for another. We realize that all people unfold in their own way and their own time. We learn from each other and draw strength from seeing the courage of others, yet we keep the focus on ourselves. We listen to each other’s pain, but we also bond in power and joy and encourage everyone to take the necessary steps to live with respect and meaning in their lives. We are open to all possibilities for healing and finding our internal wisdom and power. Yes, we can!”

16 steps for discovery and empowerment

1.We affirm we have the power to take charge of our lives and stop being dependent on substances or other people for our self-esteem and security.
2.We come to believe that we have the ability to develop our inner resources through a process of learning, exploration, daily practice, diligence, self reflection, and supportive relationships with others.
3.We make a decision to become our authentic selves and trust in the healing power of the truth.
4.We examine our beliefs, addictions, and dependent behavior in the context of living in a hierarchal, patriarchal culture.
5.We share with another person all the things inside of us for which we feel shame and guilt.
6.We affirm and enjoy our strengths, talents, and creativity.
7.We become willing to let go of guilt, shame, and any behavior that keeps us from accepting ourselves and others.
8.We make a list of people we have harmed and people who have harmed us, and take steps to clear out negative feelings by making amends and sharing our grievances in a respectful way.
9.We express love and gratitude to others, and increasingly appreciate the wonder of life and the blessings we do have.
10.We continue to trust our reality and daily affirm that we see what we see, we know what we know and we feel what we feel.
11.We promptly acknowledge mistakes and make amends when appropriate, but we do not say we are sorry for things we have not done and we do not cover up, analyze, or take responsibility for the shortcomings of others.
12.We seek out situations, jobs, and people who affirm our intelligence, perceptions, and self-worth and avoid situations or people who are hurtful, harmful, or demeaning to us.
13.We take steps to heal our physical bodies, organize our lives, reduce stress, and have fun.
14. We seek to find our inward calling, and develop the will and wisdom to follow it.
15. We accept that change, loss, death, and re-birth are part of the natural flow of life.
16. We grow in awareness that we are interrelated with all living things, and we contribute to restoring peace and balance on the planet.

On the right path
Here are some fundamental characteristics of human development that lead to resilience, vitality, inner stability, and peace of mind:

1. We move from reliance on external authority to an internal center of resonance and wisdom based on observation, experimentation, and experience.
2. We bring fascination, curiosity, and interest to all aspects of our lives and to relationships. We are comfortable with differences, and are able to reflect on our own feelings, thoughts, and emotional reactions.
3. We take personal responsibility for our internal experience – we realize we create our own feelings of anger, contempt, and judgments with our demands that situations and people be different than they are. We cease blaming or making up excuses and reasons for our problems.
4. We see situations and people as they truly are and make our decisions based on current reality, not our hopes that people will change.
5. We become increasingly able to attune and resonate with our internal world – including our thoughts, feelings, and emotions. This ability to go deeply within ourselves decreases our need for either disassociation or external stimulation to relieve emptiness and boredom.
6. We realize that we are not our “minds,” we are not all the teachings that have been put there. We exist beyond these teaching as essence.
7. We develop the will to do the things we know will help us feel stronger, healthier, more alive, and connected to others.
8. We develop the ability to self-soothe and calm ourselves when we are alone or with other people.
9. Our living becomes more congruent with our beliefs.
10. Our relationships become more authentic, trusting, open, and valued.
11. We are able to give and receive care, friendship, and support.
12. We accept the ever-changing nature of all life.The challenge of empowerment.

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] A little more inspiration from Zen
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:52:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Something I came across people struggling with sobriety might find useful?

(yeah, some magic “steps”.. but its not like that, I promise!)
full article: “Zen, Feminism, and Recovery: 16 Steps for Discovery and Empowerment”
http://www.counselormagazine.com/display_article.asp?aid=Zen%20OCTOBER.htm

“We gather together to support each other in healing from addiction. We encourage each person to find their own power, intelligence, and strengths. We are here to support each other, but we do not presume to know what is best for another. We realize that all people unfold in their own way and their own time. We learn from each other and draw strength from seeing the courage of others, yet we keep the focus on ourselves. We listen to each other’s pain, but we also bond in power and joy and encourage everyone to take the necessary steps to live with respect and meaning in their lives. We are open to all possibilities for healing and finding our internal wisdom and power. Yes, we can!”

16 steps for discovery and empowerment

1.We affirm we have the power to take charge of our lives and stop being dependent on substances or other people for our self-esteem and security.
2.We come to believe that we have the ability to develop our inner resources through a process of learning, exploration, daily practice, diligence, self reflection, and supportive relationships with others.
3.We make a decision to become our authentic selves and trust in the healing power of the truth.
4.We examine our beliefs, addictions, and dependent behavior in the context of living in a hierarchal, patriarchal culture.
5.We share with another person all the things inside of us for which we feel shame and guilt.
6.We affirm and enjoy our strengths, talents, and creativity.
7.We become willing to let go of guilt, shame, and any behavior that keeps us from accepting ourselves and others.
8.We make a list of people we have harmed and people who have harmed us, and take steps to clear out negative feelings by making amends and sharing our grievances in a respectful way.
9.We express love and gratitude to others, and increasingly appreciate the wonder of life and the blessings we do have.
10.We continue to trust our reality and daily affirm that we see what we see, we know what we know and we feel what we feel.
11.We promptly acknowledge mistakes and make amends when appropriate, but we do not say we are sorry for things we have not done and we do not cover up, analyze, or take responsibility for the shortcomings of others.
12.We seek out situations, jobs, and people who affirm our intelligence, perceptions, and self-worth and avoid situations or people who are hurtful, harmful, or demeaning to us.
13.We take steps to heal our physical bodies, organize our lives, reduce stress, and have fun.
14. We seek to find our inward calling, and develop the will and wisdom to follow it.
15. We accept that change, loss, death, and re-birth are part of the natural flow of life.
16. We grow in awareness that we are interrelated with all living things, and we contribute to restoring peace and balance on the planet.

On the right path
Here are some fundamental characteristics of human development that lead to resilience, vitality, inner stability, and peace of mind:

1. We move from reliance on external authority to an internal center of resonance and wisdom based on observation, experimentation, and experience.
2. We bring fascination, curiosity, and interest to all aspects of our lives and to relationships. We are comfortable with differences, and are able to reflect on our own feelings, thoughts, and emotional reactions.
3. We take personal responsibility for our internal experience – we realize we create our own feelings of anger, contempt, and judgments with our demands that situations and people be different than they are. We cease blaming or making up excuses and reasons for our problems.
4. We see situations and people as they truly are and make our decisions based on current reality, not our hopes that people will change.
5. We become increasingly able to attune and resonate with our internal world – including our thoughts, feelings, and emotions. This ability to go deeply within ourselves decreases our need for either disassociation or external stimulation to relieve emptiness and boredom.
6. We realize that we are not our “minds,” we are not all the teachings that have been put there. We exist beyond these teaching as essence.
7. We develop the will to do the things we know will help us feel stronger, healthier, more alive, and connected to others.
8. We develop the ability to self-soothe and calm ourselves when we are alone or with other people.
9. Our living becomes more congruent with our beliefs.
10. Our relationships become more authentic, trusting, open, and valued.
11. We are able to give and receive care, friendship, and support.
12. We accept the ever-changing nature of all life.The challenge of empowerment.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd and funny to distract you for a minute
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:43:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh, YOU”VE been talking to little Miss Tinkergiggles now haven’t you??
Watch out, she is spreading this song around the world, and we are all in
danger off having no asses left from having laughed them all off.
I got a good laugh out of “how to dance like a white man” as well….but
sadly Llamas refused to load for me today.
Hoping they be nicer tomorrow….
Could be the sunspots??
Luff n laughter
Kirk xxxxxx
(good to see the list is back in full swing!! :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Boris Leshinsky [mailto:bleshins@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 1:29 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd
and funny to distract you for a minute

that should be
http://gprime.net/flash.php/llamasong

😉

Here is a MUST SEE animation for all you psychonauts.

http://www.shocking.com/~trinity/flashback.swf

The soundtrack is by the most excellent band Shpongle (Simon Posford and
Raja Ram), if anyone particularly likes it. One of my favourite artists!

cheers
Boris

—- tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Bumbling around online, I found this flash animation piece called the
Llama Song.  You can find it and a ton of other things both funny and
not at hhtp://gprime.net.php/llamasong
Call itanother diversionary tactic for the twenty minutes it takes a
craving to go away?Love to you all
tink

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd and funny to distract you for a minute
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:29:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

that should be
http://gprime.net/flash.php/llamasong

😉

Here is a MUST SEE animation for all you psychonauts.

http://www.shocking.com/~trinity/flashback.swf

The soundtrack is by the most excellent band Shpongle (Simon Posford and Raja Ram), if anyone particularly likes it. One of my favourite artists!

cheers
Boris

—- tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Bumbling around online, I found this flash animation piece called the
Llama Song.  You can find it and a ton of other things both funny and
not at hhtp://gprime.net.php/llamasong
Call itanother diversionary tactic for the twenty minutes it takes a
craving to go away?Love to you all
tink

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:14:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Krista,

I think that Patrick and Jeffrey Kamlet and I presented some very interesting
and important information on dose and safety issues.  My presentation that
can be found at http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/ibogaine_forms_dose_regimen.ppt
includes dose studies of Eric Taub and Sara Glatt and others.

Since Jeff is the only doctor providing safety data, you bet I was all eyes
and ears and really thankful for every word he has presented.  But, Jeff is the
first to say that he is a clinician and not a researcher and there are
differences.  His first obligation is the safety of his patient and not the
discovery of new data though he has certainly obtained important information and I and
many others would very much look forward to his publishing but, it is unclear
if he is being allowed to do that as there may be agreements in place that
prohibit him from disclosing certain information.  I haven’t seen the agreements
so I don’t know what he can and cannot disclose but, Jeffrey Kamlet has
recognized his responsibilities as a medical doctor to provide information
beneficial to the safety of ibogaine treated patients.

The original findings for the interactions of opioids and ibogaine were
published by Jurg Schneider and his research group from Ciba in the 1950s along
with some other very interesting studies.  In fact, if you read Hunter Thompson’s
article were he describes then presidential candidate Muskie as taking
ibogaine, you will see that it appears Thompson swiped some of the descriptions
Schneider used for his rats and cats who were given ibogaine and applied them to
Muskie.

SCHNEIDER JA, SIGG EB.  Related Articles, Links
Neuropharmacological studies on ibogaine, an indole alkaloid with
central-stimulant properties.
Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1957 Mar 14;66(3):765-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425258 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

SCHNEIDER JA, RINEHART RK.
Analysis of the cardiovascular action of ibogaine hydrochloride.
Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1957 Mar 1;110(1):92-102. No abstract available.
PMID: 13425751 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

MCARTHUR M, SCHNEIDER JA.
Potentiation action of ibogaine (bogadin TM) on morphine analgesia.
Experientia. 1956 Aug 15;12(8):323-4. No abstract available.
PMID: 13356821 [PubMed – OLDMEDLINE for Pre1966]

Schneider also filed a patent for the use of ibogaine to potentiate morphine
alalgesia # 2,187,623 which I will attach as a pdf file and hope it comes
through. Otherwise there is a great site, where you can get free pdfs of patents,
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/

Getting back to your very good interpretation of what I said in response to
your post to the list, there have been no formal studies of ibogaine and drug
interactions except some relating to the major drugs haviing abuse potential,
morphine, cocaine, alcohol, etc.

Interaction studies between one drug such as ibogaine and psychiatric drugs
generally just never get done.  What you should recall is that all of the
original ibogaine research including major doses, mid level doses and low doses
were all accomplished by drug users and not doctors and then the information was
transferred to the medical community.  Of course the research community
describes this all as anecdotal and not reliable which leaves the drug users to fend
for themselves.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 6:12:49 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com writes:

Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very
excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and opiates
at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave
exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and
when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought all
of this was great.

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why this
isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really means
there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and are
alive and well.
KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the Manual for
ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as  known as one
might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation there is
no data on ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being those persons
with
the greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards the
general
safety of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those persons who
may be
entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with
ibogaine who
are concurrently on other medications have the least medical background
and no real ability to report data though they can provide important
anecdotal
observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose regimens in
the
manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section, certainly,
more
detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that ibogaine like any
other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and the matter
becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no longer have
the
ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so valuable in
demonstrating
ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no longer an
interest in the research community to perform rather straight forward
studies of this kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow to strike
the interest
of researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within the next
three
months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 14, 2005 at 8:49:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jasen,

Good to be out of Oz. I actually read a comparison between addicts and the characters in the Wizard of Oz. We had the corage, the heart, the brians and a way home all alone, we just didn’t the power to chnage was within us, so lloked everywhere on the outside when teally we only need look inside.  Never forgot that, and I actually beleive it.

Great to see you are still on this list of ibonaougts, an I hope doing well/

Pax,
Sean

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 14, 2005 at 8:28:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Seanie baby,

Great to see you back on the list,…with the click of the heels.

love, Jasen.
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane, including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:53:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wait a minute, was I supposed to stop drinking vodka and get off
effexor and zoloft FIRST???

Aren’t you supposed to take a lot of drugs all at once, take ibogaine,
take more drugs, take ibogaine, peel a onion and then light a joint?

Preston, Dana, have you two been lying to me? What ibogaine manual, is
there a website? 😉

Welcome back Morning Wood, did you and Carla B get married finally?

.:vector:.

— Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why
this
isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really
means
there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and
are
alive and well.

KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Krista,

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Activity Intensifies
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:32:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eek hold onto your magnetic fields and be kind to your computer….

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2005 8:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Activity Intensifies

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Solar Activity Intensifies
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 14, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

Solar activity has suddenly increased with a series of strong
explosions from sunspot 786, including an X-category flare this
morning. Because the sunspot is near the sun’s western limb, none of
the blasts was squarely Earth-directed. Nevertheless, coronal mass
ejections hurled into space by these explosions could deliver glancing
blows to Earth’s magnetic field as early as tonight (July 14-15) and
continuing through the weekend, possibly sparking geomagnetic storms
and auroras.  Check spaceweather.com for movies of the explosions,
more information and updates.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: tink going to band,…..
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:31:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhhh system of a down man I just got given their latest album and it roks!!
Me n Zoe were headbanging to BYOB the other day…. heh loads of laughs…
TELL ME ALL ABOUT IT pics if you can get any……
Cheers and JEALOUSIES to you
Kirk :o)

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] thanks : )
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:24:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You all help keep me sober and whatever form of sane
(LOLOLOLOL) that’s manifested itself in me at the moment.

[Capt Kirk]  ROLLS ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING HER ASS OFF

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:11:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the reply Howard, I guess I see your point. I was very
excited by Patrick’s talk and article with ibogaine dosing and opiates
at the same time! That one gave a lot of my friends hope and he gave
exact numbers. I also loved the different dose regimens listed and
when Kamlet listed a lot of the health and safety issues I thought all
of this was great.

Correct me if I’m wrong, what you’re saying is that nobody really
knows what would happen if someone took Zoloft at the same time as
ibogaine, there are doctors who can list theories and reasons why this
isn’t a good idea because they don’t want to get sued and what it
really means is they haven’t done it because it’s eaisier to tell
people to get off it then to be liable for them if something bad
happens. Then since everybody responds differently, which really means
there are probably 5 people on this list who took ibogaine while on
Zoloft, never read the ibogaine manual or any other literature and are
alive and well.

KV

On 7/14/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the Manual for
ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as  known as one
might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation there is no data on
ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being those persons with the
greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards the general safety
of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those persons who may be
entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with ibogaine who
are concurrently on other medications have the least medical background and no
real ability to report data though they can provide important anecdotal
observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose regimens in the
manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section, certainly, more
detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that ibogaine like any
other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and the matter
becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no longer have the
ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so valuable in demonstrating
ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no longer an
interest in the research community to perform rather straight forward studies of this
kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow to strike the interest of
researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within the next three
months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 6:08:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YEAHOO!!!!
have you checked out The End Of The World yet?
muwahahahahaha!!
love ya
and glad you’re smiling!!
tink

On 7/14/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is hilarious in a strange disturbed way, I put it on loop and played it for the last few minutes just laughing my ass off and pissing off coworkers. Imagine them all in their stuffy cloths listening to the llama song continuously drifting over the walls of my cube! One righteous strike at corporate bullshit!..ah..it’s the little things.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:44 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

love ya baby!!
go to www.gprime.net and check out the flash animation-look up The
LLama Song and The End Of The World.  Good giggling for a couple of
minutes…
Keep posting!
love tink

On 7/14/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Tink, you totally rock! 😉

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:39 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Keith (et al.),
I just wanted to send you a a bunch of love and hugs.  I know that
I’ve been in a funk, and it seems as though everything negative has
been somewhat amplified as I try to figure out exactly where it is
that I fit in this weird and wild world of sobriety.  Reading your
posts, and those who’ve responded has helped to lift me a bit, with
the confirmation that I am far from the only one who’s having a rough
time of it.  Not that I didn’t know that to begin with, but one of the
reasons I’m here(on the list) is exactly for that blatantly obvious
“Hello, Mc Fly” knock in the head I get when I read someone else’s
version of what’s going on in my own head at times.
Since my last treatment, I’ve had the worse case of writer’s block
I’ve ever had, not an ounce of artistic ambition seems left at the
moment, and this bothers me more than everything else combined.  I
can’t figure out if it’s me hating everything I do in some
self-sabotaging campaign against success and happiness, or if I really
am just momentarily clogged up in the brain department. Either way,
I’m slogging through it, and not using, which is still amazing to me.
I guess I have to keep reminding myself that the worse day I’ve had
sober, lately, has far out-shined any day I had when I was on that
last run through the streets of Miami.
Like someone esle was saying, I was able to hop on a bus and come to
visit my family with out fear of running out of meds, or missing an
appointment with the suboxone doc, or trying to get take homes from a
clinic, or stocking up on a million bags that’s supposed to last for a
week but never goes past the end of the night.  I’m hanging out with
my little bro, and I’m going to go see System Of a Down with him,
which I never would’ve been able to do had I not gained the freedom to
do so.  As much as I bitch, and as much as I grumble, I’m still
incredibly happy to be exactly where I am.  I’m still in a state of
shock that I made it through all of the crazy shit i put myself
through, and, though I have a hard time doing it sometimes, i try to
remember that life is a gift at this point, for me, any way.  I can’t
BELIEVE that I’m still alive, healthy, and CLEAN (okay, so I smoke
weed, but so what :]).
I really have been handed a second chance(okay, more like a
3,778,836,479 chance-and I fought for it, it wasn’t handed to me), and
I think that I’m kind of stunned at the prospect of actually having
the chance to do something with my life.  I certainly wasn”t
expecting to be around for 2005, and now that I am here,  I feel like
a kid who’s been placed in front of a giant maze, with thousands of
different entrances, and no idea where any of it goes,or how  long
it’ll take to get to this unknown destination. I do know that I
eventually have to choose one of the paths and just go down it. Fear
of the unknown? Maybe. Fear of failure and relapse? Definately.  Fear
of my sober self?  Without a doubt.  And I’m terrified I’m going to
make the wrong choice.
I know that’s ridiculous, and i know that i can always start a new
path if the one I want to take initially doesnt work out, but it’s
unnerving to be living under the microscope of each family member, as
they wait for me to fail again.  Any time I forget to call, or am 15
minutes late, or if-gawd forbid-I actually AM tired, they’re all
convinced that I’m falling back into ‘old behavoirs and crisis mode’
and will be shooting dope with in the hour.  I know they love me and
are justifiably worried, btu it doesn;t make it any easier with all
eyes on me all the time.  It took my mom almost 6 months to not follow
me into any public bathroom, or to pound on the door if I took longer
that 30 seconds.  Sigh. And that was after over a year on methadone.
Any way. I’m rambling on here, and will spare you all any more babble.
Thank you all for being here!  Your honesty and support for each other
and for me has made all the difference in the world for helping me
keep myself clean.
I love you all
tink

On 7/14/05, Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com> wrote:
whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at
times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of
mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more
blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on
things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am
suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I
don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane,
including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I
should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:58:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is hilarious in a strange disturbed way, I put it on loop and played it for the last few minutes just laughing my ass off and pissing off coworkers. Imagine them all in their stuffy cloths listening to the llama song continuously drifting over the walls of my cube! One righteous strike at corporate bullshit!..ah..it’s the little things.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:44 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

love ya baby!!
go to www.gprime.net and check out the flash animation-look up The
LLama Song and The End Of The World.  Good giggling for a couple of
minutes…
Keep posting!
love tink

On 7/14/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Tink, you totally rock! 😉

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:39 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Keith (et al.),
I just wanted to send you a a bunch of love and hugs.  I know that
I’ve been in a funk, and it seems as though everything negative has
been somewhat amplified as I try to figure out exactly where it is
that I fit in this weird and wild world of sobriety.  Reading your
posts, and those who’ve responded has helped to lift me a bit, with
the confirmation that I am far from the only one who’s having a rough
time of it.  Not that I didn’t know that to begin with, but one of the
reasons I’m here(on the list) is exactly for that blatantly obvious
“Hello, Mc Fly” knock in the head I get when I read someone else’s
version of what’s going on in my own head at times.
Since my last treatment, I’ve had the worse case of writer’s block
I’ve ever had, not an ounce of artistic ambition seems left at the
moment, and this bothers me more than everything else combined.  I
can’t figure out if it’s me hating everything I do in some
self-sabotaging campaign against success and happiness, or if I really
am just momentarily clogged up in the brain department. Either way,
I’m slogging through it, and not using, which is still amazing to me.
I guess I have to keep reminding myself that the worse day I’ve had
sober, lately, has far out-shined any day I had when I was on that
last run through the streets of Miami.
Like someone esle was saying, I was able to hop on a bus and come to
visit my family with out fear of running out of meds, or missing an
appointment with the suboxone doc, or trying to get take homes from a
clinic, or stocking up on a million bags that’s supposed to last for a
week but never goes past the end of the night.  I’m hanging out with
my little bro, and I’m going to go see System Of a Down with him,
which I never would’ve been able to do had I not gained the freedom to
do so.  As much as I bitch, and as much as I grumble, I’m still
incredibly happy to be exactly where I am.  I’m still in a state of
shock that I made it through all of the crazy shit i put myself
through, and, though I have a hard time doing it sometimes, i try to
remember that life is a gift at this point, for me, any way.  I can’t
BELIEVE that I’m still alive, healthy, and CLEAN (okay, so I smoke
weed, but so what :]).
I really have been handed a second chance(okay, more like a
3,778,836,479 chance-and I fought for it, it wasn’t handed to me), and
I think that I’m kind of stunned at the prospect of actually having
the chance to do something with my life.  I certainly wasn”t
expecting to be around for 2005, and now that I am here,  I feel like
a kid who’s been placed in front of a giant maze, with thousands of
different entrances, and no idea where any of it goes,or how  long
it’ll take to get to this unknown destination. I do know that I
eventually have to choose one of the paths and just go down it. Fear
of the unknown? Maybe. Fear of failure and relapse? Definately.  Fear
of my sober self?  Without a doubt.  And I’m terrified I’m going to
make the wrong choice.
I know that’s ridiculous, and i know that i can always start a new
path if the one I want to take initially doesnt work out, but it’s
unnerving to be living under the microscope of each family member, as
they wait for me to fail again.  Any time I forget to call, or am 15
minutes late, or if-gawd forbid-I actually AM tired, they’re all
convinced that I’m falling back into ‘old behavoirs and crisis mode’
and will be shooting dope with in the hour.  I know they love me and
are justifiably worried, btu it doesn;t make it any easier with all
eyes on me all the time.  It took my mom almost 6 months to not follow
me into any public bathroom, or to pound on the door if I took longer
that 30 seconds.  Sigh. And that was after over a year on methadone.
Any way. I’m rambling on here, and will spare you all any more babble.
Thank you all for being here!  Your honesty and support for each other
and for me has made all the difference in the world for helping me
keep myself clean.
I love you all
tink

On 7/14/05, Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com> wrote:
whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at
times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of
mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more
blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on
things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am
suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I
don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane,
including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I
should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:53:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 14.07.2005 um 23:46 schrieb tink:

Luck, Love, and Light to you, Irv…
I hope you find what you’r e looking for
love
tink
—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:31 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to get off the list. Too many e-mails and family is finding them.
HOW!

and best wishes to you, dear family of irv, in case you read that! -ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:46:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luck, Love, and Light to you, Irv…
I hope you find what you’r e looking for
love
tink
On 7/14/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

click on this link and read the page, at the bottom you’ll find how to
unsubscribe……..sorry to see you go irv, may peace and light follow you
wherever you wander bro!

Ibogaine List Commands:
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-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:31 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to get off the list. Too many e-mails and family is finding them.
HOW!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] texture metra
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:45:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you!!
How are ya doing, any how?
love tink

On 7/14/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions Newsletter July 2005)
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:20:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What’s new?

1. Trailer ‘IBOGAINE – Rite of Passage’ online
2. Selection ‘IBOGAINE – RoP’ for IFFR
3. ‘IBOGAINE – RoP’ footage used in ‘Carte Blanche’
4. ‘IBOGAINE – RoP’ in the media
—————————————————————————-

1. From now on you can watch the trailer of ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’
on the website. To watch it directly, you can click the following link:
http://www.lunartproductions.com/index.php?id=93

2. ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ is officially selected for the 35th edition
of the International Film Festival Rotterdam, which will take place from
the 25th of January ’till the 5th of February 2006. The film is
selected for the ‘White light’ program which will screen films related
to the theme ‘drugs’. The exact time and date of the screening will
follow.

3. ‘Carte Blanche’ is a lifestyle/investigative program on the South
African television. (For more info: www.carteblance.co.za). They will be
using footage of ‘IBOGAINE-RoP’ for their episode about Ibogaine which
will be broadcasted in the near future. More details on that will follow.

4. The Dutch ‘underground-magazine’ ‘Soft Secrets’ published an
article about the Ibogaine documentary in their new bulletin. Also
‘EssentiE’ will publish a review in their coming edition.

__________________________________________________________________

For more info visit www.lunartproductions.com or email to
info[AT]lunartproductions.com

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: The Devils of Mars
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:44:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 14, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: The Devils of Mars
To: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>

NASA Science News for July 14, 2005

When humans visit Mars, they’ll have to watch out for towering
electrified dust devils.

FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/14jul_dustdevils.htm?list161661

The Science@NASA Podcast feed is available at
http://science.nasa.gov/podcast.xml.

You are currently subscribed to snglist as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

This is a free service.

To unsubscribe click here: http://lyris.msfc.nasa.gov/u?id=161661J&n=T&l=snglist
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:44:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love ya baby!!
go to www.gprime.net and check out the flash animation-look up The
LLama Song and The End Of The World.  Good giggling for a couple of
minutes…
Keep posting!
love tink

On 7/14/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Tink, you totally rock! 😉

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:39 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Keith (et al.),
I just wanted to send you a a bunch of love and hugs.  I know that
I’ve been in a funk, and it seems as though everything negative has
been somewhat amplified as I try to figure out exactly where it is
that I fit in this weird and wild world of sobriety.  Reading your
posts, and those who’ve responded has helped to lift me a bit, with
the confirmation that I am far from the only one who’s having a rough
time of it.  Not that I didn’t know that to begin with, but one of the
reasons I’m here(on the list) is exactly for that blatantly obvious
“Hello, Mc Fly” knock in the head I get when I read someone else’s
version of what’s going on in my own head at times.
Since my last treatment, I’ve had the worse case of writer’s block
I’ve ever had, not an ounce of artistic ambition seems left at the
moment, and this bothers me more than everything else combined.  I
can’t figure out if it’s me hating everything I do in some
self-sabotaging campaign against success and happiness, or if I really
am just momentarily clogged up in the brain department. Either way,
I’m slogging through it, and not using, which is still amazing to me.
I guess I have to keep reminding myself that the worse day I’ve had
sober, lately, has far out-shined any day I had when I was on that
last run through the streets of Miami.
Like someone esle was saying, I was able to hop on a bus and come to
visit my family with out fear of running out of meds, or missing an
appointment with the suboxone doc, or trying to get take homes from a
clinic, or stocking up on a million bags that’s supposed to last for a
week but never goes past the end of the night.  I’m hanging out with
my little bro, and I’m going to go see System Of a Down with him,
which I never would’ve been able to do had I not gained the freedom to
do so.  As much as I bitch, and as much as I grumble, I’m still
incredibly happy to be exactly where I am.  I’m still in a state of
shock that I made it through all of the crazy shit i put myself
through, and, though I have a hard time doing it sometimes, i try to
remember that life is a gift at this point, for me, any way.  I can’t
BELIEVE that I’m still alive, healthy, and CLEAN (okay, so I smoke
weed, but so what :]).
I really have been handed a second chance(okay, more like a
3,778,836,479 chance-and I fought for it, it wasn’t handed to me), and
I think that I’m kind of stunned at the prospect of actually having
the chance to do something with my life.  I certainly wasn”t
expecting to be around for 2005, and now that I am here,  I feel like
a kid who’s been placed in front of a giant maze, with thousands of
different entrances, and no idea where any of it goes,or how  long
it’ll take to get to this unknown destination. I do know that I
eventually have to choose one of the paths and just go down it. Fear
of the unknown? Maybe. Fear of failure and relapse? Definately.  Fear
of my sober self?  Without a doubt.  And I’m terrified I’m going to
make the wrong choice.
I know that’s ridiculous, and i know that i can always start a new
path if the one I want to take initially doesnt work out, but it’s
unnerving to be living under the microscope of each family member, as
they wait for me to fail again.  Any time I forget to call, or am 15
minutes late, or if-gawd forbid-I actually AM tired, they’re all
convinced that I’m falling back into ‘old behavoirs and crisis mode’
and will be shooting dope with in the hour.  I know they love me and
are justifiably worried, btu it doesn;t make it any easier with all
eyes on me all the time.  It took my mom almost 6 months to not follow
me into any public bathroom, or to pound on the door if I took longer
that 30 seconds.  Sigh. And that was after over a year on methadone.
Any way. I’m rambling on here, and will spare you all any more babble.
Thank you all for being here!  Your honesty and support for each other
and for me has made all the difference in the world for helping me
keep myself clean.
I love you all
tink

On 7/14/05, Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com> wrote:
whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at
times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of
mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more
blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on
things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am
suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I
don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane,
including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I
should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:41:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

click on this link and read the page, at the bottom you’ll find how to unsubscribe……..sorry to see you go irv, may peace and light follow you wherever you wander bro!

Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html
-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:31 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need to get off the list. Too many e-mails and family is finding them. HOW!

From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:31:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I need to get off the list. Too many e-mails and family is finding them. HOW!

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] WAY OFF TOPIC for those in need of something absurd and funny to distract you for a minute
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:31:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bumbling around online, I found this flash animation piece called the
Llama Song.  You can find it and a ton of other things both funny and
not at hhtp://gprime.net.php/llamasong
Call itanother diversionary tactic for the twenty minutes it takes a
craving to go away?Love to you all
tink

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 5:18:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tink, you totally rock! 😉

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 11:39 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Keith (et al.),
I just wanted to send you a a bunch of love and hugs.  I know that
I’ve been in a funk, and it seems as though everything negative has
been somewhat amplified as I try to figure out exactly where it is
that I fit in this weird and wild world of sobriety.  Reading your
posts, and those who’ve responded has helped to lift me a bit, with
the confirmation that I am far from the only one who’s having a rough
time of it.  Not that I didn’t know that to begin with, but one of the
reasons I’m here(on the list) is exactly for that blatantly obvious
“Hello, Mc Fly” knock in the head I get when I read someone else’s
version of what’s going on in my own head at times.
Since my last treatment, I’ve had the worse case of writer’s block
I’ve ever had, not an ounce of artistic ambition seems left at the
moment, and this bothers me more than everything else combined.  I
can’t figure out if it’s me hating everything I do in some
self-sabotaging campaign against success and happiness, or if I really
am just momentarily clogged up in the brain department. Either way,
I’m slogging through it, and not using, which is still amazing to me.
I guess I have to keep reminding myself that the worse day I’ve had
sober, lately, has far out-shined any day I had when I was on that
last run through the streets of Miami.
Like someone esle was saying, I was able to hop on a bus and come to
visit my family with out fear of running out of meds, or missing an
appointment with the suboxone doc, or trying to get take homes from a
clinic, or stocking up on a million bags that’s supposed to last for a
week but never goes past the end of the night.  I’m hanging out with
my little bro, and I’m going to go see System Of a Down with him,
which I never would’ve been able to do had I not gained the freedom to
do so.  As much as I bitch, and as much as I grumble, I’m still
incredibly happy to be exactly where I am.  I’m still in a state of
shock that I made it through all of the crazy shit i put myself
through, and, though I have a hard time doing it sometimes, i try to
remember that life is a gift at this point, for me, any way.  I can’t
BELIEVE that I’m still alive, healthy, and CLEAN (okay, so I smoke
weed, but so what :]).
I really have been handed a second chance(okay, more like a
3,778,836,479 chance-and I fought for it, it wasn’t handed to me), and
I think that I’m kind of stunned at the prospect of actually having
the chance to do something with my life.  I certainly wasn”t
expecting to be around for 2005, and now that I am here,  I feel like
a kid who’s been placed in front of a giant maze, with thousands of
different entrances, and no idea where any of it goes,or how  long
it’ll take to get to this unknown destination. I do know that I
eventually have to choose one of the paths and just go down it. Fear
of the unknown? Maybe. Fear of failure and relapse? Definately.  Fear
of my sober self?  Without a doubt.  And I’m terrified I’m going to
make the wrong choice.
I know that’s ridiculous, and i know that i can always start a new
path if the one I want to take initially doesnt work out, but it’s
unnerving to be living under the microscope of each family member, as
they wait for me to fail again.  Any time I forget to call, or am 15
minutes late, or if-gawd forbid-I actually AM tired, they’re all
convinced that I’m falling back into ‘old behavoirs and crisis mode’
and will be shooting dope with in the hour.  I know they love me and
are justifiably worried, btu it doesn;t make it any easier with all
eyes on me all the time.  It took my mom almost 6 months to not follow
me into any public bathroom, or to pound on the door if I took longer
that 30 seconds.  Sigh. And that was after over a year on methadone.
Any way. I’m rambling on here, and will spare you all any more babble.
Thank you all for being here!  Your honesty and support for each other
and for me has made all the difference in the world for helping me
keep myself clean.
I love you all
tink

On 7/14/05, Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com> wrote:
whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at
times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of
mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more
blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on
things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am
suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I
don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane,
including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I
should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] texture metra
Date: July 14, 2005 at 4:58:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.bramblitt.com/gallery.htm
http://www.nebaart.org/2004/artists.htm
http://circuitos.tripod.cl/schem/r99.gif

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love and hugs 🙂

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Yahoo! Mail – Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Activity Intensifies
Date: July 14, 2005 at 4:33:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2005 1:17 PM
Subject: Solar Activity Intensifies
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 14, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

Solar activity has suddenly increased with a series of strong
explosions from sunspot 786, including an X-category flare this
morning. Because the sunspot is near the sun’s western limb, none of
the blasts was squarely Earth-directed. Nevertheless, coronal mass
ejections hurled into space by these explosions could deliver glancing
blows to Earth’s magnetic field as early as tonight (July 14-15) and
continuing through the weekend, possibly sparking geomagnetic storms
and auroras.  Check spaceweather.com for movies of the explosions,
more information and updates.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

To unsubscribe click here:
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 4:20:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Krista,

I have meant to begin the work on the third revision of the Manual for
ibogaine therapy for some time now.  So thanks for the reminder.

The issues of ibogaine and other drug interaction are not as  known as one
might wish.  I would say other, than concern and speculation there is no data on
ibogaine/other drug interaction.  The reason being those persons with the
greatest medical knowledge are making decisions based towards the general safety
of the patient and associated liability issues.  Those persons who may be
entering into the greatest experimentation by treating persons with ibogaine who
are concurrently on other medications have the least medical background and no
real ability to report data though they can provide important anecdotal
observations.

While there is elementary information on low and medium dose regimens in the
manual in the last paragraph of the product identity section, certainly, more
detail can be provided. http://ibogaine.org/manual.html#disproduct

One very important factor to remember in all this is that ibogaine like any
other drug may have distinct effects on any given patient and the matter
becomes more complex if there are other drugs involved.  I no longer have the
ability to initiate preclinical research that would be so valuable in demonstrating
ibogaine/buprenorphine effects for instance and, there is no longer an
interest in the research community to perform rather straight forward studies of this
kind.  It is just too nuts and bolts and narrow to strike the interest of
researchers.

I hope that a revision of the manual will be available within the next three
months.  Hopefully sooner than later.

Howard

In a message dated 7/14/05 2:38:32 PM, krista.vaughan@gmail.com writes:

Howard is the ibogaine manual ever being updated? That is the one main
huge ibogaine FAQ but it’s getting very long in the tooth! There is
nothing in there about what drugs to stop before ibogaine, there is
nothing in there about maintenance and low dosing ibogaine, there’s
nothing in there about different dose regimens and dosing lower over
days of time, there is nothing in there about any of the talks you,
Patrick and Jeff Kamlet gave at the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, which
were the only really new use of ibogaine information that’s come out
in years. None of it is in the ibogaine manual!

Ibogaine.org already has a lot of messages from people here on
mindvox, reprinted there, why don’t you and Patrick at least take the
main pieces of information that have come through here about stoppin
and starting meds and add in the low dosing and maintenance article
that appeared in maps and the safety information that has also come
through here.

It has been brought to my attention that different information is
proprietary or copyrighted, but you and patrick seem to cooperate with
each other and if someone has answered a message and then posted it to
everyone on mindvox, then if its proprieratry or not, if they posted
it to a open list, I don’t see why it can’t be included!

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From: Bart De Bremme <Bart.DeBremme@UGent.be>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Polish ibogaine documentary
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:39:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you,

For ansering me so fast, but I have already a copy of the documentary from Ben
De Loenen. It’s a very good documentary! I’ve also heard from friends that they
have other documentaries of ibogaine: I’m trying to get them!

Best regards

Bart

I don’t know anything about a polish documentary, a really beautiful
ibogaine documentary that covers nearly everything was finished by Ben
Delonen this year.

http://www.ibogainefilm.com/

KV

On 7/14/05, Bart De Bremme <Bart.DeBremme@ugent.be> wrote:
Hello,

I’m a student of the university of ghent and I’m very interested in the
polish
documentary of ibogaine. I make my these (final work) about ibogaine. Is
it
possible to send the documentary to me? I live in Belgium.

Kinds Bart

Hi
I talked to my budy yesterday who was in Poland a few months ago and he
saw a
real good documentary on ibogaine called “nie dowiary” which translates
to
“unbeliavable”
it shows people receviing treatemtns under doctors supervsions etc and
people
talking about their trips.
just wondering if anybody heard of it or seen it….i tell u all how it
is
when i see it

Namaste
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:39:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keith (et al.),
I just wanted to send you a a bunch of love and hugs.  I know that
I’ve been in a funk, and it seems as though everything negative has
been somewhat amplified as I try to figure out exactly where it is
that I fit in this weird and wild world of sobriety.  Reading your
posts, and those who’ve responded has helped to lift me a bit, with
the confirmation that I am far from the only one who’s having a rough
time of it.  Not that I didn’t know that to begin with, but one of the
reasons I’m here(on the list) is exactly for that blatantly obvious
“Hello, Mc Fly” knock in the head I get when I read someone else’s
version of what’s going on in my own head at times.
Since my last treatment, I’ve had the worse case of writer’s block
I’ve ever had, not an ounce of artistic ambition seems left at the
moment, and this bothers me more than everything else combined.  I
can’t figure out if it’s me hating everything I do in some
self-sabotaging campaign against success and happiness, or if I really
am just momentarily clogged up in the brain department. Either way,
I’m slogging through it, and not using, which is still amazing to me.
I guess I have to keep reminding myself that the worse day I’ve had
sober, lately, has far out-shined any day I had when I was on that
last run through the streets of Miami.
Like someone esle was saying, I was able to hop on a bus and come to
visit my family with out fear of running out of meds, or missing an
appointment with the suboxone doc, or trying to get take homes from a
clinic, or stocking up on a million bags that’s supposed to last for a
week but never goes past the end of the night.  I’m hanging out with
my little bro, and I’m going to go see System Of a Down with him,
which I never would’ve been able to do had I not gained the freedom to
do so.  As much as I bitch, and as much as I grumble, I’m still
incredibly happy to be exactly where I am.  I’m still in a state of
shock that I made it through all of the crazy shit i put myself
through, and, though I have a hard time doing it sometimes, i try to
remember that life is a gift at this point, for me, any way.  I can’t
BELIEVE that I’m still alive, healthy, and CLEAN (okay, so I smoke
weed, but so what :]).
I really have been handed a second chance(okay, more like a
3,778,836,479 chance-and I fought for it, it wasn’t handed to me), and
I think that I’m kind of stunned at the prospect of actually having
the chance to do something with my life.  I certainly wasn”t
expecting to be around for 2005, and now that I am here,  I feel like
a kid who’s been placed in front of a giant maze, with thousands of
different entrances, and no idea where any of it goes,or how  long
it’ll take to get to this unknown destination. I do know that I
eventually have to choose one of the paths and just go down it. Fear
of the unknown? Maybe. Fear of failure and relapse? Definately.  Fear
of my sober self?  Without a doubt.  And I’m terrified I’m going to
make the wrong choice.
I know that’s ridiculous, and i know that i can always start a new
path if the one I want to take initially doesnt work out, but it’s
unnerving to be living under the microscope of each family member, as
they wait for me to fail again.  Any time I forget to call, or am 15
minutes late, or if-gawd forbid-I actually AM tired, they’re all
convinced that I’m falling back into ‘old behavoirs and crisis mode’
and will be shooting dope with in the hour.  I know they love me and
are justifiably worried, btu it doesn;t make it any easier with all
eyes on me all the time.  It took my mom almost 6 months to not follow
me into any public bathroom, or to pound on the door if I took longer
that 30 seconds.  Sigh. And that was after over a year on methadone.
Any way. I’m rambling on here, and will spare you all any more babble.
Thank you all for being here!  Your honesty and support for each other
and for me has made all the difference in the world for helping me
keep myself clean.
I love you all
tink

On 7/14/05, Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com> wrote:
whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at
times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of
mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more
blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on
things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am
suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I
don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane,
including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I
should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:37:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A MindVox knowledge base with FAQS would be great! I agree Lorenzo,
there is so much that goes through here and I have missed the first
four years! If some people would help put together faqs of msgs to
this list, it would be helpful. Unfortunately I am another one of
those people who have great ideas that somebody else should do,
because I don’t know how to do anything with computers 🙁

Howard is the ibogaine manual ever being updated? That is the one main
huge ibogaine FAQ but it’s getting very long in the tooth! There is
nothing in there about what drugs to stop before ibogaine, there is
nothing in there about maintenance and low dosing ibogaine, there’s
nothing in there about different dose regimens and dosing lower over
days of time, there is nothing in there about any of the talks you,
Patrick and Jeff Kamlet gave at the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, which
were the only really new use of ibogaine information that’s come out
in years. None of it is in the ibogaine manual!

Ibogaine.org already has a lot of messages from people here on
mindvox, reprinted there, why don’t you and Patrick at least take the
main pieces of information that have come through here about stopping
and starting meds and add in the low dosing and maintenance article
that appeared in maps and the safety information that has also come
through here.

It has been brought to my attention that different information is
proprietary or copyrighted, but you and patrick seem to cooperate with
each other and if someone has answered a message and then posted it to
everyone on mindvox, then if its proprieratry or not, if they posted
it to a open list, I don’t see why it can’t be included!

KV

On 7/14/05, Lorenzo <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com> wrote:
— On Thu 07/14, ekki < ekkijdfg@gmx.de > wrote: From: ekki [mailto:
ekkijdfg@gmx.de] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:05
+0200 Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:

Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication
pre or post Ibo??

no
Yes.

In last 2 years these same questions have been answered here at least 15
times.

Patrick great love to you, in next months when list changes to more formats
would be a great idea to put up knowledge base and more faqs on mindvox.
Would help, since same questions asked here so many times.

Yes also I not only run my mouth, I too have Spotlight and am willing to
help organize and give something back to this place that has given me much,
which makes it simpler for others to find the knowledge that is buried here!

Cheers
Lorenzo

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Polish ibogaine documentary
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:22:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know anything about a polish documentary, a really beautiful
ibogaine documentary that covers nearly everything was finished by Ben
Delonen this year.

http://www.ibogainefilm.com/

KV

On 7/14/05, Bart De Bremme <Bart.DeBremme@ugent.be> wrote:
Hello,

I’m a student of the university of ghent and I’m very interested in the polish
documentary of ibogaine. I make my these (final work) about ibogaine. Is it
possible to send the documentary to me? I live in Belgium.

Kinds Bart

Hi
I talked to my budy yesterday who was in Poland a few months ago and he saw a
real good documentary on ibogaine called “nie dowiary” which translates to
“unbeliavable”
it shows people receviing treatemtns under doctors supervsions etc and people
talking about their trips.
just wondering if anybody heard of it or seen it….i tell u all how it is
when i see it

Namaste
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From: “Lorenzo” <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:15:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— On Thu 07/14, ekki < ekkijdfg@gmx.de > wrote: From: ekki [mailto: ekkijdfg@gmx.de] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:

> Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication
> pre or post Ibo??
>
no
Yes.

In last 2 years these same questions have been answered here at least 15 times.

Patrick great love to you, in next months when list changes to more formats would be a great idea to put up knowledge base and more faqs on mindvox. Would help, since same questions asked here so many times.

Yes also I not only run my mouth, I too have Spotlight and am willing to help organize and give something back to this place that has given me much, which makes it simpler for others to find the knowledge that is buried here!

Cheers
Lorenzo

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From: Bart De Bremme <Bart.DeBremme@UGent.be>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Polish ibogaine documentary
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:07:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello,

I’m a student of the university of ghent and I’m very interested in the polish
documentary of ibogaine. I make my these (final work) about ibogaine. Is it
possible to send the documentary to me? I live in Belgium.

Kinds Bart

Hi
I talked to my budy yesterday who was in Poland a few months ago and he saw a
real good documentary on ibogaine called “nie dowiary” which translates to
“unbeliavable”
it shows people receviing treatemtns under doctors supervsions etc and people
talking about their trips.
just wondering if anybody heard of it or seen it….i tell u all how it is
when i see it

Namaste
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From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:03:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Simple question for you Patrick, you are a truly gifted writer. You have
tremendous breadth of experience with all drugs, not only the destructive ones.
Why did you stop writing?

I know you do public speaking frequently and the ibogaine conferences, you’re
very charismatic and articulate in the ibogaine film, you do interviews, but
aside from the a few articles in hardcopy psychedelics magazines which are
mostly on the topic of science, you have written nothing in almost 2 years.
What happened?

These all show great insight and your own evolution from being on drugs to
being clean. The last four are remarkable and I always show them to anyone who
is trying to stay clean.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/HeroinTimes.html~mainFrame

It’s a shame you stopped completely. Why?

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

I Love the way you write, this is sound advice, thanks bro!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto:digital@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:02:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jeff,

Maybe I should have said reasonbly blaserdly.  Without the mundane, we would not know we have taken a break from it. Kind of like, you don’t know what’s new if you don’t know what’s old.

s

From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:01:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>  I know i was told by more than one people in the know to stop my
> Zoloft before doing Ibogaine
how long before did you stop?
2 weeks at least ws the feeling all around i tapered from 100 fairly quickly….no real noticable effects except for a headache or two..
jeff

On 7/14/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:

> Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication
> pre or post Ibo??
no

>  I know i was told by more than one people in the know to stop my
> Zoloft before doing Ibogaine
how long before did you stop?

> ….i would think the same for any of the anti -d’s…BTW i never
> re-started them post I
cool!

> Jeff
>
ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 1:56:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:

Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication pre or post Ibo??
no

I know i was told by more than one people in the know to stop my Zoloft before doing Ibogaine
how long before did you stop?

….i would think the same for any of the anti -d’s…BTW i never re-started them post I
cool!

Jeff

ekki

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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 1:48:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

whoa  there seanie seanie seanie life is fun at times and still sucks at times ,it is certainly no blast….periods of blasts and periods of mundaeworkadaybullshit punctuated by full on freakouts but way more blastedlyfreakedfuckedbetterorworse than pre-ibo.
sorry about the kidney infection and glad to hear your positive spin on things ..see you soon i hope.
Blastedly Freee
jeff

On 7/14/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane, including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 11:50:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jeff,

Inspiring to hear that life is such a blast for you “clean.”  I am suffering with a kidney infection right now, which is a real drag..but I don’t want to use over it. Good friends are helping to keep me sane, including reconncecting with the freaks of mindvox.

BTW Thank you, thank you, thank you Patrick for the welcome back. Maybe I should be called Seanie three times.

Pax,
Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] thanks : )
Date: July 14, 2005 at 11:50:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Riots and comedy are but symptoms of the times, profoundly revealing.
They betray the psychological tone, the deep uncertainties…and the
striving for something better, plus the fear that nothing would come
of it at all.”
-Dune
I’ve felt a sort of paralysis lately, and haven’t been quite sure
what to do with myself.  I, too, am suffering through the whole, “NOW
what??!” thing, which sort of surprised me. I guess I didn’t realise
how much time and thought went to going to the damned suboxone doc.
The other side of it has been the vast uncertainty of going
forward in a new direction.  I know what to expect when I’m using
(more or less) but have little idea about the whole success thing.
After coming as far as I have, and doing well at it, I don’t know if
I’m spinning in circles because I’m fighting the urge to self sabotage
what I’ve built up so far, or if I’m really kind of directionless.  I
expect it’s a little bit of both, with a bunch of other shit thrown in
for fun.
I suppose the important thing is that I’m NOT using, and even as I
hide out at my father’s, I’m still a hell of a lot better off than I
was a year ago.  I don’t always remember that, wanting the instant
gratification factor in every aspect of my life, to a certain extent.
Thank you all for the reminder of watching for the long view of
things.  It’s frightening how quickly I’ve developed amnesia about
those nifty little facts of a life of addiction.  It never ceases to
amaze and scare me how easy it is to fall back down that rabbit hole.
Knowing that I’m not alone in all of this shit has helped in so many
ways.  You all help keep me sober and whatever form of sane
(LOLOLOLOL) that’s manifested itself in me at the moment.
My love to you all
tink

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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 11:39:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication pre or post Ibo?? I know i was told by more than one people in the know to stop my Zoloft before doing Ibogaine….i would think the same for any of the anti -d’s…BTW i never re-started them post I
Jeff

7/14/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
would be cool to have a database for questions like this and answers.
another thing i´d like to know: ibo after doxipin?
-ekki

Am 13.07.2005 um 10:29 schrieb Marko:

> Hi all,
>
> has anyone been using Effexor XR (venlafaxine hydrochloride) prior to
> IBOgaine? And, what were effects?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marko
>
>
>
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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] In the spirit of posting positive mental images
Date: July 14, 2005 at 11:26:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In my dreams I am ageless, I move with incredible speeds over the surface of the ocean.

I feel the spray of the water but only in the objective way a spirit might feel physical things.

I am filled with inspiration for a timeless existence where wants and fears cannot reach me.

I am not related to anything or tied to any particular spot, just racing through the starry sky,

just above the surface of a never ending canopy of beautiful waters and panoramic fields of waving grass.

….this is for anyone who like me may be stuck inside a sympathetic storm…

(still not as cool as Kirksy’s Japanese….you rock Kirk!)

-Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….
Date: July 14, 2005 at 10:27:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You truly amaze me, this is so coool!

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:25 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….

Hi People,
Try this and see how you feel…. I call it Spiritual Aspirin for the
awesome effect it had on me…… let me know what you get!!!!

Spiritual Aspirin:

You are in a Japanese Garden. It is very beautiful and very still and
peaceful.  In front of you is a circle full of white pebbles. Standing in
the centre of the circle is a wooden block.  Walk into the circle and kneel
before the block, placing your head on it.  A Samurai appears beside you,
holding a sword.  Very slowly and silently the Samurai raises the sword,
brings it down and takes your head off.
What happens, and what do you feel?

Luv KIRK XX

—–Original Message—–
From: Krista Vaughan [mailto:krista.vaughan@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 1:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Thanks for the unique perspective Patric, I needed to laugh instead of
being depressed 🙂

I’m in the same negative space as you Keith if it helps any, I’m
depressed and want to get high right now! Instead I’ll watch TV or do
my nails. Maybe misery does love company or at least knowing it’ll
pass but I still want to get high.

The only difference is I know I won’t.

KV

On 7/13/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 10:25:35 AM EDT
To: <Ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you, I feel better as time passes, I have a strange peaceful vibe going on this morning so I’ll just go with it.

—–Original Message—–
From: Krista Vaughan [mailto:krista.vaughan@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:09 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Thanks for the unique perspective Patric, I needed to laugh instead of
being depressed 🙂

I’m in the same negative space as you Keith if it helps any, I’m
depressed and want to get high right now! Instead I’ll watch TV or do
my nails. Maybe misery does love company or at least knowing it’ll
pass but I still want to get high.

The only difference is I know I won’t.

KV

On 7/13/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 10:06:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I Love the way you write, this is sound advice, thanks bro!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto:digital@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:13 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:54:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan

Am 14.07.2005 um 09:16 schrieb Kirk:

Koan=Meditations?
Yeh I did some classes with this cool English woman….lots of laughs and
amazing experiences in her presence!!
This one in particular was very beneficial for me.. thought others may
benfit… specially considering the many suffering souls out there,…. warm
fuzzies to you all :o)
Kirk xxx

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 14, 2005 at 9:47:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

would be cool to have a database for questions like this and answers.
another thing i´d like to know: ibo after doxipin?
-ekki

Am 13.07.2005 um 10:29 schrieb Marko:

Hi all,

has anyone been using Effexor XR (venlafaxine hydrochloride) prior to
IBOgaine? And, what were effects?

Thank you,

Marko

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….
Date: July 14, 2005 at 3:16:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Koan=Meditations?
Yeh I did some classes with this cool English woman….lots of laughs and
amazing experiences in her presence!!
This one in particular was very beneficial for me.. thought others may
benfit… specially considering the many suffering souls out there,…. warm
fuzzies to you all :o)
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 6:51 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….

very good! there is a whole class of koans in this fashion


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From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….
Date: July 14, 2005 at 2:50:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

very good! there is a whole class of koans in this fashion


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From: Jeff Gallop <jeffgallop@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 14, 2005 at 12:18:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH YES!
I was fond of saying “recovery SUCKS” around here for some time post ibogaine especially when the nor-ibo started slipping…booster schmooster..it hurts i am bored and this ain’t what i wanted or need . my head reeled , my body twinged still, my brain scrambled….What was i thinking i wondered…
I found that the more i did the more i realized i wasn’t doing while on the Methadone…I never wanted to go out to see music except for certain bands i travel for(my passion i guess) and then all of a sudden i started seeing music here in NYC that i never would have before ..and it was FUN..
It made me wonder what i would have been doing all those years if i wasn’t strung out or handcuffed to the clinic…

now almost 8 months later I know it was right. i can travel without any thought about  medications (except the ones i want to )  I have been to more shows and have had so much fun that i never would have. Thing is i sometimes forget that i wouldn’t have been doing these things a year ago…I still marvel at the fact that i am free.
so tho now It ain’t easy and  it aint fun and getting high stills seems the easy answer …. hang tough Kieth time heals
I cannot say enough (again) how reading Patricks comments on Mindvox (and echoed in his reply earlier) about the brain taking a looong time to start firing again kept me going…until then i had only heard “Just hang in there for 3-5 weeks and it will get better”, it did but better from shit is still shit, 6 months later better from shit was better for real.
PAWS  is a bitch but it is a condition that will go away slowly but surly.
Hope this helps…I love this list …..
And hey by the way Rachel and I were out in California for a month or so just getting back last week after hanging in SF and then heading up to the High Sierra Music festival in Quincy….what a time more music than i could possibly see…morning till ,well, morning- with late night shows going till dawn and unexpected jams at all hours  between musicians at campsites on top of RV’s and so many fine amazing folks well it for sure was something i wouldn’t have been able to  do if i was still handcuffed….
Patrick wrote”If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps the message is to find something else to do.”

This rings so  very very true for me, I feel real change a coming!

Just do what you need and think long term ,using dope is the shortest lasting answer there is, it seems to me. It only puts the problems away for a lil while and then it is worse and the spiral can start so easy…

I know this rambled but this is a thread i can get my teeth into  because i so so so relate my brother…..
Also one more time i want to say out loud what a great great pleasure it was to dance with my friend and Iboangel C under the beautiful ceiling of the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco( a former brothel and now amazing music hall) while my psylocybin eyes smiled over at him  as i danced with my sweet sweet angel rachelicious who i will always be indebted to, for with out her those moments you are experiencing now would have been unbearable . She is my true Iboangel along with those others we all might know of.

Freaking Free and Freely
jeff

On 7/13/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

any suggestions?

-Keith

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Try this for your current state of mind….
Date: July 13, 2005 at 10:24:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi People,
Try this and see how you feel…. I call it Spiritual Aspirin for the
awesome effect it had on me…… let me know what you get!!!!

Spiritual Aspirin:

You are in a Japanese Garden. It is very beautiful and very still and
peaceful.  In front of you is a circle full of white pebbles. Standing in
the centre of the circle is a wooden block.  Walk into the circle and kneel
before the block, placing your head on it.  A Samurai appears beside you,
holding a sword.  Very slowly and silently the Samurai raises the sword,
brings it down and takes your head off.
What happens, and what do you feel?

Luv KIRK XX

—–Original Message—–
From: Krista Vaughan [mailto:krista.vaughan@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 1:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

Thanks for the unique perspective Patric, I needed to laugh instead of
being depressed 🙂

I’m in the same negative space as you Keith if it helps any, I’m
depressed and want to get high right now! Instead I’ll watch TV or do
my nails. Maybe misery does love company or at least knowing it’ll
pass but I still want to get high.

The only difference is I know I won’t.

KV

On 7/13/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 9:15:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean, my man it is so good to see you back here with us freaks. I’m looking forward to seeing you next time I’m in the city. Are you up for it? Mabe by next week end. Drop me a line and tell me what you think.    Love and tuna from The Frying Pan           Randy

From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 9:08:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the unique perspective Patric, I needed to laugh instead of
being depressed 🙂

I’m in the same negative space as you Keith if it helps any, I’m
depressed and want to get high right now! Instead I’ll watch TV or do
my nails. Maybe misery does love company or at least knowing it’ll
pass but I still want to get high.

The only difference is I know I won’t.

KV

On 7/13/05, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent
movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively
different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s
like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take
a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s,
etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good,
won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12
months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended
within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is
sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the
sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting
the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps
the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you
can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not
alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word
“problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is:
when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must
learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in
yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today
will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a
rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the
fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who
cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of
other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to
believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts
that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a
great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 7:25:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Keith,

I was expressing very similar thoughts to my therapist.  What will I do now, what am I going to do with my time that I no longer chasing junk.  He suggested pursing whatever activites my heart desires from riding a dirt bike (unlikely) to political activity(in my case more likely.)

Many people do get help from 12 step groups in this regard (I don’t, but some of my friends do.  Religion if that’s your thing. Or atheism. Or movies, hiking, dining out….all the things that were or had disapeared from my life while stoned.

Good luck and please keep posting.
Pax,
Sean

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 7:18:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 13, 2005, at 4:40 PM, UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hello all,

It’s been a while.  My work with a great harm reduction therapist has reached the stage where I felt ready for total abstinence. I kicked for what I hope is the last time (with help from a “booster” of a certain African root:)   Good to see the lsit is still active and that many regualrs are still here.

I want to say that my involvement with the ibo universe has allowed me to contact with some really great human beings.  Caring, compassionate, and hell of a lot of fun to hang out with.
So good to be back.

Welcome back do0d, 3hree times inna row.  *Big Kiss*

Patrick

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 7:17:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Keith
Yah i know what u mean……i use here and there..dont have a habit and can get without no problem but the only time i feel content is when i shoot up…..i wish this feeling would go away …..
i think to stay totally sober u have to look into the future and junkies always live for the moment so its really difuclt
wishing u luck!!

Namaste
Matthew

>From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:09:35 -0700
>
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>
>
>Hey Guys,
>
>(My Current Thoughts)
>
>Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
>A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
>reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
>I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
>a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
>choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
>idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.
>
>This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,
>
>any suggestions?
>
>-Keith
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 7:13:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:09 PM, VanAllen, Keith G. wrote:

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Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

Partially it’s a phase, even if you detoxed with ibogaine, it’ll take a while for your dopamine receptors to repopulate; your d1’s, d2’s, etecetera, are trashed, and all the things that used to feel good, won’t be much fun.  This passes.  Although it can take a solid 6-12 months.

Everything else is… all you mahn.

My life rocks and sucks, in brand new ways.  I am, however, suspended within total insanity most of the time; it keeps me centered out.

Accumulating experience rocks the fuck out.  All experience is sacred.  Stopping to smell the flowers and enjoying the warmth of the sun, is a different vibrational range than dodging cops and visiting the ghettos of planet Earth.

If you’re an accountant, and bored off your ass when sober.  Perhaps the message is to find something else to do.

Life is whatchoo make it (and if you make it death, well then, you can rest your soul).  No, wait, Andrew Wood already said that.

If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone.  You are so not alone, that your problem; erm, no, we don’t like to use the word “problem” your SITUATION has an acronym called PAWS.

PAWS = Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome.  Basically, what it means is: when you run out of drugs, you have the urge to get more.  Imagine!!!

Welcome to da hyooman raCe.

This is solid advice:

On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:18 PM, darkmattersfo@comcast.net wrote:

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

any suggestions?

Rob a liquor store while totally sober!!!!@#!!  That’ll kickstart a rush!

No, wait, I didn’t say that.  Ignore that advice.

Patrick

p.s., Yeah…  I understand.  My thoughts for a while were, what the fuck do people do when they’re not on drugs?  I don’t get it.  Who cares about all this other shit.

I went skydiving.  It wuz fun.  As time went by, I found lots of other things to do.

You gotta DO STUFF though, because no matter what else you choose to believe, follow, or want to accomplish.  All the time/energy/thoughts that went into thinking about/chasing/doing drugs … have left a great big black hole.  Fill it up with OTHER STUFF.

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 6:25:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Mathew. I understand it may take awhile to taste again, and yes it is very difficult knowing I will never **(cringing while I type “never”)** experience life the same way I did.

-Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:18 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts

I can only reply for myself.

After I quit using I didn’t have the social relationships (twisted as they were) from when I was using. Suddenly, alot of the stuff I had been avoiding was unavoidable and I wanted to run back into use to hide from them.

As time progresses, I have a little more life, a little more hope, a little more “flavor” out of life. It will never reach the intensity of the life I experienced when I was using and thats difficult for me to get used to. But as I get my energy back even the banal sometimes seems a little pleasant.

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

Namaste
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>
> Hey Guys,
>
> (My Current Thoughts)
>
> Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
> A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
> reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
> I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
> a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
> choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
> idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.
>
> This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,
>
> any suggestions?
>
> -Keith
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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 6:18:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can only reply for myself.

After I quit using I didn’t have the social relationships (twisted as they were) from when I was using. Suddenly, alot of the stuff I had been avoiding was unavoidable and I wanted to run back into use to hide from them.

As time progresses, I have a little more life, a little more hope, a little more “flavor” out of life. It will never reach the intensity of the life I experienced when I was using and thats difficult for me to get used to. But as I get my energy back even the banal sometimes seems a little pleasant.

For me, there is a wall or fence of boredom and banality I must learn to be with for a while, then crawl over. Have faith in yourself that you can live through it and the life you have today will not be the life you have in 12, 6 or even three months.

Namaste
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>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> (My Current Thoughts)
>
> Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
> A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
> reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
> I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
> a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
> choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
> idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.
>
> This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,
>
> any suggestions?
>
> -Keith
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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Some negative thoughts
Date: July 13, 2005 at 6:09:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

<!– >>>>>>>>Negative comment alert<<<<<<<<< –>

Hey Guys,

(My Current Thoughts)

Staying clean is like learning to appreciate the world of silent movies.
A lot of people may describe it as liberating but for some unknown
reason my particular semantic priming chip seems cognitively different.
I can’t stand the feeling of emptiness brought on by sobriety. It’s like
a really dreadful weightless diet, everyone knows it’s not a lifestyle
choice, just a quixotic stab at a more healthy life. I can’t shake the
idea that the clock ticks away, counting down until my next run.

This is pretty dreadful feeling and probably just a stage of w/d,

any suggestions?

-Keith

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:45:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:40:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,

It’s been a while.  My work with a great harm reduction therapist has reached the stage where I felt ready for total abstinence. I kicked for what I hope is the last time (with help from a “booster” of a certain African root:)   Good to see the lsit is still active and that many regualrs are still here.

I want to say that my involvement with the ibo universe has allowed me to contact with some really great human beings.  Caring, compassionate, and hell of a lot of fun to hang out with.
So good to be back.

Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:44:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:40:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,

It’s been a while.  My work with a great harm reduction therapist has reached the stage where I felt ready for total abstinence. I kicked for what I hope is the last time (with help from a “booster” of a certain African root:)   Good to see the lsit is still active and that many regualrs are still here.

I want to say that my involvement with the ibo universe has allowed me to contact with some really great human beings.  Caring, compassionate, and hell of a lot of fun to hang out with.
So good to be back.

Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] good to be back here
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:40:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,

It’s been a while.  My work with a great harm reduction therapist has reached the stage where I felt ready for total abstinence. I kicked for what I hope is the last time (with help from a “booster” of a certain African root:)   Good to see the lsit is still active and that many regualrs are still here.

I want to say that my involvement with the ibo universe has allowed me to contact with some really great human beings.  Caring, compassionate, and hell of a lot of fun to hang out with.
So good to be back.

Sean

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:14:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Their indication is for depression.take with food. for worsening
depresession, suicidality during initial mos of  tratamiento.}
thank you
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Marko” <marko@mindvox.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:29 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Hi all,

has anyone been using Effexor XR (venlafaxine hydrochloride) prior to
IBOgaine? And, what were effects?

Thank you,

Marko

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [mmj4cp] New abuse of prescription opioids among teens is …
Date: July 13, 2005 at 1:50:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/13/05 11:27:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

,

Well big fuckin’ DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I’ve been saying this shit for about a year now. People can’t smoke pot  and they go straight to the narcotics because they are easiest to get and they are the most effective. See it in the work force too, where you can get fired for smoking pot but if you can come up with an old script for vics or something maybe percs, eat all the narcotics you want. The insurance companies don’t mind that.      Who said life had to logical?          Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [mmj4cp] New abuse of prescription opioids among teens is up an astounding 542 percent!
Date: July 13, 2005 at 11:26:54 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “RICHARD MULLER” <richard_muller@sbcglobal.net>
To: <asa-sf@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-nc@lists.riseup.net>; <mmj4cp@lists.riseup.net>; <asa-la@lists.riseup.net>; <camjp@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: [mmj4cp] New abuse of prescription opioids among teens is up an astounding 542 percent!

This is the result of all those anti-marijuana
commercials.  This should be just right if you own
Pharmacutical stocks. Our nations Drug policy is hard
at work.

Richard

reuters
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050707/hl_nm/addiction_dc
US prescription drug abusers top 15 million- study
Thu Jul 7, 8:59 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The number of Americans who
admit abusing prescription drugs nearly doubled to
over 15 million from 1992 to 2003, with abuse among
teens tripling, according to a new study released on
Thursday.

The report by the National Center on Addiction and
Substance Abuse at Columbia University suggested that
more Americans were abusing controlled prescription
drugs than cocaine, hallucinogens, inhalants and
heroin combined.

“Our nation is in the throes of an epidemic of
controlled prescription drug abuse and addiction,”
said former health secretary Joseph Califano, chairman
and founder of the Center.

“New abuse of prescription opioids among teens is up
an astounding 542 percent,” Califano said. “The
explosion in the prescription of addictive opioids,
depressants and stimulants has, for many children,
made the medicine cabinet a greater temptation and
threat than the illegal street drug dealer, as some
parents have become unwitting and passive pushers.”

The report was based on surveys of doctors and
pharmacists, personal interviews and focus groups and
analysis of national household surveys and census
data.

The report said hundreds of Web sites advertised and
sold controlled drugs, often without prescription and
without regard to age so that teens and children could
easily get them.

The substances most likely to be abused were opioids,
or pain relievers like OxyContin or Vicodin; central
nervous system depressants such as Valium or Xanax;
stimulants including Ritalin or Adderall and
anabolic-androgenic steroids like Anadrol or
Equipoise.

“The problem can be seen in every stage of life: rich
and poor, old and young, teens partying or cramming
for exams, stressed executives, women juggling the
challenges of work and care-giving, seniors struggling
with illness and loss, the mentally ill searching for
relief, movie stars, rock musicians and athletes,” the
report said.

It found that between 1992 and 2002, prescriptions
written for controlled drugs increased more than 150
percent while the number of people abusing them rose
seven times faster than the U.S. population.

In 2003, 2.3 million 12- to 17-year-olds — almost one
in 10 — abused least one controlled prescription
drug. Girls were more likely than boys to be abusers.

Teens who abused drugs were twice as likely to use
alcohol, five times as likely to use marijuana, 12
times likelier to use heroin and 21 times likelier to
use cocaine than teens who did not abuse such drugs.

The report also found that in 2002, controlled drugs
were implicated in almost 30 percent of drug-related
emergency room deaths while the number of prescription
drug emergency room mentions in hospital logs
increased by nearly 80 percent.

Law enforcement officials around the country have been
wrestling with an epidemic of prescription drug abuse,
especially of powerful pain killers like OxyContin,
popularly known as “hillbilly heroin.”

The report found a 140 percent rise in self-reported
abuse of such pain killers from 1992 to 2003,
disproportionately concentrated in the south and west
of the country.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…
Date: July 13, 2005 at 10:46:11 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Chris Hunter [mailto:abductmeplease@hotmail.com]
Sent: 12 July 2005 21:37
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the
answer to this…

How do you set up a new topic?

HI people just some thoughts – and a ramble

I wonder if people are aware of the National Treatment Agency
(NTA) here in
the UK?  This is a government health authority set up to look at
substance
misuse services. Their slogan is more treatment, better treatment, fairer
treatment familiar? They set this system up called the models of
care – its
looks at existing services breaks them down into tiers such as 1, 2, 3, 4
typically tier one is GP, tier two voluntary sector counselling/ advice/
drop in, counselling type stuff. Tier three where I work is statutory
specialist agency’ typically the folk that have the funding for
in patient
detox and res rehab etc. Then tier 4a, which is detox, and rehab
then tier
4b specialist stuff such as liver units etc.

The NTA have set various targets that agencies must meet to
secure ongoing
funding. One of the main targets is waiting times. They say that from
initial assessment an individual must be in treatment within 3 weeks (one
week if your in the criminal justice system) treatment usually means
methadone, subutex res rehab etc. The models of care only deals with
illicit, usually class A drugs users. This leaves the folk battling with
societies favourite drug – alcohol pissing in the wind. They are
developing
models of care for alcohol too- probs 3 years before any money
comes though.

The agency I work for offer 4 clinics appointment each week with 5 people
booked in each. The assessments take approx 30 mins and are aimed at
gathering information only, hopefully leading to a referral to
the relevant
service at the end. If you are already in the criminal justice system or
have tested positive whilst in custody this means that you are
likely to get
a script within 1 week. If you’re out grafting day and night but haven’t
been caught yet you could be waiting up to 8 months. If you are screwing
yourself over with alcohol then you will wait even longer – Think back to
the afore mentioned targets! A joke? I think so just not funny
for the folk
literally dying waiting- each agency has to submit data to the
NTA which on
the face of it look like we are hitting the targets when in fact
they are no
were near that – as with most things statistics can be made to fit the
fattest of lies.

I wonder what other nations have in comparison to this can you shed any
light good people? –

Methadone and the likes while I’m sure helps some folk just seems
to me to
be a money making scam designed to turn folk in to more secure
addicts quite
happy to plug into the system and if their really lucky get meaningless
employment and add to the cogs of the this so called life. Come
to think of
it what is meaningful employment?? Are we all not working-
usually for more
of our lives than not – breaking our backs to maybe reach the
dizzy heights
of mass debt of house, car, credit card hell. Why and how did
this happen –
People are starving and dying left right and centre and the
system appears
to be stamping its mark everywhere – how did the minority create soo many
slaves of the majority? Do we really get that much pleasure out
of gadgets
and gismos while forgetting about the splendour of the earth??
Each other –
and ourselves –

It seems that proper research into ibogaine is hampered as it
might actually
help people – man that hurts – churn out the bullshit medical
wand of hell
tablets onto everyone and stuff the plants and things of the earth that
really help? Care, love beauty everything has a bloody price tag attached
and if it hasn’t we don’t want to know –

Surly we as intelligent beings of earth can create something that
includes
and loves us all?? Before we just disappear up our own arses like
the fools
we seem desperate to be.

Any thoughts and ideas on a complete system change would be
lovely to read??

Much love-

Chris

Hi Chris,

Many thanks for sharing so eloquently, particularly from your experience of
working for the Agency. My feeling is that there are already many paradigms
for how things could be better but getting there takes a while.

About ibogaine research being hampered because it “might actually help
people” – that was also my opinion a few years back but it isn’t any more.
The main people who might develop ibogaine – the pharmaceutical
corporations – aren’t interested, not because it might work, but because the
drug simply, on the face of it, does not offer the financial returns they
need to justify developing it. R&D costs are massive as you probably know.
Patent options are highly limited and the drug is not a maintenance
medication – these 2 factors alone place it right outside the box the pharm
companies look in. Add to that that the drug is psychoactive and you can
more or less forget about it. They have shareholders, and these shareholders
have legally-protected rights to ensure the company does not put their money
in things which offer little hope of return. A drugs company is a company
first and foremost.

Theoretically, “orphan drug legislation” could be utilized to give a drug
company financial incentives to develop ibogaine, but this hasn’t happened
yet either. Maybe a company will take it up, I recall an Italian company
thinking about it a few years back. In addition, government could
theoretically step in and offer further incentives to a corporation to
develop ibogaine because of all the potential financial savings other
agencies could make from it becoming available – crime prevention, etc.
Realistically, the chances of an unprecendented action of this magnitude is
pretty fucking tiny, I’d say.

These options aside, it’s a long process of waiting for local DDU’s and
similar to pick up ibogaine and to start to use it in limited detox projects
and then write up the results for other local gov drugs agencies to pick up
on. There is actually movement in this direction, even in the UK.

So, I figure ibogaine makes slow progress hampered by several factors –
firstly, growing awareness that the drug actually IS quite a lot more
dangerous than believed, say, 5 years ago. And, secondly, from Peter Cohen
and his user rights group who assert that drug use is not a problem but
rather the right of the individual, and thus not something that needs
“treating” in any way.

Yeah, the world could be a lot better. That’s the challenge – to actualize
that.

Nick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [DrugWar] Let a Thousand Licensed Poppies Bloom
Date: July 13, 2005 at 10:18:17 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: drugwar@mindvox.com

Let a Thousand Licensed Poppies Bloom

By MAIA SZALAVITZ
Published: July 13, 2005
EVEN as Afghanistan’s immense opium harvest feeds lawlessness and instability, finances terrorism and fuels heroin addiction, the developing world is experiencing a severe shortage of opium-derived pain medications, according to the World Health Organization. Developing countries are home to 80 percent of the world’s population, but they consume just 6 percent of the medical opioids. In those countries, most people with cancer, AIDS and other painful conditions live and die in agony.

The United States wants Afghanistan to destroy its potentially merciful crop, which has increased sevenfold since 2002 and now constitutes 60 percent of the country’s gross domestic product. But why not bolster the country’s stability and end both the pain and the trafficking problems by licensing Afghanistan with the International Narcotics Control Board to sell its opium legally?
The Senlis Council, a European drug-policy research institution, has proposed this truly winning solution. Adopting it would improve the Afghan economy, deprive terrorists of income and keep heroin away from dealers and addicts, all while offering pain relief to the third world.
The United Nations estimated that Afghanistan produced more than 4,200 tons of opium last year; cultivation jumped to 323,701 acres from 197,680 acres in 2003. Ten percent of the Afghan population is believed to be involved in the trade, which supplies nearly 90 percent of the world’s illegal heroin. Clearly, this drug war is not being won.
The global pain crisis is just as daunting. The World Health Organization has said that opioids are “absolutely necessary” for treating severe pain. But half the world’s countries use them only rarely if at all even for the dying, and even though research shows that addiction is exceedingly uncommon among pain patients without a history of it.
Here in the United States, only half of all dying patients receive adequate relief, and those suffering from chronic non-cancer pain are even more likely to be undermedicated. Senlis estimates that meeting the global need for pain medications would require 10,000 tons of opium a year – more than twice Afghanistan’s current production.
This shortfall is in part attributable to misguided regulation. Restrictions aimed at preventing diversion to the illegal market are so severe that in some countries, medical use of opioids is practically prohibited. Often, the rich retain access to expensive synthetic opioids like OxyContin, while those who cannot afford brand-name drugs receive no treatment at all. Generic morphine and codeine, made from Afghan opium, could help.
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Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…
Date: July 13, 2005 at 9:15:50 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Glad your back bud!
—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:39 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

To anyone that cares………….if anyone does…. I don’t, really, lol… new server up n running….email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see I guess…………..no such thing as NO Problems when it comes to computers AND the internet… but am with a much better outfit now than Fuckwitnet…………thanks Patrick for trying to help….. glad you got a glimpse of the struggle I had just trying to get a reply!!!!!! Lol so yeh cheers heaps for that…..you’re the best!

Look forward to chatting wit chas all :o)

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
KIRK XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Tink?
Date: July 13, 2005 at 9:14:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sorry about your friend Tink.
Big Hugs to ya!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:55 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Tink?

hey there
long week here-lost a friend to liver failure,  and am hiding out at
my dad’s house for the interim. I’m okay, just a bit on the down side.
At least I’m near the beach (in ogunquit, ME).  Trying to figure out
what i’m going to do next…I think VT is bad for me, and my roommate
started selling oxy’s just before i left, so enough of that bullshit.
Anyway, just thought I’d let you know that I’m still alright, just on
sabbatical from VT ;]
I’ll write you a real email later on.  After coffee in massive doses!
love
tink

On 7/10/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

Tink?

How are you?

-Keith

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…
Date: July 13, 2005 at 8:49:10 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk, I love ya, and I’m glad you are back. Please make me laugh again.      Randy    PS I need it

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 13, 2005 at 8:47:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, I think you are just the guy to check this out for us. Send report when you can. Love to you my brother            Randy

From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 13, 2005 at 4:29:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

has anyone been using Effexor XR (venlafaxine hydrochloride) prior to
IBOgaine? And, what were effects?

Thank you,

Marko

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] dune
Date: July 12, 2005 at 9:10:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as
numbers increase.  This is as true of humans in the finite space of a
planetary ecosystem as it is of gas molecules in a sealed flask.  The
human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system,
but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.”
-Pardot Kynes, First Planetologist of Arrakis

love
tink

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Polish ibogaine documentary
Date: July 12, 2005 at 7:09:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi
I talked to my budy yesterday who was in Poland a few months ago and he saw a real good documentary on ibogaine called “nie dowiary” which translates to “unbeliavable”
it shows people receviing treatemtns under doctors supervsions etc and people talking about their trips.
just wondering if anybody heard of it or seen it….i tell u all how it is when i see it
Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Chris Hunter” <abductmeplease@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…
Date: July 12, 2005 at 4:37:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How do you set up a new topic?

HI people just some thoughts – and a ramble

I wonder if people are aware of the National Treatment Agency (NTA) here in the UK?  This is a government health authority set up to look at substance misuse services. Their slogan is more treatment, better treatment, fairer treatment familiar? They set this system up called the models of care – its looks at existing services breaks them down into tiers such as 1, 2, 3, 4 typically tier one is GP, tier two voluntary sector counselling/ advice/ drop in, counselling type stuff. Tier three where I work is statutory specialist agency’ typically the folk that have the funding for in patient detox and res rehab etc. Then tier 4a, which is detox, and rehab then tier 4b specialist stuff such as liver units etc.

The NTA have set various targets that agencies must meet to secure ongoing funding. One of the main targets is waiting times. They say that from initial assessment an individual must be in treatment within 3 weeks (one week if your in the criminal justice system) treatment usually means methadone, subutex res rehab etc. The models of care only deals with illicit, usually class A drugs users. This leaves the folk battling with societies favourite drug – alcohol pissing in the wind. They are developing models of care for alcohol too- probs 3 years before any money comes though.

The agency I work for offer 4 clinics appointment each week with 5 people booked in each. The assessments take approx 30 mins and are aimed at gathering information only, hopefully leading to a referral to the relevant service at the end. If you are already in the criminal justice system or have tested positive whilst in custody this means that you are likely to get a script within 1 week. If you’re out grafting day and night but haven’t been caught yet you could be waiting up to 8 months. If you are screwing yourself over with alcohol then you will wait even longer – Think back to the afore mentioned targets! A joke? I think so just not funny for the folk literally dying waiting- each agency has to submit data to the NTA which on the face of it look like we are hitting the targets when in fact they are no were near that – as with most things statistics can be made to fit the fattest of lies.

I wonder what other nations have in comparison to this can you shed any light good people? –

Methadone and the likes while I’m sure helps some folk just seems to me to be a money making scam designed to turn folk in to more secure addicts quite happy to plug into the system and if their really lucky get meaningless employment and add to the cogs of the this so called life. Come to think of it what is meaningful employment?? Are we all not working- usually for more of our lives than not – breaking our backs to maybe reach the dizzy heights of mass debt of house, car, credit card hell. Why and how did this happen – People are starving and dying left right and centre and the system appears to be stamping its mark everywhere – how did the minority create soo many slaves of the majority? Do we really get that much pleasure out of gadgets and gismos while forgetting about the splendour of the earth?? Each other – and ourselves –

It seems that proper research into ibogaine is hampered as it might actually help people – man that hurts – churn out the bullshit medical wand of hell tablets onto everyone and stuff the plants and things of the earth that really help? Care, love beauty everything has a bloody price tag attached and if it hasn’t we don’t want to know –

Surly we as intelligent beings of earth can create something that includes and loves us all?? Before we just disappear up our own arses like the fools we seem desperate to be.

Any thoughts and ideas on a complete system change would be lovely to read??

Much love-

Chris

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:20:38 -0400

Max asked >What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?<

Wanted? I’m not actually sure he’s exactly “wanted” for trafficking, but I do know he’s barred from entering Costa Rica, or at least was for quite some time, supposedly for life last I heard and as near as best I could find out when writing the article just below this brief excerpt by Celerino Castillo (most typos you find when reading my article were fixed before publishing, so please refrain from writing to tell me about this or that typo- it was published almost a year ago now)..

http://www.reconsider.org/tidbits/2003-03-10__Ollie’s%20Contra-band_.htm

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In July of 1989, Costa Rica officially declared that Oliver L. North and other Americans were barred from the country because they were part of “an organization made up of Panamanians, Colombians, Costa Ricans, and citizens of other nationalities who dedicated themselves to international cocaine trafficking.”

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Lots more at the above URL, OR, you can read the following story I published in my book for the Disinformation Company (www.disinfo.com), “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs. ”

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Oliver North – Still In Denial

By Preston Peet

Former U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North appeared on the FOX network’s news program Hannity and Colmes on February 25, 2004 and boldly declared “The fact is nobody in the government of the United States, going all the way back to the earliest days of this under Jimmy Carter, ever had anything to do with running drugs to support the Nicaraguan resistance. Nobody in the government of the United States. I will stand on that to my grave.”

With this incredible statement, North was responding to statements by U.S. Presidential candidate John Kerry (D- Massachusetts), on his campaign website, that in the 1980s Sen. Kerry had helped hold Oliver North “accountable” for his actions while illegally assisting the Nicaraguan Contras wage their war. North told hosts Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes that Kerry was “wrong,” that Kerry “makes this stuff up and then he can’t justify it,” specifically talking about the December, 1988 report titled Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, prepared and released by the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations, chaired by Sen. Kerry. The Kerry Committee investigated allegations that North, hired to work in President Ronald Reagan’s National Security Council in 1981, and compatriots in the NSC had been funding, arming and training the Contras in contravention of the Boland Agreement, in part by illegally selling missiles to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the Contra war, and in part by working with known drug traffickers in Contra supply operations.

“Oliver North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran-Contra charges,” reported former DEA agent and decorated veteran Celerino Castillo in a March 8, 2003 article for ReconsiDer.org, protesting an appearance by North at a Salvation Army fundraising event near Castillo’s home in Texas. “After deliberating for 64 hours over a 12-day period, the jury on May 6, 1989 returned a verdict of guilty on three counts which included: (1) aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, (2) shredding and altering official documents, and (3) accepting an illegal gratuity from General Richard V. Secord. Judge Gesell sentenced North on July 05, 1989 to two years probation, $150,000. in fines and 1,200 hours community service..North’s convictions were vacated on July 20, 1990 after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.” In other words, North was convicted of some charges, such as shredding much of the evidence, but got off on a technicality. North was never tried nor even charged with drug trafficking, (at least not in the U.S.- but he is barred from ever entering Costa Rica due to drug trafficking charges, along with Gen. Secord, and others) even though he enabled the trafficking of literally tons of drugs into the United States while the U.S. was busy ratcheting up the domestic War on Some Drugs and Users.

The actions Sen. Kerry is proud of investigating and subsequently holding North accountable for never included any allegations that North or anyone else in the U.S. government was directly dealing or trafficking drugs, (although there are instances on public record of active CIA agents, not merely assets, trafficking drugs into the U.S., just not in the Kerry Report) or using drug proceeds to fund the Contra war, only that North and others had not reported allegations and knowledge of drug running by certain Contra supporters and U.S. government and intelligence assets.

In one instance described in the Kerry Report, North directly intervened to help obtain a lenient prison sentence at Eglin Air Force Base federal prison camp in Florida for former Honduran general José Bueso Rosa, to help keep Bueso quiet about NSC-supported illegal covert Contra supply missions Bueso had been involved with. The U.S. Justice Department called the Bueso Rosa case the “most significant case of narco-terrorism yet discovered,” as Bueso had been plotting to use the proceeds from a 345 pound cocaine shipment estimated by federal agents to be worth $40 million, intercepted on October 28, 1984 in Florida by the FBI, to assassinate Honduran President Roberto Suazo Córdoba.

North also claimed in an email message to Admiral John Poindexter on August 23, 1986, to have a “fairly good relationship” with Panamanian President and friend to drug traffickers Manual Noriega, when urging that the U.S. government work to help repair Noriega’s image in the U.S. press. Poindexter wrote back, saying he had nothing against Noriega except for his “illegal activities.” The New York Times had already at that point exposed Noriega’s extensive ties to international drug trafficking, yet North still wanted to pay Noriega $1 million out of “Project Democracy” money, raised from the illegal sale of U.S. arms to Iran, to enlist Noriega’s help in sabotaging Sandinista facilities.

The Subcommittee report, also known as the Kerry Committee Report, lists on pages 146-147, 15 entries from notebooks filled with Oliver North’s own handwriting, detailing drug connections to operations which were supporting the Contras. These included references to arms in Honduras intended for the Contras which had initially been financed with $14 million in drug profits, according to a message from Secord to North, and direct knowledge of planes flying supplies south to the Contras that were returning to the U.S. full of drugs. “Numerous other entries contain references to individuals or events which Subcommittee staff has determined have relevance to narcotics, terrorism or international operations,” notes the Kerry Report, “but whose ambiguities cannot be resolved without the production of the deleted materials by North and his attorneys. Accordingly, the Subcommittee continues to believe that the production of the deleted material could shed important light on a number of issues in connections with foreign policy, law enforcement and narcotics and terrorism.” The 15 surviving entries taken directly from North’s diaries and listed by the Kerry Report, as transcribed by the National Security Archive, an extensive online repository of declassified U.S. government documents, are as follows:
May 12, 1984.contract indicates that Gustavo is involved w/ drugs. (Q0266)
June 26, 1984. DEA- (followed by two blocks of text deleted by North) (Q0349)
June 27, 1984. Drug Case – DEA program on controlling cocaine- Ether cutoff- Colombians readjusting- possible negotiations to move on refining effort to Nicaragua- Pablo Escobar-Colombian drug czar- Informant (Pilot) is indicted criminal- Carlos Ledher- Freddy Vaughn (Q0354)
July 9, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Call from Clarridge- Call Michel re Narco Issue- RIG at 1000 Tomorrow (Q0384)- DEA Miami- Pilot went talked to Vaughn- wanted A/C to go to Bolivia to p/u paste- want A/C to p/u 1500 kilos- Bud to meet w/ Group (Q0385)
July 12, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Gen. Gorman-*Include Drug Case (Q0400) Call from Johnstone- (White House deletion) leak on Drug (0402)
July 17, 1984. Call to Frank M- Bud Mullins Re- leak on DEA piece- Carlton Turner (Q0418) Call from Johnstone- McManus, LA Times-says/NSC source claims W.H. has pictures of Borge loading cocaine in Nic. (Q0416)
July 20, 1984. Call from Clarridge:-Alfredo Cesar Re Drugs-Borge/Owen leave Hull alone (Deletions)/Los Brasiles Air Field-Owen off Hull (Q0426)
July 27, 1984. Clarridge:-(Block of White House deleted text follows)-Arturo Cruz, Jr.-Get Alfredo Cesar on Drugs (Q0450)
July 31, 1984. -Finance: Libya- Cuba/Bloc Countries-Drugs. . . Pablo Escobar/Federic Vaughn (Q0460)
July 31, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Staff queries re (White House deletion) role in DEA operations in Nicaragua (Q0461)
December 21, 1984. Call from Clarridge: Ferch (White House deletion)- Tambs- Costa Rica- Felix Rodriguez close to (White House deletion)- not assoc. W/Villoldo- Bay of Pigs- No drugs (Q0922)
January 14, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs (Q1039)
July 12, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs
August 10, 1985. Mtg w/ A.C.- name of DEA person in New Orleans re Bust on Mario/ DC-6 (Q1140)
February 27, 1986. Mtg w/ Lew Tambs- DEA Auction A/C seized as drug runners.- $250-260K fee (Q2027)

One might wonder what relevance these events of some 20 years ago and more have today, or why anyone who is against the whole idea of a War on Some Drugs and Users should be bothered in the first place by officially sanctioned drug trafficking. It isn’t the officially sanctioned drug running itself that is particularly galling – it’s the fact that millions of people’s lives were turned into living hell for daring to buy and use the very drugs that the U.S. government, through it’s assets, agents and officials like Oliver North, were busy assuring entered the U.S. by the ton.

There’s also the whole troubling aspect of the current War on Terror and the variety of ties North had to many bloodthirsty, murderous terrorists and countries that support them, including Iran. What was going through the minds of the folk who hired North to host a FOX News television show (War Stories with Oliver North)? How did North state such nonsense on the national airwaves as he did on Hannity and Colmes and not get called onto the carpet for it by hosts Hannity or Colmes? North wrote in an online column, February 20, 2004, again reacting to the Kerry Campaign website, that his detractors “may even cite some subcommittee hearings that Kerry held months after the close of the official investigation. His little witch hunt eventually did publish a report that was so incredibly biased as to give the word ‘slander’ an inadequate definition.” It’s a bit of a mystery that North can make this sort of comment when the Kerry Report is full of North’s own diary notations, explicitly outlining a variety of drug connections to what he was doing, connections and allegations involving assets and supporters of the Contras of which he was aware yet never once reported to any proper U.S. law enforcement authorities.

“A lot of people make a lot false statements and inaccurate statements, and statements full of BS on these shows,” says Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive and editor of The Iran-Contra Scandal – the Declassified History. “Oliver North is not known for his veracity, accuracy, or frankly his honesty. One of the reasons that my organization [National Security Archive] exists is that there isn’t a lot of institutional memory in this town or in this country. There isn’t a real clear focus on history. People like Oliver North think they can readily get away with making inaccurate statements but luckily we do have the documentation which is why we get it up there, so people can see the record for themselves.” Kornbluh is very careful to point out that, in his opinion, the U.S. government was not directly involved in trafficking drugs nor funding the Contra war with drug proceeds. “You have to be careful with your language. You don’t want to be inaccurate like [North] is. The United States government was not itself involved in trafficking drugs. The Contra war was not a situation where drug smuggling was financing the war. What was happening was that we were working with drug smugglers and knew that they were smuggling drugs but really didn’t care in the grand scheme of things because what was more important was to kill lots of Sandinista and Nicaraguan peasants, and wage the paramilitary war in Central America.” Kornbluh disputes that notion that the Contras needed or used drug funds to support their war, but says “it doesn’t really make any difference. It doesn’t make it any less reprehensible that the U.S. government collaborated with drug smugglers because they had some contribution to make to the Contra war and allowed their drug smuggling to go forward. Oliver North tried to get a Honduran general [Bueso] off the hook and out of jail in the U.S. because he was less worried about a very high level drug smuggler going to prison than he was about the guy actually turning around and spilling the beans about what was going on. That in my mind is just as criminal. A lot of people thought that there was some need to have drug smuggling money in the pot. There really never was a need.”

Castillo, the only DEA officer on the ground in El Salvador while NSC and CIA-run hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airfield were being used in Contra supply operations and for drug smuggling, points out that the person sitting behind the wheel of the getaway car outside the bank is just as guilty and is charged the same as the people who go inside with the guns. So it seems a bit like semantics to allege that because North did not have his hands on the drugs that neither he nor any other U.S. officials were involved in drug trafficking. “It’s not,” Kornbluh says. “It’s just being historically accurate. You can be historically accurate and still come out with the same dark, ugly picture of the activities involving Oliver North and Richard Secord, and Admiral John Poindexter and others. The drug smugglers thought they were gaining protection by being part of the CIA operation as well. You had one guy, the country’s largest marijuana smuggler, Michael Palmer, a pilot for the humanitarian aid side [of the Contra support operations] in 1986, but who had already been indicted for smuggling huge quantities of marijuana, for distribution and trafficking, at the time he was still flying – and being paid with US government tax dollars I might add. If you just stick to the history you already have a dark enough picture.”

Robert Parry, author of Lost History- Contras, Cocaine, The Press and Project Truth, who in the 1980s while writing for the Associated Press wrote the first mainstream press articles about Oliver North’s secret Contra-supply network and about Contra cocaine trafficking allegations, thinks that North was perhaps setting up a straw man argument by stating that “Nobody in the government of the United States” was using drug money to support the Contras’ war. “Our stories focused more on the elements of the Contras running drugs. I don’t think we ever specifically alleged that U.S. officials ran drugs. North may be making a fairly narrow point [in his comments on the Hannity and Colmes show], and I can’t recall Kerry ever alleging that any specific US officials ran drugs. I think the issue was really that elements of the Contras were implicated and the strongest criticism of people in the US government was they didn’t act as aggressively as they should have to stop it because of political and national security concerns. This was the point that hooked up the San Jose Mercury News [which published Gary Webb’s Dark Alliance series in August 1996, outlining certain CIA assets’ ties to the crack explosion in the United States, and got blasted in much of the U.S. mainstream press for publishing it] for quite a while. The game often is to overstate what people have alleged then knock it down. I think that the allegations have been that the U.S. government looked the other way as regards the evidence for whatever reasons or tried to discredit witnesses when someone came forward. In those kinds of instances I guess you could say they aided and abetted. I don’t think the allegations were made that people in the U.S. government brought the drugs in or sold them on the streets. This was the parody of Gary Webb’s story, that the CIA was standing on street corners in Los Angeles slinging the crack cocaine. He never said that and no one did as far as I can tell, but this became the straw man that everyone knocked down. It does sound like he’s [North] maybe somewhat exaggerating Kerry’s position then giving a fairly narrow response to the exaggeration.”

Despite these nuances, there is no denying that Oliver North knew some of his assets were trafficking tons of drugs into the United States while there was a very expensive and deadly serious War Against Some Drugs and Users going on and getting hotter. There’s no two ways about it- by allowing his assets and associates to engage in such serious and widespread trafficking, North himself was involved in that drug trafficking, especially since there is no record anywhere of his reporting these allegations to any law enforcement agencies at all. There are plenty of people currently incarcerated inside U.S. prisons on drug conspiracy charges, charges which stem solely from their not having informed law enforcement officials of their personal knowledge of ongoing drug trafficking. These people are no more guilty of explicitly trafficking in drugs than North is, in most cases much less.

Oliver North is “a chronic liar,” Castillo emphatically states. “It has been proven time and time again that several arms of the United States government were involved in sleeping with the cartels, specifically during the 1980s. The CIA’s final Contra report [The Hitz Report, released in two volumes, in January and October, 1998] indicates and confirmed that assets for the CIA were in fact involved in drug trafficking. The Kerry Committee also confirmed that many of the assets were heavily involved. One thing very important to keep in mind is I have the case files. I have the names, and NADIS numbers of all the traffickers that were involved in the Iran-Contra investigation, many of whom were documented as drug traffickers by other U.S. government law enforcement agencies long before I documented them. These were all people who worked with Oliver North, mainly out of Illopango.” Castillo is also bothered by North’s connections to genuine terrorists working for the U.S. government’s Contra operations. “There’s Luis Posada Carriles, the Cuban long-time CIA assert who was working for North at Illopango. He was working with [“former” CIA agent and assassin of Che Guevara] Felix Rodriguez. What the hell was this guy, this terrorist who blew up a Cuban civilian airliner full of civilians in the 1970s, doing working for the US government at Hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airbase?”

In a just world, Oliver North would be doing prison time (or rather, non-violent citizens doing time for drugs wouldn’t be). It is disheartening that he is able to get away with statements such as he made on Hannity and Colmes and in his column when so many U.S. citizens have served and are now serving time for using, buying and selling the very same drugs he insured made it into the U.S. Whether or not Oliver North or anyone else in the U.S. government ever sat down and plotted to sell drugs is almost irrelevant in this case – the fact remains that there were U.S. officials, agents, politicians and assets who all knew the trafficking was happening but did nothing to stop it, or worse actively participated in the trade and protected the traffickers from law enforcement. The CIA went so far as to institute a Memorandum of Understanding in March 1982 with the U.S. Department of Justice that explicitly allowed the CIA to NOT report drug trafficking by CIA and other U.S. government assets and “non” agents. The MOU exempted them from an Executive Order (E.O. 12333) signed by President Reagan in 1981 requiring any U.S. officials to report drug trafficking by U.S. employees. By changing the classification of thousands of agents to non-agents, or asset status, the CIA and others, like North, were and are able to claim it wasn’t actually U.S. government employees who were trafficking, but rather merely private entrepreneurs who took advantage of their covert status to line their pockets while helping the Contras.

The disturbing fact is that certain U.S. government, military and intelligence factions have and will continue working with drug traffickers around the globe, as is the situation today in Afghanistan. There U.S. forces are on the ground working with Northern Alliance forces, which have replanted poppies and are churning out record crop sizes since U.S. forces went in to Afghanistan, completely reversing the Taliban’s near complete extermination of Afghanistan’s poppies. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage recently told the September 11 Commission that prior to September 11, the U.S. could not openly work with the Northern Alliance due to pesky details such as their drug trafficking, but since September 11 the U.S. government has been able to work around those details. This obviously doesn’t mean that the Northern Alliance has stopped growing poppies, just that political considerations allow the U.S. to turn a blind eye once again to massive drug trafficking by their allies. There’s nothing inherently wrong with poppies nor any other currently illegal drugs, but so long as there is a U.S. taxpayer-funded War on Some Drugs and Users underway, U.S. officials, including the FOX-employed Oliver North, should not be allowed to profit in any way off the illegal drug trade, since the drug using citizenry in the United States has to pay for those alliances with their blood and their very lives.

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—– Original Message —– From: Max Robinson
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Subject: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…

What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?


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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 12, 2005 at 3:04:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I boil 50grams at a time.  Yep, it is a pot full, that’s for sure.  After boiling it twice, I re-boil the solution to reduce/concentrate the amount left.

I’ve gotten the Leaf’s (used that for the tea) and have gotten the powder in pill form.  Today I used about 10 grams of pills.  It definitely didn’t have the same effect of 30 grams of tea.  But it did take the sniffles and sneezing away.  I thought ingesting the total powder, that it would be stronger.  Maybe I’ll try 20mg pills tomorrow.

I have some “super Kratom” coming.  Supposedly twice as strong.  I believe it was in powdered form.  I have read that you take the powder and just mix it with OJ or something.  Maybe coffee would help extract the good part of the powder before drinking.  I dunno.. any comments on how to use Powder?

The extract sounds like its a lot easier.  Not sure how it measures up price wise.

Bottom line, it sure helps my mornings.

I actually had 2nd thoughts about posting my good results.  Since “The Man” is always watching,  it will only be a matter of time when they cut this supply off, so the pharmacies can resell it to you at 1000% increase in price!

In a message dated 07/12/2005 11:33:44 AM Central Daylight Time, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
i recently got a 10g sample of kratom resin extract. black and sticky.
dissolved in hot water and with lots of honey it still tasted terrible.
gave a nice effect but very mild lasting about 5 hours.

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 12, 2005 at 12:04:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i recently got a 10g sample of kratom resin extract. black and sticky. dissolved in hot water and with lots of honey it still tasted terrible. gave a nice effect but very mild lasting about 5 hours.

Am 12.07.2005 um 16:49 schrieb Preston Peet:

your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.<

50 grams? What does this stuff look like? Is it stems and roots, bark or other vegetable matter like that, or is it an extract, so you’ve got this huge mass of powder? I mean, boiling 50 grams of anything (other than fresh shrooms) seems like a lot of matter to be boiled. So, again, what exactly does this stuff look like, because I’m wondering about the size of the pot needed to actually do the boiling.
Thanks kindly.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…
Date: July 12, 2005 at 11:20:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Max asked >What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?<

Wanted? I’m not actually sure he’s exactly “wanted” for trafficking, but I do know he’s barred from entering Costa Rica, or at least was for quite some time, supposedly for life last I heard and as near as best I could find out when writing the article just below this brief excerpt by Celerino Castillo (most typos you find when reading my article were fixed before publishing, so please refrain from writing to tell me about this or that typo- it was published almost a year ago now)..

http://www.reconsider.org/tidbits/2003-03-10__Ollie’s%20Contra-band_.htm

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In July of 1989, Costa Rica officially declared that Oliver L. North and other Americans were barred from the country because they were part of “an organization made up of Panamanians, Colombians, Costa Ricans, and citizens of other nationalities who dedicated themselves to international cocaine trafficking.”

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Lots more at the above URL, OR, you can read the following story I published in my book for the Disinformation Company (www.disinfo.com), “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs. ”

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Oliver North – Still In Denial

By Preston Peet

Former U.S. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North appeared on the FOX network’s news program Hannity and Colmes on February 25, 2004 and boldly declared “The fact is nobody in the government of the United States, going all the way back to the earliest days of this under Jimmy Carter, ever had anything to do with running drugs to support the Nicaraguan resistance. Nobody in the government of the United States. I will stand on that to my grave.”

With this incredible statement, North was responding to statements by U.S. Presidential candidate John Kerry (D- Massachusetts), on his campaign website, that in the 1980s Sen. Kerry had helped hold Oliver North “accountable” for his actions while illegally assisting the Nicaraguan Contras wage their war. North told hosts Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes that Kerry was “wrong,” that Kerry “makes this stuff up and then he can’t justify it,” specifically talking about the December, 1988 report titled Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, prepared and released by the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations, chaired by Sen. Kerry. The Kerry Committee investigated allegations that North, hired to work in President Ronald Reagan’s National Security Council in 1981, and compatriots in the NSC had been funding, arming and training the Contras in contravention of the Boland Agreement, in part by illegally selling missiles to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the Contra war, and in part by working with known drug traffickers in Contra supply operations.

“Oliver North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran-Contra charges,” reported former DEA agent and decorated veteran Celerino Castillo in a March 8, 2003 article for ReconsiDer.org, protesting an appearance by North at a Salvation Army fundraising event near Castillo’s home in Texas. “After deliberating for 64 hours over a 12-day period, the jury on May 6, 1989 returned a verdict of guilty on three counts which included: (1) aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, (2) shredding and altering official documents, and (3) accepting an illegal gratuity from General Richard V. Secord. Judge Gesell sentenced North on July 05, 1989 to two years probation, $150,000. in fines and 1,200 hours community service..North’s convictions were vacated on July 20, 1990 after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.” In other words, North was convicted of some charges, such as shredding much of the evidence, but got off on a technicality. North was never tried nor even charged with drug trafficking, (at least not in the U.S.- but he is barred from ever entering Costa Rica due to drug trafficking charges, along with Gen. Secord, and others) even though he enabled the trafficking of literally tons of drugs into the United States while the U.S. was busy ratcheting up the domestic War on Some Drugs and Users.

The actions Sen. Kerry is proud of investigating and subsequently holding North accountable for never included any allegations that North or anyone else in the U.S. government was directly dealing or trafficking drugs, (although there are instances on public record of active CIA agents, not merely assets, trafficking drugs into the U.S., just not in the Kerry Report) or using drug proceeds to fund the Contra war, only that North and others had not reported allegations and knowledge of drug running by certain Contra supporters and U.S. government and intelligence assets.

In one instance described in the Kerry Report, North directly intervened to help obtain a lenient prison sentence at Eglin Air Force Base federal prison camp in Florida for former Honduran general José Bueso Rosa, to help keep Bueso quiet about NSC-supported illegal covert Contra supply missions Bueso had been involved with. The U.S. Justice Department called the Bueso Rosa case the “most significant case of narco-terrorism yet discovered,” as Bueso had been plotting to use the proceeds from a 345 pound cocaine shipment estimated by federal agents to be worth $40 million, intercepted on October 28, 1984 in Florida by the FBI, to assassinate Honduran President Roberto Suazo Córdoba.

North also claimed in an email message to Admiral John Poindexter on August 23, 1986, to have a “fairly good relationship” with Panamanian President and friend to drug traffickers Manual Noriega, when urging that the U.S. government work to help repair Noriega’s image in the U.S. press. Poindexter wrote back, saying he had nothing against Noriega except for his “illegal activities.” The New York Times had already at that point exposed Noriega’s extensive ties to international drug trafficking, yet North still wanted to pay Noriega $1 million out of “Project Democracy” money, raised from the illegal sale of U.S. arms to Iran, to enlist Noriega’s help in sabotaging Sandinista facilities.

The Subcommittee report, also known as the Kerry Committee Report, lists on pages 146-147, 15 entries from notebooks filled with Oliver North’s own handwriting, detailing drug connections to operations which were supporting the Contras. These included references to arms in Honduras intended for the Contras which had initially been financed with $14 million in drug profits, according to a message from Secord to North, and direct knowledge of planes flying supplies south to the Contras that were returning to the U.S. full of drugs. “Numerous other entries contain references to individuals or events which Subcommittee staff has determined have relevance to narcotics, terrorism or international operations,” notes the Kerry Report, “but whose ambiguities cannot be resolved without the production of the deleted materials by North and his attorneys. Accordingly, the Subcommittee continues to believe that the production of the deleted material could shed important light on a number of issues in connections with foreign policy, law enforcement and narcotics and terrorism.” The 15 surviving entries taken directly from North’s diaries and listed by the Kerry Report, as transcribed by the National Security Archive, an extensive online repository of declassified U.S. government documents, are as follows:
May 12, 1984.contract indicates that Gustavo is involved w/ drugs. (Q0266)
June 26, 1984. DEA- (followed by two blocks of text deleted by North) (Q0349)
June 27, 1984. Drug Case – DEA program on controlling cocaine- Ether cutoff- Colombians readjusting- possible negotiations to move on refining effort to Nicaragua- Pablo Escobar-Colombian drug czar- Informant (Pilot) is indicted criminal- Carlos Ledher- Freddy Vaughn (Q0354)
July 9, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Call from Clarridge- Call Michel re Narco Issue- RIG at 1000 Tomorrow (Q0384)- DEA Miami- Pilot went talked to Vaughn- wanted A/C to go to Bolivia to p/u paste- want A/C to p/u 1500 kilos- Bud to meet w/ Group (Q0385)
July 12, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Gen. Gorman-*Include Drug Case (Q0400) Call from Johnstone- (White House deletion) leak on Drug (0402)
July 17, 1984. Call to Frank M- Bud Mullins Re- leak on DEA piece- Carlton Turner (Q0418) Call from Johnstone- McManus, LA Times-says/NSC source claims W.H. has pictures of Borge loading cocaine in Nic. (Q0416)
July 20, 1984. Call from Clarridge:-Alfredo Cesar Re Drugs-Borge/Owen leave Hull alone (Deletions)/Los Brasiles Air Field-Owen off Hull (Q0426)
July 27, 1984. Clarridge:-(Block of White House deleted text follows)-Arturo Cruz, Jr.-Get Alfredo Cesar on Drugs (Q0450)
July 31, 1984. -Finance: Libya- Cuba/Bloc Countries-Drugs. . . Pablo Escobar/Federic Vaughn (Q0460)
July 31, 1984. [NOTE: Portions transcribed in Kerry Report but deleted from declassified version] Staff queries re (White House deletion) role in DEA operations in Nicaragua (Q0461)
December 21, 1984. Call from Clarridge: Ferch (White House deletion)- Tambs- Costa Rica- Felix Rodriguez close to (White House deletion)- not assoc. W/Villoldo- Bay of Pigs- No drugs (Q0922)
January 14, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs (Q1039)
July 12, 1985. $14 million to finance came from drugs
August 10, 1985. Mtg w/ A.C.- name of DEA person in New Orleans re Bust on Mario/ DC-6 (Q1140)
February 27, 1986. Mtg w/ Lew Tambs- DEA Auction A/C seized as drug runners.- $250-260K fee (Q2027)

One might wonder what relevance these events of some 20 years ago and more have today, or why anyone who is against the whole idea of a War on Some Drugs and Users should be bothered in the first place by officially sanctioned drug trafficking. It isn’t the officially sanctioned drug running itself that is particularly galling – it’s the fact that millions of people’s lives were turned into living hell for daring to buy and use the very drugs that the U.S. government, through it’s assets, agents and officials like Oliver North, were busy assuring entered the U.S. by the ton.

There’s also the whole troubling aspect of the current War on Terror and the variety of ties North had to many bloodthirsty, murderous terrorists and countries that support them, including Iran. What was going through the minds of the folk who hired North to host a FOX News television show (War Stories with Oliver North)? How did North state such nonsense on the national airwaves as he did on Hannity and Colmes and not get called onto the carpet for it by hosts Hannity or Colmes? North wrote in an online column, February 20, 2004, again reacting to the Kerry Campaign website, that his detractors “may even cite some subcommittee hearings that Kerry held months after the close of the official investigation. His little witch hunt eventually did publish a report that was so incredibly biased as to give the word ‘slander’ an inadequate definition.” It’s a bit of a mystery that North can make this sort of comment when the Kerry Report is full of North’s own diary notations, explicitly outlining a variety of drug connections to what he was doing, connections and allegations involving assets and supporters of the Contras of which he was aware yet never once reported to any proper U.S. law enforcement authorities.

“A lot of people make a lot false statements and inaccurate statements, and statements full of BS on these shows,” says Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst at the National Security Archive and editor of The Iran-Contra Scandal – the Declassified History. “Oliver North is not known for his veracity, accuracy, or frankly his honesty. One of the reasons that my organization [National Security Archive] exists is that there isn’t a lot of institutional memory in this town or in this country. There isn’t a real clear focus on history. People like Oliver North think they can readily get away with making inaccurate statements but luckily we do have the documentation which is why we get it up there, so people can see the record for themselves.” Kornbluh is very careful to point out that, in his opinion, the U.S. government was not directly involved in trafficking drugs nor funding the Contra war with drug proceeds. “You have to be careful with your language. You don’t want to be inaccurate like [North] is. The United States government was not itself involved in trafficking drugs. The Contra war was not a situation where drug smuggling was financing the war. What was happening was that we were working with drug smugglers and knew that they were smuggling drugs but really didn’t care in the grand scheme of things because what was more important was to kill lots of Sandinista and Nicaraguan peasants, and wage the paramilitary war in Central America.” Kornbluh disputes that notion that the Contras needed or used drug funds to support their war, but says “it doesn’t really make any difference. It doesn’t make it any less reprehensible that the U.S. government collaborated with drug smugglers because they had some contribution to make to the Contra war and allowed their drug smuggling to go forward. Oliver North tried to get a Honduran general [Bueso] off the hook and out of jail in the U.S. because he was less worried about a very high level drug smuggler going to prison than he was about the guy actually turning around and spilling the beans about what was going on. That in my mind is just as criminal. A lot of people thought that there was some need to have drug smuggling money in the pot. There really never was a need.”

Castillo, the only DEA officer on the ground in El Salvador while NSC and CIA-run hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airfield were being used in Contra supply operations and for drug smuggling, points out that the person sitting behind the wheel of the getaway car outside the bank is just as guilty and is charged the same as the people who go inside with the guns. So it seems a bit like semantics to allege that because North did not have his hands on the drugs that neither he nor any other U.S. officials were involved in drug trafficking. “It’s not,” Kornbluh says. “It’s just being historically accurate. You can be historically accurate and still come out with the same dark, ugly picture of the activities involving Oliver North and Richard Secord, and Admiral John Poindexter and others. The drug smugglers thought they were gaining protection by being part of the CIA operation as well. You had one guy, the country’s largest marijuana smuggler, Michael Palmer, a pilot for the humanitarian aid side [of the Contra support operations] in 1986, but who had already been indicted for smuggling huge quantities of marijuana, for distribution and trafficking, at the time he was still flying – and being paid with US government tax dollars I might add. If you just stick to the history you already have a dark enough picture.”

Robert Parry, author of Lost History- Contras, Cocaine, The Press and Project Truth, who in the 1980s while writing for the Associated Press wrote the first mainstream press articles about Oliver North’s secret Contra-supply network and about Contra cocaine trafficking allegations, thinks that North was perhaps setting up a straw man argument by stating that “Nobody in the government of the United States” was using drug money to support the Contras’ war. “Our stories focused more on the elements of the Contras running drugs. I don’t think we ever specifically alleged that U.S. officials ran drugs. North may be making a fairly narrow point [in his comments on the Hannity and Colmes show], and I can’t recall Kerry ever alleging that any specific US officials ran drugs. I think the issue was really that elements of the Contras were implicated and the strongest criticism of people in the US government was they didn’t act as aggressively as they should have to stop it because of political and national security concerns. This was the point that hooked up the San Jose Mercury News [which published Gary Webb’s Dark Alliance series in August 1996, outlining certain CIA assets’ ties to the crack explosion in the United States, and got blasted in much of the U.S. mainstream press for publishing it] for quite a while. The game often is to overstate what people have alleged then knock it down. I think that the allegations have been that the U.S. government looked the other way as regards the evidence for whatever reasons or tried to discredit witnesses when someone came forward. In those kinds of instances I guess you could say they aided and abetted. I don’t think the allegations were made that people in the U.S. government brought the drugs in or sold them on the streets. This was the parody of Gary Webb’s story, that the CIA was standing on street corners in Los Angeles slinging the crack cocaine. He never said that and no one did as far as I can tell, but this became the straw man that everyone knocked down. It does sound like he’s [North] maybe somewhat exaggerating Kerry’s position then giving a fairly narrow response to the exaggeration.”

Despite these nuances, there is no denying that Oliver North knew some of his assets were trafficking tons of drugs into the United States while there was a very expensive and deadly serious War Against Some Drugs and Users going on and getting hotter. There’s no two ways about it- by allowing his assets and associates to engage in such serious and widespread trafficking, North himself was involved in that drug trafficking, especially since there is no record anywhere of his reporting these allegations to any law enforcement agencies at all. There are plenty of people currently incarcerated inside U.S. prisons on drug conspiracy charges, charges which stem solely from their not having informed law enforcement officials of their personal knowledge of ongoing drug trafficking. These people are no more guilty of explicitly trafficking in drugs than North is, in most cases much less.

Oliver North is “a chronic liar,” Castillo emphatically states. “It has been proven time and time again that several arms of the United States government were involved in sleeping with the cartels, specifically during the 1980s. The CIA’s final Contra report [The Hitz Report, released in two volumes, in January and October, 1998] indicates and confirmed that assets for the CIA were in fact involved in drug trafficking. The Kerry Committee also confirmed that many of the assets were heavily involved. One thing very important to keep in mind is I have the case files. I have the names, and NADIS numbers of all the traffickers that were involved in the Iran-Contra investigation, many of whom were documented as drug traffickers by other U.S. government law enforcement agencies long before I documented them. These were all people who worked with Oliver North, mainly out of Illopango.” Castillo is also bothered by North’s connections to genuine terrorists working for the U.S. government’s Contra operations. “There’s Luis Posada Carriles, the Cuban long-time CIA assert who was working for North at Illopango. He was working with [“former” CIA agent and assassin of Che Guevara] Felix Rodriguez. What the hell was this guy, this terrorist who blew up a Cuban civilian airliner full of civilians in the 1970s, doing working for the US government at Hangers 4 and 5 at Illopango Airbase?”

In a just world, Oliver North would be doing prison time (or rather, non-violent citizens doing time for drugs wouldn’t be). It is disheartening that he is able to get away with statements such as he made on Hannity and Colmes and in his column when so many U.S. citizens have served and are now serving time for using, buying and selling the very same drugs he insured made it into the U.S. Whether or not Oliver North or anyone else in the U.S. government ever sat down and plotted to sell drugs is almost irrelevant in this case – the fact remains that there were U.S. officials, agents, politicians and assets who all knew the trafficking was happening but did nothing to stop it, or worse actively participated in the trade and protected the traffickers from law enforcement. The CIA went so far as to institute a Memorandum of Understanding in March 1982 with the U.S. Department of Justice that explicitly allowed the CIA to NOT report drug trafficking by CIA and other U.S. government assets and “non” agents. The MOU exempted them from an Executive Order (E.O. 12333) signed by President Reagan in 1981 requiring any U.S. officials to report drug trafficking by U.S. employees. By changing the classification of thousands of agents to non-agents, or asset status, the CIA and others, like North, were and are able to claim it wasn’t actually U.S. government employees who were trafficking, but rather merely private entrepreneurs who took advantage of their covert status to line their pockets while helping the Contras.

The disturbing fact is that certain U.S. government, military and intelligence factions have and will continue working with drug traffickers around the globe, as is the situation today in Afghanistan. There U.S. forces are on the ground working with Northern Alliance forces, which have replanted poppies and are churning out record crop sizes since U.S. forces went in to Afghanistan, completely reversing the Taliban’s near complete extermination of Afghanistan’s poppies. U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage recently told the September 11 Commission that prior to September 11, the U.S. could not openly work with the Northern Alliance due to pesky details such as their drug trafficking, but since September 11 the U.S. government has been able to work around those details. This obviously doesn’t mean that the Northern Alliance has stopped growing poppies, just that political considerations allow the U.S. to turn a blind eye once again to massive drug trafficking by their allies. There’s nothing inherently wrong with poppies nor any other currently illegal drugs, but so long as there is a U.S. taxpayer-funded War on Some Drugs and Users underway, U.S. officials, including the FOX-employed Oliver North, should not be allowed to profit in any way off the illegal drug trade, since the drug using citizenry in the United States has to pay for those alliances with their blood and their very lives.

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—– Original Message —– From: Max Robinson
To: [DrugWar]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Preston you, or someone, knows the answer to this…

What country is Ollie North wanted in for drug smuggling?


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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 12, 2005 at 10:49:11 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.<

50 grams? What does this stuff look like? Is it stems and roots, bark or other vegetable matter like that, or is it an extract, so you’ve got this huge mass of powder? I mean, boiling 50 grams of anything (other than fresh shrooms) seems like a lot of matter to be boiled. So, again, what exactly does this stuff look like, because I’m wondering about the size of the pot needed to actually do the boiling.
Thanks kindly.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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—– Original Message —– From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Kratom-can it help with methadone w/d????????
—– Original Message —– From: “Jen Reilly” <jenreilly@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Learntwolive,
your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.  it sounds like youve
have possitive results with it.  I must tell you that my experience
with kratom came from about a 20 gram tea, which unfortunately i
ingested while i was strung out on heroin – so i assume that my
results where affected somehow.   im supprised that i felt anything at
all.  a couple friends noticed that i seemed different, while i felt
something similiar to the effects of smoking catnip;  i got giddy,
kinda silly, and a bit more active for about 15 minutes.  If your
trying to treat your w/ds, i remember reading that you should be
taking a stronger dose, at which level you would start to experience
the more sedating effects.  if it where cheaper, and i could be sure i
was making the tea in the most efficient manner,  i would have done
more experimenting with it.  sounds like its working for you.  try a
higher dose maybe.  be sure to boil the herbs at least twice and
always cover the pot (im not sure if kratom tea is at risk of
voliatile oils escaping).
good luck,  jen
On 7/8/05, Learntwolive@aol.com <Learntwolive@aol.com> wrote:
I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one
had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted
about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and
lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea
(with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to
lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz”
and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of
increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.
Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened
soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but
within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the
difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read
several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for
several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be
addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they
had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people
cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was
totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation
effects.


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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 12, 2005 at 5:17:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

I would not get too excited about Medicine Garden having Ibogaine plants
or extact for sale.
Firstly what comes up in their catelogue is 100mm cutlings and seeds.
The cutlings have a price of $0 next to them. Thats because they are not
currently selling them. They may have done some years ago, but not in the last
couple of years. The seeds have a price of $110 for 3. Those would take
years to grow to become useful. If they are even selling them.
According to their catelogue they are still selling small Kratom plants. Which
I doubt they are, as kratom became illegal about 6 months ago, its more
likely they are just slack about updating their site.
I’ve emailed them twice in the last few months regarding Ibogaine and did
not get a reply. Others have had a similar experience.
I have recently bought other herbs from Medicine Garden and they delivered
promptly and the herbs are good quality. But I get the feeling the owners know
how to operate their own website.
They also have voacanga africana seeds and plants listed for sale. Don’t know
if thats for real either.

The firehorse.com.au site offers some informative international links, thats about it.

As for the google search, whats funny is that half the results on the first search
page are from www.australiens.net – an Australian psychedelic trance website that
I spend half my days gas-bagging on (jump in the forums – I’m Infinafta).
The reason that comes up is because there is a psy trance label in Denmark called Iboga Records and some of their artists have played in Australia (there are Aussie and NZ artists on the label too). The parties were advertised on Australiens. You
will also my find my Ibogaine thread on that forum.

The 2 links that you should explore further are
www.ethnobotany-australia.net
and
shaman-australis.com.au
Both sites have a forum. Both forums have people looking for Ibogaine for a couple of years now, you should have a read of the threads.
Shaman-Australis is an online shop – Shaman Australis Botanicals (SAB).
They also list Iboga in their catalogue, but none is currently available. They were selling some  some a couple of years ago, I think. At the moment their Iboga plants
are too young to sell or to harvest. They are expected to have something for sale in the next year or so, but don’t quote me on that. Hopefully it won’t be made illegal
by then.

So thats about where its at with Ibogaine in Australia. People that have plants only
have really young ones, too young to be useful. There is Voacanga Africana seed
powder floating around. Tabernaemontana Orientis grows by the side of the road,
but I don’t think anyone has found an effective extraction method – it is apparently
pretty complicated.

If I hear of anything I’ll let you know. I’ve got scouts out 😉

cheers
Boris

—- Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new
server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] aussie measures?
Date: July 12, 2005 at 4:16:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Uhhh, Jase me ole cobber you………….what on earth are yous blokes
measuring in these days aye????  S’s???  Or 0’s? one link gave me s’s and
the other gave me nuffink……..
Bluddy aussies
Hehheh’
kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 7:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey girl,

Who you calling a fauxing spas,..I’m laughing my head off,
whoops,..here I go again ,..off my fauxing head.

I tell you what,..I laugh my head off so easy these days,..it
is so good to feel humour at it’s full force.

I am investigating Iboga in Australia,..I will get back to you.

with love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hugs to you Jasen,,,,
Have to check out that link… for real? Available in the good ole A of
Oz??
Sweet.. hope it turns out to be BEST QUALITY at a GOOD PRICE.
Would make your provider career a lot easier yeh?? Hehheh ;o) when???
Hmm??
But hey no pressure mate!!!
Just whenever I’m ready ok?  Oh, I mean you…. gee, faux pas!!!!
Love ya heaps my aussie neighbour
KIRK xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 6:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr
%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new
server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall
see

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 12, 2005 at 4:12:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh you rok ya mad aussie you!!!!! Can’t wait to leap across the ditch
and make you laugh your flamin’ head off (stone the flamin’ crows as Alf
would say…….) hehheh  hope your heart is strong..
Look forwardd to hearing what aussie has to offer…
Love
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 7:12 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey girl,

Who you calling a fauxing spas,..I’m laughing my head off,
whoops,..here I go again ,..off my fauxing head.

I tell you what,..I laugh my head off so easy these days,..it
is so good to feel humour at it’s full force.

I am investigating Iboga in Australia,..I will get back to you.

with love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hugs to you Jasen,,,,
Have to check out that link… for real? Available in the good ole A of
Oz??
Sweet.. hope it turns out to be BEST QUALITY at a GOOD PRICE.
Would make your provider career a lot easier yeh?? Hehheh ;o) when???
Hmm??
But hey no pressure mate!!!
Just whenever I’m ready ok?  Oh, I mean you…. gee, faux pas!!!!
Love ya heaps my aussie neighbour
KIRK xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 6:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr
%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new
server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall
see

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 12, 2005 at 3:12:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey girl,

Who you calling a fauxing spas,..I’m laughing my head off,
whoops,..here I go again ,..off my fauxing head.

I tell you what,..I laugh my head off so easy these days,..it
is so good to feel humour at it’s full force.

I am investigating Iboga in Australia,..I will get back to you.

with love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hugs to you Jasen,,,,
Have to check out that link… for real? Available in the good ole A of Oz??
Sweet.. hope it turns out to be BEST QUALITY at a GOOD PRICE.
Would make your provider career a lot easier yeh?? Hehheh ;o) when??? Hmm??
But hey no pressure mate!!!
Just whenever I’m ready ok?  Oh, I mean you…. gee, faux pas!!!!
Love ya heaps my aussie neighbour
KIRK xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 6:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr
%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new
server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 12, 2005 at 3:01:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hugs to you Jasen,,,,
Have to check out that link… for real? Available in the good ole A of Oz??
Sweet.. hope it turns out to be BEST QUALITY at a GOOD PRICE.
Would make your provider career a lot easier yeh?? Hehheh ;o) when??? Hmm??
But hey no pressure mate!!!
Just whenever I’m ready ok?  Oh, I mean you…. gee, faux pas!!!!
Love ya heaps my aussie neighbour
KIRK xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 6:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??

Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr
%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new
server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga in Australia??
Date: July 12, 2005 at 2:36:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey,

While we’re at it,….as Jeff Fenech would say(Ausie boxer),
I love yous all,..Ha Haaaa

Iboga in Australia,..Mmmm. My niece found a site that some
of you might find interesting.
http://www.medicine-garden.com.au/nursery.php?id=t&name=Trees

http://www.firehorse.com.au/addict/treatments.html#JUMP99

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=australian+iboga&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU

I wrote an email to the suppliers asking what type,..how strong ect.

with love, Jasen.

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m back…
Date: July 12, 2005 at 12:52:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANKS TINK!!!
LOVE YOU TOO HUNNNEYYYYYYYY!!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
KOIKY

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 3:50 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares…..if anyone does.. I don’t, really, lol. new server
up n running..email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see
I
guess……no such thing as NO Problems when it comes to computers AND the
internet. but am with a much better outfit now than Fuckwitnet….thanks
Patrick for trying to help… glad you got a glimpse of the struggle I had
just trying to get a reply!!!!!! Lol so yeh cheers heaps for that…you’re
the best!

Look forward to chatting wit chas all :o)

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
KIRK
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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 12, 2005 at 12:05:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It would depend on what dose your at.  I used it, but only after I tapered way down with Bup, for 3 or 4 months.  I took it slow tapering.  But when I finally steped off, I could feel the yucky feeling creaping up on me.  The mornings were the toughest.  But with a glass of tea, and some coffee, I was ready to take on the day.

As for where to get it…there are quite a few places that sell it.  I actually saw it on Ebay!!!!!  They guy selling on there was nice and sent it out fast!  His product was good also.  I had heard there was some bunk ‘chit’ floating around as kratom.   The places I have talked to have a money back guarantee.  Do a seach and you’ll find lots of places.

I think, the lower you can taper to, the better the kratom will work.  But thats just my opinion.  Hey…Give it a try…It can’t hurt ya!!!!!

In a message dated 07/11/2005 4:24:38 PM Central Daylight Time, irvcutler@charter.net writes:
Kratom-can it help with methadone w/d????????

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I’m back…
Date: July 11, 2005 at 11:50:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I CARE!!!!
😀
Love ya and welcome back
tink

On 7/11/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

To anyone that cares………….if anyone does…. I don’t, really, lol… new server
up n running….email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see I
guess…………..no such thing as NO Problems when it comes to computers AND the
internet… but am with a much better outfit now than Fuckwitnet…………thanks
Patrick for trying to help….. glad you got a glimpse of the struggle I had
just trying to get a reply!!!!!! Lol so yeh cheers heaps for that…..you’re
the best!

Look forward to chatting wit chas all :o)

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
KIRK
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m back…
Date: July 11, 2005 at 10:38:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To anyone that cares………….if anyone does…. I don’t, really, lol… new server up n running….email problems SHOULD be a thing of the past.. we shall see I guess…………..no such thing as NO Problems when it comes to computers AND the internet… but am with a much better outfit now than Fuckwitnet…………thanks Patrick for trying to help….. glad you got a glimpse of the struggle I had just trying to get a reply!!!!!! Lol so yeh cheers heaps for that…..you’re the best!

Look forward to chatting wit chas all :o)

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
KIRK XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Abandoned Spaceships
Date: July 11, 2005 at 9:03:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Subject: Abandoned Spaceships
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NASA Science News for July 11, 2005

In 2008, NASA plans to send a satellite to orbit the Moon: Lunar
Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). As it surveys the lunar surface, LRO
will get clear pictures of Apollo relics for the first time since the
1970s.

FULL STORY at

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 11, 2005 at 5:16:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kratom-can it help with methadone w/d????????
—– Original Message —– From: “Jen Reilly” <jenreilly@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Learntwolive,
your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.  it sounds like youve
have possitive results with it.  I must tell you that my experience
with kratom came from about a 20 gram tea, which unfortunately i
ingested while i was strung out on heroin – so i assume that my
results where affected somehow.   im supprised that i felt anything at
all.  a couple friends noticed that i seemed different, while i felt
something similiar to the effects of smoking catnip;  i got giddy,
kinda silly, and a bit more active for about 15 minutes.  If your
trying to treat your w/ds, i remember reading that you should be
taking a stronger dose, at which level you would start to experience
the more sedating effects.  if it where cheaper, and i could be sure i
was making the tea in the most efficient manner,  i would have done
more experimenting with it.  sounds like its working for you.  try a
higher dose maybe.  be sure to boil the herbs at least twice and
always cover the pot (im not sure if kratom tea is at risk of
voliatile oils escaping).
good luck,  jen
On 7/8/05, Learntwolive@aol.com <Learntwolive@aol.com> wrote:
I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one
had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted
about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and
lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea
(with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to
lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz”
and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of
increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.
Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened
soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but
within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the
difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read
several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for
several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be
addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they
had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people
cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was
totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation
effects.


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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 11, 2005 at 4:36:58 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keith,
Thanks brother. Now, Where to find it. U C I have been an addict since 1968. Ive tried alot of things and I do get periods of clean time but always end up falling.
I’m hoping for a (miracle?). Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: VanAllen, Keith G.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Hey Irv,
Kratum is a herbal substance and is uncontrolled in the US except for under the analog laws which  loosely state” using any plant for a high is bad and the man will find you…lol” here’s a link on kratum from erowid http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml .

Keep your head up,

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:38 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Whats Kratom? Is it legal in the UNFREE USA? Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kratom

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea (with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz” and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.  Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation effects.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (ot, really) truly shameless…
Date: July 11, 2005 at 4:27:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Check out the credits at this URL, and scroll down to about #47 (just 5 names after Stan Lee’s credit), and see if you notice a familiar name.
I think I’m finally going to see it tonight.
;-))

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120667/fullcredits

Dealing with that darn drug addiction stuff all my life has lead me to some very strange and truly interesting places situations, I gotta admit.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 11, 2005 at 3:43:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eric,

Congradulations on your efforts, the added availability of legal, medically supervised quality ibogaine treatment is welcome.  Critical mass grows…

Thanks and thanks for my first ibo treatment, I hope you are including different treatment methods and options’ SAM, multiple dosing and low dosing, maybe weekend-booster get-aways for a tune-up to the initiated…

Good luck woth the treatment centers

Brett

IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com wrote:
Hiya List,
Yeah.  We’ve been invited to incorporate the use of ibogaine into two already existing clinics located in both Tijuana and Cancun.  Information about treatments is forthcoming either on a separate site or on mine very soon.  And yes, prices are in a range considerably less than what is available.  And yet there will be docs and nurses on hand..
Dr. Tom, who has been posting on the list, is overseeing activities, as well as myself.  Between us we’ve conducted over 630 treatments and feel good about what we’re doing, confident about the protocols we’re using and thankful to be involved in making treatments available as inexpensively and safely as we have already been during these past several years.
It’s going to take a couple of weeks or so to include the specifics.  If you like, please leave a message on the 888 no. on my site with a no. so i can call you and i’ll do so. The phone’s good for me as i’m up to about 4 1/2 wpm here.  Thanks.
Peace, illusive Peace to all,
Eric
www.ibeginagain.org

Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – No fees. Bid on great items.

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Initiation for Sister Somayah’s son
Date: July 11, 2005 at 12:59:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: SisterHemp@aol.com
Subject: Initiation

DANA

I am searching for the ROOT.. You know that the Nigritian Kief Society – Crescent Alliance is a healing ministry. We look forward to being trained and encourage access to the root moreso than the extract of the root. The death door is not as prevalent in the purer form, correct? I mean there are less deaths with the root than with the ‘pharmaceutical’ trial, correct?

Well, the integrity of the Iboga has to be maintained or more and more people will die and the probability of it being a trusted method of being liberated from addiction will fail, if we don’t check the integrity and keep it on the HIGHEST REALM..

You do understand what i mean about folks not EXPLOITING MY PEOPLE to pay their bills… i would not want to be there when the consequences come for anything short of 100% integrity….in the Iboga movement..

The medical marijuana is barely something one can pay their bills with… at least if they are doing it legitimately….without the defamed characterization by the media and the local cops….we could pay our bills AND be compassionate…not just come-cashin’-it….dig it?

Love and Light, Dana Beal

yo Sister Queen Negus Somayah peaches moore Kambui
323 232 0935
sisterhemp@aol.com
sistersomayah@yahoo.com

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] rob brezny rox
Date: July 11, 2005 at 12:05:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the french had somthing similar, and most of the “100 best books of the 20th century” were written by -surprise,surprise- french speaking white men. i agree this stuff is crucial (being a white male i certainly won´t consider to write any novel). what i just thought last week is how to contribute to a world where 30 000 children die every single day of malnutrition. -ekki

Am 11.07.2005 um 16:58 schrieb tink:

Seven years ago, Random House announced its “Modern Library 100 Best
Books of the 20th Century: Fiction.” In this collection, 91 texts were
written in English by white males. I suppose there’s a remote
possibility that’s an accurate inventory, though I doubt it. But
whether it is or not, I feel it’s critical to the health of our
culture and even our planet that the best books of the 21st century
will be authored by a far more diverse mix. And what, you may ask,
does this have to do with your personal destiny in July 2005? The
astrological omens say it’s a perfect moment to decide what you’ll do
in the coming years to contribute to a world in which white men who
speak English don’t run everything. (P.S. This is crucial even if you
yourself are an English-speaking white man.)

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] rob brezny rox
Date: July 11, 2005 at 10:58:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Seven years ago, Random House announced its “Modern Library 100 Best
Books of the 20th Century: Fiction.” In this collection, 91 texts were
written in English by white males. I suppose there’s a remote
possibility that’s an accurate inventory, though I doubt it. But
whether it is or not, I feel it’s critical to the health of our
culture and even our planet that the best books of the 21st century
will be authored by a far more diverse mix. And what, you may ask,
does this have to do with your personal destiny in July 2005? The
astrological omens say it’s a perfect moment to decide what you’ll do
in the coming years to contribute to a world in which white men who
speak English don’t run everything. (P.S. This is crucial even if you
yourself are an English-speaking white man.)

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Tink?
Date: July 11, 2005 at 10:55:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey there
long week here-lost a friend to liver failure,  and am hiding out at
my dad’s house for the interim. I’m okay, just a bit on the down side.
At least I’m near the beach (in ogunquit, ME).  Trying to figure out
what i’m going to do next…I think VT is bad for me, and my roommate
started selling oxy’s just before i left, so enough of that bullshit.
Anyway, just thought I’d let you know that I’m still alright, just on
sabbatical from VT ;]
I’ll write you a real email later on.  After coffee in massive doses!
love
tink

On 7/10/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

Tink?

How are you?

-Keith

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 11, 2005 at 9:04:05 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:14:18 -0700

>>How did your nose feel?
>
>It felt like it had some gritty powder in it. 🙂

Did the powder give any sensations of burning, numbness, or
whatever?

No, nothing like that.  The only disturbing part was the tactile sensation of grittiness.  If the powder stayed in your nose without a few drops of salt-water to follow, it may irritate your throat or sinuses and may make you cough or sneeze a little… it’s not really that big a deal, but some salt-water drops make it a non-issue…

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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 11, 2005 at 1:28:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Jennifer,
I’m guessing that Kratom would be pretty much worthless unless you’re tapered down and then ready to step off. (My case)  It’s too mild to give any good effects while on some other opiate.
I’ve woken up the past 4 days with the normal ache’s, pains and lethargy …i.e. the normal w/d’s.  After taking the tea (as you said…boil it twice) and taking a “small dose” of around 20 to 30 grams, the w/d symptoms not only disappear but I have energy to do things and get things done.  And I become chatty!  I’m going to try the “super” strength Kratom and also the Pill form to see what seems easiest and best.
Personally I just want to use it to get through the few weeks of lethargy w/d’s.  Thanks for you input!  I have yet to try the 50+ grams, to see if that will help with sleep.  As soon as I get my next order in, I’ll post my results.

For all who are on their last leg of quitting… I would recommend trying Kratom.  From what I have read, you can start taking it as you taper/step off.  Start taking some tea while your reducing your DOC.

Lets hope this nice herb stays available to people who need it!

FYI, its worked great 4 mornings in a row.  I haven’t taken a thing but the tea.  I wake up with a runny nose and sneezing, and minor flu symptoms.  I slam some tea, and within 15 to 20 minutes….I’m better than fine.  Throw in a cup a Java and I’m out to do my morning 4 mile run!

On a side note… I am also taking clonidine for high BP.  Which I attribute to “stepping off”.

Between the tea and the few meds…clonidine and occasional Xanax or Valium for sleep, I’ve been able to continue a normal life!  I’m checking into Lunesta instead of the benzo’s for sleep at my next DR appointment.

Anyone have experience with Lunesta for sleep????

In a message dated 07/10/2005 10:19:40 PM Central Daylight Time, jenreilly@gmail.com writes:
Learntwolive,
your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.  it sounds like youve
have possitive results with it.  I must tell you that my experience
with kratom came from about a 20 gram tea, which unfortunately i
ingested while i was strung out on heroin – so i assume that my
results where affected somehow.   im supprised that i felt anything at
all.  a couple friends noticed that i seemed different, while i felt
something similiar to the effects of smoking catnip;  i got giddy,
kinda silly, and a bit more active for about 15 minutes.  If your
trying to treat your w/ds, i remember reading that you should be
taking a stronger dose, at which level you would start to experience
the more sedating effects.  if it where cheaper, and i could be sure i
was making the tea in the most efficient manner,  i would have done
more experimenting with it.  sounds like its working for you.  try a
higher dose maybe.  be sure to boil the herbs at least twice and
always cover the pot (im not sure if kratom tea is at risk of
voliatile oils escaping).
good luck,  jen
On 7/8/05, Learntwolive@aol.com <Learntwolive@aol.com> wrote:
> I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one
> had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted
> about it.
>
> Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.
>
> I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and
> lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea
> (with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)
>
> I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to
> lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!
>
> I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz”
> and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of
> increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.
> Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened
> soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but
> within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.
>
> I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the
> difference, for sure.
>
> If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read
> several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for
> several addictions.
>
> I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be
> addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they
> had a friend who became addicted to it)
>
> Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people
> cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was
> totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation
> effects.
>
>


Jennifer Reilly
From: Jen Reilly <jenreilly@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 10, 2005 at 11:11:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Learntwolive,
your dose of 20-30 grams ive read is a threshold dose, while 50
grams made into tea is an extreamly strong dose.  it sounds like youve
have possitive results with it.  I must tell you that my experience
with kratom came from about a 20 gram tea, which unfortunately i
ingested while i was strung out on heroin – so i assume that my
results where affected somehow.   im supprised that i felt anything at
all.  a couple friends noticed that i seemed different, while i felt
something similiar to the effects of smoking catnip;  i got giddy,
kinda silly, and a bit more active for about 15 minutes.  If your
trying to treat your w/ds, i remember reading that you should be
taking a stronger dose, at which level you would start to experience
the more sedating effects.  if it where cheaper, and i could be sure i
was making the tea in the most efficient manner,  i would have done
more experimenting with it.  sounds like its working for you.  try a
higher dose maybe.  be sure to boil the herbs at least twice and
always cover the pot (im not sure if kratom tea is at risk of
voliatile oils escaping).
good luck,  jen
On 7/8/05, Learntwolive@aol.com <Learntwolive@aol.com> wrote:
I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one
had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted
about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and
lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea
(with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to
lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz”
and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of
increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.
Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened
soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but
within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the
difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read
several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for
several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be
addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they
had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people
cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was
totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation
effects.


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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 10, 2005 at 10:14:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How did your nose feel?

It felt like it had some gritty powder in it. 🙂

Did the powder give any sensations of burning, numbness, or
whatever?

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 10, 2005 at 6:43:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:31:25 -0700

How did your nose feel?

It felt like it had some gritty powder in it. 🙂  I quickly figured out to followup with some saline solution…

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:13:15 -0700 Rick Strcat
>…  All doses were taken intranasally

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Tink?
Date: July 10, 2005 at 6:26:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tink?

How are you?

-Keith

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Crystal Meth Statement
Date: July 10, 2005 at 6:08:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: mitch-h@sbcglobal.net

Dana,

Here’s my “crystal meth” statement, with a tiny but important revision:
a phrase that originally read “abetted even by some pot activists” now
reads “abetted even by many pot and ‘ecstasy” advocates’. You may use
this version under the same conditions as I requested for the original:

_______________________________________________________

Many bug-chasers — along with many queer health-care bureaucrats and
virtually the entire “recovery industry” — have blamed crystal meth for
a rise in HIV seroconversions among gay men (or for their own unsafe sex
and seroconversions) — in the process, even making speed use a pretext
(or implicit excuse) for unsafe behavior — partly to deflect stigma
away from the behavior (and consequently-acquired HIV-positive status),
and partly to invoke and enlist HIV as an element of a “scare” campaign
against addiction. Then these same people have the nerve to preach to
users about denial!

I advocate, instead, a “radical harm-reduction” approach that would hold
speed users responsible for their sexual (and other) behavior — an
approach whose opprobrium on unsafe behavior even extends to
stigmatizing those with HIV who’ve willfully or knowingly serovonverted.
Those who implicitly assume that speed users automatically deserve (or
can’t help themselves to avoid) HIV have blood on their hands: they bear
much responsibility for any AIDS cases among users that result.

There’s also an elephant in the room! Much discussion about this drug
has avoided stating the obvious — that crystal meth is an
extraordinarily powerful aphrodesiac — and furthermore, that because of
this, the drug has had uncanny appeal within a gay male culture that in
many ways traces its roots back to the ethos of “free love.”

No one, however, uses speed thinking that it’s wholesome; for decades,
virtually the entire sentient public has known in advance that it’s
highly addictive, and that the aftermath of using it is a nasty crash.
Campaigns that point out speed’s inappropriateness to a “wellness
lifestyle” are therefore — especially in light of speed’s
“transgressive” image — useless (and even counterproductive): merely a
sick joke.

Add to all this the paranoia and corruption stemming from the “war on
drugs” (abetted even by many pot and “ecstasy” advocates seeking to
deflect anti-drug sentiment onto speed!), and the magnitude of the issue
becomes daunting — almost impossible, under many circumstances, even to
discuss rationally in public.

— Mitchell Halberstadt

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] faking it
Date: July 10, 2005 at 2:52:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess your right. My first thought just now was given enough population over a long enough timeline enough selfish, power hungry villans would be born to create this effect. Only on second though maybe we all contribute minutely to the chaos, each time we throw a gum wrapper on the ground or cut someone off in traffic..just a thought, we all have good “intensions”.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:19 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] faking it

Dear Keith,

because it is possible.
that is why?

Sara

While I’ve suspected these things, they are still horrifying Howard, and
they can’t help the Ibogaine cause. Money and the search for power seems
to control the doorways to everything. Why is it that the things that
truly help people are demonized, the things that have their roots in the
human spirit and have the potential to help us evolve as a species are
washed through academia and used for the pursuit of wealth and power?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:28 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] faking it

“Allegations of Fake Research Hit New High By MARTHA

MENDOZA, AP National Writer

Allegations of misconduct by U.S. researchers reached

record highs last year as the     Department of Health

and Human Services received 274 complaints âEUR” 50

percent higher than 2003 and the most since 1989 when

the federal government established a program to deal

with scientific misconduct.

Chris Pascal, director of the federal Office of

Research Integrity, said its 28 staffers and $7

million annual budget haven’t kept pace with the

allegations. The result: Only 23 cases were closed

last year. Of those, eight individuals were found

guilty of research misconduct. In the past 15 years,

the office has confirmed about 185 cases of scientific

misconduct.

Research suggests this is but a small fraction of all

the incidents of fabrication, falsification and

plagiarism. In a survey published June 9 in the

journal Nature, about 1.5 percent of 3,247 researchers

who responded admitted to falsification or plagiarism.

(One in three admitted to some type of professional

misbehavior.)

On the night of his 12th wedding anniversary, Dr.

Andrew Friedman was terrified.

This brilliant surgeon and researcher at Brigham and

Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School feared

that he was about to lose everything âEUR” his career, his

family, the life he’d built âEUR” because his boss was

coming closer and closer to the truth:

For the past three years, Friedman had been faking âEUR”

actually making up âEUR” data in some of the respected,

peer-reviewed studies he had published in top medical

journals.

“It is difficult for me to describe the degree of

panic and irrational thought that I was going

through,” he would later tell an inquiry panel at

Harvard.

On this night, March 13, 1995, he had been ordered in

writing by his department chair to clear up what

appeared to be suspicious data.

But Friedman didn’t clear things up.

“I did something which was the worst possible thing I

could have done,” he testified.

He went to the medical record room, and for the next

three or four hours he pulled out permanent medical

files of a handful of patients. Then, covered up his

lies, scribbling in the information he needed to

support his study.

“I created data. I made it up. I also made up patients

that were fictitious,” he testified.

Friedman’s wife met him at the door when he came home

that night. He wept uncontrollably. The next morning

he had an emergency appointment with his psychiatrist.

But he didn’t tell the therapist the truth, and his

lies continued for 10 more days, during which time he

delivered a letter, and copies of the doctored files,

to his boss. Eventually he broke down, admitting first

to his wife and psychiatrist, and later to his

colleagues and managers, what he had been doing.

Friedman formally confessed, retracted his articles,

apologized to colleagues and was punished. Today he

has resurrected his career, as senior director of

clinical research at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical Inc.,

a Johnson & Johnson company.

He refused to speak with the Associated Press. But his

case, recorded in a seven-foot-high stack of documents

at the Massachusetts Board of Registration in

Medicine, tells a story of one man’s struggle with

power, lies and the crushing pressure of academia.

Some other cases have made headlines:

_On July 18, Eric Poehlman, once a prominent nutrition

researcher, will be sentenced in federal court in

Vermont for fabricating research data to obtain a

$542,000 federal grant while working as a professor at

the University of Vermont College of Medicine. He

faces up to five years in prison. Poehlman, 49, made

up research between 1992 and 2000 on issues like

menopause, aging and hormone supplements to win

millions of dollars in grant money from the federal

government. He is the first researcher to be

permanently barred from ever receiving federal

research grants again.

In 2001, while he was being investigated, Poehlman

left the medical school and was awarded a $1 million

chair in nutrition and metabolism at the University of

Montreal, where officials say they were unaware of his

problems. He resigned in January when his contract

expired.

_In March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University

rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was

found to have made up two families and their medical

conditions in grant applications to the     National

Institutes of Health. He has resigned from the

university and has been suspended from receiving

federal grants for three years.

_In November, 2004, federal officials found that Dr.

Ali Sultan, an award-winning malaria researcher at the

Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text

and figures, and falsified his data âEUR” substituting

results from one type of malaria for another âEUR” on a

grant application for federal funds to study malaria

drugs. When brought before an inquiry committee,

Sultan tried to pin the blame on a postdoctoral

student. Sultan resigned and is now a faculty member

at Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, according

to a spokeswoman there.

While the cases are high-profile, scientists have been

cheating for decades.

In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin, a top-ranking

Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute researcher, used a

marker to make black patches of fur on white mice in

an attempt to prove his new skin graft technique was

working.

His case prompted     Al Gore, then a young Democratic

congressman from Tennessee, to hold the first

congressional hearings on the issue.

“At the base of our involvement in research lies the

trust of American people and the integrity of the

scientific exercise,” said Gore at the time. As a

result of their hearings, Congress passed a law in

1985 requiring institutions that receive federal money

for scientific research to have some system to report

rulebreakers.

“Often we’re confronted with people who are brilliant,

absolutely incredible researchers, but that’s not what

makes them great scientists. It’s the character,” said

Debbi Gilad, a research compliance and integrity

officer at the University of California, Davis, which

has taken a lead on handling scientific misconduct.

David Wright, a Michigan State University professor

who has researched why scientists cheat, said there

are four basic reasons: some sort of mental disorder;

foreign nationals who learned somewhat different

scientific standards; inadequate mentoring; and, most

commonly, tremendous and increasing professional

pressure to publish studies.

His inability to handle that pressure, Friedman

testified, was his downfall.

“And it was almost as though you’re on a treadmill

that starts out slowly and gradually increases in

speed. And it happens so gradually you don’t realize

that eventually you’re just hoping you don’t fall

off,” he told a magistrate during a state hearing in

1995. “You’re sprinting near the end and taking it all

you can not to fall off.”

At the time he started cheating, Friedman was in his

late 30s, married and a father of two young children.

Following the path of his father, grandfather and

uncle who were all doctors and medical researchers, he

was an associate professor of obstetrics, gynecology

and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School and

chief of the department of reproductive endocrinology

at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

His reputation was tremendous and his work

groundbreaking. His 30-page resume highlighted

numerous awards and honors, lectures in Canada, Europe

and Australia, and more than 150 articles, book

chapters, reviews and abstracts. Of those, 58 were

original research articles, where he had designed

studies, conducted clinical trials, enrolled patients,

collected and analyzed data and made conclusions.

In the end, investigators found âEUR” and Friedman

confessed âEUR” to making up information for three

separate journal articles (one of them never

published) involving hormonal treatment of

gynecological conditions.

He testified that he was working 80 to 90 hours a

week, seeing patients two days a week, doing surgery

one day a week, supervising medical residents, serving

on as many as 10 different committees at the hospital

and the medical school and putting on national medical

conferences.

He did seek help, both from a psychiatrist, who

counseled him to cut back, and from his boss, who

demanded Friedman increase his research and refused to

reduce Friedman’s patient load.

As good as Friedman was as a doctor, surgeon and

researcher, he was actually a lousy cheater. One thing

that brought about his demise, in fact, was that the

initials he used for fictitious patients were the same

as those of residents and faculty members in his

program.

Unlike many scientists who file immediate lawsuits

when they’re caught, Friedman was repentant, resigning

from his positions at both Brigham and Women’s, and

Harvard.

In 1996, Friedman agreed to be excluded for three

years from working on federally funded research.

During the next three years he consulted with drug

companies, he paid a $10,000 fine to the state of

Massachusetts and surrendered his medical license for

a year, became very active with the     American Red

Cross, donating more than 500 hours, and attended

several lectures on ethics and record-keeping.

“Andy can never undo the damage that his actions have

caused. However, he has paid the price âEUR” his academic

career is ruined, his reputation sullied, and his

personal shame unremitting,” wrote Dr. Charles

Lockwood, then chair of obstetrics and gynecology at

New York University School of Medicine, in a letter on

Friedman’s behalf.

In 1999, after successfully petitioning to get his

license reinstated, he went to work as director of

women’s health care at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceuticals.

The job, which he still has, involves designing and

reviewing clinical trials for hormonal birth control,

writing package insert labels and lecturing to

doctors. Lately he’s appeared on television and in

newspaper articles responding to concerns about the

safety of the birth control patch.

Mary Anne Wyatt, a retired biochemist in Natick,

Mass., is one of several former patients.

“I think it’s not at all surprising that a drug

company would hire somebody who is very comfortable

with hiding the effects of very dangerous drugs,” said

Wyatt, who unsuccessfully sued him.

Ortho-McNeil spokeswoman Bonnie Jacobs said the

company was well aware of Friedman’s history when it

hired him. “He is an excellent doctor, an asset to our

company,” she said.”…

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] faking it
Date: July 10, 2005 at 2:19:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Keith,

because it is possible.
that is why?

Sara

While I’ve suspected these things, they are still horrifying Howard, and
they can’t help the Ibogaine cause. Money and the search for power seems
to control the doorways to everything. Why is it that the things that
truly help people are demonized, the things that have their roots in the
human spirit and have the potential to help us evolve as a species are
washed through academia and used for the pursuit of wealth and power?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:28 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] faking it

“Allegations of Fake Research Hit New High By MARTHA

MENDOZA, AP National Writer

Allegations of misconduct by U.S. researchers reached

record highs last year as the     Department of Health

and Human Services received 274 complaints — 50

percent higher than 2003 and the most since 1989 when

the federal government established a program to deal

with scientific misconduct.

Chris Pascal, director of the federal Office of

Research Integrity, said its 28 staffers and $7

million annual budget haven’t kept pace with the

allegations. The result: Only 23 cases were closed

last year. Of those, eight individuals were found

guilty of research misconduct. In the past 15 years,

the office has confirmed about 185 cases of scientific

misconduct.

Research suggests this is but a small fraction of all

the incidents of fabrication, falsification and

plagiarism. In a survey published June 9 in the

journal Nature, about 1.5 percent of 3,247 researchers

who responded admitted to falsification or plagiarism.

(One in three admitted to some type of professional

misbehavior.)

On the night of his 12th wedding anniversary, Dr.

Andrew Friedman was terrified.

This brilliant surgeon and researcher at Brigham and

Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School feared

that he was about to lose everything — his career, his

family, the life he’d built — because his boss was

coming closer and closer to the truth:

For the past three years, Friedman had been faking —

actually making up — data in some of the respected,

peer-reviewed studies he had published in top medical

journals.

“It is difficult for me to describe the degree of

panic and irrational thought that I was going

through,” he would later tell an inquiry panel at

Harvard.

On this night, March 13, 1995, he had been ordered in

writing by his department chair to clear up what

appeared to be suspicious data.

But Friedman didn’t clear things up.

“I did something which was the worst possible thing I

could have done,” he testified.

He went to the medical record room, and for the next

three or four hours he pulled out permanent medical

files of a handful of patients. Then, covered up his

lies, scribbling in the information he needed to

support his study.

“I created data. I made it up. I also made up patients

that were fictitious,” he testified.

Friedman’s wife met him at the door when he came home

that night. He wept uncontrollably. The next morning

he had an emergency appointment with his psychiatrist.

But he didn’t tell the therapist the truth, and his

lies continued for 10 more days, during which time he

delivered a letter, and copies of the doctored files,

to his boss. Eventually he broke down, admitting first

to his wife and psychiatrist, and later to his

colleagues and managers, what he had been doing.

Friedman formally confessed, retracted his articles,

apologized to colleagues and was punished. Today he

has resurrected his career, as senior director of

clinical research at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical Inc.,

a Johnson & Johnson company.

He refused to speak with the Associated Press. But his

case, recorded in a seven-foot-high stack of documents

at the Massachusetts Board of Registration in

Medicine, tells a story of one man’s struggle with

power, lies and the crushing pressure of academia.

Some other cases have made headlines:

_On July 18, Eric Poehlman, once a prominent nutrition

researcher, will be sentenced in federal court in

Vermont for fabricating research data to obtain a

$542,000 federal grant while working as a professor at

the University of Vermont College of Medicine. He

faces up to five years in prison. Poehlman, 49, made

up research between 1992 and 2000 on issues like

menopause, aging and hormone supplements to win

millions of dollars in grant money from the federal

government. He is the first researcher to be

permanently barred from ever receiving federal

research grants again.

In 2001, while he was being investigated, Poehlman

left the medical school and was awarded a $1 million

chair in nutrition and metabolism at the University of

Montreal, where officials say they were unaware of his

problems. He resigned in January when his contract

expired.

_In March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University

rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was

found to have made up two families and their medical

conditions in grant applications to the     National

Institutes of Health. He has resigned from the

university and has been suspended from receiving

federal grants for three years.

_In November, 2004, federal officials found that Dr.

Ali Sultan, an award-winning malaria researcher at the

Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text

and figures, and falsified his data — substituting

results from one type of malaria for another — on a

grant application for federal funds to study malaria

drugs. When brought before an inquiry committee,

Sultan tried to pin the blame on a postdoctoral

student. Sultan resigned and is now a faculty member

at Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, according

to a spokeswoman there.

While the cases are high-profile, scientists have been

cheating for decades.

In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin, a top-ranking

Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute researcher, used a

marker to make black patches of fur on white mice in

an attempt to prove his new skin graft technique was

working.

His case prompted     Al Gore, then a young Democratic

congressman from Tennessee, to hold the first

congressional hearings on the issue.

“At the base of our involvement in research lies the

trust of American people and the integrity of the

scientific exercise,” said Gore at the time. As a

result of their hearings, Congress passed a law in

1985 requiring institutions that receive federal money

for scientific research to have some system to report

rulebreakers.

“Often we’re confronted with people who are brilliant,

absolutely incredible researchers, but that’s not what

makes them great scientists. It’s the character,” said

Debbi Gilad, a research compliance and integrity

officer at the University of California, Davis, which

has taken a lead on handling scientific misconduct.

David Wright, a Michigan State University professor

who has researched why scientists cheat, said there

are four basic reasons: some sort of mental disorder;

foreign nationals who learned somewhat different

scientific standards; inadequate mentoring; and, most

commonly, tremendous and increasing professional

pressure to publish studies.

His inability to handle that pressure, Friedman

testified, was his downfall.

“And it was almost as though you’re on a treadmill

that starts out slowly and gradually increases in

speed. And it happens so gradually you don’t realize

that eventually you’re just hoping you don’t fall

off,” he told a magistrate during a state hearing in

1995. “You’re sprinting near the end and taking it all

you can not to fall off.”

At the time he started cheating, Friedman was in his

late 30s, married and a father of two young children.

Following the path of his father, grandfather and

uncle who were all doctors and medical researchers, he

was an associate professor of obstetrics, gynecology

and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School and

chief of the department of reproductive endocrinology

at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

His reputation was tremendous and his work

groundbreaking. His 30-page resume highlighted

numerous awards and honors, lectures in Canada, Europe

and Australia, and more than 150 articles, book

chapters, reviews and abstracts. Of those, 58 were

original research articles, where he had designed

studies, conducted clinical trials, enrolled patients,

collected and analyzed data and made conclusions.

In the end, investigators found — and Friedman

confessed — to making up information for three

separate journal articles (one of them never

published) involving hormonal treatment of

gynecological conditions.

He testified that he was working 80 to 90 hours a

week, seeing patients two days a week, doing surgery

one day a week, supervising medical residents, serving

on as many as 10 different committees at the hospital

and the medical school and putting on national medical

conferences.

He did seek help, both from a psychiatrist, who

counseled him to cut back, and from his boss, who

demanded Friedman increase his research and refused to

reduce Friedman’s patient load.

As good as Friedman was as a doctor, surgeon and

researcher, he was actually a lousy cheater. One thing

that brought about his demise, in fact, was that the

initials he used for fictitious patients were the same

as those of residents and faculty members in his

program.

Unlike many scientists who file immediate lawsuits

when they’re caught, Friedman was repentant, resigning

from his positions at both Brigham and Women’s, and

Harvard.

In 1996, Friedman agreed to be excluded for three

years from working on federally funded research.

During the next three years he consulted with drug

companies, he paid a $10,000 fine to the state of

Massachusetts and surrendered his medical license for

a year, became very active with the     American Red

Cross, donating more than 500 hours, and attended

several lectures on ethics and record-keeping.

“Andy can never undo the damage that his actions have

caused. However, he has paid the price — his academic

career is ruined, his reputation sullied, and his

personal shame unremitting,” wrote Dr. Charles

Lockwood, then chair of obstetrics and gynecology at

New York University School of Medicine, in a letter on

Friedman’s behalf.

In 1999, after successfully petitioning to get his

license reinstated, he went to work as director of

women’s health care at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceuticals.

The job, which he still has, involves designing and

reviewing clinical trials for hormonal birth control,

writing package insert labels and lecturing to

doctors. Lately he’s appeared on television and in

newspaper articles responding to concerns about the

safety of the birth control patch.

Mary Anne Wyatt, a retired biochemist in Natick,

Mass., is one of several former patients.

“I think it’s not at all surprising that a drug

company would hire somebody who is very comfortable

with hiding the effects of very dangerous drugs,” said

Wyatt, who unsuccessfully sued him.

Ortho-McNeil spokeswoman Bonnie Jacobs said the

company was well aware of Friedman’s history when it

hired him. “He is an excellent doctor, an asset to our

company,” she said.”…

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] faking it
Date: July 10, 2005 at 2:02:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

While I’ve suspected these things, they are still horrifying Howard, and they can’t help the Ibogaine cause. Money and the search for power seems to control the doorways to everything. Why is it that the things that truly help people are demonized, the things that have their roots in the human spirit and have the potential to help us evolve as a species are washed through academia and used for the pursuit of wealth and power?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:28 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] faking it

“Allegations of Fake Research Hit New High By MARTHA

MENDOZA, AP National Writer

Allegations of misconduct by U.S. researchers reached

record highs last year as the     Department of Health

and Human Services received 274 complaints — 50

percent higher than 2003 and the most since 1989 when

the federal government established a program to deal

with scientific misconduct.

Chris Pascal, director of the federal Office of

Research Integrity, said its 28 staffers and $7

million annual budget haven’t kept pace with the

allegations. The result: Only 23 cases were closed

last year. Of those, eight individuals were found

guilty of research misconduct. In the past 15 years,

the office has confirmed about 185 cases of scientific

misconduct.

Research suggests this is but a small fraction of all

the incidents of fabrication, falsification and

plagiarism. In a survey published June 9 in the

journal Nature, about 1.5 percent of 3,247 researchers

who responded admitted to falsification or plagiarism.

(One in three admitted to some type of professional

misbehavior.)

On the night of his 12th wedding anniversary, Dr.

Andrew Friedman was terrified.

This brilliant surgeon and researcher at Brigham and

Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School feared

that he was about to lose everything — his career, his

family, the life he’d built — because his boss was

coming closer and closer to the truth:

For the past three years, Friedman had been faking —

actually making up — data in some of the respected,

peer-reviewed studies he had published in top medical

journals.

“It is difficult for me to describe the degree of

panic and irrational thought that I was going

through,” he would later tell an inquiry panel at

Harvard.

On this night, March 13, 1995, he had been ordered in

writing by his department chair to clear up what

appeared to be suspicious data.

But Friedman didn’t clear things up.

“I did something which was the worst possible thing I

could have done,” he testified.

He went to the medical record room, and for the next

three or four hours he pulled out permanent medical

files of a handful of patients. Then, covered up his

lies, scribbling in the information he needed to

support his study.

“I created data. I made it up. I also made up patients

that were fictitious,” he testified.

Friedman’s wife met him at the door when he came home

that night. He wept uncontrollably. The next morning

he had an emergency appointment with his psychiatrist.

But he didn’t tell the therapist the truth, and his

lies continued for 10 more days, during which time he

delivered a letter, and copies of the doctored files,

to his boss. Eventually he broke down, admitting first

to his wife and psychiatrist, and later to his

colleagues and managers, what he had been doing.

Friedman formally confessed, retracted his articles,

apologized to colleagues and was punished. Today he

has resurrected his career, as senior director of

clinical research at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical Inc.,

a Johnson & Johnson company.

He refused to speak with the Associated Press. But his

case, recorded in a seven-foot-high stack of documents

at the Massachusetts Board of Registration in

Medicine, tells a story of one man’s struggle with

power, lies and the crushing pressure of academia.

Some other cases have made headlines:

_On July 18, Eric Poehlman, once a prominent nutrition

researcher, will be sentenced in federal court in

Vermont for fabricating research data to obtain a

$542,000 federal grant while working as a professor at

the University of Vermont College of Medicine. He

faces up to five years in prison. Poehlman, 49, made

up research between 1992 and 2000 on issues like

menopause, aging and hormone supplements to win

millions of dollars in grant money from the federal

government. He is the first researcher to be

permanently barred from ever receiving federal

research grants again.

In 2001, while he was being investigated, Poehlman

left the medical school and was awarded a $1 million

chair in nutrition and metabolism at the University of

Montreal, where officials say they were unaware of his

problems. He resigned in January when his contract

expired.

_In March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University

rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was

found to have made up two families and their medical

conditions in grant applications to the     National

Institutes of Health. He has resigned from the

university and has been suspended from receiving

federal grants for three years.

_In November, 2004, federal officials found that Dr.

Ali Sultan, an award-winning malaria researcher at the

Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text

and figures, and falsified his data — substituting

results from one type of malaria for another — on a

grant application for federal funds to study malaria

drugs. When brought before an inquiry committee,

Sultan tried to pin the blame on a postdoctoral

student. Sultan resigned and is now a faculty member

at Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, according

to a spokeswoman there.

While the cases are high-profile, scientists have been

cheating for decades.

In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin, a top-ranking

Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute researcher, used a

marker to make black patches of fur on white mice in

an attempt to prove his new skin graft technique was

working.

His case prompted     Al Gore, then a young Democratic

congressman from Tennessee, to hold the first

congressional hearings on the issue.

“At the base of our involvement in research lies the

trust of American people and the integrity of the

scientific exercise,” said Gore at the time. As a

result of their hearings, Congress passed a law in

1985 requiring institutions that receive federal money

for scientific research to have some system to report

rulebreakers.

“Often we’re confronted with people who are brilliant,

absolutely incredible researchers, but that’s not what

makes them great scientists. It’s the character,” said

Debbi Gilad, a research compliance and integrity

officer at the University of California, Davis, which

has taken a lead on handling scientific misconduct.

David Wright, a Michigan State University professor

who has researched why scientists cheat, said there

are four basic reasons: some sort of mental disorder;

foreign nationals who learned somewhat different

scientific standards; inadequate mentoring; and, most

commonly, tremendous and increasing professional

pressure to publish studies.

His inability to handle that pressure, Friedman

testified, was his downfall.

“And it was almost as though you’re on a treadmill

that starts out slowly and gradually increases in

speed. And it happens so gradually you don’t realize

that eventually you’re just hoping you don’t fall

off,” he told a magistrate during a state hearing in

1995. “You’re sprinting near the end and taking it all

you can not to fall off.”

At the time he started cheating, Friedman was in his

late 30s, married and a father of two young children.

Following the path of his father, grandfather and

uncle who were all doctors and medical researchers, he

was an associate professor of obstetrics, gynecology

and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School and

chief of the department of reproductive endocrinology

at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

His reputation was tremendous and his work

groundbreaking. His 30-page resume highlighted

numerous awards and honors, lectures in Canada, Europe

and Australia, and more than 150 articles, book

chapters, reviews and abstracts. Of those, 58 were

original research articles, where he had designed

studies, conducted clinical trials, enrolled patients,

collected and analyzed data and made conclusions.

In the end, investigators found — and Friedman

confessed — to making up information for three

separate journal articles (one of them never

published) involving hormonal treatment of

gynecological conditions.

He testified that he was working 80 to 90 hours a

week, seeing patients two days a week, doing surgery

one day a week, supervising medical residents, serving

on as many as 10 different committees at the hospital

and the medical school and putting on national medical

conferences.

He did seek help, both from a psychiatrist, who

counseled him to cut back, and from his boss, who

demanded Friedman increase his research and refused to

reduce Friedman’s patient load.

As good as Friedman was as a doctor, surgeon and

researcher, he was actually a lousy cheater. One thing

that brought about his demise, in fact, was that the

initials he used for fictitious patients were the same

as those of residents and faculty members in his

program.

Unlike many scientists who file immediate lawsuits

when they’re caught, Friedman was repentant, resigning

from his positions at both Brigham and Women’s, and

Harvard.

In 1996, Friedman agreed to be excluded for three

years from working on federally funded research.

During the next three years he consulted with drug

companies, he paid a $10,000 fine to the state of

Massachusetts and surrendered his medical license for

a year, became very active with the     American Red

Cross, donating more than 500 hours, and attended

several lectures on ethics and record-keeping.

“Andy can never undo the damage that his actions have

caused. However, he has paid the price — his academic

career is ruined, his reputation sullied, and his

personal shame unremitting,” wrote Dr. Charles

Lockwood, then chair of obstetrics and gynecology at

New York University School of Medicine, in a letter on

Friedman’s behalf.

In 1999, after successfully petitioning to get his

license reinstated, he went to work as director of

women’s health care at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceuticals.

The job, which he still has, involves designing and

reviewing clinical trials for hormonal birth control,

writing package insert labels and lecturing to

doctors. Lately he’s appeared on television and in

newspaper articles responding to concerns about the

safety of the birth control patch.

Mary Anne Wyatt, a retired biochemist in Natick,

Mass., is one of several former patients.

“I think it’s not at all surprising that a drug

company would hire somebody who is very comfortable

with hiding the effects of very dangerous drugs,” said

Wyatt, who unsuccessfully sued him.

Ortho-McNeil spokeswoman Bonnie Jacobs said the

company was well aware of Friedman’s history when it

hired him. “He is an excellent doctor, an asset to our

company,” she said.”…

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] faking it
Date: July 10, 2005 at 1:28:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Allegations of Fake Research Hit New High By MARTHA

MENDOZA, AP National Writer

Allegations of misconduct by U.S. researchers reached

record highs last year as the     Department of Health

and Human Services received 274 complaints — 50

percent higher than 2003 and the most since 1989 when

the federal government established a program to deal

with scientific misconduct.

Chris Pascal, director of the federal Office of

Research Integrity, said its 28 staffers and $7

million annual budget haven’t kept pace with the

allegations. The result: Only 23 cases were closed

last year. Of those, eight individuals were found

guilty of research misconduct. In the past 15 years,

the office has confirmed about 185 cases of scientific

misconduct.

Research suggests this is but a small fraction of all

the incidents of fabrication, falsification and

plagiarism. In a survey published June 9 in the

journal Nature, about 1.5 percent of 3,247 researchers

who responded admitted to falsification or plagiarism.

(One in three admitted to some type of professional

misbehavior.)

On the night of his 12th wedding anniversary, Dr.

Andrew Friedman was terrified.

This brilliant surgeon and researcher at Brigham and

Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School feared

that he was about to lose everything — his career, his

family, the life he’d built — because his boss was

coming closer and closer to the truth:

For the past three years, Friedman had been faking —

actually making up — data in some of the respected,

peer-reviewed studies he had published in top medical

journals.

“It is difficult for me to describe the degree of

panic and irrational thought that I was going

through,” he would later tell an inquiry panel at

Harvard.

On this night, March 13, 1995, he had been ordered in

writing by his department chair to clear up what

appeared to be suspicious data.

But Friedman didn’t clear things up.

“I did something which was the worst possible thing I

could have done,” he testified.

He went to the medical record room, and for the next

three or four hours he pulled out permanent medical

files of a handful of patients. Then, covered up his

lies, scribbling in the information he needed to

support his study.

“I created data. I made it up. I also made up patients

that were fictitious,” he testified.

Friedman’s wife met him at the door when he came home

that night. He wept uncontrollably. The next morning

he had an emergency appointment with his psychiatrist.

But he didn’t tell the therapist the truth, and his

lies continued for 10 more days, during which time he

delivered a letter, and copies of the doctored files,

to his boss. Eventually he broke down, admitting first

to his wife and psychiatrist, and later to his

colleagues and managers, what he had been doing.

Friedman formally confessed, retracted his articles,

apologized to colleagues and was punished. Today he

has resurrected his career, as senior director of

clinical research at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical Inc.,

a Johnson & Johnson company.

He refused to speak with the Associated Press. But his

case, recorded in a seven-foot-high stack of documents

at the Massachusetts Board of Registration in

Medicine, tells a story of one man’s struggle with

power, lies and the crushing pressure of academia.

Some other cases have made headlines:

_On July 18, Eric Poehlman, once a prominent nutrition

researcher, will be sentenced in federal court in

Vermont for fabricating research data to obtain a

$542,000 federal grant while working as a professor at

the University of Vermont College of Medicine. He

faces up to five years in prison. Poehlman, 49, made

up research between 1992 and 2000 on issues like

menopause, aging and hormone supplements to win

millions of dollars in grant money from the federal

government. He is the first researcher to be

permanently barred from ever receiving federal

research grants again.

In 2001, while he was being investigated, Poehlman

left the medical school and was awarded a $1 million

chair in nutrition and metabolism at the University of

Montreal, where officials say they were unaware of his

problems. He resigned in January when his contract

expired.

_In March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University

rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was

found to have made up two families and their medical

conditions in grant applications to the     National

Institutes of Health. He has resigned from the

university and has been suspended from receiving

federal grants for three years.

_In November, 2004, federal officials found that Dr.

Ali Sultan, an award-winning malaria researcher at the

Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text

and figures, and falsified his data — substituting

results from one type of malaria for another — on a

grant application for federal funds to study malaria

drugs. When brought before an inquiry committee,

Sultan tried to pin the blame on a postdoctoral

student. Sultan resigned and is now a faculty member

at Weill Cornell Medical College in Qatar, according

to a spokeswoman there.

While the cases are high-profile, scientists have been

cheating for decades.

In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin, a top-ranking

Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute researcher, used a

marker to make black patches of fur on white mice in

an attempt to prove his new skin graft technique was

working.

His case prompted     Al Gore, then a young Democratic

congressman from Tennessee, to hold the first

congressional hearings on the issue.

“At the base of our involvement in research lies the

trust of American people and the integrity of the

scientific exercise,” said Gore at the time. As a

result of their hearings, Congress passed a law in

1985 requiring institutions that receive federal money

for scientific research to have some system to report

rulebreakers.

“Often we’re confronted with people who are brilliant,

absolutely incredible researchers, but that’s not what

makes them great scientists. It’s the character,” said

Debbi Gilad, a research compliance and integrity

officer at the University of California, Davis, which

has taken a lead on handling scientific misconduct.

David Wright, a Michigan State University professor

who has researched why scientists cheat, said there

are four basic reasons: some sort of mental disorder;

foreign nationals who learned somewhat different

scientific standards; inadequate mentoring; and, most

commonly, tremendous and increasing professional

pressure to publish studies.

His inability to handle that pressure, Friedman

testified, was his downfall.

“And it was almost as though you’re on a treadmill

that starts out slowly and gradually increases in

speed. And it happens so gradually you don’t realize

that eventually you’re just hoping you don’t fall

off,” he told a magistrate during a state hearing in

1995. “You’re sprinting near the end and taking it all

you can not to fall off.”

At the time he started cheating, Friedman was in his

late 30s, married and a father of two young children.

Following the path of his father, grandfather and

uncle who were all doctors and medical researchers, he

was an associate professor of obstetrics, gynecology

and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School and

chief of the department of reproductive endocrinology

at Brigham and Women’s Hospital.

His reputation was tremendous and his work

groundbreaking. His 30-page resume highlighted

numerous awards and honors, lectures in Canada, Europe

and Australia, and more than 150 articles, book

chapters, reviews and abstracts. Of those, 58 were

original research articles, where he had designed

studies, conducted clinical trials, enrolled patients,

collected and analyzed data and made conclusions.

In the end, investigators found — and Friedman

confessed — to making up information for three

separate journal articles (one of them never

published) involving hormonal treatment of

gynecological conditions.

He testified that he was working 80 to 90 hours a

week, seeing patients two days a week, doing surgery

one day a week, supervising medical residents, serving

on as many as 10 different committees at the hospital

and the medical school and putting on national medical

conferences.

He did seek help, both from a psychiatrist, who

counseled him to cut back, and from his boss, who

demanded Friedman increase his research and refused to

reduce Friedman’s patient load.

As good as Friedman was as a doctor, surgeon and

researcher, he was actually a lousy cheater. One thing

that brought about his demise, in fact, was that the

initials he used for fictitious patients were the same

as those of residents and faculty members in his

program.

Unlike many scientists who file immediate lawsuits

when they’re caught, Friedman was repentant, resigning

from his positions at both Brigham and Women’s, and

Harvard.

In 1996, Friedman agreed to be excluded for three

years from working on federally funded research.

During the next three years he consulted with drug

companies, he paid a $10,000 fine to the state of

Massachusetts and surrendered his medical license for

a year, became very active with the     American Red

Cross, donating more than 500 hours, and attended

several lectures on ethics and record-keeping.

“Andy can never undo the damage that his actions have

caused. However, he has paid the price — his academic

career is ruined, his reputation sullied, and his

personal shame unremitting,” wrote Dr. Charles

Lockwood, then chair of obstetrics and gynecology at

New York University School of Medicine, in a letter on

Friedman’s behalf.

In 1999, after successfully petitioning to get his

license reinstated, he went to work as director of

women’s health care at Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceuticals.

The job, which he still has, involves designing and

reviewing clinical trials for hormonal birth control,

writing package insert labels and lecturing to

doctors. Lately he’s appeared on television and in

newspaper articles responding to concerns about the

safety of the birth control patch.

Mary Anne Wyatt, a retired biochemist in Natick,

Mass., is one of several former patients.

“I think it’s not at all surprising that a drug

company would hire somebody who is very comfortable

with hiding the effects of very dangerous drugs,” said

Wyatt, who unsuccessfully sued him.

Ortho-McNeil spokeswoman Bonnie Jacobs said the

company was well aware of Friedman’s history when it

hired him. “He is an excellent doctor, an asset to our

company,” she said.”…

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 10, 2005 at 12:36:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ha hahaha heheheeeeee….sigh…

(sorry..couldn’t help it)

love,

Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:31 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

How did your nose feel?

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:13:15 -0700 Rick Strcat
…  All doses were taken intranasally

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 10, 2005 at 12:31:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How did your nose feel?

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:13:15 -0700 Rick Strcat
…  All doses were taken intranasally

Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get
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Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger
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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 10:11:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

El problema ahora es que no puedo encomtrar la pagina web que me mencionas
domde encontrase el magnesio
http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162
Octavio

The problem now is that I cannot find the it paginates web that you mention
me where finds the magnesium
http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio,
Si entiendo, ¿usted está preguntando acerca de la secuencia de las dosis
del
ibogaine que tomé?
Comencé con el ibogaine del magnesio 500 de el cual ordené
ethnogarden.COM

http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162

Guardé el dividir de esa cantidad visualmente hasta que había 5 dosis que
se
extendían de 250mg (a la izquierda en el paquete original) abajo a 32mg.
Primero tomé una dosis 32mg y esperé una hora para observar los efectos.
Después tomé otro 32mg y esperé otra hora.  Era listo afianzar a este
punto
si cualquier cosa era demasiado extraño – solamente estaba muy bien.
Guardé
el tomar una dosis más grande de cada hora hasta que fue ida.  Usted puede
necesitar comprar más que 500mg – 800mg a 1 gramo estaría probablemente
más
cercano dependiendo de su peso corporal.   La mayoría de la gente
considera
1mg – 2mg/ kilogramo de peso corporal a ser dosificación segura a comenzar
hacia fuera con a observar los efectos.  Si usted tiene cualesquiera
problemas del corazón, No recomiendo que usted hace esto.  Para mí, usar
este régimen de dosificación bajo al detox era un unremarkable sin dolor y
físicamente bonito – a menos que ése él trabajó. 🙂

Pozo de la nota: cada uno se parece reaccionar al ibogaine algo
diferentemente, proceda tan con la precaución.  Si usted tiene acceso al
consejo médico sobre esto sin poner en peligro su trabajo, sin falta
consígalo.   Una vez más el antedichos son simplemente mis experiencias y
no
los represento
como cualquier cosa más.

Recuerdos,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:14:26 -0500

Hola. Creo que eres Tu Rick Strac el que me puede ayudar de acuerdo con
lo
leido en este e-mail.
La forma de dosificar la Ibogaine y empezae a tomarla.
OK?.
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well
as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that
I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg
of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From
that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that
dish
I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured
out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me,
is

1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1
hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first
2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the
coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense
and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly
at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find
out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to
find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to
overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy
sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo,
I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read
Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music
toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that,
ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and
who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid –
there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 10:05:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:18 +0000

Octavio,
Si entiendo, ¿usted está preguntando acerca de la secuencia de las dosis del
ibogaine que tomé?
Comencé con el ibogaine del magnesio 500 de el cual ordené
^^^^^^

sorry, that should be 500 mg /not/ magnesio

ethnogarden.COM

http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162

Guardé el dividir de esa cantidad visualmente hasta que había 5 dosis que se extendían de 250mg (a la izquierda en el paquete original) abajo a 32mg.  Primero tomé una dosis 32mg y esperé una hora para observar los efectos.  Después tomé otro 32mg y esperé otra hora.  Era listo afianzar a este punto si cualquier cosa era demasiado extraño – solamente estaba muy bien.  Guardé el tomar una dosis más grande de cada hora hasta que fue ida.  Usted puede necesitar comprar más que 500mg – 800mg a 1 gramo estaría probablemente más cercano dependiendo de su peso corporal.   La mayoría de la gente considera 1mg – 2mg/ kilogramo de peso corporal a ser dosificación segura a comenzar hacia fuera con a observar los efectos.  Si usted tiene cualesquiera problemas del corazón, No recomiendo que usted hace esto.  Para mí, usar este régimen de dosificación bajo al detox era un unremarkable sin dolor y físicamente bonito – a menos que ése él trabajó. 🙂

Pozo de la nota: cada uno se parece reaccionar al ibogaine algo diferentemente, proceda tan con la precaución.  Si usted tiene acceso al consejo médico sobre esto sin poner en peligro su trabajo, sin falta consígalo.   Una vez más el antedichos son simplemente mis experiencias y no los represento
como cualquier cosa más.

Recuerdos,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:14:26 -0500

Hola. Creo que eres Tu Rick Strac el que me puede ayudar de acuerdo con lo
leido en este e-mail.
La forma de dosificar la Ibogaine y empezae a tomarla.
OK?.
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

>
>
> >From: HSLotsof@aol.com
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
> >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT
> >
> >Hi Ben,
> >
> >Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
> >amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?
>
> Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
> could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
> codeine per day without any discomfort.
>
> In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
> packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
> into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
> 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
> between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
> doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
> closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
> highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
> a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
> mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
> During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
> the beginning).
>
> The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
> whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
> opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
> out.  It had.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> >Thanks
> >
> >Howard
> >
> >In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
> >low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
> >empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
> >this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
> >resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
> >books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
> >the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
> >all can – and must – become our own therapists.
> >
> >This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
> >disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
> >things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
> >have
> >the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
> >way. >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 9, 2005 at 10:04:28 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Creo que me equivoque, el que me podría ayudar es HHSLotsof@aol.com debido a
lo que contesto acerca de las dosis y como tomarlas.
¿es correcto? o estoy equivocado? Rick Strac.
Gracias por tu atencion
Octavio
My English is very few, the translation is down:
I believe that I make a mistake, the one that I could help is
HHSLotsof@aol.com due to what I answer about the doses and as taking them.
is it correct? or am I mistaken? Rick Strac.
Thank you for your attention
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]

Hi Octavio,

I think I get the general idea and it sounds like detoxing would be be a
very good thing for you to do.  Sounds like you’ve put most of the pieces
together.  What is it that people on the list could still help you to find
out about?

I speak very little Spanish, so I put my text into an online translator at
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
hope this makes sense 🙂

Hi Octavio,
Pienso que consigo la idea general y que serían los sonidos como
detoxing sea una cosa muy buena para que usted haga.  Los sonidos como
usted
han puesto la mayoría de los pedazos juntos.  ¿Cuál es esa gente en la
lista
podría ayuda inmóvil usted descubrir
alrededor?
Respeto,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:47:59 -0500

Thank you for your answer, brother.
If I live in Mexico city. and I don’t have so much money to go to
Tijuana.
I have read some and-mails of ibogaine where they indicate the dose and
the
form of
to take it.
I found a place web where the Ibogaine sells. They can take it to
Mexico.
I am Médic Anestesiologhist and I have a lot of knowledge it has more
than
enough desintoxicacion.
that you say?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Just to clarify for any looking at these posts, Please Welcome Octavio
Solano to our list, I speak very broken castiallo and have been trying to
be
supportive..Does anyone speak Spanish that can help?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre
desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy
mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un
dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine
en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho
dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no
voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral
(tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y
my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate
there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HHSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well
as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that
I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg
of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From
that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that
dish
I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured
out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me,
is

1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1
hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first
2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the
coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense
and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly
at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find
out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to
find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to
overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy
sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo,
I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read
Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music
toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that,
ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and
who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid –
there’s
a
way. >>

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 10:00:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:57:18 +0000

Octavio,
Si entiendo, ¿usted está preguntando acerca de la secuencia de las dosis del
ibogaine que tomé?
Comencé con el ibogaine del magnesio 500 de el cual ordené
ethnogarden.COM

http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162

Sorry, that’s
http://www.ethnogarden.com/cart/index.pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162

Guardé el dividir de esa cantidad visualmente hasta que había 5 dosis que se extendían de 250mg (a la izquierda en el paquete original) abajo a 32mg.  Primero tomé una dosis 32mg y esperé una hora para observar los efectos.  Después tomé otro 32mg y esperé otra hora.  Era listo afianzar a este punto si cualquier cosa era demasiado extraño – solamente estaba muy bien.  Guardé el tomar una dosis más grande de cada hora hasta que fue ida.  Usted puede necesitar comprar más que 500mg – 800mg a 1 gramo estaría probablemente más cercano dependiendo de su peso corporal.   La mayoría de la gente considera 1mg – 2mg/ kilogramo de peso corporal a ser dosificación segura a comenzar hacia fuera con a observar los efectos.  Si usted tiene cualesquiera problemas del corazón, No recomiendo que usted hace esto.  Para mí, usar este régimen de dosificación bajo al detox era un unremarkable sin dolor y físicamente bonito – a menos que ése él trabajó. 🙂

Pozo de la nota: cada uno se parece reaccionar al ibogaine algo diferentemente, proceda tan con la precaución.  Si usted tiene acceso al consejo médico sobre esto sin poner en peligro su trabajo, sin falta consígalo.   Una vez más el antedichos son simplemente mis experiencias y no los represento
como cualquier cosa más.

Recuerdos,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:14:26 -0500

Hola. Creo que eres Tu Rick Strac el que me puede ayudar de acuerdo con lo
leido en este e-mail.
La forma de dosificar la Ibogaine y empezae a tomarla.
OK?.
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

>
>
> >From: HSLotsof@aol.com
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
> >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT
> >
> >Hi Ben,
> >
> >Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
> >amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?
>
> Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
> could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
> codeine per day without any discomfort.
>
> In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
> packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
> into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
> 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
> between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
> doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
> closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
> highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
> a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
> mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
> During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
> the beginning).
>
> The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
> whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
> opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
> out.  It had.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> >Thanks
> >
> >Howard
> >
> >In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
> >low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
> >empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
> >this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
> >resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
> >books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
> >the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
> >all can – and must – become our own therapists.
> >
> >This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
> >disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
> >things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
> >have
> >the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
> >way. >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 9:57:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Octavio,
Si entiendo, ¿usted está preguntando acerca de la secuencia de las dosis del
ibogaine que tomé?
Comencé con el ibogaine del magnesio 500 de el cual ordené
ethnogarden.COM

http://WWW.ethnogarden.COMcarroíndice.¿pl?cat_id=78&pro_id=162

Guardé el dividir de esa cantidad visualmente hasta que había 5 dosis que se extendían de 250mg (a la izquierda en el paquete original) abajo a 32mg.  Primero tomé una dosis 32mg y esperé una hora para observar los efectos.  Después tomé otro 32mg y esperé otra hora.  Era listo afianzar a este punto si cualquier cosa era demasiado extraño – solamente estaba muy bien.  Guardé el tomar una dosis más grande de cada hora hasta que fue ida.  Usted puede necesitar comprar más que 500mg – 800mg a 1 gramo estaría probablemente más cercano dependiendo de su peso corporal.   La mayoría de la gente considera 1mg – 2mg/ kilogramo de peso corporal a ser dosificación segura a comenzar hacia fuera con a observar los efectos.  Si usted tiene cualesquiera problemas del corazón, No recomiendo que usted hace esto.  Para mí, usar este régimen de dosificación bajo al detox era un unremarkable sin dolor y físicamente bonito – a menos que ése él trabajó. 🙂

Pozo de la nota: cada uno se parece reaccionar al ibogaine algo diferentemente, proceda tan con la precaución.  Si usted tiene acceso al consejo médico sobre esto sin poner en peligro su trabajo, sin falta consígalo.   Una vez más el antedichos son simplemente mis experiencias y no los represento
como cualquier cosa más.

Recuerdos,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:14:26 -0500

Hola. Creo que eres Tu Rick Strac el que me puede ayudar de acuerdo con lo
leido en este e-mail.
La forma de dosificar la Ibogaine y empezae a tomarla.
OK?.
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

>
>
> >From: HSLotsof@aol.com
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
> >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT
> >
> >Hi Ben,
> >
> >Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
> >amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?
>
> Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
> could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
> codeine per day without any discomfort.
>
> In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
> packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
> into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
> 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
> between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
> doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
> closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
> highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
> a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
> mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
> During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
> the beginning).
>
> The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
> whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
> opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
> out.  It had.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> >Thanks
> >
> >Howard
> >
> >In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
> >low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
> >empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
> >this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
> >resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
> >books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
> >the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
> >all can – and must – become our own therapists.
> >
> >This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
> >disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
> >things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
> >have
> >the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
> >way. >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 9, 2005 at 9:32:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hola, creo que me equivoque.es HSLotsof@aol.com el que me puede ayudar,
debido a lo que escribe en este e-mail.
Perdón. Muchas hracias por tu atención
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]

Hi Octavio,

I think I get the general idea and it sounds like detoxing would be be a
very good thing for you to do.  Sounds like you’ve put most of the pieces
together.  What is it that people on the list could still help you to find
out about?

I speak very little Spanish, so I put my text into an online translator at
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
hope this makes sense 🙂

Hi Octavio,
Pienso que consigo la idea general y que serían los sonidos como
detoxing sea una cosa muy buena para que usted haga.  Los sonidos como
usted
han puesto la mayoría de los pedazos juntos.  ¿Cuál es esa gente en la
lista
podría ayuda inmóvil usted descubrir
alrededor?
Respeto,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:47:59 -0500

Thank you for your answer, brother.
If I live in Mexico city. and I don’t have so much money to go to
Tijuana.
I have read some and-mails of ibogaine where they indicate the dose and
the
form of
to take it.
I found a place web where the Ibogaine sells. They can take it to
Mexico.
I am Médic Anestesiologhist and I have a lot of knowledge it has more
than
enough desintoxicacion.
that you say?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Just to clarify for any looking at these posts, Please Welcome Octavio
Solano to our list, I speak very broken castiallo and have been trying to
be
supportive..Does anyone speak Spanish that can help?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre
desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy
mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un
dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine
en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho
dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no
voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral
(tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y
my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate
there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well
as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that
I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg
of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From
that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that
dish
I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured
out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me,
is

1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1
hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first
2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the
coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense
and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly
at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find
out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to
find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to
overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy
sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo,
I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read
Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music
toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that,
ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and
who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid –
there’s
a
way. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 9, 2005 at 9:26:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here is what a search for mitragynine, one of the active ingredients in
kratom showed on pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed

Howard

1:  Horie S, Koyama F, Takayama H, Ishikawa H, Aimi N, Ponglux D, Matsumoto
K, Murayama T.    Related Articles, Links
Indole alkaloids of a Thai medicinal herb, Mitragyna speciosa, that has
opioid agonistic effect in guinea-pig ileum.
Planta Med. 2005 Mar;71(3):231-6.
PMID: 15770543 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
2:  Takayama H. Related Articles, Links
Chemistry and pharmacology of analgesic indole alkaloids from the rubiaceous
plant, Mitragyna speciosa.
Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2004 Aug;52(8):916-28. Review.
PMID: 15304982 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
3:  Matsumoto K, Horie S, Ishikawa H, Takayama H, Aimi N, Ponglux D, Watanabe
K.  Related Articles, Links
Antinociceptive effect of 7-hydroxymitragynine in mice: Discovery of an
orally active opioid analgesic from the Thai medicinal herb Mitragyna speciosa.
Life Sci. 2004 Mar 12;74(17):2143-55.
PMID: 14969718 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
4:  Takayama H, Ishikawa H, Kitajima M, Aimi N. Related Articles, Links
Formation of an unusual dimeric compound by lead tetraacetate oxidation of a
corynanthe-type indole alkaloid, mitragynine.
Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2002 Jul;50(7):960-3.
PMID: 12130854 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
5:  Tsuchiya S, Miyashita S, Yamamoto M, Horie S, Sakai S, Aimi N, Takayama
H, Watanabe K.    Related Articles, Links
Effect of mitragynine, derived from Thai folk medicine, on gastric acid
secretion through opioid receptor in anesthetized rats.
Eur J Pharmacol. 2002 May 17;443(1-3):185-8.
PMID: 12044808 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
6:  Takayama H, Ishikawa H, Kurihara M, Kitajima M, Aimi N, Ponglux D, Koyama
F, Matsumoto K, Moriyama T, Yamamoto LT, Watanabe K, Murayama T, Horie S.
Related Articles, Links
Studies on the synthesis and opioid agonistic activities of
mitragynine-related indole alkaloids: discovery of opioid agonists structurally different from
other opioid ligands.
J Med Chem. 2002 Apr 25;45(9):1949-56.
PMID: 11960505 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
7:  Takayama H, Aimi N, Sakai S.    Related Articles, Links
[Chemical studies on the analgesic indole alkaloids from the traditional
medicine (Mitragyna speciosa) used for opium substitute]
Yakugaku Zasshi. 2000 Oct;120(10):959-67. Review. Japanese.
PMID: 11082707 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
8:  Yamamoto LT, Horie S, Takayama H, Aimi N, Sakai S, Yano S, Shan J, Pang
PK, Ponglux D, Watanabe K.    Related Articles, Links
Opioid receptor agonistic characteristics of mitragynine pseudoindoxyl in
comparison with mitragynine derived from Thai medicinal plant Mitragyna speciosa.
Gen Pharmacol. 1999 Jul;33(1):73-81.
PMID: 10428019 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
9:  Thongpradichote S, Matsumoto K, Tohda M, Takayama H, Aimi N, Sakai S,
Watanabe H. Related Articles, Links
Identification of opioid receptor subtypes in antinociceptive actions of
supraspinally-administered mitragynine in mice.
Life Sci. 1998;62(16):1371-8.
PMID: 9585164 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
10:     Matsumoto K, Mizowaki M, Takayama H, Sakai S, Aimi N, Watanabe H.
Related Articles, Links
Suppressive effect of mitragynine on the
5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine-induced head-twitch response in mice.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1997 May-Jun;57(1-2):319-23.
PMID: 9164589 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
11:     Tohda M, Thongpraditchote S, Matsumoto K, Murakami Y, Sakai S, Aimi
N, Takayama H, Tongroach P, Watanabe H.   Related Articles, Links
Effects of mitragynine on cAMP formation mediated by delta-opiate receptors
in NG108-15 cells.
Biol Pharm Bull. 1997 Apr;20(4):338-40.
PMID: 9145205 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
12:     Watanabe K, Yano S, Horie S, Yamamoto LT.   Related Articles, Links
Inhibitory effect of mitragynine, an alkaloid with analgesic effect from Thai
medicinal plant Mitragyna speciosa, on electrically stimulated contraction of
isolated guinea-pig ileum through the opioid receptor.
Life Sci. 1997;60(12):933-42.
PMID: 9061050 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
13:     Matsumoto K, Mizowaki M, Suchitra T, Murakami Y, Takayama H, Sakai S,
Aimi N, Watanabe H. Related Articles, Links
Central antinociceptive effects of mitragynine in mice: contribution of
descending noradrenergic and serotonergic systems.
Eur J Pharmacol. 1996 Dec 12;317(1):75-81.
PMID: 8982722 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
14:     Matsumoto K, Mizowaki M, Suchitra T, Takayama H, Sakai S, Aimi N,
Watanabe H. Related Articles, Links
Antinociceptive action of mitragynine in mice: evidence for the involvement
of supraspinal opioid receptors.
Life Sci. 1996;59(14):1149-55.
PMID: 8831802 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
15:     Shellard EJ.    Related Articles, Links
Ethnopharmacology of kratom and the Mitragyna alkaloids.
J Ethnopharmacol. 1989 Feb;25(1):123-4. No abstract available.
PMID: 2716343 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
16:     Jansen KL, Prast CJ.    Related Articles, Links
Psychoactive properties of mitragynine (kratom).
J Psychoactive Drugs. 1988 Oct-Dec;20(4):455-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 3072396 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
17:     Jansen KL, Prast CJ.    Related Articles, Links
Ethnopharmacology of kratom and the Mitragyna alkaloids.
J Ethnopharmacol. 1988 May-Jun;23(1):115-9. No abstract available.
PMID: 3419199 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
18:     Zarembo JE, Douglas B, Valenta J, Weisbach JA.  Related Articles,
Links
Metabolites of mitragynine.
J Pharm Sci. 1974 Sep;63(9):1407-15. No abstract available.
PMID: 4473532 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
19:     Macko E, Weisbach JA, Douglas B.    Related Articles, Links
Some observations on the pharmacology of mitragynine.
Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther. 1972;198(1):145-61. No abstract available.
PMID: 4626477 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
20:     Lee CM, Trager WF, Beckett AH.  Related Articles, Links
Corynantheidine-type alkaloids. II. Absolute configuration of mitragynine,
speciociliatine, mitraciliatine and speciogynine.
Tetrahedron. 1967 Jan;23(1):375-85. No abstract available.
PMID: 6037287 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]
In a message dated 7/9/05 8:56:50 PM, jfreed1@umbc.edu writes:

<<

I’ve never used kratom for w/d symptoms, just recreationally. But from the

effects it had on me, it makes a lot fo sense that it would be good for

wd. Somwhere around 25g made into tea had effects pretty similar to about

150 mg or so of codeine… mild euphoria, pain relief, some nausea,

sedation etc. Except for the tea’s taste (i have to put in a metric

butt-ton of sugar to get it down) I found it to be very pleasurable.

I’ve also recently tried the super kratom or whatever it’s called, where a

dose is 3-6 g or something like that. Much easier to make and get down,

but didn’t seem quite as effective as tea made the usual way (boiling

twice, etc). Maybe I needed to take more…

Oh, and for whoever asked, kratom is (for now at least) perfectly legal in

the US. It’s also relatively inexpensive. =)

If for some reason i ever get hooked on dope again, I’d definately try

using kratom for wd.

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no

one

had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted

about

it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and

lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea

(with

an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to

lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no

“Buzz”

and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of

increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.

Just

increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.

I also

get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes

of

the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the

difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read

several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for

several

addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be

addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they

had a

friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help

people

cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was

totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation

effects.

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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 9:14:26 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hola. Creo que eres Tu Rick Strac el que me puede ayudar de acuerdo con lo
leido en este e-mail.
La forma de dosificar la Ibogaine y empezae a tomarla.
OK?.
Octavio

—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 9, 2005 at 8:56:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve never used kratom for w/d symptoms, just recreationally. But from the
effects it had on me, it makes a lot fo sense that it would be good for
wd. Somwhere around 25g made into tea had effects pretty similar to about
150 mg or so of codeine… mild euphoria, pain relief, some nausea,
sedation etc. Except for the tea’s taste (i have to put in a metric
butt-ton of sugar to get it down) I found it to be very pleasurable.

I’ve also recently tried the super kratom or whatever it’s called, where a
dose is 3-6 g or something like that. Much easier to make and get down,
but didn’t seem quite as effective as tea made the usual way (boiling
twice, etc). Maybe I needed to take more…

Oh, and for whoever asked, kratom is (for now at least) perfectly legal in
the US. It’s also relatively inexpensive. =)

If for some reason i ever get hooked on dope again, I’d definately try
using kratom for wd.

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no
one
had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted
about
it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and
lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea
(with
an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to
lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no
“Buzz”
and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of
increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.
Just
increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.
I also
get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes
of
the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the
difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read
several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for
several
addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be
addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they
had a
friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help
people
cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was
totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation
effects.

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From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 9, 2005 at 8:42:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Octavio,

I think I get the general idea and it sounds like detoxing would be be a very good thing for you to do.  Sounds like you’ve put most of the pieces together.  What is it that people on the list could still help you to find out about?

I speak very little Spanish, so I put my text into an online translator at
http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
hope this makes sense 🙂

Hi Octavio,
Pienso que consigo la idea general y que serían los sonidos como
detoxing sea una cosa muy buena para que usted haga.  Los sonidos como usted han puesto la mayoría de los pedazos juntos.  ¿Cuál es esa gente en la lista podría ayuda inmóvil usted descubrir
alrededor?
Respeto,
Ben

From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
CC: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 17:47:59 -0500

Thank you for your answer, brother.
If I live in Mexico city. and I don’t have so much money to go to Tijuana.
I have read some and-mails of ibogaine where they indicate the dose and the
form of
to take it.
I found a place web where the Ibogaine sells. They can take it to
Mexico.
I am Médic Anestesiologhist and I have a lot of knowledge it has more than
enough desintoxicacion.
that you say?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Just to clarify for any looking at these posts, Please Welcome Octavio
Solano to our list, I speak very broken castiallo and have been trying to be
supportive..Does anyone speak Spanish that can help?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

>
>
> >From: HSLotsof@aol.com
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
> >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT
> >
> >Hi Ben,
> >
> >Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
> >amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?
>
> Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
> could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
> codeine per day without any discomfort.
>
> In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
> packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
> poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
> into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
> 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
> between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
> doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
> closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
> highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
> a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
> mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
> During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
> the beginning).
>
> The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
> whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
> opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
> out.  It had.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> >Thanks
> >
> >Howard
> >
> >In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
> >low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
> >empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
> >this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
> >resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
> >books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 9, 2005 at 6:47:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for your answer, brother.
If I live in Mexico city. and I don’t have so much money to go to Tijuana.
I have read some and-mails of ibogaine where they indicate the dose and the
form of
to take it.
I found a place web where the Ibogaine sells. They can take it to
Mexico.
I am Médic Anestesiologhist and I have a lot of knowledge it has more than
enough desintoxicacion.
that you say?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Just to clarify for any looking at these posts, Please Welcome Octavio
Solano to our list, I speak very broken castiallo and have been trying to be
supportive..Does anyone speak Spanish that can help?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]
Date: July 9, 2005 at 6:28:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just to clarify for any looking at these posts, Please Welcome Octavio Solano to our list, I speak very broken castiallo and have been trying to be supportive..Does anyone speak Spanish that can help?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 6:25:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Creo que puedes tomar ibogaine sin un doctor pero debes tener algien, como un amigo para su seguridad. esto solo es mi opina.
Ibogaine es una droga muy fuerte.

Ok..suerte Octavio, debo ir al casa, hablamos manana?
-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:30 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 5:29:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Gracias por tu contestación, hermano.
Si vivo en Mexico city. y no tengo tanto dinero para ir a Tijuana.
He leido unos e-mails de ibogaine donde indican la dosis y la forma de
tomarlo.
Encontré un sitio web en donde venden la Ibogaine. La pueden llevar a
México.
Soy Médic Anestesiologhist y tengo mucho conocimiento sobre desintoxicacion.
¿que opinas?
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso
con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida
normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia
que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en
tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 9, 2005 at 5:20:40 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Irv,
Kratum is a herbal substance and is uncontrolled in the US except for under the analog laws which  loosely state” using any plant for a high is bad and the man will find you…lol” here’s a link on kratum from erowid http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml .

Keep your head up,

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:38 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Whats Kratom? Is it legal in the UNFREE USA? Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kratom

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea (with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz” and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.  Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation effects.

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 5:13:23 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Octavio, puedes ir al doctor para adiction? Yo no puedo porque soy mentiroso con mi familia y amigos. Vivo dos vidas, un vidas muy oscuro, y un vida normal. Tengo 28 anos edad y me parese 38 porque tomo heroina. Espero un dia que puedo vivir sin drogas. Lo ciento por tu dolor, peudes tomar ibogaine en tu pais? Vivo en los estados unidos, donde vivas tu?

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:32 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 4:49:03 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

De Nada Amigo, somos hermanos de addiction y tenemos un prolema mutuo. Crea en su mismo! y Puedes hacer cualquier cosa.

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:14 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

No sabes el gusto que me has dado al saber que me puedo comunicar con
alguien que entienda mi idioma y sobretodo el prolema que tengo.
Mil gracias
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 4:32:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Gracias. Estoy muy contento de saber que ya puedo entrar a la lista y
exponer mi problema.
Muchas gracias.
Tengo 47 años edad. I Am  Medic Anestesiologisht.  Soy adicto a
dextropropoxifeno (Darvón) fills  65 mg. y tomo hasta 14 fills  cada día.
Estoy muy enfermo y necesito desintoxicarme. El Darvon lo tome porque me
operaron  de la espina en 2 ocasiones en 1996 y me dejaron con mucho dolor
todo el tiempo.
Espero que me puedan ayudar con sus comentarios.
Muchas gracias por su atención.
Sinceramente Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 4:14:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No sabes el gusto que me has dado al saber que me puedo comunicar con
alguien que entienda mi idioma y sobretodo el prolema que tengo.
Mil gracias
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo
solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy
escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 9, 2005 at 3:37:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Whats Kratom? Is it legal in the UNFREE USA? Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kratom

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea (with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz” and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.  Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation effects.

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 2:00:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hola Octavio,

Mucho Gusto y bien benido a un lugar amable y lleno de informacion! Hablo solamente un poco castillano y intiendo nada de la idioma, entonces no voy escrebir mucho. Pero, Bien benido!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: octavio solano [mailto:solano56@att.net.mx]
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:22 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Octavio Solano
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “octavio solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 9, 2005 at 1:22:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: “Octavio Solano” <solano56@att.net.mx>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hola.
Ni name is Octavio. I am medic anetessiologhist. Y have 47 years ago.mu
problem is con desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) consumo has 14
pildoras diarias.
El tratamiento que abjo se describe se puede administrar por vía oral (tea).
Taks a lot.
Octavio
Hello.
My name is Octavio. I am medic anestesiologhis.  And have 47 years ago. Y my
problem is with desprtopopoxifeno (Darvon caps. 65 mg.) I consummate there
are 14 daily pills.
The treatment that abjo is described can administer himself for via oral
(firebrand).
Taks to lot.
Octavio
—– Original Message —–
From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I
could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of
codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that
packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I
poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out
half
into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >
1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour
between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2
32mg
doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with
eyes
closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal
highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less
than
a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and
mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at
all.
During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at
the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out
whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for
opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find
out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome
a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense
of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I
did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the
internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately,
we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on
doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who
have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s
a
way. >>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 9, 2005 at 9:20:44 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com [mailto:IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:52 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hiya List,
Yeah.  We’ve been invited to incorporate the use of ibogaine into two already existing clinics located in both Tijuana and Cancun.  Information about treatments is forthcoming either on a separate site or on mine very soon.  And yes, prices are in a range considerably less than what is available.  And yet there will be docs and nurses on hand..
Dr. Tom, who has been posting on the list, is overseeing activities, as well as myself.  Between us we’ve conducted over 630 treatments and feel good about what we’re doing, confident about the protocols we’re using and thankful to be involved in making treatments available as inexpensively and safely as we have already been during these past several years.
It’s going to take a couple of weeks or so to include the specifics.  If you like, please leave a message on the 888 no. on my site with a no. so i can call you and i’ll do so. The phone’s good for me as i’m up to about 4 1/2 wpm here.  Thanks.
Peace, illusive Peace to all,
Eric
www.ibeginagain.org

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I have Good News
Date: July 9, 2005 at 4:05:53 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Everybody :o)

I know you’ve all been missing me so much, I can feel the sadness seeping through my computer, through cyber space itself…………
Well, do not fear, dear friends, all is well, for I have Good News to tell you!

In approximately 5 days, I will be changing to a new server!  No more emailing problems for me!
And, oh boy, oh boy, I really am feeling chatty, I just cannot wait to catch up!!

So, dear friends, do not cry, for I must leave you all now, but never fear, the time will pass quickly.

Until then, Kia Kaha, my friends, Stay Strong!

Aroha

Captain Kirk xxxxxxxxxx

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 8, 2005 at 11:47:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:23:38 EDT

Interesting report.  Thanks

Howard

Yoiu’re more than welcome.  Btw, I’d just add that if I were doing this again, I’d probably take closer to 800mg to be sure of binding the ibogaine (or noribogaine, whichever it is that binds) to as many opiate receptors as possible.

Also, in case it wasn’t clear, the dosage sequence was from smallest (32mg) to largest (250mg) each dose separated by about an hour.

In case this isn’t well known, there’s a provider of certified quality ibogaine that accepts orders online at www.ethnogarden.com , though they won’t deliver to US addresses.

After having experienced the radically more unpleasant and demeaning alternatives to ibogaine, I want to add my voice to the many others saying that the present US laws against ibogaine are nothing short of insane.

And thanks to /you/ Howard – you’re the man.

In a message dated 7/8/05 5:14:14 PM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< >From: HSLotsof@aol.com

>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

>Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

>

>Hi Ben,

>

>Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,

>amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I

could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of

codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that

packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I

poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I

poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out half

into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >

1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour

between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2 32mg

doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with eyes

closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal

highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less than

a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and

mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at all.

During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at

the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out

whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for

opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find

out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

>Thanks

>

>Howard

>

>In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

>

><< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a

>low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of

>empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did

>this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet

>resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma

>books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward

>the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we

>all can – and must – become our own therapists.

>

>This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may

>disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing

>things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who

>have

>the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a

>way. >>

> >>

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 8, 2005 at 11:48:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

4 1/2 wpm?? You’re improving!! :]
Love you, tink ;]

On 7/8/05, IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com <IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com> wrote:

Hiya List,
Yeah.  We’ve been invited to incorporate the use of ibogaine into two
already existing clinics located in both Tijuana and Cancun.  Information
about treatments is forthcoming either on a separate site or on mine very
soon.  And yes, prices are in a range considerably less than what is
available.  And yet there will be docs and nurses on hand..
Dr. Tom, who has been posting on the list, is overseeing activities,
as well as myself.  Between us we’ve conducted over 630 treatments and feel
good about what we’re doing, confident about the protocols we’re using and
thankful to be involved in making treatments available as inexpensively and
safely as we have already been during these past several years.
It’s going to take a couple of weeks or so to include the specifics.
If you like, please leave a message on the 888 no. on my site with a no. so
i can call you and i’ll do so. The phone’s good for me as i’m up to about 4
1/2 wpm here.  Thanks.

Peace, illusive Peace to all,

Eric

www.ibeginagain.org

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From: IBEGINAGAIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:51:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hiya List,
Yeah.  We’ve been invited to incorporate the use of ibogaine into two already existing clinics located in both Tijuana and Cancun.  Information about treatments is forthcoming either on a separate site or on mine very soon.  And yes, prices are in a range considerably less than what is available.  And yet there will be docs and nurses on hand..
Dr. Tom, who has been posting on the list, is overseeing activities, as well as myself.  Between us we’ve conducted over 630 treatments and feel good about what we’re doing, confident about the protocols we’re using and thankful to be involved in making treatments available as inexpensively and safely as we have already been during these past several years.
It’s going to take a couple of weeks or so to include the specifics.  If you like, please leave a message on the 888 no. on my site with a no. so i can call you and i’ll do so. The phone’s good for me as i’m up to about 4 1/2 wpm here.  Thanks.
Peace, illusive Peace to all,
Eric
www.ibeginagain.org

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:28:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello ,hope youre all doing well. Yes ,i know ana & martin are from ib assoc.please feel free to contact ibeginagain on their site or email at ibeginagain@aol.com ,im sure he’ll provide you with all the details,price , & more than i can, wish you the best ,love shell

Learntwolive@aol.com wrote:
Could we clarify this?  “IBeginagain” is doing cheaper session the Ibo Assoc in Mex?

Shelly, Martin Polanco & Ana are from Ibo Assoc. (And I agree…they’re great!)

How does the price of the Mex Ibeginagain clinic compare with Mex Ibo Assoc.?

In a message dated 07/08/2005 3:31:21 AM Central Daylight Time, ibogaine-digest-help@mindvox.com writes:
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey again ,I hear that eric taub organization is doing sessions in mexico with medical assist for alot less than ib assoc,you know ,the ‘ibeginagain ‘ ibogaine site,they rule!!good luck-shell

shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I detoxed twice there with them, they are very caring, it is run very well and pretty convienent considering its in mexico. I went before their price went up so much,when randy hencken was there, I dont know the new docs but martin polanco & ana were the best!!!
best wishes for you!-shell
“VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:23:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Interesting report.  Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/8/05 5:14:14 PM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< >From: HSLotsof@aol.com

Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,

amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I

could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of

codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that

packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I

poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I

poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out half

into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is >

1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour

between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2 32mg

doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with eyes

closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal

highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less than

a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and

mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at all.

During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at

the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out

whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for

opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find

out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a

low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of

empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did

this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet

resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma

books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward

the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we

all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may

disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing

things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who

have

the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a

way. >>

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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 8, 2005 at 8:43:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know I saw a post on this previously.  But if I remember correctly, no one had any experience with this.  I believe the “Fire” guy actually posted about it.

Well, I purchased some and made some (very bitter) tea.

I’ve been waking up in a typical ‘recovery’ state.  i.e.. sore, tired and lethargic.  The last 2 mornings I’ve gotten up and slammed a glass of tea (with an OJ chaser to get rid of the taste!)

I’ll be damned if I didn’t become more alert, and the soreness seemed to lessen.  I had MOTIVATION to actually get up and do something!

I’m guessing I took around 20-30 grams (made into tea).  There was no “Buzz” and no “High”.  But this is the 2nd morning I’ve had the same result of increased motivation.  This is not a jittery, heart racing, speed, effect.  Just increased mental alertness and motivation.  Along with lessened soreness.  I also get a runny nose and sneeze, mostly in the morning, but within 15 minutes of the tea, it stopped.

I plan on using it on a “day on day off” routine to see if I can tell the difference, for sure.

If anyone else decides to try this, please post your results.  I’ve read several Internet sites where Kratom could be used to aid in w/d’s for several addictions.

I haven’t read anything about bad side effects other than it may also be addictive if used for prolong periods.  (I think someone posted that they had a friend who became addicted to it)

Hopefully its not a placebo effect and this can be something to help people cope with w/ds.  I wish I could have tried it right after my Ibo.  I was totally lethargic and would have loved to find out if it had Motivation effects.

From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 8, 2005 at 6:08:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Could we clarify this?  “IBeginagain” is doing cheaper session the Ibo Assoc in Mex?

Shelly, Martin Polanco & Ana are from Ibo Assoc. (And I agree…they’re great!)

How does the price of the Mex Ibeginagain clinic compare with Mex Ibo Assoc.?

In a message dated 07/08/2005 3:31:21 AM Central Daylight Time, ibogaine-digest-help@mindvox.com writes:
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey again ,I hear that eric taub organization is doing sessions in mexico with medical assist for alot less than ib assoc,you know ,the ‘ibeginagain ‘ ibogaine site,they rule!!good luck-shell

shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I detoxed twice there with them, they are very caring, it is run very well and pretty convienent considering its in mexico. I went before their price went up so much,when randy hencken was there, I dont know the new docs but martin polanco & ana were the best!!!
best wishes for you!-shell
“VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 8, 2005 at 5:13:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:17:58 EDT

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Sure.  Before this I was taking random amounts of random opiates that I could stabilize at any time to about the equivalent of 180mg – 250mg of codeine per day without any discomfort.

In terms of dosages, I started with a packet of 500mg ibogaine.  From that packet I poured out 1/2 ~= 250mg into a very small dish.  From that dish I poured out half ~= 125mg into a second similar dish.  From that dish I poured out half ~= 62.25mg into a third dish and from that I poured out half into a fourth tiny dish ~= 32mg.  The last, smallest amount, for me, is > 1mg/kg and < 2mg/kg.  All doses were taken intranasally with about 1 hour between doses.  There were no really noticable effects from the first 2 32mg doses.  After the third (65mg) dose I laid down for a few minutes with eyes closed and had a very clear, pleasant visual of driving down the coastal highway near Point Reyes.  This was the only visual and it lasted less than a minute.  After taking the final does I felt a warm, somewhat intense and mostly pleasant physical sensation.  The were no symptoms of nausea at all. During the whole process, I nibbled through one vicodin tablet (mostly at the beginning).

The next day, even though I felt no special craving, I wanted to find out whether my body had really reverted to pre-ibogaine tolerances for opiate-like substances, so I took half of a 5mg oxcycodone tablet to find out.  It had.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a
way. >>

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 8, 2005 at 4:37:40 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks brother
—– Original Message —– From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Ya, I’ll look for the address and phone number of the physician, I have it at the house.

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

I can get Ibo in Mexico???
—– Original Message —– From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time
in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m
not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away
quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of
travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I
dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on
me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I
maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to
work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to
myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a
tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [OT] Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
Date: July 8, 2005 at 2:36:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, you’re all very sick 🙂

.:vector:.

— nruhtra@dsskcorp.com wrote:

cant forget this one bro

love
c

http://www.phantom.com/~digital/06%20The%20Revolution%20Will%20Not%
20Be%20Televised.mp3

Plus, also:

While I’m at it –>

These are, obviously, like, archival backup copies or sumthin’  So
if
you lost your copies, then, re-obtain them.  Don’t STEAL MUSIC, the
RIAA needs gold-plated Ferrari’s mahn.

not me

On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:18 PM, tink wrote:

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsú <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Jun 30, 2005 5:22 AM
Subject: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
To: vox@mindvox.com

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

GIL SCOTT-HERON

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence confere…
Date: July 8, 2005 at 12:54:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: Beware the Mars Hoax
Date: July 8, 2005 at 11:33:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: NASA Science News
To: NASA Science News
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:40 AM
Subject: Beware the Mars Hoax

NASA Science News for July 7, 2005
There’s a rumor going around about Mars: It’s racing toward Earth and soon to be as large … as the full Moon?
FULL STORY at
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence confere…
Date: July 8, 2005 at 10:04:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey yehhh, give them reiki…. it’s easy to do.. will help with the cross
over…. just imagine energy coming from the Universe, thru your crown
chakra, thru your arms thru your hands into wherever you feel you should put
your hands……what a way to go..
Of course, you may not feel like it, but if ya do… a lovely gift for
Trish.
Hugs to you as well
Kirk xxxxxxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2005 1:57 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug
dependence confere…

i was going to ask you the same question…my friend trish is in the
process of dying from complete liver and pancreas failure, so i’ve
been a bit inncomunicado, but of course i’m still talking to you!!
More later
Love you
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence confere…
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:57:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was going to ask you the same question…my friend trish is in the
process of dying from complete liver and pancreas failure, so i’ve
been a bit inncomunicado, but of course i’m still talking to you!!
More later
Love you
tink

On 7/8/05, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
Are you talking to me?

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence confere…
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:44:12 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are you talking to me?

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Friday Night Planets Off Topic
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:23:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 7, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: Friday Night Planets
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 7, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

On Friday evening, July 8th, step outside and look west toward the
glow of the setting sun. You’ll see Venus and, just above it, the
slender crescent Moon. Now wait a bit, until the sky grows darker, and
Mercury pops into view, too. It’s a beautiful gathering. Visit
Spaceweather.com for a sky map and more information.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine at the college of problems of drug dependence conference
Date: July 8, 2005 at 9:18:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

POSTER SESSION I (Breakfast) Odd-numbered posters manned first hour;
Even-numbered, second hour Set-up time begins Sunday 1:00 PM Must be removed by Monday
12:30 PM
Room:Exhibition Hall 8:00 – 10:00 AM
Poster Board: 118
Date: Monday, 6/20/2005
Time: 8:00 A.M. – 10:00 A.M.

Offshore Investigations of the Non-Addictive Plant Alkaloid Ibogaine: 1996 to
2004

D.C. Mash, L. Duque, J.D. Kamlet, F.D. Ervin and K. Allen-Ferdinand
University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, FL, McGill University,
Montreal, Canada and Healing Visions, St. Kitts, WI

The apparent ability of ibogaine to interrupt dependence on heroin and
cocaine was first described in the early 1960s. Anecdotal accounts of the acute and
long-term effects of ibogaine have included only a small series of case
reports of opiate and cocaine addicts(Sheppard, 1994; Sisko, 1993; Alper et al.,
1999) with observations provided for only 7, 4 and 14 subjects, respectively.
Thus, objective investigations of ibogaine’s effects on craving for drugs and
alcohol and on the signs and symptoms of opiate withdrawal are not available. We
have evaluated the safety and pharmacokinetics of ibogaine in the setting of
an inpatient detoxification in over 400 patient volunteers assessed from 1996
to the present. We have attempted to collect data from this study using Food
and Drug Administration guidelines for good clinical practices. Our clinical
experience to date indicates that ibogaine has little toxicity in doses ranging
from 1 to 14 mg/kg. Oral administration of ibogaine to opiate-dependent
individuals was associated with significant blockade of the characteristic
opiate-withdrawal signs and symptoms. We have also examined whether ibogaine affects
drug craving using multidimensional craving questionnaires for heroin and
cocaine. To the extent that physical, psychological, and emotional well-being might
impact their self-reports of craving during their course of stay, participants
also completed standardized questionnaires about their health both before and
after ibogaine treatment and at program discharge. To assess whether the
benefits of ibogaine on drug craving would persist outside of a controlled
environment, one month follow-up data were also collected. The results of ibogaine
research conducted offshore indicates that ibogaine diminishes drug cravings and
improves mood. Ibogaine may an adjunct to brief intervention to help patients
to reduce risky or hazardous drug and alcohol use. Ibogaine also motivates
some drug-dependent patients to enter treatment with the goal of long-term
abstinence. (Supported in part by the Addiction Research Fund).
Keywords:
ibogaine

treatment

withdrawal

opiate

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POSTER SESSION I (Breakfast) Odd-numbered posters manned first hour;
Even-numbered, second hour Set-up time begins Sunday 1:00 PM Must be removed by Monday
12:30 PM
Room:Exhibition Hall 8:00 – 10:00 AM
Poster Board: 119
Date: Monday, 6/20/2005
Time: 8:00 A.M. – 10:00 A.M.

Structured Elicitation Narrative Reveals a Variety of Ibogaine Experiences

L. Duque, C. Foord, B. Page and D.C. Mash
University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, FL

Ibogaine is an indole alkaloid contained in the root bark of tabenanthe
iboga. Ibogaine has been used in equatorial Africa in a ritual context associated
with the Fang Bwiti religion. In the present study, the psychological and
subjective effects of ibogaine were evaluated in patients that met DSM-IV criteria
for dependence on cocaine (N=30; 10 females, 20 males) or opiates (N=30; 11
females, 19 males). Subjects narrated their subjective experience. The
interviewer trained in open-ended elicitation techniques, elicited descriptions of the
acute drug effects. After the initial stimulus question, the interviewer used
a guide questionnaire to assure that key areas of content received coverage in
each interview. The areas of content focused on sensations and perceptions,
and interpretations of the experience. A content coding scheme was developed to
catch key elements from the narrative. Cross coding was repeated until the
coders achieved greater than 90% agreement. The Hallucinogenic Rating Scale
(HRS, Strassman et al., 1994) was used to assess acute subjective responses. There
appears to be common elements to the subjective experiences of drug-dependent
patients treated with ibogaine. Ibogaine was administered as a single p.o.
dose (10 mg/kg) with an acute onset of between 30 to 90 minutes. The duration of
the active ‘waking dream stage’ was from 4 to 8 hours depending on the
subjects CYP2D6 genotype. All of the sixty subjects reported the experience of
visual phenomena from ibogaine. Approximately 40% (N=24) of the subjects reported
that they relived their negative experiences that resulted from past drug
abuse. Visions of previous early life events were reported by 30% (N=18) of all
participants, with 43% (N=26) reporting visions of self as a child. One-fourth
of the subjects had a vision of their own death and 10% reported death content
with respect to others. Emotional and cognitive effects were marked in these
subjects. The unique subjective effects of ibogaine may be developed as an
adjunct to brief intervention to more effectively promote abstinence in
drug-dependent populations.
Keywords:
Ibogaine

treatment

substance abuse

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
Date: July 8, 2005 at 4:22:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

cant forget this one bro

love
c

http://www.phantom.com/~digital/06%20The%20Revolution%20Will%20Not%
20Be%20Televised.mp3

Plus, also:

While I’m at it –>

These are, obviously, like, archival backup copies or sumthin’  So if
you lost your copies, then, re-obtain them.  Don’t STEAL MUSIC, the
RIAA needs gold-plated Ferrari’s mahn.

not me

On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:18 PM, tink wrote:

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From: Arsú <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Jun 30, 2005 5:22 AM
Subject: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
To: vox@mindvox.com

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

GIL SCOTT-HERON

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Howard S. Lotsof
Date: July 8, 2005 at 12:15:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/7/05 5:30:05 PM, VanAllK@sutterhealth.org writes:

<< My name is Keith, I am a constantly recovering IDU (although as of late
the source of my downfall has been running down the surface of the aluminum
foil) and I am new to the Ibo scene and have been on this list for awhile now. I
was wondering, are you the same Howard S. Lotsof who is accredited with the
discovery of ibo as an anti-addiction resource?  >>

At last an easy question.  Yes!

http://ibogaine.org/4499096.html

Howard

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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: This list has become lame / TJ
Date: July 7, 2005 at 8:00:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As a newbie here, I can see where the “extra” posts can be overwhelming at times.  Matt (who is obviously gay and upset about it) is the perfect example.  I wish I could filter vulgar email but unfortunately that doesn’t seem possible.

I’ve found good info here, but I’m not crazy about my mailbox being filled with the “extra”, (well intended) emails .  (or in Matt’s case…frustrated sexually confused emails)….sorry…had to bash after his vulgar email and then having 1/2 a brain cell to write “pls u dont know me dont make assumptions”. HA!  Ok…”extra” emails can be funny at times!

I know that this email is also a “extra well intended email” but I’d like to offer a suggestion. One idea would be, when someone needs to be sent “good vibes” or something like that, or you want to send a personal, 3 word, note…use their personal email so ‘everyone’ doesn’t have 10 “well wishes”  in our mail boxes.  Just a thought.

Anyway…on a note of interest (so this isn’t a total “extra” email)…., Someone asked about the clinic in TJ (Playa’s acutally).  I’ve been there.  The people there were great.  They backed off on their total dose (lots of rumors to why) which, in my opinion, and my experience, hindered the performance of the ibo.  Overall, a good, well run, place.  Just a short jump across the boarder.  They treat you great.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 7, 2005 at 6:45:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ben,
This is a beautiful note and gives a lot of people hope I think.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield

I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a way.

With much love,

Ben


“All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda
system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are
helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and
to consume.”
Noam Chomsky

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ekki
Date: July 7, 2005 at 6:38:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ekki
hey sorry for being so angry and so rude ……its not like me to get this upset and curse people i really enjoy reading posts from –like u and kirsta – was having a really tough week—–all a big misunderstaing…….lets forget about it—–fire u son of a bitch i too hope u stick around and keep ading ur sagacious input into this list…..
sending pure love

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Howard S. Lotsof
Date: July 7, 2005 at 5:29:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,
My name is Keith, I am a constantly recovering IDU (although as of late the source of my downfall has been running down the surface of the aluminum foil) and I am new to the Ibo scene and have been on this list for awhile now. I was wondering, are you the same Howard S. Lotsof who is accredited with the discovery of ibo as an anti-addiction resource?

Just curious,
Keith

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From: Marcus <aktionman@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
Date: July 7, 2005 at 3:53:55 PM EDT
To: digital@phantom.com

yo lodijj,
thanx 4 da moozak.
i’m still w8in 4 u 2 tell me how to save my old mail & shit like dat.
i’m shur u’ll get aroun 2 it.

p,l,&u
marcus

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 7, 2005 at 4:17:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ben,

Can you provide information on dose of ibogaine and effects as well as,
amount and type of prior and/or current opioid use?

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/7/05 10:19:08 AM, rickstrcat@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a
way. >>

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
Date: July 7, 2005 at 2:40:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Plus, also:

While I’m at it –>

These are, obviously, like, archival backup copies or sumthin’  So if you lost your copies, then, re-obtain them.  Don’t STEAL MUSIC, the RIAA needs gold-plated Ferrari’s mahn.

not me

On Jul 7, 2005, at 2:18 PM, tink wrote:

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsú <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Jun 30, 2005 5:22 AM
Subject: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
To: vox@mindvox.com

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

GIL SCOTT-HERON

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] Financial Terrorism
Date: July 7, 2005 at 2:18:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Friedrich von Hardenberg <knowledge-of-pain@new.rr.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2005 3:49 AM
Subject: [Vox] Financial Terrorism
To: gold currency warfare <gold_and_currency_warfare@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: vox@mindvox.com

“For those who still might not get it, I think that the Chinese may as
well be taking out an a full page ad in the Washington Post, stating,
‘We are going to buy up all of your oil and gas. And to accomplish
this task, we’re going to use all of those dollars you have been
sending us for the past ten years. And just what are you going to do
about it?’
http://www.howestreet.com/story.php?ArticleId=1324

June 29 2005

Financial Terrorism

The Daily Reckoning

London, England

Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Our current economic situation will make for great comic relief in
years to come… puffy indignation in the press… Help save Dan
Denning from women’s clothing… what the Unocal takeover really
means… The U.S. only has itself to blame… a dark new twist to the
world economy… and more!

How we would love to read the history books 100 years from now! What
will they make of our strange Pax Dollarium with all its bizarre
illusions and silly conceits? We’re convinced that they will judge it
neither good nor bad, but simply hilarious.

The list of absurdities that Americans will believe is long. What is
the short is how long a nation can live with such hallucinations. At
the current rate, the United States squanders its national wealth at
the rate of more than 6% of GDP and approximately 1% of its total
balance sheet annually.

“There is a lot of ruin in a nation,” said Lord Keynes. What we’re
finding out is how much.

Just last week, China announced a bid for one of America’s oldest oil
companies. All of a sudden, China was in North America…threatening
to take away resources Americans had taken for granted. We’re watching
the puffy indignation in the press.

When the Greeks expanded their empire, they set up colonies in on the
coast of Anatolia and around the Black Sea. (Their descendants are
still there. After having been cut off from the homeland for more than
2,000 years; they apparently speak a form of ancient Greek, now
unintelligible to people in Athens.)

When the Roman Empire was a going concern, Romans built villas all
over Europe and the Middle East. You can still see many of them today.

When European empires took over the world, they took whole countries –
and seized whatever resources they needed for their factories and
industries back in the homelands.

Even the American empire, at its debut, had the right idea. American
companies bought up millions of acres of banana-land for example, and
oil fields overseas…and minerals.

But now, in the five-year of the reign of George W. Bush, the history
of empire has taken an odd and humiliating new turn. Now it is the
poor country on the periphery that it taking control of resources in
the homeland!

All of these are interesting.

Usually, rich countries buy up natural resources in poor ones. China’s
bid for one of America’s oldest and most iconic oil companies is not
only novel, it is a signal event – like the entry of America into WWI
on April 8, 1917, the closing of the gold window at the U.S. Treasury
on August 15, 1971 or Elvis Presley’s appearance on the Ed Sullivan
show; it tells us that things have changed.

Bill Bonner, with more views:

*** *** Now here’s a cause we can get behind: help save Denning from
another run in with a green sarong.

A little background…Dan Denning’s book The Bull Hunter is just one
spot behind Thomas L. Friedman’s “The World Is Flat” on Amazon’s
business best-seller list. Dan wrote with this challenge this morning:

“We just passed ‘The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.’ Eventually,
we’ll pass Friedman and have to deal with the boy wizard, Harry
Potter. One step at a time. But if we don’t pass ‘The World Is Flat’
in the next twenty-four hours, I vow to buy myself a new green sarong
in Paris and don it at the Agora Wealth Symposium in Vancouver. It’s
not a threat I’d like to have to make good on. But I’ve done it
before…”

If you’re not a long-time sufferer of the Daily Reckoning, you may not
be familiar with the story. Mr. Denning was once locked out of his
apartment in Paris, on Bastille Day, wearing nothing but his boxer
shorts. He subsequently borrowed a green sarong from an attractive
young French woman, who was apparently as equally lacking in clothing
as he.

He tells the story in the opening chapters of Bull Hunter…which you
can read by using AMZN’s “Look Inside” feature at this link (we
realize this link is very long, so you may have to copy and paste it
into your browser):

The Man In The Green Sarong
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/new-for-you/top-sellers/-/books/3/ref=pd_ts_b_nav/102-7297237-6666545?ts-parent-id=1000

While you’re there, do the young man a favor and buy the book, so he
can zip past Friedman…and avoid having to wear another green sarong
in Vancouver this August.

*** “Make no mistake in understanding what is going on,” writes our
Pittsburgh correspondent, Byron King. “The Unocal takeover effort is a
test by the Chinese government of U.S. national will. The Chinese have
an energy-based national strategy, and upon it they are acting. You
can disregard this at your peril.

“I hold no animus against China, its people or leaders, nor CNOOC. In
fact, I have admire them all for their worthy level of logical
thinking, their sense of grand strategy, and for their straightforward
approach to international competition. There is nothing inscrutable
about what is going on here. If you understand what you are observing,
there is no subtlety about this event. There is none at all.

“For those who still might not get it, I think that the Chinese may as
well be taking out an a full page ad in the Washington Post, stating,
‘We are going to buy up all of your oil and gas. And to accomplish
this task, we’re going to use all of those dollars you have been
sending us for the past ten years. And just what are you going to do
about it?’

“Yes, just what are we going to do about it? My hope is that the
Unocal takeover competition will be as much of a wake up call to the
United States over its fundamental economic and monetary issues, as
was the Union Oil well blowout in Santa Barbara in 1969, which
galvanized the current environmental movement. If not, the U.S. has
only itself to blame.”

*** We wondered months ago what China and Japan would do with all the
dollars they were accumulating. They would only hold U.S. Treasuries
for so long, we suggested. Sooner or later, they would want something
that was of real value to them. “Natural resources,” said Dan Denning
at the time. “That’s what they need. That’s what they’ll want.”

Now, Dan suggests a possible dark new twist to the world economy: a
“return to the 1930s option.” In the ’30s, Germany and Japan decided
that natural resources were critical to their national economies.
Japan expanded around the East Rim of the Pacific basin in the name of
its “co-prosperity sphere.” Its economy needed resources; it saw
nothing wrong with taking them. Germany, meanwhile, coveted the
“lebensraum” of the East. It intended to make much of Poland and
Russian into German-speaking areas. It also targeted the oil fields of
Southeastern Europe.

The sale of U.S. energy assets to China are “perfectly legal under
market capitalism,” Dan explains, “but against the national interest.
This is also the “return to the 1930s option” when national imperial
ambitions ran up against the growing demand for scarce resources.
National interests trumped free markets. Wars were fought.”

The nationalists argue that oil companies and natural resources are
not what we thought they were. They are not private property; instead,
they belong to the nation. Protecting national assets (even those
owned by individuals) makes no sense in free market terms. But it made
sense to Mussolini. And it is likely to make sense to a lot of
Americans as the absurdities of the U.S. system of imperial finance
come to light.

Patrick Buchanan quotes Christopher Lasch: “Whatever its faults,
middle-class nationalism provided a common ground, common standards, a
common frame of reference without which society dissolves into nothing
more than contending factions, as the Founding Fathers of America
understood so well – a war of all against all.”

“Global free trade is a Faustian bargain,” writes Buchanan. “A nation
sells its soul for a cornucopia of foreign goods. First the nation
gives up its independence; then its sovereignty, and finally its
birthright -nationhood itself.”

We know of no nation that ever lost its soul or its nationhood to free
trade. We know of several that went broke under protectionist regimes.
But neither free trade nor protectionism will save a nation from the
consequences of spending more than it can afford.

*** “Welcome to a typical English summer,” said the concierge at our
apartment building last night. We had left a sweltering Paris. But in
London, it rained. This morning, the rain continues. It is cool. It is
windy. It is summer in Britain.

The Daily Reckoning PRESENTS: Of all the geopolitical events looming
on the horizon for America, the largest one is the potential for
conflict with Iran – which would certainly cause a major change in the
world economy. Dan Denning offers his advice for investors who are
willing to prepare for the unexpected…

FINANCIAL TERRORISM
by Dan Denning

Contrary to what you see in the press, though, the average Frenchman
or woman is not that different from you, except, perhaps, at the
dinner table. The French take their food seriously. A cup of coffee or
a three hour dinner is not just about the quality of the food or the
wine. Eating is a social experience in France. What’s more, serving
food is a serious profession for which men and women go to school in
France.

That may seem silly to Americans. But you can see why a Frenchman who
deals with food professionally chafes at being bossed around by
Americans who deal with food recreationally. For the French, food is
serious pleasure, to be relished and treated with respect. For
Americans, food is serious business, to be consumed and treated with
salt.

Americans want prompt service, healthy portions, and plenty of
attention for an extra fork, some more napkins, or another Coke. The
French want to be left alone to eat, talk, and digest. I am convinced
that much of the animosity between America and France stems from the
difference in the way we treat food. A lot would be resolved if both
nations treated food the way the English do, namely as something to be
deep-fried, eaten, and tolerated between cups of coffee or pints of
lager.

This culinary side trip has served a purpose, I hope. When you visit
foreign countries, it takes you out of your comfort zone. Other people
have different customs. The food is different. Often the language is
different. Making yourself uncomfortable causes you to see things you
wouldn’t otherwise see. It changes your perspective. It’s also a way
of showing yourself that what once seemed too challenging to attempt
is actually not as hard as it looks. But what does it mean to make
yourself uncomfortable as investors? There are three answers to this
question.

First, it means being bold enough to think unconventionally. This, of
course, is the whole bull hunter philosophy. You recognize that the
world is always changing and that what worked yesterday may not work
tomorrow. You are willing to try new approaches to achieve your
investment goals.

Second, it means using all the tools at your disposal. This can
sometimes be even more difficult than allowing yourself to think
differently. Most of us are lazy. We’d do as little as possible to
achieve our investment goals, if we could get away with it. But these
days, doing as little as possible is the same thing as doing nothing
at all.

Finally, you have to be willing to ask the questions no one else wants
to ask. In the investment world, thinking about the future can be a
dangerous game. You can’t predict the future. If you invest your money
based on faulty predictions, you could easily lose it. Yet the
investor’s greatest challenge is to figure out what price to pay today
for future earnings that are unpredictable. The further you go into
the future, the harder it is to tell what tomorrow will bring and what
you should be willing to pay for it today.

But the stock market looks ahead, not behind. And so we have to look
ahead, too, to try to see what’s coming, if not in the earnings
picture, then at least in the bigger picture. You’re going to be
investing in a stock market driven by geopolitical events as much as
earnings, probably for the rest of your investment life. That means
trying to decipher what events like war in the Middle East or high
personal debt levels in America might mean for the stock market.

It’s also possible to look into the future and make some intelligent
speculations on what might happen. Using options on index funds and
exchange-traded funds is one way that modern investors can insure
themselves against large, macroeconomic risks. It is not foolproof
insurance. And it is not without risk. But in a dangerous and
uncomfortable world, it is one practical way to begin putting the
tools at your disposal to work.

In a speech I gave in Chicago in 2004, I made the case for $100-a
barrel oil to 150 options investors. They were shocked, skeptical, and
intrigued, by turns. I told them that event-driven investment moves –
the kind where an external event shocks markets and causes a big move
up or down in a sector or the whole market – are nearly impossible to
predict. But strategic foresight can help you prepare for some of
them.

One of the largest geopolitical events looming on the horizon today is
a potential conflict with Iran. Iran is a charter member of President
George W. Bush’s Axis of Evil. Iran is near the top of the president’s
foreign policy agenda for his second term. At stake is whether Iran
will become a nuclear power. It’s not clear how this would change the
world. What is clear is that the mullahs who run Iran have a strategic
vision of their own. To investors, what ought to be even clearer is
what the consequences of a war with Iran would mean: $100 oil.

Any economist worth his or her pocket protector will tell you that
$100 oil is not economically sustainable. The world simply could not
afford to pay $100 for a barrel of oil – for a sustained period of
time. It would create a world of oil haves and have-nots, and might
even precipitate oil wars between nations desperately competing over a
scarce and expensive natural resource. Not only would it drive U.S.
gasoline prices to unimaginable heights, the shock of such a dramatic
rise in energy costs would throw the world’s economy into a deep and
painful recession, if not a depression. But that doesn’t mean it
couldn’t happen anyway – at least for a few days or weeks.

You don’t have to be Dr. Strangelove to envision what the Iranian
strategy might be against the U.S. economy. I say economy and not
military. The nature of an Iranian counterattack would mostly likely
be to strike against U.S. economic interests. And what greater
interest than oil? After all, it’s much easier to drive the price of
oil to $100 a barrel and instigate a political firestorm in
Washington, D.C., than it is to defend against American strategic
bombers and precision-guided munitions. Iran knows that America and
all of Europe and Japan are addicted to oil.

Much of that oil comes from the Persian Gulf and must physically pass
through the Strait of Hormuz to get to its final destinations. By
choking off the supply of oil at this strategic point, Iran could
exert enormous pressure on the United States, which would itself be
pressured by those who desperately count on Middle East oil and want
no part of America’s quarrel with Iran.

With such a potentially high economic price to pay for a war with
Iran, I’ve been told by some strategic investors that the United
States would never risk it. But here is a question to make you
uncomfortable: If it is plain for all to see that the way to America’s
weakness is through interrupting the flow of oil from the Persian
Gulf, isn’t it just a matter of time until someone tries it? Instead
of fighting a war conventionally, why not try economic warfare,
attacking what makes a country strong to begin with – its economy?

In total economic warfare, you attack a country’s access to natural
resources or its currency. By attacking its economy, you indirectly
weaken its ability to attack you militarily.

If not Iran, then perhaps al Qaeda? And if not at the Strait of
Hormuz, then perhaps at the Saudi oil refinery of Ras Tanura, one of
the world’s biggest and most productive? Even the British Broadcasting
Corporation (BBC) sees what could happen. In 2004, the BBC aired a
docudrama about what’s been called an “energy Pearl Harbor.”

Here’s how it works (in the mind of the BBC). A rogue Middle Eastern
oil trader works for a major money-center bank. Working in concert
with his terrorist conspirators in Saudi Arabia, the trader takes an
enormous leveraged position short crude oil, much as a hedge fund or
institution might. At the same time, al Qaeda terrorists target the
Saudi oil facility of Ras Tanura, the largest oil complex in the
world. Ras Tanura cranks out almost 4.5 million barrels per day.
Former CIA agent Robert Baer wrote in his book Sleeping With the Devil
(Crown, 2003) that an attack like the one on the U.S.S. Cole in 2000
could knock out Ras Tanura for weeks. Baer also speculates that if the
oil processing facility of Abqaiq were attacked via a hijacked
jetliner, it would reduce Saudi production by as much as 4 million
barrels per day for up to seven months.

You get the picture. The trader takes a huge position short. The oil
price spikes on the terror attack. The leveraged short position
becomes a form of financial terrorism. The banks’ losses mount to the
stratosphere. They hit their capital reserve requirements. They must
liquidate others’ assets. They are forced to sell, causing a wave of
selling by other financial institutions.

The BBC presentation of the story morphed into the trader’s “real”
motives. He was upset with his bosses’ focus on profits and turned out
not to be in collaboration with al Qaeda. It’s all fiction anyway. But
if you were looking for a way to put Western economies in checkmate,
sending the oil price sky-high and precipitating a financial crisis at
the same time, it’s hard to think of a better way – if you practiced
total economic warfare, that is.

Regards,

Dan Denning
for The Daily Reckoning

The Daily Reckoning: The Daily Reckoning, June 29 2005
Financial Terrorism
Our current economic situation will make for great comic relief in
years to come… puffy indignation in the press… Help save Dan
Denning from women’s clothing… what the Unocal takeover really
means… The U.S. only has itself to blame… a dark new twist to the
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
Date: July 7, 2005 at 2:18:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Arsú <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Jun 30, 2005 5:22 AM
Subject: [Vox] old fashioned lyrics
To: vox@mindvox.com

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

GIL SCOTT-HERON

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 2:17:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick-
I’m glad your voice popped up when it did-and with words I can’t
disagree with.  As the FBI makes it way over to “help”, I can’t stop
wondering what heinous things are being agreed upon at the G8
Conference and every where else.  It’ll be an interesting day to
peruse news sources to see what’s happening while the world’a
attention is focused elsewhere.
To all in London, my love and thoughts are with you.
To all of us, may the world get it’s collective head out of it’s ass
sooner than later.
love
tink

On 7/7/05, Jellking <jellking@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Nick, glad you’re OK.  You’re right about the bullshit, too.  Luv ya,
Jane

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Preston,

Thank you.

I’m not in London and I never really read the news or get to see tv but I
feel very sad about it and people are pretty shocked. I think we’re gonna do
some silence here at the centre where I live.

No doubt, Al Qaeda will be blamed or take responsibility, but this is pure
bullshit, if you ask me. It’s just the same deal as with the WTC. The
americans blow it up to create a situation they can exploit for their own
ends. Same with London. Right at a time when everyone’s moving against the
id cards scheme and the G8 summit’s in town, hey presto, whaddya know,
there’s a sudden terrorist Iattack and we all just have to go into crisis
mode. A load of innocent people get killed and, no doubt, arabs up and down
the country will be getting shit for the next decade and….it’s all just a
fucking set-up. The whole thing. Cue a load of repressive measures to be
introduced by our wonderful government, all in the name of “stopping
terrorism.” I can hardly wait.

All I can say is…I just pray one day people are gonna be sufficiently free
of fear to look at this. When a threshold number of people get to see the
footage of the Pentagon on 9/11, which I challenge anyone anywhere to find
any airliners in, they’re going to have to ask what actually is really
happening here. How actually do you explain the chasmic discrepancy between
what the news-teams reported and what all the physical evidence available
actually suggested? And if it’s clear that the attacks weren’t carried out
by terrorists, then who did do it? For people to have the strength to
actually ask this, that’s what I’m holding out for.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 07 July 2005 16:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] London prayers

London prayersI’ll send this with a special call out to Nick Sandberg.
Please watch yourselves there right now.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers

Any of you in London right now, please stray strong. I truly
hope you and
yours are alright and my prayers are with you all. I live there
part of the
year, but am not home there right now. I can’t imagine how hard
transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city
shut down. I
just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!

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From: Jellking <jellking@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 1:48:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Nick, glad you’re OK.  You’re right about the bullshit, too.  Luv ya, Jane

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Preston,

Thank you.

I’m not in London and I never really read the news or get to see tv but I
feel very sad about it and people are pretty shocked. I think we’re gonna do
some silence here at the centre where I live.

No doubt, Al Qaeda will be blamed or take responsibility, but this is pure
bullshit, if you ask me. It’s just the same deal as with the WTC. The
americans blow it up to create a situation they can exploit for their own
ends. Same with London. Right at a time when everyone’s moving against the
id cards scheme and the G8 summit’s in town, hey presto, whaddya know,
there’s a sudden terrorist attack and we all just have to go into crisis
mode. A load of innocent people get killed and, no doubt, arabs up and down
the country will be getting shit for the next decade and….it’s all just a
fucking set-up. The whole thing. Cue a load of repressive measures to be
introduced by our wonderful government, all in the name of “stopping
terrorism.” I can hardly wait.

All I can say is…I just pray one day people are gonna be sufficiently free
of fear to look at this. When a threshold number of people get to see the
footage of the Pentagon on 9/11, which I challenge anyone anywhere to find
any airliners in, they’re going to have to ask what actually is really
happening here. How actually do you explain the chasmic discrepancy between
what the news-teams reported and what all the physical evidence available
actually suggested? And if it’s clear that the attacks weren’t carried out
by terrorists, then who did do it? For people to have the strength to
actually ask this, that’s what I’m holding out for.

Nick

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: 07 July 2005 16:41
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] London prayers
>
>
> London prayersI’ll send this with a special call out to Nick Sandberg.
> Please watch yourselves there right now.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Beatrice Blue
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:51 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers
>
>
> Any of you in London right now, please stray strong. I truly
> hope you and
> yours are alright and my prayers are with you all. I live there
> part of the
> year, but am not home there right now. I can’t imagine how hard
> transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city
> shut down. I
> just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!
>
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From: Pipetman9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vitamins
Date: July 7, 2005 at 1:38:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vitamins to be Banned Worldwide…

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Monday, July 4th, 2005

“Big Pharma” won a major victory in Rome, Italy today.  Vitamins and
minerals, for over-the-counter sale will be phased out, almost
completely, in every country on Planet Earth.  The “German Model” of
health care will now be the law of the land – in every land.

Below is a press release from Diane Miller JD of the National Health
Freedom Coalition, detailing the action.  Diane is in Rome at the meeting.

Press Release –  National Health Freedom Coalition:  Codex Full
Commission adopts Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food
Supplements in final form July 4, 2005, Rome Italy. by Diane Miller JD.

Minutes ago the full Commission of Codex Alimentarius adopted in final
form, the Codex Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements.
This adoption is the Step 8 adoption, the final stage of adoption for
the international Codex guidelines.  The Codex Vitamin and Mineral
Food Supplements guidelines are now official and no longer in draft form.

The Commission, attended by over 85 of the 171 Codex countries,
adopted the guidelines by consensus method.  There was brief
discussion before adoption taking in comments from a small number of
countries and two NGOs.

Australia requested adding the word “only” in Section 1.3 bertwee the
words “apply” and “in”.   The sentence would then read “These
guidelines apply only in those jurisdictions where products defined in
2.1 are regulated as foods.”

Australia’s comments were followed by request from Venzuela and Spain
to clarify the spanish translation.

Venezuela was followed by China.  China stated that every government
in making decisions about vitamins and minerals should take into
account the dietary limitations of their own countries, that
governments can select vitamins and minerals acocording to the customs
and habits of their country.  China also pointed out that there should
be definitions of the sources of vitamins.

Columbia spoke up and commented that Vitamins and Minerals are
intended for deficiencies and are recommended for health reasons and
said that there has to be no exaggerated use of minerals.

Egypt commented and offered a clarification saying that vitamin and
minerals can be considered if daily needs are not being met.

After the countries were heard, the Chairman recognized NGOs
(Non-Governmental Organizations).  National Health Federation (NHF) a
world wide consumer organization with NGO status at  Codex was
recognized to speak.  Attorney Scott Tipps of NHF stood and requested
the guidelines not be adopted but rather be sent back to committee for
3 important reasons.  1)  According to Codex rules a “purpose”
statement must be part of all guidelines adopted and the Vitamin and
Mineral guidelines did not contain a purpose.  Secondly, the
guidelines did not define vitamin and mineral and therefore it is
unclear as to what is being regulated.  And lastly, he pointed out
that the Chinese comments were substantive and according to Codex
rules on page 27 of the procedural manual, a substantive amendment
request should be addressed at the committee level.  His comments were
heard.

The NGO IADSA was then recognized.  IADSA stressed the fact that the
draft guidelines should be adopted because they had been worked on in
committee for near 10 years and that valuable consensus had been
reached in the Bonn Germany committee meeting and the guidelines
should now be passed.

After all comments, the Chair, consulted with counsel to assess
whether the addition of the word “only” would change the meaning of
the sentence.  After learning that it would not he consulted with
Australia and Australia repeated their request for amendment.  The
Chair recommended adoption of the amendment and there was no dissent.
Then the Chair recommended the guidelines be adopted at Stage 8 in
their final form and that China submit their substantive amendment
requests to the committee at their next meeting.  There was no further
comment or dissent from any country and the guidelines were adopted.

What this means, in the United States, is that as soon as CAFTA
(Central American Free Trade Agreement) passes the House of
Representatives (it has already passed the Senate), the US government
will be forced, by the terms of that CAFTA agreement, to restrict
vitamin and supplement sales in accordance with the  “German Model” of
health care.

If and when this happens, the hard won 1994 DSHEA (Dietary Supplement
Health & Education Act) will be nullified, and the dismantling of the
North American supplement Industry will begin.

However, it is not inevitable – the use of “supplements” and other
“alternatives” to conventional medicine regimens represents over fifty
percent (50%) of the total US health dollar spent annually.
Eighty-eight percent (88%) of US adults use an “alternative,” and
believe in them.  Opposition is already gearing up for the battle –
(click here).

This is a battle between “We the People,” and the free world’s
biggest, and worst, enemy – ever – “Big Pharma.”

Stay tuned…

Tim Bolen – Consumer Advocate
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/viamins%20to%20be%20banned%20worldwide….htm

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 7, 2005 at 1:11:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey again ,I hear that eric taub organization is doing sessions in mexico with medical assist for alot less than ib assoc,you know ,the ‘ibeginagain ‘ ibogaine site,they rule!!good luck-shell

shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I detoxed twice there with them, they are very caring, it is run very well and pretty convienent considering its in mexico. I went before their price went up so much,when randy hencken was there, I dont know the new docs but martin polanco & ana were the best!!!
best wishes for you!-shell
“VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 7, 2005 at 1:08:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Congrats and welcome back to the planet!!
bwiti love your way
tink

On 7/7/05, Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:
I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a
low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of
empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did
this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet
resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma
books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward
the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we
all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may
disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing
things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have
the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a
way.

With much love,

Ben


“All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda
system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are
helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and
to consume.”
Noam Chomsky

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 12:18:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

Thank you.

I’m not in London and I never really read the news or get to see tv but I
feel very sad about it and people are pretty shocked. I think we’re gonna do
some silence here at the centre where I live.

No doubt, Al Qaeda will be blamed or take responsibility, but this is pure
bullshit, if you ask me. It’s just the same deal as with the WTC. The
americans blow it up to create a situation they can exploit for their own
ends. Same with London. Right at a time when everyone’s moving against the
id cards scheme and the G8 summit’s in town, hey presto, whaddya know,
there’s a sudden terrorist attack and we all just have to go into crisis
mode. A load of innocent people get killed and, no doubt, arabs up and down
the country will be getting shit for the next decade and….it’s all just a
fucking set-up. The whole thing. Cue a load of repressive measures to be
introduced by our wonderful government, all in the name of “stopping
terrorism.” I can hardly wait.

All I can say is…I just pray one day people are gonna be sufficiently free
of fear to look at this. When a threshold number of people get to see the
footage of the Pentagon on 9/11, which I challenge anyone anywhere to find
any airliners in, they’re going to have to ask what actually is really
happening here. How actually do you explain the chasmic discrepancy between
what the news-teams reported and what all the physical evidence available
actually suggested? And if it’s clear that the attacks weren’t carried out
by terrorists, then who did do it? For people to have the strength to
actually ask this, that’s what I’m holding out for.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 07 July 2005 16:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] London prayers

London prayersI’ll send this  with a special call out to Nick Sandberg.
Please watch yourselves there right now.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers

Any of you in London right now, please stray strong.  I truly
hope you and
yours are alright and my prayers are with you all.  I live there
part of the
year, but am not home there right now.  I can’t imagine how hard
transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city
shut down.  I
just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 11:41:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

London prayersI’ll send this  with a special call out to Nick Sandberg. Please watch yourselves there right now.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers

Any of you in London right now, please stray strong.  I truly hope you and yours are alright and my prayers are with you all.  I live there part of the year, but am not home there right now.  I can’t imagine how hard transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city shut down.  I just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:34:05 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Go there.      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Crashtest Dummies
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:29:24 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wait a minute. You mean you guys actually understand this shit? I come here and clear my brain. Don’t lay this shit on me. I’ll never be able to comprehend what it takes to make this list go every day. Thank you Patrick for making this happen. You are most definitly the man.               Randy

From: “Rick Strcat” <rickstrcat@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] a victory note from the battlefield
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:18:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I just woke up after a low dosage self-therapy last night to overcome a low-level addiction to opiates.  The feeling now is a quiet, happy sense of empowerment.  After the kind help of someone to help me get the ibo, I did this on my own, carefully determing the dosages after studying the internet resources and retreating into my little meditation shrine to read Dharma books after each dosage and listening to traditional Tibetan music toward the end.  For me this experience underlines the truth that, ultimately, we all can – and must – become our own therapists.

This message isn’t for everyone, since I know there are some who may disagree – I wish them all well.  For those few though who insist on doing things in your own time, in your own space and in your own way, and who have the insight to do it: this message is for you: don’t be afraid – there’s a way.

With much love,

Ben


“All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda
system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are
helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and
to consume.”
Noam Chomsky

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:12:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you Preston. I’m a whore.. Whores are people too. I say that all the time. Lets disect this word whore. Just what the fuck is a whore anyway? If I have this correctly whores are people who are good looking enough to be able to sell sex. Whats wrong with that? I’ve never fucked for money but now that the subject is at hand I guess it is logical that people would do that. I know, lets call everybody a slut. I like sluts. Sluts rule!!!!!!          Randy

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:10:12 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all, I detoxed twice there with them, they are very caring, it is run very well and pretty convienent considering its in mexico. I went before their price went up so much,when randy hencken was there, I dont know the new docs but martin polanco & ana were the best!!!
best wishes for you!-shell
“VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 7, 2005 at 10:05:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 07.07.2005 um 15:54 schrieb VanAllen, Keith G.:

This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

isn´t this the one featured in ben loenen´s “ibogaine – rite of passage”? looked good in the movie

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 7, 2005 at 9:54:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is the place I contacted, I haven’t visited them but here is their link http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/treatmentcenter.php
Phone: (877) IBOGA-50
Fax: (619) 330-1810

They look clean and professional as well as caring. I called and spoke to someone on the phone who was kind and understanding.
Like I said I have not been treated by them and cannot validate that this is an “OK” place, but if your in the position to check it out, it could be something very useful.

-Does anyone else know more about this establishment?

-Keith

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 7, 2005 at 9:42:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry matthew. being not a native speaker i apparently didn´t understand how you guys use the word whore (says “prostitute” in my online dictionary). anyway you gave a few people the opportunity to save the honor of hookers, ehm i meant “sexual workers”, thank you!
i bet fire3456 loves “filthy whining xxxxx xxxx, suck my dick” much more than candles. you guys are truely punkrock and i admire that a lot!
cheers ekki

good energy to london & tink´s friend
claudia it´s good to have someone with your perspective around

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 9:23:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have family in London right now, the phone lines are jammed so I haven’t been able to get though. I’m a bit concerned. My thoughts are with you Beatrice!

-Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:52 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers

Any of you in London right now, please stray strong.  I truly hope you and yours are alright and my prayers are with you all.  I live there part of the year, but am not home there right now.  I can’t imagine how hard transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city shut down.  I just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!
Date: July 7, 2005 at 9:07:13 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My thoughts are with you Tink, as well as your friend. May you both be comforted, warm, and loved.

Love,

Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:55 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!

A good friend is currently in the process of complete liver failure.
All positive thoughts sent out would be greatly appreciated!!
love
tink

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] London prayers
Date: July 7, 2005 at 8:51:51 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Any of you in London right now, please stray strong.  I truly hope you and yours are alright and my prayers are with you all.  I live there part of the year, but am not home there right now.  I can’t imagine how hard transportation and finding you loved ones may be with the city shut down.  I just wanted you all to know my thoughts are with you!

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 7, 2005 at 7:54:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi
Ok let me clear this up
when i called fire 3456 a filthy whore i didnt imply it as a prostitute
all i wanted to say is he/she is a filthy whining pussy ass bitch—-male/female—no difference
when i use the word whore i dont mean it as an insult on prostitutes……heh i had realtionships with two so what the fuk u triping about….i know  exactly what woman or men have to go through to do stupid ass shit to feed their habbit…pls u dont know me dont make assumptions

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!
Date: July 7, 2005 at 6:54:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My thoughts are with you and your friend- Dr. Jay Cavanaugh, a frequent contributor to DrugWar.com and to Under the Influence died a couple months ago of the exact same thing- complete liver failure. My most positive loving thoughts with you and your friend, again.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:54 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!

A good friend is currently in the process of complete liver failure.
All positive thoughts sent out would be greatly appreciated!!
love
tink

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From: “E.Claudia” <ecbl@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Has this happened to anyone else post ibogaine?
Date: July 7, 2005 at 4:33:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am Claudia the one taking aminoacids. I found your group looking for ibo for my husband Patrick.
I suffer in the past similar joint pain. I took Sam-e. It is expensive ($30  for 20 tablets)but it work for me and also my husband took it in the past. It takes a while at least a week  because is natural. Also usually when you have a lot of toxins in your body your joints hurts like arthritis.
Same is s-adenosylmethioninewhich is a natural compound present in all living cells and is involved in many important biochemical reactions in the body.
Same helps to maintain healthy mood and emotional well being.  It help to promote healthy cartilage formation which may enhance joint confort & mobility. It also support a healthy liver.

I would like to tell you that mindvox is real and it helped me to understand the other side. I’ve been with Patrick for 16 years. I still love the man I met but drugs destroyed him.
I remember some time back (5 years ago Patrick mentioned a root from Africa cure the heroing addiction. A month ½ ago tired if his addiction, caotic mind and after my 4 year old found his tool under the coffe table I decided to do something again. That was a sign that Patrick had no control or worst. Anyway story short, I search the net for ibo and that is how I found this list.

Jumping to another issue, I’ve been reading everyday the messages. I found out that everybody some how tells a good point of view very he lpful. My point of view is that I have been the sober dealing with the addiction of my partner and the responsibility of being a mother of two children with health problems.
One thing I don’t understand is why everybody including my husband is scare of the detox. Why is so difficult? The reason why I say this is because I deal with my bad memory, foggy mind that my hypotyroids creates. I depend on a good healthy diet, aminoacids to sleep, focus and to not feel the blues.
Patrick has not contribute to this house since my son born in dec 5, 2000. Therefore, with pain or foggy mind or scare I had to work. I have a 40 hours a week job and I workfor 3 companies in the side. Yes, I become a junky. Because I don’t rest because life is so expensive!!!
Having a little bit of my background you can understand my position. In the same boat as my husband at this time I am stuggling to figurate out in which direction to go.
I am thankfull that I was able to remove my anger that I HAD TOWARD MY HUSBAND. I understand that addiction is beyond the satisfaction. It is karmatic! Basically the deal in this life is overcome the dependency. May be I don’t write too sophisticated. Simply I want to say that every human has a lesson to overcome and to graduate with honors
To go to the next step. I hope you cann understand. This goes with Pete’s coments about the women that use their body to survive. Yes, that a point! Their humans, their lost or not there are in their on challenge. Why not to understand THEM LIKE UN ADDICTION, a wheight,, a control , or a gamble.  Basically , all this addictions are a reflection that the souls is trap, not free!.
In my case I am trap in society. I have to work  a lot to pay the mortage, kids schools, health insurance , etc, etc. My illusion is to be a not working mom and a woman in love.
It might sound stupid but that what I want! And I am working toward that. I hope soon I only have one job!

I have to go to sleep. Again thank so much for being there!!!

Claudia

From: stowe01@comcast.net [mailto:stowe01@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:39 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Has this happened to anyone else post ibogaine?

Tink,
Trying to get removed fom the list. you eem nice will you give me some info

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> The biggest problem I’ve had as of late has been the increase of pain 
> in my ankles, wrists, knees and elbows. Well, that and i can’t sleep 
> to save my life for longer than two hours, but that’s to be expected. 
> This joint pain is unreal, and not going away. I almost fell flat on 
> my face going down some stair when my ankle just gave out on my left 
> side. I’m having a hard time lifting anything, and typing is 
> torturous. 
> Any suggestions greatly appreciated… 
> love to all 
> tink 
> 
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Comming to AMERICA
Date: July 7, 2005 at 3:59:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Mathew,

When I read your post I cracked up laughing. I did NOT get the impression
that you were putting shit on working girls, you were just pissed off and protecting
friends that you have made on the list,..people I also like.

What cracked me up was you, using the words you used. I am not used to you talking
like that,..I’m laughing now,…your a character.  To me a working girl is not a whore,..
and I don’t think you meant it like that. I say that confidently considering your posts
in the past.The word whore is something completely different to a working girl.

We are human after all,..and we all get pissed off,..just like fire got pissed off
and wrote the email that started this, Haa Haa,..I love it.

A whore is something completely different to a working girl.

I hope fire sticks around,..makes things interesting, and Preston,..don’t you dare
stop posting.

Thanks for the laugh, love from Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!

A good friend is currently in the process of complete liver failure.
All positive thoughts sent out would be greatly appreciated!!
love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] IN NEED OF POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!
Date: July 7, 2005 at 2:54:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A good friend is currently in the process of complete liver failure.
All positive thoughts sent out would be greatly appreciated!!
love
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 7, 2005 at 12:27:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i feel uncomfortable if whores in general are insulted, especially on a
list that is also for junkies. there could be some women who make or
made some money that way subscribed to this list, you know. sometimes
for some people, like when you have a serious habit, there doesn´t seem
to be much of a choice.<

Um, sorry, I know, I’m posting again, but I’ve just submitted and am hopefully publishing an article about just this subject, in the first person, in Everything You Know About Sex is Wrong is the upcoming book by The Disinformation Company publishers, same ones who published my book Under the Influence and my upcoming Underground- the Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilization, Astonishing Archaeology and Hidden History. Knowing the publishing field in the limited fashion I do, it’s not until final layout that the entire list of submission is cemented in. My story could get cut a week before the book goes off to the printers, so it might not get in.
If it does, I’ll post it here, or better, you all can go out and buy the book, since I not only contributed that story, but I also wrote an article called Sex…and Drugs, full of quotes by friends and relations, and some subscribers to the ibogaine and drugwar.com email lists.
;0-)
So keep your fingers crossed for me please.
The point though is that whores are people too, and whoredom is another of those stupid targets of certain hypocrites that just can’t seem to let other people have their own lives without mucking into them with their long ass noses and stupid evil morals.
So while I’m with you on the angry thing Matthew, I’m gonna have to come down with ekki here and defend the honor of whores, since whores in my experience are just as much cool as the next field of exmployement. Even those who haven’t taken ibogaine.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Am 06.07.2005 um 20:46 schrieb matthew zielinski:

u are nothing but a whining filthy little whore!! suck my dick and thank u very much for quiting!!!!

hi matt i hope you are doing fine and i know you wrote this in a fit of
emotion.

i feel uncomfortable if whores in general are insulted, especially on a
list that is also for junkies. there could be some women who make or
made some money that way subscribed to this list, you know. sometimes
for some people, like when you have a serious habit, there doesn´t seem
to be much of a choice. i respect any “filthy little whore” as much as
i respect any junky, or myself, or anyone at all.
i once was a close friend of one, not a junky though. we´d have dinner
at her place, then she would dress and put on make up and apprechiate
my counseling on her outfit and then go out for work. on some nights,
like when she didn´t find a customer or already had made enough money,
she´d show up later on at my place and slip into my bed. what a
beautiful, fantastic woman, with a good heart and not stupid either.
after a few months our ways departed, she figured out how to make more
money in real estate and i met another girl but we still stayed friends
and when she found out about me slipping into junk she invited my for
dinner and had a serious talk with me, but i was already determined to
become a graduate of heroin high & hell school. life is so wonderful
and exiting, sigh. -ekki

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 11:39:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

They probably understand the problem only too well Boris. The Fire5678
person is a addict, who may be having a very hard time right now. I
don’t know what his problems are but one of the whole reasons for
being part of a community or talking in a group is to show yourself to
others, get support, get feedback, get confrontational (right Nick?
🙂 there are loads of reasons I’m too tired to list right now! What
happens here on the worst days isn’t any different then the average 12
step meeting.

What happens here on the best days is beautiful because there’s hope,
there’s a lot of strength from people who have survived and found
life, there are the “spiritual giants” there is real shamanism instead
of fake lip service to higher causes or whatnot.

Fire had a bad day, maybe he’s having a bad life, maybe he smoked too
much crack, maybe he really wants to smoke crack, maybe anything.

Matthew shame on you! I know you’re upset and the only thing I
remember Fire ever doing is posting some depressing message replying
to you and Jasen lighting candles, but sex workers are one of the most
abused groups in the world! What you wrote was very disrespectful and
upsetting and I’m sure you didn’t even think about, but you went off
and insulted what I would guess are more then a few on this list.

KV

Erm, do you see any irony in what you’ve written there, Matthew?

Speaking of irony, I see this list as a place for people looking for SOLUTIONS to a serious problem. Some people are the “helpers”, some are the “helped”, most are a bit of both. But clearly for some people this list IS part of the solution. So its rather ironic that other people are having a go at those who are using this list as part of their coping strategy. We are here looking for solutions and when the people in the most accute stages of the problem actually find one (in this list) they get beat down over it. I can only wonder if the people that complained understand the problem in the first place?

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Jen…
Date: July 6, 2005 at 11:19:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We’re all paranoid here, or should be anyway.
Sorry Jen.
I’m trying to limit my posts here as I’d really hate to bother anyone.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Jen…

Jen, please feel free to hop aboard here, get to know the people here etc,
then you’ll have all the info you need…..and maybe you’ll make some new
friends in the process?  We’re mostly all in the same boat…I’m sorry to
make light of it… my way of staying sane..(or insane?)
Would love to hear about your first Ibogaine experience?  If you feel
comfortable …..I’m always available off list….
Luff heaps
Kirsty Dawn xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jen Reilly [mailto:jenreilly@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 9:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Help in SF?

i didn’t mean to hurt anybody, that is why i left my home phone and
personal email.
“transportation” —this is an error of a lonley censor.  jen

On 7/4/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Heh, well, if she is with the Feds, then I would suggest she go back to
“Infiltrating the Underground” training 101 cos their methods leave a lot
to
be desired!! Lol
And also, no offence, and all the best with it as well.
Love heaps
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 5:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Well, this person does say she already has the product so actual
“transportation” shouldn’t be an issue, but still, were someone to arrive
with scale in hand ready to help her weigh it out and she turned out not
to

be who she’s claimed, it would not be good for the person who showed up
ready and willing to help her engage in a serious felony.
I’m sure the feds could find all sorts of charges to stick on someone in
that position.
And please, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER, only
that it’s certainly not a very safe way of going about this.
Good luck to you in your endevour and wish I could help.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

> Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my
> bad
> ;o)
> Love always
> Kirk xxxxx
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
>
> because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive
at
> her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck,
> and
> to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s
too
> bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it
is,
> and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking > joke

> at
> all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
> things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no
way
> to verify who one is talking to.
> That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —– > From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
>
>
>> Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
>> provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
>> anyone
>> here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
>> I don’t understand your question or your concern….
>> Love always
>> Kirsty xxx
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
>> Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
>>
>>>
>> Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
>> for your HCL session?
>>
>> sara
>>
>>
>> is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
>>> out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this >>> would
>>> be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds >>> to
>>> pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
>>> compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
>>> i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
>>> session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com
>>>
>>> —
>>> Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,
>>>
>>>
>>> , IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –
_,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
>>> h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;
@^,/)
>>>
>> c^c
>>>
>>>
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, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 9:39:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 06.07.2005 um 20:46 schrieb matthew zielinski:

u are nothing but a whining filthy little whore!! suck my dick and thank u very much for quiting!!!!

hi matt i hope you are doing fine and i know you wrote this in a fit of emotion.

i feel uncomfortable if whores in general are insulted, especially on a list that is also for junkies. there could be some women who make or made some money that way subscribed to this list, you know. sometimes for some people, like when you have a serious habit, there doesn´t seem to be much of a choice. i respect any “filthy little whore” as much as i respect any junky, or myself, or anyone at all.
i once was a close friend of one, not a junky though. we´d have dinner at her place, then she would dress and put on make up and apprechiate my counseling on her outfit and then go out for work. on some nights, like when she didn´t find a customer or already had made enough money, she´d show up later on at my place and slip into my bed. what a beautiful, fantastic woman, with a good heart and not stupid either. after a few months our ways departed, she figured out how to make more money in real estate and i met another girl but we still stayed friends and when she found out about me slipping into junk she invited my for dinner and had a serious talk with me, but i was already determined to become a graduate of heroin high & hell school. life is so wonderful and exiting, sigh. -ekki

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 9:31:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Erm, do you see any irony in what you’ve written there, Matthew?

Speaking of irony, I see this list as a place for people looking for SOLUTIONS to a serious problem. Some people are the “helpers”, some are the “helped”, most are a bit of both. But clearly for some people this list IS part of the solution. So its rather ironic that other people are having a go at those who are using this list as part of their coping strategy. We are here looking for solutions and when the people in the most accute stages of the problem actually find one (in this list) they get beat down over it. I can only wonder if the people that complained understand the problem in the first place?

cheers
Boris

—- matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:
<html><div style=’background-color:’><P>What is the big fuken deal!?!?</P>
<P>If this is suppose to be a community for junkies ex junkies etc etc then we are doing what a community does–c0municate about all sorts of issues</P>
<P>if this is not suppse to be that kinda of&nbsp;&nbsp;a comunity then sign me outt too cause this complaining&nbsp;is fuken bullshit</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>i remmeber&nbsp;this guy&nbsp;bitching&nbsp;about all the wishes people send out while somebofdy is having a sesion….fuck u budy and when u do ibogiane again better go&nbsp;visit the bwiti hell– maybe u see ur ancestors there– and can get a meaningull message from the depths of hell&nbsp; –cause it seems u didnt get fuk all from the heavens above —-u are the one whos lame– u are nothing but a whining filthy little whore!! suck my dick and thank u very much&nbsp;for quiting!!!!</P>
<P>since we create our reality by our beliefs and expecatations its clear what needs to be done to change all this bikcering and animosity</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>whatever and ever-forever</P>
<P>Matt</P></div><br clear=all><hr>Enjoy 25MB of inbox storage and 10MB per file attachment with  <a href=”http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2746??PS=47575″ target=”_top”>MSN Premium. </a> Join now and get the first two months FREE*</html>

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:17:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wouldn’t it be cool if we could go together !? …I’m just daydreamn’ here…

—–Original Message—–
From: VanAllen, Keith G.
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:13 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Ya, I’ll look for the address and phone number of the physician, I have it at the house.

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

I can get Ibo in Mexico???
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time
in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m
not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away
quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of
travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I
dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on
me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I
maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to
work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to
myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a
tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:13:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ya, I’ll look for the address and phone number of the physician, I have it at the house.

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

I can get Ibo in Mexico???
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time
in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m
not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away
quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of
travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I
dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on
me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I
maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to
work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to
myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a
tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Herpes Update
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:11:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ditto!!
love ya girl
tink

On 7/6/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

Beatrice, I’m glad your not sick!

—–Original Message—–
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 2:49 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Herpes Update

OK, guys, I know most do not believe it (I’m having a hard time myself), but
the 2nd Blood/DNA test results are back.  I am HSVII free!!!  The test was
again negative!  The only thing I can come up with is maybe it’s because I
took the ibogaine really close after getting it.  Some of the guys I know
back in NYC are having a hard time believing too, so I’m sending them (they
asked If I would & I have no problem with it) copies of all tests; the
original test and results when I first got it after the rape (I was
originally diagnosed & prescribed because of the break out I had, but then
confirmed through a blood test.  Since it was a rape I wanted to know if I
had anything else too.  Thankfully I didn’t and don’t.) saying I had it, the
first test a few weeks ago, and now this last one.  We all know it’s
impossible, I should live with this for the rest of my life, but now I guess
not.  All I can do is be thankful.  And I’m extremely thankful!  Believe it
or not, think I’m full of shit or believe me, think the levels are below
readable signs or not, it doesn’t affect me either way.  I told you all I
would update you when I found out this last result and that’s what I’m
doing.  Along with celebrating and throwing my Valtrex away!

Love you all!

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Herpes Update
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:10:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice, I’m glad your not sick!

—–Original Message—–
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 2:49 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Herpes Update

OK, guys, I know most do not believe it (I’m having a hard time myself), but the 2nd Blood/DNA test results are back.  I am HSVII free!!!  The test was again negative!  The only thing I can come up with is maybe it’s because I took the ibogaine really close after getting it.  Some of the guys I know back in NYC are having a hard time believing too, so I’m sending them (they asked If I would & I have no problem with it) copies of all tests; the original test and results when I first got it after the rape (I was originally diagnosed & prescribed because of the break out I had, but then confirmed through a blood test.  Since it was a rape I wanted to know if I had anything else too.  Thankfully I didn’t and don’t.) saying I had it, the first test a few weeks ago, and now this last one.  We all know it’s impossible, I should live with this for the rest of my life, but now I guess not.  All I can do is be thankful.  And I’m extremely thankful!  Believe it or not, think I’m full of shit or believe me, think the levels are below readable signs or not, it doesn’t affect me either way.  I told you all I would update you when I found out this last result and that’s what I’m doing.  Along with celebrating and throwing my Valtrex away!

Love you all!

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:09:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yes..someone else jump in here…
love
tink

On 7/6/05, irv cutler <irvcutler@charter.net> wrote:
I can get Ibo in Mexico???
—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time
in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m
not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away
quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of
travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I
dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on
me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I
maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to
work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to
myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a
tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:07:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can get Ibo in Mexico???
—– Original Message —– From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:14 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Herpes Update
Date: July 6, 2005 at 5:48:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OK, guys, I know most do not believe it (I’m having a hard time myself), but the 2nd Blood/DNA test results are back.  I am HSVII free!!!  The test was again negative!  The only thing I can come up with is maybe it’s because I took the ibogaine really close after getting it.  Some of the guys I know back in NYC are having a hard time believing too, so I’m sending them (they asked If I would & I have no problem with it) copies of all tests; the original test and results when I first got it after the rape (I was originally diagnosed & prescribed because of the break out I had, but then confirmed through a blood test.  Since it was a rape I wanted to know if I had anything else too.  Thankfully I didn’t and don’t.) saying I had it, the first test a few weeks ago, and now this last one.  We all know it’s impossible, I should live with this for the rest of my life, but now I guess not.  All I can do is be thankful.  And I’m extremely thankful!  Believe it or not, think I’m full of shit or believe me, think the levels are below readable signs or not, it doesn’t affect me either way.  I told you all I would update you when I found out this last result and that’s what I’m doing.  Along with celebrating and throwing my Valtrex away!

Love you all!

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: [CosmicCookies] 050706
Date: July 6, 2005 at 3:38:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Namaste
Matthew

>From: Gerardus <gerardus@cablerocket.com>
>Reply-To: CosmicCookies-owner@yahoogroups.com
>To: cosmiccookies@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [CosmicCookies] 050706
>Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 07:48:12 -0700
>
>
> Cookie Break…
>
> Cosmic Cookie
>
> Involution is the Idea and Evolution its Unfoldment.
> Involution precedes Evolution and Evolution
> follows the built in Ideas as close as possible.
> The Matter Universe is the Unfoldment of this Law
> within the Realms of Time and Space.
> The Infinite Mind or the Creator… lives within
> all Aspects of Creation and unfolds/adapts itself
> according to Circumstances at hand.
> The Creator inhabits
> AND IS
> its own unfolding Creation.
>
> SINCE CREATION IS A DREAM ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
>
>
> Please send this to your Friends and small Enemies.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CosmicCookies
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TriLite
> http://www.soulwise.net/
>
>

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 2:46:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What is the big fuken deal!?!?
If this is suppose to be a community for junkies ex junkies etc etc then we are doing what a community does–c0municate about all sorts of issues
if this is not suppse to be that kinda of  a comunity then sign me outt too cause this complaining is fuken bullshit

i remmeber this guy bitching about all the wishes people send out while somebofdy is having a sesion….fuck u budy and when u do ibogiane again better go visit the bwiti hell– maybe u see ur ancestors there– and can get a meaningull message from the depths of hell  –cause it seems u didnt get fuk all from the heavens above —-u are the one whos lame– u are nothing but a whining filthy little whore!! suck my dick and thank u very much for quiting!!!!
since we create our reality by our beliefs and expecatations its clear what needs to be done to change all this bikcering and animosity

whatever and ever-forever
Matt

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 1:58:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree with this and don’t understand the problem, am I missing something?

I either use gmail to download my email to my machine or more often
then not keep everything inside it, it has a free 2gigabyte mailbox
which does excellent searching inside mailboxes if I want to find
anything. I’m not sure but I think yahoo is nearly the same. The big
flaw is that I can only search through messages since I signed up and
am missing the first 5 years of this list!

It would be nice to have everything online the web Patrick, I’m glad
you’re at least planning to do it and thank you for having this place!

Anything else I might say was written out so very succinctly by Nick.
Sometimes I read every day, when I am busy and can’t read it for a
week and there are 1000 new messages, then I already know I don’t need
to carefully click each message in a 100 msg thread of preston, capt
kirk and tink 🙂 Who are incidentally some of my all time favorite
people to read!

If everyone is using the list in the way they find most useful to
them, I don’t see the problem. The people who post the most probably
do get read the least, but the people who make angry rants aren’t ever
the ones who I have seen contribute anything at all that’s worth
reading. So leave, who cares?

KV

On 7/6/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

I find it a bit like Ebay. If I read 5 posts from someone and they’re not so
exciting, I tend to just skim or delete anything else from them in the
future. My mind gives its own feedback rating. I figure a lot of others do
the same, there’s probably whole layers of activity on the list, some
reading everything, others skimming, others only reading posts by those they
consider have something interesting to relate. If there was the time to
check it out, maybe it would turn out that the people who write the most
posts actually get read the least. Maybe.

Don’t know how many people will read this!

Nick

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Enterprise….
Date: July 6, 2005 at 12:50:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, you made me smile when I was in dire need…thankyou and
thankyou!!  I know that this list and all it’s insanity, both good and
bad, keep me going. I feel sorry for those who have completely lost
all sense of humour.  You’re in Australia, right?  I’ll have to swing
through and say hi on my way to hang with teh good Captain Kirkie in
NZ!!!
Love to you!!
tinkerswell

On 7/6/05, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey Capt

I enjoy reading your posts,..they make me smile. You and Tink are a good
twisted addition
to this magic list and all it’s people. I am loving ALL of it.

By the way,..your post talking about Chakras and Ibogaine is on the same
grounds as what
I have been thinking. Maybe the vibration that the Ibo’ puts you through
opens all your chakras
enabling you to recieve all this information. Similar to what
Yoga/meditation does, except Ibo’
does it straight away.

Just a thought.

There is a dance called the Kondalini dance(spelling unsure) that opens
these Chakras, when I
do this I get a similar “glowing” feeling in my heart similar to the Ibo’.

Listening to Tommy Emmanual,..f*ck he’s good.

love,

Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Praying I am in the +3~~~~~~!!!

All the best, though you probably won’t read this…

I love this lame list.   I have learnt and keep learning about Ibogaine.
If you need to know something YOU JUST ASK.   I  have learnt about heaps of
other stuff, and have FINALLY found a family that I can relate to TOTALLY.

What is wrong with friendships??????????

Ok true, a lot of replies probably could be made privately..and if this is
a PROBLEM to others, please say so, and I’ll glad back right off.

Won’t send hugs or love, you don’t sound like you’re into it.

Each to their own with what they do, what they use…. they’re not the
reason this stuff is illegal IT”S YOUR GOVERNMENT>
cheesh

Kirk

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Song Lyrics
Date: July 6, 2005 at 12:44:48 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are you locked up in a world
Thats been planned out for you?
Are you feeling like a social tool without a use?
Scream at me until my ears bleed
I’m taking heed just for you

-Greenday “She”

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine articles
Date: July 6, 2005 at 10:54:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s erowid’s faq on Ibogaine for anyone who may be interested: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine_faq.shtml

Also here is an interesting article about the safety of Ibogaine:

Clinical Observations of Safety after Single Oral Dose Administration
by Deborah .C. Mash; K. Allen-Ferdinand; M. Mayor; C.A. Kovera; J.F. Ayafor; I.C. Williams; F.R. Ervin
Healing Visions Institute for Addiction Recovery

Ibogaine, a naturally occurring indole alkaloid derived from the roots of Tabernanthe iboga, is currently under investigation as a therapeutic agent for drug dependence. We report here preliminary observations on the safety of single oral dose administration of ibogaine to cocaine and heroin dependent subjects. Baseline screening included a medical evaluation, physical examination, ECG, blood chemistries, and hematological work-up, as well as psychiatric and chemical dependency evaluations. Subjects (N=30) were assigned to one of three fixed-dose treatments under open label conditions: 500 mg, 600 mg, and 800 mg ibogaine. Adverse events were assessed by clinical side-effects ratings and open-ended query. No significant adverse events were seen under these study conditions. The most frequent side effects were nausea and mild tremor at early time points after drug administration. Random regression of vital signs (respiration rate, systolic and diastolic blood pressures and pulse) revealed no significant changes across time or by treatment condition. White blood count, neutrophil levels, sodium or potassium levels were in the normal range. No significant changes from baseline were seen for ALT, AST, alkaline phosphatase (ALP), and GGT. Intensive monitoring demonstrated that no electrocardiographic abnormalities were produced or exaggerated following ibogaine administration. These preliminary results demonstrate that single doses of ibogaine were well tolerated in drug-dependent subjects, and that there were no significant problems with safety. Supported in part by the Addiction Research Fund.

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There went another 20 minutes guys!
love,
Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re to Tinks Question
Date: July 6, 2005 at 10:14:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink,

I don’t have a provider yet, even tho right now would be the opportune time in my life. I’m scared of ibo and going to jail. I am saving money tho, I’m not buying any packets, and that’s gotta add up quick, it sure did take away quick anyway. Mexico is the closest but out of the question because of travel time, ( I am in danger of loosing my closest loved ones should I dance off into the sunset for a few days, they keep a close watch on me)…everyone now thinks I’m on drugs since I’m withdrawing…when I maintained a habit no one was the wiser as long as I stayed home and went to work,> now I am hollowed eyed for a good reason and want to take time to myself for a good reason and they all think I’m using…ironic. What a tangled web….all that sort of stuff.

Love,
-Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Keith? How u doing?
Date: July 6, 2005 at 9:38:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Everyone,

Just got on, I am doing ok, trying to face life without “feeling good” this morning. I think I have the flu? I won’t post a complaint list even tho believe me it is long, instead let me tell you all why this list is not lame in any way:

1. I have looked forward to getting on and checking my messages from this list for even while going thru body wrenching withdrawals for the last few days.

2. just like everyday life where you see hundreds of people thru the day, to include: news media, acquaintances, enemies, hobos, coworkers ect… You also see friends, family and role models of all sorts.

3. I may hit the metaphorical “delete” button every time I change the channel on the Tele, but I certainly don’t throw the box in the trash.

4. comparison: My so called real life friends would like nothing more than for me to put dangerous chemicals in my body. vs. My Ibo friends would like nothing more than for me to put possibly dangerous “experimental” chemicals in my body 🙂

hehe! (I love you guys and this list rocks!)

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 2:26 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Keith? How u doing?

Hi Keith,  Hoping you are doing ok, let us know if you want, would be good
to hear how you are ;o)
Luff
Kirk

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 6, 2005 at 6:43:13 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I find it a bit like Ebay. If I read 5 posts from someone and they’re not so exciting, I tend to just skim or delete anything else from them in the future. My mind gives its own feedback rating. I figure a lot of others do the same, there’s probably whole layers of activity on the list, some reading everything, others skimming, others only reading posts by those they consider have something interesting to relate. If there was the time to check it out, maybe it would turn out that the people who write the most posts actually get read the least. Maybe.

Don’t know how many people will read this!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Carlton Brown [mailto:carltonb@mindspring.com]
Sent: 06 July 2005 00:21
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I have to agree that the signal-to-noise ratio on this list has become lower and lower since early May.  Have to shovel through a lot of stuff to find the useful messages these days…
—–Original Message—–
From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:03 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] complaints, and taking part
Date: July 6, 2005 at 5:04:47 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk wrote in reply to Vivienne Elanta, who is apparently hanging out sifting through scores (or even hundreds) of messages down there where I think Ibo is legal
From now on, I will respond privately if it’s nothing to do with….. much.
I hope this helps reduce the litter on Ibogaine.<

To which I add my own perspective, completely honoring whatever it is Kirk wants to do (but I too wish that box would get itself fixed- just a peeve and a friendly one too):

I promise to continue doing whatever it is that helps me get through my day, and if some soul misses out on some gem possibly but not usually buried deep amongst the throes (last?) of my spasms of postings, I apologize, but don’t think I’m going to stop.
Why not ADD to a conversation, or start one you’d rather talk about, or stop reading posts by preston (me) and whomever else might bother you, or whatever it is that will make YOU happier without forcing ME to do things differently?
I get all sorts of useful replies, and a whole lot of being ignored too, from my own participation here.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Etc.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vivienne Elanta [mailto:vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 3:22 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] signal to noise

With respect for all and no anger towards any:

I know there are more ibogaine lists here, there is this main list, the
sacrament list and I think Patrick said he made the ibeganagain list for
those
who wanted to make friends or freak out or anything at all.

I love this place, but everyone from the world of ibogaine who says
something I
want to hear is on this list but then any time I open my mailbox there are
400
new messages of the same group of folks chatting filling up my email, that
could just as easily be cced to 5 people and there is no need to send it to
the
5,000 sitting in the audience.

I think it took a tremendous amount of work to make all of Mindvox and takes
even more work and money to keep it running, when 5 people begin to use it
as
their personal social club it is a little thoughtless.

I can’t see any simple solution, Patrick did mention how online community
works
and reading the background of mindvox I guess you would know, Mindvox is
referenced in most books on online community and how people interact and
there’s Patrick appearing in Ph.D thesis’ from 10 and 15 years back. You do
get
around Mr. Kroupa! :^)

The problem is that some of the same people who talk the most and I can open
up
my email and find 20 letters from them in 2 days, will put some of the most
interesting and useful information in a sentence down at the end of a
message
somewhere in the middle.

Then I ask myself am I missing some gems that get buried but what Capt. Kirk
said is true too, how many exciting new updates happen each day in the world
of
ibogaine and then there are the mindvox, ibogaine.org, ibogaineuk sites to
list
that anyway.

The conclusion I’m left with for myself is the list works because if I want
to
ask a question, there have always been so many people here who will answer
it
and the more answers there are, usually at least 2 or 3 are useful to me!

If I was looking for help and depressed and miserable, finding this place
would
be like coming home and finding hope. I’d love it and feel great.

What’s left of all this, anyone who is anyone is signed up here and the most
unexpected people post once in a blue moon showing they are reading here.
There
is a huge community and support here, that’s helping. I can’t say I wish
certain people would stop posting here every time they change the channel on
TV, because those same people post some really helpful messages.

I read some of the theory of how online community works and I have to guess
Mindvox is doing the right thing because all it does is keep going and
growing
and it started doing this in 1991!

What can I say except I hope that some of the people who are the most
chatty,
understand that because you write 20 messages here every two days, I would
think many people here miss everything you are saying.

I haven’t blocked anyone’s email exclusively but I do admint that when I see
the names hslotosf, digital, schmoolyboy, a few others, I read every
message.
When I see the names captkirk and preston filling up my email, I don’t get
to
read most of what you say because I can’t keep up with it. When I see
someone I
don’t know I read it, when I see even a message or two I read it too, when I
see 20 messages from captkirk and preston in not even 2 days but in two
hours!,
I have to admit I give up and don’t read any of them. Which is my loss
because
both of you share some very interesting information.

I don’t know what to say because there is more signal here then anywhere on
the
whole internet, about ibogaine. all the best minds and most experienced
shamans
are here. there is also the most “noise” or chatter and then the chatter is
back to being community and its not really noise.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

— Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

> How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much
> new
> information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a
> daily
> basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes
> resolutions/useful
> information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug
> use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
> Perhaps the welcome message should state:-
>
>  “In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,
> there may
> be a lot of “noise”.
>
>

It already says that-

The Ibogaine List was established to facilitate discussion of Philip K.
Dick; time travel physics; bathtub chemistry; elaborate conspiracy
theories, and UFO’s. It provides highly-disturbed individuals with a
publicly accessible venue where they can have extended seizures about
whatever is really bothering them, a lot, that day; while allowing the
mostly silent majority the opportunity to feel much better about
themselves, “Wow, things could be MUCH WORSE! I mean, I could be the
idiot who just wrote all that!@#!!!!”

Occasionally, people also discuss ibogaine.

A workable paradigm that explains everything, amounts to: the ibogaine
list is sorta like a combination of group therapy and theatre of the
absurd, performed in front of an audience. In other words, if you’ve
ever attended a 12-step meeting, or spent much time hangin’ out in
shooting galleries or crackhouses … well, you should feel right at
home.

Once in a while, BURSTS of information will sail across the event
horizon. Sometimes it’s even accurate.

At the present time the participants include pretty much everyone in
the ibogaine universe; ranging from all the major — and minor —
ibogaine treatment providers, a variety of Ph.D.s and M.D.s,
heartwarming success stories, complete disasters, psychonauts, junkies,
crackheads, disenfranchised nutjobs, and the Ghost of Saint Cobain.

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] david fincher/trent reznor/mac commercial
Date: July 6, 2005 at 3:27:36 AM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

how fucking amazing/awesome/incredible

watch this now

mms://msent.wmod.llnwd.net/a304/o2/msftmsne/Prod/wmv/v9/Video/44/45/69/101694544.wmv

FUCK!@#$%

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Enterprise….
Date: July 6, 2005 at 3:09:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Capt

I enjoy reading your posts,..they make me smile. You and Tink are a good twisted addition
to this magic list and all it’s people. I am loving ALL of it.

By the way,..your post talking about Chakras and Ibogaine is on the same grounds as what
I have been thinking. Maybe the vibration that the Ibo’ puts you through opens all your chakras
enabling you to recieve all this information. Similar to what Yoga/meditation does, except Ibo’
does it straight away.

Just a thought.

There is a dance called the Kondalini dance(spelling unsure) that opens these Chakras, when I
do this I get a similar “glowing” feeling in my heart similar to the Ibo’.

Listening to Tommy Emmanual,..f*ck he’s good.

love,
Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

Praying I am in the +3~~~~~~!!!
All the best, though you probably won’t read this…..
I love this lame list.   I have learnt and keep learning about Ibogaine.  If you need to know something YOU JUST ASK.   I  have learnt about heaps of other stuff, and have FINALLY found a family that I can relate to TOTALLY.
What is wrong with friendships??????????
Ok true, a lot of replies probably could be made privately……and if this is a PROBLEM to others, please say so, and I’ll glad back right off.
Won’t send hugs or love, you don’t sound like you’re into it.
Each to their own with what they do, what they use…….. they’re not the reason this stuff is illegal IT”S YOUR GOVERNMENT>
cheesh
Kirk
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Crashtest Dummies
Date: July 6, 2005 at 2:15:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 6, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Vector Vector wrote:

I think MindVox is doing that, Patrick mentioned they have new servers
and it all goes out over the web soon. I do agree this would be a
welcome addition. MindVox had this in what 1995? It would be great to
have it back.

The filtering and sorting isn’t a problem, I think I prefer email for
that, my problem is I have my personal favorites archive of what’s
here, but there are 30 or 40 thousand messages here covering 5 or 6
years! It’s impossible to find anything in all that.

In addition to being the church, nightclub, mental hospital, this is
also the library of alexandria and castle of frankenstein 🙂 Patrick we
really could use web access 🙂 🙂

Yeah, there’s a new quad-cpu box and 10,000RPM disk array, which will deal with it.

The problems are: we are basically saturating an entire T1, and three 7200RPM disks are getting ground from sheer I/O, there is a staggering mountain of crap that bounces in and out of here on a daily basis.  Essentially, plugging in our rack is the same thing as running a DOS on our hosting facility.

Aside from expenses, it takes a lot of hardware and TIME to do this.

The issue ain’t lighting up invision or jelsoft, or whatever php, py, or pl thing.  The issue is porting all messages into a format that allows us to populate and automagically thread/sort the mountain that already exists here.

And … a bi-directional gateway betwixt Forums and Email.

i.e., When someone posts a message to a list -> it lands in the appropriate Forum.  When someone posts to a Forum -> it lands back on the appropriate list.

Many people are here ‘cuz I invited ’em here, and they WILL NOT go click things and read forums.  “I really, don’t have time for this shit.  The most I am willing to do free of charge is occasionally answer some questions I scan in my inbox.”

For what it’s worth, I am one of those people.  My filters work, names I want to hear from drift to the top, and Spotlight beats the fuck out of <Whatever> if I want to scan every message that has ever existed and pull content out of chaos.

There are also some additional variables to work out, such as not exporting certain messages to the web.  Some people are Zen with their words being splattered everywhere; others do not want their messages wedged into google’s cache, archive.org, readable by anybody unless they are expressly signed into THAT LIST, or <Many Other Variables>.

In short, there’s a buncha shit that needs to be user-selectable.  While some of these features already exist, a lot of this does not seem to be present in any pre-existing conferencing package.  We need to Make it Go.

If you have basic unix knowledge, awareness of any pre-existing plug-in, collection of scripts, or (ool m0d; which deals with running a Forum exported to http or https and EZMLM list SIMULTANEOUSLY and IN SYNC … plz lemme know.

There is another forum dedicated to this very topic:

crashtestdummies-subscribe@mindvox.com

Please do not dump this into the middle of the ibogaine list.

Not useful: You should spend hundreds of hours doing <This>, <That>, <The Other Thing>.  Plus, also, allow me to complain about something I make use of every single day, yet have never paid .5 cents for.

Useful: I know how to do <This>, <That>, <The Other Thing>, and I’d like to help; or — I have reasonable input and/or experience.

Mucho gracias,

Patrick

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 6, 2005 at 2:03:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, make of it what you will, I am not recommending anything and have no idea what the US law is regarding this, but in the email I posted yesterday, I quoted an American guy (posting on an Australian forum) who said the following:

“The tiny percentage of ibo in the seeds is not enough to keep them out of the USA.
7 grams has been reported to be an adequate dose for voyaging, but just chewing 4-6 seeds will put a smile in your heart and a smile on your face.
It has been reported that the seeds are nicely smokable when crushed and put into a pipe.
The root bark acetone 12.5:1 produces a tryptaminic alert and smells of scatol when pyrolized.
An a/b of the root bark produced by a student showed promise, but not enough was produced in the experimental first attempt to fully determine strength or dosage as caution was used until a dose likely to be large enough to have produced extreme effects (possibly 60-100mg at one dosing) was no longer available.’

http://www.shaman-australis.com.au/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002167

I know that I would not order voacanga seed powder into Australia, as people have already been in trouble for that. And here Ibogaine is not illegal, only importing it is. But the relatively small amount of Ibogaine in the seeds is enough to qualify the seed  powder as prohibited. The person above is implying otherwise for the US. Don’t know if he is speculating, testing his luck or is flat out wrong.

Boris

—- irv cutler <irvcutler@charter.net> wrote:
Where can I get aho;d of this vocanga. Is it legal in the shitty USA? Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga

That anonymous fellow just keeps forwarding me new stories. Here is what he
wrote this time:

“Yesterday, after reading all information I could find on the use of V.
africana, I decided to try it for myself, having recently come into
possession of a
small amount.

About 80 seeds were ground and capsulated, resulting in 7 pills. No smell
was
noticed. I read that the Ibogoid-type alkaloids present in the seeds can act
as CNS depressants so I avoided any GHB (better safe than sorry).
More on voacanga.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6064

At about 4:00 I took the pills. No effect was noticed until about 2 hours
later, which was manifested as a quite subtle stimulated, euphoric feeling.
The
feeling was quite mild and about 3 hours after that, I felt unusually tired
and
took a 2-hour nap. (I had a rather unpleasant dream, I should add, although
I
don’t know if this is attributable to the V. africana or not). No nausea was
experienced from ingestion of the material.

I woke up feeling pretty much “normal”. This experiment did little to peak
my
interest in this plant, I don’t think I’ll be going out of my way to try it
again any time soon. Not very interesting.”

Brain Res Bull. 1997;44(5):603-10.

Ibogaine and a total alkaloidal extract of Voacanga africana modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the rat parabrachial
nucleus in
vitro.

Kombian SB, Saleh TM, Fiagbe NI, Chen X, Akabutu JJ, Buolamwini JK, Pittman
QJ
.

NRG, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Canada.
kombian@acs.ucalgary.ca

Ibogaine is a natural alkaloid of Voacanga africana that is effective in the
treatment of withdrawal symptoms and craving in drug addicts. As the
synaptic
and cellular basis of ibogaine’s actions are not well understood, this study
tested the hypothesis that ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the parabrachial nucleus
using
the nystatin perforated patch-recording technique. Ibogaine and Voacanga
africana extract dose dependently, reversibly, and consistently attenuate
evoked
excitatory synaptic currents recorded in parabrachial neurons. The ED50 of
ibogaine’s effect is 5 microM, while that of Voacanga africana extract is
170
micrograms/ml. At higher concentrations, ibogaine and Voacanga africana
extract
induce inward currents or depolarization that are accompanied by increases
in
evoked and spontaneous firing rate. The depolarization or inward current is
also
accompanied by an increase in input resistance and reverses polarity around
0
mV. The depolarization and synaptic depression were blocked by the dopamine
receptor antagonist haloperidol. These results indicate that ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract 1) depolarize parabrachial neurons with increased
excitability and firing rate; 2) depress non-NMDA receptor-mediated fast
synaptic
transmission; 3) involve dopamine receptor activation in their actions.
These
results further reveal that the Voacanga africana extract has one-hundredth
the
activity of ibogaine in depressing synaptic responses. Thus, ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract may produce their central effects by altering
dopaminergic
and glutamatergic processes.

In a message dated 7/4/05 8:09:11 PM, slowone@hush.ai writes:

<< Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
you have
broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

have the big
one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
conclusion
that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
Ibogaine effect.
As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

No set dose.
It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
someone
probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
of Vocanga on the
net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
think it is a
viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
Randy >>

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From: kevyn at the Cluster <kevyn@pagancluster.org>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Forum?
Date: July 6, 2005 at 1:31:05 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have a server, which I host alot of information, non for profit sites and such.
I have easy to manage hosting software with one click forum boards and such.

if someone needs it, I am happy to provide the hosting, but someone else would need to have admin priveledges, since I rarely post and have trouble keeping up with the emails daily.
I would certainly prefer boards, since I can scan them much faster and read the relevant info I want in much faster and more convenient method.

If someone wishes to use me, feel free,
Contact me off list if you like at kevyn@pagancluster.org or kevyn@greasegypsy.com

peace
kevyn cormack

Vector Vector wrote:
I think MindVox is doing that, Patrick mentioned they have new servers
and it all goes out over the web soon. I do agree this would be a
welcome addition. MindVox had this in what 1995? It would be great to
have it back.

The filtering and sorting isn’t a problem, I think I prefer email for
that, my problem is I have my personal favorites archive of what’s
here, but there are 30 or 40 thousand messages here covering 5 or 6
years! It’s impossible to find anything in all that.

In addition to being the church, nightclub, mental hospital, this is
also the library of alexandria and castle of frankenstein 🙂 Patrick we
really could use web access 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Regarding the signal:noise debate, maybe its time the email list
expanded to an online forum? Does the Mindvox server have the
capacity to host such a thing? Does someone have the knowledge, time
and desire to run such a thing?

An online forum would be MUCH more appropriate for the “community”
aspect of the list. It would also be a searchable, interractive,
permanant, multimedia (including your photos, stories, links etc)
record of all the discussions taking place.

Maybe someone can host it somewhere else?
Like on the Ibogaine Dossier site?

An example of such a forum:
http://www.shroomery.org/ -> a forum dedicated to the discussion of
hallucinogenic mushrooms.
go to the Community-> Message Board section.

other examples:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/ (no ibogaine section there)
www.entheogen.net (psychoactive plant community)
http://forum.opiophile.org/ (opiates forum)

Failing that, its not really that big a problem if you know how to
use filters in your email program.
– Filter all the [Ibogaine] list emails to a separate folder.
– Don’t read what people you don’t like write.
– Put [OT] in your Subject if you’re not specifically talking about
Ibogaine.
– Email people on their personal email address if you have something
personal to say.

cheers
Boris

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Forum?
Date: July 6, 2005 at 12:29:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: digital@phantom.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think MindVox is doing that, Patrick mentioned they have new servers
and it all goes out over the web soon. I do agree this would be a
welcome addition. MindVox had this in what 1995? It would be great to
have it back.

The filtering and sorting isn’t a problem, I think I prefer email for
that, my problem is I have my personal favorites archive of what’s
here, but there are 30 or 40 thousand messages here covering 5 or 6
years! It’s impossible to find anything in all that.

In addition to being the church, nightclub, mental hospital, this is
also the library of alexandria and castle of frankenstein 🙂 Patrick we
really could use web access 🙂 🙂

.:vector:.

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Regarding the signal:noise debate, maybe its time the email list
expanded to an online forum? Does the Mindvox server have the
capacity to host such a thing? Does someone have the knowledge, time
and desire to run such a thing?

An online forum would be MUCH more appropriate for the “community”
aspect of the list. It would also be a searchable, interractive,
permanant, multimedia (including your photos, stories, links etc)
record of all the discussions taking place.

Maybe someone can host it somewhere else?
Like on the Ibogaine Dossier site?

An example of such a forum:
http://www.shroomery.org/ -> a forum dedicated to the discussion of
hallucinogenic mushrooms.
go to the Community-> Message Board section.

other examples:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/   (no ibogaine section there)
www.entheogen.net   (psychoactive plant community)
http://forum.opiophile.org/  (opiates forum)

Failing that, its not really that big a problem if you know how to
use filters in your email program.
– Filter all the [Ibogaine] list emails to a separate folder.
– Don’t read what people you don’t like write.
– Put [OT] in your Subject if you’re not specifically talking about
Ibogaine.
– Email people on their personal email address if you have something
personal to say.

cheers
Boris

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Forum?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:58:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Regarding the signal:noise debate, maybe its time the email list expanded to an online forum? Does the Mindvox server have the capacity to host such a thing? Does someone have the knowledge, time and desire to run such a thing?

An online forum would be MUCH more appropriate for the “community” aspect of the list. It would also be a searchable, interractive, permanant, multimedia (including your photos, stories, links etc) record of all the discussions taking place.

Maybe someone can host it somewhere else?
Like on the Ibogaine Dossier site?

An example of such a forum:
http://www.shroomery.org/ -> a forum dedicated to the discussion of hallucinogenic mushrooms.
go to the Community-> Message Board section.

other examples:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/   (no ibogaine section there)
www.entheogen.net   (psychoactive plant community)
http://forum.opiophile.org/  (opiates forum)

Failing that, its not really that big a problem if you know how to use filters in your email program.
– Filter all the [Ibogaine] list emails to a separate folder.
– Don’t read what people you don’t like write.
– Put [OT] in your Subject if you’re not specifically talking about Ibogaine.
– Email people on their personal email address if you have something personal to say.

cheers
Boris

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Yes, get finger on delete it’s ME again!!
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:49:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi viv,
Thank you kindly for your words… I will definitely look into my compulsive
urges to hit REPLY, I guess I have gotten addicted to this place and the
people who choose to write regularly. I’m working on my addictive
personality/behaviours, honest I am.   I also get your point of seeing me
far too much in your mailbox. I see myself everyday and I don’t like it much
either.
My promise to all:-
From now on, I will respond privately if it’s nothing to do with….. much.
I hope this helps reduce the litter on Ibogaine.
Yours truly
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Vivienne Elanta [mailto:vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 3:22 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] signal to noise

With respect for all and no anger towards any:

I know there are more ibogaine lists here, there is this main list, the
sacrament list and I think Patrick said he made the ibeganagain list for
those
who wanted to make friends or freak out or anything at all.

I love this place, but everyone from the world of ibogaine who says
something I
want to hear is on this list but then any time I open my mailbox there are
400
new messages of the same group of folks chatting filling up my email, that
could just as easily be cced to 5 people and there is no need to send it to
the
5,000 sitting in the audience.

I think it took a tremendous amount of work to make all of Mindvox and takes
even more work and money to keep it running, when 5 people begin to use it
as
their personal social club it is a little thoughtless.

I can’t see any simple solution, Patrick did mention how online community
works
and reading the background of mindvox I guess you would know, Mindvox is
referenced in most books on online community and how people interact and
there’s Patrick appearing in Ph.D thesis’ from 10 and 15 years back. You do
get
around Mr. Kroupa! :^)

The problem is that some of the same people who talk the most and I can open
up
my email and find 20 letters from them in 2 days, will put some of the most
interesting and useful information in a sentence down at the end of a
message
somewhere in the middle.

Then I ask myself am I missing some gems that get buried but what Capt. Kirk
said is true too, how many exciting new updates happen each day in the world
of
ibogaine and then there are the mindvox, ibogaine.org, ibogaineuk sites to
list
that anyway.

The conclusion I’m left with for myself is the list works because if I want
to
ask a question, there have always been so many people here who will answer
it
and the more answers there are, usually at least 2 or 3 are useful to me!

If I was looking for help and depressed and miserable, finding this place
would
be like coming home and finding hope. I’d love it and feel great.

What’s left of all this, anyone who is anyone is signed up here and the most
unexpected people post once in a blue moon showing they are reading here.
There
is a huge community and support here, that’s helping. I can’t say I wish
certain people would stop posting here every time they change the channel on
TV, because those same people post some really helpful messages.

I read some of the theory of how online community works and I have to guess
Mindvox is doing the right thing because all it does is keep going and
growing
and it started doing this in 1991!

What can I say except I hope that some of the people who are the most
chatty,
understand that because you write 20 messages here every two days, I would
think many people here miss everything you are saying.

I haven’t blocked anyone’s email exclusively but I do admint that when I see
the names hslotosf, digital, schmoolyboy, a few others, I read every
message.
When I see the names captkirk and preston filling up my email, I don’t get
to
read most of what you say because I can’t keep up with it. When I see
someone I
don’t know I read it, when I see even a message or two I read it too, when I
see 20 messages from captkirk and preston in not even 2 days but in two
hours!,
I have to admit I give up and don’t read any of them. Which is my loss
because
both of you share some very interesting information.

I don’t know what to say because there is more signal here then anywhere on
the
whole internet, about ibogaine. all the best minds and most experienced
shamans
are here. there is also the most “noise” or chatter and then the chatter is
back to being community and its not really noise.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

— Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much
new
information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a
daily
basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes
resolutions/useful
information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug
use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
Perhaps the welcome message should state:-

“In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,
there may
be a lot of “noise”.

It already says that-

The Ibogaine List was established to facilitate discussion of Philip K.
Dick; time travel physics; bathtub chemistry; elaborate conspiracy
theories, and UFO’s. It provides highly-disturbed individuals with a
publicly accessible venue where they can have extended seizures about
whatever is really bothering them, a lot, that day; while allowing the
mostly silent majority the opportunity to feel much better about
themselves, “Wow, things could be MUCH WORSE! I mean, I could be the
idiot who just wrote all that!@#!!!!”

Occasionally, people also discuss ibogaine.

A workable paradigm that explains everything, amounts to: the ibogaine
list is sorta like a combination of group therapy and theatre of the
absurd, performed in front of an audience. In other words, if you’ve
ever attended a 12-step meeting, or spent much time hangin’ out in
shooting galleries or crackhouses … well, you should feel right at
home.

Once in a while, BURSTS of information will sail across the event
horizon. Sometimes it’s even accurate.

At the present time the participants include pretty much everyone in
the ibogaine universe; ranging from all the major — and minor —
ibogaine treatment providers, a variety of Ph.D.s and M.D.s,
heartwarming success stories, complete disasters, psychonauts, junkies,
crackheads, disenfranchised nutjobs, and the Ghost of Saint Cobain.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] signal to noise
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:44:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The solution is to learn how to use your email filtering and figure out
what you want to read for yourself, letting the rest of it go by.

I don’t think anyone wants it to change, the Church of MindVox is part
church, part nightclub, part insane asylum. All that chaos let’s the
messianic drug dealers drift through the room and pull aside new
initiates who need help 🙂

If you want quiet, unsubscribe and stick to reading the ibogaine web
sites, or join one of 500 forums mentioning ibogaine on the internet.
Each one has 20 msgs, 19 of which have only questions and no content,
then someone posts a link to here or ibogaine.org 😉

You could also sign up to the digest for this list, which sorts the
messages by thread and date and makes one big message for every 50 or
60 here 😉

.:vector:.

Capt. Kirk I do wish you’d fix your own email. Besides 8 copies of some
drunk guy passed out with a cat on his chest, I get 8 more copies of
this:

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***

If you think this message is incorrect please contact
postmaster@concept.net.nz.

Header of your message follows…

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Received: (qmail 18183 invoked by alias); 6 Jul 2005 02:41:38 -0000
Mailing-List: contact ibogaine-help@mindvox.com; run by ezmlm
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List-Post: <mailto:ibogaine@mindvox.com>
List-Help: <mailto:ibogaine-help@mindvox.com>
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

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— Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

With respect for all and no anger towards any:

I know there are more ibogaine lists here, there is this main list,
the
sacrament list and I think Patrick said he made the ibeganagain list
for those
who wanted to make friends or freak out or anything at all.

I love this place, but everyone from the world of ibogaine who says
something I
want to hear is on this list but then any time I open my mailbox
there are 400
new messages of the same group of folks chatting filling up my email,
that
could just as easily be cced to 5 people and there is no need to send
it to the
5,000 sitting in the audience.

I think it took a tremendous amount of work to make all of Mindvox
and takes
even more work and money to keep it running, when 5 people begin to
use it as
their personal social club it is a little thoughtless.

I can’t see any simple solution, Patrick did mention how online
community works
and reading the background of mindvox I guess you would know, Mindvox
is
referenced in most books on online community and how people interact
and
there’s Patrick appearing in Ph.D thesis’ from 10 and 15 years back.
You do get
around Mr. Kroupa! :^)

The problem is that some of the same people who talk the most and I
can open up
my email and find 20 letters from them in 2 days, will put some of
the most
interesting and useful information in a sentence down at the end of a
message
somewhere in the middle.

Then I ask myself am I missing some gems that get buried but what
Capt. Kirk
said is true too, how many exciting new updates happen each day in
the world of
ibogaine and then there are the mindvox, ibogaine.org, ibogaineuk
sites to list
that anyway.

The conclusion I’m left with for myself is the list works because if
I want to
ask a question, there have always been so many people here who will
answer it
and the more answers there are, usually at least 2 or 3 are useful to
me!

If I was looking for help and depressed and miserable, finding this
place would
be like coming home and finding hope. I’d love it and feel great.

What’s left of all this, anyone who is anyone is signed up here and
the most
unexpected people post once in a blue moon showing they are reading
here. There
is a huge community and support here, that’s helping. I can’t say I
wish
certain people would stop posting here every time they change the
channel on
TV, because those same people post some really helpful messages.

I read some of the theory of how online community works and I have to
guess
Mindvox is doing the right thing because all it does is keep going
and growing
and it started doing this in 1991!

What can I say except I hope that some of the people who are the most
chatty,
understand that because you write 20 messages here every two days, I
would
think many people here miss everything you are saying.

I haven’t blocked anyone’s email exclusively but I do admint that
when I see
the names hslotosf, digital, schmoolyboy, a few others, I read every
message.
When I see the names captkirk and preston filling up my email, I
don’t get to
read most of what you say because I can’t keep up with it. When I see
someone I
don’t know I read it, when I see even a message or two I read it too,
when I
see 20 messages from captkirk and preston in not even 2 days but in
two hours!,
I have to admit I give up and don’t read any of them. Which is my
loss because
both of you share some very interesting information.

I don’t know what to say because there is more signal here then
anywhere on the
whole internet, about ibogaine. all the best minds and most
experienced shamans
are here. there is also the most “noise” or chatter and then the
chatter is
back to being community and its not really noise.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

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From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] signal to noise
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:21:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

With respect for all and no anger towards any:

I know there are more ibogaine lists here, there is this main list, the
sacrament list and I think Patrick said he made the ibeganagain list for those
who wanted to make friends or freak out or anything at all.

I love this place, but everyone from the world of ibogaine who says something I
want to hear is on this list but then any time I open my mailbox there are 400
new messages of the same group of folks chatting filling up my email, that
could just as easily be cced to 5 people and there is no need to send it to the
5,000 sitting in the audience.

I think it took a tremendous amount of work to make all of Mindvox and takes
even more work and money to keep it running, when 5 people begin to use it as
their personal social club it is a little thoughtless.

I can’t see any simple solution, Patrick did mention how online community works
and reading the background of mindvox I guess you would know, Mindvox is
referenced in most books on online community and how people interact and
there’s Patrick appearing in Ph.D thesis’ from 10 and 15 years back. You do get
around Mr. Kroupa! :^)

The problem is that some of the same people who talk the most and I can open up
my email and find 20 letters from them in 2 days, will put some of the most
interesting and useful information in a sentence down at the end of a message
somewhere in the middle.

Then I ask myself am I missing some gems that get buried but what Capt. Kirk
said is true too, how many exciting new updates happen each day in the world of
ibogaine and then there are the mindvox, ibogaine.org, ibogaineuk sites to list
that anyway.

The conclusion I’m left with for myself is the list works because if I want to
ask a question, there have always been so many people here who will answer it
and the more answers there are, usually at least 2 or 3 are useful to me!

If I was looking for help and depressed and miserable, finding this place would
be like coming home and finding hope. I’d love it and feel great.

What’s left of all this, anyone who is anyone is signed up here and the most
unexpected people post once in a blue moon showing they are reading here. There
is a huge community and support here, that’s helping. I can’t say I wish
certain people would stop posting here every time they change the channel on
TV, because those same people post some really helpful messages.

I read some of the theory of how online community works and I have to guess
Mindvox is doing the right thing because all it does is keep going and growing
and it started doing this in 1991!

What can I say except I hope that some of the people who are the most chatty,
understand that because you write 20 messages here every two days, I would
think many people here miss everything you are saying.

I haven’t blocked anyone’s email exclusively but I do admint that when I see
the names hslotosf, digital, schmoolyboy, a few others, I read every message.
When I see the names captkirk and preston filling up my email, I don’t get to
read most of what you say because I can’t keep up with it. When I see someone I
don’t know I read it, when I see even a message or two I read it too, when I
see 20 messages from captkirk and preston in not even 2 days but in two hours!,
I have to admit I give up and don’t read any of them. Which is my loss because
both of you share some very interesting information.

I don’t know what to say because there is more signal here then anywhere on the
whole internet, about ibogaine. all the best minds and most experienced shamans
are here. there is also the most “noise” or chatter and then the chatter is
back to being community and its not really noise.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

— Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much
new
information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a
daily
basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes
resolutions/useful
information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug
use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
Perhaps the welcome message should state:-

“In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,
there may
be a lot of “noise”.

It already says that-

The Ibogaine List was established to facilitate discussion of Philip K.
Dick; time travel physics; bathtub chemistry; elaborate conspiracy
theories, and UFO’s. It provides highly-disturbed individuals with a
publicly accessible venue where they can have extended seizures about
whatever is really bothering them, a lot, that day; while allowing the
mostly silent majority the opportunity to feel much better about
themselves, “Wow, things could be MUCH WORSE! I mean, I could be the
idiot who just wrote all that!@#!!!!”

Occasionally, people also discuss ibogaine.

A workable paradigm that explains everything, amounts to: the ibogaine
list is sorta like a combination of group therapy and theatre of the
absurd, performed in front of an audience. In other words, if you’ve
ever attended a 12-step meeting, or spent much time hangin’ out in
shooting galleries or crackhouses … well, you should feel right at
home.

Once in a while, BURSTS of information will sail across the event
horizon. Sometimes it’s even accurate.

At the present time the participants include pretty much everyone in
the ibogaine universe; ranging from all the major — and minor —
ibogaine treatment providers, a variety of Ph.D.s and M.D.s,
heartwarming success stories, complete disasters, psychonauts, junkies,
crackheads, disenfranchised nutjobs, and the Ghost of Saint Cobain.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:20:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, well………what’s the blimmin problem then??????????????????????
I apologize for my hormonal state (moanin’ darn hors) I get a bit arrrrgyyy
when my family is attacked.
Love to all
Kirk xxxxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 3:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

— Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much
new
information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a
daily
basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes
resolutions/useful
information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug
use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
Perhaps the welcome message should state:-

“In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,
there may
be a lot of “noise”.

It already says that-

The Ibogaine List was established to facilitate discussion of Philip K.
Dick; time travel physics; bathtub chemistry; elaborate conspiracy
theories, and UFO’s. It provides highly-disturbed individuals with a
publicly accessible venue where they can have extended seizures about
whatever is really bothering them, a lot, that day; while allowing the
mostly silent majority the opportunity to feel much better about
themselves, “Wow, things could be MUCH WORSE! I mean, I could be the
idiot who just wrote all that!@#!!!!”

Occasionally, people also discuss ibogaine.

A workable paradigm that explains everything, amounts to: the ibogaine
list is sorta like a combination of group therapy and theatre of the
absurd, performed in front of an audience. In other words, if you’ve
ever attended a 12-step meeting, or spent much time hangin’ out in
shooting galleries or crackhouses … well, you should feel right at
home.

Once in a while, BURSTS of information will sail across the event
horizon. Sometimes it’s even accurate.

At the present time the participants include pretty much everyone in
the ibogaine universe; ranging from all the major — and minor —
ibogaine treatment providers, a variety of Ph.D.s and M.D.s,
heartwarming success stories, complete disasters, psychonauts, junkies,
crackheads, disenfranchised nutjobs, and the Ghost of Saint Cobain.

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:05:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much
new
information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a
daily
basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes
resolutions/useful
information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug
use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
Perhaps the welcome message should state:-

“In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,
there may
be a lot of “noise”.

It already says that-

The Ibogaine List was established to facilitate discussion of Philip K.
Dick; time travel physics; bathtub chemistry; elaborate conspiracy
theories, and UFO’s. It provides highly-disturbed individuals with a
publicly accessible venue where they can have extended seizures about
whatever is really bothering them, a lot, that day; while allowing the
mostly silent majority the opportunity to feel much better about
themselves, “Wow, things could be MUCH WORSE! I mean, I could be the
idiot who just wrote all that!@#!!!!”

Occasionally, people also discuss ibogaine.

A workable paradigm that explains everything, amounts to: the ibogaine
list is sorta like a combination of group therapy and theatre of the
absurd, performed in front of an audience. In other words, if you’ve
ever attended a 12-step meeting, or spent much time hangin’ out in
shooting galleries or crackhouses … well, you should feel right at
home.

Once in a while, BURSTS of information will sail across the event
horizon. Sometimes it’s even accurate.

At the present time the participants include pretty much everyone in
the ibogaine universe; ranging from all the major — and minor —
ibogaine treatment providers, a variety of Ph.D.s and M.D.s,
heartwarming success stories, complete disasters, psychonauts, junkies,
crackheads, disenfranchised nutjobs, and the Ghost of Saint Cobain.

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 5, 2005 at 8:50:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Where can I get aho;d of this vocanga. Is it legal in the shitty USA? Irv
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga

That anonymous fellow just keeps forwarding me new stories. Here is what he
wrote this time:

“Yesterday, after reading all information I could find on the use of V.
africana, I decided to try it for myself, having recently come into possession of a
small amount.

About 80 seeds were ground and capsulated, resulting in 7 pills. No smell was
noticed. I read that the Ibogoid-type alkaloids present in the seeds can act
as CNS depressants so I avoided any GHB (better safe than sorry).
More on voacanga.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6064

At about 4:00 I took the pills. No effect was noticed until about 2 hours
later, which was manifested as a quite subtle stimulated, euphoric feeling. The
feeling was quite mild and about 3 hours after that, I felt unusually tired and
took a 2-hour nap. (I had a rather unpleasant dream, I should add, although I
don’t know if this is attributable to the V. africana or not). No nausea was
experienced from ingestion of the material.

I woke up feeling pretty much “normal”. This experiment did little to peak my
interest in this plant, I don’t think I’ll be going out of my way to try it
again any time soon. Not very interesting.”

Brain Res Bull. 1997;44(5):603-10.

Ibogaine and a total alkaloidal extract of Voacanga africana modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the rat parabrachial nucleus in
vitro.

Kombian SB, Saleh TM, Fiagbe NI, Chen X, Akabutu JJ, Buolamwini JK, Pittman QJ
.

NRG, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Canada.
kombian@acs.ucalgary.ca

Ibogaine is a natural alkaloid of Voacanga africana that is effective in the
treatment of withdrawal symptoms and craving in drug addicts. As the synaptic
and cellular basis of ibogaine’s actions are not well understood, this study
tested the hypothesis that ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the parabrachial nucleus using
the nystatin perforated patch-recording technique. Ibogaine and Voacanga
africana extract dose dependently, reversibly, and consistently attenuate evoked
excitatory synaptic currents recorded in parabrachial neurons. The ED50 of
ibogaine’s effect is 5 microM, while that of Voacanga africana extract is 170
micrograms/ml. At higher concentrations, ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract
induce inward currents or depolarization that are accompanied by increases in
evoked and spontaneous firing rate. The depolarization or inward current is also
accompanied by an increase in input resistance and reverses polarity around 0
mV. The depolarization and synaptic depression were blocked by the dopamine
receptor antagonist haloperidol. These results indicate that ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract 1) depolarize parabrachial neurons with increased
excitability and firing rate; 2) depress non-NMDA receptor-mediated fast synaptic
transmission; 3) involve dopamine receptor activation in their actions. These
results further reveal that the Voacanga africana extract has one-hundredth the
activity of ibogaine in depressing synaptic responses. Thus, ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract may produce their central effects by altering dopaminergic
and glutamatergic processes.

In a message dated 7/4/05 8:09:11 PM, slowone@hush.ai writes:

<< Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
you have
broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

have the big
one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
conclusion
that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
Ibogaine effect.
As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

No set dose.
It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
someone
probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
of Vocanga on the
net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
think it is a
viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
Randy >>

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 8:38:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How much useful information do you want on a daily basis?? How much new information on Ibogaine do you honestly think comes available on a daily basis?  With all the “noise” as you call it.. comes resolutions/useful information about all the various problems/experiences etc with drug use/Ibogaine/health issues etc etc.
Perhaps the welcome message should state:-
“In between the “useful” informative emails about Ibogaine only,  there may be a lot of “noise”.
For those who cannot handle “noise” please find an alternative, quiet,  “INFORMATION ONLY” Ibogaine list.  And if you do happen to find one of these, please feel free to come back here and whisper it to those others who only want “useful information”.

Yours truly
The 3+ Lame and Annoying Club.

From: Carlton Brown [mailto:carltonb@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:21 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I have to agree that the signal-to-noise ratio on this list has become lower and lower since early May.  Have to shovel through a lot of stuff to find the useful messages these days…
—–Original Message—–
From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:03 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details. 

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Carlton Brown” <carltonb@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 7:20:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to agree that the signal-to-noise ratio on this list has become lower and lower since early May.  Have to shovel through a lot of stuff to find the useful messages these days…
—–Original Message—–
From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:03 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Jen…
Date: July 5, 2005 at 6:10:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jen, please feel free to hop aboard here, get to know the people here etc,
then you’ll have all the info you need…..and maybe you’ll make some new
friends in the process?  We’re mostly all in the same boat…I’m sorry to
make light of it… my way of staying sane..(or insane?)
Would love to hear about your first Ibogaine experience?  If you feel
comfortable …..I’m always available off list….
Luff heaps
Kirsty Dawn xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Jen Reilly [mailto:jenreilly@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 9:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Help in SF?

i didn’t mean to hurt anybody, that is why i left my home phone and
personal email.
“transportation” —this is an error of a lonley censor.  jen

On 7/4/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Heh, well, if she is with the Feds, then I would suggest she go back to
“Infiltrating the Underground” training 101 cos their methods leave a lot
to
be desired!! Lol
And also, no offence, and all the best with it as well.
Love heaps
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 5:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Well, this person does say she already has the product so actual
“transportation” shouldn’t be an issue, but still, were someone to arrive
with scale in hand ready to help her weigh it out and she turned out not
to

be who she’s claimed, it would not be good for the person who showed up
ready and willing to help her engage in a serious felony.
I’m sure the feds could find all sorts of charges to stick on someone in
that position.
And please, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER, only
that it’s certainly not a very safe way of going about this.
Good luck to you in your endevour and wish I could help.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my
bad
;o)
Love always
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive
at
her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck,
and
to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s
too
bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it
is,
and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke

at
all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no
way
to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –
_,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;
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From: Jen Reilly <jenreilly@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Help in SF?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 5:43:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i didn’t mean to hurt anybody, that is why i left my home phone and
personal email.
“transportation” —this is an error of a lonley censor.  jen

On 7/4/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Heh, well, if she is with the Feds, then I would suggest she go back to
“Infiltrating the Underground” training 101 cos their methods leave a lot
to
be desired!! Lol
And also, no offence, and all the best with it as well.
Love heaps
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 5:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Well, this person does say she already has the product so actual
“transportation” shouldn’t be an issue, but still, were someone to arrive
with scale in hand ready to help her weigh it out and she turned out not to

be who she’s claimed, it would not be good for the person who showed up
ready and willing to help her engage in a serious felony.
I’m sure the feds could find all sorts of charges to stick on someone in
that position.
And please, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER, only
that it’s certainly not a very safe way of going about this.
Good luck to you in your endevour and wish I could help.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my
bad
;o)
Love always
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive
at
her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck,
and
to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s too
bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it is,
and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke
at
all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no
way
to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;
@^,/)

c^c

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, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Keith? How u doing?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 5:25:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Keith,  Hoping you are doing ok, let us know if you want, would be good
to hear how you are ;o)
Luff
Kirk

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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 5, 2005 at 4:21:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

kirk thank you please send info i knew there was a resorce for this info but i didn’t know where to begin this is real good with methadone detox and ibogaine because of the time it takes to rebuild and thanx for the info on stimulants    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Ah I knew someone had mentioned it!!
It also mentions amino acid L-phenylalanine (geez, la la lol)with other substances may help eliminate cravings for some drugs (hmmm) . another amino acid  called L-tryptophan is thought to help eliminate the craving for amphetamines.  L-tyrosine is being used  for the treatment and withdrawal of cocaine and crack addiction.
That’s about it for this book… the rest I wrote in, vits and herbs, supplementals.. can send you complete list if you like….amounts….
And no prob. Glad it is of help.
Luv heaps
Kirk xxx
From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI [mailto:rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 12:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 4:09:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
love and luck to you
tink

On 7/5/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

Praying I am in the +3~~~~~~!!!

All the best, though you probably won’t read this…..

I love this lame list.   I have learnt and keep learning about Ibogaine.  If
you need to know something YOU JUST ASK.   I  have learnt about heaps of
other stuff, and have FINALLY found a family that I can relate to TOTALLY.

What is wrong with friendships??????????

Ok true, a lot of replies probably could be made privately……and if this is a
PROBLEM to others, please say so, and I’ll glad back right off.

Won’t send hugs or love, you don’t sound like you’re into it.

Each to their own with what they do, what they use…….. they’re not the
reason this stuff is illegal IT”S YOUR GOVERNMENT>
cheesh

Kirk

________________________________

From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 4:03 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do
is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete
when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important
comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc…
posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d
appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting
this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with
other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded
positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get
ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU
who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need
a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Preston, you @#$%@%@!!!
Date: July 5, 2005 at 3:46:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, well duh of course Preston (God luvs an ass but he/she/they hate a
smart ass!!! Lol)
I meant…..as in relation to what you’re seeing on your puter screen.
But apparently it’s your beautiful cats.
Wonder what this new white cat is here for?
I love em all
(sorry if that was too cutsey….)
Oh, information about Ibogaine:-  um… Ibogaine is…. temporarily
unattainable to me.  Hope that helps.
Yours always informative and helpful
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 1:43 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

Is it just with your computer screens or is the world in general?<

LOL, depends upon what I’m looking at and when, and what molecules are
streaming through my system I suppose Kirk.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

Is it just with your computer screens or is the world in general? Who
knows,
perhaps Ibogaine cracks open the Third Eye a little??? I’m already
wondering
about it’s ability to clear out the chakra system……leaving it open a
raw
which = insomnia?
Dunno…. just thoughts…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 6:09 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

I was sorta thinking it mighta been the  teeny bit of shrooms I ate
earlier
for the fireworks (a tradition around here if at all possible), but then
thought, no, this is happening a lot of the time, even when I take other
drugs too, so it can’t “just” be the shrooms, or the banana bread
“brownie”
I also ate, or the numerous bowls I smoked or anything like that. I was
thinking it MUST just be a technical problem I could call my friendly
neighborhood tech buddy at Dell, the one in the neighborhood of New Dehli
of

something, but now you’re telling me it’s drugs flashbacks- but I don’t
think that’s necessarily it Tink- at least not in my case all the time. I
think I should call Dell and see what they say.
;-0))
For you on the other hand, I suppose it’s possible.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

My mac does it to me too, so it must be us.  Glad you said something.
I was beginning to think I was a little bonkers.  Is it post ibo
stuff, am i permanently psychedelically altered from my birth under
the influence of LSD, or are we suffering from a particular affiction,
I od not know, but I hear ya and i feel your pain…
lots of love to you
tinkaboom
4th July Underground Bombers Association, Ogunquit, ME Branch
On 7/5/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I
personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter)
this
US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the
point
of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two
have
a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll
undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their
computer
screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things
floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and
behind
it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling,
triping
and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t
set
my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s
breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list
administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really
do
desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At
least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and
not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are
others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something
out
of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to
contact
Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 3:38:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Praying I am in the +3~~~~~~!!!
All the best, though you probably won’t read this…..
I love this lame list.   I have learnt and keep learning about Ibogaine.  If you need to know something YOU JUST ASK.   I  have learnt about heaps of other stuff, and have FINALLY found a family that I can relate to TOTALLY.
What is wrong with friendships??????????
Ok true, a lot of replies probably could be made privately……and if this is a PROBLEM to others, please say so, and I’ll glad back right off.
Won’t send hugs or love, you don’t sound like you’re into it.
Each to their own with what they do, what they use…….. they’re not the reason this stuff is illegal IT”S YOUR GOVERNMENT>
cheesh
Kirk
From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2005 4:03 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details. 

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:59:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

bye.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re:ibogaine & nightlife and charming judgements
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:58:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

abuse it.
losers.
my fault.
oh anonymous one, thanks for the words of wisdom. I’m glad you’ve piped up with your passion and common sense, not to mention wisdom and charm.
how broadening the mind using the herbs “god” put here for us to use is a complete mystery to me, when no harm is being done anyone. Where the “abusing” comes from is another complete mystery- ibogaine is a magic key to contact other realms, whether we’re lying in bed kicking, or looking for another reality view while dancing under the influence.
To insist only “serious” use only is a joke, a farce, a messed up way of looking at such a sacred plant, in my own humble view anyway. I’m certainly not recommending taking a full dose of ibogaine and going out dancing- there’s a time and a place for everything, and everything in moderation is another good saying to keep in mind. Even the judgement calls on others’ ways of living their lives and using their tools to keep sane and explore their OWN reality without others insisting it’s simply the WRONG WAY to go about it.
Sigh.
When will people learn there’s just no ONE way of ANYTHING?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Fire3456@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

Its retards like you (and you who think it was cool to do this) that will prevent Ibogaine from ever becoming available.  People need it for medicinal reasons and there will always be the simple minded losers like you that will prevent it because you abuse it.

In a message dated 7/5/2005 7:32:54 AM Central Daylight Time, captkirk@free.net.nz writes:

Well that’s very interesting ekki, so much for someones theory that it will
never be a recreational drug….
Sounded like a great night! Look forward to clubbin’ it wit cha in the
future ;o)
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 9:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and the rest
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:57:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.entheogendefencefund.org.uk/petition.php

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:33:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hmmm, moving to the flow of music sounds pretty primal & connecting with spirit, guess we’re back to the  intention & setting debate, lots of drugs have a different effect in small doses than the flood we all identify with ibogaine, I wish I got out & danced more, great sexual/ sensual release & safe! One of the best dance sessions I had was after a week retreat with gay & kathlyn hendricks workshop in the mountains exploring body centered psychotherapy, that was totally straight ,but I was the loosest Ive ever been!!,setting,setting,anyway…

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
In Africa they dance all night on iboga! In the Cameroun they’d pass it
around mixed up with water in an Evian bottle.

Nick

> —–Original Message—–
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
> Sent: 05 July 2005 10:30
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
>
>
> i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –
>
> recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
> was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
> already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
> down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
> for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
> in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
> looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
> afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
> which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.
>
> -ekki
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:00:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My first experience, as many others, were not for entertainment but, as an
experiment to observe effects of drugs and of course of myself on drugs.
Experimentation as a process was fun for me.<

Hi Howard,
I would write, “oh, sorry, my mistake,” but you went on to the rest of this paragraph, and pretty much put into words my own feelings about what constitutes “fun” and what I was thinking when I called what you were doing “fun.” I was I admit thinking more along the lines of “Howard was partying if partying on his own, but still partying,” but your version rings a lot truer, and sounds much more like my own views of experimentation. Thanks for making this more clear for me and for the rest of us. A lot of us (me included) look up to you, and look to you for inspiration (at risk of sounding all nasly because my nose if up your ass I’m kissing it so hard) but seriously, you are one of those people I look up to and admire and tend to listen to when they speak up.
;-))
I also like the “art” alliteration.
;p-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

Hi Preston,

My first experience, as many others, were not for entertainment but, as an
experiment to observe effects of drugs and of course of myself on drugs.
Experimentation as a process was fun for me.  I continued to take ibogaine because
it amazed me.  What I sought in drugs was a sense of well being and an absence
of pain and when I was younger (ah to experience it again) a sense of pleasure
that was often the absence of pain and participation in dreamscapes and not
all ibogaine as there was a before ibogaine and there was an after ibogaine and
the participation in life without fear and that does not mean without an
understanding of danger.

I’m not sure I ever took a drug for fun.  Pursuing the dream of ibogaine as a
regulated drug was fun. It was purpose. It was art.

Howard

In a message dated 7/5/05 10:16:06 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

<< good for you! I LIKE reports like this- remember, Howard Lotsof’s first

experience was as an entertainment, only realizing the benefits as to his

opiate habit afterwards. First and foremost he took it for the FUN. And I

have to say that that booster was not only beneficial, it was FUN too, and

anything that’s going to take me on inner-learning voyages and make them fun

too (and I consider the heavy duty “holy shit, that’s heavy” things “fun”

too a lot of the time), more power to it and us who use it. Very small

amounts to take on a dance floor (think dancing of the native Gabonese

during the beinnings of a session) and I think you’ve got some magic going

on there Ekki.

Again, good for you and thanks for posting this. >>

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 12:43:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Fire3456@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for sharing, what is it that you contribute? 😉

It’s a list, people talk on it.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html

“In conclusion: this is a discussion list. NOT the be-all, end-all of
useful information. There are a variety of other resources available
online (see the LINKS section), covering a broad spectrum of
application; from scientific monographs, to materials which highlight
the culture of the Bwiti and the sacramental use of ibogaine. Also
accessible are a wide plethora of opinions — both informed and
uninformed, first person and secondhand — regarding the possible
efficacy of Tabernanthe iboga, in the treatment of drug-dependence.”

If you want only ibogaine info, why don’t you go read the ibogaine
sites?

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Links/index.html

One of the people you value so much, that being Howard posted a
positive response sharing his own experiences using ibogaine for
“exploration” So did Nick. That’s two people who run the two biggest
ibogaine sites not being bothered by someone tripping on ibo at a club.
Want to go 3 for 3? Patrick?

.:vector:.

— Fire3456@aol.com wrote:

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now
all I do
is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately
delete
when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare
important comments
or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s
etc…
posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar
treatment, I’d
appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am
quitting this
list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it
with
other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded
positivally.
The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine
here because
its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always
abuse
anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be
in, need a
wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on
Mindvox.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 12:24:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <Fire3456@aol.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ibogaine has been banned in the US and a few other countries because, as I understand it, there was a carpet ban on a lot of tryptamines undertaken at this time. Since then it was banned in Denmark and nearly in the UK. About Denmark I don’t recall the reason but in the UK it was because of a death. I heard rumours a few years ago the Dutch were thinking of banning it for similar reasons, but again I don’t recall so well the exact details. Anyway, I’ve not heard of anyone suggesting that ibogaine has abuse potential or of any governments planning on banning it for such. So I don’t see any problem here. A drug that gives you ataxia at a relatively low dose threshold, I mean it doesn’t have so much abuse potential really, I figure.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Fire3456@aol.com [mailto:Fire3456@aol.com]
Sent: 05 July 2005 16:33
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

Its retards like you (and you who think it was cool to do this) that will prevent Ibogaine from ever becoming available.  People need it for medicinal reasons and there will always be the simple minded losers like you that will prevent it because you abuse it.

In a message dated 7/5/2005 7:32:54 AM Central Daylight Time, captkirk@free.net.nz writes:

Well that’s very interesting ekki, so much for someones theory that it will
never be a recreational drug….
Sounded like a great night! Look forward to clubbin’ it wit cha in the
future ;o)
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 9:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

From: Fire3456@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] This list has become lame
Date: July 5, 2005 at 12:02:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve followed this list looking for some insight, and new details.

99% of the responses and comments have been a waste of space.  Now all I do is log on and delete, without reading 99% of the threads.

The list is dominated by 3+  main annoying people (who I immediately delete when I see any post from them) that only clutter up the rare important comments or responses.

Its no longer worth it.  If anyone (I value H.Lotsof and Schmooly’s etc… posts) has a sight that deals in details of Ibogaine/similar treatment, I’d appreciate an email to my personal email, not to Mindvox, as I am quitting this list.

The post about using Ibogaine as a recreational drug and combining it with other drugs shows the total ignorance of the people who responded positivally.  The same retards have a balls to whine that we can’t get ibogaine here because its illegal.  It’s illegal because of people like YOU who will always abuse anything they can get their hands on.

The common post’ers who act like Ibogaine is a “cutzie club” to be in, need a wake up call.

I’ve said my peace and have deleted my last waste of space post on Mindvox.

From: Fire3456@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:33:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Its retards like you (and you who think it was cool to do this) that will prevent Ibogaine from ever becoming available.  People need it for medicinal reasons and there will always be the simple minded losers like you that will prevent it because you abuse it.

In a message dated 7/5/2005 7:32:54 AM Central Daylight Time, captkirk@free.net.nz writes:

Well that’s very interesting ekki, so much for someones theory that it will
never be a recreational drug….
Sounded like a great night! Look forward to clubbin’ it wit cha in the
future ;o)
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 9:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 11:09:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

My first experience, as many others, were not for entertainment but, as an
experiment to observe effects of drugs and of course of myself on drugs.
Experimentation as a process was fun for me.  I continued to take ibogaine because
it amazed me.  What I sought in drugs was a sense of well being and an absence
of pain and when I was younger (ah to experience it again) a sense of pleasure
that was often the absence of pain and participation in dreamscapes and not
all ibogaine as there was a before ibogaine and there was an after ibogaine and
the participation in life without fear and that does not mean without an
understanding of danger.

I’m not sure I ever took a drug for fun.  Pursuing the dream of ibogaine as a
regulated drug was fun. It was purpose. It was art.

Howard

In a message dated 7/5/05 10:16:06 AM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

<< good for you! I LIKE reports like this- remember, Howard Lotsof’s first

experience was as an entertainment, only realizing the benefits as to his

opiate habit afterwards. First and foremost he took it for the FUN. And I

have to say that that booster was not only beneficial, it was FUN too, and

anything that’s going to take me on inner-learning voyages and make them fun

too (and I consider the heavy duty “holy shit, that’s heavy” things “fun”

too a lot of the time), more power to it and us who use it. Very small

amounts to take on a dance floor (think dancing of the native Gabonese

during the beinnings of a session) and I think you’ve got some magic going

on there Ekki.

Again, good for you and thanks for posting this. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 10:47:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In the original 1960s period, at 19, in the superlative strength of youth, I
would drop 400/500mgs, wait for the visionary period to pass (4 hours) and hit
the streets to observe with amazement the open secrets (who is who and what
is what) of our society amidst the flashes of iboga light. A wonderful way to
have a break in our world.  It is  helpful if you know what you are doing. I
went alone and in groups of like effected friends. It is amazing how much
stamina you have when young.

Howard

In a message dated 7/5/05 5:38:13 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.

was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i

already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit

down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)

for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed

in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it

looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the

afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,

which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing. >>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 10:12:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

MY thinking exactly. See Nick, if I look and think long enough, I’m sure to find common ground even with those I most disagree with- it just takes time and patience- and most of all, compassion and understanding and lack of judgement.
I’m currently watching the current METHAMPHETAMINE scare stories on C-Span, stories that sound EXACTLY like the crack scare stories of the 80s, where different communnities and politicians were COMPETEING with one another to be THE meth captial of the countyry- “I have the worst problem in my town, “”No, WE’RE the worst,” “Nuh-Uh! My community is most overrun with gang and meth violence- but thank goodness the US taxpayer is going to give us even more money to wage our war so long as we keep trumpeting these horrible dangers!”
I’m not in the slightest bit making light of the dangers of methamphetamine abuse- but once again, prohibition is only making the problem worse, as always.
Egad!
Anyway, nice to hear such positive words from you Nick, and hope you’re doing well.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

In Africa they dance all night on iboga! In the Cameroun they’d pass it
around mixed up with water in an Evian bottle.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 05 July 2005 10:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Trimipramin / Stangyl
Date: July 5, 2005 at 9:48:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki & all! Sounds like a similar name to imipramine which is a tricyclic antidepressant, an old fashioned one before they came up with the SSRI’s and all that,I do know meds have different names over there in europe land.Your club stuff sounds pretty cool,love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
anyone got experience with this stuff? it´s an anxiolytic sedative -ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 9:47:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

good for you! I LIKE reports like this- remember, Howard Lotsof’s first experience was as an entertainment, only realizing the benefits as to his opiate habit afterwards. First and foremost he took it for the FUN. And I have to say that that booster was not only beneficial, it was FUN too, and anything that’s going to take me on inner-learning voyages and make them fun too (and I consider the heavy duty “holy shit, that’s heavy” things “fun” too a lot of the time), more power to it and us who use it. Very small amounts to take on a dance floor (think dancing of the native Gabonese during the beinnings of a session) and I think you’ve got some magic going on there Ekki.
Again, good for you and thanks for posting this.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:29 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 9:43:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Is it just with your computer screens or is the world in general?<

LOL, depends upon what I’m looking at and when, and what molecules are streaming through my system I suppose Kirk.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

Is it just with your computer screens or is the world in general? Who knows,
perhaps Ibogaine cracks open the Third Eye a little??? I’m already wondering
about it’s ability to clear out the chakra system……leaving it open a raw
which = insomnia?
Dunno…. just thoughts…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 6:09 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

I was sorta thinking it mighta been the  teeny bit of shrooms I ate earlier
for the fireworks (a tradition around here if at all possible), but then
thought, no, this is happening a lot of the time, even when I take other
drugs too, so it can’t “just” be the shrooms, or the banana bread “brownie”
I also ate, or the numerous bowls I smoked or anything like that. I was
thinking it MUST just be a technical problem I could call my friendly
neighborhood tech buddy at Dell, the one in the neighborhood of New Dehli of

something, but now you’re telling me it’s drugs flashbacks- but I don’t
think that’s necessarily it Tink- at least not in my case all the time. I
think I should call Dell and see what they say.
;-0))
For you on the other hand, I suppose it’s possible.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

My mac does it to me too, so it must be us.  Glad you said something.
I was beginning to think I was a little bonkers.  Is it post ibo
stuff, am i permanently psychedelically altered from my birth under
the influence of LSD, or are we suffering from a particular affiction,
I od not know, but I hear ya and i feel your pain…
lots of love to you
tinkaboom
4th July Underground Bombers Association, Ogunquit, ME Branch
On 7/5/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I
personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter)
this
US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point
of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two
have
a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll
undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their
computer
screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things
floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind
it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling,
triping
and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set
my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s
breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list
administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really
do
desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At
least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and
not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are
others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something
out
of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to
contact
Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 9:35:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In Africa they dance all night on iboga! In the Cameroun they’d pass it
around mixed up with water in an Evian bottle.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 05 July 2005 10:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: CoyDogsRock@webtv.net (SKALD VANASATRU)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 9:08:31 AM EDT
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,  M  says it’s the cats moving the door to your alternate
reality. They can walk thru a spell circle wihout harm or spell
diruption so goin’ thru your reality means nuthin to them. They just
wanted to see what you see.

~Design by Liandre~

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 8:31:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well that’s very interesting ekki, so much for someones theory that it will
never be a recreational drug….
Sounded like a great night! Look forward to clubbin’ it wit cha in the
future ;o)
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 9:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno.
was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i
already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit
down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed)
for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed
in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it
looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the
afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative,
which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine & nightlife
Date: July 5, 2005 at 5:29:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i know this will piss some people off – sorry! –

recently took a little iboga and went out dancing to minimal techno. was real fun. took only a little but enough to feel it significantly. i already knew by experience it makes the music more intense. had to sit down a few times to regenerate. could have had drinks & lines(speed) for free but of course didn´t feel like it but had a few puffs of weed in the morning and that was psychedelic and when i closed my eyes it looked like dave hunter´s ibogaine-inspired art in motion. at the afterhour party i felt surprisingly clear and was quite talkative, which is unusual for me when i´m stoned after clubbing.

-ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Trimipramin / Stangyl
Date: July 5, 2005 at 3:44:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

anyone got experience with this stuff? it´s an anxiolytic sedative -ekki

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From: stowe01@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Has this happened to anyone else post ibogaine?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 3:38:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tink,
Trying to get removed fom the list. you eem nice will you give me some info

————– Original message ————–

> The biggest problem I’ve had as of late has been the increase of pain
> in my ankles, wrists, knees and elbows. Well, that and i can’t sleep
> to save my life for longer than two hours, but that’s to be expected.
> This joint pain is unreal, and not going away. I almost fell flat on
> my face going down some stair when my ankle just gave out on my left
> side. I’m having a hard time lifting anything, and typing is
> torturous.
> Any suggestions greatly appreciated…
> love to all
> tink
>
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 3:01:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Is it just with your computer screens or is the world in general? Who knows,
perhaps Ibogaine cracks open the Third Eye a little??? I’m already wondering
about it’s ability to clear out the chakra system……leaving it open a raw
which = insomnia?
Dunno…. just thoughts…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 6:09 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

I was sorta thinking it mighta been the  teeny bit of shrooms I ate earlier
for the fireworks (a tradition around here if at all possible), but then
thought, no, this is happening a lot of the time, even when I take other
drugs too, so it can’t “just” be the shrooms, or the banana bread “brownie”
I also ate, or the numerous bowls I smoked or anything like that. I was
thinking it MUST just be a technical problem I could call my friendly
neighborhood tech buddy at Dell, the one in the neighborhood of New Dehli of

something, but now you’re telling me it’s drugs flashbacks- but I don’t
think that’s necessarily it Tink- at least not in my case all the time. I
think I should call Dell and see what they say.
;-0))
For you on the other hand, I suppose it’s possible.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

My mac does it to me too, so it must be us.  Glad you said something.
I was beginning to think I was a little bonkers.  Is it post ibo
stuff, am i permanently psychedelically altered from my birth under
the influence of LSD, or are we suffering from a particular affiction,
I od not know, but I hear ya and i feel your pain…
lots of love to you
tinkaboom
4th July Underground Bombers Association, Ogunquit, ME Branch
On 7/5/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I
personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter)
this
US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point
of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two
have
a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll
undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their
computer
screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things
floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind
it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling,
triping
and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set
my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s
breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list
administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really
do
desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At
least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and
not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are
others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something
out
of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to
contact
Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 2:57:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh, well, if she is with the Feds, then I would suggest she go back to
“Infiltrating the Underground” training 101 cos their methods leave a lot to
be desired!! Lol
And also, no offence, and all the best with it as well.
Love heaps
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 5:39 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Well, this person does say she already has the product so actual
“transportation” shouldn’t be an issue, but still, were someone to arrive
with scale in hand ready to help her weigh it out and she turned out not to
be who she’s claimed, it would not be good for the person who showed up
ready and willing to help her engage in a serious felony.
I’m sure the feds could find all sorts of charges to stick on someone in
that position.
And please, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER, only
that it’s certainly not a very safe way of going about this.
Good luck to you in your endevour and wish I could help.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my
bad
;o)
Love always
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive at
her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck,
and
to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s too
bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it is,
and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke
at
all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no way
to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)

c^c

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 2:34:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Phil Smith on my DrugWar.com email list wrote a few choice for me to ponder, to help to try and solve my computer screen dilemma, if you will, and here are his choices for me.

1. Too much time in front of the screen.<

I spend “a lot” of time, not “too much” in front of my screen Phil. What, you trying to tell me something? If anything I think I need to spend even MORE time in front of my screen, so let’s hope we can confidently scratch that one.

2. You need to get your eyes checked.>

I have no health insurance, but come to think of it many places to offer “free” eye emainations, so I guess I could scam myself up a cheap or even free exam, but somehow Phil, again, I don’t think that’s exactly the issue. And, it’s not really a “need” to get my eyes examines, it’s more I think learning, or continuing to practice using my eyes when they are altered. (see choice #3 for more on this.)

3. Or you’re beginning to enter an alternate reality.<

“Beginning”? LOLOLOL!!! Phil, you make me laugh and I love you! I’m not “beginning” to enter an alternate reality, my entire reality is alternate if I stop to think about it, and I try not to stop and think about it very often, more just go with the flow of things- as I imagine you can relate to from meeting and correspeonding with you over the years. But all this said, I bet you’re still on to something here with choice number 3, and I should think more about this before calling the Dell guy. He might just think I’m nuts and hand me to the “guy who handles the nutjobs who call Dell with weird unfixable problems” guy or gal, and that will just waste my time- so let me think about this and get back to you. I suspect that while you’ve slightly missed the mark, you’re on the right track.
BTW, has anyone else seen this show Dog the Bounty Hunter? Holy Shit! What in the hell is THAT for tv entertainment and where did his ENTIRE FAMILY get those freaked out haircuts (believe me, I do NOT often laugh at, scoff about, tease over, rag on, point because of, etc, someone else’s clothing/style due to being someone who have exactly zero place to be pointing out someone else in judgemental fashion for choice of clothing, but still, in this ONE case, I think I have something to this), and most worstest of all, who the frick decided this show should be on the air? It’s the worst ever! It sucks, and it’s scary and they are the most horrific example of humanity ever! I cannot believe they are real “bounty hunters” looking like they do, and what with all the cameras now that they actually can do much of a real job “bounty hunting.” They’re a cheap-ass bail-bond outfit that chases down those who skip out on their bail costing them money- that’s it. There’s no real “justice” happening here, and all the malarky that Dog cat talks when he’s got folk in cuffs about how they need to change their lives and find god and stop hurting their mommies and etc, etc, etc, egad. Anyway, just though of that due to a commercial behind me on the third-eye painter, and wanted to mention it.
I’m off to lay in bed in the dark watching my screen do it’s stuff.
;-))
Night all.

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Phil Smith” <psmith@drcnet.org>
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [DrugWar] blurry screens and serious questions

1. Too much time in front of the screen.
2. You need to get your eyes checked.
3. Or you’re beginning to enter an alternate reality.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>; <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:30 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] blurry screens and serious questions

Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter) this US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two have a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their computer screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling, triping and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really do desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something out of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to contact Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 2:08:37 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was sorta thinking it mighta been the  teeny bit of shrooms I ate earlier for the fireworks (a tradition around here if at all possible), but then thought, no, this is happening a lot of the time, even when I take other drugs too, so it can’t “just” be the shrooms, or the banana bread “brownie” I also ate, or the numerous bowls I smoked or anything like that. I was thinking it MUST just be a technical problem I could call my friendly neighborhood tech buddy at Dell, the one in the neighborhood of New Dehli of something, but now you’re telling me it’s drugs flashbacks- but I don’t think that’s necessarily it Tink- at least not in my case all the time. I think I should call Dell and see what they say.
;-0))
For you on the other hand, I suppose it’s possible.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions

My mac does it to me too, so it must be us.  Glad you said something.
I was beginning to think I was a little bonkers.  Is it post ibo
stuff, am i permanently psychedelically altered from my birth under
the influence of LSD, or are we suffering from a particular affiction,
I od not know, but I hear ya and i feel your pain…
lots of love to you
tinkaboom
4th July Underground Bombers Association, Ogunquit, ME Branch
On 7/5/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I
personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter) this
US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point
of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two have
a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll
undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their computer
screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things
floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind
it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling, triping
and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set
my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s
breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list
administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really do
desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At
least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and
not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are
others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something out
of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to contact
Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 5, 2005 at 2:02:23 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would think a steady supply of decent sized boosters handy for those once a month relapses would be a very good idea and something to look into- in my own layman’s opinion. The one smal;l booster I had was very helpful for a short time, and now I wish I had more, and do wish that one had been slightly bigger. But I don’t know how big would be the utmostly useful.
But useful they would be if you can get them, and as they aren’t illegal where you are, order some today.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga

Thanks for the responses.. Does not seem to be a whole lot of info out there.

Randy, when you say “broken the addiction”, do you mean the physical addiction? Or the psychological aspects of it? I am asking the questions in reference to Mandy, who is currently not physically addicted to opiates or amphetamines. She broke the physical addiction with bupe, but has had trouble with cravings and so far this year has lapsed about once a month. As people have used small doses as boosters to fight the cravings after their treatment I am asking in that kind of context – a person not addicted, but still fighting cravings.

Btw, Ibogaine is not illegal in Australia. It is illegal to import, but apparently not illegal
to possess or grow – yet. The general understanding is that it will become illegal sooner or later.

Atm voacanga seed powder is available. Any kind of Tabernanthe Iboga plant part or extract is harder to come by.
So we are wondering if the voacanga seed powder would help. I’ll report on that in a little while.

It is Mandy that is doing the amino acid therapy atm (I think Kirsty asked, I’ll report more on that later too), has been for about a month. It DOES seem to be helping in reducing the cravings.
Going to observe it over a few more weeks.

Regarding the Voacanga, here’s some reports from an Australian forum:
http://www.shaman-australis.com.au/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002167#000000

“Q: how many grams of powder would one considera trippy dose this would all be done ina a state of dream of course
A: it’s not really trippy. more like a non-amphetamine like stimulant. Half a teaspoon or more will keep you awake and maybe slightly altered for quite a few hours. Dosage seems to vary widely with individuals.”

“bogaine is a stimulant in low doses and a hallucinogen in high doses. You would not want to take high dose voacanga.
I was talking about seed powder. root powder is better.
keep in mind both are prohibited import in oz.”

“The tiny percentage of ibo in the seeds is not enough to keep them out of the USA.
7 grams has been reported to be an adequate dose for voyaging, but just chewing 4-6 seeds will put a smile in your heart and a smile on your face.
It has been reported that the seeds are nicely smokable when crushed and put into a pipe.
The root bark acetone 12.5:1 produces a tryptaminic alert and smells of scatol when pyrolized.
An a/b of the root bark produced by a student showed promise, but not enough was produced in the experimental first attempt to fully determine strength or dosage as caution was used until a dose likely to be large enough to have produced extreme effects (possibly 60-100mg at one dosing) was no longer available.”

“Myself and my partner tried half a teaspoon of seed powder last night before going to a late night out, and were blown away.

We noticed effects very soon after drinking it in water. We were both overwhelmed in the cab on the way out, as the guy was telling us a long-winded story. It was very much like a rush on mdma, where you sre confined in a space and you feel mildly sick, and crave fresh air….. I am very sensitive to caffeine, and very rarely take speed etc but this gave both of us a great rush for a couple of hours, and then residual alertness with no jitters at all for another few hours.

Does anyone else have any feedback on this?

We had also had a beer, a small smoke & a tiny bit of the not hash…. ”

“took 1/2 teaspoon about two hours ago of voacana seed powder.

got a slight rush and a little excitement an hour into it. now im starting to feel sleepy.

will up the doseage on the weekend and see how i go.

ok so its about 4 1/2 hours after taking a spoonful, and im pretty tired.

it reminds me of a really small line of base speed. same kind of rush, and same length of time in me. i.e. a few minutes rushing (not overpowering) followed by a couple of hours thinking ‘so, am i still up or what?’

it made me want to smoke lots of ciggies too. now i have a headache.”

“I hate to digress, but back to Voacanga seeds:
If the powdered seeds have been sitting around for a while they may have lost some of their potency.
All of the experiments I have conducted and those I am aware of from other sources used whole seeds or tinctures made from whole seeds.
Recently, I became aware of information suggesting that usage of the root bark of V. africana is practiced in Africa and am investigating this avenue via smokable extracts.
I have a tincture in progress for oral bioassays.
I drank 7 ml of Voacanga africana seed tincture yesterday just to check it out again, and the rush was definitely much fuller than one would get from speed and I felt mildly entheogenicized most of the day, in line with other experiences when I couldn’t relax and let go into the space provided by the seeds.
I can’t say it wired me at all; nothing like that.
It’s more comparable to the rush when insufflating Sceletium, having an empathogenic quality as well as a stimulatory one.”

—- HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
That anonymous fellow just keeps forwarding me new stories. Here is what he
wrote this time:

“Yesterday, after reading all information I could find on the use of V.
africana, I decided to try it for myself, having recently come into possession of a
small amount.

About 80 seeds were ground and capsulated, resulting in 7 pills. No smell was
noticed. I read that the Ibogoid-type alkaloids present in the seeds can act
as CNS depressants so I avoided any GHB (better safe than sorry).
More on voacanga.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6064

At about 4:00 I took the pills. No effect was noticed until about 2 hours
later, which was manifested as a quite subtle stimulated, euphoric feeling. The
feeling was quite mild and about 3 hours after that, I felt unusually tired and
took a 2-hour nap. (I had a rather unpleasant dream, I should add, although I
don’t know if this is attributable to the V. africana or not). No nausea was
experienced from ingestion of the material.

I woke up feeling pretty much “normal”. This experiment did little to peak my
interest in this plant, I don’t think I’ll be going out of my way to try it
again any time soon. Not very interesting.”

Brain Res Bull. 1997;44(5):603-10.

Ibogaine and a total alkaloidal extract of Voacanga africana modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the rat parabrachial nucleus in
vitro.

Kombian SB, Saleh TM, Fiagbe NI, Chen X, Akabutu JJ, Buolamwini JK, Pittman QJ
.

NRG, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Canada.
kombian@acs.ucalgary.ca

Ibogaine is a natural alkaloid of Voacanga africana that is effective in the
treatment of withdrawal symptoms and craving in drug addicts. As the synaptic
and cellular basis of ibogaine’s actions are not well understood, this study
tested the hypothesis that ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the parabrachial nucleus using
the nystatin perforated patch-recording technique. Ibogaine and Voacanga
africana extract dose dependently, reversibly, and consistently attenuate evoked
excitatory synaptic currents recorded in parabrachial neurons. The ED50 of
ibogaine’s effect is 5 microM, while that of Voacanga africana extract is 170
micrograms/ml. At higher concentrations, ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract
induce inward currents or depolarization that are accompanied by increases in
evoked and spontaneous firing rate. The depolarization or inward current is also
accompanied by an increase in input resistance and reverses polarity around 0
mV. The depolarization and synaptic depression were blocked by the dopamine
receptor antagonist haloperidol. These results indicate that ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract 1) depolarize parabrachial neurons with increased
excitability and firing rate; 2) depress non-NMDA receptor-mediated fast synaptic
transmission; 3) involve dopamine receptor activation in their actions. These
results further reveal that the Voacanga africana extract has one-hundredth the
activity of ibogaine in depressing synaptic responses. Thus, ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract may produce their central effects by altering dopaminergic
and glutamatergic processes.

In a message dated 7/4/05 8:09:11 PM, slowone@hush.ai writes:

<< Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
>Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
>you have
>broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

>have the big
>one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
>conclusion
>that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
>Ibogaine effect.
>As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

>No set dose.
>It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
>someone
>probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
>of Vocanga on the
>net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
>think it is a
>viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
>Randy >>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Request: who is still using brown methadone “syrup”? REPLIES!
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:52:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Regardless of one’s opinoin about Dr. Byrne’s attitude towards ibogaine, there’s still a LOT of useful info coming out of his emailings, so I’m forwarding them on to you, because so many of you have experience with methadone in some form of other(s- sometimes many others apparently).
So here, for information’s sake.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: Request: who is still using brown methadone “syrup”? REPLIES!

Dear Colleagues,

As a follow up to my posting on this subject . I received over 20 replies, some very detailed, for which I thank respondents.

Some interesting findings:

I was told by a senior pharmacist that the “sugar-free” syrup also contains ‘caramel’ – which is burnt sugar, meaning that it is NOT sugar-free at all!

Some thought the Biodone ‘solution’ was more expensive but my information is that both are the same price . and this is covered by the NHS in all pharmacy and clinic settings (but not in the NSW prison system where only Biodone is now used).

Some pharmacies are offering a choice but many only offer syrup.  A few clinics offer choice but most offer either one or the other.  Some complained that to have both made for ‘double the work’.  Some think that pumps were designed for the syrup (no evidence given).

Two established Sydney clinics took a vote of their patients after informing them of the properties of the newer liquid.  Both achieved a majority and a date was chosen for the entire clinic to change product.  A small number who could not tolerate the Biodone were referred to other clinics or pharmacies to continue syrup treatment.  Note that most NSW public clinics allow NO regular take-away doses at all, so injecting was not considered an issue. No other respondent reported any problem with injecting either syrup or Biodone.

Some have reported the need for slight dose increase when changing to Biodone.  This may be due to more rapid absorption and thus a slightly shorter duration of action, perceived as inadequate doses in sensitive patients.

This list of additives (apart from methadone hydrochloride and water) was sent from a large Victorian clinic, reprinted from their pharmacy:

Methadone (GSK) syrup
·          sodium benzoate (preservative)
·          ethanol (4.75%)
·          sorbitol
·          glycerol
·          caramel
·          amber colouring

Biodone Forte (solution – Biomed Ltd)
·          permicol red (colouring agent – diluted form of amaranth)

Other interesting replies:

Brisbane – large central clinic gives choice to patients but most choose syrup to date.
Cairns usually uses syrup but will allow Biodone on request.
Nambour starts all new patients on Biodone but give choice.
Melbourne – Both public clinics use Biodone.  Most is dispensed in pharmacies ?as syrup.
Sydney – some private and public clinics offer choice, many still using only syrup.  Two biggest, oldest clinics changed to Biodone ?3 years ago after a poll of patients.
Blue Mountains offer choice of both syrup and pure methadone.
Southern Highlands pharmacies mostly use Biodone after decision of local Area Health Service.
By contrast, the South Coast and Illawarra of NSW offer mostly ONLY syrup.
Gosford Hospital clinics offer Biodone but most Central Coast pharmacies only offer syrup.
Estimate of NSW pharmacy inspector is that about 25% offer Biodone but 95% of patients in community pharmacy still receive syrup.
NSW jails reportedly only use Biodone.
Canberra public clinic uses Biodone and some ACT pharmacies offer both products.

No responses to date from SA, WA, Tassie or NT.

Posted by Andrew Byrne ..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Author of: “Addict in the Family” http://www.csdp.org/addict/

My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 5, 2005 at 1:39:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, this person does say she already has the product so actual “transportation” shouldn’t be an issue, but still, were someone to arrive with scale in hand ready to help her weigh it out and she turned out not to be who she’s claimed, it would not be good for the person who showed up ready and willing to help her engage in a serious felony.
I’m sure the feds could find all sorts of charges to stick on someone in that position.
And please, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO OFFENSE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER, only that it’s certainly not a very safe way of going about this.
Good luck to you in your endevour and wish I could help.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my bad
;o)
Love always
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive at
her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck, and
to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s too
bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it is,
and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke at
all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no way
to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 12:36:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My mac does it to me too, so it must be us.  Glad you said something.
I was beginning to think I was a little bonkers.  Is it post ibo
stuff, am i permanently psychedelically altered from my birth under
the influence of LSD, or are we suffering from a particular affiction,
I od not know, but I hear ya and i feel your pain…
lots of love to you
tinkaboom
4th July Underground Bombers Association, Ogunquit, ME Branch
On 7/5/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I
personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter)  this
US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point
of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two have
a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll
undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their computer
screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things
floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind
it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling, triping
and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set
my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s
breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list
administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really do
desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At
least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and
not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are
others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something out
of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to contact
Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

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mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] blurry screens and serious questions
Date: July 5, 2005 at 12:30:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all, and happy fourth to those of your celebrating those things I personally think could make (and even occasionally do for that matter)  this US of A a great place to live and play and etc, etc….but on to the point of this email so late in the day with cats swarming my lap (one or two have a way of doing so when I’m in this place of perception, as you’ll undeerstand what I mean in a minute).
I have a serious question:

Is it just me, or are others having trouble with the focus of their computer screens, with all these weird out of focus issues, odd meandering things floating by not only in and on the computer screen but in front and behind it as well, then there’s those funny issues of paragraphs doubling, triping and even occassionaly quadrupling, some stragne colors I know I didn’t set my screen for sometimes fly past, and the darn thing looks like it’s breathing sometimes.
Is this a technical problem, something I can take up with the list administrator, or am I simply screwed and need a new approach if I really do desire to change things-which obviously ain’t always the case, right? At least, partciularly not in this case anyway, all other issues besides and not being dicussed here no matter how Freudian it appears. I mean, are others having trouble with their computer screens looking like something out of a Dali painting at times, or is it just my computer and I need to contact Dell?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 4, 2005 at 10:38:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the responses.. Does not seem to be a whole lot of info out there.

Randy, when you say “broken the addiction”, do you mean the physical addiction? Or the psychological aspects of it? I am asking the questions in reference to Mandy, who is currently not physically addicted to opiates or amphetamines. She broke the physical addiction with bupe, but has had trouble with cravings and so far this year has lapsed about once a month. As people have used small doses as boosters to fight the cravings after their treatment I am asking in that kind of context – a person not addicted, but still fighting cravings.

Btw, Ibogaine is not illegal in Australia. It is illegal to import, but apparently not illegal
to possess or grow – yet. The general understanding is that it will become illegal sooner or later.

Atm voacanga seed powder is available. Any kind of Tabernanthe Iboga plant part or extract is harder to come by.
So we are wondering if the voacanga seed powder would help. I’ll report on that in a little while.

It is Mandy that is doing the amino acid therapy atm (I think Kirsty asked, I’ll report more on that later too), has been for about a month. It DOES seem to be helping in reducing the cravings.
Going to observe it over a few more weeks.

Regarding the Voacanga, here’s some reports from an Australian forum:
http://www.shaman-australis.com.au/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002167#000000

“Q: how many grams of powder would one considera trippy dose this would all be done ina a state of dream of course
A: it’s not really trippy. more like a non-amphetamine like stimulant. Half a teaspoon or more will keep you awake and maybe slightly altered for quite a few hours. Dosage seems to vary widely with individuals.”

“bogaine is a stimulant in low doses and a hallucinogen in high doses. You would not want to take high dose voacanga.
I was talking about seed powder. root powder is better.
keep in mind both are prohibited import in oz.”

“The tiny percentage of ibo in the seeds is not enough to keep them out of the USA.
7 grams has been reported to be an adequate dose for voyaging, but just chewing 4-6 seeds will put a smile in your heart and a smile on your face.
It has been reported that the seeds are nicely smokable when crushed and put into a pipe.
The root bark acetone 12.5:1 produces a tryptaminic alert and smells of scatol when pyrolized.
An a/b of the root bark produced by a student showed promise, but not enough was produced in the experimental first attempt to fully determine strength or dosage as caution was used until a dose likely to be large enough to have produced extreme effects (possibly 60-100mg at one dosing) was no longer available.”

“Myself and my partner tried half a teaspoon of seed powder last night before going to a late night out, and were blown away.

We noticed effects very soon after drinking it in water. We were both overwhelmed in the cab on the way out, as the guy was telling us a long-winded story. It was very much like a rush on mdma, where you sre confined in a space and you feel mildly sick, and crave fresh air….. I am very sensitive to caffeine, and very rarely take speed etc but this gave both of us a great rush for a couple of hours, and then residual alertness with no jitters at all for another few hours.

Does anyone else have any feedback on this?

We had also had a beer, a small smoke & a tiny bit of the not hash…. ”

“took 1/2 teaspoon about two hours ago of voacana seed powder.

got a slight rush and a little excitement an hour into it. now im starting to feel sleepy.

will up the doseage on the weekend and see how i go.

ok so its about 4 1/2 hours after taking a spoonful, and im pretty tired.

it reminds me of a really small line of base speed. same kind of rush, and same length of time in me. i.e. a few minutes rushing (not overpowering) followed by a couple of hours thinking ‘so, am i still up or what?’

it made me want to smoke lots of ciggies too. now i have a headache.”

“I hate to digress, but back to Voacanga seeds:
If the powdered seeds have been sitting around for a while they may have lost some of their potency.
All of the experiments I have conducted and those I am aware of from other sources used whole seeds or tinctures made from whole seeds.
Recently, I became aware of information suggesting that usage of the root bark of V. africana is practiced in Africa and am investigating this avenue via smokable extracts.
I have a tincture in progress for oral bioassays.
I drank 7 ml of Voacanga africana seed tincture yesterday just to check it out again, and the rush was definitely much fuller than one would get from speed and I felt mildly entheogenicized most of the day, in line with other experiences when I couldn’t relax and let go into the space provided by the seeds.
I can’t say it wired me at all; nothing like that.
It’s more comparable to the rush when insufflating Sceletium, having an empathogenic quality as well as a stimulatory one.”

—- HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
That anonymous fellow just keeps forwarding me new stories. Here is what he
wrote this time:

“Yesterday, after reading all information I could find on the use of V.
africana, I decided to try it for myself, having recently come into possession of a
small amount.

About 80 seeds were ground and capsulated, resulting in 7 pills. No smell was
noticed. I read that the Ibogoid-type alkaloids present in the seeds can act
as CNS depressants so I avoided any GHB (better safe than sorry).
More on voacanga.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6064

At about 4:00 I took the pills. No effect was noticed until about 2 hours
later, which was manifested as a quite subtle stimulated, euphoric feeling. The
feeling was quite mild and about 3 hours after that, I felt unusually tired and
took a 2-hour nap. (I had a rather unpleasant dream, I should add, although I
don’t know if this is attributable to the V. africana or not). No nausea was
experienced from ingestion of the material.

I woke up feeling pretty much “normal”. This experiment did little to peak my
interest in this plant, I don’t think I’ll be going out of my way to try it
again any time soon. Not very interesting.”

Brain Res Bull. 1997;44(5):603-10.

Ibogaine and a total alkaloidal extract of Voacanga africana modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the rat parabrachial nucleus in
vitro.

Kombian SB, Saleh TM, Fiagbe NI, Chen X, Akabutu JJ, Buolamwini JK, Pittman QJ
.

NRG, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Canada.
kombian@acs.ucalgary.ca

Ibogaine is a natural alkaloid of Voacanga africana that is effective in the
treatment of withdrawal symptoms and craving in drug addicts. As the synaptic
and cellular basis of ibogaine’s actions are not well understood, this study
tested the hypothesis that ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the parabrachial nucleus using
the nystatin perforated patch-recording technique. Ibogaine and Voacanga
africana extract dose dependently, reversibly, and consistently attenuate evoked
excitatory synaptic currents recorded in parabrachial neurons. The ED50 of
ibogaine’s effect is 5 microM, while that of Voacanga africana extract is 170
micrograms/ml. At higher concentrations, ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract
induce inward currents or depolarization that are accompanied by increases in
evoked and spontaneous firing rate. The depolarization or inward current is also
accompanied by an increase in input resistance and reverses polarity around 0
mV. The depolarization and synaptic depression were blocked by the dopamine
receptor antagonist haloperidol. These results indicate that ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract 1) depolarize parabrachial neurons with increased
excitability and firing rate; 2) depress non-NMDA receptor-mediated fast synaptic
transmission; 3) involve dopamine receptor activation in their actions. These
results further reveal that the Voacanga africana extract has one-hundredth the
activity of ibogaine in depressing synaptic responses. Thus, ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract may produce their central effects by altering dopaminergic
and glutamatergic processes.

In a message dated 7/4/05 8:09:11 PM, slowone@hush.ai writes:

<< Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
you have
broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

have the big
one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
conclusion
that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
Ibogaine effect.
As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

No set dose.
It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
someone
probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
of Vocanga on the
net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
think it is a
viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
Randy >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 4, 2005 at 9:04:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That anonymous fellow just keeps forwarding me new stories. Here is what he
wrote this time:

“Yesterday, after reading all information I could find on the use of V.
africana, I decided to try it for myself, having recently come into possession of a
small amount.

About 80 seeds were ground and capsulated, resulting in 7 pills. No smell was
noticed. I read that the Ibogoid-type alkaloids present in the seeds can act
as CNS depressants so I avoided any GHB (better safe than sorry).
More on voacanga.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=6064

At about 4:00 I took the pills. No effect was noticed until about 2 hours
later, which was manifested as a quite subtle stimulated, euphoric feeling. The
feeling was quite mild and about 3 hours after that, I felt unusually tired and
took a 2-hour nap. (I had a rather unpleasant dream, I should add, although I
don’t know if this is attributable to the V. africana or not). No nausea was
experienced from ingestion of the material.

I woke up feeling pretty much “normal”. This experiment did little to peak my
interest in this plant, I don’t think I’ll be going out of my way to try it
again any time soon. Not very interesting.”

Brain Res Bull. 1997;44(5):603-10.

Ibogaine and a total alkaloidal extract of Voacanga africana modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the rat parabrachial nucleus in
vitro.

Kombian SB, Saleh TM, Fiagbe NI, Chen X, Akabutu JJ, Buolamwini JK, Pittman QJ
.

NRG, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Canada.
kombian@acs.ucalgary.ca

Ibogaine is a natural alkaloid of Voacanga africana that is effective in the
treatment of withdrawal symptoms and craving in drug addicts. As the synaptic
and cellular basis of ibogaine’s actions are not well understood, this study
tested the hypothesis that ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract modulate
neuronal excitability and synaptic transmission in the parabrachial nucleus using
the nystatin perforated patch-recording technique. Ibogaine and Voacanga
africana extract dose dependently, reversibly, and consistently attenuate evoked
excitatory synaptic currents recorded in parabrachial neurons. The ED50 of
ibogaine’s effect is 5 microM, while that of Voacanga africana extract is 170
micrograms/ml. At higher concentrations, ibogaine and Voacanga africana extract
induce inward currents or depolarization that are accompanied by increases in
evoked and spontaneous firing rate. The depolarization or inward current is also
accompanied by an increase in input resistance and reverses polarity around 0
mV. The depolarization and synaptic depression were blocked by the dopamine
receptor antagonist haloperidol. These results indicate that ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract 1) depolarize parabrachial neurons with increased
excitability and firing rate; 2) depress non-NMDA receptor-mediated fast synaptic
transmission; 3) involve dopamine receptor activation in their actions. These
results further reveal that the Voacanga africana extract has one-hundredth the
activity of ibogaine in depressing synaptic responses. Thus, ibogaine and
Voacanga africana extract may produce their central effects by altering dopaminergic
and glutamatergic processes.

In a message dated 7/4/05 8:09:11 PM, slowone@hush.ai writes:

<< Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
you have
broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

have the big
one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
conclusion
that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
Ibogaine effect.
As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

No set dose.
It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
someone
probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
of Vocanga on the
net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
think it is a
viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
Randy >>

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] way ot (everyone hum “stars and stripes forever” here)
Date: July 4, 2005 at 8:21:09 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh, luv it l’il miss TINKERBOOM!!  So yeh Happy Impydanderday (feeling
dyslexic at the moment….juss woked up)
But anyway, fourth was yesterday, sighhh you people are soooo like,
yesturday’s news mannnn.
;o)
Lufff to all
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] way ot (everyone hum “stars and stripes forever” here)

As the sun goes down over Ogunquit Beach, and the weary sunburnt
children shuffle next to cranky sunburnt parents toward their
over-priced hotels, and even more extravagantly priced lobsters, I
can’t help but get a certain nostalgic wave.  The sun setting means
darkness, and darkness means that I get to BLOW SHIT UP with my father
for the next few hours.
Gawd bless NH and their legal fireworks!! Gawd bless Dad’s stash of
not-so-legal fireworks!!  And gawd bless the fact that I’m not sick or
too high to enjoy it all!!
Happy Visit a Neighboring State and Drink Excessively and Drive Day!!
Happy Blow Up Your Obnoxious Next Door Neighbor’s Mailbox Day!! Happy
Traumatized House Pets Day!!!
and bwiti love to all!!
tinkaboom

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:36:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s a voacanga report from 2000:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2178

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:12:45 -0700 BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until
you have
broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first

have the big
one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in
conclusion
that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the
Ibogaine effect.
As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take.

No set dose.
It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here,
someone
probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract
of Vocanga on the
net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t
think it is a
viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.
Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] way ot (everyone hum “stars and stripes forever” here)
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:09:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As the sun goes down over Ogunquit Beach, and the weary sunburnt
children shuffle next to cranky sunburnt parents toward their
over-priced hotels, and even more extravagantly priced lobsters, I
can’t help but get a certain nostalgic wave.  The sun setting means
darkness, and darkness means that I get to BLOW SHIT UP with my father
for the next few hours.
Gawd bless NH and their legal fireworks!! Gawd bless Dad’s stash of
not-so-legal fireworks!!  And gawd bless the fact that I’m not sick or
too high to enjoy it all!!
Happy Visit a Neighboring State and Drink Excessively and Drive Day!!
Happy Blow Up Your Obnoxious Next Door Neighbor’s Mailbox Day!! Happy
Traumatized House Pets Day!!!
and bwiti love to all!!
tinkaboom

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Alcoholism
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:05:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know who you are but thank you for giving me something to go by. I wish this guy had put Ibogaine into the equation. (how do you spell equazion anyway) I’ve talked about this befoe but I think that Bill W would have loved Ibogaine. I think that we have only scatched the surface with what Ibogaine could do for alcoholism. Just my opinion. I aim to find out. What the fuck ever, When the powers that be finaly realize what     is up it’ll be too late. Then they will run around trying to figure out how to make some money off of this.    Randy

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift
Date: July 4, 2005 at 4:42:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Fireworks for the fourth, perhaps?
Love to you
tinkaboom

On 7/4/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The product is flash chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any
acid of your choice), and allowed to dry. The material is cut with hundreds
of times its mass of mannitol.<

Was written by someone, and I’d just like to say, I pretty much got this
part. The rest of it though, could whoever wrote that do it again but in
plainer English for those of us whose eyes don’t cross when reading things
like, “The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be fentanyl analog
compound, and allowed to react (I think around 50 C),” and “Atropine is
extracted from nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine is
oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then exhaustively methylated with
iodomethane.” Call me thick, callme under-edumecated, but this stuff flew
right by me, and were I to actually sit and try to use these “directions” to
actually create me some home made fentanyl I’d wind up blowing up my
apartment or something.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “China White” <snowflurry@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift

drone, slipstream, sharp razor, any of you from hive still out there?
mail me offlist.

On 3/9/03, Slip Stream <slipstream@hipplanet.com> wrote:

Synthesis of  the Fentanyl analog beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

by Reverand Drone342:

Alright, I’m only gonna say this once…

N-methyl-4-piperidone + methyl iodide  ===>
N,N-dimethyl-4-piperidone iodide + phenylpropanolamine, base ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenylethyl-4-piperidone + aniline, NaBH4 ===>
4-anilo-1-(beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenethyl)-piperidone +
(CH3CH2CO)2O ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

Next, you’ll want ref’s, I bet. Ho-hum. Invariably, Step 2 (the
replacement
of the quaternary amine with phenylpropanolamine) is the one you’re
wondering
about, isn’t it? I thought so.

Chem.Heterocycl.Compd.; 21; 12; 1985; 1355-1362;

You probobly want to know a little about reductive
amination of aniline with your piperidone, too.

Chem.Pharm.Bull.; 33; 5; 1985; 1826-1835;

Just to be thorough, here’s the addition of the propionyl group:

J.Heterocycl.Chem.; 26; 1989; 677-686;

The reasons for doing this are numerous. N-methyl piperidone is
unwatched,
available in big quantities, and very cheap.

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Chemistry Discourse

Topic: a gift from drone to the DEA — a little china white

Drone 342:
Get ready for some gut-pumpin’ chemical fun!

As a gift from my workin’ class worker bee
subconscious to you, the larger community, here’s a
little genie that I’ve been struggling to keep in the
bottle now for a year. “Pop”, goes the cork, and like
a little butterfly, this chemical nugget spreads its
wings for the rest of the word.

Drone’s home-made fentanyl analog!

Yep, drone has doen what was thought impossible, and
will now divulge what is thought unmentionable,
because DRONE #342 is DRONE #342, and can do that!

Folks, have you ever had a hankering for a big, juicy
ounce or two of synthetic heroin, but just thought it
impossible to allocate the necessary chemicals? Well,
your friend drone has taken out the guesswork and
managed to develope a synthetic route to a chemical
1000 or so stronger than conventional smack.
Impossible, you say? NAY, my dear worker bees.

Here’s the general overview of fentanyl synthesis.
4-piperidone is reacted with a trimethyliodo
(quaternary) salt of a phenethylamine (or any number
of aromatic ethylamines), to produce an
N-arylethylpiperidone (you can use the quaternary salt
of the piperidone with the primary substituted
arylethytlamine, if you like, too.) Anyways, this is
reacted with aniline, and reduced with NaBH4, and then
reacted with propionic anhydride to produce the
fentanyl freebase.

It turns out:

*adding an ethyl carbon bridge to the piperidine ring
will not reduce potency.

*adding an extra methyl to the phenethyl substituent
to make a phenylisopropyl makes for a strong,
long-lasting compound.

*adding a hydroxy to the alpha-carbon of the pehethyl
side chain — as seen in ephedrine — will also
increase potency.

*as I said in a previous post, propionic anhydride can
be made at home (this is the most closely watched
chemical on the DEA’s list, but this watching was
rendered obsolete by YoursTruly not too long ago.)

The Fentanyl Suite, in d(l)-major; Movement 1

(the curtain rises, our anti-hero is found quietly
sauntering through the woods, foraging for
precursors.)

Taking this into account, Atropine is extracted from
nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine
is oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then
exhaustively methylated with iodomethane.

Second Movement

Dexatrim is bought in a fiendish quantity. The PPA is
extracted and isolated as its free base. This is
combined with tropinone, to form
N-(1-hydroxy-1-phenyl)isopropyl tropinone.

(intermezzeo)

Third Movement

Aniline is combined with the aforementioned
freshly-made tropinone, and reduced with NaBH4.

Fourth Movement
(Allegro)

Propionic anhydride is made from a propionate salt
like calcium propionate by adding bromine or even
chlorine. Alternatively, propionate esters are
hydrolyzed, the acid component isolated, and combined
with acetic anhydride and allowed to reflux, with the
product being fractionally distilled.

(crescendo)

The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be
fentanyl analog compound, and allowed to react (I
think around 50 C). The product is flash
chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any
acid of your choice), and allowed to dry.

The material is cut with hundreds of times its mass of
mannitol.

Viola! China white has just been made out of
Nightshade, diet tablets, aniline, and food
preservatives. It’s all there in the literature. Ref’s
available upon request.

Are we having fun yet?

Alchemy has been attained. I’m just that good.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 3:37:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston, and sorry Sara, I missed the “transportation” bit….my bad
;o)
Love always
Kirk xxxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive at
her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck, and
to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s too
bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it is,
and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke at
all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do
things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no way
to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: National Organization for Women Endorses End to Drug War
Date: July 4, 2005 at 2:19:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 10:58 AM

Subject: National Organization for Women Endorses End to Drug War

Hello gang,

This is real progress.

Friends,

As some of you know, besides my work with SSDP, I’ve been an active,

committed member of the National Organization for Women.  If fact, I

serve on the National NOW Young Feminist Task Force.

I spent the weekend in Nashville with Deborah Small of Break the Chains,

Jean Marlowe of the Women’s Organization for National Prohibition

Reform, Angelyn Frazer of Families Against Mandatory Minimums, and Wyndi

Anderson of National Advocates for Pregnant Women.  Our objectives were

two-fold: to host a session exposing the War on Drugs as a stealth

attack on women, children, communities of color, and other traditionally

underrepresented and -served populations.  Many people assume NOW’s one

and only concern is the protection of reproductive rights, but this is

false.  NOW’s mission is to eradicate oppression in all its incarnations.

Deborah moderated an amazing session.  Most importantly, though, with

Deborah’s help, I was able to draft a resolution that the NOW Congress

voted on today.  The text of the resolution is below, but this is the

gist.  NOW adopted a resolution that opposes the War on Drugs and in its

stead supports an approach to drug use, abuse, and addiction that

fosters compassion, health, and human rights.

Plus, the resolution obligates NOW to educate its leadership and

membership about the unique impact the War on Drugs has on women though

the use of the organizations site, resources, materials, and literature,

as well as through regular legislative updates, especially on pending

drug laws and policies that impact women.  Finally, we will work with

NOW to convene an ad hoc committee to research current drug laws and

policies with a particular impact on women and develop an action plan to

be implemented locally and nationally by NOW chapters and the NOW

National Action Center.

NOW is one of the largest organizations in the country, and they have an

amazing base of activists and chapters ready to take action to end the

Drug War.  This is HUGE!  If you are unaware of the impact the War on

Drugs has on women, you must log on to the Drug War Facts site on Women:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/women.htm.

Imagine how many more people will now contact their Representatives and

Senators as a result of NOW Action Alerts on local and national drug

laws and policies.

Personally, I believe that ultimately it won’t be SSDP, DPA, or MPP that

takes down the Drug War.  What I believe is that other, broader, larger

organizations – whether progressive or conservative – will win our

struggle – with our help of course – by bringing the issue to the

mainstream.  Beyond being dedicated to ending the Drug War, we are other

people: we are women, we are black and brown, we are poor, we are LGBT,

we are members of political parties.  Being a part of these communities

is essential if we want to win, and we must be sincere, concerned

members of these communities.  We oughtn’t simply pursue our own agenda,

but work to promote their mission and strategies as well.  That’s a

partnership.

Please consider stepping outside of our circle and exploring the many

identities that make you you.

And, if you are a feminist, please contact me.  We must ensure that NOW

accurately, creatively, and effectively engages its membership regarding

the Drug War.  Please contact me if you want to be involved in the

coalition that’s forming to address the intersection of the Drug War and

women.  Already the likes of Patricia Ireland, former president of NOW,

have asked to work with us on taking the next steps.

I absolutely must thank Deborah for her intelligence, wit, and

commitment.  Without her, we wouldn’t be where we are with NOW.  And, of

course, thanks to Jean, Angelyn, and Wyndi for making the trip to

Nashville.  Their contribution to the session was invaluable.

A real movement means mobilizing those impacted by bad laws and

policies.  Many of us have chosen to choose this fight – which without a

doubt is noble – but be must acknowledge those who were left without a

choice.  Fighting the Drug War is a matter of day-to-day survival for

some.  We must meet these survivors and strugglers where they are at,

developing a mutual relationship of cooperation and support.

All the best, Scarlett Swerdlow

*Women’s Rights – Another Casualty of the Drug War*

*WHEREAS* the incarceration rate of women convicted of low-level

drug-related offenses has increased dramatically in the past decade as a

result of our nation’s relentless “war on drugs.” Poor women and women

of color have been disproportionately targeted for drug law enforcement

and receive long mandatory prison sentences that have little

relationship to their actions or culpability.

*WHEREAS* two thirds of women in prison have at least two children who

are displaced as a result of their incarceration often forced to live in

the care of family, friends, or state sponsored foster care where they

may be at increased risk of emotional, physical, or sexual abuse,

*WHEREAS* women’s unique patterns of drug abuse and addiction and

special treatment needs are inadequately addressed as women often turn

to drugs to cope with undiagnosed or untreated mental illness, and/or

the trauma of physical or sexual abuse, or other stresses particular to

women,

*WHEREAS* the intersection of substance use and pregnancy are

increasingly the focus of drug law enforcement,

*WHEREAS* violence against women and other circumstances specific to

women’s involvement in drug-related activities are often overlooked or

ignored in sentencing, such as situations where women who have been

emotionally, physically, or sexually abused by boyfriends or husbands

involved in drug operations are dependent on these men and unlikely to

turn to the authorities,

*WHEREAS* after incarceration women continue to bear the stigma and

burden of post-conviction sanctions that constitute collateral

consequences of incarceration impeding their reintegration into society,

including denial of access to public housing, public assistance and food

stamps, higher education aid and civic participation, effectively making

them second-class citizens

*THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED*, that the National Organization for Women

(NOW) iterate its opposition to the War on Drugs and in its stead

support an approach to drug abuse and addiction that promotes

compassion, public health and human rights; and

*AND THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED*, that NOW educate its membership

about the harms the “War on Drugs” inflicts on women using the NOW

website, NOW materials and literature, and regular NOW legislative

updates, including updates on pending legislation that would negatively

impact women; and

*BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED*, that an ad hoc committee be convened to

research current drug policy that has a particular impact on women and

report back to the leadership and membership at the next national

conference on a potential action plan to be implemented locally and

nationally in conjunction with other organizations currently working

towards the same objectives.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 4, 2005 at 1:47:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

tink, i’m a lurker, enjoy your messages.
would you pm me off list? thanks  rwd3@cox.net —– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

That sleeping aid that’s the PM part of Tylenol PM that BiscuitBoy is
talking about is called doxylamine succinate, and it comes in 25mg
tablets.  After i took ibogaine this alst time , I took two and slept
for about 6 hours, which is not the average thing to happen, from what
I’ve been told.
Anyhoo, it works, and you can get it at almost any drug store.  It
helped me, where benzos just made me dizzy and heavy-feeling.
Hope it helps.  Also try Sleepy Time Tea Extra with valerian root.  A
mix of the two , with a little more valerian might help.
Love to you…
tink

On 7/3/05, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey Keith,

By the look of it,…you have plenty of people to talk to and the right
type of people. The type that understand your pain and frustration.

You are not alone. Looking forward to hearing more of what you are
feeling and going through.

When hanging out, Magnesium helped me big time for anxiety, it will
help you too.

May the force be with you,..I know we are.

with love,
Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hard time

> I’m having a real hard time right now and there’s no one I can really
> talk to so I’ll post my issues here. I’m sketching pretty bad. I don’t
> know how else to put it, there’s no pretty way of say it. I haven’t had
> anything in about 48hrs and I don’t know what to do, I’m shaky and my
> body hurts. I hurt so bad and I’m at work. I work in an office and am in
> my cubical on a Sunday just hoping I don’t get fired…I was so
> confident yesterday and now I just want. This sucks so bad and I’m sorry
> for posting this here…I’m not sure what the rules are on this list. I
> don’t think I could keep this job if I go check in right now, plus the
> others would find out, you know, the people who do not need to be hurt
> anymore. EVER! I wish I could disappear without causing anyone pain…I
> just have to keep telling myself that their pain would be greater than
> my own. There’s not really a whole lot of words for how I’m feeling so I
> won’t go on.
>
> Just a frustrated note,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] still ot and speaking about cats
Date: July 4, 2005 at 12:48:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I stand corrected and just how in the hell did you know I was stoned……….uuuuuuuuu   o yea…….  never mind. I check it out now. God I hope those two find some LSD or something.          Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] still ot and speaking about cats
Date: July 4, 2005 at 12:06:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, good buddy, friend and pal, what are you talking about? It is “finished.” Go to the url I supplied to read the whole very short story that definitely has an “end.” It’s not that long, but I didn’t post the whole thing on-list so you and the rest of those interested would go to the website to SEE THE ILLUSTRATIONS as WELL as finishing reading the story.
You stoner.
Happy 4th- I feel kinda funny saying that. For the first time, I guess Saturday night, when I said “Happy 4th” to someone, she responded, “Yeah, my country SUCKS!” And it struck me- what exactly am I wishing Happy 4th to people for? What exactly is it I’m happy about when it comes to the 4th? Besides the cool fireworks every year in Manhattan that look really, really, really cool when shrooming (and who knows, perhaps some of those will come my way tonight- never can tell)? I mean it, while yes, I can bitch and moan and not have the government IMMEDIATELY knocking on my door, I know that if I tried growing certain flowers, or smoking them on the streets, or eating a pot brownie and telling some cop that was what I was eating, then I wouldn’t feel like I was living in a “free” country with miuch real freedom and liberty to speak of.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] still ot and speaking about cats

Preston either you finish that story or I will. Give us the meat man!!     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (ot-LOL) NASA beats up innocent flying comet
Date: July 4, 2005 at 9:31:04 AM EDT
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wonder if they were using this strike for future reference? If they can hit one with a probe, when will they try and nuke one?           Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] still ot and speaking about cats
Date: July 4, 2005 at 9:24:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston either you finish that story or I will. Give us the meat man!!     Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (ot-LOL) NASA beats up innocent flying comet
Date: July 4, 2005 at 9:22:36 AM EDT
To: “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know, I”m cross-posting, but it’s a holiday, one celebrating freedom no less, so, in light of freedom, A pretty funny take on the Deep Impact/hit that comet with a spacecraft thing that took place last night.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24371
NASA beats up innocent flying comet
There’s snow business like show business

By Our Show Biz Correspondent: Monday 04 July 2005, 08:12
US SPACE AGENCY NASA issued photos and videos showing its unprecedented and unprovoked attack on innocent space wandering comet Tempel 1.
The project, dubbed “Deep Impact”, involved a probe impacting the surface of the comet, in a bid to understand what the heck these celestial bodies are.
This NASA page has pictures, flash animations and more on the attack on Tempel1’s integrity.
(illustration)

Some thought that Deep Impact didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of mashing up the celestial wayfarer. But, as the NASA picture and the numerous animations show, it was a palpable hit.
Boffins believe that striking a comet with the probe will help them understand the origin of the universe, and perhaps help lift the veil on other secrets.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] still ot and speaking about cats
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:47:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a short story about the first cat V and I shared our home with (we’re currently sharing it with 9), for a fourth of july diversion, a story that I wrote a few years ago (with a couple of really cool photos of both main charactors of the story right at the top of the page- but no one is “allowed” to use the photo of Heff, as I had to get express permission from his creator, and even had his creator contact me a year or so after I first wrote and published the story asking me why his photo was on my website and I had to remind him he’d given me permission- he has copyright and will not hesitate to wield it, just to give warm warning if it occured to anyone, ’cause it’s a really cool photo):

http://www.drugwar.com/psamandheff.shtm

Sam and Heff On a Night Out on the Lower East Side

(illustration)
Sam and Heff, contemplating life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
by Preston Peet
Sammy sits back, resting on his haunches, and gives his chest a lick before speaking.
“Hey Heff, pass me that bong would ya? That smells fantastic.”
Heffalump, a small lead elephant about a foot tall cocks his star studded top hat and looks at the striped, one eared cat, then draws a leisurely bubbling toke through the bright red bong. He doesn’t answer right away, not wanting to waste a good hit of Strawberry, but silently passes the bong and tray of crumbled weed over.
“Thanks pal,” Sammy says. He picks up a small pinch of herb in his claws, and loads up. An old hand with the bong, he’s quickly got the lighter to the bowl, inhaling a huge lungful. “Hey, let’s go out while the humans are sleeping. I need to prowl,” Sammy suggests as he adds to the pungent cloud of smoke swirling about the room.
“Righto,” says Heff, climbing to his feet grinning a toothsome grin that splits his face in half. With his heavily lidded red eyes and demonic grin, it is easy to imagine Heff could go where he wants, regardless of his small stature. The sight of a cat and a lead elephant carousing in the night is not a common one, even in NYC, but they don’t give it a second thought. All they want is to go out and see some sights. The tiny apartment they share with the two humans is getting a bit boring.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:40:45 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

because we have no idea who she is, and if someone in SF were to arrive at her door and find she’s actually someone with a badge, that would suck, and to be the one to send someone to her door would be even suckier. It’s too bad that in today’s age of prohibition this is the case, but sadly it is, and one has to be ultra-careful these days. Prison ain’t no fucking joke at all. I know addiction isn’t either, and desperation drives folks to do things they might not think through, but this is a public list with no way to verify who one is talking to.
That would be my own concern anyway Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:22:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The product is flash chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any acid of your choice), and allowed to dry. The material is cut with hundreds of times its mass of mannitol.<

Was written by someone, and I’d just like to say, I pretty much got this part. The rest of it though, could whoever wrote that do it again but in plainer English for those of us whose eyes don’t cross when reading things like, “The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be fentanyl analog compound, and allowed to react (I think around 50 C),” and “Atropine is extracted from nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine is oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then exhaustively methylated with iodomethane.” Call me thick, callme under-edumecated, but this stuff flew right by me, and were I to actually sit and try to use these “directions” to actually create me some home made fentanyl I’d wind up blowing up my apartment or something.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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—– Original Message —– From: “China White” <snowflurry@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift

drone, slipstream, sharp razor, any of you from hive still out there?
mail me offlist.

On 3/9/03, Slip Stream <slipstream@hipplanet.com> wrote:

Synthesis of  the Fentanyl analog beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

by Reverand Drone342:

Alright, I’m only gonna say this once…

N-methyl-4-piperidone + methyl iodide  ===>
N,N-dimethyl-4-piperidone iodide + phenylpropanolamine, base ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenylethyl-4-piperidone + aniline, NaBH4 ===>
4-anilo-1-(beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenethyl)-piperidone +
(CH3CH2CO)2O ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

Next, you’ll want ref’s, I bet. Ho-hum. Invariably, Step 2 (the
replacement
of the quaternary amine with phenylpropanolamine) is the one you’re
wondering
about, isn’t it? I thought so.

Chem.Heterocycl.Compd.; 21; 12; 1985; 1355-1362;

You probobly want to know a little about reductive
amination of aniline with your piperidone, too.

Chem.Pharm.Bull.; 33; 5; 1985; 1826-1835;

Just to be thorough, here’s the addition of the propionyl group:

J.Heterocycl.Chem.; 26; 1989; 677-686;

The reasons for doing this are numerous. N-methyl piperidone is
unwatched,
available in big quantities, and very cheap.

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Chemistry Discourse

Topic: a gift from drone to the DEA — a little china white

Drone 342:
Get ready for some gut-pumpin’ chemical fun!

As a gift from my workin’ class worker bee
subconscious to you, the larger community, here’s a
little genie that I’ve been struggling to keep in the
bottle now for a year. “Pop”, goes the cork, and like
a little butterfly, this chemical nugget spreads its
wings for the rest of the word.

Drone’s home-made fentanyl analog!

Yep, drone has doen what was thought impossible, and
will now divulge what is thought unmentionable,
because DRONE #342 is DRONE #342, and can do that!

Folks, have you ever had a hankering for a big, juicy
ounce or two of synthetic heroin, but just thought it
impossible to allocate the necessary chemicals? Well,
your friend drone has taken out the guesswork and
managed to develope a synthetic route to a chemical
1000 or so stronger than conventional smack.
Impossible, you say? NAY, my dear worker bees.

Here’s the general overview of fentanyl synthesis.
4-piperidone is reacted with a trimethyliodo
(quaternary) salt of a phenethylamine (or any number
of aromatic ethylamines), to produce an
N-arylethylpiperidone (you can use the quaternary salt
of the piperidone with the primary substituted
arylethytlamine, if you like, too.) Anyways, this is
reacted with aniline, and reduced with NaBH4, and then
reacted with propionic anhydride to produce the
fentanyl freebase.

It turns out:

*adding an ethyl carbon bridge to the piperidine ring
will not reduce potency.

*adding an extra methyl to the phenethyl substituent
to make a phenylisopropyl makes for a strong,
long-lasting compound.

*adding a hydroxy to the alpha-carbon of the pehethyl
side chain — as seen in ephedrine — will also
increase potency.

*as I said in a previous post, propionic anhydride can
be made at home (this is the most closely watched
chemical on the DEA’s list, but this watching was
rendered obsolete by YoursTruly not too long ago.)

The Fentanyl Suite, in d(l)-major; Movement 1

(the curtain rises, our anti-hero is found quietly
sauntering through the woods, foraging for
precursors.)

Taking this into account, Atropine is extracted from
nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine
is oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then
exhaustively methylated with iodomethane.

Second Movement

Dexatrim is bought in a fiendish quantity. The PPA is
extracted and isolated as its free base. This is
combined with tropinone, to form
N-(1-hydroxy-1-phenyl)isopropyl tropinone.

(intermezzeo)

Third Movement

Aniline is combined with the aforementioned
freshly-made tropinone, and reduced with NaBH4.

Fourth Movement
(Allegro)

Propionic anhydride is made from a propionate salt
like calcium propionate by adding bromine or even
chlorine. Alternatively, propionate esters are
hydrolyzed, the acid component isolated, and combined
with acetic anhydride and allowed to reflux, with the
product being fractionally distilled.

(crescendo)

The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be
fentanyl analog compound, and allowed to react (I
think around 50 C). The product is flash
chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any
acid of your choice), and allowed to dry.

The material is cut with hundreds of times its mass of
mannitol.

Viola! China white has just been made out of
Nightshade, diet tablets, aniline, and food
preservatives. It’s all there in the literature. Ref’s
available upon request.

Are we having fun yet?

Alchemy has been attained. I’m just that good.
>

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From: Pipetman9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Alcoholism
Date: July 4, 2005 at 7:12:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Treatment Protocol for Alcoholism
(Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, July 1, 2005)

A Message from Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.:

“Ever since I met Bill W, the cofounder of Alcoholics Anonymous and we became close friends, I have had a personal interest in the treatment of alcoholism. Bill taught that there were three components to the treatment of alcoholism: spiritual, mental and medical. AA provided a spiritual home for alcoholics that many could not find anywhere else and helped them sustain abstinence. But for many AA alone was not enough; not everyone in AA had achieved a comfortable sobriety. Bill recognized that the other two components were important. When he heard of our use of niacin for treating alcoholics, he became very enthusiastic about it because niacin gave these unfortunate patients immense relief from their chronic depression and other physical and mental complaints.

“Niacin is the most important single treatment for alcoholism, and it is one of the most reliable treatments. And it is safe, much safer than any of the modern psychiatric drugs. Niacin does not work as well when alcoholics are still drinking but in a few cases it has decreased the intake of alcohol until they were abstinent. This conclusion is based on the work my colleagues and I have done since 1953.

“I know of many alcoholics who did not want to stop drinking, but did agree to take niacin. Over the years, they gradually were able to reduce their intake until they brought it under control. Some alcoholics can even become social drinkers on a very small scale. I have not found many who could. But I think that if started on the program very early, many more could achieve normalcy. I suspect that treatment centers using those ideas will be made available one day, and will be much more successful than the standard treatment today. This all too often still consists of dumping them into hospitals and letting them dry out, with severe pain and suffering. When they are discharged, most go right back to the alcohol, the most dangerous and widely used street drug available without a prescription.

“Orthomolecular treatment is the treatment of choice. The following protocol for alcoholism outlines the importance of the nutritional factors that have been shown to be very successful on treating this condition. The treatment can be used alone but is best combined with dietary advice and additional nutrients.”

The late Dr. Roger Williams, a chemistry professor at the University of Texas and former president of the American Chemical Society, also wrote extensively on the alcoholism.[1]  Dr. Williams recommended large doses of vitamins and an amino acid called L-glutamine.

What should the alcoholic do to help stop drinking and return his or her body to normal functioning?  Supply the following nutrients to the body:

1. Vitamin C to saturation (on the order of 10,000 to 20,000 mg per day and more).  High doses of vitamin C chemically neutralize the toxic breakdown products of alcohol metabolism.  Vitamin C also increases the liver’s ability to reverse the fatty build-up so common in alcoholics.

To titrate to saturation, take 1000 mg of vitamin C every hour.  When saturation is reached, there will be a single episode of diarrhea; then reduce the dosage to 1000 mg every four hours.

2. A B50-complex tablet (comprising 50 mg of each of the major B-vitamins, 6 times daily).

3. L-Glutamine (2000 or 3000 mg). L-Glutamine is an amino acid that decreases physiological cravings for alcohol.  It is one the two primary energy providers that burn glycogen to provide fuel to the brain and stimulates many neurofunctions.  L- Glutamine is naturally produced in the liver and kidneys.  Alcohol harms the kidneys and liver, thus supplementation is vital (concurrently reducing cravings for sugar and alcohol).

4. Lecithin (2 to 4 tablespoons daily).  Provides inositol and choline, related to the B-complex.  Lecithin also helps mobilize fats out of the liver.

5. Chromium (at least 200 to perhaps 400 mcg chromium polynicotinate daily).  Chromium greatly reduces carbohydrate mis-metabolism, and greatly helps control blood sugar levels.  Many, if not most, alcoholics are hypoglycemic.

6. A good high-potency multi-vitamin, multi-mineral supplement as well, containing magnesium (400 mg) and the antioxidants carotene and d-alpha tocopherol.

In summary, the alcoholic’s body needs the proper nutrients in adequate quantities to return to normal metabolic functioning.  The above nutrients are safe, effective, inexpensive and available from discount stores or health food stores without prescription.

There is not even one death per year from vitamins. Pharmaceutical drugs, properly prescribed and taken as directed, kill over 100,000 Americans annually. Hospital errors kill still more.

Most illness is due fundamentally to malnutrition. This not only includes the chronic diseases, but also viral and bacterial acute illness, which are greatly aggravated by inadequate nutrition.

Supplements are not the problem; they are the solution. Malnutrition is the problem.

What is Orthomolecular Medicine?

Linus Pauling defined orthomolecular medicine as “the treatment of disease by the provision of the optimum molecular environment, especially the optimum concentrations of substances normally present in the human body.” Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

Take the Orthomolecular Quiz at http://www.orthomolecular.org/quiz/index.shtml

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

Editorial Review Board:

Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
Harold D. Foster, Ph.D.
Bradford Weeks, M.D.
Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.
Eric Patterson, M.D.

Andrew W. Saul, contact person. email: omns@orthomolecular.org .

To UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.orthomolecular.org/unsubscribe.html
To subscribe at no charge: http://orthomolecular.org/subscribe.html

[1] Williams, RJ, Roach, MK, “Impaired and inadequate glucose metabolism in the brain as an underlying cause of alcoholism–an hypothesis.”, Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1966 August; 56(2): 566–571. http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=224410

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:59:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:58:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:54:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:52:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:54:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it is an ibogaine list in a country were it is illegal,
so think about that. sure there is no problem when it is legal,
but SF is not in Mexico.
I would not invite anyone to do something illegal on a public
internet list. espesially not in a country were people go to jail for one
joint.
this list watched.
maybe it is confusing …and it is not easy to understand.

everyone who is reading this list knows were to find the private email
address
of those who addmit to do it in the underground.
sure there is a way to find help, but just be careful who you are dealing
with.

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to
anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT and looking back to may [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:42:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh dear god, I wasn’t joking. Think we have neighbours who abuse cats…..got another one…. looks ok, but bring out the food and watch your hands. Can’t even get the food outta the container….. the cats head is stuck in it. But omg what a FEKKING cool animal!! Personality plus… just tooo cool  and cute as a button. Got a cool pic of cute cat with Big Not-So-Tough-Maori-boy Hehheh (luv u Justin)
This reminiscing is hard, specially trying to spell the damn word…

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 3:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

Gonna have to get that book…….sounds so cool.  I’m very much a cat
(well, pretty much all living things, which makes me a slow house painter
cos I continuously have to rehouse spiders……) but yes cats, always
rescuing them from abandonment or if they’ve simply run from the house they
were at…. they hear that I’m cool for cats and were lining up for a place
here til I had to put the message out that there was no room at the feline
inn, sadly.
Laterzzzz
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 2:56 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] foudini says g’nite

“I don’t think that he is the one you were meant to protect,” the
stone cat said, and as he spoke, he began to grow shimmery, and I
could see the walls of the basement through his body.  “But there will
always be someone you are meant to protect..  There always is.  We
never knew we would have to protect the queen’s throat from the
queen’s own hand.”  He was wavering and shimering and I knew that he
would soon be gone, just as I knew he had come before, and when I
poened my eyes and was again awake, I would have forgotten his visit.
“Will you come again?”  He said he didn’t know.  He only came to good,
worthy cats, and he had come to me after I threw myself upon the head
of the woodchuck who had attacked my dog.  Did I remember?
I did.
_Foudidn M Cat’s Autobiography

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Vascular Disease
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:39:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh…. It’s called Natures Way…… bit slow here Hehheh just a month behind, (just doing a folder delete,. And a reminisce, see what was appin’ bak in may yo wicked lol)
From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk@kol.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 10:23 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Vascular Disease

I think it is Natures Sunshine that produces what used to be called LIV A, which me and my hep C ex used to help our poor ole livers…..docs impressed with rapid stabilisation of liver count (not sure how reliable these tests are though….) but I’ve only ever had symptoms once ……they’ve changed it’s name now, but I think it says “Formerly known as Prince”………………..no, hang on… “formerly known as Liv A” on the bottle.
Kirk
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 15 May 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Vascular Disease

Hey LEE
Good choice of vit c Lee…..after ibo i have been doing quite a bit of reaserach on vit minerals herbs etc and i found i get positive results….
that said to get the minimal chemicals in the procesing of vit/herbs etc— one thing —LIQUID….plus various brands are much more efficient in the way the process the shit…..ie NATURES SUNSHINE is the top manufucture of vit/herbs……if u look at their process of preparation u ll notice a difference that will surely affect ur health…….but homeopathy is the shit!!!!
Im doing much better thank u…..actually used up Jasons four hours of sleep yest which is undescribable :)…now on with the healing process via the Eboga route 🙂 …the faster the bettter…..i would say end of July the latest…….Love back ……..good weekend everybody…..
tinker the tweaker the thinker where u at girl….sleepin the sleep of angels……i love angels…..so cute and cuddly from the pictures we gathered from eye witnessed accounts ……..i once saw what looked like an angel but he was very ashen and thin with sunken cheekbones and a gun instead of a lyre….hmmmm….and no wings…..”death makes angels of us all and gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven claws”–Morrison
Love You

Namaste
Matthew
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 5:14:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um I might be confused as here…. but aren’t you the sara who is a
provider?  Isn’t that what you risk?  Please, I mean no disrespect to anyone
here.. I just heard a woman asking for help from an Ibogaine list…..
I don’t understand your question or your concern….
Love always
Kirsty xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: sara119@xs4all.nl [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:32 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)

c^c

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 4:31:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you really think it is right to ask anyone to risk going to jail
for your HCL session?

sara

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)
c^c

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From: Jen Reilly <jenreilly@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Help in SF?
Date: July 4, 2005 at 3:13:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is there anyone in the bay area who could help me to correctly weigh
out the sequence of HCL doses that i’d need for 1 session?  this would
be my second session.  i have the HCL.  i just don’t have the funds to
pay a provider again.  i do have a few dollars to offer as
compensation for your time trouble and transportation, but not much.
i would appreciate ANY help or feedback reguarding preparation for my
session. thank you,  jen    h: 415.674.7792  jenreilly@gmail.com


Jennifer Reilly -~^’^~-.,         ,.-^*”*^-.,

, IndustrialEye                      ”   _,..-;:” –  _,..-~v^*”*^v~-.,_
h: 415.674.7792                                     (\    ~<@)  ;  @^,/)
c^c

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift
Date: July 4, 2005 at 12:16:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you sick fuck, I think i love you
tink

On 7/3/05, China White <snowflurry@gmail.com> wrote:
drone, slipstream, sharp razor, any of you from hive still out there?
mail me offlist.

On 3/9/03, Slip Stream <slipstream@hipplanet.com> wrote:

Synthesis of  the Fentanyl analog beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

by Reverand Drone342:

Alright, I’m only gonna say this once…

N-methyl-4-piperidone + methyl iodide  ===>
N,N-dimethyl-4-piperidone iodide + phenylpropanolamine, base ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenylethyl-4-piperidone + aniline, NaBH4 ===>
4-anilo-1-(beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenethyl)-piperidone +
(CH3CH2CO)2O ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

Next, you’ll want ref’s, I bet. Ho-hum. Invariably, Step 2 (the
replacement
of the quaternary amine with phenylpropanolamine) is the one you’re
wondering
about, isn’t it? I thought so.

Chem.Heterocycl.Compd.; 21; 12; 1985; 1355-1362;

You probobly want to know a little about reductive
amination of aniline with your piperidone, too.

Chem.Pharm.Bull.; 33; 5; 1985; 1826-1835;

Just to be thorough, here’s the addition of the propionyl group:

J.Heterocycl.Chem.; 26; 1989; 677-686;

The reasons for doing this are numerous. N-methyl piperidone is
unwatched,
available in big quantities, and very cheap.

————————————————————————
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Chemistry Discourse

Topic: a gift from drone to the DEA — a little china white

Drone 342:
Get ready for some gut-pumpin’ chemical fun!

As a gift from my workin’ class worker bee
subconscious to you, the larger community, here’s a
little genie that I’ve been struggling to keep in the
bottle now for a year. “Pop”, goes the cork, and like
a little butterfly, this chemical nugget spreads its
wings for the rest of the word.

Drone’s home-made fentanyl analog!

Yep, drone has doen what was thought impossible, and
will now divulge what is thought unmentionable,
because DRONE #342 is DRONE #342, and can do that!

Folks, have you ever had a hankering for a big, juicy
ounce or two of synthetic heroin, but just thought it
impossible to allocate the necessary chemicals? Well,
your friend drone has taken out the guesswork and
managed to develope a synthetic route to a chemical
1000 or so stronger than conventional smack.
Impossible, you say? NAY, my dear worker bees.

Here’s the general overview of fentanyl synthesis.
4-piperidone is reacted with a trimethyliodo
(quaternary) salt of a phenethylamine (or any number
of aromatic ethylamines), to produce an
N-arylethylpiperidone (you can use the quaternary salt
of the piperidone with the primary substituted
arylethytlamine, if you like, too.) Anyways, this is
reacted with aniline, and reduced with NaBH4, and then
reacted with propionic anhydride to produce the
fentanyl freebase.

It turns out:

*adding an ethyl carbon bridge to the piperidine ring
will not reduce potency.

*adding an extra methyl to the phenethyl substituent
to make a phenylisopropyl makes for a strong,
long-lasting compound.

*adding a hydroxy to the alpha-carbon of the pehethyl
side chain — as seen in ephedrine — will also
increase potency.

*as I said in a previous post, propionic anhydride can
be made at home (this is the most closely watched
chemical on the DEA’s list, but this watching was
rendered obsolete by YoursTruly not too long ago.)

The Fentanyl Suite, in d(l)-major; Movement 1

(the curtain rises, our anti-hero is found quietly
sauntering through the woods, foraging for
precursors.)

Taking this into account, Atropine is extracted from
nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine
is oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then
exhaustively methylated with iodomethane.

Second Movement

Dexatrim is bought in a fiendish quantity. The PPA is
extracted and isolated as its free base. This is
combined with tropinone, to form
N-(1-hydroxy-1-phenyl)isopropyl tropinone.

(intermezzeo)

Third Movement

Aniline is combined with the aforementioned
freshly-made tropinone, and reduced with NaBH4.

Fourth Movement
(Allegro)

Propionic anhydride is made from a propionate salt
like calcium propionate by adding bromine or even
chlorine. Alternatively, propionate esters are
hydrolyzed, the acid component isolated, and combined
with acetic anhydride and allowed to reflux, with the
product being fractionally distilled.

(crescendo)

The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be
fentanyl analog compound, and allowed to react (I
think around 50 C). The product is flash
chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any
acid of your choice), and allowed to dry.

The material is cut with hundreds of times its mass of
mannitol.

Viola! China white has just been made out of
Nightshade, diet tablets, aniline, and food
preservatives. It’s all there in the literature. Ref’s
available upon request.

Are we having fun yet?

Alchemy has been attained. I’m just that good.

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From: China White <snowflurry@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [ibogaine] a gift
Date: July 3, 2005 at 11:42:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

drone, slipstream, sharp razor, any of you from hive still out there?
mail me offlist.

On 3/9/03, Slip Stream <slipstream@hipplanet.com> wrote:

Synthesis of  the Fentanyl analog beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

by Reverand Drone342:

Alright, I’m only gonna say this once…

N-methyl-4-piperidone + methyl iodide  ===>
N,N-dimethyl-4-piperidone iodide + phenylpropanolamine, base ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenylethyl-4-piperidone + aniline, NaBH4 ===>
4-anilo-1-(beta-hydroxy-alpha-methyl-phenethyl)-piperidone +
(CH3CH2CO)2O ===>
beta-hydroxy-alpha-methylfentanyl

Next, you’ll want ref’s, I bet. Ho-hum. Invariably, Step 2 (the
replacement
of the quaternary amine with phenylpropanolamine) is the one you’re
wondering
about, isn’t it? I thought so.

Chem.Heterocycl.Compd.; 21; 12; 1985; 1355-1362;

You probobly want to know a little about reductive
amination of aniline with your piperidone, too.

Chem.Pharm.Bull.; 33; 5; 1985; 1826-1835;

Just to be thorough, here’s the addition of the propionyl group:

J.Heterocycl.Chem.; 26; 1989; 677-686;

The reasons for doing this are numerous. N-methyl piperidone is
unwatched,
available in big quantities, and very cheap.

————————————————————————
——-
Chemistry Discourse

Topic: a gift from drone to the DEA — a little china white

Drone 342:
Get ready for some gut-pumpin’ chemical fun!

As a gift from my workin’ class worker bee
subconscious to you, the larger community, here’s a
little genie that I’ve been struggling to keep in the
bottle now for a year. “Pop”, goes the cork, and like
a little butterfly, this chemical nugget spreads its
wings for the rest of the word.

Drone’s home-made fentanyl analog!

Yep, drone has doen what was thought impossible, and
will now divulge what is thought unmentionable,
because DRONE #342 is DRONE #342, and can do that!

Folks, have you ever had a hankering for a big, juicy
ounce or two of synthetic heroin, but just thought it
impossible to allocate the necessary chemicals? Well,
your friend drone has taken out the guesswork and
managed to develope a synthetic route to a chemical
1000 or so stronger than conventional smack.
Impossible, you say? NAY, my dear worker bees.

Here’s the general overview of fentanyl synthesis.
4-piperidone is reacted with a trimethyliodo
(quaternary) salt of a phenethylamine (or any number
of aromatic ethylamines), to produce an
N-arylethylpiperidone (you can use the quaternary salt
of the piperidone with the primary substituted
arylethytlamine, if you like, too.) Anyways, this is
reacted with aniline, and reduced with NaBH4, and then
reacted with propionic anhydride to produce the
fentanyl freebase.

It turns out:

*adding an ethyl carbon bridge to the piperidine ring
will not reduce potency.

*adding an extra methyl to the phenethyl substituent
to make a phenylisopropyl makes for a strong,
long-lasting compound.

*adding a hydroxy to the alpha-carbon of the pehethyl
side chain — as seen in ephedrine — will also
increase potency.

*as I said in a previous post, propionic anhydride can
be made at home (this is the most closely watched
chemical on the DEA’s list, but this watching was
rendered obsolete by YoursTruly not too long ago.)

The Fentanyl Suite, in d(l)-major; Movement 1

(the curtain rises, our anti-hero is found quietly
sauntering through the woods, foraging for
precursors.)

Taking this into account, Atropine is extracted from
nightshade. It is hydrolyzed to form tropine. Tropine
is oxidized to form tropinone. Tropinone is then
exhaustively methylated with iodomethane.

Second Movement

Dexatrim is bought in a fiendish quantity. The PPA is
extracted and isolated as its free base. This is
combined with tropinone, to form
N-(1-hydroxy-1-phenyl)isopropyl tropinone.

(intermezzeo)

Third Movement

Aniline is combined with the aforementioned
freshly-made tropinone, and reduced with NaBH4.

Fourth Movement
(Allegro)

Propionic anhydride is made from a propionate salt
like calcium propionate by adding bromine or even
chlorine. Alternatively, propionate esters are
hydrolyzed, the acid component isolated, and combined
with acetic anhydride and allowed to reflux, with the
product being fractionally distilled.

(crescendo)

The propionic anhydride is added to our soon-to-be
fentanyl analog compound, and allowed to react (I
think around 50 C). The product is flash
chromatographed, combined with citric acid (or any
acid of your choice), and allowed to dry.

The material is cut with hundreds of times its mass of
mannitol.

Viola! China white has just been made out of
Nightshade, diet tablets, aniline, and food
preservatives. It’s all there in the literature. Ref’s
available upon request.

Are we having fun yet?

Alchemy has been attained. I’m just that good.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 11:21:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That sleeping aid that’s the PM part of Tylenol PM that BiscuitBoy is
talking about is called doxylamine succinate, and it comes in 25mg
tablets.  After i took ibogaine this alst time , I took two and slept
for about 6 hours, which is not the average thing to happen, from what
I’ve been told.
Anyhoo, it works, and you can get it at almost any drug store.  It
helped me, where benzos just made me dizzy and heavy-feeling.
Hope it helps.  Also try Sleepy Time Tea Extra with valerian root.  A
mix of the two , with a little more valerian might help.
Love to you…
tink

On 7/3/05, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Hey Keith,

By the look of it,…you have plenty of people to talk to and the right
type of people. The type that understand your pain and frustration.

You are not alone. Looking forward to hearing more of what you are
feeling and going through.

When hanging out, Magnesium helped me big time for anxiety, it will
help you too.

May the force be with you,..I know we are.

with love,
Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hard time

I’m having a real hard time right now and there’s no one I can really
talk to so I’ll post my issues here. I’m sketching pretty bad. I don’t
know how else to put it, there’s no pretty way of say it. I haven’t had
anything in about 48hrs and I don’t know what to do, I’m shaky and my
body hurts. I hurt so bad and I’m at work. I work in an office and am in
my cubical on a Sunday just hoping I don’t get fired…I was so
confident yesterday and now I just want. This sucks so bad and I’m sorry
for posting this here…I’m not sure what the rules are on this list. I
don’t think I could keep this job if I go check in right now, plus the
others would find out, you know, the people who do not need to be hurt
anymore. EVER! I wish I could disappear without causing anyone pain…I
just have to keep telling myself that their pain would be greater than
my own. There’s not really a whole lot of words for how I’m feeling so I
won’t go on.

Just a frustrated note,

Keith

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From: Marcus <aktionman@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] future of the news media
Date: July 3, 2005 at 10:14:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a sckairy fewchair!!!!!!!!

On 7/3/2005, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

All:

Is this the future of the news media?

http://oak.psych.gatech.edu/~epic/

(NB: It’s a flash presentation that takes a bit of time to load.)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 9:04:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ah I knew someone had mentioned it!!
It also mentions amino acid L-phenylalanine (geez, la la lol)with other substances may help eliminate cravings for some drugs (hmmm) . another amino acid  called L-tryptophan is thought to help eliminate the craving for amphetamines.  L-tyrosine is being used  for the treatment and withdrawal of cocaine and crack addiction.
That’s about it for this book… the rest I wrote in, vits and herbs, supplementals.. can send you complete list if you like….amounts….
And no prob. Glad it is of help.
Luv heaps
Kirk xxx
From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI [mailto:rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 12:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 8:45:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 8:45:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk
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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 8:43:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk
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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 8:43:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

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From: ROCKYM CARAVELLI <rockymcaravelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 8:43:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you for finding this i had asked a while back and we did find another that has been helpful if you could let me know what others could aid ,  but that is the one you listed that really helps potassium and magnesesium also help to stop cramps etc . and help calm thanx again    rocky

Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:
Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] future of the news media
Date: July 3, 2005 at 7:34:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All:

Is this the future of the news media?

http://oak.psych.gatech.edu/~epic/

(NB: It’s a flash presentation that takes a bit of time to load.)

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:30:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Keith,

By the look of it,…you have plenty of people to talk to and the right
type of people. The type that understand your pain and frustration.

You are not alone. Looking forward to hearing more of what you are
feeling and going through.

When hanging out, Magnesium helped me big time for anxiety, it will
help you too.

May the force be with you,..I know we are.

with love, Jasen.

—– Original Message —– From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hard time

I’m having a real hard time right now and there’s no one I can really
talk to so I’ll post my issues here. I’m sketching pretty bad. I don’t
know how else to put it, there’s no pretty way of say it. I haven’t had
anything in about 48hrs and I don’t know what to do, I’m shaky and my
body hurts. I hurt so bad and I’m at work. I work in an office and am in
my cubical on a Sunday just hoping I don’t get fired…I was so
confident yesterday and now I just want. This sucks so bad and I’m sorry
for posting this here…I’m not sure what the rules are on this list. I
don’t think I could keep this job if I go check in right now, plus the
others would find out, you know, the people who do not need to be hurt
anymore. EVER! I wish I could disappear without causing anyone pain…I
just have to keep telling myself that their pain would be greater than
my own. There’s not really a whole lot of words for how I’m feeling so I
won’t go on.

Just a frustrated note,

Keith

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:15:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ALL THE BEST KEITH!!! Sending healing angels to you \o/  \o/  \o/
From: VanAllen, Keith G. [mailto:VanAllK@sutterhealth.org] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 10:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

I’m head’n home now everyone, thank you for your posts today, I have tomorrow off and will check back in with you all then…Have a great night everyone.

Love,
Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:55 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Ouch that sounds like Neuralgia pain.  That was the only beneficial thing about detox, for me…. I could finally………………………..well, you know lol.  Opiates are detrimental for me in that area!!!
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

sex during detox for me is awful, the worst, I want nothing to do with being touched whatsoever really- my skin is usually hurting too much.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Wow, Dune……yehh if you can sit still long enough…..keeping active is important, like ekki says….personally I know I couldn’t handle being around  people who didn’t know what was going on….I’d rather be in my own space, do what I want when I want to.  Internet and chat sites kept me sane during the sleepless nights…. Dog Bless It! I know if Matt was around (apparently he’s away canoeing!!!!)  he’d say LOTS of baths!!!  Sex is………….too fast to be of much use, well when I’m in detox anyway.. but feels good and takes your mind off it all for a bit!!! LOL
Think that’s the trick really…. Distracting yourself.  I’m hoping what you’re coming off is only a weeks worth of nasty, then feel better… but addressing the addiction …..grrr arrghh where’s the Ibogaine prescription pad?? Sorry, wee burst of frustration there!
Keep writing!!  Distract!!
Luff heaps
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:13:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhh and meant to say, thanks Preston, for that info.
And , um happy independence day??  As in, independent thought!  Question everything.
Love kirk
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 10:08 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

Truth: All thats abstract and all that we percieve is, is one and all at the same time. Hence our leaders can’t handle this so they create through our help, a hell on earth.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

He’s one of our Supreme Court justices, who just did one of their Dred-Scott things (See below for more on Dred Scott).

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/zieve/2005/06/supreme-court-begins-dismantling-bill.html
Friday, June 24, 2005
Supreme Court Begins Dismantling Bill of Rights
June 23, 2005 saw the end of Amendment V to the US Constitution. Although this profound occurrence has been mentioned by our mainstream press, I have been shocked that it hasn’t been more vigorously reported and pursued. This decision undermines the very fabric of the United States of America. These are not “dramatic for the sake of drama” statements. This is what has actually occurred. The Amendment V clause to which I am referring is: “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” Five individuals have decided that “public” now means “private”. Thursday’s 5-4 SCOTUS ruling, says that if cities believe that a private developer can erect structures that will raise more tax revenues than citizen-owned homes and/or businesses, these homes and businesses can be condemned and confiscated by the cities. 

The public use portion of the clause has now been effectively extended to include private use. The “American Dream” of home ownership is now effectively dead, or at the very least has turned into a nightmare. This SCOTUS ruling now allows the seizing of private property by any extremely wealthy developers who want to seize anyone’s land and can propose a project for a city’s ‘increase in tax revenues’.

The case upon which the US Supreme Court based its decision included the planned demolition of 15 privately-owned homes in the Fort Trumbull area of New London, Connecticut. A private developer initially planned to build an office complex and a $350 Million research center adjunct to the nearby Pfizer pharmaceutical company. Therefore, in 2000 the City of New London condemned the privately held homeowners’ properties in order to make way for the private developer’s plans. Until Thursday, the case had been in litigation, had worked its way through the Connecticut court system and finally reached the US Supreme Court. SCOTUS agreed to hear the case, leading to Thursday’s ruling, which has now dismantled the 5th Amendment.

In its ruling that Eminent Domain’s public use clause actually includes private use (if the ‘private users’ have enough money), the US Supreme Court has now given cities and municipalities virtually unlimited latitude in deciding whose properties may be taken. Privately owned properties can now be appropriated at will. This is the most prime example of judiciary activism, to date. For the sake of the inordinately wealthy, our Supreme Court has done away with property ownership for the many to place it into the hand of the few. In essence, these SCOTUS activists have bypassed Socialism, altogether, and rendered the decision that takes us firmly and inevitably into Communism…with the stroke of a pen.

Does anyone remember why our founders and ancestors fought the American Revolution? It was not just about tea. It was about the inherent rights of individuals’ and a country’s self-determination that included, at its base and within its foundation, private property ownership; ownership that would no longer be given or taken away by a king. Now, however, it can be taken away by activist judges. The ramifications of this decision are as wide-sweeping as is our country. If there is the possibility of its being stolen by the “state”, why would anyone (except the extremely wealthy and the politically-connected) purchase property? It would appear that most of the American people do not yet realize the grave implications of this Supreme Court decision. It affects each and every US citizen, dissolves the primary reason the country was founded and both destroys and eliminates the reason for the establishment of our Republic. If our property can be taken at will, we no longer have any ‘representation’ at all. And the Republic’s destruction has come from the hands of 5 people in black robes.
————–

(Dred-Scott ruling by the US Supreme Court took place in 1857, when the Supreme Court ruled  that black people, namely slaves who had been living in free states had no rights to sue for their freedom. Dred Scott was a slave who did not want to return to a slave state when he’d traveled to a free state with his owner and tried to sue for freedom. The Supreme court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, ruled that black were not and never would/could be citizens of the United Stated, and therefore had no rights at all, included the right for a court hearing and the right to sue a white person. The SCOTUS at that time ruled blacks “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it.” 

Referring to the language in the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, “all men are created equal,” Taney reasoned that “it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . .”

(For more on Dred Scott: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html)
—————

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– 
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?


> Um, save me searching, who is Judge Souter? I gather he’s a complete prick,
> but details…….thanks ;o)
> 
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 4:02 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
> 
> This is great!
> The “Just Desserts Cafe” part is too funny. (See below.)
> 
> 
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
> 
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
> 
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, 
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
> 
> —– Original Message —– 
> From: “Mycos” <mycos@SHAW.CA>
> To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:45 AM
> Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
> 
> 
>> Hahhh!! Gotta love it<g>
>>
>> [via Sam Smith’s Progressive Review]
>>
>> JUDGE SOUTER’S HOUSE  THREATENED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN
>>
>> WASHINGTON TIMES – A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H.,
>> to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in
>> order to build a hotel and museum on the property. Logan Darrow
>> Clements faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare’s code-enforcement
>> officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel
>> at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter’s home. . . Mr.
>> Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain
>> greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34
>> Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land. The
>> proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature
>> the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public,
>> featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr.
>> Clements said. . . “This is not a prank,” Mr. Clements said. “The
>> town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of
>> them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from
>> Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development.”
>>
>> http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
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>>
>>
>> –
>>
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>>
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>> individual is sovereign.”   – John Stuart Mill
>>
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirk
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:13:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 03.07.2005 um 23:58 schrieb Capt Kirk:

I’ll just have to hope that the Ibogaine Bot won’t boot me off…. already
had a warning…..

surly bots like marvin are a drag, always bored and discontented

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Interesting information wot i found…
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:08:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Was just reading this in my Nutritional Almanac……thought others might find it of interest as well:-

Heroin increases body acid and causes the depletion of potassium and calcium, there fore, sodium bicarbonate is used to neutralize the acid. Liposomes are made up of phospholipids and are little sacs that carry substances inside them to where they are needed.  Administered by injection, they may be used int eh treatment of drug addiction.  An active lipid substance called AL 721 that has been discovered by Isaraeli scientists, lessend of completely eliminated the withdrawal symptoms of mice that were addicted to morphine (those damn junky mice……sigh) Opiate withdrawal is aided by an amino acid called L-aspartic acid.

Goes on to mention other amino acids in the use of w/d. Wasn’t there someone on here who was using amino acid therapy?
Anyway, probly old info….but maybe useful to someone?

Kirk

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:08:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m head’n home now everyone, thank you for your posts today, I have tomorrow off and will check back in with you all then…Have a great night everyone.

Love,
Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:55 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Ouch that sounds like Neuralgia pain.  That was the only beneficial thing about detox, for me…. I could finally………………………..well, you know lol.  Opiates are detrimental for me in that area!!!
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

sex during detox for me is awful, the worst, I want nothing to do with being touched whatsoever really- my skin is usually hurting too much.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Wow, Dune……yehh if you can sit still long enough…..keeping active is important, like ekki says….personally I know I couldn’t handle being around  people who didn’t know what was going on….I’d rather be in my own space, do what I want when I want to.  Internet and chat sites kept me sane during the sleepless nights…. Dog Bless It! I know if Matt was around (apparently he’s away canoeing!!!!)  he’d say LOTS of baths!!!  Sex is………….too fast to be of much use, well when I’m in detox anyway.. but feels good and takes your mind off it all for a bit!!! LOL
Think that’s the trick really…. Distracting yourself.  I’m hoping what you’re coming off is only a weeks worth of nasty, then feel better… but addressing the addiction …..grrr arrghh where’s the Ibogaine prescription pad?? Sorry, wee burst of frustration there!
Keep writing!!  Distract!!
Luff heaps
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:08:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Truth: All thats abstract and all that we percieve is, is one and all at the same time. Hence our leaders can’t handle this so they create through our help, a hell on earth.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

He’s one of our Supreme Court justices, who just did one of their Dred-Scott things (See below for more on Dred Scott).

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/zieve/2005/06/supreme-court-begins-dismantling-bill.html
Friday, June 24, 2005
Supreme Court Begins Dismantling Bill of Rights
June 23, 2005 saw the end of Amendment V to the US Constitution. Although this profound occurrence has been mentioned by our mainstream press, I have been shocked that it hasn’t been more vigorously reported and pursued. This decision undermines the very fabric of the United States of America. These are not “dramatic for the sake of drama” statements. This is what has actually occurred. The Amendment V clause to which I am referring is: “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” Five individuals have decided that “public” now means “private”. Thursday’s 5-4 SCOTUS ruling, says that if cities believe that a private developer can erect structures that will raise more tax revenues than citizen-owned homes and/or businesses, these homes and businesses can be condemned and confiscated by the cities.

The public use portion of the clause has now been effectively extended to include private use. The “American Dream” of home ownership is now effectively dead, or at the very least has turned into a nightmare. This SCOTUS ruling now allows the seizing of private property by any extremely wealthy developers who want to seize anyone’s land and can propose a project for a city’s ‘increase in tax revenues’.

The case upon which the US Supreme Court based its decision included the planned demolition of 15 privately-owned homes in the Fort Trumbull area of New London, Connecticut. A private developer initially planned to build an office complex and a $350 Million research center adjunct to the nearby Pfizer pharmaceutical company. Therefore, in 2000 the City of New London condemned the privately held homeowners’ properties in order to make way for the private developer’s plans. Until Thursday, the case had been in litigation, had worked its way through the Connecticut court system and finally reached the US Supreme Court. SCOTUS agreed to hear the case, leading to Thursday’s ruling, which has now dismantled the 5th Amendment.

In its ruling that Eminent Domain’s public use clause actually includes private use (if the ‘private users’ have enough money), the US Supreme Court has now given cities and municipalities virtually unlimited latitude in deciding whose properties may be taken. Privately owned properties can now be appropriated at will. This is the most prime example of judiciary activism, to date. For the sake of the inordinately wealthy, our Supreme Court has done away with property ownership for the many to place it into the hand of the few. In essence, these SCOTUS activists have bypassed Socialism, altogether, and rendered the decision that takes us firmly and inevitably into Communism…with the stroke of a pen.

Does anyone remember why our founders and ancestors fought the American Revolution? It was not just about tea. It was about the inherent rights of individuals’ and a country’s self-determination that included, at its base and within its foundation, private property ownership; ownership that would no longer be given or taken away by a king. Now, however, it can be taken away by activist judges. The ramifications of this decision are as wide-sweeping as is our country. If there is the possibility of its being stolen by the “state”, why would anyone (except the extremely wealthy and the politically-connected) purchase property? It would appear that most of the American people do not yet realize the grave implications of this Supreme Court decision. It affects each and every US citizen, dissolves the primary reason the country was founded and both destroys and eliminates the reason for the establishment of our Republic. If our property can be taken at will, we no longer have any ‘representation’ at all. And the Republic’s destruction has come from the hands of 5 people in black robes.
————–

(Dred-Scott ruling by the US Supreme Court took place in 1857, when the Supreme Court ruled  that black people, namely slaves who had been living in free states had no rights to sue for their freedom. Dred Scott was a slave who did not want to return to a slave state when he’d traveled to a free state with his owner and tried to sue for freedom. The Supreme court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, ruled that black were not and never would/could be citizens of the United Stated, and therefore had no rights at all, included the right for a court hearing and the right to sue a white person. The SCOTUS at that time ruled blacks “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it.”

Referring to the language in the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, “all men are created equal,” Taney reasoned that “it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . .”

(For more on Dred Scott: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html)
—————

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

> Um, save me searching, who is Judge Souter? I gather he’s a complete prick,
> but details…….thanks ;o)
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 4:02 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
>
> This is great!
> The “Just Desserts Cafe” part is too funny. (See below.)
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Mycos” <mycos@SHAW.CA>
> To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:45 AM
> Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
>
>
>> Hahhh!! Gotta love it<g>
>>
>> [via Sam Smith’s Progressive Review]
>>
>> JUDGE SOUTER’S HOUSE  THREATENED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN
>>
>> WASHINGTON TIMES – A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H.,
>> to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in
>> order to build a hotel and museum on the property. Logan Darrow
>> Clements faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare’s code-enforcement
>> officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel
>> at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter’s home. . . Mr.
>> Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain
>> greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34
>> Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land. The
>> proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature
>> the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public,
>> featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr.
>> Clements said. . . “This is not a prank,” Mr. Clements said. “The
>> town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of
>> them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from
>> Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development.”
>>
>> http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
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>>
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>>
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>> individual is sovereign.”   – John Stuart Mill
>>
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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 6:02:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tanks Cap’n,I gotcha. Ya, I was 15 and knew I could try Heroin and be in total control. My first shot made me feel whole for the first time. It filled the void. Well, Im 52 and still, OUT OF CONTROL.
Best of luck brother. Irv
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Short for Benzodiazepine….drugs ending in Pam…. valium…(mother’s
little helpers.. originally made to shut the whining wife up lol men “rolls
eyes”) and all them yummy drugs (sorry shouldn’t say that….I’m damn
fortunate not to have had a habit…. wish someone had told me nasty stories
before I tried opiates)…..used for sleeping, anxiety, panic disorder….
Kirk ;:o)

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:57 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Whats benzos? Irv
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Kirk wrote >I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure
help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with
those,
or access etc…<

While addictive too, they can help a bit with getting through the worst
parts of withdrawals, if you’ve got access- but then you probably already
know this. Still, something to keep in mind if you’ve not already
considered this.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that
helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and
when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile
for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each
person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with
those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s
added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all
love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] kirk
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:58:28 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhhhhh ekki, I have emailed, phoned, emailed again and still I/they have
not been able to fix that problem!!!! So please, just ignore, I am getting
all your emails!!  I may phone again today… but I’m getting pretty pee’d
off here cos that costs $1.98 per minute and the last time I tried to get a
human being to talk to me….. I ended up somehow topping up my internet
account 5 times!!!  Like I need to pay that much just now!!
I’ll just have to hope that the Ibogaine Bot won’t boot me off…. already
had a warning…..
Apologies to all… but I am getting your emails.. obviously ;o)
Love
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:48 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirk

just curious why i always get a “mailbox is full – delivery failure”
from NZ whenever posting something here or on eboga. not that i would
mind..

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:54:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ouch that sounds like Neuralgia pain.  That was the only beneficial thing about detox, for me…. I could finally………………………..well, you know lol.  Opiates are detrimental for me in that area!!!
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

sex during detox for me is awful, the worst, I want nothing to do with being touched whatsoever really- my skin is usually hurting too much.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Wow, Dune……yehh if you can sit still long enough…..keeping active is important, like ekki says….personally I know I couldn’t handle being around  people who didn’t know what was going on….I’d rather be in my own space, do what I want when I want to.  Internet and chat sites kept me sane during the sleepless nights…. Dog Bless It! I know if Matt was around (apparently he’s away canoeing!!!!)  he’d say LOTS of baths!!!  Sex is………….too fast to be of much use, well when I’m in detox anyway.. but feels good and takes your mind off it all for a bit!!! LOL
Think that’s the trick really…. Distracting yourself.  I’m hoping what you’re coming off is only a weeks worth of nasty, then feel better… but addressing the addiction …..grrr arrghh where’s the Ibogaine prescription pad?? Sorry, wee burst of frustration there!
Keep writing!!  Distract!!
Luff heaps
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirk
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:47:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

just curious why i always get a “mailbox is full – delivery failure” from NZ whenever posting something here or on eboga. not that i would mind..

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:44:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sex during detox for me is awful, the worst, I want nothing to do with being touched whatsoever really- my skin is usually hurting too much.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Wow, Dune……yehh if you can sit still long enough…..keeping active is important, like ekki says….personally I know I couldn’t handle being around  people who didn’t know what was going on….I’d rather be in my own space, do what I want when I want to.  Internet and chat sites kept me sane during the sleepless nights…. Dog Bless It! I know if Matt was around (apparently he’s away canoeing!!!!)  he’d say LOTS of baths!!!  Sex is………….too fast to be of much use, well when I’m in detox anyway.. but feels good and takes your mind off it all for a bit!!! LOL
Think that’s the trick really…. Distracting yourself.  I’m hoping what you’re coming off is only a weeks worth of nasty, then feel better… but addressing the addiction …..grrr arrghh where’s the Ibogaine prescription pad?? Sorry, wee burst of frustration there!
Keep writing!!  Distract!!
Luff heaps
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Keith
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:43:26 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ah… they made one special for opiate/alcohol….same thing, different amounts more goodies in the opioid one
All the best….
Kirk
(PS, I found on my last detox that I couldn’t use benzos more than a couple of days.. I literally “felt” them slowing my recovery, felt they were poisoning me….. so loads of helpful herbal teas, potassium broths:- leaves off carrot tops, green leafy veges, chickweed, dandelion… brew it up, feels sooo good in your ailing body mmmmm…… banana/honey/yoghurt/oj smoothies, specially if you don’t feel like eating…….large doses of vitamin c..25-85 grams daily for 4 days, reduce to 10 grams………potassium bicarbonate and calcium carbonate have eased and eliminated withdrawal from heroin (so my book says here…dunno…never tried them ones..)
Other useful herbs:-goldenseal (not high dose… causes side effects) mullein, spearmint, orange peel, oat straw herbal tea.
Ok that’s all I can find just now… if I think of anything else.. I’ll send it.
There now, all these emails, all these things to go look for… that’s going to distract you for ages!!!!
Keep it up, Freak Family!!!!  We’ll get Keith there one way or another!!!
Love to you allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll my little furry freaks ;o)
Kirsty Dawn xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:32 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Keith

I found this while zipping around the internet…. Wondering how useful it might be (also in the long term) for detoxing….
www.benzorelief.com    made for tapering off benzos….but could work for other things…
Kirk

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:43:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

herb is good too.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:42:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am kinda using my daily schedule as a distraction. It would help if I didn’t have to act like a spy behind enemy lines, but I’m kinda use to that too. Thanks ekki! -Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:06 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

while staying at work might be difficult it also might help you to pass
time faster. lying in bed all day sweating and turning from one side to
the other is not so much fun either. well i guess you´re experienced
with withdrawals and know what is better for you yourself. good luck
and warmest regards! -ekki

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Keith
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:32:20 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I found this while zipping around the internet…. Wondering how useful it might be (also in the long term) for detoxing….
www.benzorelief.com    made for tapering off benzos….but could work for other things…
Kirk

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:28:26 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, Dune……yehh if you can sit still long enough…..keeping active is important, like ekki says….personally I know I couldn’t handle being around  people who didn’t know what was going on….I’d rather be in my own space, do what I want when I want to.  Internet and chat sites kept me sane during the sleepless nights…. Dog Bless It! I know if Matt was around (apparently he’s away canoeing!!!!)  he’d say LOTS of baths!!!  Sex is………….too fast to be of much use, well when I’m in detox anyway.. but feels good and takes your mind off it all for a bit!!! LOL
Think that’s the trick really…. Distracting yourself.  I’m hoping what you’re coming off is only a weeks worth of nasty, then feel better… but addressing the addiction …..grrr arrghh where’s the Ibogaine prescription pad?? Sorry, wee burst of frustration there!
Keep writing!!  Distract!!
Luff heaps
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 9:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:22:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Have you ever read Dune?
that sits on my want-to-read shelve since ages. i guess my english became good enough to give it a try now.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:21:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Short for Benzodiazepine….drugs ending in Pam…. valium…(mother’s
little helpers.. originally made to shut the whining wife up lol men “rolls
eyes”) and all them yummy drugs (sorry shouldn’t say that….I’m damn
fortunate not to have had a habit…. wish someone had told me nasty stories
before I tried opiates)…..used for sleeping, anxiety, panic disorder….
Kirk ;:o)

—–Original Message—–
From: irv cutler [mailto:irvcutler@charter.net]
Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 8:57 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Whats benzos? Irv
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Kirk wrote >I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure
help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with
those,
or access etc…<

While addictive too, they can help a bit with getting through the worst
parts of withdrawals, if you’ve got access- but then you probably already
know this. Still, something to keep in mind if you’ve not already
considered this.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that
helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and
when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile
for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each
person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with
those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s
added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all
love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:10:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keith, Kava helped me a little, and so did herb. I don’t know how you feel about smoking pot or what you have to go through as far as urine testing goes at work but it sure did help me. When you go to sleep some doxy, ( iI can’t remember how to spell it) the stuff that is in Unisom, not diphenhydramine, the other over the counter sleep aid, helps some. I personaly got some relief from diphenhydramine but not very many people do. Try the Unisom first. Just my opinion. What are you detoxing from, if you don’t mind me asking? Stay with us. Better minds than mine just might chime in here. Your doing good by talking to us. You can get through this.                 Randy      PS I recommend a good book too. Have you ever read Dune?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:06:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

while staying at work might be difficult it also might help you to pass time faster. lying in bed all day sweating and turning from one side to the other is not so much fun either. well i guess you´re experienced with withdrawals and know what is better for you yourself. good luck and warmest regards! -ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 5:02:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 03.07.2005 um 22:57 schrieb irv cutler:

Whats benzos? Irv

benzodiazepams. like valium (brandname).

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From: “irv cutler” <irvcutler@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 4:57:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Whats benzos? Irv
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Kirk wrote >I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…<

While addictive too, they can help a bit with getting through the worst parts of withdrawals, if you’ve got access- but then you probably already know this. Still, something to keep in mind if you’ve not already considered this.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 4:49:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for your good vibes, I actually feel like I have someone with me on this and that’s awesome. your right about being at work, I thought that it would be a place that would keep me locked away from the world this morning but didn’t take into account it also pays my bills and freaking out here might not be a good idea. I will go home somewhat early today. I do have some days on the books but can’t take them yet.

There is a little health shop that caries valerian on my way to the house..good idea!

—–Original Message—–
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:00 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 4:30:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk wrote >I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…<

While addictive too, they can help a bit with getting through the worst parts of withdrawals, if you’ve got access- but then you probably already know this. Still, something to keep in mind if you’ve not already considered this.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 4:00:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(((((((((((((KEITH))))))))))))))))))
Sending you masses of healing energy and hugs and anything else that helps,
just imagine this list as a huge family and see us all surrounding you,
giving you hugs, cheering you on, helping you feel so much better, and when
it gets unbearable, just imagine ALL of us suddenly bowling on into your
office to say Gidday Mate~!….. ok well if that doesn’t make you smile for
half a second  then I’m considering another career path lol.
Boy there aint much to say really….it’s so different for each person….
I’m lucky in that I can use benzo’s responsibly and they sure help ease
things to a semi-bearable level, but I don’t know your situation with those,
or access etc…
Do you have sick leave coming up??  I would seriously suggest taking some
time off…….being at work is making you much worse I feel….it’s added
pressure you don’t need… especially the way you are feeling.

Valerian tincture….won’t fix ya, might help a little.  Gotu kola is
mentioned in one of my books as being useful in detox.  Not tried it so
can’t say.
Anyone else?
Take care, and as Tink and Randy said, keep on writing here….we all love
you heaps and know what you’re going thru.
Big hugs
Kirsty

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 1:35:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Randy, I will.
—–Original Message—–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:34 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time

Keith, your doing the right thing posting here dude. it helped me huge too. I can imagine how alone in this you feel right now. I felt the same way sitting in the Catskills last year before I did the Ibogaine. Hang in there and keep us posted.    Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 1:33:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keith, your doing the right thing posting here dude. it helped me huge too. I can imagine how alone in this you feel right now. I felt the same way sitting in the Catskills last year before I did the Ibogaine. Hang in there and keep us posted.    Randy

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 12:50:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The whole reason you found this list is so you can do exactly
that;post your freak outs when you need to!!  Gawd know i have. i
think we all have, in one way or another…and if you’re posting,
that’s another few minutes where you AREN’T using.
When I went through six weeks of detoxing off of suboxone, this list
and the encouragemnet I got kept me alive and as close to sane as I
get.  KEEP WRITING TO US!!!
At 48 hours, I know what kind of basket-casey mess I was, and you have
every ounce of love, serenity and support I can possible find within
me being sent your way.  For me, I know that everything seems
incredibly amplified, and everything appears to be far worse than it
often is, because I feel all of those emotions that I’ve stuffed deep
into the nether-regions of my own hellish thoughts.  Take hot baths,
learn how to count to ten in japanese, keep posting, and I’ll do my
best to do what I can to help you through it.
You are a brave and beautiful person!! You can do this!
Even if it feels like the end of it all at the moment, the moments add
up and eventually it’s over.
Email me if you’d like to.
You are loved and being thought of, and help is being sent in everyway it can…
tink

On 7/3/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:
I’m having a real hard time right now and there’s no one I can really
talk to so I’ll post my issues here. I’m sketching pretty bad. I don’t
know how else to put it, there’s no pretty way of say it. I haven’t had
anything in about 48hrs and I don’t know what to do, I’m shaky and my
body hurts. I hurt so bad and I’m at work. I work in an office and am in
my cubical on a Sunday just hoping I don’t get fired…I was so
confident yesterday and now I just want. This sucks so bad and I’m sorry
for posting this here…I’m not sure what the rules are on this list. I
don’t think I could keep this job if I go check in right now, plus the
others would find out, you know, the people who do not need to be hurt
anymore. EVER! I wish I could disappear without causing anyone pain…I
just have to keep telling myself that their pain would be greater than
my own. There’s not really a whole lot of words for how I’m feeling so I
won’t go on.

Just a frustrated note,

Keith

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hard time
Date: July 3, 2005 at 12:36:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m having a real hard time right now and there’s no one I can really
talk to so I’ll post my issues here. I’m sketching pretty bad. I don’t
know how else to put it, there’s no pretty way of say it. I haven’t had
anything in about 48hrs and I don’t know what to do, I’m shaky and my
body hurts. I hurt so bad and I’m at work. I work in an office and am in
my cubical on a Sunday just hoping I don’t get fired…I was so
confident yesterday and now I just want. This sucks so bad and I’m sorry
for posting this here…I’m not sure what the rules are on this list. I
don’t think I could keep this job if I go check in right now, plus the
others would find out, you know, the people who do not need to be hurt
anymore. EVER! I wish I could disappear without causing anyone pain…I
just have to keep telling myself that their pain would be greater than
my own. There’s not really a whole lot of words for how I’m feeling so I
won’t go on.

Just a frustrated note,

Keith

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Activity and Deep Impact
Date: July 3, 2005 at 1:07:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhhhh great like I don’t have enuff trouble with the internet already!!!
Gonna be hell when these spots grow and flare!!! Yippeeee.

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 4:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; vox@mindvox.com; Dimitri Mugianis
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Activity and Deep Impact

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 2, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Solar Activity and Deep Impact
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 2, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

SUNSPOTS GALORE:  Only a few days ago the sun was completely blank,
but now it is peppered with fast-growing sunspots.  So far these
active regions have produced no strong solar flares, but this could
change if their dynamic growth continues.  Visit spaceweather.com for
movies of the growing ‘spots and safe solar observing tips.

REMINDER:  Far from Earth, NASA’s Deep Impact spacecraft is about to
poke a hole through the crust of Comet Tempel 1.  When? July 3rd at
10:52 p.m. PDT  (July 4th at 0552 UT).  A plume of gas and dust
emerging from the hole could cause the comet to brighten so much that
sky watchers on Earth can see it through binoculars or even with the
unaided eye from dark-sky sites. Observers in the western United
States, Hawaii, Mexico and  parts of Central and South America are
favored.  From those places the comet hangs in the southwestern sky
after sunset on July 3rd–at the right place and time to view the
impact.  If the comet does brighten, it will look like a faint fuzzy
smudge not far from the bright star Spica.  Visit spaceweather.com for
a sky map and observing tips.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Vox] Fwd: Solar Activity and Deep Impact
Date: July 3, 2005 at 12:34:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com, Dimitri Mugianis <dimitrimugianis@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: vox@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 2, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Solar Activity and Deep Impact
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 2, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

SUNSPOTS GALORE:  Only a few days ago the sun was completely blank,
but now it is peppered with fast-growing sunspots.  So far these
active regions have produced no strong solar flares, but this could
change if their dynamic growth continues.  Visit spaceweather.com for
movies of the growing ‘spots and safe solar observing tips.

REMINDER:  Far from Earth, NASA’s Deep Impact spacecraft is about to
poke a hole through the crust of Comet Tempel 1.  When? July 3rd at
10:52 p.m. PDT  (July 4th at 0552 UT).  A plume of gas and dust
emerging from the hole could cause the comet to brighten so much that
sky watchers on Earth can see it through binoculars or even with the
unaided eye from dark-sky sites. Observers in the western United
States, Hawaii, Mexico and  parts of Central and South America are
favored.  From those places the comet hangs in the southwestern sky
after sunset on July 3rd–at the right place and time to view the
impact.  If the comet does brighten, it will look like a faint fuzzy
smudge not far from the bright star Spica.  Visit spaceweather.com for
a sky map and observing tips.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

To unsubscribe click here:
http://www.spaceweather2.com/u?id=665828G&n=T&l=spaceweather
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Randy
Date: July 3, 2005 at 12:33:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love you Kentucky Fried Randy!!
tink

On 7/2/05, Capt Kirk <captkirk@free.net.nz> wrote:

Big smiles over here in NZ :o)

Kirk xxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 1:49 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and
illusion

Preston, Sara, Kirsty and everybody that I haven’t mentioned, thanx so much
for showing me the support that you have shown me. I don’t know what to say
other than you all are the most beautiful, unconditional love giving group
of individuals that I have ever associated with. I’ve been hitting some AA
meetings lately (for the faith and acceptance) and having been around the
“rooms” for a number of years, I know that AA/NA people would like to say
that they treat their group members like that. It just doesn’t happen. I
think we have trancended the usual support group thing into genuine
friendship while still being able to be objective with each other to some
degree. Yall have pulled me through some very tough times, a lot tougher
than what I am going through right now. It gives me more faith than any AA
meeting could. Not that I’m all that on fire for AA or anything, it’s just
what I have been experiencing lately. Some of you probably don’t even like
being compared with a 12 step program, but it is so hard to come up with
anything that compares to how I feel about this list and the people on it.
It has changed my life and way of thinking. For the most part all good.
Although some of my buddies down home think I have gone off the deep end,
which is way cool, those fuckers need something to keep ’em thinking. I
think I have said it before but here goes again. How can anyone truly fuck
up beyond recognition with all these friends around to show support, or kick
your ass, or make you laugh? We keep posting through the thick and thin, and
we pull each other through the good times and the bad times. It’s a
beautiful thing. It brings me to tears.      I love you all          Randy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Randy
Date: July 2, 2005 at 6:25:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Big smiles over here in NZ :o)
Kirk xxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 1:49 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Preston, Sara, Kirsty and everybody that I haven’t mentioned, thanx so much for showing me the support that you have shown me. I don’t know what to say other than you all are the most beautiful, unconditional love giving group of individuals that I have ever associated with. I’ve been hitting some AA meetings lately (for the faith and acceptance) and having been around the “rooms” for a number of years, I know that AA/NA people would like to say that they treat their group members like that. It just doesn’t happen. I think we have trancended the usual support group thing into genuine friendship while still being able to be objective with each other to some degree. Yall have pulled me through some very tough times, a lot tougher than what I am going through right now. It gives me more faith than any AA meeting could. Not that I’m all that on fire for AA or anything, it’s just what I have been experiencing lately. Some of you probably don’t even like being compared with a 12 step program, but it is so hard to come up with anything that compares to how I feel about this list and the people on it. It has changed my life and way of thinking. For the most part all good. Although some of my buddies down home think I have gone off the deep end, which is way cool, those fuckers need something to keep ’em thinking. I think I have said it before but here goes again. How can anyone truly fuck up beyond recognition with all these friends around to show support, or kick your ass, or make you laugh? We keep posting through the thick and thin, and we pull each other through the good times and the bad times. It’s a beautiful thing. It brings me to tears.      I love you all          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 2, 2005 at 9:49:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, Sara, Kirsty and everybody that I haven’t mentioned, thanx so much for showing me the support that you have shown me. I don’t know what to say other than you all are the most beautiful, unconditional love giving group of individuals that I have ever associated with. I’ve been hitting some AA meetings lately (for the faith and acceptance) and having been around the “rooms” for a number of years, I know that AA/NA people would like to say that they treat their group members like that. It just doesn’t happen. I think we have trancended the usual support group thing into genuine friendship while still being able to be objective with each other to some degree. Yall have pulled me through some very tough times, a lot tougher than what I am going through right now. It gives me more faith than any AA meeting could. Not that I’m all that on fire for AA or anything, it’s just what I have been experiencing lately. Some of you probably don’t even like being compared with a 12 step program, but it is so hard to come up with anything that compares to how I feel about this list and the people on it. It has changed my life and way of thinking. For the most part all good. Although some of my buddies down home think I have gone off the deep end, which is way cool, those fuckers need something to keep ’em thinking. I think I have said it before but here goes again. How can anyone truly fuck up beyond recognition with all these friends around to show support, or kick your ass, or make you laugh? We keep posting through the thick and thin, and we pull each other through the good times and the bad times. It’s a beautiful thing. It brings me to tears.      I love you all          Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
Date: July 2, 2005 at 9:39:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

He’s one of our Supreme Court justices, who just did one of their Dred-Scott things (See below for more on Dred Scott).

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/zieve/2005/06/supreme-court-begins-dismantling-bill.html
Friday, June 24, 2005
Supreme Court Begins Dismantling Bill of Rights
June 23, 2005 saw the end of Amendment V to the US Constitution. Although this profound occurrence has been mentioned by our mainstream press, I have been shocked that it hasn’t been more vigorously reported and pursued. This decision undermines the very fabric of the United States of America. These are not “dramatic for the sake of drama” statements. This is what has actually occurred. The Amendment V clause to which I am referring is: “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” Five individuals have decided that “public” now means “private”. Thursday’s 5-4 SCOTUS ruling, says that if cities believe that a private developer can erect structures that will raise more tax revenues than citizen-owned homes and/or businesses, these homes and businesses can be condemned and confiscated by the cities.

The public use portion of the clause has now been effectively extended to include private use. The “American Dream” of home ownership is now effectively dead, or at the very least has turned into a nightmare. This SCOTUS ruling now allows the seizing of private property by any extremely wealthy developers who want to seize anyone’s land and can propose a project for a city’s ‘increase in tax revenues’.

The case upon which the US Supreme Court based its decision included the planned demolition of 15 privately-owned homes in the Fort Trumbull area of New London, Connecticut. A private developer initially planned to build an office complex and a $350 Million research center adjunct to the nearby Pfizer pharmaceutical company. Therefore, in 2000 the City of New London condemned the privately held homeowners’ properties in order to make way for the private developer’s plans. Until Thursday, the case had been in litigation, had worked its way through the Connecticut court system and finally reached the US Supreme Court. SCOTUS agreed to hear the case, leading to Thursday’s ruling, which has now dismantled the 5th Amendment.

In its ruling that Eminent Domain’s public use clause actually includes private use (if the ‘private users’ have enough money), the US Supreme Court has now given cities and municipalities virtually unlimited latitude in deciding whose properties may be taken. Privately owned properties can now be appropriated at will. This is the most prime example of judiciary activism, to date. For the sake of the inordinately wealthy, our Supreme Court has done away with property ownership for the many to place it into the hand of the few. In essence, these SCOTUS activists have bypassed Socialism, altogether, and rendered the decision that takes us firmly and inevitably into Communism…with the stroke of a pen.

Does anyone remember why our founders and ancestors fought the American Revolution? It was not just about tea. It was about the inherent rights of individuals’ and a country’s self-determination that included, at its base and within its foundation, private property ownership; ownership that would no longer be given or taken away by a king. Now, however, it can be taken away by activist judges. The ramifications of this decision are as wide-sweeping as is our country. If there is the possibility of its being stolen by the “state”, why would anyone (except the extremely wealthy and the politically-connected) purchase property? It would appear that most of the American people do not yet realize the grave implications of this Supreme Court decision. It affects each and every US citizen, dissolves the primary reason the country was founded and both destroys and eliminates the reason for the establishment of our Republic. If our property can be taken at will, we no longer have any ‘representation’ at all. And the Republic’s destruction has come from the hands of 5 people in black robes.
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(Dred-Scott ruling by the US Supreme Court took place in 1857, when the Supreme Court ruled  that black people, namely slaves who had been living in free states had no rights to sue for their freedom. Dred Scott was a slave who did not want to return to a slave state when he’d traveled to a free state with his owner and tried to sue for freedom. The Supreme court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, ruled that black were not and never would/could be citizens of the United Stated, and therefore had no rights at all, included the right for a court hearing and the right to sue a white person. The SCOTUS at that time ruled blacks “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it.”

Referring to the language in the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, “all men are created equal,” Taney reasoned that “it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . .”

(For more on Dred Scott: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html)
—————

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

> Um, save me searching, who is Judge Souter? I gather he’s a complete prick,
> but details…….thanks ;o)
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 4:02 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
>
> This is great!
> The “Just Desserts Cafe” part is too funny. (See below.)
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Mycos” <mycos@SHAW.CA>
> To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:45 AM
> Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
>
>
>> Hahhh!! Gotta love it<g>
>>
>> [via Sam Smith’s Progressive Review]
>>
>> JUDGE SOUTER’S HOUSE  THREATENED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN
>>
>> WASHINGTON TIMES – A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H.,
>> to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in
>> order to build a hotel and museum on the property. Logan Darrow
>> Clements faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare’s code-enforcement
>> officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel
>> at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter’s home. . . Mr.
>> Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain
>> greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34
>> Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land. The
>> proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature
>> the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public,
>> featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr.
>> Clements said. . . “This is not a prank,” Mr. Clements said. “The
>> town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of
>> them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from
>> Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development.”
>>
>> http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
>> ___________________________________
>> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk
>>
>>
>> —
>>
>> Gary Williams
>>
>> “Over himself, over his own body and mind, the
>> individual is sovereign.”   – John Stuart Mill
>>
>> http://mycos.blogspot.com/
>>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Still OT- re tink) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 2, 2005 at 7:49:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and I forgot to specifically thank Tink for posting that Deep Impact thing- that is Cool for sure. Way very cool. To be honest, I don’t mind so much some of my taxes going for space exploration, really. I think it’s a neat thing to do, and cool way to use the brain we’ve been supplied, able to not only contemplate these matters but to carry out on our contemplations as well. I do wish health care could be taken care of wiith some of my taxes instead of bombs, but I think there’s room for food and space exploration, especially if we cut out the whole military-industrial-law enforcement-incarceration complex thing.
So….thanks Tink, cool post and much appreciated.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Preston, you have brought back some memories for me. I should have paid more attention to Matts post but had a lot of “stuff” going on and didn’t. I read a book that kind of skirted the edges of quantom physics and the theory therein once, and I haven’t been the same since. The guy explained it in a way that this dumb ass could actually understand, (kinda) it’s a way deep subject. When I did the Ibogaine some of what I read came in to play. I saw that everything is just the energy that holds our atoms together. Tree’s, bee’s, you. me. everything. To me, that energy is what life is about. That’s why I feel so close to everything now. To me every living thing and even the inadamint (damn I wish I could spell rite) objects have this thing in common. I wrote some prose for a friend of mine and this is what I was talking about. 10th demension and the stars and all the things that people try to explain and can’t. YET. So we use our imagination. I once read somewhere that Einstein was asked how he figured out E=MC squared and how light would curve in space. (He was right you know) and he said that he put God in the equation as an unknown and it all worked out. Everybody before him was being too cut and dried. There are some things we just don’t have the technology to figure yet. Man this is cool. Where else can you discuss something like this without getting that boy this guy is fried look from the people you are talking to. Thank you for bringing it up. Please make a cat purr for me today as I have none around me at the moment. Love and laughter to you and V and the kitties.        Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 2, 2005 at 6:53:47 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

See? Exactly as I was saying, your posts quite often put a smile on my face Randy, for one or more reasons.
V was laughing about this very thing last night, the part about “where else can you…without getting that ‘boy is that boy fried’ look” thing. She works in a bar and sometimes goes out afterwards with her co-workers ’til all hours of the morn, unwinding after however many hours spent serving other people their drinks and watching them party. (I know and understand the feeling very well, so don’t mind her staying out “late,” even if I actually had some say in the matter anyway- which I don’t since she’s definitely her own person, and if I EVER tried to say, “V, you can’t do that,” I’d better have a REALLY good reason, beyond some silly possesive/jelousy type thing.) Anyway, I came in yesterday afternoon from the stairwell where I was having a cigarette (still smoking- patches weren’t helping and finding myself smoking while wearing them I quickly decided that wasn’t going to be the way at least not yet), and mentioned how cool I find reading about things like “they looked through the telescope at galaxies 10-billion light years away, and saw all this helium, meaning that the universe when younger was doing this or that,” because when looking at stars and galaxies 10-billion light years away, they’re looking at light that is 10-billion years old when they first see it- meaning they’re looking 10 BILLION YEARS INTO THE PAST. Wow, that’s heavy, and exactly the sort of thing I like to ponder when stoned or tripping, etc. V said she often tries to start conversations about subjects like that (I keep thinking of that scene in Animal House, the one where Donald Sutherland is getting the students stoned and the one guy- who went on to play Amadaous I think, and scuse my spelling if wrongly spelt- starts wondering aloud about wether every speck of dust is its own universe, or something like that.) when at one or another of these afterhours gigs, but usually gets that “Oh boy, here goes V again, that spacy chick with a brain on her shoulders, always wanting to think and stuff” look instead of a reasoned or even just stoned reply.
But not always. I’ve always loved the big questions when all messed up- “How far DOES the universe REALLY go? Where’s the EDGE of the thing?” That sort of thinking, always got me into those really strange head spaces when really tripping or stoned even when younger.
And to try and bring this on-topic, while undergoing the ibogaine experiences, each time, even the second one where I had less than expected, I got imagery (though very, very little that second time- but what I got was mainly related to this anyway come to think of it) of voyaging through space, or seeing planets from space or from orbit around them, many, many things I would relate to space in my mind. I think Howard wrote once here in reply to my mentioning this, saying it’s a fairly common report from people taking ibogaine, but I could be wrong and it was someone else.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Preston, you have brought back some memories for me. I should have paid more attention to Matts post but had a lot of “stuff” going on and didn’t. I read a book that kind of skirted the edges of quantom physics and the theory therein once, and I haven’t been the same since. The guy explained it in a way that this dumb ass could actually understand, (kinda) it’s a way deep subject. When I did the Ibogaine some of what I read came in to play. I saw that everything is just the energy that holds our atoms together. Tree’s, bee’s, you. me. everything. To me, that energy is what life is about. That’s why I feel so close to everything now. To me every living thing and even the inadamint (damn I wish I could spell rite) objects have this thing in common. I wrote some prose for a friend of mine and this is what I was talking about. 10th demension and the stars and all the things that people try to explain and can’t. YET. So we use our imagination. I once read somewhere that Einstein was asked how he figured out E=MC squared and how light would curve in space. (He was right you know) and he said that he put God in the equation as an unknown and it all worked out. Everybody before him was being too cut and dried. There are some things we just don’t have the technology to figure yet. Man this is cool. Where else can you discuss something like this without getting that boy this guy is fried look from the people you are talking to. Thank you for bringing it up. Please make a cat purr for me today as I have none around me at the moment. Love and laughter to you and V and the kitties.        Randy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
Date: July 2, 2005 at 6:18:54 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um, save me searching, who is Judge Souter? I gather he’s a complete prick,
but details…….thanks ;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 4:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

This is great!
The “Just Desserts Cafe” part is too funny. (See below.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Mycos” <mycos@SHAW.CA>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:45 AM
Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

Hahhh!! Gotta love it<g>

[via Sam Smith’s Progressive Review]

JUDGE SOUTER’S HOUSE  THREATENED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN

WASHINGTON TIMES – A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H.,
to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in
order to build a hotel and museum on the property. Logan Darrow
Clements faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare’s code-enforcement
officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel
at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter’s home. . . Mr.
Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain
greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34
Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land. The
proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature
the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public,
featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr.
Clements said. . . “This is not a prank,” Mr. Clements said. “The
town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of
them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from
Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development.”

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (Reply to Randy et al)
Date: July 2, 2005 at 6:08:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy.
You keep breathing please, you’re a good one to have around I think.

Peace and love,
Preston
[Capt Kirk]
Yes I second, third and fourth this motion. And I don’t think (much lol) I
KNOW you’re a good un to have around!! As for that Preston fulla, well
geeeee lol (that was a kiwi accent btw for fellow)
You all are the weirdest family I ever had.. and trust me I’ve had some
weird ones on this journey!!

Love
Kirk xxx

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Reply to Randy et al) Re: [Ibogaine] (For Kirk)
Date: July 2, 2005 at 4:54:29 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy wrote

We joke and we laugh but no doubt about it being addicted sucks. It warms my atrophied heart to read your posts.<

We even bitch and moan too sometimes, or at least I can be known to amongst the silliness, but I wanted to just say as well Randy, that having seen and watched you show up here, looking around, getting what you were after, using it to the utmost as near as I can tell (despite your current threads, and don’t worry, I for one am not holding you up to any expectations, so if you fuck up at all you do not have to feel like it’s something you have to hide, at least if you feel like talking/writing sometime, before or after you fuck up,, so feel free to use me as your sounding board Randy- you’ve done it for me.), It warms my heart to read your posts here too in other words Randy. You keep breathing please, you’re a good one to have around I think.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Kirk)

Kirsty, I would love to hear your tales after Ibo. You have such a cool and twisted outlook that I think Ibogaine just might open your head up in a way that would be interesting to say the least. If I had the money I would send you to Sara just to see what you had to say when you got back. We joke and we laugh but no doubt about it being addicted sucks. It warms my atrophied heart to read your posts.    Much love to you and yours        Randy

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT my how times have changed….
Date: July 2, 2005 at 12:52:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This cracked me up, but just shows how greedy we get!! More more more!!!  This is what Bill Gates said back in 1981 (probably about the same time I was flinging myself down an elevator shaft at high speed……huh.)
“in 1981, referring to computer memory, Bill Gates said, “640K (roughly 1/2 of a megabyte) ought to be enough for anybody.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Kirk xxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Fw: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?
Date: July 2, 2005 at 12:02:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is great!
The “Just Desserts Cafe” part is too funny. (See below.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Mycos” <mycos@SHAW.CA>
To: <NEWSROOM-L@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:45 AM
Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] nabbing Souter’s house?

Hahhh!! Gotta love it<g>

[via Sam Smith’s Progressive Review]

JUDGE SOUTER’S HOUSE  THREATENED WITH EMINENT DOMAIN

WASHINGTON TIMES – A businessman has asked the town of Weare, N.H.,
to seize the home of U.S. Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter in
order to build a hotel and museum on the property. Logan Darrow
Clements faxed a request to Chip Meany, Weare’s code-enforcement
officer, seeking to start the application process to build a hotel
at 34 Cilley Hill Road, the site of Mr. Souter’s home. . . Mr.
Clements, CEO of Freestar Media LLC, said the town would gain
greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34
Cilley Hill Road than allowing Justice Souter to own the land. The
proposed development, called the Lost Liberty Hotel, would feature
the Just Desserts Cafe and include a museum, open to the public,
featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America, Mr.
Clements said. . . “This is not a prank,” Mr. Clements said. “The
town of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of
them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from
Mr. Souter, we can begin our hotel development.”

http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
___________________________________
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk

Gary Williams

“Over himself, over his own body and mind, the
individual is sovereign.”   – John Stuart Mill

http://mycos.blogspot.com/

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: July 1, 2005 at 8:07:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just want to add my best wishes for a safe and enlightening journey!!!!!
rest assure the bwiti folk and the ibo freaks from the west are watching over u
much love

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 1, 2005 at 6:34:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirky just says “HUH??” and continues to try and walk thru her walls and doors………………………………..
Heee-yuk!!
Luv ya’s!!!!
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 10:08 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Preston intersting theories….i would like to comment on a few ….mind u these are only opinions not fully worked out beliefs yet who vary and change accordingly to wht kind of books im reading/how i feel emotionaly etc etc
we exist as forms of CREATIVITY and light that will never be extingueshed…there is no such thing as the “end” in any lifetime/planet/planes of existence….there is only evolution wehter we want it or not ….i think that when V is watching u sleep it proves one thing–that she loves u
since  reality creation is bassed on ideas and thoughts and creative thinking reality is only what WE think it is…we exist hre in this time to fulfill some minor or major part to this never ending game of creation…..we all have roles to play cuase the game has to keep moving….never stands still
when u are sleeping and have lucid dreams u are still creating ur own reality based on ur beliefs life style etc so the world is not disapering or aperaing to be anyting but the thing u think it should be
Preston i sincerely belive that everything really is in themind….by prjecting our thoughts and ideas we create this world as well as all the others.  out thre somewhere when we cease the cycle of rebeith we are boundless bodiless ompnipresent and all we have is our mind our creative spirit to create and continue creating whatever existence we are in
i mean when we die this physical death people describe the landscapes of death as beutiful loving tranquil places where its all but love……but the atributes to the land of dead are  only our creations by our ideas life idealigies etc etc….thre is no land of the dead its all in our mind we created it/creaating it–i actually realized this only recently
had trouble undestaning what u meant in that paragrhaph
.we are made in the image of what we want to look like….we are the architects of our reality/esitence….we choose what and when
i cant think of anything more fascinating then all the theoires of reality etc…..well ummm i think i can think of other fasinating things but whatever
ok alot of nonsense here and i know alot more inconsistensies but whtever
much love

Namaste
Matthew
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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 1, 2005 at 6:07:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston intersting theories….i would like to comment on a few ….mind u these are only opinions not fully worked out beliefs yet who vary and change accordingly to wht kind of books im reading/how i feel emotionaly etc etc
we exist as forms of CREATIVITY and light that will never be extingueshed…there is no such thing as the “end” in any lifetime/planet/planes of existence….there is only evolution wehter we want it or not ….i think that when V is watching u sleep it proves one thing–that she loves u
since  reality creation is bassed on ideas and thoughts and creative thinking reality is only what WE think it is…we exist hre in this time to fulfill some minor or major part to this never ending game of creation…..we all have roles to play cuase the game has to keep moving….never stands still
when u are sleeping and have lucid dreams u are still creating ur own reality based on ur beliefs life style etc so the world is not disapering or aperaing to be anyting but the thing u think it should be
Preston i sincerely belive that everything really is in themind….by prjecting our thoughts and ideas we create this world as well as all the others.  out thre somewhere when we cease the cycle of rebeith we are boundless bodiless ompnipresent and all we have is our mind our creative spirit to create and continue creating whatever existence we are in
i mean when we die this physical death people describe the landscapes of death as beutiful loving tranquil places where its all but love……but the atributes to the land of dead are  only our creations by our ideas life idealigies etc etc….thre is no land of the dead its all in our mind we created it/creaating it–i actually realized this only recently
had trouble undestaning what u meant in that paragrhaph
.we are made in the image of what we want to look like….we are the architects of our reality/esitence….we choose what and when
i cant think of anything more fascinating then all the theoires of reality etc…..well ummm i think i can think of other fasinating things but whatever
ok alot of nonsense here and i know alot more inconsistensies but whtever
much love

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !
Date: July 1, 2005 at 3:36:20 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Did I already reply with a best of luck my friend? If so, double the good wishes can’t hurt. It’s been a weird few weeks around here, so I’m a bit fuzzy on exactly what was sent to where and whom time it were there.
Or something along those lines.
Seriously though, best of luck, be well, hydrate well, keep a bucket handy by the bed, be chill, ride it out with steady breathing, keep the lights well extinguished (for me this was VERY important- bright light- um, well, light of any kind really was bright for that matter- was very bad) for me eating a chewable Dramamine was best, although some insist it dries one out more than other medications. I found the chewable much better as I did not have to swallow the durned thing and wait in hopes it took affect before I vomited it back up for whatever reason. Plus, I got dry anyway, and had to keep sipping water even the one time I didn’t eat Dramamine, so for me that was better, eating the chewable thingy. Music was cool FOR ME in the beginning, but not everyone likes that. No sound once into the voyage was better for me, silence was best, because every sound was amplified (I live across the street from an elementary/middle school with the oldest playground on Manhattan right downstairs across the street from my bedroom/office/livingroom window- very noisy and distractive but V did her best to block both sound and light by stuffing the windows with materials and stuff for me which helped greatly- keep this in mind for yourself actually).
Anyway, hope this helps you with anything you might not have thought of or had suggested already, athough I’m sure everyone else has beaten me to the punch. Regardless, luck and thoughts to you.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Sjonnygee .
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] First time for everything !

Well it took me a year to find the balls to do it , but I’m going to take Ibogaine (hcl) for the first time on Saturday morning . I’m going down to my providers place in London tommorow night and stay there until I’m through it. Hopefully I’ll be a little closer to having methadone and smack out of my life and start actually living again – Anybody who wants to wish me luck is welcome to……… I owe quite a lot to this list …….. sjonny.
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 1, 2005 at 3:05:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, you have brought back some memories for me. I should have paid more attention to Matts post but had a lot of “stuff” going on and didn’t. I read a book that kind of skirted the edges of quantom physics and the theory therein once, and I haven’t been the same since. The guy explained it in a way that this dumb ass could actually understand, (kinda) it’s a way deep subject. When I did the Ibogaine some of what I read came in to play. I saw that everything is just the energy that holds our atoms together. Tree’s, bee’s, you. me. everything. To me, that energy is what life is about. That’s why I feel so close to everything now. To me every living thing and even the inadamint (damn I wish I could spell rite) objects have this thing in common. I wrote some prose for a friend of mine and this is what I was talking about. 10th demension and the stars and all the things that people try to explain and can’t. YET. So we use our imagination. I once read somewhere that Einstein was asked how he figured out E=MC squared and how light would curve in space. (He was right you know) and he said that he put God in the equation as an unknown and it all worked out. Everybody before him was being too cut and dried. There are some things we just don’t have the technology to figure yet. Man this is cool. Where else can you discuss something like this without getting that boy this guy is fried look from the people you are talking to. Thank you for bringing it up. Please make a cat purr for me today as I have none around me at the moment. Love and laughter to you and V and the kitties.        Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion
Date: July 1, 2005 at 1:24:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world,
which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses
and the mind the world does not exist for us.<

This is a very interesting article, but the above gave me pause. Ever read the anti-war book Johnny Got His Gun, about the poor guy who lost all five senses, yet still lived on in the hospital? Well, come to think of it he didn’t lose them all as he was feeling the change of day and night on his skin if my memory serves me correctly (I read it over 25 years ago now, so I was pretty young and very disturbed by this book). But still, he had no sight, taste, touch (beyond others touching his body), hearing, or smell left- yet on he lived, thinking and remembering them all, trying to figure out a way to communicate with the outside world he knew still existed.
Anyway, on a slightly related topic, I’m currently reading a book called “The Whole Shebang- a State of the Universe(s) Report,” by Timothy Ferris. He discusses where science is going with the whole “reality” thing, and I’m finding it facinating, especially after certain experiences involving certain herbal substances. I find it a lot of fun pondering particle physics and string/superstring theory and other neato things like that, as well as subjects like those covered in this interesting email from Matthew.

>Can you prove the reality of the
world while you are deeply asleep? When you wake up from sleep other
people may tell you that the world existed, but can you prove that
these people existed while you were asleep?<

Well, to play the devil’s advocate, if V tells me she enjoys watching me sleeping, seems to me that pretty much “proves,” to me at least, that she was existing while I slept.

>After waking up we may invent all kinds of theories to prove the
realty of the world. Yet, these are only mental theories. During
sleep it was non-existent for us. The world disappeared together
with time.<

What about lucid dreaming, where I can tell I am asleep, know it for sure, yet can still remain not only asleep but control my dreaming, and do things like, say, fly, or look at my hand, intentionally? Seems to me that during those time the world not only do NOT disappear altogether but actually does the opposite- it increases.

>A jewel made of gold may be
called an earring or a necklace, but actually it is only gold.
Before it became a jewel and after it is melted it is only gold.
Clay is shaped into vessels such as plates, cups, or vases, but they
are only clay.<

And here is where there is a strong connection to that book I’m reading, where we take it much further than “they’re just gold” or “just clay” because those substances themselves are made up of atoms, in turn made up of …etc, etc. Reality is a very, very weird place.

>It is only due to some
kind of illusion that we see a world. Everything is in the mind.<

Personally, I think this is one of those very human-centered ways of thinking, sorta of like saying we’re made in god’s image. I don’t believe for one second that everyting is “only” in my mind, that were I snuffed there wouldn’t still be a “reality” on going, and some on-going in spaces and times I’ll never ever get to reach beyond thinking about them- but still they are there whether I percieve them or not. It’s not an illusion that I see the world- it’s magic, to put it in a mumbo-jumbo sort of way. I just happen to make up one small part of the whole, and have been endowed with a way of thinking about where and when I am. My part is definitely different in many ways than others’, yet so too is it exactly the same in other ways.
Ahhh, just rambling, and not very on-topic either.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] reality verus imagination and illusion

Reality Versus Imagination and Illusion
By Remez Sasson

The five senses make us feel that the world is real. Seeing the
solidity of the objects around us, feeling the impact of the senses,
it is hard to deny the validity of what we see. Everything looks
real and we never stop to question this reality.

The mind is attached to the five senses and accepts everything as
real without questioning. When we bump into a table or a wall and we
feel pain, it is difficult to say that we are imagining it. When we
see with our eyes, hear sounds, smell, or when we feel heat or
coldness, we accept these sense impressions as real.

Some say that the world is an illusion, Maya in Eastern terminology.
Can we accept this when everything looks so real? Can we regard the
world as imagination?

We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world,
which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses
and the mind the world does not exist for us.

If we say that a real thing is something that always exist with no
gaps, then the outside world is not real. There are times besides
sleep, when we are so busy that we are not conscious of what is
going on around us. When there are no sensory sensations, as while
being in a floating tank, or when in deep meditation, we are still
conscious, but not of the world. This means that sometimes we are
conscious of the world and sometimes we are not.

After we wake up from sleep, or get out of deep meditation and
return to ordinary consciousness, we feel that there was a gap in
our consciousness of the outside world. There was no world at that
time. If we endeavor to pay attention to our consciousness we will
come to the conclusion that the outside world comes and go, while
the awareness of our inner consciousness never wavers.

The world exists for us only when the senses and mind are directed
towards it, and cease to exist for us the moment we silence the
senses and mind. During deep sleep we do not experience the world
because the senses are not active. Can you prove the reality of the
world while you are deeply asleep? When you wake up from sleep other
people may tell you that the world existed, but can you prove that
these people existed while you were asleep?

After waking up we may invent all kinds of theories to prove the
realty of the world. Yet, these are only mental theories. During
sleep it was non-existent for us. The world disappeared together
with time.

During sleep dreams seem very real, but upon awakening we realize
that they were just dreams. So it is with this world we call
reality. It is possible to wake from it too. Sri Ramana Maharshi,
the great Indian sage, has said that the difference between a dream
while sleeping and the dream we call wakefulness is only of
duration, one short and the other one long.

Further to the above, each person interprets and relates to other
people’s behavior, words and attitudes in a different way, according
to the contents of his subconscious mind. No one’s world is like
another. Again, we see illusion at work. A world is created, based
on our interpretation of what we see hear and sense.

Mind and thoughts create the world
Thoughts arise and we look at them. The same thoughts tend to arise
again and again. If we let this process continue, it goes on
incessantly. These thoughts make us to behave, expect, talk and act
in a certain personalized way, and thus cause the people we come in
contact with, to treat us and relate to us in a certain manner.

We usually continue with the same way of thinking, and live the same
kind of life each day, whether we like it or not. These thoughts
shape our circumstances and relationships. It is like watching the
same movie over and over again. If we want to watch a different
movie we have to change the reel or cassette. This happens by
changing our thoughts. This is how creative visualization works, and
there is nothing supernatural about this.

The world we experience, and the life we live are actually made from
the thoughts we project. The mind creates a world of illusion. By
changing our thoughts, we change the illusion and experience a
different reality. We do not create a world, only an illusion that
looks real. No unusual power is involved here. We are living in Maya
and are changing the Maya.

When we are able to still the mind and the senses, our consciousness
seems to shift into a new dimension. Actually it is there all the
time, only that the mind makes us think otherwise. When there are no
thoughts in the mind, the world we know and believe is real, loses
its reality. We become conscious of the world beyond the mind and
illusions.

Waking up from illusion
We can wake up completely, understand and become conscious of the
illusion of Maya, and live, as we really are, as a pure, formless,
beginning-less and endless consciousness. Due to illusion it seems
as if we are all separated, having individual selves and each living
a different life. Even when we wake up from Maya, its play may go
on. We continue to see and experience it, yet it is of no concern to
us anymore. Outwardly we may continue to live our life in the same
manner, but we are really awake.

It is like a movie show. A person watching a movie gets so involved
with the characters and with what happens on the screen. He may
become happy or sad with the heroes, gets depressed, shouts or
laughs.

If at a particular moment he decides to stop watching the screen and
manages to withdraw his attention from the movie, he gets snapped
out of the illusion the movie creates. The projecting machine will
go on projecting images on the screen, but he knows that it is only
light projected through the film onto the screen. What is seen on
the screen is not real, but yet it is there. He may watch the movie,
or he may decide to close his eyes and ears and stop looking at the
screen.

Have you ever watched a movie, when at some point the reel got stuck
or there was a power failure? What happens to you when you watch an
interesting, absorbing film on the television and then suddenly
there are commercials? You are snapped out of the illusion to the
world around you. When you are sleeping and dreaming, and someone
wakes you up, you feel thrown out of one world to a different one.
It is the same in the life we call reality. It is possible to wake
up from it.

One who has managed to still his mind and senses through proper
training, may go on living and acting in the world like the person
in the cinema hall, who is no longer interested in the movie. He
learns how to get out of the illusion and wake up. If he is no more
a slave to illusion and dreams, he is free. He sees everything as it
really is. Contrary to what you might think, such a person functions
in his daily life in a better way, is stronger, happier, very
practical and free from worry.

In the East, metaphors are used in order to demonstrate what
illusion is in relation to Reality. A jewel made of gold may be
called an earring or a necklace, but actually it is only gold.
Before it became a jewel and after it is melted it is only gold.
Clay is shaped into vessels such as plates, cups, or vases, but they
are only clay.

Due to convenience of speech we call these objects made of gold or
clay by many names, but they are really only clay or gold.
Everything in existence is “made” from the Original Substance, and
is not a “real” thing standing by itself, exactly as in the above
examples. Nothing has a reality of its own.

A mirage is not real, but yet we see it. A dream taking place while
sleeping is not real, yet we experience it during the time of the
dream as a reality. A hologram looks 3D, while it is actually flat.

In the East, one of the metaphors of explaining reality and illusion
is that of the rope and the snake. In the dark we may see a rope and
mistake it for a snake. When there is enough light we realize that
it was only a rope, and the snake disappears. It is only due to some
kind of illusion that we see a world. Everything is in the mind.

 

Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for those interested FW: g8mantras.com
Date: July 1, 2005 at 6:31:34 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To anyone who may be interested in mantras/world peace etc….
I forward this for you.
( I have known Amala for a few years now, awesome woman :))

“To be against something is to be at war.”
That’s why I’m just for peace n love n laughter 🙂

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From: druk lad [mailto:druk_lad@yahoo.fr]
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 10:20 a.m.
To: m g
Subject: g8mantras.com

Hello,
This is to inform you that http://www.g8mantras.com is
up and functioning. Please visit and pledge your self
to doing mantras/affirmations/prayers for world peace
and the elimination of world poverty. Thank you.
It would be good if you could inform as many people as
possible about this initiative and give the URL.
Thank you for joining us.
:)))
Amala
(coordinator for g8mantras.com)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirk@free.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (For Kirk)
Date: July 1, 2005 at 5:56:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Awww wow,. What awesome words Randy, I’m really touched!! (Apart from in the head dept……) And I know ya would too…
What I really wanna do is…. Save heaps of money (save, win, rob, ok no robbing/stealing lol not in the spirit of the Igoba Dogs…)  and then take all who need over to Africa…. Proper initiation!! Yehhhhh!!!
Regardless of whatever happens whenever (and I know it is….I’ve been following Ibogaine since 1998 and I come back to it as … IT..) I am still coming over there and where ever else to meet everyone in the flesh.  Once my darling daught is out about and doing her thang (like my southern twang there?? Heh) I will be travelling, maybe as a Wwoofer!! (willing workers on organic farms…) part of the time, the rest…. Ok whoooooo is gonna have this insane kiwi woman inside their home???? Nobody??? Ok, fair enuff, I completely understand, and love you all anyway!!!~
Cheers again Randy, has been “one of them days” but feeling loads better now!! Merci bow-coops!!
Love to you all…..in all my years on the ‘net, this has to be the most all rounded, craziest, most beautiful and diverse buncha mad people I ever met.. and that from me is the highest form of flattery :o)
Here’s to merging those left and right brain sides into ONE!!! Dats dah trick ewes guyz ;o)
I’m wondering how seriously open and massively spinning the chakra system etc is after Ibogaine? Could explain a helluva lot…
But that’s anuvva email
LOVE
KIRK XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 9:33 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Kirk)

Kirsty, I would love to hear your tales after Ibo. You have such a cool and twisted outlook that I think Ibogaine just might open your head up in a way that would be interesting to say the least. If I had the money I would send you to Sara just to see what you had to say when you got back. We joke and we laugh but no doubt about it being addicted sucks. It warms my atrophied heart to read your posts.    Much love to you and yours        Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Kirk)
Date: July 1, 2005 at 5:33:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirsty, I would love to hear your tales after Ibo. You have such a cool and twisted outlook that I think Ibogaine just might open your head up in a way that would be interesting to say the least. If I had the money I would send you to Sara just to see what you had to say when you got back. We joke and we laugh but no doubt about it being addicted sucks. It warms my atrophied heart to read your posts.    Much love to you and yours        Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 1, 2005 at 5:12:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris, I don’t think you can get anywhere with a small dose until you have broken the addiction. In order to do a “booster” you have to first have the big one. As for the Vocanga everything I have read about it says in conclusion that it looks like it would take an awful lot of it to get the Ibogaine effect. As far as I know there is no research into how much it would take. No set dose. It should be looked into. Knowing the freaks who hang out here, someone probably has this information. I even saw the process of extract of Vocanga on the net somewhere. Still no idea of how much of it to take. I don’t think it is a viable alternative to Iboga. Still, we can hope.              Randy

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] voacanga
Date: July 1, 2005 at 3:35:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Can someone tell me how potent voacanga africa seed powder be?

How much would you need for a test dose or a booster dose?

Regarding booster doses, do you need to have the full blow Ibogaine trip for a booster dose to be effective, or would a dose that size still be helpful in fighting cravings without first having a full dose?

cheers
Boris

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Something to ponder
Date: July 1, 2005 at 12:43:10 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ALABANZA: In Praise Of Local 100
by Martin Espada

for the 43 members of Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees Local
100, working at the Windows On The World Restaurant, who lost their
lives in the attack on the World Trade Center.

ALABANZA.  Praise the cook with the shaven head
and the tattoo on his shoulder that said ‘Oye’,
a blue eyed Puerto-Rican with people from Fajardo,
the harbor of pirates centuries ago.
Praise the lighthouse in Fajardo, candle
glimmering white to worship the dark saint of the sea.
ALABANZA.  praise the cook’s yellow Pirate’s cap
worn in the name of Roberto Clement, his plane
that flamed into the ocean loaded down with cans for Nicaragua,
for all the mouths chewing the ash of earthquakes.
ALABANZA.  Praise the kitchen radio, dial clicked
even before the oven, so that Spanish
rose before bread.  Praise the bread.  ALABAZNA.

Praise Manhattan from a hundred and seven flights up,
like Atlantis glimpsed through the windoows of an ancient aquarium.
Praise the great windows where immigrants from the l=kitchen
could squint and almost see their world, hear the chant of nations:
Ecuador, Mexico, Republica Dominica, Haiti, Yemen, Ghana, Bangladesh.
ALABANZA.  Praise the kitchen in the morning,
where the gas turned blue on every stove
and the exhaust fans fired their diminutive propellers,
hands cracked eggs with quick thumbs
or sliced open cartons to build an altar of cans.
ALABANZA.  Praise the dish-dog, the dish washer
who worked that morning becasue the other dish washer
could not stop coughing, or because he needed overtime
to pile the sacks of rice and beans for a family
floating away on some Carribean island plagued by frogs.
ALABANZA.  Praise the waitress who heard the radio in the kitchen
and sang to herself about a man gone.  ALABANZA.

After the thunder wilder than thunder,
after the booming ice storm of glass from the great windows,
after the radio stopped singing like a tree full of terrified frogs,
after night burst the dam of day and flooded the kitchen,
for a tiem the stoves glowed in the darkness like the lighthouse in
Fajardo,
like a cook’s soul.  Soul I say, even if the dead cannot tell us
about the bristles in God’s beard because God has no face,
soul I say, to name the smoke-beings flung into the constellations
across the night sly of this city and cities to come.
ALABANZA I say, even if God has no face.

ALABANZA. When the war began, from Manhattan to Kabul
two constellations of smoke rose and drifted to each other,
mingling in icy air, and one of them said with an Afghan tongue:
Teach me to dance.  We have no music here.
And the other siad witha Spanish tongue:
I will teach you.  Music is all we have.

Love you all
tinkaflue

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses – Holosync
Date: July 1, 2005 at 12:31:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,
I don’t know anything about kenisiology and the validity of any advice you may have gotten there, but if there is in fact a problem with the communication of the two sides of your brain (problem or not, improving it cant hurt anyway), there is a tool that is supposed to help. I think its the same one that Randy is talking about.
Its called Holosync.
Check it out here.
http://www.centerpointe.com/
A couple of people I know have used it and said they got good results. Mandy and I have been using it for a month or two, not sure if we are really getting results from it yet, it would be too hard to tell as we just have too many changes happening in our lives besides that..

Anyway, I’d be happy to send you a CD copy of it if you’re interested.

Anyone else used it on here?

cheers
Boris

Maaaate,…whats going on. I am sorry to hear you were having a rough trot. I also have been very confused as to what direction to take in life,

there are so many paths. I went to see a keniesiologist, if thats how you spell it, and he told me that the right side of my brain was not properly communicating

with the left side. Maybe the Ibo’ stops the firing from the left to the right side of the brain for a while so we can experience the spirit, I don’t know,..if this is the case

maybe we also have everything material fall apart for a while,..Mmmm confused,..how to put this across??? It is so hard to put feelings into words sometimes.

Maybe our power of manisfitation is depleted for a while as our minds are stilled,..and materialy we do not get what we need to kick along,..I don’t know ,..just

thoughts.

Ok,…I noticed when you got back from your Ibo’ trip,…financially everything stagnated for a while,..things of a material nature seemed to fall apart, this is what also

happened to me,…I was confused,..my mind was not firing properly,..I found it hard to work. Cash flow got a bit serious. I am only starting to get mental motivation now.

I am still unsure what to do with the rest of my life,….is this also what you are feeling. This being opiate free for me is almost alien,..although it is wondorously

wonder full. We have awakended.

I love you my beautiful brother.  Keep on keeping on.

love, Jasen.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (For Randy and all) boosting gooses

Hey everybody. Thanx so much for your concern. Some of you know that I have had a rough time lately. All self induced because of the perception I had about life. I’ve changed some things, a lot of things matter of fact, here as of late, but I KNOW I need a booster or something. I’ve been talking about it for a couple of months now. I just didn’t do anything about it. I just want to say that most of you are right. If you think you need a booster or another treatment, you do need it. I shouldn’t have waited this long, but I had a lot to do. Now I still have a  lot to do, but I will get to where I need to go and get a booster as fast as I can. looks like I can pull it off by next weekend. I have a new job that fits perfectly with what I want to accomplish in the next few years. I can’t believe how lucky I am sometimes. The guy I work for is cool about Ibogaine and is willing to let me take a few days off when I need to. My plan is to kick ass for the rest of this week and all of next week, get paid and head for Bwitiland. Aint it a shame we have to go to such lenghts to get a booster? I could go get a script for 60 mgs a day of methadone tomorrow, but I have to put a lot of things in a row to get a mmmmmmmmm lets see……… a 4mg per kg booster. That shit aint right. We ought to be able to get Ibogaine from our doctors anytime wee need it. We can’t sooooooo, what the fuck, I like it underground, it’s cooler there, in more ways than one.    Randy

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