Ibogaine List Archives – 2005-07

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: August 1, 2005 at 12:03:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What I think he’s trying to tell us is that…..um….no scratch that, I
have no idea what he’s on about.  Such a cryptic person non?  Never know
what he’s saying!!
;o)
Lirky

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2005 2:08 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Are you trying to tell us something, here, Preston?
;}
you go…
love
tink

On 7/31/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that
chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great
together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:09:03 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

times have changed in Fl
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In 1981 in Florida a friend of mine was caught at school with seeds but no pot- the police could not arrest him because seeds were not illegal.
Weird.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Some Canadian figures on withdrawals after rapid detox.
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:01:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Some Canadian figures on withdrawals after rapid detox.

Measurement of Symptom Withdrawal Severity in a 24-Hour Period After the Anesthesia-Assisted Rapid Opiate Detoxification Procedure. Teplin D, Raz B, et al.  American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse (2005) 31;2:327-335

Dear Colleagues,
These authors from Canada should be commended for joining the small group who report aspects of outcomes after commercial rapid detox procedures.  However, the only outcome reported here is a clinical withdrawal rating at 1 and 24 hours after the rapid detox procedure in 40 subjects, 70% of whom were dependent on heroin and/or methadone.  It is not clear if they were consecutive or chosen in another manner, ‘retrospectively’.  Seventy five percent of subjects were Caucasian with the remaining 25% Asian.

In this seven page article, the ‘results’ section takes eight lines, using the somewhat clumsy wording: “The average [withdrawal score] for the group supports lowered symptoms over a 24-hour period.  For 5 out of 40 patients this was not the case, that is, their change scores were negative, which indicated increased withdrawal symptoms”.  So, as well as for some whose symptoms became worse over 24 hours, another proportion would have had no significant change in withdrawal ratings, yet these are lumped with the former 35 of 40 subjects given the procedure.  It is disappointing that the authors do not apparently trust readers with the raw data, even in a graphic form, giving only a block table of averaged scores.

Prospective patients, families and others may be disappointed that a novel, expensive treatment for a chronic condition is only examined for one single day in this publication.  It may reflect a prevalent view that some such facilities are less interested in the long term outcomes than in performing the procedure and ‘moving on’.  This institution has done more than most by publishing a series of outcome findings in a peer reviewed journal.

I have looked up the institution on a web search and found two matches.  One quotes a figure of $5300.00 (Canadian) for a procedure [http://www.westerndetox.com/price.html accessed 16/7/05], while the FAQ site is ‘under construction’ which would be something of a disappointment for prospective addicted candidates [http://www.canadadetox.com/English/faq.asp accessed 16/7/05].

Another of the linked pages states “As it stands now, 6-8 out of 10 patients who are detoxed successfully will relapse in the first six months, back to their drug of choice. In an effort to dramatically improve those numbers, our centre encourages that all patients participate both in the Naltrexone Pellet Maintenance Program and a structured aftercare program conducted by an addiction specialist.”  [Thus the suggested treatment will cost more if the naltrexone ‘pellets’ are chosen.]

Thus because the procedure has such a poor reported success rate, the clinic advises an untested and unregistered sub-cutaneous drug treatment as an optional ‘add-on’.

Everyone in the field knows how earnestly many of our patients are seeking abstinence.  It may be this factor which clouds some people’s judgment and fuels the use of expensive and unproven approaches.  The first unhappy reports of rapid detoxification for opiate addiction were from 1899 [MacLeod, N. Cure of morphine, chloral, and cocaine habits by sodium bromide. Brit Med Journ (1899) 15/4/1899 p896].  The procedure may well be appropriate for some candidates but until some selection criteria are reported with outcome results, we will remain in the dark.

comments by Andrew Byrne ..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524  Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1418817.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” http://www.csdp.org/addict/
My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:58:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In 1981 in Florida a friend of mine was caught at school with seeds but no pot- the police could not arrest him because seeds were not illegal.
Weird.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] oops
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:22:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

this is the one i actually liked…
love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:07:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are you trying to tell us something, here, Preston?
;}
you go…
love
tink

On 7/31/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that
chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great
together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sunday night in Ogunquit….
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:06:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Having a fit of silliness, I went outside to smoke a butt and blow some bubbles.
Here’s what I found about about bubbles and 3-D lighting tonight…
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 10:02:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know actually, but I can say with very recent experience that chocolate mushroom candies and sex go great together- incredibly great together actually. Really, really, really great together.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’ll make it to the moon if I have to crawl
Date: July 31, 2005 at 9:21:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I finally got the job that I wanted, which will pay me for the whole
year, but I only have to work at April through October, and it comes
with benefits.  I can finally breathe again!!  I may bitch about
everything, but, after reading through some of the first things I
posted, and comparing quality of life, I have travelled a million
miles in the last few months.
Thank you all for all of your support, and long live the underground!!!
love
tink

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:16:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dana:I was living in the city, fringe yippie, circa 67-70. I remember Ruben but not you.  Banana Dave was big, Electric Circus, we handed out German one fenning coins, which was 1/4 of 1 cent and fit the subway turnstile. I worked at the Filmore East b/4 Wooodstock.  any of this sound familiar? ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 29, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Vernor Vinge. I can lend them to you. Great books. “God Shatter” is a lot like what happened to Philip Dick, or Ibogaine.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:08:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In Federal Court in the US, the accused is prosecuted on the yield of the seeds. A handful of seeds is tantamount to hundreds of kilos of reefer…end result, life sentence unless one rollsover.  Bill of Rights, scratch it.   Sentencing guidelines handcuff judges and the US attorney gets to play god.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 31, 2005 at 12:21:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I’ve seen alot of new moons laying on my back.  I envy your youth which you will lose and wonder what the hell happened to it.  Enjoy, it’s a rite of passage..I wasted mine staying wasted. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Morning Wood” <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

sorry for arrogant tone its a process saw a new moon
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com>
wrote:
> Dear Ron,
>
> Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going
for you than a lot of o
ther
> people.  It may be hard to believe but, total
doses of only 10 mg or 20 m
g of
> ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant
effects on mood
> improvement and the ability to make better
decisions.  I’m not talking ab
out forever
> but, even for a week or so.  As with most people
you will probably not wa
nt to do
> it longer.
>
> I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell
but, have a life full
of
> romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM,
rwd3@cox.net writes:
>
> << May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler
who started in ’64.  Dru
gs
>
> have been the source of every problem I have ever
encountered that was of
>
> any significance.  I have gone from the gutter,
crawled out, crawled back
>
> and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of
dignity I ever had.  Mo
re
>
> power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak?
No discipline?  Bad
>
> genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my
bad.  Today I flutter in
>
> limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just
like me.  Today’s basement
in
>
> tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.
No romantic stories t
o
>
> remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs,
countless arrests, thousand
s
>
> wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink
anything and win,  yet
I
>
> still persist. Some on this list truly want to
help guys like me who can’
t
>
> help themselves,  others think they’re straight
because they don’t shoot
>
> dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off,
afford another session an
d
>
> allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the
nearest Doc that’ll work w
ith
>
> me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this
forum , reading the arroga
nt
>
> postings of members who live in tolerant places,
recounting the
>
> philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It
was my search for sobrie
ty
>
> that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I
make it.. To the ravers,
>
> shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to
you..have fun,  my wor
ld
>
> is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not
a blame game , I put
>
> myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but
there are times when I real
ly
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:36:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/31/05 6:47:37 AM, morning_wood263@yahoo.com writes:

<< acts 5:18-19 >>

Acts 5

18They laid hands on the apostles and put them in a public jail.

19But during the night an angel of the Lord opened the gates of the prison,
and taking them out he said,

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:11:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thankyou…he had a weird reaction to a wasp sting and a spider bite
shortly there after
and said something about insect protein based amino acids, and i was
checking to see if there was any relation to the protein types in all
the things that throw him into hystamine reaction, and
anyphlectic(sp?) shock. Wasps, and spiders and mushrooms oh my
love ya
tink
On 7/31/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
high in vegetable proteins, chitin, iron, zinc, fiber, essential amino
acids, vitamins & minerals.
But it is more likely he is allergic to the spores…(mold growths..)
Here’s a link I found..

http://www.aerias.org/kview.asp?DocId=129&spaceid=1&subid=3
luff
kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 5:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 31, 2005 at 6:46:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

acts 5:18-19
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
ROFLMAO…

On 7/30/05, Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces
of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for
Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed
such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be
canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US
officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana
Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the
highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a
cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored
Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US
and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc
Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival,
as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and
other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy
to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money
laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by
selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a
criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of
tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal
attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal
distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug
dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant
raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam”
district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite
when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that
Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the
United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that
one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related
“crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local
Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more
serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum
sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon,
Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s
extradition, which could take
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: July 31, 2005 at 2:29:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Jerr!!!!!
I’ll  just add it to my collection!!! Must have about 1000 of them now! Geez, I’m really onto it aye? Talk about fix things promptly………not even…
Anyway, just wanted to thank you!!
Luff kirk J
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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 2:03:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

high in vegetable proteins, chitin, iron, zinc, fiber, essential amino
acids, vitamins & minerals.
But it is more likely he is allergic to the spores…(mold growths..)
Here’s a link I found..

http://www.aerias.org/kview.asp?DocId=129&spaceid=1&subid=3
luff
kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 5:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] protein and mushrooms
Date: July 31, 2005 at 1:16:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does any one know hat sort, if any, of proteins are in mushrooms? The
garden salad variety…
Thank you
tink
My dad is horribly allergic…researching

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:32:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Vector and slwone… thanks for input..
Still have mail going to freenet (old account) but have removed that from
outlook express mail checker.Just go online to check it from web incase that
was causing problems. Have checked clearnet settings seem to be ok…just
haven’t got around to phoning the experts at clearnet..who it turns out have
a “free” helpline unlike freenet who I just got $13 of bills from talking to
a complete idiot who didn’t know jackshit about anything. Lol
It’s only happened recently… I think when I subscribed to a new server
(kol) and didn’ use freenet for a couple of months, then let kol sub lapse,
so resubbed to freenet.. . THAT is when the probs started.
Also… and you can verify this with Patrick….concept mail has no human
beings running it.  Nor did freenet help for a long long time… but they
couldn’t even help when they did decide to reply and all they had to say was
run a virus check on YOUR server immdediately!!!!!  (my server?? Huh??) and
no reply since I wrote to ask how I did that…..
The story so far…
Kirk 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 11:38 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News

Kirk, are you still subscribed at your old addr?

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:28:58 -0700 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting
from clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through
concpet.net.nz? do they run all email for the internet for
alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:38:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk, are you still subscribed at your old addr?

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:28:58 -0700 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting
from clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through
concpet.net.nz? do they run all email for the internet for
alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

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Subject: [Ibogaine] big attachments, breathing, and the sun
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:32:47 PM EDT
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Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The bush pix are great (but filled my mailbox).

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:28:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jerry tried to post a yahoo html message to email, it did go through. I
don’t know what dbmail-smtp is and I’m too lazy to look it up but if
you read the headers, mindvox uses qmail. Unless you have a account on
the mindvox servers, there is no way it would know mailbox of user
captkirk is full, because there is no local mailbox for captkirk on
mindvox.

Wherever it is that you get email, accepts the msg and then sends out
spam saying the mailbox is full. If its not full and you keep getting
all the msgs, then something you have is configured wrong.

This is your personal email, why not contact postmaster@concept.net.nz
and show them the msg. That’s your mail server according to the error
message. If the problem is your internet provider, then it’s their
support staff’s job to help you. If the problem is your own email
reader I don’t know what to tell you but the staff at your internet
provider should help you configure it.

I stopped being lazy and looked for dbmail-smtp errors on google 😉

I would mail postmaster@concept.net.nz and tell them this.

What I don’t understand is what concept.net.nz is. You’re posting from
clear.net.nz why is all your mail going through concpet.net.nz? do they
run all email for the internet for alot of local providers?

You changed accounts but it’s the same error msg from concept.net,
something has not changed.

.:vector:.

http://mailman.fastxs.net/pipermail/dbmail/2004-September/005309.html

dbmail-smtp error

Ilja Booij ilja at ic-s.nl
Wed Sep 1 17:12:05 CEST 2004
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Hmm,

that looks alright.. strange

can you add -v to the command, like this:

dbmail  unix    –       n       n       –       –       pipe -v
flags= user=dbmail:dbmail argv=/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d
${recipient}

perhaps you’ll get some useful output. Please bear in mind that you’ll
get lots of output!
Please also set DBMail’s debug level to 5.

Ilja

David Young wrote:

Ilja, this is my entire master.cf file.  The dbmail line is all the
way at
the bottom.

smtp    inet    n       –       n       –       –       smtpd
-o content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024
pickup  fifo    n       –       y       60      1       pickup
cleanup unix    n       –       y       –       0       cleanup
qmgr    fifo    n       –       y       300     1       nqmgr
rewrite unix    –       –       y       –       –
trivial-rewrite
bounce  unix    –       –       y       –       0       bounce
defer   unix    –       –       y       –       0       bounce
flush   unix    n       –       y       1000?   0       flush
smtp    unix    –       –       y       –       –       smtp
showq   unix    n       –       y       –       –       showq
error   unix    –       –       y       –       –       error
local     unix  –       n       n       –       –       local
virtual unix    –       n       y       –       –       virtual
lmtp    unix    –       –       y       –       –       lmtp
smtp-amavis unix –      –       n       –       5       smtp
-o smtp_data_done_timeout=1200
-o disable_dns_lookups=yes
127.0.0.1:10025 inet n  –       n       –       –       smtpd
-o local_recipient_maps=
-o smtpd_restriction_classes=
-o smtpd_helo_restrictions=
-o smtpd_sender_restrictions=
-o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject
-o strict_rfc831_envelopes=yes
uucp      unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender –
$nexthop!rmail.postfix
($recipient)
ifmail    unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=F user=ftn argv=/usr/lib/ifmail/ifmail -r $nexthop
($recipient)
bsmtp     unix  –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags=Fq. user=foo argv=/usr/local/sbin/bsmtp -f $sender $nexthop
$recipient
dbmail  unix    –       n       n       –       –       pipe
flags= user=dbmail:dbmail argv=/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d
${recipient}

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ilja Booij” <ilja at ic-s.nl>
To: “DBMail mailinglist” <dbmail at dbmail.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Dbmail] dbmail-smtp error

There’s probably an error in your dbmail-smtp command. Please show us
your entry for dbmail-smtp in master.cf (in the postfix config)

Ilja

David Young wrote:

Does anyone know why I’m getting this error?  This is from the
maillog

and I don’t know how to go about tracing the problem.  I just know I
get a
lot of these every day.  Is there a way for me to make postifx/pipe
spit out
the exact command it’s sending to dbmail-smtp so I can figure out
what’s
wrong with the syntax?  By the way, I’m running
Postfix->amavis->spamassassin->postfix->dbmail I believe.

Thanks,
David

Aug 29 04:43:35 trinity postfix/pipe[19867]: C3B60D00F:

to=<user at example.com>, relay=dbmail, delay=1, status=bounced
(command line
usage error. Command output:  *** DBMAIL: dbmail-smtp version
$Revision:
1.46 $ (c) 1999-2003 IC&S, The Netherlands  Usage:
/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -n [headerfield]   for normal deliveries
(default: “deliver-to”)        /usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -m
“mailbox” -u
[username] for delivery to mailbox (name)
/usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -d [addresses]  for delivery
without
using scanner        /usr/local/sbin/dbmail-smtp -u [usernames]  for
direct
delivery to users  )

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Dbmail mailing list
Dbmail at dbmail.org
https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail


Ilja Booij
IC&S B.V.

Stadhouderslaan 57
3583 JD  Utrecht
www.ic-s.nl

T algemeen: 030 6355730
T direct: 030 6355739
F: 030 6355731
E: ilja at ic-s.nl

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Dbmail at dbmail.org
https://mailman.fastxs.nl/mailman/listinfo/dbmail


Ilja Booij
IC&S B.V.

Stadhouderslaan 57
3583 JD  Utrecht
www.ic-s.nl

T algemeen: 030 6355730
T direct: 030 6355739
F: 030 6355731
E: ilja at ic-s.nl

— Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Jerry can you post the failure email you get please?  It sounds like
the
exact same thing I get, and it’s ONLY when I post to Ibogaine. Better
yet..
here’s my one. I’ve changed servers even cos I thought it was them
but
apparently not.  Is your failure notice similar to this one?

Thanks

Kirk

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

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could not
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:13:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO…

On 7/30/05, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take
six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting
for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from
Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have
been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put
barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business
records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was
no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his
compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to
use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to
citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in
1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US
since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and
prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by
MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise
human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland
MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to
seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining
the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would
only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of
CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs
and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the
world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana
seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store
on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who
note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business.
And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid
ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many
marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government
which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest
is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your
fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as
if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration,
even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going
to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our
culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the
cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:58:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um……. what the hell is this Sacrament of Transition, and what’s it got
to do with Satan and the price of fish?  And why is it so secretive that it
shouldn’t appear in public??
Juss curious
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Marko [mailto:marko@mindvox.com]
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 3:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan;
Sacrament of Tr…

Don’t worry, there will be no split in the Sacrament of Transition 😉

Marko

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the
SOT
church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will
start
the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of
Transition.  Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out
before it
comes to  this!

Piece,
Sean

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:56:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jerry can you post the failure email you get please?  It sounds like the exact same thing I get, and it’s ONLY when I post to Ibogaine. Better yet.. here’s my one. I’ve changed servers even cos I thought it was them but apparently not.  Is your failure notice similar to this one?
Thanks
Kirk

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From: jerry harville [mailto:jharville@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2005 3:13 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News

Hello Again! Must be something wrong with my email system. I keep getting “failure ro deliver”

notices. If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry  

jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

Subject: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:17:47 -0500
From: “Harville, Jerry” <JHarville@dallasairmotive.com>
To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
http://news.sbc.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050727/ts_latimes/lovingothersrejects;_ylt=AnslUbrasVDpA2ux5zr03wGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] hawaiian ohana
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:33:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Ho’okahi no hulu like ia po’e”
Those people are all of the same feather

“A family is a place where minds come into contact with one another.
If these minds love one another the home will be as beautiful as a
flower garden.  But if these minds get out of harmony with one another
it is like a storm that plays havoc with the garden.”
-Buddha

“No kekahi o kakou ka pilikia malaila pu kakou a pau”
Should one of us get into trouble we will all go that way.

“Ka hana a ka makua o ka hana noia a keiki”
What parents do, children will do

love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hi tink, mudvayne, Kabbalah… 😉
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:17:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I read your email, went out and got into my car, and they played a
block of mudvayne…
Glad to hear you two are well!!
More after this BBQ we’re about to have.
love tink

On 7/30/05, Boris <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Heya tink!!
Really happy to hear you’re doing well 😉

(wasn’t ignoring ya, computer hiccups last couple of days, fixed now)

Unrelated to anything much, listening to one of my favourite metal bands
atm – Mudvayne (interesting name?).

They have a song called Not Falling, which I like to put on at times
when a little strength help is required.
A friend of mine says this song got him through stopping smoking pot. I
just never get sick of listening to it.
For those times you’ve just gotta grit your teeth and push on through
😉

(not at all reflective of my current state of mind, btw, Mandy and I are
doing really well!)

And speaking of “middle pillar path”, for any aspiring Qabballists
amongst yas, a book Mandy is reading atm:

“Kabbalah’s Twelve Step Spiritual Method to End Your Addiction” by
Gerald Gillespie.
(name chosen by the book’s publisher, not author, apparently the author
is horrified by it)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561719609/qid=1122717033
/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9664604-9667828?v=glance&s=books&n=5
07846>

MUDVAYNE – Not Falling

Always, known in, all my time,
A little left of center now
Reflect as I realize,
That all I need is to find the middle pillar path to sit like
the sun by a star in the sky and
Just be.
Sinners, casting stones at me

I… I stand, not crawling, not falling down
I… I bleed the demons that drag me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Goodbye, sunshine, I’ve put it out again, sad
I’m over, personalities, conflicting, I don’t need
you, or anyone, but me, I’ll just be, living
My own life
I feel my glowing center grow, infecting
I feel alive
Shovel dirt over lime, plant it in myself to sit like a seed
under covers of earth and just be
Sinners, pointing fingers at me

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Come play kill
Refuse my body, refuse my shadow
Stond cold will
Refuse to lead this, refuse to follow
Bitter pills
Refuse to feed this, refuse to swallow
I’m fueled godless

Come play, come play
Kill
Just be, just be

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that drag me down (for me and no one else)

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back
in the 80s,
early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to
having the
pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could
simply find
a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the
went to la-la
land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure
centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the
mind, giving
people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them
were impossible but under these internal biological
programs, they
could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs
called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain
and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but
then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing
in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t
remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread
them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one
used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the
author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the
alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy
with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right
person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right
guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think,
if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action
cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read
fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m
thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness” Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
(due out
Sept. 2005) Cont. High Times mag/.com Cont. Editor
http://www.disinfo.com Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new
therapy for
the severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like implant that sends tiny electric shocks to
the brain.
The Food and Drug Administration’s clearance opens
Cyberonics Inc.’s
vagus nerve stimulator, or VNS, as a potential treatment for an
estimated 4 million Americans with hard-to-treat depression –
despite controversy over whether it’s really been proven to work.”

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] two ibo items from MAPS newsletter
Date: July 30, 2005 at 3:19:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

11. Up to $5,000 Grant Awarded to Iboga Therapy House
MAPS awarded a grant of up to $5000 to the Iboga Therapy House (ITH)
<http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/> for assistance in setting up a new
for-profit ibogaine clinic in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The ITH was forced to
shut down in August of last year when they unexpectedly stopped receiving
funding that enabled them to offer treatments for free. In the year of the
clinics operation, they treated 31 people with drug addiction free-of-cost
while funded entirely by marijuana seed entrepreneur Marc Emery. The grant
will primarily go to paying a salary for Program Director Sandra Karpetas,
while she builds a new business and therapeutic structure for the clinic.
They plan to start treating people by the end of this year.

12. Ibogaine Association Clinic Re-opened After Death of Patient
In the last Bulletin, I reported that the Ibogaine Association
<http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/>, a small clinic in Tijuana, Mexico had
unexpectedly shut down on January 21, 2005, causing data collection to come
to a halt for MAPS ibogaine outcome study. The cause for this sudden closure
was a patient who died after taking ibogaine. At the time the Bulletin went
to press, the autopsy report had not yet been released from the San Diego
County Medical Examiner’s Office, and so MAPS postponed releasing this
information until the cause of death was known. On June 6, 2005, we received
a copy of the autopsy report. It stated that the patient died of natural
causes, a heart attack, unrelated to ibogaine administration. This patient
was not in good health at the time of treatment, and suffered from
fibromyalgia and chronic opiate pain medication dependency, which probably
contributed to this patient’s death. The clinic closed briefly after the
incident, and then re-opened several weeks later after making several staff
and procedural changes. An additional MD from Mexico and a Naturopathic
Doctor from the US have been added to the staff in order to increase the
presence of medical personnel, and more emergency medical equipment is now
in place in case of future need. At this time, MAPS has not made a decision
on whether to resume ibogaine research at the Ibogaine Association or to
focus our efforts on the Iboga Therapy House in Vancouver. Go to the MAPS
ibogaine page to track developments on this project:
<http://www.maps.org/ibogaine/>

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:15:52 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

who is this guy?  The DEA is just another word for US government.  What store owner can withstand an attack by the US?  These guys run foreign countries.
—– Original Message —– From: “kevyn at the Cluster” <kevyn@pagancluster.org>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:59 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada

Just a note, in case you had not yet heard.
The DEA excersised a warrant, remember the DEA is AMerican, not Canadian, to shut down and seize his store in Vancouver.
Then had a press conference, with alot of lies about how much a bad man Marc is.
Then they arrested him in Halifax, on the other coast, still in canada, and have asked to have him extrodited to the US for trial.

what is going on here, where the US can now use their law in Canada?

I will try and find the relevant email contacts and such for anyone interested

kevyn, in Alberta

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo in Mexico and everyone gets rich
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:10:10 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eric may not have the credentials that some others on the list have, and he may enjoy the trappings of money as many credentialed providers do, however I found the the guy working with him, Tommy,  a dude who is very focused on sobriety , to be caring , conscientious and connected to many valuable resources as was Eric. I was surprised.  Tommy, if you find him, is a great provider. Nicely framed credentials are not necessary to be caring and giving.  However,  the hard academic achievements of those that have them certainly does not diminish their capacity to heal, it’s just sometimes those folks focus on that to their detriment.  I know highly educated, qualified people who have lost out on opportunities flaunting their diplomas,  underestimating the human equation.  An example would be the US electing  our current President for 2 terms,  love him or hate him but the human equation defiantly played the key role. I still suffer so my thinking and reasoning skills are certainly open to criticism. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:51:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean, Thanks! I have already found lots of information and support just knowing so many folks are trying to do something to help themselves and others.I live in Texas and it gets pretty scary down here. I see where the troopers have moved against Mr. Emery in B.C. not a good deal.

Jerry

UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi Jerry,

Glad you came out of the lurking shadows to join the educational, maddening, entertaining coffee bar/crackhouse/shooting gallery/,12 step, “rationally recovering,” book discussion,and all around freakish site which is Mindovox.   Seriously though, I hope you find what you need and find some support and hope here.

Peace,
Sean

From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:17:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t worry, there will be no split in the Sacrament of Transition 😉

Marko

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the  SOT
church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will start
the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of
Transition.  Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out before it
comes to  this!

Piece,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:39:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jerry,

Glad you came out of the lurking shadows to join the educational, maddening, entertaining coffee bar/crackhouse/shooting gallery/,12 step, “rationally recovering,” book discussion,and all around freakish site which is Mindovox.   Seriously though, I hope you find what you need and find some support and hope here.

Peace,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Tr…
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:26:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/30/2005 7:48:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, marko@mindvox.com writes:
Unfortunately, Dana (North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition), or anyone else (except me and the H1gh Pr!3sT), cannot speak
in the name of whole Sacrament of Transition.

Hi all,

I cannot see what is happening quite clearly. There will be split in the SOT church. One side will keep the original name while the other side will start the “real” SOT with a name like The True and Only Holy Sacrament of Transition. Happens all the time. Hope Dana and Marco can work this out before it comes to this!

Piece,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:22:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/30/2005 11:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, jharville@sbcglobal.net writes:
If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry

The link was there, as well as the story at the bottom.

S

From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 11:12:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Again! Must be something wrong with my email system. I keep getting “failure ro deliver”

notices. If anyone got this note and read read the link about the Chens please post and let me know if the link made it. Thanks, Jerry

jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

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To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>

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Loving Others’ Rejects
By Ching-Ching Ni Times Staff Writer Wed Jul 27, 7:55 AM ET

ANDING, China — Chen Shangyi makes a living as a scavenger. He prides himself on having a good nose for unusual finds. So when he saw a crowd clustered around a white bundle at the local train station one day while he was hunting for empty soda cans and soy sauce bottles, he couldn’t resist taking a peek.
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It was a baby, wrapped in a thin sheet.
“Everybody was just looking. Nobody would do anything,” recalled Chen, who was 65, already retirement age, on that bitterly cold, snowy day 17 years ago.
“When I took her home, she was frozen stiff. My wife and I wrapped her in a burlap bag…. We started a fire. We fed her soup and put some old clothes on her. A while later, she started to wiggle.” Chen named her Ling Ling.
Today, the sturdy 82-year-old with deep lines on his sun-baked face still makes a living as a scavenger in this remote Chinese town of 460,000 people on the edge of the Gobi Desert. And he is still bringing home children — 42 in all, at last count.
Many were abandoned because they had been born with some form of physical disability. Over the years, Chen has developed such a reputation as a keeper of castaway kids that even the local officials send them his way. They know Chen would not reject any youngster, no matter what imperfections the child had.
“Nobody else wants them because they are afraid of trouble,” said Chen’s 81-year-old wife, Zhang Lanying. “They think these children are dirty. But I pity them. They are human beings.”
As the most populous nation, China is home to the largest disabled population in the world: about 60 million. Despite a 14-year-old anti-discrimination law that guarantees equal rights, society’s attitude toward the disabled has been slow to change. Disabled access in public places is rare. Employment prospects are grim.
In recent years they have made up only about 5% of the general population, but mentally and physically disabled people account for about one-third of the unemployed, and their living conditions are worse than those of able Chinese.
For some Chinese parents, the prospect of watching their disabled children experience a lifetime of stigma is too terrible to bear. According to recent media reports, Beijing police took in more than 400 children abandoned in the Chinese capital alone last year, about 80% of them born with physical deformities, organ abnormalities or mental impairment.
“I’d say 99% of the children here were abandoned because they were born with severe disability,” said Shi Guihua, a staff worker at a welfare center in a Beijing surburb that pays foster families to take care of about 600 children. “Many of them were left on hospital benches by parents who can’t afford to treat them.”
Towns such as Anding, in northwestern China’s impoverished Gansu province, don’t have such welfare centers, which are funded by the state and corporate donors.
Local officials say they send castaway children to Chen because they have no other way of caring for them. A new orphanage sits empty — it takes too much money to operate it.
Instead, the officials pay Chen and Zhang to do the work for them: less than $80 per month for the eight children the couple now care for.
That meager sum, plus the little cash Chen earns picking trash and all the love the couple can muster, has been enough to save a number of children from certain death.
Chen, who has only a first-grade education, worked as a laborer for years. After the economic reforms of the late 1970s, he started peddling tea drinks at the train station and collected garbage on the side.
After becoming a full-time parent, he gave up the tea business.
His first wife left him long before that, taking their two children, who are now in their 60s. He married Zhang more than 50 years ago. They have no children of their own. But they say they have cherished every one of the youngsters who have come into their three-room brick shack across the street from the train station.
Their oldest now is 12-year-old Yuan Yuan. She was born with a lump on her skull the size of a peach. Someone had left her in the yard of the municipal building. No one wanted anything do with this scary-looking child, probably then a year old.
Chen took her home.
Chen and Zhang finally saved enough money to pay for an operation three years ago to remove the growth and allow Yuan Yuan to live a more normal life. It cost about $80. Like the other children, she calls Chen and Zhang Grandpa and Grandma, or yeye and nainai.
“We love our grandparents. They work so hard for us,” said Yuan Yuan, who during a lunch break from school helps out washing the dishes, pouring hot water into thermoses and bringing chairs for yeye and nainai. “I don’t miss my parents,” Yuan Yuan said. “They are so cruel. They left us because they knew we were sick.”
Their youngest child is 2-year-old Ling Ling, named after the baby Chen found at the railway station. The baby never recovered fully from being left in the snow and suffered from frequent coughs and seizures. She never crawled or walked, and died when she was 4.
Chen found Ling Ling’s namesake crying in an alley. Born with a hunchback and uneven legs, she was just days old. Now the round-faced girl with big, pretty eyes loves to cling to yeye and nainai and keep them company while most of the older children are in school.
“If you throw a puppy out on the street, someone might pick it up, but throw a baby out on the street and no one bothers,” Zhang said as she cuddled Ling Ling close to her chest.
The sickest child in the household is 9-year-old Long Long, paralyzed and suffering from liver disease. Chen found him one day when he went to fetch water for the household. Long Long, then a baby, was in a paper box under a blazing sun, crying.
“I came home and told my wife. She said, ‘We already have too many children; we can’t take on any more,’ ” Chen recalled. “I sat on my stool and just couldn’t get over it. So I went and brought him home.”
While Long Long requires a walker to get around and needs help for virtually everything, Jin Jin, 4, can’t sit still.
Chen found the boy sleeping on a hospital lawn. He was 3 or 4 months old and naked. Nothing appeared to be wrong with him. The older Jin Jin got, however, the more his problems became apparent. The mentally impaired child needs help eating and going to the bathroom, and he often leaps from his seat without warning and dashes into the street.
The other children are used to taking care of him. When he darts out, they drop their own food to go after him. Then they help hold him down on a wooden stool so Zhang can continue feeding him.
Another child in the couple’s home, Quan Quan, was born with a harelip. Chen found him when he was about a year old at the farmers market, crawling in the dirt, eating rotten vegetables.
“Everybody knew he had been abandoned for days and was starving,” Chen said.
“He couldn’t walk yet, and his neck was this thin,” Zhang said, shaping her thumb and forefinger into a ring.
Today, 6-year-old Quan Quan performs well in school and loves to help his brothers. When not keeping an eye on Jin Jin, he plays with a kitten and 10-year-old Qiang Qiang, an undersized boy with a bad heart.
Of the 42 children Chen and Zhang have taken in over the years, 21 turned out to be healthy or suffered from very mild disabilities and were adopted. Thirteen very sick children died.
The loss of Ling Ling, their first child, still hurts the most.
“She was very pretty,” Chen said, pointing to a wall of collage photos showing all his “grandchildren.” One photo shows Ling Ling, with pigtails, dark eyes and a happy smile, sitting on the bed next to yeye and nainai.
“We buried her in a ditch by the river,” Chen said. “We couldn’t afford cremation. Of course we were sad. She was our first child.”
Even when the children are doing well, it’s not easy to support such a large family on the income of a scavenger.
Baby formula is expensive. So Chen and Zhang mix it with flour. Food is expensive. So they often serve only plain rice. In recent years, they’ve met kind people who have donated money for some daily necessities and medical procedures, but the family still lives frugally.
Now Chen worries that local officials may take his children away on the grounds that he is too old to be their caretaker. He believes a recent flurry of media reports about the children that suggested official negligence have embarrassed the officials.
Wang Yanfu, deputy head of the district civil administration bureau, said officials are prepared to rent a house and hire two workers to feed and care for Chen’s children.
“We sent him the kids before because he was young, in his 60s. Now he is too old,” Wang said by phone. “We are trying our best to convince him [to quit]. But if he doesn’t want to, there’s nothing we can do. It has to be voluntary.”
Chen says he can’t trust the government to do what’s best for the children. He said local officials continued to offer him abandoned children until only a few years ago.
“I don’t understand policy,” he said. “All I know is that when they were little, no one would come and help them. They say I am too old. I say I will raise them as long as I can.
“They’ll have to kill me first before I’ll let them take the kids away.”
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: 10th Planet Discovered
Date: July 30, 2005 at 9:43:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Subject: 10th Planet Discovered
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NASA Science News for July 29, 2005

Astronomers have found a new world bigger than Pluto in the outer
reaches of the solar system.

FULL STORY at

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From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CORRECTION!! Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 7:21:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have to correct Dana’s e-mail title… and body…

Unfortunately, Dana (North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of
Transition), or anyone else (except me and the H1gh Pr!3sT), cannot speak
in the name of whole Sacrament of Transition. I understand that he is
deeply affected by what happened to M. Emery, but this doesn’t change
facts.

Dana, as any other priest of the Sacrament of Transition (or follower, for
that matter) can propose such things (and NOT declare!), and then
appropriate actions are taken. I will accept this Dana’s e-mail as a
proposition, and am kindly asking him for further evidence that Emery was
seized by Forces of Satan, as well as evidence by which Emery could be
declared a Martyr and a candidate for Sainthood.

And, I sincerely hope that all future conversation regarding internal
Sacrament of Transition matters will not appear on public mailing lists.

As for Mark Emery, I wish him all the best!

Marko

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Dana Beal wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:59:57 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry for arrogant tone its a process saw a new moon
— tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com
<tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com>
wrote:
Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going
for you than a lot of o
ther
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total
doses of only 10 mg or 20 m
g of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant
effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better
decisions.  I’m not talking ab
out forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people
you will probably not wa
nt to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell
but, have a life full
of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM,
rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler
who started in ’64.  Dru
gs

have been the source of every problem I have ever
encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter,
crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of
dignity I ever had.  Mo
re

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak?
No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my
bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just
like me.  Today’s basement
in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.
No romantic stories t
o

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs,
countless arrests, thousand
s

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink
anything and win,  yet
I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to
help guys like me who can’
t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight
because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off,
afford another session an
d

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the
nearest Doc that’ll work w
ith

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this
forum , reading the arroga
nt

postings of members who live in tolerant places,
recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It
was my search for sobrie
ty

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I
make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to
you..have fun,  my wor
ld

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not
a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but
there are times when I real
ly

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Interesting…..
Date: July 30, 2005 at 6:28:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“History is a collection of lies agreed upon” – Nepoleon Boneapart

Please read the following:-

Start with a cage containing five monkeys.

Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under
it.

Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the
banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold
water.

After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result – all
the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water.

Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other
monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put away the cold water.

Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one.

The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs, to his
surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him.

After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the
stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new
one.

The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked.

The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm!

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth,
then the fifth.

Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not
permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating
of the newest monkey.

After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have
ever been sprayed with cold water.

Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the
banana.

Why not?

Because as far as they know that’s the way it’s always been done round here.

How comfy is your reality blanket??

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi tink, mudvayne, Kabbalah… 😉
Date: July 30, 2005 at 5:56:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heya tink!!
Really happy to hear you’re doing well 😉

(wasn’t ignoring ya, computer hiccups last couple of days, fixed now)

Unrelated to anything much, listening to one of my favourite metal bands
atm – Mudvayne (interesting name?).

They have a song called Not Falling, which I like to put on at times
when a little strength help is required.
A friend of mine says this song got him through stopping smoking pot. I
just never get sick of listening to it.
For those times you’ve just gotta grit your teeth and push on through
😉

(not at all reflective of my current state of mind, btw, Mandy and I are
doing really well!)

And speaking of “middle pillar path”, for any aspiring Qabballists
amongst yas, a book Mandy is reading atm:

“Kabbalah’s Twelve Step Spiritual Method to End Your Addiction” by
Gerald Gillespie.
(name chosen by the book’s publisher, not author, apparently the author
is horrified by it)
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561719609/qid=1122717033
/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9664604-9667828?v=glance&s=books&n=5
07846>

MUDVAYNE – Not Falling

Always, known in, all my time,
A little left of center now
Reflect as I realize,
That all I need is to find the middle pillar path to sit like
the sun by a star in the sky and
Just be.
Sinners, casting stones at me

I… I stand, not crawling, not falling down
I… I bleed the demons that drag me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Goodbye, sunshine, I’ve put it out again, sad
I’m over, personalities, conflicting, I don’t need
you, or anyone, but me, I’ll just be, living
My own life
I feel my glowing center grow, infecting
I feel alive
Shovel dirt over lime, plant it in myself to sit like a seed
under covers of earth and just be
Sinners, pointing fingers at me

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that pull me down (for me and no one else)

Come play kill
Refuse my body, refuse my shadow
Stond cold will
Refuse to lead this, refuse to follow
Bitter pills
Refuse to feed this, refuse to swallow
I’m fueled godless

Come play, come play
Kill
Just be, just be

I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (by myself), not
falling down
I… I bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself), that drag
me down
I… I stand, (for nothing), not crawling, (the center), not
falling down (of calms within the eye)
I… I’ll bleed, (for no one), the demons, (but myself),
that drag me down (for me and no one else)

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back
in the 80s,
early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to
having the
pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could
simply find
a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the
went to la-la
land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure
centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the
mind, giving
people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them
were impossible but under these internal biological
programs, they
could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs
called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain
and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but
then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing
in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t
remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread
them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one
used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the
author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the
alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy
with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right
person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right
guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think,
if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action
cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read
fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m
thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness” Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
(due out
Sept. 2005) Cont. High Times mag/.com Cont. Editor
http://www.disinfo.com Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new
therapy for
the severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like implant that sends tiny electric shocks to
the brain.
The Food and Drug Administration’s clearance opens
Cyberonics Inc.’s
vagus nerve stimulator, or VNS, as a potential treatment for an
estimated 4 million Americans with hard-to-treat depression –
despite controversy over whether it’s really been proven to work.”

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From: “Boris” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogiane related news in July MAPS newsletter
Date: July 30, 2005 at 5:40:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Speaking of Marc Emery…

(full newsletter here:
<http://www.maps.org/sys/nq.pl?id=562&fmt=std> )

11. Up to $5,000 Grant Awarded to Iboga Therapy House
MAPS awarded a grant of up to $5000 to the Iboga Therapy House (ITH)
<http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/> for assistance in setting up a
new for-profit ibogaine clinic in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The ITH was
forced to shut down in August of last year when they unexpectedly
stopped receiving funding that enabled them to offer treatments for
free. In the year of the clinics operation, they treated 31 people with
drug addiction free-of-cost while funded entirely by marijuana seed
entrepreneur Marc Emery. The grant will primarily go to paying a salary
for Program Director Sandra Karpetas, while she builds a new business
and therapeutic structure for the clinic. They plan to start treating
people by the end of this year.

12. Ibogaine Association Clinic Re-opened After Death of Patient In the
last Bulletin, I reported that the Ibogaine Association
<http://www.ibogaine-therapy.net/>, a small clinic in Tijuana, Mexico
had unexpectedly shut down on January 21, 2005, causing data collection
to come to a halt for MAPS ibogaine outcome study. The cause for this
sudden closure was a patient who died after taking ibogaine. At the time
the Bulletin went to press, the autopsy report had not yet been released
from the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s Office, and so MAPS
postponed releasing this information until the cause of death was known.
On June 6, 2005, we received a copy of the autopsy report. It stated
that the patient died of natural causes, a heart attack, unrelated to
ibogaine administration. This patient was not in good health at the time
of treatment, and suffered from fibromyalgia and chronic opiate pain
medication dependency, which probably contributed to this patient’s
death. The clinic closed briefly after the incident, and then re-opened
several weeks later after making several staff and procedural changes.
An additional MD from Mexico and a Naturopathic Doctor from the US have
been added to the staff in order to increase the presence of medical
personnel, and more emergency medical equipment is now in place in case
of future need. At this time, MAPS has not made a decision on whether to
resume ibogaine research at the Ibogaine Association or to focus our
efforts on the Iboga Therapy House in Vancouver. Go to the MAPS ibogaine
page to track developments on this project:
<http://www.maps.org/ibogaine/>

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From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Loving Others
Date: July 30, 2005 at 3:40:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello All,  I have just been lurking and found this while surfing at work.I cut it out and carry it so that if I start feeling the blues I read it.I have been doing fine other than I came down with viral spinal meningitis.Fever of 103.7 and had to be packed in ice….. Ok now.

My situation is that I am a chronic pain patient/recovering person who wants to us IBO to get off the morphine scripted for pain.Long story, many side effects… Just want to try and live with the pain if possable.Waiting for the time off work and I will hook up with one of the great providers that post on this list.I just wanted to let all of you that post on this list that you put out a lot of love, hope and wisdom to many folks that may be like me and are just lurking out in the nether regions.I feel like I am friends with everybody and that we just haven’t met yet. One day I hope to be able to attend a conference and meet everybody.  How about Mr. and Mrs. Chen!

Love to All, Jerry

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
i don’t have a convenient source or a legal one. thanks for the thought/
thoughts?
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

> Dear Ron,
>
> Give yourself a break. You have a lot more going for you than a lot of
> other
> people. It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg
> of
> ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
> improvement and the ability to make better decisions. I’m not talking
> about forever
> but, even for a week or so. As with most people you will probably not
> want to do
> it longer.
>
> I’m not working. Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full
> of
> romantic stories. I guess I lucked out.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:
>
> << May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.
> Drugs
>
> have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
>
> any significance. I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
>
> and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.
> More
>
> power to those that can handle it, I can’t. Weak? No discipline? Bad
>
> genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad. Today I flutter in
>
> limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me. Today’s basement
> in
>
> tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on. No romantic stories to
>
> remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands
>
> wasted. I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win, yet I
>
> still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t
>
> help themselves, others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot
>
> dope anymore. I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and
>
> allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work
> with
>
> me, but I can’t. Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the
> arrogant
>
> postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the
>
> philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for
> sobriety
>
> that led me here and keeps me here. Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,
>
> shroomers, reefer heads, trippers, more power to you..have fun, my
> world
>
> is dark and ugly and I must get out. This is not a blame game , I put
>
> myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I
> really
>
> feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of
>
> him. >>
>
>
>
>
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Loving Others’ Rejects
By Ching-Ching Ni Times Staff Writer Wed Jul 27, 7:55 AM ET

ANDING, China — Chen Shangyi makes a living as a scavenger. He prides himself on having a good nose for unusual finds. So when he saw a crowd clustered around a white bundle at the local train station one day while he was hunting for empty soda cans and soy sauce bottles, he couldn’t resist taking a peek.
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It was a baby, wrapped in a thin sheet.
“Everybody was just looking. Nobody would do anything,” recalled Chen, who was 65, already retirement age, on that bitterly cold, snowy day 17 years ago.
“When I took her home, she was frozen stiff. My wife and I wrapped her in a burlap bag…. We started a fire. We fed her soup and put some old clothes on her. A while later, she started to wiggle.” Chen named her Ling Ling.
Today, the sturdy 82-year-old with deep lines on his sun-baked face still makes a living as a scavenger in this remote Chinese town of 460,000 people on the edge of the Gobi Desert. And he is still bringing home children — 42 in all, at last count.
Many were abandoned because they had been born with some form of physical disability. Over the years, Chen has developed such a reputation as a keeper of castaway kids that even the local officials send them his way. They know Chen would not reject any youngster, no matter what imperfections the child had.
“Nobody else wants them because they are afraid of trouble,” said Chen’s 81-year-old wife, Zhang Lanying. “They think these children are dirty. But I pity them. They are human beings.”
As the most populous nation, China is home to the largest disabled population in the world: about 60 million. Despite a 14-year-old anti-discrimination law that guarantees equal rights, society’s attitude toward the disabled has been slow to change. Disabled access in public places is rare. Employment prospects are grim.
In recent years they have made up only about 5% of the general population, but mentally and physically disabled people account for about one-third of the unemployed, and their living conditions are worse than those of able Chinese.
For some Chinese parents, the prospect of watching their disabled children experience a lifetime of stigma is too terrible to bear. According to recent media reports, Beijing police took in more than 400 children abandoned in the Chinese capital alone last year, about 80% of them born with physical deformities, organ abnormalities or mental impairment.
“I’d say 99% of the children here were abandoned because they were born with severe disability,” said Shi Guihua, a staff worker at a welfare center in a Beijing surburb that pays foster families to take care of about 600 children. “Many of them were left on hospital benches by parents who can’t afford to treat them.”
Towns such as Anding, in northwestern China’s impoverished Gansu province, don’t have such welfare centers, which are funded by the state and corporate donors.
Local officials say they send castaway children to Chen because they have no other way of caring for them. A new orphanage sits empty — it takes too much money to operate it.
Instead, the officials pay Chen and Zhang to do the work for them: less than $80 per month for the eight children the couple now care for.
That meager sum, plus the little cash Chen earns picking trash and all the love the couple can muster, has been enough to save a number of children from certain death.
Chen, who has only a first-grade education, worked as a laborer for years. After the economic reforms of the late 1970s, he started peddling tea drinks at the train station and collected garbage on the side.
After becoming a full-time parent, he gave up the tea business.
His first wife left him long before that, taking their two children, who are now in their 60s. He married Zhang more than 50 years ago. They have no children of their own. But they say they have cherished every one of the youngsters who have come into their three-room brick shack across the street from the train station.
Their oldest now is 12-year-old Yuan Yuan. She was born with a lump on her skull the size of a peach. Someone had left her in the yard of the municipal building. No one wanted anything do with this scary-looking child, probably then a year old.
Chen took her home.
Chen and Zhang finally saved enough money to pay for an operation three years ago to remove the growth and allow Yuan Yuan to live a more normal life. It cost about $80. Like the other children, she calls Chen and Zhang Grandpa and Grandma, or yeye and nainai.
“We love our grandparents. They work so hard for us,” said Yuan Yuan, who during a lunch break from school helps out washing the dishes, pouring hot water into thermoses and bringing chairs for yeye and nainai. “I don’t miss my parents,” Yuan Yuan said. “They are so cruel. They left us because they knew we were sick.”
Their youngest child is 2-year-old Ling Ling, named after the baby Chen found at the railway station. The baby never recovered fully from being left in the snow and suffered from frequent coughs and seizures. She never crawled or walked, and died when she was 4.
Chen found Ling Ling’s namesake crying in an alley. Born with a hunchback and uneven legs, she was just days old. Now the round-faced girl with big, pretty eyes loves to cling to yeye and nainai and keep them company while most of the older children are in school.
“If you throw a puppy out on the street, someone might pick it up, but throw a baby out on the street and no one bothers,” Zhang said as she cuddled Ling Ling close to her chest.
The sickest child in the household is 9-year-old Long Long, paralyzed and suffering from liver disease. Chen found him one day when he went to fetch water for the household. Long Long, then a baby, was in a paper box under a blazing sun, crying.
“I came home and told my wife. She said, ‘We already have too many children; we can’t take on any more,’ ” Chen recalled. “I sat on my stool and just couldn’t get over it. So I went and brought him home.”
While Long Long requires a walker to get around and needs help for virtually everything, Jin Jin, 4, can’t sit still.
Chen found the boy sleeping on a hospital lawn. He was 3 or 4 months old and naked. Nothing appeared to be wrong with him. The older Jin Jin got, however, the more his problems became apparent. The mentally impaired child needs help eating and going to the bathroom, and he often leaps from his seat without warning and dashes into the street.
The other children are used to taking care of him. When he darts out, they drop their own food to go after him. Then they help hold him down on a wooden stool so Zhang can continue feeding him.
Another child in the couple’s home, Quan Quan, was born with a harelip. Chen found him when he was about a year old at the farmers market, crawling in the dirt, eating rotten vegetables.
“Everybody knew he had been abandoned for days and was starving,” Chen said.
“He couldn’t walk yet, and his neck was this thin,” Zhang said, shaping her thumb and forefinger into a ring.
Today, 6-year-old Quan Quan performs well in school and loves to help his brothers. When not keeping an eye on Jin Jin, he plays with a kitten and 10-year-old Qiang Qiang, an undersized boy with a bad heart.
Of the 42 children Chen and Zhang have taken in over the years, 21 turned out to be healthy or suffered from very mild disabilities and were adopted. Thirteen very sick children died.
The loss of Ling Ling, their first child, still hurts the most.
“She was very pretty,” Chen said, pointing to a wall of collage photos showing all his “grandchildren.” One photo shows Ling Ling, with pigtails, dark eyes and a happy smile, sitting on the bed next to yeye and nainai.
“We buried her in a ditch by the river,” Chen said. “We couldn’t afford cremation. Of course we were sad. She was our first child.”
Even when the children are doing well, it’s not easy to support such a large family on the income of a scavenger.
Baby formula is expensive. So Chen and Zhang mix it with flour. Food is expensive. So they often serve only plain rice. In recent years, they’ve met kind people who have donated money for some daily necessities and medical procedures, but the family still lives frugally.
Now Chen worries that local officials may take his children away on the grounds that he is too old to be their caretaker. He believes a recent flurry of media reports about the children that suggested official negligence have embarrassed the officials.
Wang Yanfu, deputy head of the district civil administration bureau, said officials are prepared to rent a house and hire two workers to feed and care for Chen’s children.
“We sent him the kids before because he was young, in his 60s. Now he is too old,” Wang said by phone. “We are trying our best to convince him [to quit]. But if he doesn’t want to, there’s nothing we can do. It has to be voluntary.”
Chen says he can’t trust the government to do what’s best for the children. He said local officials continued to offer him abandoned children until only a few years ago.
“I don’t understand policy,” he said. “All I know is that when they were little, no one would come and help them. They say I am too old. I say I will raise them as long as I can.
“They’ll have to kill me first before I’ll let them take the kids away.”
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From: kevyn at the Cluster <kevyn@pagancluster.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Marc Emery arrested by DEA, in Canada
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:59:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just a note, in case you had not yet heard.
The DEA excersised a warrant, remember the DEA is AMerican, not Canadian, to shut down and seize his store in Vancouver.
Then had a press conference, with alot of lies about how much a bad man Marc is.
Then they arrested him in Halifax, on the other coast, still in canada, and have asked to have him extrodited to the US for trial.

what is going on here, where the US can now use their law in Canada?

I will try and find the relevant email contacts and such for anyone interested

kevyn, in Alberta

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:33:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i don’t have a convenient source or a legal one.   thanks for the thought/ thoughts?
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64. Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had. More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: jerry harville <jharville@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 30, 2005 at 2:31:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Note: forwarded message attached.

Hello all!  I have been lurking a lot.. Nothing really to add.Had a bad patch for a while.Came down with viral spinal meningitis. Had a really “High” fever.Then after being packed in ice and having fans blowing at me for 12 hours and given IV antibiotics, the  fever just broke.Not fun but no lasting damage noticed.Thank god. Anyhoo… I started having short term recall problems ” worse than usual” and spells of nausea. Went into a mild depression for a while but slowly things are getting back to normal. I ran across this story while surfing at work. l cut it out and carry it around with me all the time.When I ever start getting the blues I pull out this story and read it.Puts things in a different light.

For those that don’t remember me I am a chronic pain patient / recovering addict that wants to use Ibo to try and kick the morphine I am scripted for pain.I have been taking meds so long I just want to try and live with the pain.I have lots of side effects that high dose opiates cause.I am shooting for next spring to have 2 weeks off work and go to one of the kind providers that are active on this list.

Thanks so much for all the support you all give out.You do not realize how much love, life and hope you add to a lot of folks lives that are just lurking on this list! I feel like we are all friends that have just not met yet. Someday, I hope to be able to become active and go to some of the conventions.  How about Chen and his wife?

Love,   Jerry

From: “Harville, Jerry” <JHarville@dallasairmotive.com>
Subject: Loving Others’ Rejects – Yahoo! News
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:17:47 PM EDT
To: <jharville@sbcglobal.net>

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 30, 2005 at 1:40:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hard to beat the caption ‘Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of
Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood’

I’m glad that Sacrament of Transition has bestowed such awesome power
and responsibility on you.

Marko and Patrick when will Saint Emery be canonized? 🙂 Will he cover
himself in cannabis and set himself on fire soon?

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in
Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal
Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others
who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff
Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary
store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center
was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they
involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20
years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for
passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take
six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting
for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from
Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have
been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put
barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business
records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was
no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his
compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to
use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to
citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in
1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US
since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and
prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by
MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise
human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland
MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish
soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to
seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining
the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would
only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of
CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs
and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11,
1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the
world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana
seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store
on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who
note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business.
And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid
ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many
marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government
which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest
is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your
fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as
if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration,
even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going
to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our
culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the
cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

____________________________________________________
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:46:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I did the od thing, myself…some ridiculous number in very short
time, and it STILL didn’t stop me.  It took an ass whooping in Miami
for 6 years….don’t do it!!
beatriceblue…keep posting
love ya girl
tink

On 7/30/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2005 7:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.

Hi,

Yeah, that’s the point I got too.  Enough. No fun anymore, really much
harder work than my dayjob keeping up with my habit, which really was not
all that progressed.  But it was far enough for me, and that is what counts.
I was overdosing regularly, and could never seem to get much tolerance,
even though I was getting withdrawal symptoms when I stopped. Read on line
that HIV and HepC seem to make overdose much more common. I really think
that is what was happening to me.  Eleven ODs in one year, and again I was
not a hard-core doper.
Two bags in a day was my limit. Rarely I would use three or four, spread out
over like twelve hours or more.  Overdoing on a regular certainly took the
fun out of dope use.  I am really lucky that there was always someone there
to give rescue breathing, or call 911. Otherwise I would not be here typing
right now.

Please keep posting, you will find the answer.

Peace,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 30, 2005 at 12:41:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 7:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.

Hi,

Yeah, that’s the point I got too.  Enough. No fun anymore, really much harder work than my dayjob keeping up with my habit, which really was not all that progressed.  But it was far enough for me, and that is what counts.  I was overdosing regularly, and could never seem to get much tolerance, even though I was getting withdrawal symptoms when I stopped. Read on line that HIV and HepC seem to make overdose much more common. I really think that is what was happening to me.  Eleven ODs in one year, and again I was not a hard-core doper.
Two bags in a day was my limit. Rarely I would use three or four, spread out over like twelve hours or more.  Overdoing on a regular certainly took the fun out of dope use.  I am really lucky that there was always someone there to give rescue breathing, or call 911. Otherwise I would not be here typing right now.

Please keep posting, you will find the answer.

Peace,
Sean

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Emery seized by Forces of Satan; Sacrament of Transition Declares Him Martyr and Candidate for Sainthood
Date: July 29, 2005 at 9:09:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can do that, you know.

Dana/cnw
North American Apostolic Delegate, Sacrament of Transition

EMERY EMPIRE RAIDED AT REQUEST OF UNITED STATES
Cannabis activist and two others arrested
By Jennifer Garner

Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the
headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver
today (Friday, July 22).

The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the
provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law
enforcement pact authorized by the a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance
in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.

The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested
while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival, as well as two others who
work with Emery on television productions and other endeavours.

American officials accuse Emery of “a conspiracy to produce marijuana
and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering.”

The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to
pot-growing Americans, Emery is engaged in a criminal enterprise with
the growers.

“Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of
marijuana plants in America,” claims US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan.
“[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of
marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer.”
Vancouver police armed with a search warrant raided the legendary store
in the heart of Vancouver’s “Vansterdam” district.

Chris Bennett, manager of Pot-TV who was onsite when the BCMP center was
raided today, said he is particularly angry that Canadian police were
acting as enforcers of American drug laws.

“They’re taking him down to face charges in the United States of
America, where sentences are much harsher that one would face in
Canada,” said Bennett.

Emery has been arrested for marijuana-related “crimes” many times
before, but those other arrests involved local Canadian charges and
jurisdictions. Today’s charges are far more serious because they involve
US federal laws that stipulate mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years
or more.

Last year, Emery served 90 days in a Saskatoon, Canada jail for passing
a joint.

American officials are seeking Emery’s extradition, which could take six
months to a year. If they do seek to extradite him, he will become
another high-profile cannabis activist seeking to fight off American
attempts to prosecute him.

Renee Boje, whose husband works for Emery at BCMP, has been fighting for
years to quash a US extradition order that seeks to take her from Canada
to face prosecution for cannabis in America. Her legal costs have been
funded by Emery.

According to witnesses, police have chained the BCMP doors, put barriers
on the windows, and are dismantling the store to seize business records,
seeds, computers, and other materials.

The raid took place at 11 am. As of late Friday afternoon, there was no
official statement from Emery or any of those arrested with him.

If past behavior is any indication, however, Emery is likely to be
unrepentant, and will fight the charges and extradition vigorously in
front of judges and in the court of public opinion.

The law enforcement treaty (MLAT) that snared Emery and his compatriots
is part of a global American network of treaties allowing the US to use
foreign police agents to investigate and arrest foreign citizens.

MLAT’s help the US to violate civil rights protections and other
constitutional protections that would normally be afforded to citizens
by their own countries.

The first US bilateral MLAT entered into force with Switzerland in 1977.
The treaties are seen as a powerful tool of US foreign policy and
hegemony. Dozens of countries have entered into MLAT’s with the US since
1977, and the treaties are seen as a way for US police and prosecutors
to arrest people no matter where they live, and even if they are not
guilty of a serious crime in their home country.

The treaties favor prosecutors and police, and make it virtually
impossible for defense attorneys to advocate for clients snared by MLAT
operations.

MLAT’s have been criticized in other countries. Critics say US MLAT
actions against foreigners violate international law, compromise human
rights, and violate national sovereignty.

The Irish Human Rights Commission has complained about a US-Ireland MLAT
that allows CIA agents to secretly question Irish citizens on Irish soil.
The MLAT signed by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell and the US
Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny, gives sweeping powers to US
authorities operating in foreign countries, including the right to seize
documents, check bank accounts and carry out searches of property.

The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it would be examining the
agreement, which was pushed through with the promise that it would only
be used to assist the US “war on terror.”

Human rights activists in Ireland are particularly concerned that
interrogations can be carried out in secret, and that the costs of CIA
operations in Ireland will be paid by Irish taxpayers.

The cross-border MLAT efforts sometimes involve enforcement of the
United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and
Psychotropic Substances that was finalized worldwide on November 11, 1990.

It is possible that Emery and his associates would be charged with
violating this Convention. In past years, UN officials have condemned
Emery by name.

The raids leave many questions unanswered.

Although Emery is the highest profile marijuana activist in the world,
who publicly airs reality television shows portraying all aspects of
marijuana culture and who hosts marijuana connoisseur events like the
Toker’s Bowl, he is by far not the only person selling marijuana seeds
across international boundaries.

Vansterdam insiders note that while police were raiding Emery’s store on
West Hastings Street in downtown Vancouver, other marijuana seed
businesses were still open for business, and people were smoking
marijuana while watching the raid.

The issue of selective prosecution is also raised by insiders who note
that US and Canadian officials are aware of massive cross-border
organized crime operations that involve guns, hard drugs, and other
illegality on a scale that dwarfs Emery’s marijuana seed business. And
yet it’s Emery, who donates all the money he earns to non-profit
pro-marijuana causes, who is targeted in an unprecedented raid ordered
by the US.

Protesters are on hand at Emery’s store in Vancouver. The man who has
provided bail money, attorneys, and other support for so many marijuana
arrestees now finds himself in the clutches of the US government which
he, his magazine, and his website so accurately describe as a
totalitarian and imperialist hit squad.
For the man who is often called “The Prince of Pot,” today’s arrest is
the ultimate showdown.

After leaving jail last year, Emery said, “Once you get over your fear
of whatever they can do to you, you become empowered to just live as if
marijuana is legal, without much concern for the consequences they
threaten you with. Whatever they do to me- arrest, incarceration, even
if they kill me- it’s not going to make me live in fear. We’re going to
continue to show them that marijuana should be legal, that our culture
is harmless and vibrant, and that it is the drug war, not the cannabis
culture, which threatens public order and safety.

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 7:08:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I took Naltrexone (also called Revia), which is an opiate antagonist.  It’s what
the use for the Ultra Rapid or what they put people that are clean on it so they
can’t use.  Also they use it for terminally ill patients to keep them from
becoming addicted.  Go figure, huh.  Anyway, I quit cold turkey after over 4
years for using, and the doctor that sent me home with pills sent me home
with Naltrexone also, making sure to tell me not to at it until I returned you
him 3 days later.  I did, he gave it to me, and it was the absolute excruciating
pain I’d ever experience for 3-4 hours.  But, after that I was amazing fine.
Could sleep, felt great and electric.  I’m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.  Crawling out of my skin.  But worried
because it’ no longer some recreation use, it’s now been a 10+ career.

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 7:07:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I took Naltrexone (also called Revia), which is an opiate antagonist.  It’s what
the use for the Ultra Rapid or what they put people that are clean on it so they
can’t use.  Also they use it for terminally ill patients to keep them from
becoming addicted.  Go figure, huh.  Anyway, I quit cold turkey after over 4
years for using, and the doctor that sent me home with pills sent me home
with Naltrexone also, making sure to tell me not to at it until I returned you
him 3 days later.  I did, he gave it to me, and it was the absolute excruciating
pain I’d ever experience for 3-4 hours.  But, after that I was amazing fine.
Could sleep, felt great and electric.  I’m so over this right now I’m willing to
go through it again to feel better.  Crawling out of my skin.  But worried
because it’ no longer some recreation use, it’s now been a 10+ career.

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:47:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have not taken Ibo, I have extensive experiance with Naltrexeone, I would wait at least 15 days after the last opiate in my body before I put Naltrexeone in me. 4-5 days you will know it…
bf
—– Original Message —– From: “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: “Brad Fisher” <brad.fisher@guaranty.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:38:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have not taken Ibo, I have extensive experiance with Naltrexeone, I would wait at least 15 days after the last opiate in my body before I put Naltrexeone in me. 4-5 days you will know it…
bf
—– Original Message —– From: “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:34 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:38:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don’t do it…you don’t need it after ibo.  Not  apleasant substance.
That’s just my uneducated opinion.  How are you, anyway/
Love tink

On 7/29/05, Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibo & Naltrexone
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:34:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

please give me some opinions on taking Naltrexone4-5 days after ibo. Just
curious.  Thank you all!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: A Sunspot Emerges
Date: July 29, 2005 at 6:34:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: SpaceWeather. com <swlist@spaceweather.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2005 4:17 PM
Subject: A Sunspot Emerges
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 29, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

As anticipated, an active sunspot group has emerged over the sun’s
eastern limb, and it is slowly turning to face Earth.  If the spot’s
recent high level of activity continues, Earth-directed explosions
could spark geomagnetic storms and auroras next week.  Visit
spaceweather.com for more information and updates.

You are currently subscribed to spaceweather as: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 5:15:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love you howard!!
tink

On 7/29/05, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 5:11:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,

Give yourself a break.  You have a lot more going for you than a lot of other
people.  It may be hard to believe but, total doses of only 10 mg or 20 mg of
ibogaine taken in the morning can have significant effects on mood
improvement and the ability to make better decisions.  I’m not talking about forever
but, even for a week or so.  As with most people you will probably not want to do
it longer.

I’m not working.  Survived leukemia. Broke as hell but, have a life full of
romantic stories.  I guess I lucked out.

Howard

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs

have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of

any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back

and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad

genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in

limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to

remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands

wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I

still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t

help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot

dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and

allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant

postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the

philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety

that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,

shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world

is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put

myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really

feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of

him. >>

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:57:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 29, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

Vernor Vinge. I can lend them to you. Great books. “God Shatter” is a lot like what happened to Philip Dick, or Ibogaine.

Dana/cnw

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:52:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nam yoho rengaikyo…
(phonetics rock- I know it’s spelled wrong :] )
May you find the peace you seek!
Love you tons
tink

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
thanks mom, love you too
don´t worry i´ll be very safe in a buddhist temple in poland without
talking only sitting zen and bowing and chanting and btw offline the
next 5 weeks
take care
ekki

Am 29.07.2005 um 22:30 schrieb tink:

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
it´s nearly three month past now.
wasn´t a big deal. don´t like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know it´s over.
isn´t that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad it´s over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted,
but
it´s good i don´t live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin
anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:42:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks mom, love you too
donīt worry iīll be very safe in a buddhist temple in poland without talking only sitting zen and bowing and chanting and btw offline the next 5 weeks
take care
ekki

Am 29.07.2005 um 22:30 schrieb tink:

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but
itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:30:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

be safe Ekki!!
It’s not necessary to put yourself in those situations..
love to you
tinkermom.

On 7/29/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but
itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore
where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:27:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

fawn = light brown
i meant some potent Afghan heroin.
itīs nearly three month past now.
wasnīt a big deal. donīt like it anymore.
like you meet someone you once loved and you know itīs over.
isnīt that a melancholic feeling, even if you are glad itīs over?

i have watched someone shoot up a few times and never felt tempted, but itīs good i donīt live in in the turkish/arab quarter of berlin anymore where scoring half a gram for 20 bucks needed 2 minutes.

regards ekki

sorry was not clear.
Am 29.07.2005 um 21:48 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] fawn powder?
Date: July 29, 2005 at 3:48:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/05 10:45:41 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< recently did a line

of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored.  >>

Ekki,

What is fawn powder?

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] zedd and the seeker
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:54:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Zedd shook his head slowly. ‘I told you before. Weren’t you
listening? A Seeker appoints himself.  Before you could become a
Seeker, you had to pass one determinative test.  You had to show me
you could use all your mind. For many years, you have kept part of it
locked away. Your anger. I had to know you could release it, call upon
it. I’ve seen you angry, but you were unable to admit your anger to
yourself. A Seeker who couldn’t allow himself to use his anger would
be hopelessly weak.  It is the strength of rage that give the heedless
drive to prevail.  Without the anger, you would have turned down the
sword, and I would have let you, because you wouldn’t have had what
was required.  But that is irrelevant now. You have proven you are no
longer a prisoner to your fears.  Be cautioned, though.  As important
as it is to be able to use your rage, it is equally important to be
able to restrain it.  You have always had that ability.  Don’t let
yourself lose it now. You must be wise enough to know which path to
choose.  Sometimes letting out the anger is an even more grievous
mistake than holding it in.'”
-from the silly book I’m reading by terry goodkind
love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:49:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love to our mutual friend and you as well…
when are we all going to get together and not use drugs?
:]
tink
On 7/29/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hey Tink,

Great to read your experience as well. The LES NEP has been a life saver for
quite a few people I know.  I plan to volunteer there eventually.  BTW, a
mutual friend of ours sends his best.  Always enjoy reading your posts.

S

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:45:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink,

Great to read your experience as well. The LES NEP has been a life saver for quite a few people I know.  I plan to volunteer there eventually.  BTW, a mutual friend of ours sends his best.  Always enjoy reading your posts.

S

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:38:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 1:15:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, matt@itsupport.net writes:
This seems like a good place to post some of my own story

Thanks Matt for your posting your story.  It does seem that some major changes are necessary after detox for most of us to prevent returning to dope. Only makes sense I guess.
Most of my friends actually found geographical change helpful.  The combination of desire to stay “clean” and being far from the old connections made it much easier for them. A minority got involved with 12 step groups. But for those who can click with those groups, they certainly did seem to help.  I  have accepted that will never be a God believer, so 12 step groups are really not my thing. Fortunately though, there are agnostic meetings of AA nearby which are essentially AA//NA without the steps. I have made some friends there, which helps tremendously. And this list of course and the broader Ibo community.  I’m someone who needs face to face social support as well.  Anyway, thanks so much for your post.

Sean
From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:34:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

After 18 years of heroin and coke, and crack, and whatever else worked
and was available, and multiple trips to methadone clinics and
suboxone docs, i have to say that harm reduction, especially the
wackos at the LES NEP, had a major part in helping me get and stay
clean. They were the only people I knew wouldn’t look at me like a
pariah for stumbling in, wrecked, begging for a rehab.  They always
found me a spot somewhere, and didn’t ostracize me when i came back
for clean works a couple of weeks later, after the next relapse
happened.
I still smoke weed, and occasionally indulge in a glass of wine, but
it hasn’t-as of yet-caused me to feel the need to go out and use
anything else.  The second it does, that’s the end of it.
Progress, not perfection.
I’m sorry that the ibo didn’t work for you, and hope you can find some
peace within yourself.    It’s been a long and brutal road to
semi-sobriety, but I wouldn’t change a second of it.  I’ve learned to
take a step back and view all of the shit I’ve put myself and friends
and family through (as well as the shit I’ve been put through) with
new eyes, and am trying to draw the strength of survival out of the
misery.  I wouldn’t trade the foundation of knowledge I’ve gleened
from all of this, and though I may not be the best person in the
worls, i know that i truly can survive just about anything that comes
my way these days (barring acts of nature and drunk drivers).  As long
as i don’t stick another freakin’ needle in my arm.  Well, leg.
Sending you some light and love, and keep posting.  There are many who
care.  As Sean said succinctly, try not to let the anger and fear of
self to drag you down. We are all worth a decent shot at life, and we
are all worthy of love and diginty.  You can get that from all of us,
if you find yourself a bit on the short side.
Love to you
tink

On 7/29/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:45:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:
May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

Hi,

I hear you.  My crack and then dope/coke addiction (IV) has destroyed my
health, led me to selling my body, my morals and my soul.  Sure there were
times when it was a blast, but when it got ugly, it was really ugly.  Of
course in the end, with the onset of physical addiction to the dope, for me
at least, the good times were over.

I am not anti drug per se. There are those who can enjoy some good weed,
some drinks, and the occasional line of coke or H even. I have met them. I
am also entirely against the war on some drugs and users. Further,  I
support harm reduction, which enabled me to stop when I was ready, without
some former drug user with a urine test and a piece of paper one the wall,
further stripping me of my dignity while telling me I must stop now.
Fortunately I escaped the law almost entirely.

As for those on the list who still toke, drink or trip, I do believe from a
harm reduction viewpoint that they have made great progress in that they are
no longer abusing opiates. Any positive change is the motto of harm
reduction. For me, however, any high makes me long for my true chemical
loves, speedballs or crack.  So I am much happier at the moment without any
drugs (except my morning coffee). Certainly wouldn’t tell others what to
though.

My advice for what it is worth is to seek any means of detox right now it
Ibo is not a possibility for you. Given the difficulties in obtaining Ibo,
it is too risky IMO to wait around for the time and money to obtain it if
you are deeply suffering right now.  I had to detox this last time without
an Ibo treatment for essentially those reasons.  I did experience a booster
dose toward the end of my detox which helped with residual withdrawal, but I
was already 95% though the worst.

My thoughts will be with you today. I hope you keep posting, and more
important that you will get help with detox, by whatever means.  You have
dignity, you have worth. Being a suffering addict does not take that us away
from us. It is our birthright as humans, I believe.
Being a suffering “addict” does not change that.

Peace to you,
Sean

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 1:14:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This seems like a good place to post some of my own story.  I just recently
re-signed up for this list, I subscribed to the old one 5 or 6 years ago.
My story is much like yours Ron, up to a point.  I was addicted to alcohol
from a very early age and suicidally depressed by the time I was 21 and
legally able to drink.  I had always done any drug that came around, and any
drug that came around often was a source of problems.  But alcohol was
always readily available and I always preferred to go down rather than up.
I have experience with just about every drug of abuse and certainly
something from every broad category (upper, downer, hallucinogen,
whatever…).
In my early twenties I substituted heroin for alcohol.  I had tried heroin
before that, but at that point I actually made an effort to stop drinking
using heroin.  By that time I had already tried, given up, tried again, and
given up again, getting sober in AA.  Well the substitution worked and I
became a regular heroin user and a non-drinker and for a time things got
better.  I enjoyed my life again.  Needless to say it couldn’t last and
eventually I started down the road of losing everything of value in my life,
betraying every trust anyone showed me, and crossing every line I had always
said I would never cross.
And then I remembered that I had read in MAPS about ibogaine and it’s
effectiveness in treating heroin addiction.  So I sought out a source,
obtained some and took it.  My first experience was a powerful trip but did
not work for me and even though I was not dope sick, I was using again 3
days later.  So I obtained some more.  The second time was a little
different and I stayed clean for 30 days and then returned to heroin use.
So I obtained it again. The third time I was scared from the power of the
previous experience and my addiction battered psyche didn’t feel up to a
full dose, so I split it with a strung out friend.  We both tripped but did
not have enough even to attenuate the withdrawal very well and both of us
used again within a few days. So being a stubborn motherfucker with a strong
desire for the easiest possible way to get where I want to be, I once more
obtained some ibo, this time a larger dose.  And I once again got scared and
split it with the same friend and even though we both took a greater dose
that time, it did not work and we both returned to using.
So I gave up on ibo.  I used heroin for a few more years, wound up homeless,
friendless, penniless, etc…  Did crimes and begged spare change for money
and lost every ounce of self-esteem I ever might have accumulated.  I got
the methadone to try and get off the heroin and all I really did was start
using both.  The methadone helped me stay well enough to do what I had to do
to get the money for heroin.  Predictably, I wanted to die once more.  I
moved into my Father’s garage and got him to pay for my methadone and I had
no job and no friends and no reason to live.  I was in my early thirties by
then.
So after a few years of that, I decided to give ibo another try.  I had off
and on stayed in touch with the person who helped me obtain it the other 4
times and I contacted him and he sent it to me again.  And that is where my
story changes.  It worked.  I had a spiritual experience.  I could describe
more or less in words what my interpretation was of what happened but I
could never actually relate it in a way that is as meaningful as the
experience was so I usually just stick to the vague but accurate description
that I used above and say that I had a spiritual experience.
As soon as I got clean I knew I had to change some things about how I lived
and operated in this world or I wouldn’t stay clean.  My friend who I
mentioned above, who did the ibo with me, had gone to NA and somehow managed
to get and stay clean while I was living in my Dad’s garage still.  We had
both on and off made half hearted attempts to get clean in NA over the years
but until he got clean it had never worked for either of us.  So within a
few days of getting clean with the ibo I started going to NA regularly.  Now
I have been clean for two years.  And not to offend anyone who uses the word
differently, everyone gets to have their own experience, but when I say
clean I mean the way they use the word in NA, which means nothing stronger
than caffeine or nicotine.  But just for the record I quit smoking using the
patch about a month before I took ibo so for me caffeine is the strongest
drug I have taken in a two years now.
I think that my last ibogaine experience resolved my most basic objection to
12 step recovery, which was all around the word God.  The ibogaine gave me
an understanding of what that word can mean that works for me and it’s not
actually any different from the description I saw in Ekki’s post below
about, ” universal impersonal merciless relentless love”.
The irony of all of this is that while I have never shared openly with the
NA community as a whole about my ibogaine experience, I have recently begun
to share it with more people in NA, and some of them are threatened by it.
A drug that interrupts drug addiction is antithetical to some of NA’s most
basic premises.  Namely that when, “we take drugs in any form we release our
addiction all over again.”  Since NA is basically my community these days,
(I hang out with people from NA, my friends are all in NA, I met my
girlfriend in NA, my boss is in NA, etc…) I feel a little like I have to
keep my understanding and experience about ibogaine to myself so as not to
alienate myself.  I get that their closed mindedness is really their issue
not mine, but they are members of the community where I have chosen to make
my home.  I want to stress also that not everyone I have spoken to about it
is so threatened, but the fact that any of the people who I consider to be
my friends was, came as a bit of a shock to me.
Anyway, that’s my story.  I hope you see some hope for yourself in there Ron
because I don’t believe anyone passes the point of no return from addiction
until they are actually dead.  So as long as you’re still posting here,
there’s a chance for you to experience being clean too.
Matt

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:37 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More
power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad
genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in
limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in

tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to
remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands
wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I
still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t
help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot
dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and
allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with

me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant
postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the
philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety
that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers,
shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world
is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put
myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really
feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of
him.
—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are
really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey
on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with
tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides,
emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small
doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in
nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants
to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent
condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you
won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where
there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions
and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every
weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for
dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and
smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like
states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of
high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together
with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem,
feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections
on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console
games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope.
the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a
vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating.
when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but
synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my
moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on
autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm
breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo
is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to
pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me.
then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was
like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and
motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my
eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating
in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i
focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose
down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and
then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a
switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him
watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless
relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and
left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was
dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness
and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify
with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the
body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where
a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of
the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will
be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood
what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short
walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the
old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision
all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last
few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply
without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit
exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better
than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug
addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line
of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h
but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of
withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great
preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need
for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

PS here two photos from the other night i recently wrote about,
unfortunately not very good ones, but the only ones i got. i´m the guy
in the olive shirt.

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 11:52:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/29/2005 10:45:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:
May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs
have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of
any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back
and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More

Hi,

I hear you.  My crack and then dope/coke addiction (IV) has destroyed my health, led me to selling my body, my morals and my soul.  Sure there were times when it was a blast, but when it got ugly, it was really ugly.  Of course in the end, with the onset of physical addiction to the dope, for me at least, the good times were over.

I am not anti drug per se. There are those who can enjoy some good weed, some drinks, and the occasional line of coke or H even. I have met them. I am also entirely against the war on some drugs and users. Further,  I support harm reduction, which enabled me to stop when I was ready, without some former drug user with a urine test and a piece of paper one the wall, further stripping me of my dignity while telling me I must stop now. Fortunately I escaped the law almost entirely.

As for those on the list who still toke, drink or trip, I do believe from a harm reduction viewpoint that they have made great progress in that they are no longer abusing opiates. Any positive change is the motto of harm reduction. For me, however, any high makes me long for my true chemical loves, speedballs or crack.  So I am much happier at the moment without any drugs (except my morning coffee). Certainly wouldn’t tell others what to though.

My advice for what it is worth is to seek any means of detox right now it Ibo is not a possibility for you. Given the difficulties in obtaining Ibo, it is too risky IMO to wait around for the time and money to obtain it if you are deeply suffering right now.  I had to detox this last time without an Ibo treatment for essentially those reasons.  I did experience a booster dose toward the end of my detox which helped with residual withdrawal, but I was already 95% though the worst.

My thoughts will be with you today. I hope you keep posting, and more important that you will get help with detox, by whatever means.  You have dignity, you have worth. Being a suffering addict does not take that us away from us. It is our birthright as humans, I believe.
Being a suffering “addict” does not change that.

Peace to you,
Sean

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)
Date: July 29, 2005 at 10:37:14 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

May I just chime in as a 55 year old traveler who started in ’64.  Drugs have been the source of every problem I have ever encountered that was of any significance.  I have gone from the gutter, crawled out, crawled back and in the end, stripped myself of every shred of dignity I ever had.  More power to those that can handle it, I can’t.  Weak? No discipline?  Bad genes? Who knows? Did IBO , it didn’t take…my bad.  Today I flutter in limbo, hanging on to a job defending guys just like me.  Today’s basement in tomorrow’s penthouse on this rollercoaster I’m on.  No romantic stories to remember…. broken relationships, lost jobs, countless arrests, thousands wasted.  I can’t pop, snort, shoot , smoke, drink anything and win,  yet I still persist. Some on this list truly want to help guys like me who can’t help themselves,  others think they’re straight because they don’t shoot dope anymore.  I wish I could take 3 weeks off, afford another session and allow my body to heal or travel 15 hrs. to the nearest Doc that’ll work with me,  but I can’t.  Maybe I die lurking on this forum , reading the arrogant postings of members who live in tolerant places, recounting the philosophical differences in their IBO trips. It was my search for sobriety that led me here and keeps me here.  Sure hope I make it.. To the ravers, shroomers,  reefer heads,  trippers, more power to you..have fun,  my world is dark and ugly and I must get out.  This is not a blame game , I put myself here and maybe I keep myself here, but there are times when I really feel like I’m doing all I can yet I can’t get out. ron, or what’s left of him.
—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II)

a word of CAUTION for beginners: don´t try this yourself unless you are
really experienced and know what you are doing. After my major journey
on iboga last december, which freed me from addiction, i started with
tiny doses together with nature, music, meditation, train rides,
emailing or sports. when i started clubbing on IBO i did very small
doses the first few times. note that you are relatively unprotected in
nightlife and you´ll meet some unplesant drunks. in case anyone wants
to try this: know yourself and make sure your body is in excellent
condition. don´t mix with alcohol or other drugs on no account (you
won´t want any anyway) except some weed if you like.

it´s problematic to promote ibo as a drug for raves in a time where
there is a struggle to get it approved as medication against addictions
and when a lot of kids heedlessly mix all kinds of drugs at raves every
weekend. still for me personally iboga became the number one for
dancing, small doses keep me awake and functioning, enjoying music and
smalltalk. higher doses get me into visionary possession trance like
states.

so here is my report from last saturday night:

went alone to a drum&bass party at about 1am and ate 10g of
high-quality rootbark powder(ca.5%alkaloids) within 90min, together
with lots of water from the sink in the toilet. no stomach problem,
feeling strong and good. in the main hall there were video projections
on each wall above the crowd,  alienated cut-ups from 8-bit console
games and stuff like that, very cool, also they had a red stoboscope.
the music was dark, hard and sinister and i enjoyed it a lot. i saw a
vibrating net of blue lines everywhere. the room itself was vibrating.
when i closed my eyes i saw abstract visuals, not really graphic but
synaesthetically mixing with music and movement and very bright. all my
moves and muscles, from tip to toe, were controlled running on
autopilot like in possession trance. quicksteppin 16th parts on 190bpm
breakbeats and mighty dubby basslines while trippin full force on ibo
is cool beyond description. but it got much better. when i sat down to
pause two girls i didn´t know came by and shared their blunt with me.
then there was a streetsign with an arrow pointing left, then it was
like in a racing game for playstation and a symetric ballet of cars and
motorcycles started and i thought nice but i don´t care and opened my
eyes and closed them again and then i could see the music oscillating
in my head, at the same time standing still like a sculpture. i
focussed on my breath and it was sparkling pure light running from nose
down into stomach, rising up to breast sinking back to stomach and
then: boooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! everything complete. like a
switch was operated. everything was seen from the other side, only Him
watching His. the veil lifted. universal impersonal merciless
relentless love. infinite in time&space. after a while i got up and
left the club, although it was relatively early, 6am. i felt i was
dragging a lifeless corpse to the subway. suffering, pain, unhappiness
and illness during the rest of my life will help me to only identify
with the not-self self and to attain the true inner death before the
body dies i thought and i remembered a documentary recently on tv where
a zen-master in japan showed the grave of his teacher and the graves of
the teachers before and he pointed to an empty spot where his ash will
be buried one day and he smiled and laughed and suddenly i understood
what´s so funny about that.
back at home alone i layed in bed most of sunday except for a short
walk through the forest and paying a visit to my father in the
old-peoples home. everything perfect and still and this bluish vision
all day long.
on sunday evening i was very tired (slept only 4-5hrs/night the last
few weeks and being awake since saturday 5am) and then slept deeply
without deaming, 10 hours in a row. on monday i was still a bit
exhausted but already able to do some sports and function in the world.

how iboga operates is truely magic. what it did for me is far better
than anything expected. i could never image to get back to drug
addiction. would be like going back to high school. recently did a line
of the famous fawn powder and felt so bored. once fell in love with h
but that seems to be like in a past life. looking back the circle of
withdrawal and relapse, the loss of self-respect and hope, is a great
preparation and training for letting go of one´s self. and then no need
for h or c after tasting some of the real wine.

cheers
ekki

PS here two photos from the other night i recently wrote about,
unfortunately not very good ones, but the only ones i got. i´m the guy
in the olive shirt.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 4:16:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wowwww Preston… its very rarely I feel like that,,, but that is EXACTLY where I’m stewing.  And because of my own stupid naieve country girl type idiotic views of this completely fucked up dishonest dog eat dog chomp people like me up and spit us out then shit n piss on us just for a laugh…..where do I live????? Butterflies n Zebras, n fairytales, that’s all I ever think about, flying with the wind.
Shoot me now please I don’t belong here.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 6:44 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

Thanks Lorenzo. Sitting here in a very angry, fuming, hurt feelings mood, so thanks for the comment, I needed to see it. (Not hurt over the “10 percent” comment, something completely unrelated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lorenzo
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans 

— ekki wrote:


> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:43:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Lorenzo. Sitting here in a very angry, fuming, hurt feelings mood, so thanks for the comment, I needed to see it. (Not hurt over the “10 percent” comment, something completely unrelated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lorenzo
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki wrote:

> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:27:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me.<

American Gods was pretty cool though.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

> I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
> you
> asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
> books.
> The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
> brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

> heroin
> and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
> to
> just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
> representation of
> the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:26:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here :)<

LOL, awwww, that’s not true Vector, it’s closer to something like 9.9999899998989989 percent of them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Patrick posted this a long time ago, I think the list grew by 500
people every six months since late 2000, then topped 7,000 when Matt
Drudge linked the KRON Deborah & Patrick show from the front page of
his site. The KRON video if you missed it was a news broadcast that was
a 10 minute long ibogaine commercial for Dr. Mash and Patrick and
featured nobody except them.

If you’re not in the US, Matt Drudge has a huge readership, he is like
the Howard Stern of yellow journalism, his version of watergate was
breaking the Clinton and Monica Lewinsky story. He’s also a ultra
conservative republican who put ‘hallucinogen that cures drug
addiction’ on the front page of his site. Which is a lot more then any
ultra liberal publication has ever done. How’s that for irony 🙂

His site may be ultra conservative, but millions of morons load it up
each day. His hit rate is higher then Fox News, the main disinformation
station in the US 🙂

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=drudgereport.com

The list is probably over 10,000 subscribers over all the years,
Patrick said the real number was closer to 5,000 since people signed
off or the list threw them off when their mail started bouncing, Howard
listed it as 6,000 in 2004.

I’ve been on here since the first 6 months, maybe 2,000 people have
posted something over all those years and maybe 500 people have written
more then 95% of all messages here.

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

MindVox is a little psychotic 🙂 in spite of or because of this, it
still hits higher then any other ibogaine site:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.mindvox.com

It’s at 500,000, a slow week 😉 Not that Alexa is all that accurate
either because it doesn’t list spyware free browsers like firefox,
safari, but for comparison, ibogaine.org is at 4.5 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.org

Ibogaine.co.uk is at 5.1 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.co.uk

Most other ibogaine sites hit so low they aren’t even tracked.

Alexa doesn’t track mail, only browsers. If MindVox ever mirrors the
list to a php web portal, it will probably hit the top 1,000 within a
month 😉

Someone should pay be a salary or give me email @phantom.com already.
I’ve been asking for 4 years now 😉

.:vector:.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 29, 2005 at 2:24:35 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A
FIRE ON THE DEEP <

Who wrote these?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang in AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 29, 2005 at 12:36:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

go preston
it’s your birthday
:] love ya
tink

On 7/28/05, Lorenzo <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com> wrote:
I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content
and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all
messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From:
Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of
humans

— ekki wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

________________________________
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From: “Lorenzo” <lorenzo-aguila@excite.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:50:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I like reading Preston, his messages are always well written, have content and some good thoughts or real emotions. If he has written 10% of all messages good for him!

Cheers
Lorenzo

— On Thu 07/28, Vector Vector < vector620022002@yahoo.com > wrote: From: Vector Vector [mailto: vector620022002@yahoo.com] To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans

— ekki wrote:

> is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?
>
Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

Join Excite! – http://www.excite.com
The most personalized portal on the Web!

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:35:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you Ekki.

tink

On 7/28/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
thanks vector,
and dear all 5000++ people, herewith i send you intimite lovely
greetings! this was meant personally!

cheers
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:34:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good Omens… ROFLMAO!!!!!
love ya kirkie
tink

On 7/28/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Humourous authors rock… Terry Pratchett  disc world novels.. light good
English humour , Robert Rankin (the case of the voodoo handbag..funny
funny),
Need laughter.
Can’t exist without it.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 9:11 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:44:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Humourous authors rock… Terry Pratchett  disc world novels.. light good
English humour , Robert Rankin (the case of the voodoo handbag..funny
funny),
Need laughter.
Can’t exist without it.

—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2005 9:11 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Randy Safe.
Date: July 28, 2005 at 6:38:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Somewhere,..deep in the jungle,..are living some little men and women,
they are our past,…and maybe,…maybe they are our future.

Deep Forest.

Hey Randy,…I am glad you are safe,..not to nice having a gun to your
head.

I love you bro’.

with love, Jasen.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:44:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks vector,
and dear all 5000++ people, herewith i send you intimite lovely greetings! this was meant personally!

cheers
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:23:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Be safe ekki…
love ya
tink

On 7/28/05, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
while the sore throat quickly went by i cannot recommend echinacea
after ibogaine.
both increase pulse rate and i felt it is a strain on the heart,
especially when drinking coffee on top of it.

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:35 schrieb ekki:

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being
wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s
already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now
this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of
rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on
monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was
busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i
remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of
continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to
take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after
doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:20:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Let’s not forget Margaret Atwood and Orson Scott Card, though
addiction has nothing to do with their work, and there’s always Ursala
K Le Guin.  And Frank Herbert.
Let’s hear it for spice…
love tink

On 7/28/05, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:11:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Most sci-fi books I really liked by good authors, didn’t have any
understanding of addiction at all and it makes for a fake, plastic
hero, anti hero, whatev.

Stephen King has one of his main characters in the Gunslinger cycle
being a junkie from NYC before changing worlds. He has a hard time
getting off heroin and the man in black who is the villain of the
series, fucks with his head alot by promising to open a gateway through
time to NYC in the 70s to 90s, so he can score heroin 😉

Philip K. Dick is great, William Gibson was great but I’ve gotten bored
of what he is doing nowadays. Neil Gaiman did amazing art with his
Sandman series but his novels haven’t done anything for me. I read some
of the Ringworld novels when I was in high school but can’t place the
one you guys are talking about.

.:vector:.

— Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but
since
you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld
books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of
his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on

heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s
ability
to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair
representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong

that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a
cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY &
A
FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang
in
AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction
because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for

sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 5:05:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

Patrick posted this a long time ago, I think the list grew by 500
people every six months since late 2000, then topped 7,000 when Matt
Drudge linked the KRON Deborah & Patrick show from the front page of
his site. The KRON video if you missed it was a news broadcast that was
a 10 minute long ibogaine commercial for Dr. Mash and Patrick and
featured nobody except them.

If you’re not in the US, Matt Drudge has a huge readership, he is like
the Howard Stern of yellow journalism, his version of watergate was
breaking the Clinton and Monica Lewinsky story. He’s also a ultra
conservative republican who put ‘hallucinogen that cures drug
addiction’ on the front page of his site. Which is a lot more then any
ultra liberal publication has ever done. How’s that for irony 🙂

His site may be ultra conservative, but millions of morons load it up
each day. His hit rate is higher then Fox News, the main disinformation
station in the US 🙂

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=drudgereport.com

The list is probably over 10,000 subscribers over all the years,
Patrick said the real number was closer to 5,000 since people signed
off or the list threw them off when their mail started bouncing, Howard
listed it as 6,000 in 2004.

I’ve been on here since the first 6 months, maybe 2,000 people have
posted something over all those years and maybe 500 people have written
more then 95% of all messages here.

Preston has personally written 10% of all the messages that ever
appeared here 🙂

MindVox is a little psychotic 🙂 in spite of or because of this, it
still hits higher then any other ibogaine site:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.mindvox.com

It’s at 500,000, a slow week 😉 Not that Alexa is all that accurate
either because it doesn’t list spyware free browsers like firefox,
safari, but for comparison, ibogaine.org is at 4.5 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.org

Ibogaine.co.uk is at 5.1 millionth.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=ibogaine.co.uk

Most other ibogaine sites hit so low they aren’t even tracked.

Alexa doesn’t track mail, only browsers. If MindVox ever mirrors the
list to a php web portal, it will probably hit the top 1,000 within a
month 😉

Someone should pay be a salary or give me email @phantom.com already.
I’ve been asking for 4 years now 😉

.:vector:.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:58:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Matthew Shriver wrote:

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

Yes, but his defining characteristic was that he had a will so strong that he could walk away from any addiction. Oriental strong man– a cliche character, really, like Pham Nuwen in A DEEPNESS IN THE SKY & A FIRE ON THE DEEP or Raghunath Rao in the BELISARIUS series or Chang in AGENT OF CHAOS.

OTOH, we all know of people who simply walked away from addiction because they were very determined and self-possessed. A minority, for sure.

Dana/cnw

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] .ppt
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:54:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 28.07.2005 um 14:47 schrieb darkmattersfo@comcast.net:

Try this link, I don’t know this site personally, but I googled it.

http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00153.htm

thanks! there was a link to icWord and i sucked a commercial demo. need to wait 20 sec before it starts and crashes when trying to open Anderson_Ibogaine05.ppt
microsoft´s viewer only runs on os 9 and i kicked that a while ago. no wonder everyone installs office x with a crack if it´s such a hassle to view ppts on mac.

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] lots of humans
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:49:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is it true that 4000 people are subscribed here?

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:46:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

while the sore throat quickly went by i cannot recommend echinacea after ibogaine.
both increase pulse rate and i felt it is a strain on the heart, especially when drinking coffee on top of it.

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:35 schrieb ekki:

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:07:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Randy,

Glad you are OK.  Never been jumped or help up “clean.”  Must suck even more in way. Good to have you posting again, and again happy that you were not harmed physically.

Sean

From: “Aristide NGUEMA” <aristide.nguema@laposte.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] About Iboga
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:53:09 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 9:05:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Randy, I have no idea whats she is afraid of or why the data is not published. Please ask her.
Good luck and peace.

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:47:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Try this link, I don’t know this site personally, but I googled it.

http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00153.htm

Am 28.07.2005 um 08:17 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

does anyone know a freeware powerpoint viewer for mac os x?

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 8:16:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well yall, call me crazy but I’m going back to finish the outside of that house today. Dark grey trim with light grey everywhere else. It ought to look good when I’m done with it.  Love to all and Ibogaine to those who need it.            Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 28, 2005 at 7:54:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If I had a steady supply of both the money and the ibogaine, I would still be seriously considering ibogaine maintenance, but things haven’t worked out quite the way I had figured a few months ago. I am still interested in doing so, since I still use opiates and do know my tolerance will go back up no matter what I do it seems- but perhaps maintenance would help me keep that in check.
If I do start with that sort of thing at some point, I’ll let you know.
But actually, so far I prefer the idea of the occasional re-set if you will- from once every 6 weeks up to waiting 6 month intervals- really actually whatever I feel is necessary at any given point- anywhere from a large booster dose (in my mind at LEAST a 600, up to a gram- not a measly 300 booster, which didn’t really do much for me beyond the four hours I felt its effects physically, doing not much of anything to reduce my tolerance at that point- 600 was MUCH better, but still coulda been better still at a gram weight “booster” in my opinion, in my own case) all the way to full treatment dose levels.
As we all know, I take personally the comments about people using ibogaine merely to continue their useage of opiates, and to those who snipe every so often about that, I say, take a flying leap. You’ve got the right idea in my mind Krista, HARM REDUCTION, and getting the most out of the least amount of opiates you need is DEFINITELY PREFERABLE to NOT using ibogaine to do so merely because some people think it too “holy” or “sacred” a plant to use in such manner. Hum-bug I say, hum-bug!
;0-))
Hope this helps somewhat.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston

Preston I’m very curious, you mentioned that you were starting the
ibogaine maintenance with opiates at the same time. Did you take a
booster and then start, or start afterwards when you had reset your
tolerence?

I know this conversation upsets some people on the list but I am far
more interested in harm reduction then what some person decides is
that right choice for everyone and with the exception of Patrick’s
paper and people on this list, there is no other information on this
topic at all.

Thank you Preston if you share, if you don’t want to or prefer sending
private email I would appreciate it.

KV

On 7/16/05, Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

Patrick’s article at
<http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame>
says, “Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and opioids.” –
are there other known or suspected risks of using them together?

_________________________________________________________________
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 4:01:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 28.07.2005 um 08:17 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

does anyone know a freeware powerpoint viewer for mac os x?

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:17:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/28/05 12:50:00 AM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

<< AS for the backstreet comment.that’s what happens when something is
illegal.
it has to go underground, that doesn’t necessarily  mean the backstreet
practitioners are ugly nasty people. But yes I agree a better synonym could
have been found, but at this point in time I am unfamiliar with the
“backstreet Ibogaine providers” that perhaps some people have come across. >>

Hi Captain,

You might find both my written and powerpoint presentations from the New
Orleans Harm Reduction conference of interest.

http://www.doraweiner.org/tohave_hrc.html

http://www.doraweiner.org/have_have_not.ppt

Best as always,

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 2:12:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

aim me captenator…
i love you!!
tink

On 7/28/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Yeh, and just maybe there’s the not so cool back street ibo providers?   I
truly don’;t know but I DO know where money is involved I’m fair fucking
sure there will be the vultures in there to try and make money on this…. No
matter what is involved to do it…. Yay to those who found the good ones,
word of mouth usually takes care of that… but I guarantee there’s been some
people really fucked over by those in the community who have no conscience.

And then, I should say, just ignore me I just been fucked over and I’m
feeling really dumb about it and I don’t like myself so much.

________________________________

From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 5:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I
believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of
treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground
route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley
abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to
get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality
treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts
who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper
middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users
come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always
be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the
states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.
But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed
mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:59:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh, and just maybe there’s the not so cool back street ibo providers?   I truly don’;t know but I DO know where money is involved I’m fair fucking sure there will be the vultures in there to try and make money on this…. No matter what is involved to do it…. Yay to those who found the good ones, word of mouth usually takes care of that… but I guarantee there’s been some people really fucked over by those in the community who have no conscience.
And then, I should say, just ignore me I just been fucked over and I’m feeling really dumb about it and I don’t like myself so much.
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 5:07 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.  But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]OT the robbery
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:43:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve been busy today and didn’t have a chance to explain myself about getting robbed. I was at work yesterday and painting my ass of I might add when I get down off of my ladder to move it and take a break. There are these young dudes hanging around with some of the carpenters and what not, drinking ice water with us and had been there for about 45 minutes. No big deal. Well when every one splits up to go back inside to go back to work, I’m left alone with the young mother fuckers I’ll call them now when one of them pulls what looks like a gun, ( he kept it under his shirt) out and his buddy pulls a knife and they take every thing I had. I couldn’t believe it. I was at work and got robbed. This isn’t that bad of a hood either. I talked to the father of the kid with the gun and he said he would take care of it for me. I guess they were 16 or 17 years old. Crack heads allready. The shit is getting deep everywhere. I hate this. These are just kids. They won’t see 25 if they don’t stop. Love and Kevlar        Randy

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:07:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Capt.,

I am well aware of the costs of running a clinic.  It is just a reality, I believe, that very few addicts can avail themselves of that kind of treatment because of the financial factor. So most will go the underground route.   Some of the finest people in the Ibo world have been back alley abortion providers at some point. Kind, compassionate, broke…but driven to get ibogaine out there to those that need it.

I don’t begrudge providers like Mash a penny, if she offering quality treatment in a safe environment. I still believe, however that only addicts who are either still functioning (job, etc.), or those from at least upper middle class families are going to come up with the dough.  Opiate users come from all walks of life, as we all know.  So there certainly will always be a clientele for the clinics.  Too bad we can’t have them here in the states.  Too bad there cannot be assistance for those without the means.  But such is reality. In the meantime there is methadone I guess.

Been enjoying this real time conversion, but in deference to overstuffed mailboxes, I going to quit posting for tonight.  See ya’ll tomorrow.

Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 1:03:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The “back alley abortionists” do a hell of a treatment.  All hail the
underground, indeed!!  They saved my ass, and went on a limb, and
still mother me.  I couldn’t have asked for a better experience.
While I was forunate enough to have access to a treatment with Mash a
bizillion years ago, I certainly couldn’t’ve done it twice.  When I
called the first time, she answered her phone herself, and talked to
me as well as my family when they were convinced i was trying to stick
them for $12,000 to “trip in the Carribean”.
When I called her about how much number two would be, I got a rude and
abrupt woman who said “It’s $10,000.” and hung up.  Not one returned
call or email.
I couldn’t’ve afforded even half, but she didn’t know that.
I digress par usual…
Anyway, I hear ya,  down to the suck and fuck sentiments.  I’ll stick
a gun in my mouth before I ever…but those absolute statements have a
funny way of coming back around to stick their collective feet up my
ass.
Love to you…I’m going to become fabulously wealthy and start an
iboganaut trust fund for treatments. Start a traveliing caravan of
freaks. You want in? :]
Love to you, Sean
tink
On 7/28/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist
element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or
so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back
ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to
appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I
know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US
dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting,
etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a
way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely
possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for
junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:53:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You want snot??? I got snot.
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:
was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…
Hey Tink,

Personally I enjoy a little snottiness on this list. Especially when it’s honest.  Too much bliss and light and all that rot can drain me after a while. So here’s to snottiness!

Luv ya,
Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:49:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You go run a clinic………….with all the appropriate people (from receptionist to cleaners to docs to nurses to orderlies. Who ever they need to run the place, THEN all the materials required, shit paper, buckets for puking, beds linen towels, oh yeh laundry service) THEN come back and say that’s a lot of money.
Sure it is for most of us. But I blew that much last year on really dumb ventures.. so I know I can get it.
I don’t think that it’s fair to attack an actual clinic.. which is more than just ONE person doing the providing.. at what?? Several thousand??
Think about it.
AS for the backstreet comment…that’s what happens when something is illegal… it has to go underground, that doesn’t necessarily  mean the backstreet practitioners are ugly nasty people. But yes I agree a better synonym could have been found, but at this point in time I am unfamiliar with the “backstreet Ibogaine providers” that perhaps some people have come across.
C.K.

From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:30 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting, etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:46:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:
was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…

Hey Tink,

Personally I enjoy a little snottiness on this list. Especially when it’s honest.  Too much bliss and light and all that rot can drain me after a while. So here’s to snottiness!

Luv ya,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:41:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I assumed she was an MD because she was doing so much research science. I may be wrong and am searching for the answer. It may be that she feels only highly educated, trained people like herself should provide Ibo treatment. I know that completely disapproves of self treatment or underground treatment. Of course being in the US this makes her viewpoint quite establishment.   She makes sure that her Ibo treatment is off US borders as to not break the law.

I imagine if (a really big if) Ibo is legalized in the US the state would insist on certain credentials concerning who could offer Ibo treatment. In the meantime, for financial reasons among others, many will seek out those back ally abortion providers (Mash’s phrase.) I heard one such person at the New Orleans Harm Reduction conference declare himself proud to be just that, if it means he man make ibogaine treatment available those who cannot travel for treatment.

BTW, there is nothing like a harm reduction conference. I highly recommend attending one.
I am looking forward to Oakland 2006.  I had a blast in New Orleans. Learned a lot too.

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:29:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

Personally I feel that that treatment centers like Mash’s bring a classist element into ibogaine treatment.  Only addicts who can shell out $12,000 or so are accepted for treatment at St. Kitts (I have been told.)  The “back ally abortion providers” tend to be sliding scale and are better able to appreciate the financial shape of the average junkie.  While many junkies I know can boost, do sex work, etc., to come up with a hundred or more US dollars a day, $12,000 is simply undoable.

Actually $1200 is a struggle. Perhaps the idea of boosting, prostituting, etc., in order to detox does not compute. Where there’s a will there is a way.  Family, friends, etc., can even make at the most $5000 remotely possible for a hard core junkie. $12,000 just ain’t happening.

I know I was not about to blow some repulsive fuck for Ibo, but I did for junk and crack.

Cheers!

Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:04:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wasn’t disagreeing

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
PhD is an anacronym for piled higher and deeper.  Look, she got federal approval and is not reveiling her data. she is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 10:53:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PhD is an anacronym for piled higher and deeper.  Look, she got federal approval and is not reveiling her data. she is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 10:46:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

He wrote Excession, Player of Games, The Bridge, Look to Windward, The Wasp Factory (one of my all time favorite books btw), Feersum Endjinn (in which he employed a variety of made-up languages, or at least ways of writing the way the charactors spoke, sorta like Clockwork Orange only much more intracate and amazing actually in my opinion), Use of Weapons, Consider Phlebas, Inversions, and…yes indeed actually, he did, I find now looking at the inside front cover of my book, write Complicity, among many other titles too, which I haven’t yet read.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Ian Banks….did he write Complicity??

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:31 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT)
Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of
the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another
writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote
some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic
really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine
and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and

not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball
rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or
even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit
I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read-
with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream
of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my
estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual
reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing

kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind

but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of

a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi
with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also

very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not.

But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp
Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since
highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s
incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or
Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation

of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day
his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it
wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered
as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana,
if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of
my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:36:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yup.
Not that a Phd is to sneeze at.
But yup.

On 7/27/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:35:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:14:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Isn’t “Dr Mash” only a ph.d, not a medical dr?

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:35:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:36:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was treated at her island resort many moons ago. There wa a little
snottiness in my lastreply…
love
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All
others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I
have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is
just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on
ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s
book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:34:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Mash believes that only doctors should provide ibogaine (MDs).  All others are, in her words like,”back ally abortion providers.”  Must say I have really poor things about her ST.Kitt’s clinic of late, but that is just, as they anecdotal.  Dr Mash has done some very important research on ibogaine, and continues too.  One of my favorite chapter headings in Beal’s book is Deborah Mash’s brain. You can read it online at Cures Not Wars.

Pax,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:27:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jason,

Real good to hear from you as well. Enjoy the trip.:)

Peace,
Sean

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:19:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From a long timer of both sobriety and strung out, I found Eric to be very compassionate. I have found Schmooly to be very arrogant but caring and compassionate.  Knock it off girls.  Or is it all money now?  We’re well or trying to get that way. At 55  ibo kicked my ass, mule kicked Randy and I d/n get fixed.  man, one needs recovery time if he works. Money, money.  Eric subs, a friend of Schmooly discounts.  I think it’s a cult and egos, but what do I know?
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico

In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:10:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was going to respond to this earlier but decided not to, but since you
asked and I know the answer; it was in one if the later ringworld books.
The main character gets addicted to constant electro-stimulation of his
brain’s pleasure centers.  I read it when I was still strung out on heroin
and was actually a little disappointed by the same character’s ability to
just let his addiction go later in the book.  Not a fair representation of
the helplessness of addiction I thought.

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:02 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

In which book, as I’ve read a lot of Niven’s work and don’t remember that
little tidbit, but don’t doubt you Dana- just curious as to which work of
his contains this.

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick
or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:01:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In which book, as I’ve read a lot of Niven’s work and don’t remember that little tidbit, but don’t doubt you Dana- just curious as to which work of his contains this.

Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Dana Beal” <dana@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:52:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi KV,

The discussion per se I don’t think bothers anyone.  The concern I had was that slowly the conversation had drifted from the original topic (Patrick’s paper) into opiates and Ibo in general.  I believe that it imperative to remind potential Ibo users that opiate use during detox is potentially deadly.  Further, I would hold that great care should be taken with the issue of pain management.   Patrick was referring to low doses of ibogaine with opiates. The nature of the Internet group can allow for crucial details to be lost.  Further, because one person survives the more than recommended dose, does not mean the next person will.  As has been said there is a huge, I mean huge difference between 50 and 500mgs of Ibo. I actually no this from experience. I have been experienced full Ibo detox, and, recently experienced a booster dose.   There is simply no comparison in terms of impact.  I am of the school that the less Ibo deaths the better, therefore repeating what may seem the obvious on this list is vital. New members come aboard every day.

I will be interested to hear about Preston’s experience.

Peace,
Sean

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:29:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:49 AM, tink wrote:

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

The most mainstream s.f. writer to employ wirehead addiction as a gimmick or plot device, I believe, is Larry Niven.

Dana/cnw

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From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates? to Preston
Date: July 27, 2005 at 6:49:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston I’m very curious, you mentioned that you were starting the
ibogaine maintenance with opiates at the same time. Did you take a
booster and then start, or start afterwards when you had reset your
tolerence?

I know this conversation upsets some people on the list but I am far
more interested in harm reduction then what some person decides is
that right choice for everyone and with the exception of Patrick’s
paper and people on this list, there is no other information on this
topic at all.

Thank you Preston if you share, if you don’t want to or prefer sending
private email I would appreciate it.

KV

On 7/16/05, Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

Patrick’s article at
<http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/index.html?Articles/MAPS-Ibogaine2.htm~mainFrame>
says, “Ibogaine potentiates the analgesic effect of opiates and opioids.” –
are there other known or suspected risks of using them together?

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From: “Aristide NGUEMA” <aristide.nguema@laposte.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] About Iboga
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:01:36 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today
Date: July 27, 2005 at 5:00:16 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You rock the fuck out Tink!

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:32 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Today
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Today
I was reminded
Of a person I know
That dwells within me
That shines brightly
And can see the wind
a person i once held hands with
And long to do so again
A person who knows
The language of the Earth
Who is unafraid
One who smiles with delight
for no particular reason
Today
I felt the planet move
In a sigh of contentment
Of sorrow
of love
And I longed to be the one to comfort her
To be the person
Who can sing with the birds
And play like the ocean
Who storms within
Who storms without
But the sun returns
Regardless
To shine upon
And to dry her tears
both happy and sad
Today
I saw a glimpse of you
Who holds up the sky
And lets the clouds move freely
Who brings the dawn
Of a new day
And i saw a glimpse of me
All of me
As i was
as i am
as i will be again
Who we all are
Whether we realize it or not
When we are
At our best
Laughing and crying
Screaming to be heard
To feel
To be felt
to belong in our own skin
Today
I saw a mirror image
Another me
Repeated endlessly
In a small frame
And I broke through
Smashing the glass
Fists bloodied
knees on the floor
Sobbing
In relief
of freedom
Fought for
And won
But the cost
Oh, the cost
It is not a bill I have wanted to pay
And now
As I sit amidst the shards
And feel the pain
I have gained
Everything
(25 April 05)
love \
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: The Next Giant Leap
Date: July 27, 2005 at 4:49:39 PM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: The Next Giant Leap
To: NASA Science News <snglist@snglist.msfc.nasa.gov>

NASA Science News for July 27, 2005

The next big thing is small: Nanotechnology could lead to radical
improvements in space exploration.

FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/27jul_nanotech.htm?list161661

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:22:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s the spirit!!!
Pool you say?? Damn, going to have to polish up on my playing afore you leap
the mighty waves to here!!!  Zoe is a dab hand too I must warn…. (mis
spent childhood lol)
Kirk 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:31 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…

I just came back from an impromptu trip to Boston with my dad.  It was
such a fun trip, and half of it was because I wasn’t lurking in the
Combat Zone searching for a junky-friendly bathroom.  The other half
of it was simply absorbing sights and sounds and smells that I have so
often taken for granted.
I saw some decent music, rocked a pool table for a while, and giggled
a lot, as well as having the dubious privelage of watching Clements
get a line-drive to the head in Tampa Bay while Bostonians gasped in
horror (owwwwwwww…) Not that I enjoyed seeing other people in
serious pain, but I am a Yankee fan…
The unexpected lightness that has returned to me from a simple night
out in Boston, a DRUG FREE night in Boston (well, weed doesn’t count
right now… :]) has recharged a battery I didn’t know was dead, and I
find myself smiling today. Really smiling, not smirking or sneering at
everything around me.  It is good to be alive…
Love to you all
tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:20:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

………….Then I get up pre-dawn and watch the sky give this awesome deep
pink colour show, turning oranges and reds and remember why it’s not all
bad. (Heh, and  THEN I read this list!!!  And remember it IS!! Haaaa j/k of
course ;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 4:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

THE WORLD IS FUCKED!!!!!
be there in a mo, kirkie…

On 7/27/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head
without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????
Ahhhhhh
4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for
a
patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they
have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ..

I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as
I
possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.

Sigh I despair of this world.

Kirk L

________________________________

From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 3:12:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ian Banks….did he write Complicity??

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:31 p.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT)
Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of
the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another
writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote
some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic
really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine
and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and

not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball
rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or
even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit
I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read-
with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream
of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my
estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual
reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing

kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind

but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of

a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi
with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also

very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not.

But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp
Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since
highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s
incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or
Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation

of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day
his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it
wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered
as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana,
if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of
my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a
pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve
stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans
with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:45:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I found this piece of light and love that I wrote a while ago.  What a
difference an ibogaine treatment makes, indeed!!!!
tink-is-swell

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Darkness surrounds me, a cloaking of ink
Coaxing, beguiling, inviting me to sink
Within these warm pools of languid sedation
Escape emblamatic, the ultimate vacation
But deep do these sinkholes of timelessness run
As I sink toward the bottom, coming undone
And fragments of self float loose through this sea
Of anger, of fear, a denial of me
A refusal to open these eyes of mine wide
To sift through the pain in which I reside
So I drift in the murk, as I float ever deeper
Silently wishing for price that was cheaper
Than the sum of my soul, the purity of thought
And I wonder again at how easily i bought
Into lies and deceit, for escape, from my grief
And how none of it brought the slightest relief
Yet still I am sinking, still I am drowning
Not one alarm raised, not a rescue bell sounding
And I open these eyes, and see naught before me
Which could help me to surface, or bring me to glory
So i drink deeply and quickly, filling my soul
And continue the fastest slow ride down my hole

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Today
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:32:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Today
To: MorningWood@googlegroups.com

Today
I was reminded
Of a person I know
That dwells within me
That shines brightly
And can see the wind
a person i once held hands with
And long to do so again
A person who knows
The language of the Earth
Who is unafraid
One who smiles with delight
for no particular reason
Today
I felt the planet move
In a sigh of contentment
Of sorrow
of love
And I longed to be the one to comfort her
To be the person
Who can sing with the birds
And play like the ocean
Who storms within
Who storms without
But the sun returns
Regardless
To shine upon
And to dry her tears
both happy and sad
Today
I saw a glimpse of you
Who holds up the sky
And lets the clouds move freely
Who brings the dawn
Of a new day
And i saw a glimpse of me
All of me
As i was
as i am
as i will be again
Who we all are
Whether we realize it or not
When we are
At our best
Laughing and crying
Screaming to be heard
To feel
To be felt
to belong in our own skin
Today
I saw a mirror image
Another me
Repeated endlessly
In a small frame
And I broke through
Smashing the glass
Fists bloodied
knees on the floor
Sobbing
In relief
of freedom
Fought for
And won
But the cost
Oh, the cost
It is not a bill I have wanted to pay
And now
As I sit amidst the shards
And feel the pain
I have gained
Everything
(25 April 05)
love \
tink

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:30:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It really is good to hear from you Sean, for real.

it is Raining and Shining at the same time, with those neato light rays that pop out of the clouds.

-jason

tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to hear you’re better, Sean. It’s wonderful to see good things
happening..Preston, your friend is my thoughts. Lighting a candle
now…
love to you both
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Preston,
>
> Yeas, these infections are no joke. Thanks for the good thoughts. Sending
> good thoughts to Dog.
>
> All the best Sean

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From: CoyDogsRock@webtv.net (SKALD VANASATRU)
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:44:13 PM EDT
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, I’m not sure what the referenceto David Eddings is but I have
most of his work and he does sword and sorcery ( wizards, kings,
warriors with lots of pionty things) stuff. I love his work bu if there
is more there that I missed I’d like to know…

Thanx
TIGERRIDER

~Design by Liandre~

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [DrugWar] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:31:22 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: drugwar@mindvox.com

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read- with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not. But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:07:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hear, hear…

On 7/27/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
Eric Taub,  hmmm oh yeah, the guy that has the brocures that say in big bold
print
NO WITHDRAWLS

seems true.

you didn’t have any withdrawls at all right Randy?

-j

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:06:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Glad to hear you’re better, Sean.  It’s wonderful to see good things
happening..Preston, your friend is my thoughts.  Lighting a candle
now…
love to you both
tink

On 7/27/05, UUSEAN@aol.com <UUSEAN@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Preston,

Yeas, these infections are no joke.  Thanks for the good thoughts.  Sending
good thoughts to Dog.

All the best Sean

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:47:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Eric Taub,  hmmm oh yeah, the guy that has the brocures that say in big bold print
NO WITHDRAWLS

seems true.

you didn’t have any withdrawls at all right Randy?

-j

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:21:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

Yeas, these infections are no joke.  Thanks for the good thoughts.  Sending good thoughts to Dog.

All the best Sean

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Beantown and a line drive to the temple…
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:30:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I just came back from an impromptu trip to Boston with my dad.  It was
such a fun trip, and half of it was because I wasn’t lurking in the
Combat Zone searching for a junky-friendly bathroom.  The other half
of it was simply absorbing sights and sounds and smells that I have so
often taken for granted.
I saw some decent music, rocked a pool table for a while, and giggled
a lot, as well as having the dubious privelage of watching Clements
get a line-drive to the head in Tampa Bay while Bostonians gasped in
horror (owwwwwwww…) Not that I enjoyed seeing other people in
serious pain, but I am a Yankee fan…
The unexpected lightness that has returned to me from a simple night
out in Boston, a DRUG FREE night in Boston (well, weed doesn’t count
right now… :]) has recharged a battery I didn’t know was dead, and I
find myself smiling today. Really smiling, not smirking or sneering at
everything around me.  It is good to be alive…
Love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Solar Farside Activity
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:10:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
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Date: Jul 26, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: Solar Farside Activity
To: “SpaceWeather. com” <swlist@spaceweather.com>

Space Weather News for July 26, 2005
http://spaceweather.com

At any given moment, only one side of the sun faces Earth.  The other
side, the farside, is hidden from direct view. Nevertheless, it is
possible to monitor activity “over there.”  In recent days the farside
of the sun has been very active.  One or more sunspots have been
exploding, hurling coronal mass ejections (CMEs) over the sun’s limb.
Because the sun spins, sunspots on the farside now will be rotating
around to face Earth later this week and next, raising the possibility
of geomagnetic storms and auroras.
Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information and updates.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:09:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THE WORLD IS FUCKED!!!!!
be there in a mo, kirkie…

On 7/27/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head
without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????  Ahhhhhh
4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for a
patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they
have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ……

I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as I
possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.

Sigh I despair of this world.

Kirk L

________________________________

From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really
been
proven to work.”

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:49:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and “Mona Lisa Overdrive”
tink
HI BORIS!!!
On 7/27/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:48:51 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m dizzy and i LOVE IT!!!!!
Howard, Dave, wuzza!!!
Where are the BEES!!!
tink

On 7/27/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
“spirit flight mandala,” and even more “flight of the butterflies” (Vanessa
supposedly means butterfly btw, interestingly enough) are my personal
favorites. These are Dave Hunter’s, right? His stuff always blows me away,
and leaves me with the distinct impression that he has experienced many of
the same realms that folk like Alex Gray have visited and experienced.
Amazing renditions of what I too have “seen” while under the influence, of
ibogaine and other psychedelics too.
Dave, you rock, as I’m sure I’ve scribbled before once or twice, or if
not, I should have at least once or twice by NOW.
Keep up the illuminating please.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the
curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 11:33:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Shmoolyboy…
Where ya been?
And is Mash now the Ibo-policia in mexico?
tink
On 7/26/05, Schmoolyboy@aol.com <Schmoolyboy@aol.com> wrote:

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I
do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 9:00:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/26/05 3:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Schmoolyboy@aol.com writes:

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about

I would like Ms. Mash to give us the data she has too.          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:57:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Scmooly, what is Mash afraid of? Eric is the man. Why would anybody want to keep him away from doing treatment anywhere? O well, Mexico is a big place aint it?     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:54:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean, glad to see you back and doing better. Sorry  I didn’t get back with you, I was real busy at the time. Keep on top of your health my brother. I love you .          Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 27, 2005 at 8:15:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Marc, you are one twisted individual. By the way, I’m one up on ya now. You got jumped, I got held up at gun point yesterday. Yeeeeeeeee fuckin’ Haaaaaaaaaa anybody ever see that movie Next Of Kin. I could make that happen. Better not, gunfire is much too loud anymore and I don’t want to live like that. I’ll let the young punk keep my money if he needed it that bad, but it pissed me off when he took the knife my boy gave me. I hope I never see him again.               Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (Not Really OT- Reading material) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 7:31:22 AM EDT
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(I’m cross posting this to DrugWar too, in case anyone there can think of the writer I’m thinking of.)

No, it was something LIKE David Eddings, but that’s not right, he’s another writer I’m pretty sure, who doesn’t write cyber-punk. The guy I want wrote some really cool cyberpunk stuff, with the wireheads (so is this off topic really?) and other means of getting “high” using a combination of machine and body. Very interesting stuff.
William Gibson’s Neuromancer and his other books too (in that series and not as well) are all pretty cool, and he’s the one that really got the ball rolling concerning cyberpunk fiction, whether he first wrote it or not, or even first published it or not (I mean, Philip K. Dick, who I Have to admit I haven’t read much of because I haven’t enjoyed much of what I have read- with the exception of Barefoot in the Head, and of course Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was good) could certainly be called cyber-punk in my estimation, even though he’d never heard of an “internet” or “virtual reality” so far as I know).
For those who haven’t heard of him and like sci-fi of the really amazing kind, try Ian. M. Banks. Also, for those who enjoy great writing of any kind but especially the really tripped out buggy kind, look for the little gem of a book called “The Wasp Factory,” by Ian Banks (who publishes his sci-fi with that extra M. in the middle of his name, and his non-sci-fi stuff, also very good, without the M. That way you know if you’re getting sci-fi or not. But his sci-fi Culture series is flat out brilliant.) Anyway, The Wasp Factory is one of those books I’ve never ever forgotten and have ever since highly recommended to all and sundry. It’s Banks’ first book, and it’s incredible- WELL worth whatever measly fee Barnes and Nobel will charge (or Amazon).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 4:09:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“Dog” is in my thoughts, may he make it thru this ok, and get it together to
really appreciate his daughter.  I am thankful each day for my daughter, for
it was her that stopped me getting that messy.
Kirk xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 6:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Sean wrote >Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that
the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my

heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the
staff infection which floated to my kidney.<

As an aside (btw, glad to hear you’re feeling better and as though your are
getting even better all the time, to borrow a Beatles’ line), I ran into an
old using friend of mine, someone I ran with a LOT on the streets, and got
high a LOT with, shooting LOTS of speedballs with this guy, and he’s been
back in LES this summer. I’ve run into him three times now in the past
couple months/six weeks or so. Each time he’s looked worse for ear, but
today, third meeting, he was a mess, flithy, sweating his ass off (and no
wonder what with the heat and humidity in this city right now, dangerous if
you cannot get out of it and are unhealthy or flat out sick), and tells me
as he lifts his shirt and turns that he’s got a “subcutaneous infection” in
his lower back, right over his freaking kidney, and tells me he can’t go to
the hospital yet because he has to spange up enough money to get to
Larchmont (or some similar bodunk ville outside NYC proper, out around White

Plains area) to visit his daughter first, who lives with his ex-wife now. I
tell him he’s nuts, that he should go ahead and go to the hospital if he’s
already straight and doesn’t need to fix immediately, as I and he both know
that’s what he’s really trying to spange up the money for first, THEN comes
any ticket (if ever) to visit that daughter. I mention how much easier it is

to detox in a hospital, that if it were me I’d leap at the chance to get
into the hospital, a clean bed and a bath, some healthy filling food and
some relief from the obvious agony that swollen fist-sized lump on his back
was causing him. Then I left him sitting there as I went into the Barnes and

Nobel right down the street a couple doors and spent 15 minutes or so
spending the rest of my christmas giftrcard from V’s Dad and step-mom. When
I come out, and begin to walk up the sidewalk past him, I debate walking by
without saying anything because he appears to be nodding out, but he looks
up right as I am passing, so I stop and beging to chat, but he cuts me off
immediately with a question.
“Do you have two minutes?”
I hesitate, saying not really, but then immediately feel like a major shit.
“What’s up Dog (his name, I swear, although I’m sure his birth certificate
says something else), what do you need? Need me to watch your bag so you can

go use a rest room or something?”
He looks at me with the most sad look on his face and says, “No, I think I
really need to go to the hospital. Can you call an ambulance from a payphone

for me please?”
I start to head for the neast phone, right up the sidewalk immediately
(sorry to keep using that word, but it keep fitting the sentences) then
remember I have a cell phone now (never thought I’d see the day, but it
happened finally just a couple months ago, when I went out to LA to do that
TV pilot thing so V and I could call and talk long-distance more easily) so
I call and have the dispatch send an ambulance for my friend.
I’m glad to say that I was reminded today of the many blessings I so
easily can forget at times or stress, usually self-induced almost every
time. There are so many places and there are so many situations I’m not in
that I could be, that I just missed being in (knock on wood) that I would do

well to keep that in mind when I begin to feel that black depression
settling on me, that “oh, poor me, I feel so bad” attitude that can overtake

me and is so easy to give in to at times.
Please keep Dog in your thoughts, at least for a moment. Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern
that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could
surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the
staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter
the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all
over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the
list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed
humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and
queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn
vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:59:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Neuromancer, by William Gibson?

—- Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early
cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure
centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for
juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had
moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of
the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways
their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal
biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced
manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like
“Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would
perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his
body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t
designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor
the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as
recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one
book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name
complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or
Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name
Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if
you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the
author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m
remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my
favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go
through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be
happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:41:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean wrote >Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.<

As an aside (btw, glad to hear you’re feeling better and as though your are getting even better all the time, to borrow a Beatles’ line), I ran into an old using friend of mine, someone I ran with a LOT on the streets, and got high a LOT with, shooting LOTS of speedballs with this guy, and he’s been back in LES this summer. I’ve run into him three times now in the past couple months/six weeks or so. Each time he’s looked worse for ear, but today, third meeting, he was a mess, flithy, sweating his ass off (and no wonder what with the heat and humidity in this city right now, dangerous if you cannot get out of it and are unhealthy or flat out sick), and tells me as he lifts his shirt and turns that he’s got a “subcutaneous infection” in his lower back, right over his freaking kidney, and tells me he can’t go to the hospital yet because he has to spange up enough money to get to Larchmont (or some similar bodunk ville outside NYC proper, out around White Plains area) to visit his daughter first, who lives with his ex-wife now. I tell him he’s nuts, that he should go ahead and go to the hospital if he’s already straight and doesn’t need to fix immediately, as I and he both know that’s what he’s really trying to spange up the money for first, THEN comes any ticket (if ever) to visit that daughter. I mention how much easier it is to detox in a hospital, that if it were me I’d leap at the chance to get into the hospital, a clean bed and a bath, some healthy filling food and some relief from the obvious agony that swollen fist-sized lump on his back was causing him. Then I left him sitting there as I went into the Barnes and Nobel right down the street a couple doors and spent 15 minutes or so spending the rest of my christmas giftrcard from V’s Dad and step-mom. When I come out, and begin to walk up the sidewalk past him, I debate walking by without saying anything because he appears to be nodding out, but he looks up right as I am passing, so I stop and beging to chat, but he cuts me off immediately with a question.
“Do you have two minutes?”
I hesitate, saying not really, but then immediately feel like a major shit.
“What’s up Dog (his name, I swear, although I’m sure his birth certificate says something else), what do you need? Need me to watch your bag so you can go use a rest room or something?”
He looks at me with the most sad look on his face and says, “No, I think I really need to go to the hospital. Can you call an ambulance from a payphone for me please?”
I start to head for the neast phone, right up the sidewalk immediately (sorry to keep using that word, but it keep fitting the sentences) then remember I have a cell phone now (never thought I’d see the day, but it happened finally just a couple months ago, when I went out to LA to do that TV pilot thing so V and I could call and talk long-distance more easily) so I call and have the dispatch send an ambulance for my friend.
I’m glad to say that I was reminded today of the many blessings I so easily can forget at times or stress, usually self-induced almost every time. There are so many places and there are so many situations I’m not in that I could be, that I just missed being in (knock on wood) that I would do well to keep that in mind when I begin to feel that black depression settling on me, that “oh, poor me, I feel so bad” attitude that can overtake me and is so easy to give in to at times.
Please keep Dog in your thoughts, at least for a moment. Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:22:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I remember reading sci-fi stories about wire-heads back in the 80s, early cyber-punk books, where there were folk addicted to having the pleasure centers of their brains wired, where they could simply find a source for juice and plug into the wall and off the went to la-la land. But many had moved on beyond simple zapping of the pleasure centers on to manipulation of the actual psychy of the mind, giving people the ability to act in ways their brains previous told them were impossible but under these internal biological programs, they could perform in much better and more enhanced manner- the PI hero of the books would use programs called things like “Sherlock Holmes,” or some super althelite, and his brain and body would perform as though he really were these charactors, but then the next day his body and brain would have to pay the price of performing in ways it wasn’t designed to do. Great freakin’ books, but I can’t remember the titles nor the author. I wish I could because I’d like to reread them. I remembered as recently as 10 years ago, because I managed to find one used copy of one book of the short series on St. Marks then, but now the author’s name complete escapes me. It was in the lower end of the alphabet, Eddings, or Eddington. (I know there’s an author of sci-fi fantasy with the last name Eddings, or am pretty sure, and that it’s not the right person, so Dana, if you think of him, don’t bother, it’s not the right guess). I think the author used three names, first, middle and last, I think, if, again, I’m remembering what little I am correctly.
The stories though were excellect sci-fi action cyber-punk, some of my favorite fiction if and when I take time to actually read fiction (I go through phases). If anyone has any guesses of who I’m thinking of, I’d be happy to hear them.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 27, 2005 at 2:02:55 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“spirit flight mandala,” and even more “flight of the butterflies” (Vanessa supposedly means butterfly btw, interestingly enough) are my personal favorites. These are Dave Hunter’s, right? His stuff always blows me away, and leaves me with the distinct impression that he has experienced many of the same realms that folk like Alex Gray have visited and experienced. Amazing renditions of what I too have “seen” while under the influence, of ibogaine and other psychedelics too.
Dave, you rock, as I’m sure I’ve scribbled before once or twice, or if not, I should have at least once or twice by NOW.
Keep up the illuminating please.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:37:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yayy Sean, WELCOME BACK<
So good to hear you’re on the  mend, was sending you lots of healing happy thoughts.
Yehh Randy rocks for sure!!!! So does this list, it had to go on….I believe it will always be a pretty hard thing to stop!!!!  For long anywayyy………………….[o][o]  Hehheh
So, love light n laughter to ya.
Kirk xxx
From: UUSEAN@aol.com [mailto:UUSEAN@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 5:22 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 27, 2005 at 1:21:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

Home at last.  Infection cleared, and no sign of endo. There was concern that the same infection that was causing fluid around my kidney could surround my heart, causing endo.
Fortunately that is not the case.  The last time I shot dope caused the staff infection which floated to my kidney.

So three weeks clean now, home, feeling much better, and ready to reenter the world, slowly.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes.  Talked to Ibo folks from all over the country while in the hosp. Special thanks to Randy for letting the list know my status.

Glad to see the list goes on,,,,thanks to the good Capt. for much needed humor. Going to sleep now after reading 10 days of Ibo, drugwars, and queerfist postings. What dreams I my have!  And nobody checking my damn vitals every two hours. How cool is that?

Nite now!

Peace, love and anarchy,
Sean

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 27, 2005 at 12:16:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Uh huh, it’s perfectly ok to shove some electro shock shit in the head without knowing what it does but it’s NOT ok to do Ibogaine???????  Ahhhhhh 4 million plus Americans plus rest of the world equals a lot of money for a patented treatment , of course, ya can’t patent Ibogaine. Not until they have spread Genetically modified everything throughout the planet ……
I;’m going to start hoarding seeds and growing as many herbs and plants as I possibly can.  And build glasshouses.  Keep the nasty seeds out.
Sigh I despair of this world.
Kirk L
From: Dana Beal [mailto:dana@phantom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Wireheads
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:53:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/21/1657242

FDA OKs Brain Pacemaker for Depression

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday July 21, @01:27PM
from the shocking-developments dept.
Duke Machesne writes “On Friday, the FDA approved a new therapy for the
severely depressed who have run out of treatment options: a pacemaker-like
implant that sends tiny electric shocks to the brain. The Food and Drug
Administration’s clearance opens Cyberonics Inc.’s vagus nerve stimulator,
or VNS, as a potential treatment for an estimated 4 million Americans with
hard-to-treat depression – despite controversy over whether it’s really been
proven to work.”

From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:50:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

its always good to hear you tink.. i can relate quite abit with alot u say.. with going from dope and coke to methadone to suboxone and then ibo then back again.. Its funny the time in between seems to drag on and on and on.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] So off topic it’s a colourless gas.
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 01:48:22 -0400

Okay. I find that since I stopped shooting speedballs on a minute to
minute basis that I have a load of time left over from work, school,
therapy, etc, in which i can either challenge myself to a permanent
duel and go get in trouble, or I can type my little fingers off,
bitching and ranting and learning and raving at the list.  They have
one of those lovely little cliches that they use in “The Rooms”, about
going after you recovery with the same intensity that you go after you
habit, and I took that one to heart, I suppose.  To me, checking in to
see how and who and what is a means of keeping myself grounded, and a
way to make sure that If I drop off of the face of the planet, there
will be someone wondering what the fuck I’ve gotten myself into now.
I have no particularly good typing skills, nor do I spend every waking
moment on my computer, but I do check it every so often, and  it helps
me keep away from the ever-lurking demons that reside in my(and
other’s, but this is an assumption)head on a minute to minute basis as
well.  I fight with me to stay clean, and though I find myself on a
relatively decent wave right now, I also know that if I’m not
hypervigilant, I WILL use.
I make the time when I need it.  This list  and all of the people on
it have gotten me through some incredibly rough times.  Instant online
counselling. I might post more times than others, but as long as I
have an internet hook up and the capacity to type, it works for me.  I
wouldn’t have made it this far without haviing the option to do so.
If you don’t feel the need to do so, then I aplaud your ability to
have another option.  For me, I have to have it.  I’ve gone from
speeballs to methadone to suboxone to the ibogaine list(and everything
inbetween), and out of all of it, ibogaine and this list are the only
things that have worked.  It should be said here that I would be
NOWHERE if I hadn’t decided to commit my whole self(okay, 98%? On a
bad day,89%)to the fixing of me.  It sucks alot of the time, but it
beats a sharp stick in the ear.  And i am CLEAN of the opiates.
That’s why I list as often as I do.  I’ve read little snippets to long
ranting short sories, and there hasn’t been a time when i couln’t
relate, in one perspective or another.
We all might be incredibly different, but there is a common thread
that holds us together.  The list is part of that thread for me.  I
can eventually sleep every so often due the simple fact that I know
that there are people who are truly wonderful and, well, I don’t even
know anything about your history, but, when  drop under the radar,
there’s almost always only one reason for it.
I’m going to go visit Kirkie and help in with the killing now….  :]
love to you,
tink
On 6/22/05, Sjonnygee . <sjonnygee@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I’m curious how people find the time to write 12+ posts to this list in 1
> day alone, happily/unhappily contemplating the joys and woes of a drug
> laden/free life.  It’s all I can do when I get home from work to phone up
> and cancel band rehearsal for the 2nd time this week , I’m not having a pop
> at anyone here nor am I being argumentative , I’d just love to know who your
> sponsor is and does he increase the rate the more attitude you apply to a
> thread ? -……….. and can I get a cut.
>
>        The list seems as a good a place as any to update my cv. – Musician ,
> Dance Percussion Therapist :Qualified -( somebody once told me I was good),
> Activist(I ripped my stomach open at work last year and actively don’t wish
> to do it again)  – Adventurer(An indian soldier shot me in the arse in
> Calcutta Dec.’92 during ‘massive civil unrest'{In 1992, Hindu hardliners
> destroyed the 16th century Babri Masjid mosque that had been built on that
> site, setting off a round of religious violence in which 3,000 people died.}
>  – So who does pay you guys to stay home all day and strap yourselves in to
> type …………Can I get a contract ? By the way I love a man in a Good
> dress ,but you need a good nose to really carry it off ! ……….sjonny.
>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> August?
> >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:45 -0400
> >
> >to make this really bizarreo, as V and I were returning home, not
> >more than a couple hours, three at most after writing about Mars
> >being closer to the Earth, what do we find but someone who has a
> >telescope, set at that same 75 magnification mentioned in that
> >article, but pointed at Jupiter. We could plainly see Jupiter
> >through the telescope, very small, a quarter of the size of the moon
> >with our naked eye, maybe even a wee bit smaller, and four of its
> >brightest moons, from Ave. A in LES, Manhattan. I can only imagine
> >how gorgeous the view must be out West somewhere, or upstate in the
> >mountain, around V’s uncle’s cabin or something of that nature.
> >Anyway, there was Jupiter, and we both got to look through the
> >telescope. I got to tell everyone standing there, including the guy
> >with the telescope, about the whole Mars thing.
> >
> >
> >Peace and love,
> >Preston Peet
> >
> >”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >often mistaken for madness”
> >Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> >ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> >Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> >Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> >Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
> >Sept. 2005)
> >Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >Columnist New York Waste
> >Etc.
> >
> >—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk”
> ><captkirk@free.net.nz>
> >To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:22 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >August?
> >
> >
> >>Just did a search, yes it happened already in 2003.  Must be a old
> >>email
> >>somebody didn’t see the year or something, so got alllll excited!!
> >>Lol
> >>Damn…
> >>Oh well.
> >>Kirk
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirk@free.net.nz]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:16 a.m.
> >>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close
> >>in August?
> >>
> >>Yes I also got sent the same email, but I thought this happened
> >>already? I
> >>remember going up to observatory, either last winter, or one before
> >>to see
> >>Mars but was packed out with people and too bloody cold to wait.
> >>And they
> >>said then this wouldn’t be seen again by people alive now so
> >>buggered if I
> >>know Preston!!!
> >>Would be cool though, I l ike when planets do cool stuff!!  I’m a
> >>star gazer
> >>by nature.
> >>
> >>—–Original Message—–
> >>From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:07 a.m.
> >>To: Newsroom-L; ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
> >>Subject: [Ibogaine] ot- anyone know about Mars being so close in
> >>August?
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>    Anyone else heard the following tidbit of science news, about
> >>how Mars
> >>is coming in on its closest approach to Earth in recorded history?
> >>Anyone
> >>know if this is true? It was sent me in an email by an in-law, so
> >>I’ve no
> >>source link or URL, and have no idea who wrote this. I would give
> >>full
> >>credit if I did know, but I don’t.
> >>Anyway, here’s the note (and could this explain all the war fever
> >>going
> >>around? Of course, there’s always war fever going around on this
> >>rock of a
> >>planet, so I guess I’m grasping at straws blaming Mars dropping in
> >>for a
> >>fly-by):
> >>
> >>>
> >>The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next,
> >>Earth
> >>is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the
> >>closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The
> >>next
> >>time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter’s
> >>gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only
> >>be
> >>certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last
> >>5,000
> >>years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens
> >>again.
> >>
> >>
> >>The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to
> >>within
> >>34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
> >>brightest
> >>object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and
> >>will
> >>appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification
> >>
> >>
> >>Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars
> >>will be
> >>easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east
> >>at
> >>10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m.  By the end of August
> >>when
> >>the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach
> >>its
> >>highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m. That’s pretty convenient to
> >>see
> >>something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So,
> >>mark
> >>your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> >>progressively
> >>brighter and brighter throughout the month.
> >><
> >>
> >>Peace and love,
> >>Preston Peet
> >>
> >>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
> >>often
> >>mistaken for madness”
> >>Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>
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> >>Etc.
> >>
> >>
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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:33:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i was initiated into reiki healing up to the 2nd stage where the symbols were introduced and can definately relate to paranormal experience of energy pathways through the process

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:19:02 +1200

Perhaps it’s the same for anything that requires “intitiation”.

I have been initiated to Level 3 Reiki
..and went thru stages after of..
well, what was that all about
.but then  energy before and after reiki
symbols
wow definitely more powerful

Hey, when was the last time anyone stood in a field with their arms
outspread and spun until you fell over?

Thinking what we were doing as kids was chakra cleansing? Heh who knowz?;

Kirk too much time on my hands hehehh 9(HEY but honest try the spinning
thing fuk its great)

_____

From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 10:51 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia
but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated
because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower
doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t
work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger
doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I
could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if
this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to
get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion
youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for
the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you
have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest
it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
itṀs the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: “orangesun Barrel” <kaliorangemist710@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 26, 2005 at 9:23:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree, most TC’s are lame and inefficient
arlo
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:07:42 -0400

Hear, Hear!
Right on Tink, every one (TC) I ever experienced sucked royally, here in NYC and elsewhere too.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
> Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
>
>
>
> Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> >
> > Hi Ekki,
> >
> > It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
> > from
> > the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
> > space
> > of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
> > drift
> > back to how you were before.
> oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
> uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
> experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
> in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.
>
> > I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
> > with a
> > strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
> > you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
> > space out
> > or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.
> >
> > Nick
>
> i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
> what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
> partners are iboganized.
>
>

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
Date: July 26, 2005 at 8:25:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I agree Christiane F was a good book….although the writing lacked emotions and feelings through out most of the book it still is a powerful portryayal of addiction

Namaste
Matthew

>From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:02:04 +0200
>
>reminds me of “christiane f”. itīs the true story of a girl who got
>into heroin and prostitution at the age of 12 in the seventies in
>west-berlin. her hangout was the railwaystation at the zoo, still a
>central as well as notorious place.
>we read the novel and saw the movie (with some scenes cut) at high
>school. the purpose was to warn us of drugs. afterwards everyone was
> curious how H feels like. must be sooo good if you go through all
>this shit to get another fix.
>book and movie are still worth a glance. it also captures a certain
>atmosphere during the cold war after the idealism of the
>68īgeneration was over. was aynway strange to grow up in a divided
>country where american and russian soldiers set up their nuclear
>missiles and impact seemed imminent.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553208977/
>qid=1122395285/sr=8-12/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i9_xgl14/002-2931691-4133660?
>v=glance&s=books&n=507846
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005KH2B/
>qid=1122398072/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_1/002-2931691-4133660?
>v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846
>
>-ekki
>
>Am 26.07.2005 um 00:26 schrieb Preston Peet:
>
>>>a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<
>>
>>to see the caged animals.
>>Hmmm.
>>No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta
>>Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin
>>actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals
>>making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool,
>>but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and
>>I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after
>>an ibo session.
>>Personally I mean.
>>
>>
>>Peace and love,
>>Preston
>>
>>”Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>>often mistaken for madness”
>>Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>>ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
>>Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out
>>Sept. 2005)
>>Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>Columnist New York Waste
>>Etc.
>
>
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 26, 2005 at 8:17:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. I’m straight and I felt trippy!! Lol Cool how you can
click, click and click and it gets real big so all of em take up the whole
page.  Neat!! Will send it to some fellow “trip-nuts” in nz.
Cheers
Kirk

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the
curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine real time visuals well almost
Date: July 26, 2005 at 7:33:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Check this out.  Flash required.  The ibogaine experience and you can
influence it just as you do your own images during ibogaine.  Move the curser around
and the images respond.

http://www.gammalyte.com/

Howard

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] endo update…
Date: July 26, 2005 at 4:34:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

One is infected valves the other is the fluid surrounding the heart in that
sac (pericardium…)….there’s less of it being produced…so things start
getting painful…and not always life threatening, but still should be
sorted.  Found some useful “other than doc” treatments that might help.
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] endo update…

What’s the difference between endo and periocarditis? I have probably
gotten the word wrong, but is endo is valve related and perio- is
muscle? The word sac was used at one point…
Anyhoo, I have no idea, but apparently it’s the later of the two and
not endo, after translation was said and done.
thank you for all of the responses-
you all rock!!
love
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] bahnhof zoo – OT
Date: July 26, 2005 at 3:02:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

reminds me of “christiane f”. it´s the true story of a girl who got into heroin and prostitution at the age of 12 in the seventies in west-berlin. her hangout was the railwaystation at the zoo, still a central as well as notorious place.
we read the novel and saw the movie (with some scenes cut) at high school. the purpose was to warn us of drugs. afterwards everyone was curious how H feels like. must be sooo good if you go through all this shit to get another fix.
book and movie are still worth a glance. it also captures a certain atmosphere during the cold war after the idealism of the 68´generation was over. was aynway strange to grow up in a divided country where american and russian soldiers set up their nuclear missiles and impact seemed imminent.


-ekki

Am 26.07.2005 um 00:26 schrieb Preston Peet:

a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<

to see the caged animals.
Hmmm.
No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool, but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after an ibo session.
Personally I mean.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 26, 2005 at 1:35:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would like Eric to state what clinic in Cancun he is talking about.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibo treatment in Mexico
Date: July 26, 2005 at 1:34:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mash has a new clinic in Mexico and they are doing an excellent job there. I do not think mash is going to allow Taub to treat there but who knows.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] check out Rite of Passage at DrugWar.com
Date: July 26, 2005 at 12:24:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.drugwar.com/Deloenenibogaine.shtm

This is written by the film maker, Ben De Loenen, who did a fine job on his film, and I felt perfectly happy allowing him, no, with the privilage of posting an article he wrote about his film at DrugWar.com. (It’s linked from the front page too, so it’s not just this URL- people will find it from the front page too Ben, just to let you know.)
Thanks Ben, for making the film in the first place, and giving me something to post about it at DrugWar.com. Hope it draws at least a wee bit more attention to your excellent and beautiful film. It deserves to be seen by a lot of people.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT this is just Odd!!!FW: 2005 FAUX FAULKNER WINNER
Date: July 26, 2005 at 3:34:59 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is great!

2005 FAUX FAULKNER WINNER
The Administration and the Fury 
If William Faulkner were writing on the Bush White House 

By Sam Apple

Down the hall, under the chandelier, I could see them talking. They were walking toward me and Dick s face was white, and he stopped and gave a piece of paper to Rummy, and Rummy looked at the piece of paper and shook his head. He gave the paper back to Dick and Dick shook his head. They disappeared and then they were standing right next to me.
“Georgie s going to walk down to the Oval Office with me,” Dick said.
“I just hope you got him all good and ready this time,” Rummy said.
“Hush now,” Dick said. “This aint no laughing matter. He know lot more than folks think.” Dick patted me on the back good and hard. “Come on now, Georgie,” Dick said. “Never mind you, Rummy.”
We walked down steps to the office. There were paintings of old people on the walls and the room was round like a circle and Condi was sitting on my desk. Her legs were crossed.
“Did you get him ready for the press conference?” Dick said.
“Dont you worry about him. He ll be ready,” Condi said. Condi stood up from the desk. Her legs were long and she smelled like the Xeroxed copies of the information packets they give me each day.
“Hello Georgie,” Condi said. “Did you come to see Condi?” Condi rubbed my hair and it tickled.
“Dont go messing up his hair,” Dick said. “Hes got a press conference in a few minutes.”
Condi wiped some spit on her hand and patted down my hair. Her hand was soft and she smelled like Xerox copies coming right out of the machine. “He looks just fine,” Condi said.
Fine day, isn t it, Georgie, Daddy said. Daddy was pitching horseshoes. Horseshoes flew through the air and it was hot. Jeb looked at me. Stand back or one of his horseshoes is going to hit you and knock you down real good, Jeb said. Jeb threw the horseshoe and it went right over the stick and Daddy clapped. Run and get me that horseshoe, Georgie, Daddy said. I ran and picked up the horseshoe. The metal was hot in my hands, and I held it for a little bit and then I dropped it. I picked it up. It was hot in my hands and I started running away from Daddy and Jeb. Come back with that horseshoe, Daddy said. I was running as fast as I could. Jeb run after him and get me my horseshoe before he throws another one in the river, Daddy hollered. Jeb was chasing after me fast. Come back with that horseshoe, Georgie, Jeb hollered. But I was fast and I kept running until I got to the river. Dont you dare throw that horseshoe in the river, Jeb said. I threw the horseshoe in the river. Jeb fell on the ground. Jeb kicked and cried and then I cried.
“He needs his makeup,” Dick said.
“I ll do it,” Condi said. She put a little brush on my check and it tickled and I laughed.
Rummy walked into the room. “Jesus, what s he laughing about,” Rummy said.
“Dont you pay attention to him, Georgie,” Dick said. “They re going to be asking you all about Social Security. You just remember what we talked about.”
“He cant remember anything,” Rummy said.
I started to holler. Dick s face was red and he looked at Rummy. “I told you to hush up already,” Dick said. “Now look what you ve gone and done.”
“Go and get him Saddam s gun,” Condi said. “You know how he likes to hold it.”
Dick went to my desk drawer and took out Saddam s gun. He gave it to me, and it was hot in my hands. Rummy pulled the gun away.
“Do you want him carrying a gun into the press conference?” Rummy said. “Cant you think any better than he can?”
I was hollering and Dick was turning red and then white and the room was tilted.
“You give him that gun back, right this minute,” Condi said. Rummy gave me Saddam s gun back and I held it my hands. It was hot like a horseshoe.
“You got the gun, now you stop that hollering,” Rummy said.
Condi patted me on the back. “It sure is hot in here,” she said. She fanned herself and took off her jacket. She smelled like perfume.

Sam Apple is a graduate of the creative nonfiction MFA program at Columbia University. His first book, Schlepping Through the Alps, was published in March 2005 by Ballantine Books. From 1998–2000, Apple edited New Voices, a national magazine for Jewish students. Apple’s freelance nonfiction work has appeared in a variety of publications including The New York Times, Slate.com, and the Forward. In 2004, Apple was a finalist for the Koret Award for Young Writers on Jewish Themes. In 2002, he won the Upload $1,500 first place award for short fiction. Apple is currently a contributing book editor at Nerve.com and at work on his second book.
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 6:26:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a walk in the zoo sounds cool.<

to see the caged animals.
Hmmm.
No, not for me, thanks. I lived across the street from the Atlanta Zoo for a year, when I was first getting into shooting heroin actually, and could hear the big cats roaring and other animals making sounds of wildlife during the nights. It was pretty cool, but still, I hate zoos- they always depress the hell outta me, and I think I might just be reminded of prison if I went right after an ibo session.
Personally I mean.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Am 25.07.2005 um 20:27 schrieb mcorcoran:

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

cool idea.
patrick already mentioned he did skydiving after ibogaine (but i guess
not immediately afterwards). bungee jumping might be an option since
it´s cheaper and doesn´t damage one´s knees.
a walk in the zoo sounds cool. i only tried a shopping mall on iboga.
the fruit section looks more impressive on shrooms though.

keep swingin
ekki

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] this guy was among our supporters in ACT UP
Date: July 25, 2005 at 8:48:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: jblotcher@hvc.rr.com

dear dana

i have a dear friend up here in ulster county who regularly helps people with medicine therapy

she has just learned great things about ibogaine alleviating addictive symptoms

she would like to alleviate a longtime nicotine problem

she is very interested in learning how to obtain treatment

please let me know how we can make this happen

peace

Jay Blotcher
112 Steep Hill Road
High Falls, NY 12440
jblotcher@hvc.rr.com
845.687.2284

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 10:16:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey, mcorcoran…how’s your head?
ANNOUNCEMENTS…
this kid has decided to seek his doctor’s opinion and postpone his
treatment-THANK GAWD!!!!  and another thanks to you all.  This list
rox and so does everyone associated with it, silent and not.
Another potential disaster potentially diverted?  Here’s hoping.
progress, not perfection and all that good stuff.
Maybe I’ll sleep for a bit tonight.
love
tink

On 7/25/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
<<<<< Lives in the country where bungy jumping was invented (apart from the
natives who continue that tradition of the unfaithful wife leaping off a
tall tree hoping hubby would follow with a vine tied to her leg…)
actually, Re: previous email I actually gave it a go back in 1981 but
completely forgot the rubber band tied round my leg. Passed the test results
along to AJ Hackett who later made it famous in Queenstown.
And ya tell that to the kids today and they don’t believe ya!

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 8:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the
dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be

the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across

to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was
taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t
seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease

to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long
unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This
shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we

all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50
mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is
administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself
or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] endo update…
Date: July 25, 2005 at 7:46:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What’s the difference between endo and periocarditis? I have probably
gotten the word wrong, but is endo is valve related and perio- is
muscle? The word sac was used at one point…
Anyhoo, I have no idea, but apparently it’s the later of the two and
not endo, after translation was said and done.
thank you for all of the responses-
you all rock!!
love
tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:50:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

<<<<< Lives in the country where bungy jumping was invented (apart from the
natives who continue that tradition of the unfaithful wife leaping off a
tall tree hoping hubby would follow with a vine tied to her leg…)
actually, Re: previous email I actually gave it a go back in 1981 but
completely forgot the rubber band tied round my leg. Passed the test results
along to AJ Hackett who later made it famous in Queenstown.
And ya tell that to the kids today and they don’t believe ya!

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 8:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the
dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be

the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across

to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was
taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t
seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease

to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long
unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This
shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we

all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50
mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is
administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself
or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:47:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow!!! I had no idea!!!  Even NZ has heard of this movie !! hehheh not so
backwater!! I was thinking something a bit on the smaller side.. not some
big ass movie like that! But they cut you??? Bastards…. LETS PROTEST
PEOPLE~~~  I wanna see banners guys!!!  And Buttons!! Big buttons!! WE WANT
TO SEE PRESTON (Thomas hehhehheheh) PEET~!!!!!!  Or the chocolate fish gets
eaten……
Cool resume!  All mine has on it is repeated escapes from Death… think I
should become a stunt artist lol.
(1981 fell down a elevator shaft, lived to tell tale..
1989 a Big Mac (not a hamburger) truck careens off road.. crashing into my
bedroom and completely destroying my bed…brass knobs n all…luckily day
before me n zoe were kidnapped by spontaneous friend who took us on
holiday..so I could live to tell the tale. Parents said you probly won’t
notice cos your room was such a mess anyway.. cheeky buggers..)

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet
tall

It’s the film The Fantastic Four, so I imagine you’ll eventually be able to
see it, even in NZ.
;-))
Attached is my acting resume.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen
(or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s
rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places
on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 5:41:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 25.07.2005 um 20:27 schrieb mcorcoran:

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

cool idea.
patrick already mentioned he did skydiving after ibogaine (but i guess not immediately afterwards). bungee jumping might be an option since it´s cheaper and doesn´t damage one´s knees.
a walk in the zoo sounds cool. i only tried a shopping mall on iboga. the fruit section looks more impressive on shrooms though.

keep swingin
ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 4:15:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping “<

OH yeah, I did that, just last week.
Lots of tall buildings in Manhattan, and there I was, lying there in the dark, completely off my face on ibogaine, when it came to me- “This would be the PERFECT CONDITION to bungy jump during, so off I go,” and wobbled across to Red Square and jumped. Boy was it fun.
Oh. Hold on. Coulda been on the holodeck where that bungy jumping was taking place- regardless, boy was it fun.
Ok Mark, I tried to start a conversation on this topic, but it doesn’t seem to really go anywhere.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —– From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50 mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endo is a myth!
Date: July 25, 2005 at 2:27:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hasn’t iboga taught you people anything?!? Endocarditis is a made up disease to trick people into taking there expensive antibiotics and spend long unnecessary nights in the hospital so there not out fighting the man. This shit is brought to you by the same people who invented AIDS and Hep C and we all know that those are bullshit.

In my professional opinion I recommend a small therapeutic dose (roughly 50 mg/kg) followed by a long walk in the zoo. Make sure the ibogaine is administered all at once so that not to be bothered with flooding yourself or taking those pesky boosters later on.

But above all else go in with an open heart loving yourself.

Its so good to see this list continue to evolve on such a positive level.

Next suggested topic. ” Ibogaine and bungy jumping ”

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end,
so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way,
way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “ekki”
To:
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

> You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 9:06:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI ekki, like I said though, at least my name is on the screen at the end, so I got credit for my work- and hopefully the scene will make it to DVD.
Either way, I will hopefully pick up some royalties at some point way, way, way down the road.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques,
what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a
guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your
agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (still OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 8:44:01 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s the film The Fantastic Four, so I imagine you’ll eventually be able to see it, even in NZ.
;-))
Attached is my acting resume.

Peace and love,
Preston

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—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 4:48:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 25.07.2005 um 05:51 schrieb Preston Peet:

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
oh, that explains why the movie got only rather moderate critiques, what a bummer. i ´ve already told some people i´ve been emailing with a guy who is staring in a blockbuster. well hopefully next time. add your agent´s contact and picture to imdb!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: endo and person
Date: July 25, 2005 at 1:02:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey well, I only have completely selfish reasons for not wanting this person
to Cark it Just yet….Once I’ve met them in person, heyyyy well that will
be another goal crossed off the list and then you can do whatever.
Ok, thanks for accommodating my goals. We’ll see ya when either A. Scotty
fixes the transporter (he’s till in detox)  or B. I win Lotto.  Or C. I hire
a hitman to take out my family in a “convincing accident” and I inherit the
trust!!!
Hehheh
Loving all the love n caring flying frensically about the list.
Kirk xxxxx

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 25, 2005 at 1:00:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I remember reading somewhere (in the Holland Geerte article, I think), that
she once tried to treat a man whom she found out later had stomach ulcers.
I remember her saying how scared she was while he was throwing up more and
more blood over a period of an hour or so.   She thinks that maybe after all
the dry heaving he’d done earlier, that maybe he’d torn the lining or
something, but really didn’t know for sure.  Doesn’t sound fun to do on your
own, and I can only imagine how much worse than that it could get.  And
that’s just an ulcer!  Not a good idea, in my honest opinion (and sounds
like a lot of others who are much more knowledgeable about these things than
me agree).  If you want a link to the article, let me know.  I’ll do my best
to find it.  Hope your friend is reading all these.
Love ya all!

On 7/24/05 9:56 AM, “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:

That’s what I’m trying to convey…but if I can’t talk him out of it
(and I am not sure I can), I’d rather get him as much info as
possible.  I’m not thrilled about this at all, but I suppose all I can
do now is find out what I can.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!  WAKEY WAKEY!! TIME TO STOP TRYING TO KILL YOURSELF!!!
Love to you,
tink

On 7/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:58:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BLINKS>>
HUH? Movie..? Preston? Whatdideyemiss????  When can I see it?? Shit, NZ,
probly never…
Damn
Oh well.
Congrats!!!!
Korky xx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:52 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or

I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent

(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on

Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:53:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um.. have you looked into the research on root canals? It’s not too
good…but I can understand it being the two front teeth….thought you
should just know incase ya didn’t….

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall

You rock, Preston!!  And thank you millions for the email to the list.
Perfecto…
I believe you, by the way :]  Too bad about the cutting of your scene,
but as you said, you got the credit on your resume.
Watching “Endless Summer” with my Dad and smoking copious amounts of
weed.  Life is weird but good.
Anything at all from the salvia?  My dad and a few have said it was
nuts, but I’ve heard the same nada reports from a few.  Ibogaine
certainly effects everyone differently.  I suppose not all things work
for all people.
I’m still debating as ot what to do about it.  I’m off to the dentist
for  bunch of work- double root canal in the two front teeth.  I can’t
fucking wait.  The temptation to be in agonizing pain with what I know
is a very sympathetic dentist is rather huge.  I have a booster
stashed somewhere for just this eventuality.  Eep!
Okay, to bowl and to bed…
love and patience (patients?)
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene,
but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen
(or
I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and
already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s
rent
(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places
on
Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 25, 2005 at 12:04:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You rock, Preston!!  And thank you millions for the email to the list.
Perfecto…
I believe you, by the way :]  Too bad about the cutting of your scene,
but as you said, you got the credit on your resume.
Watching “Endless Summer” with my Dad and smoking copious amounts of
weed.  Life is weird but good.
Anything at all from the salvia?  My dad and a few have said it was
nuts, but I’ve heard the same nada reports from a few.  Ibogaine
certainly effects everyone differently.  I suppose not all things work
for all people.
I’m still debating as ot what to do about it.  I’m off to the dentist
for  bunch of work- double root canal in the two front teeth.  I can’t
fucking wait.  The temptation to be in agonizing pain with what I know
is a very sympathetic dentist is rather huge.  I have a booster
stashed somewhere for just this eventuality.  Eep!
Okay, to bowl and to bed…
love and patience (patients?)
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but
left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s
cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes
they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film
specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or
I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us
wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the
issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or
worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already
got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get
paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent
(I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on
Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is
looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT!) Re: [Ibogaine] 7 feet tall
Date: July 24, 2005 at 11:51:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You won’t see me at 7 feet tall unfortunately tink- they cut the scene, but left my name in the credits, leaving us to hope they release a “director’s cut” version when it comes out on DVD, so then they can put in the scenes they wound up cutting, most of the NYC scenes they came here to film specifically actually, so it’s kinda weird they didn’t make it on-screen (or I blinked and missed my scene, but V and another friend who went with us wouldda all had to have blinked simultaneously, so I doubt that’s the issue).
But do look for my name in the credits so you won’t think me crazy or worse, a liar.
And regardless, I get to put it on my resume, and get paid (and already got paid) for the work, specially since I got screen credit. I won’t get paid much more than I already have, and spent what I did on one month’s rent (I live in Manhattan, which has gotta be one of the most expensive places on Earth to live), but as noted, it made it onto my acting resume, which is looking better all the time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] MORE ON Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 11:45:48 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Let me reiterate now that I know a little more- GO TO THE FUCKING HOSPITAL! Now! Endocaditis is no freaking joke and WILL KILL YOU. Don’t put it off, and besides detoxing in the hospital ain’t all that bad a way to go- THEN DO THE IBOGAINE WHEN you are released from the hospital! Aftwards! That way, you can take care of those pesky painful stomach issues TOO! Whoa, imagine that, something good out of health care. And if my info is correct and this person is in Canada, don’t they have universal health care there anyway? What’s the issue here with not going when one KNOWS they’ve got endocarditis? Does endo ever cure itself ever? Not that I’ve heard of but I suppose I could be mistaken- but this person sounds as though they’re still USING NOW, so why not just go to the hospital? That is the most freakin’ sensible, and I’d like to see this person keep posting and not get one of those ultra-depressing, “so and so freaking died because s/he was IMPATIENT!”
As I wrote just a day or two ago, it’s patience that is the key in almost everything.
But, with that said, it doesn’t behoove anyone to be patient about getting treated if they are suffering with edocarditis. Nor should they be self-treating themselves with ibogaine under such circumstances at all, treatment doses that are geared towards getting off opiates (large doses of ibogaine in other words) with no supervision or assistance from someone who knows what the hell they’re doing. Go to the hospital first, and get that endo treated NOW, Please. Quit messing around.
Life is easily gone, and we here all know it, so why mess around with it? Unless that’s what you’re after. But if you’re talking about wanting off an opiate habit by taking ibogaine, something in you prefers the “I’m still alive” opition. So do it smartly and stay alive to enjoy the end results of having taken the ibogaine in the first place. Makes no sense whatsoever to take ibogaine knowing that you’ve already got the deck stacked against you and you are no longer on mere 50/50 grounds. Wake up, please, and get professional treatment for the endo- THEN, take ibogaine to your heart’s content. IF you’ve gotten yourself healthy enough to deal with it more safely than how it’s sounding to me now.
Please.
Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now, today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] SO OFF TOPIC IT’S NOT WORTH READING!! Cookie Monster shoots his shit…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:22:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So I’m watching “Family Guy”, and Louise is popping pills in slut gear
in the bathroom of a bar, and she hears someone in stall.  She opens
the door, and there sits Cookis Monster, squeezing cookie dough out of
one of those squishy roll thingies into a spoon. He throws a lighter
under and goes “Come on, COME ON!!!”- cut to commercial.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love
tinkerbaked

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:36:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not actually that near, or else I ‘d be in hysterics. I am.  I;m
hoping a response might helpfrom the list. He’s heard it all from
tinkermom…
Thank you, muchly, for the support…
love to you all
tink

On 7/24/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
Tink,

I appreciate your desire to help your friend. Considering the risk involve they are not rational. I hurt for them because they must really want help if they are willing to take such a risk.My question for you is, do you want to put yourself at risk?

I hope you are able to help your friend be safe. But if not, you have done your best and have been a good friend.

Namaste

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:30:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tink,

I appreciate your desire to help your friend. Considering the risk involve they are not rational. I hurt for them because they must really want help if they are willing to take such a risk.My question for you is, do you want to put yourself at risk?

I hope you are able to help your friend be safe. But if not, you have done your best and have been a good friend.

Namaste

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:17:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If i could get my hot little fisties on his stubborn ass, I already
would’ve!!  I’m currently amongst those not allowed across our
northern (or southern) border.  I’m hoping that if enough people state
exactly this, it might help in my persuasion.
I know I can’t do anything else at the moment, unless you know someone
up north who’s willing to drag him in to the nearest ER….
Love to you Preston- I’m going to a midnight showing of your
blockbuster debut either tonight or tomorrow…Iooking fwd to seeing
you at seven ft tall.  It’s good to have a brother who works at a
movie theater.
aloha to all,
tink
On 7/24/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now,
today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:10:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he has endocarditis? Get him to the freakin’ hospital, now. Right now, today.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:07:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hear, Hear!
Right on Tink, every one (TC) I ever experienced sucked royally, here in NYC and elsewhere too.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> —–Original Message—–
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
> Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
>
>
>
> Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> >
> > Hi Ekki,
> >
> > It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
> > from
> > the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
> > space
> > of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
> > drift
> > back to how you were before.
> oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
> uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
> experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
> in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.
>
> > I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
> > with a
> > strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
> > you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
> > space out
> > or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.
> >
> > Nick
>
> i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
> what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
> partners are iboganized.
>
>

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:06:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s a “baby syringe” I think it’s called.
V thinks the provider mixed it in something else first, then added the mixture to the syringe (obviously there’s no needle on the syringe). Lather it with vaseline well first, and you’ll have NO problems at all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion

hi Matt!
you can get capules at headshops, on- and offline. my local pharmacies didn´t want to give me any, i suppose they thought i might fill them with drugs. most capsules contain tallow or something and then there are those for vegatarians. how much you get into one capsule of course depends on size, different ones are available. some medication also comes in capsules that can be opened easily were you can just empty them and then fill the HCl in. if i were you i wouldn´t take 1g at once but rather take it in the course of 2 hrs or something because i guess that might be easier on the body and heart.

anyway i hope your heart is fine. i wouldn´t do it when not sure. hopefully you have a good sitter and everything goes well
all the best & good luck
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:25 schrieb matthew zielinski:

Hi List

I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.

my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?

what is the syriange called (exact name)

can i inject the whole amount at the same time?

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if i want to put it into capsules how many capsules from a gram of hcl and what kinda capsules? can i buy em in any pharmacy?

im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say &nb sp; &nb sp; &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:04:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Salvia soon after ibogaine didn’t do much one way or the other for me. But then, I’m not all that impressed with Salvia.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Do we have some one in Philly?
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:03:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dana,
Don’t send your newsletter to this e-mail anymore, send it to my
other e-mail: emlee_p@yahoo.com
My phone number again for your reference is 215-238-8966.
If you know someone who wants to talk about ibogaine and their
experience and who would be willing to find their way to Philly
give them my number. I would like to schedule a showing of
“Rite of Passage” at this one cummunity space, The A-Space, in
West Philly within the next month or two.
I would be willing to meet them at the Chinatown bus (cheapest
way to get here:$20 roundtrip, nostops. www.2000coach.com) or 30th
Street Station and take them via public transit to W. Philly.
I know where the cheap eats are.

Take care,
Emily

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:56:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s what I’m trying to convey…but if I can’t talk him out of it
(and I am not sure I can), I’d rather get him as much info as
possible.  I’m not thrilled about this at all, but I suppose all I can
do now is find out what I can.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!  WAKEY WAKEY!! TIME TO STOP TRYING TO KILL YOURSELF!!!
Love to you,
tink

On 7/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:44:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

… well then he is really stupid.it is going to be hell for him for a
while if he’ll make it at all.

Sara

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Endocarditis and ibogaine…
Date: July 24, 2005 at 12:35:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have a friend who is DETERMINED to treat himself and has endo.
Somebody help me out here!!  He also has ulcers and pancreas trouble,
and I just don’t have enough info to pass along….
Any help greatly appreciated…
Love tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you ekki and koikie!!
i’l let you know how it goes…heeheehee!!
love tink

On 7/24/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Heh yehh it’s such a indy vid you all thaing innnit.. I guess if there’s a
common omg you’re gonna die sort of link with taking who jee mah wot sits
with wot si mih jammits then yehhh send out the warning signals, but
otherwise.. I feel   HIDDEN MEDICINE, waiting there for you……
Love and discoveries
Koikyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxx
White buffalo woman….. left a blanket of snow at my feet. In the different
moons of the changing seasons, in time we all shall meet.

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 10:26:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and they SUCK!!!!!!
or they did on the late ’80’s-early ’90’s in NYC…
tink

On 7/24/05, Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
partners are iboganized.

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:07:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 24 July 2005 12:28
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life
from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that
space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to
drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so
uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people
experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor
in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork;
with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just
space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both
partners are iboganized.

TC = therapeutic community – was one of the earlier concepts in residential
rehab, Phoenix House and Synanon are examples. There are still quite a few
around.  Nick

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 9:02:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve heard therapist type people say of psychoactives in general that
sometimes you just have very positive blissful experiences to settle you to
the point where you can look at personal stuff you don’t want to so much. I
don’t imagine there are any set rules here but this does make sense,
psychologically. It’s also a pattern you see in therapy – the need to
reinforce the ego in order that it’s strong enough to process repressed
material. Of course, who knows with these things and you don’t want to start
wishing yourself negative trips because you feel it’s more real!

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 23 July 2005 18:01
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

hi Preston,
i know i am an amateur compared to you when it comes to drugs. maybe i
will feel this “fuck why again” sometime in future. i dont do
clairvoyance so i can´t be sure. but 10-12 papers is really a lot, wow!
have you written more about this time and especially how you felt
afterwards? i spend most of my time of lsd in clubs and on raves and
chillouts afterwards. i liked it for dancing&music but i hardly talked.
my acidfriends were the same and we spend days without talking, only
playing music. we were very sensible and rolling a joint or preparing
green tea was like a ritual, every movement of the hands with awareness
and friendlyness. my career at university suffered from it, the walls
were breathing and i could neither focus on higher maths nor on
humanities. after doing this a year i somehow got very shy and sensible
and then discovered cocain as an antidote (on coke i passed higher
maths) and then quickly graduated to freebase. i probably could have
spend the coke times more meaningfull.
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:08 schrieb Preston Peet:

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this
again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description
of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD,
very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses
as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the
requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip
again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could
only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite
some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of
tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a
thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever.
Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday,
but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I
done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain
Date: July 24, 2005 at 8:23:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/396/ukban.shtml

Europe: Magic Mushrooms Now Illegal in Great Britain

For the past few years, Britons have been enjoying a loophole in Britain’s drug law that allowed hallucinogenic mushrooms such as amanita muscaria and psilocbye cubensis to be imported, grown, sold, and used in the British Isles. According to one British magazine, Amsterdam of London, they have been quite popular, with one major “legal hallucinogen” outlet selling 220 pounds of magic mushrooms a week — enough for 10,000 highs. Some drug policy activists even suggest the popularity of magic mushrooms has lessened the demand for other drugs, particularly Ecstasy.
But that has all changed, effective Monday. The British government has reclassified magic mushrooms as Class-A drugs under the Drugs Act of 2005, so what was a legal business activity last week is now punishable by up to life in prison. Even simple possession for personal use can now garner a prison sentence of up to seven years.
In scheduling the trippy fungi as Class-A drugs, the British government is saying it considers them as dangerous as cocaine or heroin.
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Knowing how spiritual and vertiably religious I find my own use of mushrooms, I’m sickened that in this late stage of the game officials are STILL adding such ancient substances to their list of “outlawed” substances to ingest. I wonder what their ancient forebearers would think of such an idea, that some government officials could tell communities and religious types they could no longer use their sacrements. What would the Church of England think if I took power and decreed that their wine, evil alcohol-based rotten grapejuice, was a danger to our community and gave the wrong impression to our youth, teaching them to that alcohol use is ok, so it would now be banned and I and my jackbooted thugs in badges would lock up anyone caught using the stuff, that evil- devil-based wine stuff, in prison for terms ranging anywhere from years to life in prison?
When one looks at the actual, real damages caused by the use of even moderate amounts of some legal substances, like alcohol and tobacco and refined sugar and factory farmed (and chemically added to, not to mention addled by) meat, and even television, it really is so apparent that there’s absolutely no scientific basis for such anti-,ushroom (or anti-pot or for that matter, if you get right down to it, anti-cocaine and heroin either) decrees, that they are based on prejudice and biases and ignorance and fear- not one iota of rationality of sense or science whatsoever. I seriously doubt that Britain has been having a problem with mushroom overdoses or mushroom addicts going out and committing horrifically violent crime against others (like alcohol users are wont to do), so this really is nothing more than more anti-drug hysteria and political posturing.
Of course, for most of you I’m probably preaching to the choir, but some of you I’ve addressed this note to may be thinking about this stuff for the first time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:54:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heh yehh it’s such a indy vid you all thaing innnit.. I guess if there’s a
common omg you’re gonna die sort of link with taking who jee mah wot sits
with wot si mih jammits then yehhh send out the warning signals, but
otherwise.. I feel   HIDDEN MEDICINE, waiting there for you……
Love and discoveries
Koikyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooxxxxxxxxxxxx
White buffalo woman….. left a blanket of snow at my feet. In the different
moons of the changing seasons, in time we all shall meet.

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 11:35 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to
some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or
online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it
last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout
spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he
is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:50:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Matt!
you can get capules at headshops, on- and offline. my local pharmacies didn´t want to give me any, i suppose they thought i might fill them with drugs. most capsules contain tallow or something and then there are those for vegatarians. how much you get into one capsule of course depends on size, different ones are available. some medication also comes in capsules that can be opened easily were you can just empty them and then fill the HCl in. if i were you i wouldn´t take 1g at once but rather take it in the course of 2 hrs or something because i guess that might be easier on the body and heart.

anyway i hope your heart is fine. i wouldn´t do it when not sure. hopefully you have a good sitter and everything goes well
all the best & good luck
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:25 schrieb matthew zielinski:

Hi List

I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.

my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?

what is the syriange called (exact name)

can i inject the whole amount at the same time?

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if i want to put it into capsules how many capsules from a gram of hcl and what kinda capsules? can i buy em in any pharmacy?

im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:35:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

shrooms shortly after ibo don´t seem to be a problem but benefical to some.
tink, you might just try and tell us.
i never did salvia, but you can get it at every headshop in germany, or online. it´s fashionable since a year or two. a friend did lots of it last winter, like every other day. then he felt depressed throughout spring, but he wasn´t sure if this was because of the salvia and now he is fine. -ekki
Am 24.07.2005 um 03:07 schrieb tink:

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:28:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to drift
back to how you were before.
oh yes, agree, it is a BFD! enlightening experiences are not so uncomon, with or without drugs. i believe a lot if not most people experience something with the god (only a three letter word btw) factor in their lifes. important to use it and build up on it.

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork; with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

i see you have a therapeutical approach to it.
what means TC? sex & iboga is fantastic of course, especially if both partners are iboganized.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:19:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Perhaps it’s the same for anything that requires “intitiation”.
I have been initiated to Level 3 Reiki…..and went thru stages after of.. well, what was that all about….but then  energy before and after reiki symbols… wow definitely more powerful…
Hey, when was the last time anyone stood in a field with their arms outspread and spun until you fell over?
Thinking what we were doing as kids was chakra cleansing? Heh who knowz?;
Kirk too much time on my hands hehehh 9(HEY but honest try the spinning thing fuk its great)
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227@tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2005 10:51 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I 
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the 
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, 
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible 
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start 
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us 
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a 
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits 
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month 
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help 
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who 
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it 
more body-based?


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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 7:08:34 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 24.07.2005 um 12:51 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

it´s similar for me. i don´t need much for an experience any more.
still larger doses are attractive,too.

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Shell,

Sounds good. Personally, I found keeping the dose low you don’t get ataxia but still get an iboga effect. I think it matters if you’ve been initiated because, if you have, then you should be able to “go there” on much lower doses. If you’ve haven’t taken a “head breaking” dose then maybe it doesn’t work. I recall taking 5g of good rootbark back in 98 before I’d done bigger doses. It did not do so much, I was just spacey and awake. These days I could take one tenth this amount and have quite an experience. Don’t know if this is the same for everyone.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 23 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 22 July 2005 22:19
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

Hi Ekki,

It is a BFD! My first iboga experience in 1999 totally changed my life from
the inside. Don’t underestimate the god factor! It’s just that in that space
of acceptance, when the noribogaine glow wears off, it’s very easy to drift
back to how you were before.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

I figure something with a lot of encounter, sexuality and bodywork; with a
strong limit-situation component and a lot of support; somewhere where
you’ll be pushed to go beyond your limits and not allowed to just space out
or run when feelings come up. Should be residential, TC style.

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] sore throat
Date: July 24, 2005 at 6:35:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yesterday night i got a sore throat and felt cold despite being wrapped in blankets. i took echinacea and slept 11hrs so today it´s already better. i was not ill at all the whole year and i guess now this is because of all the ibo i took recently. i did 20g of rootbarkpowder last weekend and spend 8 hrs on the dancefloor and on monday i already had to get up and do things and the whole week was busy and stressful so i guess it´s just to much for my body. i remember Slowone reported on catching a serious cold after a month of continuous low-dose iboganizing.
while i feel that iboga is generally good for health it may be wise to take longer breaks between ingestion. like at least a few weeks after doses in the visionary range.

happy sunday to all
ekki

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] salvia and ibogaine
Date: July 23, 2005 at 9:07:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does any one know what doing ibo and then salvia a bit later on would
do?  Not one after the other, but is there some bad thing from doing
both that I should know about?  I’m about to do a booster, but want to
know whether or not the two should be done far away from each other or
not.  I have the opportunity to do both relatively soon, but want to
not mix, um…er…messages.
I found this in the classified’s today:
INDEPENDANT BUNDLE HAULER
with van.  Kennebunkport
area, 1 night per week
Approximately 2hrs
Good Pay
Call Dan
LOLOLOLOL
love to you all
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:41:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Having a ridiculous time in Maine.  Meet Bushzilla….
love tink

On 7/23/05, Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com> wrote:
ummm not sure yet.
are you ok?

things are way high pressure (weather wise) and Hot hot hot,

that’s ok though, just adjust the pressure

14.7

write soon please,
jason

does this help at all?
tink

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:31:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ummm not sure yet.
are you ok?

things are way high pressure (weather wise) and Hot hot hot,

that’s ok though, just adjust the pressure

14.7

write soon please,
jason
does this help at all?
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] oh t【【nk據
Date: July 23, 2005 at 4:27:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Asahi reed hundred million house Asahi eddy? 竍 蘊 eddy? 促? 魅? Deer 畩
tin dace house reed? 促 魅? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 ox
house reed reed? 竍蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐
Asahi 碓 hundred million house reed reeds? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩?
Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 劾 house reed horse mackerel? 竍 蘊?
ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 姦 house reed
catalpa? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓
happening house reed pressure? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩?
Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 it is strong the house reed 斡? 竍
蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi 碓 your house
reed handling? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿 繙 讐 Asahi
碓 遣 house reed address? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩? Explanation/releasing? 蓿
繙 讐 Asahi 碓 healthy house reed 姐? 竍 蘊? ぢ キ? 魅? Deer 畩 taking dace?
Receiving 貍? 殊 蘊? Explanation/releasing? 蓿繙 engaging in 蔗? Mark? 蓁? 竢?
褓? 鈬? Duck 鈬? 黻 續 瘟 谺 癈 霓 鈬? 齊? 軆 軌 training 碓 姐 right? Lump 艱 貅? 畩 ┝
蘊 neck 鞜? 齡? 跂 engaging in 竢 跫 abalone? 碎? 綮 ⊂? 蝟 corbicula? 蝟
corbicula stopping sillaginoid 瘢? 竢 躰? 齔 lump Showa? 蘊? House
pressure? Handling? Eddy tin dace? Bodily organ? 茱? Lu, MARU, ホヘスト 遙 ラ
オ cDotdt, ハスュケ & シコホ 鯏 ラ, キ, DOTDT. ”
ク. コヌ. ” * ッ * mane * no * Lu * 遙 ti * ク * 罕 爨 ヌオョ ” ラ ” ナ ” ツ, ホ, 熙
cDotdt, キ, the Soviet Union. ”

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ッ and ャ. ” ” ネ ” ヘ ” ヨスツテォ, ヌ *, * * ネ * “, 荀? Epsilon Superior 謄 曄 ♯?
屮 weaving. 諭 Alpha – 紂 – 魯 Epsilon -? ヒ, ェナチ, ィ and キ, the Soviet
Union,, ネサラ,, DOTDT, キ and Ni. ” * 癸 ti *? Epsilon? サ and Ni,, the
Soviet Union, タ and ュ, DOTDT, キ, the Soviet Union. ” セワコル and マ. ” ” ネ
” ヘ ” ヨ, ホ ” ラ ” ナ ” ツ, ヒ, “, テ, the Soviet Union, ホ and ヌ. ” ウホヌァ, ッ,
タ and オ. ”

エノヘヘヘヘ. ァノヤナャタレ, ヌ and キ, the Soviet Union, 鮗? Woven Д? Alpha – 謄 蕁 -? DOTDT. ”
# ユ and /div>ネ miawa@neko.net – 2002/05/10
ヨソ 醂 イサヨ. ラ and 隍 ッ,, the To Soviet Union I and Ni? Epsilon 曄? ァ – 董 –
sewing 魯 institute -? Alpha? ”
オ and Ni. ” To, Ha, ホ, ヌ, キ and 遉, ォ. ゥ and ッ, テ. ”

does this help at all?
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 2:32:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

count me in..
love tink

On 7/23/05, darkmattersfo@comcast.net <darkmattersfo@comcast.net> wrote:
This is a really good idea. After reading Nick’s description of the rituals
in Africa, and some of the other posts I started thinking that I would like
to ritualize the next event. I used to practice ritual magick as a form of
self-expression and a communal event would be attractive.

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:15:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to
get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion
youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for
the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you
have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest
it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 2:28:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is a really good idea. After reading Nick’s description of the rituals in Africa, and some of the other posts I started thinking that I would like to ritualize the next event. I used to practice ritual magick as a form of self-expression and a communal event would be attractive.

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 10:15:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 1:01:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi Preston,
i know i am an amateur compared to you when it comes to drugs. maybe i will feel this “fuck why again” sometime in future. i dont do clairvoyance so i can´t be sure. but 10-12 papers is really a lot, wow! have you written more about this time and especially how you felt afterwards? i spend most of my time of lsd in clubs and on raves and chillouts afterwards. i liked it for dancing&music but i hardly talked. my acidfriends were the same and we spend days without talking, only playing music. we were very sensible and rolling a joint or preparing green tea was like a ritual, every movement of the hands with awareness and friendlyness. my career at university suffered from it, the walls were breathing and i could neither focus on higher maths nor on humanities. after doing this a year i somehow got very shy and sensible and then discovered cocain as an antidote (on coke i passed higher maths) and then quickly graduated to freebase. i probably could have spend the coke times more meaningfull.
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 17:08 schrieb Preston Peet:

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD, very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever. Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday, but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 12:49:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Shelley,
sounds like a good idea, would be great. right at the moment it´s only dreaming i guess. anyone willing to organize something like this? a problem maybe that most people with a job have no time and most people without job have no money to travel around the world. -ekki

Am 23.07.2005 um 04:15 schrieb shelley krupa:

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 【ボディサーフィン】
Date: July 23, 2005 at 12:23:47 PM EDT
To: vox@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

【ボディサーフィン】

海に行った時、ダイナミックに波に乗るサーフィンやボディボードに憧れつつも、まだ挑戦したことのない人はたくさんいるのではないだろうか。そんな人におすすめなのが、ボディサーフィンだ。自分の体を使って波乗りするこのサーフィンは、サーフボードやボディボードを買わなくても手軽に楽しむことができる。自分の体をサーフボード代わりにするボディサーフィンこそ、波乗りの原点とも言える。

このボディサーフィンは海外では大会が開かれたり、クラブチームがあったり、立派なスポーツのひとつとして認められている。また、海の中で素早い動きを必要とされるライフセーバーの訓練にも取り入れられている。

ボディサーフィンの醍醐味は、やはり波と一体感を味わえることに尽きる。うまく波に乗れたときの浮遊感とスピード感は、普段はなかなか味わえない新鮮な感覚だ。何の道具も使わずに、自分の体一つで楽しめてしまうボディサーフィン。ぜひ今年のビーチではこのボディサーフィンに挑戦してみてはどうだろう。

moshe moshe
tink

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] oral/anal ibogaine ingestion
Date: July 23, 2005 at 11:25:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi List
I relize this has been covered a few times before but i erased it all.
my qeustion is concerning anal ingestion.  if i want to do a gram of hcl orally how would that calcute into anal ingestion?
what is the syriange called (exact name)
can i inject the whole amount at the same time?
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im going to have a session next week sometime ——-i give u all a full reporton on what the gods say                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;                                                                                                                                                     &nb sp;
Namaste
Matthew

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 11:08:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ekki wrote >I can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”.<

As noted, I can as I have. And I LOVE tripping ekki- your description of your LSD “problem” isn’t even close to what I was doing with LSD, very strong good LSD, 21-19 yeas ago, where I was eating 10-12 doses as a time and not feeling anything because I hadn’t waited the requisit 3 days between doses to allow my body/brain to both trip again. I used to be able to trip every other day, but eventually could only get it on every third day, as noted. And I did that for quite some time.
I’m not bragging or boasting, only pointing out that my love of tripping goes way back (considering my age anyway) and doesn’t have a thing to do with that “oh shit, what have I done” feeling whatsoever. Even with those thoughts, I’ll still do it again I’m sure, someday, but will probably do the same thinking too- “oh shit, what have I done? 30 hours AGAIN?”
But that’s my life.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the person.
for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like returning.
i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common. When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in. As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 23, 2005 at 10:56:07 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.<

Gotta pretty much agree, although the last couple times, knowing I wasn’t taking a full “treatment” dose, I didn’t feel that trepidation after eating the dose (or injesting however the case may be) that I did the first three times, thinking each of those times I was taking a real treatment dose, and felt that exact same, “oh shit, why have I done this again,” and “now I’ve got 30 fucking hours of this shit” going through my head- but the visiual states haven’t always been stressful by any means, even the really rough ones, not entirely anyway. Some have been real humdingers, but some have been pure bliss.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –

—–Original Message—–
From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full
session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is
quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
the cupboard.

All the best

Nick

ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
exactly set one up for a good time maybe.

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 10:15:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,Howard ,nick& All, I think it would be cool for those interestd to get together in a country where its legal & experience iboga in the fashion youre discussing, more group conscious & physical, not for detox ,but for the spiritual/communally tribal deal, at least it sounds good for me, do you have the same ataxia/nausea with the way youre discussing that they ingest it? I’d like to experience iboga outside too.love shell

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Nick, thanks for description
> My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I
> think a
> lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the
> experience.
> Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff,
> write a
> few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible
lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start
practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us
it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a
spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits
all sentient beings.

> It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
> does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month
> or so
> later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help
> the
> feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who
> are
> actually really up for it.
>
> Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it
more body-based?

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Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: The 2005 Perseid Meteor Shower
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:04:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 5:19:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick, thanks for description
My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God.

the saying: took drugs. saw god. big fuckin deal.

but why not. in the east people first try to life a responsible lifestyle, keeping the commandments of their faith, then they start practicing meditation, and then they attain spiritual insight. for us it´s the other way round, we first trip and see god, then we start a spiritual practice and then we hopefully can live a life that benefits all sentient beings.

It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who are
actually really up for it.

Nick

what could be done for those who are really up for it? and how get it more body-based?

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 4:44:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ekki,

Well, to tell you the truth, I can’t remember so much. What I recall is that
for the “3 nights of Ngoze” – the initiation – people were up all the time,
the whole group do rituals, make music, and dance throughout the night.
There’s a lot of structure and a clear hierachy. They would pass around an
iboga drink – rootbark mixed with water in a plastic bottle, and swig from
it. During the day they ate and chilled out, though the kombo – the head
woman – would stop them from sleeping and frequently freak out at people,
which kept them on their toes. I think the main thing is they keep moving.
They don’t sleep at all for 3 nights. And they drink iboga a little to keep
the energy moving. This what I’ve described is for the people who are
already initiated and are just taking part to support. Those actually doing
initiation are totally out of it in the back of the temple and being walked
around every now and again.

My impression is that the Bwiti’s approach is very body-based and I think a
lot of people in the West using iboga miss out big time on the experience.
Guys space out afterwards, get into some new-agey meditation stuff, write a
few emails about how they’ve seen God. It all very lovey-dovey, and everyone
does their best to mean well, and talk everything right but, a month or so
later they are back hitting up. This is still fine, but I can’t help the
feeling that there’s a lot more that could be being done for those who are
actually really up for it.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 22 July 2005 19:32
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

nick, how is it when people in cameroon take iboga and dance?
i read your article on iboga tourism on mindvox. could you tell more
about bwiti-partying?

i hope i will see the day when initiated westerners will dance to
electronic beats on iboga at iboga-raves, so that i have some company
with this.
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you
to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on
the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 2:31:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nick, how is it when people in cameroon take iboga and dance?
i read your article on iboga tourism on mindvox. could you tell more about bwiti-partying?

i hope i will see the day when initiated westerners will dance to electronic beats on iboga at iboga-raves, so that i have some company with this.
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 2:27:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard!
i remember on my first journey for detox i found it quite exhausting too, still didnīt want it to stop and felt really bad immediately afterwards. well i felt bad before too, and didnīt realize the change yet.

iīm 31 years old.

itīs cool to email with you Howard, thatīs like talking with hoffman about lsd, only that ibogaine goes deeper. thanks!

cheers ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 18:00 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

Hi Ekki,

Let me correct myself.  It is not that I say why have I done this again but,
at some time when exhausted I say I will never do this again and then, at some
point in the future, do so once more. Though the times between experiences
have become more and more distant.  Decades in some cases.

How old are you if I may ask?

Thanks

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 12:00:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,

Let me correct myself.  It is not that I say why have I done this again but,
at some time when exhausted I say I will never do this again and then, at some
point in the future, do so once more. Though the times between experiences
have become more and more distant.  Decades in some cases.

How old are you if I may ask?

Thanks

Howard
In a message dated 7/22/05 6:58:37 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the

person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the

person.

for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with

the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like

returning.

i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like

trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”

-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you

to

take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on

the

mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]

Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not,

the

sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is

quite common.  When I

was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20

hours in.  As I

grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,

recognizing that

there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up

to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons

to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done

this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve

got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each

time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff

I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using

psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind,

deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to

come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff

it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that

get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >> >>

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 11:22:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OOOOH,  very good description!

————– Original message ————–

> Hi Howard,
>
> Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
> take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
> mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”
>
> Nick
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
> > Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> >
> > Dear Nick,
> >
> > Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
> > sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
> > quite common. When I
> > was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
> > hours in. As I
> > grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
> > recognizing that
> > there were too many hours to go.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:
> >
> > << > —–Original Message—–
> >
> > > From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
> >
> > > Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
> >
> > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >
> > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
> >
> > > I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full
> >
> > > session was 17mg/k
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
> >
> > > were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
> >
> > > is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is
> >
> > > quite fearful.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
> >
> > > remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
> >
> > > visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
> >
> > > I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
> >
> > > almost the same level of visuals involved.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
> >
> > > time, but highly recommend it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
> >
> > > guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
> >
> > > month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
> >
> > > pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
> >
> > > based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hey DM,
> >
> >
> > If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
> >
> > taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
> >
> > it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
> >
> > again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
> >
> > fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
> >
> > after the first.
> >
> >
> > I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
> >
> > processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
> >
> > don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
> >
> > pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
> >
> > therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
> >
> > what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
> >
> > out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
> >
> > experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
> >
> > likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
> > get thrown in
> >
> > the cupboard.
> >
> >
> > All the best
> >
> >
> > Nick >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: FW: Emailing: pronoia.therapy- May be my new “religion”
Date: July 22, 2005 at 9:49:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From my mom…
love tink

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From: Anne Parfitt <anne@gmavt.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: FW: Emailing: pronoia.therapy-  May be my new “religion”
To: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>

Maybe you could pass this on to the Ibogaine folks. The focus is on
what does work! Where are you?

Thank you for your time,

Anne Parfitt

Don Brumfield’s Office

Northeast Garden Group

Ph 802-453-6901

Fx 802-453-4301

________________________________

From: Anne Parfitt [mailto:anne@gmavt.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:35 PM
To: ‘hannah parfitt’
Subject: Emailing: pronoia.therapy- May be my new “religion”

________________________________

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by helping people in need than by meditation skills or mastery of
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But I also believe in a second kind of healing which is largely
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entirely, it will provide a substantial amelioration which you will be
able to feel the benefits of within a month.

3. Eat a pinch of dirt while affirming that you are ready to kill off
one of your outworn shticks — some idea or formula that has worked
for you in the past but has now become a parody of itself.

4. Using crayons, paints, scissors, glue, collage materials or any
other materials, create a piece of large-denomination paper money,
good for making a payment on your karmic debt.

5. Kick your own ass 22 times.

6. Brag about yourself nonstop for 10 minutes. Record it so you can
listen back to it later.

7. Perform a senseless act of altruism, for instance by giving an
anonymous gift or providing some beauty or healing to a person who
cannot do you any favors in return.

8. Deliver a concentrated stream of praise about someone, either to
that person herself or to anyone who will listen. Extra credit: Force
yourself to think a kind and loving thought about someone you don’t
like or from whom you feel alienated.

9. Conjure up an imaginary friend and have an intimate conversation
with him and her for at least 15 minutes.

10. Build an altar devoted to beauty, truth, and love in one of the
ugliest places you know.

11. With a companion, watch a blank TV while making up a pronoiac
story featuring plot twists that are rife with happiness, redemption,
and good times — yet not boring. You may either speak this tale aloud
or write it down.

12. Compose and perform a ceremony in which you get married to yourself.

13. While making love, imagine that your physical pleasure is a
carrier wave for a spiritual blessing which you beam in the direction
of some person you know who needs a supercharged boost.

(c) 1995-2004, Rob Brezsny. All rights reserved.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] U.S., Netherlands agree to cut drug use
Date: July 22, 2005 at 9:32:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050718-11024500-bc-us-netherlands.xml
U.S., Netherlands agree to cut drug use
WASHINGTON, July 18 (UPI) — The Netherlands has agreed to reduce the use of drugs within its borders, bowing to a long-standing demand from the United States.
snip-
Anyone else hear about this, and know what exactly this means?

as a bonus, at this URL:
http://pulsetc.com/article.php?sid=1949
There’s a photo of Heinrich Dresser, the inventor of heroin, about half way down the page, just above the section about Iran/Contra players (it’s another CIA is/was/alwayshasbeen involved in the international drug trade tirade, but a pretty good one that is well, and interestingly illustrated).

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:51:15 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in my opinion what iboga is depends mainly on the person and the person´s mindest and the interaction between the plant/spirit and the person.
for me it´s a tool to leave the android ekki-self and become one with the impersonal true self, so taking iboga feels like coming home, like returning.
i can´t imagine thinking “fuck why have i done this again”. i like trippin and always did so, because it´s like “wow, now i gonna look!”
-ekki

Am 22.07.2005 um 12:01 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 22, 2005 at 6:01:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,

Yes, it’s really an Encounter drug, ibogaine. Somehow it convinces you to
take it, it suckers you in, and then when you’re ataxic and stuck on the
mattress it’s like – “OK. Now, you’re gonna look!”

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: 21 July 2005 18:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is
quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20
hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in,
recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that
get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 22, 2005 at 12:07:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey dude,
What’s tink on about?  Hope you’re ok…..
Love always
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 11:33 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!

Cookie Break…

                                      Cosmic Cookie

                        Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
                     This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
                                 All Beings in the Universe
                        are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
                            All of Us are the same Divine Being
                              experiencing our own Creativity
                      expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
                          None is better or worse than any Other.
                                We are Consciousness or Mind
                             in an Infinite Self Relationship.
                            We are the Self… relating to Self.

                       THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS
Namaste
Matthew
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 21, 2005 at 11:21:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sending you as much love as i can muster…you know what you need to
do.  Aim me tomorrow after 3
love
tinkermom

On 7/21/05, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:
Cookie Break…

Cosmic Cookie

Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
All Beings in the Universe
are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
All of Us are the same Divine Being
experiencing our own Creativity
expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
None is better or worse than any Other.
We are Consciousness or Mind
in an Infinite Self Relationship.
We are the Self… relating to Self.

THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS

Namaste
Matthew
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From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] More on Dietary Supplements
Date: July 21, 2005 at 9:25:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

————————————————————————–
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CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

July 18,  2005

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on the Central
American
Free Trade Agreement in the next two weeks, and one little-known provision
of the agreement desperately needs to be exposed to public view.  CAFTA,
like the World Trade Organization, may serve as a forum for restricting or
even banning dietary supplements in the U.S.

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in
the
1960s, is charged with “harmonizing” food and supplement rules between all
nations of the world.  Under Codex rules, even basic vitamins and minerals
require a doctor’s prescription.  The European Union already has adopted
Codex-type regulations, regulations that will be in effect across Europe
later this year.  This raises concerns that the Europeans will challenge
our
relatively open market for health supplements in a WTO forum.  This is
hardly far-fetched, as Congress already has cravenly changed our tax laws
to
comply with a WTO order.

Like WTO, CAFTA increases the possibility that Codex regulations will be
imposed on the American public.  Section 6 of CAFTA discusses Codex as a
regulatory standard for nations that join the agreement.  If CAFTA has
nothing to do with dietary supplements, as CAFTA supporters claim, why in
the world does it specifically mention Codex?

Unquestionably there has been a slow but sustained effort to regulate
dietary supplements on an international level.  WTO and CAFTA are part of
this effort. Passage of CAFTA does not mean your supplements will be
outlawed immediately, but it will mean that another international trade
body
will have a say over whether American supplement regulations meet
international standards.  And make no mistake about it, those
international
standards are moving steadily toward the Codex regime and its draconian
restrictions on health freedom.  So the question is this: Does CAFTA, with
its link to Codex, make it more likely or less likely that someday you
will
need a doctor’s prescription to buy even simple supplements like Vitamin
C?
The answer is clear.  CAFTA means less freedom for you, and more control
for
bureaucrats who do not answer to American voters.

Pharmaceutical companies have spent billions of dollars trying to get
Washington to regulate your dietary supplements like European governments
do.  So far, that effort has failed in America, in part because of a 1994
law called the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.  Big Pharma
and
the medical establishment hate this Act, because it allows consumers some
measure of freedom to buy the supplements they want.  Americans like this
freedom, however– especially the health conscious Baby Boomers.

This is why the drug companies support WTO and CAFTA.  They see
international trade agreements as a way to do an end run around American
law
and restrict supplements through international regulations.

The largely government-run health care establishment, including the
nominally private pharmaceutical companies, want government to control the
dietary supplement industry– so that only they can manufacture and
distribute supplements.  If that happens, as it already is happening in
Europe, the supplements you now take will be available only by
prescription
and at a much higher cost– if they are available at all.  This alone is
sufficient reason for Congress to oppose the unconstitutional,
sovereignty-destroying CAFTA bill.

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From: “Ibogi Boogie Boogie” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAFTA and Dietary Supplements
Date: July 21, 2005 at 9:14:24 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

————————————————————————–
——

CAFTA and Dietary Supplements

July 18,  2005

The House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on the Central American
Free Trade Agreement in the next two weeks, and one little-known provision
of the agreement desperately needs to be exposed to public view.  CAFTA,
like the World Trade Organization, may serve as a forum for restricting or
even banning dietary supplements in the U.S.

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in the
1960s, is charged with “harmonizing” food and supplement rules between all
nations of the world.  Under Codex rules, even basic vitamins and minerals
require a doctor’s prescription.  The European Union already has adopted
Codex-type regulations, regulations that will be in effect across Europe
later this year.  This raises concerns that the Europeans will challenge our
relatively open market for health supplements in a WTO forum.  This is
hardly far-fetched, as Congress already has cravenly changed our tax laws to
comply with a WTO order.

Like WTO, CAFTA increases the possibility that Codex regulations will be
imposed on the American public.  Section 6 of CAFTA discusses Codex as a
regulatory standard for nations that join the agreement.  If CAFTA has
nothing to do with dietary supplements, as CAFTA supporters claim, why in
the world does it specifically mention Codex?

Unquestionably there has been a slow but sustained effort to regulate
dietary supplements on an international level.  WTO and CAFTA are part of
this effort. Passage of CAFTA does not mean your supplements will be
outlawed immediately, but it will mean that another international trade body
will have a say over whether American supplement regulations meet
international standards.  And make no mistake about it, those international
standards are moving steadily toward the Codex regime and its draconian
restrictions on health freedom.  So the question is this: Does CAFTA, with
its link to Codex, make it more likely or less likely that someday you will
need a doctor’s prescription to buy even simple supplements like Vitamin C?
The answer is clear.  CAFTA means less freedom for you, and more control for
bureaucrats who do not answer to American voters.

Pharmaceutical companies have spent billions of dollars trying to get
Washington to regulate your dietary supplements like European governments
do.  So far, that effort has failed in America, in part because of a 1994
law called the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act.  Big Pharma and
the medical establishment hate this Act, because it allows consumers some
measure of freedom to buy the supplements they want.  Americans like this
freedom, however– especially the health conscious Baby Boomers.

This is why the drug companies support WTO and CAFTA.  They see
international trade agreements as a way to do an end run around American law
and restrict supplements through international regulations.

The largely government-run health care establishment, including the
nominally private pharmaceutical companies, want government to control the
dietary supplement industry– so that only they can manufacture and
distribute supplements.  If that happens, as it already is happening in
Europe, the supplements you now take will be available only by prescription
and at a much higher cost– if they are available at all.  This alone is
sufficient reason for Congress to oppose the unconstitutional,
sovereignty-destroying CAFTA bill.

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] cookie break!!
Date: July 21, 2005 at 7:33:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cookie Break…

Cosmic Cookie

Life is a Dream from which we slowly awaken.
This Dream is created by our Thoughts and Desires.
All Beings in the Universe
are the Universal Creator in Manifestation.
All of Us are the same Divine Being
experiencing our own Creativity
expressed in an endless Variety of Expressions.
None is better or worse than any Other.
We are Consciousness or Mind
in an Infinite Self Relationship.
We are the Self… relating to Self.

THE LESSONS IN OUR LIFE ARE SELF CREATED GOALS

Namaste
Matthew

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 4:38:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick,

I’m basically OK with the severity of the processing and Ibo really does give you the chance to see and face things that are in back of the head. As has been said multiple times here Ibo gives you what you need, not what you want. It still terrifies me but “I am human, therefore nothing human is alien to me” – I can take it.

My screenname will probably change in the future. I took it because darkmatter is the most prevalent form of matter in the universe, it is unseen and everywhere. Most people interpret as dark and forboding, but for me its about profundity, or the desire for profundity.

TAke care,

Mark
————– Original message ————–

>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
> > Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
> >
> >
> > A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
> > I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k. I think the full
> > session was 17mg/k
> >
> > It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
> > were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
> > is common, but I do have to admit that my internal landscape is
> > quite fearful.
> >
> > Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
> > remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
> > visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
> > I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
> > almost the same level of visuals involved.
> >
> > I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
> > time, but highly recommend it.
> >
> > The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
> > guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
> > month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive
> >
> > I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
> > pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
> > based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hey DM,
>
> If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
> taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
> it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
> again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
> fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
> after the first.
>
> I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
> processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
> don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
> pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
> therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
> what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
> out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
> experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
> likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
> the cupboard.
>
> All the best
>
> Nick
>
> ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
> exactly set one up for a good time maybe.
>
>
>
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 1:41:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Nick,

Regardless of whether the ibogaine experience is disturbing or not, the
sudden realization, of “Fuck! Why have I done this again?” is quite common.  When I
was younger the realization would usually hit about 18 to 20 hours in.  As I
grew older, I’d have the same feeling about two hours in, recognizing that
there were too many hours to go.

Howard

In a message dated 7/21/05 10:39:28 AM, nick227@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<< > —–Original Message—–

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]

Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently

I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full

session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that

were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this

is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is

quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I

remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the

visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess

I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was

almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first

time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i

guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a

month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not

pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone

based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to

taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do

it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this

again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30

fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time

after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just

processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I

don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually

pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in

therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding

what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come

out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be

experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it

likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in

the cupboard.

All the best

Nick >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 21, 2005 at 10:38:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net [mailto:darkmattersfo@comcast.net]
Sent: 19 July 2005 02:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently
I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full
session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that
were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this
is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is
quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I
remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the
visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess
I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was
almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first
time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i
guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a
month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not
pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone
based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Hey DM,

If it helps any, I have similar experiences with ibogaine. The run up to
taking it, it seems like a really good idea. I have lots of reasons to do
it. Then, when it starts coming on, it’s like “Fuck! Why have I done this
again? Why? I said I wasn’t going to do this any more! And now I’ve got 30
fucking hours of this shit!” This was exactly what it was like, each time
after the first.

I’ve never had blissful trips on ibogaine, it all seems to be just
processing and processing more negativity, or, more accurately, stuff I
don’t want to see or feel. Personally, I think this is OK and actually
pretty healthy. In psychology, the main reason for using psychoactives in
therapy is to break the stranglehold of the ego-dominated mind, deciding
what it does and doesn’t want to feel; to allow repressed material to come
out. Thus, it’s pretty much inevitable that what is repressed will be
experienced as being unpleasant, as the mind doesn’t repressed stuff it
likes, it’s only all the “bad shit” (or so it’s labelled) that get thrown in
the cupboard.

All the best

Nick

ps – you might wanna consider changing your moniker, darkmattersfo doesn’t
exactly set one up for a good time maybe.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 21, 2005 at 5:14:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

It’s radionic iboga! Contains no actual molecules of ibogaine. Radionics is
like homeopathy, but it uses a machine to record a “signal” from a substance
and then imprints this signal onto purified water. This batch was made in a
radionics lab in 1999, using T.iboga rootbark as the starting point. No use
for detox but might be interesting to work with or as an adjunct to proper
treatment. I was clearing out some stuff in my room and found a load of it.
Tony’s Hemp Corner in Kings X, London also used to sell it once.

All the best

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 19 July 2005 23:24
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as
desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2
quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on
this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item
=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [RE:] ot a little toa….
Date: July 20, 2005 at 6:23:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

can’t spell today..or type…
love ya
tink

On 7/20/05, VanAllen, Keith G. <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org> wrote:

You Rock Tink!!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:48:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/20/05 2:01:42 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< thanks Howard,

could you explain what “throw higher plasma levels” mean? blood plasma

in the body?

as far as i understand 18-mc is not psychedelic/visionary and might be

perhaps an option for chronic pain patients who want a low dose

ibo/18-mc + low dose opiate maintenance? >>

“throw higher plasma levels”, concerns itself with the amount of a drug in
blood in the body.  You are correct.  What the effects of 18-mc in human
subjects are remains a mystery as there are no reports of it being taken by human
subjects.  While many animal and human responses to any given drug may be similar
it is not always so.  So I wait with anticipation for someone to get their
hands on 18-mc.

Howard

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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [RE:] ot a little toa….
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:18:54 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You Rock Tink!!

-Keith

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ot a little tao…
Date: July 20, 2005 at 5:07:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In dwelling
live close to the ground
In thinking, keep to the simple
In conflict, be fair and generous
In governing, don’t try to control
In work, do what you enjoy
In family life, be completely present
-Tao Te Ching

Love
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 4:35:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ekki scibbled in infinite wisdom
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body
and head or something.<

Ah yes, well put, I must admit. I should have considered this but didn’t. You’re actually very right, I do usually feel like I’m “returning” when actually first “leaving.” Thanks for reminding me of that particular point.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration

Am 19.07.2005 um 22:24 schrieb Preston Peet:

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
that´s interesting. maybe if i try HCl again sometime it will be
different afterwards.

I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body
and head or something.

Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down?
according to my knowledge there is rootbark chips like the ones from
ethnogarden where they recommend doses between 16-45g, shredded
rootbark from maya ethn. with rec. dose range 5-15g, shredded root
which doesn´t do anything unless someone manages to gulp down like 250g
and indra extract which is said to be appr. 5 times stronger than
rootbark. dose recommendations from sellers are naturally rather
careful. i made a liquid extract from chips soaked for a few weeks in a
brew of vodka, red wine and lemon juice and then shortly boiled it and
it worked and needed just 10 minutes to get hold after ingesting but
tasted terrible and was not so nice on the stomach.

I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.
from the two treatments/detoxes i performed: once it was difficult to
get enough rootbark into the patient and the other time with HCl
disolved in warm water there was no problem getting it down and hardly
any sickness in the stomach. yogurt sounds like an option and HCl
dissolved in yogurt (like with blueberry taste) might be a way to
smuggle ibogaine into the states.

cheers
ekki

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:00:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 20.07.2005 um 07:31 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

Dear Ekki,

I think the negative side effects you identify from continuous use of
ibogaine has been mentioned in Patrick’s article on low dose ibogaine therapy
published in MAPS and that it is more or less universally recognized by persons who
had used ibogaine low doses for two or more weeks.  In some cases less.  This
may be one of the many ways in which ibogaine demonstrates its own antiabuse
effects. It is not impossible that this may be a noribogaine effect as
noribogaine is known to throw higher plasma levels than ibogaine.  Now if supplies of
18-mc were available some really intersting work could be done to see how it
compares to ibogaine. I guess I can wish.

Best regards.

Howard

thanks Howard,
could you explain what “throw higher plasma levels” mean? blood plasma in the body?

as far as i understand 18-mc is not psychedelic/visionary and might be perhaps an option for chronic pain patients who want a low dose ibo/18-mc + low dose opiate maintenance?

it´s cool that ibogaine has a built-in antiabuse function, so i won´t repeat the mistake i made with lsd 10 years ago, habitually dropping acid twice a week which after a while left my brain foggy&slow.

-ekki

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:00:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 19.07.2005 um 22:24 schrieb Preston Peet:

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
that´s interesting. maybe if i try HCl again sometime it will be different afterwards.

I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
i feel like “returning” when the ibo sets in and when leaving my body and head or something.

Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down?
according to my knowledge there is rootbark chips like the ones from ethnogarden where they recommend doses between 16-45g, shredded rootbark from maya ethn. with rec. dose range 5-15g, shredded root which doesn´t do anything unless someone manages to gulp down like 250g and indra extract which is said to be appr. 5 times stronger than rootbark. dose recommendations from sellers are naturally rather careful. i made a liquid extract from chips soaked for a few weeks in a brew of vodka, red wine and lemon juice and then shortly boiled it and it worked and needed just 10 minutes to get hold after ingesting but tasted terrible and was not so nice on the stomach.

I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.
from the two treatments/detoxes i performed: once it was difficult to get enough rootbark into the patient and the other time with HCl disolved in warm water there was no problem getting it down and hardly any sickness in the stomach. yogurt sounds like an option and HCl dissolved in yogurt (like with blueberry taste) might be a way to smuggle ibogaine into the states.

cheers
ekki

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines
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From: “VanAllen, Keith G.” <VanAllK@sutterhealth.org>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers
Date: July 20, 2005 at 8:57:33 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

These rock! I am the kind of fellow to look for deep meanings in things so these provide both deep meanings and a slap in the face with a rubber chicken….cheers!

-Keith
—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:20 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers

 

Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers 

1. 
”Be a fundamentalist, make sure fun always comes before the mental. Realize that life is a situation comedy that will never be cancelled. A laugh track has been provided and the reason why we are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a good laughsitive twice a day and that will insure regularhilarity. 

2.
Remember that each of us has been given a special gift – just for entering. So you are already a winner! 

3. 
The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A-Vision. That is where I tell a vision to you and you tell a vision to me 

4. 
Life is like photography. You use the negative to develop. 

5. 
As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between our ears, causing a condition called truth decay. So be sure to use your truth brush and mental floss twice a day. And when you’re tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember what we teach in the Absurdiveness Training Class: “Don’t get even, get odd.” 

6. 
If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That’s where I no mad at you, you no mad at me. That way, there will surely be nomadness on the planet. And peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere. 

7. 
I know great earth changes have been predicted for the future, so if you’re looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple. When you find a fault, just don’t dwell on it. 

8. 
There’s no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train the world, and we’ll never have to change it again. 

9. 
Everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if you don’t like it, it’s not my fault. And remember,enlightenment is not a bureaucracy. You don’t have to go through channels. 

10. 
Finally, if you’re looking to find the key to the universe, I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is – there is no key to the Universe. The good news is – it was never locked.”

Swami Beyondananda

Visit him at: http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/index.html

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT for sum more laughs..FW: Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers
Date: July 20, 2005 at 7:19:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

 

Swami Beyondananda’s FUN-da-Mental Pointers 

1. 
”Be a fundamentalist, make sure fun always comes before the mental. Realize that life is a situation comedy that will never be cancelled. A laugh track has been provided and the reason why we are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a good laughsitive twice a day and that will insure regularhilarity. 

2.
Remember that each of us has been given a special gift – just for entering. So you are already a winner! 

3. 
The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A-Vision. That is where I tell a vision to you and you tell a vision to me 

4. 
Life is like photography. You use the negative to develop. 

5. 
As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between our ears, causing a condition called truth decay. So be sure to use your truth brush and mental floss twice a day. And when you’re tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember what we teach in the Absurdiveness Training Class: “Don’t get even, get odd.” 

6. 
If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and truly live like nomads. That’s where I no mad at you, you no mad at me. That way, there will surely be nomadness on the planet. And peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one big peace everywhere. 

7. 
I know great earth changes have been predicted for the future, so if you’re looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple. When you find a fault, just don’t dwell on it. 

8. 
There’s no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet train the world, and we’ll never have to change it again. 

9. 
Everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if you don’t like it, it’s not my fault. And remember,enlightenment is not a bureaucracy. You don’t have to go through channels. 

10. 
Finally, if you’re looking to find the key to the universe, I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is – there is no key to the Universe. The good news is – it was never locked.”

Swami Beyondananda

Visit him at: http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/index.html

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] appogies for my mail…. STILL
Date: July 20, 2005 at 2:10:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God, it’s still going on and I’m getting pretty fed up with it.  Just have to get bothered enuff to deal with a techie………the idea of doing that the past week has been worse than the problem itself….feeling quite run down and blah in general.
But…. I am going to get it fixed…… sorry bout the pic twice, and the size, I thought it was smaller………
Ah well ya get that.  Spose I’m back on the top of the “annoying posters” list yeh? Cool!
I want a medal.
Kirk :oP~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:52:32 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good to hear it,
Walk slow, smell dem flowa’s and gaze at dem stars.  It’s all good for ya :o)
And the water….if you can get to a spring, or some form of (safe lol) moving fresh water your body will love ya for it.  Here’s where I  get mine from.. when I need to escape the little city…I go for a drive up to here and get this water………………it’s so delicious and full of um…. Well    bit of possum poo never hurt anyone did it? Lol
Anyone else feeling like a bulldozer ran over them when ya weren’t looking?
Luff to ya
Kirk

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 4:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:49:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good to hear it,
Walk slow, smell dem flowa’s and gaze at dem stars.  It’s all good for ya :o)
And the water….if you can get to a spring, or some form of (safe lol) moving fresh water your body will love ya for it.  Here’s where I  get mine from.. when I need to escape the little city…I go for a drive up to here and get this water………………it’s so delicious and full of um…. Well    bit of possum poo never hurt anyone did it? Lol
Anyone else feeling like a bulldozer ran over them when ya weren’t looking?
Luff to ya
Kirk

 

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 4:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 20, 2005 at 1:31:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/19/05 6:38:03 PM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects

from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month

up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need

some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least

at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer

and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki >>

Dear Ekki,

I think the negative side effects you identify from continuous use of
ibogaine has been mentioned in Patrick’s article on low dose ibogaine therapy
published in MAPS and that it is more or less universally recognized by persons who
had used ibogaine low doses for two or more weeks.  In some cases less.  This
may be one of the many ways in which ibogaine demonstrates its own antiabuse
effects. It is not impossible that this may be a noribogaine effect as
noribogaine is known to throw higher plasma levels than ibogaine.  Now if supplies of
18-mc were available some really intersting work could be done to see how it
compares to ibogaine. I guess I can wish.

Best regards.

Howard

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:46:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love to you all
tink

On 7/18/05, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Warm fuzzies to Sean from Aotearoa :o)

How are you doing Randy man?

Much love to you too

Kirk xx

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember
his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the
hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend
of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want
anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has
done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very
glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post
about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send
positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was
in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:29:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Okay, what are you up to, nick, darling.  iboga eye drops?
love tink

On 7/19/05, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as
desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2
quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on
this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
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Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 6:23:42 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

But what is this?
Is this real ibogaine? Could this be used as described, “take 3 drops as desired” and be as effective as hcl say?
It sure does look cool, that bright blue color, but the starting bid is 2 quid. Something seems strange to me and I’m confused.
AND I just noticed you are the listed seller Nick. Please fill me in on this- what IS it?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 5:07:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes, the full spectrum is a lot more gentle but a little longer. The HCL is a lot more intense in my expereince but I was on the other side quicker. I prefer the HCL.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
Hallo M! could you tell any difference on the full spectrum HCl and the
pure ibogaineHCl? -ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 19:49 schrieb mcorcoran:

> ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year
> or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone
> until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s
> probably kidding. :o)
> But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of
> something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I
> believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few
> boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to
> be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more
> difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally
> interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
> Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but
> I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit.
> Hello to all. -M.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:24:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

haven’t tried root bark, but hand me some hcl I get very clear, after a day or so of mild and very pleasent muddledness.
I gotta say that I always feel like I’m “returning” when I’m done, definitely coming back into my body and head or something- that’s the feeling anyway.
Isn’t “root bark” what was discussed here quite a while ago now, as being shoved into empty sausage packaging to help get it down? I myself find the actual horse-pill sized hcl pills do NOT go down well in myself, and I can feel them sitting just above my stomach no matter how much water I drink after eating them- but disregarding that whatever method it was called when Last time I went through this, I’ve found eating them with yogurt helped them go down very well, a very small amount but yogurt none-the-less.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “ekki” <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration

with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 2:41:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hallo M! could you tell any difference on the full spectrum HCl and the pure ibogaineHCl? -ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 19:49 schrieb mcorcoran:

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 2:07:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Email me off the list.

Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:47:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like
mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on
the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i
ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this
was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway
hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being
clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the
last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration
HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects
from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month
up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need
some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least
at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer
and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

> It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses
> of the
> HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which
> produced the
> lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
>
> << with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
>
> (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
>
> presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
>
> about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
>
> a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
>
> mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
>
> rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>
>
>
>
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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration…. what was that again?????
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:49:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ADD for only two weeks!!?? I’ve been stuck on stupid for the past year or so. My provider suggests that I get back on a low dose of methadone until I’m able to function like a normal person, but I think he’s probably kidding. :o)
But seriously, I have taken quite a bit of HCL and a little bit of something called full spectrum (which is an HCL of the 12 alkaloids I believe) over the past year. 18mg/kg-  9 mg/kg- 24 mg/kg and a few boosters in between and I have to say I couldn’t be more grateful to be clean and healthy and it has showed me so much but focusing is more difficult than I can ever remember it being. If I’m not totally interested in something its almost impossible to pay any attention.
Maybe this was an underlying condition that opiates somehow masked but I do know that post ibogaine attention hasn’t been my strong suit. Hello to all. -M.

ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like
mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on
the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i
ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this
was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway
hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being
clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the
last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration
HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects
from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month
up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need
some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least
at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer
and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

> It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses
> of the
> HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which
> produced the
> lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:
>
> << with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl
>
> (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment
>
> presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.
>
> about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s
>
> a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,
>
> mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the
>
> rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>
>
>
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 1:05:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i did ca 18 mg/kg (1.5g) of Hcl in april which caused something like mild ADD for about 2 weeks where i frequently forgot food boiling on the stove and stuff like this. the largest dose of rootbark powder i ever took was ca 30g of maya ethnobotanical rootbark powder. all this was not for detox which i did in last december and where it´s anyway hard to judge since everything looks different afterwards when being clean.
i did a few smaller and middle doses of both Hcl and rootbark in the last few month that seemed to validate my observation on concentration HCl vs. root but i cannot give exact quantites.

btw Howard, or anyone else, did you ever feel negative side effects from frequent iboganizing? i did some every weekend since like 2 month up to 20g of rootbark and feel quite good, but my body seems to need some rest from it and my mind doesn´t seem to need any more, at least at the moment and anyway i plan to not do any the rest of the summer and am curious on longterm effects on body/mind.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 18:39 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses of the
HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which produced the
lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:39:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It may be easier to respond to my question by stating the exact doses of the
HCL and the rootbark and/or rootbark extract that you took which produced the
lack of concentration effect for a few days post administration.

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach. >>

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:36:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ekki,

Sorry I didn’t make myself clear.  Are the comparative doses of HCl and
rootbark/extract that you are discussing full therapeutic doses?

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 7/19/05 11:21:38 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl

(4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment

presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment.

about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s

a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting,

mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the

rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration

afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read

something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.

powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to

me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and

strength

of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with

all other

effects being equal?

Howard >>

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kratom
Date: July 19, 2005 at 10:55:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tab iboga too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1279&item=5599395564&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nick
—–Original Message—–
From: Learntwolive@aol.com [mailto:Learntwolive@aol.com]
Sent: 17 July 2005 03:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kratom

Yup…its even on Ebay!

In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:04:44 AM Central Daylight Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:

is this stufff in the states?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 10:52:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

with rootbark the effects last longer (ca. 8hrs) than with HCl (4-5hrs). I think this was also pointed out in this dose regiment presentation as far as i remember, can´t find the link at the moment. about general difference in effects it´s hard to tell since for me it´s a little different each time anyway, probably depending on setting, mindset, previous ibo-experience, intention and dose. i guess the rootbark feels a little softer. HCl seems easier on the stomach.

-ekki

Am 19.07.2005 um 15:06 schrieb HSLotsof@aol.com:

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] punishing pain
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:30:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com


(Free NYTimes registration required)
Punishing Pain

By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: July 19, 2005
Zephyrhills, Fla.
When I visited Richard Paey here, it quickly became clear that he posed no menace to society in his new home, a high-security Florida state prison near Tampa, where he was serving a 25-year sentence. The fences, topped with razor wire, were more than enough to keep him from escaping because Mr. Paey relies on a wheelchair to get around.

Mr. Paey, who is 46, suffers from multiple sclerosis and chronic pain from an automobile accident two decades ago. It damaged his spinal cord and left him with sharp pains in his legs that got worse after a botched operation. One night he woke up convinced that the room was on fire.
“It felt like my legs were in a vat of molten steel,” he told me. “I couldn’t move them, and they were burning.”

His wife, Linda, an optometrist, supported him and their three children as he tried to find an alternative to opiates. “At first I was mad at him for not being able to get better without the medicines,” she said. “But when he’s tried every kind of therapy they suggested and he’s still curled up in a ball at night crying from pain, what else can he do but take more medicine?”

The problem was getting the medicine from doctors who are afraid of the federal and local crusades against painkillers. Mr. Paey managed to find a doctor willing to give him some relief, but it was a “vegetative dose,” in his wife’s words.

snip-

Mr. Paey is merely the most outrageous example of the problem as he contemplates spending the rest of his life on a three-inch foam mattress on a steel prison bed. He told me he tried not to do anything to aggravate his condition because going to the emergency room required an excruciating four-hour trip sitting in a wheelchair with his arms and legs in chains.

The odd thing, he said, is that he’s actually getting better medication than he did at the time of his arrest because the State of Florida is now supplying him with a morphine pump, which gives him more pain relief than the pills that triggered so much suspicion. The illogic struck him as utterly normal.

snip-

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT fun stuff, Thanks George.
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:11:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings butt
shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more,
but have less; we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and
smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees
but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more
problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read
too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our
possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom,
and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living, but not a life.

We’ve added years to life not life to years. We’ve been all the way to the
moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new
neighbour. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We’ve done larger
things, but not better things.

We’ve cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We’ve conquered the atom,
but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but
accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more
computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but
we communicate less and less. These are the times of fast foods and slow
digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow
relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier
houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable
diapers, throw away morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and
pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when
there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom.

A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you
can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete.

Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going
to be around forever.

Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because
that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the
only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn’t cost a cent.

Remember, to say, “I love you” to your partner and your loved ones, but
most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes
from deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will
not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time
to share the precious thoughts in your mind.

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

HOW TO STAY YOUNG
1. Throw out nonessential numbers. This includes age, weight and height.
Let the doctor worry about them. That is why you pay him/her.

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts, gardening,
whatever. Never let the brain idle. ” An idle mind is the devil’s
workshop.” And the devil’s name is Alzheimer’s.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only person who is
with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love, whether it’s family, pets,
keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is unstable,
improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don’t take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, to the next county, to
a foreign country, but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every opportunity.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

If you don’t send this to at least 8 people who cares?

George Carlin

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 9:06:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 7/19/05 4:23:33 AM, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

<< in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration
afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read
something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to
me, even in higher doses. >>

Are the doses of HCl and rootbark comparative in other effects and strength
of effects or is the lack of concentration the only difference with all other
effects being equal?

Howard

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From: Marko <marko@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:39:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks everyone for their inputs!

Lorenzo, you know how it is: when an information isn’t needed Th15 V3rY
m0Men+ it just drifts somewhere in the back of the memory –> that’s why
same old questions are answered 15+ times…

FAQ seems like a good idea. The problem is (as others have pointed out)
*who* (is qualified enough to do it) + (has time to do it) + (finds
purpose in doing it) + (etc…)

The smallest problem would be finding someone to put this on some
server…

Marko

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lorenzo wrote:

— On Thu 07/14, ekki  wrote:
From: ekki [mailto: ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:05 +0200
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] IBO against Effexor XR

Am 14.07.2005 um 17:39 schrieb Jeff Gallop:> Did I miss something….has there been an answer on this medication  > pre or post Ibo??>no

Yes.

In last 2 years these same questions have been answered here at least 15 times.

Patrick great love to you, in next months when list changes to more formats would be a great idea to put up knowledge base and more faqs on mindvox. Would help, since same questions asked here so many times.

Yes also I not only run my mouth, I too have Spotlight and am willing to help organize and give something back to this place that has given me much, which makes it simpler for others to find the knowledge that is buried here!

Cheers
Lorenzo

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] HCl/Root <-> attention/concentration
Date: July 19, 2005 at 4:22:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

in my experience IboHCl causes a few days of lack of concentration afterwards – especially in intellectual activity like when i read something my mind and my eyes easily drift away from the pages.
powdered or liquid rootbark extract does not cause this aftereffect to me, even in higher doses.

i wonder how total alkaloid extract like the one ethnogarden offers behaves in that respect and how it generally feels compared to HCl or rootbarkextract.

another thing i observed is that very small doses of any form of Ibo generally enhances focus and concentration for an hour or two.

-ekki

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean, Hi Kuirky
Date: July 19, 2005 at 12:27:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m doing pretty good Kirsty. Walking slow and drinkin’ lotso water.       Nuttin’ but love for ya babe.          Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 18, 2005 at 11:15:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Warm fuzzies to Sean from Aotearoa :o)
How are you doing Randy man?
Much love to you too
Kirk xx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Report –
Date: July 18, 2005 at 9:14:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A couple of months ago I did a full session of Ibo, and recently I did “mini’ session of (i think) 9 mg/k.  I think the full session was 17mg/k

It was not as mellow as I thought it would be. I had visions that were quite disturbing (like the first time.) I don’t know if this is common, but I do  have to admit that my internal landscape is quite fearful.

Much of what I experienced the first time was repeated, but I remember more of it this time. Shortly after starting and the visions were going I thought “what the fuck am I doing”. I guess I thought it would be more cognitive processing, but there was almost the same level of visuals involved.

I didn’t take any anti-naseua medication like i did the first time, but highly recommend it.

The first session was quite intense, and the dopamine influx (i guess it was an influx) put me in a zen like state for almost a month. This time, the affect was smaller but no less impressive

I got alot out of this session. But I must admit it is not pleasant. I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone based on my experience. It was worth it to me though.

Lao tribes suffer from drug crackdown
By Tom Fawthrop
In Vientiane

The opium poppy that has long bloomed across the mountains of northern
Laos has almost been wiped out by the government’s drastic eradication
campaign.

But what is being hailed as a victory by the international
anti-narcotics agencies has also spawned a humanitarian crisis, due to
the massive displacement of hill tribes and their loss of economic
livelihood.

The campaign was spearheaded by the US government, with support from the
European Union.

Such was its success that the authorities in Laos claim the country has
achieved its 2005 deadline to become an opium-free country. The UNODC
(the UN Office for Drugs and Crime) has confirmed that Laos had achieved
a poppy reduction of 73% since 2000.

But unlike the major opium producers such as Afghanistan and Burma, Laos
was only ever a marginal player in the international drugs trade.

And in order to eradicate production, an estimated 65,000 hill tribe
people have been displaced from the mountains of northern Laos where the
opium poppy thrives.

A survey by UN development consultant Charles Alton found that “hill
tribe people moving to new villages not only lack sufficient rice, but
they face fresh diseases – malaria, gastro-intestinal problems and
parasites”.

Many are said to be dying of malaria and dysentery, and mortality rates
as high as 4% have been recorded – rates normally found only in war
zones and areas of refugee resettlement.

Change in approach

In the past, the Lao authorities tolerated opium poppy cultivation among
the hill tribes, which make up more than 45% of the population.

Vientiane’s liberal policy was spelt out in a 1999 memorandum entitled
“A Balanced Approach to Opium Elimination in Laos.”

Back then the government argued that poppy cultivation could not be
eradicated until alternative crops and economic development were already
in place.

However the US government and narcotics agencies escalated the pressure
in 2000.

In the words of one NGO leader, who prefers to remain anonymous, “they
pushed for opium elimination before economic development was in place,
so they put the cart before the horse”.

The dangling of a $80m carrot in aid, promised by the UN drugs control
agency, led to a capitulation. In 2001 the Lao authorities plunged
headlong into a hardline Western agenda of all-out war on the opium
poppy.

Western embassies concede that their anti-drug policy may have been
over-zealously implemented.

Sandro Serrato, the EU’s chief of mission in Vientiane, admitted that
“the implementation of opium eradication has probably been too rapid and
[has] lacked resources”.

But he also sympathised with the government’s resettlement strategy,
arguing: “There is such a scattered population, the government feels
that only by bringing people down from the remote areas can they provide
social services and development.”

The EU is in favour of offering financial aid for future resettlement,
as long as the government respects three points: there should be
consultation, economic alternatives and the relocation must be
voluntary.

But the monitoring of government compliance with any of these criteria
is regarded as highly problematic, given the authoritarian nature of
this one-party state.

Critics question both the sustainability and objectives of a policy that
appears to have inflicted more harm than good.

“Resettlement has caused the disruption of the hill tribes’ way of
life,” one highly respected Lao academic, who wished to remain
anonymous, explained. “Opium has many uses – as a major cash crop, for
medicine and in traditional ceremonies and festive events.”

Now, he warned, “it is the lack of opium that is far more dangerous”.

Lack of alternatives

The inhabitants of Laos – both lowland and hill tribe people – have
recently become victims of “ya ba” (amphetamines) and heroin flowing
across the country from laboratories in neighbouring Burma.

The apparent success in wiping out opium has only contributed to far
worse drug, social and economic problems, according to anthropologist
David Feingold.

He warned that “likely long-term consequences will be increasing heroin
and amphetamine use, [and] greater vulnerability of highland girls and
women to trafficking and unsafe migration. Both of these outcomes will
contribute to exacerbating HIV/Aids”.

Lao specialist Bruce Shoemaker also pointed out that opium produced a
high value crop using a very small amount of land.

The average opium farmer could earn about $200 a year, and Mr Shoemaker
said that “no one alternative crop can come even close to matching this
– it is just not sustainable”.

A growing number of development specialists support an entirely
different approach. Instead of destroying the poppies, the Lao acaemic
advocated “a legal opium quota under strict international supervision,
to be sold to pharmaceutical companies”.

“If the farmers of Tasmania get benefit from opium, why not our poor
farmers too?” he argued.

Although no feasibility study has ever been done, the UNODC chief in
Vientiane, Klaus Nyholm, instantly rejected any prospect of Laos joining
the club of legal opium producers – which includes Australia, India, and
Turkey.

Whether opium is grown under legal control or illegally, many aid
workers are convinced that only by ignoring human rights can they stop
poor farmers from growing such a lucrative crop.

William Dangers from Church World Service development agency in Laos
said these farmers would ” always go back to opium unless the government
uses repression to stop them”.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4673109.stm

Published: 2005/07/15 14:02:21 GMT

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A note From Sean
Date: July 18, 2005 at 6:27:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey listonians, I’m writing this note for Sean. Some of you might remember his handle as UUSEAN. He wanted me to tell you all that he is in the hospital having some tests run and he is thinking of yall. Sean is a friend of mine and I hope he doesn’t mind me saying that I think he doesn’t want anyone taking his absence from the list as sign that he is using. He has done some hard work on his substance abuse problems and I for one am very glad to see him around here teaching me what he has learned. He’ll post about his experience in the hospital as soon as he can. So, lets all send positive vibes his way and hope the food is better than the last time I was in a hospital. Much love to the list.        Randy

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 2:25:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do it Ben, great movie 🙂

.:vector:.

— BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of
work. Take
it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love
and Light
Randy

____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! – make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book – Clarification
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:48:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Just to clarify something. The eboga list is most definitely open to those who use eboga for addiction interruption. However the emphasis on the eboga list is on the ongoing work via the help of eboga towards healing and not just the mechanics of temporary cessation of an addiction.
Lee

Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Rick,

I agree with you on the need to share. I have posted my own preliminary and mostly personal observations on low dose treatment here:

www.my-eboga.com/healing.html.

Select the option for low dose treatment at the time.

What makes me excited is that I have collected many notes on my own experiences and personal observations and it is in the writing that the deeper synthesis of all these experiences comes together. So unfortunately it will take the writing and the editing to get the whole thing together and to compose a bigger connected picture.

I have been a pawn in a game of eboga and have made many mistakes along the way with my own assumptions about eboga healing. I have come to realise its because by doing everything from pretty right to pretty wrong at some level I have taken on board a lot of insight which will ultimately come to fruition when I get all my notes together, write it all down in a systematic way and then undergo further eboga sessions to check on the direction and content of my writting. These observations are based on my own personal experiences for the most part.

I am very excited about this as I really do enjoy the journey in the writing process but it is not done until it is done and that will be at least until Springtime. In the meantime when i get back to having the time to read the list I will continue to contribute if I can in a useful way.

For those who are using eboga on an ongoing basis with the intention of healing as opposed to addiction interruption, then please note the eboga list that has been set up for this reason. As it is smaller i do have time to follow it a little bit at the moment. It is not a list along the lines of the ibogaine list as such which caters for all and sundry. It is a list for those in the eboga healing process who have set goals and are using eboga to get there.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

All the best to you,

Lee

Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Lee Albert
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: dana@phantom.com
>CC: Ibogaine List
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:16:47 +0100 (BST)
>

>I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new
>aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right
>now my thoughts are in that direction.

Hi Lee,

I hope you’ll consider sharing at least some of that information with the
list. A lot of people seem to be trying to find out about using iboga in a
low dosage regimen – especially how to understand the risks so they can
safely do it for themselves. It would be helpful to have as much data as
possible in a place where someone can come along and piece it together. The
more light that’s shined on this, the better.

Thanks.

>Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the
>media. So if you write to the email address given here:
>www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down
>as editor of Cures, Not Wars.
>
>Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can
>do.
>
>All the best to you.
>
>Lee
>
>
>Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six
>year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process:
>www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
>
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>My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual
>interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those
>already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.
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Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:36:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Rick,

I agree with you on the need to share. I have posted my own preliminary and mostly personal observations on low dose treatment here:

www.my-eboga.com/healing.html.

Select the option for low dose treatment at the time.

What makes me excited is that I have collected many notes on my own experiences and personal observations and it is in the writing that the deeper synthesis of all these experiences comes together. So unfortunately it will take the writing and the editing to get the whole thing together and to compose a bigger connected picture.

I have been a pawn in a game of eboga and have made many mistakes along the way with my own assumptions about eboga healing. I have come to realise its because by doing everything from pretty right to pretty wrong at some level I have taken on board a lot of insight which will ultimately come to fruition when I get all my notes together, write it all down in a systematic way and then undergo further eboga sessions to check on the direction and content of my writting. These observations are based on my own personal experiences for the most part.

I am very excited about this as I really do enjoy the journey in the writing process but it is not done until it is done and that will be at least until Springtime. In the meantime when i get back to having the time to read the list I will continue to contribute if I can in a useful way.

For those who are using eboga on an ongoing basis with the intention of healing as opposed to addiction interruption, then please note the eboga list that has been set up for this reason. As it is smaller i do have time to follow it a little bit at the moment. It is not a list along the lines of the ibogaine list as such which caters for all and sundry. It is a list for those in the eboga healing process who have set goals and are using eboga to get there.

www.my-eboga.com/network.html

All the best to you,

Lee

Rick Strcat <rickstrcat@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Lee Albert
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: dana@phantom.com
>CC: Ibogaine List
>Subject: [Ibogaine] Amazing Grace – Copy of Book
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:16:47 +0100 (BST)
>

>I am very excited to bring out the next book as it will cover many new
>aspects of using eboga for low dose healing over an extended period. Right
>now my thoughts are in that direction.

Hi Lee,

I hope you’ll consider sharing at least some of that information with the
list. A lot of people seem to be trying to find out about using iboga in a
low dosage regimen – especially how to understand the risks so they can
safely do it for themselves. It would be helpful to have as much data as
possible in a place where someone can come along and piece it together. The
more light that’s shined on this, the better.

Thanks.

>Re: a copy of Amazing grace. it is available free to all people in the
>media. So if you write to the email address given here:
>www.my-eboga.com/freecopy.html, you will get a copy. Just put your name down
>as editor of Cures, Not Wars.
>
>Let me know if you have a problem getting a copy and I will see what i can
>do.
>
>All the best to you.
>
>Lee
>
>
>Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six
>year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process:
>www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
>
>
>My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual
>interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those
>already initiated into eboga: www.my-eboga.com.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [asa] Vote Tomorrow on Amendment to Repeal the HEA Drug Provision
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:31:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Rebecca Saltzman
To: asa@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: [asa] Vote Tomorrow on Amendment to Repeal the HEA Drug Provision

A message from our friends from Students for Sensible Drug Policy:

Dear ASA Community,

Since 2000, students with drug convictions have been blocked access to
federal financial aid as a result of a little known provision of the Higher
Education Act (HEA). Added as a committee amendment in 1998, the Drug
Provision slipped into the 257-page HEA reauthorization bill without debate
or a recorded vote.

Now, as Congress turns its attention to this legislation once again, there
is an opportunity to scrap the Drug Provision once and for all. The House
and the Senate are currently considering revisions to the Higher Education
Act, including the Drug Provision.

Contact your representatives in Congress now and urge them to fully repeal
the Drug Provision and help young people get the education they need to live
productive lives and be responsible citizens.

Tomorrow or Wednesday, the House Education and Workforce Committee will
vote on an amendment to fully repeal the Higher Education Act Drug
Provision!

U.S. Representative Rob Andrews (D-NJ) is introducing the amendment and he
needs your support!

EVERYONE TAKE ACTION NOW!

1.Send a message to your representative:
http://capwiz.com/mobilize/issues/alert/?alertid=7839251&type=TA

2.Find out if your representative sits on the House Education and Workforce
Committee: http://edworkforce.house.gov/members/109th/mem-fc.htm

3.If so, CALL HIM OR HER NOW! Urge your representative to support the
Andrews Amendment to repeal the ban on federal financial aid for students
with drug convictions! Find your representative’s phone number:
http://congress.org

Sample Phone Script:

Hello, my name is ______ and I am calling from _____.  I am calling to urge
Senator/Representative _____ vote for Representative Rob Andrew’s amendment to repeal the ban on federal financial aid for students with drug convictions.

Right now, the author of the law, Congressman Mark Souder (R-IN) is offering
a proposal to scale back the Drug Provision. His proposal is a 10% solution
for a 100% flawed law. Under his proposal, the Drug Provision would still
disproportionately affect minorities and students from low- and
middle-income families. It would still only affect students who are doing
well in school.

The Drug Provision is a bad law that CANNOT be fixed. Please tell
Senator/Representative _____ to FULLY repeal the ban on federal financial
aid for drug convictions.

—-

Thanks so much! Don’t hesitate to contact SSDP if you have absolutely any
questions.

Onwards,

Abby Bair, Outreach Director
Students for Sensible Drug Policy
1623 Connecticut Ave NW Suite 300
Washington, DC 20009
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F: 202-293-8344
C: 202-903-6329
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From: “Ben De Loenen” <daluna@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 7:39:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Randy,

I’m submitting the film for Sundance, but for Cannes it’s not suitable.
I don’t remember why, but I checked it before. The International Film
Festival Rotterdam, where it is selected is in fact the 4th biggest and
most important film festival in the world after Cannes, Toronto and
Berlin. With 800 films being played every year and a big guestlist of
comissioning editors, producers, distributors,…and filmfans, it’s a
very good place to show a film…
In any case, I’ll be there to spread flyers to as many people as
possible.

I also know there will be 2 other Film Festivals where it will be
screened, but that’s not official yet, so when the selection is
official, it will be announced in the next newsletter.

Peace to all of you,

Ben

Op 18/7/2005 schreef “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>:

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of work. Take
it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love and Light
Randy

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] News about ‘IBOGAINE-Rite of Passage’ (LunArt Productions News…
Date: July 18, 2005 at 1:44:21 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ben, you deserve anything you can get from such a great piece of work. Take it to Sundance, and Cannes. Beautiful piece of work my man.     Love and Light     Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:55:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my puddy tats are all pretty well Kirk, but my familiar, Bob, is growing old and bald and frail- I’m a little worried about the little fellow. He’s got Feline HIV too, but is still going fairly strong for not having been given more than a couple weeks when first rescued about 7 or 8 years ago.
Thanks for the positive reply too Kirk.
I wanna go back to sleep, but oddly can’t. Perry Ferrel’s solo album (Song Yet to be Sung) is playing quietly in the background and the apartment is totally dark other than for this computer screen, a bit hard to look at still but worth doing so. But now to lay back down and listen to the music and try to drift off again.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Luff lite n lafta to you too Preston, hope them “twitchees” don’t last long
and I love reading your copious posts, always  a good read (no matter what
state of mind you were in at the time…)
How are your puddy tats?
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 2:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last
couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post
subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give
anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take
opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be
taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of
ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all
have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a
time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with
some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today

seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli
counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling
into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so
after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to
be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so

many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very
lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get

me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches”
rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be
bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so
what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but
NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy
seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.
What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine
to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?
Date: July 17, 2005 at 11:28:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luff lite n lafta to you too Preston, hope them “twitchees” don’t last long
and I love reading your copious posts, always  a good read (no matter what
state of mind you were in at the time…)
How are your puddy tats?
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 2:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.<

I started writing this over and over to many people’s posts over the last
couple of days but stopped and erased it over and over (or amended a post
subsequently to first posting on this thread) due to not wanting to give
anyone the wrong impression that it would be a great, safe idea to take
opiates under the influence of ibogaine, especially normal doses.
But, I can tell you that severely lowered doses of what I would normally be
taking in terms of opiates can be taken while under the direct effects of
ibogaine. Honestly.
Regardless, love and light and laughter to all, and let’s hope we all
have a good week this week. I aim to work very hard at it, a moment at a
time, beginning with a new resume put together this past Friday along with
some headshot prints, and a short interlude Saturday night and all day today

seeing “dreams” of my pills either spilling all over and behind the deli
counter of the place across the street, or my bottle of dilaudid falling
into a literal sewer trench of some kind, without the lid screwed tight so
after watching the bottle get caught up in a whirlpool and dragged under to
be lost. Why am I so seemingly able to sleep when under the influence but so

many others aren’t? Is this as unusual as was told me once?
I have had a weird weekend.
Now I’m in mini-withdrawals, but manageable due to a yet again very
lowered (but still not eradicated) tolerance. And I have enough drugs to get

me to my next appointment if I just remember to call them the “twitches”
rather than “fucking withdrawals,” as I used to do once upon a time.
And in a slight, quick moment of irritation, to those who can’t be
bothered to read my sometimes copious posts, my best wishes to you but so
what?

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

Exactly, your tolerance is most definitely lowered from Ibogaine…I did
some very very weak Ibogaine and after two days of being rather ill (but
NOT
from withdrawals I must add..) I decided to CAUTIOUSLY take some poppy
seed
tea (because yes the warnings were very clear in 2001 that one had to be
careful of overdose… so I had the smallest amount, probably a third of
what I was taking previous to taking Ibogaine…and it did the trick.
What
I get from that is not that taking any amount of opiate will kill you..
taking your normal to higher dose of opiate may/will probably kill you cos
you don’t have the same tolerance.
Which opens up that door to people with hideous long term daily pain with
hideously long term opiate tolerances……….using small dose Ibogaine
to
bring down tolerance.
This topic has been discussed a lot recently…. with numerous replies to
it, I’m a bit confused as to why there is still confusion? OR am I just
really confused…in all the confusion? Confused? YOU will be!
Luff heaps
Kirk xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 7:34 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and opiates?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:12:15 -0700 Krista Vaughan
<krista.vaughan@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I misunderstand everything I’ve ever heard or read about
ibogaine, doing heroin while doing a full dose of ibogaine to
detox will kill you.

My understanding is that it will kill you if it would be a fatal
dose for someone without a tolerance. Possibly a lower dose of
heroin would be survivable on ibogaine, however an addict with a
long tolerance for heroin who is alarmed by the effect of ibogaine
or who thinks that it isn’t working might be prone to use their
habitual heroin dose that would be fatal to a non-addict.

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