Ibogaine List Archives - 2004-08

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: September 1, 2004 at 12:00:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 04:41 PM, UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Thanks for the line Howard.

Sean (who is hearing shamanistic ancient healing voices in his head.)

don’t let the voices in yer head git louder than the music in yer heart

_.dh

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: September 1, 2004 at 12:00:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There is ibogaine substitution therapy. Want crack, snort some ibogaine
instead. Just a line.

moohahahahahah!

talk about nasal burn!

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 11:39:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You’re another person here who has gotten more weird as years have
passed 🙂 I love this place, Sara I want to do ibogaine with you! 🙂 🙂
🙂

.:vector:.

— sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:

God is a mystery of mastery.

kiss a koala of me,they look so funny.

sara

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] UUSean, belief, …
Date: August 31, 2004 at 11:37:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Darth Vader on acid gives great advice 😉 He’s clean and that should be
impossible, the first step as near as I’ve figured out is become a
complete psycho right patrick 😉 which shouldn’t be a problem for
anyone on this list. step 2 is just believe. Great belief system! I
keep seeing it working here 🙂 why argue with success 🙂

.:vector:.

— UUSEAN@aol.com wrote:

Hi Dark,

Yes, I have said before that I think that belief is key. If I
believe
I cannot put down heroin and crack and lead a different life, then I
won’t. I did not believe that I could go to NYC alone without
visiting
the crack spot. I was right. Saturday night I was in NY alone, I
believed that I could would not look for crack…I did not look for
it.

I think that 12 step works that way for those for whom it works.
One
believes their higher power will keep them clean, and (S)he does.
Right now I believe that activism and this list will keep me off
crack,
and it does.

All of this change is post ibo. I did believe in the ibogaine
too.
And the stories of those who had dosed before me. The treatment
links
on the ibogaine.mindvox page were very helpful in my understanding of

recovery. Patrick in particular concerning the importance of belief.

And the advise to be more cool. I liked that a lot too, especially

when I feel like being an asshole. Of course sometimes I cannot
resist. What is it the 12 steppers say, “progress not perfection.”
I
sure don’t want to get too close to perfect to fast. I’m having too
much fun flawed.:)

UUsean

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From: Jason Bursey <jasonburseyiboga@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 11:14:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think organizing is a wonderful idea. Doing so without breeding dogma will be tricky. I’m curious, what exactly would be the difference between a union and patient advocacy groups?
I think the boldest thing that could be done is to open a church right here in the US. A real, certified and sincere church. I think this is the most productive path, but I know little.
Who can deny iboga is a divine plant.
It is so great to hear about so much action. ‘Tis Inspiring.

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 11:07:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.

Hi Jasen,

Sometimes it is scary to think about tripping, but even without tripping
mushrooms in small amount can help you therapeutically.

***> Dear Sara,I understand.

It isn’t about fun, but about a rollercoaster, when you come out of it
you
are happy to be alive. A short cut to transformation on many levels.

***Fun sounds like it would be much better.:)When you say,” happy to be
alive”
is it really that bad of an experience?When the term ,”a lot of pain and
suffering”is used
is this physical or emotional pain.?
All these questions,..I know.I am just trying to understand.
I thank you for your time and thank God for the guidance.(I believe in
God,not religion)
Jasen (Aus)

It is the pain of letting go of emotinal pain,
when you love your parents so much and you see them getting old and needy,
you can feel the process of letting go,also when relations between people
isn’t working but still there is love which makes it harder to let go of
people , the understanding during the trip, makes it very emotional but
after it everything fall into a place when the trip is over.
so, it is just a spiritual experience.
those plants are not killers plants, if you get too much you vomit.
they “kill”only things we should let go.
they also show us how much love we have within to the people around us.

God is a mystery of mastery.

kiss a koala of me,they look so funny.

sara

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:45:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m still pondering ibogaine up the nose…I’m sure somebody somewhere tried it. I had friends who would snort just about anything if you handed it to them. We all know about ibogaine up the ass, but up the nose..very interesting.

PLEASE BE ADVISED: do not try ibo sniffing at home. It just sounds really wrong somehow.:)
sc

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:41:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for the line Howard.

Sean (who is hearing shamanistic ancient healing voices in his head.)

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:34:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/04 8:09:17 PM, UUSEAN@aol.com writes:

Well, I hear voices anyway. Some are nice a gentle, healing. Then there
are
the WHEN ARE YOU GONNA SCORE SOME GODDAMN CRACK voices. I know they are
all
my voices though, so I think I will be OK.

There is ibogaine substitution therapy. Want crack, snort some ibogaine
instead. Just a line.

Howard

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] OpiateAddictionRxENews; China, Scotland, Germany and USA
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:02:07 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,

I think there are enough users/addicts in the NYC area to fill the ranks. When my therapist first encouraged me to get involved with addict unions, he said that while you all (us addicts) may be using (or were using) illegal drugs, we don’t deserve to be treated like shit. We are human beings who use/used and or abuse/abused illegal, and sometimes legal drugs.

I agreed entirely. I pointed out that harm reduction is mostly an effort of social workers and concerned friends of addicts, not addicts or users themselves often.
Unions would differ in that they (we) would be advocating for themselves.

BTW: the word addict is a tricky one isn’t it. Drug user unions might be a better choice of words. It would let individual users call themselves addicts if they like, and allow for those who feel that whole addict paradigm really doesn’t fir for them. I wasn’t an addict until I went to NA. Before that I was just a basehead.:)

Sean

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] OpiateAddictionRxENews; China, Scotland, Germany and USA
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:32:26 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sean wrote >More reasons for addict unions in the US.<

Just spoke to a couple of friends about this very idea today- I wonder if
you’ve been speaking to the same people I have Sean? LOL.
Seriously, I think this is a much needed and brilliant idea- one that
really needs more support from we users/addicts. Because I think the users
who aren’t addicts should be included/involved in this as well.
peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: UUSEAN@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] OpiateAddictionRxENews; China, Scotland, Germany and
USA

Hi Callie,

More reasons for addict unions in the US. The current state of siege we
American addicts live under threatens very existence sometimes. As well as
out freedom to make medical decisions as you point out. Why would a judge
ever refuse an addict meth as a term of probation. Because the sinner must
suffer though state imposed abstinence, that’s why. And if they can’t
handle that, the sinner can go to church, I mean 12 step meetings.:)

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] OpiateAddictionRxENews; China, Scotland, Germany and USA
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:13:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Callie,

More reasons for addict unions in the US. The current state of siege we American addicts live under threatens very existence sometimes. As well as out freedom to make medical decisions as you point out. Why would a judge ever refuse an addict meth as a term of probation. Because the sinner must suffer though state imposed abstinence, that’s why. And if they can’t handle that, the sinner can go to church, I mean 12 step meetings.:)

Sean

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:08:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Marc,

Congrats on finding that celebex and knowing that there other ways to relieve pain that a bag a dope, no matter what the voices in our head say.

Well, I hear voices anyway. Some are nice a gentle, healing. Then there are the WHEN ARE YOU GONNA SCORE SOME GODDAMN CRACK voices. I know they are all my voices though, so I think I will be OK.

Crazy in Jersey,
Sean

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:04:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.

Hi Jasen,

Sometimes it is scary to think about tripping, but even without tripping
mushrooms in small amount can help you therapeutically.

***> Dear Sara,I understand.

It isn’t about fun, but about a rollercoaster, when you come out of it you
are happy to be alive. A short cut to transformation on many levels.

Dear Friends,
It is not always easy to work with Ayahuasca. There is for example the
demand to make and test the Ayahuasca that you are going to use on
yourself,
before you give it to anyone else. This process carries certain risks. I
have been looking for all kinds of different Ayahuasca mixes to work with.
I
want one that is visual, but also one that is powerful enough to keep us
in
its grip, and allow for steady visions, as well as the therapeutic
processes, that seem to come only when the visual effects are accompanied
by
a ‘no escape’ sensation.

These therapeutic effects are sometimes so powerful that even a person
with
quite lot of experience must go through a lot of pain and suffering. I
have
had a few death/re-birth experiences during the years that I took
Ayahuasca,
but last nights session was one of the most powerful I ever experienced,
so
I would like to tell you a little bit about it.

The admixture I was using is a mix of Mimosa Hostilis (Jurema) and
Banisteriopsis Caapi (Jagube). The latter was supplied by an online
supplier
for testing purposes only, and I was aware that it is an extract,
concentrated 10:1. The question is however what does this really mean? In
the Santo Daime churches there is a scale for expressing the strength of
Daime, ranging from Primeiro Degrau (first degree) then Doubrado (doubled)
and finally there is Mel (honey), the concentration of which is anyone’s
guess. How can such highly concentrated substances be tested, if not
simply
by taking some and praying that the dose is not too powerful?

Since my supplier had received the information that the Banisteriopsis
Caapi
10:1 mixture which came in the form of a dried powder meant that one gram
was a full dose, I began testing it (on my own) at half its strength. I
presumed that I would be able to feel the MAO action, as a shift in my
Serotonin level. Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) can be felt quite powerfully
after ingestion, and I presumed this would be true of the Caapi as well.
Indeed I did feel it some minutes after I ingested it, but I did not take
any DMT containing substance, and the effects went unnoticed after about
two
hours.

I decided to spend the Saturday at Sara’s house, and take a new dose there
with her. This time, I served myself a full dose of 1 gram (dissolved in
water) and drank a full does of Jurema a few minutes later. I gave Sara a
smaller dose, which was unnecessary I found out later, because she has had
much experience with Iboga, and that substance is much more powerful.
After
about half an hour the force of the Ayahuasca gripped me. I threw up, but
that did nothing to lessen the onslaught. It is hard to describe the
gripping force of the substance, but I felt as if my body and mind were
held
in a vice, a vice that was moving and flying through space and time. I was
unable to focus, and hardly able to sit still. I started to have my doubts
about the dosage, and to think that I had maybe made a mistake, perhaps
even
a lethal one. Sara on the other hand seemed fairly relaxed, lying on the
couch with a blanket over herself.

I decided that I would have to go all the way this time, even if it meant
dying, I wanted to lose it: just surrender to whatever it was that was
going
to happen. I started to say goodbye and thank all the people and spirits
that had been guiding me. Naturally there was a lot of sorrow, and I was
very grateful for Sara being there, and allowing me to express my
feelings.
I could not feel the end of the tunnel, but gradually as I resigned
myself,
the feelings of dread started to lift. Perhaps many years ago I would have
been unable to see that I had survived, but things have changed, and I
could
laugh again, still a little shaky but nonetheless a lot wiser.

I am so glad that I had that experience, and I know that such therapeutic
doses are what I wish to work with, but I have never allowed myself the
freedom to administer them myself, for the simple reason that I would
never
give someone something that I had not taken myself. Now I know what a high
dose I can administer, new possibilities open themselves, for those
friends
who wish to experience this for themselves, and have adequate guidance and
friendship and love around them while they are processing whatever comes
up,
such a dose is now available!

This session has allowed me to reconsider a number of things (including a
few personal matters as you may imagine) and one of the things I would
like
to try is to offer such healing works in small groups. There will be a
financial contribution to make, of around 85 -100 euros per session. The
way
I have arrived at this figure is by comparing the type of work going on at
the Santo Daime and other Ayahuasca groups. Therapeutic results reached
during such sessions normally occur only infrequently, the norm seems to
be
that one has to ask for a larger than normal dose, but in such large
groups
it is very hard to willingly take such large doses and allow the spirit of
the Ayahuasca to take over completely. Secondly, the substance itself
costs
quite a lot more to prepare than if it were made in large batches, such as
the Daime. Thirdly, any money left over after the costs of the substance
have been deducted, go towards the house where the session takes place, in
this case Sara’s home, which is a place where healing takes place, and
where
Iboga is used to help drug addicts free themselves. Sara tries to make
this
work affordable, but it is difficult for her to make ends meet, so I would
like to help her this way.

We can be contacted at the following e-mail adresses:

Daniel Nashiv Waterman : waterman.design@wxs.nl
Sara Glatt : sara119@xs4all.nl

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fw: Methadone and buprenorphine related deaths rare in Paris study.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 8:49:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Andrew Byrne” <ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au>
To: “Andrew Byrne” <ajbyrne@ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: Methadone and buprenorphine related deaths rare in Paris study.

A critical review of the causes of death among post-mortem toxicological
investigations: analysis of 34 buprenorphine-associated and 35
methadone-associated deaths. Pirnay S, Borron SW, Giudicelli CP,
Tourneau J, Baud FJ, Ricordel I. Addiction (2004) 99: 978–988

Dear Colleagues,

This adds to the modest amount of published research on the major French
‘experiment’ with buprenorphine, starting in 1996. To add another
variable, two years after the release of unrestricted buprenorphine
prescription, methadone treatment also became available, albeit in a
more structured manner.

This is a detailed report of 60 consecutive overdose deaths in Paris
over a 5 year period from 1997 in which buprenorphine (34), methadone
(35) or both (9) were found in the post-mortem toxicology. An exhaustive
investigation of each case classified the relative contribution (if any)
of the two drugs towards the death. Unfortunately as a retrospective
study, the authors were not able to determine the subjects’ treatment
status.

Despite buprenorphine being prescribed at a rate about 8 times that of
methadone in France, the numbers of deaths most likely attributable to
each drug were about the same (12 versus 14). In these deaths, as in
other reports, an average of about 4 other drugs (excluding nicotine)
was found, and in one case there were 13 additional drugs! Alcohol,
benzodiazepines and other opioids were the most common, sometimes in
very high concentrations. Heroin (morphine) was also found in toxic
levels in 5 buprenorphine cases and 6 methadone subjects. Other cases
either had clear alternative causes of death (eg. homicide, suicide,
burns, carbon monoxide, etc) or else the cause of death could not be
determined (12 cases).

In 1995 there were ~500 opioid overdose deaths in France. This annual
rate had reportedly dropped to 100 by 1999. During this period,
Australian overdose deaths increased relentlessly. Due to its restricted
status, methadone in France is generally reserved for the more difficult
cases. The authors state: “From the beginning, methadone appears to have
had the image in France of ‘a drug of last resort’ for the most
desperate cases”. Hence the higher per-patient death rates are probably
a combination of the drug’s higher toxicity as well as it being used in
higher risk circumstances clinically in France.

When compared, the figure of 60 deaths in a five year period is
reassuringly low. This is in stark contrast to 900 methadone overdose
deaths reported in New York City over a 9 year period (Bryant and
colleagues in last month’s Addiction). The difference is so great that
it would appear France is doing something right while America is doing
something wrong. Treatment access is doubtless a factor, and one can
only speculate about the contribution of so-called US zero tolerance or
‘harm maximization’ policies as being related to the marked differences
in outcomes in what is essentially the same social phenomenon in two
very large, sometimes very tough cities on opposite sides of the
Atlantic. New York’s Rockefeller laws, with long mandatory jail terms
for relatively minor drug offences, seem not to have had the desired
effect, yet it seems they are politically very hard to reverse. It is
good to know that the US has finally introduced buprenorphine treatment
but sad to learn that, like methadone, most of the people who need it
either cannot afford it or it is simply find that it is not available in
their neighbourhood.

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

Pirnay S, Borron SW, Giudicelli CP, Tourneau J, Baud FJ, Ricordel I. A
critical review of the causes of death among post-mortem toxicological
investigations: analysis of 34 buprenorphine-associated and 35
methadone-associated deaths. Addiction (2004) 99: 978–988
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Dependency Medicine,
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New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631
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From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] UUSean, belief, …
Date: August 31, 2004 at 8:42:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Dark,

Yes, I have said before that I think that belief is key. If I believe I cannot put down heroin and crack and lead a different life, then I won’t. I did not believe that I could go to NYC alone without visiting the crack spot. I was right. Saturday night I was in NY alone, I believed that I could would not look for crack…I did not look for it.

I think that 12 step works that way for those for whom it works. One believes their higher power will keep them clean, and (S)he does. Right now I believe that activism and this list will keep me off crack, and it does.

All of this change is post ibo. I did believe in the ibogaine too. And the stories of those who had dosed before me. The treatment links on the ibogaine.mindvox page were very helpful in my understanding of recovery. Patrick in particular concerning the importance of belief.

And the advise to be more cool. I liked that a lot too, especially when I feel like being an asshole. Of course sometimes I cannot resist. What is it the 12 steppers say, “progress not perfection.” I sure don’t want to get too close to perfect to fast. I’m having too much fun flawed.:)

UUsean

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 7:11:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

fuckin amazin. My back feels totally better. And look at that I didn’t have to shoot dope.
;o) Thanx Callie. I have to agree. its as if I’m thrown a life preserver in some respect everyday.
Having the best time! -M.

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:31:59 PM Central Daylight Time, mcorcoran27@yahoo.com writes:
craziest thing… I came home after we kicked the cops out of Union Sq. (I’ll explain later) I opened a drawer to get some salt and a full bottle of Celebrex fell out. Its a 02 / 03 exp. but fuck it… better than nothing.

God works in mysterious ways!
I feel sure the Celebrex is fine! (expiration date)
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 6:47:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/2004 4:31:59 PM Central Daylight Time, mcorcoran27@yahoo.com writes:
craziest thing… I came home after we kicked the cops out of Union Sq. (I’ll explain later) I opened a drawer to get some salt and a full bottle of Celebrex fell out. Its a 02 / 03 exp. but fuck it… better than nothing.

God works in mysterious ways!
I feel sure the Celebrex is fine! (expiration date)
Callie

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 5:57:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 11:31 AM, mcorcoran wrote:

Celebrex fell out. Its a 02 / 03 exp. but fuck it… better than nothing. I’ll let you know if it works.

often times expiration dates translate merely to:

The pharmaceutical companies want more of your money.

the meds are most likely still good.

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]Celebrexa(sp??)
Date: August 31, 2004 at 5:33:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yea for celebrex!

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:29:55 AM Central Daylight Time, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:
There is a section on ‘Celexa’, and forgive me for my
ignorance, if it isn’t the same as Celebra(sp?)…

Celexa is an anti-depressant and Celebrex is an anti- inflammatory or NSAID (non steroidal anti- inflammatory drug)

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From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 5:31:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

craziest thing… I came home after we kicked the cops out of Union Sq. (I’ll explain later) I opened a drawer to get some salt and a full bottle of Celebrex fell out. Its a 02 / 03 exp. but fuck it… better than nothing. I’ll let you know if it works. And I’ll call you later and tell you about union sq.
Howard, Glad you got that phone call, and I didn’t suggest it. But I’m glad you guys will talk.
Randy, please let me know what happened with your search yesterday.
Everyone else – hope all is well. -m.

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I’m so sorry Mark,
I have looked and looked, and do not remember what I did with it. Again,
if I do come across it I will give you every one of them, but for now, I do
not remember where they are. Tis a shame too, as I had boxes handed me the
first visit at my pain doc’s, you know, all the samples he’d been given by
the company. I mighta thrown them out as they did nothing at all for my
pain.
peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]

This is the last time I’ll bother you but any luck finding the Celabrex ?

Preston Peet wrote:
>the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

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From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]

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From: Sara Glatt
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]

Dear Jasen,

I’m very near the U.K if you think AUSTRALIAN , 20 minutes from Amsterdam
airport, in the countryside’
It is hard to give a straight answer. Only one person asked his methadone
back because he was too afraid to quit.
The rest left the house clean. A treatment from a 100+ mg of methado! ne is
two weeks.
in those two weeks a person gets as many booster doses, ( dose a Iboga
will give a person energy and take the pain away)
As needed, also magic mushroom which relaxed the muscles and help to restore
sleep for some it gives new insight about their Iboga treatment, and
Cannabis which is one of my sacrament and proven
To be of a great benefit to many people during their two weeks stay.
Santa-Maria will potentate the Iboga which means that you don’t need to take
high doses of Iboga.
I have done about 150 treatments, some repeated treatments of people who
need more then one treatment.
The success of the treatment is a combination of things, What DH has
suggested , a support system post -Ibo is one of them, or
If a person has a job, school, relationship or simply just new passion for
life.

All the best,

Sara

Dear Sara,
Thankyou for the detailed answer,your treatment sounds wonderful.
I am a bit c! urious about the mushrooms with the Iboga,the idea of tripping
whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.

Have you found that after 2 weeks all withdrawal is gone with meth patients?

Smiles
Jasen (Aus)

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] OpiateAddictionRxENews; China, Scotland, Germany and USA
Date: August 31, 2004 at 4:40:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: mollifour@yahoo.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

O P I A T E A D D I C T I O N R X,
August 2004 Ref:126

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Worldwide Highlights:
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USA: VA: WOMAN JAILED FOR LISTENING TO DOCTOR

Kimberly Bucklin sits in the Tazewell County jail, unfortunately
caught in the middle between a doctor who prescribed
methadone to help her break an OxyContin addiction, and a
judge who prohibited her from taking methadone when he
put her on probation.

The case presents a conflict between law enforcement and
the medical needs of recovering addicts. At a heariAugust
August 20 Judge Henry Vanover was asked to reconsider
his three-year prison sentence for Bucklin’s probation violation.
Dr. Robert G. Newman, testifying as an expert witness,
stated that methadone was an effective treatment that
when administered properly reduces criminality and allows
addicts to live normal lives. The case, was reopened at
the request of the American Civil Liberties Union and
drug treatment advocates. (Source: The Roanoke Times,
Laurence Hammack) For more information on this story:
http://www.opiateaddictionrx.info/whatsnew.asp?id=634

GERMANY: “COLLABORATION BETWEEN PHYSICIAN
AND PHARMACIST IN ‘SUBSTITUTION TREATMENT’

Since the early 90s Germany has been in the forefront of
treatment by generalist physicians of opiate addiction with
methadone and other agonist medications. There has also
been major reliance on community-based pharmacies.
The experience has been excellent, as reported in a 2002
paper (in German) which concluded: “*collaboration
between physicians, pharmacists and patients contributed
greatly to minimizing the risks associated with this form
of treatment and is fundamental to the achievement of
optimal results.” It goes on to state that “every modern
pharmacy should participate [in this treatment].” Source:
Pallenbach. Pharmazie in unsere Zeit. 31(1):90-95, 2002

SCOTLAND: COMMUNITY PHARMACIES AS PARTNER
IN PROVIDING OPIATE ADDICTION SERVICES

“…the bulk of substitute prescribing takes place in a primary
care setting with community pharmacies dispensing . . . ”
Over 8,800 patients receive methadone in that setting, 65%
ingesting it under direct supervision. Excerpts from the conclusions:
majority of (non-addiction treatment) customers were supportive
of community pharmacies offering methadone and/or needle
exchange services; many had “limited understanding of the
rationale for methadone.” The final observation by the authors:
“This research should encourage more pharmacies to offer
drug misuse services . . . ” (Lawrie et al. Drug and Alc RJune
June 2004; vol. 23:195-202)

“METHADONE RELATED DEATHS”

Methadone deaths continue to make the news in the US
and elsewhere. Accordingly, reliable data to cast light on
what is actually transpiring are essential. One important
study published last year reports on “methadone in
drug-related deaths in the west of Scotland.” The conclusion:
“after 1996 deaths involving methadone have decreased
despite both an increasing number of people being
prescribed methadone and an overall increase in drug-related
deaths. . . . The argument that methadone is an unsafe
alternativetherapy for opiate addiction is not supported by the
results of this study.” Note that in this part of Scotlamnd the
overwhelming majority of patients receive methadone prescribed
by office-based generalist physicians, and administered
(commonly under direct supervision) by community pharmacies.
Ref.: Seymour et al. Addiction. 98:995-1002, 2003

CHINA: GOVERNMENT SLOWLY INTRODUCES
METHADONE TREATMENT FOR OPIATE ADDICTION

With half of the estimated 1 million HIV infections in China
attributed to spread by intravenous drug use, and with
projections of HIV/AIDS reaching upwards of 10 million
people by 2010, the government has begun to change
its policies and practices.

After decades of ignoring addiction except through
attempts to crack down on supply, and by incarceration of
users in “camps,” Beijing officials are now urging local
governments to provide methadone treatment and
“harm reduction” methods such as needle exchange.
Eight methadone pilot programs have been launched
just this year in southern China, the center of the AIDS
problem. The programs are still small with each treating a
few hundred patients, but further expansion is anticipated.
Meanwhile, Hong Kong’s methadone program continues
to be considered a major success after almost 30 years of
continuous operation.

For the complete article by Shashank Bengali which
appeared in the Knight Ridders NewspapAugust
August 10, 2004, click below:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9365186.htm

USA: ENDORSEMENT OF METHADONE
TREATMENT IN PRISON

Criminal Justice System agencies are generally
hostile towards methadone treatment, in jail or
anywhere else. Accordingly, it was gratifying to see a
ringing endorsement of methadone treatment in the prison
setting appear in a publication called Correction Professional
(vol 9, number 21, 16 Aug 04). The article quotes The
National Drug Court Institute: “80% of those who stick
with the [methadone] program reduce or eliminate
their criminal activity.”

USA – CONTINUING “METHADONE WOES” NOT
ATTRIBUTED TO ADDICTION TREATMENT PROGRAMS

Those battling local opposition to expansion of methadone
treatment services might consider an article of Dec. 29, 2003,
regarding Tazewell County in Western Virginia. The region
saw methadone-related deaths climb from 12 in 1999 to 62 in
2002, and roughly 70 in 2003. But the State’s medical examiner
for the district said “the circumstances . . . do not point toward
methadone clinics.” The chief of drug diversion for the State Police
agreed: “…methadone treatment clinics have played a minimal
role in methadone abuse in the region.” As for clinics becoming
magnets for drug crimes, Tazewell’s Deputy Police Chief “. . .
said his department has had a methadone clinic in its jurisdiction for
almost two years with little or no impact of drug abuse or
dealing.” Police in a neighboring city said that since its establishment
in 1997 they were called only once, “when a building security
alarm accidentally sounded.”.

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LETTER TO THE EDITOR:
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Al-Qaeda’s Poppy Profits
R.G.Newman, MD; Time Magazine,
Aug 30, 2004 Edition
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1101040830-686046,00.html

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UPCOMING CONFERENCES:
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Ethnicity & Addiction
16th International Congress on Addiction
September 8 – 10
Vienna, Austria
http://www.ethnicity-addiction.com

The Third International Conference on
Substitution Treatment and Rehabilitation
of Drug Addiction
September 28-30, 2004
Katowice, Poland
http://www.aids.gov.pl/arch_en/4415

American Association of Treatment of
Opioid Dependence
October 16-20, 2004
Orlando, Florida, USA

AATOD Homepage

VI European Conference
European Opiate Addiction Treatment Association
November 1-3, 2004
Paris, France
http://www.europad.org

Fifth National Harm Reduction Conference
November 11-14, 2004
New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
http://www.harmreduction.org/conf2004

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Maureen O’Connor
Project Director, Web Site
International Center for the
Advancement of Addiction Treatment
http://www.OpiateAddictionRx.info
212-523-8398

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]Celebrexa(sp??)
Date: August 31, 2004 at 4:37:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/2004 11:29:55 AM Central Daylight Time, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:
There is a section on ‘Celexa’, and forgive me for my
ignorance, if it isn’t the same as Celebra(sp?)…

Celexa is an anti-depressant and Celebrex is an anti- inflammatory or NSAID (non steroidal anti- inflammatory drug)

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]Celebrexa(sp??)
Date: August 31, 2004 at 2:16:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 08:06 AM, HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/31/04 11:30:04 AM, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:

I found a website that might be of interest to you:

http://crazymeds.org/

There is a section on ‘Celexa’, and forgive me for my
ignorance, if it isn’t the same as Celebra(sp?)…

Julie

celebrex is an anti arthritis medication (you know, happy colorful images of older people celebrating with celebrex while jogging, swimming, golfing)

celexa is an anti-depressant in the SSRI class

_.dh

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]Celebrexa(sp??)
Date: August 31, 2004 at 2:06:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/04 11:30:04 AM, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:

I found a website that might be of interest to you:

http://crazymeds.org/

There is a section on ‘Celexa’, and forgive me for my
ignorance, if it isn’t the same as Celebra(sp?)…

Julie

Julie and all,

I have to get out of here but, just wanted to suggest any of your having to
check meds go to http://www.rxlist.com as they will give you technical
information on most rx drugs.

Howard

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]Celebrexa(sp??)
Date: August 31, 2004 at 12:25:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I found a website that might be of interest to you:

http://crazymeds.org/

There is a section on ‘Celexa’, and forgive me for my
ignorance, if it isn’t the same as Celebra(sp?)…

Julie

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From: “mark connors” <darkmattersfo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] UUSean, belief, …
Date: August 31, 2004 at 12:03:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Sean, yea we do have some things in common. In another post you mention your self as a sceptical mystic (or similar). I refer to myself as a athiest mystic. hmmm.

An interesting parallel between Ibogaine and 12 step (though a weak parallel) is that when Bill W. had his mystical experience where he saw the “light” in the hospital it was after doing a hallucingen in the hospital. In my harm reduction program it is emphasized that many of us don’t try to get clean because we don’t beleive we can. I think there is an element of truth in it.

I did LifeRing for several years. I got alot out of it which is one of the reasons this round of meth addiction is not a heavy as it got before. I feel a paradigm shift coming (and needed), one that I hope is facilitated by Ibo.

From: UUSEAN@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Introduction part 2
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:11:37 EDT

Hi Dark Matters,

Sounds like we have much in common. My crack/heroin use broke up my seven
year “marriage” with my lover. I too went the secular AA route (and
SMART,RR)etc, always ending up back with a crack stem in my mouth and a straw up my nose,
and alter needle in the arm.

Most programs require a belief that they can work. You know, the “work if
you work em” kinda thing. After ibogaine, I believe in myself. I could not
make that statement my whole 20 years in NA.
Pax,
Sean

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From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:25:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my background:
I went to the jungle Amazonas to meet the Ayahuasca in 1994.
Later in 1996 i met S. Daime´s group.
I guess Daniel is a “fardado” or at least he´s close to Santo Daime´s group.
(Santo Daime means literally “Saint Give Me” :-))
www.santodaime.org
Don´t you have Chacruna, Rainha, Psycotria Viridis, available there?
There´s a reason to call it Rainha (Queen), and the fields where it grows
are called Reinados (kingdoms or should I say: queendoms).
Jurema, does not participate in Santo Daime´s brew. But you can make another
brew.
They (SD) use just Jagube (ayahuasca) and Rainha, to make all the Degraus,
Dobraus and Mel (mmmh!). Changing just, proportions and concentrations.
I understand that in Netherlands there are official Church Chapters of Santo
Daime.
The amount of Daime you take in a “trabajo”, depends of what kind of trabajo
is, and who is on command. You could be given even more that you can easily
“handle”, in a “trabalho de estrela” (star work) you´ll be given one (or
more) big copo (glass), of the brew, (i mean a BIG). But it is not (IT IS
NOT) a shamanic type of thing, it is a “trabajo de corriente”, closer than a
Kardecist kind of thing, so you don´t “react alone”, the brew will open
energetically you and your fellows and “something” like a circuit, an
egregor, is created, they´ll keep on singing/dancing (in an extremely neat &
ordered way).
So there´s no place to the “shamanic individual trip” (for the moment).
You ought to keep the “form” but if you deserve it, you´ll be grasp by “the
Force” and you´ll do your trip (your shamanic individual trip), and then
it´s OK, they enjoy and support you.
If your subttles body are mature you´ll go without faint, you´ll keep on
dancing and/or singing while you´re tripping, if not enough practised you´ll
just faint or fall to the floor, and you´ll do it from there.
You could make the brew a lot more visual or psychedellic adding Toé
(brugmansia or datura), but you´ll have something of your own creation, with
a different “toxycology” than Daime. You have to know in the community some
pregnant women may drink Daime (before, during and after
pregnancy/chilbirth), so close attention to toxicity.
Harmala may give a more “earthbound” sensation, but again you MUST diet a
few days, before and after, your body chemistry would be VERY altered
The firsts contacts with this force is difficult, hard to understand, you
have to overcome a lot of personal resistance. We are born in the
Instant-Quick society, and this is a process
¿why this people tell me what to do, and what not to do? In some moments, is
not the people is GAIA.
When you are “pegado” (= glued?), (being under the effects) you start to
“aparelhar” (i wont translate that), something like you “start to develope”
another “organs”, contact other dimensions, or something that is needed for
spiritual life, 6º sense, or… well, misteries of the Mestre (master).
Like in a physical trainning, you improve day after day, thru your
practise.<

I just want to point that a recreational trip, even with a IMAO mix,
is different than tripping with Daime, (not better not worse, just
different)

if you trip with Daime is not only because the”right dose”, is a sum of
things, and the result is always: if you tripped, you are “merecedor”. (you
are worth it) It´s Grace, a Blessing.
SD make the brew in an old fashion way, no machines involved, with constant
singing, males working with jagube, and women with rainha, they mix in the
end.
So when you drink it, you are drinking a sacrament wich has been made as a
sacrament, and I dare to guess that it would be brought by some fardado, “in
Hand” till the church.
I hope you don´t mind the mix between spanish & portugues.

Out of topic but interesting.
I love this list

germándc

—– Original Message —–
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.

Hi Jasen,

Sometimes it is scary to think about tripping, but even without tripping
mushrooms in small amount can help you therapeutically.

It isn’t about fun, but about a rollercoaster, when you come out of it you
are happy to be alive. A short cut to transformation on many levels.

Here is something I like to share with you, about the help of plant
medicinal.

We can be contacted at the following e-mail adresses:

Daniel Nashiv Waterman : waterman.design@wxs.nl
Sara Glatt : sara119@xs4all.nl

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2004 8:23
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [ibogaine]

the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:21:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m so sorry Mark,
I have looked and looked, and do not remember what I did with it. Again,
if I do come across it I will give you every one of them, but for now, I do
not remember where they are. Tis a shame too, as I had boxes handed me the
first visit at my pain doc’s, you know, all the samples he’d been given by
the company. I mighta thrown them out as they did nothing at all for my
pain.
peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: mcorcoran
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]

This is the last time I’ll bother you but any luck finding the Celabrex ?

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]

—– Original Message —–
From: Sara Glatt
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]

Dear Jasen,

All the best,

Sara

Have you found that after 2 weeks all withdrawal is gone with meth patients?

Smiles
Jasen (Aus)

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:15:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Sara,
I know I’ve said this before, but a trip to your house seems like
something I’m really gonna have tp make someday or other. I gotta go get a
new passport first though, and oh, you know, scrape together some money and
the like, and living in Manhattan doesn’t exactly help me with that.
Peace and love and thanks kindly for posting this.
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.

Hi Jasen,

Sometimes it is scary to think about tripping, but even without tripping
mushrooms in small amount can help you therapeutically.

It isn’t about fun, but about a rollercoaster, when you come out of it you
are happy to be alive. A short cut to transformation on many levels.

Here is something I like to share with you, about the help of plant
medicinal.

We can be contacted at the following e-mail adresses:

Daniel Nashiv Waterman : waterman.design@wxs.nl
Sara Glatt : sara119@xs4all.nl

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2004 8:23
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [ibogaine]

the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Weening from methadone with H
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:18:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You are totally right-I hear SO much stuff about Meth or Subutex or whatever on the street and most of its bullshit! Why is it addicts are so sure they know best? I’ve just had a ‘discussion’ with someone about Subutex who just wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say. I worry that I sound patronising or summat but he just would not listenm! In the end I offered to SHOW him results/research/1st hand accounts on the Net but ofcourse he wasn’t interested. (It was over Subutex being addictive) I don’t think it would have mattered whatever I said-he had his opinion and was sticking to it!

And I agree-my drug problem was CAUSED by my problems with LIFE! Getting rid of my H didn’t make my life better. For a month or so I felt good cause I was clean but then you realise how nothing has changed! Now I’m trying to find out what makes me happy and where I want MY life to go!

Lol Hannah 🙂
—– Original Message —–
From: Sapphirestardus@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Weening from methadone with H

You are correct Hannah. This is and has been one of the more popular ‘Urban’ and ‘Suburban’ myths. Though baby boomers will be the only true test subjects of long term use, as far as chemicals go, methadone (unfortunately or fortunately) is a relatively safe drug. I know people don’t want to hear this and certainly don’t wish to believe it, but based on the research (not opinions) almost all of the shit you hear about meth comes from addicts and most addicts are just not informed.

Also I wanted to tell Shelly something, you did not fuck up at all. There are a couple of thoughts about this: the one most cliche but very true is plain and simple, life often is 2 steps forward-one step back. You are still ahead of the game. But I don’t think you even went back. This is the reason I do not think one’s specific goal should be “getting off drugs”. It is a great notion, but you need to understand and learn what about you and your life allows you to perpetuate an attitude and behavior that is negative for you or just something you no longer wish to do. Doing drugs is rarely the only problem or situation in your life that needs work. Correct?

What happens often in therapy is the drug abuse is the goal, and they are able to arrest that behavior but most of the time other patterns will develop e.g. overeating, isolation, total inactivity (depression that manifests as not working, lying in bed all day etc.) and a million others! This is because both therapist and patient believe the symptom is the problem. There is no doubt that in a culture such as ours, abuse and addiction to drugs is a problem and causes problems. BUT!!! People who have no issues to deal with that are self destructive try grugs, even do them for a while but are always able to control it. Those of us with ‘issues’ or ‘problems’ allow ourselves to commit to self destruction, a hurtful existence and in general negative patterns and that is what we should be seeking as a goal in any treatment. Shelly, we set ourselves up for disappointment and feelings of ‘failure’ because a symptom manifested in our lives and we have been taught that the symptom is the problem.

Shelly, I hope you believe me because I promise you this is the truth. YOU did not fuck up and of course YOU are not a fuck up. You experienced a symptom of something within you that needs to be dealt with. That is all. Have a really great day!

Sincerely,

Julian

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 10:07:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow I have been wanting to do ayahausca ever since Ive read about it,& heres a cool way with powerful healing intent& the right setting too WOW!

Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Jasen,

Sometimes it is scary to think about tripping, but even without tripping
mushrooms in small amount can help you therapeutically.

It isn’t about fun, but about a rollercoaster, when you come out of it you
are happy to be alive. A short cut to transformation on many levels.

Here is something I like to share with you, about the help of plant
medicinal.

Dear Friends,
It is not always easy to work with Ayahuasca. There is for example the
demand to make and test the Ayahuasca that you are going to use on yourself,
before you give it to anyone else. This process carries certain risks. I
have been looking for all kinds of different Ayahuasca mixes to work with. I
want one that is visual, but also one that is powerful enough to keep us in
its grip, and allow for steady visions, as well as the therapeutic
processes, that seem to come only when the visual effects are accompanied by
a ‘no escape’ sensation.

These therapeutic effects are sometimes so powerful that even a person with
quite lot of experience must go through a lot of pain and suffering. I have
had a few death/re-birth experiences during the years that I took Ayahuasca,
but last nights session was one of the most powerful I ever experienced, so
I would like to tell you a little bit about it.

The admixture I was using is a mix of Mimosa Hostilis (Jurema) and
Banisteriopsis Caapi (Jagube). The latter was supplied by an online supplier
for testing purposes only, and I was aware that it is an extract,
concentrated 10:1. The question is however what does this really mean? In
the Santo Daime churches there is a scale for expressing the strength of
Daime, ranging from Primeiro Degrau (first degree) then Doubrado (doubled)
and finally there is Mel (honey), the concentration of which is anyone’s
guess. How can such highly concentrated substances be tested, if not simply
by taking some and praying that the dose is not too powerful?

Since my supplier had received the information that the Banisteriopsis Caapi
10:1 mixture which came in the form of a dried powder meant that one gram
was a full dose, I began testing it (on my own) at half its strength. I
presumed that I would be able to feel the MAO action, as a shift in my
Serotonin level. Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) can be felt quite powerfully
after ingestion, and I presumed this would be true of the Caapi as well.
Indeed I did feel it some minutes after I ingested it, but I did not take
any DMT containing substance, and the effects went unnoticed after about two
hours.

I decided to spend the Saturday at Sara’s house, and take a new dose there
with her. This time, I served myself a full dose of 1 gram (dissolved in
water) and drank a full does of Jurema a few minutes later. I gave Sara a
smaller dose, which was unnecessary I found out later, because she has had
much experience with Iboga, and that substance is much more powerful. After
about half an hour the force of the Ayahuasca gripped me. I threw up, but
that did nothing to lessen the onslaught. It is hard to describe the
gripping force of the substance, but I felt as if my body and mind were held
in a vice, a vice that was moving and flying through space and time. I was
unable to focus, and hardly able to sit still. I started to have my doubts
about the dosage, and to think that I had maybe made a mistake, perhaps even
a lethal one. Sara on the other hand seemed fairly relaxed, lying on the
couch with a blanket over herself.

I decided that I would have to go all the way this time, even if it meant
dying, I wanted to lose it: just surrender to whatever it was that was going
to happen. I started to say goodbye and thank all the people and spirits
that had been guiding me. Naturally there was a lot of sorrow, and I was
very grateful for Sara being there, and allowing me to express my feelings.
I could not feel the end of the tunnel, but gradually as I resigned myself,
the feelings of dread started to lift. Perhaps many years ago I would have
been unable to see that I had survived, but things have changed, and I could
laugh again, still a little shaky but nonetheless a lot wiser.

I am so glad that I had that experience, and I know that such therapeutic
doses are what I wish to work with, but I have never allowed myself the
freedom to administer them myself, for the simple reason that I would never
give someone something that I had not taken myself. Now I know what a high
dose I can administer, new possibilities open themselves, for those friends
who wish to experience this for themselves, and have adequate guidance and
friendship and love around them while they are processing whatever comes up,
such a dose is now available!

This session has allowed me to reconsider a number of things (including a
few personal matters as you may imagine) and one of the things I would like
to try is to offer such healing works in small groups. There will be a
financial contribution to make, of around 85 -100 euros per session. The way
I have arrived at this figure is by comparing the type of work going on at
the Santo Daime and other Ayahuasca groups. Therapeutic results reached
during such sessions normally occur only infrequently, the norm seems to be
that one has to ask for a larger than normal dose, but in such large groups
it is very hard to willingly take such large doses and allow the spirit of
the Ayahuasca to take over completely. Secondly, the substance itself costs
quite a lot more to prepare than if it were made in large batches, such as
the Daime. Thirdly, any money left over after the costs of the substance
have been deducted, go towards the house where the session takes place, in
this case Sara’s home, which is a place where healing takes place, and where
Iboga is used to help drug addicts free themselves. Sara tries to make this
work affordable, but it is difficult for her to make ends meet, so I would
like to help her this way.

We can be contacted at the following e-mail adresses:

Daniel Nashiv Waterman : waterman.design@wxs.nl
Sara Glatt : sara119@xs4all.nl

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 31 augustus 2004 8:23
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [ibogaine]

>the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Weening from methadone with H
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:59:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey List ,and thanks julian,I really like what you said,food for thought this am!

Sapphirestardus@aol.com wrote:
You are correct Hannah. This is and has been one of the more popular ‘Urban’ and ‘Suburban’ myths. Though baby boomers will be the only true test subjects of long term use, as far as chemicals go, methadone (unfortunately or fortunately) is a relatively safe drug. I know people don’t want to hear this and certainly don’t wish to believe it, but based on the research (not opinions) almost all of the shit you hear about meth comes from addicts and most addicts are just not informed.

Sincerely,

Julian

From: Sapphirestardus@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Weening from methadone with H
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:31:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sincerely,

Julian

From: mcorcoran <mcorcoran27@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]
Date: August 31, 2004 at 9:26:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is the last time I’ll bother you but any luck finding the Celabrex ?

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>the idea of tripping whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.<

Oh my goodness, I had the exactly opposite reaction to yours when reading
Sara’s letter Jasen.
Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine]

—– Original Message —–
From: Sara Glatt
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]

Dear Jasen,

I’m very near the U.K if you think AUSTRALIAN , 20 minutes from Amsterdam
airport, in the countryside’
It is hard to give a straight answer. Only one person asked his methadone
back because he was too afraid to quit.
The rest left the house clean. A treatment from a 100+ mg of methadone is
two weeks.
in those two weeks a person gets as many booster doses, ( dose a Iboga
will give a person energy and take the pain away)
As needed, also magic mushroom which relaxed the muscles and help to restore
sleep for some it gives new insight about their Iboga treatment, and
Cannabis which is one of my sacrament and proven
To be of a great benefit to many people during their two weeks stay.
Santa-Maria will potentate the Iboga which means that you don’t need to take
high doses of Iboga.
I have done about 150 treatments, some repeated treatments of people who
need more then one treatment.
The success of the treatment is a combination of things, What DH has
suggested , a support system post -Ibo is one of them, or
If a person has a job, school, relationship or simply just new passion for
life.

All the best,

Sara

Dear Sara,
Thankyou for the detailed answer,your treatment sounds wonderful.
I am a bit curious about the mushrooms with the Iboga,the idea of tripping
whilst hanging
out is not very appealing,however I am sure you have reason.

Have you found that after 2 weeks all withdrawal is gone with meth patients?

Smiles
Jasen (Aus)

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] the not so big pill
Date: August 31, 2004 at 8:03:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 8/31/2004 12:13:08 AM Central Daylight Time, jasonburseyiboga@yahoo.ca writes:
Was it due to my methadone dose being so high that my bio-chem’s still aren’t up to par?
Jasen, Sorry you have a jaw ache. There is nothing anymore painful than a tooth extraction or ache.
I don’t remember the dose of Methadone you are on but as you know over 50mg blocks any ‘high’ or euphoria from opiates. This lasts a while after your last dose. It takes a while for your body to readjust to pre-methadone status.
I always find Ibuprofen or Vixx to help with dental pain. If you are on anticoagulants though you should not take anti inflammatory drugs as they act much like aspirin in thinning blood.
Hope you feel better today.
Callie

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]the idea of tripping.
Date: August 31, 2004 at 7:25:57 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com