Ibogaine List Archives - 2006-01

From: “Clare S. Wilkins” <lavidaclarita@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine & Anti-Depressants
Date: January 31, 2006 at 7:15:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello everyone,

I have done Ibogaine – it changed my life – years of heroin abuse and
methadone addiction are now firmly behind me. Yay!
My question, though, is on behalf of a friend (who is already off
heroin) who wants to get off his Effexor and Klonipin.
Has anyone here used Ibogaine to get off anti-depressants, and what was
your experience? Any links or readings on this particular subject will
be greatly appreciated.

Mahalo,
Clare
lavidaclarita@yahoo.com

— Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah that’s pretty funny really!
Reminds me of something too, but that might have to be in a private
email
lol
Can’t leave it alone golly gosh no
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 30 January 2006 7:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test

Hmmm,..about time, I,ve been trying to send email to the list for
a few days now with none getting through.

Hey Kirsty,..I was going to write “testes” too,..but I thought I had
better not in case it got you all worked up,…aaand you still
thought
of testes. Golly and gee wiz girl,..your a crack up (ay,..leave that
one
alone) Haaa.

love Jasen

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] to Preston from ron
Date: January 31, 2006 at 4:04:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You are living my dream of meeting the Angel of Mercy. I am so envious but happy for you at the same time. I hope on your return, you will off list me and give me the skinny except for Sara’s trade secrets…Love to Sara, luck to one kool kat, Preston…. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro

I felt like shit from Friday afternoon until last night, and have suddenly
decided, since starting eating and having a good talk with a friend who’s
coming to visit in Amsterdam next weekend, that I don’t feel so bad
afterall.
Thanks for the positive note Jasen.
Maybe more later, maybe not. I haven’t decided yet.
Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro

Preston,

You the man,.you go bro.

I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.

Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:23 PM
.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck
folks.

;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 31, 2006 at 8:08:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.
Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.

ehehe… so is that a double pun then?

like, iboga root…. =)

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:37:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,

You the man,.you go bro.

I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.

Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:23 PM
.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck folks.

;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 30, 2006 at 1:04:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro

Preston,
You the man,.you go bro.
I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.
Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.
love, Jasen

( written 3 days ago)

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:23 PM
.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck folks.
;-))
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more thoughts about the initation with mallendi
Date: January 29, 2006 at 10:33:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi matt, thanks for your report! wow, sounds cool!
and chamonix truly has a great scenery!
all the best – keep posting
one mundane question – what was the cost for the initiation?
ekki

Am 28.01.2006 um 09:49 schrieb matthew zielinski:

well im in chamonix and enjoying the scenery

recolecting my thoughts/visions from my iboga experince

there is a huge diffrnce between pure iboga and the hcl….the experience is much more smoother

the music, the athmoshere, the chants make a huge difference

there were 17 of us who were having the initation and 10 people who were holding the nergy

its intense and hard on the body/mind………..eat and puke-visions….eat and puke —-visions…….and continue this for two nights……..

the second night they painted all our faces white while they painted/dressed themsevles in beatuiful colors/custumes——–the energy was out of this world

gave us a mirror and the real journy began

it was tripy to watch ur face in the mirror all fucked up with comatose eyes and witnesing everything disapear and other dimensions opening up………..

the visions in the mirror are much more intense than the visions i had while my eyes were closed

i spend most of time in africa undergoing different initations

the initation was done with as much proximity to the real initation in africa

of course there were many parts missing but we still danced sang and had a good time

tripy part was when u wnated to talk you had to say bookaye which means something like “im going to speak” so everytime someone said bookaye everybody else had to scream aiiiiiiii then ejjjjjjjjjj…….it was a fuken trip………u are sitting there triping and sudenly u hear this loud scream…BOOKAYE…….and everybody goes AIIIIIIIIIII ,,,,,,,,,,,,EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY then when u done talking u say bookaye again and everybody answeres aiiiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjjjjj

this was amazing way to unify everybody, so everybody is on the same page

also out of nowhere mallendi would scream BOOKAYE just to get everybody together and everybody again aiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjj

hard to explian but very intense

i didnt reach that stage when i got all the answeres that everybody else got……..mallendi said i had some blockage (maybe some heroin still in me) but he said no matter how much iboga i would eat i would never reach that stage that night

alrightr

many other amazing things happend but will relate them later

tomorow im going back there to be with my friend who will be doing iboga for his addiction…….will propably do some iboga just to stay awake and help out with the enrgy

love

matt

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TEST
Date: January 27, 2006 at 5:27:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Test

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Test
Date: January 30, 2006 at 3:00:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahahah that’s pretty funny really!
Reminds me of something too, but that might have to be in a private email
lol
Can’t leave it alone golly gosh no
Koik

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 30 January 2006 7:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test

Hmmm,..about time, I,ve been trying to send email to the list for
a few days now with none getting through.

Hey Kirsty,..I was going to write “testes” too,..but I thought I had
better not in case it got you all worked up,…aaand you still thought
of testes. Golly and gee wiz girl,..your a crack up (ay,..leave that one
alone) Haaa.

love Jasen

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test
Date: January 30, 2006 at 1:03:01 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hmmm,..about time, I,ve been trying to send email to the list for
a few days now with none getting through.

Hey Kirsty,..I was going to write “testes” too,..but I thought I had
better not in case it got you all worked up,…aaand you still thought
of testes. Golly and gee wiz girl,..your a crack up (ay,..leave that one
alone) Haaa.

love Jasen

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 30, 2006 at 12:33:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, it’s great to see you posting from Sara’s. I’m with ya on this dude, anything I can do to help from this end just let me know. I’m in KY right now but I’m sure I’ll be seeing you in the not so distant future. You are in a very good place right now, relax and take advantage of it. Play your guitar and write a song about what you are experiencing. You turn a phrase quite nicely. Say hello to Sara for me………….never mind I will……..Hi Sara, thanx for helping my friend. Randy

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 28, 2006 at 9:42:57 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lawdy, lawdy!! Such language tearing my virgin ears apart!!!
Doth the “lady” protesteth too much?
luvya koikie
tink
On 1/26/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
I think we got a live one here don’t we? Hello out there George, have you
had your MEDICATION TODAY??? Best ye go take it there’s a good lad “wink”
lol

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 12:18 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

fuk off and die u COAKCUKN PRICK LIKTRF
—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

people who keep insisting that they are particularly sane freak me the
fuck out. i don’t know ANYONE sane…
“specially me and you, kirk
LOLOLOLOLOLOLROFLMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tink

On 1/20/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LET THE INSANITY GOOD TIMES ROLL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

IT’S ALL NUTZ!!!!

Yours forever crazy as a …….something that’s reallyreally fucking
lost
it hahahahahahahaha

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time,
rwd3@cox.net
writes:

Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not
responsible, and insane

Disagree with you big time Don! Ron can write and discuss but Ron is also

a
junkie, false, scary, not responsible and insane. Koko is an imaginary
character, not any part of him is Ron because he is not real!!!!

I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!

Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but
every
post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!

Callie

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 30, 2006 at 10:36:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro

Preston,

You the man,.you go bro.

I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.

Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.

love, Jasen

;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for GuyTink from Guy
Date: January 30, 2006 at 5:16:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for that Tink and Crooked eye, I think I will try and arrange my schedule so that I can take as much time as need. guy
From: Crooked Eye [mailto:iboganaut420@yahoo.com]  Sent: 30 January 2006 08:23 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for GuyTink from Guy

I was kicking methadone, but it took me about 2 weeks before I felt okay, and like 2 months before I felt good… it was rough for the first 2 weeks tho, and I had absolutely no motivation to do anything but relax and recover…  Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi Tink, how much time off do you think I need to give myself. I have quite a high pressure job and need to perform. So I cant go back and fuck it up, after the Ibo thing. Guy  —–Original Message—– From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]  Sent: 26 January 2006 17:30 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy  Hi Guy! I’ve been treated both in and outside of the US, and i have to say that the providers i was privileged enough to have made it a far better experience than the one in Kitts. Okay, two treatments outside of Kitts, three in total, and NO MORE unless I’m in Gabon with Matt… I didn;’t think that it was going to work the first time(getting off of methadone), but it did. It was I who failed in keeping myself clean. The next one was off of suboxone, about 7 years later (?), and was an incredible experience, but apparently, I needed a slightly harder ass-whooping, which I got a few weeks ago. Listen to yourself, and give yourself a break. You’ll be fine love tink   On 1/25/06, Guy Bragge wrote: > > > > Hey Shelly thanks for that ,just what I needed to hear. We are waiting for > some ibogaine to arrive so it looks like it will be around 10 feb. > > Guy > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com] > Sent: 24 January 2006 17:14 > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy > > > > > Hi Guy, and welcome! In my experience personally & with others it seems > ibogaine gives you just what you need, and to be sure the best way to detox > ever! Im always awestruck by how “tailor made”my experiences were, probably > the most sound advice is to breath thru it , and you can always blink if you > need to start over with any visual material, I wish you the best!-shell > > Guy Bragge wrote: > > > > Hey Ron, > > > Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite a > lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who > facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I > will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am > quite nervous. M y girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up > for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very seldom, > nothing happens, so I remain hopeful. > > > guy > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] > Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53 > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy > > > > > > > Guy: > > > > One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While > they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are > doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way. > they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which > requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources & gt; at its disposal which proved to b e invaluable. it’s not party time, unless > you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life / > death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug, > length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors, > also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and > then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat, > but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a > layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different > reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to > pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many > m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who > differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from. > stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly > cou ntry , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the > product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws. > many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind. > there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i > live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical > model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a > long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this > all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as > stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to > contribute. ron > > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > From: Guy Bragge > > > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com > > > < div class=MsoNormal>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM > > > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela > > > > > > > Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we say > in South Africa. > > > Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you have > to go to? > > > Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesn’t make some big company loads > of cash then ban it.!! > > > Guy > > > ________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover > Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!    /]=———————————————————————=[\ [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] \]=———————————————————————=[/
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro
Date: January 26, 2006 at 9:18:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Good luck bro

Preston,
You the man,.you go bro.
I’ll be rooting for you here in Australia.
Haa,..rooting,…in Aus rooting also means
screwing. Your in my thoughts.
love, Jasen
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:23 PM
.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck folks.
;-))
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] guatemala, ketamine and !b0 + new PIC!
Date: January 29, 2006 at 3:26:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

tell me there is ibo in guate

how about mailorder like everybody else does it?

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] swiss detox center
Date: January 28, 2006 at 11:41:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://proadicta.ch/english.html

anyone heard of this? knows someone who did it?
thx, ekki

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for GuyTink from Guy
Date: January 30, 2006 at 1:23:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hi Tink, how much time off do you think I need to give myself. I have quite
a high pressure job and need to perform. So I cant go back and fuck it up,
after the Ibo thing.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 January 2006 17:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Hi Guy!
I’ve been treated both in and outside of the US, and i have to say
that the providers i was privileged enough to have made it a far
better experience than the one in Kitts. Okay, two treatments outside
of Kitts, three in total, and NO MORE unless I’m in Gabon with Matt…
I didn;’t think that it was going to work the first time(getting off
of methadone), but it did. It was I who failed in keeping myself
clean. The next one was off of suboxone, about 7 years later (?), and
was an incredible experience, but apparently, I needed a slightly
harder ass-whooping, which I got a few weeks ago.
Listen to yourself, and give yourself a break. You’ll be fine
love
tink

On 1/25/06, Guy Bragge wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Shelly thanks for that ,just what I needed to hear. We are waiting for
> some ibogaine to arrive so it looks like it will be around 10 feb.
>
> Guy
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 17:14
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guy, and welcome! In my experience personally & with others it seems
> ibogaine gives you just what you need, and to be sure the best way to
detox
> ever! Im always awestruck by how “tailor made”my experiences were,
probably
> the most sound advice is to breath thru it , and you can always blink if
you
> need to start over with any visual material, I wish you the best!-shell
>
> Guy Bragge wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey Ron,
>
>
> Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite
a
> lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who
> facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I
> will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am
> quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up
> for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very
seldom,
> nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.
>
>
> guy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
> Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Guy:
>
>
>
> One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider.
While
> they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they
are
> doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way.
> they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which
> requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of
resources
> at its disposal which proved to b e invaluable. it’s not party time,
unless
> you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life /
> death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug,
> length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors,
> also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session
and
> then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat,
> but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a
> layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for
different
> reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to
> pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many
> m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who
> differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull
from.
> stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO
friendly
> cou ntry , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the
> product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws.
> many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind.
> there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i
> live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the
medical
> model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for
a
> long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this
> all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited
as
> stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to
> contribute. ron
>
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
>
>
>
> From: Guy Bragge
>
>
>
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>
>
> < div class=MsoNormal>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM
>
>
>
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we
say
> in South Africa.
>
>
> Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you
have
> to go to?
>
>
> Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesn’t make some big company
loads
> of cash then ban it.!!
>
>
> Guy
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for GuyTink from Guy
Date: January 27, 2006 at 5:40:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink, how much time off do you think I need to give myself. I have quite
a high pressure job and need to perform. So I cant go back and fuck it up,
after the Ibo thing.
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 January 2006 17:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

On 1/25/06, Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:

Hey Shelly thanks for that ,just what I needed to hear. We are waiting for
some ibogaine to arrive so it looks like it will be around 10 feb.

Guy

________________________________

From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 24 January 2006 17:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:

Hey Ron,

Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite
a
lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who
facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I
will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am
quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up
for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very
seldom,
nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.

guy

________________________________

From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy:

One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider.
While
they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they
are
doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way.
they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which
requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of
resources
at its disposal which proved to b e invaluable. it’s not party time,
unless
you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life /
death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug,
length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors,
also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session
and
then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat,
but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a
layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for
different
reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to
pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many
m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who
differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull
from.
stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO
friendly
cou ntry , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the
product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws.
many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind.
there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i
live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the
medical
model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for
a
long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this
all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited
as
stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to
contribute. ron

—– Original Message —–

From: Guy Bragge

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

< div class=MsoNormal>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM

Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we
say
in South Africa.

Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you
have
to go to?

Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesn’t make some big company
loads
of cash then ban it.!!

Guy

________________________________

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Test
Date: January 29, 2006 at 11:44:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Testes

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 30 January 2006 5:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test

Test

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test
Date: January 29, 2006 at 11:40:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Test

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more thoughts about the initation with mallendi
Date: January 29, 2006 at 2:57:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Matt
That sounds really cool. It’s interesting the way you say the visions
with the mirror on the second night were much more intense. From my
experience with ibogaine the visions are insense for the first hours
and mellowing out the next day. All the screaming sounds though it
would be distracting.

Luke

On 1/28/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

well im in chamonix and enjoying the scenery

recolecting my thoughts/visions from my iboga experince

there is a huge diffrnce between pure iboga and the hcl….the experience is
much more smoother

the music, the athmoshere, the chants make a huge difference

there were 17 of us who were having the initation and 10 people who were
holding the nergy

its intense and hard on the body/mind………..eat and puke-visions….eat
and puke —-visions…….and continue this for two nights……..

the second night they painted all our faces white while they painted/dressed
themsevles in beatuiful colors/custumes——–the energy was out of this
world

gave us a mirror and the real journy began

it was tripy to watch ur face in the mirror all fucked up with comatose eyes
and witnesing everything disapear and other dimensions opening up………..

the visions in the mirror are much more intense than the visions i had while
my eyes were closed

i spend most of time in africa undergoing different initations

the initation was done with as much proximity to the real initation in
africa

of course there were many parts missing but we still danced sang and had a
good time

tripy part was when u wnated to talk you had to say bookaye which means
something like “im going to speak” so everytime someone said bookaye
everybody else had to scream aiiiiiiii then ejjjjjjjjjj…….it was a fuken
trip………u are sitting there triping and sudenly u hear this loud
scream…BOOKAYE…….and everybody goes AIIIIIIIIIII
,,,,,,,,,,,,EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY then when u done talking u say bookaye again
and everybody answeres aiiiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjjjjj

this was amazing way to unify everybody, so everybody is on the same page

also out of nowhere mallendi would scream BOOKAYE just to get everybody
together and everybody again aiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjj

hard to explian but very intense

i didnt reach that stage when i got all the answeres that everybody else
got……..mallendi said i had some blockage (maybe some heroin still in me)
but he said no matter how much iboga i would eat i would never reach that
stage that night

alrightr

many other amazing things happend but will relate them later

tomorow im going back there to be with my friend who will be doing iboga for
his addiction…….will propably do some iboga just to stay awake and help
out with the enrgy

love

matt

________________________________
From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] initiation in france
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:34:16 +1300

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

Welcome back to this reality muhahahahahah

Thanks for letting me know you’re ok :o) really really appreciate it!!! Xxx

Looking wayyy forward to hearing about your journey :o) ;o)

Looking even forwarder to mine. Arrghhhhhh frustration time sux lol

Love you heaps n heaps was sending you protection xxx

Kirk xxx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] initiation in france

im in france and done the initation with mallendi

trippy shit

lots of puking but a trip and a half

best part was staring in the miror and watching ur face disapear and another
reality opening up

will write more when bck in canada on the 3rd

love

matt

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] guatemala, ketamine and !b0 + new PIC!
Date: January 28, 2006 at 9:20:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahah excellent photo!!! Lol
Cannae help ewe wif the other though….

—–Original Message—–
From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com [mailto:nruhtra@dsskcorp.com]
Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2006 1:55 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: crashtestdummies@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] guatemala, ketamine and !b0 + new PIC!

hEy k!dz
ill be back in guatemala on the 7th for fUrthUr braIn eXploration via my
dear friend Kay.

Kay, you know her.. ketamine.

thing is.. feb is my one year anniversary of kicking the H-BOMB so i
wanted to do sum !B0 anywaze and i be wondering if this is possible.
anyone know where i can obtain it down there. dont tell me to go to the
middle of the jungle cause when i was in guate last november i spent way
too long in the jungle and started to fantize about killing people and
small things. this was not good.

tell me there is ibo in guate and tell me someone will spike my drink with
it.

kthxbilol

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

ps – here is the latest pic of myself. now ladies… one at a time pls.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] more thoughts about the initation with mallendi
Date: January 28, 2006 at 3:49:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

well im in chamonix and enjoying the scenery
recolecting my thoughts/visions from my iboga experince
there is a huge diffrnce between pure iboga and the hcl….the experience is much more smoother
the music, the athmoshere, the chants make a huge difference
there were 17 of us who were having the initation and 10 people who were holding the nergy
its intense and hard on the body/mind………..eat and puke-visions….eat and puke —-visions…….and continue this for two nights……..
the second night they painted all our faces white while they painted/dressed themsevles in beatuiful colors/custumes——–the energy was out of this world
gave us a mirror and the real journy began
it was tripy to watch ur face in the mirror all fucked up with comatose eyes and witnesing everything disapear and other dimensions opening up………..
the visions in the mirror are much more intense than the visions i had while my eyes were closed
i spend most of time in africa undergoing different initations
the initation was done with as much proximity to the real initation in africa
of course there were many parts missing but we still danced sang and had a good time
tripy part was when u wnated to talk you had to say bookaye which means something like “im going to speak” so everytime someone said bookaye everybody else had to scream aiiiiiiii then ejjjjjjjjjj…….it was a fuken trip………u are sitting there triping and sudenly u hear this loud scream…BOOKAYE…….and everybody goes AIIIIIIIIIII ,,,,,,,,,,,,EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY then when u done talking u say bookaye again and everybody answeres aiiiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjjjjj
this was amazing way to unify everybody, so everybody is on the same page
also out of nowhere mallendi would scream BOOKAYE just to get everybody together and everybody again aiiiiiii ejjjjjjjjj
hard to explian but very intense
i didnt reach that stage when i got all the answeres that everybody else got……..mallendi said i had some blockage (maybe some heroin still in me) but he said no matter how much iboga i would eat i would never reach that stage that night
alrightr
many other amazing things happend but will relate them later
tomorow im going back there to be with my friend who will be doing iboga for his addiction…….will propably do some iboga just to stay awake and help out with the enrgy
love
matt

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] initiation in france
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:34:16 +1300

WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Welcome back to this reality muhahahahahah
Thanks for letting me know youre ok :o) really really appreciate it!!! Xxx
Looking wayyy forward to hearing about your journey :o) ;o)
Looking even forwarder to mine. Arrghhhhhh frustration time sux lol
Love you heaps n heaps was sending you protection xxx
Kirk xxx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]  Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:09 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] initiation in france

hi
im in france and done the initation with mallendi
trippy shit
lots of puking but a trip and a half
best part was staring in the miror and watching ur face disapear and another reality opening up
will write more when bck in canada on the 3rd
love
matt

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] guatemala, ketamine and !b0 + new PIC!
Date: January 28, 2006 at 9:30:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wooooohoooooo!!!!!!
callie

From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] guatemala, ketamine and !b0 + new PIC!
Date: January 28, 2006 at 7:54:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: crashtestdummies@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hEy k!dz
ill be back in guatemala on the 7th for fUrthUr braIn eXploration via my
dear friend Kay.

Kay, you know her.. ketamine.

tell me there is ibo in guate and tell me someone will spike my drink with
it.

kthxbilol

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

ps – here is the latest pic of myself. now ladies… one at a time pls.
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Disembodied Spacesuit set to orbit Earth
Date: January 28, 2006 at 10:48:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

break out the ham radios!!

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Date: Jan 26, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Disembodied Spacesuit set to orbit Earth
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NASA Science News for January 26, 2006

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“SuitSat,” an empty spacesuit thrown overboard from the International
Space Station. Using a simple police scanner or ham radio, you can
listen to SuitSat when it orbits over your hometown.

FULL STORY at

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 28, 2006 at 9:48:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What the hell? Somebody get the crossbar outta this guys ass before
he spontaneously combusts!! Oh, wait…sounds as though he might
enjoy it..

On 1/26/06, GEORGE ORWELL jr <generic3@shaw.ca> wrote:
FUCK OFF U COCK SUCLING FSAGGOT ASSHOLE LICKING PULKE DON”T EMAIL MWE again
or i will fuk u
good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

HEY PRESTON!!!!
15 days is no small potatoes in NYC….kudos to you and your hanging
in there. Glad to hear you and V are well, and I’ll do my little
“Preston needs his passport’ boogie woogie voodoo dance for ya. Don’t
know if it’ll help, but can it hurt? (Only if i’m seen doing it..)
love to you
tink

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

I don’t know Ron, I have heard anything as regards homeland security and
the passport application, but someone on another list just noted that I
am
probably flagged somewhere, that the State Department may think I’m
planning on going to protest the US war or something. Now that I still
haven’t seen a passport yet was told the hold was listed at 2:20 PM on
Thursday and that the OVERNIGHT Delivery I’d just paid over the phone
that
morning would insure that the passport would be getting to me in time to
leave according to my “Friday” travel plans – in oh, 24 hours, right? –
still hasn’t arrived and I can’t call ’til tomorrow to see what the hold
up
is, I’m still up in the air as to my plans, and getting suspicious that I
am flagged for real. Now, wouldn’t that be interesting, that because I’m
a
“real” writer, the State Department/US Gov. doesn’t want to admit that’s
the case, so is groping for alternative reasons to deny me a passport?
Because they don’t want me to write up a nifty litle article about being
blacklisted? I don’t think that’s really the case, but still, I think I’d
ALMOST be honored to be on a list like that, but not so much that it
would
relieve the irritation and angst I’m feeling over getting this constant
run-around.
BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well
within my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all.
That’s still not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as
was amply demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close
to me who merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I
wasn’t, which only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing
well, and plan on continuing to stay in this space of “doing well” NO
MATTER WHAT happens, so am acknowleging publically that I’m sticking to
my
guns and staying away from the self-destructive patterns I’ve willingly
entered so many times in my life- I’m finished with that life. I
feel…ah, hell, why am I bothering with this?
Suffice it to say, as noted, here I sit, still in NYC without a
freakin’ passport (but amazingly still with my girlfriend- which leads
me
to wonder if there really are “powers that be” helping us get through
this) while wondering if I’m on a government “we hate that guy” list or
other, but keeping myself out of trouble to the very best of my
abilities.
Egad.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

What do you hear about this passport biz and our Homeland Security>
Mine’s due to expire soon and I’m afraid to send it in . Thanks, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences
with
ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round
very
soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes
some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport
Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in
the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these
reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit
differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the
same
substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very
interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the
results
that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same
way
I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice
said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to
call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla
ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because
here
it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or
that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does
work
to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of
addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much
cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s
either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I,
a
seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of
powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and
psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no
thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of
Oblivion:
A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding
throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come
over
right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any
longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over
the
side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before
into
the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a
good
job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you
shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave
miserably
into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out
with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a
vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to
Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show,
taking
all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be
leaving
a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not
mean
to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate
from
beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from
Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10
years
this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only
grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad
aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got
caught
up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know
what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that
ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of
them.
Guy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Mopane
Date: January 28, 2006 at 9:25:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thankyoux3…
tink

On 1/26/06, Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/colomopane.htm

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 27, 2006 at 5:41:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Whats up with u George?
That’s a bit harsh don’t you think?
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: 27 January 2006 01:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

FUCK OFF U COCK SUCLING FSAGGOT ASSHOLE LICKING PULKE DON”T EMAIL MWE again
or i will fuk u
good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

a
seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of
powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and
psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no
thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 28, 2006 at 12:39:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ayahuasca is a cechua word, before the conquistadors a major language in the Andes,
Aya = death, huasca = vine, so vine of the death..

Henk

jon wrote:
Luke Christoffersen

Hi All,
I’ve always wondered how ayahuasca is pronounced? Any know?

as far as i know, it’s pronounced something like EYE-uh-HWAH-scuh…

anyone have any idea where the word comes from? is it spanish or from a
native american language?

—
Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama.

Lost and Free Enterprises

http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav

http://www.geocities.com/knehnav55/

From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 27, 2006 at 2:21:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luke Christoffersen
Hi All,
I’ve always wondered how ayahuasca is pronounced? Any know?

as far as i know, it’s pronounced something like EYE-uh-HWAH-scuh…

anyone have any idea where the word comes from? is it spanish or from a
native american language?

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: this suboxone crap.. info required..
Date: January 27, 2006 at 4:45:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for that Jon, I’m not actually considering going on it or anything,
the methadone is doing it’s thing for me.. then I am doing Ibogaine in Feb I
had just heard so much negative about it and they’re introducing it here
this year…..
but yeh thx for your take on it…. I guess how miserable one is during
detox can depend on state of mind as well.. would be interesting to note
that with those that found it hard…
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: jon [mailto:jfreed1@umbc.edu]
Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2006 8:59 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: this suboxone crap.. info required..

Kirk
I think it’s either the Sub, or the Bupe that is being considered as a
treatment here.. so is there any decent, “professional” looking
information
about how crap it is I could pass on to the drug clinic here? Could save
a
few people if they have all the information….

The reserach on bupe generally portrays it quite positively. I did a
literature review on meth and bupe a few months ago, and I really didn’t
find much of anything negative written about it.

As far as what I’ve heard from people who’ve actually taken it as a
substituation therapy, it’s been a mixed bag. Some people do very well on
it, I’ve heard people call it a lifesaver and say their withdrawal from it
wasn’t anything major. A somewhat smaller proportion have reported next to
no negative effects at all, even during withdrawal.

I’ve also heard people say they were miserable on it and that withdrawal
from it was hell. Though I’ve never seen such experiences reported in the
scientific literature and I don’t really have a good explanation as to why
that is. It could be that people who react badly to bupe are a minority,
which is what I suspect, but then it could also be due to bias on the part
of the researchers, or because there’s a lot less research on bupe than
there is on methadone.

So…uhh.. I guess in summation I’d say that if you feel as though you’d
benefit from substution therapy, bupe might be worth a shot (no pun
intended…ehe). That is, I wouldn’t let people’s horror stories about it
scare you aware from it, as it seems to be well tolerated by most people.

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 27, 2006 at 2:38:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks dude, I wasn’t too far off.

On 1/27/06, Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
eye uh wos kuh

Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I’ve always wondered how ayahuasca is pronounced? Any know?

Thanks
Luke

On 1/25/06, Henk wrote:
Suppose it is ayahuasca, not from africa , but south america.
Check the web, there is plenty of info.

Henk

Frantiek Hrd wrote:

Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be
some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It
heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake
inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake.
???

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From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: this suboxone crap.. info required..
Date: January 27, 2006 at 2:59:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The reserach on bupe generally portrays it quite positively. I did a
literature review on meth and bupe a few months ago, and I really didn’t
find much of anything negative written about it.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 27, 2006 at 6:46:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/26/06 11:56:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

so when are you investing in a mac yourself, there, country boy?
i’ll GIVE you my garageband
. OK how much? No, I’m kiddin’, girl you need your computer!!! We have plans, remember?? I’ll get in touch when I get back down to the bluegrass state. Love, light, and rock and roll Randy

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 27, 2006 at 5:42:09 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ps Great spelling George!!!

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: 27 January 2006 01:17
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 27, 2006 at 12:54:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh gee, Don we can’t have you getting sexually excited, it’s not good for your blood pleasure… um pressure.. um…. Ohh what the hell, get right off on it~!!!!! Ya only live once!!!
jheheheheh
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]  Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 5:59 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Yeah, he was giving me a boner  Kirk wrote:
Ok follow these simple instructions so we don’t have to put up with your
psychotic shit.
Send a blank email to ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

OK? Got it?? Good now fuck off.

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 12:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:59:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, he was giving me a boner

Kirk wrote:
Ok follow these simple instructions so we don’t have to put up with your
psychotic shit.
Send a blank email to ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

OK? Got it?? Good now fuck off.

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 12:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:56:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Uh, that doesn’t work.If we can help you unsubscribe, just ask. When sanity returns, if ever.

GEORGE ORWELL jr wrote:

FUCK OFF U COCK SUCLING FSAGGOT ASSHOLE LICKING PULKE DON”T EMAIL MWE again or i will fuk u good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

>I don’t know Ron, I have heard anything as regards homeland security and
>the passport application, but someone on another list just noted that I >am
>probably flagged somewhere, that the State Department may think I’m
>planning on going to protest the US war or something. Now that I still
>haven’t seen a passport yet was told the hold was listed at 2:20 PM on
>Thursday and that the OVERNIGHT Delivery I’d just paid over the phone >that
>morning would insure that the passport would be getting to me in time to
>leave according to my “Friday” travel plans – in oh, 24 hours, right? –
>still hasn’t arrived and I can’t call ’til tomorrow to see what the hold >up
>is, I’m still up in the air as to my plans, and getting suspicious that I
>am flagged for real. Now, wouldn’t that be interesting, that because I’m >a
>”real” writer, the State Department/US Gov. doesn’t want to admit that’s
>the case, so is groping for alternative reasons to deny me a passport?
>Because they don’t want me to write up a nifty litle article about being
>blacklisted? I don’t think that’s really the case, but still, I think I’d
>ALMOST be honored to be on a list like that, but not so much that it >would
>relieve the irritation and angst I’m feeling over getting this constant
>run-around.
>    BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well
> within my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all.
> That’s still not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as
> was amply demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close
> to me who merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I
> wasn’t, which only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing
> well, and plan on continuing to stay in this space of “doing well” NO
> MATTER WHAT happens, so am acknowleging publically that I’m sticking to > my
> guns and staying away from the self-destructive patterns I’ve willingly
> entered so many times in my life- I’m finished with that life. I
> feel…ah, hell, why am I bothering with this?
>    Suffice it to say, as noted, here I sit, still in NYC without a
> freakin’ passport (but amazingly still with my girlfriend- which leads > me
> to wonder if there really are “powers that be” helping us get through
> this) while wondering if I’m on a government “we hate that guy” list or
> other, but keeping myself out of trouble to the very best of my > abilities.
> Egad.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
>
>
>> What do you hear about this passport biz and our Homeland Security>
>> Mine’s due to expire soon and I’m afraid to send it in . Thanks, ron
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it
>>
>>
>>> Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and >>> I
>>> just want to know what I’m in for.<
>>>
>>> Hi Guy,
>>> Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences >>> with
>>> ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round >>> very
>>> soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes
>>> some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport
>>> Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in
>>> the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these
>>> reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit
>>> differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the >>> same
>>> substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very
>>> interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the >>> results
>>> that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same >>> way
>>> I have.
>>>    But best of luck on your early February date.
>>>
>>> http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm
>>>
>>> Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
>>> Taking the Left Hand Path
>>> By Preston Peet
>>>
>>> “Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice
>>> said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to
>>> call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla
>>> ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
>>> Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because >>> here
>>> it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or
>>> that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does >>> work
>>> to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of
>>> addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much
>>> cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s
>>> either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, >>> a
>>> seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of
>>> powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and
>>> psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no
>>> thank you”?
>>> snip-
>>>
>>> —–
>>>
>>> http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm
>>>
>>> Taking the Left Hand Path.
>>> Again
>>> By
>>> Preston Peet
>>> posted at DrugWar.com
>>> April 19, 2005
>>> (Remember Waco!)
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is >>> often
>>> mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of >>> Oblivion:
>>> A Global History of Narcotics
>>> “Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding
>>> throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come >>> over
>>> right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any
>>> longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over >>> the
>>> side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before >>> into
>>> the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a >>> good
>>> job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you
>>> shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave >>> miserably
>>> into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
>>> The Reason and Rhyme This Time
>>> The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out
>>> with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a
>>> vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to
>>> Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, >>> taking
>>> all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be >>> leaving
>>> a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
>>> snip-
>>>
>>> Peace and love,
>>> Preston
>>>
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is >>> often
>>> mistaken for madness”
>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>
>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient >>> Civilizations,
>>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> —– Original Message —–
>>> From: Guy Bragge
>>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
>>> Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not >>> mean
>>> to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate >>> from
>>> beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from
>>> Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 >>> years
>>> this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only
>>> grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad
>>> aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got >>> caught
>>> up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
>>> I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know
>>> what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that
>>> ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of >>> them.
>>> Guy
>>>
>>>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:49:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok follow these simple instructions so we don’t have to put up with your
psychotic shit.
Send a blank email to ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

OK? Got it?? Good now fuck off.

—–Original Message—–
From: GEORGE ORWELL jr [mailto:generic3@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 12:17 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and
I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

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From: GEORGE ORWELL jr <generic3@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:17:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

FUCK OFF U COCK SUCLING FSAGGOT ASSHOLE LICKING PULKE DON”T EMAIL MWE again or i will fuk u good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 26, 2006 at 8:17:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

eye uh wos kuh

Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I’ve always wondered how ayahuasca is pronounced? Any know?

Thanks
Luke

On 1/25/06, Henk wrote:
> Suppose it is ayahuasca, not from africa , but south america.
> Check the web, there is plenty of info.
>
> Henk
>
>
>
>
> Frantiï¿½ek Hrdï¿½ wrote:
>
> >Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake. ???
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> —
> Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama.
>
> Lost and Free Enterprises
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav
>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:21:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think we got a live one here don’t we? Hello out there George, have you
had your MEDICATION TODAY??? Best ye go take it there’s a good lad “wink”
lol

people who keep insisting that they are particularly sane freak me the
fuck out. i don’t know ANYONE sane…
“specially me and you, kirk
LOLOLOLOLOLOLROFLMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tink

On 1/20/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LET THE INSANITY GOOD TIMES ROLL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

IT’S ALL NUTZ!!!!

Yours forever crazy as a …….something that’s reallyreally fucking
lost
it hahahahahahahaha

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time,
rwd3@cox.net
writes:

Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not
responsible, and insane

Disagree with you big time Don! Ron can write and discuss but Ron is also

a
junkie, false, scary, not responsible and insane. Koko is an imaginary
character, not any part of him is Ron because he is not real!!!!

I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!

Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but
every
post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!

Callie

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine music
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:19:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Met a guy last night who used to be into tripping in his younger days…he’s
got a Native American Indian Peyote tripping music CD and is going to give
me a copy. Poifect!!! Haven’t heard it yet.. but it sounds right up my
alley, I get goosebumps and a lump in my throat when I hear hide drums,
flutes n chanting like is on this CD. Could be useful…
Anyway.. back to the massacre of my Macrocarpa hedge atop a wobbly wooden
stool LOL.
Koik

From: GEORGE ORWELL jr <generic3@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:17:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

fuk off and die u COAKCUKN PRICK LIKTRF
—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

people who keep insisting that they are particularly sane freak me the
fuck out. i don’t know ANYONE sane…
“specially me and you, kirk
LOLOLOLOLOLOLROFLMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tink

On 1/20/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LET THE INSANITY GOOD TIMES ROLL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

IT’S ALL NUTZ!!!!

Yours forever crazy as a ……………..something that’s reallyreally fucking lost
it hahahahahahahaha

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not
responsible, and insane

I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!

Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but every
post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!

Callie

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 4:28:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sounds good. hope you´ll produce an ibogaine song and put the mp3 online =)

Am 26.01.2006 um 21:58 schrieb shakti@photon.net:

Hi ekki,

I’m probably going to buy a used G5 that will work with Cubase SX just
fine from people I know that will be buying the new intel one 😉

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:30:10 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 1/25/06, Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:

Hey Shelly thanks for that ,just what I needed to hear. We are waiting for
some ibogaine to arrive so it looks like it will be around 10 feb.

Guy

________________________________

From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: 24 January 2006 17:14
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:

Hey Ron,

Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite a
lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who
facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I
will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am
quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up
for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very seldom,
nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.

guy

________________________________

From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy:

One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While
they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are
doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way.
they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which
requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources
at its disposal which proved to b e invaluable. it’s not party time, unless
you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life /
death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug,
length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors,
also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and
then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat,
but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a
layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different
reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to
pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many
m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who
differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from.
stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly
cou ntry , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the
product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws.
many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind.
there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i
live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical
model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a
long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this
all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as
stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to
contribute. ron

—– Original Message —–

From: Guy Bragge

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

< div class=MsoNormal>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM

Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we say
in South Africa.

Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you have
to go to?

Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesn’t make some big company loads
of cash then ban it.!!

Guy

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: this suboxone crap.. info required..
Date: January 26, 2006 at 5:03:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it’s either the Sub, or the Bupe that is being considered as a
treatment here.. so is there any decent, “professional” looking information
about how crap it is I could pass on to the drug clinic here? Could save a
few people if they have all the information….
Thx
Koiky

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 7:00 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment( brenda)(OT)

Brenda-
go to smalldog.com and ask about macs there- they rule!! I got an
ibook (refurbed onsight) for $4-600,all software included, and when it
was destroyed by my friend’s son, rottweiler and a long flight of
cement stairs, they gave a brandy-spankin’ new one…
back to ibotopics…
as a third time iboganaut, I’ve had al sorts of different trips, but
it’s always good tpo hear about others. I’ve been mia for a while,
but it’s nice to see new people on the list.

Grasshopper-
I did the exact same thing with the suboxone and oxy’s. Fuckin’ yuck.
I had to go on a morphine bender this past summer, which helped
NOTHING!!, but am now clean again, thanks to ibo and the underground
(who rock the fuck out). I think that the amount of long acting
opiates, especially the bupe (which was a bazillion times worse to get
off of than methadone), might take away from the over all effect of
the spiritual side of the ibo trreatment. It wasn’t until i had the
last experience that i got the cosmic smack in the face i needed, and
it was me coming off of a hell of a lot less of the opiates than ever
before ( vicoden and morphine thanks to carpal tunnel-did i mention
i’m currently a sous chef? owwww..). Well, anyway, that’s how it
worked for me…
Hang in there. It took me 3 treatments to finally get it, but i did.
i think.. ;]
love to you
tink
On 1/20/06, grasshopper <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Brenda. I had a 3-4 day session last summer. I was
left
unaddicted but as stated b/4, had the hell beat out of me physically when
it
was over. I was doing bup, switched to oxys for 2 weeks b/c i couldn’t
find
any short acting opiates in the bible belt. My profession limits where I
can go to search these things out and my job limits how long I can take
off
work. My 55 yr. old body was recovering from full blown open tendon
surgery
which wore me down and i had just lost my father after going thru a 2 week
death penalty case. Saved my client but couldn’t save my ass and relapsed
on the bup(wolf in sheep’s clothing). I needed it just to get the
strength
to crawl out of bed to go to work. Since then it’s been the typical
spiral
downward, mortgaged to the hilt, dodging bullets here and in the world.
Damn sorry about the clown biz. No kidding, I’ve never hit a more
sensitive
nerve w/ so many people for so many diverse reasons. The old guy groping
me
under the pancake makeup never got to 1st base and I have always viewed it
as one of life’s little side trips. I’ve 12 stepped w/ 15yrs. of
sobriety,
IBO’d and seen the miraculous detox powers of the drug and thoroughly
cooked
every receptor in what’s left of my brain. I am amazed I can handle
complex
litigation w/ whiz kids from Ivy League schools, that I survived prison in
my younger days and good people like you embrace me hesitantly to help me
one mo’ time. I’m a cynic which turns most off, including me, but I’m
inching along. I envy Nick who gets carte blanche w/ this remarkable
plant
and can get it as long as his wallet will open.. The forum has
introduced
me to some very kind, gentle professionals that have gone the extra step
to
help me save my smart mouthed ass.The same can be said for regular junkies
like myself. I’ll be the 1st to say I need to read more and hold off on
the
rants . Predictable apologies for all bad forum behavior and being the
perpetual downer I’ve become to be known as in these parts of the woods.
ron —– Original Message —–
From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment (Ron)

Hi Ron and all,

I’m wanted to share with you that my Ibogaine experience plucked some
very
painful memories from my mind and they are GONE. I’m not saying this is
what you need or that Ibogaine will do the same for you but it is a
possibility. As they say, Ibogaine will work with whatever you are
ready
for.

It would be nice to see you go for it.

“Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back,
always
ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there
is
one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would
never
otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the
decision,
raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings
and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his
way. I have learned a deep respect for one of Goethe’s couplets:
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. ”

— W.H. Murray, The Scottish Himalayan Expedition

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment( brenda)(OT)
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:59:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Grasshopper-
I did the exact same thing with the suboxone and oxy’s. Fuckin’ yuck.
I had to go on a morphine bender this past summer, which helped
NOTHING!!, but am now clean again, thanks to ibo and the underground
(who rock the fuck out). I think that the amount of long acting
opiates, especially the bupe (which was a bazillion times worse to get
off of than methadone), might take away from the over all effect of
the spiritual side of the ibo trreatment. It wasn’t until i had the
last experience that i got the cosmic smack in the face i needed, and
it was me coming off of a hell of a lot less of the opiates than ever
before ( vicoden and morphine thanks to carpal tunnel-did i mention
i’m currently a sous chef? owwww..). Well, anyway, that’s how it
worked for me…
Hang in there. It took me 3 treatments to finally get it, but i did.
i think.. ;]
love to you
tink
On 1/20/06, grasshopper <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
Thanks for sharing Brenda. I had a 3-4 day session last summer. I was left
unaddicted but as stated b/4, had the hell beat out of me physically when it
was over. I was doing bup, switched to oxys for 2 weeks b/c i couldn’t find
any short acting opiates in the bible belt. My profession limits where I
can go to search these things out and my job limits how long I can take off
work. My 55 yr. old body was recovering from full blown open tendon surgery
which wore me down and i had just lost my father after going thru a 2 week
death penalty case. Saved my client but couldn’t save my ass and relapsed
on the bup(wolf in sheep’s clothing). I needed it just to get the strength
to crawl out of bed to go to work. Since then it’s been the typical spiral
downward, mortgaged to the hilt, dodging bullets here and in the world.
Damn sorry about the clown biz. No kidding, I’ve never hit a more sensitive
nerve w/ so many people for so many diverse reasons. The old guy groping me
under the pancake makeup never got to 1st base and I have always viewed it
as one of life’s little side trips. I’ve 12 stepped w/ 15yrs. of sobriety,
IBO’d and seen the miraculous detox powers of the drug and thoroughly cooked
every receptor in what’s left of my brain. I am amazed I can handle complex
litigation w/ whiz kids from Ivy League schools, that I survived prison in
my younger days and good people like you embrace me hesitantly to help me
one mo’ time. I’m a cynic which turns most off, including me, but I’m
inching along. I envy Nick who gets carte blanche w/ this remarkable plant
and can get it as long as his wallet will open.. The forum has introduced
me to some very kind, gentle professionals that have gone the extra step to
help me save my smart mouthed ass.The same can be said for regular junkies
like myself. I’ll be the 1st to say I need to read more and hold off on the
rants . Predictable apologies for all bad forum behavior and being the
perpetual downer I’ve become to be known as in these parts of the woods.
ron —– Original Message —–
From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment (Ron)

Hi Ron and all,

I’m wanted to share with you that my Ibogaine experience plucked some very
painful memories from my mind and they are GONE. I’m not saying this is
what you need or that Ibogaine will do the same for you but it is a
possibility. As they say, Ibogaine will work with whatever you are ready
for.

It would be nice to see you go for it.

“Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back,
always
ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there is
one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would
never
otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the
decision,
raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his
way. I have learned a deep respect for one of Goethe’s couplets:
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. ”

— W.H. Murray, The Scottish Himalayan Expedition

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 4:00:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

this one went thorugh instantly…

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:57:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi tink,

i already have 2 powerbooks – i just want a G5 with dual processors for a
desktop workstation now for higher end audio work. I love Cubase. I’m
also looking into Logic Pro since that’s what most of the deep house
producers I know and it sounds very nice and clean. But I still love
Cubase.

But, I don’t have to think about that right now 😉

brenda

so when are you investing in a mac yourself, there, country boy?
i’ll GIVE you my garageband,etc….
tinkiewinkie

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 26, 2006 at 3:11:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi All,
I’ve always wondered how ayahuasca is pronounced? Any know?

Thanks
Luke

On 1/25/06, Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Suppose it is ayahuasca, not from africa , but south america.
Check the web, there is plenty of info.

Henk

František Hrdý wrote:

Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake. ???

—
Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama.

Lost and Free Enterprises

http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav

http://www.geocities.com/knehnav55/

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Mopane
Date: January 26, 2006 at 1:24:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantcd/colomopane.htm

Bring words and photos together (easily) with
PhotoMail – it’s free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 3:58:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ekki,

I’m probably going to buy a used G5 that will work with Cubase SX just
fine from people I know that will be buying the new intel one 😉 I’m
mostly wanted to see Logic Pro and play with it some more, as well as
check out the new units, but I wasn’t in the mood.

I’m still getting emails since there is a several hour delay at times
between photon.net and mindvox.com – never had that happen before – I’ve
had this email address for over 10 years.

brenda 🙂

Brenda, how about the new macs with intel? but cubase, logic and other
audioapps are not ported yet i believe. i´d wait a bit until everything
runs smooth with the new intels instead of getting an expensive dual G5
now which might be outdated soon.

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 3:47:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda, how about the new macs with intel? but cubase, logic and other audioapps are not ported yet i believe. i´d wait a bit until everything runs smooth with the new intels instead of getting an expensive dual G5 now which might be outdated soon.

Am 26.01.2006 um 19:12 schrieb shakti@photon.net:

hi tink,

But, I don’t have to think about that right now 😉 Bye y’all!

brenda

so when are you investing in a mac yourself, there, country boy?
i’ll GIVE you my garageband,etc….
tinkiewinkie

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT: Tink and her vibrator.
Date: January 26, 2006 at 3:01:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Look of complete shock and innocence on my angelic face. I’m offended.
(rolling on the floor laughing her virginal ass off.)

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 4:37 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

Hi jasen-
long time, no type…
I’m about two weeks out from my third treatment (yipes), and still
have an abundance of weird vibratory things happening (get your mind
out of the gutter, Kirkie), and have noticed that after each time I’ve
done his stuff, I’ve been reset to some sort of backwards circadian
rhythms (I can’t sleep at night, and am almost defunct the second the
sun rises…more than residual lack of sleep from iboga). It’s like I
can’t move until It’s dark. Hmmmm….
love tink

On 1/21/06, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.

As we know all of life is vibrating, moving at different
speeds,”the rock is moving”, the higher the speed of vibration
the more solid an object is. I was made light by the change of frequency
of vibration,..allowed me to re-member with the all as many of
us have experienced.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before
iboga).

I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life, or
God.

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 1:12:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi tink,

But, I don’t have to think about that right now 😉 Bye y’all!

brenda

so when are you investing in a mac yourself, there, country boy?
i’ll GIVE you my garageband,etc….
tinkiewinkie

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to the netherlands
Date: January 26, 2006 at 1:22:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Good Luck!!! Sara is good people, she helped free me… No worries, she knows what to do… 😉

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Did I already post that I’m leaving today for Sara’s? I might have
actually, come to think of it, last night in my reply to Ron’s questions.
But, If not, I’m leaving tonight for Sara’s and will be away from my home
email for a little over 2 weeks, coming home February 12, a Sunday, the day
before that month’s full moon actually.
;-))
Wish me luck, and same to everyone here. Be nice to each other, polite
and supportive, please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] what about mopane leaves???
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:16:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was watching this thing on the Himba tribe in Africa, and they use
the leaves of the mopane tree to help them better communicate with
their ancesters during certain ceremonies, as well as a healing for
everything from curses and witchcraft to internal bleeding and
circumcision.
Anyone know what sort of plant this is??
Thanks
tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] me, my issues, and post iboga tattoos
Date: January 26, 2006 at 1:07:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

TATTOOS SAVE LIVES!!!!
happy trail(ers)
love tink

On 1/26/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
As a sort of end of an era maneuver, I went to the local tattoo
aficionado and got my neck done.<

LOL, I’ve done that more than once Tink, believe you me, getting a tat right
after ibo voyaging. It’s a reference point, a cathartic release for me to do
so, to mark it on my body in a creative artistic fashion as opposed to just
marking myself with tracks and scabs.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] me, my issues, and post iboga tattoos

Hello to all from the frozen tundra of the north eastern seaboard.
having very limited internet access is killing me, but i will be
popping in and out as I can, so there. So, is there going to a
conference or not, and are you okay, Dana?
I’ve joined an IOP that will force me into 18 hours of therapy a week
for 6 weeks, which will coincide with my surgery, and is conveniently
located downstairs from my surgeon’s, so here’s hoping I can resist
the temptation of working the script scene. Not thrilled about it,
but not upset either, as I have a sudden need to fill all of my time
with anything but sci fi channel, brownies and copious amounts of
weed. Besides, for those of you who know me, i probably could
desperately use the 18 hours of therapy weekly… ;]
As a sort of end of an era maneuver, I went to the local tattoo
aficionado and got my neck done. A tattoo gun pierces the flesh
approx. 5000 times per minute, so if you do the math for a 90 minute
tattoo, that’s about 450,000 needle pokes, which used to be a
particularly fucked up weekend in Miami. Each time this tattooist
stopped and restarted, i’d take a deep breath and start up with my
“the only needles going into your body again will carry ink, you
blithering idiot!!” mantra. I was giggling by the time the poor
befuddled guy finished, and he was eyeballing me warily (probably
wondering whether or not i was going to pay him in the midst of this
apparent psychotic break). I felt freed of something by the time it
was all finished.
Someone suggested i do some sort of ritualistic thing at the end of my
last treatment, and, though I know not everyone is tattoo-friendly,
it’s certainly helped me put some closure to a few things.
Love and light to all, and i’ll keep a candle burning for all of you
about to trip the light fantastic.
travel well and deeply-
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] me, my issues, and post iboga tattoos
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:11:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As a sort of end of an era maneuver, I went to the local tattoo
aficionado and got my neck done.<

LOL, I’ve done that more than once Tink, believe you me, getting a tat right after ibo voyaging. It’s a reference point, a cathartic release for me to do so, to mark it on my body in a creative artistic fashion as opposed to just marking myself with tracks and scabs.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] me, my issues, and post iboga tattoos

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] to the netherlands
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:44:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll keep a candle lit for you, and am sending every ounce of love I
can muster…
travel well, and give sara a big hug for me!!!
love
tink

On 1/26/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Did I already post that I’m leaving today for Sara’s? I might have
actually, come to think of it, last night in my reply to Ron’s questions.
But, If not, I’m leaving tonight for Sara’s and will be away from my home
email for a little over 2 weeks, coming home February 12, a Sunday, the day
before that month’s full moon actually.
;-))
Wish me luck, and same to everyone here. Be nice to each other, polite
and supportive, please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] POV post treatment from tink
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:48:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was trying to rescue something that i think i deleted and came
across this, and as a shameless writer, felt compelled to send it all
to you.
Enjoy?

19 January 2006

I am in the midst of a bout of regret, which has manifested itself in
the scars I carry on my body. The need to forget where I have been
can be quite strong, but the reality of the scars will not let it go.
There is a temptation to glorify my track marks, but the severity of
the damage done to my legs alone is an embarrassment I’ll not soon get
over. I am sick of being asked why I won’t wear shorts in summer, why
I won’t let even the one with whom I am intimate see me. I still feel
the stigma of being an addict at every turn, whether real or imagined,
and it is a dangerous ideology to carry around.
Being a master of manipulation, as we all are as addicts, I am capable
of hiding my past to the point where even I begin to believe it, but
it doesn’t change the fact that there is a huge part of me that wants
to scream out to all who will listen where I’ve been, and how far I’ve
come. I tried the honesty approach, but found that the veil that
covers the eyes of those that haven’t been there descends quickly and
permanently, and the stigma remains, perhaps all the more painful for
the attempted explanation.
Hannibal Lechter states, “scars remind us that the past is real” in
“Silence of the Lambs”, and how true I find this. It’s just an awful
lot of past to be reminded of sometimes, and the overwhelming need to
free myself from all of the shit I carry around in my heart can cause
a great deal of depression, which invariably leads to very poor
decision making, verging on the suicidal need to relapse over and
again.
After my last flight into Bwiti-ville, I found some explanations, and
gained a lot of insight into my behavior that I hope will help me to
fight these urges. I do NOT have another recovery in me. I know that
I stand on the brink of excellence and success, or a very fast descent
back into my hell. It is a huge responsibility to undertake,
recognizing the fault and defects of character that consume me. I
know that I have the brains and the drive to accomplish anything that
I want to, and I sometimes think that that’s what keeps me stuck in my
little cycle of self -destruction. Fear of success. Go figure. I
slip back into the comforts of a world that I’ve lived in for so long
that I have no other way to function. As unpredictable as the life of
an addict can be, the surprises are not so unexpected. The results
are almost always the same. I know what to do when I’m dope sick and
broke. I don’t know what to do when I’m not strung out and living a
relatively normal life. It’s absurd, when I think about it, that I
have so often chosen the chaos and danger of life on the street when
given the opportunity to actually create a good and stable environment
for myself. Well, isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same
thing over and over again, but expecting different results? I am
sooooooooo insane sometimes…but aren’t we all, just a little bit?
Now, how to let go of all the demons. Maybe I should just stop
believing in them and they’ll go away, but I doubt that that’s the way
it works. I’ve tried befriending them, but that always ends up in
hasty trips to bad parts of town with money that I have undoubtedly
pilfered from some poor soul that will be left waiting and clock
watching, hoping that I come back with at least their car intact.
I feel like a walking contradiction at every turn. I am not a bad
person. Contrarily, I tend to be generous and loving, but have a hell
of a time not taking advantage of certain situations as they present
themselves. I am part predator, part nursemaid, part angel, and all
chameleon. I suppose it all comes down to intent, but that and fifty
cents will get you a phone call to no one who cares…
Surrender. But how

As an aside, I now have a therapist…
;]
love to all
tink

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] to the netherlands
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:00:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Did I already post that I’m leaving today for Sara’s? I might have actually, come to think of it, last night in my reply to Ron’s questions. But, If not, I’m leaving tonight for Sara’s and will be away from my home email for a little over 2 weeks, coming home February 12, a Sunday, the day before that month’s full moon actually.
;-))
Wish me luck, and same to everyone here. Be nice to each other, polite and supportive, please.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:18:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you have much to learn, young grasshopper… hang in there…
love to you
tink

On 1/23/06, grasshopper <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

Preston:
This email triggered something in my PC that phucked it up royally. I
think,can’t prove it, that the feykin list has been filtrated by dark
forces…klownz demise started it in mine. i’m not takin’ up for the luzer
but makes me wonder. don? i thought we had buried the hatchet…ain’t you
is it bro? no warz on my end, we be kool i hope…maybe my ‘puter ignorenz
is showing, not to mention all the bad karma i started wid dat shite.
maybee that freakin’ grasshopper is worse than rednose or itz all anomally.
or maybeez patriot act got wind of this passportstufz. big brudder be
lookin’ in? NSA gotz 11 milez ‘o mainframe. i poisnoilly gotz no beef wid
da govment so it can leave my burned out ass out of it. or all the detox
helperz gotz me paranoid likein the ol’ speed dayz around the ‘lectric
circus. List, i’ve tightened me act up and am listening rather than talkin
or at least tryin too. Howard, Nick? Maybe that group hug? ‘cuz i ain’t no
island. oh well..IBO wood fix it but for our progressive gov’t and AMA
detox protocal. pleeze, to all, no klownz Callie, honest.
It’ll right itself on a poztive note i’m shure. ron , the grazz hopper and
thanks for not writin’ me off or out . ain’t tripped in 30 yearz ‘cept for
my session which d/n take cuz i’m fried. Providerz were top shelf tho, E
& T !!!!! I’m savin’ time and money so youz guyz don’t leave me. Thanks

—– Original Message —–
From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]

Am 22.01.2006 um 08:01 schrieb Henk:

Hi,
I am not so sure about these fatalities by LSD intoxication (excluding
accidents and suicide indeed)

3-5 deaths is what fire and earth eowid said in basel when giving their talk
about lsd-surveys. there was a person present who was tripsitting when
someone died after ingesting lsd while lying on a couch. it is not known
really if this was lsd intoxication. after 100s of millions of lsd trips it
is not surprising that someone dies, could be any causes. still it´s more
likely to die from aspirin i guess.

the erowid talk was quiet interesting, hope it will be online soon. apart
from that cd and dvd cuts are available.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:10:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

IF YOU FREE YOUR MIND, YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW!!!!!!!!!!
tink
hi sara!! hey nick!!

On 1/21/06, slowone@hush.ai <slowone@hush.ai> wrote:
I think it might in some cases. But habits like that die hard, and
much painful understanding is needed to erase them.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:33:48 -0800 ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant,
greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be
suffering of
those condition.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:55:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

so when are you investing in a mac yourself, there, country boy?
i’ll GIVE you my garageband,etc….
tinkiewinkie

On 1/23/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 1/20/06 8:57:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shakti@photon.net writes:

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

Brenda I have been kinda busy and haven’t seen the list for a while and
just came across this one. I just have to say that I kind of messed around
with a computer that had Garage Band on it and it absolutely ruled. I didn’t
have a lot of time but what I saw was really cool. It had built in 48 volt
phantom power for tube mikes and some very good EQ funtions. The drums were
programable and just the stock drums were pretty good. I’d say that all of
the effects would be pretty good. Now, I’m not a gear head at all but I’ve
been around for a long time and I pat attention. It looked pretty good to
me. Check it out. Life Rocks Turn It Up Randy

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:52:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 1/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

I don’t know Ron, I have heard anything as regards homeland security and
the passport application, but someone on another list just noted that I am
probably flagged somewhere, that the State Department may think I’m
planning on going to protest the US war or something. Now that I still
haven’t seen a passport yet was told the hold was listed at 2:20 PM on
Thursday and that the OVERNIGHT Delivery I’d just paid over the phone that
morning would insure that the passport would be getting to me in time to
leave according to my “Friday” travel plans – in oh, 24 hours, right? –
still hasn’t arrived and I can’t call ’til tomorrow to see what the hold up
is, I’m still up in the air as to my plans, and getting suspicious that I
am flagged for real. Now, wouldn’t that be interesting, that because I’m a
“real” writer, the State Department/US Gov. doesn’t want to admit that’s
the case, so is groping for alternative reasons to deny me a passport?
Because they don’t want me to write up a nifty litle article about being
blacklisted? I don’t think that’s really the case, but still, I think I’d
ALMOST be honored to be on a list like that, but not so much that it would
relieve the irritation and angst I’m feeling over getting this constant
run-around.
BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well
within my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all.
That’s still not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as
was amply demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close
to me who merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I
wasn’t, which only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing
well, and plan on continuing to stay in this space of “doing well” NO
MATTER WHAT happens, so am acknowleging publically that I’m sticking to my
guns and staying away from the self-destructive patterns I’ve willingly
entered so many times in my life- I’m finished with that life. I
feel…ah, hell, why am I bothering with this?
Suffice it to say, as noted, here I sit, still in NYC without a
freakin’ passport (but amazingly still with my girlfriend- which leads me
to wonder if there really are “powers that be” helping us get through
this) while wondering if I’m on a government “we hate that guy” list or
other, but keeping myself out of trouble to the very best of my abilities.
Egad.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I
just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences with
ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round very
soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes
some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport
Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in
the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these
reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit
differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the same
substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very
interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the results
that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same way
I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice
said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to
call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla
ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because here
it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or
that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does work
to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of
addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much
cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s
either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, a
seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of
powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and
psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no
thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of Oblivion:
A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding
throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come over
right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any
longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over the
side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before into
the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a good
job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you
shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave miserably
into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out
with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a
vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to
Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, taking
all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be leaving
a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean
to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from
beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from
Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years
this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only
grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad
aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught
up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know
what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that
ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:44:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

people who keep insisting that they are particularly sane freak me the
fuck out. i don’t know ANYONE sane…
“specially me and you, kirk
LOLOLOLOLOLOLROFLMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tink

On 1/20/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

LET THE INSANITY GOOD TIMES ROLL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

IT’S ALL NUTZ!!!!

Yours forever crazy as a ……………..something that’s reallyreally fucking lost
it hahahahahahahaha

________________________________

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:21 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net
writes:

Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not
responsible, and insane

I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!

Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but every
post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!

Callie

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Fw: Subject: Two Choices
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:42:25 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Date: Jan 19, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Fw: Subject: Two Choices
To: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>

—– Original Message —–
From: “Duncan Wilder Johnson” <duncanwilder666@yahoo.com>
To: <cparfitt@maine.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Subject: Two Choices

What would you do? You make the choice! Don’t look for a punch line;
There isn’t one! Read it anyway.

My question to all of you is: Would you have made the same choice?

At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves learning disabled
children, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that
would never be forgotten by all who attended.

After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a question:

“When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does is
done with perfection. Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn things as other
children do. He cannot understand things as other children do.

Where is the natural order of things in my son?”

The audience was stilled by the query. The father continued. “I believe,
that when a child like Shay, physically and mentally
handicapped comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human

nature presents itself, and it comes, in the way other people treat
that child.”

Then he told the following story: Shay and his father had walked past a
park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball. Shay asked,
“Do you think they’ll let me play?”

Shay’s father knew that most of the boys would not want someone like
Shay on their team, but the father also understood that if his son were
allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of belonging and
some confidence to be accepted by others in spite of his handicaps.

Shay’s father approached one of the boys on the field and asked if Shay
could play, not expecting much. The boy looked around for
guidance and a few boys nodded approval, why not? So he took matters
into his own hands and said, “We’re losing by six runs and the game is in
the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we’ll try to put him
in to bat in the ninth inning.” Shay struggled over to the team’s bench
put on a team shirt with a broad smile and his Father had a small tear in
his eye and warmth in his heart. The boys saw the father’s joy at his son
being accepted

In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay’s team scored a few runs but was
still behind by three. In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove
and played in the right field. Even though no hits came his way, he was
obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from
ear to ear as his father waved to him from the stands.

In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay’s team scored again. Now, with two
outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base And Shay
was scheduled to be next at bat.

At this juncture, do they let Shay bat and give away their chance to win
the game?

Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but
impossible ’cause Shay didn’t even know how to hold the bat properly, much
less connect with the ball.

However, as Shay stepped up to the plate, the pitcher, recognizing the
other team putting winning aside for this moment in Shay’s life, moved in
a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least be able to
make contact. The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed. The
pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards
Shay. As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground
ball right back to the pitcher.

The game would now be over, but the pitcher picked up the soft grounder
and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shay would
have been out and that would have been the end of the game.

Instead, the pitcher threw the ball right over the head of the first
baseman, out of reach of all team mates. Everyone from the stands and both
teams started yelling, “Shay, run to first! Run to first!”

Never in his life had Shay ever ran that far but made it to first base. He
scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled. Everyone yelled, “Run
to second, run to second!” Catching his breath, Shay awkwardly ran towards
second, gleaming and struggling to make it to second base.

By the time Shay rounded towards second base, the right fielder had the
ball, the smallest guy on their team, who had a chance to be the hero for
his team for the first time. He could have thrown the ball to the
second-baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher’s intentions and
he too intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman’s
head.

Shay ran toward third base deliriously as the runners ahead of him circled
the bases toward home. All were screaming, “Shay, Shay, Shay, all the Way
Shay”

Shay reached third base, the opposing shortstop ran to help him and turned
him in the direction of third base, and shouted, “Run to third!

Shay, run to third” As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams and
those watching were on their feet were screaming, “Shay, run home!”

Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who
hit the “grand slam” and won the game for his team.

That day,” said the father softly with tears now rolling down his face,
the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity
into this world.”

Shay didn’t make it to another summer and died that winter, having never
forgotten being the hero and making his Father so happy and coming home
and seeing his Mother tearfully embrace her little hero of the day!

AND, NOW A LITTLE FOOTNOTE TO THIS STORY:

We all send thousands of jokes through the e-mail without a second
thought, but when it comes to sending messages about life choices, people
think twice about sharing. The crude, vulgar, and often obscene pass
freely through cyberspace, but public discussion about decency is too
often suppressed in our schools and workplaces.

If you’re thinking about forwarding this message, chances are that you’re
probably sorting out the people on your address list that aren’t the
“appropriate” ones to receive this type of message.

Well, the person who sent you this believes that we all can make a
difference. We all have thousands of opportunities every single day to
help realize the “natural order of things.”

So many seemingly trivial interactions between two people present us with
a choice: Do we pass along a little spark of love and humanity or do we
pass up that opportunity to brighten the day of those with us the least
able, and leave the world a little bit colder in the process? A wise man
once said every society is judged by how it treats it’s least fortunate
amongst them.

You now have two choices:

Delete or 2. Forward

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] me, my issues, and post iboga tattoos
Date: January 26, 2006 at 11:03:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:42:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My only advice is to just let it take you where you need to go. i
know that sounds a bit cryptic, but noone has the same experience, and
all three of mine have been VASTLY different. UMmm, consider
dramimine and ginger root, and try not to move your head too much :].
I’ll keep candles lit through all of Feb, as it seems to be a major
launch point from what I’m gathering.
Happy trails and trailers… and say hi to the beeeeeez
love to all
tink

On 1/21/06, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Grasshopper,…..what a great name.

love,Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: grasshopper
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it(OT) from Ron

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:36:49 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 1/21/06, Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before
iboga).

I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life, or
God.

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:23:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I had a worse time getting off of suboxone than methadone….
EVIL EVIL EVIL
love tink

On 1/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Thanks Preston….. interesting. Never heard of it down this way though..
that was round about the time I got back into using after a few years off…
And now they’re introducing it into the drug clinics. Sheep. baaaaa
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

—– Original Message —–
From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone
combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in
Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR,
Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today with

the recent approval of the buprenorphine combination product containing
naloxone. According to my reading there have only been two published
comparative studies of the combination product in recent years and neither
compared unsupervised combination treatment with traditional methadone
treatment. Nor did either examine community diversion in any systematic
way. After TGA approval and PBS funding process, the States and Territories

are responsible for introducing the combination into clinical practice (we
are told from April 2006). While we should welcome any addition to the
limited treatment options, the absence of good research evidence on this
product led me to look into older literature for knowledge about the
subject.

product was introduced in an attempt to make it unpopular with addicts.
Although the analgesic tablet was only one tenth of the strength of the
common 2mg tablet used for maintenance, it was dispensed in quantities of 50

in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

What the article does NOT say is that shortly after publication, the
combination drug was also withdrawn due to wholesale abuse including
injecting (personal communication GR). After years in the therapeutic
wilderness, I understand that NZ authorities have licensed the drug(s) again

for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments, structure
and supervision this time around.

Zealand (nearly all of these had used the combination drug intravenously).
Both figures were corroborated with consistent urine tests, a testimony to
Robinson’s thoroughness (I cannot get buprenorphine toxicology routinely
even now).

Two thirds of patients who had injected the combination product reported no
withdrawal reactions. One third reported possible withdrawals after
injecting, yet this experience did not appear to discourage injecting
generally as the drug was subsequently withdrawn. Thus the combination
product appears to have been less popular with addicts but was still widely
abused, albeit at lower levels. The lower street price reported may be been

due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of
the three factors).

There is now a burgeoning literature on diversion of prescribed opiates,
both from Australia and overseas. Cicero writes in October’s New England
Journal of Medicine that, after numerous provisos, “. its [buprenorphine
combinations] availability as new product lines led to an almost immediate
increase in buprenorphine use for nontherapeutic purposes.”). In recent
cross-jurisdictional comparisons, both Ritter et al. from Australia and EMC
from Europe found that there was little correlation between ‘take-away’
policy and the extent of methadone or buprenorphine diversion reported
across borders.

Clearly one way for us as dependency workers to address the issue of
diversion is to ensure addicted citizens have access to appropriate,
flexible treatments of high quality, including detoxification, maintenance
as well as attention to other medical and social problems.

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al. Office-Based

Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of
Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in Office-Based

Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin(r) and Other
Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain 2005
6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription
Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse
2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and
injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005)
100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone policies

and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed 22-1-06)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Andrew Byrne MB BS (Syd) FAChAM (RACP)
Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1418817.htm
My grandfather Harry Gracie’s letters from 1924 trip to Mayo Clinic:
http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” and
“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”
http://www.csdp.org/addict/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TOTALLY OT: FW: star wars dj dude.
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:22:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You freakin’ rock, as always, Kirkie!!!
tinkie-one-canobie

On 1/26/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
If you’re into scratch AND star wars, this is hard case!!

This fakkin rokks dudes/.
http://filecabi.net/v.php?file=1119313871.asx&width=800&height=600

_________________________________________________________________

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] initiation in france
Date: January 26, 2006 at 10:12:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

welcome back, space boy!!!
and stop calling me tinkerchub, you little shit ;]
i love you
tink

On 1/26/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

Welcome back to this reality muhahahahahah

Thanks for letting me know you’re ok :o) really really appreciate it!!! Xxx

Looking wayyy forward to hearing about your journey :o) ;o)

Looking even forwarder to mine. Arrghhhhhh frustration time sux lol

Love you heaps n heaps was sending you protection xxx

Kirk xxx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] initiation in france

im in france and done the initation with mallendi

trippy shit

lots of puking but a trip and a half

best part was staring in the miror and watching ur face disapear and another
reality opening up

will write more when bck in canada on the 3rd

love

matt

________________________________

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] initiation in france
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:34:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Welcome back to this reality muhahahahahah
Thanks for letting me know you’re ok :o) really really appreciate it!!! Xxx
Looking wayyy forward to hearing about your journey :o) ;o)
Looking even forwarder to mine. Arrghhhhhh frustration time sux lol
Love you heaps n heaps was sending you protection xxx
Kirk xxx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]  Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:09 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] initiation in france

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all
Date: January 26, 2006 at 6:35:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahaahahah it’s so Perfect it should almost be a novel.. no wait.. it
is,…. isn’t it…. duh lmao
GOOD travels N JOURNEYS TO YOU :O);O)
SENDING YOU HEAPS N HEAPS OF YEEFUCKINGHARVIBES

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2006 8:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all

sorry Ron, I don’t have the answers to your questions, though they are good
ones.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck folks. It

should be an interesting voyage, and I’ve realized that after talking for
the last three weeks about how I’ve come to the realization that I need to
add one last chapter to my manuscript/book about my misadventures on the
streets of various cities around the globe, adding a final chapter that will

relate my decision to go to see Sara and what I experience there perhaps to
a book that already BEGINS in the very first chapter in the Netherlands,
with a move to Amsterdam closing out the first chapter. So I think it’s
pretty apt that I’ll end the book there too, eh?
Eh.
;-))
Anyway, be safe all and I’ll post more perhaps from Sara’s, if so short
and pithily, and otherwise will post more detailedly when I return to NYC.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all

it is dispensensed in one cc liquid ampoules 0.6mg by one source around my

parts. . one gets up to 120 amps per month. no mix, just the pure stuff
injected IM.. Question Preston: any info on withdrawals after long term
use? a friend has been on long term maintenance ( 4 yrs) for pain
management and wants to break the necklace. Titrate? It was originally
touted as no withdrawals but i hear it causes some nasties that last quiet

awhile and b/c it lasts so long, it is dangerous to use IBO unless one has

been free for 4 weeks or more from it.. Got the skinny on that? When
Rx;d for drug w/d’s, it is dispensed in 2mg. and 8 mg. pills for that
little problem. Whadda ya hear on that? No high unless heavy benzo use w/

it either. Any info greatly appreciated so i can relay to my buddy.
Thanks, ron. Haven’t seen any with naloxone around the southern bible
belt. Again, any info on getting off the stuff from anyone on the list
much appreciated.—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

Thanks Preston….. interesting. Never heard of it down this way though..
that was round about the time I got back into using after a few years
off…
And now they’re introducing it into the drug clinics. Sheep. baaaaa
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in
Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR,
Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today
with

in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments,
structure
and supervision this time around.

Two thirds of patients who had injected the combination product reported
no
withdrawal reactions. One third reported possible withdrawals after
injecting, yet this experience did not appear to discourage injecting
generally as the drug was subsequently withdrawn. Thus the combination
product appears to have been less popular with addicts but was still
widely
abused, albeit at lower levels. The lower street price reported may be
been

due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of
the three factors).

There is now a burgeoning literature on diversion of prescribed opiates,
both from Australia and overseas. Cicero writes in October’s New England
Journal of Medicine that, after numerous provisos, “. its [buprenorphine
combinations] availability as new product lines led to an almost immediate
increase in buprenorphine use for nontherapeutic purposes.”). In recent
cross-jurisdictional comparisons, both Ritter et al. from Australia and
EMC
from Europe found that there was little correlation between ‘take-away’
policy and the extent of methadone or buprenorphine diversion reported
across borders.

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al.
Office-Based

Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of
Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in
Office-Based

Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin® and Other
Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain
2005
6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription
Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse
2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and
injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005)
100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone
policies

and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed
22-1-06)

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 26, 2006 at 5:33:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you, that’s it, most probably.
I just didn’t know how to spell it well, so I couldn’t find any references.

———— Původní zpráva ————
Od: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Předmět: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Datum: 25.1.2006 17:08:02
—————————————-
Do you mean ayahuasca? Traditional plant admixtures are Banesteriopsis Caapi
(vine of the dead/soul, which is a mild MAOI) and Psychotria Viridis(contains
DMT, that is orally active with the MAOI)… It is common for South American
shaman, to use as a healing/visionary tool… Plenty of info, just google
ayahuasca, or check out ayahuasca.com … If this isn’t what you are speaking
about, sorry, but this is the only thing that I can figure you must be talking
about.. Other admixtures or substitutes, can be diplopterys cabrerana, which is
more potent than the viridis, but also contains 5-MeO-DMT. Mimosa hostilis also
contains high levels of DMT, and syrian rue(aka peganum harmala) can be used for
MAOI inhbiton to make the DMT orally active.. Many shaman add other plant
allies to their brew, depending on the skill and experience of the shaman…
Hope that provides a little reference, to further your research!!
CE

Frantiï¿½ek Hrdï¿½ <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote: Had anyone of you ever heard about
plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It
helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite.
They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations.
Harmony comes from snake. ???

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] initiation in france
Date: January 26, 2006 at 4:09:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all
Date: January 26, 2006 at 2:23:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry Ron, I don’t have the answers to your questions, though they are good ones.
I’m leaving for Sara’s later this evening, so wish me all luck folks. It should be an interesting voyage, and I’ve realized that after talking for the last three weeks about how I’ve come to the realization that I need to add one last chapter to my manuscript/book about my misadventures on the streets of various cities around the globe, adding a final chapter that will relate my decision to go to see Sara and what I experience there perhaps to a book that already BEGINS in the very first chapter in the Netherlands, with a move to Amsterdam closing out the first chapter. So I think it’s pretty apt that I’ll end the book there too, eh?
Eh.
;-))
Anyway, be safe all and I’ll post more perhaps from Sara’s, if so short and pithily, and otherwise will post more detailedly when I return to NYC.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all

it is dispensensed in one cc liquid ampoules 0.6mg by one source around my parts. . one gets up to 120 amps per month. no mix, just the pure stuff injected IM.. Question Preston: any info on withdrawals after long term use? a friend has been on long term maintenance ( 4 yrs) for pain management and wants to break the necklace. Titrate? It was originally touted as no withdrawals but i hear it causes some nasties that last quiet awhile and b/c it lasts so long, it is dangerous to use IBO unless one has been free for 4 weeks or more from it.. Got the skinny on that? When Rx;d for drug w/d’s, it is dispensed in 2mg. and 8 mg. pills for that little problem. Whadda ya hear on that? No high unless heavy benzo use w/ it either. Any info greatly appreciated so i can relay to my buddy. Thanks, ron. Haven’t seen any with naloxone around the southern bible belt. Again, any info on getting off the stuff from anyone on the list much appreciated.—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

Thanks Preston….. interesting. Never heard of it down this way though..
that was round about the time I got back into using after a few years off…
And now they’re introducing it into the drug clinics. Sheep. baaaaa
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone
combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in
Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR,
Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today with

in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments, structure
and supervision this time around.

due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of
the three factors).

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al. Office-Based

Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of
Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in Office-Based

Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin® and Other
Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain 2005
6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription
Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse
2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and
injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005)
100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone policies

and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed 22-1-06)

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Goodbye for a little while
Date: January 26, 2006 at 1:12:05 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi guys,

I’m taking a break from the computer so I’m un-subbing tomorrow for about a
month or so.

I did go look at the new Macs at the mac store and and I did not have fun!
I realized that I am in a very tender period and I am taking any spare time
I have to have sort of a mental/spiritual/physical cleanse. Ever since I
got over my cold that I had after I had the flu (some virus) for 4 weeks I
finally feel that metabolite and I’ve decided to use this period for the
most good I can think of.

I’ve made some huge changes, one being that I got my shift at work changed
to come in at 6am which means I get to leave earlier – I have made a
decision no more computer in the AM while I’m having my tea 😉 I’m putting
meditation back in there and will get yoga back in. The days after work,
few hours I will have some alone time and the sun will still be shining will
be for anything that feeds my soul, time out in nature, ect. And since I
just got my license back I will be able to take in some culture and take
advantage of the massive offerings of spiritual talks of which many here in
the Bay area where I live are free or cheap.

I also start a women’s life coaching group (not therapy) next week for six
weeks to solidify my goals in terms of my values and how that relates to my
life and my actions, career, relationships, ect.

Of course, I have a lot of activity coming up in my music career but I have
so many great people doing most of the hard work and supporting me as an
artist doing what I love – it’s pretty cool.

You are all in my thoughts and prayers and you continue you on your journey
especially right now Kirk – getting ready for your session, Ron, and
Preston.

I started an ayurvedic cleanse diet today (grains and vegetables and I’m
also eating fruit) and can’t wait to get that cleaned out feeling!

Talk to y’all soon!

Brenda 🙂

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] TOTALLY OT: FW: star wars dj dude.
Date: January 26, 2006 at 12:46:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If you’re into scratch AND star wars, this is hard case!!

This fakkin rokks dudes/.
http://filecabi.net/v.php?file=1119313871.asx&width=800&height=600

_________________________________________________________________

From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 25, 2006 at 12:29:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Suppose it is ayahuasca, not from africa , but south america.
Check the web, there is plenty of info.

Henk

František Hrdý wrote:

Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake. ???

—
Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama.

Lost and Free Enterprises
http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav

http://www.geocities.com/knehnav55/

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] write to complain ibo is not dangerous!
Date: January 25, 2006 at 12:05:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Contact: Dorit Ron, Ph.D. dorit@itsa.ucsf.edu 510-985-3150 University of California, San Francisco
Patricia Janak, Ph.D.  pjanak@itsa.ucsf.edu 510-985-3880 University of California, San Francisco
Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research
Three neuronal growth factors may be key to understanding alcohol’s effects

Growth factors are a large and diverse group of polypeptides critical for the development of the central nervous system. A symposium at the June 2005 annual meeting of the Research Society on Alcoholism in Santa Barbara, California focused on three growth factors – insulin, brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), and glial cell-derived neurotrophic factor (GDNF) – that may also play an important role in the regulation of the behavioral effects of alcohol. Symposium proceedings are published in the February issue of Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research.
“Growth factors are proteins that are involved in the development of nerve cells and are also important for keeping the cells alive,” explained Dorit Ron, associate professor of neurology at the University of California, San Francisco and symposium co-chair. “The growth factors covered in this symposium – insulin, BDNF and GDNF – appear to be able to regulate alcohol’s effects independent of their roles in cell survival.”
Some of the symposium’s key proceedings were:
– Genetic manipulations of the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster demonstrate that the insulin pathway controls sensitivity to the intoxicating effects of alcohol.
“The insulin pathway has a crucial role in regulating sugar levels in the blood,” said Patricia Janak, assistant professor of neurology at the University of California, San Francisco and symposium chair, “and malfunctions in the insulin pathway can lead to the development of diabetes. The insulin pathway can also regulate many other processes, including aging, reproduction and the overall growth of an organism. Using a fruit fly model, the Heberlein lab at UCSF recently found that blocking the function of brain cells that produce insulin or those that respond to insulin can increase sensitivity to alcohol’s intoxicating effects. These results show that insulin can modulate behaviors related to the acute effects of alcohol, indicating yet another brain pathway with future pharmaceutical applications for treating alcohol addiction.”
– Rodent research reveals that low concentrations of alcohol increase the expression of BDNF in the brain in order to regulate alcohol consumption.
“We have found that mice that are allowed to freely consume alcohol have increased expression of the growth factor BDNF in the brain, in a region called the dorsal striatum,” said Ron. “These are considered ‘low doses’ in that the amount of alcohol consumed by these mice is not visibly intoxicating – the mice do not demonstrate any behaviors associated with intoxication, such as unstable gait – but is comparable to social drinkers. We believe that BDNF is involved in regulation of alcohol consumption because when we block the ability of BDNF to act, the mice drink more.”
– Amygdalar BDNF regulates alcohol’s anxiolytic effects and preference.
“Amygdalar BDNF refers to BDNF in a specific region of the brain, called the amygdala,” explained Ron. “This area of the brain is involved in responses to fearful and stressful events, as well as being part of the brain pathway that deals with rewarding experiences. Co-author Subhash C. Pandey’s lab from the University of Illinois at Chicago showed that BDNF in this brain region is involved in reducing anxiety – so when you interfere with BDNF in the amygdala, you see both increased anxiety and increased alcohol consumption.”
– Increases in the expression of GDNF in the ventral tegmental area (VTA) appear to reduce alcohol self-administration in rats.
“The VTA is another brain region involved in the ‘addiction’ pathway,” said Ron, “and we have seen that increasing GDNF in this region decreases alcohol consumption in rodents.” She explained that this line of research was based on claims that a compound called ibogaine, derived from the African shrub iboga, could stop all drug craving for several weeks in humans who had taken the drug. Ibogaine has dangerous side effects, however, including hallucinations and death of brain cells in some areas. “We used rodents to determine that ibogaine increases GDNF in the VTA, which decreased alcohol intake, independent of the negative side effects described above.”
Collectively speaking, said Janak, these findings show that growth factors, which were originally found to support cell survival and development, also have other important roles, including “the brain’s response to alcohol.”

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Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research (ACER) is the official journal of the Research Society on Alcoholism and the International Society for Biomedical Research on Alcoholism. Co-presenters of the ACER paper, “BIG News in Alcohol Addiction: New Findings on Growth Factor Pathways BDNF, Insulin, and GDNF,” were: Fred W. Wolf of the Departments of Neurology and Anatomy at the University of California, San Francisco; Ulrike Heberlein of the Ernest Gallo Clinic and Research Center as well as the Departments of Neurology and Anatomy and the Program of Neuroscience at the University of California, San Francisco; Subhash C. Pandey of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Illinois at Chicago as well as the Jesse Brown VA Medical Center; and Marian Logrip of the Ernest Gallo Clinic and Research Center as well as the Program of Neuroscience at the University of California, San Francisco. The study was funded by the National Institutes of Health, the Department of Defense, the State of California, The McKnight Foundation for Neuroscience, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 25, 2006 at 11:07:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you mean ayahuasca? Traditional plant admixtures are Banesteriopsis Caapi (vine of the dead/soul, which is a mild MAOI) and Psychotria Viridis(contains DMT, that is orally active with the MAOI)… It is common for South American shaman, to use as a healing/visionary tool… Plenty of info, just google ayahuasca, or check out ayahuasca.com … If this isn’t what you are speaking about, sorry, but this is the only thing that I can figure you must be talking about.. Other admixtures or substitutes, can be diplopterys cabrerana, which is more potent than the viridis, but also contains 5-MeO-DMT. Mimosa hostilis also contains high levels of DMT, and syrian rue(aka peganum harmala) can be used for MAOI inhbiton to make the DMT orally active.. Many shaman add other plant allies to their brew, depending on the skill and experience of the shaman… Hope that provides a little reference, to further your research!!
CE

Frantiï¿½ek Hrdï¿½ <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake. ???

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] aja waski
Date: January 25, 2006 at 8:23:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Had anyone of you ever heard about plant called aja waski? It should be some drink cooked by african shamans. It helps you to look into yourself. It heals narkomania. It might help or opposite. They believe about some snake inside you which activates your visualisations. Harmony comes from snake. ???

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy
Date: January 25, 2006 at 3:28:06 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Shelly thanks for that ,just what I needed to hear. We are waiting for some ibogaine to arrive so it looks like it will be around 10 feb.
Guy
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com]  Sent: 24 January 2006 17:14 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Hi Guy, and welcome! In my experience personally & with others it seems ibogaine gives you just what you need, and to be sure the best way to detox ever! Im always awestruck by how “tailor made”my experiences were, probably the most sound advice is to breath thru it , and you can always blink if you need to start over with any visual material, I wish you the best!-shell  Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hey Ron,
Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite a lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very seldom, nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.
guy
From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]  Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy:
One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way. they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources at its disposal which proved to b e invaluable. it’s not party time, unless you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life / death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug, length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors, also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat, but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from. stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly cou ntry , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws. many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind. there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to contribute. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
< div class=MsoNormal>Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we say in South Africa.
Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you have to go to?
Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesn’t make some big company loads of cash then ban it.!!
Guy
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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine & detox to all
Date: January 25, 2006 at 12:16:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston….. interesting. Never heard of it down this way though..
that was round about the time I got back into using after a few years off…
And now they’re introducing it into the drug clinics. Sheep. baaaaa
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone
combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in
Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR,
Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today with

in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments, structure
and supervision this time around.

due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of
the three factors).

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al. Office-Based

Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of
Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in Office-Based

Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin® and Other
Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain 2005
6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription
Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse
2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and
injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005)
100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone policies

and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed 22-1-06)

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: January 24, 2006 at 8:39:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Preston….. interesting. Never heard of it down this way though..
that was round about the time I got back into using after a few years off…
And now they’re introducing it into the drug clinics. Sheep. baaaaa
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:47 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a
buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in
Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR,
Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today with

in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments, structure
and supervision this time around.

due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of
the three factors).

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al. Office-Based

Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of
Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in Office-Based

Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin® and Other
Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain 2005
6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription
Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse
2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and
injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005)
100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone policies

and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed 22-1-06)

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: January 24, 2006 at 6:47:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand.

The misuse of buprenorphine and a buprenorphine-naloxone combination in Wellington, New Zealand. Robinson GM, Dukes PD, Robinson BJ, Cooke RR, Mahoney GN. Drug Alcohol Dependence (1993) 33;1:81-6

Dear Colleagues,
This 1993 study from Wellington, New Zealand, has relevance to us today with the recent approval of the buprenorphine combination product containing naloxone. According to my reading there have only been two published comparative studies of the combination product in recent years and neither compared unsupervised combination treatment with traditional methadone treatment. Nor did either examine community diversion in any systematic way. After TGA approval and PBS funding process, the States and Territories are responsible for introducing the combination into clinical practice (we are told from April 2006). While we should welcome any addition to the limited treatment options, the absence of good research evidence on this product led me to look into older literature for knowledge about the subject.

To his great credit, Dr Robinson saw an opportunity in 1991 to monitor a naturalistic experiment in Wellington, New Zealand when pure buprenorphine tablets were withdrawn and replaced with a combination product due to reports of abuse. The new combination product contained approximately the same quantity of naloxone (the modern version has only one quarter of this proportion). Owing to the widespread abuse of prescribed analgesics (and almost absence of heroin) in New Zealand in the early 1990s, the combination product was introduced in an attempt to make it unpopular with addicts. Although the analgesic tablet was only one tenth of the strength of the common 2mg tablet used for maintenance, it was dispensed in quantities of 50 in a pack (10mg total ± 8.5mg naloxone).

What the article does NOT say is that shortly after publication, the combination drug was also withdrawn due to wholesale abuse including injecting (personal communication GR). After years in the therapeutic wilderness, I understand that NZ authorities have licensed the drug(s) again for addiction treatment, presumably with more formal assessments, structure and supervision this time around.

Robinson interviewed a sample of new methadone treatment applicants 12 months apart during which the pure product was withdrawn and replaced with the combination. This revealed the surprising original rate of 81% of patients had abused buprenorphine in the previous 4 weeks. The rate was still 57% 12 months later when only combination product was available in New Zealand (nearly all of these had used the combination drug intravenously). Both figures were corroborated with consistent urine tests, a testimony to Robinson’s thoroughness (I cannot get buprenorphine toxicology routinely even now).

Two thirds of patients who had injected the combination product reported no withdrawal reactions. One third reported possible withdrawals after injecting, yet this experience did not appear to discourage injecting generally as the drug was subsequently withdrawn. Thus the combination product appears to have been less popular with addicts but was still widely abused, albeit at lower levels. The lower street price reported may be been due to the naloxone, increased supply or lower demand (or a combination of the three factors).

There is now a burgeoning literature on diversion of prescribed opiates, both from Australia and overseas. Cicero writes in October’s New England Journal of Medicine that, after numerous provisos, “. its [buprenorphine combinations] availability as new product lines led to an almost immediate increase in buprenorphine use for nontherapeutic purposes.”). In recent cross-jurisdictional comparisons, both Ritter et al. from Australia and EMC from Europe found that there was little correlation between ‘take-away’ policy and the extent of methadone or buprenorphine diversion reported across borders.

Clearly one way for us as dependency workers to address the issue of diversion is to ensure addicted citizens have access to appropriate, flexible treatments of high quality, including detoxification, maintenance as well as attention to other medical and social problems.

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..

References:

Fudala PJ, Bridge TP, Herbert S, Williford WO, Chiang CN et al. Office-Based Treatment of Opiate Addiction with a Sublingual-Tablet Formulation of Buprenorphine and Naloxone. NEJM (2003) 349:949-958

Cicero TJ, Inciardi JA. Potential for Abuse of Buprenorphine in Office-Based Treatment of Opioid Dependence. NEJM (2005) 353;17:1863-5

Cicero T, Inciardi J, Muñoz A. Trends in Abuse of OxyContin® and Other Opioid Analgesics in the United States: 2002-2004. The Journal of Pain 2005 6;10:662-672

Inciadi JA, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP, Burke JJ. The Diversion of Prescription Drugs by Health Care Workers in Cincinnati, Ohio. Substance Use & Misuse 2005 41:255-264

Jenkinson RA, Clark NC, Fry CL, Dobbin M. Buprenorphine diversion and injection in Melbourne, Australia: an emerging issue? Addiction (2005) 100;2:197-205

Ritter A, Di Natale R. The relationship between take-away methadone policies and methadone diversion. Drug Alcohol Rev (2005) 24;4:347-352

Prevalence of buprenorphine misuse. EMCDDA 2005 (web site accessed 22-1-06)

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Conference
Date: January 23, 2006 at 10:42:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh nevermind, I’m retarded. I was looking at last year’s schedule.

jon wrote:
Ummm. I’m honoured that I’m listed on the schedule, but it would’ve been easier for me if someone had …umm… told me.
Could whoever’s in charge of organising things email me off list and let me know what I’m talking about? =)

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy
Date: January 24, 2006 at 10:14:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy Bragge <guybragge@mweb.co.za> wrote:
Hey Ron,
Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite a lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very seldom, nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.
guy
From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy:
One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way. they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources at its disposal which proved to be invaluable. it’s not party time, unless you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life / death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug, length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors, also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat, but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from. stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly country , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws. many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind. there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to contribute. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we say in South Africa.
Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you have to go to?
Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesnt make some big company loads of cash then ban it.!!
Guy

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Photo Books. You design it and well bind it!

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 24, 2006 at 2:37:41 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here’s that <a
href=”http://daime.org/site/audio/mestre/24kbps/mes24k-111.mp3″>a
Santo Daime hymn</a> that echoes the buzz a little for me.
The words of the first verse mean something like:

Here I am
And if I wasn’t, how would that be?
I think on the truth
And all my questions are answered

This came to a man who lived in a frontier Amazonian town, around
1960 perhaps. Here’s another, <a
href=”http://daime.org/site/audio/rita/24kbps/rit24k-
09.mp3″>received by a woman</a> in a remote village in the same
area, possibly around 1980. I can’t translate this so well, but she
is asking for strength.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:41:39 -0800 Jasen Chamoun
<jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.

As we know all of life is vibrating, moving at different
speeds,”the rock is moving”, the higher the speed of vibration
the more solid an object is. I was made light by the change of
frequency
of vibration,..allowed me to re-member with the all as many of
us have experienced.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before
iboga).

I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life,

or
God.

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] for Guy
Date: January 24, 2006 at 12:40:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ron,
Thanks for your reply. I hear what you are saying> I am 41 and have quite a lot of past history to overcome. I have found some people here who facilitate the Ibo experience and they seem to know what they are doing. I will be in good hands. I am not expecting the experience to be fun and am quite nervous. My girlfriend says I must be careful not to set my self up for disappointment. What if nothing happens? It seems as though very seldom, nothing happens, so I remain hopeful.
guy
From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]  Sent: 23 January 2006 19:53 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy

Guy:
One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way. they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources at its disposal which proved to be invaluable. it’s not party time, unless you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life / death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug, length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors, also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat, but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from. stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly country , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws. many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind. there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to contribute. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it(OT) from Ron
Date: January 23, 2006 at 11:25:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/23/2006 12:41:27 PM Central Standard Time, freedomroot@gmail.com writes:
and then the queer-repressed priest gave us a rant about the 33rd anniversary of Roe v. Wade and it was only out of courtesey to my aunt that I didn’t scream and rend my clothes in protest about the sexul politics of pedophiles raving about abortion.

LMFAO!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
AMEN!!!! I have NEVER seen or heard the above fact so eloquently stated!! Oh how I wish your Aunt would not have been there but I was in her place and would witness such a protest!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!!
Keep on truckin’!
Callie

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle(OT) ron to jasen
Date: January 23, 2006 at 11:10:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

likewise mi amigo. would love to circle your continent and meet you if this waz for me. you are an inspiration, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

“This guy pulled me outta the gutter when everybody else had given up”

I am grateful for your friend

The candle still burns.

I love you bro Jasen
—– Original Message —–
From: grasshopper
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

i’m in, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

Groovy guys and groovy chicks, like wow man, dig it. For those of you who do such things, please light a candle for my friend Dave who is going on a journey tonight at about 9 PM. This guy pulled me outta the gutter when everybody else had given up. It is the least I can do to try and pull in as much positivity as I can for him. It would mean a lot to me if yall would help me on this. Love Light and laughter Randy

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Conference
Date: January 23, 2006 at 10:40:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ummm. I’m honoured that I’m listed on the schedule, but it would’ve been easier for me if someone had …umm… told me.

Could whoever’s in charge of organising things email me off list and let me know what I’m talking about? =)

thanx

jon

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Conference
Date: January 23, 2006 at 10:29:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/23/06 1:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, freedomroot@gmail.com writes:

Anyway, what’s the PR blurb on the upcoming Ibogaine conference at Columbia and how can the sacred geographies of a freedom route on the underground not be more significant than the continued pursuit of a Holy Grail. It’s a Seder, for christ’s sake, can be get on the tree of life wheel and talk about helping folks practically process out of their addictions???

Fresh from the womb/tombs of parental supervision, also raving rachel

You make a very good point here. What the fuck happened after I left the city? Are we going to have to take somebody to task here? C”mon Dana what the hell is the deal here? Don’t make me get country boy on your ass. HE HE No really man, what is up with the schedule? Randy

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it(OT) from Ron
Date: January 23, 2006 at 1:40:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Assy grassy holiness ain’t nuthin’ to complain about. Every day is a blessing. Every breath is a grace. Every hot shower, a paeon of gratitude to engineers, Mother Nature, and the aesthetic thobbing of fire. But since I’m among those who “put the nut in coconut,” I do prefer my commune-ick-nations on the heart, human, holy level.

Speaking thereof, I went home to my local, hometown Cathedral for Mass yesterday. It was St. Agnes’ feast day on Saturday, the patron saint of rape victims, what a reputation to have! Anyway, went to said Cathedral where I received the bulk of my sacramental initations, and it was a totally turbulent experience. This despite having my Godmother and Confirmation Sponsor, sadly named after not just the Lamb of God but also such a saint, at my side! Because the new bishop took down the old beautiful Madonna behind the altar and put up a big old white marble Pie Jesu in crucifixo. It’s so macabre, I could barely stand it, and then the queer-repressed priest gave us a rant about the 33rd anniversary of Roe v. Wade and it was only out of courtesey to my aunt that I didn’t scream and rend my clothes in protest about the sexul politics of pedophiles raving about abortion.

Fresh from the womb/tombs of parental supervision, also raving rachel

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] for Guy
Date: January 23, 2006 at 12:53:07 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy:
One doesn’t have to leave usa if one is fortunate to know a provider. While they make money, a good one doesn’t last long unless they know what they are doing. it’s not like they give you a product and send you on your way. they baby-sit you because many things can come up along the journey which requires experience and knowledge. mine had a large collection of resources at its disposal which proved to be invaluable. it’s not party time, unless you’re in your 20’s and then it’s dicey at that. for me, it was a life / death situation that needed constant monoriting. IMHO, age, the drug, length of use and how long one has been at it proved to be big factors, also, ones general overall health play a role. some users do a session and then go rafting the next day. i could not walk for a week, sleep or eat, but i have 56 years of road miles. i’m only addressing drug detox as a layman so my knowledge is very limited. guys like nick do it for different reasons i think and have a different and more diverse body of knowledge to pull from than me. of course howard is the sage, but there are also many m.d.s that are on this list that watch. then there’s sara and eric who differ in philosophies but each has a large body of knowledge to pull from. stay here and a provider will reveal itself. if you live in an IBO friendly country , which is about any other place but the usa, you can order the product. i left the country because i didn’t want to break any us laws. many docs will get you strung out and then leave you dangling in the wind. there are also many that are enlightened will help you with the process. i live in an area where addiction medicine is in the stone age and the medical model for detox from any illegal substance is that the user must hurt for a long time before any relief is supplied , which is minimal at best. this all is based on my very limited experience. my advice, which is limited as stated earlier, is only based on my experience. others have much more to contribute. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela

Hi Angela it took me a little time to get noticed as well. Howzit as we say in South Africa.
Ron, do you guys have to leave the US to do the Ibo Trip? Where do you have to go to?
Is it illegal in the US. I suppose if it doesnt make some big company loads of cash then ban it.!!
Guy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Ot coputers for music Brenda
Date: January 23, 2006 at 8:47:49 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/20/06 8:57:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, shakti@photon.net writes:

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

Brenda I have been kinda busy and haven’t seen the list for a while and just came across this one. I just have to say that I kind of messed around with a computer that had Garage Band on it and it absolutely ruled. I didn’t have a lot of time but what I saw was really cool. It had built in 48 volt phantom power for tube mikes and some very good EQ funtions. The drums were programable and just the stock drums were pretty good. I’d say that all of the effects would be pretty good. Now, I’m not a gear head at all but I’ve been around for a long time and I pat attention. It looked pretty good to me. Check it out. Life Rocks Turn It Up Randy

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 23, 2006 at 1:15:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well within
my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all.

WTG Preston!! That is the best news I have heard in a while!

That’s still
not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as was amply
demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close to me who
merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I wasn’t, which
only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing well

Hell, that is a pretty huge amount of time!!
Be easy on that someone close to you! I am sure they are sitting on pins and needles hoping you keep on the straight and narrow and that isn’t an easy place to be either.
Hell, should we expect everyone to believe that we aren’t fucking up? My normal is fucking up! My abnormal is keeping it on the straight and narrow. She is probably really pulling for you but any little oddity she see’s makes her heart fall to her stomach cause she is afraid you have gone back out.

You keep on keeping on! I am rooting for you!
Hugs!
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Angela……
Date: January 23, 2006 at 1:04:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello and welcome to the list. We have no chat room and if there is something specific you want to know about Ibogaine, just ask. There are a few folks very educated on Ibogaine and most of them have first hand experience….well all of them have first hand experience.
So, you can be seen only if you want to be seen……
Callie

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hi Angela
Date: January 23, 2006 at 12:29:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 23, 2006 at 12:27:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston:
This email triggered something in my PC that phucked it up royally. I think,can’t prove it, that the feykin list has been filtrated by dark forces…klownz demise started it in mine. i’m not takin’ up for the luzer but makes me wonder. don? i thought we had buried the hatchet…ain’t you is it bro? no warz on my end, we be kool i hope…maybe my ‘puter ignorenz is showing, not to mention all the bad karma i started wid dat shite. maybee that freakin’ grasshopper is worse than rednose or itz all anomally. or maybeez patriot act got wind of this passportstufz. big brudder be lookin’ in? NSA gotz 11 milez ‘o mainframe. i poisnoilly gotz no beef wid da govment so it can leave my burned out ass out of it. or all the detox helperz gotz me paranoid likein the ol’ speed dayz around the ‘lectric circus. List, i’ve tightened me act up and am listening rather than talkin or at least tryin too. Howard, Nick? Maybe that group hug? ‘cuz i ain’t no island. oh well..IBO wood fix it but for our progressive gov’t and AMA detox protocal. pleeze, to all, no klownz Callie, honest.
It’ll right itself on a poztive note i’m shure. ron , the grazz hopper and thanks for not writin’ me off or out . ain’t tripped in 30 yearz ‘cept for my session which d/n take cuz i’m fried. Providerz were top shelf tho, E & T !!!!! I’m savin’ time and money so youz guyz don’t leave me. Thanks
—– Original Message —–
From: ekki
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]

Am 22.01.2006 um 08:01 schrieb Henk:

Hi,
I am not so sure about these fatalities by LSD intoxication (excluding accidents and suicide indeed)

3-5 deaths is what fire and earth eowid said in basel when giving their talk about lsd-surveys. there was a person present who was tripsitting when someone died after ingesting lsd while lying on a couch. it is not known really if this was lsd intoxication. after 100s of millions of lsd trips it is not surprising that someone dies, could be any causes. still it´s more likely to die from aspirin i guess.

the erowid talk was quiet interesting, hope it will be online soon. apart from that cd and dvd cuts are available.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] where are you guys?
Date: January 22, 2006 at 10:38:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heyy angela
Don’t know whats going on but we haven’t seen you….can see you now
Can you see meeeeeeeee?
lol

—–Original Message—–
From: angela baker [mailto:angela71263@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 23 January 2006 4:36 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] where are you guys?

I subscribed to your wedsite a couple of months ago and still haven’t heard
a word from you all!!…I joined to get into chatrooms and get more info
about ibogaine!!

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From: “angela baker” <angela71263@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] where are you guys?
Date: January 22, 2006 at 10:36:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I subscribed to your wedsite a couple of months ago and still haven’t heard a word from you all!!…I joined to get into chatrooms and get more info about ibogaine!!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 22, 2006 at 4:46:54 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I mean, “I don’t know Ron, I HAVEN’T heard anything…”
Bad editing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

I don’t know Ron, I have heard anything as regards homeland security and the passport application, but someone on another list just noted that I am probably flagged somewhere, that the State Department may think I’m planning on going to protest the US war or something. Now that I still haven’t seen a passport yet was told the hold was listed at 2:20 PM on Thursday and that the OVERNIGHT Delivery I’d just paid over the phone that morning would insure that the passport would be getting to me in time to leave according to my “Friday” travel plans – in oh, 24 hours, right? – still hasn’t arrived and I can’t call ’til tomorrow to see what the hold up is, I’m still up in the air as to my plans, and getting suspicious that I am flagged for real. Now, wouldn’t that be interesting, that because I’m a “real” writer, the State Department/US Gov. doesn’t want to admit that’s the case, so is groping for alternative reasons to deny me a passport? Because they don’t want me to write up a nifty litle article about being blacklisted? I don’t think that’s really the case, but still, I think I’d ALMOST be honored to be on a list like that, but not so much that it would relieve the irritation and angst I’m feeling over getting this constant run-around.
BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well within my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all. That’s still not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as was amply demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close to me who merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I wasn’t, which only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing well, and plan on continuing to stay in this space of “doing well” NO MATTER WHAT happens, so am acknowleging publically that I’m sticking to my guns and staying away from the self-destructive patterns I’ve willingly entered so many times in my life- I’m finished with that life. I feel…ah, hell, why am I bothering with this?
Suffice it to say, as noted, here I sit, still in NYC without a freakin’ passport (but amazingly still with my girlfriend- which leads me to wonder if there really are “powers that be” helping us get through this) while wondering if I’m on a government “we hate that guy” list or other, but keeping myself out of trouble to the very best of my abilities. Egad.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

What do you hear about this passport biz and our Homeland Security> Mine’s due to expire soon and I’m afraid to send it in . Thanks, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences with ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round very soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the same substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the results that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same way I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because here it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does work to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, a seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of Oblivion: A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come over right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over the side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before into the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a good job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave miserably into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, taking all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be leaving a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 22, 2006 at 4:21:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t know Ron, I have heard anything as regards homeland security and the passport application, but someone on another list just noted that I am probably flagged somewhere, that the State Department may think I’m planning on going to protest the US war or something. Now that I still haven’t seen a passport yet was told the hold was listed at 2:20 PM on Thursday and that the OVERNIGHT Delivery I’d just paid over the phone that morning would insure that the passport would be getting to me in time to leave according to my “Friday” travel plans – in oh, 24 hours, right? – still hasn’t arrived and I can’t call ’til tomorrow to see what the hold up is, I’m still up in the air as to my plans, and getting suspicious that I am flagged for real. Now, wouldn’t that be interesting, that because I’m a “real” writer, the State Department/US Gov. doesn’t want to admit that’s the case, so is groping for alternative reasons to deny me a passport? Because they don’t want me to write up a nifty litle article about being blacklisted? I don’t think that’s really the case, but still, I think I’d ALMOST be honored to be on a list like that, but not so much that it would relieve the irritation and angst I’m feeling over getting this constant run-around.
BTW, it’s day 15 with no fucking myself over at all, keeping well within my prescribed dosage and no cocaine at all, and no rigs at all. That’s still not a huge time amount in the greater scheme of things (as was amply demonstrated last night by a little freak-out by someone close to me who merely suspected I’d been dabbling again in cocaine- when I wasn’t, which only caused more grief for us both), but I know I’m doing well, and plan on continuing to stay in this space of “doing well” NO MATTER WHAT happens, so am acknowleging publically that I’m sticking to my guns and staying away from the self-destructive patterns I’ve willingly entered so many times in my life- I’m finished with that life. I feel…ah, hell, why am I bothering with this?
Suffice it to say, as noted, here I sit, still in NYC without a freakin’ passport (but amazingly still with my girlfriend- which leads me to wonder if there really are “powers that be” helping us get through this) while wondering if I’m on a government “we hate that guy” list or other, but keeping myself out of trouble to the very best of my abilities. Egad.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston

What do you hear about this passport biz and our Homeland Security> Mine’s due to expire soon and I’m afraid to send it in . Thanks, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences with ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round very soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the same substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the results that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same way I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because here it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does work to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, a seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of Oblivion: A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come over right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over the side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before into the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a good job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave miserably into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, taking all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be leaving a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 22, 2006 at 2:13:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 22.01.2006 um 08:01 schrieb Henk:

Hi,
I am not so sure about these fatalities by LSD intoxication (excluding accidents and suicide indeed)

3-5 deaths is what fire and earth eowid said in basel when giving their talk about lsd-surveys. there was a person present who was tripsitting when someone died after ingesting lsd while lying on a couch. it is not known really if this was lsd intoxication. after 100s of millions of lsd trips it is not surprising that someone dies, could be any causes. still it´s more likely to die from aspirin i guess.

the erowid talk was quiet interesting, hope it will be online soon. apart from that cd and dvd cuts are available.

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: buzzing, synchronicities and miracles
Date: January 22, 2006 at 2:20:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen! Good to hear from you again 🙂

Yeah, the big buzz was *awesome* I felt similarly although my words were
different.

I had the privilege of talking about my Ibo buZZing cleanse with a new
friend I met tonight at an Eckhart Tolle silent meditation. We were talking
about peyote experiences with tribal people (legal) and I mentioned my Ibo
experience…and he was like NO WAY! I’ve been reading this site
Ibeginagain.org because my little brother is a crack addict!

I said, well, I think we should talk 😉 I know some people in Europe 😛

brenda

On 1/21/06 7:41 PM, “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 22, 2006 at 2:03:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cool, dude. Thanx alot. That took a lotta guts.

Good luck with your passport problems!! Keep us posted…

Preston Peet wrote:

Hey Don,
I believe it was you I got snippy with a couple of weeks ago, and I’d like to apologize for my behavior. I asked for commentary good and bad by posting my thoughts and feelings to a public forum, so did not need to take it so personally- if indeed it was you I posted some sort of comments about “not liking very much” or something along those lines due to my taking offense at your comments to me. Since I did that, I’ve been reading posts from you on the ibogaine list and finding a lot to appreciate.
Of course, it might NOT be you, but it was someone named Don and I haven’t seen many other Don’s on this list, so….
😉

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

Be glad you aren’t in the US! Good luck and welcome to the group!!

Guy Bragge wrote:
At last after a few days of being quite confused suddenly mail stated
arriving. I am in Africa and have only recently heard about ibogaine. It
almost sounds to good to be true. I suffer from urges to put substances into
my body and Ibogaine seems to be able to help stop these nasty urges. Is it
true that you suffer almost no withdrawals. Even tho I am in Africa I am
battling to find ibogaine or anybody who works with it.
I will keep looking.
guy

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

go ekki
it’s your birthday
ttink

On 1/16/06, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

just came back from basel. the rave afterwards went until noon today.
hardly sleep since thursday.
yes it´s a shame they didn´t invite any real ibonauts, and i would have
been very happy to meet people from the list.
talking with valerie from maps was depressing, but i met 2 more
like-minded ibogainers, one who had done it in afrika and another one
who is a friend of carl. it was generally a gathering of lots of unique
and very different people and very inspiring. i feel i learned a lot,
stuff i couldn´t read in books or internet. also distributed
sacrament-of-transition-flyers.

laters
ekki

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 22, 2006 at 2:01:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,
I am not so sure about these fatalities by LSD intoxication (excluding accidents and suicide indeed)

Check this : http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Tattoo/,
where is written: “The fatal dose of LSD is fairly enormous compared to the active dose. The drug is active in the hundreds of micrograms range. The only fatalities or near-fatalities from LSD overdose that I know about happened when a quantity of purified LSD in crystal form was mistaken for another drug (cocaine or speed, probably) and was snorted, probably giving the unfortunate user hundreds of doses. (see: this page for details). In the circumstances described in the warning flyers, an overdose would be extremely unlikely, if not impossible. However, even a small dose, given to an unprepared or unwilling subject, could cause enough disorientation to make it dangerous for the subject in situations where hand-eye coordination or attention are necessary for survival (driving a bicycle in traffic, for instance). The emotional upheaval occasionally caused by “bad trips” can possibly lead to suicide, and this risk is heightened if the user doesn’t know what to expect, isn’t accompanied by people who have had experience with psychedelics, or has been dosed without knowing about it.”

I could not find any case of fatal intoxication (chemical) on the net.
Even the above described mistake seems to me very improbable, sounds a bit like the way hashies can be fatal, getting crushed by 1000 kg while unloading.

Henk

ekki wrote:

Am 21.01.2006 um 07:20 schrieb Henk:

A bit off topic, though……
First time I heard about a death by a that is not ibogaine.

there a quite a few deaths know related to hallucinogens/psychedelics, even 5 to lsd (excluding accidents and suicide).

I have my doubts about intoxication being the cause of death,
suppose there could be reasons beyond the scope of traditional science,
as posed in the last line.

Henk

—
Om Shanti, Jai Mataji, Jai Gangama.

Lost and Free Enterprises

http://www.xs4all.nl/~knehnav

http://www.geocities.com/knehnav55/

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 21, 2006 at 10:51:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vibrations… yes… ever since I read the Celestine Prophecy my ultimate
goal is to learn how to “vibrate” off the planet heheheheheh beats the dying
process im sure… lol

—–Original Message—–
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2006 4:42 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —–
From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before
iboga).

I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life, or
God.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 21, 2006 at 10:41:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Maybe the buzzing serves more than one purpose.

When I experienced the buzzing, I felt it was changing
the vibrational frequency of my body to allow me to tune
into other realms,..to connect to the other side.Like helping
the key to fit again.
As we know all of life is vibrating, moving at different
speeds,”the rock is moving”, the higher the speed of vibration
the more solid an object is. I was made light by the change of frequency
of vibration,..allowed me to re-member with the all as many of
us have experienced.

I also experienced the vibrations as cleansing,..vibrating
my cells, so stored up trauma, negativity was being dissipated
moving to the edge and disappearing.

Love those good vibrations.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before iboga).
I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life, or God.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it
Date: January 21, 2006 at 9:56:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Grasshopper,…..what a great name.

love,Jasen
—– Original Message —–
From: grasshopper
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it(OT) from Ron

Guy
Please trust me on this one….. the Klown needed to go….ask Callie….Grasshopper
took his slot. Ron (grasshopper) . Much luck on your journey….these journies are like rolling dice…..one never knows where one will end up , physically or spiritually,
kind of spooky at times considering what is at stake. ron
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 21, 2006 at 9:40:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“This guy pulled me outta the gutter when everybody else had given up”

I am grateful for your friend

The candle still burns.

I love you bro Jasen
—– Original Message —–
From: grasshopper
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

i’m in, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it to Preston
Date: January 21, 2006 at 8:14:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What do you hear about this passport biz and our Homeland Security> Mine’s due to expire soon and I’m afraid to send it in . Thanks, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences with ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round very soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the same substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the results that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same way I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because here it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does work to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, a seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of Oblivion: A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come over right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over the side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before into the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a good job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave miserably into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, taking all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be leaving a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 21, 2006 at 7:46:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

Be glad you aren’t in the US! Good luck and welcome to the group!!

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

go ekki
it’s your birthday
ttink

On 1/16/06, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

laters
ekki

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it
Date: January 21, 2006 at 7:39:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy wrote in part >I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for.<

Hi Guy,
Here are a couple of links to report on a couple of my experiences with ibogaine- but I’m still not clean and am planning another go-round very soon (once I get a straight answer that actually is the truth or makes some kind of sense outta the State Department OR the Passport Application folk, or miracle of miracles, actually get my passport in the mail soon). Please keep in mind if you do visit and read these reports that, as I noted to Tink the other day, we all react a bit differently to any substance including ibogaine, even myself to the same substance each time I’ve tried it. So while I’ve had some very interesting experiences and am positive feeling enough about the results that I do want to try once more, you may not experience it the same way I have.
But best of luck on your early February date.

http://www.drugwar.com/pkickingdrugswithdrugs.shtm

Kicking Drugs with Drugs-
Taking the Left Hand Path
By Preston Peet

“Watch for communications soon from another friend of ours,” the Voice said, almost giggling with glee. “He’s gonna have a number for you to call, to get in touch with some folk doing underground, guerilla ibogaine treatments in NYC, this coming August.”
Immediately I’m feeling all sorts of conflicting emotions. Because here it is, no more talking about wanting to do it, or wondering on this or that email list what the effects are and if it really, really does work to interrupt or cure or help people get over a wide variety of addictions. If it is here in my own city and I can get it at much cheaper rates than were I to fly to some foreign country where it’s either legal or simply not regulated at all yet, how in the hell am I, a seasoned, proud proponent of cognitive liberty and the free taking of powerful mind expanding drugs, a veritable Drug Expert, Author and psychonaut, going to live it down if I chicken out and say, “oh, no thank you”?
snip-

—–

http://www.drugwar.com/lefthandpath2.shtm

Taking the Left Hand Path.
Again
By
Preston Peet
posted at DrugWar.com
April 19, 2005
(Remember Waco!)
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”- Richard Davenport-Hines, The Pursuit of Oblivion: A Global History of Narcotics
“Ugh, hey man,” I gasp into the cell phone between the pounding throbbing of my head and the retching of my guts, “you have to come over right now, right away. I am so sick right now, we cannot wait any longer. Come right now.” I hang up the cell phone and lean back over the side of the bed, throwing up yet more dinner from the night before into the small green bucket V has put next to the bed. She’s not doing a good job at even pretending to be very sympathetic either. “I told you you shouldn’t have done that last one,” she points out as I heave miserably into the bucket, my long hair dragging through the sick.
The Reason and Rhyme This Time
The night before was Wednesday, April 13, 2005. V and I had gone out with her mom to eat at Red Bamboo, my favorite restaurant in NYC, a vegan place that makes the best food ever. Afterwards, we’d gone to Madison Square Garden to see Duran Duran play an excellent show, taking all three of us right back to 1982, where I for one hoped to be leaving a lot of very heavy luggage behind.
snip-

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 21, 2006 at 7:24:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

outta candles but they’re in my thoughts.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

will do budy!!
same for my best friend who is undergoing his first session to the bwiti land at 9pm eastern time
time to go back to the place u came from motherrfuker :]
muahahahaha
love
matt

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To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:39:51 EST

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I get it
Date: January 21, 2006 at 4:06:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL Guy, don;’t feel bad I don’t think you had anything to do with our Resident clown killing himself off…. That was inevitable…..don’t worry, if you’re confused just smile sweetly and nod your head!!!
I’m doing ibo towards the end of Feb so can’t say much but I’m sure the ones who have done it will fill you in on what to expect. Either that or we’ll both return from our Ibo journey disguised as Barney the purple freaky dinosaur or Big Bird or something equally as scary as that rambling incoherently……..
Something to look forward to yeh? Lol
Take care over there
Kirk xx
From: Guy Bragge [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]  Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2006 4:13 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 21, 2006 at 4:19:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Be glad you aren’t in the US! Good luck and welcome to the group!!

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

go ekki
it’s your birthday
ttink

On 1/16/06, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:

laters
ekki

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.
Date: January 21, 2006 at 2:24:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

*kiss

ewwwww… =/

Really nice, dude. THAT was uncalled for.

nruhtra@dsskcorp.com wrote:    i see my nuts are on your chin.. heres a
tissue            whew, thought i was only one who spammed everyone.
klowns have a different affect, but koko’s gone as soon as i can figure
out how to change addie.ron —– Original Message —– From: To:
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:07 PM Subject: [Ibogaine] it was
supposed to be sept.                   but i fucked up and now my one
year no h anniversary will be in feb. whodathunk? i did cold turkey..
but i am very much anticipating doing ibo anywaze. oxycolton
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 21, 2006 at 1:51:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wonder if they tested for tohe (brugmansia = atropine and
scopolamine), which is one of the herbs added tot the basic
ayahuasca mix by some.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:20:46 -0800 Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl> wrote:
A bit off topic, though……
First time I heard about a death by a that is not ibogaine.
I have my doubts about intoxication being the cause of death,
suppose there could be reasons beyond the scope of traditional
science,
as posed in the last line.

Henk

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:08:05 -0800
From: Ken Tupper <ktupper@telus.net>
To: maps_forum@maps.org

I’ve got a question about a recent article about a death
attributed to
“ayahuasca” . . .

The Journal of Analytic Toxicology’s Nov/Dec 2005 issue contains a

case
report about a 25-year-old male who died after consuming “a
preparation
from a South American tree bark, ‘oosca’ (sic), and approximately
4
hours later . . . tryptamines”. The report says he was on a
camping trip
with friends and was found dead in the morning after taking
“herbal
extracts” the night before and going to bed.

There are no details about the specifics of the plants/chemicals
ingested, other than the discussion of the post-mortem
toxicological
analysis. They report that his heart blood contained tryptamines
and
beta carbolines (see abstract below for specifics).

The medical examiner ruled that “the cause of death in this case
was
hallucinogenic amine intoxication, and the manner of death
undetermined”

Is there anyone who has any further details or can comment on this

case
other than what was reported in the article?. Is “hallucinogenic
amine
intoxication” something you’ve heard of before? To your knowledge,

are
the concentrations of “hallucinogenic amines” found in the post-
mortem
consistent with potentially causing fatality?

Some of the reading I’ve been doing about vegetalismo recently
suggests
there are risks acknowledged by ayahuasceros that would not be
recognized within a Western medical paradigm (i.e. supernatural or

spiritual), but are believed to be very real and potentially
harmful to
the point of fatality. Comments on this would be welcome too . . .

Thanks

Kenneth W. Tupper
Ph.D. student
Department of Educational Studies
University of British Columbia

Abstract: A case of a 25-year-old white male who was found dead
the
morning after consuming herbal extracts containing beta-carbolines

and
hallucinogenic tryptamines is presented. No anatomic cause of
death was
found at autopsy. Toxicologic analysis of the heart blood
identified
N,N-dimethyltryptamine (0.02 mg/L), 5-methoxy-N,N-
dimethyltryptamine
(1.88 mg/L), tetrahydroharmine (0.38 mg/L), harmaline (0.07 mg/L),

and
harmine (0.17 mg/L). All substances were extracted by a single-
step
n-butyl chloride extraction following alkalinization with borate
buffer.
Detection and quantitation was performed using liquid
chromatography-electrospray mass spectrometry. The medical
examiner
ruled that the cause of death was hallucinogenic amine
intoxication, and
the manner of death was undetermined.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra.dk ???
Date: January 21, 2006 at 1:14:55 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Indra is the name of a company selling a batch of herbal extract
that was made many years ago. It is considered to be about 20% the
strength of ibogaine HCl. My experience of it is that, taking 5x
the weight compared to ibogaine, the physical side effects are more
pronounced and it lasts longer than ibogaine, due to the other
alkaloids in it. I think it is worthwhile. I think Sara prefers it
for use with methadone withdrawal. I prefer ibogaine HCl at higher
doses because of the lower body load, but am not fighting
addiction.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:19:50 -0800 Crooked Eye
<iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was curious if anyone has used the indra.dk’s whole alkaloid
Iboga extract, and if so, how is the quality?? The price seems
extremely cheap…. Thanks!!
CE

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 21, 2006 at 12:57:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it might in some cases. But habits like that die hard, and
much painful understanding is needed to erase them.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:33:48 -0800 ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
it also doesnīt help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant,
greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be
suffering of
those condition.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 21, 2006 at 12:54:45 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve heard the buzz on ayahuasca and on lsd (long ago, before
iboga).

I’ve always associated it with closeness to the beehive of life, or
God.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:10:13 -0800 brenda brewer
<shakti@photon.net> wrote:
Tux,

I know what you are speaking of, I had a constant very annoying
buzzing that
was compounded by a buzzing in the room I was in.

The big buzz was quite an event – further research I have done
describes as
part of a process of “cracking open the mind” which went down
through my
whole mind/body system – the rewiring process which I feel began
for the
allowing of repressed content to be released. Of course, that was

only the
beginning.

I didn’t get that pink cloud experience some speak of until
recently, like
in the past week. A feeling of soft peace has pervaded my being.

I’m still
integrating things from my session on a daily basis. The craving
did strike
one night while I was stood up by my brother for the 2nd night in
a row – I
was barely holding on to my sanity and I drank. What I learned is

that this
is a process and I’m slowly learning that I don’t have to react to

my
environment. Seems simple but for some reason not so easy for me.

Oh yeah,
I’m a human being. I forgot – I’m remembering now.

But, I still think it is thus far one of the best things I have
ever done
for myself. I’m inspired to begin to keep a journal as the
integration
continues. Haven’t kept a journal in years.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I get it(OT) from Ron
Date: January 21, 2006 at 12:14:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy
Please trust me on this one….. the Klown needed to go….ask Callie….Grasshopper
took his slot. Ron (grasshopper) . Much luck on your journey….these journies are like rolling dice…..one never knows where one will end up , physically or spiritually,
kind of spooky at times considering what is at stake. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Guy Bragge
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30痴, so it goes to show, drugs don稚 discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I知 in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I get it
Date: January 21, 2006 at 10:13:25 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Grasshopper, Don, Kirk, crooked eye and all the rest. I did not mean to get the klown killed off!! Maybe he will be able to communicate from beyond the grave. I was confused and still am a little. I come from Zimbabwe and now live in Johanesburg south Africa. In the last 10 years this country has become riddled with drugs. As a kid there was only grass available down here. No more. We are learning all about the bad aspect of chemicals and the youth here is literally dying! I got caught up in my 30’s, so it goes to show, drugs don’t discriminate.
I am planning on doing the Ibo thing early Feb and I just want to know what I’m in for. Will I also start writing and posting e-mails that ramble and babble aimlessly or does the Ibo some how make sense of them.
Guy

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 21, 2006 at 2:02:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m in, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 21, 2006 at 5:07:36 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 21.01.2006 um 07:20 schrieb Henk:

A bit off topic, though……
First time I heard about a death by a that is not ibogaine.

there a quite a few deaths know related to hallucinogens/psychedelics, even 5 to lsd (excluding accidents and suicide).

I have my doubts about intoxication being the cause of death,
suppose there could be reasons beyond the scope of traditional science,
as posed in the last line.

Henk

From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?]
Date: January 21, 2006 at 1:20:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A bit off topic, though……
First time I heard about a death by a that is not ibogaine.
I have my doubts about intoxication being the cause of death,
suppose there could be reasons beyond the scope of traditional science,
as posed in the last line.

Henk

——– Original Message ——–
Subject:
MAPS: Fatal ayahuasca intoxication?
Date:
Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:08:05 -0800
From:
Ken Tupper <ktupper@telus.net>
To:
maps_forum@maps.org

Hi
I’ve got a question about a recent article about a death attributed to “ayahuasca” . . .
The Journal of Analytic Toxicology’s Nov/Dec 2005 issue contains a case report about a 25-year-old male who died after consuming “a preparation from a South American tree bark, ‘oosca’ (sic), and approximately 4 hours later . . . tryptamines”. The report says he was on a camping trip with friends and was found dead in the morning after taking “herbal extracts” the night before and going to bed.
There are no details about the specifics of the plants/chemicals ingested, other than the discussion of the post-mortem toxicological analysis. They report that his heart blood contained tryptamines and beta carbolines (see abstract below for specifics).
The medical examiner ruled that “the cause of death in this case was hallucinogenic amine intoxication, and the manner of death undetermined”
Is there anyone who has any further details or can comment on this case other than what was reported in the article?. Is “hallucinogenic amine intoxication” something you’ve heard of before? To your knowledge, are the concentrations of “hallucinogenic amines” found in the post-mortem consistent with potentially causing fatality?
Some of the reading I’ve been doing about vegetalismo recently suggests there are risks acknowledged by ayahuasceros that would not be recognized within a Western medical paradigm (i.e. supernatural or spiritual), but are believed to be very real and potentially harmful to the point of fatality. Comments on this would be welcome too . . .
Thanks
Kenneth W. Tupper Ph.D. student Department of Educational Studies University of British Columbia

Sklerov, J., Levine, B., Moore, K.A., King, T. & Fowler, D. (2005). A fatal intoxication following the ingestion of 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine in an ayahuasca preparation. Journal of Analytical Toxicology. 29(8), 838-841.
Abstract: A case of a 25-year-old white male who was found dead the morning after consuming herbal extracts containing beta-carbolines and hallucinogenic tryptamines is presented. No anatomic cause of death was found at autopsy. Toxicologic analysis of the heart blood identified N,N-dimethyltryptamine (0.02 mg/L), 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (1.88 mg/L), tetrahydroharmine (0.38 mg/L), harmaline (0.07 mg/L), and harmine (0.17 mg/L). All substances were extracted by a single-step n-butyl chloride extraction following alkalinization with borate buffer. Detection and quantitation was performed using liquid chromatography-electrospray mass spectrometry. The medical examiner ruled that the cause of death was hallucinogenic amine intoxication, and the manner of death was undetermined.

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] off list/ OT /on list/ Don
Date: January 21, 2006 at 1:11:14 AM EST
To: <SuperBee@TStar.net>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don:
you win. let’s let it go man. i’m as sick as they get. no bones w/ you. whatever you want me to say on list to illustrate the point, i will. i’m too old for it and no glory for me. can we try a different approach? who knows, maybe we were ants in the same colony in our previous lives. what we ( me) (i) is doing is self destructive to all who read this tripe, mine included. ron, peace, please. thanks, we sound like Fred and Ethel Mertz or Ralph and Louise Crandon. i give, uncle!

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ron
Date: January 21, 2006 at 12:11:57 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Crap, bro. Here is the skinny.The “Confused” guy was not talking to you, sorry. My “LMAO” was at Nick, not you,sorry. You are looking like a bigger boob every post. GET ON BOARD. Not every reply is meant for you. Pay attention or resign. STOP the whiney shit and step up.

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
Date: January 20, 2006 at 11:51:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Returned mail: see transcript for details
Date:
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Just wanted you to know
Date: January 20, 2006 at 11:48:40 PM EST
To: whitey@dsskcorp.com

This is a quote.

nruhtra@dsskcorp.com wrote:

i see my nuts are on your chin.. heres a tissue

Can forward the thread if you care about the people who work for you.

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.
Date: January 20, 2006 at 11:40:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Really nice, dude. THAT was uncalled for.

nruhtra@dsskcorp.com wrote:
i see my nuts are on your chin.. heres a tissue

whew, thought i was only one who spammed everyone. klowns have a
different
affect, but koko’s gone as soon as i can figure out how to change
addie.ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.

but i fucked up and now my one year no h anniversary will be in feb.

whodathunk?

i did cold turkey.. but i am very much anticipating doing ibo anywaze.

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.
Date: January 20, 2006 at 11:33:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i see my nuts are on your chin.. heres a tissue

but i fucked up and now my one year no h anniversary will be in feb.

whodathunk?

i did cold turkey.. but i am very much anticipating doing ibo anywaze.

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 20, 2006 at 11:27:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sending positives as we speak. Keep us posted!

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
Groovy guys and groovy chicks, like wow man, dig it. For those of you who do such things, please light a candle for my friend Dave who is going on a journey tonight at about 9 PM. This guy pulled me outta the gutter when everybody else had given up. It is the least I can do to try and pull in as much positivity as I can for him. It would mean a lot to me if yall would help me on this. Love Light and laughter Randy
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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 20, 2006 at 5:04:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

will do budy!!
same for my best friend who is undergoing his first session to the bwiti land at 9pm eastern time
time to go back to the place u came from motherrfuker :]
muahahahaha
love
matt

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:39:51 EST

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Please lght a candle
Date: January 20, 2006 at 3:39:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment( brenda)(OT)
Date: January 20, 2006 at 1:40:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for sharing Brenda. I had a 3-4 day session last summer. I was left unaddicted but as stated b/4, had the hell beat out of me physically when it was over. I was doing bup, switched to oxys for 2 weeks b/c i couldn’t find any short acting opiates in the bible belt. My profession limits where I can go to search these things out and my job limits how long I can take off work. My 55 yr. old body was recovering from full blown open tendon surgery which wore me down and i had just lost my father after going thru a 2 week death penalty case. Saved my client but couldn’t save my ass and relapsed on the bup(wolf in sheep’s clothing). I needed it just to get the strength to crawl out of bed to go to work. Since then it’s been the typical spiral downward, mortgaged to the hilt, dodging bullets here and in the world. Damn sorry about the clown biz. No kidding, I’ve never hit a more sensitive nerve w/ so many people for so many diverse reasons. The old guy groping me under the pancake makeup never got to 1st base and I have always viewed it as one of life’s little side trips. I’ve 12 stepped w/ 15yrs. of sobriety, IBO’d and seen the miraculous detox powers of the drug and thoroughly cooked every receptor in what’s left of my brain. I am amazed I can handle complex litigation w/ whiz kids from Ivy League schools, that I survived prison in my younger days and good people like you embrace me hesitantly to help me one mo’ time. I’m a cynic which turns most off, including me, but I’m inching along. I envy Nick who gets carte blanche w/ this remarkable plant and can get it as long as his wallet will open.. The forum has introduced me to some very kind, gentle professionals that have gone the extra step to help me save my smart mouthed ass.The same can be said for regular junkies like myself. I’ll be the 1st to say I need to read more and hold off on the rants . Predictable apologies for all bad forum behavior and being the perpetual downer I’ve become to be known as in these parts of the woods. ron —– Original Message —– From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment (Ron)

Hi Ron and all,

I’m wanted to share with you that my Ibogaine experience plucked some very
painful memories from my mind and they are GONE. I’m not saying this is
what you need or that Ibogaine will do the same for you but it is a
possibility. As they say, Ibogaine will work with whatever you are ready
for.

It would be nice to see you go for it.

“Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always
ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there is
one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never
otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his
way. I have learned a deep respect for one of Goethe’s couplets:
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. ”

— W.H. Murray, The Scottish Himalayan Expedition

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Off Topic e-mail etiquette tips
Date: January 20, 2006 at 1:59:34 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wish I had this 6 mos. ago. ron, with thanks
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Off Topic e-mail etiquette tips

Found these etiquette rules, which I didn’t know existed, and thought I would pass them on! lol!
Callie

32 most important email etiquette tips:
1. Be concise and to the point 2. Answer all questions, and pre-empt further questions 3. Use proper spelling, grammar & punctuation 4. Make it personal 5. Use templates for frequently used responses 6. Answer swiftly 7. Do not attach unnecessary files 8. Use proper structure & layout 9. Do not overuse the high priority option 10. Do not write in CAPITALS 11. Don’t leave out the message thread 12. Add disclaimers to your emails 13. Read the email before you send it 14. Do not overuse Reply to All 15. Mailings > use the bcc: field or do a mail merge 16. Take care with abbreviations and emoticons 17. Be careful with formatting 18. Take care with rich text and HTML messages 19. Do not forward chain letters 20. Do not request delivery and read receipts 21. Do not ask to recall a message. 22. Do not copy a message or attachment without permission 23. Do not use email to discuss confidential information 24. Use a meaningful subject 25. Use active instead of passive 26. Avoid using URGENT and IMPORTANT 27. Avoid long sentences 28. Don’t send or forward emails containing libelous, defamatory, offensive, racist or obscene remarks 29. Don’t forward virus hoaxes and chain letters 30. Keep your language gender neutral 31. Don’t reply to spam 32. Use cc: field sparingly

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Guess no one has tried the Indra extract??
Date: January 20, 2006 at 12:45:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There was someone a few months back posting about Indra’s Iboga. I do not remember what was said.
I will flip back through some e-mails and see if I can find them though. Seems like someone was waiting on a shipment from them…..maybe……..???? Anyone else remember?
Good luck to you tho….Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Off Topic e-mail etiquette tips
Date: January 20, 2006 at 12:49:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Found these etiquette rules, which I didn’t know existed, and thought I would pass them on! lol!
Callie

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Bad memories, Ibogaine and commitment (Ron)
Date: January 20, 2006 at 8:57:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron and all,

I’m wanted to share with you that my Ibogaine experience plucked some very
painful memories from my mind and they are GONE. I’m not saying this is
what you need or that Ibogaine will do the same for you but it is a
possibility. As they say, Ibogaine will work with whatever you are ready
for.

It would be nice to see you go for it.

“Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always
ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there is
one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never
otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his
way. I have learned a deep respect for one of Goethe’s couplets:
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. ”

— W.H. Murray, The Scottish Himalayan Expedition

I’m going to take my own advice on this because I need a new computer to
work on music! I don’t know how, but this weekend I’m going to the Mac
store to play around.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Guess no one has tried the Indra extract??
Date: January 20, 2006 at 6:49:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was trying to find out how good is http://www.indra.dk ‘s Iboga extract… Does anyone have any experience?? For 25 Eruos a gram, I think it’s worth a try, but I’d like to hear any feedback or at least something, before I would place an order… Can anyone help??
CE

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 19, 2006 at 12:55:18 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

At last after a few days of being quite confused suddenly mail stated
arriving. I am in Africa and have only recently heard about ibogaine. It
almost sounds to good to be true. I suffer from urges to put substances into
my body and Ibogaine seems to be able to help stop these nasty urges. Is it
true that you suffer almost no withdrawals. Even tho I am in Africa I am
battling to find ibogaine or anybody who works with it.
I will keep looking.
guy

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2006 19:53
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel

go ekki
it’s your birthday
ttink

On 1/16/06, ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de> wrote:
just came back from basel. the rave afterwards went until noon today.
hardly sleep since thursday.
yes it´s a shame they didn´t invite any real ibonauts, and i would have
been very happy to meet people from the list.
talking with valerie from maps was depressing, but i met 2 more
like-minded ibogainers, one who had done it in afrika and another one
who is a friend of carl. it was generally a gathering of lots of unique
and very different people and very inspiring. i feel i learned a lot,
stuff i couldn´t read in books or internet. also distributed
sacrament-of-transition-flyers.

laters
ekki

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: LMAO all the way to sobriety
Date: January 20, 2006 at 5:37:25 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, dearest, you’re not the fall guy you’re just our resident Nutty guy… lol who I luv to hate to luv to hate to luv LOL

From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]  Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 9:03 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: LMAO all the way to sobriety

Please keep Donnie laughing if it’ll keep him sober. I don’t mind being the fall guy. grasshopper
—– Original Message —–
From: grasshopper
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

I love you Nickie. Please send me orchids so I can put them on koko’s urn. hoping to conform my behavior to this list of nonconformists. good to hear or read you laugh Donnie. looks like koko came thru in the end before he passed and made someone smile . maybe i was wrong about klowns and they are funny , good people. you guys have beaten me into submission, no mas, no mas. Nickie and Donnie, I need a group hug as well. use a proxy as i may have kooties. respectfully submitted, hat in hand and eyes cast downward. ron, thanks for the love and concern for my welfare. means a bunch comming from heavyweights. grasshopper
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

LMAO!!!  Nick Sandberg wrote:
Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

“Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will I seek
negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise. Look, there is
no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to communicate with
some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please. I’d really like
some connection. Love. Ron”

What do you think?

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: 16 January 2006 20:56
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
will drop handle in the future
—– Original Message —–
From:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] at last i have made contact with some people. D day is the 3rd of feb. Guy. wish me luck
Date: January 20, 2006 at 4:50:04 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

GOOD LUCK AND A BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY TO YOU GUY xxx
From: guybragge@mweb.co.za [mailto:guybragge@mweb.co.za]  Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 10:05 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] at last i have made contact with some people. D day is the 3rd of feb. Guy. wish me luck

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: LMAO all the way to sobriety
Date: January 20, 2006 at 3:02:31 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO!!!

Nick Sandberg wrote:
Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: koko passed w/a stake in his heart (ot)
Date: January 19, 2006 at 10:36:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he was a true klown, mischievous but malevolent. no match for tolerant IBONAUTS.
somefolks like pies in the face, others like sarcasm and others flaunt their sexual adventures in a venue where others are just trying to survive. i’ll miss that red haired dude w/ size 17 shoez, but i killed him when a newcomer got confused. hope homeland security doesn’t get wind of it as he was an agent. a noncombatant, terrorist type. Donnie and Nickie, there’s no international treaty on this. Nickie, watch for SAS, Donnie, Delta Force. I’ll make a few calls but i wield little influence if any. hell, couldn’t save a klownz ass and probably not my own in the end. he thanked his fans, the glue sniffing habit was to large for him anyway and he stayed in denial. Does IBO work for huffers? grasshopper
—– Original Message —–
From: Crooked Eye
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

I can read fucker, so do like I do and open a friggin disposable yahoo account… I check it every few days at least and I haven’t even used 1% of my total storage… If you belong to an email list that has as many retards as this one, it’s good not to use your important, private email to subscribe… I have to delete like 20 emails a day of nonsense so I can get a good page of information, once in a great while… Yet, I don’t bitch cause someone sends a funny clip in an email either… Guess I am just compassionate for people tryin to reach out in whatever way they know how… Stop being such assholes….

bm <bpmal001@gmail.com> wrote:
it also seems iboga does not help people actually read !
big attachments FILL UP small size mail boxes whether you open the email or not it or not . is that too difficult to follow ? 🙂
redirecting ron’s email to spam will only help if your set up does not count spam folder against the storage size of one’s account .

On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Crooked Eye wrote:
Guess the Iboga just doesn’t do much to help peoples tolerance of others..ï¿½ Must be too hard to browse subject headings and delete what you don’t care to read…ï¿½ And I thought I was lazy…ï¿½

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
> Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always askï¿½to just filter out everythingï¿½except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
wrote:
>There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out theirï¿½ï¿½shit,ï¿½like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or whatever.

>Youï¿½can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just blockï¿½ron’sï¿½name and put everything he ever says into the spam folder or haveï¿½itï¿½automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the only who keeps
>attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters virusesï¿½and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter outï¿½everythingï¿½except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.
>
>.:vector:.
>

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From: “guybragge@mweb.co.za” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: [Ibogaine] at last i have made contact with some people. D day is the 3rd of feb. Guy. wish me luck
Date: January 20, 2006 at 4:04:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] KOKO FOUND FLOATING IN EAST RIVER, RED NOSE DOWN
Date: January 20, 2006 at 3:24:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OKAY!!! The FUCKING CLOWN is
FUCKING DEAD!!!!!!!!

Callie

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] KOKO FOUND FLOATING IN EAST RIVER, RED NOSE DOWN
Date: January 20, 2006 at 2:53:19 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i killed the klown @ 10:30 am central. Stake thru the heart when i found out a new comer was confused as a result of my posts. Don is a big boy and can fend for himself. Don’s alright w/ me even if it’s personal now. I hope it’s not. it was a joke about a clown that tried to molest me when i was 6. i d/n want to offend anyone so it’s over unless you guys want to come to the funeral. plastic flowers only, please. i’m sorry it got out of hand. i live in the bible belt of the south in the u.s. so i’m blaming koko for my addiction…it’s Satan. i d/n think all my posts went thru. sorry about this. i wonder how da phuck a clown causes everyone to get their panties in a wad. probably my presentation. THE KLOWN IS TOAST, COAST TO COAST. ne’er anudder woid ’bout him unless someone still has a burr under their saddle. i can’t apologize b/c that’s “what ron does in sitchs like this”, so i snuffed it. he suffered and it was ugly. it’s all a joke gang, never meant to alienate the whole freakin list with morbid humor. i read all kinds of irrelevant bs zinging thru here regularly but never would’ve guessed an aging , pedophilic clown would cause so much controversy among tolerant IBO heads. or maybe not so tolerant. it’s over. maybe one day , i can evolve like Nick and Don and spot these salient issues b/4 they get blown out of size.
goodnight and good luck! grasshopper..they’re green and jump and have a quest for knowledge. some chew tobacco and spit juice in one’s eyes, be warned. don’t think i won’t ice one in a flash if the same thing occurs. appreciate your candor as i do w/ all who throw it back at me, no shit..it’s how one grows or part of the process. mea culpa

—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:
Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not responsible, and insane

Disagree with you big time Don! Ron can write and discuss but Ron is also a junkie, false, scary, not responsible and insane. Koko is an imaginary character, not any part of him is Ron because he is not real!!!!
I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!
Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but every post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!
Callie

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 20, 2006 at 1:35:10 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
LET THE INSANITY GOOD TIMES ROLL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
IT’S ALL NUTZ!!!!
Yours forever crazy as a ……………..something that’s reallyreally fucking lost it hahahahahahahaha
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com]  Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:21 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:
Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not responsible, and insane
Disagree with you big time Don! Ron can write and discuss but Ron is also a junkie, false, scary, not responsible and insane. Koko is an imaginary character, not any part of him is Ron because he is not real!!!!
I think way too much is being made of this clown shit!
Ron, you keep saying you are going to quit posting about the clown but every post still mentions the clown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is making me not want to read any posts from you and that is not good!
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 20, 2006 at 1:20:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:46:15 PM Central Standard Time, rwd3@cox.net writes:
Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not responsible, and insane

From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 19, 2006 at 10:11:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO!!!

Nick Sandberg wrote:
Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown( Don)
Date: January 19, 2006 at 9:45:31 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

peacepipe bro. killed the klown when i confused a newcomer. kudos on your progress which is huge. my bad on germ warfare. email me mano a mano if i can help./ i’m a beleagured PD but have squirreled some knowledge in this deadhead on top of my shoulders. for what’s it worth if anything. we’re kool and my profession gives me some insight into certain matters i hope you don’t need. no fight in me, need to save my energy for the war i wage daily like you do. ron rwd3@cox.net
pax mi amigo. sorry for my bad mouthing.
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown

Ron-
In order for me to “Win”, you would have to stop acting like an idiot and drop the self-defeatist attitude. We are not in a battle, you are not my target, or my foe, or anything else. I don’t know you, hate you or love you, but I do care about you and your progress, or lack thereof.

Kirk made an excellent point, she is “Kirk” and has fun with it. BUT, she is not blaming William Shatner, or Star Trek or Spock or Bones for her struggle.

PUT DOWN THE KLOWN, you retreat there when you give up. Ron can write and discuss, Koko is a junkie, blameless, false, scary, not responsible, and insane. You resurrect him whenever you make a really bad decision, and Ron pays for it with his money, his health, his esteem. You have given credence of “Totally Illogical” decision making to a myth, a figment, a fear. Spock would not approve, ask Captain Kirk..

As for my personal battle, I am down from four half-gallons of Scotch a week to 5 cases of beer. Used to shoot two eighths of meth a week. I outta be dead. Had 48 beers in the fridge Friday at 6pm, there are 14 left. If you don’t aspire to be where I’m at, I certainly understand. I lost my job, and my house in in jeopardy. If anybody wants to point out what an idiot I am, I would never consider it a “Pot Shot”. This is me, I chose to be here and can’t figure out why. This is why I’m here, Ron, not just to seek you out and pick on you. It cracks me up that you think I recovered, joined an addicts mailing list, singled you out, and have waged some sort of war on you and you alone.

Put that in the box with koko. You ain’t that big to me.

Nice to have you here. Good luck. To us both.

Don

koko wrote:
Don:
you are a shining example of what I don’t want to be if I ever get straight. thanks for the reminders. However, each has there own way and you are free to take shots at me everytime I step out on this list. Have at bro’, it’s good target practice for other’s who aren’t as self actualized as you. I can tell by your insightful comments you’ve been straight for a long time and actually appreciate the constructive criticism you always offer. Many thanks. I’m working on my new Mavis Bacon typing program to get in step, lest my font rub you the wrong way. peace, you win and well wishes for the new year, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown

Now, I’m not developed, ahh.Cuckoo for cocoa puffs, gimme a hug, Ron!

brenda brewer wrote:
On 12/30/05 3:28 PM, “slowone@hush.ai” <slowone@hush.ai> wrote:

man, i’m way off.

If you find yourself typing a message in block capital letters
again, that might be a clue that people will react unexpectedly.

Sure. Perhaps,

It may also be a clue that the unexpected folks are not developed enough to
give the most positive feedback to someone who is in pain.

Keep hangin’ in Koko.

brenda

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 19, 2006 at 9:40:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO!!!

Nick Sandberg wrote:
Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: January 19, 2006 at 8:19:33 PM EST
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Peter Hyatt <phyatt1962@hotmail.com> wrote:
good luck! I have tried over and over….

it is an interesting group but it clogs my mail box!

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: January 19, 2006 at 8:19:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Barotama@aol.com wrote:
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: January 19, 2006 at 7:23:20 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You people amaze me, how do you manage to get dressed in the mornings? Lol
Think back to when you “subscribed” there’s a huge clue there as to how to
unsubscribe.. or if you read the bottoms of the emails properly you might
see sum more clues .. like ” Ibogaine List Commands:
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html ”

But if that’s too vague, here ya go.
If you wish to stop emails from Mindvox/Ibogaine list, do this:
Send a blank email to:
ibogaine-unsubscribe@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Peter Hyatt [mailto:phyatt1962@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 11:10 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing

good luck! I have tried over and over….

it is an interesting group but it clogs my mail box!

From: Barotama@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:41:16 EST

unsubscribe

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 19, 2006 at 10:52:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

dramimine worked for a little for me. The first time i took ibo, no
puking. the second, a little-mother’s milk, as they say. i think
you’re right about all the bad shit coming out. the third time, i had
dramimine, ginger root, and a vomit fest, so who knows. the only
thing that calmed my stomach down enough to actually keep anything in
it was good old fashioned weed..
tink

On 1/18/06, Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m not so sure on the effect of motion sickness pills and how they
work. I still threw up with or without them.

My opinion is that nausea is due to some unpleasant past material
coming up. In fact I’m wondering if motion sickness itself is a
similar thing. I used to get travel sick in cars and buses as a
child. It went away as I grew up but it could be because as I got
older the traumatic material was just buried deeper so as not to be as
problematic. The odd time since doing ibogaine traveling has casued
some nuasea. Wether the tablets work or not seems to depend on the
person. I forgot to take them the past few times but I’ll probably
try them next time as I always throw up.

Luke

On 1/15/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

hello beautiful people

i realize this subject has been covered but i dont save my mail

my question:

what is a good anti nausea medicine to be used before ibogaine–something
that has been known to work—-preferably herbal

thanks in advance

love

matt
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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: January 19, 2006 at 5:09:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

good luck! I have tried over and over….

it is an interesting group but it clogs my mail box!

From: Barotama@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:41:16 EST

unsubscribe

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Stop mailing
Date: January 19, 2006 at 3:41:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CH
Date: January 19, 2006 at 4:27:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

curing cluster headache with ibogaine?
i used to have attacks for years, usually hitting at times/days i didn´t do drugs.
since the iboga i never had even one attack of CH.

this just occured to me after visiting http://www.clusterbusters.com/ with all this info about psychedelic cures.

ekki

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 19, 2006 at 4:12:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

a delayed stutter 🙂 I normally only get that on my phone.

On 1/18/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Lol Luke, your email has repetitive sending syndrome… mine gets that…

—–Original Message—–
From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2006 7:26 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience

The first time I did a full dose 20mg per Kg, I didn’t have any
revelations even thought the visuals lasted long, maybe 12 hours or
more. I felt very close to something very important that evaded me
and left me frustrated.

Luke

For the rest of the time, it felt like being in one of those half
waking/dreaming states where your mind keeps trying to make sense of
something elusive, leaving one feeling sort of confused and frustrated.
Perhaps I was trying to force it too much, not sure. My friend had a
little
more visualisation.

Another thing we never experienced was the lowered sleep requirement. I
was
actually looking forward to only needing a few hours sleep a night, but as
far as I can tell, there was no material difference.

Also, I didn’t experience elevated mood after. In fact, I felt mildly (but
distinctly) depressed after the experience, not sure why, but my friend
mentioned that for a couple of days I seemed a little down, which is
unusual, definitely related to the ibogaine. My friend on the other hand
was
fine, and I bounced back after a couple of days.

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form
differs,
although I doubt I’d try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT Koko died peacefully after reading all his fan mail
Date: January 19, 2006 at 2:17:45 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he was enthusiastic to know that peace and serenity awaited him as so delicately displayed by forum members in their correspondence to him. i was one of the last to see him go. the stake in his heart surprised him as he thought he was occasionally making people smile. to me, he just proved a point, that klowns are evil, never funny and IBONAUTS are all self actualized, tolerant w/ outrageous senses of humor. RIP
and he apologized while gasping for air. he died the way he lived, always causing others problems. same koko i met 45 yrs. ago on the kid’s tv show, trying to grope me as he wisphered thru nicotine stained teeth his strained views on the world and how everyone loves a klown. see you in hell koko. grasshopper

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 19, 2006 at 1:19:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brilliant! way to go, Ron.

Brenda 🙂

Guy:
I’m the culprit who spreads off topic Klown venom. you are in the right
place. I’ve just fried so many brain cells , I ramble about this Klown I
once knew early in life. It has nothing to do w/ IBO and now that I”ve
seen
the confusing affect on a newcomer, the klown is history. My bad. You are
in the right place. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Indra.dk ???
Date: January 19, 2006 at 6:19:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was curious if anyone has used the indra.dk’s whole alkaloid Iboga extract, and if so, how is the quality?? The price seems extremely cheap…. Thanks!!
CE

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From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.
Date: January 19, 2006 at 1:49:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

whew, thought i was only one who spammed everyone. klowns have a different affect, but koko’s gone as soon as i can figure out how to change addie.ron
—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.

but i fucked up and now my one year no h anniversary will be in feb.

whodathunk?

i did cold turkey.. but i am very much anticipating doing ibo anywaze.

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) klown’s gone
Date: January 19, 2006 at 1:35:27 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

he just packed and left in the middle of the night. dude was too controversial, like discussing sex while doing IBO while others are trying to stay alive by doing it.
—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
>here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
>trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
>suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
>sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
>will drop handle in the future
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From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Vivienne Elanta
Date: January 19, 2006 at 1:25:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

done, ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Vivienne Elanta” <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

Please take someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this crap!
You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the first huge one a
long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but then you keep
doing it, then you did it again.

Please please please understand that not everyone has cheap, easy access to
find this crap stuck in their email!!! It doesn’t crash my mailbox, I am on
yahoo but when I download my mail, it downloads ___all___ my email, there is no
special setting that says, ‘do not download stupid beer commercials from self
hating addicts?’ I can’t tell it not to download the crap you keep sending, but
I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged for internet
access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to download on a 56K
modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list lives in the
states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless internet access.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

> —–Original Message—–
> From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
> Sent: 16 January 2006 20:56
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
>
>
> This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
> can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
> inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
> >here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
> >trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
> >suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
> >sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
> >will drop handle in the future
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From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) klown’s toast, no attachments, minimal mea culpas
Date: January 19, 2006 at 1:22:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

klown’s gone, it’ll take awhile to eliminate koko from addie as i have to figure it out.
other than it not being relevant, i am yet to figure out why the klown stuff out of all the irrelevant crap that flows thru this wonderful list stirs such passion. good topic for a dissertation someday maybe. Allen Ginsberg once defined hip as tolerant as he lay dying. He generated a couple of good reads, nothing as base as koko. Can I refer to myself as grasshopper from the old Kung Fu tv series or does that push too many buttons? ron, looking for life after IBO. Oh, one study suggests those who dislike the klown are pit bull and rotwieller (sic) owners. I don’t believe that. Cap’n, what say ye? Heard anything ’bout that theory? JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE KIWI TAKE. GROWL, WOOF, WOOF. I DROVE A STAKE THRU KOKO’S HEART JUST TO MAKE SURE. HE NEVER SHOWED AN IMAGE ON A MIRROR IN HIS DRESSING ROOM ANYWAY. ron —– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their shit,
like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or whatever. You
can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just block ron’s
name and put everything he ever says into the spam folder or have it
automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the only who keeps
attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters viruses
and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out everything
except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

.:vector:.

— Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:

Geez!!! You people are mean, he labeled it and gave a warning, and
if you cannot figure out how not to download stuff from every email
sent, then you are open to a shit ton of viruses, spyware, and
adware… You should only open or download stuff from emails that
you totally trust… Anyways, I thought it was funny… Sometimes
it’s nice to show a silly joke to people, but I guess not too many
here with a sense of humor…

Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Please take
someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this crap!
You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the first
huge one a
long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but then
you keep
doing it, then you did it again.

Please please please understand that not everyone has cheap, easy
access to
find this crap stuck in their email!!! It doesn’t crash my mailbox, I
am on
yahoo but when I download my mail, it downloads ___all___ my email,
there is no
special setting that says, ‘do not download stupid beer commercials
from self
hating addicts?’ I can’t tell it not to download the crap you keep
sending, but
I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged for
internet
access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to download on
a 56K
modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list lives in
the
states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless internet
access.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg wrote:

> Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of
anything to say
> but would like some attention you just write the following:
>
> “Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will I
seek
> negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise. Look,
there is
> no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to
communicate with
> some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please. I’d
really like
> some connection. Love. Ron”
>
> What do you think?
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
> > Sent: 16 January 2006 20:56
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size
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> >
> >
> > This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my
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> > can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
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> >
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> > >suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
> > >sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
> > >will drop handle in the future
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From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (ot) LAST GASPS FROM A DIMINISHING KLOWN (to Don from Grasshopper)
Date: January 19, 2006 at 12:37:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Donnie boy:
I usually have my head up my ass as I search for sobriety and answers. I have neither. The further I go in this “game” the more I am aware of what I don’t know. Given that, and your extremely diplomatic request I stop the Klown crap, I will. I hope you find your sense of humor as you stay clean. How long has it been now? I can learn a lot from you. I noticed you cast yourself as “we” in referring to the forum’s request. Good to know you’ve bridged the gap and become one with all others but me. I spend many sleepless nights wondering how I can contribute. If all it takes is knocking off the klown crap to put you on the road to happy recovery , then you’ve got it. Give me a cpl. of posts to figure out how to get koko off my addie and the clown is toast. Are you a mediator or counselor or someone who works w/ others in the field? Your skills are unsurpassed. Now I can’t apologize to the forum because that’s my usual pattern and I would be roundly critized for that, so I’ll simply cease, with regrets for past acts that had a polarizing affect. Other than being off topic, which means it’s not relevant, I’ve pondered why this frigging klown stuff bugs people so much. Klowns scare me and are evil IMHO, but what does a fool named koko know anyway? Should I burn it in effigy or let it die quietly? Grasshopper.—- Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (ot) LAST GASPS FROM A DIMINISHING KLOWN

Ron, didja notice the Klowns head was his ass?

koko wrote:
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why i quit drinking. CAUTION , NOTE SIZE OF SAFE TO OPEN ATTACHMENT. PLEASE USE CARE AS I D/N WANT TO WRECK A PC. ron

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From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 19, 2006 at 12:44:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guy:
I’m the culprit who spreads off topic Klown venom. you are in the right place. I’ve just fried so many brain cells , I ramble about this Klown I once knew early in life. It has nothing to do w/ IBO and now that I”ve seen the confusing affect on a newcomer, the klown is history. My bad. You are in the right place. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

Sorry,I don’t understand what your messages is about.
Thanks Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 18 January 2006 12:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 18, 2006 at 5:03:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not so sure on the effect of motion sickness pills and how they
work. I still threw up with or without them.

Luke

On 1/15/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

hello beautiful people

i realize this subject has been covered but i dont save my mail

my question:

what is a good anti nausea medicine to be used before ibogaine–something
that has been known to work—-preferably herbal

thanks in advance

love

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] The awesome stuff
Date: January 18, 2006 at 6:11:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk,

I’m so glad. I thought back to when I was getting ready for my journey
and I can’t believe difference in how I feel now. I needed a LOT of
reassurance at that time. For me, I did not care about having visions or
meeting the Bwiti or hearing drums. I just wanted to feel better and feel
like I could chart a course in my life again.

And I do. The fog is really starting to lift.

I’m very, very happy for you, remember, everything won’t come overnight
but don’t ever give up 😉

brenda

Thanks for this Brenda….
I think you explained a lot of how I’m feeling right now, even though I’m
still in a positive frame of mind from October’s whatever happened then,
I’m
drowning in debt with no way up at the moment so I am veryyyy impatient
for
Feb!!
Lol
But thanks.. hope springs eternal
Luv
Koiky xxxx

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT Re repetitve mails
Date: January 18, 2006 at 5:45:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Um Oops sorry, unless anyone else is getting the same emails from Mindvox,
looks like my server is playing up……

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2006 11:43 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience

Lol Luke, your email has repetitive sending syndrome… mine gets that…

Luke

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form
differs,
although I doubt I’d try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 18, 2006 at 5:43:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lol Luke, your email has repetitive sending syndrome… mine gets that…

Luke

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form
differs,
although I doubt I’d try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] one last thing
Date: January 18, 2006 at 1:52:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

tonight tonight won’t be just any night
cause every little thing’s gonna be all right
welcome home tinkerbell
so good to see you again

On 1/18/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
here’s yet another tinkism in poetry(?) form

there’s a murmur of waves in the wind tonight
and it envelopes me with a maternal kiss
to the forehead
wishiing me angels on my pillow
and the promise of a new day
a new day in which
i can choose to shine
Or hide in the storm clouds
no matter the actual weather

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 18, 2006 at 1:25:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luke

Another thing we never experienced was the lowered sleep requirement. I was
actually looking forward to only needing a few hours sleep a night, but as
far as I can tell, there was no material difference.

Also, I didn’t experience elevated mood after. In fact, I felt mildly (but
distinctly) depressed after the experience, not sure why, but my friend
mentioned that for a couple of days I seemed a little down, which is
unusual, definitely related to the ibogaine. My friend on the other hand was
fine, and I bounced back after a couple of days.

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form differs,
although I doubt I’d try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] The awesome stuff
Date: January 18, 2006 at 5:06:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for this Brenda….
I think you explained a lot of how I’m feeling right now, even though I’m
still in a positive frame of mind from October’s whatever happened then, I’m
drowning in debt with no way up at the moment so I am veryyyy impatient for
Feb!!
Lol
But thanks.. hope springs eternal
Luv
Koiky xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: shakti@photon.net [mailto:shakti@photon.net]
Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2006 10:06 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] The awesome stuff

Hi guys,

In my post yesterday about what didn’t feel so good in these days after my
journey I negelected to add what WONDERFUL things have transpired. Before
my session I made a list of things I wanted to accomplish – I don’t
remember if I wrote how I want to feel and the best thing how I FEEL about
all the things that I wanted to do and it’s getting better and better.

– I had to cancel my photo shoot for my first single – just could not
handle the thought of being photographed – now I can’t wait!!!!

– I was on the verge of quitting music for some strange reason – now I’ve
worked with Datura and just signed a new collaboration contract with our
producer

– I haven’t finished my knitting project yet but I am asking someone to
help me!

– I’m feeling things come back to life that I thought were gone

– I have hope again. I have dreams again

I guess what I’m saying is I feel like I got my life back since I’ve done
Ibogaine – my life that was slipping away down the drain. I really don’t
know where I would be right now what I would be doing or how I would be
feeling (I shudder to think). I’m so grateful.

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] The awesome stuff
Date: January 18, 2006 at 4:05:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi guys,

– I had to cancel my photo shoot for my first single – just could not
handle the thought of being photographed – now I can’t wait!!!!

– I was on the verge of quitting music for some strange reason – now I’ve
worked with Datura and just signed a new collaboration contract with our
producer

– I haven’t finished my knitting project yet but I am asking someone to
help me!

– I’m feeling things come back to life that I thought were gone

– I have hope again. I have dreams again

brenda

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] twinkly-tink’s latest adventures in never never land
Date: January 18, 2006 at 3:22:20 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Much appreciate reading this Tink, as I’m finding myself really a bit … no, that’s wrong, more than a bit terrified looking at taking ibogaine again, and this time really not in my familiar surroundings. I’m surprised to find just how scared I am about the whole deal, which leads me to wonder why I’m so scared, but I am. So reading your note is positive and optimistic, although I realize of course we all react differently. Still, it’s good for me I think to read someone else’s experience yet another time ’round. My stomach is in knots thinking about the whole voyage, and I mean all aspects as regards “voyage,” both the trip to the Netherlands and the ibogaine too, my nerves going all jangly and twangly.
Thanks.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] twinkly-tink’s latest adventures in never never land

Hello to all, and wow have i missed this cyber insane asylum and
everyone on it!!
I’m still not on line at home, but have found a way to get there every
couple of days, so guess what- y’all are stuck with me again ;] At
least, unil I get this damned carpal tunnel surgery, where after i
will have been tied to a chair by my roommate so i don’t use my arm.
So I am back on terra firma, mostly, having had one of the most
penetrating and cut-through-the-shit-type ibo-launches ever. All hail
the flood…Thought i’d get this down and share a bit about my third
and last(here’s hoping) trip into the great unknown.
Quick update, first, as to how I ended up here again- carpal tunnel
and vicoden. One thing always leads to another, and all of a sudden I
was shooting120mg avenza’s. wuzza. sooooooo…I called on the patron
saints of the lost and sick, and hit the city as soon as possible.
Infriggin’credible.
It took 7 minutes for the ibo to hit me this time. seven minutes and
all of the ookies were gone. I had a brief moment of the “oh shit,
there’s more coming and FAST” freak outs, but was gently and firmly
led to my bed, babbling about how I wanted to sit up for a bit more.
Within the hour, they flooded my ass in no uncertain terms, and I
completely lost my ability to speak in coherent terms what so ever,
slowly sinking into the bed about 20 feet.
being somewhat of a veteran didn’t do me a bit of good, however, and i
went deeper and farther than i ever have, weaving in and out of all of
the insanity that all made sense some how. I’ve never gotten the
whole flashes of my life thing until this time around, and even then
it was amore of a suggestion than a movie like thing.
It’s been 5 days, and i am drag ass, as to be expected, but have a
sudden understanding of myself that i didn’t get the last few times
(hey, Pat- you hit it on the head when you said if you do ibo more
than three times, it’s all on you.). I have a much stonger view on
what i need to do, and where it is i really want to go, and even got a
fucking therapist.
I wanted to thank all of you again for being here on this list.
Knowing that there are people who don’t think I’m completely off my
nut for all of the insanity roaming through my mind is a huge factor
in me being able to work through a bunch of shit.
despite the typical ups and downs and snipes and fights, the love
remains, and that’s what keeps us all going.
or something like that..
more soon-
love
tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 18, 2006 at 12:29:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think it was a total of 26 or 27- I’ll have to ask for sure…4,
then 4, then 4, then I think another total of 10. I’ll find out and
let you know for sure .
It was unbelievable. It worked, and it had a lot to do with being
flooded right out of the gate. Much easier than when i was on the
suboxone or methadone- I got a HELL of a lot more of the whole
spiritual side of the trip this time, as opposed to just writhing in
the sheets dizzy. i threw up a lot this time, too.
how the hell are ya, Howard?
love
tink
On 1/18/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 1/18/06 12:12:56 PM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

i’m still buzzing 5 days later..
tink

What dose did you take?

Howard

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 18, 2006 at 12:52:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

go ekki
it’s your birthday
ttink

laters
ekki

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 18, 2006 at 12:17:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/18/06 12:12:56 PM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

i’m still buzzing 5 days later..
tink

What dose did you take?

Howard

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 18, 2006 at 12:12:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m still buzzing 5 days later..
tink

On 1/17/06, Tuxedo Machine <tuxmachine@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh no, definitely plenty of buzzing sounds, can’t say I associated it with
any laser or cleansing feeling.

From: shakti@photon.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:19:41 -0800 (PST)

Hi,

Good to hear from you – I was wondering what happened to you guys.

Wow. Sounds like you didn’t experience the buzzing – like a laser or some
kind of cleansing.

For intiatory users: does this happen in initiatory sessions? I’m
guessing it happens at higher doses – ?

brenda

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] one last thing
Date: January 18, 2006 at 12:11:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

here’s yet another tinkism in poetry(?) form

TONIGHT
there’s a peculiar taste to the air tonight
an un-tasteable flavour, defying it’s pigeon hole
a heat flash of a tingle
tha crawls slowly from the back of your jaw
it’s not quite pleasant
but not altogether awful
and holds you with
the twisted interest level
of a bad accident you drive past
with deliberately exaggerated caution
and cannot
will not
look away

there’s a lurking demon in my closet tonight
and the crack in the door seems very far away
to close or not to close it, that is the question
whether t’is nobler in the mind’s eye to suffer
or a smarter bet to go to sleep
with my head under my pillow
and forget that I remember
the demon’s name
and that
his number is still written down
somewhere

there’s an undercurrent of hope tonight
and it’s sweeping my feet from under me
but it flows so slowly that i can’t feel
the sand that I’ve built my life on
between my toes
as it moves invisible
back into the sea
from whence it came

There’s a quiet amusement that’s improvng tonight
and finding all of the long hidden ticklish spots
the laughter isn’t quite as boisterous as it once was
but the emotion is twice as strong
and more than real
i think that i might
for once
get some sleep
tonight
love
tink

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] twinkly-tink’s latest adventures in never never land
Date: January 18, 2006 at 11:35:57 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine/was/Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 11:01:51 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/18/06 10:52:11 AM, guybragge@mweb.co.za writes:

Sorry I am a novice on computers and just want to talk to somebody about
Ibogaine. What am I doing wrong ?
Guy

Not asking a question or stating an answer.

Howard

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 10:26:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

sorry was just a silly note. welcome guy, how are you?

Am 18.01.2006 um 14:03 schrieb Guy Bragge:

Sorry,I don’t understand what your messages is about.
Thanks Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 18 January 2006 12:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 8:01:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry I am a novice on computers and just want to talk to somebody about
Ibogaine. What am I doing wrong ?
Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 18 January 2006 08:33
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

it also seems iboga does not help people actually read !
big attachments FILL UP small size mail boxes whether you open the
email or not it or not . is that too difficult to follow ? 🙂
redirecting ron’s email to spam will only help if your set up does
not count spam folder against the storage size of one’s account .

On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Crooked Eye wrote:

Guess the Iboga just doesn’t do much to help peoples tolerance of
others.. Must be too hard to browse subject headings and delete
what you don’t care to read… And I thought I was lazy…

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask
to just filter out everything except text, so nobody could clog up
the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
wrote:
There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their
shit, like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or
whatever.

You can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just
block ron’s name and put everything he ever says into the spam
folder or have it automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the
only who keeps
attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters
viruses and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out
everything except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

.:vector:.

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 8:03:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry,I don’t understand what your messages is about.
Thanks Guy

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 18 January 2006 12:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 8:00:09 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi I am not trying to judge anybody, I just want to talk to somebody about
Ibogaine. I am a novice on computers and apologise if I am doing something
wrong.

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 18 January 2006 12:34
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening

it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 5:33:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it also doesn´t help people who like to judge and devaluate others

Am 18.01.2006 um 07:33 schrieb Sara Glatt:

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 18, 2006 at 1:33:12 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it also doesn’t help people who suffer from being: arrogant, greedy,
stupid,ass.it will just can help you to feel free to be suffering of
those condition.

On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Crooked Eye wrote:

Guess the Iboga just doesn’t do much to help peoples tolerance of
others.. Must be too hard to browse subject headings and delete
what you don’t care to read… And I thought I was lazy…

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask
to just filter out everything except text, so nobody could clog up
the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
wrote:
There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their
shit, like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or
whatever.

.:vector:.

From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 17, 2006 at 7:30:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
> Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always askï¿½to just filter out everythingï¿½except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

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From: bm <bpmal001@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 17, 2006 at 4:29:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it also seems iboga does not help people actually read !
big attachments FILL UP small size mail boxes whether you open the email or not it or not . is that too difficult to follow ? 🙂
redirecting ron’s email to spam will only help if your set up does not count spam folder against the storage size of one’s account .

On Jan 16, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Crooked Eye wrote:
Guess the Iboga just doesn’t do much to help peoples tolerance of others.. Must be too hard to browse subject headings and delete what you don’t care to read… And I thought I was lazy…

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
> Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out everything except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
wrote:
>There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their shit, like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or whatever.

>You can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just block ron’s name and put everything he ever says into the spam folder or have it automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the only who keeps
>attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out everything except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.
>
>.:vector:.
>

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: Tux, buzzing and life 1.5 mos later
Date: January 17, 2006 at 10:10:13 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tux,

I know what you are speaking of, I had a constant very annoying buzzing that
was compounded by a buzzing in the room I was in.

The big buzz was quite an event – further research I have done describes as
part of a process of “cracking open the mind” which went down through my
whole mind/body system – the rewiring process which I feel began for the
allowing of repressed content to be released. Of course, that was only the
beginning.

I didn’t get that pink cloud experience some speak of until recently, like
in the past week. A feeling of soft peace has pervaded my being. I’m still
integrating things from my session on a daily basis. The craving did strike
one night while I was stood up by my brother for the 2nd night in a row – I
was barely holding on to my sanity and I drank. What I learned is that this
is a process and I’m slowly learning that I don’t have to react to my
environment. Seems simple but for some reason not so easy for me. Oh yeah,
I’m a human being. I forgot – I’m remembering now.

But, I still think it is thus far one of the best things I have ever done
for myself. I’m inspired to begin to keep a journal as the integration
continues. Haven’t kept a journal in years.

Have a nice day everyone,

brenda

From: “Tuxedo Machine” <tuxmachine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 17, 2006 at 8:32:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh no, definitely plenty of buzzing sounds, can’t say I associated it with any laser or cleansing feeling.

From: shakti@photon.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:19:41 -0800 (PST)

Hi,

Good to hear from you – I was wondering what happened to you guys.

Wow. Sounds like you didn’t experience the buzzing – like a laser or some
kind of cleansing.

For intiatory users: does this happen in initiatory sessions? I’m
guessing it happens at higher doses – ?

brenda

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 17, 2006 at 2:12:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is a great book.
Published by MAPS.
ISBN 0-9660019-1-5 paperback
and a limited edition, hardcover, probably not available anymore; ISBN 0-9660019-0-7
There is indeed an another book “the secret chief revealed”
More or less the same book with an addition and the secret chiefs real name revealed,
http://www.maps.org/secretchief/

There is another great publication of MAPS.
“Ketamine, dreams and reality ” by Karl Jansen.
ISBN 0-9660019-3-1
About ketamine, a hallucinogenic that strange enough can be addictive
and also is used to break addiction.
It gives a wonderful analyses of addiction.

Henk

Ann B. Mullikin wrote:
Thanks a lot. I am going to order it then. 🙂

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Henk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

I know the book “The Secret Chief” by M. J. Stolaroff
It is about several psycedelics: LSD. MDA, MDMA, mushrooms, ibogaine, mescaline, AYAHUASCA.

Henk

Ann B. Mullikin wrote:
I found a copy of “Secret Chief Revealed” by M. J. Stolaroff at Amazon.Com.. It was $11.00 used,
paperback. This book seems to be about LSD only, is that true?

thanks
ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 17, 2006 at 1:46:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guess the Iboga just doesn’t do much to help peoples tolerance of others.. Must be too hard to browse subject headings and delete what you don’t care to read… And I thought I was lazy…

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
> Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask
>to just filter out everything
>except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
wrote:
>There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their
>shit,
>like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or whatever.

>You
>can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just block
>ron’s
>name and put everything he ever says into the spam folder or have
>it
>automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the only who keeps
>attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters
>viruses
>and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out
>everything
>except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.
>
>.:vector:.
>
>— Crooked Eye wrote:
>
>> Geez!!! You people are mean, he labeled it and gave a warning,
>and
>> if you cannot figure out how not to download stuff from every
>email
>> sent, then you are open to a shit ton of viruses, spyware, and
>> adware… You should only open or download stuff from emails
>that
>> you totally trust… Anyways, I thought it was funny…
>Sometimes
>> it’s nice to show a silly joke to people, but I guess not too
>many
>> here with a sense of humor…
>>
>> Vivienne Elanta wrote: Please take
>> someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this
>crap!
>> You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the
>first
>> huge one a
>> long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but
>then
>> you keep
>> doing it, then you did it again.
>>
>> Please please please understand that not everyone has cheap,
>easy
>> access to
>> find this crap stuck in their email!!! It doesn’t crash my
>mailbox, I
>> am on
>> yahoo but when I download my mail, it downloads ___all___ my
>email,
>> there is no
>> special setting that says, ‘do not download stupid beer
>commercials
>> from self
>> hating addicts?’ I can’t tell it not to download the crap you
>keep
>> sending, but
>> I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged
>for
>> internet
>> access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to
>download on
>> a 56K
>> modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list
>lives in
>> the
>> states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless
>internet
>> access.
>>
>> Please stop. Thank you.
>>
>> Blessed be
>> Vivienne Elanta
>>
>> — Nick Sandberg wrote:
>>
>> > Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of
>> anything to say
>> > but would like some attention you just write the following:
>> >
>> > “Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will

>I
>> seek
>> > negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise.
>Look,
>> there is
>> > no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to
>> communicate with
>> > some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please.
>I’d
>> really like
>> > some connection. Love. Ron”
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Nick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > —–Original Message—–
>> > > From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
>> > > Sent: 16 January 2006 20:56
>> > > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size
>> b/4opening
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with
>what my
>> pc
>> > > can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is
>an
>> > > inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by
>many.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko wrote:
>> > > >here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want

>to
>> > > >trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in
>man
>> > > >suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know

>i’m
>> > > >sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t,

>koko
>> > > >will drop handle in the future
>> > > >—– Original Message —–
>> > > >From:
>> > > >
>> > > >Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 16, 2006 at 10:18:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form differs,

Quicker onset, less physical side effects, in my experience.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:58:04 -0800 Tuxedo Machine
<tuxmachine@hotmail.com> wrote:
A quick report on my ibogaine experience over xmas.

later
added the filtered vinegar solution (which by then was a deep
brown) with
the rest of the mix. Dont ask me for the exact details, my friend

who did
it is a pharmacist and he thought it might help extract a little
more. The
only other difference was using a pinch of citric acid instead of
lemon
juice.

it was a
bad trip, but not particularly pleasant, nor was there any of that

sense of
love or wonder or even the same level of insight I have
experienced with
high quality LSD.

pops up
(just speculating on the possibly erroneous assumption that a
substance
abuser’s response to stress would often be to shoot up rather than

confront
the problem)???

For the rest of the time, it felt like being in one of those half
waking/dreaming states where your mind keeps trying to make sense
of
something elusive, leaving one feeling sort of confused and
frustrated.
Perhaps I was trying to force it too much, not sure. My friend had

a little
more visualisation.

Another thing we never experienced was the lowered sleep
requirement. I was
actually looking forward to only needing a few hours sleep a
night, but as
far as I can tell, there was no material difference.

Also, I didnt experience elevated mood after. In fact, I felt
mildly (but
distinctly) depressed after the experience, not sure why, but my
friend
mentioned that for a couple of days I seemed a little down, which
is
unusual, definitely related to the ibogaine. My friend on the
other hand was
fine, and I bounced back after a couple of days.

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal
form differs,
although I doubt Id try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 10:10:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mindvox filters viruses and other junk now, you could always ask
to just filter out everything
except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

That’s a good idea..

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:29 -0800 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are lots of peeps using webmail to just clean out their
shit,
like google or yahoo, so that they filter the viruses or whatever.

You
can’t really tell POP not to download crap. You could just block
ron’s
name and put everything he ever says into the spam folder or have
it
automatically deleted. As far as I know he’s the only who keeps
attaching crap on purpose. Reading the headers Mindvox filters
viruses
and other junk now, you could always ask to just filter out
everything
except text, so nobody could clog up the lists with junk.

.:vector:.

— Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:

Geez!!! You people are mean, he labeled it and gave a warning,
and
if you cannot figure out how not to download stuff from every
email
sent, then you are open to a shit ton of viruses, spyware, and
adware… You should only open or download stuff from emails
that
you totally trust… Anyways, I thought it was funny…
Sometimes
it’s nice to show a silly joke to people, but I guess not too
many
here with a sense of humor…

Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Please take
someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this
crap!
You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the
first
huge one a
long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but
then
you keep
doing it, then you did it again.

Please please please understand that not everyone has cheap,
easy
access to
find this crap stuck in their email!!! It doesn’t crash my
mailbox, I
am on
yahoo but when I download my mail, it downloads ___all___ my
email,
there is no
special setting that says, ‘do not download stupid beer
commercials
from self
hating addicts?’ I can’t tell it not to download the crap you
keep
sending, but
I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged
for
internet
access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to
download on
a 56K
modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list
lives in
the
states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless
internet
access.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg wrote:

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of
anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

“Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will

I
seek
negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise.
Look,
there is
no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to
communicate with
some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please.
I’d
really like
some connection. Love. Ron”

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with
what my
pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is
an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by
many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko wrote:
here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want

to
trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in
man
suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know

i’m
sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t,

koko
will drop handle in the future
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 10:07:54 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geez!!! You people are mean,

Once Ron’s mail arrived in my web-hosted mailbox, it STOPPED ALL
OTHER MAIL FROM ARRIVING. I.e. all other mail was blocked until I
deleted Ron’s mail. I didn’t have to download it for it to do its
damage.

he labeled it and gave a warning,

His label had no effect, like engraving “watch out” on a bullet
then shooting you in the face.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:07:03 -0800 Crooked Eye
<iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:
Geez!!! You people are mean, he labeled it and gave a warning,
and if you cannot figure out how not to download stuff from every
email sent, then you are open to a shit ton of viruses, spyware,
and adware… You should only open or download stuff from emails
that you totally trust… Anyways, I thought it was funny…
Sometimes it’s nice to show a silly joke to people, but I guess
not too many here with a sense of humor…

Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Please take
someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this crap!
You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the
first huge one a
long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but then

you keep
doing it, then you did it again.

sending, but
I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged
for internet
access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to download
on a 56K
modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list lives

in the
states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless internet

access.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg wrote:

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of
anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

“Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will I

seek
negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise.
Look, there is
no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to
communicate with
some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please. I’d
really like
some connection. Love. Ron”

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what
my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko wrote:
here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want
to
trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in
man
suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know
i’m
sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t,
koko
will drop handle in the future
—– Original Message —–
From:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 16, 2006 at 8:19:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Good to hear from you – I was wondering what happened to you guys.

Wow. Sounds like you didn’t experience the buzzing – like a laser or some
kind of cleansing.

For intiatory users: does this happen in initiatory sessions? I’m
guessing it happens at higher doses – ?

brenda

From: “Tuxedo Machine” <tuxmachine@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] My ibogaine experience
Date: January 16, 2006 at 7:58:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A quick report on my ibogaine experience over xmas.

The 2 of us took it as an extract we made from 10g of rootbark (from Africaphyto) each ie 20g altogether. The process was similar to that described on www.ibogaine.co.uk, except we first rinsed the rootbark a couple of times with a small amount of plain (clear) vinegar, then later added the filtered vinegar solution (which by then was a deep brown) with the rest of the mix. Dont ask me for the exact details, my friend who did it is a pharmacist and he thought it might help extract a little more. The only other difference was using a pinch of citric acid instead of lemon juice.

We took it orally and I guess the first thing to say is it is a rough ride. 24 hours of hallucination and another 24 until we regained our balance and lost the sense of nausea. Definitely not a party drug. I wont say it was a bad trip, but not particularly pleasant, nor was there any of that sense of love or wonder or even the same level of insight I have experienced with high quality LSD.

My experience was a bit different from those I have read previously. My period of visualisation seemed to be very very short, I perceived it as a few minutes. Not sure why, perhaps the reports I read were from substance abusers who may have more repressed feelings to deal with, so more pops up (just speculating on the possibly erroneous assumption that a substance abuser’s response to stress would often be to shoot up rather than confront the problem)???

For the rest of the time, it felt like being in one of those half waking/dreaming states where your mind keeps trying to make sense of something elusive, leaving one feeling sort of confused and frustrated. Perhaps I was trying to force it too much, not sure. My friend had a little more visualisation.

Another thing we never experienced was the lowered sleep requirement. I was actually looking forward to only needing a few hours sleep a night, but as far as I can tell, there was no material difference.

Also, I didnt experience elevated mood after. In fact, I felt mildly (but distinctly) depressed after the experience, not sure why, but my friend mentioned that for a couple of days I seemed a little down, which is unusual, definitely related to the ibogaine. My friend on the other hand was fine, and I bounced back after a couple of days.

Interesting experience, I wonder how taking it in pure crystal form differs, although I doubt Id try it again.

Thanks for the help everyone.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 7:26:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.:vector:.

— Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com> wrote:

Please please please understand that not everyone has cheap, easy
access to
find this crap stuck in their email!!! It doesn’t crash my mailbox, I
am on
yahoo but when I download my mail, it downloads ___all___ my email,
there is no
special setting that says, ‘do not download stupid beer commercials
from self
hating addicts?’ I can’t tell it not to download the crap you keep
sending, but
I end up paying for downloading this dreck because I am charged for
internet
access by the megabyte and then have to wait for this to download on
a 56K
modem. Please please stop already, not everyone on this list lives in
the
states or somewhere where there is cheap nearly limitless internet
access.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg wrote:

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of
anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

“Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will I
seek
negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise. Look,
there is
no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to
communicate with
some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please. I’d
really like
some connection. Love. Ron”

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my
pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko wrote:
here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
will drop handle in the future
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From:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 7:07:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Geez!!! You people are mean, he labeled it and gave a warning, and if you cannot figure out how not to download stuff from every email sent, then you are open to a shit ton of viruses, spyware, and adware… You should only open or download stuff from emails that you totally trust… Anyways, I thought it was funny… Sometimes it’s nice to show a silly joke to people, but I guess not too many here with a sense of humor…

Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Please take someone’s advice at least one time Ron and stop posting this crap!
You’ve done this sooooo many times, after saying sorry for the first huge one a
long time ago, in personal email which thanks for writing but then you keep
doing it, then you did it again.

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg wrote:

> Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
> but would like some attention you just write the following:
>
> “Dear list, this is Ron. I have seen the light! No longer will I seek
> negative attention by clagging up your mailboxes, I promise. Look, there is
> no 2MB attachment fixed to this mail! BUT, I would like to communicate with
> some of you guys. Can maybe someone drop me a line? Please. I’d really like
> some connection. Love. Ron”
>
> What do you think?
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
> > Sent: 16 January 2006 20:56
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
> >
> >
> > This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
> > can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
> > inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko wrote:
> > >here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
> > >trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
> > >suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
> > >sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
> > >will drop handle in the future
> > >—– Original Message —–
> > >From:
> > >
> > >Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad
> > >
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From: Learntwolive@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT New laws by Bush that could effect this forum and others…
Date: January 16, 2006 at 5:58:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

America…the land of the free……as long as you do what we tell you what you can do, say what we tell you what you can say, think the way we want you to think…etc. etc.

In a message dated 01/10/2006 4:45:24 PM Central Standard Time, iboganaut420@yahoo.com writes:
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html

This is just ridiculous…

From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 6:33:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please stop. Thank you.

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— Nick Sandberg <nick227@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:11:49 -0800 koko <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to
trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man
suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m
sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko
will drop handle in the future
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From:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 5:07:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes. Might I suggest, Ron, when in future you can’t think of anything to say
but would like some attention you just write the following:

What do you think?

Nick

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 3:56:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This filled my mailbox agvain. It has nothing to do with what my pc
can handle. Anytime you send a large mail to a list, it is an
inconvenience for some and is considered bad manners by many.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 2:44:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Go to the web page I recommend and download a free pdf copy of the Secret Chief Revealed which does mention ibogaine. Leo Zeff was a proponent of ibogaine.

Howard

In a message dated 1/16/06 1:16:09 PM, think@francomm.com writes:

I found a copy of “Secret Chief Revealed” by M. J. Stolaroff at Amazon.Com.. It was $11.00 used,
paperback. This book seems to be about LSD only, is that true?

thanks
ann
think@francomm.com
—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 1:46:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks a lot. I am going to order it then. 🙂

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Henk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

I know the book “The Secret Chief” by M. J. Stolaroff
It is about several psycedelics: LSD. MDA, MDMA, mushrooms, ibogaine, mescaline, AYAHUASCA.

Henk

Ann B. Mullikin wrote:
I found a copy of “Secret Chief Revealed” by M. J. Stolaroff at Amazon.Com.. It was $11.00 used,
paperback. This book seems to be about LSD only, is that true?

thanks
ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Rapid detoxification RCT from Switzerland.
Date: January 16, 2006 at 2:01:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I hope you are all aware that by forwarding Adrew Byrne’s emails (See below) I’m not in any way supporting nor arguing in any fashion pro- or con- as regards the message contents. I’m merely passing on the information because I it’s both pertinent and interesting for both the DrugWar and ibogaine lists, and someone on each or both lists may get something useful or satisfying out of reading said information.
Hope everyone is doing well.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet (DrugWar list moderator)

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Andrew Byrne
To: ‘Andrew Byrne’
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:05 PM
Subject: Rapid detoxification RCT from Switzerland.

Opioid antagonist detoxification under anaesthesia versus traditional clonidine detoxification combined with an additional week of psychosocial support: A randomised clinical trial. Favrat B, Zimmermann G et al. Drug and Alcohol Dependence 2006 81;2:109-116

Dear Colleagues,
February’s D&A Dependence journal has a feast of items including a randomised trial of rapid versus traditional detox from Switzerland. While there is a trend for more rapid detox patients to be abstinent at 3 months, by 6 and 12 months there is no difference and the relapse rate is over 95% for both groups. This is consistent with a similar trial from Adelaide some years ago.

But this item tells us more about rapid detox than just abstinence outcomes. Of the 70 “mono-dependence” patients who sought detoxification in the trial only 26 out of 36 (72%) randomised to rapid detox actually took the procedure, despite it being free and performed in a general hospital. And of the remaining 34 who were randomised to ‘classical clonidine’ detoxification, only 21 were included in the trial (62%). In each group between 4 and 8 patients just did not turn up on the appointed day while a similar number were excluded because they showed up non-opiates in the pre-treatment urine screen and this trial excluded those using drug other than opiates.

The compliance with oral naltrexone was shown to be very poor despite being offered to all patients. In the clonidine group only 2 started naltrexone, compared to 24/36 in the anaesthesia-assisted patients. Yet the drug was so unpopular that it was only taken for an average of 10.8 days in this latter group, where the company recommends 6 months.

There was a death in the rapid detox group at the 3 month follow-up. The authors state this was probably not related to the treatment, however the treatment obviously did not help this subject. We now know that the choice of detoxification is a risk in itself, regardless of how it is achieved. However, in these low-risk, ‘mono-addicted’ subjects, rapid detox had no benefit except in the short term. It is invasive, costly and in this as other reports, there is a mortality (see ABC link below in which 80 deaths have apparently been reported from a single ‘naltrexone’ clinic).

The ABC had a very revealing naltrexone item on the 7.30 Report on Friday 13th. See http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1547424.htm

Comments by Andrew Byrne ..
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Dependency Medicine,
75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
New South Wales, 2016, Australia
Email – ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
Tel (61 – 2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631
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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1418817.htm
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http://bpresent.com/harry/code/mayo.htm
Author of: “Addict in the Family” and
“Methadone in the Treatment of Narcotic Addiction”
http://www.csdp.org/addict/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/byrne_contents_methadone2.cfm

AATOD Dole-Nyswander Award nominee, Atlanta 2006.

References:
Miotto K, McCann MJ, Rawson RA, Frosch D, Ling W. Overdose, suicide attempts and death among a cohort of naltrexone-treated opioid addicts. Drug and Alcohol Dependence (1997) 45:131-134.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 16, 2006 at 1:29:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Same to Tink along with heart-felt well wishing for her good health and spirits.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea

Matt, I’ve heard of Dramamine and or ginger root. Some people use Zantac and ginger root. O and by the way Matt, Preston, Kirk and all, Tink says hidee ho. Skeeter

From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 1:25:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know the book “The Secret Chief” by M. J. Stolaroff
It is about several psycedelics: LSD. MDA, MDMA, mushrooms, ibogaine, mescaline, AYAHUASCA.

Henk

Ann B. Mullikin wrote:
I found a copy of “Secret Chief Revealed” by M. J. Stolaroff at Amazon.Com.. It was $11.00 used,
paperback. This book seems to be about LSD only, is that true?

thanks
ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 1:15:31 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I found a copy of “Secret Chief Revealed” by M. J. Stolaroff at Amazon.Com.. It was $11.00 used,
paperback. This book seems to be about LSD only, is that true?

thanks
ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 16, 2006 at 12:18:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the best I personally found was dramamine, orange flavored chewable tablets, which though not herbal were much easier to ingest than swallowing some sort of capsule, as my providers were supplying.
The Dramamine was very, very effective and when using that I did not do any throwing up- but when I didn’t use it I did.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: [Ibogaine] spirit of basel
Date: January 16, 2006 at 11:38:00 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

just came back from basel. the rave afterwards went until noon today. hardly sleep since thursday.
yes it´s a shame they didn´t invite any real ibonauts, and i would have been very happy to meet people from the list.
talking with valerie from maps was depressing, but i met 2 more like-minded ibogainers, one who had done it in afrika and another one who is a friend of carl. it was generally a gathering of lots of unique and very different people and very inspiring. i feel i learned a lot, stuff i couldn´t read in books or internet. also distributed sacrament-of-transition-flyers.

laters
ekki

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support
Date: January 16, 2006 at 11:19:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks for the very nice answer nick!

Am 12.01.2006 um 18:26 schrieb Nick Sandberg:

Hey Ekki,

Funny you should mention that. I would love to do more sitting! I seem to be
so active these days. Sometimes I just want to sit and be with my mind
totally. Off to Bali to hang out with Ratu Bagus with my girlfriend next
week anyway. Not sitting but shaking for 8 hours a day and taking tobacco.
It’s similar but not as gruelling as the real 12 hour vipassana sessions
they do down at Gaia House, I imagine.

I guess what I like about Osho is more the space between all the actions and
words. It’s completely amazing. People had all these ideas, and they came to
him, and he just sat them down, thousands at a time, and nattered away for a
couple of hours, about politics, religion, spirituality, whatever. If you
actually listen to what he says, some makes sense, some resonates, some is
utter nonsense. Mostly he contradicts himself all the time. THAT is what I
like about Osho. He didn’t really give a shit about words, and he spoke
enough for like 600 books to be written of his discourses. He just sat there
and bathed people.

I did silent sitting and I did “Who Is In” stuff for days on end. Not weeks,
just days. It was a drag at times, for sure, fun too at others. I figure I
got more from Advaita, but who knows with any of this? What I learned
was…when you look at all these IDEAS about meditations, silent retreats
and all that, it’s like what actually is all this supposed to achieve? This
whole THEORY about who we are, how it isn’t good enough, and how we have to
do this, this, or this to become something else. It’s just childhood
programming, that’s all it is to me. You’re just not good enough! When you
can see the mind for an instant, really see it for what it is, everything’s
cool! Identified with the mind, not identified with it, who gives a shit?
What does it actually matter? (And who is there actually to care?)

Nick

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 7:43:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/16/06 2:00:37 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

http://www.maps.org/books/scr/

Howard

From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Bud Light ad (ot) safe note size b/4opening
Date: January 16, 2006 at 3:11:49 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

here i am. pleeze don’t open if pc can’t handle. don’t want to trash a pc. from my drinking days. all in jest. klown in man suit, koko the demented,tormented and very addicted. i know i’m sick, thought some may want to actually see me, most don’t, koko will drop handle in the future
—– Original Message —–
From:

Subject: Fw: Bud Light ad

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine
Date: January 16, 2006 at 1:59:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is there any info. out there about the work of Dr. Leo Zeff with Ibogaine?

Sara

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] hey all from tink
Date: January 15, 2006 at 11:54:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Back from tripping the light fantasic once again. All is well, as am
I. Carpal tunel surgery on the 7th and no typing til march, but I’ll
be back on line soon.
Love you all
tink

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 6:23:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lol u still trying to figure that one out hahahaha
captkirk@clear.net.nz
ok u got that wench?
Hehehe get bluddy back on line for good would u??????????
Skeeter MAKE HER DO IT
lol
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 16 January 2006 12:01 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea

wo0man…call me….love ya tink which address is your right email??

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 6:01:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wo0man…call me….love ya
tink which address is your right email??

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 6:00:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

well, i’m still seeing in triplicate and have yet to see the end of the trailors.s.s.s..s but have discovered that the third time must be the charm.
AS for nausea and ibo? Ginger root dramimine and DON”T EAT before you do it.
Love to yoou all
supertwinklytink

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 5:48:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Matt, I’ve heard of Dramamine and or ginger root. Some people use Zantac and ginger root. O and by the way Matt, Preston, Kirk and all, Tink says hidee ho. Skeeter

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 4:36:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WHISKEY!!!!
;o)
Always here to help
Kirk :oP
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]  Sent: Monday, 16 January 2006 8:39 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea

hello beautiful people
i realize this subject has been covered but i dont save my mail
my question:
what is a good anti nausea medicine to be used before ibogaine–something that has been known to work—-preferably herbal
thanks in advance
love
matt
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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and nausea
Date: January 15, 2006 at 2:39:29 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: [Ibogaine] test
Date: January 15, 2006 at 3:53:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 12:41:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You have a Greek friend Randy?
;-))
Wish he could get the State Department to get off their ass and send me a passport already, instead of telling me something different each and everytime I’ve called the SD- “You have a hold on your passport application,” “you requested regular speed, meaning you should get it by Feb. 8, in six weeks,” “oops, our records do show you paid expidited fee so let’s send them a message,” “oh, no hold here that I can see so you should get it within three business days,” “oh, yeah, there is too a hold on your application after all, out of Charleston, South Carolina, where your application was sent to be processed,” (Charleston, SC? Why the hell was my application sent to SC, and why would the SC office not want to simply issue the damned passport already?), “Oh, we’ve sent an email to the State Department asking them to give you a ‘same-day’ return call, so since they have 72 hours to reply, we are ‘allowed’ to send them another request for information and a call to you only after that 72 hours has passed, so if you’ve not heard from them by TUESDAY at 9PM, THEN you can call us to ask us to send another request,” and of course “Monday is a federal holiday, and no, we can’t give you the direct number to the State Department where you could actually discuss this with a human being beyond us, who know absolutely nothing and can’t do much for you in terms of speeding this process along, but thanks for spending the extra $60 bucks on the speedy passport application, we’re much obliged.”
Egad.
I’ve actually been doing great all week, since last Saturday night/Sunday morning, when I last injected anything, and so while I keep thinking in the back of my mind, “do I reeeeaaaalllly need to go to the Netherlands,” I do, I just gotta freakin’ do it, or I’m going to go nuts, as will V, simply for the “god, we need a break,” sort of thing, and I’ll always regret NOT going if I don’t just do it- and I woulda already been gone had they simply done their job the way they should and processed my application already. Sounds like a somewhat interesting article- “How An American Citizen Goes About Obtaining a Passport post-Sept. 11, 2001- and Why Non-Drivers are Second Class Citizens.” Why in the hell is a US State Issued ID card not as valid, or at least, classed a “secondary” ID, when it was issued by the NY State DMV office, and I had to have the EXACT same info I woulda needed to get a Drivers License except I didn’t take a driving test. So, anyone who doesn’t drive in the US is not considered as much a citizen as those who do drive, which when I stop to really think about it does actually make sense considering how car-driven our culture here is- “if you don’t drive you must be weird or a liberal city dweller or something, so you’re suspicious.”
This is yet another obsticle that is driving me (scuse the stupid pun please) crazy.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…

That was my Greek friend responding to Lee. I quite agree with him tho……………I didn’t say that…………………………yes I did…………………………………..shut up and take your Thorazine Randy…………………..OK Skeeter

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 1:36:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wull, Hay Yull Skeeter, wai didn’t ewe says soes in thu furst places eyedah bin thar earlier fer that!!!!!
Howz my accent?
Lmao
Luvin’ it LOL
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2006 7:24 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…

Hey grand paw, what’s for breakfast?…………………..We got magic mushroom omlets, from down on the farm……………………….we got deeeeeeeeeeep fried frog legs, giged straight from the pond…………………………….we serve it up nice with DMT tea……………………then you lay down and take 16 per kg……………………………………Yuuuuuuuum Yuuuuuuuuuum ……………Skeeter

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 1:24:04 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 12:25:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO hahahahahaha
I don’t care who said it WHAT ARE WE HAVING?????
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2006 6:24 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 12:23:43 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT Breakfast at tiffany’s or Randy’s…
Date: January 14, 2006 at 12:19:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL what are we having Randy?????
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]  Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2006 6:17 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Eboga Awakening

wake the fuck up already , breakfast is getting cold .

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Eboga Awakening
Date: January 14, 2006 at 12:16:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wake the fuck up already , breakfast is getting cold .

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Update & treatment programs in the ibogaine world
Date: January 13, 2006 at 6:08:54 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, Eboga Network <eboga@elistas.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

I wanted to tell you that i feel very well and am very excited because I have brought back some new treatment information which I will shortly share with the list.

www.my-eboga.info will now be the web site for all provider information as this is a service I provide and is not the object of my own work. The provider list can also be accessed via a link on my own my-eboga resources page.

I want you to know I will help anyone who comes to me and I will not charge anyone except for the cost of the ibogaine – gifts are encouraged in order to help me grow in my work. However I do not work with addiction interruption. So it would be necessary to be completely clean for at least 3 months before you come to see me.

Yours faithfully,

Lee Albert

From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] it was supposed to be sept.
Date: January 13, 2006 at 12:07:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

but i fucked up and now my one year no h anniversary will be in feb.

whodathunk?

i did cold turkey.. but i am very much anticipating doing ibo anywaze.

oxycolton
www.dsskcorp.com/ibidem

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Rite of passage, ibogaine dvd
Date: January 12, 2006 at 4:56:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, I loaned my copy of Rite of Passage to my drug counselor, she is going
to show it to the others in a Team meeting…. and apparently the clinic
doctor is VERY interested in it, and majority of them there want to visit me
during the session to observe LOL gawd can u imagine, a stream of drug
counselors flowing thru yur room whilst undergoing massive transition
hahahahaha, taking temp, blood pressure etc taking notes………well it’s
all for a GOOD cause innit? I think I’ll say yes to my counselor and the
doctor cos I like them both and would be nice to know someone medical with
alternative medicine tendencies can come see me.

Anyway… delay in journey looking like after Feb 20th now.
Hope all is GREAT with you where ever you are.
Kirk xx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support
Date: January 12, 2006 at 2:05:57 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick,
thanks for the personal note btw, I appreciate your laying out your thoughts and feelings more clearly to me, rather than simply coming across as angry at me for some reason.
Yeah, as much as I usually do still find myself disagreeing with your methods to happiness (for yourself they seem fine but not for me, thanks), I do also have a lot of respect and liking for you, as odd as that is. I’m not sure why, but perhaps it IS because you so simply speak your mind, as much as I can hate to read it at most times.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

Hey Ekki,

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 12 January 2006 12:27
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

Am 12.01.2006 um 13:00 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
The other option out there these days for people is to get all new-age
and
neo-Buddhist and start spouting all sorts of ideas about God, Jesus,
bodhisattvas and god knows what
that´s basically what Osho did and he is usually called new-age. i
wonder why you object that if you follow him.

if you sit meditation seriously on a silent retreat with not much sleep
and not much food (zen-style) then you are confronted with lots of
physical and mental pain and demons and anger and you cannot run away
and cannot let it out like in therapy or talk it away either. it´s
quite interesting what happens then. it´s like a naked lunch. you
see´ll what´s on your fork (ie in your mind). Nick, you should try 😉

laters
ekki

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Update on my Process
Date: January 12, 2006 at 12:17:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/12/06 8:42:50 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

while the conference supposed to be international no one out of Europe
was invited to speak about Iboga as a tool for healing and exploration,
as if we don’t exist and our knowledge is not valid because we didn’t
get
funds
from MAPS.

Who from Europe was invited to speak about Iboga?

Howard

NOBODY, as far as I know.

Sara

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support
Date: January 12, 2006 at 12:26:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ekki,

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg@gmx.de]
Sent: 12 January 2006 12:27
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

laters
ekki

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] bits and bobs
Date: January 12, 2006 at 12:26:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee,

Yes, I hope you’re not crazy too! I think you never know with awakening. A lot of the time it inevitably resembles psychosis, as medical people define it, and a lot of people go crazy for a while too. I have been, pretty close anyway. So I think it’s always up in the air for a bit. But I’m sure you’ll be cool. I love to hear from you so please keep checking in.

For me, it’s also good if you can not say things too much like – “the angels told me to do it”. For me, YOU have to take responsibility for what you do, regardless of who tells you what or on what authority. It helps keep the craziness meter down!

Nick
From: Lee Albert [mailto:my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk]  Sent: 12 January 2006 12:40 To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bits and bobs

Thanks Nick for the thumbs up on the spelling! Hopefully I am not crasy. I have never felt so serene in my entire life. Thank god for eboga. Lee Albert
nick227@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>– Original Message – >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:16:22 EST >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the rain song……. Ekki > > >Nick, I tried the link you sent me and what I could get this %&*&^%^…peice > >of shit dial up to fu^$%ing load sounded great. Hard drivin’. I gotta get >a >new computer and DSL or what the fuck ever and go fast. I can’t take this >any >more. Life rocks……..turn it up!!  Randy,  Yeah, Plumps DJs are really top of their game now, if you ask me. I fucking love this whole Breakbeat thing, it’s just so fucking meaty. I tried to book them for a music-meditation thing I’m running in May but they’re in Argentina. The tracks are from a free CD that came with Mixmag a month or two back. If you get dsl I can put some more up.   Preston,  It’s not that I don’t like you, or don’t think you’re a cool guy. I do. It’s just that some of the stuff you do in communication really frustrates me and I just react on you. When we used to mail on this list before, I would get frustrated because you would pick out one little bit of what I way saying, away from the main thrust of it, and create some whole long drama, all “holier than thou” or just self-pitying, all of which would just deflect attention away from where it was before. It’s classic manipulation, man. It’s like THE classic junkie trait. And I see you do it. When Don gives you feedback that you manipulate, straight away you do the same thing.  In the group room, in rehab, you’d get confronted. People would say what they don’t like to you, you’d start trying to deflect attention away, and they’d start shouting, maybe 5 onto 1. You would no longer be able to avoid and eventually you’d just let go and fall into all the feelings that the manipulation was trying to avoid. I know, I’ve been there, plenty of times, on both sides. And it’s good. It’s a great release. Here on the internet things aren’t so confrontational and I have to let a lot of stuff lie, which is tough for me, because I’m a passionate motherfucker about some things. So that’s why I get pissed off. I still like you and I respect what you do in life.   Lee,  When I was in Africa, the priests were called “Nganga” not Nanga. I’m guessing this is what you’re writing about. They pronounced it with a hard first G, like Nnnnn Ganga, not all together like they do with these sorts of words in SE Asia. FYI, the one I met was clearly mad as fuck and, from what i can gather, this is pretty much par for the course in a lot of Bwiti land. It’s a thing with shamanism. In order to be a shaman or healer you have to subscribe to a worldview that is 180 degrees from the reality of the world revealed in awakening experiences. If you’re aware of this then things are cool. If not mostly they just go a bit crazy. That’s what I see, as best I can relate it.  All the best to everyone  Nick    ___________________________________________________________  Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/     /]=———————————————————————=[\ [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%] \]=———————————————————————=[/
From: Vivienne Elanta <vivienneelanta@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Update on my Process
Date: January 12, 2006 at 12:03:35 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nobody, nobody ever is, MAPS in Europe is mostly same as MAPS in all places, it
is all about MAPS and nothing more. There is some study which has go nowhere
for years, same talk, no results.

Bring some of the Bwiti Angels back with you Lee 😉

Blessed be
Vivienne Elanta

— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 1/12/06 8:42:50 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

while the conference supposed to be international no one out of Europe
was invited to speak about Iboga as a tool for healing and
exploration,
as if we don’t exist and our knowledge is not valid because we
didn’t get
funds
from MAPS.

Who from Europe was invited to speak about Iboga?

Howard

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Update on my Process
Date: January 12, 2006 at 11:32:46 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/12/06 8:42:50 AM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

Who from Europe was invited to speak about Iboga?

Howard

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 11:17:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee Albert,

it took me a while to understand but I’m happy that you are willing and
trying to put such an experience into words and speak about it so openly.
this is all very new to me and I thank you for answering me.

Sara,

It was all quite strange. I was tricked into believing that I was wanted
by the Pope to work for Opus Dei dealing with their problems. But first
I had to be interviewed by the whole of Opus Dei. I did not want to be a
part of that organisation and I had Krisnamurti for a guide and he said
that in his life he had been part of many organisations and what matter
was that I help. Also they told me if I joined I could practise my own
spirituality and so in the interview thay asked me a million questions
on God, eboga and healing and kept asking me if I wanted to join Opus
Dei. I kept saying not if I cannot practise my own spirituality and also
I must be my own person belong to no group. They also quizzed me as to
why I condemn those who join and convinced me not to deny anothers
choice in these matters – ie removed my prejudice for others choices. As
time went on they kept wanting me to say yes to join and told me in the
end I had gone through the full church exorcism as if this was the
entrance ritual to opus dei.

This process has exorcised the psychological demons of the RC church
within me and I feel completely free of any RC constraints or RC
perceptions of God. I feel I have moved way beyond it to my true
humanity, sexuality and spirituality.

I never felt possessed and it showed that this ritual is an intellectual
one and not a spiritual one. To be free of demons we need eboga in us.

I have been asked by eboga to work with the RC church to spread eboga
healing via its auspices to all parts of the world as it has 1 billion
members and i believe the RC church will be very open to it.

Lee Albert

PS I have been told to write my name as Lee Albert from now on.

Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Lee, did you feel possesed by the devil or something? or did the church
people told you that you needed
to experience exorcism? do you feel that you are more free then before
and in what ways? also the Catholic Church or Opus Dei do not use iboga in
their rituals, Do you think to advise them to try Ibogaine for
spiritual exploration? Do you think that they are open to a fang bwiti
Nanga? I would love to see people from the Roman Catholic Church trying
Ibogaine and they may just love it just like I do and find it The spirit.
I have a lot more questions but I keep it for the next time.

be well and free.

Sara

Dear List,

I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through
in my eboga awakening process.

I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went through
the complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the Roman
Catholic Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly for my
answers on all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.

After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation
in order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt
in my life and ask for forgiveness.

After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing
myself to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being
as I have now felt my own sexuality.

I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific
emails. When I am finished I will write more to the list.

Love and Light,

Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 10:59:18 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Lee,
I’m a bit confused. Did this take place during an ibogaine session?

Luke

On 1/12/06, Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Luke
Absolutely nothing of the sort. I have no interest whatsoever in Opus Dei
and zero fear of the Church. I feel completely free from all that. It was
part of the Process of freeing me by digging to my very deepest and denied
fears and beliefs. Thanks for your concern though. It lasted about 6 hours
and I spent about 11/2 to 2 hours talking with the Roman Curia who wanted to
see how Eboga and Christianity were connected. What do you think of that? I
also spent about 3 to 4 hours talking to the Pope and in the beginning was
very intimidated but by the end we were simply close and personal friends.
Now what do you think is going on?
Lee

Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Lee,
I have to be honest. I’m worried about you after reading
this and a bit shocked. I don’t see how an organisation like this
that seems like a cult would be benifitial to a persons healing.

I don’t know what’s going on. I know how people opened up to
their truamatic childhoods could be manipulated by other people while
in a vulnerable state. Who are these strangers to tell you to beg for
forgiveness. I hope this is not what is happening.

I looked at this info about Opes Dei. Be carefull man.
http://www.odan.org/questionable_practices.htm

Love
Luke

On 1/11/06, Lee Albert wrote:
Dear List,

I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through
in
my eboga awakening process.

I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went through
the
complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the Roman Catholic
Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly for my answers on
all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.

After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation in
order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt in
my
life and ask for forgiveness.

After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing
myself
to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being as I
have
now felt my own sexuality.

I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific emails.
When I am finished I will write more to the list.

Love and Light,

Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga

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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] A Present from Eboga – url correction
Date: January 12, 2006 at 9:37:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

www.my-eboga.com/Ride-On.MP3

Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Thank you.

www.my-eboga.com/Ride-ON.MP3

Lee Albert

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Update on my Process
Date: January 12, 2006 at 8:42:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

I have been thoroughly enjoying my self as I have entered the seat of my
mind where i saw all that was left in me and I removed any part that I
did not like. I am so very happy that I have found my god and that he
and she are a part of me and that is a fact. I dont care what anyone
else thinks.

Nothing is ever what it seems.

Lee Albert

I was hoping that you will be going to the LSD conference In Basel,

Valerie will be talking about her project In Vancouver which is just in
the air at the moment and is only about Ibogaine treatment for Drug
addiction,
while the conference supposed to be international no one out of Europe
was invited to speak about Iboga as a tool for healing and exploration,
as if we don’t exist and our knowledge is not valid because we didn’t get
funds
from MAPS.

best wishes,
Sara

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] A Present from Eboga
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:59:32 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you.

www.my-eboga.com/Ride-ON.MP3

Lee Albert

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Update on my Process
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:45:36 AM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

I have been thoroughly enjoying my self as I have entered the seat of my mind where i saw all that was left in me and I removed any part that I did not like. I am so very happy that I have found my god and that he and she are a part of me and that is a fact. I dont care what anyone else thinks.

Nothing is ever what it seems.

Lee Albert

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bits and bobs
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:39:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Nick for the thumbs up on the spelling! Hopefully I am not crasy. I have never felt so serene in my entire life. Thank god for eboga.
Lee Albert

nick227@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

>– Original Message —
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:16:22 EST
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the rain song……. Ekki
>
>
>Nick, I tried the link you sent me and what I could get this %&*&^%^…peice
>
>of shit dial up to fu^$%ing load sounded great. Hard drivin’. I gotta get
>a
>new computer and DSL or what the fuck ever and go fast. I can’t take this
>any
>more. Life rocks……..turn it up!!

Randy,

Yeah, Plumps DJs are really top of their game now, if you ask me. I fucking
love this whole Breakbeat thing, it’s just so fucking meaty. I tried to book
them for a music-meditation thing I’m running in May but they’re in Argentina.
The tracks are from a free CD that came with Mixmag a month or two back.
If you get dsl I can put some more up.

Preston,

It’s not that I don’t like you, or don’t think you’re a cool guy. I do. It’s
just that some of the stuff you do in communication really frustrates me
and I just react on you. When we used to mail on this list before, I would
get frustrated because you would pick out one little bit of what I way saying,
away from the main thrust of it, and create some whole long
drama, all “holier than thou” or just self-pitying, all of which would just
deflect attention away from where it was before. It’s classic manipulation,
man. It’s like THE classic junkie trait. And I see you do it. When Don gives
you feedback that you manipulate, straight away you do the same thing.

In the group room, in rehab, you’d get confronted. People would say what
they don’t like to you, you’d start trying to deflect attention away, and
they’d start shouting, maybe 5 onto 1. You would no longer be able to avoid
and eventually you’d just let go and fall into all the feelings that the
manipulation was trying to avoid. I know, I’ve been there, plenty of
times, on both sides. And it’s good. It’s a great release. Here on the internet
things aren’t so confrontational and I have to let a lot of stuff lie, which
is tough for me, because I’m a passionate motherfucker about some things.
So that’s why I get pissed off. I still like you and I respect what you do
in life.

Lee,

When I was in Africa, the priests were called “Nganga” not Nanga. I’m guessing
this is what you’re writing about. They pronounced it with a hard first G,
like Nnnnn Ganga, not all together like they do with these sorts of words
in SE Asia. FYI, the one I met was clearly mad as fuck and, from what i can
gather, this is pretty much par for the course in a lot of Bwiti land. It’s
a thing with shamanism. In order to be a shaman or healer you have to subscribe
to a worldview that is 180 degrees from the reality of the world revealed
in awakening experiences. If you’re aware of this then things are cool. If
not mostly they just go a bit crazy. That’s what I see, as best I can relate
it.

All the best to everyone

Nick

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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:35:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara,

It was all quite strange. I was tricked into believing that I was wanted by the Pope to work for Opus Dei dealing with their problems. But first I had to be interviewed by the whole of Opus Dei. I did not want to be a part of that organisation and I had Krisnamurti for a guide and he said that in his life he had been part of many organisations and what matter was that I help. Also they told me if I joined I could practise my own spirituality and so in the interview thay asked me a million questions on God, eboga and healing and kept asking me if I wanted to join Opus Dei. I kept saying not if I cannot practise my own spirituality and also I must be my own person belong to no group. They also quizzed me as to why I condemn those who join and convinced me not to deny anothers choice in these matters – ie removed my prejudice for others choices. As time went on they kept wanting me to say yes to join and told me in the end I had gone through the full church exorcism as if this was the entrance ritual to opus dei.

This process has exorcised the psychological demons of the RC church within me and I feel completely free of any RC constraints or RC perceptions of God. I feel I have moved way beyond it to my true humanity, sexuality and spirituality.

I never felt possessed and it showed that this ritual is an intellectual one and not a spiritual one. To be free of demons we need eboga in us.

I have been asked by eboga to work with the RC church to spread eboga healing via its auspices to all parts of the world as it has 1 billion members and i believe the RC church will be very open to it.

Lee Albert

PS I have been told to write my name as Lee Albert from now on.

Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Lee, did you feel possesed by the devil or something? or did the church
people told you that you needed
to experience exorcism? do you feel that you are more free then before
and in what ways? also the Catholic Church or Opus Dei do not use iboga in
their rituals, Do you think to advise them to try Ibogaine for
spiritual exploration? Do you think that they are open to a fang bwiti
Nanga? I would love to see people from the Roman Catholic Church trying
Ibogaine and they may just love it just like I do and find it The spirit.
I have a lot more questions but I keep it for the next time.

be well and free.

Sara

Dear List,
>
> I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through
> in my eboga awakening process.
>
> I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went through
> the complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the Roman
> Catholic Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly for my
> answers on all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.
>
> After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation
> in order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt
> in my life and ask for forgiveness.
>
> After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing
> myself to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being
> as I have now felt my own sexuality.
>
> I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific
> emails. When I am finished I will write more to the list.
>
> Love and Light,
>
> Lee Albert
> Bwiti Nanga
>

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:26:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 12.01.2006 um 13:00 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
The other option out there these days for people is to get all new-age and
neo-Buddhist and start spouting all sorts of ideas about God, Jesus,
bodhisattvas and god knows what
thatīs basically what Osho did and he is usually called new-age. i wonder why you object that if you follow him.

if you sit meditation seriously on a silent retreat with not much sleep and not much food (zen-style) then you are confronted with lots of physical and mental pain and demons and anger and you cannot run away and cannot let it out like in therapy or talk it away either. itīs quite interesting what happens then. itīs like a naked lunch. you seeīll whatīs on your fork (ie in your mind). Nick, you should try 😉

laters
ekki

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:14:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luke
Absolutely nothing of the sort. I have no interest whatsoever in Opus Dei and zero fear of the Church. I feel completely free from all that. It was part of the Process of freeing me by digging to my very deepest and denied fears and beliefs. Thanks for your concern though. It lasted about 6 hours and I spent about 11/2 to 2 hours talking with the Roman Curia who wanted to see how Eboga and Christianity were connected. What do you think of that? I also spent about 3 to 4 hours talking to the Pope and in the beginning was very intimidated but by the end we were simply close and personal friends. Now what do you think is going on?
Lee

I looked at this info about Opes Dei. Be carefull man.
http://www.odan.org/questionable_practices.htm

Love
Luke

On 1/11/06, Lee Albert wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through in
> my eboga awakening process.
>
> I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went through the
> complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the Roman Catholic
> Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly for my answers on
> all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.
>
> After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation in
> order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt in my
> life and ask for forgiveness.
>
> After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing myself
> to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being as I have
> now felt my own sexuality.
>
> I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific emails.
> When I am finished I will write more to the list.
>
> Love and Light,
>
> Lee Albert
> Bwiti Nanga

From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:07:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don,

It was not really an RC exorcism. It was an spiritually freeing experience. I went through it in order to break the hold of the RC church over me as all my fears and thoughts in that direction emerged and were healed. Get it?

There is always more than meets the eye. Its intention that counts and the end result.

Lee

Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net> wrote:
Uh ba du dot buh, WHAT??? I thot you went Christian Bhuddist? Something
stinks here. I don’t really think a Roman Catholic exorcism is the best
place to be discovering anything about sexuality. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU
DOING???

Lee Albert wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going
> through in my eboga awakening process.
>
> I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went
> through the complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the
> Roman Catholic Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly
> for my answers on all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.
>
> After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation
> in order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever
> hurt in my life and ask for forgiveness.
>
> After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing
> myself to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human
> being as I have now felt my own sexuality.
>
> I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific
> emails. When I am finished I will write more to the list.
>
> Love and Light,
>
> Lee Albert
> Bwiti Nanga

From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support
Date: January 12, 2006 at 7:00:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,

I’m not angry with you. Sometimes you piss me off. Sometimes other people or
things piss me off. Sometimes I piss me off. Sometimes I let it lie or do
something else with the energy, sometimes I react and just mouth off a bit.

Anger isn’t negativity, man. Negativity is that people get all “I can’t do
it, duh, duh, duh..” or “I’m not good enough….” over and over in a
self-limiting spiral. That’s negativity and it’s just a fucking drag. Anger
isn’t that.

You put out where you are at and you get different types of response coming
back. Maybe where you’re at you can only take in what you consider
supportive. OK, fair enough. But that people are sincere and give you
energy, however it looks in the moment, that’s also really a blessing. As
you get stronger you’ll find you can use the feedback and the guys who give
you a hard time become your friends and you do the same to them.

The other option out there these days for people is to get all new-age and
neo-Buddhist and start spouting all sorts of ideas about God, Jesus,
bodhisattvas and god knows what, all the time just being scared of what you
consider to be your own “negativity”. Lots of people go down this road,
especially coming out of addiction. And it’s also not so bad. I mean they’re
not so much fun to hang out with, but it’s still OK. Personally, I hope you
don’t go there but that’s just my feeling and I don’t know exactly what you
need.

I sincerely hope you can make it to Holland. And if you do then why not
check out the Humaniversity in Egmond-aan-Zee, up on the road to Alkmaar.
Post ibogaine it’s really the best if you ask me.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 11 January 2006 17:25
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

Awww Nick, are you angry at me for some reason? Is this why you are often so

negative rather than supportive when responding to something I’ve written?
“Look at all the lonely people.”

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

Lee,

Anger is anger. You can learn to “re-route” it at a cerebral level and end
up with a nice smiley personality or “spiritual” persona but then you will
never get to experience what it really is, which is actually just the body’s

energy field in expansion. Anger is very cool, in its essence. Used properly

can be a hotline to who you are, regardless of all the myriad feelings we
might wish to judge neg or pos. Misused it’s just lack of awareness. Avoided

it’s incarceration in a nice-looking prison.

Nick

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Albert [mailto:my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 11 January 2006 12:15
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ppeet – Friendship & Support

Hello Preston,

I have come to realise how really nice a person you are and the biggest
lesson I have learned in my process is that the nicer you are the more
people shit on you as it is basically cowards who shit on nice people to
work off their anger and fear. That is why the supreme God and Goddess can
only be spoken to directly by a Buddha. Otherwise they would be eternally
abused as they are the most decent beings in the entire universe.

Do not be disheartened in your process. I see myself in what you are
experiencing now and I am very happy for you that you have truly taken the
path even if you pretend to yourself that it is not what you want.

4 sessions are nothing. I had approx. 105 sessions before my completion of
healing over 7 and a half years approx. You have a long way to go yet I am
afraid but you are right into it at the deep end.

You are both very brave and very decent and this is why you will heal and
then you can sit reading the hate emails that people will write because
their dark entities control them and you will not be in the slightest bit
bothered because you will know what they mean and you will also be living in

heaven on earth. On the other hand others will remain in their own chosen
hell.

Never give up on your decency as that is the way to lose your path. It is
your way to healing and comes from an open and caring heart. That is what is

needed to heal and will cause you incredible pain. This release of pain is
what you must bring into your eboga sessions and eventually you will clear
all the causes – Get It?

Just to let you know I have been named a Nanga of the Fang Bwiti by the
Bwiti Angels.

Sending you much love and friendship,

Lee Albert

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and besides, what in the hell would I do with 72 VIRGINS??!!??
I am not in the slightest…umm, well, maybe a wee little bit….interested
in virgins, thanks very much.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Morning Wood”
To:
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ppeet

if you do decide to kill yourself,
would you mind
holding a (fire proof) sign with the
appropriate logo
while you
light yourself on fire?

Who needs V,
when you can have 72 virgins.

–
How much would you pay for THAT ad space????

“need
loads of hugs or do you need a serious reality
check?”

assuming
they’re seperate….

besides

Spring comes after Winter.

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www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bits and bobs
Date: January 12, 2006 at 6:38:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 12.01.2006 um 10:32 schrieb nick227@tiscali.co.uk:
In the group room, in rehab, you’d get confronted. People would say what
they don’t like to you, you’d start trying to deflect attention away, and
they’d start shouting, maybe 5 onto 1. You would no longer be able to avoid
and eventually you’d just let go and fall into all the feelings that the
manipulation was trying to avoid. I know, I’ve been there, plenty of
times, on both sides. And it’s good. It’s a great release.

recently saw a tv-doku were violent criminals – all murders – took part in such a confrontational therapy in prison. at the end their fragile and sensible personalities behind all the muscles and violence came through. was very interesting. -ekki

From: nick227@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] bits and bobs
Date: January 12, 2006 at 4:32:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Original Message —
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:16:22 EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the rain song……. Ekki

Nick, I tried the link you sent me and what I could get this %&*&^%^…peice

of shit dial up to fu^$%ing load sounded great. Hard drivin’. I gotta get
a
new computer and DSL or what the fuck ever and go fast. I can’t take this
any
more. Life rocks……..turn it up!!

Randy,

Preston,

Lee,

All the best to everyone

Nick

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 12, 2006 at 12:33:00 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m still not entirely decided on whether I think there is a god or not; but if there is, that’s how I’d describe it.

I think I actually came to that conclusion on one of my first acid trips…ehe.

But seriously, I think it really is what Jesus meant. I don’t think he meant that he alone is the son of god. He wanted people to follow his example, so I think when he said “I am the son of god” he meant that everyone is a child of god.

He was against holding services in a temple because the whole universe is the temple. It’s not so much that god is everywhere, but rather that everywhere is god.

Humsns have an often counterproductive habit of anthropomorphisizing everything under the sun… we do it to our pets, cars, computers, and unfortunately cosmic entities too. I think it’s because we still haven’t completely shaken off the idea of humans being at the center of the universe. Once we embrace the realization that we ain’t squat, cosmically speaking, we’ll be a lot better off.

Luke Christoffersen wrote:
I think God is a symbol for everything. he’s not a person but part of
everything and everything is part of God, all time and and people,
history and future all connected. In that way all of us are an
extension of God.
Jesus said the kingdom of god is within us. It’s not out there
seperate, a dude on a throne! Jesus taught important messages of love.
Maybe that’s the unltimate message people need to learn regardless of
beliefs.
These are my thoughts. I used to wonder about these things as a kid,
what it’s all about. I wish I knew there was more to life than ending
up in wooden box 6 feet under. Sorry for being depressing 🙂 For the
moment just gotta enjoy the ride.
Luke
On 1/11/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
If a Deity exists, it has separated from man for a reason. Therefore, no man
can speak for the Deity.
If there is no Deity, then no man can speak for it either.

in EITHER CASE, some friggin’ stupid human is gonna explain this all to us.

There is NO MAN that knows the will of God. “God” and “Gods Willing” cannot
coexist. Either the creation of perfection is, or there is no “Will”. To
insinuate imperfection in a realized creation denies creation at best. Then,
we aren’t here,and this point is moot, hehe.

Lee, whatever awakening you have received, I’d bet that when you penis
became involved, you got off track.

Good thing that never happened to ME, LOL!

Be sane, dude.

Luke Christoffersen wrote:
Hi Lee,
I have to be honest. I’m worried about you after reading
this and a
bit shocked. I don’t see how an organisation like this
that seems like a
cult would be benifitial to a persons healing.
I don’t know what’s going
on. I know how people opened up to
their truamatic childhoods could be
manipulated by other people while
in a vulnerable state. Who are these
strangers to tell you to beg for
forgiveness. I hope this is not what is
happening.
I looked at this info about Opes Dei. Be carefull
man.
http://www.odan.org/questionable_practices.htm
Love
Luke
On
1/11/06, Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dear List,
I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going
through in
my eboga awakening process.
I had a complete church exorcism by
the Opus Dei where they went through the
complete rites of the church
exorcism as practised by the Roman Catholic
Church. What an eyeopener. I was
also quizzed endlessly for my answers on
all manner of questions on healing
and spirituality.
After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of
all creation in
order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had
ever hurt in my
life and ask for forgiveness.
After that I was given
different tasks to perform including allowing myself
to be sexually aroused
and now I feel like a complete human being as I have
now felt my own
sexuality.
I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only
specific emails.
When I am finished I will write more to the list.
Love and
Light,
Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Lee: website??
Date: January 11, 2006 at 8:01:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

V said the same thing this morning. It’s an interesting idea that I just may try.
But, I can’t get a refund on my application, so if it doesn’t work, I lose money in a way I’d rather not, to be really honest about.
But it may come to this anyway, as I’m pretty much willing to try anything, but will give things a few more days perhaps.
And thanks Jeff and Rachel for your inspiration and kind words before, they were read and appreciated, I merely neglected to thank you directly. It was felt here though, the thanks, please believe me.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Lee: website??

Maybe if you buy a plane ticket they will expedite the passport for you. It’s a contorted logic, but I think it works out somehow.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 11, 2006 at 6:24:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lee, did you feel possesed by the devil or something? or did the church
people told you that you needed
to experience exorcism? do you feel that you are more free then before
and in what ways? also the Catholic Church or Opus Dei do not use iboga in
their rituals, Do you think to advise them to try Ibogaine for
spiritual exploration? Do you think that they are open to a fang bwiti
Nanga? I would love to see people from the Roman Catholic Church trying
Ibogaine and they may just love it just like I do and find it The spirit.
I have a lot more questions but I keep it for the next time.

be well and free.

Sara

Dear List,

I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through
in my eboga awakening process.

After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation
in order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt
in my life and ask for forgiveness.

After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing
myself to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being
as I have now felt my own sexuality.

I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific
emails. When I am finished I will write more to the list.

Love and Light,

Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 11, 2006 at 5:12:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think God is a symbol for everything. he’s not a person but part of
everything and everything is part of God, all time and and people,
history and future all connected. In that way all of us are an
extension of God.

Jesus said the kingdom of god is within us. It’s not out there
seperate, a dude on a throne! Jesus taught important messages of love.
Maybe that’s the unltimate message people need to learn regardless of
beliefs.

These are my thoughts. I used to wonder about these things as a kid,
what it’s all about. I wish I knew there was more to life than ending
up in wooden box 6 feet under. Sorry for being depressing 🙂 For the
moment just gotta enjoy the ride.
Luke

On 1/11/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
If a Deity exists, it has separated from man for a reason. Therefore, no man
can speak for the Deity.
If there is no Deity, then no man can speak for it either.

in EITHER CASE, some friggin’ stupid human is gonna explain this all to us.

Lee, whatever awakening you have received, I’d bet that when you penis
became involved, you got off track.

Good thing that never happened to ME, LOL!

Be sane, dude.

I don’t know what’s going
on. I know how people opened up to
their truamatic childhoods could be
manipulated by other people while
in a vulnerable state. Who are these
strangers to tell you to beg for
forgiveness. I hope this is not what is
happening.

I looked at this info about Opes Dei. Be carefull
man.
http://www.odan.org/questionable_practices.htm

Love
Luke

On
1/11/06, Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Dear List,

I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going
through in
my eboga awakening process.

I had a complete church exorcism by
the Opus Dei where they went through the
complete rites of the church
exorcism as practised by the Roman Catholic
Church. What an eyeopener. I was
also quizzed endlessly for my answers on
all manner of questions on healing
and spirituality.

After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of
all creation in
order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had
ever hurt in my
life and ask for forgiveness.

After that I was given
different tasks to perform including allowing myself
to be sexually aroused
and now I feel like a complete human being as I have
now felt my own
sexuality.

I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only
specific emails.
When I am finished I will write more to the list.

Love and
Light,

Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 11, 2006 at 4:58:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

dona nobis pacem

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Lee: website??
Date: January 11, 2006 at 4:55:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Maybe if you buy a plane ticket they will expedite the passport for you. It’s a contorted logic, but I think it works out somehow.

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Awakening of Intelligence Part III
Date: January 11, 2006 at 4:41:33 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If a Deity exists, it has separated from man for a reason. Therefore, no man can speak for the Deity.
If there is no Deity, then no man can speak for it either.

in EITHER CASE, some friggin’ stupid human is gonna explain this all to us.

There is NO MAN that knows the will of God. “God” and “Gods Willing” cannot coexist. Either the creation of perfection is, or there is no “Will”. To insinuate imperfection in a realized creation denies creation at best. Then, we aren’t here,and this point is moot, hehe.

Lee, whatever awakening you have received, I’d bet that when you penis became involved, you got off track.

Good thing that never happened to ME, LOL!

Be sane, dude.

I looked at this info about Opes Dei. Be carefull man.
http://www.odan.org/questionable_practices.htm

Love
Luke

On 1/11/06, Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Dear List,

I am writting to let you know a little of what I have been going through in
my eboga awakening process.

I had a complete church exorcism by the Opus Dei where they went through the
complete rites of the church exorcism as practised by the Roman Catholic
Church. What an eyeopener. I was also quizzed endlessly for my answers on
all manner of questions on healing and spirituality.

After this I was told to pray to the mother and father of all creation in
order to be saved and then I was asked to pray to all I had ever hurt in my
life and ask for forgiveness.

After that I was given different tasks to perform including allowing myself
to be sexually aroused and now I feel like a complete human being as I have
now felt my own sexuality.

I am now in a process of retreat and I am answering only specific emails.
When I am finished I will write more to the list.

Love and Light,

Lee Albert
Bwiti Nanga

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] methadone TO BUP from dumb arse klown
Date: January 11, 2006 at 3:59:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks to all who responded to what i thought was a benign email to the
forum but instead was interpreted as more pity party. man, i’m way off. ron<

I somehow missed most of this thread when it came through, but I wanted to let you know Ron that I’m thinking of you, and hope you do find the relief you seek eventually.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “koko” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com&

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