Ibogaine List Archives - 2004.12-2

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 16, 2004 at 11:59:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/16/04 11:36:52 PM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

<< NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?

THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS.
THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.

WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF
BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN. NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN
YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY. IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE
DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON >>

So why do you think people take ibogaine? For all of the reasons you give.
But, I believe people should have the right to make their own decisions.

Howard

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah AND JASEN AND KIRSTY
Date: December 16, 2004 at 10:35:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

jasen:
at 54 drugs have destroyed my life and may take a career i’ve spent most of my adult life working towards. there are no drugs i can get high on anymore, tolerances built up over yrs. they aren’t an option yet i’m dependent upon them to just function. nothing romantic in “war stories”, just pain and misery to me and those that love me. they suck and i’m very close to bottoming out. problem is, bottom at my age means no second chances, losing all i’ve worked for. if i had the bucks i’d go the ibo although i d/n think it’s indicated for benzos. i’m sure given my history, i’d benefit. of course there’s the destruction of my underinsured house after the hurricane. everyday stuff for normal folks to deal with when not worrying about a habit
drugs have stripped me of all dignity, taken me places i never wanted to go. they have made me a liability when i was once an asset to my community. i have no one to fall back on for help, the wolf is at the door NO PITY PARTY, YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW IT IS?
THAT’S HOW IT IS AT MY AGE. IT HAS LEFT ME SPIRITUALLY BANKRUPT AND SOULESS. THERE YOU GO. ONE NEAT PACKAGE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB.
WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST, I’M BEAT AND IT D/N TAKE LONG AFTER 15 YRS. OF BEING STRAIGHT AND USING AGAIN. NO MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY FROM ME. REJOICE IN YOUR GIFT. I’M KILLING MYSELF, END OF STORY. IF YOU ARE STRAIGHT AND HAVE DOUBTS, GO PICK UP AGAIN. BLESSINGS TO ALL, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hey Ron,
I would have to agree with others on the list.
Stay and tell.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirsty Sutherland
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

If we all came out when we were GETTING well I think there wouldn’t be many on the list!!
I got a long ways to go too…..and I’m staying put…..I’d like it if you stayed Ronny boy…..this is all a part of getting well……. At least that’s what I am finding… seeing people at all different stages is amazing… where else can we get such a vivid picture of addiction at any stage??
Stay…
Kirsty
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]  Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 5:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron
You have to continue to post, we have enought positive energy and we can share it with you. Keep doing the next right thing.
Please continue to post . We need you as you need us. You are remembering us how bad it was out there.
You are helping us in your way too, you are part of our life now, dont’ isolate. That should shall pass.
God bless
Franscis
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

hannah:
i really believe the man is trying to help me. i can’t do anything meaningful sick, got to make a move, pray it’s the right one. i’m currently going nowhere fast, headed for a big crash, feel like hell all the time. my dad’s dying as i write, but so am i. i appreciate your kind thoughts and posts. i will chance a trip to this guy schmooly mentioned on faith, hope my pop’s ok on return and the kind doc who offered to help me really will when i see him. i can’t do it alone. i won’t post unless my situation changes. this forum needs positive energy, i want to be part of that. love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Ron, take what you need from his message (i.e. it is possible, just do it! Actions not words etc) And leave the rest!
Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life….specially if it’s close…
Ron will get there….I think he has to deal with this first…be patient….. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

Ron, This is bullshit. You know that I know several people who offered to help you and you have their #’s So why have you not gotten off your butt and made a trip to see one of them. One is just a days drive from you. No one said they would lock you up.

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.jim
Date: December 16, 2004 at 9:52:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m down monday. he must be a remarkable man. i will take the leap of faith. so going , afraid he c/n help or may change mind, but going just the same. thanks for the advice, it is taken in which the spirit it was given. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jim Hadey
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Hi Ron,

Ron, we all like you, we all have our problems, we understand. Schmoolyboy was nice enough to lead you to a doc who said he would help – GO. It’s a no brainer. The doc said he would help you. You don’t have to walk into his office cold and wondering if he is one of those asshole docs who do not like addicts. You don’t have to worry about him judging you, taking your money and saying sorry can’t help you. I mean no disrespect but it really doesn’t get any better than a doc knowing in advance that you need “that” kind of help and offering to help you. Santa can’t help you, the doc can. Now, you got the name, address and phone number of a doc that said he would help you. Run to the phone and set up an appointment -today. Us on the forum can listen but can only help so much, you got to at least make an appointment. Do you know how many people would jump at a chance like this? Take some action – NOW!!! Please do not take this as disrespect, just think about it. What more do you want? What more can anyone do? It’s your turn, Ron – MOVE. Before it’s too late.
Good luck to you Ron, see the doc before Christmas and before he changes his mind.
It’s up to you now,
– JIM

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
thanks for the invitation but my ego won’t let me be the posterchild for drugs suck. there’s a time to listen and watch.. i’ll come out when i’m getting well, long ways to go.
love, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: The Garden
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

Well, if my father was dying I think that would be taking priority in my life.specially if its close
Ron will get there.I think he has to deal with this firstbe patient.. the time to celebrate with ron will come.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 9:47:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks for the well wishes and back to you my unseen friend. wishing you your peaceful path, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 9:43:51 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you’re right, i have to do it or die. thank you for well wishes. i hope you achieve your worthy goals. peace and a path to it, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Keep us posted Ron, we’re all rooting for you! I hope you enjoy Christmas and the New Year, good luck with everything. You know you can do it-you have to!

Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.Deborah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 9:14:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,
Your comment ,’it sure sounds like you are Ibogainized’
cracked me up,thanks for the laugh.

Yes Iboga/Ibogaine will bring more peace and health to the world.
It is bringing more peace and health to the world.

It is a baptising in action.

I also had a compulsive obsessive disorder that I did not realise.
For example,I would have to be constantly entertained if not then nicely stoned and away.
I would get videos almost every night,nodding in front of the movie,sometimes only getting to see half of it,
or nod off through the whole thing.If I got a litre of ice-cream I would have to eat the lot.

I would see every movie at the cinemas,even down to the boring ones on the chance they were entertaining.
Anything I liked I had to have lots and lots of it, hi Howard. Gee, now I’m making myself laugh.

Ohhh,this music is wonderful,I keep getting these wonderful goosebumps with some of the tunes.
I am listening to music as I write. I am always listening to music.

It is like the Iboga ripped out most of the pain and blockages,the type of pain we all experience in life.
I now have no emotional reason to use heroin,…maybe physical a little,but that I can handle especially when the Iboga/Ibogaine
takes away at least 85% of the physical as well.

You see I know this will pass,the physical,so I can handle it.I don’t like it but I can handle it.
I like where I am at though,no,…LOVE where I am at.The word love seems to vibrate to the same frequency as the Iboga.

Vibrations ,it’s all vibrations.Life is a vibration between good and bad, hot and cold the ying and the yang,
if the opposite did not exist then life could not.What would the good vibrate off. It needs to bounce back.
Don’t know where that came from.My hands are talking.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.Deborah

In a message dated 12/16/04 6:28:02 PM, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:

<< I laid on the grass this morning to absorb some sun,normally I would get
bitten by an ant,or bugged by bees and a fly or two,

not this time it was like the grass was leaning towards me wanting to get
close,not one ant bite,it was like they were happy I was there.

The bees would come over gently like they were saying h

Hi Jasen,

It sure sounds like you are ibogainized. Ibogaine could bring peace and
health to the world or at least a lot more of it. Anyway carrying on with good
energy for the holidays and new year. Be well.

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.Deborah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 7:43:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/16/04 6:28:02 PM, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:

<< I laid on the grass this morning to absorb some sun,normally I would get
bitten by an ant,or bugged by bees and a fly or two,

not this time it was like the grass was leaning towards me wanting to get
close,not one ant bite,it was like they were happy I was there.

The bees would come over gently like they were saying h

Hi Jasen,

It sure sounds like you are ibogainized. Ibogaine could bring peace and
health to the world or at least a lot more of it. Anyway carrying on with good
energy for the holidays and new year. Be well.

Howard

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]re:cigs Julie
Date: December 16, 2004 at 7:10:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

It’s great to hear from you! You sound so positive,
so refreshed, so…REBORN.

Before my 2nd Ibo treatment, I was socially smoking
tobacco. I have never been addicted, per se, but WOW-
cigarettes do work well with alcohol, which in turn
works well with opiates, which work well with…you
know the score.

Post-Ibo I find cigarettes truly repelling. The smell
alone causes me to cringe, I can only imagine what the
taste would do….Here in Toronto, it is now illegal
to smoke in bars and restaurants, which sucks for the
smokers but ROCKS for the rest of us!

My boyfriend is just over 2 months out, but he still
gets cravings quite frequently- usually triggered by a
nice tasty meal, or a nice, tasty[fill in blank].
He’s starting to unlearn the chemical conditioning
patterns his body/mind have accumulated over 10 years
of regular nicotine consumption. I feel for him. In
many ways, I would say nicotine is somewhat harder to
kick than dope- I mean, nicotine is so damn in your
face AND it’s legal. Nicotine is a very pervasive
substance. Toronto is going to pass a bylaw that
prohibits the prominent display of cigs in any kind of
commercial setting- in other words, they must be kept
under the counter at all times, and NOT in anyone’s
visual range.

It’s great to chat with you again. Keep the positive
vibes coming,

Julie
ms_iboga@yahoo.com

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Trip over?
Date: December 16, 2004 at 6:08:37 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My friend is just about to return to Cambridge police station for Bail. He
was ‘caught’ with a few fresh, unprepared mushrooms he had picked-they were
taken off him and he had to spend the night in the cells. He still doesn’t
know what or if they’re considering charging him with!

Its just madness!
Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Trip over?

—– Original Message —–
From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: elite_sociopath@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Trip over?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,1373088,00.html

Trip over?

Magic mushrooms have never been more popular. More than 400 apparently
legal
‘shroom’ shops have sprung up in the past two years, and growing kits have
become a must-have Christmas present. So why has the government suddenly
turned tough on sellers? Stephen Moss investigates

Tuesday December 14, 2004
The Guardian

Six months ago, when the NME described 2004 as “the third summer of love”,
it put the benign mood down to one thing – the return of magic mushrooms.
The drug idolised by cult author and psychologist Timothy Leary in the
1960s – he said that his first experience of mushrooms in Mexico in 1960
taught him more than all his years of study – was back. According to the
NME, which produced a “top tips for top trips” guide, mushrooms were a
safe
alternative to ecstasy, and what’s more – they were legal. It was time to
“turn on, tune in, drop out” all over again.
Except that nobody told the Home Office and the police, which have now
declared war on magic mushrooms. In Gloucester, two local men have been
charged with supplying a class A drug by selling them. It promises to be
the
start of a long and complicated legal battle to determine the status of
Britain’s latest drug of choice. Other cases are pending in Birmingham and
Canterbury – cases which the Home Office hopes will establish once and for
all whether magic mushrooms are innocent, hippy-dippy playthings, or a
menace to be stamped on.
The nation’s mushroom sellers are confused. Two years ago, a more
easy-going
Home Office sent out a letter advising them that “the growing of psilocybe
mushrooms” and their “gathering and possession” did not contravene the
Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. It was not illegal, the letter went on, to sell
or
give away a growing kit, or to sell or give away a freshly picked
mushroom,
“provided that it has not been prepared in any way”. Recipients of the
letter took it as a green light to sell fresh mushrooms, and there are now
an estimated 400 “shroom” shops in the UK.
This distinction – between a fresh mushroom and one that has been
“prepared” – is crucial. It is not an offence to possess or consume a
mushroom, because it occurs naturally, but a psilocybe mushroom contains
the
hallucinogen psilocin and its byproduct psilocybin, both of which are
deemed
to be class A drugs under the 1971 Act. Any “preparation” or any attempt
to
turn the mushroom into a “product” (the Gloucester case and others like it
may hinge on the definition of those words) could constitute the supply of
a
class A drug. Maximum sentence: life imprisonment.
The Home Office has now, in effect, disowned the original softly-softly
guidance note. “The Home Office judges that a mushroom that has been
cultivated, transported to the marketplace, packaged, weighed and labelled
constitutes a product,” reads the latest guidelines. Applied literally,
this
would appear to rule out all trade in magic mushrooms, which at present
are
being cultivated, transported, weighed and sold openly in shops and on
market stalls all over the country. Even grow-kits, which allow you to
grow
your own mushrooms, appear to be ruled out under the Home Office advice –
a
grow-kit, by definition, means cultivation. The tougher guidelines have
led
to a rash of arrests across the country, and to cases that will determine
whether the nascent industry has a future
One retailer caught in the police crackdown was Andy Burgess, who runs the
Headz “alternative gift shop” in Folkestone. Burgess, a former builder, is
61 and admits to being “the oldest swinger in town”. His shop, with its
blue
and purple frontage, is an exotic exception to the drabness of the rest of
the town. It smells of incense, has a large reclining Buddha in the window
and is plastered with leaflets for psychic fayres, spiritual healing and
medieval fencing. Strangely, there is also an advertisement for a model
railway exhibition.
In late September, Burgess had a visit from the local police – and they
hadn’t come for the Indian head massage. “When I arrived here in the
morning, there were two police vans outside my door,” he recalls. “I said
to
a policeman, ‘Do you want to speak to me?’ He said, ‘I’m afraid so.’ There
were at least eight policemen – they were like a Swat team.
“I said, ‘What do you want?’ He said, ‘I want your mushrooms. Where are
they?’ They ended up taking my fridge, all my invoices, all my
paraphernalia
regarding mushroom selling.”
Burgess was arrested on suspicion of supplying a class A drug and spent
the
rest of the day in the cells. He was interviewed, then bailed, but a few
days later he was told that the case had been dropped. No explanation or
apology was offered. “I can’t understand it,” he says. “I can’t understand
why they’re hassling people.” He also sells a range of replica firearms in
his shop, but these do not seem to have excited the interest of the
police.
Burgess has been selling magic mushrooms for seven or eight months to a
wide
range of aficionados: “I get teachers, even policemen coming in to buy
them,” he says. “Most people don’t buy them in large quantities; they buy
a
small amount and share them with their friends to have a giggle. I sell
them
in 30g bags, which is the maximum dose for any one person, but if you do
half of it you just get a giggle. Things may look a bit surreal, but
that’s
as far as it goes. It’s quite harmless.”
Not everyone agrees. “Magic mushrooms are potentially dangerous,” insists
Professor John Henry, an expert in toxicology at Imperial College and St
Mary’s Hospital, London. “They clearly cause hallucinations. The
hallucinations are usually short term, but there is a danger of
flashbacks.”
Professor Henry says mushrooms have contributed to several deaths, with
people suffering hallucinations being killed in accidents. “I advise
people
never to take magic mushrooms as a form of escape. I tell them your
hang-ups
will always chase you. Experienced users might just feel a bit trippy, but
naive users may feel sick, spacy, quite ill. It is also frightening if
they
are fed to you without you knowing. That can be very scary.”
Mushroom sellers, unsurprisingly, refuse to accept that mushrooms can do
long-term damage. Psyche Deli, one of the biggest companies in the
industry,
was started by three people who enjoyed taking mushrooms and decided to
turn
their hobby into a business. They quote a Dutch scientific report that
claims mushrooms are safe. “We never set out to do anything illegal,” says
co-founder Paul Galbraith. “We asked all the requisite authorities what we
were able to do, and it looks like many other traders did the same. Over
the
past two years, although nothing has actually changed in the law, the Home
Office’s interpretation appears to have changed.” Chris Territt, also from
Psyche Deli, argues that it may be the increased size and organisation of
the business – the Home Office is especially exercised by the growing
volume
of imports, mainly from Holland – that has triggered the clampdown.
“The law on magic mushrooms is madness,” says Paul Flynn, Labour MP for
Newport West. “It seems to have been written by somebody who was on a
hallucinogenic drug.” In May, Flynn wrote to Home Office minister Caroline
Flint asking for clarification. Her reply – that the very act of selling
them constitutes “preparation” – showed how far the Home Office had moved
away from its original view that “preparation” meant a change in the
physical nature of the mushroom, turning it into a tea, a paste or a
powder,
for example, to make the effect of the psilocin more concentrated.
The change of heart does not, however, appear to have penetrated the
Metropolitan police, which has so far taken no action in London, where
magic
mushrooms are sold openly in street markets. When I visited a stall in
Portobello Road, business was fairly brisk, with family groups clustered
round the stall choosing from among the mushroom varieties – Mexican,
Colombian, Hawaiian, Thai. Christmas is a busy time, apparently, with
grow-kits rivalling iPods as the must-have present last year.
Flynn is scathing about the government’s handling of the issue. “It’s
crazy:
if you pick them, that’s legal; if you keep them overnight, that’s illegal
because they dry out. The effect of magic mushrooms is minor compared with
other drugs. There is a market for them and it would be better to allow it
to operate. There are plenty of medicinal drugs that cause far more damage
than magic mushrooms. But there are no signs of any intelligence in drug
policy from the government. When they say the word ‘drugs’, you can be
sure
that the word ‘tough’ won’t be far behind.”
Even Professor Henry, while backing a ban on their cultivation, believes
the
law has become hopelessly confused. “They’re not a food – VAT has to be
paid
on them – so what are they? They’re in some other category, but nobody
seems
to know what.”
The VAT issue is vexing to mushroom retailers. In February, one wrote to
Customs and Excise to ask whether he should be charging VAT. It replied
that
he should and was then embarrassed when the retailer made the letter
public.
It appeared that it was levying a tax on a “product” which the Home Office
wanted to ban. Joined-up government it wasn’t.
“We did state that fresh mushrooms were subject to VAT,” says Customs and
Excise spokesman Paul Matthews, “but we are also aware of the Home Office
view that their packaging for sale is illegal. We are really waiting for
case law on this.” Mushroom retailers argue that if VAT is being levied,
the
product per se cannot be illegal; it seems this is not the case. “Just
because something is illegal doesn’t mean that it can’t be taxed,” says
Matthews.
Proponents of magic mushrooms are frustrated at what they see as the Home
Office’s reluctance to consider changing the law, and are critical of a
policy that appears to be based on nudging the police and the courts to
establish precedent. “If someone was going to make policy on this, then
there would at least be a debate,” says Territt, “but currently there is
no
debate. The crown prosecution service is not a relevant authority to be
making health and safety and drugs policy.”

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,ZOE&TOM
Date: December 16, 2004 at 6:05:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara,
How is Zoe and Tom.
Are they ok,has Zoe taken her dose yet.
send them my love.
Love Jasen.
—– Original Message —–
From: sarah
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,

If you have any questions just email me … Kind Regards
—– Original Message —–
From: Sara Glatt
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] RE: Jasen,

Greetings from Jason and me, all is well around here, nothing unexpected until now.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]re:cigs Julie
Date: December 16, 2004 at 6:01:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,
I am having a hard time with the tobacco
as well. I have not smoked tobacco now for 25 days or so.
I think it is the boredom for me ,Whilst waiting to feel better.

Every now and again I look for my tobacco out of habit,
then realise I don’t smoke.

For me it is not craving but more the habit of killing time and doing something with my hands and mouth.

I hope your boyfreind is doing well.

So girl,….How have you been?,you have been quiter than usual.
Love Jasen.

Preston,
My boyfriend just quit smoking with Zyban, and a lot
of willpower…It’s been 5 weeks, and he’s still
having cravings. God, do they ever go away???
I wish you the best of luck in your journey.
luv Julie

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.Deborah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 5:28:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Deborah,
I used to have a friend at school called Deborah,she was beautiful,I miss her.
Another christmas baby,you are a capricorn like me.

In chinese astrology I am the Serpent.Born 25 12 65.

Great choice to see Sara,somehow Sara just seems to tune into your needs,she is lovley.
I am sure their are other providers that are also lovley, kind, giving and just want to help.

The Euro is quite powerful as you know. For 100 Australian you get 60 euro(approx).
Magic mushrooms are about 14 euro,a rolled joint in a coffe shop is 3 to 5 euro.
Thats about all I bought. Of course,..all strictly medicinal.

I laid on the grass this morning to absorb some sun,normally I would get bitten by an ant,or bugged by bees and a fly or two,
not this time it was like the grass was leaning towards me wanting to get close,not one ant bite,it was like they were happy I was there.
The bees would come over gently like they were saying h

I live in Brisbane Queensland.I grew up in Sydney came to Brisbane 17 years ago to get away from the gear and of course
found it up here.

I am to high on being opiate free to come down,you cannot bring me down unless I choose to be down,life is to bright at the moment.
Please write whatever you want,it’s all good.

I recieve healing from everyone on the list through their postings,regardlewss of the content,it is life we are living.
I like the all of it.
love Jasen.

—– Original Message —–
From: Deborah Vincent
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.

Dear Jasen,
Its So great to hear your strong true voice.. So great for you to be free!! Im So happy for you and positively green with envy! Oh!!! To have a choice! To be able to travel on the spur of the moment! Sheer bliss surely! The liquid handcuffs are really dragging me down, destroying my teeth , stomach and sleep patterns!! Im so over the whole thing! The great conspiracy! But hopefully by march Ill be in your place Im hoping to be able to visit Sara in Feb. Can you tell me what the exchange rate is- Aust$ to Euro?
Im living in Melbourne.. Dear downtown St.Kilda. Where in Aust. are you Jasen? When youre totally better Id love to have a chat about the whole eboga trip! Im pretty much in the same boat that youd been rowing…
Smoking fags at 9. Tripping & smoking grass at 12 when my folks split. Addicted to heroin on and off since 15 when I bailed out of school and home. Then as an adult, cocaine for 5 years instead of hammer… Totally Clean for 2 x 3 yr periods …I used to have awesome self restraint.. I could just quit! I resisted going on the methadone programme forever – then broke down and gave in in 2001 when my body Really decided it didnt want to hang out any more… Id get admitted to hospital every time I try these days. 47 on Christmas day and so depressed.
But I dont want to bring you down.. I wanted to say Bravo Jasen!! Be Strong and Well and Victorious!!! and Merry Christmas!!! Happy New Year The first day of the first year of your new adult life! Make every minute count!
Love Deborah

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] US CA: Outbreak!
Date: December 16, 2004 at 4:03:39 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: “Tim Meehan” <fc697@ncf.ca>
To: <cmap@mapinc.org>; <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <editor@mapinc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] US CA: Outbreak!

Source: East Bay Express (CA)
Contact: letters@eastbayexpress.com
Website: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/
Feedback: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/feedback/
Address: 1335 Stanford Ave., Emeryville, CA 94608
Fax: (510) 601-0217
Copyright: 2004 New Times
Pubdate: Dec 15, 2004
Author: K.L. Capozza

Webpage: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2004-12-15/cityside.html

Outbreak!

A rare heroin-related disease strikes the Bay Area

On November 29, the first of several disoriented, apparently drowsy people
wandered into Bay Area county hospitals with slurred speech, drooping eyelids,
and difficulty swallowing. By December 2, at least three patients were paralyzed
above the waist and required mechanical ventilation.

The mysterious, rapidly progressing illness turned out to be wound botulism — a
rare disease caused by a toxin in C. botulinum bacteria. Alameda and San
Francisco county public health officials immediately notified the California
Department of Health Services of the outbreak, which later alerted the federal
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Like most recent victims of wound botulism, these six patients have one
characteristic in common: They are all black-tar heroin users who contracted the
toxin-releasing bacteria from a dirty drug batch.

Botulism cases always raise alarm because C. botulinum is not only a
bioterrorism agent but a particularly nasty bug. Exposed victims experience
rapid descending paralysis, or gradual loss of muscle control beginning with the
smaller muscles in the head and moving downward.

By the time three of the six patients — one of whom is an Alameda County
resident — made it to San Francisco General Hospital, they were in critical
condition. In the coming weeks — or even months — they will need
around-the-clock intensive care while an antitoxin slowly unbinds neurotoxin
from their muscles. All told, the outbreak could cost taxpayers hundreds of
thousands of dollars.

Wound botulism is a primarily Californian disease. The state has 75 percent of
the cases in the United States, which in turn has 90 percent of the cases
reported across the globe. The illness was virtually unheard of prior to 1988,
but since then California has seen a twenty-fold increase in infections. Experts
at the California Department of Health Services believe the recent surge in
cases can be explained by two related developments in the heroin-using
community: the increase in popularity of black-tar heroin from Mexico, and the
practice of “skin popping,” or injecting heroin into soft tissue rather than
veins. Repeated injections cause abscesses to form, creating a favorable climate
for neurotoxin-producing bacteria like C. botulinum.

Last month’s deluge of botulism infections likely represents only a fraction of
the cases that the state’s hospitals can expect to see in 2005. On average, 22
cases emerge each year and cost an estimated $4.5 million in health-care
expenses. Public health officials would like to find a way to stem the trend,
but because heroin users are hard to reach and because their habit is illegal,
prevention efforts have been largely ineffectual.

“Not using isn’t always a reasonable option to these individuals, and once they
have wound botulism, you can’t do much about it,” says Dr. Erica Pan, head of
San Francisco’s Bioterrorism and Infectious Disease Emergencies Unit. “It’s
frustrating from a public health perspective.”

Yet there is evidence that one approach could drastically cut wound botulism
cases and a host of other negative effects associated with heroin use, including
crime, homelessness, and HIV and hepatitis C infection: Controlling addicts’
heroin supply. Under this strategy, public agencies would buy “clean” heroin and
offer it to addicts in regulated, prescribed doses so they don’t have to rely on
an unsafe street product.

While many people are uneasy about the prospect of local government getting into
the business of dispensing heroin, there is growing support for the idea —
especially abroad. The Netherlands and Switzerland have already tested
prescription-heroin treatment programs and seen impressive results. A five-year
study of Switzerland’s program — which has existed since 1992 — found crime
had dropped by 60 percent and unemployment by 50 percent. Significant public
funds were saved thanks to a reduction in legal costs, imprisonment, and disease
treatment after the program commenced.

This remarkable success inspired Canada to fund its own prescription-heroin
pilot study, which will begin early next year. But here in the United States,
support for the idea has been tepid at best. Critics of the approach —
including drug czar John Walters — say it encourages drug dependence and robs
addicts of the opportunity to kick their habit.

Ideology aside, the Swiss and Dutch experiments do show that it’s simply more
cost-effective to regulate heroin use than to punish it. “The cost of providing
heroin treatment is truly pennies on the dollar compared to the alternative,”
says Daniel Abrahamson, the Oakland-based director of legal affairs for the Drug
Policy Alliance. More important, he argues, prescription-heroin programs help
intractable addicts return to normal, productive lives and, in some cases, to
eventually give up the drug altogether.

“When you prescribe pure, known levels of heroin to individuals, you enable them
to not spend every waking moment of their life figuring out how to get their
next hit — it frees up time to figure out how to get well,” he says.

That currently isn’t an option for the six patients who contracted wound
botulism last month. As they recover in the coming weeks, they will be
discharged and, as statistics overwhelmingly suggest, will likely return to
their old habits. They may even contract wound botulism a second or third time,
as some addicts have in the past.

“The question is really: ‘This problem exists, so what do you do?'” Abrahamson
argues. “One option is to look at the very strong medical and scientific
research that heroin maintenance reduces disease, crime, and the suffering of
addictive people.”

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] Trip over?
Date: December 16, 2004 at 4:00:30 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: Vigilius Haufniensis
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: elite_sociopath@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] Trip over?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,1373088,00.html

Trip over?

Magic mushrooms have never been more popular. More than 400 apparently legal ‘shroom’ shops have sprung up in the past two years, and growing kits have become a must-have Christmas present. So why has the government suddenly turned tough on sellers? Stephen Moss investigates

Tuesday December 14, 2004
The Guardian

Six months ago, when the NME described 2004 as “the third summer of love”, it put the benign mood down to one thing – the return of magic mushrooms. The drug idolised by cult author and psychologist Timothy Leary in the 1960s – he said that his first experience of mushrooms in Mexico in 1960 taught him more than all his years of study – was back. According to the NME, which produced a “top tips for top trips” guide, mushrooms were a safe alternative to ecstasy, and what’s more – they were legal. It was time to “turn on, tune in, drop out” all over again.
Except that nobody told the Home Office and the police, which have now declared war on magic mushrooms. In Gloucester, two local men have been charged with supplying a class A drug by selling them. It promises to be the start of a long and complicated legal battle to determine the status of Britain’s latest drug of choice. Other cases are pending in Birmingham and Canterbury – cases which the Home Office hopes will establish once and for all whether magic mushrooms are innocent, hippy-dippy playthings, or a menace to be stamped on.
The nation’s mushroom sellers are confused. Two years ago, a more easy-going Home Office sent out a letter advising them that “the growing of psilocybe mushrooms” and their “gathering and possession” did not contravene the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. It was not illegal, the letter went on, to sell or give away a growing kit, or to sell or give away a freshly picked mushroom, “provided that it has not been prepared in any way”. Recipients of the letter took it as a green light to sell fresh mushrooms, and there are now an estimated 400 “shroom” shops in the UK.
This distinction – between a fresh mushroom and one that has been “prepared” – is crucial. It is not an offence to possess or consume a mushroom, because it occurs naturally, but a psilocybe mushroom contains the hallucinogen psilocin and its byproduct psilocybin, both of which are deemed to be class A drugs under the 1971 Act. Any “preparation” or any attempt to turn the mushroom into a “product” (the Gloucester case and others like it may hinge on the definition of those words) could constitute the supply of a class A drug. Maximum sentence: life imprisonment.
The Home Office has now, in effect, disowned the original softly-softly guidance note. “The Home Office judges that a mushroom that has been cultivated, transported to the marketplace, packaged, weighed and labelled constitutes a product,” reads the latest guidelines. Applied literally, this would appear to rule out all trade in magic mushrooms, which at present are being cultivated, transported, weighed and sold openly in shops and on market stalls all over the country. Even grow-kits, which allow you to grow your own mushrooms, appear to be ruled out under the Home Office advice – a grow-kit, by definition, means cultivation. The tougher guidelines have led to a rash of arrests across the country, and to cases that will determine whether the nascent industry has a future
One retailer caught in the police crackdown was Andy Burgess, who runs the Headz “alternative gift shop” in Folkestone. Burgess, a former builder, is 61 and admits to being “the oldest swinger in town”. His shop, with its blue and purple frontage, is an exotic exception to the drabness of the rest of the town. It smells of incense, has a large reclining Buddha in the window and is plastered with leaflets for psychic fayres, spiritual healing and medieval fencing. Strangely, there is also an advertisement for a model railway exhibition.
In late September, Burgess had a visit from the local police – and they hadn’t come for the Indian head massage. “When I arrived here in the morning, there were two police vans outside my door,” he recalls. “I said to a policeman, ‘Do you want to speak to me?’ He said, ‘I’m afraid so.’ There were at least eight policemen – they were like a Swat team.
“I said, ‘What do you want?’ He said, ‘I want your mushrooms. Where are they?’ They ended up taking my fridge, all my invoices, all my paraphernalia regarding mushroom selling.”
Burgess was arrested on suspicion of supplying a class A drug and spent the rest of the day in the cells. He was interviewed, then bailed, but a few days later he was told that the case had been dropped. No explanation or apology was offered. “I can’t understand it,” he says. “I can’t understand why they’re hassling people.” He also sells a range of replica firearms in his shop, but these do not seem to have excited the interest of the police.
Burgess has been selling magic mushrooms for seven or eight months to a wide range of aficionados: “I get teachers, even policemen coming in to buy them,” he says. “Most people don’t buy them in large quantities; they buy a small amount and share them with their friends to have a giggle. I sell them in 30g bags, which is the maximum dose for any one person, but if you do half of it you just get a giggle. Things may look a bit surreal, but that’s as far as it goes. It’s quite harmless.”
Not everyone agrees. “Magic mushrooms are potentially dangerous,” insists Professor John Henry, an expert in toxicology at Imperial College and St Mary’s Hospital, London. “They clearly cause hallucinations. The hallucinations are usually short term, but there is a danger of flashbacks.” Professor Henry says mushrooms have contributed to several deaths, with people suffering hallucinations being killed in accidents. “I advise people never to take magic mushrooms as a form of escape. I tell them your hang-ups will always chase you. Experienced users might just feel a bit trippy, but naive users may feel sick, spacy, quite ill. It is also frightening if they are fed to you without you knowing. That can be very scary.”
Mushroom sellers, unsurprisingly, refuse to accept that mushrooms can do long-term damage. Psyche Deli, one of the biggest companies in the industry, was started by three people who enjoyed taking mushrooms and decided to turn their hobby into a business. They quote a Dutch scientific report that claims mushrooms are safe. “We never set out to do anything illegal,” says co-founder Paul Galbraith. “We asked all the requisite authorities what we were able to do, and it looks like many other traders did the same. Over the past two years, although nothing has actually changed in the law, the Home Office’s interpretation appears to have changed.” Chris Territt, also from Psyche Deli, argues that it may be the increased size and organisation of the business – the Home Office is especially exercised by the growing volume of imports, mainly from Holland – that has triggered the clampdown.
“The law on magic mushrooms is madness,” says Paul Flynn, Labour MP for Newport West. “It seems to have been written by somebody who was on a hallucinogenic drug.” In May, Flynn wrote to Home Office minister Caroline Flint asking for clarification. Her reply – that the very act of selling them constitutes “preparation” – showed how far the Home Office had moved away from its original view that “preparation” meant a change in the physical nature of the mushroom, turning it into a tea, a paste or a powder, for example, to make the effect of the psilocin more concentrated.
The change of heart does not, however, appear to have penetrated the Metropolitan police, which has so far taken no action in London, where magic mushrooms are sold openly in street markets. When I visited a stall in Portobello Road, business was fairly brisk, with family groups clustered round the stall choosing from among the mushroom varieties – Mexican, Colombian, Hawaiian, Thai. Christmas is a busy time, apparently, with grow-kits rivalling iPods as the must-have present last year.
Flynn is scathing about the government’s handling of the issue. “It’s crazy: if you pick them, that’s legal; if you keep them overnight, that’s illegal because they dry out. The effect of magic mushrooms is minor compared with other drugs. There is a market for them and it would be better to allow it to operate. There are plenty of medicinal drugs that cause far more damage than magic mushrooms. But there are no signs of any intelligence in drug policy from the government. When they say the word ‘drugs’, you can be sure that the word ‘tough’ won’t be far behind.”
Even Professor Henry, while backing a ban on their cultivation, believes the law has become hopelessly confused. “They’re not a food – VAT has to be paid on them – so what are they? They’re in some other category, but nobody seems to know what.”
The VAT issue is vexing to mushroom retailers. In February, one wrote to Customs and Excise to ask whether he should be charging VAT. It replied that he should and was then embarrassed when the retailer made the letter public. It appeared that it was levying a tax on a “product” which the Home Office wanted to ban. Joined-up government it wasn’t.
“We did state that fresh mushrooms were subject to VAT,” says Customs and Excise spokesman Paul Matthews, “but we are also aware of the Home Office view that their packaging for sale is illegal. We are really waiting for case law on this.” Mushroom retailers argue that if VAT is being levied, the product per se cannot be illegal; it seems this is not the case. “Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean that it can’t be taxed,” says Matthews.
Proponents of magic mushrooms are frustrated at what they see as the Home Office’s reluctance to consider changing the law, and are critical of a policy that appears to be based on nudging the police and the courts to establish precedent. “If someone was going to make policy on this, then there would at least be a debate,” says Territt, “but currently there is no debate. The crown prosecution service is not a relevant authority to be making health and safety and drugs policy.”

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee/Jasen TV
Date: December 16, 2004 at 3:13:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Francis,
I feel I am still opened up and whatever I let in will be hard to let go off later.
I was given the feeling that I must be very careful what I do over these months,
that everything is magnified now.

I did not turn the tv on for 3 days.Normally I would sit infront of the tv at 6,
watch the simpsons,then keep watching untill 11 or 12,most of the time I would nod off
watching tv,smoking pot to bring on the Methadone.

I am not,not wathcing tv because I think it is bad,I simply do not have the desire.
Now I feel the radiation from the tv,it gives me an uneasy feeling around the temples.
I watched a comedy last night,that was good,I laughed and laughed,my laugh still sounds exhausting.

I feel I let in to much crap from the tv which infllunces me in many different ways.

By the way your english is as good as everyone else as far as email goes.

The last time I listened to Pink Floyd was over 20 years ago. Now I cannot stop listening to
Division Bell by pinkfloyd. Listen to the words,it is uncanny,as if they had the same problem
and tried Eboga/Ibogaine then wrote about it.

From morning to night I stayed out of sight ,I didn’t recognise what I had become,no more than a lie I barley survived
in a word over run,my skin is cold to the human touch,I murmered about all silenced and out I dont even hear when I think aloud,extinguished by light I turn on the night.

I am creeping back to life my nervous system all array I am wearing the inside out
Look at him now .his paler now, ….but he is comming around,he is starting to choke,..so long since he spoke,can see through the clouds that covered me.
just give it time. I will stop here,.it goes on.

It gives me goose bumps,the nice kind.Ahhhh,the life is charging in side of me,it is loud.

When I say I miss female company,I mean the flirting the holding the nurturing,laying beside each other,being intimate.
I have to be careful as I feel my heart is still very open,and I could fall in love to easily,mistaking the company and intimacy for love.
I will be patient.First thing first,become stronger,fitter,lighter.
with love Jasen.
Hi Jasen !
I am collecting all your E-mail religiously, It’s amazing to see
how fast you are changing for the better.
It’s the first time I can follow a recovery with Ibogaine. I am so happy for
you !! English is not my language so I lack vocabulary to express how
astonished I am seing the miracle you went throught. This an amazing grace
🙂

I have a question for you related to adversion to TV. I’ve read
several time in this list that Ibogaine change your perception or taste
regarding TV. I have a complete hatred of TV with maybee two exeption FSTV
and World link. Actualy I have been totaly TV free for nine month.
What change in your perception of TV, now. Your aversion is about
the content or the way they present it, moving the camera seventy time in
one minute. ? Volume going up down , non stop ?Or both ?
Good bless
Francis

From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 2:59:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Ron,

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Ibogaine] FWD – 燙OLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA
Date: December 16, 2004 at 2:31:08 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Everybody,

Ya know, I would like to ask a senator or representative why is pot not legalized, just to hear their answer. What do you think they would say? If they are going to fine you or put you in jail for using it they should have a good answer. America has the most people in jail per capita than any other country including China, Russia, Cuba, etc. Half are for non violent drug offences. Quick, think of a way America could save millions of dollars.

– JIM

Best to ya,

– JIM
BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
I want to ride on the peace train with Jeff. Who else is going? But wait ………………..who’s going to stay here and fight the idiocy of the drug war? Preston, you and Howard stay here and kick their ass, the rest of us will run to Canada. I sadly joke about this shit but it kills me. I just don’t get the logic. Drink all the booze you want and here take this methadone and be hooked for the rest of your life but don’t you smoke any herb cause it will kill you.*&^+_)(*&^%$#@#@! Fuck ’em and feed ’em beans. I will not back down from these assholes. Randy

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:54:58 -0500
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] FWD – COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA

man it is mind boggling how narrow minded these cats are! But we know that from their ibogaine track record…
i am getting out a here asap!
Jeff
Who now can get out …

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] 18-MC anti HIV
Date: December 16, 2004 at 2:02:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Planta Med. 2004 Sep;70(9):808-12.

Anti-HIV-1 activity of the Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine.

Silva EM, Cirne-Santos CC, Frugulhetti IC, Galvao-Castro B, Saraiva EM,
Kuehne ME, Bou-Habib DC.
Laboratorio Avancado de Saude Publica, Centro de Pesquisas Goncalo Moniz,
Salvador, BA, Brazil.

The Iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC) exhibits in vitro
leishmanicidal and in vivo anti-addiction properties. In this paper, we
describe that 18-MC inhibits HIV-1 infection in human peripheral blood mononuclear
cells (PBMCs) and monocyte-derived macrophages. We found that 18-MC inhibits
the replication of primary isolates of HIV-1 in a dose-dependent manner,
regardless of the preferential chemokine receptor usage of the isolates, at
non-cell-toxic concentrations. The antiretroviral activity of 18-MC resulted in EC (50)
values of 22.5 +/- 4.7 microM and 23 +/- 4.5 microM for R5 and X4 isolates,
respectively, in PBMCs, and a therapeutic index (TI) of 14.5. Similar findings
were observed for inhibition of HIV-1 replication in macrophages: EC (50)
equal to 12.8 +/- 5 microM and 9.5 +/- 3 microM for an R5 virus after 14 and 21
days of infection, respectively, with TI equal to 25.6 and 34.5. 18-MC
moderately inhibits the HIV-1 enzyme reverse transcriptase (IC (50) = 69.4 microM),
which at least partially explains its antiretroviral activity.

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 1:19:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Keep us posted Ron, we’re all rooting for you! I hope you enjoy Christmas and the New Year, good luck with everything. You know you can do it-you have to!

Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure
Date: December 16, 2004 at 11:58:32 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 12/16/04 11:31:34 AM, AbbotAngel@aol.com writes:

<<
In a message dated 16/12/2004 14:15:18 GMT Standard Time, think@francomm.com
writes:

<http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html>

Howard

cant get through to this address is it right
Love donna

Try this without ther < >
http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html

Howard

From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure
Date: December 16, 2004 at 11:20:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 16/12/2004 14:15:18 GMT Standard Time, think@francomm.com writes:
<http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html>

Howard

cant get through to this address is it right

Love donna

From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee/Jasen TV
Date: December 16, 2004 at 10:43:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen !
I am collecting all your E-mail religiously, It’s amazing to see
how fast you are changing for the better.
It’s the first time I can follow a recovery with Ibogaine. I am so happy for
you !! English is not my language so I lack vocabulary to express how
astonished I am seing the miracle you went throught. This an amazing grace
🙂

—– Original Message —–
From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee/Jasen

Hi Jasen,
It’s good to know you’re up and about. Just to let you know, yes,
when
I read your emails if I’m not cracking up there is an ear to ear grin.
You
vibe so high. You always did but now it’s like off the charts. You must
leave trails of warm fuzzies wherever you go.
I had a pretty solid month of different degrees of fatigue. Then for
the next two months went back to work at half time with 2 hour naps during
mid day. I am still not working as I was pre-ibogaine, however then I
was
driven by madness to get the money for obvious reasons. I so far am not
placing such high value in my labor for $ vs. taking it a little easy and
having peace of mind.
I get that you realize the benefit of eating healthy to heal and I’ve
recall you mention massage, which is detoxing as well as beneficial. I
found the ibogaine sent me into this healing(physical as well) cleansing,
detoxing state of ongoing morph. I was physically ultra sensitive to
everything. What helped me was to do protocols that help support your
body
and mind. I did chiro and energy work every week as well as colonics
every
week. I have heard accupuncture mentioned here and would have attempted
it
if not for legistical and financial reasons at the time. It’s all good.
Use
your instincts and intuition. Breathing, meditating, yoga, stretching,
visualizing what you intend for yourself and the help and support you are
thankful to have at your beck and call all work in healing.
I also had an aversion to tv. The first month not even 5 hours total
tv. And music day and night. I had my sleep cd’s. Still use them
sometimes as my sleep is still erratic after 5 months. Current sleep
issues
can be from some other source than ibogaine backlash. I’m still listening
to tons of music. Music is like a legal drug. It’s so motivating and
soothing and soulful. I’m also noticing the tv and other stuff will try
to
or creep slowly back in. That’s why these next couple of months are like
gold to do what you can. I am still feeling completely resistant to
slipping back to drugs, however It’s the behavior that got(kept) me there
that I have to work on and be sure not to hook into someother destructive
pastime.
On the relationship front, just a quick thought, I notice in myself
and
others than there is this emotional stifling from drug use. So there are
parts of you that are still 15 when you started. I also would not have
any
relationships the last 10 years of drug use. Just go slow. Friends are
good,
sex is good if that’s what you want, just take a few good long breaths
before you dive in with your young heart before you have a sense of who
you
are, what your needs are and what you have to bring into a relationship.
I love your enthusiasm, your sense of worldliness and innocence all
at
the same time.
I wish for you the healing and happiness you deserve and the
grounding
energy to realize your foes and adversities are there to teach you not to
defeat you. Ding ding .
Much love,
Martee
—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee

Hey Martee,
You are so beautiful,your email lifts me,as do
your emails to others.You have given so much on this list.

I am drug free,well……,Cannabis now and again,but hey.

I am not lonley,just don’t have to much energy for visitors,
time to get a girlfriend I think.

Been single long enough.
I vowed I would not have another relationship untill
I was drug free.Otherwise to to painfull.

The angels say ,”Hi Martee”.
You know what I never realised just how much of a funny guy I am,
I am rediscovering my self,are you laughing yet?
I crack myself up.

Since being back home the tv has stayed off,3 days no tv. WOW

Just music music music
How long were you to fatigued to be bored for?

I am glad you are in my corner,the water and cotton buds really help.
Ding Ding.O.K I am back out there and my opponent is about to be knocked
out
have to work him a little more.
with love,Jasen,can’t
help
smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Hi Jasen,
I understand the fatigue part. I was too fatigued to be bored. I
also found a lot of what I went through during my session didn’t come
to
the surface and make sense until something, usually very obscure, or
someones action, inuendo or verbalizations clicked something in my
memory(brain or mind?) that made me understand the significance of some
of
my visions. It was also about being alone with someone(self) that
you’re
not sure of what is your motivation, likes, dislikes, reactions to
things
now that it’s not thru a drug veil. Note the difference between being
alone and lonely, or solace and isolation, or time to reflect and
boredom.
Getting to know you, getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you, getting to hope you like me.
Haven’t you noticed, suddenley we’re light and breezy,
Because of all the beautiful and new things I’m learning about you
day
by day!
I know this is Korny as hell but it just came out. I never was a hugh
fan
of showtunes. Where ever inspiration and acknowledgment comes, hey
it’s
all good!
Truth be told, I feel like the noribogaine has left my brain.
Elvis
has left the building!! I have had some lower dips than the past few
months but am still doing ok. I guess this is the reality part. My
advice to you would be to do whatever work on yourself spiritually,
emotionally, physically (to stay balanced) so you can stay healthy. I
am
looking forward to starting an already long standing established
Ibogaine
therapy group on Thursday. I’ll be the new kid on the block.
Jasen, I feel you are an intelligent, kind, open minded, receptive
young man and I’m in your corner along with so many others and all your
angels.
Sending healing energy
and love your way,
Martee

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure
Date: December 16, 2004 at 9:14:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks.

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure

For those of you who were not able to attend the Ibogaine Roundtable during
the 5th National Harm Reduction conference, we now have a beta version of the
Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure that was presented during the Roundtable in New
Orleans, available at http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html

It is a beta version as the final version will be incorporated in a more
detailed Harm Reduction Conference Report that will hopefully be up in a week or
so.

In the meantime enjoy <http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html> and please
let me know your feelings on the content and if you discover any technical
errors.

Enjoy

Howard

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee/Jasen
Date: December 16, 2004 at 6:33:30 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,
It’s good to know you’re up and about. Just to let you know, yes, when I read your emails if I’m not cracking up there is an ear to ear grin. You vibe so high. You always did but now it’s like off the charts. You must leave trails of warm fuzzies wherever you go.
I had a pretty solid month of different degrees of fatigue. Then for the next two months went back to work at half time with 2 hour naps during mid day. I am still not working as I was pre-ibogaine, however then I was driven by madness to get the money for obvious reasons. I so far am not placing such high value in my labor for $ vs. taking it a little easy and having peace of mind.
I get that you realize the benefit of eating healthy to heal and I’ve recall you mention massage, which is detoxing as well as beneficial. I found the ibogaine sent me into this healing(physical as well) cleansing, detoxing state of ongoing morph. I was physically ultra sensitive to everything. What helped me was to do protocols that help support your body and mind. I did chiro and energy work every week as well as colonics every week. I have heard accupuncture mentioned here and would have attempted it if not for legistical and financial reasons at the time. It’s all good. Use your instincts and intuition. Breathing, meditating, yoga, stretching, visualizing what you intend for yourself and the help and support you are thankful to have at your beck and call all work in healing.
I also had an aversion to tv. The first month not even 5 hours total tv. And music day and night. I had my sleep cd’s. Still use them sometimes as my sleep is still erratic after 5 months. Current sleep issues can be from some other source than ibogaine backlash. I’m still listening to tons of music. Music is like a legal drug. It’s so motivating and soothing and soulful. I’m also noticing the tv and other stuff will try to or creep slowly back in. That’s why these next couple of months are like gold to do what you can. I am still feeling completely resistant to slipping back to drugs, however It’s the behavior that got(kept) me there that I have to work on and be sure not to hook into someother destructive pastime.
On the relationship front, just a quick thought, I notice in myself and others than there is this emotional stifling from drug use. So there are parts of you that are still 15 when you started. I also would not have any relationships the last 10 years of drug use. Just go slow. Friends are good, sex is good if that’s what you want, just take a few good long breaths before you dive in with your young heart before you have a sense of who you are, what your needs are and what you have to bring into a relationship.
I love your enthusiasm, your sense of worldliness and innocence all at the same time.
I wish for you the healing and happiness you deserve and the grounding energy to realize your foes and adversities are there to teach you not to defeat you. Ding ding .
Much love,
Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee

Hey Martee,
You are so beautiful,your email lifts me,as do
your emails to others.You have given so much on this list.

I am drug free,well……,Cannabis now and again,but hey.

I am not lonley,just don’t have to much energy for visitors,
time to get a girlfriend I think.

Been single long enough.
I vowed I would not have another relationship untill
I was drug free.Otherwise to to painfull.

The angels say ,”Hi Martee”.
You know what I never realised just how much of a funny guy I am,
I am rediscovering my self,are you laughing yet?
I crack myself up.

Since being back home the tv has stayed off,3 days no tv. WOW

Just music music music
How long were you to fatigued to be bored for?

I am glad you are in my corner,the water and cotton buds really help.
Ding Ding.O.K I am back out there and my opponent is about to be knocked out
have to work him a little more.
with love,Jasen,can’t help smiling.
—– Original Message —– From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Hi Jasen,
I understand the fatigue part. I was too fatigued to be bored. I
also found a lot of what I went through during my session didn’t come to
the surface and make sense until something, usually very obscure, or
someones action, inuendo or verbalizations clicked something in my
memory(brain or mind?) that made me understand the significance of some of
my visions. It was also about being alone with someone(self) that you’re
not sure of what is your motivation, likes, dislikes, reactions to things
now that it’s not thru a drug veil. Note the difference between being
alone and lonely, or solace and isolation, or time to reflect and boredom.
Getting to know you, getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you, getting to hope you like me.
Haven’t you noticed, suddenley we’re light and breezy,
Because of all the beautiful and new things I’m learning about you day
by day!
I know this is Korny as hell but it just came out. I never was a hugh fan
of showtunes. Where ever inspiration and acknowledgment comes, hey it’s
all good!
Truth be told, I feel like the noribogaine has left my brain. Elvis
has left the building!! I have had some lower dips than the past few
months but am still doing ok. I guess this is the reality part. My
advice to you would be to do whatever work on yourself spiritually,
emotionally, physically (to stay balanced) so you can stay healthy. I am
looking forward to starting an already long standing established Ibogaine
therapy group on Thursday. I’ll be the new kid on the block.
Jasen, I feel you are an intelligent, kind, open minded, receptive
young man and I’m in your corner along with so many others and all your
angels.
Sending healing energy
and love your way,
Martee

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] {ot} Shameless Self Publicity
Date: December 16, 2004 at 6:18:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear List,

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Subject: [Ibogaine] excerpt is available
Date: December 16, 2004 at 4:37:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 1:33:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;Martee
Date: December 16, 2004 at 1:27:57 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Martee,
You are so beautiful,your email lifts me,as do
your emails to others.You have given so much on this list.

I am drug free,well……,Cannabis now and again,but hey.

I am not lonley,just don’t have to much energy for visitors,
time to get a girlfriend I think.

Been single long enough.
I vowed I would not have another relationship untill
I was drug free.Otherwise to to painfull.

The angels say ,”Hi Martee”.
You know what I never realised just how much of a funny guy I am,
I am rediscovering my self,are you laughing yet?
I crack myself up.

Since being back home the tv has stayed off,3 days no tv. WOW

Just music music music
How long were you to fatigued to be bored for?

I am glad you are in my corner,the water and cotton buds really help.
Ding Ding.O.K I am back out there and my opponent is about to be knocked out
have to work him a little more.
with love,Jasen,can’t help smiling.
—– Original Message —– From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re;JASEN AT SARA’S PLACE.

Hi Jasen,
I understand the fatigue part. I was too fatigued to be bored. I
also found a lot of what I went through during my session didn’t come to
the surface and make sense until something, usually very obscure, or
someones action, inuendo or verbalizations clicked something in my
memory(brain or mind?) that made me understand the significance of some of
my visions. It was also about being alone with someone(self) that you’re
not sure of what is your motivation, likes, dislikes, reactions to things
now that it’s not thru a drug veil. Note the difference between being
alone and lonely, or solace and isolation, or time to reflect and boredom.
Getting to know you, getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you, getting to hope you like me.
Haven’t you noticed, suddenley we’re light and breezy,
Because of all the beautiful and new things I’m learning about you day
by day!
I know this is Korny as hell but it just came out. I never was a hugh fan
of showtunes. Where ever inspiration and acknowledgment comes, hey it’s
all good!
Truth be told, I feel like the noribogaine has left my brain. Elvis
has left the building!! I have had some lower dips than the past few
months but am still doing ok. I guess this is the reality part. My
advice to you would be to do whatever work on yourself spiritually,
emotionally, physically (to stay balanced) so you can stay healthy. I am
looking forward to starting an already long standing established Ibogaine
therapy group on Thursday. I’ll be the new kid on the block.
Jasen, I feel you are an intelligent, kind, open minded, receptive
young man and I’m in your corner along with so many others and all your
angels.
Sending healing energy
and love your way,
Martee

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine Roundtable Brochure
Date: December 16, 2004 at 12:58:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is a beta version as the final version will be incorporated in a more
detailed Harm Reduction Conference Report that will hopefully be up in a week or
so.

In the meantime enjoy <http://www.doraweiner.org/cover_hrc.html> and please
let me know your feelings on the content and if you discover any technical
errors.

Enjoy

Howard

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 16, 2004 at 12:32:45 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 15, 2004 at 10:59:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: December 15, 2004 at 7:40:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You passed, I’ll give you an A this time but next time try to give more
details in your narrative 😉

.:vector:.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]
Date: December 15, 2004 at 6:46:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Test TeSt tEsT teSt my messeges are coming back not sent

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] FWD – COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA
Date: December 15, 2004 at 6:42:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I want to ride on the peace train with Jeff. Who else is going? But wait ………………..who’s going to stay here and fight the idiocy of the drug war? Preston, you and Howard stay here and kick their ass, the rest of us will run to Canada. I sadly joke about this shit but it kills me. I just don’t get the logic. Drink all the booze you want and here take this methadone and be hooked for the rest of your life but don’t you smoke any herb cause it will kill you.*&^+_)(*&^%$#@#@! Fuck ’em and feed ’em beans. I will not back down from these assholes. Randy
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] FWD – COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:54:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

man it is mind boggling how narrow minded these cats are! But we know that from their ibogaine track record…
i am getting out a here asap!
Jeff
Who now can get out …

From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] FWD – COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:54:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

man it is mind boggling how narrow minded these cats are! But we know that from their ibogaine track record…
i am getting out a here asap!
Jeff
Who now can get out …

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:42:52 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does sound like withdrawal symptoms, but maybe a trip to an osteopath or
Reiki practitioner wouldn’t be a bad idea? Perhaps some realignment of
spine or chakra system? Fine tuning, so to speak…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com [mailto:Jeffgd1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 8:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Jasen
my back and pelvis aches but i do not think it is a problem for a dr i
think it is the paying the piper so to speak of ten years on the methadone.
i get these strange waves of painful energy flowing up my spine ….is that
what you are experiencing? I am about a week ahead of you and it is still
not great but way way way better than a week and a half ago.
great hearing from you
jeff

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] FWD – COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:41:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Pubdate: Tue, 14 Dec 2004
Source: New York Times (NY)
Copyright: 2004 The New York Times Company
Contact: letters@nytimes.com
Website: http://www.nytimes.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/298
Author: Donald G. McNeil, Jr.
Please: See ‘The UMass Amherst MMJ Production Facility Project’ for a
detailed background and timeline along with links to all the documents
involved at http://www.maps.org/mmj/mmjfacility.html
Cited: University of Massachusetts-Amherst
http://www.umass.edu/plsoils/index.html
Cited: Drug Enforcement Administration http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov
Cited: Marijuana Policy Project http://www.mpp.org
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmj.htm (Cannabis – Medicinal)

COLLEGE FAILS IN BID TO GROW MARIJUANA

A longstanding request to grow marijuana at the University of Massachusetts
so it can be tested for medical uses has been turned down by the Drug
Enforcement Administration.

The decision was faxed to the university on Friday and made public
yesterday by the Marijuana Policy Project, an independent group that favors
legalization of marijuana, particularly for medical uses.

A spokeswoman for the D.E.A. said the agency would have no comment beyond
its order, which gave the university 30 days to appeal.

The dispute is over marijuana in its smoked or vaporized form. Capsules of
THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol, one of the plant’s active ingredients, can be
prescribed in many states for cancer and AIDS patients suffering nausea and
appetite loss. But proponents of medical marijuana argue that the inhaled
form is more effective and contains more than 50 active ingredients that
the capsules do not.

In its order, the drug agency said the lone government-licensed marijuana
farm, operated by the University of Mississippi, grew enough for
researchers. It said that 18 medical studies using the drug had been
approved since 2000. But Dr. Lyle E. Craker, the professor of plant biology
at the University of Massachusetts who applied for the license three years
ago, said researchers complained that the government’s marijuana was weak
and that it was hard to get permission to use it.

“We wanted to have a source independent from the government and with a
known potency so doctors can run clinical trials,” he said. Researchers
would still need D.E.A. permission to work with the drug.

In its order, the agency said that after contacting researchers, it
determined that the Mississippi crop was of “sufficient quantity and
quality” to meet the researchers’ needs.

Advocates of medical marijuana complained that the D.E.A. had prejudged the
results of clinical trials of smoked or vaporized marijuana before they
could even be conducted.

The agency’s order said smoking “ultimately cannot be the permitted
delivery system for any potential marijuana medication due to the
deleterious effects and the difficulty in monitoring the efficaciousness.”

In 10 states, including California, patients with a doctor’s recommendation
may smoke marijuana without fear of state prosecution. The federal
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From: Jim Hadey <jimhadey3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] mercury and surgery post Ibo
Date: December 15, 2004 at 4:22:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Funny as hell finding about the doc and demerol. As far as tooth pain, go to a drug store or maybe health food store and get clove oil. A bottle is about 1/2 oz and cost about a dollar. Don’t discount this. I am not saying it works as good as in the movie Marathon Man but it is much better than orajel and stuff like that.

I have had Talwin but never been hooked on it. Do not use Talwin with narcotics like opiates because it acts as a week antaginst. Do a Google search on Talwin or check out the PDR and it will tell you something like it is about 5% of the antaganist as naltrexon or something like that, I haven’t looked it up in years. Other than that you have the same problem as a lot of us on the forum – a addict who needs pain meds. As you know most docs don’t like addicts and will not write for pain meds. Ask your dentist if there is anything they can give you for pain and that you had trouble with narcotics in the past. There are a couple of pain meds that can help but as one doc said to me anything strong for pain is addictive. One that comes to mind is Torradol (sp) the other is Ultram. I have never taken these so don’t know how they work. BTW I have read a horror story about a person taking metadone then going to a hospital and getting Standol – Don’t do it – you will go through hell. If your clean you can take Standol, it is pretty powerful but then again addictive.

Best to ya,

– JIM

Jasen Chamoun <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
You make me laugh Randy.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] mercury and surgery post Ibo

Rachel, I prefer to think having bad teeth is all part of being Heroin chic. (Ha) Who ever came up with that has never been addicted. I hate my teeth being bad and I can’t wait to get them fixed although I am afraid of the drugs they use in doing so. Is there any kind of non opiate that actually works? Has anyone got any experience with Talwin or Stadol post Ibogaine? Would I still feel withdrawal from Talwin? It has been 2 and a half months now but the thought of doing Talwin gives me the heebie geebies. This is a real big issue with me and I would welcome any advice on having surgery and not getting sprung on opiates I can get. I need surgery to get a screw taken out of my left wrist too. Sometimes it really hurts to play the guitar. The conversation with the Dr. goes like this. “Doc it really hurts to play the guitar esp. playin’ an F way down on the bottom of the neck.” “Well, then don’t play the guitar.” Blank stare of disbelief from me. THEN “Yea right”. You quit playin’ golf and pilfering Demerol and I’ll quit playin’ the guitar.” Blank stare of disbelief from him as he’s thinking, how did he know about the Demerol? Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 4:05:45 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It is not uncommon for people
coming off of long term narcotic use to find that the narcotics have masked a
physical condition that needs attention.<

as I can vouch for this, I’ll say, yer right Howard, too true.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —– From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Hi Jasen,

Why don’t you have a doctor look at your back. Maybe it is nothing to do
with withdrawal at all but, some medical disorder. It is not uncommon for people
coming off of long term narcotic use to find that the narcotics have masked a
physical condition that needs attention.

Howard

In a message dated 12/15/04 1:52:01 AM, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:

<< Hey Jeff,

Thanks mate.Yes it is a long road also a good one,it is now 29 days for me
too.

Yes you are right it seems to get better every few days.My back is really
p.ssing me off.

But a small price to pay,When I bitch about the back or the this or that I am
only talking up to 15%

withdrawals.

I will stick with my original thought of it takes a minimum of 6 weeks to
come off Methadone.

The methadone gets into every fibre of our being,how can it not when traken
daily for years and years.

It is hard yes,Many of us are very strong people,hanging out is not just at
a physical level,your soul can

feel tortured wanting to jump out of your
body,physically,emotionally,spiritually,can’t remember the fourth.

I know you understand fully of course as you have lived it.

I said hi to Sara for you and she remembered.

With love,Jasen smiling. >>

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 2:39:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I remember experiencing similar issues, for me it was a lot of getting used to being back in my body.

I’d been ignoring aches and pains by the distraction of opiates, and had been over-compensating usage of certain muscles and I was a mess, physically. chiropractic and massage helped, then again the main reason i got strung out in the first place is because i broke my back, and never really focused much on physical therapy so I had to re-train all of the muscles in my back. still ain’t quite right and I battle on and off chronic pain to this day.

Stay The Course!

_.dh

On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 09:08 AM, Jeffgd1@aol.com wrote:

Jasen
my back and pelvis aches but i do not think it is a problem for a dr i think it is the paying the piper so to speak of ten years on the methadone.
i get these strange waves of painful energy flowing up my spine ….is that what you are experiencing? I am about a week ahead of you and it is still not great but way way way better than a week and a half ago.
great hearing from you
jeff

From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 2:08:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen
my back and pelvis aches but i do not think it is a problem for a dr i think it is the paying the piper so to speak of ten years on the methadone.
i get these strange waves of painful energy flowing up my spine ….is that what you are experiencing? I am about a week ahead of you and it is still not great but way way way better than a week and a half ago.
great hearing from you
jeff

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:24:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

Howard

In a message dated 12/15/04 1:52:01 AM, JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au writes:

<< Hey Jeff,

Thanks mate.Yes it is a long road also a good one,it is now 29 days for me
too.

Yes you are right it seems to get better every few days.My back is really
p.ssing me off.

But a small price to pay,When I bitch about the back or the this or that I am
only talking up to 15%

withdrawals.

I will stick with my original thought of it takes a minimum of 6 weeks to
come off Methadone.

The methadone gets into every fibre of our being,how can it not when traken
daily for years and years.

It is hard yes,Many of us are very strong people,hanging out is not just at
a physical level,your soul can

feel tortured wanting to jump out of your
body,physically,emotionally,spiritually,can’t remember the fourth.

I know you understand fully of course as you have lived it.

I said hi to Sara for you and she remembered.

With love,Jasen smiling. >>

From: “The Garden” <GardenRestaurant@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:07:03 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: AbbotAngel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine treatment – Att. Donna
Date: December 15, 2004 at 10:35:54 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

HI Allisson

Thanks for getting back to me I know that getting down to a low level of meth is so hard, well done you are clean now and how was your sleeping after the meth? I would really like to try the ibogaine but it sounds really trippy which is really scary to me. I think i’ll do the sub again i’ll keep you posted

love donnaxx

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att.hannah
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:53:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeh I agree. It just aint’ that simple Schmoolyboy and if I were Ron your message would have hindered rather than helped.

From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:54 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Ron

I know them ( at least one of them ) personally and he is a great detox doc who offered you a slow, make sense taper and did not want anything from you except to help.

If you spent 1/10 the time you do writting your dear me notes, you might actually get clean. I asked that doc if he heard from you and he said he told you to come see him. Just once to start.

Did you go? NO.

When a person offers to help but they do more work for your recovery then you yourself are willing to do, well, they will walk away.

The time is now.

Just do it bro or else stop bitching.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Spam Alert: Fwd: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:26:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanx Jasen. If we all pay attention and get a good grade we might be able to come up with something that helps and pass it on. Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Spam Alert: Fwd: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:22:16 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,
YES FIBROPLEX PLUS,It is a Magnesium compound,with many other minerals,it is sold by Metagenics.
It supplies building blocks for energy production,and seems to ground you a little,relaxes you as magnesium can do.

As you know Randy,when people are in withdrawal,unless what they take takes away all the pain they don’t think it works.
Also Kava Kava and passionflower,it works,helps and the body loves it.
Love ya mate,
With love, Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Spam Alert: Fwd: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:13:05 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Ann,
I think you are right about the medicine man/woman.
It is a long haul,but the load is light in comparison to the truck pulling it.

Insomnia,I can’t sleep at the moment,it is past midnight here in the
land of OZ. I do get 5 to 6 hours a day though,nowdays.Oh,I just realised
who you are,you are Randy’s mum. Super Mum,I am in awe at the unconditional
love you have for your son,your love for your son also helped me.

You are great.
With love,Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ann B. Mullikin
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Greetings and Salutations, Jasen. Slow but sure you are getting there. A long haul for you and Randy too
but you are getting there and that’s the most important thing. I remember how Randy complained about
the insomnia and I was a witness to it. I’m glad I was because I can give witness to this remarkable
happening. If there are parents who would talk to me about what took place I will be happy to volunteer.

We all know how Howard came to experience this phenomena but wonder how the pygmies discovered
it? Must have been a medicine man/woman in the tribe?

Regards,

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Hey Jeff,
Thanks mate.Yes it is a long road also a good one,it is now 29 days for me too.
Yes you are right it seems to get better every few days.My back is really p.ssing me off.
But a small price to pay,When I bitch about the back or the this or that I am only talking up to 15%
withdrawals.
I will stick with my original thought of it takes a minimum of 6 weeks to come off Methadone.
The methadone gets into every fibre of our being,how can it not when traken daily for years and years.

It is hard yes,Many of us are very strong people,hanging out is not just at a physical level,your soul can
feel tortured wanting to jump out of your body,physically,emotionally,spiritually,can’t remember the fourth.

I know you understand fully of course as you have lived it.
I said hi to Sara for you and she remembered.
With love,Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

hjasen
yes it is long road post eboga i know i am at 29 days or so and like i have saifd before it isn’t better everyday but it iS better everey few days. i would say i am 70 i was opiated for close to twenty years (on and off and methadoned to the tune of 80- then down to 50 mgs for the last 9 years afte r the death of my wife from either cocain or heroin od we whad a six year old sun i was trying to raise (fairly succesfully) but need to not be sick so you know all that.
following your journey from your home to Saras has ben so great i hope to go to her in six months or so
i feel you and am hanging tough feeling noribogain ereleasing in fast furious pace at time sttill getting trails everyso often and more at times i love that.
i am going to try and go back to work in about 3 weeks i miss the fun of a big construction site i am an electrician and we all have a ballwhile working pretty hard
so hang tough brother and give sara a big hug frim bioth rachel and I we spoke briefly in march whe i was in amsterdam with a band and she maybe remebers
Freak Freee
jeff

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:03:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, can you be more specific about this fibroplex? Does this really help the anxiety after Methadone withdrawal treated with Ibogaine? I’m trying to compile information and data to help, esp. with methadone it being so difficult to treat. I am living in your afterglow and it ROCKS. Your beautiful dude, keep it up.
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:01:11 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,
Yes,I do feel amazing,I am amazing,…Julie.
It is beautiful, magical,the birds in the trees, they are singing so happily,
joyfully,…playfully watching me.

I am getting stronger,becoming better,”we can rebuild him,we have the technolgy,we can make him stronger faster
better,I feel like the 6 million dollar man,they have almost finished rebuilding me. …….:)
With love, Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Hey Julie,
Nice to hear from you.
Day 21,feeling (was feeling very anxious) as I ran out of fibroplex
Which is a magnesium compound (basically).
Sister sent some got it today,now tolerable.

Legs still not firmly grounded,still feel as if the marrow in my legs is
Not there,hollow feeling.But slowly filling. Restless and home sick.
I am feeling a lot better though I must say.

Tommorow I go to Amsterdam city and I will stay there for 4 days until the
12th then yee ha HOME.Mmmmm I suppose it is my last night here.

Sara is great,it is as if I was doing this at mums place.You are looked
after quite well,and she knows how to dose. I tell you,The cannabis tea,
Cookies and mushrooms helped more than I would have ever thought. helped
tremendously.I was quite unsettled about tripping whilst hangingout,but it
isn’t really tripping,its mushrooms as they were created.

All legal here in Amsterdam,people are allowed to use cannabis for pain
relief or fun.You can legally buy mushrooms in a coffee shop.

I tell you what, I miss company,looking forward to chatting with the girls
and guys in these coffee shops,do you know they even have a hash museum.

How are you feeling now Julie? How many days has it been?
How are you feeling Randy and how many days,where’s sean gone?

Still a bit spacy in the head energy slowly building.If I get to bored and
anxious I just drink some cannabis tea,…….ahh, allright,smoke a joint
and listen to U2,pinkfloyd,and ELO,wish I had brought more cd’s.

Lower back still achey,restless.My mind is becoming clearer.I do feel like a
ciggy now and again,though I am a strong person,I just say,’no
thanks”.Well,…
Not quite that easy.

Oh,yea,I got fire burning in me again,and it feels great.It’s like,….WOW.
A lot of exhausted crying,but really good stuff. I now know for sure,my
brother is ok.It’s almost like I spoke to him but I canot remember what was
said,it was like he was really happy with me lots of love pouring from
him,smiling,just beautiful. We were also the best of mates,confidants.
I was also shown some parts of my life where something hurt me without me
consciously knowing.Then I would cry the blockage out.

WOW we are sensitive beings.

I got spunk in my veins again,like I did at 15 (almost).
I re read the last sentence and think,wow you were just a baby a kid.
Now that kid is free,and I can do anything.

With love Jasen,….smiling.

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: Ms Iboga [mailto:ms_iboga@yahoo.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 7 december 2004 17:28
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

Jasen,

You sound so amazing!!!! I am so happy for you….

Drop me a line…

Julie

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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:01:52 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We all know how Howard came to experience this phenomena but wonder how the pygmies discovered
it? Must have been a medicine man/woman in the tribe?

Regards,

ann
think@francomm.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 9:01:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Huh Huh Huh,good one,I
used to dream of doing so when I was a child.
With love, Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —– From: “Germán DC” <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home

Jasen,

please don´t end up working for Oscar Goldman.

love from the south.
BRAVO !!!!
gdc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:01 AM

-“we can rebuild him,we have the
technolgy,we can make him stronger faster
better,I feel like the 6 million dollar man,they have almost finished
rebuilding me. …….:)

From: Germán DC <gcaldelas@fibertel.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 8:52:01 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

please don´t end up working for Oscar Goldman.

love from the south.
BRAVO !!!!
gdc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:01 AM

-“we can rebuild him,we have the
technolgy,we can make him stronger faster
better,I feel like the 6 million dollar man,they have almost finished
rebuilding me. …….:)

From: Deborah Vincent <dcvincent@dodo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am home,. Jasen.
Date: December 15, 2004 at 7:56:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Jasen,
It’s So great to hear your strong true voice.. So great for you to be free!! I’m So happy for you and positively green with envy! Oh!!! To have a choice! To be able to travel on the spur of the moment! Sheer bliss surely! The liquid handcuffs are really dragging me down, destroying my teeth , stomach and sleep patterns!! I’m so over the whole thing! The great conspiracy! But hopefully by march I’ll be in your place – I’m hoping to be able to visit Sara in Feb. Can you tell me what the exchange rate is- Aust$ to Euro?
I’m living in Melbourne.. Dear downtown St.Kilda. Where in Aust. are you Jasen? When you’re totally better I’d love to have a chat about the whole eboga trip! I’m pretty much in the same boat that you’d been rowing…
Smoking fags at 9. Tripping & smoking grass at 12 when my folks split. Addicted to heroin on and off since 15 when I bailed out of school and home. Then as an adult, cocaine for 5 years instead of hammer… Totally Clean for 2 x 3 yr periods …I used to have awesome self restraint.. I could just quit! I resisted going on the methadone programme forever – then broke down and gave in in 2001 when my body Really decided it didn’t want to hang out any more… I’d get admitted to hospital every time I try these days. 47 on Christmas day and so depressed.
But I don’t want to bring you down.. I wanted to say Bravo Jasen!! Be Strong and Well and Victorious!!! and Merry Christmas!!! Happy New Year – The first day of the first year of your new adult life! Make every minute count!
Love Deborah

From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee
Date: December 15, 2004 at 6:37:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara,
Ok. But it might be reassuring for those on Benzos to hear of others taking treatment successfully for the same dose levels of addiction that they have?
Lee

Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Dear Lee,

It is possible, but whats the point? Each one of them has a different constitution which means each one will react different to the same dosage.
Your reaction to the extract is totally different then other people, your constitution, issues and motivation of using Iboga/ ibogaine are also different then anybody else is, that is why there is no one shoe that fits all. And thats why I try to work in tune with the initiate needs physically and mentally.
No matter what the amount they have been on before and how long they have been using.what I look at is NOW! What would be helpful now.

Sara
Van: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]  Verzonden: woensdag 15 december 2004 11:51 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

Sara,

I remember Ron asking about the level of addiction they had.

Is it possible to get some kind of measure of benzo use (+whatever else) with body weight, along with the dose lowels of extract taken?

Lee  Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Now I have three initiates who where addicted to benzos and Methadone/ Heroin, in my house doing well.

Each one got a different dosage,

Sara
Van: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 21:37 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

My patient who took iboga to detox of anti depressants benzo and bup. is in the fifth day and doing fine. He will send a report when he will be done.

Greetings,

Sara

Van: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 3:46 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

Yes I do .IT does not work . Even at huge dosages it won’t stop a benzo kick. It helps a little like clonidine helps opiates but if that is all your counting on—good luck.

The whole, Neurontin thing has been pushed by powerful drug companies as a miracle cure for what ails ya. It doesn’t do much as far as I have seen yet it is prescribed like candy by every psych doc out there.

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee
Date: December 15, 2004 at 6:14:29 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Lee,

It is possible, but what’s the point? Each one of them has a different constitution which means each one will react different to the same dosage.
Your reaction to the extract is totally different then other people, your constitution, issues and motivation of using Iboga/ ibogaine are also different then anybody else is, that is why there is no one shoe that fits all. And that’s why I try to work in tune with the initiate needs physically and mentally.
No matter what the amount they have been on before and how long they have been using.what I look at is NOW! What would be helpful now.

Sara
Van: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@yahoo.co.uk]  Verzonden: woensdag 15 december 2004 11:51 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

Sara,

I remember Ron asking about the level of addiction they had.

Is it possible to get some kind of measure of benzo use (+whatever else) with body weight, along with the dose lowels of extract taken?

Lee  Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Now I have three initiates who where addicted to benzo’s and Methadone/ Heroin, in my house doing well.

Each one got a different dosage,

Sara
Van: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 21:37 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

My patient who took iboga to detox of anti depressants benzo and bup. is in the fifth day and doing fine. He will send a report when he will be done.

Greetings,

Sara

Van: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 3:46 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

Yes I do .IT does not work . Even at huge dosages it won’t stop a benzo kick. It helps a little like clonidine helps opiates but if that is all your counting on—good luck.

http://www.my-eboga.com

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:50:36 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara,

I remember Ron asking about the level of addiction they had.

Is it possible to get some kind of measure of benzo use (+whatever else) with body weight, along with the dose lowels of extract taken?

Lee

Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Now I have three initiates who where addicted to benzos and Methadone/ Heroin, in my house doing well.

Each one got a different dosage,

Sara
Van: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@xs4all.nl]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 21:37 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

My patient who took iboga to detox of anti depressants benzo and bup. is in the fifth day and doing fine. He will send a report when he will be done.

Greetings,

Sara

Van: Schmoolyboy@aol.com [mailto:Schmoolyboy@aol.com]  Verzonden: maandag 13 december 2004 3:46 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Benzos & The Power of Light – Att. Lee

Yes I do .IT does not work . Even at huge dosages it won’t stop a benzo kick. It helps a little like clonidine helps opiates but if that is all your counting on—good luck.

http://www.my-eboga.com

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From: Lee Albert <myeboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen.
Date: December 15, 2004 at 5:48:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen.
What you wrote is very beautiful.
I read your other post and agree pretty much with a lot of what you say.
There are differences with the extract, certainly in the beginning. The reason I stopped using it was to do with repeated use. I felt that the body builds up a resistance to the composition far quicker than it does to the ibogaine and thus reduces the effectiveness of the session. However I hope one day I may have the chance of taking eboga in Africa as i would like very much to return to the natural african setting to celebrate the sacrament with brothers. A kind of celebration of reaching the end of my path sometime soon.
Your are a good person Jasen and people like you make the world a better place.
Stay clean for God’s sake and your own.
Theres are a lot you can offer to many who are in dire need.
Love & Light,
Lee

Jasen Chamoun <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
There was this one other thing,after ingesting the 5 grams of Eboga,I saw
myself spread eagled
on a round medalion,like an 8 foot in diameter coin. One side of the coin
was jet black and the other a brilliant white.

I was strapped to it,the medalion spun into the air with me on it and then
the black side was ripped out of the medallin
and fell into a black abyss,(no fire or brimstone) :).When the black
detached from the white it felt as if I was falling into the
abyss whilst at the same time knowing I was still on the medallion strapped
to the brilliant diamond white,then the white
medallion with me on it spun up again up up, into all brightness and I was
enveloped in love,turn and face the light you have nothing to fear,
I felt as if I had champagne bubbles going shring shring through out my
body,in a straight line comming up from my stomach
and seperating into two at my shoulders then releasing through my
shoulders,it was a feeling of pure exstacy,pure love
and acceptance,with the knowing that you can not die and nothing is seperate
from me.I feel I was smeltered.

It was my experience of what happens when the body dies,you cannot die,you
vibrate into unother frequency,and leave your carrige behind.
Like what happens in reverse on earth with many incects, serpents,crabs,they
shed there skin,they are not thier skin. Inside out.

I connected with my brother,he was so beautiful,smiling and gleaming,living
in another freqency/dimension whatnot,telling me you cannot die,
and to live fully this is the way to honor his name(this was my wish)His
gleaming face was telling me everything is fine,do not be sad.
life with no end.we are seperate from nothing.I live within you,I feel him
strongly now.

with love Jasen.
>
> I would love to have some idea of your visions though email is fine if
> they
> are too personal and that is not rare at all.
>
> Howard

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen.
Date: December 15, 2004 at 4:01:55 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There was this one other thing,after ingesting the 5 grams of Eboga,I saw myself spread eagled
on a round medalion,like an 8 foot in diameter coin. One side of the coin was jet black and the other a brilliant white.

I was strapped to it,the medalion spun into the air with me on it and then the black side was ripped out of the medallin
and fell into a black abyss,(no fire or brimstone) :).When the black detached from the white it felt as if I was falling into the
abyss whilst at the same time knowing I was still on the medallion strapped to the brilliant diamond white,then the white
medallion with me on it spun up again up up, into all brightness and I was enveloped in love,turn and face the light you have nothing to fear,
I felt as if I had champagne bubbles going shring shring through out my body,in a straight line comming up from my stomach
and seperating into two at my shoulders then releasing through my shoulders,it was a feeling of pure exstacy,pure love
and acceptance,with the knowing that you can not die and nothing is seperate from me.I feel I was smeltered.

It was my experience of what happens when the body dies,you cannot die,you vibrate into unother frequency,and leave your carrige behind.
Like what happens in reverse on earth with many incects, serpents,crabs,they shed there skin,they are not thier skin. Inside out.

I connected with my brother,he was so beautiful,smiling and gleaming,living in another freqency/dimension whatnot,telling me you cannot die,
and to live fully this is the way to honor his name(this was my wish)His gleaming face was telling me everything is fine,do not be sad.
life with no end.we are seperate from nothing.I live within you,I feel him strongly now.

with love Jasen.

I would love to have some idea of your visions though email is fine if they
are too personal and that is not rare at all.

Howard

From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ot Re: Hannah
Date: December 15, 2004 at 3:54:26 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hannah… My heart goes out to you. It can be so hard. I reckon a lot of the depression and feelings is down to withdrawals. I think your about my daughters age and just wish I could tuck you up and make you feel better. Try & think that there is a whole world out there, lots of different things, opportunities and experiences ahead. Sometimes I think we all need to try a few times before it finally sinks through to our brain that we really don’t want to live like this anymore. Don’t keep trying to be strong. If you have a boyfriend or friends that want to help hold your hand out and say yes I need help. Theres no shame in that and it might help you get stronger in the process. Take care, Thinking of you & will keep following your posts to see how things go. Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 5:55:42 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ot Re: Hannah

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all your wonderful notes-each one helped me in a different way. You are all wonderful people and I’m very lucky to have you. I am trying to just function but its not really happening.

I don’t know what to think of anything-I keep telling myself that I have to not let this get me down and I have to grab my opportunities else it’ll always be the same.. But I’m just so unhappy. He came over last night and we rowed-I was just hurting so bad and he said some bad stuff and now I feel even worse. On one hand I want to be really nice to him and look like I’m coping but on the other I feel so raw and hurt and desperate. I’m starting to think I was blind all along.

I guess it will get easier and I am trying. I see a psychiatrist next week but I saw him once before n he was crap.

Half the time I can’t stop shaking and all I can think is I need a hit cuz I daren’t think of anything else. I’m scared I’m having a nervous breakdown. I’m trying to like me but its hard when I hate myself for driving him away somehow. I cry and can’t eat.

Hell either it’ll get better or it’ll finish me off! I don’t want H but its all ive got right now. I’m scoring for this lass else I wouldn’t be doing it at all cuz i can’t afford it myself.

I gave my dog Shiva lots of love today. Thanks again everyone, gee now I’m crying again. I will write again when its something productive.

I hate myself cuz I hate depressed people who whine and that’s exactly what I am.

My dealer just rang so I’ve gotta sort this lass out. Dunno why I bother-the gears so crap I don’t feel it anyway-the madness of it all!

Lots of love to you all,
I think I’m turning hysterical; 😉

Hannah xxx

From: “Allison Senepart” <paradisepaint@callsouth.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine treatment – Att. Donna
Date: December 15, 2004 at 3:44:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No I didn’t use ibogaine because I didn’t really know too much about it back then. Have been clean for 2 yrs this last time and a couple of yrs a while ago. Seemed to have bounced around a lot back & forth but am feeling good now and the thought of using almost makes me start coughing up in advance if u know what I mean. Did a bit of methadone,a lot of pills and a lot of sleeping. The last few mgs of Methadone were the hardest by far. Seemed to take ages and hurt lots even though it was down to such a small amount. Feel like I’ve learned heaps from reading here but still don’t know of anyone in NZ that knows much about ibogaine. Closest is Jason from Australia who has just been treated by Sarah in Holland and seems to be doing well. Keep reading all the info. There are so many people on this site with good advice and that are so well informed. Best wishes. Allison

——-Original Message——-

From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 2:05:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine treatment – Att. Donna

Hi Allison

Thank you for that last message at least i know there is hope for me and my partner as before i read your message i thought it would never work one off one on, You have done really well i so envy you but watch this space I WILL DO IT !!! did you use ibogaine????

Love donnax

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Howard!!!!!!!!
Date: December 15, 2004 at 3:11:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Howard,
Religious epiphany,no,.I don’t believe in religion, though I know what you mean. If I had to have a religion as such, it would be KINDNESS.
Science fiction,…Mmmm,well I suppose thats future science,I believe we will one day do what Captain Kirk did
and Star Trek does.

Checked out Amsterdam,would like to do it again when strong and healthy,like I am becoming.
I know if I posted some of my visions it could cause much disruption,some are political and almost to
powerful to believe.Maybe it is just my imagination.

I am still open,I have to be carefull what I let in,this is how I feel,I
think two more weeks and I will be jogging.
Ground controll to Major Tom.
With love,Jasen smiling.

Le 30/11/04 21:13, « HSLotsof@aol.com » <HSLotsof@aol.com> a écrit :

We have known each other before
Julie,I say this with the utmost respect,I feel I know
Randy,Sean,Howard,Martee,preston and wife and others on this list it’s
quite
odd.
Will talk soon Smiles Jasen.

Well Jasen,

We could all say we have been waiting for you. Now is this a religious
epiphany or just a science fiction scenario? mmmmmm?

Have you checked out Amsterdam as Dave suggested? One of the art museums
could be a really interesting tour.

I would love to have some idea of your visions though email is fine if
they
are too personal and that is not rare at all.

Howard

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen
Date: December 15, 2004 at 2:32:58 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen

There’s a Museum of Tropical Art or some such that is pretty
amazing, lots of interesting cultural stuff. Plus the Van Gough is
stunning – and small enough to handle if you’re low on energy.

Hey slowone@hush,
Thanks for the email,I got to go to a few places in Amsterdam.
however not as much as I would have liked,the energy level was very very low.

I like art and Van Gough I am pissed that I missed him.
Hey, hows this ,in the red light district the girls are behind windows,so the guys window shop.
Too confronting at the time for me. Maybe when I am a lot older,if I am single that is.

The coffee shops were easy,went to Amsterdam with
Zoe,a girl that I met at Sara’s,she came with her boyfriend Tom,we stayed the night at Amsterdam
as brother and sister type of thing,was great,I feel a conection with them both,strong,we got on great.
Holland is beautiful and so is Sara.
With love, Jasen smiling.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. 🙂
Date: December 15, 2004 at 2:07:28 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie,
I ate, drank,and smoked a lot of the fruit,
it really helped.I ate some for you too,and smoked a joint for you in
one of the dozen or so coffee shops I visited,it was super skunk
naturally grown,no chemical.You really enjoyed it. 🙂

I am better,my mental strength is getting much better,
body still crying now and then, but not too much.
Guess what ,…I CAN HANDLE IT. WOO YOO.

I am home,I have not turned the tv on once,I used to watch
hours a night,now I am only interested in music.

I have not fully awakened yet,65 to 70 %.

My understanding is bliss,
My heart was filled with honey,it overflows
it is wonderful. I wish you and Randy and others were in Australia
so we could go for a coffee now and again,I feel somehow we will meet.

I find I am listening to music I loved when I was 15 and under,
Led zepplin,ELO,Gerry Rafferty,the cars,police,U2.Pink Floyd and supertramp.

Wow,these guys,some of them either tried Eboga,or did a lot of tripping whilst composing some
of their songs,it is like some of the songs were talking to me,Wow what a great guitar solo,”buying a stair way to heaven” Led Zepplin.
I was tempted twice on the first day back,however the choice is easier now,I made my choice,”F.ck off.But
in a nice way,my body wants it my mind does not need it,the Eboga took a lot of the pain away,it cleared my
emotional blockages,healed my hurt,which we all have. I AM BEING HEALED and it is glorious.

Love ya girl.
With love,Jasen Smiling.

—– Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:02 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jasen

You sound so much better, Jasen…glad to hear it. I
was thinking of you recently, wondering how it was
going for you.

Are you planning to travel at all? How are the
Netherlands? I’m so jealous you’re there right now,
and I hope you’ll test the fruits of the Cannabis Cup
for me.

love Julie

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:40:54 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen

There’s a Museum of Tropical Art or some such that is pretty amazing, lots of interesting cultural stuff. Plus the Van Gough is stunning – and small enough to handle if you’re low on energy.
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:02:30 -0800 Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com> wrote:
You sound so much better, Jasen…glad to hear it. I
was thinking of you recently, wondering how it was
going for you.

Are you planning to travel at all? How are the
Netherlands? I’m so jealous you’re there right now,
and I hope you’ll test the fruits of the Cannabis Cup
for me.

love Julie

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo (Jasen)
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:36:56 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mate,for some reason Randy,I cannot imagine you comming accross as preaching,YOU ARE DOING.
I love ya mate.
—– Original Message —– with love, Jasen smiling.
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo (Jasen)

Jasen, have you looked at the staying clean link on the Mindvox page? There is some good advice there. I know for me that after 2 months I still feel rewired. The world hasn’t changed but what is in my head has. I intend to make it stay that way. Counseling, 12 step meetings, and being on this list daily keep me in the mix. Plus I never read this list without at least once laughing. It used to make me cry. Really. I really don’t mean to preach, I just want to see you get where you are going and be happy. I sure am. Randy

From: “Kirsty Sutherland” <captkirk@kol.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:34:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,
Yeh you are right about the methadone. It doesn’t seem to matter how low you get, it’s still a nightmare to come off. Heard of a guy who got down to 2 mg a day, and still had trouble!! Was a huge decision to go back on it, but it’s for the best just now…..all part of the journey.
Kirsty
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au]  Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 7:27 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

hjasen yes it is long road post eboga i know i am at 29 days or so and like i have saifd before it isn’t better everyday but it iS better everey few days. i would say i am 70 i was opiated for close to twenty years (on and off and methadoned to the tune of 80- then down to 50 mgs for the last 9 years afte r the death of my wife from either cocain or heroin od we whad a six year old sun i was trying to raise (fairly succesfully) but need to not be sick so you know all that. following your journey from your home to Saras has ben so great i hope to go to her in six months or so i feel you and am hanging tough feeling noribogain ereleasing in fast furious pace at time sttill getting trails everyso often and more at times i love that. i am going to try and go back to work in about 3 weeks i miss the fun of a big construction site i am an electrician and we all have a ballwhile working pretty hard so hang tough brother and give sara a big hug frim bioth rachel and I we spoke briefly in march whe i was in amsterdam with a band and she maybe remebers Freak Freee jeff

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo (Jasen)
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:34:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Lee,
Yes I am a winner,the love and support on this list is amazing,..healing,it is love.
Thankyou,I am experiencing a lot of changes,I am starting to know who you are.
With love Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Lee Albert
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo (Jasen)

And I know everyone is happy for you. You are doing well post ibo. Looks like you are on a winner. A lot of changes coming through in your posts. Congratulations. Lee

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:26:43 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceuticals – most deadly addiction?(0t) Att. Sara
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:06:23 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Ron,
I whole heartedly agree with Randy.
With love ,Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceuticals – most deadly addiction?(0t) Att. Sara

thank you. you guys are great! ron
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Pharmaceuticals – most deadly addiction?(0t) Att. Sara

Ron I must repeat myself. If Sara says she can help you I would bet my grandfathers sax that she can. And that sax is the only thing except for my family I didn’t lose in my addiction. None of this is cut and dry. We all took a leap of faith. I’ve had major colon surgery that I didn’t talk about because I was afraid they wouldn’t treat me. I wanted to be clean so I took a leap of faith. My mother held her breath for 2 days while I tripped. It never entered my mind while I was in the holodeck. Ibogaine is a gift from GOD and Mother Nature. They know what to do better than we do. Hang tough dude. Randy

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hey n
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:03:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey N,
I am keeping it up,and it’s rock fu.king solid,
It’s aaaall good.
WOO YOO. With love Jasen smiling.
—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I am free free Jasen at Sara’s

I can’t believe I am not smoking.No methadone,No
heroin
or cocaine. Nhaata.

WOW.
With love Jasen.

rock. fucking solid brother. keep that shit up man.

fukn a
n

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <JasenHappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] I am free, Jasen at home
Date: December 15, 2004 at 1:01:11 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com