Ibogaine List Archives – 2006-02

From: marko <marko@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: February 28, 2006 at 1:17:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard et all,

I think that such data can be easily derived from the Questionaire at the Research section of
http://sacrament.kibla.si/
so I kindly ask everybody who had an IBOgaine experience (or multiple IBOgaine experiences) to fill the questionnaire – it only takes less than 5 minutes… and we get a LOT of scientific data 😉

BTW, the questionaire is NOT for Sacrament of Transition members only, as Krista Vaughan pointed out!

Thank you for all inputs,

Marko

HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred, spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: February 28, 2006 at 2:29:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,
I had a religious type of spiritual experience on a
low dose of ibogaine.  This was a blissfull feeling with christian
images of Jesus.

I had some other experiences which seemed spiritual in a
different way. A long sequence of watching a peacefull self fullfilled
society where people lived uncomplicated and content lives and also
seeing them dealing with death and their wonderment at this process
and the world.

I also communicated with my dead Grandfather and
communication with future alien societies.  I don’t know wether it was
just my mind but those experiences were spiritual.  There might have
been others but I can’t remember of hand.  Most of my other
experiences didn’t seem that spiritual though I wasn’t particularly
interested in searching for spirituality which could be a factor.  I’m
becoming more curious about this so maybe next time.

Luke

On 2/28/06, HSLotsof@aol.com <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with
ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what
percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty
broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your
responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred,
spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

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From: Aubert Little <aubertlittle@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello All
Date: February 28, 2006 at 2:09:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Greetings,

My name’s Aubert and I’m new to the ibogaine mailing list.  I first read about ibogaine three or four years ago and thought that it would be an interesting experience.  Today things are much different and my interest in ibogaine has changed as well.  I started my journey into altered states of consciousness at about 15 years old, young and naive.  Now six years later I’ve let myself, close friends, and family down many times due to my own neglegence.

At 18 years old I served sometime in Los Angeles County Jail for a sales charge (meth, mdma).  I got a DUI about a year after being released from jail.  I was on formal probation for the sales charge for three years so I had to drug test randomly… this actually helped me stay pretty clean and live a healthy life.  However, once I paid off my debt to the state and my probation was terminated I got a little reckless and went back into pushing.  At first it was strictly pushing and no using, then a little party usage here and there, and now the usage has taken on a life of it’s own and my attempts at putting a stop to it always start off strong but end in me eating my words along with the drugs.

I still work full time and maintain myself and my life the best I can, but it’s wearing me down and I desire nothing more than to put a stop to all my cravings, whims, and urges.  I know deep down that I have gotten everything positive I can out of using drugs and am now only hurting myself and my ability to function in reality.

I use to have a strong will and I considered myself to have a very non-addictive personality, but the meth and oxy’s are still giving me trouble, even after I promised myself that they never would interfere with my life again.

My family doesn’t have much money nor do I, but I am willing to put what money I can into obtaining ibogaine.  I believe I have enough resolve to stay clear of substance usage after the iboga journey, but don’t have any idea how I can get ibogaine.  I’ve read about rehabilitation clinics that use ibogaine and of course the journey to Africa and even Mexico, but I don’t have the time nor the money.

I don’t smoke ciggarettes, I enjoy working out at the gym (it’s either gym or drugs, currently it’s been drugs), I work full time, and have enough things on my plate to keep me away from drugs, but I need to break the cycle I’ve created.  Drugs are my coping mechanism for stress and responsibility.  I really do feel it’s time I face and solve problems that come my way instead of putting them off or trying to forget about them with drugs.

If anyone can offer any help on obtaining the ibogaine here in California it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for reading.

Regards,
Aubert

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine – sacred or profane experience
Date: February 28, 2006 at 12:33:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear list,

A question recently came up as to what percentage of persons treated with ibogaine or taking ibogaine have had a spiritual experience and what percentage has a profane or secular experience.  I realize these are pretty broad ranging definitions to work with but, I am interested in your responses.

And, when you answer please give a definition of what you consider sacred, spiritual, profane or secular.

Thanks

Howard

From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Detox b4 Detoxing^_^Tnxs Sara
Date: February 28, 2006 at 12:30:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would like to thank  Sara, for putting me in the right direction and being of such great support. Bless you Sara, for all your random acts of unconditional love and kindness. You are an Angel darling.
This works, cos I have been using it for just over a month now and have got a crazy usage of, Alc, Meth, H, Benzos, SSRI’s and anticonvulsants, for pain relief of Neuropathic pain, down to 35ml Meth and 15mg Diazepam. Nothing else, just smoke^_^!!!
I grant you, reading and taking the above for pain, is kind of like trying to shoot a rabbit, at point blank range, with a twelve bore shot gun. Not much of the rabbit left.!
Anyway I’m still here.^_^
Detox before Detoxing:)
Your body contains eliminative organs whose function is to keep the body working efficiently. Each of your eliminative organs has an essential role to play, each depending on the other so are either supportive of, or supported by, one another in some way, allowing the body to feel energized, nourished and supported. It’s obvious though that if some of the support network breaks down at any point that problems can and do occur.
Eliminative Organs: Lungs, Skin, Lymph, Blood, Liver and Kidneys, Colon.
I have gathered a great amount of info, plus sources and links, on all of the above subjects, but I shall deal for the moment with, supporting your eliminative Organs, ie, Liver, Kidneys and Colon.
The Liver and Kidneys are the blood’s filtration system, filtering the blood and cleansing it of waste matter and toxins it has collected. The Liver and Kidneys cleanse and refresh the blood and then tip out the waste they have collected, solids into the Colon or liquid into the bladder.
Colon or Mucoid plaque harbours toxins, poisons and free radicals, and pathogenic bacteria and parasites live in and under the plaque and constantly seep into the bloodstream and lymph settling in the weaker areas of the body especially the Liver, Kidneys and Spleen.
Once these eliminative organs become overloaded with toxins they become sluggish and are unable to perform their proper functions. The Liver is supposed to dump the waste it has accumulated into the Colon, but if for any reason this isn’t happening or it is overwhelmed then the Liver itself will get blocked with something that resembles sludge or even small stone like mineral deposits. Encouraging the Liver to really “Dump” its accumulated waste into the Colon is performed with a Liver flush. Liver flushes work better after a thorough Colon cleanse.
The Liver has 500 different known functions. Physiologically we develop weakness of the Liver when we have abused our bodies by (taking drugs) eating acid forming foods. The Liver is affected by negative thoughts and emotions.
It therefore makes considerable sense to periodically cleanse the Liver the Liver and Kidneys, this supports the body in its attempts to maintain health. Liver Flush programme and Kidney cleanse follows. Eat plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables and nuts and at least 8 glasses of pure water per day.
Liver Flush:- This is a 7 day Liver flush. The day and night of Day 7 is the climax for this flush, so I strongly recommend you stay at home this day so you have, peaceful, access to the toilet just when you need it:)
Days 1-6.
Take one capsule of Cytocleanse and one capsule of Psyllium husks 3 times a day with plenty of water. In addition drink 1 litre of organic apple juice throughout the day and 2 litres of water with lemon squeezed into it throughout the day. Stick to a light diet of fresh fruit and vegetables, nuts and seeds, brown rice, white meat and fish. Each evening dry skin brush thoroughly and soak in a warm bath with a cup of Epsom salts mixed in.
(Anyone interested in dry skin brushing, contact me).
Day 7:-
Take the Cytocleanse, Psyllium husks, apple juice and water as usual. Have only a light diet of fruit for breakfast. Organic vegetables for lunch. 2 hours after lunch drink a mixture of 2 tablespoons of Epsom salts mixed in a small glass of water. Repeat this again after another 2 hours. After another 2 hours have a large fresh fruit salad with generous amount of organic double cream (yes, double cream). In the evening dry skin brush and take a hot Epsom salt bath.
Just before going to bed mix 90ml of organic cold pressed virgin olive oil with 90ml of freshly squeezed grapefruit juice and drink it down. Dip one 40cmx40cm cotton cloth in 125ml of Castor Oil. Soak the cloth thoroughly and then squeeze out surplus oil gently. The cloth should be completely wet but not “drippy”. Fold the cloth in half and wrap it on the right side of your body, just under your ribs and around your waist. This way it sits over the Liver.
Wrap yourself in cling film so as none of the oil can escape onto your bed and then retire to bed with a warm hot water bottle lying on the cloth covered side of your body.
It is likely that you will need to go to toilet a few times through the night and this is when you may pass sludge or stones.
Place a colander in the toilet bowl if you want to have a look. A liver flush is more effective following a Colon cleanse.
Take it easy for a day or two after you finish the flush, as it may take a while to feel as if you have processed the oil.
Try this Detox diet for 7 days and see how your body responds. See if you feel better, even if you do not want to admit it.

Detox diet:-
It is easy, just make a commitment to avoid, for 7 days,
Wheat, Dairy products, Pasta, Potatoes, Alcohol, Red meat and Caffeine and processed, refined or heavily flavoured or spiced foods.
Instead, stick to a plentiful variety of fresh clear fluids and juices, eat locally produced “seasonal organic” fruit and vegetables, select white meats, fish and brown rice. Use natural honey and unrefined sugars for those of you with a sweet tooth:)
When you start to reintroduce food types, track the effects. Are there some things that negatively affect you? Cut them out full time and you could benefit long term. Giving your Colon foods that are less effort to process reduces Colonic stress.
Finding foods that are natural, wholesome, high-fibre and low-fat are what you should be seeking out.
Be honest with yourself about the effect different foods have on you.
Part 2 to come  Colon Cleanse.
If anyone would like more in depth info, of “How to”, Where can I, or just want questions answered, please contact me.
I have a mass of info and can get required herbs and equipment easily.

Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirk here….
Date: February 27, 2006 at 11:05:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirk it is great to see you so lucid and feeling so well. I figured you had lotso help, it’s really cool to see how many beautiful people are willing to help isn’t it? I just have to say one thing though, don’t forget to eat some yogurt everyday for about a week (in my opinion) it helps to replace the bacteria in your stomach that the Ibogaine will deplete. Tell Jasen hey for me, and may the love light shine on you forever.           Randy

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirk here….
Date: February 27, 2006 at 9:14:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/27/06 8:40:11 PM, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

man what a relief,
thought that was going to last forever!

Hi Kirk,

I’m anticipating you will feel great tomorrow.  Everyone thinks it will last forever.  And I think everyone is glad they were wrong.

Best regards,

Howard

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] kirk here….
Date: February 27, 2006 at 8:12:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

After writing this, about an hour later, I felt a huge wave of release, and
I feel almost whole again, even been doing housework, man what a relief,
thought that was going to last forever!
Have to go get supplies will write more later. Hard to think about what went
on when yer feeling like shite,
Anyway, HUGE thanks to Eric…… sorry about this always being on when you
rang, we kept forgetting to disconnect lol but you were AWESOME :o)
Hugs 2 Ekki… you dah man.
Ok
Love to all
Kirk xxx

—–Original Message—–
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 1:01 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirk here….

Hi to all,
Thx for your thoughts etc,
Still feeling pretty rough, as im sure you all remember, but still
breathing, still processing it all.
I’ll write more when I can, just wanted to check in
If I ever had to go into battle, I’d want Jasen right there…..his level of
care and providing has been incredible; professional and attentive all the
way, nice hot baths  with herbs n flowers (felt like a soup) ..teas n
supplements and god I love Kava it roks. Anyway, I’ve been blessed to have
Jasen here, wouldn’t have got thru it without him.
Love to all
Kirsty xx

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirk here….
Date: February 27, 2006 at 7:01:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi to all,
Thx for your thoughts etc,
Still feeling pretty rough, as im sure you all remember, but still
breathing, still processing it all.
I’ll write more when I can, just wanted to check in
If I ever had to go into battle, I’d want Jasen right there…..his level of
care and providing has been incredible; professional and attentive all the
way, nice hot baths  with herbs n flowers (felt like a soup) ..teas n
supplements and god I love Kava it roks. Anyway, I’ve been blessed to have
Jasen here, wouldn’t have got thru it without him.
Love to all
Kirsty xx

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From: “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] SILICON chips implanted?
Date: February 27, 2006 at 4:26:35 PM EST
To: “Ibogaine List” <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It sounds like a science fiction movie but who knows what!

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story263.htm

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] peyote law in Utah
Date: February 27, 2006 at 12:42:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Dana.  Keep ’em coming.  My ethnological problem with the collusion of ethics is that it still ends up smelling like a freshly whitewashed Columbus Day all over and over and over and over again… Quantum-like (?) repetitions of processes of possession.  What can help maintain “boundaries of respect”?

She recognizes that many who have joined native circles are “really good people.”

“We’re trying to help them understand the delicate nature of the situation. We say ‘share prayer, but keep in place the boundaries of respect for who we are.’ ”

love, Rachel

 

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo mention by Graham Hancock
Date: February 27, 2006 at 12:33:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The very first sentence of Graham’s latest book Supernatural begins thus:

“I was lying on the sofa in Bath, England waiting for the ibogaine to take hold….”

Or words to this exact effect. I may have one or two slightly wrong, but this is pretty much word for word. I’m feeling too lazy to dig out the book and check it but I’m sure this is as close to it as need be.
His presentation at COSM for the Underground book release shin-dig was AWESOME and I most highly recommend his book.
Here’s one of the two version of the review I wrote for HT that still is unpublished so please don’t post it anywhere, yet, unless I let you know further developements- that is, if you want to post it elsewhere:

Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind

A review by Preston Peet

In “Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind,” (Century, 2005) controversial, best selling author Graham Hancock takes a hands-on exploration of some of the more potent plant hallucinogens. His theory is that the human beings who first began painting the gorgeous, enigmatic cave paintings 50,000 year ago, practiced religion, and learned thousands of secrets of the plant world were genuinely taught by “beings” encountered while under the influence of such extremely “hallucinogenic” substances as ibogaine, ayahuasca, mushrooms, DMT and more.

Hancock wraps up theories of other researchers and his own, that sacred plants were the catalyst for gnosis and creativity in humans in pre-history. Hancock is curious how professors today, who’ve never tried these drugs but call themselves professionals in the field, tell us authoritatively what others are experiencing while under the influence, and whether others’ visions are “real” or not.

“In Britain my sense is the majority of people probably don’t want to think about this kind of material at all – especially since it involves the taboo subject of drugs,” Hancock says. “But the US is different. Although there are deeply reactionary tendencies in the US there is also the other half of America which goes its own way and thinks its own thoughts and feels strongly about individual freedom.”

Hancock believes the War on Some Drugs and Users is not only evil but that it is cutting us off from valuable knowledge, that we are learning nothing new from what the planet supplied us as learning tools.

“Yes I completely agree with you about the sinister Orwellian evil of the War on Drugs,” Hancock tells me. “It is a madness that has seized our societies. The more I see these kinds of maneuverings going on, the more I realize how deeply public opinion is manipulated and how the very use of language (Orwell again!) is designed to shape our perceptions of drugs, the more depressed, frustrated and unhappy I feel. By language I mean, for example, the constant coupling of the words drug and abuse. By getting into the linguistic structures of the brain, such “ab”use of language actually stops large numbers of people from ever thinking rationally about the subject at all.

“We are sleep-walking into the abyss of ‘consciousness crimes’.”

This is one of the best books I’ve read this year, an educational yet entertaining voyage from 50,000 years ago, perhaps longer, right up through today. I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in what launched human beings on the path of “intelligence” all those years ago.
—–
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“Nobody said it would be fair.
But in the end I think it is.
Karma, justice, whatever you call it,
it’s really there just keep looking for it.
Nobody said it would be fair.
They warned you before you went out there.
But there’s always a chance to get restarted,
to a new world, new life, scarred but smarter.”
Drivin’ and Cryin’- “Scarred but Smarter”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibo mention by Graham Hancock

Tune in, turn on . . . evolve?
MICHAEL POSNER
From Saturday’s Globe and Mail

On the walls of dozens of caves in southern France and northern Spain lie some of the most majestic works of art ever painted. Drawn 25,000 to 40,000 years ago, the paintings have puzzled anthropologists since they were discovered more than four decades ago.
Where did this astonishing display of talent come from? Why did these prehistoric societies decide to paint these scenes in such remote locations? And what inspired them to paint the strange array of bisons, horses and therianthropes (part animal, part man)?
A scientific consensus of sorts has finally emerged on one of those questions: Although there are still dissenters, a majority of anthropologists now champion the theory that the paintings in Europe were the work of shamans, and in part the product of trance states, likely induced by psilocybin (the psychoactive ingredient in some species of mushrooms).

Similarly, South African anthropologist David Lewis-Williams maintains that the remarkable rock art of the San people of southern Africa, also painted at least 25,000 years ago, is the result of shamanic trances created by drumming and ritual ecstatic dancing.
In his new book, Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, published by Random House, British writer Graham Hancock has taken Prof. Lewis-Williams’s research as a point of departure to posit a theory as fascinating as it is provocative: If it’s true that cave art derives from altered states of consciousness, then it constitutes a watershed moment in human history, marking the first visible encounter with the supernatural, the first expression of spiritual myth.
Perhaps not coincidentally, the paintings were begun just when, according to anthropologists, human civilization made a great leap forward in terms of social organization, hunting-and-gathering skills and general creativity.
Mr. Hancock (previously author of Fingerprints of the Gods and The Sign and the Seal) notes striking similarities between cave paintings produced by shamanic artists 25,000 years ago and the abundant descriptions of fairies, elves, angels and other fantastic creatures commonly reported in Europe from the medieval ages to the 17th century.
And what is their modern equivalent? Mr. Hancock suggests the myriad accounts of alien abduction. His new book devotes several hundred pages to documenting these parallels, showing a surprising commonality of visions.
Although he does not rule out the possibility of extraterrestrial encounters, Mr. Hancock says the vast majority of these accounts are more logically explained by spontaneous entrance into trance states.
Because few of the alien abductees are users of mind-altering drugs, the most likely explanation, he believes, is that the brains of a small percentage of the population contain slightly higher levels of dimethyltryptamine (DMT) than already occur naturally in humans, as well as in other mammals, frogs, grasses, barks and flowers. Such people, he says, don’t need to consume magic mushrooms or any other drug in order to enter trance states: Their hallucinogenic potential is more or less built-in.
Mr. Hancock insists that just because such events and encounters may not have occurred on a physical plane, it doesn’t mean they never happened. His book quotes Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, who wrote that the brain, biochemically altered, tunes to “another wavelength than that corresponding to normal, everyday reality.”
As part of his project, Mr. Hancock plunged himself into the netherworld of mind-altering drugs — he ate psychedelic mushrooms, took the African drug ibogaine, drank ayahuasca tea 13 times and smoked DMT. His own drug experiences included multiple encounters with “spirit beings” that, he insists, have profoundly changed him.
“This life we look at is only a fragment of reality. . . . What the physicists have arrived at with the notion of parallel dimensions, through their methods, is pretty much the same as what shamans are arriving at through their methods,” Mr. Hancock says. “Except shamans are ahead of the quantum physicists, because they can actually get into those dimensions.”
Going a few steps further than the late John Allegro, a Dead Sea scholar who suggested in the 1970s that early Christianity was essentially a mushroom-and-sex cult, Mr. Hancock maintains that all religions are “rooted and grounded in shamanic experiences.”
In Toronto recently to promote his book, Mr. Hancock said organized religion as we know it is “the attempt to account for and explain those experiences. And then the bureaucrats come in, take it over, become the priesthood, impose themselves as the sole intermediaries, and eventually lose the connection to the spiritual life that once was at the heart of the religion. We’ve seen that again and again.
“I don’t even know if God isn’t one of those things that happen after the bureaucrats step in. Indeed, many monotheistic religions are very opposed to altered states of consciousness. And so we’ve lost contact with the origins of religion.”
The use of most hallucinogens, of course, is outlawed in most Western nations. In that context, Mr. Hancock — a former Economist correspondent in East Africa who gave up journalism to begin writing bestselling books about lost civilizations — says most of us live under a repressive regime.
“If you pause to think about it,” he says, “the essence of a human being is consciousness. Without it, we are nothing. So it’s a transgression of my sovereignty as an individual that some other individual can rule on what experiences I may or may not have with my consciousness, doing no harm to others.”
Long prison terms await those convicted of experimenting with their consciousness. That, Mr. Hancock says, “tells me our society is deeply afraid of this problem and is engaged in a propaganda war to persuade us that these drugs are dangerous.”
Various long-term studies show that the only people seriously adversely affected by hallucinogens are schizophrenics. Meanwhile, he says, more common risks are played down. “Look at the mass slaughter on our roads. Look at over-the-counter drugs, which also kill many people. Look at extreme sports. We don’t seem to have a problem with any of that.”
Even if the current prohibitions were lifted, Mr. Hancock thinks it’s unlikely that millions would sign up for a psychedelic journey. “Taking ayahusaca, for example, is a scary experience. Most people would be quite happy to stay locked in their world.”
Mr. Hancock himself is not finished exploring the mysteries of human consciousness. Acknowledging the gap between the lessons learned while in a trance state and applying them to life afterward, he says his experiences have made him less intolerant, less judgmental, less prone to anger. “I’ve really tried to take those insights and integrate them.”
He intends to spend part of this summer at a retreat in Brazil, where ayahuasca is legal, drinking the tea every other day for two weeks. “I’m only certain that there’s a huge mystery here,” he says. “I’m not certain what the answer to the mystery is.”
Michael Posner is a feature writer for The Globe and Mail.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] peyote law in Utah
Date: February 27, 2006 at 11:01:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

revtombrown@hotmail.com wrote:

To all our relations,

Greetings in the name of the most high, Jah Rastafari, ever faithful, ever sure, Jah Rastafari.

One Love Brethren.

Your article states, “Federal law requires one be a member of the Native American Church of
North America as well as a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe to use peyote.”
That is completely untrue.  21 Code of Federal Regulations sec. 1307.31 states that members of the Native American Church acting in sincere religious exercise are immune from prosecution for possesion and use of peyote.  That is not a law that requires one to be a member of a church, that law simply provides an exemption from prohibition for those who are members of a church in sincere religious exercise.

Additionally, all federal courts that have considered the matter have ruled that the government cannot dictate racial composition of churchs, cannot require church membership to gain a benefit from the government, nor can dictate that a person be a member of a federally recognized tribe in order to gain a benefit that is not simply contractural between the tribe and the government.

In addition, the Religious Freedom Restooration Act of 1993 and the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (42 U.S.C. sec. 2000bb, cc et al) specifically prohibit government from prohibiting religious establishment and exercise unless the government can prove a threat to public health and safety of such magnitude that it has a compelling interest to do so.  Then the government must prove that the least restrtictive meaqns of regulation has been used. (see U.S. Supreme Court website for Cutter v. Wilkinson, case number 03-9877 decided May 31, 2004, and Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita, case number 04-1084 decided February 21, 2006)

It is important to recognize that while the use of peyote was documented over 4000 years ago in cave paintings in Northern Mexico, none of the tribes north of Dallas used peyote until after 1870.  Peyote became important to the non-peyote using tribes after the defeat of the tribes because peyote helps us to grow in spiritual understanding. The native american victoms of genecide needed that kind of spiritual medicine to overcome the pain of their persecution.  In addition, it was the defeat of the individual tribes that allowed them to overcome their own prejudice and issolationist tendencies towards other tribes, and peyote’s spiritual lessons help that to happen.

So, while the Utah law does specify that all races are elegible for exemption from peyote prohibition, that does not contradict federal law and if it did the federal law would be unconsitiutional according to the rulings of the fedeal courts.

One Love revtombrown

Rev. Tom Brown, First Church of the Magi, P.O.Box 642, Upper Lake, California 95485 (707) 275-8879

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SURVIVAL OF THE SACRED

Controversy Simmers Over Whether Non-Indians Can Understand and
Respect Native Spirituality

When news spread that Arvol Looking Horse would be visiting Utah, many who practice American Indian spirituality were thrilled.

Some also felt a chill.

Looking Horse, after all, has come to represent the growing sentiment among many American Indians that non-Indians do not belong in the center of sacred ceremonial practice.

A Lakota spiritual leader, Looking Horse – with the support of dozens of Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, Cheyenne and Arapaho leaders – issued a proclamation in 2003 calling for an end to exploitation of ceremonies.

Non-Indians, he says, are welcome to join Indians in prayer and on the periphery, but they should not lead the most sacred ceremonies, such as the Sundance and Vision Quest.

Not only do Indians with little appreciation of tradition pervert and sell ceremonies and their tools, he argues, but also non-Indians dabble in something they do not fully understand.

Drawn by native spirituality’s understanding of nature, plants and animals – and often packing their own New Age notions – scores of non-Indians have been attracted to native spirituality.

“A lot of people are doing things, and they’ve only got a shadow,” says Lacee Harris, a social worker from Salt Lake City. Harris is a Northern Ute-Northern Paiute.

When Looking Horse was invited to Utah from South Dakota for various appearances along the Wasatch Front last week, audiences expected to hear him expound on the issue.

He didn’t.

But that doesn’t mean Looking Horse, averse to conflict, has backed away from his insistence that Indians reclaim their faith. Indeed, he believes the future of the human race hinges, in part, on the ceremonial practices.

“There is a lot about our [way of] life that is essential to the survival of the two-leggeds,” he said in an interview.

Those who take part in ceremonies for their own gratification do not realize there are ramifications for others, he says.

“They begin a slow killing of the medicine,” he says.

“They don’t realize they destroy the creator by doing this,” adds his wife, Paula Horne Mullen.

Time to ‘pick up the pipe’: Ogden resident Robin Naneix is one of those struggling to understand where that leaves her.

Reared in Georgia, Naneix was taught Indian ways – such as talking to plants and looking for signs in nature – by her grandmother, whose own mother was Cherokee but who never called her ways “Indian.”

For a number of reasons, the family did not end up on the tribal roles. Naneix is fair-skinned, with dark blond hair.

After trying on Christianity and looking into Buddhism, Naneix turned to Indian ways eight years ago. She studied and gradually learned the complexities of native spirituality, careful to respect traditions.

Like many who began practicing Indian spirituality as adults, Naneix adopted Lakota ways because the Lakota Sioux generously have shared their traditions with strangers for the past century.

Through the years, Naneix believes she has been confirmed in her path.

She regularly finds eagle feathers as she spends time outdoors, a gift of the creator, she says. Dreams and visions told her three years ago that it was time to “pick up the pipe,” a significant step in a spiritual journey.

In December, she decided that next summer, she will do the Sundance – four days of nearly nonstop dancing with no food or water.

“In that sacred circle, you are one on one with creator,” Naneix says.

Looking Horse, she says, is a “very wise and spiritual man.”

But, “at the end of the day, he is a man. . . [who is] telling us we can’t be with the creator.”

“For me and my friends, it feels like it’s because of our color,” Naneix says. “We say that sounds racist.”

In her mind, taking part in sacred ceremonies should depend on one’s heart and preparation, not heritage.

“It comes down to: Are you being mindful and acting out of your heart?”

Rights & rites: Forrest Cuch, executive director of the Utah Division of Indian Affairs, notes another dimension to the controversy: legality.

“It is the only ethnic minority that has a political relationship with the U.S. Congress that came about as a result of war,” he says. “The treaties were made with the American Indian people, not with other people.”

Certain rights belong only to members of federally recognized Indian tribes, such as the right to possess eagle feathers, which represent knowledge and are vital in many native ceremonies. Another is the right to use peyote, a hallucinogen derived from cactus.

Federal law requires one be a member of the Native American Church of North America as well as a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe to use peyote.

Utah law, however, had a loophole allowing peyote use by non-Indians. The Legislature this session passed HB60 to make state law conform to federal law and it’s awaiting the signature of Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.

Cuch and leaders of Utah’s Indian tribes praise the measure as a step in remedying exploitation of native practices.

“A controlled substance has to be regulated,” Cuch says, “otherwise it will be abused.”

Like Looking Horse, Cuch laments the disrespect shown to native spirituality as it becomes popular among non-Indians.

“Far too many of them think that because they participate in a few ceremonies, they can become shamans and medicine people.”

But Cuch’s views on non-Indian participation in sacred ceremonies shows there is a wide divergence among Indian leaders.

“They [non-Indians] need to devote 15 or 20 years working as an apprentice. When they achieve that, Indian people will recognize and support them.”

Harris agrees it’s not impossible for a non-Indian to develop enough spiritually to be in the center of ceremonies.

“It is possible if they want to put in the time.”

Eleanor Iron Lightning, a Lakota who lives in Salt Lake City and invited Looking Horse, says “only a drop” of Indian blood is necessary for one to be on a path toward full participation in Indian ceremonies.

Looking Horse acknowledges he does not have the authority to enforce his view. That call is up to each community’s spiritual leader in each situation.

But, he and his wife say, the creator, through prophecies and revelation, has given particular ceremonies to particular native people for a reason.

“I wouldn’t want to start making ceremonial sand painting because I had a dream I was a Hopi,” Horne Mullen says. “As a Lakota, I have to respect that.”

She recognizes that many who have joined native circles are “really good people.”

“We’re trying to help them understand the delicate nature of the situation. We say ‘share prayer, but keep in place the boundaries of respect for who we are.’ ”

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibo mention by Graham Hancock
Date: February 27, 2006 at 10:51:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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Tune in, turn on . . . evolve?
MICHAEL POSNER
From Saturday’s Globe and Mail

On the walls of dozens of caves in southern France and northern Spain lie some of the most majestic works of art ever painted. Drawn 25,000 to 40,000 years ago, the paintings have puzzled anthropologists since they were discovered more than four decades ago.
Where did this astonishing display of talent come from? Why did these prehistoric societies decide to paint these scenes in such remote locations? And what inspired them to paint the strange array of bisons, horses and therianthropes (part animal, part man)?
A scientific consensus of sorts has finally emerged on one of those questions: Although there are still dissenters, a majority of anthropologists now champion the theory that the paintings in Europe were the work of shamans, and in part the product of trance states, likely induced by psilocybin (the psychoactive ingredient in some species of mushrooms).

Similarly, South African anthropologist David Lewis-Williams maintains that the remarkable rock art of the San people of southern Africa, also painted at least 25,000 years ago, is the result of shamanic trances created by drumming and ritual ecstatic dancing.
In his new book, Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, published by Random House, British writer Graham Hancock has taken Prof. Lewis-Williams’s research as a point of departure to posit a theory as fascinating as it is provocative: If it’s true that cave art derives from altered states of consciousness, then it constitutes a watershed moment in human history, marking the first visible encounter with the supernatural, the first expression of spiritual myth.
Perhaps not coincidentally, the paintings were begun just when, according to anthropologists, human civilization made a great leap forward in terms of social organization, hunting-and-gathering skills and general creativity.
Mr. Hancock (previously author of Fingerprints of the Gods and The Sign and the Seal) notes striking similarities between cave paintings produced by shamanic artists 25,000 years ago and the abundant descriptions of fairies, elves, angels and other fantastic creatures commonly reported in Europe from the medieval ages to the 17th century.
And what is their modern equivalent? Mr. Hancock suggests the myriad accounts of alien abduction. His new book devotes several hundred pages to documenting these parallels, showing a surprising commonality of visions.
Although he does not rule out the possibility of extraterrestrial encounters, Mr. Hancock says the vast majority of these accounts are more logically explained by spontaneous entrance into trance states.
Because few of the alien abductees are users of mind-altering drugs, the most likely explanation, he believes, is that the brains of a small percentage of the population contain slightly higher levels of dimethyltryptamine (DMT) than already occur naturally in humans, as well as in other mammals, frogs, grasses, barks and flowers. Such people, he says, don’t need to consume magic mushrooms or any other drug in order to enter trance states: Their hallucinogenic potential is more or less built-in.
Mr. Hancock insists that just because such events and encounters may not have occurred on a physical plane, it doesn’t mean they never happened. His book quotes Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, who wrote that the brain, biochemically altered, tunes to “another wavelength than that corresponding to normal, everyday reality.”
As part of his project, Mr. Hancock plunged himself into the netherworld of mind-altering drugs — he ate psychedelic mushrooms, took the African drug ibogaine, drank ayahuasca tea 13 times and smoked DMT. His own drug experiences included multiple encounters with “spirit beings” that, he insists, have profoundly changed him.
“This life we look at is only a fragment of reality. . . . What the physicists have arrived at with the notion of parallel dimensions, through their methods, is pretty much the same as what shamans are arriving at through their methods,” Mr. Hancock says. “Except shamans are ahead of the quantum physicists, because they can actually get into those dimensions.”
Going a few steps further than the late John Allegro, a Dead Sea scholar who suggested in the 1970s that early Christianity was essentially a mushroom-and-sex cult, Mr. Hancock maintains that all religions are “rooted and grounded in shamanic experiences.”
In Toronto recently to promote his book, Mr. Hancock said organized religion as we know it is “the attempt to account for and explain those experiences. And then the bureaucrats come in, take it over, become the priesthood, impose themselves as the sole intermediaries, and eventually lose the connection to the spiritual life that once was at the heart of the religion. We’ve seen that again and again.
“I don’t even know if God isn’t one of those things that happen after the bureaucrats step in. Indeed, many monotheistic religions are very opposed to altered states of consciousness. And so we’ve lost contact with the origins of religion.”
The use of most hallucinogens, of course, is outlawed in most Western nations. In that context, Mr. Hancock — a former Economist correspondent in East Africa who gave up journalism to begin writing bestselling books about lost civilizations — says most of us live under a repressive regime.
“If you pause to think about it,” he says, “the essence of a human being is consciousness. Without it, we are nothing. So it’s a transgression of my sovereignty as an individual that some other individual can rule on what experiences I may or may not have with my consciousness, doing no harm to others.”
Long prison terms await those convicted of experimenting with their consciousness. That, Mr. Hancock says, “tells me our society is deeply afraid of this problem and is engaged in a propaganda war to persuade us that these drugs are dangerous.”
Various long-term studies show that the only people seriously adversely affected by hallucinogens are schizophrenics. Meanwhile, he says, more common risks are played down. “Look at the mass slaughter on our roads. Look at over-the-counter drugs, which also kill many people. Look at extreme sports. We don’t seem to have a problem with any of that.”
Even if the current prohibitions were lifted, Mr. Hancock thinks it’s unlikely that millions would sign up for a psychedelic journey. “Taking ayahusaca, for example, is a scary experience. Most people would be quite happy to stay locked in their world.”
Mr. Hancock himself is not finished exploring the mysteries of human consciousness. Acknowledging the gap between the lessons learned while in a trance state and applying them to life afterward, he says his experiences have made him less intolerant, less judgmental, less prone to anger. “I’ve really tried to take those insights and integrate them.”
He intends to spend part of this summer at a retreat in Brazil, where ayahuasca is legal, drinking the tea every other day for two weeks. “I’m only certain that there’s a huge mystery here,” he says. “I’m not certain what the answer to the mystery is.”
Michael Posner is a feature writer for The Globe and Mail.

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 27, 2006 at 10:26:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Rachel & All, Rachel I just want to thank you for your writings, I like that your script seems so ego free & reports the goings on in such a spirit of love!, please keep us updated,love shell

Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
A few more impressions, from Day 2

The Chapel of Sacred Mirrors is truly a wondrous space.

Carl Ruck didn’t make it to the morning’s first set of talks on revelations from the sacred, so Lee Albert joined Dana Beal and Paul DiRienzo “at the table.”  Interesting speculations from our intrepid conference organizer (Dana the Daring) about the role of Syrian rue (harmala) in a potential chemical explanation for Christ’s survival on the Cross, and the subsequent search for the Holy Grail.  People familiar and/or uncomfortable with this line of mystic inquiry may have opted out of this session.  I found myself consulting Chapter 16, “The Passover Plot” of their book, _The Ibogaine Story:  Report on the Staten Island Project_, as well as its 4th Appendix by Flattery and Schwartz on the botanical identity and legacy of “soma.”  I’m personally cautious about this kind of rationalization and reimagination of an entheogenic history to one of the founding principles of Christianity.

Someone in the audience got up on the wrong side of bed and was hassling Dana after a while — pieman, where were you? — and it turned out he was impatiently awaiting his opportunity to take the mic.  Daniel Pinchbeck – way to warm up your audience, by insulting the conference organizer and then interrupting your international guest co-panelist in the middle of a prepared talk! It made it even harder to concentrate on Lee’s talk, sharing some of his experiences with the Bwiti Angels and guidance he’s gotten about releasing trauma, facing one’s shadow, and healing.  As Magnolia Martin said in her “a graduate” post a few days ago — sorry we didn’t get to meet! — the difference between internet personas and face-to-face interaction is profound.  Lee, I hope we stay in touch, and that Amazing Grace finds its way into the hands of a larger publishing house!

It seemed maybe Pinchbeck had a spring loose or tight or something, and actually felt a bit badly for the fellow, as I get nervous around public presentations myself.  But people who’ve met him before and are familiar with the shenanigans say no, he’s just rude.  I personally was made more unhappy to hear that his research for a new book on the 2012 prophecies proceeded without obtaining permission from the Hopi Tribe, which has been quite assertive about protecting and preserving its cultural property.  http://www.hopi.nsn.us/preservation.asp
Again, the ethics of spiritual seekers collude with the same greedy forces of colonization and resource extraction that contributed to our social mess in the first place!

Patrick returned for the next session, with Dana, sharing the vision of spreading the Word about this Sacrament of Transition that has been institutionally organized in Slovenia.  It was a provocative brainstorming session, with signficant audience input, and among others, Alex Grey suggested we might read Timothy Leary’s book, _Start Your Own Religion_.  There is a great deal of optimism about finding a niche in the religious protection allowances of the legal system (both U.S. and at the Hague) and of course fervent evangelism about spreading the good news that the Tree of Life is alive and well and has some kind of cosmic agenda to save the humans.  Or something like that.

So, medical therapeutic potential and spiritual restoration possibilities continue their ibogaine weave.

One of the compelling panels of the day followed lunch on the Art of Ibogaine, with work from Geerte Frenken, David Hunter, and Aivia Monitto.  Geerte’s piece on the rise and fall of addiction has always fascinated me when it flashes up on the Ibogaine Dossier, so it was a special treat to hear her share the process.  (Is it ok to post your online gallery URL?)  David’s talk took us through some of the visuals of his ibogaine treatments, and he premiered a new piece photoshopping an image of wild gorillas in a stand of Eboga bush that was heart-opening.  Alex also shared some of his process and inspiration while the techhies worked on rescuing Aivia’s presentation, and then she regaled us with commentary on some of the imagery of patent medicines, Iboga root, and photos of ritual use in African contexts.  It was interesting to be reminded that the modern magazines have their origins in patent medicine companies seeking ways to advertise their wares!

Finally, the wrap-up on hands-on practitioners of Ibogaine treatment brought together Howard, Dmitri, Dana, and Ken, and we were again reminded that there is a lot of love motivating this whole enterprise.  People have to pay their rent and put food on the table of course.  But there is a lot of idealism about the potential of this therapeutic course.  Dr. Alper mentioned the contrast between 1999 NYU conference where there was data on about 800 patients, and now that number is about 3500.  To put that in perspective, the National Institute on Drug Abuse estimates that there are two million “hard drug” users in the U.S. alone.  Not to mention the potential mental health benefits for the larger population or a related anti-stroke medicine.  No wonder Gabon calls it its national treasure!

Afterwards, a journalist shared with me that he had a figure of  320,000 people who sought treatment for opiates last year.  Surely for a good number of those ibogaine addiction interruption might not be the best option. But shouldn’t they have a choice?

Thank you to everyone who made this weekend what it was.  And best of luck to all the neuroscientists, psychologists, doctors, treatment providers, litigators, legislators, researchers, writers, political activists, spiritual seekers and lovers of humanity who are dancing in this dream of a route to freedom.  It was good to be with you — even if you couldn’t make it in person, you were all there.

love, Rachel

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece
Date: February 27, 2006 at 10:05:49 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, you’re so beautiful man!  It’s obvious that that the visit with Sara Glatt was a rejuvenating one – you got “the Glow.”  (And this great new way of signing off lyrically….)  I hope your version of “evangelism” keeps spreading the Word since it was that courageous, incredibly public sharing of your Ibogaine process in the summer of 2004 that got Jeff plugged into this treatment option in the first place.  We’ll have to get together on the LES one of these afternoons.  -rachel

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece
Date: February 27, 2006 at 7:46:57 AM EST
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Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks for posting this AND your report on the first day of the conference Rachel. You’re awesome.
It was really nice to see you and Jeff Sunday, and I’m sorry I didn’t get more of a chance to actually talk to Jeff but I was exhausted yesterday and had to go home early and hit my bed with my entire body.
Peace and love.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
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From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece

From what I could tell, there were two letters-to-the-editor in response to this “opinion piece” from a researcher at the conservative think tank, American Enterprise Institute, who is also (the head of?) Oasis treatment center in D.C.  I’m curious what others think of this.  Regards, Rachel

By Sally Satel, M.D.
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006

ARTICLES
New York Times
Publication Date: February 14, 2006

As a psychiatrist at a methadone clinic, I rarely encounter patients waving advertisements for the newest antidepressant or sleeping pill. Consumer-consciousness is just not big among our clientele.
So I was surprised when a patient asked about ”that pill for gambling addiction–maybe it would work for cocaine addiction, too.”
Ted was a 36-year-old heroin addict who stopped using once he began methadone but whose continuing cocaine habit increased in turn. Earlier that morning he heard a story on National Public Radio about a pill that helped pathological gamblers.
”The gambler on the radio said the medication made him stop ‘climbing the walls’ and that he wasn’t craving anymore,” Ted told me. ”That’s what I need, something to make me not want.”
That, of course, is the timeless quest of addicts in recovery: not to want. More specifically, effortlessly not to want.
But the very idea of a drug to treat addiction rankles others.
Some experts are skeptical of substitution drugs, like methadone, because they produce dependence themselves. Others believe that treatment should break the addict’s Pavlovian link between quick-fix relief and pill-taking. And psychotherapists often want a patient to feel the pain of his psychic conflicts in order to resolve them and thus eradicate the root cause of his addiction.
Personally, I have few reservations about using medications.
The most effective pharmaceutical model so far is drug substitution (with methadone or buprenorphine) that prevents opiate withdrawal. Blocking opiate molecules from attaching to receptors is another model. If someone uses heroin while taking a blocker like naltrexone, there is no effect, but few people will take naltrexone because of side effects. For alcoholics, there is the aversion drug antabuse. Drinking alcohol while taking it produces nausea and vomiting.
Another approach is to blunt craving; this is what the gambling study sought to do. It used a drug called nalmefene to block an opiatelike chemical produced naturally within the brain’s reward circuitry.
But medications are not going to displace therapists anytime soon. They simply don’t work that well. Even methadone, considered effective for opiate abuse, does not always snuff the desire to get high. Up to half of the patients in some methadone clinics also use some heroin or cocaine or Valium-like tranquilizers sold on the street.
Even nalmefene was far from overwhelming. As reported in this month’s American Journal of Psychiatry, gambling behavior declined more with the drug than with a placebo over the 16 weeks of the study, though the biggest drop occurred in the first few days of the study for the placebo and the drug, suggesting that mere participation in the study had a significant effect on gambling behavior. (Two-thirds of the patients dropped out of the study.)
Finally, it remains unclear whether prescribing drugs is superior to behavioral methods.
”The study is part of emerging evidence that gambling, once thought to be a problem in moral integrity, is instead a problem in brain biology and can be successfully treated,” Dr. Robert Freedman, editor of The American Journal of Psychiatry , told The Los Angeles Times.
This strikes me as overly optimistic. Moreover, though urges may be biological, trying to modulate those urges and, failing that, getting help and sticking with it, is surely a matter of moral integrity. Still, I would offer nalmefene to anyone struggling with gambling. Combined with behavioral treatment–a practice that improves outcomes with all pharmaceutical approaches to substance abuse–it might work well.
Which brings us to Ted. More than 20 drugs have been tested for cocaine addiction, and the search has come up empty. ”We have yet to find the kinds of truly effective medication for addiction to cocaine and alcohol that we now have for depression and psychosis,” says Dr. Eric Nestler, chairman of psychiatry at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and co-author of the editorial with the gambling article.
Personally, I wonder if we ever will. It is hard to imagine a medication that could alter the human longing for deep pleasure or oblivion. It may be possible to dull an intense, isolated urge that an addict experiences as alien; perhaps this is partly why we have been able to develop moderately effective medications for obsessive-compulsive disorder. But wanting a drug with your whole being involves a staggeringly complex interplay of motivation, emotions, memories and cognitions; resistance requires the user’s conscious cooperation.
The search for better anti-addiction medications is worthy, but we have to be realistic. The passive model of drug treatment for addiction is a pipe dream.
Dr. Sally Satel is a resident scholar at AEI.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 27, 2006 at 9:10:18 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for the two reports :]……any pictures???

 

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:16:01 -0500

A few more impressions, from Day 2

The Chapel of Sacred Mirrors is truly a wondrous space.

Carl Ruck didn’t make it to the morning’s first set of talks on revelations from the sacred, so Lee Albert joined Dana Beal and Paul DiRienzo “at the table.”  Interesting speculations from our intrepid conference organizer (Dana the Daring) about the role of Syrian rue (harmala) in a potential chemical explanation for Christ’s survival on the Cross, and the subsequent search for the Holy Grail.  People familiar and/or uncomfortable with this line of mystic inquiry may have opted out of this session.  I found myself consulting Chapter 16, “The Passover Plot” of their book, _The Ibogaine Story:  Report on the Staten Island Project_, as well as its 4th Appendix by Flattery and Schwartz on the botanical identity and legacy of “soma.”  I’m personally cautious about this kind of rationalization and reimagination of an entheogenic history to one of the founding principles of Christianity.

Someone in the audience got up on the wrong side of bed and was hassling Dana after a while — pieman, where were you? — and it turned out he was impatiently awaiting his opportunity to take the mic.  Daniel Pinchbeck – way to warm up your audience, by insulting the conference organizer and then interrupting your international guest co-panelist in the middle of a prepared talk! It made it even harder to concentrate on Lee’s talk, sharing some of his experiences with the Bwiti Angels and guidance he’s gotten about releasing trauma, facing one’s shadow, and healing.  As Magnolia Martin said in her “a graduate” post a few days ago — sorry we didn’t get to meet! — the difference between internet personas and face-to-face interaction is profound.  Lee, I hope we stay in touch, and that Amazing Grace finds its way into the hands of a larger publishing house!

It seemed maybe Pinchbeck had a spring loose or tight or something, and actually felt a bit badly for the fellow, as I get nervous around public presentations myself.  But people who’ve met him before and are familiar with the shenanigans say no, he’s just rude.  I personally was made more unhappy to hear that his research for a new book on the 2012 prophecies proceeded without obtaining permission from the Hopi Tribe, which has been quite assertive about protecting and preserving its cultural property.  http://www.hopi.nsn.us/preservation.asp
Again, the ethics of spiritual seekers collude with the same greedy forces of colonization and resource extraction that contributed to our social mess in the first place!

Patrick returned for the next session, with Dana, sharing the vision of spreading the Word about this Sacrament of Transition that has been institutionally organized in Slovenia.  It was a provocative brainstorming session, with signficant audience input, and among others, Alex Grey suggested we might read Timothy Leary’s book, _Start Your Own Religion_.  There is a great deal of optimism about finding a niche in the religious protection allowances of the legal system (both U.S. and at the Hague) and of course fervent evangelism about spreading the good news that the Tree of Life is alive and well and has some kind of cosmic agenda to save the humans.  Or something like that.

So, medical therapeutic potential and spiritual restoration possibilities continue their ibogaine weave.

One of the compelling panels of the day followed lunch on the Art of Ibogaine, with work from Geerte Frenken, David Hunter, and Aivia Monitto.  Geerte’s piece on the rise and fall of addiction has always fascinated me when it flashes up on the Ibogaine Dossier, so it was a special treat to hear her share the process.  (Is it ok to post your online gallery URL?)  David’s talk took us through some of the visuals of his ibogaine treatments, and he premiered a new piece photoshopping an image of wild gorillas in a stand of Eboga bush that was heart-opening.  Alex also shared some of his process and inspiration while the techhies worked on rescuing Aivia’s presentation, and then she regaled us with commentary on some of the imagery of patent medicines, Iboga root, and photos of ritual use in African contexts.  It was interesting to be reminded that the modern magazines have their origins in patent medicine companies seeking ways to advertise their wares!

Finally, the wrap-up on hands-on practitioners of Ibogaine treatment brought together Howard, Dmitri, Dana, and Ken, and we were again reminded that there is a lot of love motivating this whole enterprise.  People have to pay their rent and put food on the table of course.  But there is a lot of idealism about the potential of this therapeutic course.  Dr. Alper mentioned the contrast between 1999 NYU conference where there was data on about 800 patients, and now that number is about 3500.  To put that in perspective, the National Institute on Drug Abuse estimates that there are two million “hard drug” users in the U.S. alone.  Not to mention the potential mental health benefits for the larger population or a related anti-stroke medicine.  No wonder Gabon calls it its national treasure!

Afterwards, a journalist shared with me that he had a figure of  320,000 people who sought treatment for opiates last year.  Surely for a good number of those ibogaine addiction interruption might not be the best option. But shouldn’t they have a choice?

Thank you to everyone who made this weekend what it was.  And best of luck to all the neuroscientists, psychologists, doctors, treatment providers, litigators, legislators, researchers, writers, political activists, spiritual seekers and lovers of humanity who are dancing in this dream of a route to freedom.  It was good to be with you — even if you couldn’t make it in person, you were all there.

love, Rachel

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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 27, 2006 at 8:16:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A few more impressions, from Day 2

The Chapel of Sacred Mirrors is truly a wondrous space.

Carl Ruck didn’t make it to the morning’s first set of talks on revelations from the sacred, so Lee Albert joined Dana Beal and Paul DiRienzo “at the table.”  Interesting speculations from our intrepid conference organizer (Dana the Daring) about the role of Syrian rue (harmala) in a potential chemical explanation for Christ’s survival on the Cross, and the subsequent search for the Holy Grail.  People familiar and/or uncomfortable with this line of mystic inquiry may have opted out of this session.  I found myself consulting Chapter 16, “The Passover Plot” of their book, _The Ibogaine Story:  Report on the Staten Island Project_, as well as its 4th Appendix by Flattery and Schwartz on the botanical identity and legacy of “soma.”  I’m personally cautious about this kind of rationalization and reimagination of an entheogenic history to one of the founding principles of Christianity.

Someone in the audience got up on the wrong side of bed and was hassling Dana after a while — pieman, where were you? — and it turned out he was impatiently awaiting his opportunity to take the mic.  Daniel Pinchbeck – way to warm up your audience, by insulting the conference organizer and then interrupting your international guest co-panelist in the middle of a prepared talk! It made it even harder to concentrate on Lee’s talk, sharing some of his experiences with the Bwiti Angels and guidance he’s gotten about releasing trauma, facing one’s shadow, and healing.  As Magnolia Martin said in her “a graduate” post a few days ago — sorry we didn’t get to meet! — the difference between internet personas and face-to-face interaction is profound.  Lee, I hope we stay in touch, and that Amazing Grace finds its way into the hands of a larger publishing house!

It seemed maybe Pinchbeck had a spring loose or tight or something, and actually felt a bit badly for the fellow, as I get nervous around public presentations myself.  But people who’ve met him before and are familiar with the shenanigans say no, he’s just rude.  I personally was made more unhappy to hear that his research for a new book on the 2012 prophecies proceeded without obtaining permission from the Hopi Tribe, which has been quite assertive about protecting and preserving its cultural property.  http://www.hopi.nsn.us/preservation.asp
Again, the ethics of spiritual seekers collude with the same greedy forces of colonization and resource extraction that contributed to our social mess in the first place!

Patrick returned for the next session, with Dana, sharing the vision of spreading the Word about this Sacrament of Transition that has been institutionally organized in Slovenia.  It was a provocative brainstorming session, with signficant audience input, and among others, Alex Grey suggested we might read Timothy Leary’s book, _Start Your Own Religion_.  There is a great deal of optimism about finding a niche in the religious protection allowances of the legal system (both U.S. and at the Hague) and of course fervent evangelism about spreading the good news that the Tree of Life is alive and well and has some kind of cosmic agenda to save the humans.  Or something like that.

So, medical therapeutic potential and spiritual restoration possibilities continue their ibogaine weave.

One of the compelling panels of the day followed lunch on the Art of Ibogaine, with work from Geerte Frenken, David Hunter, and Aivia Monitto.  Geerte’s piece on the rise and fall of addiction has always fascinated me when it flashes up on the Ibogaine Dossier, so it was a special treat to hear her share the process.  (Is it ok to post your online gallery URL?)  David’s talk took us through some of the visuals of his ibogaine treatments, and he premiered a new piece photoshopping an image of wild gorillas in a stand of Eboga bush that was heart-opening.  Alex also shared some of his process and inspiration while the techhies worked on rescuing Aivia’s presentation, and then she regaled us with commentary on some of the imagery of patent medicines, Iboga root, and photos of ritual use in African contexts.  It was interesting to be reminded that the modern magazines have their origins in patent medicine companies seeking ways to advertise their wares!

Finally, the wrap-up on hands-on practitioners of Ibogaine treatment brought together Howard, Dmitri, Dana, and Ken, and we were again reminded that there is a lot of love motivating this whole enterprise.  People have to pay their rent and put food on the table of course.  But there is a lot of idealism about the potential of this therapeutic course.  Dr. Alper mentioned the contrast between 1999 NYU conference where there was data on about 800 patients, and now that number is about 3500.  To put that in perspective, the National Institute on Drug Abuse estimates that there are two million “hard drug” users in the U.S. alone.  Not to mention the potential mental health benefits for the larger population or a related anti-stroke medicine.  No wonder Gabon calls it its national treasure!

Afterwards, a journalist shared with me that he had a figure of  320,000 people who sought treatment for opiates last year.  Surely for a good number of those ibogaine addiction interruption might not be the best option. But shouldn’t they have a choice?

Thank you to everyone who made this weekend what it was.  And best of luck to all the neuroscientists, psychologists, doctors, treatment providers, litigators, legislators, researchers, writers, political activists, spiritual seekers and lovers of humanity who are dancing in this dream of a route to freedom.  It was good to be with you — even if you couldn’t make it in person, you were all there.

love, Rachel

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] a Brazilian drug?
Date: February 27, 2006 at 8:06:08 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.calendarlive.com/books/bookreview/cl-bk-ulin5feb05,0,4331206.story?coll=cl-bookreview

snip-
I’m thinking now of Hunter S. Thompson, who in 1972 invented a story that Democratic presidential hopeful Edmund Muskie was experimenting with an exotic Brazilian drug named Ibogaine. “It is entirely conceivable – given the known effects of Ibogaine – that Muskie’s brain was almost paralyzed by hallucinations,” Thompson riffed in “Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail ’72,” “that he looked out at the crowd and saw Gila monsters instead of people, and that his mind snapped completely when he felt something large and apparently vicious clawing at his legs.” That may be gonzo excess, but it reveals, more viscerally than any piece of straight reporting, the extent of Muskie’s disconnection on the stump.
snip-

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] tune in, turn on…evolve?
Date: February 27, 2006 at 7:54:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Graham here is a contributor to my latest book Underground, and I am extremely facinated by his theories and his latest book (soon to be released in the US by the Disinformation Company). Here is a Canadian paper discussing that book, Supernatural. HT is supposed to be running a review I turned in, oh, at least a couple of months ago now, but I’m not entirely sure WHEN it is going to see the light of day. If not soon, I’m going to have to run it at DrugWar.com myself and get it out there.
Darn it.
;-))
Seriously, I HIGHLY recommend this book. It is fantastic and I imagine most everyone on both the DrugWar and Ibogaine lists will enjoy this book one hell of a lot.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060225.wxposner25/BNStory/Science/home
Tune in, turn on . . . evolve?
MICHAEL POSNER
From Saturday’s Globe and Mail
On the walls of dozens of caves in southern France and northern Spain lie some of the most majestic works of art ever painted. Drawn 25,000 to 40,000 years ago, the paintings have puzzled anthropologists since they were discovered more than four decades ago.
Where did this astonishing display of talent come from? Why did these prehistoric societies decide to paint these scenes in such remote locations? And what inspired them to paint the strange array of bisons, horses and therianthropes (part animal, part man)?
A scientific consensus of sorts has finally emerged on one of those questions: Although there are still dissenters, a majority of anthropologists now champion the theory that the paintings in Europe were the work of shamans, and in part the product of trance states, likely induced by psilocybin (the psychoactive ingredient in some species of mushrooms).
Similarly, South African anthropologist David Lewis-Williams maintains that the remarkable rock art of the San people of southern Africa, also painted at least 25,000 years ago, is the result of shamanic trances created by drumming and ritual ecstatic dancing.
In his new book, Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, published by Random House, British writer Graham Hancock has taken Prof. Lewis-Williams’s research as a point of departure to posit a theory as fascinating as it is provocative: If it’s true that cave art derives from altered states of consciousness, then it constitutes a watershed moment in human history, marking the first visible encounter with the supernatural, the first expression of spiritual myth.
Perhaps not coincidentally, the paintings were begun just when, according to anthropologists, human civilization made a great leap forward in terms of social organization, hunting-and-gathering skills and general creativity.
Mr. Hancock (previously author of Fingerprints of the Gods and The Sign and the Seal) notes striking similarities between cave paintings produced by shamanic artists 25,000 years ago and the abundant descriptions of fairies, elves, angels and other fantastic creatures commonly reported in Europe from the medieval ages to the 17th century.
snip-
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece
Date: February 27, 2006 at 7:36:39 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Dr. Sally Satel,
As someone who made repeated attempts through the years to get on top of opiate and cocaine addictions, I’d like to drop you a quick note to let you know that a “little pill” (re: Feb. 14 NYTimes article) that at least temporarily takes away many drug cravings and eases withdrawals drastically, does exist, allowing addicts like me to get a break from the cycle of using. It is not a cure, as I have used it more than once- hopefully I won’t NEED to use it again.
It’s called ibogaine OR iboga. Ibogaine HCL is hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, aned iboga is the whole plant extra. Having tried both, I am highly positive about the results. Drug addiction is a never ending story, one I have to be on top of at all times, but having discovered ibogaine- not a cure but a tool allowing me to take a break from the endless cycle of self-abuse and overtreating chronic pain- I emphatically suggest in the nicest possible terms that you research ibogaine. It is NOT legal inside the US, but it is legal, or at least not a controlled substance, in just about every other country on the planet (it’s been banned in something like five countries at this point).

I have cut and pasted in this note the first couple of short paragraphs from my latest essay online concerning iboga and my own personal experience with taking it. Please visit the following URL to read the entire essay about my latest experience with iboga if you are interested in learning more. I can also pass you more information at your convenience.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”

The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.

snip-
Thank you very much for your time, and I look forward to your reply.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece

From what I could tell, there were two letters-to-the-editor in response to this “opinion piece” from a researcher at the conservative think tank, American Enterprise Institute, who is also (the head of?) Oasis treatment center in D.C.  I’m curious what others think of this.  Regards, Rachel

By Sally Satel, M.D.
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006

ARTICLES
New York Times
Publication Date: February 14, 2006

As a psychiatrist at a methadone clinic, I rarely encounter patients waving advertisements for the newest antidepressant or sleeping pill. Consumer-consciousness is just not big among our clientele.
So I was surprised when a patient asked about ”that pill for gambling addiction–maybe it would work for cocaine addiction, too.”
Ted was a 36-year-old heroin addict who stopped using once he began methadone but whose continuing cocaine habit increased in turn. Earlier that morning he heard a story on National Public Radio about a pill that helped pathological gamblers.
”The gambler on the radio said the medication made him stop ‘climbing the walls’ and that he wasn’t craving anymore,” Ted told me. ”That’s what I need, something to make me not want.”
That, of course, is the timeless quest of addicts in recovery: not to want. More specifically, effortlessly not to want.
But the very idea of a drug to treat addiction rankles others.
Some experts are skeptical of substitution drugs, like methadone, because they produce dependence themselves. Others believe that treatment should break the addict’s Pavlovian link between quick-fix relief and pill-taking. And psychotherapists often want a patient to feel the pain of his psychic conflicts in order to resolve them and thus eradicate the root cause of his addiction.
Personally, I have few reservations about using medications.
The most effective pharmaceutical model so far is drug substitution (with methadone or buprenorphine) that prevents opiate withdrawal. Blocking opiate molecules from attaching to receptors is another model. If someone uses heroin while taking a blocker like naltrexone, there is no effect, but few people will take naltrexone because of side effects. For alcoholics, there is the aversion drug antabuse. Drinking alcohol while taking it produces nausea and vomiting.
Another approach is to blunt craving; this is what the gambling study sought to do. It used a drug called nalmefene to block an opiatelike chemical produced naturally within the brain’s reward circuitry.
But medications are not going to displace therapists anytime soon. They simply don’t work that well. Even methadone, considered effective for opiate abuse, does not always snuff the desire to get high. Up to half of the patients in some methadone clinics also use some heroin or cocaine or Valium-like tranquilizers sold on the street.
Even nalmefene was far from overwhelming. As reported in this month’s American Journal of Psychiatry, gambling behavior declined more with the drug than with a placebo over the 16 weeks of the study, though the biggest drop occurred in the first few days of the study for the placebo and the drug, suggesting that mere participation in the study had a significant effect on gambling behavior. (Two-thirds of the patients dropped out of the study.)
Finally, it remains unclear whether prescribing drugs is superior to behavioral methods.
”The study is part of emerging evidence that gambling, once thought to be a problem in moral integrity, is instead a problem in brain biology and can be successfully treated,” Dr. Robert Freedman, editor of The American Journal of Psychiatry , told The Los Angeles Times.
This strikes me as overly optimistic. Moreover, though urges may be biological, trying to modulate those urges and, failing that, getting help and sticking with it, is surely a matter of moral integrity. Still, I would offer nalmefene to anyone struggling with gambling. Combined with behavioral treatment–a practice that improves outcomes with all pharmaceutical approaches to substance abuse–it might work well.
Which brings us to Ted. More than 20 drugs have been tested for cocaine addiction, and the search has come up empty. ”We have yet to find the kinds of truly effective medication for addiction to cocaine and alcohol that we now have for depression and psychosis,” says Dr. Eric Nestler, chairman of psychiatry at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and co-author of the editorial with the gambling article.
Personally, I wonder if we ever will. It is hard to imagine a medication that could alter the human longing for deep pleasure or oblivion. It may be possible to dull an intense, isolated urge that an addict experiences as alien; perhaps this is partly why we have been able to develop moderately effective medications for obsessive-compulsive disorder. But wanting a drug with your whole being involves a staggeringly complex interplay of motivation, emotions, memories and cognitions; resistance requires the user’s conscious cooperation.
The search for better anti-addiction medications is worthy, but we have to be realistic. The passive model of drug treatment for addiction is a pipe dream.
Dr. Sally Satel is a resident scholar at AEI.

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sally Satel NYT opinion piece
Date: February 27, 2006 at 6:41:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From what I could tell, there were two letters-to-the-editor in response to this “opinion piece” from a researcher at the conservative think tank, American Enterprise Institute, who is also (the head of?) Oasis treatment center in D.C.  I’m curious what others think of this.  Regards, Rachel

By Sally Satel, M.D.
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006

ARTICLES
New York Times
Publication Date: February 14, 2006

As a psychiatrist at a methadone clinic, I rarely encounter patients waving advertisements for the newest antidepressant or sleeping pill. Consumer-consciousness is just not big among our clientele.
So I was surprised when a patient asked about ”that pill for gambling addiction–maybe it would work for cocaine addiction, too.”
Ted was a 36-year-old heroin addict who stopped using once he began methadone but whose continuing cocaine habit increased in turn. Earlier that morning he heard a story on National Public Radio about a pill that helped pathological gamblers.
”The gambler on the radio said the medication made him stop ‘climbing the walls’ and that he wasn’t craving anymore,” Ted told me. ”That’s what I need, something to make me not want.”
That, of course, is the timeless quest of addicts in recovery: not to want. More specifically, effortlessly not to want.
But the very idea of a drug to treat addiction rankles others.
Some experts are skeptical of substitution drugs, like methadone, because they produce dependence themselves. Others believe that treatment should break the addict’s Pavlovian link between quick-fix relief and pill-taking. And psychotherapists often want a patient to feel the pain of his psychic conflicts in order to resolve them and thus eradicate the root cause of his addiction.
Personally, I have few reservations about using medications.
The most effective pharmaceutical model so far is drug substitution (with methadone or buprenorphine) that prevents opiate withdrawal. Blocking opiate molecules from attaching to receptors is another model. If someone uses heroin while taking a blocker like naltrexone, there is no effect, but few people will take naltrexone because of side effects. For alcoholics, there is the aversion drug antabuse. Drinking alcohol while taking it produces nausea and vomiting.
Another approach is to blunt craving; this is what the gambling study sought to do. It used a drug called nalmefene to block an opiatelike chemical produced naturally within the brain’s reward circuitry.
But medications are not going to displace therapists anytime soon. They simply don’t work that well. Even methadone, considered effective for opiate abuse, does not always snuff the desire to get high. Up to half of the patients in some methadone clinics also use some heroin or cocaine or Valium-like tranquilizers sold on the street.
Even nalmefene was far from overwhelming. As reported in this month’s American Journal of Psychiatry, gambling behavior declined more with the drug than with a placebo over the 16 weeks of the study, though the biggest drop occurred in the first few days of the study for the placebo and the drug, suggesting that mere participation in the study had a significant effect on gambling behavior. (Two-thirds of the patients dropped out of the study.)
Finally, it remains unclear whether prescribing drugs is superior to behavioral methods.
”The study is part of emerging evidence that gambling, once thought to be a problem in moral integrity, is instead a problem in brain biology and can be successfully treated,” Dr. Robert Freedman, editor of The American Journal of Psychiatry , told The Los Angeles Times.
This strikes me as overly optimistic. Moreover, though urges may be biological, trying to modulate those urges and, failing that, getting help and sticking with it, is surely a matter of moral integrity. Still, I would offer nalmefene to anyone struggling with gambling. Combined with behavioral treatment–a practice that improves outcomes with all pharmaceutical approaches to substance abuse–it might work well.
Which brings us to Ted. More than 20 drugs have been tested for cocaine addiction, and the search has come up empty. ”We have yet to find the kinds of truly effective medication for addiction to cocaine and alcohol that we now have for depression and psychosis,” says Dr. Eric Nestler, chairman of psychiatry at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and co-author of the editorial with the gambling article.
Personally, I wonder if we ever will. It is hard to imagine a medication that could alter the human longing for deep pleasure or oblivion. It may be possible to dull an intense, isolated urge that an addict experiences as alien; perhaps this is partly why we have been able to develop moderately effective medications for obsessive-compulsive disorder. But wanting a drug with your whole being involves a staggeringly complex interplay of motivation, emotions, memories and cognitions; resistance requires the user’s conscious cooperation.
The search for better anti-addiction medications is worthy, but we have to be realistic. The passive model of drug treatment for addiction is a pipe dream.
Dr. Sally Satel is a resident scholar at AEI.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirsty is flooding
Date: February 26, 2006 at 11:24:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanx Jasen, I’ve been thinkin’ of her this morning. Keep us up on things and I’ll say a little prayer for her. You are the man for helping her through this.     Love and bright light      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 26, 2006 at 11:29:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can’t believe I had to miss this. Let the good times roll. Let the good times roll.    Randy

From: “ARON KAY” <pieman@pieman.org>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 26, 2006 at 10:48:08 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey i wish i could be there with the gang but my physical problems are keeping me homebound…meanwhile dana is one who is underestimated!!! i have known him since 1972 and worked and lived w/him on and off over the years!!!
in fact he dubbed himself as “my manager” when i was pieing politicians
aron pieman kay
http://www.pieman.org

meanwhile check out http://www.pieman.org/eminem.wmv
an antiwar video by eminem

also check out http://www.pieman.org/hanktheskank
to read about what happens to jerks who diss ibogaine, especially a nazi named hank

—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down

A few impressions from Day one…

Nice to be at Columbia University.  Good spread, nice room, great vibe, beautiful views of the campus.  Way to go Students for a Sensible Drug Policy!

Walked in a bit late, so missed Rommell’s opening comments, and just a bit into Patrick and Kamlet’s presentations.  St. Kitt’s is closed down and the doctors from Advanced Health Transitions (Cancun) and something else opening up in [Cabo san Lucas? on the pacific side??] were in attendance.  Reportedly Dr. Mash suggests she will be releasing her data “any month now,” although of course there are many who are anxious to have more hard data to “crunch” for presentation to various political, public health, medical, and legal interests.

It’s good to hear from addictionologists who have been there done that, and know what it’s like to be “out there.”  Amazing to be reminded that some of the policy-makers and treatment protocol structures that inflict painful withdrawal symptoms upon drug-users come from people who’ve never even smoked a joint.  [sociological note – what does the “suck it up” attitude of punishing sick people index about how not very far “civilization” has come?]  Medical texts may suggest that opiod withdrawal is a three day affair of acute symptoms, and by the 4th day its over.  But the whole-body/mind process of detoxification stretches far beyond that window to the Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome that can last 3-6 months.

As Dr. Kamlet kept saying, in a small field of treatments (5000-6000?) “every death is important,” and since the latest patient death in Rosarita was attributed to pulmonary embolism, his implication was that in a high-risk population of patients, medically supervised treatments are particularly important.

However, as the Freedom Root self-help speaker later that afternoon put it, people are going to die from what they are doing.  Anyway.  It’s just as dangerous to be playing the roulette.  Addicts need treatment now – NOW! – the vast majority don’t have $6000 and the resources to travel “offshore” for detox.  Nor do they have time to wait for the FDA, NIDA, and the DEA to get off their butts are realize that the Schedule One status is completely illogical because 1) ibogaine has medicinal value, and 2) ibogaine does NOT have a high potential for abuse.

Howard’s wonderfully illustrative talk boiling down the various challenges facing civically sanctioned (in the U.S.) adoption of ibogaine treatment was cut short by technical difficulties and the preceding lengthy psychopharmocology and “Ibogaine Scene” discussion from Dr. Ken Alper.  I suspect we will see the Powerpoint (Howard’s) on Ibogaine Dossier several weeks down the line!  And Alper’s in publication, with H.S. Lotsof as one of the co-authors!!

The political panel which concluded the day was among the most intriguing.  Let’s just say Dana kept his cool!  And Doug from cnw has a new angle on finding legal ways to permit this unique, miraculous treatment to go forward on U.S. soil.   But if I don’t get going I’m going to be late to the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors for today’s events!  So more soon!!

Tink, by the way, busted her stiches shaking every one’s hand!

Preston had a real sweet mellow vibe going yesterday and last night, but given his 6 a.m. report, well, who knows how the daylight willl feel!!

And I can’t wait to hear what Lee and Geerte have to say today!!

More later,

Rachel

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 26, 2006 at 10:02:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A few impressions from Day one…

Nice to be at Columbia University.  Good spread, nice room, great vibe, beautiful views of the campus.  Way to go Students for a Sensible Drug Policy!

Walked in a bit late, so missed Rommell’s opening comments, and just a bit into Patrick and Kamlet’s presentations.  St. Kitt’s is closed down and the doctors from Advanced Health Transitions (Cancun) and something else opening up in [Cabo san Lucas? on the pacific side??] were in attendance.  Reportedly Dr. Mash suggests she will be releasing her data “any month now,” although of course there are many who are anxious to have more hard data to “crunch” for presentation to various political, public health, medical, and legal interests.

It’s good to hear from addictionologists who have been there done that, and know what it’s like to be “out there.”  Amazing to be reminded that some of the policy-makers and treatment protocol structures that inflict painful withdrawal symptoms upon drug-users come from people who’ve never even smoked a joint.  [sociological note – what does the “suck it up” attitude of punishing sick people index about how not very far “civilization” has come?]  Medical texts may suggest that opiod withdrawal is a three day affair of acute symptoms, and by the 4th day its over.  But the whole-body/mind process of detoxification stretches far beyond that window to the Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome that can last 3-6 months.

As Dr. Kamlet kept saying, in a small field of treatments (5000-6000?) “every death is important,” and since the latest patient death in Rosarita was attributed to pulmonary embolism, his implication was that in a high-risk population of patients, medically supervised treatments are particularly important.

However, as the Freedom Root self-help speaker later that afternoon put it, people are going to die from what they are doing.  Anyway.  It’s just as dangerous to be playing the roulette.  Addicts need treatment now – NOW! – the vast majority don’t have $6000 and the resources to travel “offshore” for detox.  Nor do they have time to wait for the FDA, NIDA, and the DEA to get off their butts are realize that the Schedule One status is completely illogical because 1) ibogaine has medicinal value, and 2) ibogaine does NOT have a high potential for abuse.

Howard’s wonderfully illustrative talk boiling down the various challenges facing civically sanctioned (in the U.S.) adoption of ibogaine treatment was cut short by technical difficulties and the preceding lengthy psychopharmocology and “Ibogaine Scene” discussion from Dr. Ken Alper.  I suspect we will see the Powerpoint (Howard’s) on Ibogaine Dossier several weeks down the line!  And Alper’s in publication, with H.S. Lotsof as one of the co-authors!!

The political panel which concluded the day was among the most intriguing.  Let’s just say Dana kept his cool!  And Doug from cnw has a new angle on finding legal ways to permit this unique, miraculous treatment to go forward on U.S. soil.   But if I don’t get going I’m going to be late to the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors for today’s events!  So more soon!!

Tink, by the way, busted her stiches shaking every one’s hand!

Preston had a real sweet mellow vibe going yesterday and last night, but given his 6 a.m. report, well, who knows how the daylight willl feel!!

And I can’t wait to hear what Lee and Geerte have to say today!!

More later,

Rachel

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kirsty is flooding
Date: February 26, 2006 at 6:10:41 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

considering that I ran into blotter tonight, she’s in good company.
;-))
seriously, after spending a day at the conference, listening to all the science and political stuff, it just seems so…I don’t know.
I’m a bit too far out of it to even say to be honest.
But I wish her the very best and you too.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirsty is flooding

Hey Guys,

Just a quick note to let you know that Kirsty is about to have her flood
dose of Ibogaine. I will keep you posted on the outcome.

Kirsty is relaxed and feeling fine at this moment. We have been step dosing
for two days and in 10 mins it will be time for her flood dose. The mother
Ship is coming to beam our captain aboard.

Love, Jasen

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Kirsty is flooding
Date: February 26, 2006 at 1:51:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Guys,

Just a quick note to let you know that Kirsty is about to have her flood
dose of Ibogaine. I will keep you posted on the outcome.

Kirsty is relaxed and feeling fine at this moment. We have been step dosing
for two days and in 10 mins it will be time for her flood dose. The mother
Ship is coming to beam our captain aboard.

Love, Jasen

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 25, 2006 at 9:08:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thankyou thankyou!!
tink

On 2/24/06, ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com <ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com> wrote:
Hey everyone.  My name is Eric and I’m new to the list, but Tink, i can get
you some info on that, my grandfater uses roprinole HCL for his RLS.
Sometime later on today or tomorrow ill post it on here for you.

Peace, Love, Unity, Respect

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS
PLEASE!!!!!!!
From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, February 22, 2006 11:31 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome?  The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance
tink

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: Fw: thought of the day…
Date: February 25, 2006 at 9:08:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Vicki Adams <ickipick@yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 25, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: thought of the day…
To: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>, Natalie Mooers <natalie_mooers@hotmail.com >, John Dwyer <jdwyer1@maine.rr.com>, Karen Jack <kabljack@metrocast.net>

Note: forwarded message attached.

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———- Forwarded message ———-
From: “Tim Adams” <twadams@adelphia.net>
To: “Vicki Adams” < ickipick@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:22:30 -0500
Subject: Fw: thought of the day…

—– Original Message —–
From: Cheryl Elliott
To: ‘Dale and Sharon Peabody’ ; ‘B&JPeabody’ ; ‘Randy/Carol’ ; ‘George Buzzell’ ; ‘Tim Adams’ ; ‘Hewes, Susan G SSG’
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: FW: thought of the day…

 

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 25, 2006 at 9:06:34 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

love ay tons and oodles-
more after this meeting of the iboga world
love tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Yep had a step dose about 8 pm last night, took about 3 hours to properly
kick in and took all withdrawals away, and now it is 11:30 am Saturday and I
am STILL feeling totally normal. WTF>??? Hahaha
All I can think of now, is Patrick on the Rite of Passage DVD saying “does
Ibogaine work?  FUK YEHHHHHH!!”  with a big smile,
Well I can say FUKK YEHHHH so far so fekking good!!!!!
Going for a walk soon.
Tis all gewd
Love heaps to all
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:30 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hahahahah good one tink,
Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave,
he’s
the best slave ever!!!  I feel like royalty!!
Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
next step dose….
This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
Ok more later
Love heaps to alla ya
Kirky xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone!  If she wants to lure
Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
;]
tink

On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!

And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol

It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd

Koiky xx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical

even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
there

tsk tsk

:]

________________________________

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,

Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel
FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to
feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be
starting
til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am
being
looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
other detoxes lol.

Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you
can
hit reply, see wot ‘appens.

Alright.

Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe

(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)

Love to all.

Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your
energies!!!!!
Woooooooooooo!!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here
and
go
back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine
back
a
year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a
hell
of
a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are
you
doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded
her
yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m
so
glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
I’d
send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New
Zealand
they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
Free
Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and cures not wars web pages down
Date: February 25, 2006 at 8:50:21 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ibogaine dossier and cures not wars web pages down.

You can get the ibogaine conference agenda at

http://ibogaine.desk.nl/nyc2006.html

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game and our lives!!!
Date: February 25, 2006 at 7:17:18 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Great to read some truth from across the water.
I took it upon myself, 7 months ago to sort myself out. Still not there
yet^_^, but I can say the same is true here.
The Drug Council Agencies, just want to shut you down, with Methadone, as
if
we where just cattle. I only get FEAR as a feed back now, as I get told
that, what I am and have done is not medically recommended.
What really crazes me, is that. Taking Heroin or other such substances, in
the first place, is not medically recommended, so what is the norm for a
detox?

to have you take other drugs, you detox. one but you end up taking another
two or three drugs instead.

We are all individuals, and react differently to many things. Just because
it is not medically recommended, does that mean that it is not available
legally. This is a crock of Pony, cos all that we are to the Agencies, are
numbers. Despised by the general public, because we are “Junkies”.
The general consensus about our plite, is, stay away, don’t get involved,
otherwise you may become contaminated yourself. Like people do not want to
get there hands dirty.

That’s right because those who do help get fucked.

This is very sad:- A friend of mine who sees the same Agency as me, said
to
me. And this really shocked me.  B—– says that “You should really take
your time in reducing, so that you do not suffer too much, or die.” I
grant
you, yes, if you are using crazy amounts, then logic would tell you to
take
it easy as you came off, but not as they want, “Keep you a slave to
Methadone for 5-6 years, or until your will has been broken enough to
believe them when they say, “It doesnt matter that you are on Methadone,
because you have got a better quality of life now, than when you were
using
out of control.” I have friends of mine who have been on the damn stuff
all
there lives, and now, being of the age and mind, not to attempt to get off
any more, accept their plight, and believe that all is lost, because the
doctors tell them it is.
And that is my point, control. The only thing that the government seems to
want to do with us is Control us. This I am sure is out of there own FEAR.
This is all about money. The drug companies will not get involved in a
substance they can make, relatively cheaply, that would be used maybe only
twice in a persons life time. There is more of a monopoly in slavery.
We go to the doctor with pain, and he prescribes Opiate based compounds,
to
help alleviate the pain. This works in the short term, but only causes the
added problem of, “How do you get off them, once you are on them.” This
seems to be just another way of controlling people.
Back to the FEAR I get from the Agency, when they see what I am doing.
Taking back control of my own life. They all would be unemployed, if we
did
not have a propensity to self medicate. That is the root of the FEAR I
see.
They have mortgages to pay, insurance, cars, Tax, wow what a trap.

That’s right , just another addiction, Addiction to “Security”, the more
$000 the more secure you may feel, or the more you want and become a
workoholic, slave to the money GOD.

I have even been threatened, that, if I did not take what they told me to,
then they would drop me.
Stop the prescription and let me rip.
Ah Hell!!! After I get this sorted, cos I am too old for this crap. I’ve a
good mind to disappear into the outback of nowhere and live my life in
peace.
After reading what I just wrote though, I know that, that is something I
cannot do. I have got to fight in the only way I know, and that is try and
educate the few. Hopefully the few that are there to listen and try and
learn, may one day, start there own organizations that are there to help,
not money monger and enslave.
Talking of Money mongering and the chemical/drug companies.
I came across an so called anti-depressant, used to help people stop
smoking. I believe it to be called Zyban, or Bupropion.
Have the drug companies done a sneaky, and used such molecules as Ibogaine
or Noribogaine and such the likes of 18-Methoxycoronaridine in their
studies. This will have to be looked into.
I wish you all the best Warren in your quest, and pray that you find what
you are looking for.

Amen!
Strength Power and Honour!!!

Amen!
Paul.

From: “Warren Theriot” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:23 -0800

Hi,
I’m new to the message board. I was wondering and hoping that there
is
a Los Angeles group such as in New York. If Dan Beal could be cloned. I
read his book! I  have been interested in Ibogaine for about 3 or 4 years
now from research on the internet. I have had 2 of my very best friends
from hight school die from Heroin related self-inflicted abuse. I found
my
closest friend dead in his house from a Heroin overdose in 1994. In 1999,
another close friend shot himself after several years of heroin and
methadone abuse. I have had a chronic pain syndrome accompanied by RLS
for
20 or so years, the last 15 having used codiene and vicodin to alleviate
the discomfort in my legs and feet. The last 3 years have been hell
because
of stress from lack of sleep, not being able to work because of the
stress
and chronic pain, barking dogs from incorrigably inconsiderate neighbors.
The dopamine spikes have make me so angry that I feel like I’m dying
inside. The stress I’m afraid, had rubbed off on my poor dear father who
just passed away from a stroke. Rather than making things worse, I have
sought a peaceful solution, but until I heard of Ibogaine, I felt totally
helpless. Now there is some hope. I am really appaplled by the anti-drug
forces at work in this nation and around the world who show such
diabolical
ignorance bout how the human brain works.
I have studied how drugs work on the body,  brain and mind for
years,
after I inheriited an old neighbor’s medical texts in the ’80s. I was
originally interested in pshychelics, but after 1987, I felt that bad LSD
actually precipitated the RLS and other miserable chronic pain in my
legs;
I stopped ever trying acid again. I have only taken shrooms a few times
as
an alternative since then, and I can’t for the life of me see how they
could possibly be bad to take out in the desert while having fun. My legs
were never affected by shrooms. Now I need to get off the codiene once
and
for all for the overall health of my body and mind. I feel that the
dopamine spikes caused by the codiene are making my hatred for having my
peace disturbed at all hours of the day or night intolerable. I can’t
take
benzodiazapines for stress relief because I have worn out my brain
circuits. I am off those and good riddance. A year ago I spent an
agonizing
two months in withdrawl trying to get off codiene. I was able to cut back
from 240+ mg per day to about 60 to 160 mg for the last year. Now I need
to
stop completely, but every time I go with out for several days or a week,
I
get really depressed besides having RLS. I have been taking amino acid
suppliments since last may, but they don’t make it so I can completely
stop
taking codiene. I know that excercise will help, but how do you get out
of
the house to walk and excersise when you are too depressed to get ot of
bed
or go outside for much of the time?
I read a news story about how Ibogaine is available underground for
some lucky people in New York without having to go overseas or to Mexico
or
Cancun. The problem with this US government system is that it has given
in
to “privatization” of much of the infrastructure that was once the
responsibility of the government. The result has been corporate control
over issues that are contolled by the corporate need to “keep the bottom
line low”. That translates to neglect, abuse and outright disdane for the
needy and poor. As I watched my father dying in the hospital, I was
deeply
distressed by Kaiser’s giving up on his rehab after he reached a plateau.
Within a week of their stopping intensive therapy he died. It wouldn’t
have
hurt them to continue, but no, they were worried about saving money, not
saving my father’s life. They did not tell us he was going to die right
away. They didn’t pay that much attention to his obstructive sleep apnea.
Not enought to keep him from getting worse, too late to keep him from
having more strokes and dying.
Faith-based organizations are controlled by the bottom line as FEAR
of
illegal and addicting drugs. Some drugs that are NOT addicting are
considered illegal due to CRIMINAL IGNORANCE!  There is no science
applied
by that standard. So don’t expect me to trust in a church or other
Judeao-Christian organization to help me solve my problems. Or those of
this country or the world. The light that is shown by knowledge and
science
seems to blind the “blindly”-faithful.  The so-called Love is occluded by
the Fear. That is my opinion on this day. I wish that more [Enough to
make
the difference] people would wake up to the facts of all the research on
Ibogaine. I find it disturbing and terribly sad [because of the deaths of
my friends] that Ibogaine is not now a US, AMA medically accepted
treatment
for the addictions caused by opiate use. I have faith that Ibogaine will
someday help me to abstain from using addicting pain killers. How much
does
it cost money-wise?
Sincerely,
Warren Theriot
warrentheriot@comcast.net

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game and our lives!!!
Date: February 25, 2006 at 6:27:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Great to read some truth from across the water.
I took it upon myself, 7 months ago to sort myself out. Still not there yet^_^, but I can say the same is true here.
The Drug Council Agencies, just want to shut you down, with Methadone, as if we where just cattle. I only get FEAR as a feed back now, as I get told that, what I am and have done is not medically recommended.
What really crazes me, is that. Taking Heroin or other such substances, in the first place, is not medically recommended, so what is the norm for a detox?
We are all individuals, and react differently to many things. Just because it is not medically recommended, does that mean that it is not available legally. This is a crock of Pony, cos all that we are to the Agencies, are numbers. Despised by the general public, because we are “Junkies”.
The general consensus about our plite, is, stay away, don’t get involved, otherwise you may become contaminated yourself. Like people do not want to get there hands dirty.
This is very sad:- A friend of mine who sees the same Agency as me, said to me. And this really shocked me.  B—– says that “You should really take your time in reducing, so that you do not suffer too much, or die.” I grant you, yes, if you are using crazy amounts, then logic would tell you to take it easy as you came off, but not as they want, “Keep you a slave to Methadone for 5-6 years, or until your will has been broken enough to believe them when they say, “It doesnt matter that you are on Methadone, because you have got a better quality of life now, than when you were using out of control.” I have friends of mine who have been on the damn stuff all there lives, and now, being of the age and mind, not to attempt to get off any more, accept their plight, and believe that all is lost, because the doctors tell them it is.
And that is my point, control. The only thing that the government seems to want to do with us is Control us. This I am sure is out of there own FEAR. This is all about money. The drug companies will not get involved in a substance they can make, relatively cheaply, that would be used maybe only twice in a persons life time. There is more of a monopoly in slavery.
We go to the doctor with pain, and he prescribes Opiate based compounds, to help alleviate the pain. This works in the short term, but only causes the added problem of, “How do you get off them, once you are on them.” This seems to be just another way of controlling people.
Back to the FEAR I get from the Agency, when they see what I am doing. Taking back control of my own life. They all would be unemployed, if we did not have a propensity to self medicate. That is the root of the FEAR I see.
They have mortgages to pay, insurance, cars, Tax, wow what a trap.
I have even been threatened, that, if I did not take what they told me to, then they would drop me.
Stop the prescription and let me rip.
Ah Hell!!! After I get this sorted, cos I am too old for this crap. I’ve a good mind to disappear into the outback of nowhere and live my life in peace.
After reading what I just wrote though, I know that, that is something I cannot do. I have got to fight in the only way I know, and that is try and educate the few. Hopefully the few that are there to listen and try and learn, may one day, start there own organizations that are there to help, not money monger and enslave.
Talking of Money mongering and the chemical/drug companies.
I came across an so called anti-depressant, used to help people stop smoking. I believe it to be called Zyban, or Bupropion.
Have the drug companies done a sneaky, and used such molecules as Ibogaine or Noribogaine and such the likes of 18-Methoxycoronaridine in their studies. This will have to be looked into.
I wish you all the best Warren in your quest, and pray that you find what you are looking for.
Strength Power and Honour!!!
Paul.

From: “Warren Theriot” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:23 -0800

Hi,
I’m new to the message board. I was wondering and hoping that there is a Los Angeles group such as in New York. If Dan Beal could be cloned. I read his book! I  have been interested in Ibogaine for about 3 or 4 years now from research on the internet. I have had 2 of my very best friends from hight school die from Heroin related self-inflicted abuse. I found my closest friend dead in his house from a Heroin overdose in 1994. In 1999, another close friend shot himself after several years of heroin and methadone abuse. I have had a chronic pain syndrome accompanied by RLS for 20 or so years, the last 15 having used codiene and vicodin to alleviate the discomfort in my legs and feet. The last 3 years have been hell because of stress from lack of sleep, not being able to work because of the stress and chronic pain, barking dogs from incorrigably inconsiderate neighbors. The dopamine spikes have make me so angry that I feel like I’m dying inside. The stress I’m afraid, had rubbed off on my poor dear father who just passed away from a stroke. Rather than making things worse, I have sought a peaceful solution, but until I heard of Ibogaine, I felt totally helpless. Now there is some hope. I am really appaplled by the anti-drug forces at work in this nation and around the world who show such diabolical ignorance bout how the human brain works.
I have studied how drugs work on the body,  brain and mind for years, after I inheriited an old neighbor’s medical texts in the ’80s. I was originally interested in pshychelics, but after 1987, I felt that bad LSD actually precipitated the RLS and other miserable chronic pain in my legs; I stopped ever trying acid again. I have only taken shrooms a few times as an alternative since then, and I can’t for the life of me see how they could possibly be bad to take out in the desert while having fun. My legs were never affected by shrooms. Now I need to get off the codiene once and for all for the overall health of my body and mind. I feel that the dopamine spikes caused by the codiene are making my hatred for having my peace disturbed at all hours of the day or night intolerable. I can’t take benzodiazapines for stress relief because I have worn out my brain circuits. I am off those and good riddance. A year ago I spent an agonizing two months in withdrawl trying to get off codiene. I was able to cut back from 240+ mg per day to about 60 to 160 mg for the last year. Now I need to stop completely, but every time I go with out for several days or a week, I get really depressed besides having RLS. I have been taking amino acid suppliments since last may, but they don’t make it so I can completely stop taking codiene. I know that excercise will help, but how do you get out of the house to walk and excersise when you are too depressed to get ot of bed or go outside for much of the time?
I read a news story about how Ibogaine is available underground for some lucky people in New York without having to go overseas or to Mexico or Cancun. The problem with this US government system is that it has given in to “privatization” of much of the infrastructure that was once the responsibility of the government. The result has been corporate control over issues that are contolled by the corporate need to “keep the bottom line low”. That translates to neglect, abuse and outright disdane for the needy and poor. As I watched my father dying in the hospital, I was deeply distressed by Kaiser’s giving up on his rehab after he reached a plateau. Within a week of their stopping intensive therapy he died. It wouldn’t have hurt them to continue, but no, they were worried about saving money, not saving my father’s life. They did not tell us he was going to die right away. They didn’t pay that much attention to his obstructive sleep apnea. Not enought to keep him from getting worse, too late to keep him from having more strokes and dying.
Faith-based organizations are controlled by the bottom line as FEAR of illegal and addicting drugs. Some drugs that are NOT addicting are considered illegal due to CRIMINAL IGNORANCE!  There is no science applied by that standard. So don’t expect me to trust in a church or other Judeao-Christian organization to help me solve my problems. Or those of this country or the world. The light that is shown by knowledge and science seems to blind the “blindly”-faithful.  The so-called Love is occluded by the Fear. That is my opinion on this day. I wish that more [Enough to make the difference] people would wake up to the facts of all the research on Ibogaine. I find it disturbing and terribly sad [because of the deaths of my friends] that Ibogaine is not now a US, AMA medically accepted treatment for the addictions caused by opiate use. I have faith that Ibogaine will someday help me to abstain from using addicting pain killers. How much does it cost money-wise?
Sincerely,
Warren Theriot
warrentheriot@comcast.net

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]the grow,
Date: February 25, 2006 at 5:38:35 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

anyways, because the info. about me is on the net, I can’t grow anything
in that grow room anymore, it’s like inviting the wrong people to my home,
asking for troubles I wouldn’t wish.

I hope you understand.
Sara

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From: “pascall roland” <pascal-roland@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] I need 2 medical advises following opium quitting
Date: February 25, 2006 at 5:14:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Howard, Dr.  Ed. or anyone else,

understand that there is a conference on the way, so quite busy.

if you have once time, would like to get yr advise, or anyone’s on the list:

having quitted since 3 weeks a long heavy opium addiction, through ibogaine, I face now heavy appetite and consequently my weight is increasing.

second symptom: high drastic nervosity, but periodically.

both symptoms are not new to me, as i experienced them after previous methadone treatments, but never treated them, except by taking opium again!

any idea welcome… except doing sport and eating carrots which i know also.

( by the way, Howard, i owe you an answer on available sedatives in Iran. will take care of it )

b.rgds.

Pascal

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] introductions
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:51:01 EST

If any of you are coming to the conference please don’t hesitate to introduce
yourself.   Looking forward to meeting you.

Howard

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction
Date: February 25, 2006 at 12:16:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was on long-term release MS-Contins, four a day at the time I went to Sara’s, but had cut out everything else three weeks before leaving, other than for one week of that time taking two dilaudid a day as well, but they were gone a good two weeks before leaving for Sara’s. So like the previous time I was taking long-release pills but this time had a much different experience with the detoxing.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction

In a message dated 2/24/06 7:07:27 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

LOL, thanks for this imagery Matthew.
I felt like piping up and saying this last experience of mine was remarkably like what Kirk seems to be experiencing, even though she’s doing the hydrochloride. It was such an easy going experience this time compared to all the other times.

Hi Preston,

Where you on short acting forms of narcotics or continuous release as the other times with ibogaine?

Thanks

Howard

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction
Date: February 24, 2006 at 8:02:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/24/06 7:07:27 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

LOL, thanks for this imagery Matthew.
I felt like piping up and saying this last experience of mine was remarkably like what Kirk seems to be experiencing, even though she’s doing the hydrochloride. It was such an easy going experience this time compared to all the other times.

Hi Preston,

Where you on short acting forms of narcotics or continuous release as the other times with ibogaine?

Thanks

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction
Date: February 24, 2006 at 7:06:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>i was actually a  squarel protecting my nut from the rain(no not my testicles a real nut from the tree)<

LOL, thanks for this imagery Matthew.
I felt like piping up and saying this last experience of mine was remarkably like what Kirk seems to be experiencing, even though she’s doing the hydrochloride. It was such an easy going experience this time compared to all the other times.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction

u fuken weirdo!!!!!
wtf???…..was that methadone u were drinking or pure orange juice?
this all seems like a big pile of bullshit! :]
but no in all honesty thats fuken great!
visions?……the elusive land of the dead?……the infinite loving universe?….the vast landscapes of god knows what?……what what tell tell
but im soooo happy u dont have to suffer!!!!!!! (like some of us who never learn) *cough ..*cough—-
love
magumba and gamumba
(got another name in my dreams again…..hurayy!!!!….after the last crazy session my dreams have been out of control…..two really intriging ones—- i was actually a  squarel protecting my nut from the rain(no not my testicles a real nut from the tree) the other —a cool continuation from my iboga vision—i found my self in the same place as in the vision but this time in the dream i knew exactly where i was ….so i decided to make a big leap from the rock and up i went flying through the mysteriious land………crazy iboga
btw tinkerchubster u are a fuken loon as well :}

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:54 +1300
Yep had a step dose about 8 pm last night, took about 3 hours to properly
kick in and took all withdrawals away, and now it is 11:30 am Saturday and I
am STILL feeling totally normal. WTF>??? Hahaha
All I can think of now, is Patrick on the Rite of Passage DVD saying “does
Ibogaine work? FUK YEHHHHHH!!” with a big smile,
Well I can say FUKK YEHHHH so far so fekking good!!!!!
Going for a walk soon.
Tis all gewd
Love heaps to all
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:30 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Hahahahah good one tink,
> Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave,
he’s
> the best slave ever!!! I feel like royalty!!
> Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
> next step dose….
> This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
> Ok more later
> Love heaps to alla ya
> Kirky xxxx
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
>
> Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone! If she wants to lure
> Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
> ;]
> tink
>
> On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
> >
> > And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
> >
> > It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
> >
> > Koiky xx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ahhhhh so typical
> >
> > even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
> there
> >
> > tsk tsk
> >
> > :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
> >
> > Hello Randyyy Et All,
> >
> > Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
> > morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal. Ho hum. I feel
> > FINE!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!! Never EVER thought I would look forward to
> > feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!! So looking like won’t be
starting
> > til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am
being
> > looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
> > other detoxes lol.
> >
> > Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you
can
> > hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
> >
> > Alright.
> >
> > Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
> >
> > (the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
> >
> > Love to all.
> >
> > Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your
energies!!!!!
> > Woooooooooooo!!!
> >
> > Kirk xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
> > fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
> > actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here
and
> go
> > back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine
back
> a
> > year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
> > treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a
hell
> of
> > a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are
you
> > doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded
her
> > yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m
so
> > glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
> > intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
> I’d
> > send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New
Zealand
> > they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
> Free
> > Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow (George Clinton) Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] introductions
Date: February 24, 2006 at 6:51:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If any of you are coming to the conference please don’t hesitate to introduce yourself.  Looking forward to meeting you.

Howard

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction
Date: February 24, 2006 at 5:57:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Haven’t had flood dose yet…………………………still feeling “normal” whatever that is at 12 pm Saturday.
It’s got me stumped too, but hey, not complaining…. Not at all.
I think Jasen is sicker than I am with a cold LOL I should be looking after him!!
More later
Kirk xx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 11:50 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction

u fuken weirdo!!!!!
wtf???…..was that methadone u were drinking or pure orange juice?
this all seems like a big pile of bullshit! :]
but no in all honesty thats fuken great!
visions?……the elusive land of the dead?……the infinite loving universe?….the vast landscapes of god knows what?……what what tell tell
but im soooo happy u dont have to suffer!!!!!!! (like some of us who never learn) *cough ..*cough—-
love
magumba and gamumba
(got another name in my dreams again…..hurayy!!!!….after the last crazy session my dreams have been out of control…..two really intriging ones—- i was actually a  squarel protecting my nut from the rain(no not my testicles a real nut from the tree) the other —a cool continuation from my iboga vision—i found my self in the same place as in the vision but this time in the dream i knew exactly where i was ….so i decided to make a big leap from the rock and up i went flying through the mysteriious land………crazy iboga
btw tinkerchubster u are a fuken loon as well :}

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:54 +1300
Yep had a step dose about 8 pm last night, took about 3 hours to properly
kick in and took all withdrawals away, and now it is 11:30 am Saturday and I
am STILL feeling totally normal. WTF>??? Hahaha
All I can think of now, is Patrick on the Rite of Passage DVD saying “does
Ibogaine work? FUK YEHHHHHH!!” with a big smile,
Well I can say FUKK YEHHHH so far so fekking good!!!!!
Going for a walk soon.
Tis all gewd
Love heaps to all
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:30 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Hahahahah good one tink,
> Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave,
he’s
> the best slave ever!!! I feel like royalty!!
> Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
> next step dose….
> This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
> Ok more later
> Love heaps to alla ya
> Kirky xxxx
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
>
> Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone! If she wants to lure
> Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
> ;]
> tink
>
> On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
> >
> > And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
> >
> > It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
> >
> > Koiky xx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ahhhhh so typical
> >
> > even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
> there
> >
> > tsk tsk
> >
> > :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
> >
> > Hello Randyyy Et All,
> >
> > Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
> > morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal. Ho hum. I feel
> > FINE!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!! Never EVER thought I would look forward to
> > feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!! So looking like won’t be
starting
> > til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am
being
> > looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
> > other detoxes lol.
> >
> > Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you
can
> > hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
> >
> > Alright.
> >
> > Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
> >
> > (the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
> >
> > Love to all.
> >
> > Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your
energies!!!!!
> > Woooooooooooo!!!
> >
> > Kirk xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
> > fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
> > actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here
and
> go
> > back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine
back
> a
> > year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
> > treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a
hell
> of
> > a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are
you
> > doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded
her
> > yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m
so
> > glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
> > intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
> I’d
> > send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New
Zealand
> > they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
> Free
> > Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow (George Clinton) Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
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From: ericbryan@teamdragonfire.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 24, 2006 at 5:58:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey everyone.  My name is Eric and I’m new to the list, but Tink, i can get you some info on that, my grandfater uses roprinole HCL for his RLS.  Sometime later on today or tomorrow ill post it on here for you.

Peace, Love, Unity, Respect

Robert Eric Bryan III
Captain, Team DragonFire
President/CEO Team DragonFire Paintball

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS
PLEASE!!!!!!!
From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, February 22, 2006 11:31 am
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome?  The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance
tink

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] kirsty faking her addiction
Date: February 24, 2006 at 5:49:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

u fuken weirdo!!!!!
wtf???…..was that methadone u were drinking or pure orange juice?
this all seems like a big pile of bullshit! :]
but no in all honesty thats fuken great!
visions?……the elusive land of the dead?……the infinite loving universe?….the vast landscapes of god knows what?……what what tell tell
but im soooo happy u dont have to suffer!!!!!!! (like some of us who never learn) *cough ..*cough—-
love
magumba and gamumba
(got another name in my dreams again…..hurayy!!!!….after the last crazy session my dreams have been out of control…..two really intriging ones—- i was actually a  squarel protecting my nut from the rain(no not my testicles a real nut from the tree) the other —a cool continuation from my iboga vision—i found my self in the same place as in the vision but this time in the dream i knew exactly where i was ….so i decided to make a big leap from the rock and up i went flying through the mysteriious land………crazy iboga
btw tinkerchubster u are a fuken loon as well :}

 

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:30:54 +1300
Yep had a step dose about 8 pm last night, took about 3 hours to properly
kick in and took all withdrawals away, and now it is 11:30 am Saturday and I
am STILL feeling totally normal. WTF>??? Hahaha
All I can think of now, is Patrick on the Rite of Passage DVD saying “does
Ibogaine work? FUK YEHHHHHH!!” with a big smile,
Well I can say FUKK YEHHHH so far so fekking good!!!!!
Going for a walk soon.
Tis all gewd
Love heaps to all
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:30 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Hahahahah good one tink,
> Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave,
he’s
> the best slave ever!!! I feel like royalty!!
> Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
> next step dose….
> This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
> Ok more later
> Love heaps to alla ya
> Kirky xxxx
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
>
> Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone! If she wants to lure
> Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
> ;]
> tink
>
> On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
> >
> > And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
> >
> > It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
> >
> > Koiky xx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ahhhhh so typical
> >
> > even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
> there
> >
> > tsk tsk
> >
> > :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> > Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
> >
> > Hello Randyyy Et All,
> >
> > Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
> > morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal. Ho hum. I feel
> > FINE!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!! Never EVER thought I would look forward to
> > feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!! So looking like won’t be
starting
> > til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am
being
> > looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
> > other detoxes lol.
> >
> > Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you
can
> > hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
> >
> > Alright.
> >
> > Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
> >
> > (the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
> >
> > Love to all.
> >
> > Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your
energies!!!!!
> > Woooooooooooo!!!
> >
> > Kirk xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
> > fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
> > actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here
and
> go
> > back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine
back
> a
> > year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
> > treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a
hell
> of
> > a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are
you
> > doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded
her
> > yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m
so
> > glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
> > intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
> I’d
> > send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New
Zealand
> > they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
> Free
> > Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow (George Clinton) Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > Share a single photo or an entire slide show right inside your e-mail
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> >
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 5:30:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yep had a step dose about 8 pm last night, took about 3 hours to properly
kick in and took all withdrawals away, and now it is 11:30 am Saturday and I
am STILL feeling totally normal. WTF>??? Hahaha
All I can think of now, is Patrick on the Rite of Passage DVD saying “does
Ibogaine work?  FUK YEHHHHHH!!”  with a big smile,
Well I can say FUKK YEHHHH so far so fekking good!!!!!
Going for a walk soon.
Tis all gewd
Love heaps to all
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:30 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hahahahah good one tink,
Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave,
he’s
the best slave ever!!!  I feel like royalty!!
Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
next step dose….
This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
Ok more later
Love heaps to alla ya
Kirky xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone!  If she wants to lure
Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
;]
tink

On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!

And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol

It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd

Koiky xx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical

even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
there

tsk tsk

:]

________________________________

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,

Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel
FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to
feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be
starting
til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am
being
looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
other detoxes lol.

Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you
can
hit reply, see wot ‘appens.

Alright.

Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe

(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)

Love to all.

Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your
energies!!!!!
Woooooooooooo!!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here
and
go
back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine
back
a
year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a
hell
of
a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are
you
doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded
her
yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m
so
glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
I’d
send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New
Zealand
they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
Free
Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:29:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

have you had any at all yet?
keep me updated..
LOVE YA
tink

On 2/24/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hahahahah good one tink,
Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave, he’s
the best slave ever!!!  I feel like royalty!!
Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
next step dose….
This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
Ok more later
Love heaps to alla ya
Kirky xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone!  If she wants to lure
Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
;]
tink

On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!

And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol

It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd

Koiky xx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical

even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
there

tsk tsk

:]

________________________________

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,

Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel
FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to
feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting
til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being
looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
other detoxes lol.

Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you can
hit reply, see wot ‘appens.

Alright.

Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe

(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)

Love to all.

Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!
Woooooooooooo!!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and
go
back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back
a
year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell
of
a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you
doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her
yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so
glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
I’d
send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand
they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
Free
Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT- cameo video appearance
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:26:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou for that one…
love tink

On 2/23/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Check out Roddy von Seldenek’s new video Totally Goth, in which a certain
High Times columnist and DrugWar.com editor makes a cameo appearance and
gets a good laugh at himself.

http://www.myspace.com/roddyfilm

Enjoy.
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: Drug War Chronicle, Issue #424 (short version)
Date: February 24, 2006 at 10:28:49 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>, “DRCNet” <drcnet@drcnet.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Interestingly, I agree in large part with both Willis AND the DRCNet editors/writer here. Willis’ solution to the “problem” is just more bloodshed and war, but he’s right when he says that someone here in the US is making money on the cocaine trade OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED ALREADY, or at least, it wouldn’t be so damned easy for it to flow across our borders as it does today.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/424/brucewillis.shtml

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: DRCNet
To: Preston Peet
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Drug War Chronicle, Issue #424 (short version)

Drug War Chronicle
A publication of StoptheDrugWar.org
Raising Awareness of the Consequences of Drug Prohibition

Issue #424, 2/24/06

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

drug warriors attack — at the Olympics
FEATURE: THE OLYMPICS MEETS THE WAR ON DRUGS
Competition at the Olympic Games was overshadowed by a dramatic escalation of the war on drugs by Italian police, who raided Austria’s biathlon and cross-country skiing teams late the night before they were set to compete.
FEATURE: MARYLAND DELEGATE INTRODUCES BILL TO EASE STATE AID FOR STUDENTS AFFECTED BY FEDERAL DRUG PROVISION
A bill in the Maryland legislature would help students who lost federal financial aid for college because of drug convictions to obtain financial assistance through state programs.
FEATURE: FROM THE EAST BAY, THE CANNABIS CULTURE SPEAKS
Along with cannabis dispensaries, patient support services providers and a gift shop, Oakland’s 10-year old “Oaksterdam” enterprise now has a newspaper too.
LAW ENFORCEMENT: THIS WEEK’S CORRUPT COPS STORIES
It’s two for Texas, two for Tennessee in this week’s rogues’ gallery, but also cops gone bad from Pennsylvania and Maryland, South Carolina and Florida.
AYAHUASCA: SUPREME COURT OKAYS USE OF PSYCHEDELIC TEA IN CHURCH RITUALS
A unanimous US Supreme Court ruled Monday that the US branch of a Brazilian church may use a psychedelic tea containing a controlled substance as part of its religious rituals.
PROHIBITION: THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WAVERS
The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page has an impregnable reputation as a bastion of conservative thought and a long history of support for drug prohibition. But something is going on at the nation’s second most widely read newspaper.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA: ILLINOIS BILL MOVING, PASSES SENATE COMMITTEE
A bill that would allow seriously ill patients to use marijuana squeaked by a state Senate subcommittee with a one-vote margin last week and is now heading for a Senate floor vote.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA: NEW MEXICO BILL DIES IN HOUSE AS TIME RUNS OUT
For the second year in a row, an effort to push a medical marijuana bill through the New Mexico legislature has won passage in the state Senate only to stall in the House.
SOUTHEAST ASIA: DRUG WAR SUCCESS MEANS POVERTY FOR LAOTIAN FARMERS
A program to eradicate opium farming in Laos has been so “successful” that farmers there are now in dire need of economic assistance.
CANADA: BRITISH COLUMBIA’S NEW DEMOCRATS SAY LEGALIZE IT
The leading opposition party in the western Canadian province has officially called for legalization of marijuana.
SEARCH AND SEIZURE: FLORIDA APPEALS COURT RESTRICTS WARRANTLESS DRUG DOG SEARCHES
The Florida 4th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that police must obtain a warrant before drug-sniffing dogs are allowed to search private property.
CELEBRITY MOUTH: BRUCE WILLIS DECLARES WAR ON COCAINE
In what is presumably a bid to gin up publicity for his new movie, 16 Blocks, movie tough-guy Bruce Willis is talking tough about cocaine.
WEB SCAN
Cannabinoids for Cancer Treatment, Perjury in Police Misconduct
WEEKLY: THIS WEEK IN HISTORY
Events and quotes of note from this week’s drug policy events of years past.
JOB OPPORTUNITY: COMMUNITY LIAISON, PREVENTIONWORKS!, WASHINGTON, DC
The capital city’s syringe exchange/harm reduction program is hiring a Community Liaison.
WEEKLY: THE REFORMER’S CALENDAR
Showing up at an event can be the best way to get involved! Check out this week’s listings for events from today through next year, across the US and around the world!

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT- cameo video appearance
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:32:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Btw, the people at the front desk didn’t like the song to
well..they’ve shut me into the little computer room for making too
much noise ;]
lololololol
tink

On 2/24/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou for that one…
love tink

On 2/23/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Check out Roddy von Seldenek’s new video Totally Goth, in which a certain
High Times columnist and DrugWar.com editor makes a cameo appearance and
gets a good laugh at himself.

http://www.myspace.com/roddyfilm

Enjoy.
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (STILL OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:04:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I snuck ’em in on the train to the city this am…hard group to control.

On 2/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
That would be a dream come true.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

will they be attending your dj’ing event/  One can only hope and pray….
lolololololol
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
too frekain’ funny, thanks Tink. I did laugh out loud, really.
I’m still giggling.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

roflmao..lololololololololololol
enjoy
luv tink

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsu <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Vox] muslims on mdma
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the man in the back said everyone attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:31:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Okay.  I’m here.  Now what?
tink

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:24:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahahah good one tink,
Yes I have decided to lock Jasen in the basement so he can never leave, he’s
the best slave ever!!!  I feel like royalty!!
Had a great night, no withdrawals today, just considering what to do for
next step dose….
This shit is bizarre, in that it works…..I’m flabbergasted!!
Ok more later
Love heaps to alla ya
Kirky xxxx

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2006 9:12 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone!  If she wants to lure
Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
;]
tink

On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!

And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol

It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd

Koiky xx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical

even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over
there

tsk tsk

:]

________________________________

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,

Kirk here…. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel
FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to
feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting
til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being
looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
other detoxes lol.

Weird your emails are bouncing. I will try sending one to you and you can
hit reply, see wot ‘appens.

Alright.

Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe

(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him… hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)

Love to all.

Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!
Woooooooooooo!!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and
go
back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back
a
year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell
of
a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you
doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her
yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so
glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience.
I’d
send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand
they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.
Free
Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:12:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Matthew Zielinski, you leave my Koikie alone!  If she wants to lure
Jasen into her den of iniquity, you let her…
;]
tink

On 2/23/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!

And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol

It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd

Koiky xx

________________________________

From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical

even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there

tsk tsk

:]

________________________________

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,

Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday
morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel
FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to
feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting
til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being
looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my
other detoxes lol.

Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can
hit reply, see wot ‘appens.

Alright.

Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe

(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)

Love to all.

Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!
Woooooooooooo!!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

________________________________

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said
fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have
actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go
back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a
year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my
treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of
a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you
doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her
yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so
glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good
intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d
send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand
they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free
Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:14:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You’re on, you shark in kentucky fried clothing…
don’t let the big machines eat you
tink

On 2/23/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 2/21/06 1:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool,
couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got
a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.

Tink I see a doubles match brewing here. You and I against Kirsty and Jasen.
Then we can switch and see who truly is the player. He He         “8 ball in
the side, two rails”     Randy    PS Jasen, those two could very well beat
us if we aint careful.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] (ot sorta) btw tink
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:08:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
According to deathwatch.com, I die today, which hasn’t happened yet,
but my phone sudden;y shit the bed, and now my once dependable mac
won’t start.  Maybe it’s everything I own dies today instead?
You’re on for pool- when and where?
love tink

On 2/24/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hey Tink (and all),
For those in the Rotten Apple this weekend and who enjoy playing pool,
we have a lot of places to play here in LES, and I LOVE shooting pool. I
don’t know about dropping my pants for the whole bar (if I’m even wearing
pants) if I lose, but I do love to play.
Darts too.
I don’t drink though, only smoke, so my vision and balance are usually
pretty good, so keep this in mind if you’re gonna play me while drinking.
I’ll have that advantage (if it is an advantage come to think of it).
;-))
Looking forward to meeting list folk this weekend, so be sure to approach
and say hello if you spot me (which shouldn’t be difficult).
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 24, 2006 at 3:06:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You will definately be the pantless one.
Love and light on your impending launch!
tink

On 2/22/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Hey Tink,

Your on, it would be quite funny to see you and the captain standing on
The pool table dropping your pants,…one day,…Mmmm I hope you cant play
really good otherwise it might be me on the pooltable.

As we’re playing pool these students walk in,..3 or 4 girls with what I
thought was a guy pretending to be a girl for a laugh. They walked in and
I’m looking at this guy thinking,..good on ya mate anything for a laugh,..I
look at his shaved legs thinking gee,..he’s got good legs for a guy,..all
the while he is wobbling around in these high heels looking like he’d never
worn heels before.

I look at the chest just to make sure it is a boy and sure enough, a boys
chest,..I look at the football type shorts he has on and think this guys
great, what a laugh. I look at Kirsty and say,”Hey, check this guy out.

I walk over to the bar where they now are, to jokingly say,”hey darling can
I buy you a drink?, with a joking smile on my face and before I say anything
her friend says,with a smile,” I saw you looking at us, have you come over
to say hi,..as she said this, I heard the guy speak to the barman with an
obviously girly voice and I thought f*ck,..IT IS A GIRL,not knowing what to
say to her friend as my comic line was now blown I awkwardly made my way
back to the pool table feeling like a dick saying to Kirsty,”f*ck,..it is a
girl.

That was my awkward moment in NZ.

The final countdown is in progress. It is now 2:12pm and Kirsty is upstairs
resting. Has not been dosed yet.

Love, Jasen

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2006 4:04 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey Kirkie and Jasen!! I accept your challenge and double it- strip
pool it is !!!
I’ll be there, well….just as soon as I can figure out how to get a
passport legally :]
love to you, and I’ll be sending you all my love and support…
Is it still count down to launch?
10   9   8   7  6….
love tink
HI ZOE!!!!!

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From: Magnolia Martin <mmartin382@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] A graduate
Date: February 24, 2006 at 1:28:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve never posted before, really never thought I would, but just wanted to pipe up. 5 years ago I had a nasty habit, lost everything including my 18 month old child, took ibogaine and have been clean ever since. It helped that I moved and completely changed my life altogether, but the point is I feel strongly about the potential of ibogaine, so in that sense I guess you could consider me a “graduate”.

It will be interesting to see all of you tomorrow at the conference, to put a name with a face finally. Funny how this list can mold your impressions and ideas about how people look and sound…(not in the negative sense, just how it’s easy to get committed to a certain impression)

In case you didn’t catch it, my email is in response to this:

Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list.
Not a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a
whorehouse to do a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try
digging in the archives. Good idea, bad plan.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 12:56:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here we go..

My love, I kissed her,
That tiny fold, between the back of her leg and her ass.
that little crease. It was warm. It smelled of men. They had been there.
I appreciated that. I knew that she had been loved.
I didn’t care, she was a virgin to me.
I loved her as new, i cried as she gave herself to me.
My princess, how can I thank you.
Will you ever know?
your blessed body you entrusted to me
And I used it, i will never forget the gift.
Preston Peet wrote:
Again, best of luck to you both.

“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Hey guys,

It is 7:48 pm in New Zealand at the moment and Kirsty will be having her first step dose in 10 mins.
The dose will be 165mg of Ibogaine HCL. Kirsty weighs 66kilo’s.

Light a candle for our captain. Wow,…what a cool woman.

Love Jasen
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] stuff to do this Saturday
Date: February 24, 2006 at 12:42:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I’m going to be on a panel at the Ibogaine Conference 2006 in NYC this weekend, on Saturday, Feb. 25, at Columbia University, 115th Street, Manhattan (the second day’s event, on sunday, is being held at Alex Grey’s Chapel of Sacred Mirrors- both days’ events start at 11AM if memory serves correctly and please correct me if I’m wrong). I am speaking on the politics panel, and plan on discussing the politics of tripping to detox, but to be quite honest, I’m still not entirely sure if that IS what I’m going to be discussing or if something is going to pop into my head between now, Friday morning, and then, late afternoon Saturday. Still, what with my own recent experiences AND the recent Supreme Court decision allowing the use of ayahuasca by a small religious sect in the US, there is plenty of current material to talk about.

Then, late Saturday night/early Sunday morning, I will be spinning the late set at Mr. Choads Upstairs Downstairs Burlesque Extravaganza at The Slipper Room (burlesque show begins between 11 and Midnight sometime and I’ll be going on the decks sometime afterwards, around 1:30 or 2AM), on the corner of Orchird and Stanton Streets in LES, Manhattan. Be sure to come out and support the burlesque dancers and both dj’s for the evening, drink lots of stong drink and perhaps hook up with a special someone or someones.

I hope to see at least some of you out at one of these events. Don’t hesitate to introduce yourselves.
——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 24, 2006 at 12:02:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Really nice reply, thank you. Be calm, we all have problems here and are prone to going off. nuff said.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Paul writes:

ok sorry people. But that really got to me, when I read that, using Ibogaine to exchange one addiction from another. I am into abot seven months of pure hell and reading that just got my back ok!
Strenght, Power and Honour, I shall remember to respect.
Paul

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:56:00 -0600

Wow, I thought I was an ass. Got it all figgered out, do ya? That will be good news here. You might be better served by putting down the pen and bringing valid points to the foreground. You have some valid points, the horse ain’t got no ass. Calm down, make your point. We see your fervor. Attacking is not the right approach. You have something to say and we want to hear it. We are not enemies, nor are we stupid. It seems a little odd that you stomp in here and piss all over veterans, founders, creators of this room, to what end? We mean you no harm, this is only a discussion group, and you need to seriously BACK DOWN.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Paul writes,

Hey Bill,
You are full of crap mate, that’s for sure. I have never read such a pony, full of horse—-! in all my life.
Firstly any way that can reduce the hellish pain of withdrawal and enable the addict to experience a greater spiritual awareness, is a tool. You are a fool to think that, someone with a physical addiction to Opiate based drugs and other such gateway drugs such as Cocaine, is only changing there drug of addiction, by taking Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not a gateway drug. Before you come here and criticize people, who are looking for real help with their problems, why don’t you educate yourself and learn about what you are talking about. Instead of just spouting out a load of baloney that you read in a report. Cannabis along with many many other entheogenics, do not pose a problem of physical withdrawal, such as the likes of Heroin, Methadone and synthetic Opiates and Cocaine.
Psychological addictive properties have been known of any drug that stimulates the Ventral Tegmental Dopamine Neurons, but non gateway drugs do not enforce the cycle of a Dopamine release, so therefore are not, impulse dependant. Morphine and Cocaine like substances induce a Dopamine release, so are impulse dependant. Once the cycle has been started, the brain Reward Cascade, has to be constantly recharged, in order for the enforcing affect of such substances to take place.
Seeing as Entheogenic substances do not enforce this cycle, they are dependant on another process.
Pleasure reward of such substances is short lived, so the drug can only be called psychologically addictive. The effect of such Entheogenics, has but a short life of possibly 56 hours max. Then the Adrenal glands become depleted and the Brain Reward Cascade Stops.
Any person with a physical dependence problem will tell you that they get no pleasure from the drugs they need to take each day to operate. This being the case there is no reward, so the person is taking the drugs for a different reason than to get pleasure.
This my friend, is what you seem to so sorely to misunderstand.
Ibogaine and such likes are tools. They should and are used for what they are meant for.
I do not know anyone who would take Ibogaine, just for pleasure.
Get your head out of the sand, you Ostrich.
How can you say that you are just changing the drug of addiction, when Ibogaine, would be used as a tool to help prevent self destruction on drugs, and would be took, maybe 3 or 4 times throughout one persons life. That is not an addiction.
What the hell are you doing here, if you can’t see that your own concept is warped. This being the case, then SOD OFF!!
Strength leads to Power, leads to Honour, hence self respect!!!
You are some dumb idiot. ha ha ha !!!

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:39:23 -0800 (PST)

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html

Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 12:15:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sheep, and I thot I loved Kirsty…Baaahhhh

Kirk wrote:
Haaa,

I don’t know what all the hype is about with New Zealand sheep,..they’re no prettier than Aussie sheep. What a waste of time bringing my gum boots,..no sheephair under my fingernails.  : )

Love, Jasen
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:41 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
Koiky xx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 11:56:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God, I love you. Be brave.

Kirk wrote:
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (ot sorta) btw tink
Date: February 24, 2006 at 10:22:04 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink (and all),
For those in the Rotten Apple this weekend and who enjoy playing pool, we have a lot of places to play here in LES, and I LOVE shooting pool. I don’t know about dropping my pants for the whole bar (if I’m even wearing pants) if I lose, but I do love to play.
Darts too.
I don’t drink though, only smoke, so my vision and balance are usually pretty good, so keep this in mind if you’re gonna play me while drinking. I’ll have that advantage (if it is an advantage come to think of it).
;-))
Looking forward to meeting list folk this weekend, so be sure to approach and say hello if you spot me (which shouldn’t be difficult).
Peace and love.

——
“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 9:30:14 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Again, best of luck to you both.

“Found her out in a field about a mile from home
Her dress was warm from the sun but her body was cold.
Heard a policeman say it’s ‘just another overdose.’
Just another overdose.
Yes she used to be the kind of lover you would never leave.
She’d do anything to give me what I need for my disease.
She would do anything.”
Everclear- “Heroin Girl”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Hey guys,

It is 7:48 pm in New Zealand at the moment and Kirsty will be having her first step dose in 10 mins.
The dose will be 165mg of Ibogaine HCL. Kirsty weighs 66kilo’s.

Light a candle for our captain. Wow,…what a cool woman.

Love Jasen
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Hey Preston! entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 24, 2006 at 8:41:36 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Paul.
What a nice note to read first thing, first email (after all the irritatingly “haha you aren’t smoking THIS” thmq submissions I’ve just sorted through. Egad, I smoke great pot, but when folk send me a ream of photos of the GREAT pot they’re smoking, I get envious- Bad Preston).
Saw The Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black last night (too lazy to google up a link for you but I recommend it if you’re into freak shows), and they rocked the freakin’ house.
But my question is, what happened to pot smoking at concerts? It seemed I was the only one smoking, if the reactions of the people around me were any indication.
;-))

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Hey Preston! entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

Hi Preston,
That doesn’t sound like bed and breakfast mate. That’s more like, full board and lodgings in the Penthouse suite, plus extras!!! Plus extra EXTRAS!!!
It is going to take me at least a month to get my head around all that grammer, but great to hear you had a peek.^-^ as in look, or, high mountain, top of. Or if she’d of known ,she, would have.
I dunno mate its all a bit much for me. ha ha ha.
Good to hear you had a great time
Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:47:05 +0100 (CET)

>Thanks preston,

hey, you did get Lunch, dinner and night meals here too.;-)
thanks for thinking so highly of me.

Sara

>”I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
> US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your > agenda”?<
>
> Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”
>
>>”This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
> iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years > of
> battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after > my
> car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
> house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
> and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<
>
> Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece
> just
> now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s
> wrong
> with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
> I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance
at
> least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole
> plant
> extract, or something like this.
> Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider > throwing
> up
> really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
> I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the > homepage.
> Did
> I forget to include a direct link?
> Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe
you
> a
> bowl or something.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam
> redux
>
>
>> VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!
>>
>> I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and >> your
>> link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was
there.
>> So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get >> hate
>> mail!
>>
>> http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm
>>
>> Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”,
>> junky
>> (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no
ill
>> effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would
>> suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such
as
>> igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?
>>
>> “I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic,
warmongering
>> US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your >> agenda”?
>>
>> “This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
>> iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years
of
>> battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after
my
>> car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
>> house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
>> and
>> Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One
>> of”
>> imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative.
>> “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it >> was
>> only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma,
>> this
>> “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.”
>> Probably best is probably best.
>>
>> Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me.
>> Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, >> I’m
>> an
>> Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do
>> this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate
>> argument as an eighth grader.
>>
>> Very nice, very sloppy work.
>>
>> FIX IT
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> Preston Peet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>    Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com
>>> (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m >>> thinking,
>>> as
>>> you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in
the
>>> Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use
>>> it
>>> at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an
>>> article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply >>> had
>>> to
>>> write something NOW.
>>>    So check it out please.
>>> Have a day all.
>>>
>>> http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29
>>>
>>> Something in the Way-
>>> an excerpt
>>> Chapter 29-
>>> The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
>>> An Amsterdam Redux
>>> by Preston Peet
>>> all photos by Preston Peet
>>> unless otherwise noted
>>> posted at DrugWar.com
>>> Feb. 20, 2006
>>>
>>> photographer unknown
>>> “Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the
>>> Netherlands if you’d like.”
>>> The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it
>>> was
>>> way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the
>>> African
>>> root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment >>> technique,
>>> but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security
>>> of
>>> my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I
>>> figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it >>> was
>>> impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate >>> methadone
>>> withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which
>>> contains
>>> all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the
>>> ibogaine
>>> molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
>>> Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of
>>> occasions
>>> to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my
own
>>> apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its
>>> effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was
>>> subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick >>> pretty
>>> much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after
>>> each
>>> experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same
>>> situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack
of
>>> space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a
>>> tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core >>> love
>>> of
>>> opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated >>> addiction
>>> to
>>> the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and
over,
>>> without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain
>>> any
>>> strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been
>>> troubled with for years.
>>> snip-
>>> Read complete article at above URL
>>> Peace and love,
>>> Preston Peet
>>>
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>>> often
>>> mistaken for madness”
>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>
>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations,
>>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 24, 2006 at 4:38:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

It is 7:48 pm in New Zealand at the moment and Kirsty will be having her first step dose in 10 mins.
The dose will be 165mg of Ibogaine HCL. Kirsty weighs 66kilo’s.

Light a candle for our captain. Wow,…what a cool woman.

Love Jasen
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 8:57:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Haaa,

I don’t know what all the hype is about with New Zealand sheep,..they’re no prettier than Aussie sheep. What a waste of time bringing my gum boots,..no sheephair under my fingernails.  : )

Love, Jasen
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:41 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
Koiky xx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 23, 2006 at 8:03:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul writes:

ok sorry people. But that really got to me, when I read that, using Ibogaine to exchange one addiction from another. I am into abot seven months of pure hell and reading that just got my back ok!
Strenght, Power and Honour, I shall remember to respect.
Paul

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:56:00 -0600

Wow, I thought I was an ass. Got it all figgered out, do ya? That will be good news here. You might be better served by putting down the pen and bringing valid points to the foreground. You have some valid points, the horse ain’t got no ass. Calm down, make your point. We see your fervor. Attacking is not the right approach. You have something to say and we want to hear it. We are not enemies, nor are we stupid. It seems a little odd that you stomp in here and piss all over veterans, founders, creators of this room, to what end? We mean you no harm, this is only a discussion group, and you need to seriously BACK DOWN.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Paul writes,

Hey Bill,
You are full of crap mate, that’s for sure. I have never read such a pony, full of horse—-! in all my life.
Firstly any way that can reduce the hellish pain of withdrawal and enable the addict to experience a greater spiritual awareness, is a tool. You are a fool to think that, someone with a physical addiction to Opiate based drugs and other such gateway drugs such as Cocaine, is only changing there drug of addiction, by taking Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not a gateway drug. Before you come here and criticize people, who are looking for real help with their problems, why don’t you educate yourself and learn about what you are talking about. Instead of just spouting out a load of baloney that you read in a report. Cannabis along with many many other entheogenics, do not pose a problem of physical withdrawal, such as the likes of Heroin, Methadone and synthetic Opiates and Cocaine.
Psychological addictive properties have been known of any drug that stimulates the Ventral Tegmental Dopamine Neurons, but non gateway drugs do not enforce the cycle of a Dopamine release, so therefore are not, impulse dependant. Morphine and Cocaine like substances induce a Dopamine release, so are impulse dependant. Once the cycle has been started, the brain Reward Cascade, has to be constantly recharged, in order for the enforcing affect of such substances to take place.
Seeing as Entheogenic substances do not enforce this cycle, they are dependant on another process.
Pleasure reward of such substances is short lived, so the drug can only be called psychologically addictive. The effect of such Entheogenics, has but a short life of possibly 56 hours max. Then the Adrenal glands become depleted and the Brain Reward Cascade Stops.
Any person with a physical dependence problem will tell you that they get no pleasure from the drugs they need to take each day to operate. This being the case there is no reward, so the person is taking the drugs for a different reason than to get pleasure.
This my friend, is what you seem to so sorely to misunderstand.
Ibogaine and such likes are tools. They should and are used for what they are meant for.
I do not know anyone who would take Ibogaine, just for pleasure.
Get your head out of the sand, you Ostrich.
How can you say that you are just changing the drug of addiction, when Ibogaine, would be used as a tool to help prevent self destruction on drugs, and would be took, maybe 3 or 4 times throughout one persons life. That is not an addiction.
What the hell are you doing here, if you can’t see that your own concept is warped. This being the case, then SOD OFF!!
Strength leads to Power, leads to Honour, hence self respect!!!
You are some dumb idiot. ha ha ha !!!

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:39:23 -0800 (PST)

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html

Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 6:35:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

It has been 48 hours since last dose of methadone. Kirsty is still doing well,..have not dosed with Ibogaine yet,..waiting for Kirsty to say when she feels she needs her first dose.

We will be step dosing starting with 165mg then we will see what happens. When the time between doses gets down to a couple of hours she will then have her flood dose.

All is well in New Zealand. Kirsty has just gone upstairs to lie down for a while,..seems like her first dose may be early this evening or late this arvo.

Love Jasen
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 4:41:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahahah I’d better start faking withdrawals hahahahaha!!!
And I swear I’m not sneaking anything on the side !! lol
It’s all goodddddddddddddddddddd
Koiky xx
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300
Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 4:27:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ahhhhh so typical
even went so far as to fake methadone addiction just to get jasen over there
tsk tsk
:]
From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:38:55 +1300

Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 3:38:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello Randyyy Et All,
Kirk here…….. well had last drink on Wednesday morning tis now Friday morning and I’m still waiting to go into withdrawal.   Ho hum.  I feel FINE!!!!!  Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!  Never EVER thought I would look forward to feeling like shit so much hahahaha!!!!  So looking like won’t be starting til probably tonight unless I deteriorate rapidly, can’t see it I am being looked after SOOOOO well, wish I’d had this kind of treatment on all my other detoxes lol.
Weird your emails are bouncing… I will try sending one to you and you can hit reply, see wot ‘appens.
Alright.
Look forward to kicking ass in a pool tournament sum day!!!!! Hehehehe
(the only reason jasen won is cos I let him….. hahahahhhahaahahahahaha)
Love to all.
Feeling ridiculously and unusually fine.,.. must be all your energies!!!!!  Woooooooooooo!!!
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:15 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

From: “Warren Theriot” <warrentheriot@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game
Date: February 23, 2006 at 2:12:23 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,
I’m new to the message board. I was wondering and hoping that there is a Los Angeles group such as in New York. If Dan Beal could be cloned. I read his book! I  have been interested in Ibogaine for about 3 or 4 years now from research on the internet. I have had 2 of my very best friends from hight school die from Heroin related self-inflicted abuse. I found my closest friend dead in his house from a Heroin overdose in 1994. In 1999, another close friend shot himself after several years of heroin and methadone abuse. I have had a chronic pain syndrome accompanied by RLS for 20 or so years, the last 15 having used codiene and vicodin to alleviate the discomfort in my legs and feet. The last 3 years have been hell because of stress from lack of sleep, not being able to work because of the stress and chronic pain, barking dogs from incorrigably inconsiderate neighbors. The dopamine spikes have make me so angry that I feel like I’m dying inside. The stress I’m afraid, had rubbed off on my poor dear father who just passed away from a stroke. Rather than making things worse, I have sought a peaceful solution, but until I heard of Ibogaine, I felt totally helpless. Now there is some hope. I am really appaplled by the anti-drug forces at work in this nation and around the world who show such diabolical ignorance bout how the human brain works.
I have studied how drugs work on the body,  brain and mind for years, after I inheriited an old neighbor’s medical texts in the ’80s. I was originally interested in pshychelics, but after 1987, I felt that bad LSD actually precipitated the RLS and other miserable chronic pain in my legs; I stopped ever trying acid again. I have only taken shrooms a few times as an alternative since then, and I can’t for the life of me see how they could possibly be bad to take out in the desert while having fun. My legs were never affected by shrooms. Now I need to get off the codiene once and for all for the overall health of my body and mind. I feel that the dopamine spikes caused by the codiene are making my hatred for having my peace disturbed at all hours of the day or night intolerable. I can’t take benzodiazapines for stress relief because I have worn out my brain circuits. I am off those and good riddance. A year ago I spent an agonizing two months in withdrawl trying to get off codiene. I was able to cut back from 240+ mg per day to about 60 to 160 mg for the last year. Now I need to stop completely, but every time I go with out for several days or a week, I get really depressed besides having RLS. I have been taking amino acid suppliments since last may, but they don’t make it so I can completely stop taking codiene. I know that excercise will help, but how do you get out of the house to walk and excersise when you are too depressed to get ot of bed or go outside for much of the time?
I read a news story about how Ibogaine is available underground for some lucky people in New York without having to go overseas or to Mexico or Cancun. The problem with this US government system is that it has given in to “privatization” of much of the infrastructure that was once the responsibility of the government. The result has been corporate control over issues that are contolled by the corporate need to “keep the bottom line low”. That translates to neglect, abuse and outright disdane for the needy and poor. As I watched my father dying in the hospital, I was deeply distressed by Kaiser’s giving up on his rehab after he reached a plateau. Within a week of their stopping intensive therapy he died. It wouldn’t have hurt them to continue, but no, they were worried about saving money, not saving my father’s life. They did not tell us he was going to die right away. They didn’t pay that much attention to his obstructive sleep apnea. Not enought to keep him from getting worse, too late to keep him from having more strokes and dying.
Faith-based organizations are controlled by the bottom line as FEAR of illegal and addicting drugs. Some drugs that are NOT addicting are considered illegal due to CRIMINAL IGNORANCE!  There is no science applied by that standard. So don’t expect me to trust in a church or other Judeao-Christian organization to help me solve my problems. Or those of this country or the world. The light that is shown by knowledge and science seems to blind the “blindly”-faithful.  The so-called Love is occluded by the Fear. That is my opinion on this day. I wish that more [Enough to make the difference] people would wake up to the facts of all the research on Ibogaine. I find it disturbing and terribly sad [because of the deaths of my friends] that Ibogaine is not now a US, AMA medically accepted treatment for the addictions caused by opiate use. I have faith that Ibogaine will someday help me to abstain from using addicting pain killers. How much does it cost money-wise?
Sincerely,
Warren Theriot
warrentheriot@comcast.net

From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]Hey Preston! entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 23, 2006 at 1:11:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Preston,
That doesn’t sound like bed and breakfast mate. That’s more like, full board and lodgings in the Penthouse suite, plus extras!!! Plus extra EXTRAS!!!
It is going to take me at least a month to get my head around all that grammer, but great to hear you had a peek.^-^ as in look, or, high mountain, top of. Or if she’d of known ,she, would have.
I dunno mate its all a bit much for me. ha ha ha.
Good to hear you had a great time
Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:47:05 +0100 (CET)

>Thanks preston,

hey, you did get Lunch, dinner and night meals here too.;-)
thanks for thinking so highly of me.

Sara

>”I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
> US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<
>
> Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”
>
>>”This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
> iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
> battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
> car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
> house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
> and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<
>
> Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece
> just
> now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s
> wrong
> with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
> I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance at
> least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole
> plant
> extract, or something like this.
> Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider throwing
> up
> really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
> I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the homepage.
> Did
> I forget to include a direct link?
> Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe you
> a
> bowl or something.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam
> redux
>
>
>> VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!
>>
>> I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your
>> link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there.
>> So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate
>> mail!
>>
>> http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm
>>
>> Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”,
>> junky
>> (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill
>> effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would
>> suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as
>> igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?
>>
>> “I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
>> US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?
>>
>> “This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
>> iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
>> battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
>> car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
>> house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
>> and
>> Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One
>> of”
>> imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative.
>> “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was
>> only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma,
>> this
>> “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.”
>> Probably best is probably best.
>>
>> Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me.
>> Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m
>> an
>> Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do
>> this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate
>> argument as an eighth grader.
>>
>> Very nice, very sloppy work.
>>
>> FIX IT
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> Preston Peet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>    Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com
>>> (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking,
>>> as
>>> you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the
>>> Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use
>>> it
>>> at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an
>>> article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had
>>> to
>>> write something NOW.
>>>    So check it out please.
>>> Have a day all.
>>>
>>> http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29
>>>
>>> Something in the Way-
>>> an excerpt
>>> Chapter 29-
>>> The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
>>> An Amsterdam Redux
>>> by Preston Peet
>>> all photos by Preston Peet
>>> unless otherwise noted
>>> posted at DrugWar.com
>>> Feb. 20, 2006
>>>
>>> photographer unknown
>>> “Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the
>>> Netherlands if you’d like.”
>>> The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it
>>> was
>>> way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the
>>> African
>>> root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique,
>>> but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security
>>> of
>>> my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I
>>> figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was
>>> impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone
>>> withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which
>>> contains
>>> all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the
>>> ibogaine
>>> molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
>>> Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of
>>> occasions
>>> to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own
>>> apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its
>>> effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was
>>> subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty
>>> much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after
>>> each
>>> experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same
>>> situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of
>>> space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a
>>> tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love
>>> of
>>> opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction
>>> to
>>> the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over,
>>> without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain
>>> any
>>> strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been
>>> troubled with for years.
>>> snip-
>>> Read complete article at above URL
>>> Peace and love,
>>> Preston Peet
>>>
>>> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
>>> often
>>> mistaken for madness”
>>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>>
>>> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
>>> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
>>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
>>> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
>>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>>> Columnist New York Waste
>>> Etc.
>>>
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 23, 2006 at 12:56:00 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, I thought I was an ass. Got it all figgered out, do ya? That will be good news here. You might be better served by putting down the pen and bringing valid points to the foreground. You have some valid points, the horse ain’t got no ass. Calm down, make your point. We see your fervor. Attacking is not the right approach. You have something to say and we want to hear it. We are not enemies, nor are we stupid. It seems a little odd that you stomp in here and piss all over veterans, founders, creators of this room, to what end? We mean you no harm, this is only a discussion group, and you need to seriously BACK DOWN.

Paul Brookshaw wrote:

Paul writes,

Hey Bill,
You are full of crap mate, that’s for sure. I have never read such a pony, full of horse—-! in all my life.
Firstly any way that can reduce the hellish pain of withdrawal and enable the addict to experience a greater spiritual awareness, is a tool. You are a fool to think that, someone with a physical addiction to Opiate based drugs and other such gateway drugs such as Cocaine, is only changing there drug of addiction, by taking Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not a gateway drug. Before you come here and criticize people, who are looking for real help with their problems, why don’t you educate yourself and learn about what you are talking about. Instead of just spouting out a load of baloney that you read in a report. Cannabis along with many many other entheogenics, do not pose a problem of physical withdrawal, such as the likes of Heroin, Methadone and synthetic Opiates and Cocaine.
Psychological addictive properties have been known of any drug that stimulates the Ventral Tegmental Dopamine Neurons, but non gateway drugs do not enforce the cycle of a Dopamine release, so therefore are not, impulse dependant. Morphine and Cocaine like substances induce a Dopamine release, so are impulse dependant. Once the cycle has been started, the brain Reward Cascade, has to be constantly recharged, in order for the enforcing affect of such substances to take place.
Seeing as Entheogenic substances do not enforce this cycle, they are dependant on another process.
Pleasure reward of such substances is short lived, so the drug can only be called psychologically addictive. The effect of such Entheogenics, has but a short life of possibly 56 hours max. Then the Adrenal glands become depleted and the Brain Reward Cascade Stops.
Any person with a physical dependence problem will tell you that they get no pleasure from the drugs they need to take each day to operate. This being the case there is no reward, so the person is taking the drugs for a different reason than to get pleasure.
This my friend, is what you seem to so sorely to misunderstand.
Ibogaine and such likes are tools. They should and are used for what they are meant for.
I do not know anyone who would take Ibogaine, just for pleasure.
Get your head out of the sand, you Ostrich.
How can you say that you are just changing the drug of addiction, when Ibogaine, would be used as a tool to help prevent self destruction on drugs, and would be took, maybe 3 or 4 times throughout one persons life. That is not an addiction.
What the hell are you doing here, if you can’t see that your own concept is warped. This being the case, then SOD OFF!!
Strength leads to Power, leads to Honour, hence self respect!!!
You are some dumb idiot. ha ha ha !!!

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:39:23 -0800 (PST)

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 23, 2006 at 12:42:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

wow man you seem to want to know just to much info.
Good tip.
KEEP IT SIMPLE
Don’t get bugged down in stats. All you really want to know is, drug used before treatmment, treatment, outcome, projections ie: goals
I couldn’t fill all of what you wanted, also why so personal.
Ibogaine as I understand is an individuals own experience, so all the personal stuff you could chuck out.
Strength, Power and Honour.
Paul.

From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:44:18 -0500

Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdı <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
> It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:
>
> Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts
>
>         Introduction:
> 1.      Name
> 2.      Gender
> 3.      Location
> 4.      Age
> 5.      Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?
>
>         Basic drug related questions:
> 1.      What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
> a)      Heroin
> b)      Methadone
> c)      Subutex
> d)      Cocaine
> e)      Crack
> f)      Benzos
> g)      Other, which one(s)
>
> 2.      How many times have you done Ibogaine?
> a)      Once and I feel drug free
> b)      More times and I feel drug free
> c)      One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
> d)      One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
>
> 3.      How many years have you been using drugs?
> 4.      How long did you stay clean after treatment?
> 5.      Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?
>
>         Describe your last treatment
> 1.      Where have you been treated?
> 2.      Where the extract came from?
> 3.      What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
> 4.      Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
> 5.      Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
> 6.      How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals started yet?
> 7.      Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the treatment?
> 8.      Have you had strong visions? What kind (violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
> 9.      Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
> 10.     Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
> 11.     Did you have some aftercare? What kind?
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] OT- cameo video appearance
Date: February 23, 2006 at 12:41:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Check out Roddy von Seldenek’s new video Totally Goth, in which a certain High Times columnist and DrugWar.com editor makes a cameo appearance and gets a good laugh at himself.

http://www.myspace.com/roddyfilm

Enjoy.
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 23, 2006 at 12:27:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Tink , I’m familiar with that type of medication -as I used to be thwarted with RLS.The meds were the same classification of dopamine agonists, kinda similar to how they treat parkinsons, kinda opposite how they treat psychosis, and I’m here to tell you that the meds had very unacceptable side effects for me, and I know Ive mentioned previously that once I started to get acupuncture regularly my RLS is gone, however , if I recently went through a detox, my RLS reoccured for a short time again, I also think that calcium & magnesium coupled with exercise & stretching helped alot, also using Zen Gu Shui ,a chinese linament helped alot.Best of luck-shell

tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome? The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance
tink

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] OT For Immediate News Release,
Date: February 23, 2006 at 12:09:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

For Immediate News Release,
Feb. 22, 2006
Church of Cognizance,
Puna, Hawaii Information Center

Founders of Church of Cognizance Arrested?

E.C.Danuel and Mary Quantance have been arrested by the border patrol in
New Mexico and are being held at the D.E.A. office in Los Cruises, New
Mexico on Marijuana charges. Despite to recent ruling by the Supreme Court
on the right of churches to transport their sacrament un-harassed and the
fact that Marijuana is recognized as a Sacrament by the Supreme Court,
members of a marijuana church (church of Cognizance) are being held
regardless of what the high courts say in a act by the D.E.A. that can
only be described as a Hate Crime. E.C.Danuel has a medical condition that
is not being considered be these nazi’s and without his med’s serious
health problems could accure.

This is a very serious situation that cannot go unheard or untold. Please
forward this e-mail to all of the Activist in your address book and/or
contact me (Daniel Jeffrey) at 808 965-7514 or e-mail at
“clearcloud9@enlightener.net” with any help you might be able to offer be
it advise or what ever.

More information will be sent along as it comes in. Believe me when I say
that we have no intention on allowing our founders to be subjected to this
Hate Crime unchallenged or published.

Please be prepared to join us broadcast this Hate Crime from the highest
mountain.

E.C.Danuel Quantance is bar none one of the leading authorities on the
history of the use of Marijuana worldwide and has dedicated most of his
life helping people with marijuana cases.
I can only hope that we can help him now that he is being victumized by
the DEA whom make there living off of selling rock cocaine and jailing
marijuana users.

Your bud E.C.Daniel Jeffrey of the church of Cognizance, Puna, Hawaii

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 23, 2006 at 10:26:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul writes,

Hey Bill,
You are full of crap mate, that’s for sure. I have never read such a pony, full of horse—-! in all my life.
Firstly any way that can reduce the hellish pain of withdrawal and enable the addict to experience a greater spiritual awareness, is a tool. You are a fool to think that, someone with a physical addiction to Opiate based drugs and other such gateway drugs such as Cocaine, is only changing there drug of addiction, by taking Ibogaine. Ibogaine is not a gateway drug. Before you come here and criticize people, who are looking for real help with their problems, why don’t you educate yourself and learn about what you are talking about. Instead of just spouting out a load of baloney that you read in a report. Cannabis along with many many other entheogenics, do not pose a problem of physical withdrawal, such as the likes of Heroin, Methadone and synthetic Opiates and Cocaine.
Psychological addictive properties have been known of any drug that stimulates the Ventral Tegmental Dopamine Neurons, but non gateway drugs do not enforce the cycle of a Dopamine release, so therefore are not, impulse dependant. Morphine and Cocaine like substances induce a Dopamine release, so are impulse dependant. Once the cycle has been started, the brain Reward Cascade, has to be constantly recharged, in order for the enforcing affect of such substances to take place.
Seeing as Entheogenic substances do not enforce this cycle, they are dependant on another process.
Pleasure reward of such substances is short lived, so the drug can only be called psychologically addictive. The effect of such Entheogenics, has but a short life of possibly 56 hours max. Then the Adrenal glands become depleted and the Brain Reward Cascade Stops.
Any person with a physical dependence problem will tell you that they get no pleasure from the drugs they need to take each day to operate. This being the case there is no reward, so the person is taking the drugs for a different reason than to get pleasure.
This my friend, is what you seem to so sorely to misunderstand.
Ibogaine and such likes are tools. They should and are used for what they are meant for.
I do not know anyone who would take Ibogaine, just for pleasure.
Get your head out of the sand, you Ostrich.
How can you say that you are just changing the drug of addiction, when Ibogaine, would be used as a tool to help prevent self destruction on drugs, and would be took, maybe 3 or 4 times throughout one persons life. That is not an addiction.
What the hell are you doing here, if you can’t see that your own concept is warped. This being the case, then SOD OFF!!
Strength leads to Power, leads to Honour, hence self respect!!!
You are some dumb idiot. ha ha ha !!!

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:39:23 -0800 (PST)

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 23, 2006 at 7:03:50 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

apparently I will be playing at least one set, if not the whole night, so I still hope everyone who wants to see and hear good burlesque, nubile young women and men performing some sometimes genuinely hilarious and sometimes even very disturbing acts will plan on coming out after visiting Dana’s. I know I am, even with that amazingly silly Sunday 11AM call time.
;-)))
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

count me in!  always up fpr a freak show ;]
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yes, see you next weekend apparently, although I’m dj’ing Saturday night so
am not sure I’ll be able to attend the bash at Bleeker St.- that said, the
gig is only a few mere blocks from Dana’s so I’m sure everyone attending
will make it out to the burlesque show to see some interesting and fleshy
acts and hear awesome dj’ing after the shin-dig at Dana’s.
Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

didn’t work for me either…didn’t smoke for 5 days the last time, 4
days this time, and now i figure i’ll get to it at some point in the
near future (total freaking cop-out, but at least i’m not shooting
dope.  That’s my excuse and i’m sticking to it…)
how are you doing, any way?
see you next weekend?
love tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ > mind
> in
> nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
> could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I > could
> pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which
> I’ve
> now smoked.
>     Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
> serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
> calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
> Sigh.
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
>
>
> > can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at
> > Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to > > be
> > anywhere I suppose.
> > BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the > > next
> > one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, > > but
> > am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna
> > quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my > > next
> > check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured
> > I’m
> > only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it
> > without
> > them?
> > Grrrr.
> >
> > Peace and love,
> > Preston Peet
> >
> > “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > > often
> > mistaken for madness”
> > Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> > ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> > Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > > Civilizations,
> > Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> > Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> > Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> > Cont. High Times mag/.com
> > Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> > Columnist New York Waste
> > Etc.
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
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> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
> >
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> >> Patrick
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 23, 2006 at 6:50:51 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks for the smile at this early hour, listening to the oh so cheerful music of Eliott Smith (one of new favorite musicians of all time- I LOVE this guy’s music. Too bad he killed himself a few years back, darn it).
I myself would love to visit both Oz and NZ so hope to meet you both sooner or later.
Again, please be safe and attentive Jasen.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey Tink,

Your on, it would be quite funny to see you and the captain standing on
The pool table dropping your pants,…one day,…Mmmm I hope you cant play
really good otherwise it might be me on the pooltable.

As we’re playing pool these students walk in,..3 or 4 girls with what I
thought was a guy pretending to be a girl for a laugh. They walked in and
I’m looking at this guy thinking,..good on ya mate anything for a laugh,..I
look at his shaved legs thinking gee,..he’s got good legs for a guy,..all
the while he is wobbling around in these high heels looking like he’d never
worn heels before.

I look at the chest just to make sure it is a boy and sure enough, a boys
chest,..I look at the football type shorts he has on and think this guys
great, what a laugh. I look at Kirsty and say,”Hey, check this guy out.

I walk over to the bar where they now are, to jokingly say,”hey darling can
I buy you a drink?, with a joking smile on my face and before I say anything
her friend says,with a smile,” I saw you looking at us, have you come over
to say hi,..as she said this, I heard the guy speak to the barman with an
obviously girly voice and I thought f*ck,..IT IS A GIRL,not knowing what to
say to her friend as my comic line was now blown I awkwardly made my way
back to the pool table feeling like a dick saying to Kirsty,”f*ck,..it is a
girl.

That was my awkward moment in NZ.

The final countdown is in progress. It is now 2:12pm and Kirsty is upstairs
resting. Has not been dosed yet.

Love, Jasen

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2006 4:04 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey Kirkie and Jasen!! I accept your challenge and double it- strip
pool it is !!!
I’ll be there, well….just as soon as I can figure out how to get a
passport legally :]
love to you, and I’ll be sending you all my love and support…
Is it still count down to launch?
10   9   8   7  6….
love tink
HI ZOE!!!!!

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 23, 2006 at 6:15:11 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, it’s 6:30 am in Kentucky on Thursday morning. I’m fixin’ (he said fixin’) to go to work operating heavy equipment. I can’t believe I have actually pulled this off so far. I made these plans to come back here and go back to operating dozers and such and get the word out about Ibogaine back a year and a half ago., more like two years ago. Even before I did my treatment to get off of methadone I wanted to do this. Ibogaine is a hell of a drug!!!! Anyway, I’m assuming Kirsty has started her treatment. Are you doing a gradual methadone protocol? How is she doing? Have you flooded her yet? Am I annoying you with questions? (He He He) God this is cool. I’m so glad that you are involved Jasen. I have a feeling that you have good intuitions and Kirsty will get just what she needs from the experience. I’d send a private Email but when I try to send private Emails to New Zealand they bounce for some reason. Much love and solidarity to yall.          Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow   (George Clinton)        Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT the pool game
Date: February 23, 2006 at 5:58:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/21/06 1:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, captkirk@clear.net.nz writes:

TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.

Tink I see a doubles match brewing here. You and I against Kirsty and Jasen. Then we can switch and see who truly is the player. He He         “8 ball in the side, two rails”     Randy    PS Jasen, those two could very well beat us if we aint careful.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 22, 2006 at 9:35:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Don,

Kirsty is actually quite a small girl,..I was surprised that she was 66kg,..we double checked on chemist scales. She must have good muscle mass.

All is well.

Love, Jasen
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2006 2:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

66??? what a hog!!!  Tell her I love her and I have her hand. We can do this, we have done worse and lived. 

Don

Kirk wrote:
Hey Randy,

Kirsty has received your love as have I. Thankyou for your support,..yours and others on the list give Kirsty strength.

Today is the first day without her methadone,..she is calm and relaxed,..it has been 24 hours since her last dose. The time here is 1pm. Kirsty has just gone up to her room to lie down for a while.

She will be having HCL. The first test dose will be 165mg (1/6th of a gram) then we will wait. Kirsty
Weighs 66kg. (Has not been dosed yet)

She’s a cool gal our Kirsty,..our spiritual sis.

Ask as many questions as you like my brother? I love you.

Love, Jasen

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Jasen you are the man. I am so proud to know you. Tell the Captain I said hey and I send my love. Stay in touch with us and let us know how it is going. I swear to God I knew you would end up helping her. I wish I could be there. Let me know if there is anything I can do or tell you to help you out. Let me ask you, are you using Hcl or extract? I want to ask all these questions but I know you have all the bases covered. I am loving this.     Your brother  Randy

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 22, 2006 at 8:40:03 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

66??? what a hog!!!  Tell her I love her and I have her hand. We can do this, we have done worse and lived.

Don

Kirk wrote:
Hey Randy,

Kirsty has received your love as have I. Thankyou for your support,..yours and others on the list give Kirsty strength.

Today is the first day without her methadone,..she is calm and relaxed,..it has been 24 hours since her last dose. The time here is 1pm. Kirsty has just gone up to her room to lie down for a while.

She will be having HCL. The first test dose will be 165mg (1/6th of a gram) then we will wait. Kirsty
Weighs 66kg. (Has not been dosed yet)

She’s a cool gal our Kirsty,..our spiritual sis.

Ask as many questions as you like my brother? I love you.

Love, Jasen

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Jasen you are the man. I am so proud to know you. Tell the Captain I said hey and I send my love. Stay in touch with us and let us know how it is going. I swear to God I knew you would end up helping her. I wish I could be there. Let me know if there is anything I can do or tell you to help you out. Let me ask you, are you using Hcl or extract? I want to ask all these questions but I know you have all the bases covered. I am loving this.     Your brother  Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 22, 2006 at 8:17:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Tink,

Your on, it would be quite funny to see you and the captain standing on
The pool table dropping your pants,…one day,…Mmmm I hope you cant play
really good otherwise it might be me on the pooltable.

As we’re playing pool these students walk in,..3 or 4 girls with what I
thought was a guy pretending to be a girl for a laugh. They walked in and
I’m looking at this guy thinking,..good on ya mate anything for a laugh,..I
look at his shaved legs thinking gee,..he’s got good legs for a guy,..all
the while he is wobbling around in these high heels looking like he’d never
worn heels before.

I look at the chest just to make sure it is a boy and sure enough, a boys
chest,..I look at the football type shorts he has on and think this guys
great, what a laugh. I look at Kirsty and say,”Hey, check this guy out.

I walk over to the bar where they now are, to jokingly say,”hey darling can
I buy you a drink?, with a joking smile on my face and before I say anything
her friend says,with a smile,” I saw you looking at us, have you come over
to say hi,..as she said this, I heard the guy speak to the barman with an
obviously girly voice and I thought f*ck,..IT IS A GIRL,not knowing what to
say to her friend as my comic line was now blown I awkwardly made my way
back to the pool table feeling like a dick saying to Kirsty,”f*ck,..it is a
girl.

That was my awkward moment in NZ.

The final countdown is in progress. It is now 2:12pm and Kirsty is upstairs
resting. Has not been dosed yet.

Love, Jasen

—–Original Message—–
From: tink [mailto:tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2006 4:04 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey Kirkie and Jasen!! I accept your challenge and double it- strip
pool it is !!!
I’ll be there, well….just as soon as I can figure out how to get a
passport legally :]
love to you, and I’ll be sending you all my love and support…
Is it still count down to launch?
10   9   8   7  6….
love tink
HI ZOE!!!!!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 8:08:14 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Always a pleasure to hear from the SSDP. You all are awesome and deserve all the kudos and attention you can get.
Be sure to say hello this weekend Tyler.
Peace and love

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Tyler Case
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

I hope this gets on to the list.  I’ve never done this before.  Anyway, there will in fact be nametags at the Columbia event, which should make things easier.  By the way, I’m Tyler Case from Students for Sensible Drug Policy at Columbia.  I look forward to seeing many of year here this weekend!
Tyler

On 2/22/06, Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
; ) I know, I know… it could be a set-up.  I just remember how frustrating it was after last year’s conference to realize there were “friends” from this list present and accounted for, and no meet and greet.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 22, 2006 at 7:15:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

Kirsty has received your love as have I. Thankyou for your support,..yours and others on the list give Kirsty strength.

Today is the first day without her methadone,..she is calm and relaxed,..it has been 24 hours since her last dose. The time here is 1pm. Kirsty has just gone up to her room to lie down for a while.

She will be having HCL. The first test dose will be 165mg (1/6th of a gram) then we will wait. Kirsty
Weighs 66kg. (Has not been dosed yet)

She’s a cool gal our Kirsty,..our spiritual sis.

Ask as many questions as you like my brother? I love you.

Love, Jasen

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet

Jasen you are the man. I am so proud to know you. Tell the Captain I said hey and I send my love. Stay in touch with us and let us know how it is going. I swear to God I knew you would end up helping her. I wish I could be there. Let me know if there is anything I can do or tell you to help you out. Let me ask you, are you using Hcl or extract? I want to ask all these questions but I know you have all the bases covered. I am loving this.     Your brother  Randy

From: “Tyler Case” <tfc2101@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 5:48:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I hope this gets on to the list.  I’ve never done this before.  Anyway, there will in fact be nametags at the Columbia event, which should make things easier.  By the way, I’m Tyler Case from Students for Sensible Drug Policy at Columbia.  I look forward to seeing many of year here this weekend!
Tyler

On 2/22/06, Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
; ) I know, I know… it could be a set-up.  I just remember how frustrating it was after last year’s conference to realize there were “friends” from this list present and accounted for, and no meet and greet.

From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 2:39:34 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

; ) I know, I know… it could be a set-up.  I just remember how frustrating it was after last year’s conference to realize there were “friends” from this list present and accounted for, and no meet and greet.

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Psych Drugs — Doctors Serve As Middle-Man Pushers
Date: February 22, 2006 at 1:16:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

gah…. i hate this sort of fear mongering. yes, there’s a host of valid reasons to be concerned about the state of the pharmaceutical industry. both the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry are in need of major reforms. not to mention the entire health care industry.

but, it does NOT help to make up problems that don’t exist. for every one study that shows, for example, that an SSRI is “dangerous” or “ineffective” there are hundreds that show that it is safe and effective.

i hate it when people who don’t understand science at all write articles as if they were nobel laureates. things in science are not black and white. this is especially true in medicine, where the vast variability of humans is a major factor. it is not only possible for a drug to be both safe and effective for some people but dangerous and ineffective for others, that is the rule.

articles that talk about the REAL problems with the pharmaceutical industry would be far more helpful in inducing positive change. this sort of article is only successful in inducing misinformation and misguided paranoia.

Preston Peet wrote:
http://www.sierratimes.com/06/02/22/70_224_207_148_29749.htm
Psych Drugs — Doctors Serve As Middle-Man Pushers
Evelyn Pringle
Although peddling psychiatric drugs for off-label treatment of every ailment known to man is highly profitable, it is also illegal. Marketing schemes that increase the rates at which drugs are prescribed for off-label use, result in the sale of drugs that have not been proven safer or superior to FDA approved medications already on the market.
That said, its time to quit blaming the pharmaceutical industry exclusively for off-labeling marketing. The fact remains, that drug makers could not sell their new and relatively untested drugs if not for the doctors who take on the role of middle-man pusher.
Since the arrival of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors antidepressants (SSRIs), and atypical antipsychotics on the market, countless studies have shown the so-called “new generation” of psychiatric drugs to be ineffective and dangerous. But for years, drug companies have successfully manipulated data, suppressed negative studies, and reported only the clinical trials with positive results.
However, by now plenty of warnings have been issued about these drugs, and doctors who continue to prescribe them due to financial incentives from pharma, or because they happen to be approved by the compromised FDA, should not be let off the hook. If it takes a few highly publicized lawsuits against prescribing physicians to knock some sense into these doctors, so be it.
Medical professionals need to start conducting their own research which means doing more than relying on medical journal abstracts on the internet that for the most part, are formatted to report misleading claims without mentioning the contradictory data.
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“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater
Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: [Ibogaine] btw…
Date: February 22, 2006 at 1:05:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

the powers that be at umbc are shutting off this account in a few days. so if any of yous should ever have the need to reach me in the future, you can email me at any of my other addresses:

jon@mindvox.com
jfreed2@umbc.edu
j0n@speakeasy.net
infundibuliform@gmail.com

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 22, 2006 at 1:01:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

tink wrote:
Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome?  The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance

Ropinirole is primarily a dopamine agonist… originally intended to treat Parkinson’s. Now it’s thought to be useful for a few other disorders as well, including restless legs.

Moderate binding to opioid receptors has been shown in vitro (i.e., in tissue samples). What exactly the implications of this might be in humans, as far as I know, are unknown at this point. I wouldn’t expect it to have any signficant opioid effects, but you never know…

I’m on a similar drug, pramipexole (Mirapex), for restless legs and REM movement disorder myself. There have been some reports of pramipexole (and I think ropinirole too) having some anti-depressant activity, and from my experience with pramipexole, I would agree with that.

I’m hoping to study the possible craving-reducing effects of this type of drug sometime in the near future. My idea is that cravings are largely thought to be due to disruptions in the dopamine system that occur after prolonged use of many drugs, so stabilizing the dopamine system should help reduce cravings.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 22, 2006 at 12:51:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve been quiet for a month. Yes I am an ass.

tink wrote:
You really are an ass, aren’t you?

On 2/21/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:

Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list. Not
a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a whorehouse to do
a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try digging in the archives.
Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:
Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want
to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you
please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making
it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please
reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot
of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 22, 2006 at 12:48:52 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/22/06 12:17:37 PM, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome?  The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance
tink

Just go to rxlist.com and search for any approved and sometimes otc medication. Or go to google.com and search for ropinirole package insert or just search for ropinirole which immediately comes up with the manufacturers page.  Too bad the manufacturers web page appears to have technical problems and does not provide a package insert.

You can also try searching pubmed <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi>.

These are all basics for finding out about any drug.

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (STILL OT) Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!
Date: February 22, 2006 at 11:32:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That would be a dream come true.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

will they be attending your dj’ing event/  One can only hope and pray….
lolololololol
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
too frekain’ funny, thanks Tink. I did laugh out loud, really.
I’m still giggling.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

roflmao..lololololololololololol
enjoy
luv tink

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsu <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Vox] muslims on mdma
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Info on ropinirole hcl (requip) for use on RLS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Date: February 22, 2006 at 11:31:53 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone have any info on Requip(ropinirole hcl), a med used for
Restelss Legs Syndrome?  The info I got said something about bonding
to opiod recptors and I’d appreciate any info anyone had on how this
effects your system.
Thanks in advance
tink

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 11:33:06 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

NO, NO NAME TAGS!
;-))
Gotta guess darling.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

Are there going to be name tags this time?  xo rachel

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 11:31:42 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

weeeellll, now I’m not so sure I’m actually dj’ing the whole night- instead of just showing up and covering for V we called the owner and now he’s saying others have been hounding him for a night on the decks- hopefully I’ll get to work part of the night at least, but regardless, I will be meeting you and the other frea…I mean, ibonauts this weekend and am looking forward to it.
peace and love
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

count me in!  always up fpr a freak show ;]
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yes, see you next weekend apparently, although I’m dj’ing Saturday night so
am not sure I’ll be able to attend the bash at Bleeker St.- that said, the
gig is only a few mere blocks from Dana’s so I’m sure everyone attending
will make it out to the burlesque show to see some interesting and fleshy
acts and hear awesome dj’ing after the shin-dig at Dana’s.
Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

didn’t work for me either…didn’t smoke for 5 days the last time, 4
days this time, and now i figure i’ll get to it at some point in the
near future (total freaking cop-out, but at least i’m not shooting
dope.  That’s my excuse and i’m sticking to it…)
how are you doing, any way?
see you next weekend?
love tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ > mind
> in
> nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
> could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I > could
> pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which
> I’ve
> now smoked.
>     Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
> serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
> calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
> Sigh.
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
>
>
> > can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at
> > Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to > > be
> > anywhere I suppose.
> > BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the > > next
> > one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, > > but
> > am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna
> > quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my > > next
> > check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured
> > I’m
> > only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it
> > without
> > them?
> > Grrrr.
> >
> > Peace and love,
> > Preston Peet
> >
> > “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is > > often
> > mistaken for madness”
> > Richard Davenport-Hines
> >
> > ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> > Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient > > Civilizations,
> > Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> > Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> > Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> > Cont. High Times mag/.com
> > Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> > Columnist New York Waste
> > Etc.
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
> > To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
> >
> >
> >>
> >> http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >>
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From: “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:20:39 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Are there going to be name tags this time?  xo rachel

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:15:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

that was to superbee
btw
On 2/22/06, tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
You really are an ass, aren’t you?

On 2/21/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list. Not
a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a whorehouse to do
a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try digging in the archives.
Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:
Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want
to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you
please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making
it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please
reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot
of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:15:02 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You really are an ass, aren’t you?

On 2/21/06, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list. Not
a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a whorehouse to do
a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try digging in the archives.
Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:
Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want
to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you
please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making
it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please
reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot
of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:07:58 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Glad to hear she’s in good loving hands- wish I was there too
love tink

On 2/22/06, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:
Jasen you are the man. I am so proud to know you. Tell the Captain I said
hey and I send my love. Stay in touch with us and let us know how it is
going. I swear to God I knew you would end up helping her. I wish I could be
there. Let me know if there is anything I can do or tell you to help you
out. Let me ask you, are you using Hcl or extract? I want to ask all these
questions but I know you have all the bases covered. I am loving this.
Your brother  Randy

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:03:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Kirkie and Jasen!! I accept your challenge and double it- strip
pool it is !!!
I’ll be there, well….just as soon as I can figure out how to get a
passport legally :]
love to you, and I’ll be sending you all my love and support…
Is it still count down to launch?
10   9   8   7  6….
love tink
HI ZOE!!!!!

On 2/22/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Jasen, glad it’s you there taking her by the hand and leading her onwards. I
care a lot about you both, even never meeting you (weird how that can work
through cyber channels) so do be very careful and attentive and know I’m
thinking very strong, positive thought towards you both.
Peace and love
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey guys,

Well the night before,…Kirsty is a bit teary and a little anxious though not
showing much,..a strong woman our captain. Anxious,..of course,..as I was
before my treatment,..she’ll be sweet,..to be expected. What a cool
gal,..yeaaaah,..you go Kirsty.

Love, Jasen

________________________________

From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 8:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hahahah

Well in some pubs in NZ, there is a rule where if you are beaten at a game
of pool and you have more than 4 balls remaining on the table, you have to
get on the table and drop your trousers in front of the whole pub lol.

Heheh, not quite dammit.

________________________________

From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub
from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —–

From: Preston Peet

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!

You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after
doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.

Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many
suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.

Just to let you know now.

Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–

From: Kirk

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM

Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll

Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements
when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being
shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge
full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.

Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.

TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool,
couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got
a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.

Ok more later

Luff Koiky xxx

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Psych Drugs — Doctors Serve As Middle-Man Pushers
Date: February 22, 2006 at 10:06:30 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.sierratimes.com/06/02/22/70_224_207_148_29749.htm
Psych Drugs — Doctors Serve As Middle-Man Pushers
Evelyn Pringle

Although peddling psychiatric drugs for off-label treatment of every ailment known to man is highly profitable, it is also illegal. Marketing schemes that increase the rates at which drugs are prescribed for off-label use, result in the sale of drugs that have not been proven safer or superior to FDA approved medications already on the market.
That said, its time to quit blaming the pharmaceutical industry exclusively for off-labeling marketing. The fact remains, that drug makers could not sell their new and relatively untested drugs if not for the doctors who take on the role of middle-man pusher.
Since the arrival of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors antidepressants (SSRIs), and atypical antipsychotics on the market, countless studies have shown the so-called “new generation” of psychiatric drugs to be ineffective and dangerous. But for years, drug companies have successfully manipulated data, suppressed negative studies, and reported only the clinical trials with positive results.
However, by now plenty of warnings have been issued about these drugs, and doctors who continue to prescribe them due to financial incentives from pharma, or because they happen to be approved by the compromised FDA, should not be let off the hook. If it takes a few highly publicized lawsuits against prescribing physicians to knock some sense into these doctors, so be it.
Medical professionals need to start conducting their own research which means doing more than relying on medical journal abstracts on the internet that for the most part, are formatted to report misleading claims without mentioning the contradictory data.

snip-
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibogaine/opium
Date: February 22, 2006 at 8:24:51 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you ROCK Pascall, great report, much obliged.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “pascall roland” <pascal-roland@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine/opium

hi to all of you,

I’m back from France/meyaya iboga treatment which was scheduled on 31/01 and 01/02.

My short report is only for info. since I never could find a similar case like mine before to get inspired.

2 nights sessions: iboga root pure + concentrate first night, iboga root/honey + concentrate second night. 3rd night nothing since previous dosis too high, but ignore the percentage.

firs effect in the afteroon after 1/2 hour and big spoon of iboga root : can’t walk straight and get flashes in the eyes.

evening: life gabonese music, some african religious ritual, then iboga root. no puking for both nights except once! so all iboga pure or concentrate remained in my body.

i stopped my last small opium dosis 8 hours before first iboga/1 spoon intake.

no visions, except one image i clearly remember: 1 brown tree leaf with a nice face on it.

i remember vaguely some dream images, but forget whether during day time after first session or during sessions.

first conclusion: considering my daily opium dosis for abt last 2 years, very high, I should have got deep unbearable withdrawal pains leaving you the choice between some drug or suicide.No way between unless being tied up with chains.
these pains did not appear, but a deep weakness, no sleep – even so other say i did sleep sometimes but I do not have this impression. Even til today, the 2-4 hours night sleep + some sleeping pills is not a calming sleep. i never dreamed, now yes.

the deep weakness started to reduce after 1 week, but leg withdrawal pain remained, til date , but daily less.

The main addict centre in Paris knows iboga, heantos from vietnam etc…. they have a positive but someway neutral approach, in the sense that no statistics available.

opium containing 48 alkaloids, the fight against it is uneven, but not lost in advance.

i could/might mail other impressions later,

all the best

P.R.

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!
Date: February 22, 2006 at 9:44:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

will they be attending your dj’ing event/  One can only hope and pray….
lolololololol
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
too frekain’ funny, thanks Tink. I did laugh out loud, really.
I’m still giggling.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

roflmao..lololololololololololol
enjoy
luv tink

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsu <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Vox] muslims on mdma
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 22, 2006 at 9:42:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

count me in!  always up fpr a freak show ;]
tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yes, see you next weekend apparently, although I’m dj’ing Saturday night so
am not sure I’ll be able to attend the bash at Bleeker St.- that said, the
gig is only a few mere blocks from Dana’s so I’m sure everyone attending
will make it out to the burlesque show to see some interesting and fleshy
acts and hear awesome dj’ing after the shin-dig at Dana’s.
Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

didn’t work for me either…didn’t smoke for 5 days the last time, 4
days this time, and now i figure i’ll get to it at some point in the
near future (total freaking cop-out, but at least i’m not shooting
dope.  That’s my excuse and i’m sticking to it…)
how are you doing, any way?
see you next weekend?
love tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind
in
nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could
pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which
I’ve
now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at
Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to be
anywhere I suppose.
BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the next
one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, but
am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna
quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my next
check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured
I’m
only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it
without
them?
Grrrr.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

Patrick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 22, 2006 at 8:26:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen, glad it’s you there taking her by the hand and leading her onwards. I care a lot about you both, even never meeting you (weird how that can work through cyber channels) so do be very careful and attentive and know I’m thinking very strong, positive thought towards you both.
Peace and love
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
“What If”- Bongwater

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hey guys,

Well the night before,…Kirsty is a bit teary and a little anxious though not showing much,..a strong woman our captain. Anxious,..of course,..as I was before my treatment,..she’ll be sweet,..to be expected. What a cool gal,..yeaaaah,..you go Kirsty.

Love, Jasen
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 8:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hahahah
Well in some pubs in NZ, there is a rule where if you are beaten at a game of pool and you have more than 4 balls remaining on the table, you have to get on the table and drop your trousers in front of the whole pub lol.
Heheh, not quite dammit.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

>if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
”What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] “High Hitler” and the joys of gimpy 8ball
Date: February 22, 2006 at 5:35:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/20/06 12:51:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com writes:

I completely iced the last guy I
played, and his idiot redneck buddies couldn’t stop laughing at him
for getting beaten by not only a ‘girl’,

I wish I could have seen that. I swear I wouldn’t have tried to take up for ya this time. You can handle yourself quite well.        Love and bank shots     Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 22, 2006 at 5:15:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/20/06 4:55:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, ekkijdfg@gmx.de writes:

shouldn´t you wait at least two full days or better three after last
intake of methadone for a full dose of ibogain?

The longer the better for sure Ekki, but 24 hours will suffice. I did it that way and have seen others do it that way too. Methadone is so long acting I know for me I just wanted to get started and let what happens happen. This is so cool. Do you realize we are talking all around the world about a treatment that is going to happen in new Zealand? The power of Ibogaine cannot be denied.      Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 22, 2006 at 5:02:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen you are the man. I am so proud to know you. Tell the Captain I said hey and I send my love. Stay in touch with us and let us know how it is going. I swear to God I knew you would end up helping her. I wish I could be there. Let me know if there is anything I can do or tell you to help you out. Let me ask you, are you using Hcl or extract? I want to ask all these questions but I know you have all the bases covered. I am loving this.     Your brother  Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Court Allows Church’s Hallucinogenic Tea (Can Bwiti be far beh…
Date: February 22, 2006 at 4:51:52 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This absolutly rocks. I met one of the guys (name withheld) out in Sante Fe who is a major supporter of this movement,. A cooler dude could not be found. We talked about Ibogaine and he seemed quite interested. At that time he couldn’t do anything but get ready for court and keep what he had going. This guy truly believes in what he is doing. I told him I felt the same way about Ibogaine. The confersation did get around to maybe us starting a Bwiti church. Not him mind you, he is really into Aya and the benefits of it, us, us guys and girls who use Ibogaine to get clean or to get spiritual. The church has allready been established in Europe somewhere for Ibogaine. Lets do this.        Love and self awareness    Randy

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 22, 2006 at 3:49:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Well the night before,…Kirsty is a bit teary and a little anxious though not showing much,..a strong woman our captain. Anxious,..of course,..as I was before my treatment,..she’ll be sweet,..to be expected. What a cool gal,..yeaaaah,..you go Kirsty.

Love, Jasen
From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 8:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hahahah
Well in some pubs in NZ, there is a rule where if you are beaten at a game of pool and you have more than 4 balls remaining on the table, you have to get on the table and drop your trousers in front of the whole pub lol.
Heheh, not quite dammit.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

>if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
”What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 22, 2006 at 3:39:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for reply. Actually I knew it went through. I just made some corrections in that questionnaire and wanted provoke at least some reactions. Repeat the question is the easiest way to get answer. =)

Well, good to know that some statistics exist yet. From Brian I have a lot of contacts that have never been asked how are they doing. Since I want to contact them, I want at least something in hand to ask them for.

———— Původní zpráva ————
Od: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Předmět: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Datum: 21.2.2006 19:44:47
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Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to
put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please
help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more
complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even
just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1.      Name
2.      Gender
3.      Location
4.      Age
5.      Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1.      What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a)      Heroin
b)      Methadone
c)      Subutex
d)      Cocaine
e)      Crack
f)      Benzos
g)      Other, which one(s)

  1.      How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a)      Once and I feel drug free
    b)      More times and I feel drug free
    c)      One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d)      One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2.      How many years have you been using drugs?
    4.      How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5.      Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1.      Where have you been treated?
2.      Where the extract came from?
3.      What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4.      Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5.      Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6.      How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7.      Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8.      Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9.      Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10.     Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11.     Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 22, 2006 at 3:32:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I might go to whorehouse to ask what to ask those reformed prostitutes. Who else would know what is most importatnt and what problems do prostitutes deal with?

———— Původní zpráva ————
Od: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Předmět: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Datum: 21.2.2006 20:43:32
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Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list.
Not a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a
whorehouse to do a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try
digging in the archives. Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:

Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to
put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please
help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more
complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even
just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1.      Name
2.      Gender
3.      Location
4.      Age
5.      Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1.      What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a)      Heroin
b)      Methadone
c)      Subutex
d)      Cocaine
e)      Crack
f)      Benzos
g)      Other, which one(s)

  1.      How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a)      Once and I feel drug free
    b)      More times and I feel drug free
    c)      One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d)      One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2.      How many years have you been using drugs?
    4.      How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5.      Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1.      Where have you been treated?
2.      Where the extract came from?
3.      What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4.      Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5.      Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6.      How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals
started yet?
7.      Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the
treatment?
8.      Have you had strong visions? What kind
(violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9.      Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10.     Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11.     Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: “pascall roland” <pascal-roland@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ibogaine/opium
Date: February 22, 2006 at 12:48:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hi to all of you,

I’m back from France/meyaya iboga treatment which was scheduled on 31/01 and 01/02.

My short report is only for info. since I never could find a similar case like mine before to get inspired.

2 nights sessions: iboga root pure + concentrate first night, iboga root/honey + concentrate second night. 3rd night nothing since previous dosis too high, but ignore the percentage.

firs effect in the afteroon after 1/2 hour and big spoon of iboga root : can’t walk straight and get flashes in the eyes.

evening: life gabonese music, some african religious ritual, then iboga root. no puking for both nights except once! so all iboga pure or concentrate remained in my body.

i stopped my last small opium dosis 8 hours before first iboga/1 spoon intake.

no visions, except one image i clearly remember: 1 brown tree leaf with a nice face on it.

i remember vaguely some dream images, but forget whether during day time after first session or during sessions.

first conclusion: considering my daily opium dosis for abt last 2 years, very high, I should have got deep unbearable withdrawal pains leaving you the choice between some drug or suicide.No way between unless being tied up with chains.
these pains did not appear, but a deep weakness, no sleep – even so other say i did sleep sometimes but I do not have this impression. Even til today, the 2-4 hours night sleep + some sleeping pills is not a calming sleep. i never dreamed, now yes.

the deep weakness started to reduce after 1 week, but leg withdrawal pain remained, til date , but daily less.

The main addict centre in Paris knows iboga, heantos from vietnam etc…. they have a positive but someway neutral approach, in the sense that no statistics available.

opium containing 48 alkaloids, the fight against it is uneven, but not lost in advance.

i could/might mail other impressions later,

all the best

P.R.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Court Allows Church’s Hallucinogenic Tea (Can Bwiti be far behind?)
Date: February 21, 2006 at 11:52:38 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Any lawyers out there who can comment on how hard it would be for
analogous groups to get the same shake from the legal system? I
have heard that the UDV is a very disciplined group of people, and
part of the deal is that the sacrament cannot be diverted to non-
ritual purposes. Also I have heard that the Native American Church,
though legal, still is harassed (for example bulldozing a peyote
farm).

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:01:38 -0800 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Feb 21, 10:42 AM EST
Court Allows Church’s Hallucinogenic Tea

By GINA HOLLAND
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday
that a
small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as
part
of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief
Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out
of
a church’s religious practice. Federal drug agents should have
been
barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based
church,
Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is
considered
sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do
Vegetal,
which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American
traditions.
Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea,
which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

New Justice Samuel Alito did not take part in the case, which was
argued last fall before Justice Sandra Day O’Connor before her
retirement. Alito was on the bench for the first time on Tuesday.

Roberts said that the Bush administration had not met its burden
under a federal religious freedom law to show that it could ban
“the
sect’s sincere religious practice.”

The chief justice had also been skeptical of the government’s
position in the case last fall, suggesting that the
administration
was demanding too much, a “zero tolerance approach.”

The Bush administration had argued that the drug in the tea not
only
violates a federal narcotics law, but a treaty in which the
United
States promised to block the importation of drugs including
dimethyltryptamine, also known as DMT.

“The government did not even submit evidence addressing the
international consequences of granting an exemption for the
(church),” Roberts wrote.

The justices sent the case back to a federal appeals court, which
could consider more evidence.

Roberts, writing his second opinion since joining the court, said
that religious freedom cases can be difficult “but Congress has
determined that courts should strike sensible balances.”

The case is Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao Do
Vegetal, 04-1084.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jasen. She’s sweet
Date: February 21, 2006 at 7:45:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Preston,

Kirsty appreciates your concern for her as do I. She is not getting too many supplements,..most definatley not enough to affect her liver,..what she is having is silymarin ,full spectrum B, Fibroplex plus powder with vitamin C (which is basically a magnesium mineral drink). Later she will also have Kava Kava. I am pushing the water issue. I am now a water pusher.  ; )

My sister is a Naturopath and I had Kirsty email her so my sis could ask her questions,..my sis also works with addictions and has had first hand experience,..drug free for over 10 years. She gave me the supplements to give to Kirsty. I also have very good phone back up from a master in the field.

I may not have that much experience With Ibogaine itself(first hand). However I have a lot of experience in caring and loving unconditionally and being non judgemental regardless of a situation,
I have understanding and first hand knowledge of addictions, she is in good hands my friend.

Having beaten a 23 year addiction myself with thanks to Iboga and Sara I understand whats happening.

We will wait until Kirsty starts to feel uncomfortable and then a little longer,.. whether that is 36 hours or 48 before giving her her first step dose.

My guess is that Kirsty will be receiving her first dose approx 36 hours from now, I will keep you all posted. Your positive messages and thoughts give her strength.

Light a candle for Kirsty and see her getting through this emergence and awakening.

Love Jasen
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 2:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 5:54:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh, down TROUSERS, I get it.
;0-))

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Hahahah
Well in some pubs in NZ, there is a rule where if you are beaten at a game of pool and you have more than 4 balls remaining on the table, you have to get on the table and drop your trousers in front of the whole pub lol.
Heheh, not quite dammit.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

>if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
”What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] link to hallucinogenic tea story
Date: February 21, 2006 at 3:27:53 PM EST
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

So Tim Leary is laughing space, William O’Douglas has gotten his say on the matter and we have a court that actually does respect freedom of religion and a separation of church and state.  🙂

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022100598.html
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Court Allows Church’s Hallucinogenic Tea (Can Bwiti be far behind?)
Date: February 21, 2006 at 4:01:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Feb 21, 10:42 AM EST
Court Allows Church’s Hallucinogenic Tea

By GINA HOLLAND
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that a
small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part
of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief
Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out of
a church’s religious practice. Federal drug agents should have been
barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church,
Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered
sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal,
which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions.
Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea,
which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

New Justice Samuel Alito did not take part in the case, which was
argued last fall before Justice Sandra Day O’Connor before her
retirement. Alito was on the bench for the first time on Tuesday.

Roberts said that the Bush administration had not met its burden
under a federal religious freedom law to show that it could ban “the
sect’s sincere religious practice.”

The chief justice had also been skeptical of the government’s
position in the case last fall, suggesting that the administration
was demanding too much, a “zero tolerance approach.”

The Bush administration had argued that the drug in the tea not only
violates a federal narcotics law, but a treaty in which the United
States promised to block the importation of drugs including
dimethyltryptamine, also known as DMT.

“The government did not even submit evidence addressing the
international consequences of granting an exemption for the
(church),” Roberts wrote.

The justices sent the case back to a federal appeals court, which
could consider more evidence.

Roberts, writing his second opinion since joining the court, said
that religious freedom cases can be difficult “but Congress has
determined that courts should strike sensible balances.”

The case is Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao Do
Vegetal, 04-1084.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 2:55:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hahahah
Well in some pubs in NZ, there is a rule where if you are beaten at a game of pool and you have more than 4 balls remaining on the table, you have to get on the table and drop your trousers in front of the whole pub lol.
Heheh, not quite dammit.
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:44 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

>if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
”What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 2:54:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lol I was probably a wee bit exaggerating Preston….I think Jasen has it under control, seems to know what he’s doing.  He’s always shoving a glass of water under my nose lol
My liver is good, last count was normal and the test for state of virus came back as it wasn’t active.
Thanks HEAPS for the words etc, they’re always appreciated and taken seriously :o)
Hope all is great over yonder!
Koiky xx
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 2:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” 
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 21, 2006 at 2:42:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Uh, just chiming in here. Ibo in itself negates the need for this list. Not a lotta graduates around here, HELLO! You wouldn’t go to a whorehouse to do a study on reformed prostitutes, would ya??? Try digging in the archives. Good idea, bad plan.

Krista Vaughan wrote:
Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind (violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 21, 2006 at 1:44:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Frantisek, this is the second time this has gone through, I think
the mail always works eventually, sometimes it takes an hour or two
when I think it is really crowded.

Mostly I don’t think too many people fill out any of these, there was
a questionairre exactly like this by Udi Bastians, please tell me if
I’m wrong about the name Howard 🙂 and sacrament of transitiion has
one for people who detoxed with them, at least 3 or 4 others, I think
people get bored of filling out the same thing over and over, without
seeing any motivation to keep doing the same thing.

KV

On 2/21/06, František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz> wrote:
It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1.      Name
2.      Gender
3.      Location
4.      Age
5.      Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1.      What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a)      Heroin
b)      Methadone
c)      Subutex
d)      Cocaine
e)      Crack
f)      Benzos
g)      Other, which one(s)

  1.      How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a)      Once and I feel drug free
    b)      More times and I feel drug free
    c)      One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d)      One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2.      How many years have you been using drugs?
    4.      How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5.      Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1.      Where have you been treated?
2.      Where the extract came from?
3.      What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4.      Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5.      Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6.      How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals started yet?
7.      Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the treatment?
8.      Have you had strong visions? What kind (violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9.      Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10.     Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11.     Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: “Tyler Case” <tfc2101@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference updates
Date: February 21, 2006 at 10:29:41 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,

Everything else looks fine.  You can modify the times however you see fit, but keep in mind that we have the lunch space reserved from 1-2.

Tyler

On 2/21/06, HSLotsof@aol.com < HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:
I’ve tried to get the times in for the Ibogaine conference agenda.  They are pretty accurate but, of course change is natural.

http://ibogaine.org/nyc2006.html

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] link to hallucinogenic tea story
Date: February 21, 2006 at 11:31:48 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022100598.html
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] court ok’s hallucinogenic tea
Date: February 21, 2006 at 11:30:46 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t have a link for this but in the interest of recent events and the outright outlandishness of the decision, I feel compelled to pass this on, breaking my steadfast rule to not do this sort of thing usually. But I’m using the excuse that I’m forwarding on an email from Allen at NORML and it’s a way too important story not to do so.
Though I know Jules is just itching to goodheartedly scold me for it.
;-))

C)

-Allen
NORML

Supreme Court OKs Hallucinogenic Tea

By GINA HOLLAND
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that a
small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part of
a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief
Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out of a
church’s religious practice. Federal drug agents should have been
barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church,
Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered
sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal,
which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions.
Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea,
which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

New Justice Samuel Alito did not take part in the case, which was
argued last fall before Justice Sandra Day O’Connor before her
retirement. Alito was on the bench for the first time on Tuesday.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 10:44:12 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him <

this sound vaguely dirty Kirk- what are you talking about?

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Preston Peet
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] btw, an OT note
Date: February 21, 2006 at 9:48:09 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Just thought I’d drop a line to let you all know I’ve finally broken down and created a myspace.com/prestonpeet page. Drop by and take a tour sometime. It’s an interesting concept that myspace thing. Good for advertising and networking I have to admit.

——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 8:36:11 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BE CAREFUL WITH ALL THE SUPPLIMENTS!!!!!
You can SERIOUSLY tax your using liver doing that, and taking ibogaine after doing so was NOT the best idea I personally ever had Kirk.
Show Him This Email, and drink TONS of water if you are eating many suppliments. Flush them, don’t over tax your liver.
Just to let you know now.
Be SAFE please Kirk, I enjoy you being around the list.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 21, 2006 at 8:33:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No Marcus, actually it only helped for a few days, while under the influence, then sorta helped for a few more days after that, but really I’ve been smoking at least a couple fags a day since taking it- still, that’s a LOT better than my normal intake- and V tells me after a brief kiss yesterday that I “smell good,” and I know exactly what she means, having smelled a few heavy smokers and the wafting stale tobacco smell coming off them in clouds. I don’t wanna smell like that, not anymore anyway, so I’m still struggling to keep the intake down. We’ll see how it goes. Unfortunately I’ve been smoking longer than any other vice, and nicotine/whateverelse’they’putintheircigs (watched The Insider at Sara’s, holding a fag in my hand as Crow’s character describes the evil tobacco industry’s tactics to deliver nicotine ever been with their “nicotine delivery systems,” so would really prefer not to be a fucking stat for the corporations shilling their freakin’ death weed to me.
Ah well, one “vice” is better than “many” vices as has been the case for waaaaay tooooo long.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Marcus David” <aktionman@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind
in
nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could
pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which
I’ve
now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

hey preston…….
didn’t the ibo help with the smoking addishun?
marcus

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 21, 2006 at 9:42:25 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yer right Sara, I got even more meals than you mention here actually, considering I was up most nights chowing down while you and the kids were slumbering peacefully, as I was still for most of the time in your home operating on NYC time. Funny enough, now it seems I’m on Amsterdam time, at least in the mornings it seems, going to bed at NYC time (oh, about 4AM after dj’ing again last night- and meeting yet more folk interested in playing and jamming- as you repeatedly said Sara, practice what I love and it’ll attract like energies. Amazing, in that I already knew this but seemed to have forgetten this and so many other things I really know) but getting up on Amsterdam time. Weird.
I think I do mention something about your technique involving “eating and resting” or words to this effect, in the essay though.
And, How could I NOT think so highly of you my friend?
——
“What if I baked you a coconut cake
with lots of nuts, the kind that you hate?
What if I threw your car keys in the lake?
What if I made you cry?
What if I told you lies?
What if I took you to the edge?
What if I pushed you off the ledge?
What if I scratched all your Sister Sledge?
What if I made you cry?
What if I tell you lies?
Would you still love me?
What if I made you get me a Tab,
and made you pay for all of the cabs?
What if I gave you all of my crabs?
What if I laughed when you cried,
then said it was all just a lie?
Would you still love me?
What if I had PMS all my life,
and told you look just like Barney Fife?
What if I twisted it in like a knife
until it made you cry?
Until it made you lie?
Would you still love me?
Would you still love me?
-Bongwater- “The Power of Pussy”

Peace and love,
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor Underground
Editor Under the Influence
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. HighTimes mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

>Thanks preston,

hey, you did get Lunch, dinner and night meals here too.;-)
thanks for thinking so highly of me.

Sara

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<

Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<

Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece
just
now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s
wrong
with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance at
least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole
plant
extract, or something like this.
Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider throwing
up
really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the homepage.
Did
I forget to include a direct link?
Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe you
a
bowl or something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam
redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your
link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there.
So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate
mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”,
junky
(Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill
effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would
suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as
igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and
Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One
of”
imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative.
“enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was
only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma,
this
“Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.”
Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me.
Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m
an
Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do
this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate
argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com
(http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking,
as
you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the
Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use
it
at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an
article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had
to
write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the
Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it
was
way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the
African
root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique,
but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security
of
my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I
figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was
impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone
withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which
contains
all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the
ibogaine
molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of
occasions
to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own
apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its
effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was
subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty
much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after
each
experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same
situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of
space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a
tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love
of
opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction
to
the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over,
without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain
any
strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been
troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Guy Bragge” <guybragge@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 21, 2006 at 7:54:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi everybody, been reading then letters everyday but hav’nt had much to say.
I hope to be doing the ibo thing soon now. Wish me luck.
Guy( in deepest darkest Africa)

—–Original Message—–
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]
Sent: 21 February 2006 13:33
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

WOW, you sound soo different, welcome back!! This was an excellent
piece! We rarely hear from post-ibogainers because support groups
themselves seem so unnecessary after the “Healing” has occurred. Kind of
it’s own testament, of sorts. Post the entire article here, pics and
all, this is MAJOR WORK, and needs to be recognized.You sound GREAT,
dude, you look better and your writing, ahhhh, takes my breath away.
Fantastic!

Preston Peet wrote:

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering

US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<

Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and

iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<

Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the
piece just now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t
know what’s wrong with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never
catching that.
I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance
at least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the
whole plant extract, or something like this.
Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider
throwing up really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the
homepage. Did I forget to include a direct link?
Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe
you a bowl or something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam
redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and
your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I
was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m
gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”,
junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times
to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no
effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking
entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic,
warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or
“to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine
and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23
years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing
morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold
turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you
kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of
the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is
one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as
describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind
telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is”
Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.”
Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed
me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta
know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if
you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a
viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com
(http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m
thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of
Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this
form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m
still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as
well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the
Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it
was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of
the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox
treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving
the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of
kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in
withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way
to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga,
the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally
occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara
uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of
occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in
iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very
impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the
painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to
repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt
rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I
would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very
same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself
any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine
is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the
resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with
the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving
myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength
at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled
with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 21, 2006 at 6:32:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

WOW, you sound soo different, welcome back!! This was an excellent piece! We rarely hear from post-ibogainers because support groups themselves seem so unnecessary after the “Healing” has occurred. Kind of it’s own testament, of sorts. Post the entire article here, pics and all, this is MAJOR WORK, and needs to be recognized.You sound GREAT, dude, you look better and your writing, ahhhh, takes my breath away. Fantastic!

Preston Peet wrote:

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering

US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<

Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and

iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<

Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece just now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s wrong with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance at least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole plant extract, or something like this.
Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider throwing up really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the homepage. Did I forget to include a direct link?
Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe you a bowl or something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”, junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.” Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 6:02:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have a hard time picturing you any clearer than you are already. This is gonna be spooky!!

BTW, I love you.

Kirk wrote:
Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine qustionnaire #2
Date: February 21, 2006 at 4:10:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It probably did not go through first time so this is my second try. I want to put together simple questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts. Could you please help me with that? Any suggestions, ideas, making it simpler, making it more complex would be welcome. If you have ANYTHING to say to it, please reply. Even just to say it sucks or it is good idea. This is my basic plot of it:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from? What daily dosage?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Subutex
d) Cocaine
e) Crack
f) Benzos
g) Other, which one(s)

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. How long did you stay clean after treatment?
    5. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where the extract came from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Have your withdrawals started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind (violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 21, 2006 at 2:47:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks preston,

hey, you did get Lunch, dinner and night meals here too.;-)
thanks for thinking so highly of me.

Sara

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<

Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<

Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece
just
now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s
wrong
with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance at
least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole
plant
extract, or something like this.
Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider throwing
up
really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the homepage.
Did
I forget to include a direct link?
Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe you
a
bowl or something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam
redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your
link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there.
So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate
mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”,
junky
(Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill
effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would
suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as
igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and
Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One
of”
imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative.
“enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was
only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma,
this
“Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.”
Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me.
Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m
an
Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do
this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate
argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com
(http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking,
as
you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the
Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use
it
at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an
article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had
to
write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the
Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it
was
way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the
African
root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique,
but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security
of
my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I
figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was
impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone
withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which
contains
all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the
ibogaine
molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of
occasions
to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own
apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its
effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was
subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty
much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after
each
experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same
situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of
space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a
tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love
of
opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction
to
the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over,
without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain
any
strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been
troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Star Trekkin across the Universe
Date: February 21, 2006 at 1:06:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Always going forwards, cos we can’t find Reverse.

Hi Ya’ aaawwwlllll
Well, the D Day is a looming, Jasen is dosing me up with so many supplements when I walk I rattle and my body is going into shock thru healthy shit being shoved in it, it has no idea what is happening to it, and we have a fridge full of YUMMYYY organic food meat etc.  So, I am in the bestuss hands.
Yool get a day by day full report from Jasen I am sure.
TINK……. You have to meet Jasen just to kick his ass in a game of pool, couldn’t quite swing it last night and if I’d played better I could have got a down-trou in the middle of the pub from him hehehehehe.
Ok more later
Luff Koiky xxx

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] NYC Ibogaine Conference updates
Date: February 21, 2006 at 12:13:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ve tried to get the times in for the Ibogaine conference agenda.  They are pretty accurate but, of course change is natural.

http://ibogaine.org/nyc2006.html

Howard

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:46:24 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering
US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?<

Don, you’re joking right? Obviously the answer is my “agenda.”

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and
iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of
battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my
car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’
house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga
and Ibogaine the same “Substance”?<

Damn good eye, considering I missed this AGAIN when rereading the piece just now, and only caught it when rereading your note. I don’t know what’s wrong with my eyeballs but oh well, better late than never catching that.
I too thought iboga and ibogaine were the same thing or same substance at least, but apparently ibogaine is the molecule and iboga is the whole plant extract, or something like this.
Oh, and I only threw up during one treatment and don’t consider throwing up really an ill effect, more a sideeffect of sorts.
I’m not sure what you meant by the link lead by default to the homepage. Did I forget to include a direct link?
Overall, I’m actually quite serious- thanks for the editing job. I owe you a bowl or something.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”, junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.” Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 20, 2006 at 5:59:54 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL, ok, I gotta go back and fix some stuff, thanks Don, much obliged. Pre-editor…LOL.
Yeah, did that to me last time too.
;-))
Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”, junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.” Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:47:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oops, forgot to stick that .shtm on the end of the link, but it’s ok people going to the home page too.
😉
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”, junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.” Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Sean Hamman <paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] FW: WARNING! This is IMPORTANT!
Date: February 20, 2006 at 7:15:03 PM EST
To: Ibogaine List <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Note: forwarded message attached.

Yahoo! Messenger NEW – crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
From: “Sidney Head” <paganlovejuice@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: WARNING! This is IMPORTANT!
Date: February 20, 2006 at 7:00:40 PM EST
To: Paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk

From: “Dawn Rising” <dawn@nutri-health.co.uk>
To: “Dawn Rising” <dawn@nutri-health.co.uk>
Subject: WARNING! This is IMPORTANT!
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:05:01 -0000

Generally, I hate the warnings that get sent around but I have to admit that this one is important.

Please protect everyone you know by sending this to your entire email list.

If someone comes to your front door and says they are conducting a survey and asks you to show them your bum, do NOT show them your bum. 


This is a scam. They only want to see your bum. 


I wish I’d got this yesterday, I feel so stupid and cheap.

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From: “Krista Vaughan” <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 7:09:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey cutie, I’ll be there, look forward to seeing all of you!

Is there an admission price for columbia or only alex grey’s?

Thank you

KV

On 2/19/06, Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

Patrick

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From: “aktionman” <aktionman@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:17:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

test

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From: “Marcus David” <aktionman@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:15:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind
in
nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could
pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which
I’ve
now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

hey preston…….
didn’t the ibo help with the smoking addishun?
marcus

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 20, 2006 at 5:35:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

VERY NICE work, Preston. AMAZING!

I know people are going to get lost, the extension was missing and your link defaults to the main page, yeah, yeah, two clics later I was there. So I posted this for Ron (tee-heee). Now in a month, I’m gonna get hate mail!

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29.shtm

Tempations,”repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though”, junky (Junkie?), “the same stuff I’d already taken five or six times to no ill effect in my own home.”, (Uh, you DIDN’T throw up?), no effect would suffice. “As Sara explained it to me one day, “taking entheogens such as igoba and ” igoba, you mean Iboga?

“I can only imagine such a setting in the prohibitionistic, warmongering US.” Does “Warmongering” add to your story, plight,or “to your agenda”?

“This is one of the main reason I’m so enthusiastic about ibogaine and iboga- because they’re the only substances I’ve yet found in 23 years of battling drug addiction, ever since first experiencing morphine after my car accident at 16 and subsequently kicked cold turkey in my parents’ house in Florida.” Found to do what? Did you kick Iboga? Aren’t Iboga and Ibogaine the same “Substance”? “One of the main REASON”? Doesn’t “One of” imply plurality? ” mid-wife” is one word. “imperitive” is imperative. “enties” is entities, ” as describe by ” is described by, “or if it was only her own mind telling her this is not important-” needs a comma, this “Is” Important. “so it’s probably for the best I resisted tempation.” Probably best is probably best.

Just pokin’ fun here, been quiet for a month now. I KNOW ya missed me. Didn’t know Ibo could reset you to pre-editor status. I outta know, I’m an Auto Mechanic.Which qualifies me for NOTHING. Just, if you’re gonna do this, do it above average. I wouldn’t show this as a viable debate argument as an eighth grader.

Very nice, very sloppy work.

FIX IT

Don

Preston Peet wrote:

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@NYC.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] more forum updates
Date: February 20, 2006 at 4:40:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ibogaine…Source of Revelation with Lee Albert,  Daniel Pinchbeck and
Awolowo Johnson, moderated by Patrick Kroupa<

Patrick and Daniel together again- this should be very interesting, to say the least.
;-))
And…what’s with the 11AM start time on a SUNDAY!!!!???!!!???
OUCH!

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Dana Beal
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] more forum updates

To: tfc2101@columbia.edu
From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: Forum @ Columbia, COSM
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:

Dan Goldman is trying to get this on the SSDP website–

2006 Ibogaine Forum

Schedule of Events

Saturday, February 25
Columbia University
Lerner Hall @115th Street and Broadway
9am – 6pm Satow Room (5th Floor)
Also room 501
No Charge

Opening Session:

Introduction with Tyler Case &
Rommel Washington

Mid-Morning Session:

“Ibogaine 101” with
Patrick Kroupa and
Jeffrey Kamlet, MD

Break for Lunch

Afternoon Sessions:

Intros by Brian Vastag

Mechanism of Action with Kenneth Alper, MD

Howard Lotsof on Drug Development: Policy and Politics.

Late Afternoon Session:

Political Panel w. Arturo Garcia-Costas, Howard Lotsof, Dana Beal, Allan Clear, Doug Greene, Preston Peet  and Dimitri Mugianis

Additional Details: 1-856-577-2446

Saturday Evening Reception 7:30 pm
Screening of Ibogaine: “Rite of Passage”
a film by Ben De Loenen
PLUS the BBC 1 Documentary “Detox or Die”
@ The Yippie Museum, 9 Bleecker St. ground floor
$20 Contribution optional

Sunday, February 26
Chapel Of Sacred Mirrors
540 West 27th Street, 4th Floor
11am – 7pm  $20

Opening Session:
Ibogaine: The Crucifixion and Resurrection with
The Rev. Ed Stueckle, Paul DeRienzo,
Carl Ruck and Dana Beal
Afternoon Sessions:

Ibogaine…Source of Revelation with Lee Albert,  Daniel Pinchbeck and
Awolowo Johnson, moderated by Patrick Kroupa

Ibogaine and Sacred Art;
Alex Grey with Geerte Frenken,
Aivia Monitto and David Hunter

Closing Session:

Saving the World…One Addict at a Time with Hands-on Ibogaine Providers

Closing Remarks and Summary

Additional Details: 1-212-677-7180

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 2:27:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yes, see you next weekend apparently, although I’m dj’ing Saturday night so am not sure I’ll be able to attend the bash at Bleeker St.- that said, the gig is only a few mere blocks from Dana’s so I’m sure everyone attending will make it out to the burlesque show to see some interesting and fleshy acts and hear awesome dj’ing after the shin-dig at Dana’s.
Peace and love,
Preston
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

didn’t work for me either…didn’t smoke for 5 days the last time, 4
days this time, and now i figure i’ll get to it at some point in the
near future (total freaking cop-out, but at least i’m not shooting
dope.  That’s my excuse and i’m sticking to it…)
how are you doing, any way?
see you next weekend?
love tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind in
nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could
pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which I’ve
now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

> can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at
> Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to be
> anywhere I suppose.
> BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the next
> one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, but
> am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna
> quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my next
> check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured > I’m
> only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it > without
> them?
> Grrrr.
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
>
>
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>> http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html
>>
>> Patrick
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!
Date: February 20, 2006 at 2:31:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

too frekain’ funny, thanks Tink. I did laugh out loud, really.
I’m still giggling.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: “tink” <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!

roflmao..lololololololololololol
enjoy
luv tink

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsu <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Vox] muslims on mdma
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] entheogenic bed and breakfast detox- amsterdam redux
Date: February 20, 2006 at 2:23:12 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Please check out my new essay at DrugWar.com (http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29), which at this point I’m thinking, as you can see by its title, will be the final chapter of Something in the Way- but I’m not entirely sure it’ll stay in this form or if I’ll use it at all or what. I’ve not yet decided. I’m still trying to pitch an article about my Netherlands trip to HT as well, but felt I simply had to write something NOW.
So check it out please.
Have a day all.

http://www.drugwar.com/sitwchap29

Something in the Way-
an excerpt
Chapter 29-
The Entheogenic Bed and Breakfast Detox-
An Amsterdam Redux
by Preston Peet
all photos by Preston Peet
unless otherwise noted
posted at DrugWar.com
Feb. 20, 2006

photographer unknown
“Hey Preston, you can always come here and detox at my home in the Netherlands if you’d like.”
The first time I saw this invite from Sara Glatt in my email box, it was way back in 2000 when I was kicking methadone. I had heard of the African root iboga, which is the mainstay of Sara’s detox treatment technique, but I’d not been interested at all in leaving the safety and security of my home, as I was already in the midst of kicking when she wrote. I figured at that time that I was already in withdrawals and that it was impossible that there would be any way to entirely eradicate methadone withdrawals, not even with iboga, the whole plant extract, which contains all the plant’s naturally occuring chemicals in addition to the ibogaine molecule, that Sara uses to help her guests detox with.
Since that first invite, I’d had the opportunity on a number of occasions to take ibogaine hydrochloride, the active molecule in iboga, in my own apartment in NYC’s Lower East Side. While very impressed with its effectiveness in making any withdrawals from the painkillers I was subsequently having problems with and trying to repeatedly kick pretty much dissipate, and even though I felt rejuvenated and strong after each experience taking ibogaine, I would still be sitting in my same situation, surrounded by the very same stresses and worries and lack of space. I wasn’t giving myself any break whatsoever after such a tumultuous experience as ibogaine is, not to mention my hard-core love of opiate painkillers, and the resulting tolerance and repeated addiction to the same. Dealing with the same situation and tempations over and over, without giving myself any chance to gain a new perspective or to gain any strength at all, I’d revert to the drug abusing behavior I’ve been troubled with for years.
snip-
Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] more forum updates
Date: February 20, 2006 at 2:53:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

To: tfc2101@columbia.edu
From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: Forum @ Columbia, COSM
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:

Dan Goldman is trying to get this on the SSDP website–

2006 Ibogaine Forum

Schedule of Events

Saturday, February 25
Columbia University
Lerner Hall @115th Street and Broadway
9am – 6pm Satow Room (5th Floor)
Also room 501
No Charge

Opening Session:

Introduction with Tyler Case &
Rommel Washington

Mid-Morning Session:

“Ibogaine 101” with
Patrick Kroupa and
Jeffrey Kamlet, MD

Break for Lunch

Afternoon Sessions:

Intros by Brian Vastag

Mechanism of Action with Kenneth Alper, MD

Howard Lotsof on Drug Development: Policy and Politics.

Late Afternoon Session:

Political Panel w. Arturo Garcia-Costas, Howard Lotsof, Dana Beal, Allan Clear, Doug Greene, Preston Peet  and Dimitri Mugianis

Additional Details: 1-856-577-2446

Saturday Evening Reception 7:30 pm
Screening of Ibogaine: “Rite of Passage”
a film by Ben De Loenen
PLUS the BBC 1 Documentary “Detox or Die”
@ The Yippie Museum, 9 Bleecker St. ground floor
$20 Contribution optional

Sunday, February 26
Chapel Of Sacred Mirrors
540 West 27th Street, 4th Floor
11am – 7pm  $20

Opening Session:
Ibogaine: The Crucifixion and Resurrection with
The Rev. Ed Stueckle, Paul DeRienzo,
Carl Ruck and Dana Beal
Afternoon Sessions:

Ibogaine…Source of Revelation with Lee Albert,  Daniel Pinchbeck and
Awolowo Johnson, moderated by Patrick Kroupa

Ibogaine and Sacred Art;
Alex Grey with Geerte Frenken,
Aivia Monitto and David Hunter

Closing Session:

Saving the World…One Addict at a Time with Hands-on Ibogaine Providers

Closing Remarks and Summary

Additional Details: 1-212-677-7180

From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [Vox] muslims on mdma WAY OT!!!!!
Date: February 20, 2006 at 1:08:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

roflmao..lololololololololololol
enjoy
luv tink

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Arsu <parsimonia@gmx.ch>
Date: Feb 19, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: [Vox] muslims on mdma
To: vox@mindvox.com

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] “High Hitler” and the joys of gimpy 8ball
Date: February 20, 2006 at 11:07:08 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How do to all!
I’ve managed to escape this surgery relatively intact, and without
anything more than a couple of darvocet.  (PHEW!!!!!)
would someone please explain to me why it is that doctor’s insist upon
offering opiates in large quantities and great strength the second you
tell them that you DO NOT WANT and CANNOT HAVE THEM???  Disaster
averted, luckily, but sheesh!  I told my doc NO OPIATES and he asks,
“So do you want percocet?”  I said “NO”, and he asks if i want
something stronger.  bastard.  What part of him didn’t get the fact
that they couldn’t find a vein because i had already found them all
years ago?
Trying to ‘take it easy’ has proven to be a much greater challenge.  I
am SOOOO not left handed, but it hasn’t stopped me from doing much,
bar typing and dishes(and laundry, and the catbox, and driving
standard, and shaving my left armpit correctly, and cooking anything
more than soup).  I have been playing pool, and calling it physical
therapy, however.  Nothing like kicking the ass of someone who insists
that they’ll ‘take it easy on me’.  I completely iced the last guy I
played, and his idiot redneck buddies couldn’t stop laughing at him
for getting beaten by not only a ‘girl’, but a one-handed girl.
Anyhooo…I  just love small town america…
I caught this thing on the History Channel about Hitler, his doctor,
and all of the drugs he did.  Very interesting, but predictably
non-specific.  I’m prefering “Destroy All Humans”, long cold walks on
the beach, and ‘battlestar galactica’ to hours of semi informative
propaganda lately, anyhow.  i honestly can’t wait to get back to work.
How strange!
Well, enough out of me for the time being.
love to all
tink

“Once more, they would replenish themselves; cheat death again. The
power of their source, the crystal.”-crystal method(from the dark
crystal)

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 11:00:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

didn’t work for me either…didn’t smoke for 5 days the last time, 4
days this time, and now i figure i’ll get to it at some point in the
near future (total freaking cop-out, but at least i’m not shooting
dope.  That’s my excuse and i’m sticking to it…)
how are you doing, any way?
see you next weekend?
love tink

On 2/20/06, Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind in
nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I
could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could
pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which I’ve
now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m
serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme
calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at
Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to be
anywhere I suppose.
BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the next
one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, but
am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna
quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my next
check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured I’m
only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it without
them?
Grrrr.

Peace and love,
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 9:26:05 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yet, once I’d written that, I realize I was going out of my freakin’ mind in nicotine withdrawals and broke down, scrapped together all the change I could find (still not enough) and went across the street to ask if I could pay a portion and owe a portion towards a pack of smokes, one of which I’ve now smoked.
Egad, what a fucking fucked up addiction smoking tobacco is. I’m serious- I was feeling EXTREMELY angst ridden before, but felt extreme calmness descend as I puffed that fag out in my stairwell.
Sigh.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to be anywhere I suppose.
BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the next one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, but am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my next check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured I’m only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it without them?
Grrrr.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: February 20, 2006 at 10:23:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hip-hip HOOOOOORAY!!
you inspire!
love tink

On 2/19/06, shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello All, it has been one year today since I last did ibogaine, and one
year uninterrupted sobriety off all mood altering stuff!!!! Thanks for being
there, love shelley

Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are
all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the
time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try
to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember
about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through
adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work.
Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After
the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something,
went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three
days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not
concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again
that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour

Paul.

From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST

Paul: Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment. My addiction
specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes,
sometimes
genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another,
any parent
can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
stress of nervous ex-haustion..
Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep,
namely,
head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep
apnea, childhood
abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations. Does your experience
match mine? Dr. Ed

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From: Sarah <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] gals1
Date: June 14, 2005 at 10:42:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, vox@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sarah
tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com

gals1

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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 10:14:56 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All y’all ain’t wrapped right…
love ;]
tink

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 10:38:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Kirk! Good luck ,cant wait to hear how it went, youre in good hands with Jason too! IMO the more youre in withdrawl ,the better the experience inside,Do yall have someone to consult with if the need arises?Any way , I’ll be thinking of you ,love shell

tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com> wrote:
Space…the final frontier…these are the voyages of the starship kirkie!!!
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
candles lit at least 17 hours off schedule…happy trails and email
when you can!!!
love x a bazillion!!
tinkergimp

On 2/20/06, matthew zielinski wrote:
>
>
> About time god dammit!
>
> All the best!!
>
> and i would agree it would be best to go without methadone for as long as
> you can
>
> love
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ekki
> Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:35:16 +0100
>
> Am 19.02.2006 um 23:22 schrieb captkirk:
> >my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
> >ibogaine Thursday evening.
>
> shouldn´t you wait at least two full days or better three after last intake
> of methadone for a full dose of ibogain?
>
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 10:13:38 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Space…the final frontier…these are the voyages of the starship kirkie!!!
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
candles lit at least 17 hours off schedule…happy trails and email
when you can!!!
love x a bazillion!!
tinkergimp

On 2/20/06, matthew zielinski <mattzielinski@hotmail.com> wrote:

About time god dammit!

All the best!!

and i would agree it would be best to go without methadone for as long as
you can

love

matt

________________________________
From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:35:16 +0100

Am 19.02.2006 um 23:22 schrieb captkirk:
my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
ibogaine Thursday evening.

shouldn´t you wait at least two full days or better three after last intake
of methadone for a full dose of ibogain?

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 20, 2006 at 9:23:07 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nick wrote in part >If the voice of feedback mounts up enough, something can move.<

To which I feel compelled to respond in rare agreement with Nick on this point- hence my own continued reading and occasional participation here on the ibo list, even though I often feel I’m wasting my time and energy hanging out here, because despite not always LIKING what I get in reply to what I post, usually whatever is posted in reply inspires me to think from a different perspective about whatever I’m experiencing. Feedback is most beneficial, even for those of us who like to think of ourselves as unique or loners say.

I for one will happily slag him off left, right and centre if I think this will draw him closer to himself.<

LOL! Really Nick?
;-)))
(Couldn’t help myself here. This was too rich.)

I’m not so busy with how ibogaine looks. That to me is a secondary concern.<

Again rare but emphatic agreement on my part with Nick! (Amazing.)
I personally feel it’s the same for the entire war on some drugs and users- if we continue to buckle under to the prohibitionists and frame all our conversations in “nice” and PC terms, we’re never going to get anywhere with finishing their evil freakin’ war.
The point to ibogaine and eboga to ME is to help people get out from under whatever self-destructive substance (and even perhaps some psychological) habits and to garner fresh perspective on life etc.- NOT to look good to those who may be able to legalize it FOR US. If we waste all our time on that sort of pursuit, we’re never going to get anywhere. The point is to help our fellow addicts and human beings, not to be “nice” to everyone so as not to give ammo to the other side. We’re already compromised in their eyes as it is, so screw being nice…wellllll, I don’t mean never be nice, just that this is waaaaaay too important an issue to worry about what THEY might think of us over some outburst or snippy comments.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Nick Sandberg
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences

—–Original Message—–
From: Andrea Plementos [mailto:aplementos@yahoo.com]
Sent: 18 February 2006 14:47
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences

I’m sorry, but discussing someone’s personal life on a huge mailing list, especially when they are not here to defend themselvess, is very rude and highly unprofessional.  Quite frankly, I am surprised to see providers ripping on each other, especially in a public forum.  Isn’t this the same type of behaviour that garnered Mash some criticism?  Shouldn’t we be trying to support one another?

I have dealt with Karl in the past, and found him to be very friendly and reliable.  I do not know anything about his personal life, and even if I did, I would not be broadcasting it to a group of 5000+ people.  This is the kind of behaviour that keeps Ibogaine from being taken seriously by a larger group of people.

Andrea,

If you believe that, well, I really must introduce you to some guys I know in the Canaries who sell time-share! (ie. you will believe anything) The world is as it is, and believing that if we all behave nicely then everything will be wonderfull is pure bollocks. Besides, this is hardly the NE Journal of Medicine. It’s a discussion group. I haven’t seen Carl in a good 5 years and would love to see him again. I feel no ill will towards him. However, he does talk some of the highest grade new age bullshit you will ever hear, and cobbles together all sorts of deranged theories about healing, most of which involve “his extract” which he has created by this highly secret process, too secret to tell anybody else, you know. (You never know who might be listening!) From how he was 5 years ago, the guy is about as far away from being professional as can be imagined, not that that is necessarily a bad thing. As a treater of addiction, I would have thought that about the biggest thing he might bring in is the realization in the addict “Shit I thought I was fucked up!”

Aside of the professional thing, you also have to see the Encounter side, and peer group pressure. Carl needs to look at himself. I can’t imagine there’s anyone who knows him out there who would disagree with this. You have to close him off a bit and let him listen to the people who are close to him. If the voice of feedback mounts up enough, something can move. I for one will happily slag him off left, right and centre if I think this will draw him closer to himself. I’m not so busy with how ibogaine looks. That to me is a secondary concern.

But, anyway, where is Carl! Surely there must be some sightings. A friend of mine met some iboga people at this year’s Hallungen fest in Sweden. One sounded like Brian and the other he said claimed to be “a Swedish professor.” Said he was very wired, but had a good heart. He couldn’t remember the guy’s name. Shame

Nick

Sara wrote:
That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.


I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 9:11:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

About time god dammit!
All the best!!
and i would agree it would be best to go without methadone for as long as you can
love
matt

 

From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:35:16 +0100

Am 19.02.2006 um 23:22 schrieb captkirk:
>my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
>ibogaine Thursday evening.

shouldnīt you wait at least two full days or better three after last intake of methadone for a full dose of ibogain?

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 20, 2006 at 8:48:38 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—–Original Message—–
From: Andrea Plementos [mailto:aplementos@yahoo.com]
Sent: 18 February 2006 14:47
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences

I’m sorry, but discussing someone’s personal life on a huge mailing list, especially when they are not here to defend themselvess, is very rude and highly unprofessional.  Quite frankly, I am surprised to see providers ripping on each other, especially in a public forum.  Isn’t this the same type of behaviour that garnered Mash some criticism?  Shouldn’t we be trying to support one another?

I have dealt with Karl in the past, and found him to be very friendly and reliable.  I do not know anything about his personal life, and even if I did, I would not be broadcasting it to a group of 5000+ people.  This is the kind of behaviour that keeps Ibogaine from being taken seriously by a larger group of people.

Andrea,

If you believe that, well, I really must introduce you to some guys I know in the Canaries who sell time-share! (ie. you will believe anything) The world is as it is, and believing that if we all behave nicely then everything will be wonderfull is pure bollocks. Besides, this is hardly the NE Journal of Medicine. It’s a discussion group. I haven’t seen Carl in a good 5 years and would love to see him again. I feel no ill will towards him. However, he does talk some of the highest grade new age bullshit you will ever hear, and cobbles together all sorts of deranged theories about healing, most of which involve “his extract” which he has created by this highly secret process, too secret to tell anybody else, you know. (You never know who might be listening!) From how he was 5 years ago, the guy is about as far away from being professional as can be imagined, not that that is necessarily a bad thing. As a treater of addiction, I would have thought that about the biggest thing he might bring in is the realization in the addict “Shit I thought I was fucked up!”

Aside of the professional thing, you also have to see the Encounter side, and peer group pressure. Carl needs to look at himself. I can’t imagine there’s anyone who knows him out there who would disagree with this. You have to close him off a bit and let him listen to the people who are close to him. If the voice of feedback mounts up enough, something can move. I for one will happily slag him off left, right and centre if I think this will draw him closer to himself. I’m not so busy with how ibogaine looks. That to me is a secondary concern.

But, anyway, where is Carl! Surely there must be some sightings. A friend of mine met some iboga people at this year’s Hallungen fest in Sweden. One sounded like Brian and the other he said claimed to be “a Swedish professor.” Said he was very wired, but had a good heart. He couldn’t remember the guy’s name. Shame

Nick

Sara wrote:
>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.

>…
>I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
>and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine questionary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 8:15:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As I stated before, I want to collect contacts to as many Ibogaine treated addicts as possible.
Since none of you sent me any, I started collecting it my way.
Now I need to create a little qustionary, which I hope they will be willing to fill-in.
May you please help me to state it well and have all important questions collected?
All your comments and suggestions are welcome. Here is my basic plot:

Questionnaire for Ibogaine treated addicts

Introduction:
1. Name
2. Gender
3. Location
4. Age
5. Where did you first hear about Ibogaine?

Basic drug related questions:
1. What drug were you treated from?
a) Heroin
b) Methadone
c) Cocaine
d) Crack
e) Bensons
f) Other, which one

  1. How many times have you done Ibogaine?
    a) Once and I feel drug free
    b) More times and I feel drug free
    c) One or more times, Ibogaine helps, but I’m still addicted
    d) One or more times, but it didn’t help me treat addiction
  2. How many years have you been using drugs?
    4. Did you try other types of treatments? Which ones?

Describe your last treatment
1. Where have you been treated?
2. Where did the extract come from?
3. What overall dosage have you been treated with (mg/kg)?
4. Were you treated in more low doses or one large?
5. Were you switched to different drug before treatment? What drug?
6. How long have you been clean before application? Had your withdrawals started yet?
7. Have you suffered pain, vomiting, unconsciousness or else while the treatment?
8. Have you had strong visions? What kind (violent/frightening/lecturing/pleasant)?
9. Did you have withdrawals while the Ibogaine experience? How strong?
10. Did you have withdrawals after the treatment? How strong?
11. Did you have some aftercare? What kind?

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 20, 2006 at 7:31:17 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

can anyone tell me if I’m on a Saturday or Sunday panel, and if I’m at Colombia or COSM? Hate to say it but I’d PREFER COSM, but am game to be anywhere I suppose.
BTW, I “quit” smoking last week. The first day I had one butt, the next one, the next four, yesterday two and a half, and so far today none, but am craving hard and miserably aggressive. I guess I don’t REALLY wanna quit but must as I’m flat fucking broke and haven’t a clue when my next check is arriving. I tried patches for the first two days but figured I’m only gonna have to kick those too, so why not just freakin’ do it without them?
Grrrr.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

Patrick

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 7:26:59 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

best to you Kirsty.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “captkirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.

Tick tock,
Jasen C should right about now be on a plane to Dunedin, NZ,
then my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
ibogaine Thursday evening.  Any thoughts n energies will be
greatly appreciated :o)
scared shitless, but I guess that’s pretty normal when
facing the great unknown and change.
WTG Shelley, I look forward to the day I can send that
email, one year today.
Luv to all
Kirsty xxx

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine synthetisation
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:39:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

IC, thank you. If you don’t mind, please send me those files on fanyz@seznam.cz

———— Původní zpráva ————
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Předmět: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine synthetisation
Datum: 20.2.2006 12:35:31
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Am 20.02.2006 um 12:04 schrieb František Hrdý:

Hi all again,
have anyone of you heard about Ibogaine synthetisation?
yes, there are about 15 known ways to synthesize ibogaine. Buechi et
al. was 1st in 1966. if you are interested i can send you two related pdf files, they are 2,5 MB together

Is it possible? Wouldn’t it be easiest way to obtain pure, well
working Ibogaine?
no, total synthesis is complex and expensive and requires the
separation of stereoisomers.
if there would be a market for very large amounts of ibogaine, then
synthesis would make sense

fanyz

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine synthetisation
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:34:28 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 20.02.2006 um 12:04 schrieb František Hrdý:

Hi all again,
have anyone of you heard about Ibogaine synthetisation?
yes, there are about 15 known ways to synthesize ibogaine. Buechi et al. was 1st in 1966. if you are interested i can send you two related pdf files, they are 2,5 MB together

Is it possible? Wouldn’t it be easiest way to obtain pure, well working Ibogaine?
no, total synthesis is complex and expensive and requires the separation of stereoisomers.
if there would be a market for very large amounts of ibogaine, then synthesis would make sense

fanyz

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From: František Hrdý <fanyz@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine synthetisation
Date: February 20, 2006 at 6:04:15 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all again,
have anyone of you heard about Ibogaine synthetisation?
Is it possible? Wouldn’t it be easiest way to obtain pure, well working Ibogaine?

fanyz

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From: ekki <ekkijdfg@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 20, 2006 at 4:35:16 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Am 19.02.2006 um 23:22 schrieb captkirk:
my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
ibogaine Thursday evening.

shouldn´t you wait at least two full days or better three after last intake of methadone for a full dose of ibogain?

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]one year today!Yeaaaah
Date: February 20, 2006 at 12:37:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Shelley,

One year today since you did Ibo,..you rock girl. Congratulations.

Love Jasen
From: shelley krupa [mailto:skrupa20022002@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2006 4:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!

Hello All, it has been one year today since I last did ibogaine, and one year uninterrupted sobriety off all mood altering stuff!!!! Thanks for being there, love shelley

Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are 
all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the 
time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try 
to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember 
about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through 
adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work. 
Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After 
the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something, 
went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three 
days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not 
concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again 
that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour

Paul.


>From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST
>
>Paul: Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment. My addiction
>specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes, 
>sometimes
>genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another, 
>any parent
>can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
>stress of nervous ex-haustion..
>Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep, 
>namely,
>head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
>encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep 
>apnea, childhood
>abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations. Does your experience
>match mine? Dr. Ed

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Slightly Revised Ibogaine Conference Itinerary
Date: February 19, 2006 at 8:33:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/2006Columbia-COSM.html

Patrick

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From: captkirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 19, 2006 at 5:39:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No Ibogaine is legal in Aussie, but Jasen lives there and is
very generously coming over the assist me during the
journey.  He’s staying for about 10 days.  I just couldn’t
afford to get over the ditch!
The Rite of Passage DVD is currently with the local Drug and
Alcohol centre doing the rounds of the counsellors/doctor
and psychiatrists lol I’m going to call in to get it this
week and see what they thought of it.
Kirk

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You can do Ibo legally in New Zealand, and not Australia?
Interesting. We have an affiliate in Dunedin. I don’t know
how turned   on they are to ibogaine.

Dunedin: Abe Gray graab419@student.otago.ac.nz

Dana/cnw

On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:22 PM, captkirk wrote:

Tick tock,
Jasen C should right about now be on a plane to Dunedin,
NZ, then my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and
starting ibogaine Thursday evening.  Any thoughts n
energies will be greatly appreciated :o)
scared shitless, but I guess that’s pretty normal when
facing the great unknown and change.
WTG Shelley, I look forward to the day I can send that
email, one year today.
Luv to all
Kirsty xxx

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From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 19, 2006 at 5:30:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can do Ibo legally in New Zealand, and not Australia? Interesting. We have an affiliate in Dunedin. I don’t know how turned on they are to ibogaine.

Dunedin: Abe Gray graab419@student.otago.ac.nz

Dana/cnw

On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:22 PM, captkirk wrote:

Tick tock,
Jasen C should right about now be on a plane to Dunedin, NZ,
then my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
ibogaine Thursday evening.  Any thoughts n energies will be
greatly appreciated :o)
scared shitless, but I guess that’s pretty normal when
facing the great unknown and change.
WTG Shelley, I look forward to the day I can send that
email, one year today.
Luv to all
Kirsty xxx

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From: captkirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Final Countdown.
Date: February 19, 2006 at 5:22:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Tick tock,
Jasen C should right about now be on a plane to Dunedin, NZ,
then my last dose will be Wednesday morning, and starting
ibogaine Thursday evening.  Any thoughts n energies will be
greatly appreciated :o)
scared shitless, but I guess that’s pretty normal when
facing the great unknown and change.
WTG Shelley, I look forward to the day I can send that
email, one year today.
Luv to all
Kirsty xxx

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?
Date: February 19, 2006 at 5:13:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:10:44 -0800 grasshopper <rwd3@cox.net>
wrote:
as a 1 timer, I found the thing I needed most was rest for many
weeks which
I didn’t get.  4 days and I was back on Bup just to walk.  Being
the
neophyte to this, I was not informed that I would feel like shite
for a
loooooong time.  MY bad for not doing homework?  ron

Reactions vary. Two weeks to recover and think is a good rule of
thumb, especially for those over 40 and taking it for the first
time.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

My understanding is that an ibogaine experience is not a
solution in and
of itself.  It suspends cravings and physical addiction for
windows up to
three months?  During this time I would think it would be ideal
to get
some cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component
(I’m
biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment in

addition
to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher chance of
not
relapsing.

Any comments?

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?
Date: February 19, 2006 at 5:04:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:06 -0800 Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
During this time I would think it would be ideal to get some
cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component (I’m
biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment
in addition to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher
chance of not relapsing.<

Um, just to say, I personally HATE counceling, even though I was
going a few times there back in January. I found it very
expensive,
completely worthless and contrary to anything I felt I needed to
get
myself back to where I felt I needed to be- off the hard stuff and

working hard.
;-0))

I think therapy only makes sense if one wants to consider changing
one’s personality. Some ways down that road this can mean not
relying on well-developed strengths as a sole identity, since they
can’t meet all one’s needs and can even contribute to starving the
weaker parts.

Here’s something I wrote about an ibogaine experience that turned
me strongly toward therapy:

It was as if I had awoken in a hospital bed, and noticed a
patient lying unconscious in the adjacent bed, barely gasping
through a tube – a piece of live meat. I could only see the body
cast, hear the harsh suck of air, imagine the damage. But between

me and this gory companion, I understood at last that this
hospital room was the vessel containing all of myself.

Up until then I had felt incomplete. Since then I have been working
to look at the same scene without making it into a metaphor or a
story.

Aside from therapy, a dopamine-lowering antipsychotic, risperidone,
seems to be helping, and I think such drugs might be generally
useful for people who get into really intense images as I do. (It
needs to be started in very low doses to avoid feeling too flat,
like .5 mg at night, in contrast to a few milligrams – see
Erowid.org for examples of how not to do it.)

More below..

But this is JUST FOR ME I speak. Can’t really say how effective or

not
counceling might be for someone else, but personally I can’t stand

the
stuff, feeling I already know what I want and need and don’t need
to bounce
my crap off some guy who is just biding his time for me to pay him

each
week.

An interesting book about a classic silent-therapist therapy is The
Words to Say It, by Marie Cardinal (the patient). Nowadays I think
therapists may be more likely to engage, but it remains on their
terms 🙂

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is

often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

as a 1 timer, I found the thing I needed most was rest for many
weeks
which I didn’t get.  4 days and I was back on Bup just to walk.

Being the
neophyte to this, I was not informed that I would feel like
shite for a
loooooong time.  MY bad for not doing homework?  ron
—– Original Message —–
From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

My understanding is that an ibogaine experience is not a
solution in and
of itself.  It suspends cravings and physical addiction for
windows up to
three months?  During this time I would think it would be ideal

to get
some cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component
(I’m
biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment
in addition
to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher chance of
not
relapsing.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: February 19, 2006 at 2:13:53 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

likewise, heartfelt congrats. my girlfriend is still accusing me of doing cocaine, second (recent) time now she’s been adament I’ve been doing cocaine when I’ve not been. guess it’s my fucking karma.
Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: matthew zielinski
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!

CONGRATULATIONS SHELLEY!!!!!
I’M SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!…KEEP IT UP!
LOVE
matt

 

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:54:37 -0800 (PST)

Hello All, it has been one year today since I last did ibogaine, and one year uninterrupted sobriety off all mood altering stuff!!!! Thanks for being there, love shelley

Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are
all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the
time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try
to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember
about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through
adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work.
Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After
the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something,
went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three
days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not
concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again
that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour

Paul.

>From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST
>
>Paul: Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment. My addiction
>specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes,
>sometimes
>genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another,
>any parent
>can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
>stress of nervous ex-haustion..
>Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep,
>namely,
>head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
>encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep
>apnea, childhood
>abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations. Does your experience
>match mine? Dr. Ed

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: February 19, 2006 at 1:18:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

CONGRATULATIONS SHELLEY!!!!!
I’M SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!…KEEP IT UP!
LOVE
matt

 

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:54:37 -0800 (PST)

Hello All, it has been one year today since I last did ibogaine, and one year uninterrupted sobriety off all mood altering stuff!!!! Thanks for being there, love shelley

Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are
all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the
time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try
to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember
about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through
adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work.
Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After
the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something,
went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three
days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not
concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again
that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour

Paul.

>From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST
>
>Paul: Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment. My addiction
>specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes,
>sometimes
>genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another,
>any parent
>can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
>stress of nervous ex-haustion..
>Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep,
>namely,
>head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
>encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep
>apnea, childhood
>abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations. Does your experience
>match mine? Dr. Ed

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?
Date: February 19, 2006 at 11:54:06 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

During this time I would think it would be ideal to get some cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component (I’m biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment in addition to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher chance of not relapsing.<

Um, just to say, I personally HATE counceling, even though I was going a few times there back in January. I found it very expensive, completely worthless and contrary to anything I felt I needed to get myself back to where I felt I needed to be- off the hard stuff and working hard.
;-0))
But this is JUST FOR ME I speak. Can’t really say how effective or not counceling might be for someone else, but personally I can’t stand the stuff, feeling I already know what I want and need and don’t need to bounce my crap off some guy who is just biding his time for me to pay him each week.

Peace and love,
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To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

as a 1 timer, I found the thing I needed most was rest for many weeks which I didn’t get.  4 days and I was back on Bup just to walk.  Being the neophyte to this, I was not informed that I would feel like shite for a loooooong time.  MY bad for not doing homework?  ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

My understanding is that an ibogaine experience is not a solution in and of itself.  It suspends cravings and physical addiction for windows up to three months?  During this time I would think it would be ideal to get some cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component (I’m biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment in addition to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher chance of not relapsing.

Any comments?

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine & Anti-Depressants
Date: February 19, 2006 at 11:33:52 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no luck w/ my 1 IBO session on getting off benzos.  I was doing 10 mg xanex and 2 30mg Dalmane.  I was so worried about the effects of Ibo on Benzos, that it took away from the session.  Sara seems to have luck w/ her special blend.  I did the HCL and was treated well.  Wish I could have gotten the benzo use down presession.  I say, IMHO which is not rat tested, deal with one at a time.  Or spend 3 weeks w/ the Angel of Mercy.
—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine & Anti-Depressants

Hi Charles,

The reason it’s advisable to wait so long is, as you say, the serotnergic effects of effexor can last up to 14 days after stopping it. Mixing ibogaine and an SSRI like effexor can result in what’s called serotonin syndrome. Basically, having too much serotonin. The effects of serotonin syndrome include drowsiness, disorientation, clumsiness, dizziness, sweating, seizures, coma, and death.

If someone is actively suicidal, I would probably recommend against ibogaine treatment. Get them a bit more stable first.

You’re right that you shouldn’t suddenly discontinue an SSRI; the person should be tapered down over a period of a few weeks or so.

Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, if someone is actively suicidal you probably shouldn’t try to get them to stop using right then. I mean, unless the drugs are posing a greater risk than their sucidality, I would deal with the suicidal feelings first, and then try to treat the drug problem.

Charles Rossouw wrote:
Hi Jon

Why stop so long before Ibogaine.  Does it interfere with cytochrome system
whereby Ibogaine in metabolised in the liver?  Also, Efexor’s effect on
Serotonin levels (As an SSRI) last about 10 to 14 days, and if I’m not
mistaken, gets to action much quicker when starting treatment with Efexor.
Three weeks seems a bit long before Ibogaine, especially if a person has a
history of suicidal tendancies.  Should one not balance the risk of suicidal
depression with the possible interaction consequences, and administer
Ibogaine the moment one feels that a depro is setting in (After
discontinuing Efexor)? My experience also shows that, in some instances,
people tend to feel a bit depressed immediately following the Ibogaine
experience, and mood swings may occur for a day or longer, which may add to
the effect of sudden disconuation of the SSRI.  After a few days they
usually become quite euphoric and the danger time is gone.  But during this
critical period after Ibogaine they need all the support and undertanding to
help the depro.

What are your thoughts?

Charles

—–Original Message—–
From: jon [mailto:jfreed1@umbc.edu]
Sent: 01 February 2006 09:41 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine & Anti-Depressants

Clare S. Wilkins wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have done Ibogaine – it changed my life – years of heroin abuse and
methadone addiction are now firmly behind me. Yay!
My question, though, is on behalf of a friend (who is already off
heroin) who wants to get off his Effexor and Klonipin.
Has anyone here used Ibogaine to get off anti-depressants, and what was
your experience? Any links or readings on this particular subject will
be greatly appreciated.

Is this person just worried about withdrawal from effexor, or does he
actually feel dependent on it?

I ask because he should stop taking effexor at least a couple weeks
before taking ibogaine, preferably at least three weeks, so any
withdrawals would be over by the time he took the ibogaine. Mixing
ibogaine and SSRIs like effexor could result in some serious interaction
effects, including seizures, coma, and death.

I’ve never heard of anyone who was actually dependent on effexor, but
then, weirder things have happened. In theory, ibogaine might help with
such a situation, but your friend would be venturing into uncharted waters.

As for klonopin, I don’t believe ibogaine has an especially great track
record of helping people with benzo dependence, at least compared to
opiates, but I should think ibogaine would be better for treating benzo
dependence than it would be for treating effexor dependence. Remember
though, your friend should taper his dose of klonopin rather than
stopping it abruptly, especially if he is taking large doses or has been
using it for a long time. Benzo withdrawal isn’t as dangerous as alcohol
or barbiturate withdrawal, but it is more dangerous than opiate
withdrawal, and the occasional death has been reported.

Hope this helps,

jon

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 19, 2006 at 11:32:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PLEASE, lets keep it that way…

grasshopper wrote:

Arrrr  there’s a KLOWN a wanting to get in on this acshun, but alas, he be dead..so sad!
—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences

Carl used to post here a lot but I haven’t seen anything from him since
around 2002 and most of that was either interesting messages or arguing
with Nick 😉

The rest of what you’re writing means what? Peeps argue here, they
always have, always will. Alot of the peeps who do most of the arguing
are the providers 😉 If you are concerned about the image ibogaine has
in the outside world, you may want to consider what effect someone who
is a music teacher or student or whatever you are, dosing addicts with
psychedelics may have. Probably doesn’t help much either 😉

Pot, meet kettle 🙂

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sara wrote:

>>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
>>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
> he
>>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
>>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
>>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
>>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is?  The comments
about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible enough to
‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
look bad.  In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.

This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
Ibogaine.  That, and that alone, is my point.

I rest my case.

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From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]one year today!
Date: February 19, 2006 at 10:54:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello All, it has been one year today since I last did ibogaine, and one year uninterrupted sobriety off all mood altering stuff!!!! Thanks for being there, love shelley

Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are
all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the
time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try
to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember
about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through
adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work.
Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After
the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something,
went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three
days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not
concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again
that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour

Paul.

>From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
>Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST
>
>Paul: Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment. My addiction
>specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes,
>sometimes
>genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another,
>any parent
>can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
>stress of nervous ex-haustion..
>Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep,
>namely,
>head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
>encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep
>apnea, childhood
>abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations. Does your experience
>match mine? Dr. Ed

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 19, 2006 at 11:25:03 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Not being a journey man in Ibo sessions…1 under my belt, I can say that anything that lessens the pain of w/d’s  gives me a better chance of success a far as the other aspects of addiction go. This wimp, after 40 yrs of use, most withdrawals now that i think back, is terrified of opiate withdrawal symptoms, especially when I’ve conned me self into a high powered, thinking man’s job.  I need another session and 3 weeks off to eat and hydrate.  No way as a beleaguered public defender w/ 135 clients every 5 weeks. Someone kick me, pleeeeze.  ron
—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

errr… i mean, to treat drug addiction WITH a drug…

jon wrote:
ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:

Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?
Date: February 19, 2006 at 11:10:44 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

as a 1 timer, I found the thing I needed most was rest for many weeks which I didn’t get.  4 days and I was back on Bup just to walk.  Being the neophyte to this, I was not informed that I would feel like shite for a loooooong time.  MY bad for not doing homework?  ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] therapy with the therapy?

My understanding is that an ibogaine experience is not a solution in and of itself.  It suspends cravings and physical addiction for windows up to three months?  During this time I would think it would be ideal to get some cognitive therapy, perhaps with some abreactive component (I’m biased).  I’d think that people who engaged in such treatment in addition to the ibogaine treatment woulld stand a much higher chance of not relapsing.

Any comments?

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
Date: February 18, 2006 at 11:42:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul wrote:
Well yes ed,
Right on the nose mate right on the nose
Not to put to much of my self out in the public face, but my memories are all bad ones.
Childhood ones that is.
Not so much of a problem of sleeping as, more like trying to fit in all the time. Like I was a jigsaw piece in the wrong box, and no matter how you try to put it together it never fits. If I look back I can only realy remember about 2 real early memories, one a little later and about five through adolecence to 15 and a bit years then I remember going to sea to work. Meningitus in adolecence and a 18 hour oporation. Come to think of it. After the op, everything seems to go down hill.
I remeber awaking after surgery in extreme pain, and was given something, went strate out again. When I did come too, I cryed on and off for three days. It felt as if my body could remeber the pain even though I was not concious at the time of the oporation. I still get body memory now and again that fatigues me.
Strength Power and Honour
Paul.

From: Edfriedrichs@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:09:28 EST

Paul:  Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment.  My addiction
specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes, sometimes
genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another, any parent
can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the
stress of nervous ex-haustion..
Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep, namely,
head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral
encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep apnea, childhood
abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations.  Does your experience
match mine?  Dr. Ed

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Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
Date: February 18, 2006 at 10:09:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Paul:  Fits my concern re hereditary Sleep Impairment.  My addiction specialty sensitized me to PRE-abuse sleep impairment of many causes, sometimes genetic, because infants’ sleep so differently one sibling from another, any parent can testify, leading to a predisposition to addiction, simply to soothe the stress of nervous ex-haustion..
Other childhood causes seemed to me to create chronic impaired sleep, namely, head injuries, chronic illnesses such as asthma, etc., subtle viral encephalitis never even diagnosed accurately, surgery, adenoidal sleep apnea, childhood abuse, of course, and unstable domestic situations.  Does your experience match mine?  Dr. Ed

From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] New Subject: Being Born Addicted to Opiates!!
Date: February 18, 2006 at 9:40:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hello all,
Reading about Ibogaine and it’s properties to enable one to connect with genetic ancestry, brought me to wonder this scenario.
Being conceived whilst both parents are addicted to Heroin. The mother not giving up the habit, but carries the child right through from conception, gestation and birth.
The child is then removed from the mother, has no contact as such with her( doesn’t live with her or the father at all and only knows the mother before precognition, first conscious memory) but lives in care homes and with foster parents. The child has what can be described as an average upbringing.
Struggles all of there adolescence with a feeling of being different, in some way. Leaves home and starts to drink. Then discovers opiates, and becomes addicted themselves. Coincidence or is there more to the situation than meets the eye.
I would be very interested in, feedback on this predisposition.
Do you feel as I do that the child got a bum start. Is there any research been done, studies of families, addicted, parted children, come to same conclusion.
Or does the subject require more in-depth study.
I am not saying that all addicts of opiates are born with this predisposition, but surely the fact that the mother was using throughout the whole gestation period, tends me to sway in the direction that, the child would spend the rest of there life looking for something that they could only find from opiates. Even though they kept suffering and continuing to be self destructive, only cements my argument that the child had a bum start!!!
One other point I would like to add. A lot of mothers are administered, opiates, at the birth, to help with the pain. Morphine Epidurals and Pethidine and sometimes one or two 10-15mg doses of Methadone. Surely because the child is still connected to the mother by the umbilical cord they must get, opiates into their systemic system. Not I grant you getting them addicted to the drugs, but introducing them to the drug before they have the state of mind to make a calculated mature decision whether or not to take the opiates or not.
Feedback greatly appreciated.
Strength, Power and Honour!
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From: “grasshopper” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 9:29:08 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Arrrr  there’s a KLOWN a wanting to get in on this acshun, but alas, he be dead..so sad!
—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences

Carl used to post here a lot but I haven’t seen anything from him since
around 2002 and most of that was either interesting messages or arguing
with Nick 😉

The rest of what you’re writing means what? Peeps argue here, they
always have, always will. Alot of the peeps who do most of the arguing
are the providers 😉 If you are concerned about the image ibogaine has
in the outside world, you may want to consider what effect someone who
is a music teacher or student or whatever you are, dosing addicts with
psychedelics may have. Probably doesn’t help much either 😉

Pot, meet kettle 🙂

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sara wrote:

>>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
>>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
> he
>>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
>>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
>>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
>>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is?  The comments
about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible enough to
‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
look bad.  In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.

This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
Ibogaine.  That, and that alone, is my point.

I rest my case.

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 8:47:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians^_^

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:55:05 -0800 (PST)

Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
When peeps disagree or get angry, the answer for the 5 years I’ve been
reading this anyway is always to go off and start their own thing which
is filled with their own opinions.— Andrea Plementos  wrote:

like Churchs did after disagreeing with the Popes?

Carol Ann

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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 18, 2006 at 8:19:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey vector,
who the hell wants to read your drivel.
It has nothing constructive to give the Forum so all I can suggest to you, is, if you want to prittle prattle your way through life with gouts of useless information, I suggest you set up your own web site. Just so all the people like you can get together and talk drivel all at the same time. Leaving the real world of people fighting for their lives and self dignity, to the people who are seeking a way out of a hellish situation.
So if you do not have anything that can be strune as knowledge, that people struggling for their lives can use SOD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul.

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:20:57 -0800 (PST)

This is a rumor that’s been going around for years, but the ‘rumor’
turned into Harvard ‘psychedelic researcher’ Dr. John Halpern being
outed as a DEA snitch at Albert Hofmann’s birthday party.

There are a lot of msgs on this topic on different forums, which
somehow get lost or deleted 😉 but they live on in google’s cache 😉

The gist of the story is that a lot of psychedelic research being done,
appears to be based on deals that snitch’s cut with the DEA, not merit
and MAPS policy of being ‘open and transparent’ really means they lie
whenever it suits them.

Another day in the war on drugs.

High Times article

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/events/content.php?bid=410&aid=5

Cache of deleted msgs by more ‘honest and open’ members of the
psychedelics community.  What a joke.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:3lj6Ie1AcLsJ:mail.psychedelic-library.org/show.cfm%3Fpostid%3D9724%26r

Entering the same into any blog search engine shows the pile getting
higher, google also has alot of material in their cache which like the
above link has since been ‘deleted’ 😉

Alot of this is making people question just what is true, where do the
lies end and is any so-called psychedelic research being done really
going anywhere or is it just approved when investigators cooperate with
the government and get their ‘friends’ arrested so they can have
immunity and ego trip with their name on another paper when they know
it’s not going anywhere, leaving other peeps to serve life in prison
instead of them.

Video of the event, with Rick Doblin making it obvious he knew about it
all along and John Halpern not denying anything and instead whining ‘do
you want the research or not?’ is up on the edonkey network right now,
search for tags: halpern maps dea snitch hofmann birthday

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 7:55:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

When peeps disagree or get angry, the answer for the 5 years I’ve been
reading this anyway is always to go off and start their own thing which
is filled with their own opinions.— Andrea Plementos wrote:

like Churchs did after disagreeing with the Popes?

Carol Ann
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From: “Paul Brookshaw” <jiggy9@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 18, 2006 at 7:33:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yes for sure, I agree wholeheartedly. ” What the hell are you doing here if you can’t see that Ibogaine is not addictive. I got to say it. You Pratt. It is not the kind of substance you would want to keep taking for pleasure, it is a tool, that allows people to discover who they are after many years of locking away their spirits and their psyci
If you really knew about the hell of trying to beat hard drugs. You wouldn’t of opened your mouth without putting your brain in gear first.
Pray tell us all, what kind of hard drug addiction have you experienced, first hand, to come up with an ignorant piece of driveling garbage.
You didn’t even take into account your email addy DERRRRRRRRRRRR  THINK!!! HU  HU  UGGG!!!
I’d like to do a French Connection on you. And then leave you out to hang and dry.
Then you can tell us that we are just exchanging one addiction for another. What a load of BOLLOCKS.
Since when did ethnogenic substances have a physical or psychological addictive property.
If you knew anything at all you would know that, substances like Ibogaine ie ethnogenic, mushrooms, cacti, Dat, and many other such substances do not last more than roughly 56 hours.
Then no matter how much of the substance you take you won’t get off.
So hence no addiction of the physical kind, and no compulsion trigger by people using in front of you.
I am only going on my limited experience of 23 years using Heroin and Methadone and all kinds of synthetic opiates to try and keep myself together, plus over the years mass amounts of Benzos. I have hit the wall, ( meaning I have stopped and stuck my head into the eye of the wind of a hurricane) thirty times. This is my thirty first go at hitting the wall. You seem to be extremely misguided in your understanding of people and how they deal with there addiction to hard drugs.
As far as I knew and the last time I looked THC is not a physically addictive substance. Unlike Nicotine. Perhaps someone didn’t think of using an physically addictive drug on the rats. Then the results of the experiment would have been of some value, but to use THC to stimulate the rats pleasure senses was pointless. Because of the family nature of the rat, he would of got his psychological strokes from being given different things to play with. Just because the rat likes to self medicate, doesnt mean that everyone that is addicted to hard drugs loves what they have to do every day to stay straight. So if Ibogaine and other substances have a known profound effect on rewiring the brain and resetting the synapses, and of great beneficial help to the physically addicted person. Then why not explore the possibility that, to swap from Heroin and Methadone, to maybe taking Ibogaine two or three times in the rest of your life, surely you flippant Pratt, is better than fixing every day just to live. I can tell you for a fact being alive is not living your life. I and many many people like me would love dearly to be able to just give up and never ever have the want or feeling of want for a hard drug ever again in our lives. You must be extremely naive to think that someone on Methadone is using Ibogaine for fun. You are seriously misguided. Get your head out of the sand and stop being such an Ostridge. I bet one hundred percent, that if you are poorly , you go to the doctor. He talk-es with you and plaisates you and gives you a script. You go away and get better. You don’t question the prescription, cos the doctor told you that it would work. You my friend have just been played. Conned!!! And don’t tell me that you don’t take a pill if you have got a head ache or a pill if you do not want children. So my friend you are as bad as the people you seem to be sneering at.
If you do not have anything constructive to add to this site and help people with there plights. THEN SOD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW
I pray you got the message. You are seriously one -ucking idiot.
Comprende padre Nes-pas
Plus a big fart lololol

From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:54:16 -0500

I wondered the same thing!!!
ann
Think@francomm.com

ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

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and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 6:11:14 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The person I referred to originally as Karl is Carl Waltenburg
(best wishes to him wherever he is).

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:42:02 -0800 Vector Vector
<vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Karl Naeher isn’t the same person as Carl Waltenburg. Even if they

were
the same person, what’s on Brian Mariano’s web site is all about
the
opinions of Brian Mariano and doesn’t necessarily represent the
‘ibogaine community’ for better or worse the ‘big 4’ are Howard,
Patrick, Nick and Dana, which are the only ibo sites that really
have
any traffic and always on the front page of google. I’m not
counting
Mash’s sites because Patrick runs all of them anyway.

When peeps disagree or get angry, the answer for the 5 years I’ve
been
reading this anyway is always to go off and start their own thing
which
is filled with their own opinions. After 6 months or a year they
notice
that nobody else really cares and nobody is taking part in their
new
reality with themselves elected as overseer and their ‘ibogaine
the way
it should be!’ appears somewhere on page 29 on a web search and
has 3
people reading it. Oh wait, you already tried that. Here’s your
smiley
😉

.:vector:.

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Sara,

< there is no ibo community,if there is where is it then?
What, then, is this list?  If there is no ibo community, why
bother
attending the ibo conference?  As a treatment provider,  aren’t
you
an integral part of the ibogaine community?

< Carl is not a
treatment provider,is not on this list.

Strange, this site says Karl is an experienced ibo provider.
http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/aboutbm.php
And as far as him not being on this list- considering the manner

in
which you and others speak about him, are you surprised?

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 5:42:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Karl Naeher isn’t the same person as Carl Waltenburg. Even if they were
the same person, what’s on Brian Mariano’s web site is all about the
opinions of Brian Mariano and doesn’t necessarily represent the
‘ibogaine community’ for better or worse the ‘big 4’ are Howard,
Patrick, Nick and Dana, which are the only ibo sites that really have
any traffic and always on the front page of google. I’m not counting
Mash’s sites because Patrick runs all of them anyway.

When peeps disagree or get angry, the answer for the 5 years I’ve been
reading this anyway is always to go off and start their own thing which
is filled with their own opinions. After 6 months or a year they notice
that nobody else really cares and nobody is taking part in their new
reality with themselves elected as overseer and their ‘ibogaine the way
it should be!’ appears somewhere on page 29 on a web search and has 3
people reading it. Oh wait, you already tried that. Here’s your smiley
😉

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sara,

< there is no ibo community,if there is where is it then?
What, then, is this list?  If there is no ibo community, why bother
attending the ibo conference?  As a treatment provider,  aren’t you
an integral part of the ibogaine community?

< Carl is not a
treatment provider,is not on this list.

Strange, this site says Karl is an experienced ibo provider.
http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/aboutbm.php
And as far as him not being on this list- considering the manner in
which you and others speak about him, are you surprised?

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 4:40:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow, another scintillating message from a man who has been anonymously posting acidic, condescending comments followed by smirking smiley faces for quite some time now.   Thank you for YOUR valuable contribution, Vector Vector620022002.

Keep up the good work, VectorVector620022002m and best of luck with whatever it is you do.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 4:16:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Andrea! Using your own logic from your previous message, you’re
speaking to a list with 5,000+ people reading it, so yes you were
speaking to me, if you meant to annoy Sara you could have written her
private email, which you did not.

Sadly I am obviously out of touch with what you do and only know
anything about it from what you’ve posted on this list. I do remember
Ms. Iboga who I think got at least her second or third treatment from
you and did well after that.

Thanks for the advice, I’ll be sure to keep it in mind, when did
MindVox make you a moderator? I must have missed that. Thanks also for
your contributions to both the list and ibogaine itself, other than Ms.
Iboga I can’t think of one… Other then harassing Sara who is one of
the coolest people on this list and a long time ibogaine treatment
provider.

Take care too!

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Vector,

I don’t believe I was speaking to you, but thanks for chiming in.  I
don’t provide treatments anymore, but as someone who is quite
attentive to what I do and who I am, you should probably know that
already, right?

I have no issues with you.  Take care of yourself, and keep the
dialogue flowing.

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 4:05:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara,

< there is no ibo community,if there is where is it then?
What, then, is this list?  If there is no ibo community, why bother attending the ibo conference?  As a treatment provider,  aren’t you an integral part of the ibogaine community?

< Carl is not a
treatment provider,is not on this list.

Strange, this site says Karl is an experienced ibo provider.  http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/aboutbm.php
And as far as him not being on this list- considering the manner in which you and others speak about him, are you surprised?

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 3:32:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Vector,

I don’t believe I was speaking to you, but thanks for chiming in.  I don’t provide treatments anymore, but as someone who is quite attentive to what I do and who I am, you should probably know that already, right?

I have no issues with you.  Take care of yourself, and keep the dialogue flowing.

Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Carl used to post here a lot but I haven’t seen anything from him since
around 2002 and most of that was either interesting messages or arguing
with Nick 😉

The rest of what you’re writing means what? Peeps argue here, they
always have, always will. Alot of the peeps who do most of the arguing
are the providers 😉 If you are concerned about the image ibogaine has
in the outside world, you may want to consider what effect someone who
is a music teacher or student or whatever you are, dosing addicts with
psychedelics may have. Probably doesn’t help much either 😉

Pot, meet kettle 🙂

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos wrote:

> Sara wrote:
>
>
> >>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
> >>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
> > he
> >>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
> >>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
> >>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
> >>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.
>
> If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is? The comments
> about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible enough to
> ‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
> look bad. In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
> divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.
>
> This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
> Ibogaine. That, and that alone, is my point.
>
> I rest my case.
>
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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 2:43:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carl used to post here a lot but I haven’t seen anything from him since
around 2002 and most of that was either interesting messages or arguing
with Nick 😉

The rest of what you’re writing means what? Peeps argue here, they
always have, always will. Alot of the peeps who do most of the arguing
are the providers 😉 If you are concerned about the image ibogaine has
in the outside world, you may want to consider what effect someone who
is a music teacher or student or whatever you are, dosing addicts with
psychedelics may have. Probably doesn’t help much either 😉

Pot, meet kettle 🙂

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sara wrote:

That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is?  The comments
about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible enough to
‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
look bad.  In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.

This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
Ibogaine.  That, and that alone, is my point.

I rest my case.

I only wrote that because there are many stories around, and because I
had to clean his bucket;) so if he could clean one it should be his own
first.
there is no ibo community,if there is where is it then? there are
hunderds of people who used it by now and there are few thousend who where
using what is Indra is selling and where are those people then?
and I wrote Most of the time and not All the time.
that’s because that the way he presented himself in the conference in London
few years back,doesn’t that make a person look bad?
that is no news.
and I have been asked so I was trying to get things clear. Carl is not a
treatment provider,is not on this list.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 1:56:17 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carl used to post here a lot but I haven’t seen anything from him since
around 2002 and most of that was either interesting messages or arguing
with Nick 😉

The rest of what you’re writing means what? Peeps argue here, they
always have, always will. Alot of the peeps who do most of the arguing
are the providers 😉 If you are concerned about the image ibogaine has
in the outside world, you may want to consider what effect someone who
is a music teacher or student or whatever you are, dosing addicts with
psychedelics may have. Probably doesn’t help much either 😉

Pot, meet kettle 🙂

.:vector:.

— Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sara wrote:

That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is?  The comments
about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible enough to
‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
look bad.  In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.

This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
Ibogaine.  That, and that alone, is my point.

I rest my case.

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 1:23:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara wrote:

>>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
>>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
> he
>>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
>>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
>>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
>>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

If that isn’t a ‘personal’ attack then what is? The comments
about him being ‘drunk the whole time’ or not responsible
enough to
‘clean a vomit bucket’ not only makes him look bad, it makes you
look bad. In fact, it makes ALL of the ibo community look like
divisive, internally-squabbling crack pots.

This type of cattiness is not going to further the cause of
Ibogaine. That, and that alone, is my point.

I rest my case.

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 10:50:17 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carl himself put his personal life on this list years ago, and the story
of the extract.
so if you find him reliable that mean that the extract is made in Denmark,
at the Gov. lab. that is totally
fine with me I stick to that info. but I don’t think that what I have is
from that lab.
and that is nothing to do with Carl personal life but with finding if the
extract I’m using is the same as what Indra has, or as I say it isn’t the
same.

I haven’t been attacking any other provider,or Have I? Carl may have made
more then one extract in different places, that is most possible and I
don’t know.

Sara

I’m sorry, but discussing someone’s personal life on a huge mailing list,
especially when they are not here to defend themselvess, is very rude and
highly unprofessional.  Quite frankly, I am surprised to see providers
ripping on each other, especially in a public forum.  Isn’t this the same
type of behaviour that garnered Mash some criticism?  Shouldn’t we be
trying to support one another?

I have dealt with Karl in the past, and found him to be very friendly
and reliable.  I do not know anything about his personal life, and even
if I did, I would not be broadcasting it to a group of 5000+ people.
This is the kind of behaviour that keeps Ibogaine from being taken
seriously by a larger group of people.

Sara wrote:
That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.


I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: Andrea Plementos <aplementos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 9:46:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sorry, but discussing someone’s personal life on a huge mailing list, especially when they are not here to defend themselvess, is very rude and highly unprofessional.  Quite frankly, I am surprised to see providers ripping on each other, especially in a public forum.  Isn’t this the same type of behaviour that garnered Mash some criticism?  Shouldn’t we be trying to support one another?

I have dealt with Karl in the past, and found him to be very friendly and reliable.  I do not know anything about his personal life, and even if I did, I would not be broadcasting it to a group of 5000+ people.  This is the kind of behaviour that keeps Ibogaine from being taken seriously by a larger group of people.

Sara wrote:
>That Extract I’m using was NOT made by Carl,
>if you ever have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
>couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
>cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
>most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
>INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.

>…
>I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
>and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: Crooked Eye <iboganaut420@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 5:26:20 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.tacethno.com/info/tabernanthe/ibogaextr.txt or http://ethnobotany.yage.net/ibogex.html or for crude extract http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/extract.htm

BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/17/06 11:11:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, slowone@hush.ai writes:

for example not using water

Why would you use water to make an extract? You all have piqued my intreast in this whole process. I’ve made a few extracts of other things and have worked with chemicals a lot in a job that I had. I would think that leaching anything in water would just gum up the works and take too long. I respect you and Sara very much and this thread has gotten me to thinking. Not that I could ever get any root bark or anything but………………just in case. Can anyone steer me towards any info on the process?      Love and pure grain    Randy

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 4:40:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara wrote:
That Extract  I’m using was  NOT made by Carl,
if you ever  have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.


I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I don’t know. it is a long story and I don’t know if it is true,

Sara

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 3:46:27 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/18/06 3:22:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

Randy, I have no idea about the process of extraction, so I can’t give you
info.

Thanx anyway Sara, I’ll keep looking around and see what I can find. I’m just curious. I have some ideas but I don’t know for sure if it would work.          Randy

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 3:22:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/17/06 11:11:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
slowone@hush.ai
writes:

for example not using water

Why would you use water to make an extract? You all have piqued my
intreast
in this whole process. I’ve made a few extracts of other things and have
worked
with chemicals a lot in a job that I had. I would think that leaching
anything in water would just gum up the works and take too long. I respect
you and
Sara very much and this thread has gotten me to thinking. Not that I could
ever
get any root bark or anything but………………just in case. Can
anyone
steer me towards any info on the process?      Love and pure grain
Randy

Randy, I have no idea about the process of extraction, so I can’t give you
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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 3:04:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 2/17/06 11:11:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, slowone@hush.ai writes:

for example not using water

Why would you use water to make an extract? You all have piqued my intreast in this whole process. I’ve made a few extracts of other things and have worked with chemicals a lot in a job that I had. I would think that leaching anything in water would just gum up the works and take too long. I respect you and Sara very much and this thread has gotten me to thinking. Not that I could ever get any root bark or anything but………………just in case. Can anyone steer me towards any info on the process?      Love and pure grain    Randy

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 18, 2006 at 2:29:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara wrote:
That Extract  I’m using was  NOT made by Carl,
if you ever  have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.


I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

You don’t need to feel sorry for him anymore, He doesn’t drink since 2002.

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 17, 2006 at 11:04:02 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara wrote:
That Extract  I’m using was  NOT made by Carl,
if you ever  have met him you would know, he could not have made,
he
couldn’t take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone
cleaning a vomit bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how
most people know him, and that’s why he couldn’t take care of
INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.

I met Carl a couple of times in London several years ago, and it
was not apparent that he was an alcoholic, although having heard
about this since then, it is conceivable that this was the case.
At that point he was still happy with the relationship with Indra.
He told me of a relatively recent extract he had made of another
psychedelic plant, and I had no reason to doubt his story, and
this plus his description of having refined the ibogaine extraction
process (for example not using water) for what we call indra
made it credible that he himself had made the extract many years
before. There is certainly reason to doubt these impressions,
having heard about his alcoholism on the net over the years, and
remembering his last posts about the need to keep the special
extraction method he used a secret.


I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it
and where,

Can you tell us? And is the extract you use the same as what
indra.dk
is selling?

I’m sorry to hear about Carl..

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From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: February 17, 2006 at 8:31:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was’nt implying anything of what you use. Simply I was refering to the cloudiness around the whole subject of extract and ‘indra’ etc.

I know very well of Carls problems, at least of when I last saw him, now many years ago and that people had no time for him. I actually thought it was very very sad and I have to say no one really knew how to deal with him. But thats another story.

I would like to think he has looked to sorting himself out, but thats as much as I do think on it.

Ed.

From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective experiences
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:32:18 +0100 (CET)

>That Extract  I’m using was  NOT made by Carl,
if you ever  have met him you would know, he could not have made, he couldn’t
take resposibilty for washing a cup of tea, let alone cleaning a vomit
bucket.He was Drunk most of the time that’s how most people know him, and
that’s why he couldn’t take care of INDRA who has stollen “his extract”.
he stayed here as a sick man to get well but took credits for things he
never have or could have done.and I had a reason not to turn against him
at that time.
I have found out were that extract is from and who have made it and where,
and why Carl went underground and doesn’t show his face or writes anything
on the internet.
he used to come here but since over one year I haven’t seen him, he phoned
once or twice but is not welcome here anymore.

Sara

The extract that Karl made has become known as Indra, after the
> website that has been selling it. Karl was claiming that the people
> running the site had broken their agreement and weren’t giving him
> his share of the money. He also stayed with and taught Sara and
> supplied her with his extract, which I understand she prefers for
> treating people withdrawing from methadone. Karl has said that the
> extraction was made without water, claiming that this reduces
> unwanted physical side effects. I can vouch that it seemed somewhat
> milder on the stomach than an extract that I made using water (with
> alcohol and lime juice), although even pure ibogaine (HCl) is still
> rather hard on the stomach.
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:39:26 -0800 edward conn
> <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>The Indra extract as I remember it being made available on the
>>market was
>>what Karl W. extracted some two decades ago in a Denmark govt.
>>lab. He
>>stored it as they had found no use for it, where he having an
>>interrest
>>rather than throw it away kept it, many many kilos of it. This
>>became the
>>indra extract.
>>
>>Karl had made available to many people this extract across europe
>>for many
>>years, and as a result turned on many people to it. The quality of
>
>>it was
>>called into question by many people due to its time in storage and
>
>>I would
>>say also as a result of peoples interpretation of Karls character
>>as  an
>>indictment of the extract. It was tested and show to have a
>>variance od
>>ibogaine content aroungd the 10-15% mark.
>>
>>This story is told as it was told to me by Karl.
>>
>>That as I know it is the Indra extract. And I imagine Sara that
>>you know
>>this, as I recall he used to sit in my house (as I was putting him
>
>>up) and
>>speak to you on the phone late at night. It only dawned on me some
>
>>time ago
>>as to what the connection was.
>>
>>
>>As to the quality of it … many people have used it and forund it
>
>>to be
>>usefull and to work. However as to the nature and length of time
>>in
>>existence and as I said before, the colourfulness of Karl’s
>>character a few
>>pwople have taken a dislike, or made judgements about … and in
>>some cases
>>those have definitely been upon no experience of it.
>>
>>
>>Edward.
>>
>>
>>>From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
>>>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Indra, HCl, Clean vs. “Dirty” subjective
>>>experiences
>>>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:04:28 +0100 (CET)
>>>
>>> > Can I ask why Patrick puts “Indra” in quotes, is the extract
>>called
>>> > Indra, or is it not, or are there a lot of different extracts?
>
>>Could
>>> > you please explain? Thanks Sara and hi Preston!
>>> >
>>> > KV
>>> >
>>>
>>>there is an Internet shop name Indra and they sell an extract, I
>>don’t
>>>know what is the quality
>>>of thier product I didn’t buy it from them.
>>>
>>>Sara
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 2/7/06, Sara Glatt <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.
Date: February 16, 2006 at 9:41:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You Passed!

But we are going to have to take away points for punctuation, turning
your A+ into an A. Please click the ‘re-write document’ button in Word
and take the paper clip’s advice next time.

Thanks for playing!

.:vector:.

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Test.
Date: February 16, 2006 at 8:52:53 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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Howzat???????
(that’s my Imput you wally~~~)
Hehehe
OMFG Monday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Pass me the valium fer fek’s sake!!!!
Lol
Gibbergibberrrrrrrrr
Alba- Koiky xxxxxxx
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2006 12:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.

Hey Randy,

Yeah,..I know what you mean,..either the list has gone quite or the emails ar not getting through.

Oi,..Kirsty,..capt’ we need your imput girl,..see you Monday.

love ya Randy. Jasen
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:41 AM
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.
Date: February 16, 2006 at 6:40:48 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Randy,

Yeah,..I know what you mean,..either the list has gone quite or the emails ar not getting through.

Oi,..Kirsty,..capt’ we need your imput girl,..see you Monday.

love ya Randy. Jasen
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Test.
Date: February 16, 2006 at 3:41:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Kevin Brady” <gomorrhan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addicti
Date: February 15, 2006 at 3:36:18 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Perhaps he’s here to teach us all the error of our ways?

Some people look at things in a very black/white manner, and are unable to differentiate.  To my knowledge, Ibogaine is non-addictive, as are all psychedelics.  In fact, like most psychedelics, the more of it you take, the more you realize you’ve had enough (when you’ve actually had enough).

My experience with other psychedelics has been that after I learned “what the drug had to teach me” usually after 8-10 “trips”, sometimes less, it became strictly a game of either enjoying or tolerating the experience, for me.  Up until that point, I felt (and still feel, many years later) that the experiences were invaluable learning experiences.  With LSD, I felt I learned a lot about “relative value” of perceptual experiences, and that I couldn’t simply trust my emotional responses or my undocumented perceptions.  I can’t say everyone gets the same experiences as I did, but after a number of such “trips”, I ceased getting anything out of it other than losing control of my perceptions.  Fun or nightmarish, but not a learning experience any further, and too grueling and time-consuming to do recreationally.  I began to wonder more and more why I bothered, and eventually stopped.  With mushrooms, I never hit that point, but I never did a lot of them, they were always even more physically grueling for me (“toxic”), causing pain and sickness:  the psychedelic experience was gentler, and less informative than LSD, for me.  I’ve never done DMT or ibogaine, but I understand they are significantly stronger in terms of information content and sensory shifts.

Anyone who equates addiction to drugs to use of psychedelics is probably completely clueless about them, imo.

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
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From: “Ann B. Mullikin” <think@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 12:54:16 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wondered the same thing!!!
ann
Think@francomm.com

ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 12:24:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, my bad. Sorry Bill =)

Preston Peet wrote:
He’s not on the ib list jon, he’s on the drugwar list so far as i know, although i could be mistaken.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:

Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 12:19:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

He’s not on the ib list jon, he’s on the drugwar list so far as i know, although i could be mistaken.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 12:18:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, but I must stress that I am right there with you on the Food idea helping balance us out, having recently rediscovered eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —–
From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run
To: drugwar@mindvox.com ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 11:49:29 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

errr… i mean, to treat drug addiction WITH a drug…

jon wrote:
ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?
Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill

*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 11:43:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ummm…. i don’t mean to sound flippant, but if you think it’s absurd to treat drug addiction in a drug, what are you doing on an ibogaine mailing list?

Run Drugs Out of Town Run wrote:
Preston,
This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.
What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).
Bill
*/Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>/* wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the
brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and
personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights?
This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston
http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway
in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.
Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s
ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to
block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area
stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his
team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to
laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt
as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their
drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said
Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in
the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would
spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding
that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in
humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [DrugWar] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 15, 2006 at 6:39:23 AM EST
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,

This is another case of medical arrogance.  It is absurd to treat a drug addiction with a drug.  While it may reduce cravings it does nothing for behaviors and in effect simply changes the drug of choice in the addiction.

What makes it even more absurd is that the Brain Reward Cascade found in the ventral tegmental area can be corrected with amino acid supplementation (food).

Bill

Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with
their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality
get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort
of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the
brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works
regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral
tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a
signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated
by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team
gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory
rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a
control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug
they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van
Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white
box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal
time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that
may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
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Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Date: February 14, 2006 at 4:52:21 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and what else I ask are these mad scientists turning off in the brain with their chemicals and pharmaceuticals? What sort of creativity and personality get “blocked” along with the drug cravings and abusive traights? This sort of thing is utterly insane to my way to looking at the world. Egad.
Peace and love,
Preston

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/02/13/addiction-block060213.html
Sask. scientists test way to reduce lure of addictive drugs
Last Updated Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:33:23 EST
CBC News
Researchers in Saskatchewan have discovered a way to block a pathway in the brain’s pleasure receptors that are involved in drug addiction.
The team hopes the findings will lead to a universal therapy that works regardless of what drug an addict abuses.

Many drugs of abuse exert their rewarding effects on the brain’s ventral tegmental area.
So far, Canadian scientists have found a peptide that appears to block a signalling pathway in the brain’s ventral tegmental area, an area stimulated by drug abuse.
Psychiatry Prof. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan and his team gave nicotine and THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, to laboratory rats.
The lab animals were then treated with the blocking peptide or salt as a control, and a behavioural test was set up for the rats.
“So the idea is, if they were seeking the rewarding effects of their drug they were trained that they got the drugs in the white box,” said Jamie Van Cleemput, a graduate student and co-author of the study.
“If they were seeking a rewarding effect, they would spend time in the white box. But if they weren’t seeking the rewarding effect they would spend equal time in each box.”
The results suggest the peptide reduces the lure of drugs, a finding that may eventually lead to a new strategy for treating drug addiction in humans.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 2:32:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

right there with you Jon on this one for sure. I don’t have an opinion one way or the other about Halpern, not having done ANY reading on the subject or the man at all whatsoever, BUTT and it’s a great big butt, I do agree wholeheartedly that some of us CAN and often ARE members of both clubs.

Peace and love,
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—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.

Hey, just for the record, some of us belong to BOTH the self brainwashed and deluded psychedelics crowd AND the honest and understanding hard drug user crowd.

=P

Kevin Brady wrote:
Who is this self-deluded and self-brainwashed psychedelics crowd you are referring to?

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB

From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:40:45 -0500

What about any of this isn’t completely obvious to everybody except to
the self brainwashed and deluded psychedelics crowd. This “rumor” has
been at every DPA conference for years, it’s been in google for years,
MAPS and Halpern are all about MAPS and Halpern. It’s no different
then any other group of “hard drug abusers” who turn on each other the
moment there’s trouble.

Maps has never done anything with ibogaine in the first place, except
put up a web page with no progress, that gets edited around and
changed, the last change that is now deleted was valerie whatever her
name is, quitting on November 15th and there being no more ibogaine
research. That’s gone now too.

The only difference between the junkies and crackheads and
psychedelics crowd, is that at least the hard drug users are more
honest or understand that nothing you put on the internet really
vanishes anyway, even if you do delete it off your web site 😉

Thanks for the laugh vec.

KV

On 2/12/06, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is a rumor that’s been going around for years, but the ‘rumor’
> turned into Harvard ‘psychedelic researcher’ Dr. John Halpern being
> outed as a DEA snitch at Albert Hofmann’s birthday party.
>
> There are a lot of msgs on this topic on different forums, which
> somehow get lost or deleted 😉 but they live on in google’s cache 😉
>
> The gist of the story is that a lot of psychedelic research being > done,
> appears to be based on deals that snitch’s cut with the DEA, not merit
> and MAPS policy of being ‘open and transparent’ really means they lie
> whenever it suits them.
>
> Another day in the war on drugs.
>
> High Times article
>
> http://www.hightimes.com/ht/events/content.php?bid=410&aid=5
>
> Cache of deleted msgs by more ‘honest and open’ members of the
> psychedelics community.  What a joke.
>
>
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:3lj6Ie1AcLsJ:mail.psychedelic-library.org/show.cfm%3Fpostid%3D9724%26r
>
> Entering the same into any blog search engine shows the pile getting
> higher, google also has alot of material in their cache which like the
> above link has since been ‘deleted’ 😉
>
> Alot of this is making people question just what is true, where do the
> lies end and is any so-called psychedelic research being done really
> going anywhere or is it just approved when investigators cooperate > with
> the government and get their ‘friends’ arrested so they can have
> immunity and ego trip with their name on another paper when they know
> it’s not going anywhere, leaving other peeps to serve life in prison
> instead of them.
>
> Video of the event, with Rick Doblin making it obvious he knew about > it
> all along and John Halpern not denying anything and instead whining > ‘do
> you want the research or not?’ is up on the edonkey network right now,
> search for tags: halpern maps dea snitch hofmann birthday
>
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 1:08:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

errr.  i mean i HAVEN’T had a chance to read everything…

jon wrote:
I dunno man… granted I have had a chance to read everything yet, but from what I have read, it doesn seem as cut and dry to me as “Halpern is a snitch”.
The federal government can be verrrry persuasive. I’m not saying Halpern didn’t do some bad shit, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that shows it was under his control.
Vector Vector wrote:
That’s not true. Halpern was Pickard of the Kansas missle silo bust’s
money laundering service, who profited from selling LSD and then
cooperated in exchange for immunity. ‘Cooperated’ meaning he set people
up, tape recorded conversations and acted in a way where the label
‘snitch’ informant or low life is appropriate.
Do your own search, it’s all online and stuck in google’s cache or
archive.org, despite peeps deleting the web pages.

The most disturbing thing is that alot of peeps have known this for
years and only a small minority ever spoke up, while towing the party
line of ‘the movement’ where the only interest looks to be
self-interest.

There is a truly embarassingly large collection of this material which
keeps growing and I don’t mean peeps ranting, I mean video tape, taped
conversations, scans of documents. Search edonkey or bt, despite
harassment and fear from peeps owning individual web sites, it’s not
going away, Halpern is a dirtbag, MAPS knowingly lied and covered it up
and Mark McCloud was only the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m
sure McCloud may have had his own self interest involved, an artist
whose entire career is based on LSD blotter art 😉 but he’s only the
straw that broke the camels back.

If I was Albert Hofmann I’d be sad and embarrassed at the collection of
ego tripping dirtbags at my 100th birthday. You’re not a noob Jon,
throw some phrases that match halpern, maps, dea, snitch, lsd, pickard,
Hofmann birthday into some search engines and see what comes up 😉
Ignore the rants and focus on the multimedia collection of evidence 😉

.:vector:.

— jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

Dr. Halpern was subpoenaed and, under subpoena, he gave testimony.

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 1:06:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I dunno man… granted I have had a chance to read everything yet, but from what I have read, it doesn seem as cut and dry to me as “Halpern is a snitch”.

The federal government can be verrrry persuasive. I’m not saying Halpern didn’t do some bad shit, I’m just saying I don’t see anything that shows it was under his control.

Vector Vector wrote:
That’s not true. Halpern was Pickard of the Kansas missle silo bust’s
money laundering service, who profited from selling LSD and then
cooperated in exchange for immunity. ‘Cooperated’ meaning he set people
up, tape recorded conversations and acted in a way where the label
‘snitch’ informant or low life is appropriate. Do your own search, it’s all online and stuck in google’s cache or
archive.org, despite peeps deleting the web pages.
The most disturbing thing is that alot of peeps have known this for
years and only a small minority ever spoke up, while towing the party
line of ‘the movement’ where the only interest looks to be
self-interest.
There is a truly embarassingly large collection of this material which
keeps growing and I don’t mean peeps ranting, I mean video tape, taped
conversations, scans of documents. Search edonkey or bt, despite
harassment and fear from peeps owning individual web sites, it’s not
going away, Halpern is a dirtbag, MAPS knowingly lied and covered it up
and Mark McCloud was only the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m
sure McCloud may have had his own self interest involved, an artist
whose entire career is based on LSD blotter art 😉 but he’s only the
straw that broke the camels back.
If I was Albert Hofmann I’d be sad and embarrassed at the collection of
ego tripping dirtbags at my 100th birthday. You’re not a noob Jon,
throw some phrases that match halpern, maps, dea, snitch, lsd, pickard,
Hofmann birthday into some search engines and see what comes up 😉
Ignore the rants and focus on the multimedia collection of evidence 😉
.:vector:.
— jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
Dr. Halpern was subpoenaed and, under subpoena, he gave testimony.
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 12:14:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That’s not true. Halpern was Pickard of the Kansas missle silo bust’s
money laundering service, who profited from selling LSD and then
cooperated in exchange for immunity. ‘Cooperated’ meaning he set people
up, tape recorded conversations and acted in a way where the label
‘snitch’ informant or low life is appropriate.

Do your own search, it’s all online and stuck in google’s cache or
archive.org, despite peeps deleting the web pages.

The most disturbing thing is that alot of peeps have known this for
years and only a small minority ever spoke up, while towing the party
line of ‘the movement’ where the only interest looks to be
self-interest.

There is a truly embarassingly large collection of this material which
keeps growing and I don’t mean peeps ranting, I mean video tape, taped
conversations, scans of documents. Search edonkey or bt, despite
harassment and fear from peeps owning individual web sites, it’s not
going away, Halpern is a dirtbag, MAPS knowingly lied and covered it up
and Mark McCloud was only the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m
sure McCloud may have had his own self interest involved, an artist
whose entire career is based on LSD blotter art 😉 but he’s only the
straw that broke the camels back.

If I was Albert Hofmann I’d be sad and embarrassed at the collection of
ego tripping dirtbags at my 100th birthday. You’re not a noob Jon,
throw some phrases that match halpern, maps, dea, snitch, lsd, pickard,
Hofmann birthday into some search engines and see what comes up 😉
Ignore the rants and focus on the multimedia collection of evidence 😉

.:vector:.

— jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

Dr. Halpern was subpoenaed and, under subpoena, he gave testimony.

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 11:16:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey, just for the record, some of us belong to BOTH the self brainwashed and deluded psychedelics crowd AND the honest and understanding hard drug user crowd.

=P

Kevin Brady wrote:
Who is this self-deluded and self-brainwashed psychedelics crowd you are referring to?
“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is not self-knowledge.” – KGB
From: Krista Vaughan <krista.vaughan@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:40:45 -0500

What about any of this isn’t completely obvious to everybody except to
the self brainwashed and deluded psychedelics crowd. This “rumor” has
been at every DPA conference for years, it’s been in google for years,
MAPS and Halpern are all about MAPS and Halpern. It’s no different
then any other group of “hard drug abusers” who turn on each other the
moment there’s trouble.

Maps has never done anything with ibogaine in the first place, except
put up a web page with no progress, that gets edited around and
changed, the last change that is now deleted was valerie whatever her
name is, quitting on November 15th and there being no more ibogaine
research. That’s gone now too.

The only difference between the junkies and crackheads and
psychedelics crowd, is that at least the hard drug users are more
honest or understand that nothing you put on the internet really
vanishes anyway, even if you do delete it off your web site 😉

Thanks for the laugh vec.

KV

On 2/12/06, Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is a rumor that’s been going around for years, but the ‘rumor’
> turned into Harvard ‘psychedelic researcher’ Dr. John Halpern being
> outed as a DEA snitch at Albert Hofmann’s birthday party.
>
> There are a lot of msgs on this topic on different forums, which
> somehow get lost or deleted 😉 but they live on in google’s cache 😉
>
> The gist of the story is that a lot of psychedelic research being done,
> appears to be based on deals that snitch’s cut with the DEA, not merit
> and MAPS policy of being ‘open and transparent’ really means they lie
> whenever it suits them.
>
> Another day in the war on drugs.
>
> High Times article
>
> http://www.hightimes.com/ht/events/content.php?bid=410&aid=5
>
> Cache of deleted msgs by more ‘honest and open’ members of the
> psychedelics community.  What a joke.
>
> http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:3lj6Ie1AcLsJ:mail.psychedelic-library.org/show.cfm%3Fpostid%3D9724%26r
>
> Entering the same into any blog search engine shows the pile getting
> higher, google also has alot of material in their cache which like the
> above link has since been ‘deleted’ 😉
>
> Alot of this is making people question just what is true, where do the
> lies end and is any so-called psychedelic research being done really
> going anywhere or is it just approved when investigators cooperate with
> the government and get their ‘friends’ arrested so they can have
> immunity and ego trip with their name on another paper when they know
> it’s not going anywhere, leaving other peeps to serve life in prison
> instead of them.
>
> Video of the event, with Rick Doblin making it obvious he knew about it
> all along and John Halpern not denying anything and instead whining ‘do
> you want the research or not?’ is up on the edonkey network right now,
> search for tags: halpern maps dea snitch hofmann birthday
>
> Also coming to BitTorrent, a tracker tracker that searches all the
> largest BT sites is here: http://torrentsearcher.filesharingplace.com/
>
> .:vector:.
>
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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Harvard MD John Halpern DEA snitch, MAPS coverups and lies.
Date: February 13, 2006 at 11:13:22 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Halpern was subpoenaed and, under subpoena, he gave testimony.

That’s not exactly the same as being as snitch. If you were an established researcher at one of the most prestigeous universities in the world, and the police came to you and said “talk or you’re going to prison”, I’d talk too. Dr. Halpern would have been throwing an awful lot away if he refused to cooperate.

Vector Vector wrote:
This is a rumor that’s been going around for years, but the ‘rumor’
turned into Harvard ‘psychedelic researcher’ Dr. John Halpern being
outed as a DEA snitch at Albert Hofmann’s birthday party. There are a lot of msgs on this topic on different forums, which
somehow get lost or deleted 😉 but they live on in google’s cache 😉
The gist of the story is that a lot of psychedelic research being done,
appears to be based on deals that snitch’s cut with the DEA, not merit
and MAPS policy of being ‘open and transparent’ really means they lie
whenever it suits them.
Another day in the war on drugs.
High Times article
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/events/content.php?bid=410&aid=5
Cache of deleted msgs by more ‘honest and open’ members of the
psychedelics community.  What a joke.
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:3lj6Ie1AcLsJ:mail.psychedelic-library.org/show.cfm%3Fpostid%3D9724%26r
Entering the same into any blog search engine shows the pile getting
higher, google also has alot of material in their cache which like the
above link has since been ‘deleted’ 😉
Alot of this is making people question just what is true, where do the
lies end and is any so-called psychedelic research being done really
going anywhere or is it just approved when investigators cooperate with
the government and get their ‘friends’ arrested so they can have
immunity and ego trip with their name on another paper when they know
it’s not going anywhere, leaving other peeps to serve life in prison
instead of them.
Video of the event, with Rick Doblin making it obvious he knew about it
all along and John Halpern not denying anything and instead whining ‘do
you want the research or not?’ is up on the edonkey network right now,
search for tags: halpern maps dea snitch hofmann birthday
Also coming to BitTorrent, a tracker tracker that searches all the
largest BT sites is here: http://torrentsearcher.filesharingplace.com/
.:vector:.
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From: tink <tinkerbell.sarah@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] haiku
Date: February 13, 2006 at 10:52:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

lolololololololol…..
tink

On 2/13/06, Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND GOING TO SEE TEAM AMERICA AND SIMPLY LAUGHING YOUR ASS
OFF.
CAN ALWAYS BE SERIOUS TOMORROW……….THERE’S STILL TIME.

—–Original Message—–
From: Kevin Brady [mailto:gomorrhan@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 6:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] haiku

I think we need not fear invasion of Iran.  It seems to logically follow
that Bush would attack them, but I don’t think that will happen.  We can
barely maintain our troop presence in Iraq.  If we attack anybody, it is
likely to be Syria, largely because they are small, they have no real money,

and we have been buliding the cover story that they are hiding the WMD’s we
gave to Saddam, and funneling terrorists into Iraq.  It is likely that we
will go the same route with Iran that we did with Iraq:  encircle them with
bases on their borders, use the UN to apply economic pressure until their
economy collapses, paint them as terror-collaborators, and then attack.
This takes many years to accomplish.  The question is whether or not the
neo-cons can stay in power through the next election cycle here, in the US.

I think they not only can, but will.  Democrats cannot seem to put forward
any real platform other than opposition to the republicans, which is flimsy
and weak, and doesn’t provide leadership.  If you want to stop the wars,
stop the neo-cons.  Help to create a proactive progressive party, rather
than the reactive bunch we have there, now.

“Free Will is limited by repressed intention. There is no knowledge that is
not self-knowledge.” – KGB

From: Dana Beal <dana@phantom.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] haiku
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:59:13 -0500

Alexander the Great

At Least
Had a Plan.

George Bush

Has No Plan
to Deal
With  Iran.

Go Ahead–

Invade.

Make My Day.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] hi all
Date: February 13, 2006 at 8:05:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston It is so good to see you made it back OK. I woke up this morning wondering if you got back before the snow hit. I’m jealous………no that ‘s not right, too negative…………aaahh ….I’m envious……..that ‘aint right either, whatever, I’m very glad you went. I’ll make it there one day. I can feel the power in you from Kentucky. Get down fuckin’ willy!!!! Give me a call when you slow down a little and have time to talk. I gotta hear about this.          Love and noribogaine        Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] hi all
Date: February 13, 2006 at 5:53:24 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

V met me with a great big smile.
;-))
Whew.
SO too did all the furballs too, all purring and happy, if just a wee bit confused to see the prodigal dad walk in.
And I was the ONLY ONE on the ENTIRE PLANE sent in to get searched by customs, and I STILL COULD have brought back anything I desired. HE did a majorly slack job searching my stuff, so as usual I was irritated that I didn’t make the attempt to bring some of the awesome smoke back with me.
Grrr.
But that’s cool, NYC has some awesome smoke floating about, even with all the snow everywhere- and the NYTimes says today is was record accumulation here. Glad the freakin’ plane landed. V didn’t think I was going to make it, and the video on the plane showing the voyage’s progress showed a red squiggly lines all over the place over Newark, because we wound up doing a major squiggle over the airport for nearly an hour before finally landing.
Again, thanks Sara, and to the rest here, I HIGHLY recommend a visit if you need it at Sara’s. Her technique is certainly a friendly and compassionate, humane one compared to any other I’ve ever seen.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] hi all

>Hi Preston,

Thanks for finding us more civilized here.I have seen NY weather news report,
I’m glad you made it home in that high snow,I hope you are warm with V.
and the kids.
be well and strong.
Sara

Hi there everyone,
I have to say that the Netherlands sure is a most civilized country in so
many ways the US is NOT.
Damn it.
And I saw the very first crop of Soma’s (of Soma Seeds) new strain, Hash
Heaven (but didn’t get to smoke any of that one) but did get to smoke a
lot
of Cinderela 99 and bubble hash and zero-zero and drank some incredibly
awesome shroom tea (not to mention the actual eboga I took the first day I
landed) that only had me tripping (completely OUT of my brains) for about
2
hours max, then I coasted on light-tripping-mode for the rest of the day,
some tea with 10 different kinds of shroom apparently, as well as cinnamon
and minst and other spices. It’s felt a lot like what I imagine DMT must
feel like- a HUGE rush, which had me crawling into bed and curling up in a
ball under the covers with just my eyeballs peeking out occasionally,
unable
to really even walk I was tripping so hard, but it was not only a very
fast
onset but a fast decrease in strength too. Different from any tea I’ve
ever
had but delicious.
Going to stay with Sara in Breukelen was one of the very best decisions
I’ve
yet made in my adult life. I am heavier, healthier, stronger, and one hell
of a lot more balanced and at ease feeling.
That’s all.
Other than that I am now home and still awake but on the wrong
tim